The Extraterrestrial Hypothesis: Pure misdirection?

[Amaterasu]

I do contemplate the idea that, in this infinite universe, "evolution" is not a linear thing.  Just because it took X years on THIS planet for intelligent life to evolve, does not follow that in EVERY case it takes about the same length of time.

For example, it could have been that conditions were just right, and happenstance also perfect such that an intelligent race evolved in 1/10th the time.  Asserting that "not enough time has passed" when the specifics of any planet are unknown seems...presumptuous?

Just sayin'.

[Anthra]

I do contemplate the idea that, in this infinite universe, "evolution" is not a linear thing.  Just because it took X years on THIS planet for intelligent life to evolve, does not follow that in EVERY case it takes about the same length of time.

For example, it could have been that conditions were just right, and happenstance also perfect such that an intelligent race evolved in 1/10th the time.  Asserting that "not enough time has passed" when the specifics of any planet are unknown seems...presumptuous?

Just sayin'.

Yeah, it does, doesn't it? But, you need to understand that there are very specific natural forces at play here. They follow their own, rather specific rules. This results in a process that while not truly "standard" can be viewed as "standard" for practical purposes.

In other words, all stars, and their planets are formed by the same rather specific mechanisms; these various instances all follow the same rather specific rules.

In the case of these young stars; the bombardment of the planetary surface IS going to continue for several hundred million years after star and planet formation, How long depends on the accretion disk, size of the rocks, and a lot of factors. But, something we can count on is that the planet is going to be bombarded for its entire life time. How long it actually takes to become habitable after formation is of course, widely variable.

Also, consider; Earth is 4.5 billion years old, Zeta Reticuli is about 3 billion years; both have life forms at about the same stage of evolution. Earth, I originally thought should be "typical"; I now think Earth has been "held back". First by the local stellar environment...Earth suffered any "setbacks" in 4.5 billion years. Humans have been held back at least 1000 years. Zeta Reticuli, I think is rather young for the level of evolution its life has.

So, as you say; evolution is not a linear thing. But, we can still apply Bayesian inference and probability and find the "range" within which all this operates. Thus making it possible to apply such logic and determine, within logical limits, what a star's life forms may be.

And there are other "rules" as well...like "all complex sentient space-faring species are evolving toward Human. (yes I know how bold that statement is...you will find it is true). All space-faring species are their home world's apex predator.

[Amaterasu]

I follow the logic, and say that overall, this is a good rule of thumb, but it seems virtually anything is possible in this wide, wide universe, and I would not fully rule out the possibility that circumstances and happenstances aligned just so to bring forth an intelligent species in "record" time.

[Anthra]

Yes, well that's where I start; develop a "rule of thumb" and apply it, modify as necessary. Its never perfect, but, a good starting point is always helpful.

[Pimander]

For clarity, I do not believe that that all contact experiences are pure hallucination.  On the other hand, I do not buy that they are what they are popularly believed to be.  There is to my knowledge nothing even resembling good evidence that "abductions" and similar contact experiences have anything to do with extraterrestrials.

Channelling is as old as the wind.  I do think it is a real contact with "intelligence" of some description.  That is very different to the intelligence being literally a "space brother" here to save us after a detour from the Pleiades.

Sure: Betty and Barney Hill. More specifically their "map".

Hill's map

Sorry to say it, but the above sketch is not credible evidence that "The Greys" are actual extraterrestrials from Zeta Reticuli.  I won't get deeply into a debate about whether that sketch is credible evidence based on the Fish interpretation.  Why?



It is a view from a point in space (not here).  It could easily be obtained in a "dream" by a technique widely known on this site.  Remote viewing.

Even if you accept that the Hill's map is really a map drawn from some point in space, it can mean many things.  Knowledge can be obtained in many ways.  If you believe in Psi and certain noetic phenomena then you should know that already.  That is the danger with interpreting according to a pre-conceived notion.

Don't know how they built the pyramids?  Aliens.

Don't know how humans evolved?  Aliens.  (Or could it be the aquatic ape?)

See at least 30 saucers a day in 1947?  Aliens.

Don't understand something.  It's aliens.  EVERY TIME!

When you start to discuss 30 or 40 races of alien and produce virtually no credible evidence that they exist, you make UFOlogists look like a bunch of idiots.  Well I'm not an idiot.  That may make me unpopular with certain folk.  That is absolutely fine with me.  It's a small price to pay.

That combined with the fact the Zeta Reticuli 2 is a class "G2" star, approximately 3 billion years old, add in common myth and you have a rather high probability that the "Short Grays" are from Zeta Reticuli.

Pardon?  There are millions - no billions - of stars of every class in the Galaxy.  There are thousands of myths about many stars.  There are in fact far more myths about Sirius, the Plaiades, Orions stars, Polaris and the planets.  Why?  Because those objects are the most remarkable things you can see in the sky apart from the Sun and Moon. 

By the way; if you say you are from Timbuktu, that data is sufficiently credible for use until better data is acquired...at least if you "look" like you might be from Timbuktu.

Except I could also be from Nottingham.  Or Scotland.  Both are more accurate.

I can also prove I actually exist.  I can give a blood sample,  a photograph of me and even shake your hand.  Find me 30 or 40 extraterrestrial races who can do that!

Ouiji board Operator:  "Is there anybody there".....

Turns out the spirit claims to be Adolf Hitler.  What do you think.  Credible or....

They say they are an alien from the Pleaides?  Credible or....



I think that ultimately, the ET hypothesis is a reasonable one but is an incomplete explanation for the variety of experienced phenomena.  I also think that certain UFO cases could well indicate ETs.  The answer to the UFO mystery is Not UFOs are piloted by ETs.  Most - including most of the "unexplained" cases - are not.

Same goes for a number of phenomena that appear to be more likely something symbiotic with human consciousness.  Abduction and channelling seem to be related to this.

Talking about 30 or 40 species and detailing their physical characteristics and relations with humans and even their politics is fanciful BS.

[stealthyaroura]

This is why I have a Hard time with material like "The Terra papers" whilst it's a very creative piece of work, as well as seeming a logical theory, it's also the most illogical 
Forget the lack of physical evidence and the scientific facts (we're being lied to you say?)
it's far too simple an explanation.

Now whether there is any truth mixed in amongst it ? Who knows? Ananunaki?

The channeling phenomenon, that's an interesting and complex topic in its self, it's a subject I have yet to really get my teeth into as far as going back in history to see where it first started to get linked to the UFO phenomenon,but yes it crops up time and time again with stories of friendly alien contact and there offers of enlightenment etc.
The whole UFO topic goes around in circles, every few years it becomes THE cool fad with a new set of "credible experts" with a new twist on an old tale.

Looking at Karl's recent thread recounting all the different encounters, I mean WTF?

Something is going on, but what??!!
I think when the facts are looked at properly the truth sometimes is a let down and the story is far more enjoyable with a bit of BS thrown in. Of course it turns the whole subject into a joke The hardcore believers will have us believe this is all part of the plan to keep the truth hidden!
Like ghosts story's told round the camp fire. We love this stuff.

Go down the serious research path and your average believer may be disappointed with the facts when they are found. The balloon has burst, the show can't go on & Dr Greer can't have that!
He needs to make a living ya know.
Me? Fence sitter

[Pimander]

People forget a lot of what they are aware of in my opinion.  How many of you have read about psychotronic weapons but still don't connect it to any of the phenomena that appear to defy rational explanation?  I'm not going to say more than that except it isn't rocket science, it is an altogether different one that we apparently have a blind spot for.

[A51Watcher]

Pim -

I note in Karl's occupant thread scads of aliens without needing helmets as you pointed out (to my mind greys seem to dominate this category), however there seems to be plenty that DO require helmets.

Perhaps they came up from an underwater base or are indeed ET.

The greys appear to have a vested interest in us, so keeping a close eye on us would seem reasonable, and doing so from close proximity would also make sense, as you have postulated.

Their keen interest in our Atomic activities would also make perfect sense from this perspective.




 

[A51Watcher]

Me? Fence sitter

Stealthy -

You make some good points.

I have to ask if you have looked over my 'Day Before Roswell' thread, and what you make of that hurricane of reports of wildly advanced technolgy.

[Sinny]

How many of you have read about psychotronic weapons but still don't connect it to any of the phenomena that appear to defy rational explanation?  I'm not going to say more than that except it isn't rocket science, it is an altogether different one that we apparently have a blind spot for.

Hooraa!!!

I keep bangin on about this shizzle with no effect!! lol

[Sinny]

The greys appear to have a vested interest in us

Alternatively, we have and invested interest in them 

Oh why does nobody ever follow my crazy leads?  aha.

[robomont]

After doing some research here lately.im more inclined to believe in grays.i havent read the whole thread so forgive me.
I think the reason for the foreign troops in ohio is because of wright patman base.thats where the roswell craft ended up along with lots of russian craft.maybe a stargate type cooperation is going on.i read an article the other day that said the un runs it now.the vid i posted on peru ufo stated that multiple nations are involved.this would explain foreign troops on our soil.cheney was asked once about aliens and his exact words were who knows.who-world health organization is run by the un.
As far as where they come from.some folks claim they have webbing between fingers and toes.plus the color folks describe seems alot like dolphins skin and eyes.could greys be a hybrid of human and dolphin.

[Pimander]

After doing some research here lately.im more inclined to believe in grays.

Why?

The aquatic thing is interesting if we are sure it is correct.  It would also indicate cryptoterrestrial and be a good hint where they have hidden for so long.

[sky otter]

cryptoterrestrial


learnt a new word today P..tanks.   




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_Tonnies

The cryptoterrestrial hypothesis was developed in Tonnies's blog, and later published posthumously. It proposes that extraterrestrial beings are actually mysterious and secretive races of earthly origin. These races have existed upon Earth for at least as long as humanity, and present themselves as extraterrestrials or occult beings. Some[who?] have suggested that this is an extension of the ideas of Richard Shaver.

Mac Tonnies (20 August 1975 – 18 October 2009 was an American author and blogger whose work focused on futurology, transhumanism and paranormal topics. Tonnies grew up in Independence, Missouri, and attended William Chrisman High School and Ottawa University. He lived in Kansas City, Missouri. Tonnies had an active online presence and a "small, but devoted" readership, but supported himself by working at Starbucks and other nine-to-five jobs. In 2009 he died of cardiac arrhythmia at the age of 34.

His first book, a collection of science fiction short stories titled Illumined Black, was published by Phantom Press Publications in 1995, when Tonnies was in college. It carried a cover blurb by Bruce Sterling and was positively reviewed in Booklist. His second book, After the Martian Apocalypse, was published by Simon & Schuster in 2004. His third book, The Cryptoterrestrials, was published posthumously by Anomalist Books in 2010.

In November, 2012, Redstar Books published the first volume of Posthuman Blues, which contains excerpts from Tonnies' long-running blog of the same name. In the introduction, historian Aaron John Gulyas writes that, "Posthuman Blues is of a piece with the Lost Generation of the 1920s and the Beat Generation of the 1950s. Tonnies spoke for his generation with passion, eloquence, and a rare insight."

In 2007 the play Doing Time, which he co-wrote with Canadian filmmaker Paul Kimball (who was working on a documentary about Tonnies), premiered in Halifax, Nova Scotia. He also appeared in the documentary Best Evidence: Top 10 UFO Sightings, and an episode of the Canadian television series Supernatural Investigator.

His blog, "Posthuman blues" was described by The Pitch as "one of Kansas City's best blogs, filled with well-written, intelligent takes on offbeat news items and humorous rants from a left-leaning political perspective."

He appeared on Coast to Coast AM in September 2009.[12][better source needed]

[stealthyaroura]

Stealthy -

You make some good points.

I have to ask if you have looked over my 'Day Before Roswell' thread, and what you make of that hurricane of reports of wildly advanced technolgy.

Yeah, I love the thread "the day before Roswell" shows there was a hell of a lot of ufo's leading up to the "incident" at roswell and they carried on after.
A flap worldwide.

Who has been blasting the psi weapons? The aviary bunch?
Probably, have the aliens been using these teqniqes too?
I do like the Inter-dimensional hypothesis.
comfy fence.