Italy Deports 1500 Migrants, Bulldozes Refugee Camp Italian nationalist-populist leader Matteo Salvini has removed hundreds of refugees By: Jay Greenberg |@NeonNettle on 12th March 2019 @ 1.00am © press
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Italy's Matteo Salvini has order the deportation of 1500 migrants and bulldozed a refugee campQuoteItaly's Matteo Salvini has order the deportation of 1500 migrants and bulldozed a refugee camp Italy's populist leader, Matteo Salvini, has recently continued his hardline approach to unwanted migrants in his country by deporting over 1,500 from a refugee camp in Reggio before bulldozing the site.Earlier in the week, Italian police removed around 1,592 migrants from the camp before flattening the shanty town where they were living.The refugees who occupied the camp have continually evoked the ire of Italian citizens across the nation.
The government eventually intervened following a series of recent incidents, including three deaths."They preferred to stay in the shanty towns, just abuse, and illegality," Minister of the Interior said, explaining that the government had attempted to offer other housing to the migrants, which was refused.
Nationalist Salvini said the elimination of the migrant camp "finally erased one of the most shameful slums in Italy, where degradation, lawlessness, and exploitation proliferated."
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Italy's populist leader, Matteo Salvini has taken a hardline approach to unwanted immigration
QuoteAccording to Breitbart, approximately 1,592 migrants have been removed from a shanty town migrant camp in southern Italy as part of the populist government's policy to dismantle squatter camps across the country.
The shanty town, formerly located in the southern Italian city of Reggio in Calabria, was bulldozed this week by police following a series of problems stemming from the makeshift camp in recent months, Italian newspaper Il Giornale reports.
Safety concerns at the camp have been a major issue, with fires breaking out over the last few months that have led to three deaths.The most recent being a 29-year-old Senegalese man who died last month.In the aftermath of the death of the Senegalese man, populist Deputy Prime Minister and Minister of the Interior Matteo Salvini said the government had offered up 133 places in migrant homes but only eight migrants accepted the offer."They preferred to stay in the shanty towns, just abuse, and illegality," he explained.
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Migrants were removed from the camp by police before it was bulldozedQuoteSalvini himself said that he was happy about the clearing of the camp, saying the migrant camps was a place "where degradation, lawlessness, and exploitation proliferated.""After years of talk, now the facts have come I thank those who helped achieve this result, starting with the prefect," he added.The removal of squatter camps was one of the main pillars in the recently passed migration and security decree drafted by Salvini in 2018.In Italy, Salvini has become synonymous with the "ruspa" or bulldozer after promising to clean up the country.
https://neonnettle.com/news/6770-italy-deports-1500-migrants-bulldozes-refugee-camp
EU to migrants: Go home and stay home
Fortress Europe hardens its heart.Three years ago, Merkel opened Germany's borders to a wave of refugees and migrants, mostly from Syria's civil war, saying "We can manage this." Now, Europe has decided it cannot manage even a much smaller flow of migrants — arrivals are 95 percent down from the October 2015 peak, according to official EU figures — and is prepared to go to great lengths to stop it.
It's hard to dispute Philippe Lamberts, the Belgian floor leader of the Greens group in the European Parliament, who said EU leaders had effectively buried the right to asylum in Europe.
"From now on, it will be virtually impossible to submit an asylum request on European soil," Lamberts said of the summit outcome. "Far from blocking the road to the extreme right, as some still try to pretend, the heads of state and government have adopted its program."https://www.politico.eu/article/europe-migration-refugees-drop-dead-angela-merkel-matteo-salvini-libya-italy-germany-refugees/
This report seems to TOTALLY IGNORE that these are not true refugees, but single military age MALES... But seems even Nerkel (Germany's Hillary :P ) had to change her toon to save her position
QuoteSuch was the price for temporarily saving German Chancellor Angela Merkel's job,
https://www.politico.eu/article/europe-migration-refugees-drop-dead-angela-merkel-matteo-salvini-libya-italy-germany-refugees/
'Pack your bags,' Italy's new leaders tell 500,000 illegal migrants — but it'll cost them
CNBC.com
Italy's new populist government has wasted no time in repeating its campaign promise to deport hundreds of thousands of migrants — although the financial, logistical and humanitarian implications of such an undertaking are only now becoming clear.
The right-wing Lega party, which formed a coalition government with Five-Star Movement (M5S) last week, is the driving force behind anti-immigration rhetoric and it is looking to fulfil a pledge to deport as many as 500,000 illegal migrants.
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/04/pack-your-bags-italys-new-leaders-tell-500000-illegal-migrants--but-itll-cost-them.html
Afghans paid to return home from Europe have second thoughts
Austria gave him $3,100 and a one-way ticket to Kabul. But nearly three years in Europe had changed him.QuoteNiazi, 27, is one of thousands of Afghan migrants who have been paid to return home by European governments. Austria gave him $3,100 and a one-way ticket to Kabul. The rest was up to him.
More than 400,000 Afghans lodged asylum claims in Europe for the first time from 2015 through 2017, according to European Union figures.
Hundreds of thousands of other migrants also arrived in E.U. countries during that period, including many fleeing conflicts, rampant corruption and extreme poverty in Africa and the Middle East.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/afghans-paid-return-home-europe-have-second-thoughts-n953781
From Sweden to Brexit, immigration is the issue dividing EuropeXenophobia is sweeping the continent. European agreement to address migration is vital
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QuoteThe message is glaring from Sweden's election result. There is one dominant issue in Europe's politics at present, and it is immigration. It rules in Italy and Germany. It rules in Hungary and Austria. It rules from Serbia to Scandinavia. It dominates every meeting of the leaders of the EU. It obsesses the United Kingdom, except there it cloaks itself in the euphemism of "reaching trade agreements with the rest of the world".
Europe's swing to the far right – or rather a surge in emotional xenophobia – was inevitable from the moment the European Union raced towards a single market in the 1980s, including an open market in people across the continent. Of the four freedoms of movement – in goods, services, capital and people – the first to fail was always going to be people.
An open border and the Schengen agreement on passport-free travel came in before the mass movement of low-cost labour from eastern Europe, and before the youth migration from Asia and Africa. Since geography renders Europe's southern border porous, there is no way Europe's governments, democratic or autocratic, will any longer tolerate unrestricted borders within the EU.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/sep/10/immigration-europe-sweden-elections-brexit
Spain Orders Mass Deportation of African Migrants(https://gdb.voanews.com/10354DBD-C2A9-401D-8573-C12ED9651797_cx0_cy2_cw0_w1023_r1_s.jpg)
Image released by the Spanish Guardia Civil on Aug. 22, 2018 shows damage done to a fence dividing the Spanish enclave of Ceuta and Morocco.
QuoteALGECIRAS, SPAIN —
Spain, known for having one of the most tolerant immigration policies in Europe and accepting boatloads of migrants when no other EU nation would, was expected to open its doors even wider under its new socialist government. But that policy now appears to be going in reverse.
In a country that has shunned anti-immigration currents prevalent in much of Europe, the mass expulsion of 166 Sub-Saharan Africans who forced their way through barbed wire fences last month and attacked guards along the Spanish north African enclave of Ceuta's border with Morocco, has become an embarrassment for Prime Minister Pedro Sanchez, officials and analysts say.
"Humanitarianism is not permissiveness" said Spanish interior minister Fernando Grande-Marlaska before a parliamentary hearing on Wednesday ."Orderly, secure and legal immigration is possible, but not violent migration that threatens our country and its security forces."
More than 600 migrants stormed across six-meter-high fences onto Spanish territory on July 26, hurling acid and feces, and firing home made flame throwers at border guards.Several members of Spain's Civil Guard police force were seriously injured in the struggle, triggering calls from their top commanders for an immediate crackdown.
Spain has generally enforced a policy granting asylum to migrants who reach Spanish soil by sea or through land borders around Ceuta and Melilla, enclaves that are surrounded by Morocco.
https://www.voanews.com/a/spain-orders-mass-deportation-of-african-migrants/4551044.html
We've already had this discussion before about how the massive influx of young and mostly LAZY young primarily muslim males was causing total mayhem and chaos in most of the EU...
Now the pendulum is beginning to swing the other way with the above reports, but I have to ponder if the damage already caused is irreversible, and just how far it will go, how long before reports of more violent situations arise...
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Seeker
Quote from: The Seeker on March 27, 2019, 09:47:34 AM
We've already had this discussion before about how the massive influx of young and mostly LAZY young primarily muslim males was causing total mayhem and chaos in most of the EU...
I don't want to be hateful towards Muslims at this point. I simply remember the last New Year's Eve celebration I went to in Melbourne, in 2000. There were people sitting in the middle of the road on the Yarra bridge at midnight, which was something that could ordinarily never happen at any other time of the year. There were tens of thousands of people in a space of less than two kilometers, and it was completely peaceful; even joyful.
I do not associate that kind of universal peace with Islam. I see Islam as being associated with the opposite. I know that what happened during that New Year's Eve could never happen again now, and Muslims are very largely responsible for that. I have always believed that if Islam had never existed, the world would be an immeasurably safer, more peaceful, and generally better place.
Quote from: petrus4 on March 28, 2019, 02:05:58 AM
I don't want to be hateful towards Muslims at this point.
Singling out the White Neo Nazi's does not make you hateful towards Whites :P
That's actually a good point, Zorgon. It's just that the media forced this narrative that labels people hateful towards the whole group even if they're only singling out individuals.
Hungary Builds Border Fence, Illegal Immigration Drops By 99%(https://cdn.newspunch.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/hungary-border-fence-immigration-678x381.jpg)
QuoteHungary has defied George Soros and proved the European Union wrong, solving the illegal immigration crisis in their country with one simple move — building a border fence to protect their unique culure and sovereignty from invaders.
With Washington stalled on the debate over Trump's border wall, Hungary is proving that border walls are very effective at successfully ending illegal immigration and securing borders.
Hungary's border fence, which was completed in 2015 despite facing opposition from the European Union, George Soros and Angela Merkel, has proved incredibly successful, cutting the number of illegal immigrants from 391,000 in 2015 to just 1,184 in 2017.
https://newspunch.com/hungary-builds-border-fence-illegal-immigration-drops-by-99/?fbclid=IwAR0EInycNBZdD-1bFSjyPLTshCaDuHhFW2f1Y7l3bCCtnEDf6Yhtr4bVH7o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3L2SCPpmvBM
Quote from: The Seeker on March 27, 2019, 09:47:34 AM
We've already had this discussion before about how the massive influx of young and mostly LAZY young primarily muslim males was causing total mayhem and chaos in most of the EU...
People that entered European countries as refugees have to go through a lengthy process before they are inserted in the community, and during that period they cannot get a job, so seeing large groups of men doing nothing doesn't automatically mean they are not working because they do not want to.
Quote from: ArMaP on March 30, 2019, 08:07:25 PMso seeing large groups of men doing nothing doesn't automatically mean they are not working because they do not want to.
Then WHY do Saudi Scholars say that the problem with Arab Countries is they don't want to work?.. You can be as naive as you wish but the reality is that those countries are shit hole countries because they do NOT want to work. They came to Europe because they were promised free stuff..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0K7A_V7XHQ
But what about Portugal? It seems that the government CLAIMS to WANT those refugees while the rest of Europe wants to get rid of them> So problem solved YOU GUYS take them all in and deal with them :P
Oddly enough though, they SAY they want them but in reality very few have been let in and those that have have women and children with them and are NOT the hordes of young male seeking to cause havok
Italy Says 'Goodbye' while Portugal Says 'Hello' to Migrants
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QuoteItaly Says 'Goodbye' while Portugal Says 'Hello' to Migrants
By Maya Margit | The Media Line
July 5, 2018
Syrian refugees at Budapest's Keleti Train Station in 2015. (Wikimedia Commons)
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Despite pledges from the Portuguese government to accept thousands of refugees, it has not taken in many
While European Union countries are closing their doors to migrants trying to flee war and persecution, one country is doing the exact opposite. Portugal has vowed to welcome thousands of refugees and other immigrants in the coming years, in a bid to combat a declining population.
"We need more immigration and we won't tolerate any xenophobic rhetoric," Portuguese Prime Minister Antonio Costa recently said at a Socialist Party gathering.
Costa's statement stands in stark contrast to Italy, whose Interior Minister Matteo Salvini just last weekend called for a pan-European alliance to curb "mass immigration."
https://themedialine.org/news/italy-says-goodbye-while-portugal-says-hello-to-migrants/
Oh wait I forgot Portugal is Socialist :P
Well your welcome to have them :D
Quote from: zorgon on March 31, 2019, 02:18:09 AM
Then WHY do Saudi Scholars say that the problem with Arab Countries is they don't want to work?.. You can be as naive as you wish but the reality is that those countries are shit hole countries because they do NOT want to work. They came to Europe because they were promised free stuff..
Islam's original adherents were desert-borne farmers. Sand is not a good medium for crops at the best of times, and especially not when said land has become littered with depleted uranium.
It should not be considered excessive sympathy for Islam, to observe that the American military's own lack of restraint is primarily responsible for the current migration crisis. American military actions, beginning in 1990 with Desert Storm, have either destroyed or destabilised the governments of numerous countries with Islamic majorities, and have ended the period of relative Muslim dormancy which began with the fall of the Ottoman Empire at the beginning of the First World War.
"Now listen, you people of NATO. You're bombing a wall, which stood in the way of African migration to Europe and in the way of al Qaeda terrorists. This wall was Libya. You're breaking it. You're idiots, and you will burn in Hell for thousands of migrants from Africa."-- Muammar Gaddafi, March 2011.
The two Bush presidents broke open the Islamic hornets' nest. There might have been some terrorist incidents before that, but the Islamic population didn't have the sort of drive for universal expansion before that, which they do now. We can blame the Muslims for what they are doing
now, but I am not inclined to blame them for the series of actions which initially antagonised them, and provoked them into action.
Islam, as with early Christianity, has primarily thrived among illiterate, agriculturally oriented populations, usually with a barely post-Stone Age level of technology. If you carpet bomb the land which such people farm, then you completely destroy any ability that they may have previously had to feed themselves; they have nothing to fall back on, because they do not have the necessary education. America's wars have artificially induced an equivalent of the Bronze Age collapse, and the current Islamic migrants can be directly compared with the Hyksos ("sea peoples") who terrorised the Mediterranean coast during that period.
Their migration has the same cause. They no longer have their farmland, so they have abandoned their own territories in order to try and find other sources of food.
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Quote from: zorgon on March 31, 2019, 02:29:35 AM
Oddly enough though, they SAY they want them but in reality very few have been let in and those that have have women and children with them and are NOT the hordes of young male seeking to cause havok
The fact that we don't see women in the photos doesn't mean that there aren't any, only that they were not present when the photos were taken, which, considering the situation, would be expected, if I had wife and kids on that situation I wouldn't like to have them with me on possible dangerous situations.
Also, there's a difference between migrants and refugees, most real refugees have their families with them, while most migrants move alone.
Being a small country makes it difficult to receive a lot of people. Also, as we are a relatively poor country by European standards, some refugees prefer other countries and move away when they see we are not rich. :)
QuoteOh wait I forgot Portugal is Socialist :P
No, the present government in Portugal is led by the Socialist party, with the help (in parliament) of the Bloco de Esquerda (Left Block) and Communist parties.
QuoteWell your welcome to have them :D
I am, they are as welcome as all other people we already have here, people from EU countries, Brazil, Portuguese speaking African countries, Morocco, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Tibet, etc., I have seen people of all those origins here in Almada.
PS: do not assume that "Socialist" has the same meaning in Portuguese politics that it has in US politics, things are different.
Quote from: petrus4 on March 31, 2019, 04:34:58 AM
It should not be considered excessive sympathy for Islam, to observe that the American military's own lack of restraint is primarily responsible for the current migration crisis. American military actions, beginning in 1990 with Desert Storm, have either destroyed or destabilised the governments of numerous countries with Islamic majorities, and have ended the period of relative Muslim dormancy which began with the fall of the Ottoman Empire at the beginning of the First World War.
Exactly, first the UK with its failed colonialism and then the US with its colonialism disguised as "spreading democracy" have been responsible for many of the problems we have now, as they acted as if their actions could not have bad consequences.
Quote from: zorgon on March 31, 2019, 05:51:29 AM
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But a government forbidding a group of people from following their own traditions is not oppression. ::)
Dressing up like a ninja so none of your body is exposed because otherwise it would be considered "PRESENTING" is not tradition it's protection plain and simple.
Quote from: ArMaP on March 31, 2019, 01:50:25 PM
Also, there's a difference between migrants and refugees, most real refugees have their families with them, while most migrants move alone.
