The Extraterrestrial Hypothesis: Pure misdirection?

[Eighthman]

I think, Pimander, that it would be helpful if you were explicit in regard to what you're talking about.

OK, if you mean that most sightings are from the US Black OPs, then that explains the Prime Directive thing but ......maybe not the interfering with Nukes thing. Also, Triangles screwing around European skies, challenging NATO fighters in the '80's seems odd.

If you mean "Agatha" or underground bases or that we share the earth in some odd dimensional way, maybe that explains some (not all) of the Nuke stuff but , again not the lack of the Day The Earth stood still.

  Maybe multiple players are involved here.

[The Matrix Traveller]

Maybe multiple players are involved here.

That's an understatement...   

The Earth may be playing the part of the Bate, in a "Trap" ?

[Eighthman]

"Bait"?  "First person video games"?

What the heck are we, then?  The Cosmic Version of Grand Theft Auto?

I don't remember any celestial past so I'm afraid I'm just a unwilling participant.   

[The Matrix Traveller]

"Bait"?  "First person video games"?

What the heck are we, then?  The Cosmic Version of Grand Theft Auto?

I don't remember any celestial past so I'm afraid I'm just a unwilling participant.

You wrote the book... you now experience, so you should know ?   

Your Outer End knows all and is now presenting the experience you are now having.

But the Absolute Centre End has No knowledge of this.

If it did, then you would be unable to experience the Program Book you have written, before experiencing it.   

MAN Know Thy SELF.

[ArMaP]

I'd suggest the evidence for ET lies in the monolith on Phobo's (hope it's the right moon, and the correct spelling! Lol), and ruins on our moon and even Mars, I further suggest the NASA footage of UFO's which are quite plainly ET.

It's a rock, I have never seen any ruins.

[sky otter]

pimander quote
The nukes are of interest to the "aliens" because this is their home too. 

seeker quote
may I also suggest that there is the possibility that survivors from the previous cycles of inhabitants here on our rock were very advanced at the times of the various cataclysms and have been here all along.

undo quote
this is my theory on 2 (greys and reptilians) of the alien species.  they are earthlings from prior ages.  we are the new kids on the block

eigthman quote
What the heck are we, then?


my conjecture is
that we are in part some of those left out (rejects)  or missed out (stupids) on the survival of going underground eons ago for safety...
or perhaps
that's where we started..underground...and some were kicked out
( hummmmmmmmm that sounds way to familiar   )
and
that WE have been mixed with other (you make up what you want..aliens *spirits*reprogramed*whatever)
or we are just a product of continous breeding and nothing more
  and have finally come to some selfaware questioning state
all theories

we have strong psychic abilities that are latent and only a few use them or recognize  how they can be developed..that is a fact

the germans woke a sleeping evil and that changed the need for the beginning ones
from up or down or in
to venture out..
nazi's - bombs -   nuclear stuff all around the same time frame as visitors

cover ups because sadly most humans are sheeple and like it that way...

when you come right down to it what the heck difference does it make which direction
when we are still so unaware of who and what WE are

[The Matrix Traveller]

when you come right down to it what the heck difference does it make which direction
when we are still so unaware of who and what WE are.

Beautifully put Sky. I love the way you word things...  Far more articulate than myself.

There is not enough GOLD in the bank, to transfer the quantity you deserve...   

[deuem]

Aliens are everywwhere and everything including us. I still think we are a zoo. Way to many life forms on one planet. maybe we are a collection from everywhere. Many times I see Orbs split up like a tour bus full of different groups, 3 go this way, 8 the other and a few singles wander around. All remote. The universe is either empty or a million times more complex than we think. I go with the complex. I also go with everything and anything is out there.

Tickets for sale, take the Earth tour, see the crazy humans kill themselves. This is what happens when you don't train them. They soil themselves and ruin the park. Even 2 of them will fight with each other, to the death. Over 18 only for the death tours.

Deuem

[Amaterasu]

Deuem, You know that's not really what is going on.  Most of Us are horrified at the war and pollution - created by the psychopaths in control who BLAME it on "Humanity."

Since WE don't have the power in the present system is EXACTLY why I would transcend that system to put the 96% of Us who are NOT psychopaths in collective stigmergic control of the planet.

We will do a far better job than the psychopaths.

[deuem]

You got it !, It is always a few bad apples that spoil the barrel. 99% of us are good people being mis-dirrected by a very few. But we let them do it because they have the controls over us. Someone takes control.

