Jade Helm-WalMart-DHS: Does this foretell of Martial Law and FEMA Camps?

[zorgon]

Think I was reaching too far?  It was just another view...I've been known to be a little far out from time to time.

I was specifically commenting on the information being 'shared' by the gentleman in the video. I thought some of his 'assumptions' were of a reaching nature, trying to find nefarious intent behind some of the events surrounding Jade Helm when there probably isn't.

Seems clear as glass to me

[zorgon]

Mixing Walmart corporate readjustment with Jade Helm exercises is about the same as mixing Nibiru with the Mayan Calendar...

I just went outside to check..

Nope  no Nibiru in the sky...  no tanks driving of the street...

So I think I will just enjoy the unusual break in the heat wave (down to 86F and cloudy with q cool breeze )


As to Walmart's closing...  Well dang that is really good news even if it is a

[spacemaverick]

Don't know if there is a reason to panic but just received thoughts from a close friend in DFW area of Texas.  He said his family in West Texas are in a panic with all the military movement going on.  He is going to a family reunion in West Texas next week.  I asked him if he would give me some sort of report what his family thought was going on.  Maybe I can pick up some information (or not).  I have known him and some of his family for quite a few years and they seem like they are not given to panic...but we'll see what's up hopefully.

[zorgon]

Are they going to secure the Oil Wells first?

[The Seeker]

considering the trouble with the drug cartels in that part of the nation secrecy might play a part in actual ops being contemplated...

I'll wager ol' Robopuff is tripping if he is aware 

seeker

[thorfourwinds]

"We have been taught lies. Reality is not at all what we perceive it to be.

We cannot survive any longer by hanging onto the falsehoods of the past. Reality must be discerned at all costs if we are to be a part of the future. Truth must prevail in all instances, no matter who it hurts or helps, if we are to continue to live upon this earth.

At this point, what we want may no longer matter.

It is what we must do to ensure our survival that counts. The old way is in the certain process of destruction and a New World Order is beating down the door...

I fear for the little ones, the innocents, who are already paying for our mistakes.

There exists a great army of occupationally orphaned children. They are attending government-controlled day-care centers. And latch-key kids are running wild in the streets. And the lop-sided, emotionally wounded children of single welfare mothers, born only for the sake of more money on the monthly check.

Open your eyes and look at them, for they are the future. In them I see the sure and certain destruction of this once-proud nation. In their vacant eyes I see the death of Freedom. They carry with them a great emptiness--and someone will surely pay a great price for their suffering.

If we do not act in concert with each other and ensure that the future becomes what we need it to be, then we will surely deserve whatever fate awaits us." R.I.P. BC

Published on Jul 11, 2015
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With the Drudge Report linking to an interesting Houston Chronicle story out Friday called "Texan's Organize 'Operation Counter Jade Helm' To Keep An Eye On The Federal Troops," ANP takes another look at Jade Helm 15 and some new photographs emerging out of Plano, Texas, a suburb of Dallas, which show another military train, completely loaded down, deep in the heart of Texas.

With the Washington Post reporting JH will not be covered live, the Houston Chronicle report that Texans will be covering JH is heartening. The American people really are the 'true media'.

thetruthrevealed777
Published on Jun 30, 2015

Red List - These people are the enemies of the NWO. They are the leaders of patriot groups, outspoken ministers, outspoken talk show hosts, community leaders, and even probably NET leaders. These people will be dragged out of their homes at 4:00 am and will be taken to FEMA detention centers and killed. This will take place approximately 2 weeks before martial law is enforced.

Blue List - these are also enemies of the NWO, but are followers of the Red List folks. These people will be rounded up after martial law is in place, and will be taken to the detention centers and 're-educated'. Various mind-control techniques will used on them. Most will not survive this. Mr. Springmeier was not specific on exactly who was on the Blue List, but I would guess that people such as you and I are on that list.