A point I have been making all along. No one has problems with REAL refugees...its the hordes of angry migrants that is the problem
QuoteBeing a small country makes it difficult to receive a lot of people. Also, as we are a relatively poor country by European standards, some refugees prefer other countries and move away when they see we are not rich. :)
So your saying that the migrants figure they can't get enough free stuff from Portugal because your poor :P That kinda proves my point :P
Quote from: Ellirium113 on March 31, 2019, 03:11:33 PM
Dressing up like a ninja so none of your body is exposed because otherwise it would be considered "PRESENTING" is not tradition it's protection plain and simple.
The protection is because it seems these males cannot look at a girls body part without triggering a desire to rape :P
Not that long ago in Afghanistan, Iran and Iraq girls dressed like they do here, even wore bikinis... That was about the time of the Shah of Iran...the 70's...
then came the extremists and took over This is a group of girls actually going to college in Tehran pre 1979
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NszCNZLGuDs
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How Iranian Women Dressed In The 1970s Revealed In Old Magazines (https://www.boredpanda.com/iranian-women-fashion-1970-before-islamic-revolution-iran/?utm_source=google&utm_medium=organic&utm_campaign=organic)
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Quote from: zorgon on March 31, 2019, 06:46:50 PM
So your saying that the migrants figure they can't get enough free stuff from Portugal because your poor :P That kinda proves my point :P
Not migrants, refugees. Migrants usually go directly to the country they want to live in, refugees take what they can get, as they are treated in a different way.
But yes, some are looking for the best deal possible instead of just getting out of a bad life.
Quote from: zorgon on March 31, 2019, 06:53:24 PM
Not that long ago in Afghanistan, Iran and Iraq girls dressed like they do here, even wore bikinis... That was about the time of the Shah of Iran...the 70's...
then came the extremists and took over This is a group of girls actually going to college in Tehran pre 1979
But why did the extremists came?
Quote from: ArMaP on March 31, 2019, 07:59:39 PM
But why did the extremists came?
THAT is a good question actually
I here people saying most Muslims are nice people... and all those I have net have been...
I even took on an alternative persona in the form of an Arab Sheikh and had my own bellydancers :P That persona is Omar Kharin Ali Allah Akbar. No Arab EVER took offence, in fact many tried to help me make the character more realistic.
Sorry for the bad picture this was before digital camera and lighting was poor Samira is in center I am to her left in black
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In fact the SCA Kingdom I am in is Kingdom of Caid which is predominately Middle Eastern personas..
But something changed Suddenly the hatred started to rise... our belly dancers were getting insults and threats even.
Was around the time of the Iraqi Gulf War....
Wikipedia says:
One of the most dramatic changes in government in Iran's history was seen with the 1979 Iranian Revolution where Shah Mohammad Reza Pahlavi was overthrown and replaced by Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini. The patriotic monarchy was replaced by an Islamic Republic based on the principle of rule by Islamic jurists, (or "Velayat-e faqih"), where clerics serve as head of state and in many powerful governmental roles. A pro-Western, pro-American foreign policy was exchanged for one of "neither east nor west", said to rest on the three "pillars" of mandatory veil (hijab) for women, and opposition to the United States and Israel. A rapidly modernizing, capitalist economy was replaced by a populist and Islamic economy and culture.
The leader of the revolution and founder of the Islamic Republic, Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, was Iran's supreme leader until his death in 1989.[4] He was followed by Ali Khamenei.What this does prove though is that a very small number of RADICAL can and do take over... despite the fact that the majority of Muslims are peaceful...
It happened in Germany with Hitler... look were that got us
The reason it happens is because the silent peaceful majority NEVER steps up to stop the radical in their own country...
This answer has to be THE BEST EVER
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-vvoRwJSPc
But that still leaves us the question...
What started the sudden switch? Who is behind it? I have heard the Khasars are responsible, who are supposedly the roots of the Zionist Jews and the Saudi's
Well both Israel and Saudi Arabia certain;t have been behind a lot of recent political events
It is like dangerous to dig into that Mike Singh was banned from ATS when he offered proof that the MOSSAD was behind 9/11 and Congress says we can sue the Saudi's for 9/11, something that Obama vetoed, but that veto was overturned in a unanimous vote against (all but one nay... Harry Reid)
The "Deep State" (used to be called the Cabal, PTB or THEM :P ) has an agenda and this is part of it... mostly in the US but the rest of the world as well
WHY have we allowed a Muslim that hates Israel and our way of life (and is outspoken about it) into a seat in Congress?
HOW did this happen exactly? Two positions sworn in to the system using the Qu'ran and both of those are members of that new Justice Democrats group...
Now we saw how quickly AOC's Green Deal was shot down ... so there is hope..
But we need to look at the brains (and money) behind this movement... Mark my words it WILL be a serious issue in the next few years
Quote from: zorgon on March 31, 2019, 09:27:12 PM
What this does prove though is that a very small number of RADICAL can and do take over... despite the fact that the majority of Muslims are peaceful...
It happened in Germany with Hitler... look were that got us
Not only that, it also proves that, when the people thinks the government is not doing what they are supposed to do (support the people, keep the country's traditions, specially in a country with such a rich history like Iran, etc.) the people will follow the first leader/group that appears to do what they are wanting to be done.
In Iran it was getting rid of a monarch that was turning the Iranian culture into an American-like culture, moving away from the tradition religion, not keeping the promises of economic growth and making disappear their political opponents.
In Germany was mostly the terrible economic situation and the presentation of the Jews as the source of the problem.
Now we are seeing in Europe political parties appearing to solve the "immigration problem" or the "refugees problem", so people do the same thing and follow them without thinking.
QuoteWhat started the sudden switch? Who is behind it? I have heard the Khasars are responsible, who are supposedly the roots of the Zionist Jews and the Saudi's
Things in the Middle East turned worst when the UK decided that, instead of giving that land to the Palestinians, as they had said they would do, decided to give it to the Jews for the creation of Israel.
QuoteWell both Israel and Saudi Arabia certain;t have been behind a lot of recent political events
Both have a strong influence in the US, one because of the amount of oil they have, while the other has a more complex connection.
QuoteIt is like dangerous to dig into that Mike Singh was banned from ATS when he offered proof that the MOSSAD was behind 9/11 and Congress says we can sue the Saudi's for 9/11, something that Obama vetoed, but that veto was overturned in a unanimous vote against (all but one nay... Harry Reid)
Mike Singh's banning was not because of the topic of his thread.
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Taking america from within. Read this list of names!
Christine Miller
March 25 at 10:28 PM
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HERE GOES: This is how many Muslums serve in public office
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Maimona Afzal Berta CA Franklin-McKinley School Board WON
Jihan Aiyash MI Hamtramck Public School Board WON
Javed Ellahie CA Monte Sereno City Council WON
Hazim Yassin NJ Red Bank City Council WON
Haseeb Javed VA Manassas Park City Council WON
Farrah Khan CA Irvine City Council WON
Ali Taj CA Artesia City Council WON
Alaa Matari NJ Prospect Park Borough Council WON
Alaa "Al" Abdel-Aziz NJ Paterson City Council Ward 6 WON
Aisha Wahab CA Hayward City Council WON
Ahmad Zahra CA Fullerton City Council District 5 WON
Salim Patel NJ Passaic City Council WIN
Sabina Zafar CA San Ramon City Council WIN
Judiciary-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Shahabuddeen Ally NYC Civil Court, NY County WON
Sam Salamey MI District Courts, District 19 WON
Rabeea Collier TX District Courts, 113th District WON
Halim Dhanidina CA Court of Appeal, Second Appellate District, Division Three WON
George Abdallah Jr. CA Superior Court of San Joaquin County, Office 12 WON
In breaking these down by state, Deplorable Kel formulated a list.
California
Cheryl Sudduth – West County Wastewater District Director
George Abdallah Jr. – Superior Court of San Joaquin County, Office 12
Halim Dhanidina – Court of Appeal, Second Appellate District, Division Three
Maimona Afzal Berta – Franklin-McKinley Board of Education
Javed Ellahie – Monte Sereno City Council
Al Jabbar – Anaheim Union High School District Board of Trustees
Ahmad Zahra – Fullerton City Council District 5
Aisha Wahab – Hayward City Council
Ali Taj – Artesia City Council
Farrah Khan – Irvine City Council
Sabina Zafar – San Ramon City Council
Florida
Amira Dajani Fox (R) – State Attorney
Georgia
Sheikh Rahman (D) – State Senate District 5
Illinois
Sadia Gul Covert (D) – Dupage County Board District 5
Indiana
Andre Carson (D) – 7th Congressional District
Iowa
Ako Abdul-Samad (D) – State House District 35
Maryland
Sabina Taj – Howard County Board of Education
Michigan
Rashida Tlaib (D) – 13th Congressional District
Abdullah Hammoud (D) – State House District 15
Abdul "Al" Haidous (D) – Wayne County Commission District 11
Sam Baydoun (D) – Wayne County Commission District 13
Adel A. Harb – Wayne County Circuit Court
Sam Salamey – District Courts, District 19
Minnesota
Ilhan Omar (D) – 5th Congressional District
Keith Ellison (D) – Attorney General
Hodan Hassan (D) – State House District 62A
Mohamud Noor (D) – State House District 60B
Siad Ali (D) – District 3 member of the Minneapolis Board of Education
New Hampshire
Aboul Khan (R) – State House Rockingham 20 District
Safiya Wazir (D) – State House Merrimack 17 District
New Jersey
Assad Akhter (D) – Passaic County Board of Chosen Freeholders
Alaa "Al" Abdel-Aziz – Paterson City Council Ward 6
Mohammad Ramadan – Passaic County Board of Education
Alaa Matar
HOW DO YOU FEEL NOW????!!
A total of 468 seats, 33 Senate and all 435 House seats are up for election on Nov.3,2020.
TIME TO CLEAN HOUSE!
It would be nice if there truly was separation of Church and State and religion played no role on politics but unfortunately, things don't work that way.
Pennsylvania politicians recently started off a session with a prayer after swearing in the first Muslim representative. Is this any better?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZAnOTR-gM4
::) ::)
Quote from: zorgon on April 01, 2019, 07:35:04 AM
HOW DO YOU FEEL NOW????!!
Disgusted but not surprised ::)
To borrow from Rush Limbaugh, we are immersed in a nation of mind-numbed robots and they need to WAKE UP!!!!!
QuoteA total of 468 seats, 33 Senate and all 435 House seats are up for election on Nov.3,2020.
TIME TO CLEAN HOUSE!
Spread the world, if any of you lot really care about this country, copy the above post to your FaceBook timeline, email it to your friends and family, post it on any site or forum you have access to...
The Time to
ACT IS NOW!!!Seeker
Every Great Civilization eventually falls into chaos and corruption and then falls to the "Barbarian Hordes"
I am 67 I am sure it won't reach me here in Nevada before I feed the wyrms... but I do fear for my daughter after I am gone. Fortunately for us we have GUNS and a mind set to use them if need be. The Bundy Ranch case was proof of that when we sent the BLM hired goons packing without a shot fired. It is a maverick state and home to many top military bases...
Can't escape to Canada (that was Plan B) because it is getting worse there now. Cost of lining in any descent city is out of reach and I can't go to the North and rough it anymore.
The same Liberal insanity has taken hold A "Carbon Tax" om every citizen to pay for the global warming scam (when Trudeau accidently admits it will do nothing to help the environment) yet giving FREE money to Muslim families that Canada is bringing in at the expense of the elderly A mere $1.28 a month increase in Old Age pension is all they get
Canadian Households To Pay $1,100 Per Year In Carbon Taxhttps://capforcanada.com/canadian-households-to-pay-1100-per-year-in-carbon-tax/
Look at the comments... Trudeau is currently the most hated person in Canada
"Trudeau prefers the elderly were dead so he can replace them with 8 person African families who will all vote Liberal."
"Trudeau is the most dangerous and foolish PM in history. A natural destroyer of freedom and democracy, and a communist like father and brother."
"Justin, so why would you add to the burden of seniors who are having issues buying groceries, paying their electricity bills, insurance that keeps on rising, home fuel and then the Federal Gov't gives them a whopping $1.28 a month raise in OAS & CPP.....seriously not hard to see you are living high on the hog on our taxes, disgusting you have become an arrogant disrespectful moron!"
We're finally told what the carbon tax will cost us. Are you sitting down?QuoteSimply put, carbon taxes were enacted on a false premise: That economists can design carbon taxes that lower emissions at the least possible cost while shielding the economy from the drag of an added tax. And they surely can — on a blackboard.
One could design a carbon tax that's revenue neutral, that supplants carbon-limiting regulations, that starts at the social cost of carbon, properly deflated for the cost of raising funds and the discount of the future value of funds. That model is well established, but that's not how we implement carbon taxes in Canada. Here, carbon taxes have become simply a tax-and-spend model that lets governments spend ever more trying to pick winners and losers in the energy sector.
That's one reason why Ontario Premier Doug Ford, Alberta UCP Leader Jason Kenney, Saskatchewan Premier Scott Moe and others have called for ending carbon tax mandates in Canada, and for repealing current carbon-pricing systems in Ontario and Alberta. Now it's time for the Trudeau government to admit that its proposed carbon tax will significantly burden families across Canada today for a climate benefit too small to measure by 2100.
It's time to unwind carbon pricing and focus instead on where we can reduce greenhouse gas emissions by, for example, facilitating natural gas production and transport and by investing in fundamental research and development to find lower-emission ways to generate energy that are less expensive than affordable alternatives such as natural gas, oil and coal.
https://business.financialpost.com/opinion/and-heres-your-very-small-carbon-bill-canada?fbclid=IwAR2NhQPj9c4q0cdymiNFghTOqqUu7UiPUpozsIkxbdcO-bQ8cWfb8PZMgkk
LaVoy Finicum was sort of collateral damage in that whole mess.
Apologies for formatting errors. This is the only site where I have this problem.
Won't say "I told you so!" errr well yes I will actually :P
So the other day I pointed out that it seems NO ONE is considering the disease factor.
Once upon a time to get accepted into the USA you had to have a medical check for certain diseases. I know we did. If you had any one of those on the list, your application was denied..
Well i was wrong seems someone else is looking at it:
More Than 2,000 People In ICE Custody QUARANTINED In Outbeak Of Infectious Diseases (https://www.dailywire.com/news/44568/more-2000-people-ice-custody-quarantined-outbeak-emily-zanotti)
More than 2,000 people in ICE custody quarantined for contagious diseases (https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/11/politics/ice-custody-disease-quarantine-health/index.html)
More Than 2,000 Migrants In ICE Detention Centers Quarantined For Disease Outbreaks (https://www.huffpost.com/entry/ice-detention-centers-migrants-mumps-quarantine_n_5c87210de4b0ed0a00168f59)
Just to be perfectly clear..
It seems most people are deliberately turning a blind eye to the Muslim situation...
We all know of the NO GO ZONES that have appeared in Europe, areas taken over by Muslims where even the police are afraid to go in to...
Well here is one in SYDNEY AUSTRALIA A reporter attempts to go and just walk on the streets. She is accosted by the Australian Police...
Wake up people this is a SERIOUS situation and is spreading fast around the world
Thrown Out Of Sydney No Go Zone
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LqY4Z1fTrMc
WHY is there no multiculturalism allowed in other countries but the West?
WHY are we to ONLY ones expected to ALLOW it?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOV53YCzvW8
So yesterday we have THIS:
Controversial PA House Opening Prayer March 25, 2019https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZAnOTR-gM4
And today we have THIS:
Muslim PA State Rep Calls Prayer to Jesus Christ in Legislature 'Highly Offensive,' Demands Apology(https://conservativefighters.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/Untitled-14-2.jpg)
QuoteThe first Muslim representative elected to the Pennsylvania legislature is demanding an apology from another member who began their session with a prayer to Jesus Christ, calling it "highly offensive."
Rep. Movita Johnson-Harrell said that she and her family were greatly offended at the prayer that had overt worship of Jesus Christ.
John-Harrell is quoted as calling the prayer, "highly offensive to me, my guests, and other members of the House."
"It blatantly represented the Islamophobia that exists among some leaders — leaders that are supposed to represent the people," Johnson-Harrell said in a statement to the Pennsylvania Capital Star. "I came to the Capitol to help build bipartisanship and collaborations regardless of race or religion to enhance the quality of life for everyone in the Commonwealth."
https://conservativefighters.org/news/muslim-pa-state-rep-calls-prayer-to-jesus-christ-in-legislature-highly-offensive-demands-apology/
Maybe she needs to pull up her drawers and leave ::)
Her stupid ass was elected to represent the people in her district, not her beliefs and faith;
Her attitude and that stupid rag on her head is offensive to me >:(
Get over it or deal with it
8)
Seeker
Quote from: The Seeker on April 02, 2019, 12:41:45 PM
Maybe she needs to pull up her drawers and leave ::)
Her stupid ass was elected to represent the people in her district, not her beliefs and faith;
Her attitude and that stupid rag on her head is offensive to me >:(
Get over it or deal with it
8)
Seeker
Cuuurack that whip Gimme more!
