So Who Put That Flag On The Moon?

[Mikesingh]

Oh, wow Dave!! You've really blown the cover off that fake JAXA video!!

I particularly liked the craters that I've marked in white squares.....



Now the question is, why has JAXA fudged? Have they erased some stuff from the original and superimposed fake terrain there? In other words, were they trying to hide something? 

[Captain Dave]

Thanks Mike, just following your lead. 

"Now the question is, why has JAXA fudged?"

International space co-operation?
Intergalactic space co-operation?
Covering up evidence of current operations on the moon?
Covering up evidence of past civilization on the moon?
Covering up evidence that human-kind has risen an fallen multiple times including past travel to and from the moon?

Archaeological evidence of humankinds true past has been exposed over time including high tech technologies/information that they don't want the "public" to know about?

Because it could expose countless lies created over thousands of years by groups that became powerful because they knew the truth? ie Churches/Governments/Illuminati/Templars and many more - that all wish to remain in control of humankinds destiny?

Did some dude invent a "super-suit" billions of years ago that allowed him to live forever and now he's running the show with tech way beyond our own and we can't stop him?  lol thats right I said that!

Have the people from the future been traveling back in time to help fix human kinds past so their future will turn out better?

Hidden base on the moon so the "Secret World Government" can conduct business with beings from "elsewhere" in the Universe?

Plausible deniability?

I say we build a drone with a camera that feeds directly to YouTube and go ask them?

Next on the Captain Dave Show - Live interview with billion year old dude who created a "super-suit" that allows him to live forever!
(Eat your heart out Jacques Cousteau!)

[starwarp2000]

Did some dude invent a "super-suit" billions of years ago that allowed him to live forever and now he's running the show with tech way beyond our own and we can't stop him?

I don't even want to know how the 'waste disposal' system works 

Imagine the smell of 1 billion year old farts! 

[Ellirium113]

LOL Cpt. 

Did some dude invent a "super-suit" billions of years ago that allowed him to live forever and now he's running the show with tech way beyond our own and we can't stop him?   lol thats right I said that!

Hah...truth might be stranger than fiction in what you said (minus the super suit part) But that is for an entirely different thread.

[Ellirium113]

I don't even want to know how the 'waste disposal' system works 

Imagine the smell of 1 billion year old farts! 

[Ellirium113]

Why would they even bother wasting money faking all these pictures when they could just omit them or just destroy them and say they never turned out or whatever. Why go through such meticulous means of deception to supposedly mask details that might get spotted and yet leave tell tale signs of tampering? I fail to see the motive here.

[Mikesingh]

Why would they even bother wasting money faking all these pictures when they could just omit them or just destroy them and say they never turned out or whatever. Why go through such meticulous means of deception to supposedly mask details that might get spotted and yet leave tell tale signs of tampering? I fail to see the motive here.

Why? Because they'll have nothing left to show!! The surface is probably littered with the stuff! For example, Dave mentioned one of the reasons as,

Covering up evidence of past civilization on the moon?

Well that could be true. Check out these images taken by the Lunar Orbiter in the sixties, which I found some time ago and which I've highlighted. NASA couldn't have done much airbrushing here as discovering them wouldn't have been easy. These were taken from Prof Robinson's album and therefore probably escaped their scissors!





There's more but these will have to do for now! 

Cheers! 

[Captain Dave]

Looks like a pictograph representing a story and mathematical equation.

First pic/far right symbols... looks to me something like...

Infinity and a point in space is contained between overlapping and opposing points both inwards (-) and outwards (+).   Or... infinity is alpha overlapping omega (space/subspace/time overlapping form an infinite cycle - a point or place is a variable degree within the cycle) Or Beginning overlapping Ending. Dunno, I see numerous possiblities lol.

If I was all that was left of a civilization after a major cataclism or I accidently got beamed to the wrong place and couldn't get back I'd try to leave a simple equation to explain a complex thing. Could be bluprints to a coffee maker too though.

First pic left side equation looks similar to something I've been playing around with to beam electricity from place to place and help create/repair ozone. Could be a design for a water mill though too.

[Amaterasu]

No, they are not the same. There are subtle differences. IMO

To the eye of one humble Photoshop guru...they are the same.  The "subtle differences" can be accounted for by the fact that the image was not placed "pixel perfect" into another spot - in other words, when Photoshop (or any such raster program) places a "cloned" image down, if the pixel grid is not perfectly aligned, the program will shift the pixels marginally to place the clone where specified.

So I have tp agree with Mike.

[Mikesingh]

To the eye of one humble Photoshop guru...they are the same. 

So I have to agree with Mike.

Hi buddy! One doesn't even have to be a Photoshop guru to see that the craters are the same!  Even an ordinary mortal like me can see the obvious!

The million dollar question is: WHY has this been resorted to by JAXA?

