Radient Receivers

[robomont]

oh and on pm talking about the copper wire.he said a billion watts not a billion volts.10,000vdc x 100,000 amps would be a billion watts.its called exploding wires.i have a book called homemade lightning.in the book it gets into exploding wire experiments.10,000vdc x 1 amp was all they were using or less.it doesnt take alot of amps at that voltage to melt a wire.it doesnt take alot of power in general to melt a wire.you can use 100 volts at 100 amps or 1000 volts at 10 amps or 1 volt at 10,000 amps.the power is the same.as far as lightning.a normal strike lets gestimate at 6miles long.light travels at 186,000 miles a second.so that 6 mile bolt only took 6/186000 of a second to strike or 1/31000 of a second.thats alot of power in a very short time.
pwm.when it comes to lightning and hvdc.im the man.lol.at least until i die or you find somebody better to replace me.love u guys.
hope i schooled u back.i can supply references but i would have to take pics from books in my collection.most of this info is hard to find on the net.

[1Worldwatcher]

We are talking EMF here, not discharges of lightning strikes. With that in mind, trim the assumptions of 1.1Mil V to something like .05-1 or 2 or 50 and 60 Hz alternating fields. Thinking on the standards of a lightning strike is not only unpredictable science, it is also a jump of extreme cause and effects.

Though EMF can be polluted by AC Electro-Magnetic fields i.e. Radio towers, Cell towers or any other form of radiant transmissions, the scale we are trying to tap on are the lower end of these fields. Adding Mica caps and what not increases the absorption factors, and are fundamentally important, but for the most part, and with using double connected 12V Batteries as Back has confided with me, it becomes a situation of acclimation with in the lowest potentials.

Vaporized copper wiring and lightning strike is something to be concerned about doing these tests, but at the end of the day, it is not desired expectation's of the test when running a Simple radiant receiver to try and accommodate 100W power supply.

As far as I can tell, EMF's are acquired by approximately 361 different merging lines of influence. Though they don't have a name for these 361 lines, they are what creates the magnetic lines, as in Lay Lines, with in the EMF tables of the Earth. Ironically enough, and with simple division, this accurately runs on the geometry of the PI ( or is a mathematical constant equal to a circle's circumference divided by its diameter.) Which happens to be based on the Circumference of the Earth.

There is more I am looking into on this Back, there is a lot of Geometry involved with all thing's considered static, and whether you confide in my abilities as a researcher or not, the proposition of adding Geometry to the lay of the land will bear fruitful results, we just have to connect these lines of interest. Then we start seeing figures like 361 to the power of ?.

Sorry I haven't been posting here, want to get all I can on fuller understanding of why these fundamental thing's are so vital. There is a lot to the Earth Energy theories, and all I want to do is contribute.

1WW

[robomont]

emfs are all voltages.look at that antigue chart that was posted last week or pull up a newer version.if i understand correctly the plan is to get as much power from the atmosphere as possible.to do that you take a metal point and check for voltage to ground.bying using a test meter or that o scope.then use that voltage to determine spacing.about 1 inch per thousand volts+-.then start making points until you get the total power/wattage you need.

turning  the plywood sheets towards ley lines may amp these numbers up.

i know of no simpler way to suck power out of the air/aether.it sucks all emf except uv .xrays.and gamma.the spacing protects against neutralization due to atmospheric fluctuations.a thousand volts needs more spacing than fifty volts.but on a dry day with wind.the voltage in the air will be higher.also on a dry winter day or snow hitiing the points.even rain will leave a charge through friction.

[1Worldwatcher]

I agree robo, and that is why I brought up the 361 unknown merging lines of geometry creating these Static effects. I am not so sure that it is all going to be a sacred geometry, but I don't have a problem with in such things being connected.

You have to remember that I am 'NOT' and electrical Engineer, but with the help of a few here with in our group, I have a better understanding and research habits for such debacles and further understanding, very hard to type some times the words I want to convey without having to post with quoted materials, hope you understand, for you are much more advanced with in the EE field than I am, and I know it.

As you had stated, orientation may very well be the big player on the field for acclimating such desired effects. Using the EMF Detector would just make that more efficient with in our personal research and understanding as too 'IF' it does make that much of a difference.

If you feel my input is unnecessary or redundant for sharing, let me know, I can drop out of the conversation and let you real EE's get the job done, no offense is taken.