Yellow List - these are citizens who know nothing about the NWO and don't want to know. They are considered to be no threat at all and will be instructed as to how to behave and will most likely do whatever they are told. Unfortunately there are too many of these to be effectively controlled, so many will be killed or starved.

Time to wake up people.

Published on Jun 28, 2015
PLEASE SHARE, AMERICA NEEDS TO KNOW THIS NOW!
BREAKING: Jade Helm-Military "QUIT"
First three Marines to stand in front of the world and "QUIT" because of Jade Helm.
?July 11, 2015

Published on Apr 26, 2015
Jade Helm is of great concern worldwide and especially to Americans. Jade Helm is not an isolated strategy but is part of a grand plan to convert our beautiful planet into a one world nightmare.

According to Dr. John Coleman, this plan is orchestrated by a group called the Committee of 300 and a diabolical sub-group known as the .

These organizations obviously use natural patterns of human tendencies to contribute to our enslavement. This pod cast centers on how Tavistock has timed its interventions to puppet humanity into following into line with the overall plans for the one world government.

We talk about WWII, the Hippie Movement (known as the Aquarian Conspiracy) and now the Jade Helm 15 intervention which were all intended to lay the groundwork for the global police state (or the global satanic nightmare state) that has been in the works for a long time.

Uploaded on Feb 2, 2011
Great description of a little known aspect of the NWO/Illuminati. Thanks so much to Iona Miller for this video!

John Paterson
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I wish my dad was still around today, he met a Peanut Farmer from Georgia, in Claridges London in the 70s who then went on to become President of the United States, James Earl Carter, who was trained at The Tavistock Institue. Dr. Peter Bourne, a Tavistock Institute psychologist, picked Jimmy Carter for President of the U.S. solely because Carter had undergone an intensive brainwashing program administered by Admiral Hyman Rickover at Annapolis, and remember folks, it was Carter who signed into law "The Global 2000 Report" we are witnessing the outcome today as we speak!

Their principal agency, the Institute for Policy Studies, was funded by James Paul Warburg; its co-founder was Marcus Raskin, protege of McGeorge Bundy, (SKULL & BONES) president of the Ford Foundation.

Today the Tavistock Institute operates a $6 Billion a year network of Foundations in the U.S., all of it funded by U.S. taxpayers' money. Ten major institutions are under its direct control, with 400 subsidiaries, and 3000 other study groups and think tanks which originate many types of programs to increase the control of the World Order over the American people.

My dad was also an avid follower of Bill Cooper, and he asked me to bring back a copy of Spycatcher from the USA which was banned in Britain under the orders of Margaret Thatcher, who was inducted into 788-790 FINCHLEY ROAD BOILER ROOM, (that Gordon has exposed), and he's the only member of my Family or relatives who would know exactly what I have been sweating blood to try and explain over the years, THANK GOD for the Internet, MOST of you who are awake know exactly what I'm talking about, and now that David Cameron, Tony Blair, Nick Clegg, Norman Lamont and many others have been exposed by Gordon Bowden it remains to be seen whether the rest of the public will wake-up in time...

I'm mostly a humourous sort of guy, but lately, I've started to get a bad feeling..... Still, we have no choice but to keep marching forward and expose these SCUM BAGS for who they really are. AND don't expect the BBC to inform the world about the forensic evidence handed over on 1st March 2015.

Future generations who still manage to access REAL History may or may not have access to the videos we have made on this subject, however, I HOPE to live long enough to see Cameron and his filthy murdering Paedophile cabal get lynched on the streets of London where I was born. Then I will be dancing in OUR streets along with the rest of you. RIP Dad. I'm doing the best I can,"with a little help from my friends" wink emoticon x SEE VIDEO

We lived in Laurel Canyon in the early '70s...and could add personal stories and color and fill in a lot of the blanks that DM was not privy to as he was not there.

Published on May 24, 2014
Celebrity road and the Wonderland path. Who is behind Pop Culture?
Music Stars why and what are they involved with, and for what reason is Laurel Canyon a CIA, Military mind-control psyops center? Is this an outlying diabolical covert Black-ops Institution? The Fabian Society, Tavistock, Esalen Institute, etc. Who are the custodians of all of this?


