The Extraterrestrial Hypothesis: Pure misdirection?

[Sinny]

In fact are you certain there was a real Dr Peter Beter who has a doctorate from a University in Washington?

Here's his published book:



Here's a journalist that seems to think he existed:



Here's his obtituary, and apparently a whole family you can trace:



Here is/was his wife:



I could go on...

Question:  A quick google search finds all this information. Why the denial and lack of research on your behalf Pimander?

[Pimander]

Question:  A quick google search finds all this information. Why the denial and lack of research on your behalf Pimander?

I did a quick Google but that was all.  Being one person, I can't look into everything in detail, that is what collaboration is for.  I was told it was likely a joke and moved on to other material but apart from that I had no reason to lean in any direction.

I'll have a look at what he has to say about psychotronics.  Thanks for the info.

His parents must have been right bastards to call their kid that. LOL 


ETA:  There is still a part of me that can't believe that was his birth name.

[Freelancer]

Almost 40 years ago.... I watched a debate on the Pierre Burton show between a lady 'Archaeologist' and Erik von Danekin...

He was calm. presented his evidence but did not claim it as truth, saying it was up to the viewer to make up their own mind..

The  lady 'Archaeologist' on the other hand resorted to the age old tool of skeptics... if you can't prove them wrong, attack their character, yell and stomp your feet, and hope no one calls you on it...

Well in the end Pierre said "While I don't agree with your conclusions, I declare you winner of this debate because you stuck to your guns and remained calm" (paraphrased)

That was when I started looking at Ancient Aliens


Now today. 65 years after Roswell, we still have no Alien corpse, we have no photo of ONE alien that can be independently verified and we have not ONE piece of a crashed saucer despite the HUNDREDS that have supposedly crashed.

We have a myriad of UFO and Alien Hunters out there combing the desert, making symposiums and telling stories... yet still not even ONE verifiable nut or bolt from a crashed saucer

We have a myriad of UFO sightings, Alien abduction stories, etc etc

Then we see the recent shutdown of the Government over a petty squabble over the budget, we see Snowden spill the beans on the NSA spying  and we are to believe that this government and all world governments have manages to keep this under wraps all these years?


We at Pegasus are one of the few groups that have MANY contacts 'in the field'  Joe Resnick and Jack Arneson have both given me accounts of Alien encounters. I have been privy to many military secrets and leads  and just as many good stories...

But in the end... even we have nothing HARD CORE that can be considered PROOF  (not counting the footage of A51 and Bob But that is only proof to us, not something you can lay on CNN that all will believe)


So..

SOMETHING is not right...

I have been seeking for over 40 years... I am running out of time. What I see happening on the UFO circuit is the old timers are slowly dying off, or going for the money. There have been no new whistle blowers

Guys like Nick Pope IMO have turned out to be stooges... I talked to him, heard him at that speech in Vegas... he is not a believer

Will I give up? No because the stories I get are still fascinating and on the Military front, I have been able to say many times "We told you so years ago"

But still  not ONE ALIEN yet

Way back in 1968-69 I came across a book called Chariot of the Gods by Eric Von Däniken and like so many others, it was this very introduction into ancient mysteries that started for me at least, a lifetime of further research into this area.  I have lost count the number of books, articles, video's, reports, posts I have read and watched on UFO's, Aliens, conflicting Conspiracies Theory's etc that after all these years I doubt everything, to the point where if I asked myself the question 'would I know the truth if I saw it?' I would be hard pushed to say I would.   Much of what I believe in has been crafted over the years by what I have learn't , it may not all be true but it's what's I 'feel' makes sense to me , as an individual.

For some, their comes a time in our life when our mind is so crammed with conflicting ideas that the only way to make better sense of what we have learned is to put-aside the vast majority of it and to re-evaluate the 'BASICS' of what is considered as 'FACT'.  I.E those facts that have we have no clear explanation for, yet it exists.  The Great Pyramid exists yet is surrounded in controversy with few facts to back them up.

The ET hypothesis is a classic example of an enigma.  There is certainly evidence (IMO) of ET presence throughout our ancient history through cave and rock art and references in clay tablets to name but a few examples,  but a skeptic might say it's all down to how we interpret these references that makes us see what we want to see.   Remember the Face on Mars? From a certain angle it does look like a human face, yet from a different perspective it's just a few nondescript hills with shadows across them.