1WW

[robomont]

ive said about all i can until he gets some results.

[thorfourwinds]

1WW, I for one, am thoroughly enjoying and actually learning a bit from all the interplay.

Please stay involved, as I am sure all are interested in your invaluable input.

Been following up on the links and Yikes!

Much can be learned following such links...

Thank you all.

tfw

[PLAYSWITHMACHINES]

Hmm, yes and no.
Yes the average lightning strike is not that much it terms of watts, it is the high voltage that ionises the air & the copper so that they are then free to burn which they do.
But like i posted, what kind of energy completely vapourises a .8 mm solid copper wire 40 feet long & yet leave the soft plastic tubing completely intact??
This was the good quality stuff with the hollow poly ethylene core, that stuff also melts very easily....

Anyway, my point is that within this plasma state, the ordinary rules of physics do not apply.

Also we are entering a zpe scenario where all the energy in the universe can pass through a single point smaller than an electron.
The term 'zero pint' has actually two explanations, since the commonly held view is that it is referring to the fact that electrons remain active even at absolute zero temperature, where theoretically there is no (thermal) energy to sustain subatomic motion.

Dr Chris told me that when an electron is hit by, or 'captures' a photon, it gains kinetic energy, not electrical charge, and therefore should be subject to the laws of thermodynamics, which it usually does.
But an electron will never stop spinning, even when you remove all the (observable) energy from the system.

Obviously there is another source of energy present....

Vaporized copper wiring and lightning strike is something to be concerned about doing these tests, but at the end of the day, it is not desired expectation's of the test when running a Simple radiant receiver to try and accommodate 100W power supply.

Look at the Testatika machine, it draws energy from it's surroundings, easily 100W, and it doesn't even use an 'antenna' as such.
The trick i guess is this;
Nature will supply ANY amount of energy necessary to correct an 'imbalance'.

By creating a dipole (potential difference or 'voltage') you are creating a small imbalance, & Nature supplies the energy to try & correct it.

The more unbalanced you make a system, the more energy will be expended by nature to correct it.

Think of electrochemical or nuclear reactions.

Gravity, light, & even time itself can be warped, given the correct amount & form of energy.

As usual we will be creating an unbalanced situation, and Nature will supply the energy & the field itself.

there is a lot of Geometry involved with all thing's considered static, and whether you confide in my abilities as a researcher or not, the proposition of adding Geometry to the lay of the land will bear fruitful results, we just have to connect these lines of interest.

Yes, geometry seems to be the emerging issue here, i was amazed by that Ed Leedskalnin analysis of the words & numbers he used.
But i'm still not a Rodin fan

Definitely our first step must be to make a few simple machines, both static 'ground' type and A.C. 'radiant' type & tune them & play with them & record our results.
Several of us should do this, so we can compare results, i will be happy to participate & build some recievers (if i get the time, LOL)

In the meantime Back, your first thought should be what kind of voltage can be picked up & stored & at what frequency.

The ley lines are there, but they are either DC or oscillate very slowly, like twice per minute.
Frequencies that low will be impossible to rectify & use, so we should be looking at harmonics of the Schumann frequency etc.

(on a side note, i built a gravity wave reciever a'la T.T. Brown some time ago, it still needs many hours of tuning & testing.....)

Robo, spikes are good for attracting lightning but for the wrong reasons, it's a good place for electrons to gather before 'jumping' to make a spark. Since the field strength is literally electrons per sq. centimeter, if you squeeze enough of them into a small space like that, the field strength is enough for a spark.

Ever notice why Tesla's first lab had a large copper sphere on a pole on the roof?

A sphere is the perfect form to capture electrons, they will spread out evenly over the surface, so you can just keep adding new ones, and of course a sphere is the greatest surface area for the smallest volume, so it's a natural capacitor.
(that will make Bill happy)
Nature isn't stoopid, guys She knows what she's doing all right.

As you had stated, orientation may very well be the big player on the field for acclimating such desired effects. Using the EMF Detector would just make that more efficient with in our personal research and understanding as too 'IF' it does make that much of a difference.

What we need is a 'grid dip meter'



I had one, but i lent it to my brother, i hope he still has it...he used it to win a court case against a mobile phone antenna near his house.

The law is simple, if the field is higher than 1 volt per meter, it's too strong, and the meter read almost 2 volts
At least, that was the law back then, maybe they changed it now.

