Malaysia flight 370 Where is it?

[spacemaverick]

Sky...I have watched the Nova presentation in its' entirety and it was very comprehensive.  It covered all the technological parts and the availability of that technology.  All that I would add is one mechanical back up to all this.  One that is not technological.  In the early years of space travel when a capsule of ours landed in the water there would be a dye pack that would be set off in the water and would leave a spot in the water.  This spot or the dye pack could be much larger for an aircraft.  This could be a back-up to all this technological stuff on the aircraft.  Or this could be the bandaid in the meantime until nations started mandating the system Canada has begun implementing over their aircraft flying those non-radar covered areas.  We can put a man on the moon, we can put things on Mars and yet we lose a plane....

[Wrabbit2000]

I'm not sure if this has been exhausted for a subject somewhere here, and at 60 pages, it seems a bit much to hunt when my search didn't pop anything obvious.

Why isn't existing and off the shelf technology being used to track airplanes in ways entirely independent of the normal systems or pilot control, access or ability to turn off? I know, it's almost a religious thing as I've come to understand it, about having nothing a pilot can't kill power to, but the system could very easily be as isolated from causing problems, as from being impacted by them until that is precisely what destroys it, along with everything else. It'd give tracking to the final moment of impact though, and down to a couple meters resolution for regular short interval pings.

I was under satellite and 100% satellite tracking for most of the 15 years I was driving a truck. It came through 3 quite different systems, including Omnitracs, which was also simply known as Qualcomm by many. Those made automatic location and status reports as set to  pre-defined time tables and within set resolutions. One I was with gave me access to a config screen with the actual Lon/Lat coordinates within a very tight pattern around my actual location, as they updated in real time. Every couple seconds, and that was the late 90's.

OmniTracs - That is the truck version of it.

BoatTracs

That last is the boating version of it. It's just one of many companies, again, with a wide variety of products for what they do as well as accuracy. Coverage is obviously an issue, but if we care as a community of nations for tracking our planes full of citizens? Finding satellites with capacity over the dead zones of the world shouldn't be a monumental challenge. Other satellite users have plenty parked or flying over those "empty" areas for other reasons.


Now, the external dome on an 18 wheeler is traditionally the size of a large salad bowl, flipped upside down. Some are half that size. Inside is a keyboard and logic unit which may or may not apply here. and a box the size of a couple college science texts stacked together. Probably a lot lighter, too. I.E...these aren't THAT big by any means, and unlike the Canadian system, they don't run out at $100,000 per client copy with what is on the shelf today.

Mount the whole package in the tail, and 100%, totally, absolutely and completely isolated from anything else inside the aircraft. The longest flight I could find was around 19 hours. That's as long as a self contained power cell or battery would need to support it (with very generous margin for general principle of course) before being swapped or charged from external access, on the ground.

I believe that would make it one step from impossible to "lose" an aircraft anywhere but perhaps within the pole circle regions. Kinda crappy coverage there, I'd bet, but tough market to sell to, also. There should be NO excuse for not having constant positive tracking of aircraft in the 21st century. Sheesh.... Buck Rogers, meet the technophobes?

[spacemaverick]

Wrabbit.....it boils down to the Airlines not wanting to put out the money from what I gather.

[thorfourwinds]

Greetings Mr Hippity Hop:   

Got to give you gold for that one, my friend.

As an ex-BVLCO long haul bedbug, we copy that transmission.   

BTW, nice to see your stellar participation here at Pegasus.

tfw in the bunker on the tablet.

[thorfourwinds]

We covered the satellite technology earlier in this thread.

Diego Garcia has 24/7/365 coverage.

The plane is not lost.

