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Started by micjer, February 26, 2022, 04:30:31 PM

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micjer



Price of oil is going to sky rocket

Part of the plan?
The only people in the world, it seems, who believe in conspiracy theory, are those of us that have studied it.    Pat Shannon

astr0144

#61
Oil, Gold and even now Silver has made large gains in Price the last few weeks...

Precious metals are often something expected to be in demand in war situations.

Theres threat of rising food prices if war continues.

while the USA Stock market indexes (Dow Jones , S&P 500) has been declining since the top formed as a new all time ever high on around  Jan 5th 2022.

Based upon some Stock Time Cycles that I have been observing, so far the markets seem to be reasonably  copying them in a similar way.  IF this continues  or the last main created Pivot turns hold..it suggests...that :

I think there is a possibility of short term bottom in the stock market followed a 2 to 3 weeks sharp reversal rally occuring maybe by around March 14th/16th upto the end of March early April.
IF we see that occurr...

Then there could be a further severe decline for a couple of weeks into Mid April. and we may see another low in May.

IF it continues to follow in a similar way... the Markets may have a long term reversal for a large rally.

HOWEVER :I think or  I suspect if the markets INVERSE...such as we find a another High pivot between Mar 14th/17th.. the decline for the Stock market may decline to the end of the month / early April. then rerally back to either Mid April or May.. and then they may decline for some months, or maybe even  years.

Thats two possible scenerios that I think could happen.

For those who have certain knowledge how to trade the markets, there could be a great opportunity to greatly profit from it in the next few weeks. IF the Markets move in a similar way to what the past cycles did that I am observing.

Back in Feb 2020.... we saw a HUGE decline for one month into March and then the Markets had a HUGE rally
and did so from March 2020 to Jan 5th 2022.

They have been the best moves ever in the History of the Stock market.

Again if one knows what to do... ones fortunes can change very quickly.


ArMaP

Quote from: astr0144 on March 08, 2022, 07:40:32 PM
Theres threat of rising food prices if war continues.
Considering Russia is the world biggest exporter of wheat and Ukraine is the fifth, a relatively long war may affect food production globally.

astr0144

This may offer some further info in ref to the Ukraine / Russia situation.

Martin make some comments to suggest Russia could have used air strikes if they intended a quicker full  take over if that was Russia's aim,  where he believes that they could have took over the Country or won the war within a short period if that had been Putins main intention, which so far he claims that they have not used  air strikes.

But I had thought that I had seen something on TV news that had suggested that Ukraine had been using air strikes against Russian forces.

So , it still seems a bit uncertain as to what maybe really going on !

Comment from Inside Ukraine & Lack of Peacemakers.

QuoteDear Martin,
In addition to the 4 demands listed in your blog "Putin offers peace..." there is a fifth; Ukraine must repeal its "Ukrainian only" law and accept Russian as an equal official language. About 50% of all of Ukraine's population has Russian as their mother tongue. Most of them are ethnic Russians or of mixed Russian and Ukrainian origin. The Ukrainians would probably continue to create an apartheid state if any agreement with them doesn't give the Russian-speaking citizens iron-clad guarantees ensuring equal social, cultural, linguistic, and political rights with the ethnic Ukrainians.
Yours Sincerely,
BH, MSc

REPLY: Zelensky is by no means a hero. People really need to understand the history of Ukraine which is really a modern nation-state. Nevertheless, Zelensky's language law is indeed intended to create discord rather than unite the people much like the BLM movement to separate and divide which the West also carried out between the vaxed & unvaxed.

Despite all the hatred hurled at Putin, he is NOT trying to flatten Ukraine nor is he trying to conquer the nation-state. His airforce could flatten Ukraine and probably win the war in a matter of days. Even the Economist has noticed the absence of the Russian airforce. When Putin stated he wanted to defeat the Nazis of Ukraine, most people never heard of them but they were part of the German Nazis but were never prosecuted only because the West used them against Russia.

The Ukrainian Nazis followed the philosophy of ethnic cleansing of Stepan Bandera  (1909-1959) a leader in the OUN nationalist Ukrainian movement where they exterminated Poles, Jews, and Russians. The Nazi Ukrainians executed up to 200,000 Jews but were exempted from prosecution.

Documents have surfaced that were previously classified that showed that the CIA protected the Ukrainian Nazis. By the British MI6 was the main agency using the Nazis despite the warning of the CIA.