I see this even with my fish. One of them will take over a school. They will fight to the death to contol it. Then the rest just fall in line like nice sheep. If the rest of the school would fight back then another would rise to control the school. When you get fish, buy a school of them and see what happens. 10 or more of the same breed will do. I have 4 different schools now and a few odd fish that fall in line with one of the schools.

People are no different, they fall in line behind a leader and do what ever the leader says. So the zoo is lead by a very few. Who controls that few? The experiment is to see if Mankind can rise above the mentality of common animals and take its place in the stars. so far we are failing very bad.....

One persons psychopath is another persons leader! It is a point of view thing we can't work out yet.

Deuem

[Elvis Hendrix]

Duem Quote

"Aliens are everywwhere and everything including us. I still think we are a zoo. Way to many life forms on one planet. maybe we are a collection from everywhere. Many times I see Orbs split up like a tour bus full of different groups, 3 go this way, 8 the other and a few singles wander around. All remote. The universe is either empty or a million times more complex than we think. I go with the complex. I also go with everything and anything is out there."

Yea im with you on that.

Inner world? Maybe! Interweaving dimensions? very probably.
Visits by living astronauts in craft from other planets? yea i think so.
Critters? definitely. But i think there is more to it. At this juncture we can or will only process a certain amount of data that our given, limited parameters will allow. I imagine that is determined by many factors. Our internal belief systems, our religious shrouds of influence etc, our collective percieved history, will all determine how the evolution of our "seeable" (is that a word?) enviroment unfolds before us.
I think this information revolution we are all partaking in now will and has opened many doors of perspective and indeed perception.

As to us in our day to day meat suits, I still maintain we are a genetic mistake, maybe an experiment gone wrong.
I also love the mad notion of this place being a penal colony from long, long ago. where our ancestors were shipped too as delinquents and misfits to fend for ourselves.

Happy Saturday

[Sinny]

It's a rock, I have never seen any ruins.

From an academic point of view - this guys opinion trumps yours 

[Sinny]

Throughout the whole of this discussion, we have all neglected some quite important pieces of 'substantial' evidence. That being the Bible and other ancient texts that speak of the Lucifer Experiment and the Serpent People.

You got it !, It is always a few bad apples that spoil the barrel. 99% of us are good people being mis-dirrected by a very few.

The one percent is no accident - This possibility/probability was enforced by a very powerful being/s.
I suggest the Urantia book if you really want a ride that goes beyond our Earth, beyond our Solar System, beyond our Galaxy, and way, way beyond our Universe...

In regards to the constant question of "why don't they just come down here and fix everything, and give us free energy?"... Well, I'm pretty darn certain Nikola was a star visitor sent to aid humanity - we got the technology - it's just locked up in a security vault somewhere - alternative perception of ancient history may also indicate  free energy was in abundance throughout our HU-man history.

So now what? Do they really need to land and be all "The day the Earth stood still" style, and slap us around the face with a wet fish before we see whats laid before our eye's and beyond our 5 senses?

Certain communications indicate the last time they landed openly (Giza, Egypt) , it caused more harm than good. (The Law of One, Book One, Ra).

And I'll have you know - a UFO, that I do not believe was of Earthly origin, made it's self known to me.
If that's not all "The Day the Earth Stood Still", then I don't know what is...Only difference is I didn't panic and have a heart attack - My mind was just blown in knowing that the Government had lied to me, we are not alone, and science as I knew it was clearly wrong - who's got time to panic when your trying  to absorb this new reality? 

How many MILLIONS have shared mine or a similar experience? - There's is NO secret folks, only seriously flawed perception on our part. Get sky watching. Took me over a year to catch my latest - but I caught it the other day 

ETA: I suggest the UFO I speak about in this post is not of Earthly origin, as it didn't move a milimetre until it wished to do so, and it's did not produce a single amp of sound, even during 'acceleration'. Billy Meier's Beam ships were not even capable of that - I doubt us humans could accomplish this just yet. Extra-dimentional maybe? ET, all the same to me.

I agree with Deuems lengthy post - we cannot begin to comprehend the occupants, until we comprehend the infinite possibilities of the creation manifest.

[ArMaP]

From an academic point of view - this guys opinion trumps yours 

Monolith = one rock

PS: Mars has more than one moon, so, saying "visit the moon of Mars" is not correct, regardless of who says it.