This is the one place on the web where we really have free speech and I'm loving it.
I, too, am sick to death with these whining Mussies. Change the "M" to a "P".
Apologies. I'm wasted at the moment. Legally.
Really saddened to hear Down Under is under siege. I wish NZ was faring better, but their secret's out as they're being further disarmed, at the worst time.
Their obscurity will no longer protect them. If I lived there I'd be hiding arms/ammo like mad.
Apologies for formatting errors.
Quote from: The Seeker on April 02, 2019, 12:41:45 PM
Her stupid ass was elected to represent the people in her district, not her beliefs and faith;
What about the "stupid ass" of the woman saying that prayer?
Quote from: ArMaP on April 02, 2019, 11:47:54 PM
What about the "stupid ass" of the woman saying that prayer?
Two wrongs don't make a right, so the prayer will probably lead to a reprimand; but being indignant and demanding an apology for what is often a normal part of
American life is unacceptable
Quote from: The Seeker on April 01, 2019, 08:58:48 PM
Disgusted but not surprised ::)
To borrow from Rush Limbaugh, we are immersed in a nation of mind-numbed robots and they need to WAKE UP!!!!!
Maybe trying to warn people ahead of time is the wrong approach.
It seems to me, that most people are not going to be persuaded that a problem exists, before a disaster actually happens. I can understand wanting to prevent a negative event from happening, but realistically, I don't think that that is going to happen in this case. Most people treat claims that Islam is a problem as completely false arguments, and just condemn the people making said claims as bigots.
Maybe the only approach that is actually going to work, is simply to back off, and allow the Islamic agenda to progress until it becomes so completely obvious, that the majority become aware that yes, this really is happening.
I know that the counter-argument would likely be that by that point it would be too late; but again speaking realistically, I think we already went past the point of no return a while back. I don't think the idea of holding on to a society that is completely undamaged by Islamic influence is feasible, at this point; because some damage has already been done.
From where we are now, I think things are unavoidably going to get worse before they get better; and truthfully I now look forward to the idea of society being (almost) completely dominated by Islam, because I again think that the activist Left are not going to be honest with themselves about the real nature of this religion, until Muslims become a majority in the West, and it is seen clearly and incontrovertibly, how Muslims behave when they are in a position of social dominance.
Within the context of Capitalism at least, there is a name for the position which I am advocating here;
Accelerationism. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accelerationism)
The theory is, that in the case of any type of process which must inevitably lead to its' own self-destruction, that if the terminal phase of said process is unavoidable, then the next most positive outcome is actually for said process to be accelerated and moved forward as quickly as possible; because the sooner the terminal phase arrives, then the sooner the self-destructive process in question will terminate, and therefore, the sooner we can get on with building something genuinely positive to replace it.
People are only going to practically see for themselves, what a society dominated by Islam will look like, if said Islamic dominance actually comes to pass. If, before said dominance has occurred, anyone tries to point out the undesirable effects of said dominance, the person doing so will simply be condemned as a white supremacist and a bigot, and then ignored. The argument will appear purely theoretical to those listening to it, because it has not happened yet.
It is like someone wanting to inject heroin, or snort cocaine, and you trying to inform that person that if they do, they will very likely experience heart failure as a consequence. If that person wants to take those drugs badly enough, then they are not going to listen to your warnings to that effect, and may even react with hostility to them. At that point, as difficult as it might be for you, logically all you can do is step back, and allow that person direct experience of what you have said. You can hope that they don't die as a result, but you can't really prevent it if they do.
That is how it is with Islam in Western society. We know it is a bad thing, but most do not, and they will not allow themselves to be persuaded otherwise with purely rhetorical arguments. The only solution is for them to see for themselves, and in order for that to happen, the condition must be allowed to progress. We can hope that by the time awareness comes, things are not so far gone as to be completely irreversible; but if they are, then sadly there is little we can really do about that. Detachment is necessary.
Quote from: Irene on April 02, 2019, 06:42:55 PM
Really saddened to hear Down Under is under siege. I wish NZ was faring better, but their secret's out as they're being further disarmed, at the worst time.
My country's government (Australia) and that of New Zealand, have both been in a comparitively degenerate state for quite some time at this point, Irene. Our two countries have often been compared with the Shire, or the land of the Hobbits from Tolkien's books; but unlike in the Lord of the Rings, in real life Sauron has sadly decided not to stay in Mordor, but has actually come here.
The alleged shooter of the Port Arthur massacre, which was the incident used as pretext for Australia's disarmament, was known to suffer from mental retardation. Yet he supposedly achieved a shot to kill ratio which it has been stated would be difficult for the most skilled known professional marksmen on the planet.
::) I see lots of bashing, complaining and alike. These people are doing this these ones are doing that. Really most of this is in agreement at least some
what, that there is a problem and it must be addressed in a solution oriented manner.
Does anybody have a workable solution.......anyone?!!!!! Anybody have a viable remedy that can be applied in a timely fashion. For that is what is needed if
any place on this earth is going to live long and prosper.
Hope is a little thing that holds huge potential. If we apply it within our selves, we can at the very least be a much needed calming base in this time of great
upheaval. We are all of the same stuff, you are of me as I am of you. If we can all remember this and use it to communicate with each other with calm and
patience (as you would like to be spoken to your self) then it would be a relatively easy thing to remedy most all the problems in this world.
It is indeed a very sad and upsetting observation, seeing all this wonder being wasted over petty greed and jealousy. When the differences we actually have
are so very slight. We argue over such things as the name we choose to call our deity. Or land and water neither of which really belong to any one person or
individual country. It is sad that we as humanity can NOT see that with the number of our population as it is we must decide to behave in a mutually beneficial
manner or we WILL all fail.
Unless you are one of those who have a ride off world when it gets bad. (The reason for the secret space program.) But that's another subject....lol
Oh well just a little input! Hope no one is offended. ;D
QuoteDoes anybody have a workable solution.......anyone?!!!!!
Some people thought that they had solutions but they were far to immoral to implement (because it involved genocide or other atrocities). Others think the abolishment of religion could be the answer.
QuoteWe are all of the same stuff, you are of me as I am of you.
NO. Some people are neither male or female, some are unicorns :P . Genetically we are the same but aside from that we couldn't be more different. If we can't be on the same page on the inside what does it matter what the outside looks like? Forrest Gump was right life is like a box of chocolates. You can see they all look very similar but when you bite into it they are not the same.
Quote from: The Seeker on April 03, 2019, 03:04:55 AM
Two wrongs don't make a right, so the prayer will probably lead to a reprimand; but being indignant and demanding an apology for what is often a normal part of American life is unacceptable
Saying a prayer thanking god for some politicians "standing beside Israel" is a normal part of American life?
Quote from: Ellirium113 on April 03, 2019, 10:14:03 PM
NO. Some people are neither male or female, some are unicorns :P . Genetically we are the same but aside from that we couldn't be more different. If we can't be on the same page on the inside what does it matter what the outside looks like? Forrest Gump was right life is like a box of chocolates. You can see they all look very similar but when you bite into it they are not the same.
LOL "NO." Wrong. You say exactly what I said with different words, yet do so as if it disagrees. lol "Genetically we are the same but aside from that we couldn't be more different." What do you think "We are all of the same stuff, you are of me as I am of you." means. lol Its our bodies, (Hunger, shelter, water.) that place the needs upon us that leads to some conflicts and war. The reasons we fight that involve things other then physical needs are the very things choices make or break. With the right understanding we can be a sharing human race. The differences you speak of are the same I pointed out like this "We argue over such things as the name we choose to call our deity." and there are others of the similar type.
The difference you are stuck on is a matter of choices and being on the same page is something that is a matter of choice. The choices we make are one thing mentally healthy people can aim towards being right. Being right equaling being on the side deciding to do what is best and beneficial for most, if not all. While avoiding the pitfalls of greed, envy and animosity. It apparently comes down to whether a person has a righteous mind set or not. Lets remember righteous simply means (of a person or conduct) morally right or justifiable; virtuous.
A matter of choice can put anyone whom chooses it on the same page. Treat others as you want to be treated, I imagine you can understand that is a good thing. Unless you have a mental illness you shouldn't be wishing ill upon yourself. Aside from a person with that type of condition, we would all be able to take steps that are badly needed and be going the right way for a change. lol
It really just boils down to choosing to be one for all, or one for yourself. We are able to correct this self destruction. It can be done if we just choose it.
The real challenge seems to be finding a way to help those who can't get passed their internal mental walls of self centered and belligerent behavior. I really hope we as a race do this before it is to late.
Lets face it, we love our children but we don't love everything they do, so we teach them. Think about it.
Have a great day! ;D
Quote from: ArMaP on April 04, 2019, 12:15:28 AM
Saying a prayer thanking god for some politicians "standing beside Israel" is a normal part of American life?
Armap, for some of the citizens here, yes, it is, for to them it is the holy land, just as it is for Islam;
the original immigrants to America were leaving Europe to escape religious persecution, and religious freedom, the right to worship however and whoever you so chose, is ingrained into the very roots of this nation; being offended and showing your ass because a free citizen said a prayer according to their beliefs is unacceptable;
the intelligent move would have been to counterpoise by offering a prayer to her deity asking for guidance and protection for all instead of acting stupid
we are dealing with a religion here that instructs its followers that if they can't convert us, is to kill us; look at the reports from all over Europe of the raping of western women by muslims because they feel it is their right to do so to any female that is not escorted by a male family member, the brutality of Sharia law, and what should be termed inherent barbarism that follows Islamic control; just look back at ISIS and their deeds
Our political system has issues and problems right now; we don't need proponents of Islam worming and bullying their way in to inject more chaos and disruption
she doesn't want to be offended, then she needs to go to a muslim nation where she can enjoy the benefits of sharia law and be stoned to death for far less than what she did here
8)
Quote from: ArMaP on April 04, 2019, 12:15:28 AM
Saying a prayer thanking god for some politicians "standing beside Israel" is a normal part of American life?
No it isn't :P We are SUPPOSED to have separation of Church and State
The biggest problem we face is thinking that America is one big melting pot where all nations come to adopt our way of life...
That USED to be true 20-30 years ago... when immigrants (LEGAL ONES) genuinely came to make a new life. Most like my parents came with little more than a suitcase and a hope.
But today, there is no melting pot... each group sets up their own communities... They want to keep things the way they were back home, have no intention of assimilating into our culture, but want the free benefits we offer citizens
In the end you get the NO GO zones like we are seeing in Europe and now Australia
Quote from: petrus4 on April 03, 2019, 10:57:08 AM
Maybe trying to warn people ahead of time is the wrong approach.
It seems to me, that most people are not going to be persuaded that a problem exists, before a disaster actually happens. I can understand wanting to prevent a negative event from happening, but realistically, I don't think that that is going to happen in this case. Most people treat claims that Islam is a problem as completely false arguments, and just condemn the people making said claims as bigots
You may be right and I have had such response from Liberals.... but I am not ready yet to be over run by the Barbarian Horde that destroys all civilizations :P
QuoteMaybe the only approach that is actually going to work, is simply to back off, and allow the Islamic agenda to progress until it becomes so completely obvious, that the majority become aware that yes, this really is happening.
Well we DO have one fortunate situation... both Europe and Australia are far adhead of us in the area of Islamic invasion... so we can watch it happen to them and HOPEFULLY enough wake up here in America to stop it before it is too late...
In the meantime we already have one US city that is now dominant in Islam and the towers calling them to prayer run 5 times a day.
And we still have our guns... IF the Demonrats actually ever got to that point of confiscating them there would be a brutal civil war. Every time Obama mentioned "gun control, the gun makers recorded RECORD gun sales and permits issue. Ammunition is stocked up. What do you think will happen if the Demonrats try to kill the constitution?
QuoteI know that the counter-argument would likely be that by that point it would be too late; but again speaking realistically, I think we already went past the point of no return a while back.
I agree and the signs are every where A quiet little school in New Jersey has some "peaceful' Muslims screaming at the school board that "We will be in the majority soon" when the school board refused to add Muslim holidays to the school calendar
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2tX7HaiMOA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHQWezK1ccY
Bill Bolser
5 months ago
They're not happy in Gaza ..
They're not happy in Egypt ..
They're not happy in Libya ..
They're not happy in Morocco ..
They're not happy in Iran ..
They're not happy in Iraq ..
They're not happy in Yemen ..
They're not happy in Afghanistan ..
They're not happy in Pakistan ..
They're not happy in Syria ..
They're not happy in Lebanon ..
They're not happy in Malaysia..
They're not happy in Indonesia..
SO, WHERE ARE THEY HAPPY?
They're happy in Australia .
They're happy in Canada .
They're happy in England ..
They're happy in France ..
They're happy in Italy ..
They're happy in Germany ..
They're happy in Sweden ..
They're happy in the USA ..
They're happy in Norway ..
They're happy in Holland .
They're happy in Denmark .
Basically, they're happy in every country that is not Muslim and unhappy in
every country that is!
AND WHO DO THEY BLAME?
Not Islam.
Not their leadership.
Not themselves.
THEY BLAME THE COUNTRIES THEY ARE HAPPY IN!
AND THEN; They want to change those countries to be like.
THE COUNTRY THEY CAME FROM WHERE THEY WERE UNHAPPY
Quote from: The Seeker on April 04, 2019, 03:08:34 AM
Armap, for some of the citizens here, yes, it is, for to them it is the holy land, just as it is for Islam;
No, Jerusalem is considered a holy place, Israel, as it is today, is not.
Quotethe original immigrants to America were leaving Europe to escape religious persecution, and religious freedom, the right to worship however and whoever you so chose, is ingrained into the very roots of this nation; being offended and showing your ass because a free citizen said a prayer according to their beliefs is unacceptable;
What about the right to feel offended?
Quotethe intelligent move would have been to counterpoise by offering a prayer to her deity asking for guidance and protection for all instead of acting stupid
It's the same deity, and, as someone said before, two wrongs do not make a right. ;)
Quotewe are dealing with a religion here that instructs its followers that if they can't convert us, is to kill us; look at the reports from all over Europe of the raping of western women by muslims because they feel it is their right to do so to any female that is not escorted by a male family member,
I haven't see any credible report.
Quotethe brutality of Sharia law, and what should be termed inherent barbarism that follows Islamic control; just look back at ISIS and their deeds
Many of ISIS' actions were against what Islam says.
QuoteOur political system has issues and problems right now; we don't need proponents of Islam worming and bullying their way in to inject more chaos and disruption
"Bullying"? How?
Quoteshe doesn't want to be offended, then she needs to go to a muslim nation where she can enjoy the benefits of sharia law and be stoned to death for far less than what she did here
"Far less than what she did here"? What she did that would be considered a crime under sharia law?
Quote from: zorgon on April 04, 2019, 05:18:06 AM
But today, there is no melting pot... each group sets up their own communities...
And why does that happen?
Quote from: ArMaP on April 05, 2019, 01:11:45 AM
And why does that happen?
Because they're assholes who are here for the government benefits.
https://www.google.com/url?q=https://dmlnews.com/report-ilhan-omar-urges-release-jailed-muslim-brotherhood-leader-report-says/&sa=D&source=hangouts&ust=1554514452684000&usg=AFQjCNGrUftZ6BfqZlfkwUZiGS4QexpssA (https://www.google.com/url?q=https://dmlnews.com/report-ilhan-omar-urges-release-jailed-muslim-brotherhood-leader-report-says/&sa=D&source=hangouts&ust=1554514452684000&usg=AFQjCNGrUftZ6BfqZlfkwUZiGS4QexpssA)
(https://dmlnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/ftimg_report-rep-ilhan-omar-comment-was-vile-anti-semitic-slur-top-foreign-affairs-dem-says_2019-03-02T1154360000-800x350.jpg)
Quote
REPORT: Ilhan Omar Urges Release Of Jailed Muslim Brotherhood Leader, Report Says
As the most reliable and balanced news aggregation service on the internet, DML News offers the following information published by The Daily Wire:
Rep. Ilhan Omar (D-MN) advocated on Tuesday for releasing a senior member of the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood (MB) — which is designated by several nations as a terrorist organization.