And now, to tie it all together.

Published on Jun 30, 2015
"The unraveling of the reality we have all known is happening from countless directions and at blinding speed. Earth's life support systems are crumbling, the human assault against the planet has taken an immense toll with climate engineering being at the top of the list. Many are still living in a delusion of denial, their delusions will soon be shattered.

The power structure is moving their still obedient military chess pieces into position to possibly be used against their own citizens. When reality can no longer be hidden from the masses, chaos will unfold. The narrated article, is from a news site that has hundreds of thousands of followers, they have just woken up to the climate engineering nightmare."?Dane Wiggington


Speaking of the mind...

[snip]
Dr. Michael Persinger, a well-known neuroscientist, has conducted numerous studies examining the effects of magnetic fields with the same magnitude as the geomagnetic field on brain functions and information transfer. Not only has he shown that applying external fields similar to the Schuman resonances can induce altered states of consciousness, he also has suggested in a detailed theory that the space occupied by the geomagnetic field can store information related to brain activity and that this information can be accessed by all human brains.

Furthermore, Persinger also suggests that the earth's magnetic field can act as a carrier of information between individuals and that information, rather than the intensity of the signal carrying it, is important for interaction with neural networks. The above findings help support part of GCI's hypothesis that the earth's magnetic field is a carrier of biologically relevant information.

HeartMath and GCI further submit that because humans have brain and heart frequencies overlapping the earth's magnetic field resonances, they not only are receivers of biologically relevant information, but they also essentially create a feedback look with the earth's magnetic field and thus feed information into the global field environment.

While it is not difficult to conceive that life forms existing within the earth's magnetic field could be affected by modulations in this field, it is a more far-reaching proposition to suggest that the earth's field connects all living systems and carries and distributes biologically relevant information.

Nevertheless, GCI researchers hypothesize that when large numbers of humans respond to a global event with common emotional feeling, the collective response can affect the information distributed in the earth's field. In cases where the event evokes negative responses, this can be thought of as a planetary stress wave (of information), and in cases where a positive wave is created, it could create a global coherence wave.

[zorgon]

Remember that guy leaving Walmart a few years ago?

[thorfourwinds]

Published on Jul 5, 2015
AMERICA RUNNING OUT OF TIME.
SUPPORT TEAMS URGED.
Albany, NY.
June 24, 2015
Founder and Director of Oath Keepers Stewart Rhodes urges all Oath Keeper chapters across the country to hold an Emergency Summit by state, in order to prepare for an economic collapse.
'Assume the worst' and formulate support teams.
Food storage the most crucial.

Published on Jul 8, 2015
Hagmann & Hagmann Report - July 8, 2015 Steve Quayle: Weather Engineering & Weather Wars??

We've all seen it. You awaken in the morning and are greeted by beautiful clear, cerulean blue skies. There's not a cloud to be seen in the sky above you. As the day progresses, you notice the crisscross patterns of white "trails" in the sky, hanging, there, forming a barrier between the sun and the ground. Soon, the clear day turns into an overcast mess of less defined, milky, rope-like strokes of... what?

If you like the "average" person, you attribute the soupy mass of atmospheric obscurity to routine aircraft travel combined with normal cloud formation. After all, what else would any sane and rational person think?

Asked differently, what sane and rational person or group would intentionally muddy the sky above us with a toxic mix of chemicals that shortens lifespans, causes deforestation, and modifies weather?

The answer is that no sane and rational person or group would do such a thing – but the maniacal globalist powers are neither sane nor rational.??Despite the damning evidence appearing in the sky directly above us, too few will admit that something is amiss... that we are not being told the truth about what we are seeing being "engineered" in the sky.

Most will write off their observations to the normal "contrails" of commercial aircraft, and others, well, just don't even seem to notice – or care. Still others will mock and ridicule those who question the obvious.

