Another airliner down, pilot locked out of cockpit

[spacemaverick]

Will be glad when they find and interpret the data on the Flight data recorder.  Was the auto-pilot re-programmed by the co-pilot...was the aircraft system hacked, did the co-pilot lose his mind, had he been taking anti-depressants during his small hiatus from flight training and now was in withdrawal stage...did he have an un-diagnosed mental condition.  So many questions.  All avenues must be examined before reaching an intelligent conclusion....IMHO.

[spacemaverick]

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2015/03/27/more-questions-than-answers-after-report-that-germanwings-pilot-locked-out/

The autopilot on the doomed Germanwings plane that crashed into the Alps was abruptly switched to descend to 100 feet, according to a new report Thursday.

FlightRadar24, an online tracking service that uses satellite data, found evidence the autopilot was adjusted to its lowest setting before the plane started its steady fall from the sky, Reuters reported.

French prosecutors said Andreas Lubitz, the 28-year-old who officials say locked the pilot out of the Germanwings cockpit and then calmly slammed the plane into a mountainside at 430 miles per hour. He reportedly battled burnout and depression in 2009, while training to realize his dream of flying.

FlightRadar said its review of data showed the autopilot was manually changed from 38,000 feet to 100 feet and 9 seconds later the aircraft started to descend, probably with the "open descent" autopilot setting, the firm's CEO Fredrik Lindahl said. The plane slammed into a mountain at 6,000 feet, killing 150 people.

Lindahl said FlightRadar24 shared its findings with French crash investigators.

Video available at the link....

[micjer]

I can't get over how the plane disintegrated into so many little pieces.

[starwarp2000]

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http://speisa.com/modules/articles/index.php/item.1086/the-co-pilot-of-the-germanwings-airbus-was-a-convert-to-islam

Co-pilot was a recent convert to radical Islam.

[spacemaverick]

Latest on this story

http://speisa.com/modules/articles/index.php/item.1086/the-co-pilot-of-the-germanwings-airbus-was-a-convert-to-islam

Co-pilot was a recent convert to radical Islam.

Good find....I wondered about that small hiatus he took when in training.  This is not good.  Will it cause people to be afraid to fly?  Another terror tactic.

[Dyna]

He reportedly battled burnout and depression in 2009, while training to realize his dream of flying.

I don't think this means much, how many people suffer bouts of depression and this was years ago? Looking at what we have on his life he does not seem the type to take others with him if he wanted to die.
Clearly I can't know but it looks that way to me.

[spacemaverick]

I don't think this means much, how many people suffer bouts of depression and this was years ago? Looking at what we have on his life he does not seem the type to take others with him if he wanted to die.
Clearly I can't know but it looks that way to me.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/28/world/europe/germanwings-crash-andreas-lubitz.html

Co-Pilot in Germanwings Crash Hid Mental Illness From Employer, Authorities Say

DÜSSELDORF, Germany — Andreas Lubitz, the pilot at the controls of the Germanwings jetliner that crashed into the French Alps on Tuesday, had a mental illness but kept the diagnosis hidden from his employer, the authorities said Friday.

A psychiatric diagnosis might explain why Mr. Lubitz, a 27-year-old German, did not disclose his full medical record to Germanwings and its parent company, Lufthansa, as is company policy. Certain conditions could result in a pilot's losing his license........

More at the link.....new twist....

[micjer]

Ok this is just weird.  Coincidence??

An Oscar nominated film to be released in the UK today showing member of aircrew locking himself in cockpit to crash a plane and kill everyone on board


http://www.thebigwobble.org/2015/03/an-oscar-nominated-film-to-be-released.html


Film fans raise chilling similarity between Wild Tales and Alps disaster First scenes of movie show madman crashing jet to murder his enemies Acclaimed Argentinian film released in UK today and is out in America Controversial movie was released in Germany and Spain last autumn An Oscar-nominated film will still be released in the UK today despite its disturbing similarities to the Alps air disaster. Argentinian film Wild Tales features a mass killer who locks himself in the cockpit of a passenger jet and crashes it in to the ground to murder everyone on board. In terrifying scenes the fictional passengers panic and one tries to smash his way through a door to get to the controls in chillingly similar circumstances to the ill-fated Germanwings Airbus A320 flight. The fictional killer invites his enemies on to the flight, including a lover who jilted him and a colleague who was hard on him at work, so he can kill them. Despite protests the highly-acclaimed movie will be shown in British cinemas from today, however, it was released in Spain and Germany last year although it is not known if Andreas Lubitz had seen it.