"I recently met with @jkbadawy and @thefreedomi to talk about Hoda Abdelmonem, a political prisoner in Egypt," Omar tweeted from her official Congressional Twitter account. "I hope that Trump brings up her case in his meeting with the regime that has imprisoned her. We must work to #FreeHoda."
The article goes on to state the following:
REPORT: Ilhan Omar Urges Release Of Jailed Muslim Brotherhood Leader, Report Says
Rep. Ilhan Omar (D-MN) advocated on Tuesday for releasing a senior member of the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood (MB) — which is designated by several nations as a terrorist organization.
"I recently met with @jkbadawy and @thefreedomi to talk about Hoda Abdelmonem, a political prisoner in Egypt," Omar tweeted from her official Congressional Twitter account. "I hope that Trump brings up her case in his meeting with the regime that has imprisoned her. We must work to #FreeHoda."
The article goes on to state the following:
Conservative Review's Jordan Schachtel reported that Hoda Abdelmonem is "a senior member in the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood's women's affiliate," adding that she "remains an influential figure and a senior leader in the Islamist outfit, and the campaign for her release has been a top priority item for Muslim Brotherhood-aligned individuals, groups, and governments."
I recently met with @jkbadawy and @thefreedomi to talk about Hoda Abdelmonem, a political prisoner in Egypt. I hope that Trump brings up her case in his meeting with the regime that has imprisoned her. We must work to #FreeHoda.
More at the link
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Quote from: ArMaP on April 05, 2019, 01:10:44 AM
No, Jerusalem is considered a holy place, Israel, as it is today, is not.
True and Orthodix Jews say Israel should not exist
QuoteWhat about the right to feel offended?
That is Snowflake thinking :P be offended by anything and everything. Americans (and people in general) used to have thicker skins. Didn't easily get offended over every stupid little thing
Quote from: zorgon on April 05, 2019, 05:45:36 AM
That is Snowflake thinking :P be offended by anything and everything. Americans (and people in general) used to have thicker skins. Didn't easily get offended over every stupid little thing
:( BINGO, I agreed entirely, and would add that the pushing of this POLITICALLY CORRECT idea has added to this problem. Offering many opportunities to claim discrimination or racism and along with this is the fact that being politically correct actually means being deliberately wrong! As it makes one disincline to say many things accurately even when its the truth!
Sad state of affairs it is being pushed, even frightened into saying something in a way you know is not the truth in order to avoid any repercussions. A foul and nasty maneuver it is. This Snowflake thinking as you said, is apparently responsible for the increase in people suing each other, often over statements that arise from being politically incorrect. Even though said statement was true. These thin skins lead to augments and often violence in this day and age too. :(
Man, its enough to makes you *&&% ^$$&* &^@% %@$&^! and then some.....lol ;D
Quote from: WhatTheHey on April 06, 2019, 01:46:59 AM
Sad state of affairs it is being pushed, even frightened into saying something in a way you know is not the truth in order to avoid any repercussions. A foul and nasty maneuver it is. This Snowflake thinking as you said, is apparently responsible for the increase in people suing each other, often over statements that arise from being politically incorrect. Even though said statement was true. These thin skins lead to augments and often violence in this day and age too. :(
It gets WORSE and the Snowflakes are listening to Demonrat professors and not bothering to even READ or fact check... like this one...
THIS should scare the hell out of you, because these people will be the next voters, and not one of them had any clue about reality... they blindly follow what they have been fed
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_K0tZGkgb4w
Quote from: WhatTheHey on April 06, 2019, 01:46:59 AM
:( BINGO, I agreed entirely, and would add that the pushing of this POLITICALLY CORRECT idea has added to this problem.
I think it happened in the opposite order, first came the so called "politically correct" way, then what some people call "snowflake thinking".
To me, it looks like the politically correct way of saying things started innocuously because of the way English words are, as things like "spokesman" and "chairman" imply a specific sex for the person occupying those positions and it didn't sound right when they were occupied by women, something that didn't happen before.
From then (and as usual, specially in the US) things escalated, as people wanted more and more of that and fell into the opposite situation, when almost any thing we say has to go through a kind of self-censure.
QuoteThis Snowflake thinking as you said, is apparently responsible for the increase in people suing each other, often over statements that arise from being politically incorrect. Even though said statement was true. These thin skins lead to augments and often violence in this day and age too. :(
Once more, I think things started in the opposite order, as the "lawsuit mentality" in the US has been creating opportunities for something like that to appear, a mentality that thinks more of "how can I get something from this" than "is it really wrong?"
Also, this so called "snowflake thinking" is a result of political differences, as it started to appear (as far as I can see) applied by one side of the political divide in the US to the other side, using that kindergarten way of doing things the US politics likes so much and that makes the US look ridiculous to outside viewers.
Quote from: zorgon on April 06, 2019, 06:32:41 AM
THIS should scare the hell out of you, because these people will be the next voters, and not one of them had any clue about reality... they blindly follow what they have been fed
That has been happening for many years, but people just didn't worry about it, as there wasn't such a divide between the two main political sides of the US politics, and has been happening with influences from both sides, with different sides being more or less influential in different places.
Once more, for someone that has been watching this happening from the outside for the last 40 years, this is nothing new, the only new thing is the level of extremism now.
Quote from: ArMaP on April 06, 2019, 12:18:59 PM
I think it happened in the opposite order, first came the so called "politically correct" way, then what some people call "snowflake thinking".
To me, it looks like the politically correct way of saying things started innocuously because of the way English words are, as things like "spokesman" and "chairman" imply a specific sex for the person occupying those positions and it didn't sound right when they were occupied by women, something that didn't happen before.
Well it may have but if you will reread what you quoted you will see I stated this ":( BINGO, I agreed entirely, and would add that the pushing of this POLITICALLY CORRECT idea has added to this problem." As you can see I say simply that it has added to the problem, not what came first.
Quote from: ArMaP on April 06, 2019, 12:18:59 PM
Once more, I think things started in the opposite order, as the "lawsuit mentality" in the US has been creating opportunities for something like that to appear, a mentality that thinks more of "how can I get something from this" than "is it really wrong?"
I said this "This Snowflake thinking as you said, is apparently responsible for the increase in people suing each other, often over statements that arise from being politically incorrect. Even though said statement was true. These thin skins lead to augments and often violence in this day and age too. :(" As you can see, I say that it apparently increased the number, not what came first. This politically correct/incorrect thing has been the stimulus of a great many conflicts. Even before the label POLITICALLY CORRECT/INCORRECT was created.
I was not really concerned with what happen first, just looking at things that increased or were added too.
Have a great day! ;D
Quote from: ArMaP on April 06, 2019, 12:18:59 PM
I think it happened in the opposite order, first came the so called "politically correct" way, then what some people call "snowflake thinking".
True PC came first "In the 1970s, the American New Left began using the term "politically correct"."
Snowflake is a 2010s derogatory slang term for a person, implying that they have an inflated sense of uniqueness, an unwarranted sense of entitlement, or are over-emotional, easily offended, and unable to deal with opposing opinions. Common usages include the terms special snowflake, Generation Snowflake, and snowflake as a politicized insult"
According to Merriam-Webster, in the 2000s, snowflake referred "mostly to millennials who were allegedly too convinced of their own status as special and unique people to be able (or bothered) to handle the normal trials and travails of regular adult life".
A 2017 article from Think Progress commented: "The insult expanded to encompass not just the young, but liberals of all ages; it became the epithet of choice for right-wingers to fling at anyone who could be accused of being too easily offended, too in need of "safe spaces, too fragile"
Actor George Takei extended the metaphor to emphasize the power of snowflakes, saying: "The thing about 'snowflakes' is this: They are beautiful and unique, but in large numbers become an unstoppable avalanche that will bury you."
This last one is the scary one... the sheer numbers of then could bring about socialism and then THEY will be the first ones whining about how bad it is :P
QuoteTo me, it looks like the politically correct way of saying things started innocuously because of the way English words are, as things like "spokesman" and "chairman" imply a specific sex for the person occupying those positions and it didn't sound right when they were occupied by women, something that didn't happen before.
Yes Mailman becomes male person etc. But they never addressed the "man" in woman :P
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QuoteAlso, this so called "snowflake thinking" is a result of political differences, as it started to appear (as far as I can see) applied by one side of the political divide in the US to the other side, using that kindergarten way of doing things the US politics likes so much and that makes the US look ridiculous to outside viewers.
The tern Snowflake started from this..
"Chuck Palahniuk's 1990s Fight Club novel and the movie adaptation have often been credited as the originator of using this feathery ice crystal in a metaphorical way.
The novel contains this grim reminder: "You are not a beautiful and unique snowflake. You are the same decaying organic matter as everyone and we are all part of the same compost pile."
So a second ago, I was attempting to find a video on converting two different material types in Minecraft. However, when starting to type in the word "convert," it turned out that the highest listed search term completion was "convert to Islam," ahead of "convert word to pdf" or "convert binary to decimal."
How exactly are we supposed to believe that the idea of Muslims wanting to conquer the planet, is just baseless, racist paranoia, again?
Quote from: petrus4 on April 09, 2019, 04:32:01 PM
So a second ago, I was attempting to find a video on converting two different material types in Minecraft. However, when starting to type in the word "convert," it turned out that the highest listed search term completion was "convert to Islam," ahead of "convert word to pdf" or "convert binary to decimal."
How exactly are we supposed to believe that the idea of Muslims wanting to conquer the planet, is just baseless, racist paranoia, again?
Petrus, 80% of the population fall into the category of useless, mind blank robots; of the remaining 20 %, 10-15% are aware of reality and concerned; only the top 5% are actually practitioners of critical thinking and willing to do anything...
as history shows, most will do nothing until it comes down to fight, surrender, or die
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Quote from: petrus4 on April 09, 2019, 04:32:01 PM
So a second ago, I was attempting to find a video on converting two different material types in Minecraft. However, when starting to type in the word "convert," it turned out that the highest listed search term completion was "convert to Islam," ahead of "convert word to pdf" or "convert binary to decimal."
When I do that I get many suggestions, none to "convert to Islam".
I suppose that shows how you were "classified" by the software that shows the suggestions. :)
QuoteHow exactly are we supposed to believe that the idea of Muslims wanting to conquer the planet, is just baseless, racist paranoia, again?
I wouldn't take the suggestions from a search engine as real evidence of any thing.
Quote from: The Seeker on April 09, 2019, 05:26:59 PM
as history shows, most will do nothing until it comes down to fight, surrender, or die
The American Revolution was fought by 20% of the people
Meanwhile in Canada...
many have been warning people that the moment the Muslim immigrants get enough numbers, they WILL start making demands. They are NOT interested in assimilating into our culture... But if you say that you are labeled as 'racist' or 'Islamophobic'. Well you can't be Islamophobic if the reality is staring you in the face...
This is in Toronto, my old home town...
Muslims Demand Right to Preach in Public Schools: Canada(http://theclarionproj.wpengine.com/wp-content/uploads/Canada-School-Board-Valley-Park-Prayer-IP.gif)
QuoteStudent Islamists are mounting a coordinated campaign to expand Muslim religious services in the high schools of Canada's sixth largest city.
So far, authorities are proving sympathetic, suspending a new policy meant to regulate student sermons.
"The school board should not be policing religion," campaign leader Shahmir Durrani told one of two November board meetings in Mississauga, Ontario, that heard from imams, parents, high school students and university leaders of the Muslim Students Association (MSA), an organization founded for universities students by members of the Muslim Brotherhood in 1963.
"Many students are feeling stigmatized because of this."
Talk of prayers and sermons might come as a surprise to those unaware of how widespread Muslim religious activity has become in some Canadian school jurisdictions, and how far the fundamentalist MSA has penetrated the public education system.
The changes started a decade ago, when the Ontario provincial government encouraged accommodation of an individual's religious practice at workplaces and schools.
At first, Muslim students were denied Friday congregational prayers and were told they could only pray only as individuals.
Five years ago, however, the Toronto Sun reported that 800 students at Toronto's Valley Park Middle School were converting the school's cafeteria into a temporary mosque every Friday during class hours, with boys praying in front, girls praying behind them separated by a barrier and menstruating girls obliged to sit at the very back to observe the service but not participate.
Toronto school trustees upheld the practice, and since then, Friday congregational prayers have been spreading though the public school system ever since.
One of Canada's highest Muslim concentrations is in Mississauga, Ontario, Canada's sixth city located at Toronto's western border. Of the city's 19 high schools, 17 have a Muslim Students Association (MSA).
The list of 17 includes Meadowvale Secondary, which temporarily banned its MSA 10 years ago after two alumni were caught co-leading a terrorist cell known as the Toronto 18, with plans to blow up buildings in downtown Toronto. A third cell member had led the school's Friday prayers.
The MSAs promote Friday prayers in schools, but how many Mississauga elementary, middle, and high schools are holding services is not publicly known. "We don't track school-by-school," Peel District School Board spokesperson Brian Woodland said.
At some point — Woodland would not give details — staff supervisors reported problems with student sermons.
On Sept. 20, the school board ruled that students could not deliver their own sermons, but must choose from a bank of approved sermons written by a committee of six local imams. Themes were restricted to the board's stated values of caring, cooperation, honesty, inclusiveness, respect and responsibility.
The students pushed back. In a well organized campaign, three levels of activists publicly petitioned school trustees to scrap mandatory use of approved sermons. They also demanded that students be allowed to pray together every day, not just on Fridays.
"Eliminate the prohibition of allowing students to pray together outside of Jummah [Friday] prayers if it is convenient [to the students]," said campaign leader Durrani, a University of Toronto at Mississauga student and activist for the Canadian Muslim Youth Federation.
"Policing this one group [Muslims] based on prejudice and control... could have serious psychological impacts," said Maleeha Baig, a student at the same university and coordinator for the High School Muslim Student Associations, a subsidiary of the youth federation.
"This policy... sets out to prohibit the discussion of Islamic beliefs in sermons," said Hamza Aziz, MSA president at John Fraser Secondary School and part of the third organizational rung. Aziz was one of 16 MSA executive members from five Mississauga high schools who addressed the school board at a recent meeting.
Bilal Sheikh, a self-described "active member of the Muslim community" — and who with several other men refused to stand for the national anthem — accused the board of "systemizing Islamophobia."
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And this is soon coming to the USA
Muslim Parent Warns School Board 'We're Going to Be the Majority Soon' as Meeting Gets Heated and Security Is Needed(https://assets.rbl.ms/18867478/980x.png)
https://www.theblaze.com/news/2015/09/22/were-going-to-be-the-majority-soon-security-gets-involved-as-school-board-meeting-gets-heated-over-muslim-holiday
And these are the 'peaceful' ones
Mark my words... our way of life is threatened... and soon it will be too late... because the only solution is unthinkable and abhorrent to our culture
Zorgon, history demonstrates only the strong survive; a society that cannot bring itself to defend and fight for its very existence is doomed to be swallowed by the sands of time
The leftist dumbass liberals are writing their own epitaph, too stupid to see that all this monstrous change they are pushing for is destroying their world, too blind to see that they are opening the gates of their own hell
either attempt to deal with it now, or give up and watch America die...
Quote from: The Seeker on April 10, 2019, 03:02:13 AM
either attempt to deal with it now, or give up and watch America die...
Hmmm... tough one... I think I go get popcorn and watch "The Decline and Fall of the Second Roman Empire, America"
PS I claim movie rights
:P
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Too old to fight now, beside no one is listening and they call me an Islamophobic :P
Quote from: zorgon on April 10, 2019, 07:49:37 PM
Hmmm... tough one... I think I go get popcorn and watch "The Decline and Fall of the Second Roman Empire, America"
LOL Well here is just a recap and/or preview of what seems is happening in America as we type. lol A kind-of movie preview for ya'll in the form of a poem.
Don't be a Sara Cynthia Sylvia Stout. ::) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvNhhEtUGJY
Quote from: zorgon on April 10, 2019, 02:44:27 AM
And these are the 'peaceful' ones
No, the peaceful ones are the millions that do not appear on the media.
Quote from: WhatTheHey on April 10, 2019, 07:59:40 PM
Don't be a Sara Cynthia Sylvia Stout. ::)
Sarah's parents should have taken things in their own hands. :)
Quote from: ArMaP on April 10, 2019, 10:19:56 PM
No, the peaceful ones are the millions that do not appear on the media.
Ah yes, quite right... the ones that sit silently by waiting for the mouth ones to do the work.. They are so peaceful, but won't lift a finger to stop their own radicals. (and likely cheer the on :P )
But the 'peaceful majority' are useless sheep :P
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ry3NzkAOo3s)
Quote from: zorgon on April 11, 2019, 12:27:19 AM
Ah yes, quite right... the ones that sit silently by waiting for the mouth ones to do the work.. They are so peaceful, but won't lift a finger to stop their own radicals. (and likely cheer the on :P )
But the 'peaceful majority' are useless sheep :P
So, to you, even the peaceful are bad.