Most peeps don't know this & freely allow these dangerous EHF repeaters to be placed, because the telecom companies tell them it's 'perfectly safe'

Thor, you ain't seen nuttin' yet, we're just warming up

[Back]

Hey All

A lot going on here. Mind blowing in a good way. Thanks for all the replies.

First Robo

I did a crude test with your nail idea. I used 6 roofing nails in a small piece of plywood and was surprised that at half the height of my antenna recieved only 2 mv less. I will do more testing on your idea.

1WW

Your input is always welcome. Some times I dont reply because I am ignort about what you are saying. For example> I had an idea of what ley lines are but I took a crash corse today and was surprised of the geometry of it. I found a map.

http://www.loohan.com/grid.gif

It shows me being smack in the middle of a triangle of 3 lines I dont know if that is important. worth looking into but i do not set on one.

PWM

I thank you four kind offer for the super cap. I would love to have it but at this time I have no use for it. I an in search of higher voltage.

By creating a dipole (potential difference or 'voltage') you are creating a small imbalance, & Nature supplies the energy to try & correct it.

The more unbalanced you make a system, the more energy will be expended by nature to correct it.

You got that spot on
That is what I am trying to do.

Sooo
Can we all come to an agreement that there is a large DC potential differance between ground an the sky? Can we also agree that this potential can be between 50 v/m to 400v/m depending on location and wether conditions?

That is the heart of my thoughts and expirements.

I need the "best mica caps available" to create this unballenced situation.
If the silver mica caps have a low enough leakage between the plates to give me a higher voltage then I do believe I can produce some real power. Low leakage is the key in my opinion

Wow this is a long post for me. I am working the DC angle.
Guys
Again I thank all of you for your input.
Bless
Shawn

[robomont]

i may be wrong or you have already said but your spark gap is voltage setting.i think.if you had a vacuum tube with a spark gap it would be more reliable.or maybe there is a rectifier that would work.you can use two wood screws .screwed at angles for a spark gap that way the gap is adjustable.make sure screws dont have a coating or paint on them.just some ideas that may help.
that way if you are getting a half volt.the cap could bring it up to twelve then short across the gap and into a battery.dont want to blow yourself up so have the gap away from the battery.

[1Worldwatcher]

I wonder if Tesla's "hairpin" functions as a resonant circuit would assist in the 'Regulating' the EM with directional or ground mounted copper/Aluminum foot base system. I am imagining this would ride over the antenna, there by creating stop/short circuit areas for amplifying the radiant energy from 3-10 Micro Farads?

It is essentially a length of parallel conductor transmission line with a shorting bar at the far end. This would allow for a depth set kind of device for the hair pin device. Though they are used for different applications with in the Tesla design's, may prove worthy for an attempt of 'In Ground' application ?

This makes up a "resonant line" which is capable of producing standing waves (Through the Hair Pin Device) on the parallel lines at all frequencies to which the length of the line is an appropriate wavelength (fraction or multiple.) There by manipulating all available resonance energy for operational desired effects?

Its drawback is that some portion of the energy contained within its resonance will "radiate" into the surrounding space unless it is shielded. And I heard you can do this with simple aluminum foil and then run ground line back to antenna, also insulated. But, I am not 100% sure.

The shorting bar at the opposite end is a near perfect reflector of radiant (RF) energy. This is where the spark gap could occur, but, with our device, not sure if it is absolutely necessary as of right now, can always add this at a later time if need be.

The "shorted line resonator" is an efficient tuned circuit for high frequencies and is the principle upon which the resonant cavity, which Hair Pin Device is made of 3/4" Copper tubing, is understood, there by achieving a EMF sort of OU with in magnetic fields, once again, I am not 100% sure.

I don't have an example of the Tesla Hair Pin device, but you can search the different ones out on Google Images, they do get quite complexed with in design.

1WW

[robomont]

i dont know the hvac side of stuff.like the tesla coil.
someone suggested big metal ball.big balls are great for storing charge .points are good for collecting.but i may be wrong.just what i think i read.maybe back could test the theory.

also pwms comment earlier about 60hz.im curious if that frequency has alot of energy in it.thats power lines and human eyesight.

[1Worldwatcher]

i dont know the hvac side of stuff.like the tesla coil.