[ArMaP]

Latest on this story

http://speisa.com/modules/articles/index.php/item.1086/the-co-pilot-of-the-germanwings-airbus-was-a-convert-to-islam

Co-pilot was a recent convert to radical Islam.

What that guy says is that "all evidence point to", he does say it was.

And I don't think I will accepted some unknown guy's theories as truth.

[Dyna]

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/28/world/europe/germanwings-crash-andreas-lubitz.html

Co-Pilot in Germanwings Crash Hid Mental Illness From Employer, Authorities Say

DÜSSELDORF, Germany — Andreas Lubitz, the pilot at the controls of the Germanwings jetliner that crashed into the French Alps on Tuesday, had a mental illness but kept the diagnosis hidden from his employer, the authorities said Friday.

A psychiatric diagnosis might explain why Mr. Lubitz, a 27-year-old German, did not disclose his full medical record to Germanwings and its parent company, Lufthansa, as is company policy. Certain conditions could result in a pilot's losing his license........

More at the link.....new twist....

From the article...

These documents "support the preliminary assessment that the deceased hid his illness from his employer

A psychiatric diagnosis might explain

A German hospital said it had evaluated Mr. Lubitz twice in the past two months but added that he had not been there for assessment or treatment of depression.

It sounds as though they do not have the nature of his recent illness even if he were "depressed" many years ago and did not report that.

[RUSSO]

What that guy says is that "all evidence point to", he does say it was.

And I don't think I will accepted some unknown guy's theories as truth.

It is impressive how, after 9/11, much of the world's population, is conditioned to think of terrorism when a plane crashes.

We are all Pavlov's dogs now.

[spacemaverick]

It is impressive how, after 9/11, much of the world's population, is conditioned to think of terrorism when a plane crashes.

We are all Pavlov's dogs now.

I guess you are right....even I have jumped to conclusions and we are conditioned, or we don't recognize that we have been conditioned....in some cases of former military...hyper-vigilance or conditioned to look for certain actions that may indicate terrorism.  Sometimes it is what it is right in our face.  Russo, thanks for the reality check!

[RUSSO]

I guess you are right....even I have jumped to conclusions and we are conditioned, or we don't recognize that we have been conditioned....in some cases of former military...hyper-vigilance or conditioned to look for certain actions that may indicate terrorism.  Sometimes it is what it is right in our face.  Russo, thanks for the reality check!

I do not think you have any fault as you are doing an excellent job reporting on this terrible event.

What bothers me is to see how easy it is to disseminate any kind of information when it is related to a concept already indoctrinated by the population. Dangerous.

[08rubicon]

    The co-pilot deliberately piloted this airplane with passengers in an 8 to 10
  minute decent into a mountain while hearing the passengers screaming..He
  may or may not have been a moslem, but was  a terrorist. My personal
  thought is that he was a moslem terrorist, and my thoughts do not mean
  much. Just my opinion..
     rubicon

[RUSSO]

    The co-pilot deliberately piloted this airplane with passengers in an 8 to 10
  minute decent into a mountain while hearing the passengers screaming..He
  may or may not have been a moslem, but was  a terrorist.

That not makes him a terrorist, that makes him a mass murderer.

The FBI defines mass murder as murdering four or more persons during an event with no "cooling-off period" between the murders. A mass murder typically occurs in a single location where one or more people kill several others.[2][3] Many acts of mass murder end with the perpetrator(s) dying by suicide or suicide by cop.[4]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_murder

Although terrorism is a word of wide use and difficult to specify and perhaps for this very reason, has been strategically chosen, being used when you expect a certain reaction of a target audience.

For the purpose of disambiguation, I will stand with the use of the most common, which is the one who is perpetrated for a religious, political, or ideological goal and in this case, i see no reason to call him a terrorist unless some new fact proves that he acted with this purpose.

Terrorism is commonly defined as violent acts (or the threat of violent acts) intended to create fear (terror), perpetrated for a religious, political, or ideological goal, and which deliberately target or disregard the safety of non-combatants (e.g., neutral military personnel or civilians). Another common definition sees terrorism as political, ideological or religious violence by non-state actors. Some definitions now include acts of unlawful violence and war.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism