This is the story of Airman Charles James Hall And his incredible story of working in The Nevada Desert and coming in contact with a group of ETs who he called "The Tall Whites". Hall was stationed at Nellis from 1965 to 1967 Hall was chosen because of his intelligence level. Halls job was a weatherman they needed someone whom they thought could get Co-exist with The Tall Whites on the Ranges of Dogbone Dry lake and Old Ranges 3 and 4 North of what then was Indian Springs AFB Now Creech AFB.
I think the best thing I can do right now is show you all a video of Hall at the 2005 IUFOC Conference Please watch this whole video if you don't watch the video then don't comment on Hall because I have the whole video memorized. Note The many degrees Hall has A BA in Physics, A M.A. in Nuclear Physics, and several other degrees Halls considered a genius. You may want to forward the video to 5 minutes in and turn up the volume. Heres the video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31KKZvWvS8I
Hall seems to me to be telling a story that is from his own memory. I dont think hes crazy and I dont think He's telling a tale because of the evidence i have found on Google Earth that cooberates exactly what Hall said. With that said take a look at the images I have come up with below. I am just getting started on The Hall story again. I had shared the Charles Hall Story on another forum in which the whole forum is gone. 8)
Heres My Charles Hall picture locations. Your one pic is identical to my own which I have a whole Photobucket. Before they were stored on my old computer and the hard drive crashed. When the hard drive went out I had relocate everything. I actually found a 2nd location check this out.
Check out these areas:
Here's a Top view over the Area where Hall was able to travel wherever he wanted to go The red labels are my own labels on Google Earth.
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The Following area is exactly where Charles Hall Points out on his Map seems to show 3 white Scout Craft and a landing area or Opening to their underground Hanger Halls map can be seen in the next picture:
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Here's The Map that Hall Made showing the location above courtesy of the following Link: http://openseti.org/Hall.html (http://openseti.org/Hall.html)
(http://openseti.org/images/Topo3.jpg)
Here's the second location to the right where it says Talls Entrances
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Here's a closer look at the Second area with 2 possible entrances.
(http://i1183.photobucket.com/albums/x471/bigpappy51/GoogleEarth_Image-12.jpg)
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Here's a view of the Scout Ships from Halls account on the following site: http://openseti.org/Hall.html (http://openseti.org/Hall.html)
(http://openseti.org/images/SCcomp.jpg)
The 3 objects that are in the second photo sure resemble the scout ships Hall has spoken of above. If anyone has a different opinion on what they may be I would love to here it. These locations would be impossible to drive to . The only possible way of getting to them would be by helicopter but I really doubt that's the case. Also a note Hall had pointed that spot out on the map long before it was visible on Google Earth . Only in the past 3 years or so have we been able to view these areas.
Ok I wanted to ad what I think is proof of funding for the underground facility for The Tall Whites.
Source: http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/exopolitica/esp_exopolitics_ZZD.htm (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/exopolitica/esp_exopolitics_ZZD.htm)
The January 5, 1951 story from the Las Vegas Review Journal describes 300 million dollars spent in 1951 to fund the facility and that it was not connected with the atomic program. The funding of this very large facility may be what was described in the Millennial Hospitality book series as the 'large hangar base' built to accommodate the tall whites and their ships by the USAF in the 1950s.
(http://i1183.photobucket.com/albums/x471/bigpappy51/Charlehall-1.jpg)
Ask yourself how much money was $300million back in the early 1951 In todays market that would have to equal Billions. For what? I think its pretty clear what it was for an incredible amount of money for an incredible race of Extra Terrestrials. I would like to Thank Charles Hall for bringing this incredible story to us. I understand Mr Halls health is not the best these days so Charles and Marie Hall Let us all pray for them and God Bless you both.
Charles Halls Book 4 book Series Millennial Hospitality can be purchased at http://www.millennialhospitality.com/ (http://www.millennialhospitality.com/) or right from Amazon just do a search and you will find his books and previews. 8)
(http://www.jonnyenochshow.com/images/tallwhites.jpg)
QuoteHall had extensive, daily experience with an unearthly race of humanoid beings whom he dubbed "the Tall Whites." His description of these beings corresponds in many respects with Parks' description of the Imdugud race (see Races) who in his understanding were created in our solar system and have inhabited it continuously for hundreds of thousands of years.
Exactly what do they have in common? Here's a short list:
Very tall humanoid "Nordic" with white skin
Often have blue eyes
Emit barking or whistling sounds
Solitary
Warriors/soldiers
The Tall Whites used Egyptian-style hieroglyphs and cartouches. Possibly the Imdugud did as well; see below
The Tall Whites frequently wore detachable claws in Hall's presence on the range (because they actually feared him); he noticed that they would remove them for forays into Las Vegas (in favor of gloves).
SOURCE: http://www.zeitlin.net/EndEnchantment/Secret5.html#TWImdugud
The Imdugud are described on Tha Ages of Uras (http://www.zeitlin.net/EndEnchantment/Secrets.html) website. There is a section on the site called Possible Extended Encounter with Imdugud. (http://www.zeitlin.net/EndEnchantment/Secret5.html#TWImdugud)
QuoteReturning to our comparison of the Imdugud and the Tall Whites...
Neither group can tolerate the Greys. This distinguishes the Imdugud from the Kingú-Babbar, who make use of the Greys, who are at their service and are even their creatures.
Like the Kingú, the Imdugud detest associating with others, doing it only in their self-interest. They are difficult to approach, even by a Gina'abul or a Kadištu. As to the Tall Whites, Hall was shot and left to die merely because he took one step toward one of them in order to better hear what the being was trying to say to him. That peculiarity is a striking correspondence.
