Stephen Fry Annihilates God

[zorgon]

so let's play what if

I LIKE What If? 

what if
there were many layers of civilizations before us ..long before that we don't really know much about but have read or heard some stories

Yes we are the FIFTH  According to Tibetans and Rosicrucians.  It is also likely that the pre Inca sites with the puzzle stones are from the first race. Oddly enough the Tibetans say the first race were Giants (more on that later)

civilizations that
>had no need for the food of now..plants or animals..but had some other source of maintaining themselves
> had weapons of indescribable power.. things that flew and shot
> were able to mix genes with critters that resulted in combo's we consider myths
    i.e. griffins, centaurs, cyclops. sphinx, pegasus..etc.
> what if some of those combinations were mean and killed and were labeled demons

Sounds good  The Vedics speak of such weapons, so do the tales of Atlantis. The Genetic altering is already being reproduced today as well (see Livingmoon pages )  As to labeling that is the big issue in my book. Call it an Alien Gray or a Demon... a Tall White or and Angel... what is the difference. Its only a different name. Flaming Chariot/UFO  Flying Shield/Flying Saucer...  What's in a name?

> what if some of those combinations were so intelligent to be thought to start there own groups
   like isis and orsiris , Mictlantecuhtli  and Quetzalcoatl  , great spirits. etc
> what if most of those left from those ancient worlds had powers and were considered above the rest
   like odin, zeus,merlin

That would make all the Ancient Gods real and most likely fit the Atlantean tales of how the remnants spread all around the world taking some of the knowledge with them

civilizations  that
>had real knowledge of our power and how we recycled
>that died away from any number of things like
>over breeding, fighting, nature disasters, chemistry that didn't work

If one civilization is destroyed by war, pestilence, asteroid, cataclysm, etc... it would be highly plausible that in the early years they would retain some knowledge and some of the devices but as time goes on and the struggle to survive becomes more important, the skills are lost, the tools wear out and we start over.

IF the time span between these civilizations is long enough, all traces would vanish (except the huge megaliths that we find all over the world we cannot explain and the odd OOPART like the scalpels found in a 5000 year old grave

civilizations that got dumber and less knowing with each generation

Yes as they forgot the how and why... but remembered the motions. That explains why the GP is the best and all later pyramids got sloppier.  We can see the exact same thing today with NASA because NASA FORGOT how they got to the moon.  All the files were lost, no one kept good records and all those that worked on the project are gone or dead...  And this is only after about 40 years

and somehow down thru the ages  we have incorrectly labeled
things we truly don't know about
what if we just blunder around to the point of creating religions to account for our blundering around

That pretty much sums it up

what if we sit and remember some of what has been lost and attempt to step away from the herd

I am pretty certain that we do get sudden flashes of memory from the past.... or maybe even the possible future. If the government can make a LOOKING GLASS then perhaps certain people can also tune into those backward travelling light rays and get a flash of inspiration, like Goddard, Oberst and Tsiolkowsky who all three independently came up with the same liquid fuel rocket  and those three nations became today's space powers

OR

what if we DO recall our power and abilities but that dang meteorite hits in sept when the pope is visiting the city of brotherly love

just what will the ones who are left think then?  does it even matter
maybe we are just a hologram plying out some ones game after all

Sooner or later another asteroid will hit earth... That is inevitable. I have over 200 major craters documented...

Any survivors... the first thing that happens is the strong with take over, in small groups or gangs. Any food and technology that survives would soon be consumed. Concrete at best lasts 500 years before it falls to dust.  The glass windows of our buildings will soon break when no one is maintaining them, the steel will rust in another thousand years. My walkway gets weeds in the crack in about a month  If left alone in a few years those weeds crack the pavement  Dust blows in and more weeds grow... Nature takes over

Any metal will be reused and reused by the survivors but there will be no new metal smelted for a long time... electronics and data will be lost  and most of our knowledge is on that..

