I just fell further down the rabbit hole

[undo11]

what's funny about that video, z, is that he has to manipulate timeframe in order to make his claims, then, complains about the seeming manipulation of timeframe (second coming as if the first weren't enough). 

further, he still does not recognize the messiah because the torah was a mix of enlil and enki and anu, yet modern jews think it was only one guy.   sadly, the one guy they think he was, is enlil, who is the guy that hates humans anyway.   not too hard to believe they didn't recognize enki when they refused to acknowledge he existed as a separate entity, in the first place. 

notice how he mentions that jesus calls to his father as if he were a separate entity and provides that as evidence?   well, that's because there's more than one god, and that's a sure indicator of it.  can't claim that's a roman catholic teaching, since the vatican insists there's only one god with like 3 different personalities inside him. 

my solution to that dilemma is elegant --  there were 3 separate entities, all of which were called jehovah in the old testament, including jesus in his non human body (enki).  they didn't recognize him because they refused to admit there were 3 (actually more, but 3 prominent ones). 

it's in all their best interests to ignore or downplay the sumerian data.  not only does it benefit the vatican to ignore the sumerian data, the belief in only one god who sounds like he'd just as soon slaughter us all as look at us, also is the foundation of islam and of some of the worst things in the old testament.  it's also indicative of their desire to continue believing god only loves them and nobody else.

[undo11]

p.s. i also don't buy into the notion that anu, enlil and enki, represent aspects of our own psychological profiles, with enlil representing the masculine patriarchal left hemisphere and enki the right feminine matriarchal hemisphere.   a man of compassion is not some weird anomalie with too much female in his head.  doh.   people who believe that are reinforcing the notion that individuals are gender based stereotypes.  anybody that's honest with themselves for five seconds, knows that isn't true.

[The Matrix Traveller]

From "The Book of Daniel" Chapter 11 verses 36 to 40  Quote;

36.  And the king shall do according to his will;
and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god,
and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods,
and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished:
for that that is determined shall be done.

37.   Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers,
nor the desire of women, nor regard any god:
for he shall magnify himself above all.

38.   But in his estate shall he honour the god of forces:
and a god whom his fathers knew not shall he honour with gold, and silver,
and with precious stones, and pleasant things.

39.   Thus shall he do in the most strong holds with a strange god,
whom he shall acknowledge and increase with glory: and he shall cause them
to rule over many, and shall divide the land for gain.

40.   And at the time of the end shall the king of the south push at him:
and the king of the north shall come against him like a whirlwind,
with chariots, and with horsemen, and with many ships;
and he shall enter into the countries, and shall overflow and pass over.

Sounds very much the god referred to here, is "the unknown god" worshiped
by the Roman church and the other denominations.

The god people talk about today is NOT the God our ancestors knew in ancient times !

The "Lord God", who spoke recorded in O.T. writings is the same who spoke through the Carpenter.

There was/is "God" & "The Lord God".

The "Key", is found in "The Gospel According to John" Ch. 1 verses 1 to 13.

The two mentioned in this Book is The "WORD" (of God) and The LIFE (of God) which is the LIGHT
(NOT Understanding but LIGHT itself) of MEN & Wo-MEN

The One who spoke through the "Carpenter" was "The Lord God", who is reported as being
"Lord of Lords King of Kings".

This was NOT the Carpenter but "The LIFE of God" (LIFE being the Ruler, or Lord)
who Spoke through Him.

God was referred to as The "WORD" in Greek INZ no longer found in the Greek Dictionary !

Which was on the Covers of Old bibles and hymn books....  see Photocopy below.

The Name could only be Written as it can't be vocalized not by magic but one can simply
NOT pronounce this word in Greek, and was removed from the Ancient Greek for this Reason.

The Ancient WORD INZ came Directly from the ZION, Written Language
which All the written Languages came from including Hebrew.

[petrus4]

Any candidate for Messiah was a threat to the Roman occupation.  The prophecy was that the Messiah would liberate Palestine from Imperial rule.  The whole area was desperate for the promised leader to arrive.

Do you really think that it was necessary to doctor the Gospels so much if it was a clear cut thing who was the man for the job?  Even in the edited Gospels it is questioned whether Jesus is the Messiah.

I think it was Brian.

It has always been heavily implied, however, that the Jews themselves were not willing to accept Jesus as the Messiah when he came to them, because he repudiated them as hypocrites.  In a sense, little has changed in the last 2,000 years.  Netanyahu, and his fellow warmongering psychopaths within the Israeli government, routinely denounce as anti-Semitic, anyone who in any way questions the idea that they should be given whatever they want, whenever they want it.