Typical. ::)
I guess I'm a leftist liberal dumbass, but I get along just fine with my Muslim coworkers. Even the ones who take time out the shift to pray. None of the residents have died because they're scared for by Muslims and a leftist liberal dumbass pagan. We must be doing something right.
Quote from: ArMaP on April 11, 2019, 12:43:46 AM
So, to you, even the peaceful are bad.
Well that is a yes and no situation. I have associated with many Muslims from Egypt Turkey and Morocco (even had a Moroccan fellow rent a room with us for a year... All of them on an PERSONAL individual basis were very nice people... we never talked religion. Only one Moroccan girl (She is actually a true blood Berber but they had to convert to Islam or die)that stayed with us from Paris (from the French Moroccan district) ever discussed religion but then she was a lesbian and was concerned for her safety :P
Her name is Samira and here she is with our Elf Endrina
(http://landoflegendslv.com/03ports/mystsofavalon/00images/Events/Feast2003/F102.jpg)
In the SCA we are in the Kingdom of Caid, and as such since that Kingdom portrays the Middle East we all have an Arabic secondary persona :P
And gotta have Bellydancers :P
However, when it comes to the current political situation, the vast majority are sitting in the sidelines waiting for the radicals to take over. We have already seem several Mosques raided that were storing weapons in vast quantities.
make no mistake about it... they will slowly take over from within... and there is no way to stop it other than using methods that the free world abhors.
This is already the scene in London and most cities in Western Europe... and soon will be all across the US
Our two cultures are really NOT compatable and once they have the strength of numbers you will see a slow but steady take over, like prayer towers calling the faithful to pray like they already have in that town in Michigan
(https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/JViNN9JO-QwjJ_bvOxuncq_jgJw=/0x37:3000x2287/1200x800/filters:focal(0x37:3000x2287)/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/52977787/Muslim_prayer_white_house.0.0.jpg)
Quote from: Shasta56 on April 11, 2019, 03:14:36 AM
I guess I'm a leftist liberal dumbass, but I get along just fine with my Muslim coworkers. Even the ones who take time out the shift to pray. None of the residents have died because they're scared for by Muslims and a leftist liberal dumbass pagan. We must be doing something right.
LOL well just for the record here is a History of Islam in America...
Quite interesting, even if the first ones were mostly slaves...
A brief history of Islam in America
Islam's roots in America go back to the Founding Fathers.(https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/8_nX_UKEYrdf1432BOkjM1Cf_Yk=/0x0:947x756/920x0/filters:focal(0x0:947x756):format(webp):no_upscale()/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/4730791/Minaret%20Cairo%20Street.png)
C. D. Arnold (1844-1927); H. D. Higinbotham (Project Gutenberg/public domain)
The scene at the Chicago "Cairo street" mosque provides a glimpse of the Islamic experience in America in the 1890s — both among Chicago's Muslims and as a sort of exoticized curiosity for non-Muslims
https://www.vox.com/2015/12/22/10645956/islam-in-america
Yes, I was aware that many of the people enslaved were Muslim.
Hello all you peoples, The Islam religion is indeed full of references to killing "disbelievers" as they put it. Even and unto there own people should they decide to leave the Muslim faith. If you think this is wrong you should read it for your self. Basically if you try to worship or practice something other then Islam in a Islamic place or to one of them, you are attacking them and they are to kill you.
9:9 Sahih International
"They have exchanged the signs of Allah for a small price and averted [people] from His way. Indeed, it was evil that they were doing."
9:12 Sahih International
"And if they break their oaths after their treaty and defame your religion, then fight the leaders of disbelief, for indeed, there are no oaths [sacred] to them; [fight them that] they might cease."
9:14 Sahih International
"Fight them; Allah will punish them by your hands and will disgrace them and give you victory over them and satisfy the breasts of a believing people."
Well that's just three examples, there are many many more. It is a hate filled religion that speaks often of killing anyone who attacks Islam. The problem there is they interpret teaching or believing in something other then Islam as an attack on them.
9:30 Sahih International
"The Jews say, "Ezra is the son of Allah "; and the Christians say, "The Messiah is the son of Allah ." That is their statement from their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved [before them]. May Allah destroy them; how are they deluded?"
There are more to be sure, but if you don't think this is so, read it for yourself. Here is the beginning.... https://quran.com/9/1-11
Hope this helps enlighten. ;D Have a great day! ;D
Quote from: Shasta56 on April 11, 2019, 03:14:36 AM
I guess I'm a leftist liberal dumbass, but I get along just fine with my Muslim coworkers. Even the ones who take time out the shift to pray. None of the residents have died because they're scared for by Muslims and a leftist liberal dumbass pagan. We must be doing something right.
According to the Pew Research numbers that I've seen, the number of Muslims who hold opinions which could be considered dangerous, (support for honour killing, stoning for adultery, the death penalty for apostasy etc) are generally around 55-60%; although it varies a bit by country, and Egypt, Nigeria, and Pakistan seem to be the three countries which have the biggest problems relating to fanaticism.
In one respect, Christianity and Islam are polar opposites. Jesus Christ was (with one noted exception) a pacifist. This means that pacifism is orthodox Christian behaviour, and violence is a deviation from Christ's example.
Mohammed, by contrast, was a Middle Eastern equivalent of Genghis Khan, and Islamic territorial conquest began within his lifetime. Wahhabist fanatics are therefore correct when they say that non-militant Muslims are theological deviants, and that violence is an unavoidable prerequisite of following Mohammed's example, or the
Sunnah as they call it.
When looking at that photo from Michigan, however, the thought did occur to me that to a certain extent, non-Islamic Americans need to take a degree of responsibility for the religion's spread in the country.
America is currently a degenerate society, by the measure of virtually any pre-existing civilisational model that we have, whether Abrahamic or otherwise. The other, even more serious problem, is the fact that American degeneracy is evangelical and contagious; it spreads due to its' appeal to the most negative elements of human nature. Given its' murderously punitive and coercive nature, Islam's particular specialty is its' ability to infiltrate and conquer decadent societies.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPncg5CBwhc
Islam is capable of providing its' adherents with a level of direction and structure that the currently Marxist-infiltrated West does not, because the specific objective of Marxism is to destroy previously coherent, stable civilisations. It also enforces a sociological model which is supportive of human reproduction and survival.
For as long as America and Europe maintained ethically strong, and therefore vibrant societies of their own, Islam was held back. In comparison with the disciplined, but still relatively free and independent ethos of nineteenth century or frontier America, Islam was excessively restrictive and undesirable. The problem is that because individual integrity has largely disappeared, and with it the ability to maintain a stable and productive life, for those who want stability, Islam can appear very desirable in comparison with current mainstream thinking.
Truth be told, with the exception of my enjoyment of marijuana and psychedelics, if it were not also for the religion's requirement for violence, I could have been an exemplary Muslim; at least before my initial time in Nimbin in 2011. I am celibate, and at that time was actively vegetarian and was engaging in Shakta religious practice.
The problem is that I also wish to remain solitary, and I refuse to tolerate life under the supervision of anyone else. Islam is collectively focused.
Quote from: petrus4 on April 11, 2019, 07:26:47 PM
According to the Pew Research numbers that I've seen, the number of Muslims who hold opinions which could be considered dangerous, (support for honour killing, stoning for adultery, the death penalty for apostasy etc) are generally around 55-60%; although it varies a bit by country, and Egypt, Nigeria, and Pakistan seem to be the three countries which have the biggest problems relating to fanaticism
According to a study in 2015, Islam has 1.8 billion adherents, making up about 24.1% of the world population. Most Muslims are either of two denominations: Sunni (80–90%, roughly 1.5 billion people) or Shia (10–20%, roughly 170–340 million people).So 55-60% of that number
In one respect, Christianity and Islam are polar opposites. Jesus Christ was (with one noted exception) a pacifist. This means that pacifism is orthodox Christian behaviour, and violence is a deviation from Christ's example.
QuoteWhen looking at that photo from Michigan, however, the thought did occur to me that to a certain extent, non-Islamic Americans need to take a degree of responsibility for the religion's spread in the country.
That photo was from Chicago... the Muslim majority city is in Hamtramck, Michigan ... What I find interesting is that many wear the full burka even though there is no need to here in the US.
But you are correct, many non-Islamic Americans ARE DIRECTLY responsible... mostly the Democrats who seem to have an agenda around the world to bring in the Muslim. happening in Canada, Australia, New Zealand and the USA and in Europe as well.
I do NOT know why... because they do so at the expense of other religions and their own citizens...
By the time most people see what is happening it WILL be too late to stop it, unless we are prepared to accept full out war and genocide as an option, and i don't see that happening any time soon.
I SUSPECT the source is the Khazars... which consist of the House of Saud and the Zionist Jews. I have my reasons and documentation to back up that suspicion, but not going to post that in this thread
But to what end? And why are white Christian Democrats supporting this?
New Zealand has gone on a gun confiscation spree after that Mosque Shooting... The New Zealand prime minister dons a head scarf and gives an Islamic prayer
But will gun control stop anything? Well Canada has very strict gun laws Just try and get a hand gun legally there (You can but it is almost impossible)
One of my old hangout areas when I was in Toronto..
The Danforth shooting was a mass shooting that occurred on Danforth Avenue in the Greektown neighbourhood of Toronto, Ontario, Canada, on the night of July 22, 2018. Faisal Hussain killed two people and wounded thirteen (eight directly) using a Smith & Wesson M&P .40-caliber semi-automatic pistol. He committed suicide after a shootout with Toronto Police Service (TPS) officers
The Quebec City mosque shooting (French: Attentat de la grande mosquée de Québec) was a terrorist attack and mass shooting on the evening of January 29, 2017, at the Islamic Cultural Centre of Quebec City, a mosque in the Sainte-Foy neighbourhood of Quebec City, Canada. Six worshippers were killed and nineteen others injured when a terrorist opened fire just before 8:00 pm, shortly after the end of evening prayers. Fifty-three people were reported present at the time of the shooting.
The perpetrator, Alexandre Bissonnette, was charged with six counts of first-degree murder. Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and Premier Philippe Couillard called the shooting a terrorist attack, but Bissonnette was not charged under the terrorism provision of the Criminal Code. On February 8, 2019, Bissonnette was sentenced to life in prison, with no possibility of parole for 40 years. On March 8, 2019, it was reported that Bissonnette was appealing this sentence.
QuoteI do NOT know why... because they do so at the expense of other religions and their own citizens...
I can answer that, short and sweet . . .
We are dealing with masses of PC lemmings, brainwashed by the socialist educational systems in many First World countries.
The Soviets won by eroding our freedoms from within, as they said they would way back in the 60's. They knew then, and probably well before, that they couldn't defeat us head-on.
The President should have listened to Patton.
Quote from: Irene on April 11, 2019, 10:40:57 PM
We are dealing with masses of PC lemmings, brainwashed by the socialist educational systems in many First World countries.
I fear you are correct... It would be interesting to give all those PC lemmings a week vacation in any Islamic nation and see what they say then :P
So how are you doing these days?
Quote from: zorgon on April 11, 2019, 03:23:48 AM
Our two cultures are really NOT compatable and once they have the strength of numbers you will see a slow but steady take over, like prayer towers calling the faithful to pray like they already have in that town in Michigan
Having a temple where they can practice their religion is "taking over"?
What's the difference between a church and its bells and a mosque and its minaret?
Quote from: WhatTheHey on April 11, 2019, 06:00:54 PM
If you think this is wrong you should read it for your self.
Already did, I read the Quran some years ago. :)
QuoteBasically if you try to worship or practice something other then Islam in a Islamic place or to one of them, you are attacking them and they are to kill you.
No, all the Abrahamic religions are accepted by Islam, as they have a common basis.
Quote from: ArMaP on April 12, 2019, 02:16:01 AM
No, all the Abrahamic religions are accepted by Islam, as they have a common basis.
As you put it they have a common base.....lol And only if they don't do anything to turn some one away from Allah. You need to read it again closer. They have it written that they should do harm and even kill their own family members if they believe something other then Islam. So No. Is wrong. Your not even addressing the statements made.
Here is a link to the first page of the Quran and the rest of it too. https://quran.com/1
Sharia law in Toronto Canada..
Mother convicted of killing daughters in 'honour killing' ordered deported — after life sentence served
https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2018/03/15/mother-convicted-of-killing-tbhree-daughters-in-honour-killing-ordered-deported-after-life-sentence-served.html
Canadian Islam convert strangled in honour killing: Cops
https://torontosun.com/news/world/canadian-islam-convert-strangled-in-honour-killing-cops
Honour killings in Canada: even worse than we believe
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/second-reading/honour-killings-in-canada-even-worse-than-we-believe/article1314263/
Man convicted in Jassi Sidhu's 'honour killing' obtained permanent residency in Canada
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/jassi-sidhu-darshan-singh-immigration-1.4584594
Shafia parents and son, convicted in honour killing of four family members, seek new trial
Mohammad Shafia, 62, his wife Tooba, 45, and son Hamed, 24, claim
https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/shafia-parents-and-son-convicted-in-honour-killing-of-four-family-members-seek-new-trial
Man convicted of killing daughter in clash over hijab dies in Ontario prison
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/muhammad-parvez-killer-daughter-hijab-clash-1.4002891
Preliminary Examination of so-called "Honour Killings" in Canada
https://www.justice.gc.ca/eng/rp-pr/cj-jp/fv-vf/hk-ch/p2.html
Meanwhile ArMap plays Ostrich :P
Quote from: zorgon on April 12, 2019, 02:45:08 AM
Meanwhile ArMap plays Ostrich :P
Your just a bit colder then I Zog! LOL
Quote from: WhatTheHey on April 12, 2019, 02:28:55 AM
Your not even addressing the statements made.
I did.
QuoteHere is a link to the first page of the Quran and the rest of it too. https://quran.com/1
I don't need it, I have a semi-official (the only official version is in Arabic) commented copy in Portuguese.
Quote from: zorgon on April 12, 2019, 02:45:08 AM
Sharia law in Toronto Canada..
Can you show me where honour killings are part of the Sharia Law?
QuoteMeanwhile ArMap plays Ostrich :P
No, ArMaP sees things from a different point of view, in a different country, with a different culture, but apparently that's something hard to understand for some people.
Quote from: ArMaP on April 12, 2019, 01:47:17 PM
Can you show me where honour killings are part of the Sharia Law?
Probably not LOL but they ARE part of Islam
QuoteNo, ArMaP sees things from a different point of view, in a different country, with a different culture, but apparently that's something hard to understand for some people.
No we DO get that :P Really we do... It just seems sometimes you avoid some of the obvious signs of impending chaos in the rest of the world....
Quote from: zorgon on April 12, 2019, 08:35:19 PM
Probably not LOL but they ARE part of Islam
They are part of several cultures and several countries. Although practised in several Muslim countries, they are not a Muslim practise, they even go against Muslim law, as Sharia law states that any punishment must be decided by a court and not by an individual.
QuoteNo we DO get that :P Really we do... It just seems sometimes you avoid some of the obvious signs of impending chaos in the rest of the world....
I'm not avoiding what you call "signs of impending chaos", I just don't see them as such.
Quote from: ArMaP on April 13, 2019, 01:42:18 AM
I'm not avoiding what you call "signs of impending chaos", I just don't see them as such.
You do not see this as chaos?
Muslim immigrants rampage in London(http://www.floppingaces.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/muslims-riot.jpg)
http://www.greenteethmm.com/immigrant-sharia-terror.shtml
LONG list of related examples on that page
Britain's report on Muslim Brotherhood contradicts U.S. views on group(http://i.pinimg.com/736x/b2/7d/e6/b27de65004d370b75fe7d07cdf1447bb.jpg)
QuoteThe Muslim Brotherhood has powerful supporters in places you might not expect to find terrorist sympathisers (Image source)
As the ceasefire in Syria between the forces loyal to the Assad regime and their Russian and Iranian allies and the free Syrian Army, backed by Turkey, Saudi Arabia and the USA holds rather shakily, leaving the pro - Assad alliance free to concentrate on clobbering ISIS, it appears that not only have the terrorist group shifted their focus to Libya and it's oilfields, a country where, thanks to a misguided western intervention, there is no coherent government to protect the national assets, and to causing more mayhem on the streets of European and north American cities.
