Stephen Fry Annihilates God

[rdunk]

Gigas, your post above simply reflects an extreme ignorance of what the Word of God in the Bible teaches!  If you would seriously read and study the Bible, you likely would see things a bit different. You might start with reading/studying the New Testament, as that is where Jesus is presented - start with Matthew chapter 1, and go through Revelation. Otherwise.................!!  Good luck!

[ArMaP]

rdunk, could you please tell me how "satan is also responsible for all deaths of natural causes too"?

[rdunk]

ArMaP, through Adam's sin satan brought death into the world, and everything that is related to death. Because of satan, as soon a someone is born, they are on the road to dying. Because of satan, all life on the planet is dying. but that all is going to change - "Death is swallowed up in victory"!

!Cor 15:
50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?

56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.

57 But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

[Gigas]

Gigas, your post above simply reflects an extreme ignorance of what the Word of God in the Bible teaches!  If you would seriously read and study the Bible, you likely would see things a bit different. You might start with reading/studying the New Testament, as that is where Jesus is presented - start with Matthew chapter 1, and go through Revelation. Otherwise.................!!  Good luck!

My post is relevant and righteous to the false teachings of men in the name of some obscure ghost of a god.


The real extreme ignorance of the unholy babble is all those words of god were written by men with facial tics that quivered as they feverishly sweated out an agenda to enslave the flock for fleecing. And do they ever fleece the flock. As a matter a fact the flock loves to be fleeced. Nothing more appalling than men who need a crutch for their lack of self righteousness. Ye are as gods, or, are men that ignorant and afraid to live by their own free will. See, free will is the catch all for those who refuse the indoctrination to the faiths. There it is, take it on faith, which I will not.

Religion, simply a prison for men's minds and wallets. OBEY the will of your god or suffer. Funny thing is, the will of the gods is the will of the flock fleecers who keep the dream alive by scripture from the unholy babble. It's for the rabble who don't know any better than to be fleeced over and over and over.

If I were to label myself right now, it would be GNOSTIC. Yes, i'm Gnostic and don't need a book to tell me how to live because I already know what this is.

So lets see how the men of the clothe get their flocks to fleecing. Jim and Tammy Baker took millions from their flock. And the flock loved it. Oral Roberts wanted 2.5 million or there abouts sighting god was going to take him if he didn't get that amount. Well, he missed his mark by a million or so and guess what, his god forgot all about him and he lived happily ever after.

Lets not forget gods man of the hour Jimmy Swaggert wimpering all over the TV about Jessica  Hahn and all the cash he needed to keep her quiet cause you know god don't like this poop to get around so pay the victims off to keep the charade moving.

Now we got that reverend Creflo Dollar fleecing the flock for a new 6.5 million jet aircraft so he fly around spreading his word for the untapped flocks.

Religion is a dirty business and any man who needs a god to stand on his own two feet should surrender to the Devil for the Devil owns this. That's what it says in the unholy babble written by men high on mushrooms and crack smoke in dark hot caves.

Edit to ad this video that every christian should watch  till it becomes clear.

[ArMaP]

ArMaP, through Adam's sin satan brought death into the world, and everything that is related to death.

So, Adam, created by god, sinned against god's orders by doing what Satan (created by god) said, and that makes Satan the responsible?

Did god punished Satan? Did god punish Adam?

[zorgon]

[zorgon]

If you would seriously read and study the Bible, you likely would see things a bit different.

I have read the Bible... I often use quotes from that Book of Stories to make my point... the difference is that I do not get the same interpretation as you do... 

You get asked a question,,, and like a good little flock member you quote some scripture out of that book that is meaningless to anyone not indoctrinated to your point of view. Sometimes it seems that Christians cannot answer a straight question without tossing verses out...

What they don't understand is that those verses do not help for someone who considers it a fairy tale...

Cain MURDERED Able... but for that crime he was merely sent away to marry a woman and become ruler of her people...  WTF?  Really? Hmmmm  I see a whole lot of issues with that scene

I also have a problem with Incest being the norm back in those days and now it is a sin... Seems things change for convenience to explain stuff

You might start with reading/studying the New Testament, as that is where Jesus is presented - start with Matthew chapter 1, and go through Revelation. Otherwise.................!!  Good luck!