The questions now become these: What is taking place in the sky above us? Is there some type of aerial spraying taking place designed for a purpose that the average person is not being told?

The answers might surprise many, but will definitely upset the way that you look at those clear to muddied skies from this point forward. The ONLY requirement is your intellectual honesty that would allow you to objectively look at the evidence that will be presented tonight.

It appears that the previous information provided by the 'JADE HELM-15 mouthpiece' is at best, erroneous, at worst, deliberate deception on the part of the JADE HELM-15 perpetrators.

Published on Jul 12, 2015

Police State FEMA Camp Warning: "Private Prison Space Is Being Created To House Future Political Dissidents"

The following article was originally published by Dave Hodges at The Common Sense Show.

Privately Owned Prisons Are Being Converted to FEMA Camps
Russians training in incarcerate and process American dissidents? Prison riots that are controlled by "special forces (Jade Helm)"? Prison space being cleared for future political prisoners? And all of these events discussed in this article simply dovetail from the revelation that shopping malls, sports stadiums and some schools are being prepped to double as FEMA camp internment facilities.

Camp Grayling, a known FEMA camp, is the site of massive training for the Michigan Army Reservists and the Michigan National Guard. They say they are training for GITMO duty.

Sent July 10, 2015
Dear Dave,
I have followed your work for a long time. I know that you have covered that Russian soldiers are in our country and are preparing to be a part of a martial law occupation force in case American soldiers will not carry out their orders.

I have always thought you were one of the best writers in the country and read you everyday although I never bought into the Russian thing until now. I also listen to you and the Hagmanns on the air. I know they feel the same as you about the Russians.

I have a relative who is in the Michigan National Guard. His unit has been training with the Russians. They are practicing rounding up Americans and processing them into custody. He said they separated men and women with some children. But he also said they were separating people by religious beliefs.

My relative believes that they are going to exterminate Christians when the time comes. Why else would they separate Christians from Jews from Muslims and from Catholics, from Mormons from atheists?

My relative is absolutely freaked out. He wants to quit and go into hiding. He told my husband and me that we have no idea how bad things are about to get. I have shown him some of your articles on Jade Helm and Camp Grayling and he was very surprised that you were being allowed to print what you are.

He said that members of his unit said that they think they will be attacked by the Russians when the time comes.  He thinks that he and his unit will be assassinated when it comes time to round up Americans. He said his unit senses that the Russians "hate us" and want nothing to do with us because they know what is coming. He said that we have done training together, but there is no hint of any relationships developing as you would expect.  He said the American soldiers and the Russians do not like each other.  They have nothing to do with each other and only the officers from the 2 armies speak to each other.

The training is about monkey see monkey do. His unit will arrest pretend suspect actors and then process them and interrogate them. The Russians watch and then are asked to do the same in English. He said the Russian's English is as good as any American. This part freaked me out. He said that the Russians frequently train in American Army uniforms.  Everyone thinks that they are going to pretend to be Americans when it is time to start the killing and the rounding up.

My relative also learned through an advisor that was at their camp, that the same thing is going on at Ft. Bliss.

What should we do? We cannot all go into hiding but I am convinced that they are coming for people like us.  My question to you is that if the Russians are already training to arrest us, how far away can the real thing be?

Please do not publish my name, I do not want to have my relative or me to have an accident.



I asked my friend if he knew that American citizens for any reason, or for no reason whatsoever could be detained under the NDAA and sent to a FEMA Camp? He said that the government would never use this law against American citizens. Unfortunately, the evidence suggest otherwise.

At minimum, there is an economic collapse in our near future with the massive debt which is unsustainable. The presence of the NDAA and EO 13603 speaks to the government's plans to deal forcefully with any disturbances.

The preparation by DHS is unmistakable with its acquisition of over two billion rounds of ammunition and 2700 armored personnel carriers. And when we see foreign troops (e.g. the Russians and the Chinese), we should all be gravely concerned. Additionally, FEMA, and DHS, both last and this year have engaged in a seemingly endless set of disaster planning drills which parallels the content of this article.

