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space otter

you know I do believe we..all of us.. need to be forever vigilant..however what some go to great lengths to hype in their sharing makes me think they should be writing science fiction for a living..
and I want to ask.. WHAT ? ? Do you REALLY think that is even possible ?   

Z if your head is in that L.V. sand mine is looking up in the air watching the sky..oh and at this time in the growing season smelling the lily of the valley and lilac..ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh

anywho...you might find this interesting.. or not ..personally I'm going back to planting  ;D




http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jason-stanford/the-pentagons-response-to_b_7251254.html

 

The Pentagon's Response to Ted Cruz Regarding Jade Helm 15

Jason Stanford

Posted:  05/10/2015 8:54 am EDT    Updated:  05/10/2015 7:59 pm EDT


Recently, Senator Ted Cruz from Texas asked the Pentagon to clarify its intentions with military exercises in Central Texas called "Jade Helm 15." The Pentagon's response follows:

Dear Senator Cruz:

Thank you for your inquiry into whether the Jade Helm 15 military exercise is the first wave of a federal takeover of Texas, the Trojan Horse, as it were, of the end of sovereignty in the Lone Star State. Our response, contrary to the long tradition of official correspondence and military bureaucracy, is concise: no.

But that's just what you would expect us to say, isn't it?

Perhaps, then, you would prefer not an official proclamation but a reasoned answer. As a master debater in college (Princeton, right?), you surely appreciate the reliability of logic, your public statements over the past few years notwithstanding. If you are disinclined to take the United States Armed Forces at their word when we promise no ill intentions towards Texas, then perhaps your considerable and vaunted intellectual powers, which once posited the regrowth of hymens as a guard against unauthorized incursions in domestic affairs, could be swayed by incontrovertible fact.

I know you think highly of our capabilities. Why else would you advocate for a short war with Iran? If we are indeed that powerful, we could probably launch an attack from any of the 15 U.S. military bases already within Texas' borders. While Ronald Reagan and Margaret Thatcher may have found it necessary, even attractive, to invade countries that can easily be overrun, the present DoD considers such lopsided contests at best unsporting.

As someone who was not born within the borders of this country, it might interest you to know that Texas is already part of the United States. In fact, Texas has twice joined the Union. The first time your adopted state joined the USA in 1845 it set in motion events that led to the Mexican-American War. Later, when Union troops conquered the Southern rebellion, Texas rejoined the Union. It is not, therefore, farfetched to think that Texas' relationship to the rest of the United States could involve war, but please also keep in mind that when we refer to the United States of America, Texas is being implicitly included. We thought about calling it the United States of America and Texas, but we were afraid people might think Texas was a retrograde backwater of reactionary lunatics who think Moses was a Founding Father and laugh at you. This is way better.

Please also consider there are a great many things about Texas and Texan culture that could be threatened by another unnecessary armed conflict between Texas and the United States. We like Texas barbecue. That Green Beret who carried the flag out for the Texas Longhorn football team? That was pretty cool. The wildflowers along the highways are no joke. The late Texan Chris Kyle, the "American sniper," is a hero to many. Texas gave the world Lyndon Johnson, a staggering gift for which America was perhaps not entirely prepared. Without the Lone Star State, the Western swing band Bob Wills and His Texas Playboys would have appeared under the performing name Robert Wills and His Playboys, which is ghastly, or not have existed at all, a possibility that DoD has officially classified as "too awful to contemplate". And we really dig the self-awareness, the love of self that, while occasionally metastasizing into paranoid delusions such as those that motivated your original query, also make Texas a culture with an indelible sense of place.

But, we reiterate, that place is in the United States. On previous visits, we noticed that many of your residents enjoy Social Security and Medicare (you're welcome), volunteer for the armed services, treasure federal parks, wildlife preserves, and wilderness areas, and earn and spend currency backed by the full faith and credit of the United States. With a quick Internet search, I also learned that nearly a third of Texas' total revenue is from Federal funding. In fact, millions of your schoolchildren pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America almost every day. And unlike yourself, they apparently mean it.