Books? A 100 year old book is already falling to dust under extreme care... no book would survive the elements for 1000 years unless stored in a special container  or written in stone or metal 

So a civilization vanishing with all but a few traces left behind is very easy.  The stories get retold and passed down through countless generations and they change, get embellished and edited, get translated to new tongues and retold...

Welcome to TODAY

back to ponder some more

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[zorgon]

For instance, if you have a question about working on a car, talk to a trained mechanic, not the software guy that put the maintenance manual into the computer. Or, if you want to know about a particular religious thing, then seek out those who have reason to have specific knowledge/involvement in your religious area of interest, not those who have no direct involvement with it! ................I think!

Well the problem there is that in the case of the car it is a physical object that one can learn expertise on... while with religion, ANY religion, it is a belief so NO ONE can be an expert on whether or not it is real.

The very fact that we have so many religions and then hundreds of variations and interpretations of those base religions is proof of that.  It is like a giant tree with endless branches. As soon as someone has an issue with an interpretation, they go off and start a new chapter. Martin Luther did not believe in Hell... so he created Protestantism. Henry the VIII wanted a divorce so he created Anglicism, the Irish pitted Catholics against Protestants and fought a bloody war for years over an interpretation... Sunnis want to wipe out Sufis  and visa versa yet they are both Islam...  on and on it goes... NO ONE is an expert  they are all just guessing

So your example is comparing oranges to basketballs :PBesides I asked many religious 'experts' in my early years... most of the time I got quotes scripture or told "It is not ours to question the way of God" 

Yeah right  sorry that don't work for me

So exactly HOW MANY animals got on that ark again?

Gimme a straight answer  don't quote scripture

[zorgon]

and yes it is a  but none of us seem to be able to see past our own firm view of things

There used to be a time when people listened to a teacher or a Master. In fact the Secret Societies were formed to have a place to learn stuff that was not in the norm (and could get you killed for thinking about it)  In those days there was peace in learning.  But today on the web, there are too many opinions on everything. No one is listening, they are all experts. They have all formed their beliefs and nothing can shake it.

Try and they call you names like shill or worse and go back into their personal La La Land 

my comeback is
what if there ARE NO experts in  those fields or inquiry ?..that's why I was playing at 'what if'

There can be no expert in a mythological belief   It is all merely opinion. Until someone can PROVE one of their Gods is real, it is all just opinion and belief

having no experts ... which is where I think we are
we all have found  a comfortable view and proceed to prove it
each using what feels right
it is also why while I totally respect your view on this subject  I also totally disagree with it 
but like my friend says to me all the time
it's all good

A Thousand Monks  A Thousand Religions...

Its a lonely journey... Hu-Mons have a need for others to believe as they do... most of them, that is  not all

So here is a WHAT IF for ya...

WHAT IF we are all on separate TIME LINES that are close and overlap... but differ in very slight and almost unnoticeable ways?  For example some see anomalies in moon pics as clear as day, other see blurry rocks... perhaps those that see the blurs are a little more removed from the timelines of those that see the anomalies

Just food for thought

As to the Gods... ALL OF YOU   stop messing around and show yourselves and end this charade of killing and feuding over which one of you is the BOSS

As conan said to Krom... "Grant me this or to hell with you!"   

[zorgon]

Roll up Roll up!!, Get your religion ere! take your pick ladies and gents ,

That's the SHORT LIST

[zorgon]

The angels who were cast into their hell which is Earth as they could no longer go home but had to remain here after their bad decision.

Dominion on SciFi has a good take on that

I think the various religions have built up false beliefs and fear for power and prestige and money. I think it is all very simple, the truth is written in our hearts and minds, DNA. I don't think we need do any ceremonies or anything but live decent lives and be patient.

On THAT I agree 100%

[zorgon]

That sounds like something from Sorcha Faal.

No actually its 30 plus years of research and my own conclusions. I have yet to decide if it is worth my time sharing

The sea shells found on Everest attest only to the truth of the Himalayas having been, some time in the past, under the sea, not that there was a Golden City on the sea coast and that the city is now buried in snow somewhere in the Himalayas.