There is another side to Ukraine that is not being told. From many real sources, all I hear is the image of Zelensky as a puppet is amazingly noticed by people with experience. Zelensky has put the people of Ukraine at risk for what he has been moving to tear up the Minsk Agreement. The press is raising him as a hero fighting the evil bear of Russia without any investigation whatsoever. Most of what is coming out from Zelensky's side is propaganda. Putin is not flattening Ukraine as the West did in Iraq. His actions clearly do not display an intent to conquer and occupy Ukraine. The power grid is still up as is the water supply. Putin has not moved to take those down.

Russia is in firm control of the East which was the stated objective from the outset. Russia will most likely take the city of Odessa now because of the sanctions. Odessa supplies the world with Neo Gas needed for computer chip production. Because this city in southern Ukraine is considered the capital of a crucial element for manufacturing these computer chips, purified neon gas is critical and Russia can disrupt the technology of the West by taking Odessa.

There is much more to the story than the press is reporting for they only are putting out propaganda. I have Ukrainian friends from both sides – Kyiv and Donestk. Throughout my life, since I have lived in Europe as well as Asia, I have had both Russian and Ukrainian friends and we still keep in contact by email and text. I have understood the deep feelings on both sides. With the collapse of the Soviet Union, in July 1990 a declaration of sovereignty was passed by the Ukrainian parliament, and in August 1991 Ukraine was declared to be at last an independent nation-state. Leonid Kravchuk became the first president of Ukraine in December 1991. So when Putin says that the USSR created Ukraine, he does know his history.

Following the Minsk Agreement in 2015, Merkel thanked the other participants of the negotiations – French President Francois Hollande and Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko. She said Poroshenko "did his utmost to stop the bloodshed," in his country.

"Finally, even President Putin exerted pressure on the separatists, so that they would agree that as of midnight on Saturday night or Sunday morning, there is a ceasefire," Merkel said, commenting on the results of the talks.

We should not be Cheering war like this is a sports or video game. If Russia was really near its downfall, then there is no risk in pushing the button. We desperately need a peacemaker. Biden still runs home to Delaware in the middle of a crisis. Harris is probably even worse than Biden. There is absolutely nobody in the West even willing to talk. All they do is spew hatred. This clearly suggests that they WANT war – not peace. I am asked China to try to step in here and adopt the role of the peacemaker. There is no such person in the West and without one, full-blown war is rapidly approaching. Even the Bible talked about the peacemaker of where there are none today.
Matthew 5:9 "Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God.



A List of measures to fulfill the Minsk Agreement

February 12, 2015

1. An immediate and comprehensive ceasefire in individual areas of the Donetsk and Luhansk regions of Ukraine and its strict implementation starting at 0000 (Kyiv time) February 15, 2015.

2. The withdrawal of all heavy weapons by both parties at equal distances in order to create at least a 50 kilometer security zone for 100mm or larger caliber artillery systems, a 70 kilometer security zone for Grad multiple rocket launcher systems and a 140 kilometer security zone for the Tornado-S, Uragan, and Smerch multiple rocket launcher systems and Tochka (Tochka-U) tactical missile systems:

– for the Ukrainian troops: [withdrawal] from the actual contact line;

– for the military units of individual areas of the Donetsk and Luhansk regions of Ukraine: [withdrawal] from the contact line in accordance with the Minsk memorandum of September 19, 2014

Withdrawal of aforementioned heavy weapons shall begin no later than the second day of the ceasefire and end within 14 days.

The OSCE will contribute to this process with the support of the Trilateral Contact Group.

3. Starting the first day of such withdrawal, ensuring the effective monitoring and verification by the OSCE of the ceasefire and the withdrawal of heavy weapons with the use of all necessary technical means, including satellites, UAVs, radar systems, etc.

4. On the first day after the withdrawal, to begin a dialogue on the procedures for holding local elections in accordance with Ukrainian law and the Law of Ukraine "On a temporary order of local government in individual areas of the Donetsk and Luhansk regions," as well as on the future regime of these areas, according to this Act.

Immediately, no later than 30 days from the date of signing of this document, to adopt a resolution of the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine with the specification of a territory subject to the special regime in accordance with the Law of Ukraine "On temporary order of local government in some regions of the Donetsk and Luhansk regions" based on the line set in a Minsk memorandum of September 19, 2014

5. To provide pardons and amnesties by the enactment of a law prohibiting prosecution and punishment of persons with regard to the events that took place in individual areas of the Donetsk and Luhansk regions of Ukraine.

6. To ensure the release and exchange of hostages and illegally detained persons based on the principle of "all for all". This process must be completed no later than the fifth day after the withdrawal.