I'm with zorgon, I WANT TO SEE REAL PROOF of ET's existence, yet despite all these so called government leaks of recent years we still don't have any solid written evidence let alone pieces of wreckage, bodies or alien artifacts etc.  The question is, can a secret this BIG really be kept so tightly controlled after all these years?  The simply answer is Yes it can but only if it's core is well camouflaged with unlimited resources to plan and organize misinformation on many levels through outlets such as news, TV, Films and Books.
   
Perhaps one of the most dubious sources for the existence of ET's ' is from those who claim or alleged have/are in contact with 'aliens'.  I'm sure we can all list several known people from this category just from the top of our heads, and yet, in all my years of looking for some kind of ET proof, only ONE person (for me at least) has ever come close to giving me some hope that 'they' actually exist!.   

Before i mention this person, ask yourself this question, under our present world situation, what would constitute as definite proof of ET's existence for you ?

Would it be a declassified military report? or perhaps a Whistle Blower with a high security clearance within a government department?  or perhaps a video of an ET or craft? or perhaps a major government like the UK, or France,Germany or Canada going rogue and announces to the world that ET's really exist and are already here, not that this is ever going to happen.   Or perhaps if you saw a UFO fly across your house one night would that constitute as real proof of their existence?

The fact is, the more we know about this multifaceted subject the less reliable all our information becomes, simply because there is so many conflicting sources of evidence that we really don't know for sure what is fact and what is fiction. Fact and fiction is one and the same, we are all tainted with it.

With the lack of clear and concise proof it all boils down to that unscientific human feeling of gut-instinct!

My gut instinct tells me Sanni Ceto constitutes a positive example towards a possible ET presence here on Earth.  Her appearance and manner is opposite from what most people would 'expect' someone connected with ET would look and behave and her past history would fit someone with mental problems. Proof doesn't always come in neat, easy to digest packages as Hollywood depicts.  I have to ask myself, Is it possible that we are so used to looking for the truth amongst the misinformation that we know is out their, among the fraudsters and hoaxers  that when something comes along that doesn't fit our perception of what is 'normal' , that we can easily find ourselves missing a possible link in the ET enigma!

I've seen this video many times, if you have'nt then I would recommend watching it with an open mind.

 

[Sinny]

For some, their comes a time in our life when our mind is so crammed with conflicting ideas that the only way to make better sense of what we have learned is to put-aside the vast majority of it and to re-evaluate the 'BASICS' of what is considered as 'FACT'.  I.E those facts that have we have no clear explanation for, yet it exists.  The Great Pyramid exists yet is surrounded in controversy with few facts to back them up.

The ET hypothesis is a classic example of an enigma.......

Great post, gold for this..

I'm with zorgon, I WANT TO SEE REAL PROOF of ET's existence, yet despite all these so called government leaks of recent years we still don't have any solid written evidence let alone pieces of wreckage, bodies or alien artifacts etc.

Billy Meier provided metal samples, and evidence in abundance. Why is this always over looked? lol

The question is, can a secret this BIG really be kept so tightly controlled after all these years?

No, that's why we're here discussing the matter 

The simply answer is Yes it can

No, it can't 
   

Perhaps one of the most dubious sources for the existence of ET's ' is from those who claim or alleged have/are in contact with 'aliens'.

AGREED!

I'm sure we can all list several known people from this category just from the top of our heads, and yet, in all my years of looking for some kind of ET proof, only ONE person (for me at least) has ever come close to giving me some hope that 'they' actually exist!.   

Before i mention this person, ask yourself this question, under our present world situation, what would constitute as definite proof of ET's existence for you ?

Would it be a declassified military report? or perhaps a Whistle Blower with a high security clearance within a government department?  or perhaps a video of an ET or craft? or perhaps a major government like the UK, or France,Germany or Canada going rogue and announces to the world that ET's really exist and are already here, not that this is ever going to happen.   Or perhaps if you saw a UFO fly across your house one night would that constitute as real proof of their existence?

...All of the above?