There is a fundamental misapprehension that we feel is at the root of your query about our intentions was revealed in a recent comment you made to the press.


We are assured it is a military training exercise. I have no reason to doubt those assurances, but I understand the reason for concern and uncertainty, because when the federal government has not demonstrated itself to be trustworthy in this administration, the natural consequence is that many citizens don't trust what it is saying.



If, Senator Cruz, you believe that the United States military is a political tool of its civilian leadership, you have reached a conclusion unsupported by fact, history and good sense. The troops swear to uphold the Constitution of the United States. To besmirch their loyalty to the country, even in the service of making hackneyed political points in the Republican primary, does not make you a patriot, but a partisan. Even a Princeton and Harvard Law man should know the difference.

Also, it makes you the rudest Canadian we've ever run across.

Sincerely Yours,

Secretary Ashton Carter

Elie Jacobs and Frank Spring, who along with Jason Stanford are political partners of the Truman National Security Project, contributed equally to this post but suffer lesser billing because of Stanford's inability to figure out certain technological hurdles.

Follow Jason Stanford on Twitter: www.twitter.com/JasStanford 


or



http://abcnews.go.com/US/jade-helm-15-facts-training-exercise-causing-jitters/story?id=30915367


video here I can't move it's one of my certain technological hurdles bwhahahahahahahah  ;)



Jade Helm 15: The Facts About the Training Exercise Causing Jitters in Texas



May 9, 2015, 4:17 AM ET

By ALEXANDER MALLIN



vid here if anyone knows how to make it work..sorry I don't
alex jones is again the comedian I see...


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  The Pentagon had to go public this week with an unusual admission that, no, it was not in fact secretly planning to take over the state of Texas.

It was the result of a building controversy inside the Lone Star State leading up to a series of planned military training exercises dubbed "Jade Helm 15."

But now, with several politicians and even actor Chuck Norris jumping in the fray, it's raising more questions about the exercise, and what is fueling the theories surrounding it.

What exactly is Jade Helm 15?

According to the U.S. Army website, Jade Helm is a multi-state training exercise taking place July 15 through Sept. 15 with members of U.S. Army Special Operations Command and service members from the military's four branches. While the exercise is taking place across seven states, the Special Operations Forces are only training in five states: Texas, Arizona, New Mexico, Utah and Colorado.

But the exercises will take place primarily in Texas, according to the unclassified request for training from Special Operations Command, because it requires large areas of undeveloped land as well as access to towns.

The U.S. military is consistently conducting training exercises inside the U.S., both in remote areas and sometimes inside populated cities. And it's certainly not the first military exercise to occur inside the state of Texas.

So what, if anything, sets Jade Helm 15 apart?

In a March 24 press release from the Army, Jade Helm 15 was described simply as a "routine training exercise to maintain a high level of readiness." The reason given for picking out the particular states, including Texas, is because each possesses a "unique terrain" that soldiers might find themselves operating in overseas.

But also in the same press release, the Army specifically notes Jade Helm 15 being separate from the pack, noting it for its "size and scope." It led to several citizens raising their eyebrows over the idea of a surge of federal presence inside the state.



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What's the theory behind Jade Helm 15?

After an unclassified military Power Point presentation was posted online describing the exercise, various right-wing and libertarian-leaning bloggers noticed what they considered to be an alarming red flag.

Of the seven states included in the exercise, Texas and Utah were labeled according to a map's legend as "hostile" territories (as well as a southern pocket of California.) It prompted a barrage of posts from sites claiming it as proof the government was initiating the first stages of martial law inside the U.S.

Talk-show host and runner of the often conspiracy theory-laden website InfoWars.Com Alex Jones ran multiple stories speculating the map was a sign the feds were "preparing to invade Texas."






It's not the first time such theories have gained traction on the Internet. In January 2013, the U.S. Army conducted operations inside Houston and Miami. The pictures of Black Hawk helicopters and soldiers in fatigues running around metropolitan areas spurred social media posts claiming a government takeover was underway.

Why is Jade Helm gaining such notoriety?