[spacemaverick]

I was watching Criminal Minds on TV, an episode called "A Thousand Suns" about someone taking control of an airliner remotely by hacking the onboard systems with the ability to take full control of the aircraft.  Part of the way into the episode the character "Agent Rossi" mentioned a seminar or some sort of presentation in Europe (I think it may have been Amsterdam) where a man presented his ability to hack the systems onboard an aircraft.  At first I thought this was made up but I searched on Google anyway.  To my surprise I found it.

http://dangerousprototypes.com/2013/04/12/hitb-amsterdam-2013-aircraft-rf-hacking/

At the recently concluded HackInTheBox 2013 (HITB) conference German security consultant Hugo Teso has once again drawn into question the security of aero comms. In a presentation at the Amsterdam conference, Hugo highlighted the security vulnerabilities of the Automatic Dependent Surveillance-Broadcast (ADS-B) and Aeronautical Communications Addressing and Reporting System (ACARS) digital aero radio data systems. Net-Security reports, "By taking advantage of these two new technologies for the discovery, information gathering and exploitation phases of the attack, and by creating an exploit framework (SIMON) and an Android app (PlaneSploit) that delivers attack messages to the airplanes' Flight Management Systems (computer unit + control display unit), he demonstrated the terrifying ability to take complete control of aircrafts by making virtual planes "dance to his tune." "

http://www.net-security.org/secworld.php?id=14733

Hijacking airplanes with an Android phone
Posted on 10 April 2013.
An extremely well attended talk by Hugo Teso, a security consultant at n.runs AG in Germany, about the completely realistic scenario of plane hijacking via a simple Android app has galvanized the crowd attending the Hack In The Box Conference in Amsterdam today.

More at the link above.....

Here is a link to his slide presentation.....

http://conference.hitb.org/hitbsecconf2013ams/materials/D1T1%20-%20Hugo%20Teso%20-%20Aircraft%20Hacking%20-%20Practical%20Aero%20Series.pdf

Here is a link to his primer on the RF systems on aircraft

http://commandercat.com/2013/04/hitb2013.html

It should be noted that the United States FAA has denied the viability of this hack in an interview with the The Daily Caller.

http://dailycaller.com/2013/04/11/faa-strongly-denies-alleged-smartphone-airplane-hack-is-a-problem/

He proved his software hack but FAA denying it?

The Federal Aviation Administration is strongly denying a claim made at a hacker conference in Amsterdam that airplane navigation systems can be hacked in-flight using a mobile phone application and some cheap software.

Hugo Teso, a security consultant for the German information technology firm n.runs, recently told attendees at the Hack in the Box security conference that he had found a vulnerability in airplane flight computers that could be exploited using only an Android smartphone app, a radio transmitter and flight management software he purchased on eBay. Teso did not use actual flight computers, but claimed to be able to effectively emulate their software in his demonstrations of the supposed exploit.

The vulnerability, Teso said, would allow a hijacker to remotely redirect an aircraft's flight path, and even send planes crashing to the ground.

I found this very interesting and frightful.  So is this guy full of it or does he really know something and officialdom doesn't want us to know?

[zorgon]

I found this very interesting and frightful.  So is this guy full of it or does he really know something and officialdom doesn't want us to know?

You do NOT have a need to know... 

Take off your shoes, submit to having your balls felt up, leave your bottled water and nail clippers behine...  shut the F... up and get into that Xray scanner...

Next....



NASA did a study on Airplane Safety..

...they withheld the results because the truth was just to scary...

Drones are today's new toy... they are all remotely controlled by some Geeks in military garb sitting at joystick game console here at Indian Springs Nevada

I believe Iran already remotely hacked on of those and recently the control center here was hacked by a virus.

FHA saying "It ain't so" is like the FDA saying that drug is safe... only to have it pulled a few months later because it kills to many people

[spacemaverick]

A new twist to the story and I was made aware by a friend:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2883651/U-S-military-shot-MH370-thought-hacked-used-terror-attack-claims-former-airline-boss.html

'U.S. military shot down MH370 because they thought it had been hacked and was about to be used in terror attack', claims former airline boss Marc Dugain says U.S. Navy in Indian Ocean attacked the plane.

He claims that islanders saw the plane fly close to a U.S. base

Also alleges that a spy told him to back away from his probe into MH370

Well, it cannot be verified but......more at the link.

[astr0144]

I was wondering if such  a story may surface at some time along those lines...

If there was truth to it, its taken a long time to release it...

or is it just another story to try again to distract us from other theories !

It certainly has been one of those unsolved Mysteries so far !

[spacemaverick]

I was wondering if such  a story may surface at some time along those lines...

If there was truth to it, its taken a long time to release it...

or is it just another story to try again to distract us from other theories !

It certainly has been one of those unsolved Mysteries so far !

It's one of those mysteries I cannot walk away from until I know what happened.