[The Matrix Traveller]

It wasn't the physical person who was the Messiah as the human churches would have you believe.

It was "The SON of MAN" (The MAN Child as Mentioned in The Revelation of Jesus Christ)
who was/is the Saviour of the Souls.

This why "The SON of MAN" Shall Return to Every Soul at some stage.

"The SON of MAN" is NOT, I Repeat NOT the "Flesh" !

As written 2 Entities are Involved here !

1.      The SON of God
and
2.      The SON of MAN

NO Mention of "the Carpenter".

If the "Flesh" of the Carpenter was the Messiah then His disciples would have recognised
the carpenter on the road to Emmaus.

The Flesh of The Carpenter was "The WORD of God" made "flesh"

Nothing to do with a bible Compiled by the Romans or under Roman Law.

But it was "The Lord God" who spoke to them !

"The Lord God" is "The LIFE of God" or "The LIGHT of MEN & Wo-MEN", NOT the Descendants
of A'DAM, as humans are today !


N.T. Writing "The Gospel According to LUKE" Ch. 24 verses 13 to

13. And, behold, two of them went that same day to a village called Emmaus,
which was from Jerusalem about threescore furlongs.

14. And they talked together of all these things which had happened.

15. And it came to pass, that, while they communed together and reasoned,
Jesus himself drew near, and went with them.

16. But their eyes were holden that they should not know him.

17. And he said unto them, What manner of communications are these
that ye have one to another, as ye walk, and are sad?

18. And the one of them, whose name was Cleopas, answering said unto him,
Art thou only a stranger in Jerusalem, and hast not known the things which are come to pass
there in these days?

19. And he said unto them, What things? And they said unto him,
Concerning Jesus of Nazareth, which was a prophet mighty in deed
and word before God and all the people:

20. And how the chief priests and our rulers delivered him to be condemned
to death, and have crucified him.

21. But we trusted that it had been he which should have redeemed Israel:
and beside all this, to day is the third day since these things were done.

22. Yea, and certain women also of our company made us astonished,
which were early at the sepulchre;

23. And when they found not his body, they came, saying, that they had also
seen a vision of angels, which said that he was alive.

24. And certain of them which were with us went to the sepulchre,
and found it even so as the women had said: but him they saw not.

25. Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all
that the prophets have spoken:

26. Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory?

27. And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them
in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.

28. And they drew nigh unto the village, whither they went:
and he made as though he would have gone further.

29. But they constrained him, saying, Abide with us:
for it is toward evening, and the day is far spent.
And he went in to tarry with them.

30. And it came to pass, as he sat at meat with them, he took bread,
and blessed it, and brake, and gave to them.

31. And their eyes were opened, and they knew him;
and He vanished out of their sight.

32. And they said one to another, Did not our heart burn within us,
while he talked with us by the way, and while he opened to us the scriptures?

33. And they rose up the same hour, and returned to Jerusalem,
and found the eleven gathered together, and them that were with them,

34. Saying, The Lord is risen indeed, and hath appeared to Simon.

So there were 2 Disciples ?

Who was Quote;

And the one of them, whose name was Cleopas

Here are the Names of the 12 !

1.  Simon//Peter or cephas
2.  James (the elder) // --none--
3.  John (the beloved disciple) // --none-- (although BOTH James and John we also called "sons of thunder" or "Boanerges")
4.  Andrew (brother of simon) // --none--
5.  Philip // --none--
6.  Nathanael // Bartholomew
7.  Thomas // Didymous (that writing called "The Gospel of Thomas and "The Infancy Gospel" ?)
8.  Matthew // Levi
9.  James (the younger, the less) // --none--
10.  Jude // Thaddeus
11.  Simon // The Zealot
12.  Judas // Iscariot

So where is Cleopas's name in the list ?   


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleopas

Cleopas (or Cleophas, Greek ?) was a figure of early Christianity, one of the two disciples
who encountered Jesus during the Road to Emmaus appearance in the Gospel of Luke 24:13-32.

So while walking the whole distance to Emmaus, these 2 Disciples did NOT Recognise
the Carpenter !

WHY ?

Then the body of the Carpenter appeared to them, as He broke the Bread.

So it is NOT the Carpenter who is the Messiah but Something Else Communicating
through the Flesh of the Carpenter.

If it was the "Carpenter" Who was the Messiah... His own "Disciples" would have Recognised Him !   


So do you really think that people today, Understand these Writings ?

I think NOT !

[rdunk]

Matrix, do you just make stuff up, so that it fits with whatever you believe?

Your comment, "If the "Flesh" of the Carpenter was the Messiah then His disciples would have recognised
the carpenter on the road to Emmaus"................ I asume that you use "Carpenter" to refer to Jesus (Yahusuha) ??

Do you even read the actual Biblical scriptures when you use them? I think if you did, than you would not have made the above statement!

vs 16 says very directly why they did not recognize Jesus - "and their eyes "were holden" so as not to know him.

vs 31 says very directly that their "holden eyes" (vs 16) were opened -And their eyes were opened, and they knew him; and He vanished out of their sight".

So, it is very obvious that the eyes of the two were made to not recognize Jesus, for reason(s) only Jesus knows. It was not because it wasn't Jesus in his resurrection form, that they "didn't know who he was"!

Matrix, thanks for posting the Biblical scriptures of Luke, as these so clearly portray the resurrected Jesus, as he interacts with some of those that knew him before his crucifixion, death, and burial in the tomb.   † †

[The Matrix Traveller]

Geeee rdunk  You do have a problem don't you ?

Look don't worry, I'm sure it will all work out for you in the end, and you will find whatever it is
you desire....   

But you certainly haven't convinced you are a Christian, your behaviour is definitely Anti Christ like. 

[The Matrix Traveller]

So, it is very obvious that the eyes of the two were made to not recognize Jesus, for reason(s) only Jesus knows.

Not necessarily to others.   

for reason(s) only Jesus knows.

Your Own "Confession", saying You Don't Know !


Thank you for agreeing with me....     In that you Don't Know what happened on the road to Emmaus...  

So I see you speak for the Carpenter now ?

Telling the Carpenter how it is, is a very dangerous move on your part. 


You offer NO "proof", referring to your above statement...

It was not because it wasn't Jesus in his resurrection form, that they "didn't know who he was"!

I never said it was !  Your words NOT Mine.

As I have said many times, you are free to believe anything you like...


Your beliefs does NOT make your statements true or Corect....  LOL.


So you have been through the Resurrection then rdunk ?

I don't think so....   

So tell me rdunk; What is the structural difference between His 2 Bodies then ?   

And tell us All about Cleopas's, Who he was, and why his Name is NOT on the accepted List
of Disciples ?

[rdunk]

Your Own "Confession", saying You Don't Know !

I certainly don't know why their eyes were made to not recognize Jesus. The scripture does not say why, it simply says their eyes were "holden". As I said, only Jesus knows why their eyes were holden, and they were not able to know who he was, and then later their eyes were opened, and then they did know him. But for sure it was Jesus!

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"So I see you speak for the Carpenter now ?

Telling the Carpenter how it is, is a very dangerous move on your part".   

I don't know anyone "named" the Carpenter. There is one scripture Mark 13:55 that says, "is not this the carpenter's son? is not his mother called Mary, and his brethren James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas?

And another, Mark 6:3" Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary, and brother of James, and Joses, and Judas, and Simon? and are not his sisters here with us?' -- and they were being stumbled at him".

Yes, only one scripture refers to Jesus as the carpenter, but that is certainly not his name.

Matrix you have a very odd way of interpreting what I am saying.  I in no way am trying to "speak for Jesus", and I for sure am not "telling him how it is".

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"Your beliefs does NOT make your statements true or Corect....  LOL."

I don't know what "beliefs" you are referring to. If the scripture says it, then that makes it true for me.
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"And tell us All about Cleopas's, Who he was, and why his Name is NOT on the accepted List
of Disciples" ?

Yes Matrix, sometimes we can get some of the words confused. Jesus only had 12 apostles, but he had many  disciples before he was crucified. For example, there was 120 total in the upper room on the day of Pentecost. As stated in Acts 1:15

15 And in these days, Peter having risen up in the midst of the disciples, said, (the multitude also of the names at the same place was, as it were, an hundred and twenty,)

And there surely were many other of his disciples that were not in the upper room on that day!

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"So you have been through the Resurrection then rdunk ?

I don't think so.... " 

Well, actually I have, according to God's Word. Not physically of course, but Jesus carried me and my sin, your sin, and the sins of all, to the cross with him, and when I/we accept Jesus as  Lord and Savior, then spiritually his experience became our experience too. This will say that a lot better than I can :

Crucified With Christ – The Mystery of Our Death in Christ
Crucified with Christ? What does that really mean? "Death in Christ" is a crucial revelation that must be understood if we are ever to be free. In order to start understanding our death in Christ, read these Scriptures from Paul:

"I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me" (Galatians 2:20).