[1Worldwatcher]

Great thread Pimander, some very intellectual mind's deliberating over this so called 'Debacle' with in true understanding of such topical matter's. I have read every post, and have even reread some of the more "Self Interpreted" possibilities of what is actually going on with in this elusive field of after thought over the Alien vs Reality propagated ideologies.

Though I am biased with Matrix's explanation for full understanding, and find his interpretation's very enlightening, using 'First Person Avatar' type of explanation's and referencing the Biblical versus as a point of the interpretation's for attempting Matrix's understanding of such thing's, it becomes quite relevant that we are 'TRULY' writing our own stories individually, regardless of the what other people may think of these self divulged interpretation's with in understanding.

Deuem's Fish explanation allows me too visually and logically comprehend that there is some kind of 'Pecking Order' with in species that are prone to look for such thing's as dominant leader qualities. This we (Or should I say 'I' ) have categorically substantiated as the "Survival of the fittest" characteristic. And leads to a whole species genre of accepted natural order of things such as aquatic life and their apparent societal order of thing's, but let me clarify, I use the word "Accepted" very loosely here for self interpretation of the apparent witnessed pecking order that Deuem has extrapolated on when it comes to "Schooling" or "Colonizing" as he had explained seemed to be going on.

Though I cannot definitively and correspondingly relate Humankind's to fish species, there seems to be an underlining similarity into the whole 'Pecking order' of societal acceptance, especially when it comes to something that is coincidentally an accepted "Species/Societal Norm" with in different genre's of life species.

As far as us, and something that I have seen that is over looked here with in the conversation is the process of what begot's 'Reality' and for me this is the Finite point of conceptualize thought and acting on such thought's. 

Though I know we can all attest to the what our reality may or may not be, we have to adamantly agree that with in the power of 'Choice' lie's the fundamental moment of where 'Thought' and the thinking process produce's said "None Existence" into  a reality state of factually being.

Just as we are trying to fully understand the posing enigma of the apparent twin Electron theory, which is when an Electron exists in one place and time, there is an Identical Electron (Somewhere) that is with in either another dimensional state or time, but exact none the less. Whether the Electron is doing the same thing at any given moment from one locale to another, we do have a good idea there is two of the same design and configuration.

When wagering the whole "The Extraterrestrial Hypothesis" we have to conclusively acknowledge that whether or not there is explanation for how these thing's work or how they are accepted, it is from the very moment when something has triggered the mechanism that is naturally with in us as a specie's to derive to the realm's of 'reality' or 'Misinterpretation' of said experience's. This is where individual conceptual deductive reasoning becomes an issue of "The Experience" and fundamentally thwart's any real conclusive evidence from being shared or irrefutable for disclosing the truth of the experience.

Though 'I' have "No Doubt" if the Hypothesis you are bringing up here as too if the Alien's are real or not, this is my personal experience, it really happened, it was a moment that changed my 'Young' life very early, and though I had one verifying witness to the event and what it meant to both of us, that person has now passed away but remain's with out a doubt the most pivotal instance of my life to allow me to "Make the Choice" of what my reality may truly en-tale with in my thought perception's and interpretation's of those thing's that are apparently other worldly too be fully acceptable as "Fact" and not mere "Speculation" of "What was it I have experienced or seen" kind of deductive reasoning.

Before "Reality" with in our realms of existence is achieved, we must confess that before it was a reality, it was merely thought and ideologies of what has been working it's way to fruition.

I hope I have given the importance of how the "Power of Choice" plays a necessary role with in our reality, and that even though we discuss and deliberate here, there are some of us that need not to either be convinced or guided to these conclusion's, I have my Own answer's to these quandaries, and they are not Hypothetical's, they are a part of who I now am. Both with in perception and thought deductive instances that have seemingly made their way too me a few times over my life, and I know that this was not a man made object, it was not being imposed on me by influence's of or by other's. It happened without explanation.

Just as Deuem's fish have apparently showed some form of order with in the chaos of what is a fishes life, it seems there may be a protocol for all living thing's, regardless of how elusive or other worldly, it may come down to the simple but power of "Choice" to fully grasp these potentials. 

Interesting topic Pimander, hope I didn't side track off topic here, but it is the ever elusive answer for exacting truth's we so wish we had, irrefutably and can prove with tangible evidence. "We are Writing our own Book" as matrix would say, with every choice and idea we act upon, and that there is without a doubt.

1WW