UFO SIGHTINGS: MUFON Cases - 2 UFOs Photographed Over McAlester, Oklahoma

[PLAYSWITHMACHINES]

Guys, we went off topic at the top of this page, wtf is going on??

A few points to remember, please:

I agree with Sky, Armap is 'Mr. Analytical" asks a lot of questions & can sometimes even be irritating, BUT

He is always polite, you have to account for his english as not his native tongue.

It is always good to have balance, you can't have the YING without the YANG, and i would rather have Armap as our 'yang' so we always get a balance & not one-sided debates.

I also don't care what he does at ATS, here he is a respected member & part of the team, like it or not.

So let's please keep personal issues out of this & concentrate on the picture, and if anyone asks the same dumb question you can just post "see my quote on page xx" like we did on That Other Site.

And yes, Bill, it helps if one reads the entirety of that thread if one wants to contribute anything meaningful.

Heck i havent even seen the picture, sadly i don't have time to analyse anything
But i hope you folks will try to keep it real, & to the point, please.
PWM

[Gigas]

I fired Armap off the internuts awhile back. He uses that tango spookz standard response without a proper formed inquiry.

[PLAYSWITHMACHINES]

Jeez, any more of this & we will have to split the thread:

1) Mufon photo discussions thread.

2) Armap bashing thread.

[1Worldwatcher]

Jeez, any more of this & we will have to split the thread:

1) Mufon photo discussions thread.

2) Armap bashing thread.

Yes, I was hoping we could figure out what we were seeing with Deuem's Process , even though it is pretty much a  hoaxed image to me Personally, I still think it pertinent too  understand with in the Deuem Process of how we define such analysis and deductive points of views.

I for one see all that Deuem has mentioned as far as the shadows and the 'Sun Rays' (After Deuem Process) and how they are extremely different from most of the images we get of the whole UFO phenomena.

I have tried to allocate the 'Strings/Threads' Deuem has pointed out, but for the life of me, can't allocate them for visual analysis for my personal satisfaction. of these high line poles are as the photographer says, I believe 150 Yards away, this would make those flying objects huge by comparison.

Regardless, too understand what is still detectable with using Deuem's rendered analysis. Too me it all still lay's on the fact that the process can detect waves of light as they are moving closer, and with the objects of discussion not being such a good reflector of these emitted light sources, tells me that they are either smaller than what they appear or were explained too be , or, they were added somehow through a CGI format as too be highly undetectable from said available analysis of Deuem Process that they just show up Dead as stagnant implanted objects.

Either way, Hoax or no hoax, the image has information important to deciphering Deuem Process and what we are 'Really' seeing with such images.

1WW

[Amaterasu]

It is always good to have balance, you can't have the YING without the YANG, ...

Ms. Nitpicky butting in...  YIN not YING.  The YING YANG is...or can be construed as...the nether orifice into which things go up.  The YIN and the YANG are the dual spiritual elements and translate to this material duality of light/darkness, male/female, up/down, black/white, etc.

Carry on.

[PLAYSWITHMACHINES]

Sorry, Yin it is...
Me being a Shao-Lin and all... silly of me.

Thanks for the update 1WW.
The point is, can we get back to a reasonable discussion?

Based on what i have read, this picture may well be a hoax, but may still be of interest re: the Deuem process.

We have yet to make the 'energised object' reference pictures for Deuem, but that will happen soon, then we have some kind of solid reference backround.

I will add that from my understanding of the process, it is prudent to apply it to any & all pictures where certain qualities of light etc are in question.
I still think this process offers 'real' ufo researchers the perfect tool to do their thing.

By all means carry on guys, i love the technical & logical debates, we are really breaking ground here & i hope that all participants realise this.

And by the same token, don't poop over someones thread just because you dont understand it. That happened to many of us, & it doesn't feel good.

What we are doing is pushing boundaries with our research & there are bound to be disagreements. This is normal & to be expected.

But i for one am very happy we are on track again

Now, about this picture... ??

[Eradicator]

Sound of boots in the main hall...


Zorgon and thorfourwinds have been aroused from a sound sleep and are not amused.