A spate of warning on the imminent threat of more and increasingly bloody attacks on Britain and Europe by Muslim terror group Islamic State have been issued by British government security agencies in the past few days. As well as one from the Police covert anti terror unit, reported here, another, Muslim Brotherhood Review (.pdf from official UK government website) has been featured in the Washington Times (reproduced below under 'fair use' terms for purposes of public information). In stark contrast to the benign view of The Muslim Brotherhood offered by The White House, where the incumbent is known to have strong sympathies with Islamic terrorists and is rumoured to be personally involved with The Muslim Brotherhood, the UK report spells out in very clear terms that the organisation is involved in promoting violence and terror.
Were the conflict between Islam and civilisation confined to Syria or even to the middle east, despite the confusing nature of the multi faceted war, western nations might have a chance of containing it, but if ISIS do intend to attack westerners in their homelands we are looking at a quagmire that can never be drained of slime.
From The Washington Times
The British government has issued a blistering report on the secretive Muslim Brotherhood, with findings that contradict some favorable U.S. views — including the Obama administration's — of the Islamic fundamentalist fraternity.
The investigative paper says the Brotherhood promotes (and sometimes takes a role in) violence; seeks world domination of Shariah, or Islamic, law; and views other religions as illegitimate. Its senior leaders "routinely use virulent anti-Semitic language" and have justified the killings of American and other coalition forces in Iraq and Afghanistan.
To this day, Brotherhood leaders say the U.S. government fabricated the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks and that the war on groups such as al Qaeda "is a pretext to attack Muslims," the British report says.
The report, simply titled the "Muslim Brotherhood Review," appears to be unprecedented in these politically correct times in that a Western government is confronting a Muslim group that is an ideological organizing force but not overtly a transnational terrorist organization.
British Prime Minister David Cameron said the investigation was conducted to determine whether the Brotherhood is contributing to violence in his country and elsewhere by creating an environment for extremists to act.
"The movement is deliberately opaque and habitually secretive," Mr. Cameron said.
He said the Brotherhood "promotes values which appear intolerant of equality and freedom of faith and belief."
Mr. Cameron said the report's major findings will help his government set policy, such as whether to ban the group altogether in Britain or greatly reduce visas to members wanting to enter the country.
Like France and Belgium, Britain is home to disruptive groups of Muslims. The government recently adopted a plan to combat extremism, and its options include closing mosques and deporting radical clerics.
"The Muslim Brotherhood's foundational texts call for the progressive moral purification of individuals and Muslim societies and their eventual political unification in a caliphate under Shariah law," the prime minister said. "To this day, the Muslim Brotherhood characterizes Western societies and liberal Muslims as decadent and immoral."
The Brotherhood's English-language website condemned the report Dec. 17, the day Mr. Cameron delivered the findings to Parliament.
Amr Darrag, a member of the executive board of Egypt's Brotherhood-created Freedom and Justice Party, stated: "The Prime Minister's statement that membership of, association with, or influence by the Muslim Brotherhood should be considered a possible indicator of extremism unfairly condemns millions of Muslims and non-Muslims across the world, many of whom are British citizens. This is to fundamentally misinterpret the Middle East's largest democratic organization and misunderstand what is needed to bring democratic, peaceful and stable governance to the Middle East."
The White House has defended outreach to Brotherhood-linked leaders as part of a broader effort to stem extremism and bring Muslims into mainstream America.
The White House press office did not respond to a query seeking comment.
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http://edbutt.blogspot.com/2016/03/britains-report-on-muslim-brotherhood.html
That doesn't surprise me in the least about Obama having ties to the muslim brotherhood; it is my belief that Libya and Khaddafi were deliberately targeted to facilitate the mass exodus of immigrants flowing out of Africa...
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Quote from: The Seeker on April 13, 2019, 03:25:20 AM
That doesn't surprise me in the least about Obama having ties to the muslim brotherhood; it is my belief that Libya and Khaddafi were deliberately targeted to facilitate the mass exodus of immigrants flowing out of Africa...
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And who do you think was behind it?
Quote from: zorgon on April 13, 2019, 02:49:05 AM
You do not see this as chaos?
Muslim immigrants rampage in London
(http://www.floppingaces.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/muslims-riot.jpg)
That photo is from a demonstration against Israel's actions on the Gaza strip, on January 2009.
As usual, ArMaP is the ultimate investigator. :P
Quote from: ArMaP on April 13, 2019, 01:45:21 PM
That photo is from a demonstration against Israel's actions on the Gaza strip, on January 2009.
Ouch.
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I'm pretty sure these two images were discovered to be fakes too, from memory; although I can't remember the source for it. Maybe Armap can find that.
Quote from: zorgon on April 11, 2019, 11:37:13 PM
I fear you are correct... It would be interesting to give all those PC lemmings a week vacation in any Islamic nation and see what they say then :P
So how are you doing these days?
I'd love to see the video of that!
I'm okay at the moment. Thanks for asking.
I hear you are having some struggles yourself.
Take care, Z-man.
Irene :)
Quote from: ArMaP on April 13, 2019, 01:45:21 PM
That photo is from a demonstration against Israel's actions on the Gaza strip, on January 2009.
Okay okay ya got me :P So sue me because I am sick and didn't take time to see if that photo matched the article :P
So... you realize that just means I have to SPAM you now to prove my point that you dodged :
MIGRANT CHAOSSWEDEN Rioting migrants shoot fireworks at people and cars
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pOIdlly8fg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iaNvsnVQNEo
FRANCEhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1xMpGznUuA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0m_TRjk-F8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Um-kFzRLxx4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56cetENPJtg
ITALYhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EnAbcJR3ojw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIeYxtJhPNY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfELHgWSc-A
Why Portugal wants refugees
Well if YOU want them so bad... I am sure the rest of Europe will be more than happy to send them to you :P
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfKle0Lgoj8
So how many more videos you need before you will admit that the Migrant Invasion is creating chaos and destroying Europa way of life and tourism?
:o ::)
Quote from: zorgon on April 14, 2019, 07:14:31 AM
Okay okay ya got me :P So sue me because I am sick and didn't take time to see if that photo matched the article :P
I just pointed it out because it shows how easy it is to be fooled when we just use ready-made answers instead of thinking for ourselves. ;)
QuoteSo... you realize that just means I have to SPAM you now to prove my point that you dodged :
I'm not forcing you to do any thing, you spend your time the way you want. :)
Quote from: zorgon on April 14, 2019, 07:19:42 AM
Why Portugal wants refugees
Well if YOU want them so bad... I am sure the rest of Europe will be more than happy to send them to you :P
The fact that we want them doesn't mean we can accept them all, as you know. We are a small and poor (by Western European standards) country, but we always try to help people that ask for help.
QuoteSo how many more videos you need before you will admit that the Migrant Invasion is creating chaos and destroying Europa way of life and tourism?
None, you know I (almost) don't watch videos. :P
Quote from: zorgon on April 14, 2019, 07:14:31 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Um-kFzRLxx4
One thing that always makes me suspicious is when I see signs written in a language that is not spoken on the country the images were taken, like in the still image from the above video.
If they were demonstrating against French authorities/whatever, why write signs in English?
ArMaP,
In sufficient numbers, as is happening in other countries, Muslims are emboldened. When this has happens they've effectively set up no-go zones where non-Muslims are attacked and women are raped. Muslims no longer control their violent impulses because they know they'll get away with their crap.
Do you want no-go zones in your country where your women are raped and your unique culture and traditions are destroyed?
That is what is happening. They are trying to erase every culture but their own from the face of the earth and they don't give a damn who they hurt or what they wreck.
With these people it's scorched-earth or bust.
They want the benefits of First World countries without having to do any of the work themselves.
Think.
Quote from: Irene on April 14, 2019, 05:01:36 PM
Do you want no-go zones in your country where your women are raped and your unique culture and traditions are destroyed?
What I see called "no-go zones" have existed here (and I'm sure in other countries too) for a long time, they appear when smaller groups (not necessarily migrants) are not integrated into the community, usually because the community doesn't really want them as part of itself, as those groups are not only made from people from specific ethnicities/cultures but mostly they are poor people, living in conditions the surrounding community doesn't consider proper.
I've seen that with groups of gipsies, migrants from Cape Verde and Angola (some were accused of cannibalism), etc., even with a group of people that were moved from their original location so what is now the "25 de Abril" bridge over the Tagus river was built. When the community starts to accept them those "no-go zones" disappear and the cultures do mix.
Quote from: ArMaP on April 14, 2019, 11:36:16 AM
I just pointed it out because it shows how easy it is to be fooled when we just use ready-made answers instead of thinking for ourselves. ;)
Well yes it is good to take the extra time to make sure the pic matches the story
However spending time pointing out the image was wrong then takes away form to original point and tends to take thread on a tangent
It would have been more constructive to say "That image you used is from another event... but here is one that does match your point :P
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QuoteI'm not forcing you to do any thing, you spend your time the way you want. :)
In effect you do because by shooting down my example of the point I was trying to make, you force me to find better exaples that HAVE been fact checked..
End result is you STILL haven't addressed the original point that being;
Migrant hordes are causing Chaos
Quote from: ArMaP on April 14, 2019, 07:30:53 PM
What I see called "no-go zones" have existed here (and I'm sure in other countries too) for a long time,
A no go zone is where police fear to tread and actually forbid others from entering...
can you please send me a list of no go zones where this is true OTHER than Muslim zones?
Thanks in advance
Quote from: zorgon on April 14, 2019, 10:34:39 PM
It would have been more constructive to say "That image you used is from another event... but here is one that does match your point :P
That would be doing your work, something I'm not interested in. :)
QuoteIn effect you do because by shooting down my example of the point I was trying to make, you force me to find better exaples that HAVE been fact checked..
If you had done your work as you should the first time nothing of this had happened. :)
QuoteEnd result is you STILL haven't addressed the original point that being;
Migrant hordes are causing Chaos
That's because that statement means very little, chaos is a relative thing, as, for example, it can be on a specific location and time or widespread and constant.
Chaos during a demonstration is something that happens frequently (like those from the Yellow Vests), widespread chaos is something that hasn't happened.
Quote from: zorgon on April 14, 2019, 10:36:54 PM
A no go zone is where police fear to tread and actually forbid others from entering...
I understand that, the cases I spoke on my post were some of those.
Quotecan you please send me a list of no go zones where this is true OTHER than Muslim zones?
No, and I can't even send you a list of Muslim zones, as I know of none.
Quote from: ArMaP on April 13, 2019, 04:30:12 AM
And who do you think was behind it?
That is simple :O B A M A and his then secretary of state Hitlary...
Quote from: zorgon on April 14, 2019, 10:36:54 PM
A no go zone is where police fear to tread
I'm not seeing a problem with that. Nimbin was a vastly better place before the police became more active.
Advocates of police only focus on the fact that police will supposedly defend you. What they don't mention, however, is that police presence generally prevents people from taking measures to defend
themselves.If Muslims do end up taking over society to the extent that you expect, Zorgon, guess which group are likely going to be instrumental in helping them bring that about? The Muslims can't do that completely by themselves, and they can't stop people fighting back by themselves, either. They need the police for that.
Quote from: The Seeker on April 15, 2019, 04:12:32 AM
That is simple :O B A M A and his then secretary of state Hitlary...
And why would they do that to Europe?
Quote from: ArMaP on April 15, 2019, 09:40:30 PM
And why would they do that to Europe?
Well we don't know the WHY...
At least here in the USA we know that the DemonRats want the illegal migrants because they want their votes... It was the Demonrats that set up sanctuary cities so illegals would have a safe haven...
But an odd thing happened... Donald Trump made a statement that he would send the hordes of illegal now invading by bus to these sanctuary cities...
And GUESS WHAT? The DemonRats were FURIOUS... don't want them
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Pelosi fumes over White House plan to release immigrant detainees in sanctuary citiesQuote"The extent of this Administration's cynicism and cruelty cannot be overstated," Pelosi spokeswoman Ashley Etienne said in a statement Friday. "Using human beings—including little children—as pawns in their warped game to perpetuate fear and demonize immigrants is despicable, and in some cases, criminal."
She added: "The American people have resoundingly rejected this Administration's toxic anti-immigrant policies, and Democrats will continue to advance immigration policies that keep us safe and honor our values."
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/pelosi-fumes-over-white-house-plan-to-release-immigrant-detainees-in-sanctuary-cities
BEFORE trump made that announcement CHER says
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AFTER the announcement CHER says:
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It's all over the web 'trending' trump supporters are calling it the best move ever... and the DemonRats are calling foul play. So it seems they want open borders so long as they don't end up in THEIR cities
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continued...
Quote from: ArMaP on April 15, 2019, 09:40:30 PM
And why would they do that to Europe?
As for Europe, we still don't really know WHY... No one has a problem with true refugees seeking a better life.. but what possible good can it do for a nation to take in tens of thousands young male migrants that have no intention of working and just look to cause trouble?
Well it was a mistake as they are finding out now. The issue has already cause the UK to want out of the EU
Merkel (Germany's Hillary clone :P ) is in trouble for her job
Her continued defense of her decision to admit more than a million migrants to Germany last year has left her increasingly isolated from other leaders coping with anti-immigrant, anti-Muslim sentiment in their electorates, especially after terrorist attacks.Angela Merkel's Problems in Germany Could Challenge Europe, Toohttps://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/12/world/europe/angela-merkel-germany-european-union-migrants.html
You guys in Portugal may THINK you want them, but mark my words, the rest of Europe is fighting back. No small country, and not even the USA can absorb tens of thousand of this type of migrant. And do NOT mistake these miscreants for true refugees who bring their entire family looking for asylum
This seems to be the main point that the modern Liberals fail to comprehend Refuges need help and support.. Migrant are an INVASION
But as to WHY and WHO? Well everyone points to George Soros as the key figure, a man who has sworn to destroy Western civilization AND has been linked to MANY funding campaigns to make this happen.
I am sure he is not alone, but there is enough evidence to point to him as a key player
Breaking News - Notre Dame Cathedral in FlamesParis' Notre Dame Cathedral has been saved from "total destruction," according to a French fire official, after a massive fire ripped through the structure on Monday and caused the roof and main spire to collapse.
CNBC (1 hour ago)
Top news (Needs a new thread)
But THIS... This shows the mentality of certain ethnic groups
'Allah est grand': Muslims laugh as blaze destroys Notre Dame cathedral(https://i1.wp.com/btnews.online/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/Allah-est-grand%E2%80%99-Muslims-laugh-as-blaze-destroys-Notre-Dame-cathedral-2.jpg?resize=720%2C340&ssl=1)
QuoteNotre Dame cathedral could be destroyed in hours after firefighters struggle to contain a massive inferno which has wrecked part of the iconic landmark.
Dramatic pictures show the devastation caused by the savage blaze which has already laid waste to the 850-year-old Parisian church's spire.
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QuoteMuslim terrorists may not have set the fire, but they're certainly celebrating it.
A whole lot of people with Arab names are finding the historic Notre Dame ablaze very funny.
Twitter user Damien Rieu posted a video showing a number of Jihad-sympathizers responding to a video of the Paris church with a "laughing" face emoji.
Lisa Bragg Leavittit might not have been terrorists - however in 2016 French police arrested a man on the terror watch list for making plans to burn down Notre Dame and found his car with 7 gas tanks parked near Notre Dame ... many articles on it available from 2016
https://btnews.online/allah-est-grand-muslims-laugh-as-blaze-destroys-notre-dame-cathedral/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vis-LaCeYRw
GOOD POINT
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Quote from: ArMaP on April 14, 2019, 11:55:47 AM
One thing that always makes me suspicious is when I see signs written in a language that is not spoken on the country the images were taken, like in the still image from the above video.
If they were demonstrating against French authorities/whatever, why write signs in English?
Because the ORGANIZERS of these protests prepare them months ahead of time and use English because it will be on American TV
Or did you think they quickly scribbled the signs the night before?
And there is also the option that some signs are photoshopped :P
Quote from: zorgon on April 16, 2019, 07:46:47 AM
Have you ever seen a Muslim hospital
I haven't seen a Muslim hospital with my own eyes, but that's not surprising, as there aren't that many Muslims in Portugal. In Muslim countries they do have hospitals, obviously.
QuoteHave you ever seen a bush fire brigade with Muslims helping to put out the fires?
A specific fire brigade, advertised as such? No, never, and I haven't seen any Christian fire brigade either, or from any other religion.
QuoteHave you ever seen a canteen manned by Muslims supplying tea and coffee to victims or workers of any disaster?
Once more, personally, I haven't, but I haven't see any canteen for victims or workers of any disaster.
QuoteHow many Muslim sponsored Surfing Life Savings Clubs have you seen?
I didn't have the slightest idea of what a Surfing Life Savings Club was, I had to do a search. After knowing what that is I find it a stupid question.
