STS-80 UFO Circle revisited

[zorgon]

So which astronauts have been treated as lunatics for saying they encountered a UFO on a spaceflight?

Which astronauts have admitted seeing a UFO that they say was not debris?

Story saw a snake... He didn't say a HOSE  he said SNAKE

In 1963, Gordon Cooper was launched into space. On his final orbit, he reported seeing a glowing green object in front of his capsule in the distance moving towards his Spacecraft. The Muchea tracking station, in Australia, which Cooper reported the object to, picked up this Unidentified object on Radar travelling East to West.

So do you agree Cooper saw this? ( I haven't caught up in the thread yet)

Now Buzz told us he saw one... but then recanted . So which is it Buzz  did you see it/ or not?  Your debriefings say nothing to us if NASA won't release those debriefings

So he states publicly on youtube that they saw something and didn't report it for fear they may be recalled and then years later when someone quotes him on that he SUES him? Seriously?  I guess he needs the money eh?





And in the one about the Monolith... He says he sees no reason to return to the moon. Seems he has no idea the value of HE3 but he sure tosses out the teaser on the Monolith


..so much for a "trusted servant of our government"

Maybe when they all stop playing mind games and start just being honest we MIGHT believe them. In the meantime NASA is the laughing stock of the World  having to hitch a ride with Russians to get to the ISS

[The Seeker]

Makes one wonder what happened to Clark Mcclelland... I seem to recall he was stripped of his pension, or made claims to that effect...


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[zorgon]

Makes one wonder what happened to Clark McClelland... I seem to recall he was stripped of his pension, or made claims to that effect...

Well Clark fits the bill on an ex NASA non team player and having been ridiculed since


But what about BUZZ saying that the CHINESE will go back to the moon?

Well at least the Chinese know the significance of HE3   





But then Buzz is in bed with the Chinese anyway  Senior Science Ad visor of Gravwave LLC The company working on anti gravity and gravity waves with the Chinese

Go figure

[JimO]

Makes one wonder what happened to Clark Mcclelland... I seem to recall he was stripped of his pension, or made claims to that effect...

So rather than actually making an effort to find OUT, you're satisfied just 'wondering' about it?

That's a taunt, but the point is real. It is 'discoverable' whether or not McClelland had a NASA pension and then lost it. But nobody in the land of UFOria really seems to want to find out. Sad.

[JimO]

Which astronauts have admitted seeing a UFO that they say was not debris?

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In 1963, Gordon Cooper was launched into space. On his final orbit, he reported seeing a glowing green object in front of his capsule in the distance moving towards his Spacecraft. The Muchea tracking station, in Australia, which Cooper reported the object to, picked up this Unidentified object on Radar travelling East to West.

So do you agree Cooper saw this? ....

Cooper made that claim? Nowhere I've ever found. I'll bet you can't find him making that claim either. Are you really such a gullible naïf, or do you just play one on the Internet to exasperate me??

[zorgon]

Cooper made that claim? Nowhere I've ever found. I'll bet you can't find him making that claim either. Are you really such a gullible naïf, or do you just play one on the Internet to exasperate me??

Major Gordon Cooper

One of the original Mercury Astronauts and the last American to fly in space alone. On May 15, 1963 he shot into space in a Mercury capsule for a 22 orbit journey around the world. During the final orbit, Major Gordon Cooper told the tracking station at Muchea (near Perth Australia) that he could see a glowing, greenish object ahead of him quickly approaching his capsule. The UFO was real and solid, because it was picked up by Muchea's tracking radar. Cooper's sighting was reported by the National Broadcast Company, which was covering the flight step by step; but when Cooper landed, reporters were told that they would not be allowed to question him about the UFO sighting.

http://www.syti.net/UFOSightings.html


I suppose people just make this stuff up right? Just to exasperate you?

[zorgon]

Summary: This message was given to the U.N. by Astronaut Gordon L. Cooper, one of America's original seven Mercury Astronauts. Cooper orbited the Earth for a record 34 hour, 22 orbit flight in the spacecraft 'Faith 7', in May of 1963. He has been outspoken about the need for an open inquiry into UFOs - based on his own personal experience of sighting UFOs in space and the testimony of other Mercury, Gemini and Apollo Astronauts.

Astronaut Gordon Cooper's Message to the UN

"I believe that these extraterrestrial vehicles and their crews are visiting this planet from other planets, which are a little more technically advanced than we are on Earth. I feel that we need to have a top level, coordinated program to scientifically collect and analyze data from all over the Earth concerning any type of encounter, and to determine how best to interfere with these visitors in a friendly fashion.

We may first have to show them that we have learned how to resolve our problems by peaceful means rather than warfare, before we are accepted as fully qualified universal team members. Their acceptance will have tremendous possibilities of advancing our world in all areas. Certainly then it would seem that the U.N. has a vested interest in handling the subject quickly and properly.

I should point out that I am not an experienced UFO professional researcher - I have not as yet had the privilege of flying a UFO nor of meeting the crew of one. However, I do feel that I am somewhat qualified to discuss them, since I have been into the fringes of the vast areas of which they travel. Also, I did have occasion in 1951 to have two days of observation of many flights of them, of different sizes flying in fighter formation, generally from west to east over Europe. They were at a higher altitude than we could reach with our jet fighters....