To the 55% who are clueless, take out an insurance policy and begin to store food, water guns and ammunition. To everyone else, who has at least some idea of what is going on, begin to reach out to your neighbors because you will need the additional safety that numbers can bring.

The evidence trail that shopping malls, sports stadiums, schools and Walmarts are going to be converted to FEMA camp detention centers is growing by the day. Now we are seeing clear evidence that private prison space is being created to house future political dissidents.

If you are new to this topic, you may want to click on the above hypertext links so that you can see the progression of the conversion of many of our institutions to FEMA camp detention centers.

The case for Russian forces and their involvement in the FEMA camp internment scenarios is fully out in the open as is the complicity for Jade Helm participation. In the next article in this series, I will expose how this relates to this week's cyber attack on the cell phone providers, the Wall Street Journal, United Airlines, and the New York Stock Exchange.

Keep in mind, that if the food supply is impacted by future cyber attacks, there will be too many mouths to feed.

And what will the resulting martial law look like? A clear picture of this eventuality is beginning to emerge and that will be the topic of the next part in this series.

Published on Nov 29, 2013
If Americans behave like this over electronic slave goods, imagine how they will react when the food runs out?

With great respect,
tfw
Peace Love Light
Liberty & Equality or Revolution

Hec'el oinipikte  (that we shall live)

[WarToad]

Minot AFB was out in numbers over the weekend.  Fully mobilized.  Helping the Boy Scouts clean up parks and roadsides.  Damn hippies.

[ArMaP]

Greetings:

This may be the most important show ever done on Hagmann & Hagmann Report, IMHO, of course.

I doubt it's important enough to be posted twice, on consecutive posts. 

[thorfourwinds]

Thank you, ArMaP, for pointing that out.

The back room boys scuttled that a cow forthwith.   

BTW, which video did you watch and do you think Dane has the numbers right on the aluminum particulates in the atmosphere that rain down as FALLOUT?

And, do you think that there is any chemtrailling being done over your country of Portugal?

As always, thanking you in advance for your reply.



With great respect,
tfw
Peace Love Light
Liberty & Equality or Revolution

Hec'el oinipikte  (that we shall live)

[ArMaP]

The back room boys scuttled that a cow forthwith.   

Sorry, I don't understand what you mean.

BTW, which video did you watch and do you think Dane has the numbers right on the aluminum particulates in the atmosphere that rain down as FALLOUT?

None, for several reasons, the most important being that I don't have enough time to that and it's a subject I don't give any importance, as I think it's mostly a way of keeping people occupied with something that doesn't exist, at least as those talking about it say.

Oh, and I hate videos.

And, do you think that there is any chemtrailling being done over your country of Portugal?

No, at least not as proposed by the people that are always talking about it. For chemtrailling to work on a specific area it should be done in a different area, considering the direction of the winds at all altitudes between the altitude at which the chemtrail is supposedly created and the ground. For example, where I live the winds are mostly from the East during the Summer, but sometimes they change to West winds, while at high altitudes they are almost always from West to East (in all of the northern hemisphere and East to West in the southern hemisphere). We also have (mostly in Winter) North and South winds.

Besides that we have local winds, created mostly (I think I am using too much the word "mostly") by mountains and, where I live, the cliff that goes down to the river and, when the wind comes from the North (against the cliff), creates a kind of "pillow" over Almada with stronger winds that clear the clouds only in this area.

[thorfourwinds]

Greetings:

Please consider this:

Perhaps the on-going satellite war between the superpowers was the real cause behind the recent cyber attack on the New York Stock Exchange, even though the NYSE said it was a 'glitch' and - of course - those with an agenda attempted to pin it on Anonymous.

Perhaps the ISIS contingent just south of the US border took down the F-16 through their connections with Hezbollah and Hamas...EMP weapons are mentioned here.