ABC's Austin affiliate KVUE attended a meeting in Texas' Bastrop County that featured several citizens voicing their concerns over the planned exercise to Army spokesperson Lt. Col. Mark Lastoria.


As Lastoria tried to explain the logistics of the exercise and ease the community's concerns, several in the room shouted their disapproval and demanded answers as to whether Jade Helm was a secret plan to implement martial law or federal takeover of the state.

Lastoria said that a private landowner in Bastrop County reached out to the Army to offer up their land for the exercise.

Following the contentious meeting, Texas' new Gov. Greg Abbott stepped in by calling on the State Guard to monitor Jade Helm, explaining "it is important that Texans know their safety, constitutional rights, private property rights and civil liberties will not be infringed."

This past week, Texas Rep. Louie Gohmert released a statement saying he understood the concerns raised by his constituents. He even went further, bringing up the unclassified map in the Power Point, saying he was "rather appalled that the hostile areas amazingly have a Republican majority, 'cling to their guns and religion,' and believe in the sanctity of the United States Constitution."

The ordeal even found its way inside the 2016 presidential race after Texas Sen. Ted Cruz told Bloomberg News he also understood the "reason for concern," and that his office had reached out to the Pentagon to "inquire about this exercise."

Is Texas in danger of military occupation?

With regards to the map, The Washington Post points out that it's not the first time a U.S. military exercise has labeled a U.S. region "hostile." A naval exercise called "Bold Alligator" centered around preventing insurgent groups from launching attacks out of Georgia and part of Florida.

Several Texas politicians on both the left and right have lashed out against what they are labeling as the legitimization of a conspiracy theory, including Rep. Joaquin Castro, D-Texas, who according to The New York Times said fellow members of Congress were "appalled" that Abbott asked a state body to supervise a military exercise.

Texas Republican and House Armed Services Committee Chairman Rep. Mack Thornberry told the Dallas Morning News that the idea of the American military acting as President Obama's "private army" was "just silly."

The chatter also spurred a segment on The Daily Show last week, where Jon Stewart dismissed those spreading the theories as "Lone Star lunatics."

Defense Secretary Ash Carter acknowledged the controversy on Thursday, and when asked whether the U.S. military was planning to take over Texas, he smiled, saying "No."


there are tweets and pics of the canaries posting them mixed in with this.. you know the drill.. go to the link   :o

petrus4

Quote from: space otter on May 11, 2015, 03:17:03 PM
you know I do believe we..all of us.. need to be forever vigilant..however what some go to great lengths to hype in their sharing makes me think they should be writing science fiction for a living..
and I want to ask.. WHAT ? ? Do you REALLY think that is even possible ?

Some people just enjoy doom porn, otter.  I don't hold it against them any more.



"So why do it?"

"Well, because he thought it was good sport.  Because some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money.  They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned, or negotiated with.  Some men, just want to watch the world burn."


I love explosions, personally.  Lots of bright colours.  Relax and enjoy the show. :D
"Sacred cows make the tastiest hamburgers."
        — Abbie Hoffman

space otter


Some people just enjoy doom porn, otter.  I don't hold it against them any more.


pets r us
I truly  relish the differences between us all..makes life so interesting to discuss opposing thoughts and such
but I find it hard to fathom that this stuff is believed ...after the first blush of investigation that is..

I refrain from calling anyone stupid for their thoughts or beliefs and I am not doing that here
but I  find it sooooooooo  difficult to understand
how belief of this doom porn persists after a good look behind the original skepticism/ scare / ?

it's kinda like finding a quarter  on the couch and thinking the tooth fairy couldn't find your pillow ;)










I love explosions, personally.  Lots of bright colours.  Relax and enjoy the show.

I guess explosions are watchable in an enjoyable manner if you've never been in one

for me age has brought the porch view of the dark sky with all the stars as more enjoyable than fireworks
so when I am looking again into the harsh headlights of what I would term someone else's personal delusion
I will refrain from engaging and just go have a beer on the porch and smile at the sky traffic.