Well, I am thinking this being a Radiant Receiver would based on geographical location and the EMF range one is dealing  with for that vicinity robo. The coil itself of Tesla is a
whole different monster.

The 'Hairpin Device' I had mentioned is a sort of 'Circuit Modifier' from what I understand, there by amplifying the signal to certain potential with in these magic frequency areas.

I have read some on this device, and the more I read about what it was doing, Back's layout seemed to fit the 'Hairpin Device's' intentions right on the head for the problem's he was experiencing as far as charge consistencies and reading's.

someone suggested big metal ball.big balls are great for storing charge .points are good for collecting.but i may be wrong.just what i think i read.maybe back could test the theory.

I have done a lot of research into Spherical applications, and the one thing that is painfully obvious is that it really is a great receiver, not because of the frequencies it is harnessing, but because the natural circular shape allows for the charges being implemented seem to create their own 'Merging Lines of Influence' such as the natural gravitational properties of earths magnetosphere and the influences of the Helios Sphere creating a naturally produced Plasma cross section with in Earth's magnetic tail.

I know we are speaking of much more power and interacting properties of this area of our planets working model, but, for the most part, and with confidence with such people as A.C. Holt, it is all frequency oriented and related. On another note, with all that is associated with in such natural occurring and fundamental acquisition of the Plasma bi-products seen with the 'Merging Line Effects' it is openly accepted that with in and on earths magnetic lines, the same interactions are seen, only in smaller scale compared to the galactic influences of the Earth's magnetosphere and the Helios Sphere.

also pwms comment earlier about 60hz.im curious if that frequency has alot of energy in it.thats power lines and human eyesight.

This is another instance where the Cosmos and the Earth's potentials are measurable. Many, many researcher's, including Tesla have found there is a sweet spot with in the ranges from 50-60Hz. This also seems to be one of those 'Geographical Locations' conundrum's for acclimating exact scientific calculation's, I am currently getting farther educated by another member with in our PRC groups of how these influences from Schumann's resonance Effect and other varying inter-playing frequencies can cause these reading's to be somewhat of a 'True/False' because they are all amalgamated into a single signal, and being manipulated to the natural forces as we attempt to harness them too a singularity. Any single Signal we read from any meter, oscilloscope or compass is a reading of all these forms of natural energy combined, though, with the compass, it is the natural strongest reading due to the polarities of our planet, which by the way is the simplest of all gadgetry and yet can give you precise oriented readings of directional manipulation, provided one isn't in the "Zone of silence" or any other one of Earth's Magnetic weird spots.

50-60Hz seems too be the 'Acclimation Range' too many researcher's, and is quoted as such by many scientists.

If you look at one of the 'Hairpin Devices' Tesla has designed, I would think that by adding a Sphere with it positioned between these to grounded pins, one would get readings from Earths magnetic fields on it's own, but placing them on the path of an antenna separated by a continual measurement of distance, frequency would be more articulated and there by controlled throughout the process of using such a thing as Radiant Receiver. But once again, I must confess, I am only making suggestions, whether they prove to be fruitful or not, that remains yet to be seen.

I learn so much from you all here that it is humbling that you guy's are willing to educate me, If it weren't for all your guy's patience, I would have moved on long ago. but with honesty and sharing our ideas and continued respect for one another, there is no doubt we can accomplish some great thing's as a team effort.

Not too mention, I love to be educated correctly the first time. Rewriting history seems too be all to common as of lately, and I do believe we can all agree to that.

1WW

[robomont]

agreed.

[Back]

Agreed

I have no plan at this time for a spark gap. If we can get the voltage up I will play with it for 2 reasons. Safty and incase the shtf and there is no solid state devices.

My origional plan and still is to use a 555 timer to control a mosfet to discharge large hi v hi current pulses.

When I get the silver mica caps in and if I am unable to get the voltage that think i should then I have to pick a path. If I am then I have to go to plan B.

I missed u all on chat yesterday. I did chat with PWM. The 98 hz that I am getting did come and we were poth puzzled about. I need to take my mobile antenna and place it about 200 ft south of my main antenna and run an extension cord for my oscope to see if I am still getting the 98 hz signal. It will rule out any interferiances that might be comming from my shop.

He thinks that there might be some auto calibration for freq on my scope. I dont have a full manual or a freq generator so I have to research that.

If my scope is close to being in calibration and if I am still setting the 98 hz signal away from my shop then I may be on to something.