> Did their tin-can actually go to the  Moon?
> Did their cameras fail and thus to avoid embarrassment made a video here on Earth by melding photographs together taken by other probes and Photoshopping them?
> Did they find huge anomalies along the photographic cone of the probe that were difficult to hide, and thus erased those areas with those from other parts of the image?
> Is there some sort of 'rules of engagement' of the space consortium which includes NASA, ISRO, CSA, JAXA, and ESA banning them from showing anything on the Moon that can cause a flutter?

Check out India's Chandrayaan. Nearly 70,000 close-up hi res photographs taken and ONLY A HANDFUL PUBLISHED IN THE PUBLIC DOMAIN? On querying some associated with India's space program as to why all the images haven't been released as yet as promised, there was that stony silence of the lambs! Not even a goddamn acknowledgement!

Are these dudes hiding something? Probably! And this sucks! 

Cheers!
Mike

[Pimander]

They are hiding something.

I have asked Jim Oberg about code words and what the astronauts and mission control use.  Stony silence.  Bear in mind that I have corresponded with Oberg on other stuff and he has been forthcoming.  Something like that that might provide me with the clues I need and NOTHING.

If they aren't hiding something then why are the code words quite obviously classified?  Oberg is happy to chat about non-classified stuff.

Oh yes, don't these look like computer generated landscapes?

[guerande]

> Is there some sort of 'rules of engagement' of the space consortium which includes NASA, ISRO, CSA, JAXA, and ESA banning them from showing anything   :

that's what John is telling us for years !
He says even the cold war was ignored by those hiding the truth about the Moon ...

Even if I don't buy everything John's  writing, I must say that he is quite
right and logical about that " secret " !

All the best
Guerande

[HeywoodFloyd]

Check out the images below. In the first one you can see footprints galore in the foreground. But there are no footprints in the area of the flag! So how or who or when was it placed there?



So, where are the footprints?

Excellent!
very good observation, Mikesingh.
One more clue that the photographs were taken in a studio.

My take on the issue is the same of Jay Weidner's.
(you probably all know his essay, in case some of you don't, I can post the link - a very interesting read)

In other words, they probably went on the Moon,
but most of the photographs and video clips were made in a Studio.

By Stanley Kubrick?

Possible...

There are too many things which do not add up, in the photographs and in the video clips.

And... how possible that all these photographs are perfectly in focus?
The Hasselblad 70mm has a very reduced depth of field,
the Astronauts were wearing helmets, how could they possibly put the camera always perfectly in focus?

As Weidner points out:
in the photographs everything is in focus, from the astronauts and objects in the near field, to the landscapes in the far field.

And that is IMPOSSIBLE !!

(except in a studio)


More: the photographs are far too "Professional" - not like they are taken by amateurs...

[Pimander]

Weidner explains this in this radio interview.



EDIT:  That isn't the one I meant to post actually.  It's interesting though so I'll leave it where it is.

[deuem]

Hi Mike,

Just getting on board here and getting to know all. I have done a lot of work on Apollo 17 and not much on 16.
I allways figured, if they got it right at least one that, is all that really mattered to me. Saying that, I have also worked on many other Apollo shots over the years and my opponents or colleagues have all agreed to set the information up so we can check it out. I don't know if you do it here on the living moon but I can't find it on this thread.  What we did was to make sure that every NASA photo had the link under the photo. We could then click it and follow up.  We all also agreed to use the Hi Res photos where ever possible.

You probable already know this and used the low res for the forum photo but I bet many viewers would like to know.  For the Apollo photos a good web site I use most of the time is listed below along with directions.

Try this site http://next.nasa.gov/alsj/frame.html

Look for your flight 16 in the journal menu, click it, 
Find the Image library in the Background choices, click it,
Find your magazine ( this was 113/A ), click it.
Scroll down or use find to locate you NASA number.
Find the photo number and you will see 2 photos

You can see the story also
John borrows the Camera and takes 3 portraits of Charlie.
18341,42 & 43  Your topic was based on 18342

On this photo there are 2 different resolution photos.  The first one is 236k ( very low res )
The second photo is 1300k or what they are calling HR.  They have added these letters to the end of the photo number. So the better photo is called AS16-113-18342HR
( I would forget the other one. The link in the photo img link in your post directs to the low res photo from another site.)
If you click on the red 1300k it will open that photo in hi res. I hope you can see the difference is a lot and worth the HR.  This is the photo I would either link to or download and work with.  Also need the link so copy out the URL regardless and post it for us to check out on our own.
http://next.nasa.gov/alsj/a16/AS16-113-18342HR.jpg

At this time I would also get the entire 3 photo set for reference. See what is different between them.

In the hi res photo I see that the ground to the left of the flag has been disturbed a lot.  You will have to calculate the distance from the foot steps to the flag.  Rather I would call them foot prints is in question. Like at the beach and wiggling your feet into the sand destroys all prints, what should we call them?

Over the years I have not once found a technical error on my own. It is of my opinion that the photos were taken on the moon. I am not closed for discussion and I am still open for discussion. I don't know about the videos. Never worked on any of them. In a nut shell from my point of view if the photos were faked I have never found one that holds up to that notion. I have found many that have been altered and can show why.

They have been there and are hiding things is more likely.  Hiding what ?

Deuem