My favorite part of your Book is when Jesus says to his 12 disciples  that to them he speaks plainly, but to EVERYONE ELSE he speaks in riddles so that hearing they do not understand....

Seems that has worked pretty good for 2000 years

And one more thing... since Adam and Eve were only created around 4000 BCish... How did two Caucasians manage to be the ancestors of Blacks Reds and Yellows etc in such a short time?

Point me to the scripture that shows were the races came from  I must have missed it

[zorgon]

And Behold!!! The Waters turned Blood Red!!!

[Elvis Hendrix]

    " You get asked a question,,, and like a good little flock member you quote some scripture out of that book that is meaningless to anyone not indoctrinated to your point of view. Sometimes it seems that Christians cannot answer a straight question without tossing verses out..."

Those verses are all they have.. That's it. That's the lot.. Stories written by people to try and make sense of life. A one stop shop of easy answers and rules . That's the only place they can turn to justify thier frankly twisted fairytales.

Remember Jack Nicholson shouting " YOU WANT THE TRUTH?.. YOU CANT HANDLE THE TRUTH "
Well that's what religion is for.
So it doesn't hurt when you ask the big questions.
Just read your Bible, It does it all for you.

Its Actually anti-Philosophy, anti history, anti science, anti Paleontology,
anti existentialism.

Anti EVERYTHING that might move us forward into some form of enlightenment.

Religion and your god whoever his name is, has his hands around our ankles,
while we try to swim.

[rdunk]

So, Adam, created by god, sinned against god's orders by doing what Satan (created by god) said, and that makes Satan the responsible?

Did god punished Satan? Did god punish Adam?

ArMaP, the answer to your questions is "yes", and very much so!

In Genesis 3, the term "serpent" is used in describing the deception of Adam and Eve - several terms are used in scriptures to denote "satan". For example, Rev 12:9 uses several of them together - "9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him".

And the serpent's lying deception was, as noted in Genesis 3:

4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:

5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

And the scriptures in Genesis 3 specifically describe the punishment of Adam, Eve, and the serpent.

To the serpent - 14 And the Lord God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:

15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.


To Eve God said -16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.


To Adam God said -17 And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;

18 Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field;

19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.


And God drove out the man from the Garden of Eden -  22 And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

23 Therefore the Lord God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.

24 So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.


So, the real gist of man's punishment was, the woman was going to suffer severe pain during childbirth, and the man was going to have to toil and work hard for his food from the ground. But for man and woman, the greatest harm was as God had declared - "they were going to die", because the had eaten from the forbidden tree. Adam and eve, and all of their descendants (including allof us) were meant to live forever - God told Adam he could eat from every tree of the Garden, and that included the "Tree of Life", and that was taken away!

Such a shame for all of man - but God has made a way for overcoming that stinking mess with His sacrifice of His Son Jesus, who is now, by his death, burial, and resurrection, our "TREE OF LIFE"!

ArMaP, I do hope that this answers your questions about this!

[Dyna]

Then how about this version

In the treatise The Apocalypse of Adam, the Gnostics presented us with a scripture that tells not only of Seth (and his father) but of the future of the esoteric tradition of gnosis in ages to come. It begins:

The disclosure given by Adam to his son Seth in his seven hundredth year. And he said: "Listen to my words, my son Seth. When God created me out of the earth, along with Eve your mother, I went along with her in a glory which she had seen in the aeon from which she came forth. She taught me the word of Gnosis of the eternal God. And we resembled the great eternal angels, for we were higher than the God who created us."

After thus informing us once again of the spiritually superior status of Eve, the scripture goes on to recount how the creator turned against Adam and Eve, robbing them of their glory and their knowledge. Humans now served the creator "in fear and in slavery," so Adam stated. While previously immortal, Adam now knew that his days were numbered. Therefore, he said he now wanted to pass on what he knew to Seth and his descendants.

http://gnosis.org/genesis.html

Funny I feel no need to worry over any of it, even though I enjoy reading and researching all of the various information.

[Gigas]

Religion is a disease, consuming the mind, eating away the soul, invoking madness.