The fact is, the more we know about this multifaceted subject the less reliable all our information becomes

AGREED!

simply because there is so many conflicting sources of evidence that we really don't know for sure what is fact and what is fiction. Fact and fiction is one and the same, we are all tainted with it.

With the lack of clear and concise proof it all boils down to that unscientific human feeling of gut-instinct!

The Ironic thing is, after having stated all that you have stated - you still  go on to present....drum roll please....

Sanni Ceto

'Commander' Sanni's webpage:
http://sanniceto.tripod.com/

Due to influences beyond our control, Sanni has asked that her Web pages be removed.

She continues to be harassed by certain individuals who have no clue about her integrity and her compassion in reaching out to help others.

THANK YOU!  Sanni wishes to thank everyone who has contacted her in the last several years. If you want more information about Sanni's art and her books, please visit Earth Star Publications.

Observations hosted by Golden age of Gaia:

Sanni Ceto claims to be the reincarnation of the Zeta Reticulan commander of one of the spacecraft that crashed at Roswell, New Mexico in 1947. She died around a month after the crash (1) and says she was required to reincarnate on Earth as karmic recompense for having violated "Prime Directive One rules, as stated via the Council in our own home world" – namely, not to interact or interfere with the civilizations of other planets; especially backward, warlike planets like Earth.

From the really awful experiences she's had at the hands of terrestrials in this lifetime, it sounds as if she's learned why not to violate that directive!

Sanni accepts responsibility for having caused the death of her crew members and gives a quite different view of Zeta Reticuli or little Greys than many other authors. I acknowledge Jude on Share11 for having steered me to Sanni's site, following her discussion of Sanni's comments to Mel Fabrigas about Comet Elenin. That interview can be found at . Sanni's site is to be found at http://sanniceto.tripod.com/

What follows here's an excerpt from an interview with Ann Ulrich in 1999. It's definitely outside our normal frame of reference, but what isn't these days?

http://goldenageofgaia.com/disclosure/who-are-the-extraterrestrials/sanni-ceto-stranded-on-earth/

No endorsement?

My gut instinct tells me Sanni Ceto constitutes a positive example towards a possible ET presence here on Earth.  Her appearance and manner is opposite from what most people would 'expect'

My gut instinct is screaming Buuulllshizzle. She's also exactly as I would expect. Her story is one straight from abuse and remnants of Star Trek. She broke the 'Prime Directive' (and continues do so by the way  ), she was most animated and exited whilst talking about her ship, and how the shields failed - It's like Captain Janeway's been re-incarnated 

I also looked at the general consensus. She has devout supporters who all seem to agree that her story is true, because ...well..It's just so damn MOVING..

I notice she is good with her linguistic skills (contrary to what she states) , she captures and engages a wide range of emotions with her drastic highs and lows, and cliff hanging peaks - just before that fleeting, sombre look down to the ground...

Meh, I don't know her life story - but I'm inclined to not believe her fantasy version of it.

Thanks for the info, I'm taking somebody's advice and exploring this subject matter in detail, it's stimulating to exchange idea's

[Eighthman]

One point:

First, after reading Timothy Good's latest book, I found his accounts about encounters by humans with Aliens to generally have one thing in common:  The Aliens are dumb.  Blissfully unaware.  Even stupid.

That puzzles me.  Could it be that  (if this stuff really happened) they are the logical outcome of what we already observe in our own world?  Bill Nye gets booed for asserting that the moon glows because it reflects the Sun.  An engineering student in a major University asks 'aren't decibels just for audio'?  I could go on but the gap between new tech and real understanding of science or critical thinking just gets worse.

So, maybe there really are Aliens who meet ordinary humans who tell them, "you need to tell the world nuclear weapons and pollution are bad". Or they show up and offer benefits if we give up such weapons (Yeah, sure, we'll get right on that).
Maybe they are the logical outcome of breeding beautiful (alien)people who are models or urban metrosexuals.  Handsome and utterly ignorant of the complexity of human problems.

OTOH, I am heartened by claims that large numbers of Aliens actually live among us.  By doing so (if true), they could be of enormous benefit - not superficial Galactic tourists.

[Ellirium113]

OTOH, I am heartened by claims that large numbers of Aliens actually live among us.  By doing so (if true), they could be of enormous benefit - not superficial Galactic tourists.

