STS-80 UFO Circle revisited

[Pimander]

You can see where this is leading. Where are the eyewitness accounts from across a thousand miles of the ground, of thousands of people seeing a blazing light overhead?

The object was above storm clouds from a massive spectacular electrical storm.  The clouds will likely have been too dense for the object to be visible.  It may also not have been over a populated part of the globe.

I agree with ArMaP on this one.  It is not an ice particle and is nowhere near the shuttle.  That is why the camera operator had a look closer.  That is obvious.

[thorfourwinds]

How do I get permission to post attachments?

Greetings:

How may we be of assistance?

[JimO]

Greetings:

How may we be of assistance?

I have image files at home such as
G:\temp space u pix\tv-response-0.jpg
that I want to post, I don't see the precise commands,
sorry. 

[thorfourwinds]

One needs to upload the .jpgs to PhotoBucket (or similar) and drop the url between these:

[img ]http://place your URL here[/img ] AND DELETE THE SPACES IN THE BRACKETS

(The Mona Lisa pic in the toolbar generates the HTML)

You have great stuff, but not everything can be categorized as space debris.   

tfw
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Liberty & Equality or Revolution

Hec'el oinipikte  (that we shall live)

[zorgon]

Lastly, if you say that dot is 'over the horizon', you have no idea WHAT the cloud cover there is, the clouds in view on the TV screen are hundreds of miles from the more distant location you propose, your depth perception is delusional.

The POINT is that the object in question REMAINED STATIONARY over the storm as the shuttle moved in orbit away from that point

the POINT is that the NASA operator zoomed back in on that stationary object BEFORE it was out of range "over the horizon" from our point of view

Quite frankly you are an intelligent person. or so I had thought. You KNOW perfectly well what we are talking about

People on the ground are irrelevant to this because for all we know SOMEONE did see it and likely its reported in some UFO site somewhere

I know you have an agenda to push the ice particles  Does that make you a 'paid shill"  Well you make a living DEBUNKING every chance you get  You get on TV every time someone needs the Oberg Debunker and I am SURE you do not do that for FREE 

So "if the shoe fits"  that is what we call a 'paid schill"

But you should do an audience review  and see how many people are laughing at the same old story

It is obvious that you are stuck on your opinion.

It is obvious that you love to argue

It is also obvious that we disagree with your assessment

So I will now lock this thread to remove all the offending personal attacks  I think everyone has had their say and vented

[ArMaP]

ARMAP, what other TV specs were you looking for?

Thanks for those links, but I was looking for the specs for the camera that made that specific video, as I have seen some references to camera(s) with a low light level mode, so I would like to know if that specific camera was one of those and if it was using that mode or not.

If what we see is the Earth's night-side then I suppose it was on low light level mode, as we are able to see the clouds without any problem and the Earth doesn't look under direct sunlight, but as I don't know the time when that video was made (and the only thing I could find was that, apparently, that video was made on day 13 of the mission) I cannot be sure.

[zorgon]

I am unlocking this thread.

As far as I can tell all personal attack posts have been removed. If any were missed let me know

Let's play nice.... If we all agreed on everything it would be very boring here

I understand it can be frustrating, and yes for me too but that is why we have PM's

[zorgon]

It's worth noting Mitchell and Cooper stated they were aware of NO astronaut spaceflight encounters with UFOs, and Musgrave agrees. I think we can trust the real space travelers on this, and not waste anymore mass postings.

It is also worth noting that they made SPECIFIC points of saying not during their NASA missions something to do with not wishing to lose their pensions I would suspect

[zorgon]

That's the problem, people like Jim that don't provide that type of information when they have it and people like Martyn Stubs that for some reason doesn't provide better copies of his videos. 