It chains the victims to it's control system where the lost soul becomes enamored by its written word that you are nothing and there is a powerful hidden maker, which by the way, has never been seen, yet, demands you worship it only on faith.

The dawn of man, your early ancestors Adam and Eve ate a fruit in the garden where they were told not to touch that over there and now you, and everyone after you, shall suffer for what they did. Would you do that to your children and than hold it against them for the rest of their precious lives inflicting pain and suffering while claiming you love them.

Would you demand those children to worship you as you continue to punish them as you insist, from a book, you are a just and loving god as the little flock of ignorant people must pay for what two idiots of fiction did long ago.

Seriously, what the hell is wrong with people.

[zorgon]

Such a shame for all of man -

THIS is my problem with your Death Cult

There is no way a LOVING GOD would punish an entire species for thousands of years because ONE woman stole an apple...

If you want to blindly obey such a petty, spiteful malevolent Deity that is your choice... you are free to worship in FEAR...

To me a God that needs to be feared is no God but a Devil

I have Ferret... they are like kids and sometime get into trouble... I do not punish all Ferrets because one got onto a table and broke an expensive vase that I left out where they could get at it

Your Apple story is like that  Your Deity left the tree out there where it could be gotten at. He could have put a fence around it but no

When a Ferret gets ill, like the one that yesterday caught his claw in a hammock and his pae and leg got swollen, we were sad  and did what we could to help him. It is better today  the swelling is down... but we have to care for them, they cannot fend for themselves  We have to provide food because letting them hunt for food in the city is not an option...

Your Deity thinks its cool to drop man naked into a world where he can freeze his nuts off  literally. What kind of a God gets his jollies from that?

Gigas

The dawn of man, your early ancestors Adam and Eve ate a fruit in the garden where they were told not to touch that over there and now you, and everyone after you, shall suffer for what they did. Would you do that to your children and than hold it against them for the rest of their precious lives inflicting pain and suffering while claiming you love them.

Would you demand those children to worship you as you continue to punish them as you insist, from a book, you are a just and loving god as the little flock of ignorant people must pay for what two idiots of fiction did long ago.

Yup exactly that...

I had a group of Baptists ( I think) work the street.  The one gal that came up to my house was kinda cute So I took a minute to listen.  She explained to me how I had to join their religion so I would be saved because God was about to destroy the Earth

I asked her why would I worship a god that is about to destroy everything I cherish?

She looked at me dumb founded... she had no answer. 

I told her to come back when she could answer that... I never saw her again

[zorgon]

Funny I feel no need to worry over any of it, even though I enjoy reading and researching all of the various information.

I always enjoyed Religious discussions and in my years I have spoken to many top people in many religions... Oddly enough the ones in higher positions tend to be easier to talk to and DO NOT try to convert you  not ONE... I have spoken with Monsigneurs, Imams, Rabbis, Mormon elders and even once a few minutes with the Dalai Lama back in Toronto

All of them calmly answered questions, not one took offence or got angry and not one tried to convert me

Then how about this version

I went along with her in a glory which she had seen in the aeon from which she came forth. She taught me the word of Gnosis of the eternal God. And we resembled the great eternal angels, for we were higher than the God who created us."

So Adam was 700 years old and they took a ride in a GLORY and flew higher than the Angels



It is so easy to interpret these old works in modern terminology

Remember the NASA Christian engineer that set out to disprove the Exekial Spacecraft? He ended up proving it was one

[rdunk]

Religion is a disease, consuming the mind, eating away the soul, invoking madness.

It chains the victims to it's control system where the lost soul becomes enamored by its written word that you are nothing and there is a powerful hidden maker, which by the way, has never been seen, yet, demands you worship it only on faith.

The dawn of man, your early ancestors Adam and Eve ate a fruit in the garden where they were told not to touch that over there and now you, and everyone after you, shall suffer for what they did. Would you do that to your children and than hold it against them for the rest of their precious lives inflicting pain and suffering while claiming you love them.

Would you demand those children to worship you as you continue to punish them as you insist, from a book, you are a just and loving god as the little flock of ignorant people must pay for what two idiots of fiction did long ago.

Seriously, what the hell is wrong with people.

at you - look in the mirror for answers to some of your questions/thoughts.!