The Golden City can be found in many Ancinet Texts  You need only look. In Fact Beth (Undo) did a lot of work related to that City

In Portugal, like in other countries, it's only seven.

Portugal lives in a different reality

Probably because we use a decimal numeric system.

No...

That would be interesting, at least to see how things would look in a different numeric system like hexadecimal.

Numerology is not exactly "a different numeric system like hexadecimal"  as it doesn't tally numbers

[ArMaP]

No actually its 30 plus years of research and my own conclusions. I have yet to decide if it is worth my time sharing

My Sorcha Faal comment was about the wording of your post, as if one fact (sea shells found on the Himalayas) makes the theory (a Golden City that was on the shore is now under the snow in the Himalayas) proved.

The Golden City can be found in many Ancinet Texts  You need only look. In Fact Beth (Undo) did a lot of work related to that City

Found in ancient texts is not the same as being real.

Portugal lives in a different reality

No, it's just a different culture, something that most Americans think doesn't exist, as they can only see their version of things. 

No...

I will wait for the evidence.

Numerology is not exactly "a different numeric system like hexadecimal"  as it doesn't tally numbers

I didn't say it was a different numeric system, what I meant to say was that I am interested in seeing how numerology applies to a different numeric system.
And if numerology doesn't tally numbers why is it called "numerology"?

[petrus4]

Sounds good  The Vedics speak of such weapons, so do the tales of Atlantis. The Genetic altering is already being reproduced today as well (see Livingmoon pages )  As to labeling that is the big issue in my book. Call it an Alien Gray or a Demon... a Tall White or and Angel... what is the difference. Its only a different name. Flaming Chariot/UFO  Flying Shield/Flying Saucer...  What's in a name?

Lots.  The term "angel," applies to a fairly specific class of beings, in my book; and usually also implies a fair degree of benevolence as well, although the Saturnine angels in particular have a somewhat roundabout way of expressing it, shall we say.

I'm also not terribly inclined to view the Tall Whites as friendly, from what little I've read about them.  Bad vibes.  As always, however, the Law of Correspondence applies.  If you're getting Machiavellian ETs visiting you in the middle of the night, it might be worth meditating on the ethical choices you've been making lately.

That would make all the Ancient Gods real

As far as I am concerned, they are.  I consider different pantheons analogous to different national governments; and usually the psychopomp of each group serves as its' diplomat.

[Gigas]

Body count of God vs Satan

G old
O il
D rugs

Billions die for thee above.

but the bible reports Using biblical numbers only: 2,821,364 killed

Satans death count is something like maybe 60.

Whoa, who's da big time killer here.

God shoved a hybrid type guy in a garden for amusements and later tore out a rib and made a "wo man", like in wo man look at that gurl. God told the two some, not to putz with those trees over there or else. He didn't say why or what, just don't fritzle with them over there. THAT, my friends is temptation cause you all know to tell a human that, will surely get them to become curious and wanna check it out.

Later on.....

Satan does nothing but lounges in the trees and goes pssst, go ahead, eat and yee shall become as gods.

Is that a crime. It is if you are naive to the spell you are under as to the body count.

The biblical death toll http://dwindlinginunbelief.blogspot.com/2010/04/drunk-with-blood-gods-killings-in-bible.html

Now for some pictures:

[space otter]

Gigas 

Gold and a thank you for putting it all in perspective 


especially this part

[rdunk]

Gigas, your numbers are pretty puny, as you have left out the billions of people who are going to die during prophetic last days of this Earth. You can find that explained in the Bible book of Revelation. Read it, then you can also add those numbers to your counts. Of course, at that time, the Church will have already been raptured out of here, so you won't be counting any of God's people for that then either! God does take care of those who are His!!! †††

Oh, but you do need to make one other computation change - satan IS RESPONSIBLE FOR ALL SICKNESS AND DISEASE and the associated deaths, and satan is also responsible for all deaths of natural causes too. So, when you figure out what those numbers are over the past several thousand years (hundreds of millions or billions of people), then you will get a quite huge number for your SILLY totals for satan caused deaths!