"If we have been united with him like this in his death, we will certainly also be united with him in his resurrection. For we know that our old self was crucified with him so that the body of sin might be done away with, that we should no longer be slaves to sin— because anyone who has died has been freed from sin. Now if we died with Christ, we believe that we will also live with him. For we know that since Christ was raised from the dead, he cannot die again; death no longer has mastery over him. The death he died, he died to sin once for all; but the life he lives, he lives to God. In the same way, count yourselves dead to sin but alive to God in Christ Jesus" (Romans 6:5-11).

http://www.allaboutfollowingjesus.org/crucified-with-christ.htm (for more)

[The Matrix Traveller]

I certainly don't know why their eyes were made to not recognize Jesus. The scripture does not say why, it simply says their eyes were "holden". As I said, only Jesus knows why their eyes were holden, and they were not able to know who he was, and then later their eyes were opened, and then they did know him. But for sure it was Jesus!

So Stop adding your misguided views to it then !

There is No need for your burble...   

[petrus4]

So I see you speak for the Carpenter now ?

Telling the Carpenter how it is, is a very dangerous move on your part. 

Although I did go through a period of having to rectify Christian theology in my own mind, and get things straight, I don't claim to know everything.

I do know, however, why I ultimately walked away from Christianity; it was ironically due to two things written in the Bible itself.  One was the parable of the tree and its' fruit, and another was when John says, then you shall know the truth, and the truth will set you free.

Christianity is fundamentally a religion which is based on fear.  I have never encountered an adamant Christian who does not believe that Satan rules this planet; and if they are challenged on that, they claim that the scripture itself says it.  Although it was over a long period, my decision was ultimately made as a result of seeing the film The Green Mile, and realising that I could no longer tolerate a view of reality that was based on, to quote the Salvation Army, blood and fire.

I also cannot tolerate a view of reality that Israel is at the center of.  I refuse to accept the idea that every single non-Jewish human being on the face of this planet is expendable, and that the Jews are supposedly the sole ethnic group on the planet with the divine right to exist.  There is no justice in that.

If I am going to Hell, then I will walk into the fire willingly, and with my eyes open.  I will not resent Yahweh, but neither will I accept the paradigm...the fundamental model of reality...that has been ascribed to him.  I am not Christian.



This is the heart of Christianity.  This is what it glorifies.  I have not included a scene here of the scourging, from The Passion of the Christ.  I have not seen that film.  I refuse to.

I reject Semitic monotheism; Judaism, Christianity, and Islam.  I reject the inhuman, dehumanising nature of these religions.  I reject their tyranny.  I will scream defiance at every last Muslim on the face of this planet; they will not convert me, and they will not kill me.  I reject them because the God that I know exists, has given me the inbuilt moral sensibility to know that they are wrong.

I will not hate you, rdunk, but neither will I tolerate any more of your appeals to guilt and fear.

I am free.  I have fought the supposed certainty that your kind have instilled in me, of my being condemned.  I have fought the indoctrination, and the guilt, and the years of constant portrayal of me as a monster, when I was innocent.  I assisted another in leaving behind the darkness that he was nearly trapped in, because of Christians.



The blood haze has lifted.  The demon's fire has burned out in my veins!  I... have... freed... myself!

I will not go back into your cage.

[Pimander]

hehe

My middle name is Luke. 


Beth, do you think God is my father?

[The Matrix Traveller]

Hi petrus,

I know exactly how you feel.

I can't Stomach these "religious Bigots", they just make me want to vomit.

So I'm not even going to bother wasting my time replying to rdunk...

He is more than welcome to believe what ever he likes.


I just get sick and tired of him trying to Ram his "beliefs" down our throats.   

Next he will be demanding we worship him....  LOL.


He relies on his own interpretations and his fantasies, and has NO proof to show.

I really think he is trying to convince himself...

But I trust LIFE will educate him, according to LIFE in LIFE's own time.

Hopefully he will stop judging others (NOT just me) based on his own Ignorance.

So we will just tolerate his presence for now...   

To be honest I find him rather amusing in strange sort of way...    

[undo11]

pim

My middle name is Luke. 


Beth, do you think God is my father?

i'm luke's twin. well, actually i have the same birthday as the actor who plays him does, which oddly enough, was also the birthday of christopher reeves, the guy who played superman lol

anyway, regarding is god (your) father, depends on which god you mean and he's not your direct father, he's at the top of your family tree as the progenitor of homo sapiens and since you are presumably a homo sapien, then i would say the answer to that is yes but more like a great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great grandfather 

[burntheships]

Any candidate for Messiah was a threat to the Roman occupation.

At that time, who were the other candidates?

Do you really think that it was necessary to doctor the Gospels so much if it was a clear cut thing who was the man for the job?  Even in the edited Gospels it is questioned whether Jesus is the Messiah.

Huh?

At that time, there was no "New Testament".

I am lost on your post as it pertained to mine.