Yes, Mars Anomalies

[Amaterasu]

We might ask the question, if NASA is indisputably altering the images available to Us (reminds Me of Winston Smith's job in 1984), WHY would They do it?

ArMaP, do You think there is enough evidence to say NASA is indisputably altering the images They are issuing?

EveryOne:  What are YOUR thoughts about WHY?

[deuem]

It is an easy answer. It would change our world forever and cause religion problems, gubermint problems and so on. Just like UFOs would. Or any other fringe idea that proved to be correct. It has to come from within and not from them. So far I think the jpg is one false lead, Color shifting is another and working prints is the third. Those cameras take raw data photos. They can do what ever they want with it. They give us the scraps in jpg. We really don't know what they can do with it, only what they tell us. But with 8GB on board they can see a nats eyeball if they wish too.
Deuem

Sorry but my hearts not in this right now. BBL........

[Amaterasu]

Here's My thoughts...

It is one of two reasons:

1.  There's something there and They are hiding it; or
2.  They put "anomalies" in and are using the whole thing to promote the awareness of the ET possibility when the Blue Beam project is implemented.

I favor #1.

[deuem]

I like #1 also, Blue Beam is off my list.

I am really trying to get a cleaned picture as rdunk mentioned. I am working on that now but to get by the fluff is difficult.  I have found with Deuem a perfect Oval mask. I doubt that is on Mars. I have one object that no matter how I look at it I can not see a rock and I am trying to see a rock. Noting matches up on that one.

When you made that toy go away. It gave me a standard to look for. Sections where Deuem goes dull and the patterns are not as presice as they are right next to it. So maybe that helped. Maybe.

But the above oval I talked about, reached out and smacked me. Glitch or selection ?  If it was a glitch, [Ovals] I would expect to see it in many prints, all over a print and maybe different sizes. Amy, luminosity is a key here. Bluring/Blending dampens it. A white pixel blended with a black pixel will give me gray and the lum drops off.

The hard part on this is I cant run the full Ring Deuem. I can only run pixel Deuem and look for patterns.  1.4 million of them? Full Deuem it will search out like colors and ring them out. When you did your magic trick it re-joined all the same colors and just made a new set. Only when I overlaid the two could I see exactly what you did.  Oh yea with an original and your rework you can see the changes you did from across the room with one eye closed and no lights on, monitor off.  lol. It shows to me that well. But on their own, Nothing.

So, I think I can compare two photos and find work but on their own, NO. Not yet! Not with the ring program.

When stopping at the pixel level, it takes a lot of guessing and thinking outloud to find patterns that should not be there or that have been cut. Ah yes the word cut. Light does not do that, it is constant and produced gradiants everywhere.

Very few of black shadow or shaded areas are 100% black in most prints. To me they mostly process as well as a section in the sun. I can work black as well as white as long as they are not at the extreme limits of 100%. So, to get a nice pretty sharp line of this 100% black is not common to get. It is as if many of the shaded areas have been painted 100% black but not all. I don't know how this could happen in some areas but not others on the same print.

So the rules would be easy if I were the boss. If you can go 100% white or black to mask out anything, "Do it".  Once they did that nobody could ever un-work it. What ever was there is gone for good. For the rest of the objects, first color shift the entire print and only touch it up as little as you need to ruin the deffinition. If an object is too large and you can't hide it we will lose that print and renumber the entire SOL collection before it is released. Those get sent to Area 51 for further study and pulled off our data base to protect us from hackers.  And when you are finished run your prints though every known debunking trick there is..

I suggest everyone to re-read the above carfully and ask question on the shady areas [pun intended] you might not understand or agree with.

rdunk I know you like just posting pics and saying what you see but a few of us here joined Peggy to do the research thing.

Ok, fingers need rest,

Deuem

[zorgon]

#3  Paredolia

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[starwarp2000]

Reason's NASA Alters Photos:

1. If you wanted to play Devils Advocate, you could say that because it is NASA (And the U.S. Taxpayer) who fronted the millions to acquire those photos, then it is for their eyes only. It is their 'Intellectual Property'. They expended the time, expertise and monetary outlay to acquire them, why would they give them away for free? Hence they doctor the Photos.

2. There is nothing there! To perpetuate the idea (For scientific or strategic purposes) that the U.S. has found signs of Alien Civilisation and maybe contact, they have altered parts of the photos to make you think they are hiding something. This is a subtle message (Perpetuated in Holly Wood too) that alien's have only contacted the U.S. as they are superior in some respect.

3. There is 'stuff' everywhere and they are covering it up!

Take your pick 

[ArMaP]

I have seen later raw images that were "changed" that took away anomalies that were in the original pics.