This is VERY important if above is verified.
Lets talkAbout the Schuman Frequencies.

The stander thought is the fundimental is 7.83 OK the next is plus 6.5 this I have neer under stound. if it is harmonic it should be 15.66 not 14.3

so if we follow the standard of 6.5 if you add it up you do find 98 hz in the list

K guys Sorry if this is incorherent but I started having some major back spasems last night and had to take a pill to move kind of groggry.

Bless
Back

[PLAYSWITHMACHINES]

Ok so we are getting somewhere

Yes silver mica & ceramics have very low loss, but you don't get them very big so you will need to stack a whole lot of them together (in parallel) to get anywhere near 10uF.

But they are free on old circuit boards, the best ones ( or at least easily recognised) are the grey blocks with transparent plastic on each end & a stack of thin mica sheets & foil (made from or containing silver), some others are black or blue plastic moulded blocks, depending on manufacturer.

These are anywhere from 50 to 500 volts so they are more suitable for what you are doing.

There are also some very big electrolytics from 300-500v DC but they gave more internal leakage.
But they are great for 'short term' storage

Which is how the machine should work, IMHO, the caps store energy from the oscillator / antenna circuit, then it goes to an inverter or a battery system.

A simple diode between each circuit is enough, if the voltage from the antenna circuit is higher than the battery etc then current will flow, but not backwards from the battery to the antenna.

Yes, the 'hairpin device' is a standing wave effect, also the basis for microwave ntennas & also something called a Travelling Wave Tube Amplifier (also caled a 'tweeta' or 'tweeter', which i posted on somewhere, maybe in the TTB threads

Funny how they called it a 'tube amplifier' instead of 'amplifier tube' but then the acronym would be kinda rude

Any single Signal we read from any meter, oscilloscope or compass is a reading of all these forms of natural energy combined, though, with the compass, it is the natural strongest reading due to the polarities of our planet, which by the way is the simplest of all gadgetry and yet can give you precise oriented readings of directional manipulation, provided one isn't in the "Zone of silence" or any other one of Earth's Magnetic weird spots.

Eggzactly!
That's where tuned circuits come in, you just tune the system to that area & see what the voltage is.
As regards ley lines, i'm not sure if we could generate any power from them, they are of such low frequency it would be difficult...

Back is actually in the ideal place to test for natual phenomena since he's far enough away from all man-made interference.

Balls, balls i say!

I have no plan at this time for a spark gap. If we can get the voltage up I will play with it for 2 reasons. Safty and incase the shtf and there is no solid state devices.

Not needed IMO not at these power levels.
You can always just use a neon lamp across the circuit instead of a spark gap, it will light up at about 70 volts & will limit spikes to that voltage, like a 'natural zener diode', also a very good idea to have non solid-state equipment, Ivan had valve radios in the early MIG's for a very good reason...

The 98 hz that I am getting did come and we were poth puzzled about. I need to take my mobile antenna and place it about 200 ft south of my main antenna and run an extension cord for my oscope to see if I am still getting the 98 hz signal. It will rule out any interferiances that might be comming from my shop.

Yes i'm still thinking on that one, i will need to build a similar antenna & ground & see what frequencies arrive.......

But i'm in a city in the most densely populated country in the world, so noise is a big problem for me.

This is VERY important if above is verified.
Lets talkAbout the Schuman Frequencies.

The stander thought is the fundimental is 7.83 OK the next is plus 6.5 this I have neer under stound. if it is harmonic it should be 15.66 not 14.3 so if we follow the standard of 6.5 if you add it up you do find 98 hz in the list

Yes, but i heard that the schumann is speeding up & is currently around 18=19 Hz, so the harmonics etc will also have changed.

We really do need some kind of unilateral measurements performed by the members here, at least that way we will have a vague pic of the freq's & voltages present around the world...........but i would think somebody has already done that, we need to find their data

No need to re-invent the wheel guys, if someone has already done the leg-work all we need to do is find them

Sorry to hear about your back, Back (pun not intended ) i know what that feels like, i hope you're feeling better.

I never take any kind of pill, so when i'm in pain i feel all of it, i try to beat it with will-power alone.
Easier said than done tho........

Later!

p.s. sorry i missed you guys on Skype, will be there tomorrow sometime, lots to catch up on.

And i would also like to welcome SoundLightWaves to our little group, please make him feel at home peeps
PWM