[spacemaverick]

We are coming up on 11 months since MH 370 disappeared.  I came across an interview with the former Chief Pilot of Malaysian Airlines who talks about what happened and the procedures that should have taken place.  He also talks about the pilot briefly.  Yes I am still looking at this subject along with MH 17 and other Asian air crashes trying to see if there is a common thread or common denominator if you will among these aircrashes.  I found this video to be enlightening from the former Chief Pilot.

[zorgon]

Keep us updated   

[astr0144]

MH370: Missing Malaysia Airlines Flight 'Was Deliberately Flown Towards Antarctica'

I heard about this suggestion that the Aircraft had been diverted to Antartica not long after it disappeared....if so ... question was why ?

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It will soon be a full year since the disappearance of Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 and while none of us can be certain what became of the missing aircraft, the theories continue to come thick and fast.

The latest comes from aviation expert Malcolm Brenner, a former senior investigator with the National Transportation Safety Board.

Brenner appears on a National Geographic documentary out next month, which examines the tragedy which saw the disappearance of all 239 people on board.

The National Geographic documentary will screen next month

Following analysis of satellite data from the lost Boeing 777, experts have ascertained the plane flew on for several hours after losing contact with air traffic control.

Working on the "strong suggestion" someone in the cockpit deliberately flew the plane off course, the next step would be to make the plane "disappear".

Brenner said: "The flight over the next hour makes several more turns which appear to be human-directed and finally ends up flying and heading to Antarctica.

"So the appearance is this is a carefully thought out effort to evade detection."

He added: "This accident has caught the attention of the world in a way I have not seen in a forty-year career in aviation."

ABC News Aviation Analyst John Nance also supports this theory.


Aviation expert Malcolm Brenner believes Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 was deliberately taken off course and flown towards Antarctica

He said: "I feel very strongly, very very strongly, given all the evidence we think we have, we always have to put that caveat on it, that whoever did this intended for the airplane and the passengers to simply vanish from the planet."

Suspicions that the someone on the flight carried out a "murder/ suicide" mission have been suggested in the past.

Author Ewan Wilson, whose book Good Night Malaysian 370: The Truth Behind The Loss of Flight 370, believes captain Zaharie Shah was suffering from mental health problems and deliberately depressurised the cabin causing the rest of the crew and passengers to lose consciousness, before ditching the plane in the sea.

While it seems a credible theory, it does not answer the most intriguing question of all – why?

The documentary is set to air as Australian Transport Safety Bureau Commissioner Martin Dolan said he is confident the missing aircraft will be found in the southern Indian Ocean in the next three months.

He told News.com.au: "I don't wake up every day thinking 'this will be the day' but I do wake up every day hoping this will be it, and expecting that sometime between now and May that will be the day.

"It's been both baffling and from our point of view unprecedented — not only the mystery of it, but also on the scale of what we're doing to find the aircraft.

"As we keep on pointing out, we don't have a certainty only a confidence that we'll find the missing aircraft."

Malaysian 370: What Happened? will be aired on 8th March at 8pm on National Geographic Channel.

Six months on, this is what we know for sure about the fate of MH370



http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/02/24/mh370-missing-malaysia-airlines-flight-deliberately-flown-antarctica_n_6741550.html

[08rubicon]

   Astro, thanks for keeping us informed..There is very little we know, and
some we think we know..There is a possibility that mh370 went north to
an airport close to a russian/nasa launch pad. The airport is 'yubileyniy'
located at co-ordinates.. 46* 02' 51.41'' N   63* 13' 56.97'' E  This is a
story I read someplace and is a 14 hour flight from Maylasia, so might
just be too far to reach without refuling. Just my opinion, nothing more.
   rubicon

[spacemaverick]

Astro, thanks for the update.  I stepped away from the crash theory a long time ago.  Not one shred of any evidence (debris) has shown up anywhere..even where authorities predicted it might show up due to ocean currents.  The flight could have gone on to Antarctica if it landed to refuel somewhere.  The US has satellites in the area monitoring the Asian area.  It was recently revealed that Australia has over the horizon radar in that area.  Someone knows what has transpired (my opinion) with all this equipment monitoring the area.  I haven't found any really new information except the search of the ocean floor is proceeding.  I still can't fathom how a Boeing 777 with 239 people just disappears with NO TRACE AT ALL.