7. To provide secure access, delivery, storage and distribution of humanitarian aid to the needy on the basis of an international mechanism.

8. Determination of the procedure for the full restoration of the socio-economic relations, including transactions of social payments, such as pensions and other payments (takings and income, timely payment of all utility bills, renewal of taxation within Ukraine's legal framework).

To this end, Ukraine shall regain control over the segment of its banking system in conflict-affected areas, and an international mechanism to facilitate such transfers will probably be created.

9. Restoration of full control over the state border of Ukraine by Ukraine's government throughout the whole conflict area, which should begin on the first day after the local elections and be completed after a comprehensive political settlement (local elections in individual areas of the Donetsk and Luhansk regions on the basis of the Law of Ukraine, and a constitutional reform) by the end of 2015, on condition of implementation of paragraph 11 – with consultations and in agreement with the representatives of individual areas of the Donetsk and Luhansk regions in the framework of the Trilateral Contact Group.

10. The withdrawal of all foreign armed forces, military equipment, as well as mercenaries from the territory of Ukraine under the supervision of the OSCE. Disarmament of all illegal groups.

11. Conducting constitutional reform in Ukraine, with the new constitution coming into force by the end of 2015, providing for decentralization as a key element (taking into account the characteristics of individual areas of the Donetsk and Luhansk regions, agreed with representatives of these areas), as well as the adoption of the permanent legislation on the special status of individual areas of the Donetsk and Luhansk regions in accordance with the measures specified in Note [1], until the end of 2015. (See Notes)

12. On the basis of the Law of Ukraine "On temporary order of local government in individual areas of Donetsk and Luhansk regions" the questions regarding local elections shall be discussed and agreed with the individual areas of the Donetsk and Luhansk regions in the framework of the Trilateral Contact Group. Elections will be held in compliance with the relevant standards of the OSCE with the monitoring by the OSCE ODIHR.

13. To intensify the activities of the Trilateral Contact Group, including through the establishment of working groups to implement the relevant aspects of the Minsk Agreement. They will reflect the composition of the Trilateral Contact Group.

Notes:

Such measures, in accordance with the Law "On the special order of local government in individual areas of the Donetsk and Luhansk regions," include the following:

– Exemption from punishment, harassment and discrimination of persons associated with the events that took place in individual areas of the Donetsk and Luhansk regions;

– The right to self-determination with regard to language;

– Participation of local governments in the appointment of heads of prosecutors' offices and courts in individual areas of the Donetsk and Luhansk regions;

– The possibility for the central executive authorities to conclude agreements with the relevant local authorities on economic, social and cultural development of individual areas of Donetsk and Luhansk regions;

– The state shall support socio-economic development of individual areas of Donetsk and Luhansk regions;

– Assistance from the central government to cross-border cooperation between the individual areas of the Donetsk and Luhansk regions and regions of the Russian Federation;

– The creation of people's militia units [police] upon the decision of local councils in order to maintain public order in individual areas of the Donetsk and Luhansk regions;

– The powers of local council deputies and other officials elected in snap elections, appointed by the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine according to this law, cannot be terminated.

The document is signed by the members of a Trilateral Contact Group:

[OSCE] Ambassador Heidi Tagliavini

Second President of Ukraine L.D. Kuchma

The Ambassador of the Russian Federation to Ukraine M.Yu. Zurabov

A. V. Zakharchenko

I. V. Plotnitsky

https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/world-news/war/comment-from-inside-ukraine-lack-of-peacemakers/



micjer

It is difficult to know the exact truth about what is really going on.

One thing is that the Deep State have been doing everything they can to create an energy crisis.  First thing Biden did when sworn in was cancel the Keystone pipeline in western Canada that would have supplied much needed reserves.
Also Michigan has been trying to shut down a line that supplies refineries inmany states and provinces in Canada.
They have cancelled new permits for well exploration and so on.....

Now this war is playing right into this agenda.....hmmmmm
The only people in the world, it seems, who believe in conspiracy theory, are those of us that have studied it.    Pat Shannon

astr0144

#65
Yes, the situation right now could be concerning for us all.
even if we are not at war.

Suggestions of fuel and food price hikes..
or maybe even energy cuts altogether.

It certainly could be worth stocking up on supplies and also looking for alternative fuel or heating supplies.

If they start doing power cuts...it may be mainly electricity... so if one has gas heating , they may be ok.
but if they were to cut both supplies off...