One example (or a thread) would be good.

[ArMaP]

ArMaP, do You think there is enough evidence to say NASA is indisputably altering the images They are issuing?

No, I haven't seen no real evidence of that.

As I have said in other occasions, I have never seen any signs of image altering in the science-related sites, the only images I have seen with clear signs of being altered were on sites for the general public (and all were from Apollo missions).

[ArMaP]

The hard part on this is I cant run the full Ring Deuem. I can only run pixel Deuem and look for patterns.  1.4 million of them? Full Deuem it will search out like colors and ring them out. When you did your magic trick it re-joined all the same colors and just made a new set. Only when I overlaid the two could I see exactly what you did.  Oh yea with an original and your rework you can see the changes you did from across the room with one eye closed and no lights on, monitor off.  lol. It shows to me that well. But on their own, Nothing.

Do you see why I said that I doubted that the Deuem process could find the changes?

Very few of black shadow or shaded areas are 100% black in most prints. To me they mostly process as well as a section in the sun. I can work black as well as white as long as they are not at the extreme limits of 100%. So, to get a nice pretty sharp line of this 100% black is not common to get. It is as if many of the shaded areas have been painted 100% black but not all. I don't know how this could happen in some areas but not others on the same print.

That's another problem with the images they publish for the general public, they usually have the contrast increased, so not only is it possible that we see things that are not as they are on the original, it's even more likely that looking at those worse versions we miss real interesting details.

[deuem]

Do you see why I said that I doubted that the Deuem process could find the changes?

Ok but don't count to ten just yet. 

The ring section didn't pop it out but the pixel section showed a mess. now this is the first standard I have ever done like this and reading the processed pixel mess is not easy to do. I have to look for brush stroke patterns instead of rings.  So far it looks like if they use any area selection tool, I got them. If they clone an area and it does not match, being shifted over, I got them and if they blend an area and miss a spot in the middle, I got them.  So that does not leave a lot of space for them to work with. The hardest part is finding the area in question to begin with.

When I write I got them, it means that the section in question went beyond the midle mark for me and the probability of someone working the photo has increased in my opinion. 

The words hidden in plain sight seem to fit what I am seeing. Now, what I am seeing is in question even with myself, So the battle starts at home on this topic.  Deuem

[rdunk]

One example (or a thread) would be good.

I will post it "one of these days", on an Evidence of Photo Tampering OP. Same "jumble of rocks" with images taken just a few Sol days apart, completely changed. The first pic included a small very specific statue. It was gone in the 2nd, as well as specific rock make-up was changed. Very same rocks, but very different.  When I pointed this out to the team leader of the skeptic bunch at the time at Unexplained Mysteries, he seemed just a little taken back, and actually quit talking about that "jumble of rocks".

[deuem]

ArMaP,  got a strange request for you.  The rovers Azimuth starting point. Is it North or South.  I never though it would be in question but when it comes to space I don't know which one of the decriptions they would use. See Below. If we use the wrong one we are off by 180 degrees. Can you research that and find out while I sleep?  Thanks in advance.  Deuem

Dictionary.com:

Astronomy, Navigation . the arc of the horizon measured clockwise from the south point, in astronomy, or from the north point, in navigation, to the point where a vertical circle through a given heavenly body intersects the horizon. 

[ArMaP]

ArMaP,  got a strange request for you.  The rovers Azimuth starting point. Is it North or South.

From what we can read here I think it's North.

The FIXED_INSTRUMENT_AZIMUTH element provides one of two angular measurements for the pointing direction of an instrument, measured with respect to a coordinate frame co-linear with the surface fixed coordinate frame.  The azimuth is measured positively in the clockwise direction (as viewed from above) with the meridian passing through the positive spin axis ('north pole') defining the zero reference. The angle is measured in the local gravity horizontal plane, i.e., a plane perpendicular to the local gravity vector.  The FIXED_INSTRUMENT_AZIMUTH is derived from the instrument pointing and spacecraft orientation.  It is co-linear with the surface fixed coordinate system, but the origin of the observation may not be coincident with the origin of the surface fixed frame.

[Elvis Hendrix]

Sorry about taking us sideways off topic from mars to the moon guys.
Maybe those clementine comments need to be moved to another thread if mods deem necessary. IMHO the clementine 1.5 stuff has not been addressed to any solid conclusion.
Elvis.

[Pimander]

PS: I also think this "detour" should be moved to a different thread.

Split the thread then ArMaP.  You have the power and evidently more time than I do.

Sorry to PRC members for neglecting my duties recently.  Difficult times what with folks rudely departing from this life and another one on the way,  a new business and the rest.  I am missing having the time to do research and help out here.  I will never again underestimate the value of free time.