Glaucon

 I'd like to state that I've been perplexed for quite sometime at FourWinds propensity for information collection pertaining to Conspiracies. Specifically the ability to collect then organize vast droves of information that support the overal unique conspiracy. 
     The thread he started about underwriting and real estate in Georgia shows me he/she is extremely intelligent and astute.
     I'd like to know the intent of all the time he/she spends dissemination these narratives, which further a perspective of conspiracy, but do little to provide the reader with the information necessary for comprehensive understanding.
"The beginning of wisdom comes with the definition of terms" -Socrates

"..that the people being ignorant, and always discontented, to lay the foundation of government in the unsteady opinion and uncertain humour of the people, is to expose it to certain ruin" -Locke

Glaucon

This is an interview from cspans BookTv with Daniel Pipes, author of: "Conspiracy
How the Paranoid Style Flourishes and Where It Comes From"
http://www.c-span.org/video/?97109-1/book-discussion-conspiracy
"The beginning of wisdom comes with the definition of terms" -Socrates

"..that the people being ignorant, and always discontented, to lay the foundation of government in the unsteady opinion and uncertain humour of the people, is to expose it to certain ruin" -Locke

petrus4

Quote from: Glaucon on May 11, 2015, 10:10:04 PM
     I'd like to know the intent of all the time he/she spends dissemination these narratives, which further a perspective of conspiracy, but do little to provide the reader with the information necessary for comprehensive understanding.

Based on some of his comments in the past, I'm fairly sure that Thor sincerely believes that he's helping people.  That is a positive and worthwhile intention, so I don't necessarily want to dissuade him from it.  Granted, the degree to which said doom porn blankets the "Recent Posts" list, can sometimes make what I consider more relevant topics harder to find, but fortunately the site also offers other tools for allowing me to find recent threads.

I suspect that the near-constant deluge of apocalyptic fearmongering has also repelled other people from visiting here as often; I can remember Pimander complaining about it on at least one occasion, and I consider that regrettable, because I enjoyed conversing with him.

Still, at this point I'm largely capable of ignoring it, myself.  I've become a lot more vigilant about what I'm willing to expose myself to, recently, as my reading about the Mandela Effect has convinced me that the ability to go to different timelines via the Law of Correspondence is genuinely real.  I therefore no longer wish to expose myself to news about the proverbial sky raining fire, because I now know that if I invest emotional energy in such topics, then that is what I will experience.

It's possible that Thor hasn't figured that out yet.  I didn't truly get it myself for a very long time, so I'm not going to hold it against him.  Or, for all I know, he could genuinely enjoy catastrophe.  I remember seeing that Tom Cruise's remake of War of the Worlds was on here last night, and I've noticed more recently that FoxTel's programming has become a near-constant stream of war, disasters, alien invasions, and the general glorification of militaristic fascism.  I've realised that some people truly want perpetual disasters and war, because they seem to assume that life would be utterly empty and devoid of purpose without it.

I am not one of those people, myself; but for those who are, that's completely fine.  It's just not my own preference.  Where I am living now is very peaceful, and that is what I want. 

The relevant universal law can at times work in very strange ways; Bashar has specifically said that one person could watch a literal meteor shower slamming into buildings and go berserk with terror, while another person sitting next to them could interpret the event entirely differently.  They may simply view it as a beautiful display of pyrotechnics, for example.  Once you stop viewing death as being such a huge issue, you no longer feel morally required to remain in a state of perpetual fear and misery for anyone else's sake, either.

I had a weird experience in town along those lines the other night before phoning my mother, as well.  The row of payphones was in front of a barbed wire fence with a locked gate, behind which some tall grass was growing.  I thought the grass was beautiful; but then I had the odd thought that maybe the gate wasn't there in order to keep people on my side of it out of the property, but that it was actually there to keep the grass and other plants out of where I was, because the person who had built the gate was terrified of Nature trespassing in the town. 

I knew that wasn't really the case of course, because Nimbin has so much beautiful vegetation; but it made me realise just how many, radically different perspectives can be obtained from looking at a single scene, and also, how much perception really does define reality.



Is the glass half full, or half empty; or is it possible that a place exists somewhere, where if we took the glass away entirely, the water would remain there, suspended in space by itself?  I think the answer matters.
"Sacred cows make the tastiest hamburgers."
        — Abbie Hoffman

ArMaP

Quote from: thorfourwinds on May 10, 2015, 11:06:23 PM
Besides the fact that I couldn't find that text in the book from where it supposedly came (as usually happens with quotes spread on the Internet), I think the best way of making people "docile, apathetic, unconcerned and groggy" is TV. :)

zorgon

Quote from: petrus4 on May 11, 2015, 11:59:29 PM


Is the glass half full, or half empty; or is it possible that a place exists somewhere, where if we took the glass away entirely, the water would remain there, suspended in space by itself?  I think the answer matters.

The problem with your example is that BOTH are true :D  I can instantly see the young woman and the old lady... same as I can see a crater as a depression or a hill.... Perhaps this is why I can spot anomalies so fast and some people see only blurry rocks.

Is the glass have full or half empty? Again both statement are true  So that is merely a point of view as both answers arrive at the same conclusion, that you have half a glass of water :D

Perhaps people are confused in life because they are to busy trying to focus on one or the other  rather than glide down the middle path and see both sides simultaneously






ArMaP

Quote from: thorfourwinds on May 11, 2015, 12:06:09 AM
   1.   An affected business is one that:
"...engages in the purchase, sale, trade, barter, recycling or exchange of secondhand goods, wares or merchandise; or any person who keeps any store, shop, room or place where secondhand goods, wares or merchandise of any kind or description, are bought, sold, traded, bartered, recycled or exchanged is defined as a secondhand dealer."
Besides other dubious things in that article, that's an excellent example of selective quoting to make people think what they want them to think. This is what the ordinance says:
Quote

A.    "Pawnbroker" means any person or entity who, within the City, loans money on deposit or pledge of personal property or any valuable thing, or who deals in the purchasing of personal property or valuable things on condition of selling the same back at a stipulated price, whether he or she does the same for him or herself or as an agent of some person or firm or corporation, who by any means, method or device loans money for personal property when the same is deposited for security or is deposited for any other purpose.
B.     "Secondhand dealer" means any person or entity, who, within the City, as a business, engages in the purchase, sale, trade, barter, recycling or exchange of secondhand goods, wares or merchandise; or any person who keeps any store, shop, room or place where secondhand goods, wares or merchandise of any kind or description, are bought, sold, traded, bartered, recycled or exchanged is defined as a secondhand dealer within the meaning of this chapter; provided however, that this chapter shall not apply to bona fide trade or turn-ins of secondhand goods, wares or merchandise or other goods where no cash is transferred or paid by the merchant, or to auction houses or to the transaction of any property that is titled and of record with a State or the Federal government.


Quote
   2.   Information submitted to the database:
"The customer's name and date of birth and documentation..." and also "The current street address, city, state and zip code of the customer's residence."
The only new thing, when compared to the old ordinance, is the date of birth and the documentation.

Quote
Item #1:  This effectively forces compliance on pawnshops, thrift stores, mom and pop secondhand furniture and house ware stores, gun shows, farmers' markets.  The phrase, "bought, sold, traded, bartered, recycled or exchanged" just means transfer in any way.  City ad valorem and taxes increase, but the biggies?
In fact, the old ordinance included junk dealers (that, apparently, now are not affected by this) and it didn't include the "Exceptions and Exclusions" section that states:

