FBI Bites On Bitcoins

[Pimander]

Could Bitcoins be a device to trap criminals?

[Amaterasu]

Just another money system - the psycopaths will always take over.

[zorgon]

MONEY is GOOD

GOLD is BETTER

[Pimander]

I can use a spade to dig a hole or to kill a person.  Is a spade useful or evil?

[Amaterasu]

MONEY is GOOD

GOLD is BETTER

Gold, like paper, electronic placeholders, shells and beads, is just another form of money.  I begin to see why You struggle with shifting paradigm.  [smile]

[Amaterasu]

I can use a spade to dig a hole or to kill a person.  Is a spade useful or evil?

Nothing inherently wrong with exchanging products of Our energy as token of that meaningful energy expended, per se.  But I have to ask, do spades elicit desire to the point One would incite war to gain more?  Do They promote the psychopathic in society?

Money itself is not the problem.  The LOVE of money (and the power it affords) IS.  The system has inherent flaws.  The LOVE of money is the root of all evil; remove the soil in which the root grows...and all We will have left to motivate Us is that We CARE.

[zorgon]

Well its like this...



I am 62... have serious medical issues

I will not live long enough to see your world of Robots (fortunately ) Least not in this incarnation

In the MEANTIME I need a place to live and I need to eat...

I would prefer to eat steak and lobster rather than bread and water

I would prefer to live in my nice big house rather then in a tent city (albeit I like tents that are comfortable )

To do this in the reality of here and now, I need MONEY

So I have put my mind to materializing MONEY

And what happens? Ask my daughter... as we drove home 2 days ago I turned by mistake down the street before ours... and LO and BEHOLD  a $100.00 bill was lying on the street...

I kid you not... had I not turned there and had the wind not moved that folded bill to let me spot it I would not have it.

This was funny because a biker came by just after and we joked that we had found that Geico commercial

But it is more... the day before I was thinking now that I have a car I would like to go to War and maybe go as a Merchant this time again...

So I had looked it up and the fee is $100.00  Now that includes two admission passes ($75.00 each value)   So it was like a smack in the face Here was that entry fee just dropped in my lap

So I had to open a new business account and found that NEVADA know does Sole Proprietor business licences for FREE...only $30.00 for a sales tax permit (used to be min $480.00 deposit) and $20 for a 5 year name registration.

Funny thing  I paid cash for that name reg.  and when I got home my bank called me and wanted to set up a free business account, as the County had already sent them the papers


So..

UNTIL your MAGIC KINGDOM of free everything run by Robots materializes...

I have to consider the CURRENT reality and go back to my MAGIC KINGDOM where at least I wear the Crown and can control my situation

[zorgon]

Money itself is not the problem.

There ya go

The LOVE of money (and the power it affords) IS.  The system has inherent flaws.  The LOVE of money is the root of all evil; remove the soil in which the root grows...and all We will have left to motivate Us is that We CARE.

The flaw in your logic is you IGNORE the middle road

Money used as it was MEANT TO BE USED... to achieve a goal, to live in comfort without stress, to allow you the freedom to use your time constuctively

NOT in the pursuit of money, but using money to make your life and those around you better.

You want to see a shift? Well that will require LOTS of MONEY to get the balling rolling. "Build it and they will come" is a truth..... you want to change a system, you first have to use the tools of that system to build the new system.

Otherwise you are merely blowing smoke

You cannot change the planet over night. Start with a small community to show it CAN be done, then spread the word. The majority of the people in the world today (Muslim, African overlords, Koreans and Chinese) are not even interested in listening to you.

So in the meantime... I am going to materialize my own situation. Put my money where my mouth is so to speak... and show by example that you CAN survive in the current sandbox  and sit by and watch the fools go by


And that spade? Yeah it can dig up gold and kill the guy coming to steal it Everything is relative

[Amaterasu]

from: zorgon on Today at 02:52:39 PM
Well its like this...
I am 62... have serious medical issues

I will not live long enough to see your world of Robots (fortunately ) Least not in this incarnation

First off, z, it is NOT a "world of robots."  It is a world of free Humans that use the tool of robots to fill in necessary work no One WANTS to do.  Or not enough People.  If You LOVE to stand on the assembly line, accommodations I am sure could be made:  robots would move over or Your position will NOT be filled...until You choose to quit.

Second, as I have said before, release free energy with a will to free Humanity from all robotic work and 5 to 10 years.

In the MEANTIME I need a place to live and I need to eat...