[ArMaP]

Oh, but you do need to make one other computation change - satan IS RESPONSIBLE FOR ALL SICKNESS AND DISEASE and the associated deaths, and satan is also responsible for all deaths of natural causes too.

He is?

[Dyna]

Billions die for thee above.

If you created a group of life forms, let's just make them virtual and you gave them free will and gave them sentience. Lets just say they meant a lot to you.

If they "died" what would that mean? You do have the pattern you can bring them back.

Now suppose instead they have an energy pattern that exists independent of the material form and they die...what would that mean to you?

In other words you have understanding that nothing dies, we see and think so small our lives are an instant and for all we know death is a really good part of life.

[Gigas]

Gigas, your numbers are pretty puny, as you have left out the billions of people who are going to die during prophetic last days of this Earth. You can find that explained in the Bible book of Revelation. Read it, then you can also add those numbers to your counts. Of course, at that time, the Church will have already been raptured out of here, so you won't be counting any of God's people for that then either! God does take care of those who are His!!! †††

Oh, but you do need to make one other computation change - satan IS RESPONSIBLE FOR ALL SICKNESS AND DISEASE and the associated deaths, and satan is also responsible for all deaths of natural causes too. So, when you figure out what those numbers are over the past several thousand years (hundreds of millions or billions of people), then you will get a quite huge number for your SILLY totals for satan caused deaths!

First, those are not my numbers but the numbers from the unholy babble.

Satan, from the unholy babble reports, this is his, and jesus can have some of it, if he were to bow to uncle satan, right now. That's from the unholy babble.

Then we have the dual personality God or Jesus or who'm ever he claims to be, playing games with himself as satan. They torture poor job by killing his family, blowing up his house, giving him boils all over his weather beaten body. anyway, the duo gods show what the games all about, POWER over the mortal souls who worship a killer(s). I put an S in ( ) cause god and satan are the same player.

Humans are expendable and mean nothing to these power hungry god. The whole things a lie built on promises, hope and faith, deception and more lies from the secret builders of the human race. By the way, where is the absentee god now days; can anyone tell us.

[zorgon]

Gigas, your numbers are pretty puny, as you have left out the billions of people who are going to die during prophetic last days of this Earth.

"Going to" doesn't count for a record of actual events

You can find that explained in the Bible book of Revelation. Read it, then you can also add those numbers to your counts.

So you are agreeing that GOD is a mass murderer... thanks for clearing that up 

Of course, at that time, the Church will have already been raptured out of here, so you won't be counting any of God's people for that then either! God does take care of those who are His!!! †††

He does? So you mean all those 250,000 killed in the Sumatra Tsunami were not God's people? Hmmm must be a select group of Chosen Ones then  Look you are welcome to believe your fairy tale if it works for you... but it doesn't work for me

Oh, but you do need to make one other computation change - satan IS RESPONSIBLE FOR ALL SICKNESS AND DISEASE and the associated deaths, and satan is also responsible for all deaths of natural causes too.

NO! He is NOT because God created NATURE not SATAN. Stop being a sheep and blaming him for what the other guy does.  This kind of logic is why I fight

So, when you figure out what those numbers are over the past several thousand years (hundreds of millions or billions of people), then you will get a quite huge number for your SILLY totals for satan caused deaths!

Where is it quoted in the Bible that SATAN causes natural disasters? You cannot just make stuff up. There is not even ONE serious preacher out there that will claim SATAN make Tsunamis. So show me the passage that says SATAN kills by Nature

WHO was it that destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah by Fire and Brimstone (Nuke )?
WHO was it that brought pestilence (disease) on the Egyptians?
WHO was it that created the FLOOD (Natural disaster) that wiped out all life on Earth (save a few critters)?

Worship if you must this God of Death but get your facts straight first


And what about the UNICORNS?