Quote
A.    Pawnbrokers and secondhand dealers are excluded from uploading items into the selected database per Section 20-3 if the item meets one or more of the following criteria:
1.     The item purchased by the dealer is under fifty dollars ($50.00) in value except if the items are purchased in a quantity of twenty-five (25) items or more, such as twenty-five (25) or more DVDs, CDs etc.
2.     The seller is a known customer of the dealer and had contracted with the business prior to the property being presented for sale such as estate sale purchase. The exception does not include over-the-counter contracted purchases.
3.     The property was obtained through a bidding process through a reputable, licensed auction house.
4.     The property is brokered with the business.
5.     The acquisition for resale of any goods by a nonprofit corporation or nonprofit association recognized as such by the Internal Revenue Service or by a bona fide fraternal or bona fide religious organization or association.
6.     The acquisition for resale or trade of coins or of monetized bullion, or commercial grade ingots of gold, silver or other precious metals including, but not limited to, gold, silver, platinum, which ingot bears a stamp or other marking indicating or reflecting the government, governmental agency, private corporation, or banking institution issuing or producing the ingot. "Commercial grade ingots" is defined herein as 0.99 fine ingots of gold, silver or platinum, or 0.925 fine sterling silver art bars and medallions, provided that the ingots, art bars and medallions are marked by the refiner or fabricators as to their assay fineness. (Ord. 1751, 2-2-2015)


Quote1) This is the backdoor method to outlaw private sales of firearms, and 2) Maintain an active database accessible to law enforcement with the name, birthdate, and address of someone who purchases a firearm (of course with the firearm information as well).
The old "they want your guns" bogeyman to fool the idiots.  ::)

The old ordinance already stated that pawnshops, junk and secondhand dealers had to give that information (except the date of birth) to the police.

PS: it would help if your posts included an easy way of identifying what is your own text (if any) and what is copied from the original source.

Glaucon

Quote from: petrus4 on May 11, 2015, 11:59:29 PM
Based on some of his comments in the past, I'm fairly sure that Thor sincerely believes that he's helping people.  That is a positive and worthwhile intention, so I don't necessarily want to dissuade him from it.  Granted, the degree to which said doom porn blankets the "Recent Posts" list, can sometimes make what I consider more relevant topics harder to find, but fortunately the site also offers other tools for allowing me to find recent threads.

I suspect that the near-constant deluge of apocalyptic fearmongering has also repelled other people from visiting here as often; I can remember Pimander complaining about it on at least one occasion, and I consider that regrettable, because I enjoyed conversing with him.

Still, at this point I'm largely capable of ignoring it, myself.  I've become a lot more vigilant about what I'm willing to expose myself to, recently, as my reading about the Mandela Effect has convinced me that the ability to go to different timelines via the Law of Correspondence is genuinely real.  I therefore no longer wish to expose myself to news about the proverbial sky raining fire, because I now know that if I invest emotional energy in such topics, then that is what I will experience.

It's possible that Thor hasn't figured that out yet.  I didn't truly get it myself for a very long time, so I'm not going to hold it against him.  Or, for all I know, he could genuinely enjoy catastrophe.  I remember seeing that Tom Cruise's remake of War of the Worlds was on here last night, and I've noticed more recently that FoxTel's programming has become a near-constant stream of war, disasters, alien invasions, and the general glorification of militaristic fascism.  I've realised that some people truly want perpetual disasters and war, because they seem to assume that life would be utterly empty and devoid of purpose without it.

I am not one of those people, myself; but for those who are, that's completely fine.  It's just not my own preference.  Where I am living now is very peaceful, and that is what I want. 

The relevant universal law can at times work in very strange ways; Bashar has specifically said that one person could watch a literal meteor shower slamming into buildings and go berserk with terror, while another person sitting next to them could interpret the event entirely differently.  They may simply view it as a beautiful display of pyrotechnics, for example.  Once you stop viewing death as being such a huge issue, you no longer feel morally required to remain in a state of perpetual fear and misery for anyone else's sake, either.

I had a weird experience in town along those lines the other night before phoning my mother, as well.  The row of payphones was in front of a barbed wire fence with a locked gate, behind which some tall grass was growing.  I thought the grass was beautiful; but then I had the odd thought that maybe the gate wasn't there in order to keep people on my side of it out of the property, but that it was actually there to keep the grass and other plants out of where I was, because the person who had built the gate was terrified of Nature trespassing in the town. 

I knew that wasn't really the case of course, because Nimbin has so much beautiful vegetation; but it made me realise just how many, radically different perspectives can be obtained from looking at a single scene, and also, how much perception really does define reality.