QuoteHave you ever heard a Muslim orchestra?
Not personally, but I have seen it on TV.
QuoteHave you seen a Muslim band march on parade?
No. I haven't seen any Christian, Jew or Buddhist band march on parade either. I have seen many times bands march on parade, but I never asked any of the members what was their religion, so I cannot say if there were any Muslims, Buddhists, Sikhs or Christians in them, although Christians are highly likely to be there, as Portugal is a Christian country and many of the bands I have seen marching were doing it on a Christian event, although the bands themselves are not directly connected to the Church.
QuoteHave you ever seen any Muslim charity?
Not personally.
QuoteHave you ever seen any Muslim infrastructure other than a Mosque or a Muslim only school?
Not that I remember, but I haven't seen any Muslim school either, the only structure I have seen is the Lisbon Mosque.
QuoteHave you shaken hands with a Muslim girl scout?
What a stupid question. ::)
No, I haven't, as I haven't shaken hands with any girl or boy scout.
As an aside, in Portugal there are two different groups of boy (and girl, both groups have boys and girls) scouts, one connected to the Catholic Church, the other not connected with it.
QuoteHave you seen a Muslim Candy Stripper?
Another thing I had to search for, as I didn't have the slightest idea of what that was.
Now that I know, I can tell you that I do not know if I have seen one or not, as I do not ask people about their religion, specially people I do not know.
To me, nothing of this is a good point, it's just a list of things done by some ignorant or bad intentioned person.
QuoteTo me, nothing of this is a good point, it's just a list of things done by some ignorant or bad intentioned person.
Armap, that is where you being from another country and culture comes in to play:Thar entire list of things is normal and accepted behavior for Americans because we generally work together and help each other...
In America, for the most part, we are caring and sharing people, when a hurricane hits, or a tornado, we give to those in need, volunteer our time and services to help salvage belongings or clear wreckage and debris, help cook or distribute food to the hungry,donate our time and money to help those in need because it is the right thing to do
I have a neighbor that is 80 years old and about to have major shoulder surgery; I have already volunteered to help with his yardwork until he recovers; because that is the right thing to do; another neighbor just recently helped him repair a wooden fence around his backyard, because it is the right thing to do, for free, with a smile and a handshake...
I see a woman with a car full of kids on the side of the road with a flat tire, I will stop and offer to help her change her tire and get her on her way once more, because it is the right thing to do, and no act of kindness goes un-rewarded in the end...
The issue most of us have with Islam in general is that instead of coming over here to live and enjoy life in our world, they want to change it into the pissed up world they just left because it was pissed up to begin with; this is my country, leave it alone or go back where you came from...
Quote from: The Seeker on April 19, 2019, 03:48:44 PM
In America, for the most part, we are caring and sharing people, when a hurricane hits, or a tornado, we give to those in need, volunteer our time and services to help salvage belongings or clear wreckage and debris, help cook or distribute food to the hungry,donate our time and money to help those in need because it is the right thing to do
And, from what I have seen, many people in the US think they are the only ones doing that, that people in other countries are not caring and sharing people that give to those in need and volunteer their time and services to help those in need.
I suppose that makes them feel better than the others. ::)
Quote from: ArMaP on April 19, 2019, 03:58:53 PM
And, from what I have seen, many people in the US think they are the only ones doing that, that people in other countries are not caring and sharing people that give to those in need and volunteer their time and services to help those in need.
Not at all... but most people tend to only focus on what is most relevant to them. before the internet most people didn't really care about much beyond their immediate vicinity. The evening news only touched on international news for about 5-10 minutes and then only stories that were big.
You CANNOT worry about the entire world That is one of the downsides to the net... you see the entire world's problems at your doorstep.
QuoteI suppose that makes them feel better than the others. ::)
That is a silly statement...
What Seeker said is right on the money. When the USA was formed we had an open door for people that were oppressed and tired of their lifestyle to come her and start a NEW LIFE and make this a great country. Immigrants (my parents included) came with nothing but a suitcase of possesions landed in New York or Montreal in Canada... they came with hopes to escape the old and start over from scratch
Today however we have hoardes of people both Nuslim and Mexicam, that have no interest in integration... The Mexicans are protesing for legal status but burning our flag and flying theirs One high school Mexican girl was even attacked by her own people for flying an Anerican flag.
This is not immigration... this is INVASION
So you may want those illegal migrants but we worked hard for our way of life and we are not ready to have America turn into a shit hole nation
I saw a TV show yesterday "Lucifer" they filmed in LA ... well even in that show the LA streets were filled with tents for these illegals... and we are supposed to just keep letting them in?
Mark my words Americans are pretty apathetic at the moment, but they are armed like never before (thanks to Obama's call for banning guns) There WILL come a breaking point when people WILL take to the streets and 'fix things" themselves
It is already happening at the southern boarder
ARMED MILITIA IS HOLDING ILLEGALS FROM MEXICO FOR BORDER PATROL
A militia group calling itself the United Constitutional Patriots is detaining illegals as they cross the New Mexico border.
The armed group stops the illegal migrants and holds them until U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) guards can intervene. They reportedly "arrested" about 200 illegal aliens this week and documented their efforts on YouTube, according to The New York Times.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwwm98EjD98
https://dailycaller.com/2019/04/19/armed-militia-holding-illegals-border-patrol/
Just as bad as many cities in Europe. How is this acceptable in your mind? WHY should we keep letting more and more in?
Even CHER changed her mind from supporting open borders to say THIS (agreeing with Trump now)
(https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&source=images&cd=&ved=&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.rushlimbaugh.com%2Fdaily%2F2019%2F04%2F15%2Ftonight-shows-raymond-siller-why-not-adopt-an-illegal%2F&psig=AOvVaw1Aq62iFw1Zmffl9Lzp_Wve&ust=1555783913930867)
DOWNTOWN LA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbTSDuQET94
ORANGE COUNTY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45qSj4_DVxs
SILICON VALLEY SAN FRANSICO
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjS7TrZJpnk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGDBG7c6nrg
Quote from: zorgon on April 19, 2019, 07:08:47 PM
That is a silly statement...
Not from my point of view, I have seen many people (apparently) convinced that the US is the only country where people are willing to help other people.
QuoteWhat Seeker said is right on the money. When the USA was formed we had an open door for people that were oppressed and tired of their lifestyle to come her and start a NEW LIFE and make this a great country. Immigrants (my parents included) came with nothing but a suitcase of possesions landed in New York or Montreal in Canada... they came with hopes to escape the old and start over from scratch
Today however we have hoardes of people both Nuslim and Mexicam, that have no interest in integration...
I agree that integration is the hardest part, but in the past integration was not immediate, that's we you got things like Chinatown and Little Italy (and Little Portugal), places where people from specific origins gathered because they felt better surrounded by other people from the same source.
QuoteThe Mexicans are protesing for legal status but burning our flag and flying theirs One high school Mexican girl was even attacked by her own people for flying an Anerican flag.
This is not immigration... this is INVASION
It's immigration in the 21st century, immigration of the Facebook generation, full of people that think they have rights that supersede other people's rights. You can see that this is more visible on immigrants coming from urban areas than those coming from rural areas, like most African immigrants. Although Mexico is a relatively poor country, it's a country where people have easy access to information, so they got their Facebook and Twiter influences and their share of "US culture bombing".
QuoteSo you may want those illegal migrants but we worked hard for our way of life and we are not ready to have America turn into a shit hole nation
I didn't say I want them, I just accept them. :)
QuoteMark my words Americans are pretty apathetic at the moment, but they are armed like never before (thanks to Obama's call for banning guns) There WILL come a breaking point when people WILL take to the streets and 'fix things" themselves
I don't see that happening in an relatively order manner, so if it happens it will most likely end badly for all the involved.
QuoteThe armed group stops the illegal migrants and holds them until U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) guards can intervene. They reportedly "arrested" about 200 illegal aliens this week and documented their efforts on YouTube, according to The New York Times.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwwm98EjD98
https://dailycaller.com/2019/04/19/armed-militia-holding-illegals-border-patrol/
I hope it doesn't happen, but I wouldn't be surprised if things scale from there to the point of people shooting immigrants to make things easier for them or because they are afraid of a larger group or whatever reason, and that will not help.
QuoteI agree that integration is the hardest part, but in the past integration was not immediate, that's we you got things like Chinatown and Little Italy (and Little Portugal), places where people from specific origins gathered because they felt better surrounded by other people from the same source.
The difference was that places like China Town, Little Italy, et al, were ethnic communities but they acknowledged that they were in the US, proud to be in the US, agreed to play by our rule of law, and not immediately trying to subvert or corrupt the system.
As for it ending badly, probably so; I encounter a rape gang trying to gang bang some poor innocent woman or girl, they deserve what they get; rapists and pedophiles need to pay the maximum penalty
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Quote from: zorgon on April 19, 2019, 07:14:10 PM
Even CHER changed her mind from supporting open borders to say THIS (agreeing with Trump now)
Well it seems to be difficult to put up a pic up of Chers tweet. The only links I found DO NOT show the whole tweet. So I'm quoting it to you below with lack of spacing and everything as it is shown. There is a U.S.A. flag icon in her tweet. I show its place in parentheses. Chers Tweet......
"I understand helping struggling immigrants,but MY CITY (Los Angeles) ISNT TAKING CARE OF ITS OWN.WHAT ABOUT THE 50,000+ (a U.S. flag) Citizens WHO LIVE ON THE STREETS.PPL WHO LIVE BELOW POVERTY LINE,& HUNGRY? If My State Can't Take Care of Its Own(Many Are VETS)How Can it Take Care Of More
11:33 AM - 15 Apr 2019"
Quote from: WhatTheHey on April 19, 2019, 10:17:24 PM
Well it seems to be difficult to put up a pic up of Chers tweet.
Here it is. :)
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/Twit_Cher.jpg)
ArMaP,
If I had the cash I would send you every illegal Mexican, et al, that crosses our southern border.
You'd change your tune in a heartbeat.
This is an invasion on the scale of war. It must be fought as such.
Quote from: ArMaP on April 19, 2019, 03:58:53 PM
And, from what I have seen, many people in the US think they are the only ones doing that, that people in other countries are not caring and sharing people that give to those in need and volunteer their time and services to help those in need.
I suppose that makes them feel better than the others. ::)
Propaganda. We don't think that.
Yeah, Cher and Pelosi - "Let everybody in!"
"WAIT A MINUTE! NOT IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD!"
Hypocrites.
Quote from: Irene on April 20, 2019, 02:38:40 AM
Propaganda. We don't think that.
It's not propaganda, I'm talking about what I have seen people saying and writing on the Internet in all the years I have been using it (almost 23 years), directly from the persons' mouth/keyboard.
Quote from: Irene on April 20, 2019, 02:34:19 AM
ArMaP,
If I had the cash I would send you every illegal Mexican, et al, that crosses our southern border.
You'd change your tune in a heartbeat.
What "tune"? What do you think I would change in my opinion?
Quote from: Irene on April 20, 2019, 02:41:20 AM
Hypocrites.
Or ignorant of what they were talking about in the beginning.
Quote from: Irene on April 20, 2019, 02:38:40 AM
Propaganda. We don't think that.
You may not think that, but that's what it is.
Quote from: ArMaP on April 20, 2019, 11:45:25 AM
Or ignorant of what they were talking about in the beginning.
Shit. I accidentally edited your post, ArMaP. My apologies. I hit the wrong damn button.
These politicians and celebrities are not ignorant of the facts. They are two-faced people in positions of power who are trying to knuckle us into adopting their way of thinking. They espouse leftist views because they seek the power that will come with illegal immigration. Illegal immigration means Dem votes, which advances their agenda.BUT, they know having the Third World horde in their backyard will drive down property values. God forbid they extend their idealogical generosity to sharing their backyards with tent people who don't speak a lick of English and have no interest in truly becoming citizens of the country they're invading."Do as I say, not as I do" is the motto of people like Cher and Pelosi. They should put their money where their mouth is and use their millions to support the illegals who are already here and sucking up government resources like Medicaid, food stamps, et al.I pay thousands in taxes. I'm not interested in supporting illegal aliens. I want our veterans and our elderly taken care of first, not some guy who crosses to pick crops and sends nine out of ten dollars back to Mexico and is getting free health care, food, and other services without having to surrender a dime to the US Treasury.Not to mention the other ethnicities who come across our border to infiltrate our populace for nefarious purposes.ArMaP, I don't claim to know what's going on in Portugal. I don't know. Please don't presume to know what's going on in the United States. You don't live here.
Quote from: Irene on April 20, 2019, 02:41:20 AM
Yeah, Cher and Pelosi - "Let everybody in!"
"WAIT A MINUTE! NOT IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD!"
Hypocrites.
And yet they supposedly created those snactuary cities just for that reason
Well THIS is the result
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45qSj4_DVxs
That is Orange County LA This happened in a few short years and add other 500,000 to this?
Pelosi wants those illegals in "OUR" cities so they can destroy our way of life....
These tent cities for migrants are spring up all over Europe and many US cities already. YES they DO include the 'regular' homeless as well. That tens to happen because they all congregate
ArMaP Consider yourself lucky that portugal is poor and you don't have the invasion yet. I am willing to bet you would sing a different tune if you did
PS (for ArMaP :P ) Definition of sing a different tune. informal. : to change the way one talks about something : to have a different opinion about something They say they're not worried about money, but once they see how much the new equipment will cost, they'll be singing a different tune.
Quote from: Irene on April 20, 2019, 07:23:03 PM
You may not think that, but that's what it is.
How is it propaganda when it's my opinion based on what I have seen people say? That's the same thing as saying that my opinion on what you write here is propaganda.
Quote from: Irene on April 20, 2019, 07:43:59 PM
Shit. I accidentally edited your post, ArMaP. My apologies. I hit the wrong damn button.
No problems, it happens. :)
QuoteThese politicians and celebrities are not ignorant of the facts.
I wouldn't be so sure, as I think many (if not most) of them live in a world of their own, getting information indirectly, through other people, so they are easy to manipulate.
QuoteArMaP, I don't claim to know what's going on in Portugal. I don't know. Please don't presume to know what's going on in the United States. You don't live here.
Where did I presume to know any thing about what's going on in the US?
Quote from: zorgon on April 20, 2019, 08:06:20 PM
These tent cities for migrants are spring up all over Europe and many US cities already. YES they DO include the 'regular' homeless as well. That tens to happen because they all congregate
Could you post some examples from Europe?
QuotePS (for ArMaP :P ) Definition of sing a different tune. informal. : to change the way one talks about something : to have a different opinion about something They say they're not worried about money, but once they see how much the new equipment will cost, they'll be singing a different tune.
I know what it means, I just wanted to know what
Irene thinks I would change in my opinion.
Quote from: ArMaP on April 20, 2019, 09:23:56 PM
Could you post some examples from Europe?
Sure happy to oblige :P
QuoteI know what it means, I just wanted to know what Irene thinks I would change in my opinion.
Just taking precautions :P
GREECE
Greece's Biggest Migrant Camp Is a Mental Health Crisis, Aid Groups Say
Refugees and migrants at the Moria refugee camp in Lesbos, Greece, last month. It has 8,500 residents but the capacity for only 3,100, an aid group's report said.
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Refugees and migrants at the Moria refugee camp in Lesbos, Greece, last month. It has 8,500 residents but the capacity for only 3,100, an aid group's report said.CreditCreditAris Messinis/Agence France-Presse — Getty Images
By Niki Kitsantonis
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/25/world/europe/greece-migrant-camp-mental-health.html
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(https://static.euronews.com/articles/stories/03/45/59/88/880x495_cmsv2_32a4d3b4-a1c7-540c-8bec-76a61c102ec0-3455988.jpg)
Inside Moria: Euronews takes you around Greece's biggest refugee camp (https://www.euronews.com/2018/11/23/inside-moira-euronews-takes-you-around-greece-s-biggest-refugee-camp)
Moria, Greece's largest refugee camp, has been criticised for being overcrowded and unfit for humans.
More than 8,000 migrants — waiting for their asylum claims to be heard — live at the 3,000- people capacity former military base on Lesbos.
Now, with winter fast approaching, Euronews' Apostolos Staikos has visited the camp to see what life is like on the inside.