Like religions UFOlogists all want to believe and know the agenda...If "UFOlogist A" says The aliens are from one place and have "agenda A", But "UFOlogist B" says they also met aliens from another place with "Agenda B", WHY DO WE SEEM TO BE DEBATING WHICH IS CORRECT?

In my opinion it is crucial we look back to the earliest evidence possible and rebuild a timeline of visitations and events. Only from this might one get a more accurate picture. Today it seems that there is no longer just "UFOlogist A" & "B" but entire alphabets with similar stories. We need to look back to stories that pre-exist the idea of profiteering off of stories and before the age of video editing etc. No one will find the single atom of truth in a sea of mud.

[Anthra]

So the map is wrong then?  Don't forget, there are an infinite number of points in the galaxy that can be used to find a match with the Hill "map".

No Pie, the map is not wrong! While it may contain a 7% error, introduced by Ms Fish by the way, the error is only the identification of a single star.


And there is another star in the same constellation to replace it. So with that small exception, the map is highly accurate. Further, every single star on the "route" traced by the map is a star that is considered habitable.

Some of the stars have known planets. One such star Tau Ceti has two planets inside it's HZ both highly capable of supporting life as it is known here on Earth.

Y'all might want to go over to ATS and find the latest thread on the Hill-Fish map. It is an extremely good read. (has my maps).

The accuracy of the map also lends quite a lot of credibility to the whole story. It increases the probabilities of it being "real" quite dramatically.

[stealthyaroura]

It's like Captain Janeway's been re-incarnated

Bwhahaha.......sigh that's funny. I need to get out more.
Sanni ceto indeed! :-/ no I don't buy her story one bit.
It stinks of attention seeking and only plays into the most gullible of the contactee followers.
She comes out with a few inconsistencies and contradictions too that just put me off.
If we're talking what would each of us present as proof of ET as in physical evidence  I find the nazca lines fascinating well it's the part where an entire mountain to has been removed and just flattened.

That and all the famous huge stone wall sites like Machu Picchu.
What would you guys cite?

[Anthra]

OTOH, I am heartened by claims that large numbers of Aliens actually live among us.  By doing so (if true), they could be of enormous benefit - not superficial Galactic tourists.

It is unfortunate that the others (other ETs) won't disclose themselves and at least attempt to make a real difference. I'd really like to feel that I'm not the only one that cares for Terrestrial Humans, and Earth.

Course, then again, when we do self-disclose we are branded.

It is kind of interesting: Terrestrials want ET to contact the Earth, yet when ET tries he becomes delusional. Thankfully there are small instances where the residents aren't quite so "closed".

[ArMaP]

If we're talking what would each of us present as proof of ET as in physical evidence  I find the nazca lines fascinating well it's the part where an entire mountain to has been removed and just flattened.

That and all the famous huge stone wall sites like Machu Picchu.
What would you guys cite?

Nothing, I haven't seen a thing that I think is physical evidence of the presence of extra terrestrial intelligent beings on Earth.

[zorgon]

Billy Meier provided metal samples, and evidence in abundance. Why is this always over looked? lol

simple...

A) Were are these samples and who analysed them?
B) much of that "evidence in abundance" was obviously faked so most people will dismiss all of it out of hand

[zorgon]

For some, their comes a time in our life when our mind is so crammed with conflicting ideas that the only way to make better sense of what we have learned is to put-aside the vast majority of it and to re-evaluate the 'BASICS' of what is considered as 'FACT'.  I.E those facts that have we have no clear explanation for, yet it exists.  The Great Pyramid exists yet is surrounded in controversy with few facts to back them up.

The Great Pyramis does NOT require Aliens... it simply requires a long lost past civilization like Atlantis or Lemuria. These two civilizations are taught by Rosicrucian and Mason traditions. The Tibetans claim we are the FITH civilization on this earth. There is plenty of time in geological history to account for more than one civilization having arisen and been destroyed.

We are finding ooparts all the time... we know main stream archaeologist deliberatly hide discoveries that don't fit their accepted beliefs. Seems every year a new discover is made that pushes civilization further back.

America itself was created to be the NEW ATLANTIS by it's Rosicrucian/Mason founders.  Not Alien... just Ancient Civilizations.

On top of that there IS too much information  and particulary FALSE information like the latest "Mayan stones showing aliens" that Nassim Haramein (handled by Dr Rausher) has been presenting even on National Geographic

I just saw a video today by Stanton Friedman using a piece of Bob Lazar's Area 51 footage as proof of UFO's and yet he calls Bob Lazar a fraud... What A SCHMUCK!!!!

Dr Lier says he removes alien implants and has a piece of Roswell metal... but he won't let anyone else examine these items

Phil Schneider makes all sorts of Dulce claims then pulls the stupid "Corbomite manuever"

Dulce.. even John Lear told us about this, but i find ALL the Dulce material traces source to ONE person Cherry Hinkle who told it to John

Steve Greer starts up the "Disclosure Project" where they all swear they will testify before congress... BULLPOOP Congress doesn't give a rats ass... Testify to US  Show Us what you have... put it on the table and show US the documents...

Then we discover Greer is only in it for the money and is laughing at us selling 1000.00 a pop alien moth excursions...

Sgt Wolf of the "Disclosure Project" says he saw doctored images of moon bases from Lunar Orbiter. He tells us he worked at Langley for TWO WEEKS in June 1965 as a copier repair person... Well the first Lunar Orbiter flew in Nov 1966  Cute trick huh? And the images shown along with his "testimony" are Clementine 1994 images

I could go on

The ET hypothesis is a classic example of an enigma.  There is certainly evidence (IMO) of ET presence throughout our ancient history through cave and rock art and references in clay tablets to name but a few examples,  but a skeptic might say it's all down to how we interpret these references that makes us see what we want to see.

Yes I agree. I am pretty sure there were visits back then and I know we have had visits since... but they are scattered events and far and few between. However an Ancient Race on earth could also account for a lot of these artifacts. Take the 'light bulbs' in Egypt... they could simply be an interpretation of stories told from past civilizations. This oopart could easily be from a far past...  Does not have to be alien origin



The Antikythera mechanism - same thing... no other artifact found that lead up to that technology... it may have been and old piece our ancestors found from a previous civilization

Remember the Face on Mars? From a certain angle it does look like a human face, yet from a different perspective it's just a few nondescript hills with shadows across them.

Yes that face on mars really is a trick of light and shadows but most people will believe what they want to believe.. better watch it or be called a SHILL

I'm with zorgon, I WANT TO SEE REAL PROOF of ET's existence, yet despite all these so called government leaks of recent years we still don't have any solid written evidence let alone pieces of wreckage, bodies or alien artifacts etc.  The question is, can a secret this BIG really be kept so tightly controlled after all these years?  The simply answer is Yes it can but only if it's core is well camouflaged with unlimited resources to plan and organize misinformation on many levels through outlets such as news, TV, Films and Books.

Theoretically it could be controlled... but it would take a tremendous effort and a huge organization to meticulously watch everything. It would be easier if TRUE ET visits were far and few between... If that is true keeping a lid on the real visits is EASY by creating thousands of fakes and hoaxes.

IF however as most believe there are hundreds of aliens buzzing around aimlessly in our skies, then it would be impossible to not have stuff leak out. Just shear numbers dictates that something solid would leak out.

So I am thinking a FEW visits are real... most other valid sightings are plasma critters or black ups... the rest are all hoaxes
   

Perhaps one of the most dubious sources for the existence of ET's ' is from those who claim or alleged have/are in contact with 'aliens'.  I'm sure we can all list several known people from this category just from the top of our heads, and yet, in all my years of looking for some kind of ET proof, only ONE person (for me at least) has ever come close to giving me some hope that 'they' actually exist!.   

The internet is FILLED with people convinced that they have had contact... when questioned it usually comes out 'channeled' not actually physically met. There are thousands of lonely people who need to feel important and make all sorts of claims.. I am a Starseed, I am a Hybrid; Indigo Child; Pleaidian; etc etc  You name it they will claim it and you cannot shake them.

They usually are easy to spot... just ask a few pointed questions Most researchers will tell you that MOST people who have had a real experience generally are not comfortable bragging about it.