Is the glass half full, or half empty; or is it possible that a place exists somewhere, where if we took the glass away entirely, the water would remain there, suspended in space by itself?  I think the answer matters.
I was once a consumer and genuine subscriber to "conspiracies". I absolutely believed many.

Daniel Pipes mentions individuals who "play"  and "have fun" with conspiracies (differentiating between one who enjoys dabbling and one who has "fun" perpetually perpetuating this phenomenon isn't clear). So I'm not sure if someone like FourWinds enjoys submersing himself and others in conspiracy's "eroding" nature, or if I should deduce his level of subscription based on his effort put forth disseminating the narrative.

I can understand from the perspectives of both intentions.
"The beginning of wisdom comes with the definition of terms" -Socrates

"..that the people being ignorant, and always discontented, to lay the foundation of government in the unsteady opinion and uncertain humour of the people, is to expose it to certain ruin" -Locke

thorfourwinds

QuoteI am interested in anything and everything we can find out about this  whether real or BS.

We recognize that higher source that keeps us on the 'doom porn.'

These were the 'doom porn' of their day...   :P

Operation Mongoose/Northwoods
911
Pearl Harbor
Operation Ajax
Gulf of Tonkin
USS Maine
USS Liberty
RMS Lusitania
Sandy Hook

Thank you all for your time and professional psychoanalysis    ???    ;)



tfw
Peace Love Light
Liberty & Equality or Revolution

Hec'el oinipikte  (that we shall live)




EARTH AID is dedicated to the creation of an interactive multimedia worldwide event to raise awareness about the challenges and solutions of nuclear energy.

zorgon

Ever since I started dealing with antiques and gold/silver jewelry over 30 years ago  Pawn shops ALWAYS had strict controls on merchandise and had to keep a record and take drivers licenses because pawn shops get a lot of stolen goods traffic

However many pawn shops ignore this and take cash under the table... so it defeats the intent

Jewelers often by old gold  They too had to keep a record.  However about 80% of the entire jewelry trade is a cash only business :P Government knows this and has yet to stop it.

I can always buy loose gems for cash if I need them... no paper trail

Second hand dealers and junk shops were never hassled much.  To many of them and the item value is usually to small to attract crooks

But today you can sell online and the guys like Ebay Etsy and Amazon are not obligated to report your earnings until you reach $20,000  annual with each (Its right in their agreement)

Auction houses  I don't know but the big sale I had went effortlessly thru the system and since it was less than 50,000 annual capital gains... no one cared

So I would assume that this clause covers that exemption

3.     The property was obtained through a bidding process through a reputable, licensed auction house.

zorgon

Quote from: thorfourwinds on May 12, 2015, 05:00:15 AM
We recognize that higher source that keeps us on the 'doom porn.'

Definition:

Doom Porn: Wild rantings about everything going to hell in a hand basket and running around like Chicken Little screaming "The Sky is Falling!!!"

Conspiracy Theory: A well researched presentation of an uncovered plot that has a basis in reality and can be documented

Conspiracy Nut: Someone who thinks EVERYTHING is a conspiracy, whether there is reason to believe so or not

Alternative Researcher: One who take time to dig deep into the Conspiracy theory and present the facts to be examined by the people


Which one of those would do the best at informing people?

::)

QuoteThese were the 'doom porn' of their day...   :P

Operation Mongoose/Northwoods
911
Pearl Harbor
Operation Ajax
Gulf of Tonkin
USS Maine
USS Liberty
RMS Lusitania
Sandy Hook

Those were conspiracy theories :P proven to be fact (Jury still out on Sandy Hook :P )

QuoteThank you all for your time and professional psychoanalysis    ???    ;)

Psychoanalysis is still incomplete :P

But we love ya anyway :D

spacemaverick

From the past into the future any way I can...Educating...informing....guiding.

RUSSO

Quote from: spacemaverick on May 12, 2015, 06:54:14 AM
I guess I could be an alternative researcher?

By definition, I think you are.  :)

Ps. Did you ever hear about the movie Relatos Selvagens(wild tales)?

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3011894/

Check the first story about the plane crash(the whole movie is a masterpiece so it will worth your time) . Creepy!  :o
"Battle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you."