I would prefer to eat steak and lobster rather than bread and water

I would prefer to live in my nice big house rather then in a tent city (albeit I like tents that are comfortable )

To do this in the reality of here and now, I need MONEY

So I have put my mind to materializing MONEY

And what happens? Ask my daughter... as we drove home 2 days ago I turned by mistake down the street before ours... and LO and BEHOLD  a $100.00 bill was lying on the street...

I kid you not... had I not turned there and had the wind not moved that folded bill to let me spot it I would not have it.

This was funny because a biker came by just after and we joked that we had found that Geico commercial

But it is more... the day before I was thinking now that I have a car I would like to go to War and maybe go as a Merchant this time again...

So I had looked it up and the fee is $100.00  Now that includes two admission passes ($75.00 each value)   So it was like a smack in the face Here was that entry fee just dropped in my lap

So I had to open a new business account and found that NEVADA know does Sole Proprietor business licences for FREE...only $30.00 for a sales tax permit (used to be min $480.00 deposit) and $20 for a 5 year name registration.

Funny thing  I paid cash for that name reg.  and when I got home my bank called me and wanted to set up a free business account, as the County had already sent them the papers


So..

UNTIL your MAGIC KINGDOM of free everything run by Robots materializes...

I have to consider the CURRENT reality and go back to my MAGIC KINGDOM where at least I wear the Crown and can control my situation

Humans run it stigmergically.  And sure, get money now.  No issues with that.  Just that having People spread awareness rather than mock the ideas will surely speed the point where We ALL can consider them.  Just saying.

[The Seeker]

I am in the same boat as Zorgon; 56 years old with medical issues... was basically unemployed from july of 2009 until april of 2011 with a mortgage, no insurance, and blood clots... I survived, still have my house, have medical now and a job that pays the bills and keeps the larder stocked...because I refused to give up, refused to have it any other way, did not worry myself sick, stayed determined that I would not lose anything; and I didn't...

you have a vision of a utopia that is admirable,Amy; but you seem to overlook human nature; i would turn the robots off and have something to do to keep both my hands and mind occupied; most people would just sit on their steadily getting fatter ass watching tv and talking about someone else...


money is only evil when you let it control you thru greed and lust for the power it can give...

use it as a tool to fulfill your needs and your bliss is easier to attain...


seeker

[robomont]

in some ways money is amys dream its just when greed gets in the way that money is a burden.we are the robots.

the good part is to kill the dollar as we know it.robots would be the way.but then greedy people would just buy and control more bots.then instead of wars of money.we would have wars of bots.fighting over resources.that seems to be the future.robots will be like cellphones .slow at first then advancing very fast as more folks can afford them until finally amazon is offering them for cost and obama offers them through medicaid.
maybe the direction we should progress the tech is through electric wheelchair companies.they are in the right market position for this advancement.plus its fits in nicely with wall-E.

[zorgon]

If You LOVE to stand on the assembly line, accommodations I am sure could be made:  robots would move over or Your position will NOT be filled...until You choose to quit.

I don't thinks so...

IF I stayed on that assembly line I would be too slow compared to the Bots and would hold up that line  

Second, as I have said before, release free energy with a will to free Humanity from all robotic work and 5 to 10 years.

But that has been my point. Its not as simple as 'releasing' free energy. SOMEONE has to build the devices and the infrastructure that can make USE of this free energy. It would be nice BUT you cannot just drop a piece of Dark Matter into your gas tank and run your car

It will cost BILLIONS to create the free energy devices and convert the existing systems so everything can use them.  That initial cost and outlay of money is what is the limiting factor... because SOMEONE with the resources and the inclination will have to pony up and put his pocket book to work.

Solar power is a good example. Solar power is free... even devices to collect it are cheap... but that inverter and the batteries to store it and the installer to install it still are expensive. Once that is covered (the initial installation charge) from then on you have free energy...

A hydro electric dam uses free energy... Just like the old water wheel grain mills did, gravity alone feeds the turbines producing tons of free electricity. The same river can have 30 or more power plants creating free energy using the same water.  But its the infrastructure that is the block.

And to remove the initial cost infrastructure... a LOT of GOLD has to start the ball rolling... other wise it is just an idea on paper

Just that having People spread awareness rather than mock the ideas will surely speed the point where We ALL can consider them.  Just saying.

No one is mocking... just pointing out reality checks Awareness is good, but at some point to get from AWARENESS to IMPLIMINTATION Someone has to fork over LOTS OF MONEY to grease those wheels

[zorgon]

the good part is to kill the dollar as we know it.robots would be the way.but then greedy people would just buy and control more bots.then instead of wars of money.we would have wars of bots.fighting over resources.that seems to be the future.robots will be like cellphones .slow at first then advancing very fast as more folks can afford them until finally amazon is offering them for cost and Obama offers them through medicaid.