If the U.N. agrees to pursue this project and lend the credibility to it, perhaps many more well qualified people will agree to step forth and provide help and information."


[Astronaut Gordon Cooper addressing a U.N. panel discussion on UFOs and ETs in New York, in 1985; Panel was chaired by then U.N. Secretary-General Kurt Waldheim.

The above message was given to the U.N. by Astronaut Gordon L. Cooper, one of America's original seven Mercury Astronauts. Cooper orbited the Earth for a record 34 hour, 22 orbit flight in the spacecraft 'Faith 7', in May of 1963. He has been outspoken about the need for an open inquiry into UFOs - based on his own personal experience of sighting UFOs in space and the testimony of other Mercury, Gemini and Apollo Astronauts.

Source: Nov. 1988 issue (Vol 1, No. 3) issue of UFO Universe magazine; Condor Books 351 West 54th St., New York, N.Y. 10019] 

[zorgon]

That's a taunt, but the point is real. It is 'discoverable' whether or not McClelland had a NASA pension and then lost it. But nobody in the land of UFOria really seems to want to find out. Sad.

I take people on their word... I take YOU on your word

So now your saying Clark is LYING too?   Seems everyone is lying but you  Hmmm

[JimO]

Which astronauts have admitted seeing a UFO that they say was not debris?

Story saw a snake... He didn't say a HOSE  he said SNAKE....

He saw TWO 'snakes', he loves talking about them to stretch the minds of his audiences, here's some exact quotes on his snakes
http://www.jamesoberg.com/musgrave.story_interviews.pdf

But he makes it clear it wasn't aliens:

http://www.jamesoberg.com/musgrave_ramble.pdf

In that interview, you need to watch it on youtube, Zorgon, he's talking straight to you -- on sts-80, he explains why people who think any of those pieces are 1000 miles away are mistaken. You ought to believe the on-site witness, Zorgon.

[JimO]

I suppose people just make this stuff up right? Just to exasperate you?

Close. They just made it up to sucker the weak-minded.

I see you admit I'd win my bet, you CAN'T find anywhere where Cooper tells this story.

Me, on the other hand, have Cooper's OWN view of that story, in a signed letter.

[thorfourwinds]

Greetings:

Jim, what a great place to answer my ONE question, please.

Is Cooper lying or not?

Thanking you in advance for your attention, participation and forthcoming honest answer: YES or NO.



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Hec'el oinipikte  (that we shall live)

[JimO]

I take people on their word... .....

I don't believe you're that foolish. But if you want to pretend you are, I'll play along.

Now, please describe your theory of the motion/range of the 'faraway dot' on the STS-80 video, which is the central issue of this thread.

How do you interpret the video's view of the dot [and why are you correct and Musgrave in error?]?

[zorgon]

He saw TWO 'snakes', he loves talking about them to stretch the minds of his audiences,

Yes that was my point earlier  They play MIND GAMES  He goes to UFO conventions to talk about his snakes because he KNOWS that UFO people will assume alien or space critter life forms.

So what are you two talking about in that picture? How to keep bamboozling the public? To what end? Who cares about stray hoses floating around that he wants to call snakes?

here's some exact quotes on his snakes

Forget the dang snakes. Have him tell us about the specific object that is the focus of this thread

But he makes it clear it wasn't aliens:

STUFF the Aliens... do you not get it yet? No one here is talking about aliens

In that interview, you need to watch it on youtube, Zorgon, he's talking straight to you -- on sts-80, he explains why people who think any of those pieces are 1000 miles away are mistaken. You ought to believe the on-site witness, Zorgon.

No because he is not addressing the specific object You keep saying "those pieces" You are a stubborn Mule  We are talking about ONE OBJECT  Is this really so hard for you to grasp? 

Ha I get it though... you have fun playing these games. Otherwise you wouldn't waste your time

[JimO]

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No because he is not addressing the specific object You keep saying "those pieces" You are a stubborn Mule  We are talking about ONE OBJECT  Is this really so hard for you to grasp? 

It would help us grasp it if you would provide a screen grab of the video with that object circled, and then describe how far away you think it is.

Ha I get it though... you have fun playing these games. Otherwise you wouldn't waste your time 

I do get a kick watching you beclown yourself over hoaxes such as the Mercury-9 UFO.

[JimO]

My research often assesses how one person's narratives is consistent or inconsistent with other narratives and with records and with known practices/limitations on tools involved. I cannot judge a person's internal motivations or beliefs. Patterns of inconsistency can be documented, but it's a step too far to generalize to patterns of deliberate deception, which I've rarely encountered.

Gordon Cooper acted like he wanted to give his audiences a good show, and his stories evolved to match the audiences he specialized in. His stories grew more and more 'incredible' as his range of audiences dwindled to midnight radio and UFO conventions and documentaries, probably as a result of his being shunned by the aerospace community in large part for costing people who trusted his business advice millions of dollars in lost investments.