All hail Zorgon!

[zorgon]

Don't let ArMaP get you down.... he attacks everyone.

ArMaP doesn't attack anyone He just has a certain style that can get on peoples nerves

He is our token Skeptic   If we didn't have someone on the other side of the fence how boring would this place get?

John doesn't post here much because their is no one here who attack him   We all all a bunch of yes men with him Where is the fun of engagement in that?

When I first met ArMaP at ATS he was trying to get a group together called the "Fair Skeptics Society"  One other member of that group Torbjon was the only other one that wasn't a Phage clone   Seems you cannot maintain a "Fair Skeptics Society"    because most of those are really just debunkers...  not true skeptics

As a side note Torbjon gave me the creeps with the way he 'fussed' over his young daughter... kinda like Benet Ramsey.  I got a creepy feeling about him... well a few months back I got email asking to send money to help get him out of jail...  I will leave it at that

Now ArMaP has come a long way   I know it seems hilarious that he is an ATS FSME in the field of UFO's   But he has found a few images that he cannot explain away on the moon... and all it takes is ONE   He also has issues with the hills in the Apollo pictures  something we were going to do a thread on.


So yeah he can be annoying at times... but in a broken record kinda way

[zorgon]

Yes, I was hoping we could figure out what we were seeing with Deuem's Process , even though it is pretty much a  hoaxed image to me Personally, I still think it pertinent too  understand with in the Deuem Process of how we define such analysis and deductive points of views.

Well I find it sad that MUFON collects photos like this  without any further inquiry  MUFON used to INVESTIGATE  Now they are just a photo catalog site... and they got 1 MILLION BUCKS from Bigelow for THAT?

These two object could easily be moths close to the lens... there are many examples on youtube and the net showing moths that look just like these.

[thorfourwinds]

Well I find it sad that MUFON collects photos like this  without any further inquiry  MUFON used to INVESTIGATE  Now they are just a photo catalog site... and they got 1 MILLION BUCKS from Bigelow for THAT?

These two object could easily be moths close to the lens... there are many examples on youtube and the net showing moths that look just like these.

OK, show us just one.

And please explain the wire (that's 450 feet away) in front of the 'moth'.

Actually, wait just a sec and we'll give you all something to 'nibble away at' as Deuem would say.

[rdunk]

Relative to attempts to verify the originality of photos - how would one actually do that, if for instance, these two OP craft, that we see there in the photo,, were actually operating within another dimension??

Or, could these craft be inter-dimensional, and possibly just be at the point of mutual dimension cross-over?

If there were a photo of such instance, is it possible that the "Deueum" process, nor any other photo analysis method, could explain the physics of the photo?

And relative to sci-fi thought, same questions for craft that are cloaked/partially cloaked, or craft going through the cloaking/uncloaking process?? 


                                                   

[zorgon]

OK, show us just one.

And please explain the wire (that's 450 feet away) in front of the 'moth'.

Well I could use the Tether debunk but I won't 

[zorgon]

I think we are being had!  The only thing that can pull this one out of the trash is a fantastic full res photo...That will be the day....

Re the wires  how far are they away from the camera?  How do you tell? Are you assuming they are power lines? What makes you think so?

What is I am taking the picture through one of these? 

[thorfourwinds]

UFO SIGHTINGS: MUFON Cases - 2 UFOs Photographed Over McAlester, Oklahoma


Greetings All:     

Another wonderful, spirited discussion and what a great time to throw our hat into the ring of fire.   

We'll start with ArMaP the Dissembler.

No, that's the result of changing the photo. The original looks like a photo taken after sunset.

The camera data indicates two and a half minutes before sunset.


Gasp! Herein may lie a tiny grain of truth - ArMaP and Deuem are both right in what you see.

However, ArMaP has continually belittled the Deuem process because he sees things differently than many others.
Is the 'blue' that Deuem sees as 'blue' the same 'blue' that ArMaP experiences?

Enquiring minds want to know.