I do not yet know if Obama care is the Devil's Spawn or it can help me. I will let it unfold and see if I can go see a doctor soon for free.  I was always the go to guy never needed help... but I am no longer going to look a gift horse in the mouth.  Jury is out on that one

Re: THE ROBOTS

A long time ago.... in a Galaxy not that far away....

There are those who believe... that life here began out there, far across the Universe... with tribes of humans... who may have been the forefathers of the Egyptians... or the Toltecs... or the Mayans... that they may have been the architects of the Great Pyramids... or the lost civilizations of Lemuria... or Atlantis...

Some believe that there may yet be brothers of man... who even now fight to survive—somewhere far, far away amongst the stars.

In a distant star system, the Twelve Colonies Of Mankind were reaching the end of a thousand-year war with the Cylons, warrior robots created by a reptilian race which expired long ago, presumably destroyed by their own creations. Humanity was ultimately defeated in a sneak attack on their homeworlds by the Cylons, carried out with the help of a human traitor...

This story is truer than you can believe. I can (and will) document this soon (most likely on the website). In any case the TV version did their homework   And today we have THIS



Now ask me again why I will NOT support a Robot society

[Amaterasu]

I am in the same boat as Zorgon; 56 years old with medical issues... was basically unemployed from july of 2009 until april of 2011 with a mortgage, no insurance, and blood clots... I survived, still have my house, have medical now and a job that pays the bills and keeps the larder stocked...because I refused to give up, refused to have it any other way, did not worry myself sick, stayed determined that I would not lose anything; and I didn't...

Very glad You didn't!  I too was so determined and well, didn't work out as planned.

you have a vision of a utopia that is admirable,Amy;

No.  NOT "utopia."  Just a hell of a lot better a way to run things than NOW.

but you seem to overlook human nature; i would turn the robots off and have something to do to keep both my hands and mind occupied; most people would just sit on their steadily getting fatter ass watching tv and talking about someone else...

I again will reiterate, Wall-E is Disney propaganda.  We have couch potatoes now because They can't AFFORD to do what They WANT to do.  I challenge You to ask everyOne You encounter for a month what They would do if They could retire right now with an unlimited bank account.

I would love to discover how many would say, "Meh.  Sit around and watch TV all day."  How many would plan to do something that helps Those around Them or the planet as a whole.  See how many would go to school, become artists, produce plays, and on and on.  Would love to see Your data when You're done.

money is only evil when you let it control you thru greed and lust for the power it can give...

Not quite.  It also PROMOTES those kinds.  And there is no way around that without getting just as intrusive as the IRS and the NSA and mandating things like "You can only have X value..."

Rather, since We now have the tools for the first time in history to do it, Let's just bleeding do it.  It really is not THAT tough to do.

use it as a tool to fulfill your needs and your bliss is easier to attain...


seeker

Y'know, if everyOne had equal shot in this system of succeeding, and if everyOne could succeed, I might see Your point, but I can tell You straight on that an old lady is NOT going to be hired when there is a bevy of 20- and 30-somethings vying for every position.

As Dad used to say, "There's no such thing as fair."  So I never expected things to be fair.

When I see a practical path to solving most of the issues on this planet while freeing every Human Being from robotic work who WANTS to be free, I struggle to understand the lack of enthusiasm on the part of Others to share the ideas and discuss them.  I'm not saying "We gotta do this!"  I'm saying by My calculations Humanity would be FAR better off than NOW if We DID implement these ideas.

But it's not up to ME.  It's up to US.

[Amaterasu]

in some ways money is amys dream its just when greed gets in the way that money is a burden.we are the robots.

the good part is to kill the dollar as we know it.robots would be the way.but then greedy people would just buy and control more bots.then instead of wars of money.we would have wars of bots.fighting over resources.that seems to be the future.robots will be like cellphones .slow at first then advancing very fast as more folks can afford them until finally amazon is offering them for cost and obama offers them through medicaid.
maybe the direction we should progress the tech is through electric wheelchair companies.they are in the right market position for this advancement.plus its fits in nicely with wall-E.

Except, robo, You don't offer WHY We would do that, nor do You take into consideration that in abundance We ALL could be both armed to the teeth and shielded beyond breech.  We would presume that of Others, too. And lastly, You fail to provide MOTIVE.  And then there are issues of "buying" the robots.  People may HAVE the robots We choose to provide.