Then depending upon peoples individual situation or circumstances... it maybe a case of obtaining candles, matches,Torches,  various batteries inc a car one/s , some sort of flammable fuel, maybe a Camping stove with gas or butene or propene canisters , Tilley lamp & Fuel for it such as with paraffin (kerosene) , wood or coal to burn. or a generator and fuel for it if one is able to obtain one. Warm clothes and warm bedding.

Some of the gurus who we follow , are suggesting that part of what is going on is to rise prices or make energy
too expensive for people to afford, esp for the elderly. in which they suggest more people will die.

In the and maybe many of the European countries, the weather and temperatures have been general mild for the winter months of the year so far, but it is still cold enough to require reasonable heating.
But providing what happens in the next 2 to 3 months...where its still to have cool later March / April..

Also so at least the Clock changes (Go or Spring forward an hour ) occur over this weekend in the USA and two weeks later in the UK at the end of Sunday March 27th . so we will have an extra hour day light in the evening.

Hopefully if we get past into May.. at least we may have missed the worst of cooler temperatures at least for most of the rest of the year. In which time we have to hope the war ends and other things will change for the better.



Quote from: micjer on March 10, 2022, 01:13:16 PM
It is difficult to know the exact truth about what is really going on.

One thing is that the Deep State have been doing everything they can to create an energy crisis.  First thing Biden did when sworn in was cancel the Keystone pipeline in western Canada that would have supplied much needed reserves.
Also Michigan has been trying to shut down a line that supplies refineries inmany states and provinces in Canada.
They have cancelled new permits for well exploration and so on.....

Now this war is playing right into this agenda.....hmmmmm

kevin

The agenda all along is about compliance, with huge population reduction.

Know the agenda then all is clear.

They will force a different lockdown where only essential workers can travel, then it will be the banks closing their doors and access to funds, they are showing their hand with taking the Russians assets.

Don't focus upon the media false reporting, see the consequences.

Their objective is to break any resistance, then total compliance.

Kevin

astr0144

#67
If the Stock Markets start to crash (probably it would take further declines than present ), then they will quite possibly have or show concerns over the banks and pesion funds , financials etc or controlling the money supply.

Then that really will trap people.  which they have done this in the past if I recall in the 2007/ 2009 crash at least for a while they did create banking issues.

The thing is if people have not with drawn sufficient money... that could really put them in a bad way in the worst case scenerio.

The question is then what does people then do about it.
Not to mention food panics in the shops again and lack of supplies.

IF such a thing should happen and one does NOT  have enough money or supplies in store , they then no doubt will be caught in the trap and in trouble.

IF a market crash is going to continue... I am honestly expecting it from about March 27th to April 10th.

I would be suspecting that we may see a rally start  from a low point IF IT FORMS..due anywhere between Mar 11th, 14th or 18th to rally to the end of the month..   and then a possible Large decline into April or maybe May. that may be what they call a double bottom... ie two low points in the market.

I think if the market still declines below any Low pivots made in the next week, then if those lows break after Mar 18th, anything could happen..but id suspect it could maintain its decline to the end of the Month. and that could turn out to be a overall severe decline since the Jan 5th 2022 high.

This could be similar to what we seen in the Feb to March HUGE decline.

If you recall tha caused MASS panic and was the largest decline EVER in History of the stock market.

I doubt it will be as bad as in 2020.. but I suspect it will create panic if it occurs.

Quote from: kevin on March 10, 2022, 02:59:20 PM
The agenda all along is about compliance, with huge population reduction.

Know the agenda then all is clear.

They will force a different lockdown where only essential workers can travel, then it will be the banks closing their doors and access to funds, they are showing their hand with taking the Russians assets.

Don't focus upon the media false reporting, see the consequences.

Their objective is to break any resistance, then total compliance.

Kevin

Ellirium113

QuoteA must see Tucker Carlson segment on the Ukrainian bio labs and the lies coming out of the current Deepstate administration..
Statements from Russia and China.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/EHhrwFWWAPXu/

kevin

And here comes this piece of garbage PREDICTING that this will come next.

Blame the Chinese for releasing a pandemic, now blame the Russians.

Handy if that's in the planning all along.

micjer

The only people in the world, it seems, who believe in conspiracy theory, are those of us that have studied it.    Pat Shannon

kevin



And they said it wasn't gene therapy.
Kevin

ArMaP


kevin

It's becoming difficult to separate current events between war and biological war.


Kevin

ArMaP

Quote from: kevin on March 11, 2022, 08:55:00 AM
It's becoming difficult to separate current events between war and biological war.


Kevin
Just because of that let's try to keep things in their places and do not make cross posts, right?