I have a few people I believe have possibly met one... Jack Arneson, Joe Resnick come to mind but do I have proof? Nope just their reputation. John has never met one (not sure if he met Lou Baldwins friend )

Before i mention this person, ask yourself this question, under our present world situation, what would constitute as definite proof of ET's existence for you ?

A handshake

Would it be a declassified military report?

That would certainly help, but it could still be psysops..

or perhaps a Whistle Blower with a high security clearance within a government department?

I have many of those on my contact list... it is STILL HEARSAY

or perhaps a video of an ET or craft?

A51Watcher has one of those... good but not as good as that handshake

or perhaps a major government like the UK, or France,Germany or Canada going rogue and announces to the world that ET's really exist and are already here, not that this is ever going to happen.

Won't happen but perhaps if they backed up that announcement with pictures and samples... then maybe

Or perhaps if you saw a UFO fly across your house one night would that constitute as real proof of their existence?

I saw one over a lake... but it could have been a black ops craft or a Critter To far way so it was a ball of light that moved from west to east over the lake in an undulating (wave) pattern, then suddenly reverse direction and shot up into space at high speed

Was it Aliens? no way to know... it was a true UFO and this was before I knew about black ops crafts and critters

The fact is, the more we know about this multifaceted subject the less reliable all our information becomes, simply because there is so many conflicting sources of evidence that we really don't know for sure what is fact and what is fiction. Fact and fiction is one and the same, we are all tainted with it.

Proof is simple... what we have is TONS of evidence but no proof.... Put an Alien on CNN for an interview and it will be very close to proof... but in the end... NOT as good as a simple handshake

With the lack of clear and concise proof it all boils down to that unscientific human feeling of gut-instinct!

My gut-instinct says they are not currently here. What people are channeling... well heck that COULD be anything, demons, imps or Loki, for all we know. Look at all those who have channeled aliens giving us a message that they will land on such and such a day... then are no shows... leaving the channeler looking the fool... Sounds like LOKI the Trickster to me

[zorgon]

It is unfortunate that the others (other ETs) won't disclose themselves and at least attempt to make a real difference. I'd really like to feel that I'm not the only one that cares for Terrestrial Humans, and Earth.

Course, then again, when we do self-disclose we are branded.

It is kind of interesting: Terrestrials want ET to contact the Earth, yet when ET tries he becomes delusional. Thankfully there are small instances where the residents aren't quite so "closed".

Well it is really simple...

IF ET is here... then ET has a spaceship parked somewhere ( or some sort of dimensional travel device )

So WHY is it so hard for me to get a quick ride up to the Farside of the Moon for a few quick pictures?

I have asked on many forums and facebook. Considering how many people CLAIM they are in constant contact with a Myriad of assorted Alien species... whenever it come down to it there is ALWAYS and excuse (or silence) when I ask for a quick lift

WHY is that?

OH and what system are you from?

[zorgon]

If we're talking what would each of us present as proof of ET as in physical evidence  I find the nazca lines fascinating well it's the part where an entire mountain to has been removed and just flattened.

That and all the famous huge stone wall sites like Machu Picchu.
What would you guys cite?

I personally would go with "Long Lost Ancient Civilization" that had the capability of flight, advance construction methods and nuclear (or similar) energy

I was studying Atlantis and Lemuria long before Aliens became the goto solution.

And if Aliens are indeed a factor... I will go with the Stargates as being the reality as opposed to hundreds of spaceships just aimlessly buzzing around our skies like bugs

Back at the old Pegasus yahoo group we had a 'visit' from someone claiming to be an ancient spirit. what  he told us was interesting and plausible but not Alien

The stargate portals do however provide a lot of material that also fits the old cave art etc...

[Anthra]

IF ET is here... then ET has a spaceship parked somewhere ( or some sort of dimensional travel device )

So WHY is it so hard for me to get a quick ride up to the Farside of the Moon for a few quick pictures?

WHY is that?

OH and what system are you from?

You won't like the answer. I don't like the answer. Mostly because its BS.

The answer: Politics. Plain and simple exopolitical bull shyte.

My system...
I'm told Galactic Andromeda. though Gliese 67 seems a good alternate, and its much closer.


Oh yeah...http://alien.wolfmagick.com ... my stuff.