From ArMaP's EXIF data:

Date/Time Original:           2013:06:21 20:46:37
Create Date:                     2013:06:21 20:46:37

From TWC

McAlester, Oklahoma
Sunrise/Sunset 21 June 2013
Sunrise:   6:15 AM   Sunset:      8:49 PM   

Azimuth:  Sunrise   60°   Sunset   300°   
Length of Day:   14h 33m 30s   

ArMaP
To me they looks like moths or something like that, one going in each directions.

Not a bad guess, especially the part "... or something like that..."

Classic.   

... with the object being in front of the wire but being translucent, as a fast moving insect would appear.

And where do you get these fantastic ideas?
"...a fast moving insect is translucent..."
defies the laws of physics,
as our favorite THC-sponge Robo might utter.   


Please take a better look at your 'translucent moths.'

However, we might give you the benefit of the doubt
that it is possible that you may have
part of your postulation correct -

it could be moths

(it could also be a black ops top secret military project) -

if you can provide any credible information to reinforce your presumption -
like a similar picture of these moths.

It should be easy for one sharing such knowledge,
as the unique centerline of the fuselage ... errrr, moth is quite unique to the design.   

Quote from: deuem on June 26, 2013, 09:09:31 AM
If Mufon has the original of this and wants me to take another look, I will try it. Even at the source Zorgon listed the photo is only 208kb. 800x534 pixels. Garbage in, garbage out. My cell phone would take a better photo

Even in the dim light in the original, un-cropped photo, there appears to be a shadow - or shaded area - under the tree where it should/would be according to the sun's 'rays' in the Deuem processed photo.   

Considering that the telephone wires are 450 feet (137.15 meters) from the camera, and the 'moth' is clearly behind the wire, that would make it a fairly big moth, n'est-ce pas?   

Long Description of Sighting Report
On June 21, 2013 I decided to start marking the sun set as it met the horizon to make me a rock calendar kinda like Stone Hinge. I am calling it Mike Hinge. I picked out a spot on the west side of my property placed a rectangle rock next to a fence post and spray painted the post gray. I sat my Iphone on top of my tripod to mark the heading of where the sun was setting and what heading I was facing to make sure that I can make the same observation each month as the sun sets.

I snapped a couple of photos of the sun setting

and then turned my attention to the hills north of where I was standing. I snapped a couple of shots
...
I then cropped the pic to enlarge the objects.

At first glance I thought they might have been birds but Ive never taken any pictured of birds in flight that look like these.

Upon further observation of the objects I noticed that the one on the left bottom appears to be behind some telephone wires that are approximately 150 yards down my driveway which makes the object appear to be Very Large.

Aha: Data!      150 yards = 450 feet = 137.15 meters.

(image courtesy RED-GREY.CO.UK)

FYI

The telephone wires described are probably these:
Category 2 100-pair unshielded cable diameter = 0.83 " = 21 MM.

Aha: Data! 

A pigeon is approximately ... you know the drill - go figure!   



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The second object appears to be behind the leaves of the tree that is approximately 30 yards in front of me and also appears to be Very large.

Aha: Data!      30 yards = 90 feet = 27.43 meters.

I took two pictures just a few seconds apart and the objects are only in one of the photos.

...

Gotta just love this red herring:

p.s. I did notice prior to taking the photos my Iphone Compass was malfunctioning by loosing its magnetic north settings.

Deuem

Ok, got the hi res photo to work with this time. IMHO I Still say we are being had on this one.

We are being told this was a shot took late in the evening and the dusk is falling fast Wow, I wonder what this is then. A miracle?

Please look at the trees and where the shadows are. We can see light on this side of them like it is either 10am or 2pm. Nice green grass. Hum?

We see the shadow - or shaded area - beneath the tree. It's actually quite obvious.   

Deuem

Now, anyone that has ever looked at a Deuem process might know by know how it finds Sunlight. Out of everything it does that the best. Look at the rays. Is this dusk?

The camera indicates three minutes before sunset.

Your processed photo indicates otherwise.


We do admit that it is rather interesting (and convenient) that both objects are placed behind something.

Signs of the times:

[zorgon]

it could be moths

(it could also be a black ops top secret military project) -