Well Jim has always claimed that he knows where to find the original NASA videos with the time stamps on them. But he will never volunteer to link us to them. Last time he said we need to provide an exact time... but he knows that without having the original tapes that is impossible. All we can do is guess

Martyn's copies are intercepted transmissions using a large satellite TV receiver at a TV station. The videos he has on his channel are the best he has. Where would he get "better copies" if we can't get the NASA original? Had he not intercepted these, we would NEVER have seen them and NASA would have been happy

Though Jim would need to get a real job

As it was there was a big court battle over ownership of those intercepted signals...  I have that posted somewhere but that was ages ago

So round and round we go.  And Jim will never admit that the ONE that stays over the storm as the shuttle moves away CANNOT BY ANY CONCEIVABLE MEANS be a small particle near the shuttle

It is time to contact Story Musgrave and get a direst reply to that ONE and ONLY object.

[zorgon]

How do I get permission to post attachments?

Attachments are disabled here as a) they draw too much on the database and lock the forum and b) are too easy for someone to plant a malicious program.

If it is an image you can upload a copy to to YOUR own website and simply post a link here using the [img ][/img ] tags without that extra space  or click on the picture fram icon and paste the url

If it is a file you can a) post it on your site and link the url or b)send it to me via email and I can post it

[zorgon]

How can I post attachments?

See last post

Please repeat the question.

See previous to last post

Care to respond to my question about where the sun is in the sts-80 video of interest?

The position of the Sun is IRRELEVANT to the actions of the ONE object that moves over the storm, stops and holds position as the shuttle moves away and the NASA cameraman zooms in on it before it is out of range.

THAT is the ONLY object we care about

All the rest of the stuff your presenting does NOT address this object

[JimO]

It is also worth noting that they made SPECIFIC points of saying not during their NASA missions something to do with not wishing to lose their pensions I would suspect

OK, once you posit that Mitchell and Cooper are actively lying about their space experiences, you've cut the cord to eyewitness reality checking and are free to believe any imaginary factoid your heart desires. But can you produce a single case of a NASA person ever losing their pension, or any other retribution, for talking about UFOs?

[JimO]

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The position of the Sun is IRRELEVANT to the actions of the ONE object that moves over the storm, stops and holds position as the shuttle moves away and the NASA cameraman zooms in on it before it is out of range.

THAT is the ONLY object we care about

Remarkable how pushy you get about context features of the event that you declare off limits to discussion. How are we going to determine the source of illumination of the object in question if we don't know where it is relative to the sunlit and shadowed zones in front of the camera?

Now, you say 'out of range'. Put a number on that distance -- 10 miles, 100, 1000, or more? Create a hypothetical scenario that we can test.

[zorgon]

OK, once you posit that Mitchell and Cooper are actively lying about their space experiences, you've cut the cord to eyewitness reality checking and are free to believe any imaginary factoid your heart desires. But can you produce a single case of a NASA person ever losing their pension, or any other retribution, for talking about UFOs?

I do not know if they are lying  I just know when Ed sent me the autographed photo... during our chat he indicated as much. No I cannot quote him

I do not know how many NASA people have lost their pension I only know one that actually claims that  Clark C. McClelland.. and before you say he is a loon, remember he makes similar claims to having worked at NASA as you do  and you BOTH have a picture of yourselves sitting in that shuttle control seat  which is a public display at JSC that anyone can get a picture inside

I DO know that way to many NASA scientists are dying of mysterious deaths recently.   Another one just recently that I got from Dr Joe Resnick  And Joe was a true NASA contractor and hold severl top secret patents

Clark C. McClelland

[zorgon]

Now, you say 'out of range'.

yes Everyone else here has no trouble undersatnding what I mean. The object in question is obviously stationary over the are where it stopped and will soon be out of range of the camera as the earth rotates under the shuttle (or the shuttle moves along in orbit, and the object in its stationary position will soon be over the horizon

We do not need an hypothetical example, we do not need position of the sune nor estimated distance.

We can clearly OBSERVE where that object is LOL

No amount of word games or strawmen will change that