Now there are some who are falsely or incorrectly stating that the plane was shot down by a hand held stinger missile which was found in the desert near the crash site of Douglas, AZ. This claim is rubbish. The F-16 is armed with counter measures and it is not likely that a hand held missile stinger could have shot that plane down given the evasive maneuvers that could have been employed at 10,000 feet, the reported altitude that the plane was flying at when it began its fall from the sky. .

In actuality, what has happened and what those close to the investigation are saying, have shaken the U.S. military to the core.

This F-16 was not shot down, it was brought down.

My sources have stated that General Lloyd Austin, commander of US Central Command, along with key members of his staff have stated that they are investigating this crash not as an accident and not as a shoot down, but as a take down, a take down by a localized and focused EMP blast aimed at the plane.

The proliferation of EMP weapons has expanded beyond previously unimagined levels. There are how to manuals on how to make your own. However, the type of weaponry designed to take down an F-16 flying at about 10,000 feet would have to be amazingly sophisticated and would likely be guided by portable radar with the assistance of lasers.

Perhaps the next beta test will be on infrastructure.

Published on Jul 8, 2015
EXCLUSIVE: Dave Hodges of The Common Sense Show and James White of The Liberty Brothers Radio Show discuss the recent cyber-attacks and how our very infrastructure is targeted next.

Published on Apr 27, 2015
Stewart, in his current position, has many friends and contacts who are in, and out, of military service. Stewart, as many who have analyzed Jade Helm 15, thinks that the operation will serve multiple goals for the tyrannical government.

Published on May 25, 2015
Dave Hodges speaks with Oathkeepers' Founder Stewart Rhodes in an explosive interview on his Common Sense Radio Show where they discuss the possibility of an economic collapse that will set off a major conflict in the U.S. followed by ISIS attacks in this country, race riots and under the cover of this chaos, political dissidents extracted as per the possible intent of the Jade Helm military exercises.

It will be at this point, that the sides will be definitively drawn in such a conflict said Rhodes and that Veterans and Citizens should join together now in preparation to defend themselves and their communities.

[thorfourwinds]

Sorry, I don't understand what you mean.

Never mind, as the 'a cow' has been deleted.   

None, for several reasons, the most important being that I don't have enough time to that and it's a subject I don't give any importance, as I think it's mostly a way of keeping people occupied with something that doesn't exist,

So, you are saying that geoengineering doesn't exist and is of no importance?

...at least as those talking about it say.

How would you have that opinion is you don't avail yourself of all available information?

And exactly who are 'those talking about it' that you have based your opinion on?

Oh, and I hate videos.

So, where do you get your information to make such opinionated observations?

No, at least not as proposed by the people that are always talking about it.

What people? Certainly not people on videos, because you don't watch them.   

For chemtrailling to work on a specific area it should be done in a different area, considering the direction of the winds at all altitudes between the altitude at which the chemtrail is supposedly created and the ground. For example, where I live the winds are mostly from the East during the Summer, but sometimes they change to West winds, while at high altitudes they are almost always from West to East (in all of the northern hemisphere and East to West in the southern hemisphere). We also have (mostly in Winter) North and South winds.

That's how it's done.   

Besides that we have local winds, created mostly (I think I am using too much the word "mostly") by mountains and, where I live, the cliff that goes down to the river and, when the wind comes from the North (against the cliff), creates a kind of "pillow" over Almada with stronger winds that clear the clouds only in this area.

Thank you for your opinion. One might suggest you avail yourself of burntheships and Zorgon's magnificent work on geoengineering and chemtrails...right here on TLM.   


FYI, regarding Portugal and geoengineering and chemtrails...

Catarina Rasteiro

Published on Feb 2, 2014
Chemtrails // Rastos Químicos
Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/ExposingChemtrailsWorldwide

Chemtrails Portugal: Geoengineering for dummies.

Ja reparou que o ceu anda menos azul?