You can watch his full report in the video player, above, or take a look below at what else he captured:
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PARIS , FRANCE
Tent cities rise in Paris after 'Jungle' evacuation
With the closing of the Calais camp, the French capital is seeing more asylum seekers pitching tents on the streets.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/10/tent-cities-rise-paris-jungle-evacuation-161030074232527.html
(https://www.aljazeera.com/mritems/Images/2016/10/30/a24f18c0be004db6ad29d1602c8eddff_18.jpg)
(https://cdni.rt.com/files/2016.10/article/5813575bc46188cb738b45aa.jpg)
Paris police dismantle tent camp where 2,100 migrants were living in squalid conditions
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City workers remove tents and mattresses from an evacuated makeshift migrant camp near the metro stations of Jaures and Stalingrad in Paris, France, on September 16, 2016. Credit: Benoit Tessier/Reuters
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City workers remove tents and mattresses from an evacuated makeshift migrant camp near the metro stations of Jaures and Stalingrad in Paris, France, on September 16, 2016. Credit: Benoit Tessier/Reuters
At least France is trying to clean it up from main tourist areas The Calais Tunnel crossing was a huge camp... migrants attacking and blocking trucks on the way to the UK So they tore down that camp finally but the migrants just go elsewhere
More migrants pitch tents on Paris streets as Calais camp shuts
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https://www.straitstimes.com/world/europe/more-migrants-pitch-tents-on-paris-streets-as-calais-camp-shuts
France tells migrants to forget Calais as 'Jungle' camp razed
https://www.straitstimes.com/world/europe/france-tells-migrants-to-forget-calais-as-jungle-camp-razed
Clearance of Calais Jungle camp accomplished, French prefect says
https://www.straitstimes.com/world/europe/clearance-of-calais-jungle-camp-accomplished-french-prefect-says
(https://yenisafak.feo.doracdn.com/resize/47uQufiZbmsgHk3H/1920/0/resim/upload/2017/12/25/11/37/6ae963571.jpg)
(https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/news/2016/10/30/112329438_Paris_migrants_tents_trans_NvBQzQNjv4BqgsaO8O78rhmZrDxTlQBjdGcv5yZLmao6LolmWYJrXns.jpg)
France prepares to remove thousands of migrants from streets of Paris as numbers grow after Calais 'Jungle' demolition
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10/30/france-prepares-to-remove-thousands-of-migrants-from-streets-of/
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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/05/17/paris-heading-migrant-tragedy-warn-charities-two-drownings-stabbing/
Officials at odds over fate of 2,500 sleeping rough in rat-infested camps
Paris migrant crisis could spiral out of control, warn charities after two drownings and a stabbing
A Migrant Camp is not a tent city, is it?
As for those images from France, they are from 2016, do you have images from this year?
GERMANY
Migrant crisis: German town 'running out of room'
https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-europe-34286682/migrant-crisis-german-town-running-out-of-room
Tents and containers made into houses by the governmeny
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Is fear of change at the root of Europe's anti-immigrant backlash?
https://www.brookings.edu/blog/future-development/2016/09/14/is-fear-of-change-at-the-root-of-europes-anti-immigrant-backlash/
(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/12/10/10/2F2CC4DE00000578-3351335-Shattered_The_migrants_who_dreamed_of_a_new_life_in_a_welcoming_-m-1_1449742361389.jpg)
Shattered: The migrants who dreamed of a new life in a welcoming Germany have found themselves greeted by protests and even violence in some towns, like Freital. Here, the arrival of 400 people to a migrant reception centre in nearby Dresden was met with anger from locals
The frontline of Germany's migrant crisis: Inside the small town where Nazi hate mobs hold violent protests and threaten to burn down refugee centres
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3351335/We-burn-hostel-Poster-town-Germany-s-migrant-crisis-Nazi-hate-mob-vigilante-attacks-driving-drug-taking-refugees-dream-new-life-UK.html
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Violence: Drunk neo-Nazis clashed with police near Dresden hours after a mysterious fire destroyed a shelter for asylum seekers entering Germany in Tal, in Baden-Wuerttemberg state, five hours south west of Freital
Migrant crisis: 1 injured as shots fired at migrant centre in German town of Dreieich
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German armed forces soldiers set up tents and beds for refugees in a hangar of the former Tempelhof airport in Berlin Hannibal Hanschke/Reuters
In the last year more than one million refugees have reached Germany, mostly fleeing the conflict in Syria. Although many Germans have welcomed the migrants, there have been a number of arson attacks on centres and demonstrations by anti-Islam group Pegida which is alarmed at what they see as the Islamisation of Europe.
Chancellor Angela Merkel is coming under increasing pressure over her support for the wave of immigrants, which has seen the largest movement of people in Europe since World War II and led to suggestions the Schengen zone may be doomed.
Suggestions that at least one of those involved in the Paris attacks entered Europe posing as a refugee have also fuelled concern across the continent.
https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/migrant-crisis-1-injured-shots-fired-migrant-centre-german-town-dreieich-1535990
Quote from: ArMaP on April 20, 2019, 10:34:14 PM
A Migrant Camp is not a tent city, is it?
Yes it is... homeless and or migrants living in large groups in tents is what is called a TENT CITY
QuoteAs for those images from France, they are from 2016, do you have images from this year?
The internet is full of them... how many do you need to realize it is a major problem?
Is March 2019 good enough for you Mr Ostrich? Notice the article SPECIFICALLY says 'tent city' :P
Rory Mulholland (@mulhollandrory) 28 March 2019 ... The 'tent city' huddles under Paris' busy inner ring road, largely invisible to the many ...
'Chaos at the gates of Paris': Inside the sprawling migrant camps nobody talks about(https://www.thelocal.fr/userdata/images/article/2a47b46537c57c87e8674b105c640360859489ac494995f3c080571cb334447e.jpg)
https://www.thelocal.fr/20190329/out-of-sight-but-still-there-the-scandal-of-squalid-paris-migrant-camps
April 2018
Paris calls for urgent help to house city's 2,000 canal migrants
https://www.thelocal.fr/20180406/paris-calls-for-help-to-house-thousands-of-canal-migrants
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TEXAS USA
(just because I came across it now :P)
Inside the Texas Tent City Housing More Than 1,000 Migrant Teens
Pretty spiffy looking :P
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https://www.wsj.com/articles/inside-the-texas-tent-city-housing-more-than-1-000-migrant-teens-1539382332
No it's not Glastonbury, it's a refugee camp in Greece: Staggering aerial photos show huge tent city on Macedonian border - where desperate migrants hold babies to razor wire in bid to get across
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These aerial photographs show the scores of tents which have sprung up at a makeshift migrant camp in the northern Greek village of Idomeni, near the Macedonian border, where thousands of refugees have set up a base as they wait to try and cross into Macedonia
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3475652/No-s-not-Glastonbury-Aerial-photos-huge-tent-city-migrant-camp-Greece.html
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Refugees and migrants (left) block the railway track in front of Greek police cordon as others (right) wait in queue to receive food distributed by non-governmental organisation at a refugee camp at the Greek-Macedonian border, near the Greek village of Idomeni
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Macedonian authorities have now set up a 19-mile barbed wire boundary, with parallel lines of 8ft fencing keeping thousands of migrants trapped in Greece. Only a narrow passage has been left in a bid to control migration flow, with controls growing increasingly stringent
Paris migrant camp to be evicted on French government orders
France's interior minister has ordered Paris forcibly evacuate migrant camps that have sprung up along its canals. The move is emblematic of France's tough new approach to migrants.
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The French Interior Ministry on Monday pledged to evict about 2,300 migrants camped next to popular Parisian canals.
The contentious decision has highlighted the problem of how European nations are managing the continuing migrant influx.
For several months migrants have been settling on the banks of two canals in the northeast of Paris. Aid organizations have sounded the alarm about the living conditions there after two migrants drowned and others were injured in fights.
Macron vows no return of Calais migrant camp
https://www.dw.com/en/paris-migrant-camp-to-be-evicted-on-french-government-orders/a-43895633
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There's a global refugee crisis. The United States has all but shut the door on it. Alexander Koerner/Getty Images
President Donald Trump says he doesn't want the United States to turn into a "migrant camp."
"The United States will not be a migrant camp, and it will not be a refugee holding facility —won't be," Trump said at a meeting of the National Space Council Monday. "You look at what's happening in Europe, you look at what's happening in other places, we can't allow that to happen to the United States."
"Not on my watch," Trump said.
https://www.vox.com/2018/6/18/17475512/trump-migrant-camp-refugee-germany
Quote from: zorgon on April 20, 2019, 10:41:06 PM
Yes it is... homeless and or migrants living in large groups in tents is what is called a TENT CITY
I thought you were talking about tent cities made by the migrants themselves instead of organised by the country they're in.
QuoteThe internet is full of them... how many do you need to realize it is a major problem?
The Internet is full of people saying the Earth is flat. Just because it exists on the Internet doesn't mean it's true, that's why I like verifiable references.
QuoteIs March 2019 good enough for you Mr Ostrich?
That's not my name, and yes, 2019 is good enough for me, what happened 3 years is not proof of any thing happening today.
QuoteApril 2018
Paris calls for urgent help to house city's 2,000 canal migrants
https://www.thelocal.fr/20180406/paris-calls-for-help-to-house-thousands-of-canal-migrants
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That's a good example of why I like to see references from this year, the news from 2019 talks about the people that were living along the canals (talked about in the 2018 article) and that were removed from there, so that 2018 article is outdated. Those are not two "tent cities", they are the same in two different places in different years.
Quote from: zorgon on April 20, 2019, 11:01:10 PM
Paris migrant camp to be evicted on French government orders
France's interior minister has ordered Paris forcibly evacuate migrant camps that have sprung up along its canals. The move is emblematic of France's tough new approach to migrants.
That's the same case of the previous articles from France.
Quote from: zorgon on April 20, 2019, 10:08:44 PM
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As squalid as these images do look, it should be remembered that people who live like this, most likely were not the ones responsible for the oceans and atmosphere currently filling up with microplastic. It took the supposedly glorious modern civilisation to do that.
I dislike Islam because of the religion's policy of murdering anyone who wants to live in any way other than how they do themselves, and because of their general belief that they are entitled to employ violence against anyone different. Just because I don't want an Islamic monoculture, however, that does not also mean that I want a European one.
I'm truthfully becoming almost as tired of emotively hysterical, geriatric white advocacy of their own supremacy, as I am of such from either intersectional feminism or Muslims themselves. I'm sick of society consisting of nothing other than various competing, coercive
cults which all want me and everyone else as footsoldiers in their own army, and to destroy every other group that exists. I don't like the fact that the Muslims are playing that game, but they are a
long way from being the only group who are playing it.
Maybe I'd be more enthusiastic about old white men remaining in charge of everything, if my father, grandfather, and uncle had not given me such a great demonstration of how fundamentally tyrannical, hypocritical, and corrupt that scenario is; or if me having autism didn't mean that despite my being white, the proverbial master race would be just as likely to put me at the end of a rope as the blacks and whoever else.
The other thing that I am having to come to terms with, is that for a large number of different reasons, the world I was born into in 1977 is irrecoverably gone, and it is not coming back. That is not the exclusive fault of either the Muslims or any other single group in existence, and to the extent that anyone tries to claim that it is, it will only be because they want power over us. Hitler tried to claim that literally everything bad in existence was the Jews' fault; it wasn't, for the simple reason that no single group, including them, could ever have that much power.
I know that the world is an indescribable nightmare right now. I know that the environment is dying. I know that in the current insanity, all of us have lost people, and things, and homes, and ways of life which meant absolutely everything to us. Most of us don't have any kind of even basic framework or context left; we just get up, medicate ourselves in whatever way we can to enable us to shamble through another 24 hours of the grey, monochromatic horror, before going to bed in order to get up and do the same thing tomorrow.
In one way or another, right now every single one of us is a refugee. Even if we're not physically from some Third World country, then we are from the comparitive sanity of the period in which we spent our childhood. The world has gone insane, and the environmental and spiritual context in which humanity was designed to live, now very largely no longer exists.
If the Muslims are trying to take over the planet right now, then I'm guessing that that is their motivation. They presumably think that Sharia will give them order; and I've seen some of them openly admitting that. What they don't realise, however, is that it won't; no more than did the equally harsh or oppressive Law of Moses, or the Yassa of Genghis Khan. Attaching the death penalty to every crime can only lead either to rebellion or almost total depopulation of a society.
The current insanity, astrologically speaking, is going to last until at least 2025. I don't know whether the Muslims or whoever else will succeed in conquering the planet in that time. I do know, however, that the only way that any of us can deal with it, is by keeping our heads down as much as possible. When it is over, then we can go above ground again, clean up the rubble, and rebuild; but attempting to do anything during the current storm will not accomplish anything positive, and will only potentially get us killed.
Quote from: petrus4 on April 21, 2019, 01:42:06 AM
As squalid as these images do look, it should be remembered that people who live like this, most likely were not the ones responsible for the oceans and atmosphere currently filling up with microplastic. It took the supposedly glorious modern civilization to do that.
We too live in tent cities :P There is no need to live in filth and squalor
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Quote from: petrus4 on April 21, 2019, 01:42:06 AM
Maybe I'd be more enthusiastic about old white men remaining in charge of everything, if my father, grandfather, and uncle had not given me such a great demonstration of how fundamentally tyrannical, hypocritical, and corrupt that scenario is; or if me having autism didn't mean that despite my being white, the proverbial master race would be just as likely to put me at the end of a rope as the blacks and whoever else.
Yes Old White men in the days were tyrannical :P and the White Race will soon be crossbred out of existance
But the White were the BUILDERS Look at Rhodesia before and after black rule took over Same is happeming in South Africa
Pretty soon the world will become a shit hole planet. I won't be around for that, but my daughter will
IRANIAN UK
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Quote from: zorgon on April 21, 2019, 10:34:46 PM
But the White were the BUILDERS Look at Rhodesia before and after black rule took over Same is happeming in South Africa
Too bad they built all that at the expenses of the local people, but I suppose that doesn't matter. ::)
Quote from: zorgon on April 21, 2019, 11:28:06 PM
IRANIAN UK
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Is there any thing wrong in that photo?
A thread about a migrant backlash written by a migrant. :)
As a former soldier who stood in the gap for American citizens, and former law enforcement officer and corrections officer along with being a part business owner and taxpayer, These migrants are getting more and being rewarded for coming here than my family who is native-born citizens. I say they need to be returned to their home countries. If you are a legal immigrant who came in a legal way then I have no problem with that particular process.
What we have at the border is an invasion. This has gotten out of control.
HUNGARY has said ENOUGH and is telling the UN to f**k off
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pz2kDlmHbRQ
Quote from: Pimander on April 24, 2019, 11:50:25 PM
A thread about a migrant backlash written by a migrant. :)
There is a HUGE difference between people and families looking for a new home in a better country and work for YEARS to enter LEGALLY (took us 5 years from Canada and I need to prove I had a job waiting for me that no American could easily fill This was 1993 - I also had to prove that no one in my family had a criminal record and that we had no communicable diseases) I broke all ties to germany and only a few family left in Canada and I proudly fly my American Flag made in Valley Forge
What we are talking about here is NOT true refuges that bring women children and their elderly with them seeking to integrate into a new better life.
What we are talking about is young military age men by the 10s of thousand flooding europe now, and they left their women and children behind to survive in their shithole countries to fight their battles
Like these brave girls in Yemen
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Anyone who does not understand the difference between refugee immigration and migrant invasion is in my opinion, a fool.
::) :P
Forget PC Speech :P The look on the leftist women at the end are priceless LS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KA1mgy8zVdU
Quote from: zorgon on May 22, 2019, 07:21:42 AM
There is a HUGE difference between people and families looking for a new home in a better country and work for YEARS to enter LEGALLY (took us 5 years from Canada and I need to prove I had a job waiting for me that no American could easily fill This was 1993 - I also had to prove that no one in my family had a criminal record and that we had no communicable diseases) I broke all ties to germany and only a few family left in Canada and I proudly fly my American Flag made in Valley Forge
What we are talking about here is NOT true refuges that bring women children and their elderly with them seeking to integrate into a new better life.
What we are talking about is young military age men by the 10s of thousand flooding europe now, and they left their women and children behind to survive in their shithole countries to fight their battles
Like these brave girls in Yemen
http://newsweekme.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/yemeni-women-low-res-780x439.jpg
Anyone who does not understand the difference between refugee immigration and migrant invasion is in my opinion, a fool.
::) :P
I'm with you on this Zorgon.
Quote from: zorgon on May 22, 2019, 07:28:14 AM
Forget PC Speech :P The look on the leftist women at the end are priceless LS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KA1mgy8zVdU
Could you imagine an Member of Parliament saying that in Canada? Be kicked out of their party among other things.
Quote from: micjer on May 23, 2019, 10:20:42 PM
Could you imagine an Member of Parliament saying that in Canada? Be kicked out of their party among other things.
So Canada doesn't want TRUTH? :P But Canada is NOT LETTING IN that human trash. They don't allow single male refugees, only vetted AND SPONSORED families :P