STS-80 UFO Circle revisited

[JimO]

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Sprites and Elves have existed forever. They too are bright  have color and are a site to witness but very few people ever see those either because they are ABOVE the storm. Seriously Jim  Your desperation is getting downright ludicrous

Sprites/elves weren't noticed before because they are too brief to register on the human eye, except as a flicker. And if you haven't been living in a sack all your life you'd realize there are plenty of places people can observe the phenomenon with proper instrumentation, even above clouds -- from in the hills above  Denver, looking east for example.

Lastly, if you say that dot is 'over the horizon', you have no idea WHAT the cloud cover there is, the clouds in view on the TV screen are hundreds of miles from the more distant location you propose, your depth perception is delusional.

How far away IS the horizon -- afraid to do math?

[JimO]

" It's worth noting that other NASA astronauts, including Gordon Cooper and Edgar Mitchell, are convinced Earth has been visited by beings from another world."

It's worth noting Mitchell and Cooper stated they were aware of NO astronaut spaceflight encounters with UFOs, and Musgrave agrees. I think we can trust the real space travelers on this, and not waste anymore mass postings.

[ArMaP]

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Because I have never seen a case of something that looks like a small, bright, out of focus object appearing slightly change the shape of its border and to change its perspective while apparently moving away from the camera.
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Follow that line of reasoning. How far away would the object have to be to go 'over the horizon' from the shuttle?

What's the connection between what I wrote and that? I never said any thing about the object "going over the horizon".

You can see where this is leading.

I can, you implying things I didn't say.

Where are the eyewitness accounts from across a thousand miles of the ground, of thousands of people seeing a blazing light overhead?

Are the clouds under direct sunlight or are they on the night side of Earth? If they are on the night side, how can we see them so well in the video?

PS: I am trying to find more information about that video and about the camera, maybe you have that information closer at hand and can provide it? Thanks in advance in case you do.

[zorgon]

PS: I am trying to find more information about that video and about the camera, maybe you have that information closer at hand and can provide it? Thanks in advance in case you do.

Highly unlikely that Jim will provide this

[ArMaP]

Highly unlikely that Jim will provide this

That's the problem, people like Jim that don't provide that type of information when they have it and people like Martyn Stubs that for some reason doesn't provide better copies of his videos. 

[JimO]

How do I get permission to post attachments?

[JimO]

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PS: I am trying to find more information about that video and about the camera, maybe you have that information closer at hand and can provide it? Thanks in advance in case you do.

The Mission Control operational spec handbook section has been on my website for several years....

http://www.jamesoberg.com/INCO-CHB-CCTV1.PDF
http://www.jamesoberg.com/INCO-CHB-CCTV2.PDF

Zorgon, you're welcome to look at it too.

[JimO]

Another useful familiarization guide is the 'Rendezvous and Proximity Crew Flight Procedures Handbook', 1988 marked-up edition, which discusses operational features of thruster plumes and the TV views.

Handbook, table of contents
http://www.jamesoberg.com/Rendezvous_and_Proximity_Operations_Handbook-Part_1.pdf

[3-20] shape of thruster plumes
section 3.3.5, closed circuit television
3.8.1, RCS cross-coupling [3-107] rcs induced rates
http://www.jamesoberg.com/Rendezvous_and_Proximity_Operations_Handbook-Part_3.pdf

[zorgon]

Zorgon, you're welcome to look at it too.

Thanks but it is still sidestepping the question

[RUSSO]

I think we can trust the real space travelers on this, and not waste anymore mass postings.

Says who? you? 

Thank you for your recommendation but you can keep it for yourself. 

"The eye sees only what the mind is prepared to comprehend."
Robertson Davies, Tempest-Tost

[JimO]

Thanks but it is still sidestepping the question

How can I post attachments?

Please repeat the question.

Care to respond to my question about where the sun is in the sts-80 video of interest?

[JimO]

Says who? you? 

Well, if somebody says astronauts have reported actually seeing UFOs in space, I'd like to see some checkable evidence for it and not a million-times-mindless-re-echo on the Internet.

[JimO]

... Your 'space dandruff' just doesn't cut it on the one than moves over the horizon.
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But then you would have to explain how that space debris (or even 'space dandruff' ) managed to move into position, STOP and then maintain that position as the earth rotated until it was over the horizon.
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Just address the SPECIFIC question or move on

How far away would something 'over the horizon' be? Serious question because the preposition seems ambiguous -- is the object ABOVE the horizon as seen from the shuttle, or has it gone over the horizon and set behind it, as seen from the shuttle?

I don't see any earth rotation in the video, are you misinterpreting shuttle eastward motion as earth surface motion?

[JimO]

ARMAP, what other TV specs were you looking for?

[RUSSO]

Well, if somebody says astronauts have reported actually seeing UFOs in space, I'd like to see some checkable evidence for it and not a million-times-mindless-re-echo on the Internet.

So you can come with your self judge veredicts from echoes of your own creations? 

Why would I bother?

After all, are not every report on UFOs misidentifications of usual or unusual natural phenomena or then witnesses aren't telling the truth in those events where observation conditions exclude misidentification? Anyways, if they really exist, they sure would land in front of the white house, "take me to your leader", let's hold a press conference to the people of the world. right?