Este é um blogue que tem como objectivo dar a conhecer e descobrir mais sobre Chemtrails. Podemos já estar habituados a ver estes riscos brancos no céu. Na pressa do nosso quotidiano nem paramos para os observar, apenas "passamos" por eles mas em todo o Mundo estes misteriosos traços estão associados a alterações climatéricas, utilização de metais pesados, problemas respiratorios e não só.

Um promenor a não ser descurado será o de um rasto normal de um jacto chamar-se Contrail e não durar mais de alguns minutos.

Não confundir com o tema deste blogue, Chemtrails, rastos que se mantêm por mais de 6 horas no céu espalhando-se e em conjunto com outros cobrem o céu de uma camada branca muito similar a nuvens.

Seja bem-vindo e por favor queira aprender mais sobre um tema que tem causado bastante polémica e interesse a grupos de pessoas de todo o Mundo.



(88) Chemtrails Portugal

Ewa in the Garden: Chemtrails in Algarve, Portugal

"Come out, I show you something," the Doctor said.

It was calm and sunny morning in the Algarvian countryside, 7 km from The Atlantic Ocean and 24 km from Faro (Portugal). The Doctor is living and practicing in Algarve for many years already.

"Look in the sky and don't think these are the regular trails left by the planes. They started it again, because the vacation season has ended and the tourists left. They don't do it in the summer, there is too many people from different countries, some may be aware what's going on..."

Do not think 'it doesn't concern me', because after you start to watch your sky and realize the difference, it may concern you as much as I am concerned about the chemical trails (chemtrails) spotted first in Portugal at the beginning of September 2014. Until that day I was not aware about the issue.

It was being addressed even at the United Nations gathering. You may watch it here:

It needs to be brought to the public attention in Portugal that their country is being sprayed.

Spraying is made for weather modification purposes.

Maybe it wouldn't be something to worry about if they wouldn't spray using different dangerous chemical elements which are affecting our health.

The Doctor who brought this subject to my attention said that there is a correlation between the spraying and the number of patients coming to him with health issues.

The word "chemtrails" comes from chemical trail, which means that there are chemical elements in the sprays they make.

You may ask who are "they" I am referring to. These are private companies, government agencies.

If photos are not convincing enough, watch the film from UN gathering where the issue was addressed.

[ArMaP]

So, you are saying that geoengineering doesn't exist and is of no importance?

If it doesn't exist then is of no importance, right?

But no, I didn't say that geoengineering doesn't exist, as I was talking (as you know) about chemtrails, don't change things to make it look like I said something I didn't say, it makes you look bad.

How would you have that opinion is you don't avail yourself of all available information?

When something is based on something we know does not work as advertised, do we need more information about it?

And exactly who are 'those talking about it' that you have based your opinion on?

I don't have a list of names of the people that present the information I got.

So, where do you get your information to make such opinionated observations?

You do know that videos aren't the only way of transmitting information, don't you? I suppose you have heard about something called "reading", an old-fashioned technique that still has its use.

What people? Certainly not people on videos, because you don't watch them.   

Not all people use videos to convey their message, some still write about it.

That's how it's done.   

Supposedly. So, when the winds change to an unexpected direction, what do they do, keep spraying regardless of where it is going to fall? The whole idea sounds as terrible way of doing things, highly unpredictable and too expensive.

Thank you for your opinion.

No problem, I can always give my opinion to those that ask, and even when nobody asked.

One might suggest you avail yourself of burntheships and Zorgon's magnificent work on geoengineering and chemtrails...right here on TLM.   

I'm not interested enough in this subject to spend more time with it.

FYI, regarding Portugal and geoengineering and chemtrails...

Thanks, but I'm not interested. I live here and I have been interested in meteorology for many years, and I haven't noticed any difference. The fact that some people do not know how things happen (the "crazy sprinkler lady" is an excellent example) doesn't mean that they should accept the first suggestion anyone shows them. Show me real facts (preferably in written format, so I can read it when I want to, at the speed I want, going back and forth at my own leisure), and I may look at them.

PS: what's the connection to Jade Helm? Maybe it was in one of the videos, but could you tell us? Thanks in advance.