Hall is not able to explain to our satisfaction what these beings were doing with their base at Nellis, and in fact what they do anywhere. Hall did see numerous "scout craft" based at Nellis, capable of travel throughout the solar system. According to Parks, since the Imdugud were in some sense the guardians of Tiamate, they had bases throughout the system, and many on the Earth.
SOURCE: http://www.zeitlin.net/EndEnchantment/Secret5.html#TWImdugud
Could it be these guys?
SUMER(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/108/305876076_d809b25680.jpg)(http://www.newsnfo.co.uk/images/reptilian%20figurines%20two.JPG)
From Ur (Iraq/Sumer) which possibly dates back to pre-flood times.
(http://www.newsnfo.co.uk/images/eridudeity.jpg)
http://www.newsnfo.co.uk/pages/acientfigurines.html
Iraque Museum Baghdad ,
Male figurine Ubaid period Eridu seven miles
from south west UR about 5000 BCE.
believed by the sumerians to be the first city
and be at least ( 250,000 in Sumarians calculated years ).
& EGYPT(http://www.newsnfo.co.uk/images/eygtianwomanfeeding%20BM1650_1550bc%20copy.jpg)
Egytian clay figurine woman feeding a long headed child
Intermediate period 1550 BC - 1650 BCE British Museum
(http://beforeitsnews.com/ckfinder/userfiles/0000000000005477/images/Egyptian_Grey2.jpg)
(http://beforeitsnews.com/ckfinder/userfiles/0000000000005477/images/egypt_grey.jpg)
Egyptian tomb wall panel, Egypt. Do any members know where this is and the date?
There are other possible examples from around the world but I'll leave it here.... at least for now.
The cave entrance where they found all of the Egyptian artifacts and nothing to do with the Tall Whites is located at the junction of the Colorado River and the Little Colorado River on the north east side. The cave entrance is near the top of the canyon walls.
It was discovered by an explorer for the Smithsonian Institution (not Institute) in 1905. When he got to Kingman, AZ he was interviewed by the Kingman newspaper, I have a copy somewhere.
Any research of the gentleman comes up with nothing. No trace of him. His name is not among the employees of the Smithsonian for that period of time.
He said that the cave went back about 40 miles.
A few years later President Teddy Roosevelt went there himself to check it out and shortly thereafter declared the area a National Park.
If you drive way to the north and then travel south to the North Canyon Lodge you can take a cutoff to the edge of the canyon and look across and see the cave entrance.
I believe it is heavily guarded by the National Park and the Navahos. Probably another group also.
A friend of mine took a friend of his and climbed over the edge and almost made it the entrance. But his friend had diabetes and had forgotten his meds. When the situation became critical they had to call for help and after rescuing them the National Park Service told them to never ever come back.
My friend found shards of White House china and cutlery that Teddy Roosevelt had left after the party that he had held there.
I was going to make an attempt to access the cave but by then (15 years ago) I was already out of shape and it did require some rappelling so we never got it going.
Another expedition that I wanted to go on was to the north west of there about 70 miles making the descent south of Mt. Trumball. It required you be in excellent shape and the expedition was going to last 2 weeks. About 5 days in and 5 days out with 3 or 4 days on site. All kinds of cool cave marking with flying saucers and spacemen.
I believe Halls story and have read 3 of his books. I do believe that he exaggerated one or two of the stories about talking the F-105's into the base and the Boeing 707 landings. Indian Springs where I suspect all this happened was only about 5000 feet long.
I flew in there about 20 years ago when I was getting my Air Force checkout in the OV-10A with which we were going to monitor the underground nuke tests. My Air Force check pilot told my boss I was the best he had ever seen (brag, brag, brag, brag, brag). Old aviation farts tend to do that.)
I will post the Kingman story and the maps I drew for where I think the Tall White hangar entrance was.
I think I also have a map of where the cave entrance is where the Colorado and Little Colorado meet.
A friend of mine, Bill Hamilton, was abducted by Quaylar of the Tall Whites in 1989. I did the regression on him and it was really a cool story
I read about Mr. Hall and the Tall Whites at Viewzone magazine. I also watched some videos he did explaining his time with them. Found it interesting that he thought they considered him more like a 'pet'...Very strange story. 7 foot tall albinos playing roulette in Vegas?...wow...
Also I read about the caves in the Grand Canyon and something about giants entombed there...Can't remember where I read that but it might have been at Viewzone.....
Pretty cool stuf...
Quote from: johnlear on July 31, 2012, 05:36:31 PM
The cave entrance where they found all of the Egyptian artifacts and nothing to do with the Tall Whites is located at the junction of the Colorado River and the Little Colorado River on the north east side. The cave entrance is near the top of the canyon walls.
Do you mean the first few figurines in my post above? I thought they were found in Iraq?
P.S. I fixed those duff image links near the end of my post above. :)
This is all fascinating, John, and I rememeber a story I had read a while back about that fellow from the Smithsonian(supposedly)and how he had explored some of the cave system and had seen things that were very enlightening. If not downright frightening!
As to the similarities in the figurines posted by Pimander, its known that many correlations exist between the middle east and the American Southwest artifact wise...some of the amazing Zuni wall art and such appear to be tall robotic figures, like the ones Pim posted, while the Olmec fat boys are clear indicators of a link between African and Mexican societies occuring at some point in time.
So, John, do you think the ones who showed the Egyptians the wonders of our true origins were ever in the Southwest also?
Is it possible they went South after trying to establish bases in the Southwest US, and encountering underground dwelling lifeforms that didnt take too kindly to their interloping?
Seeing how the pyramids dont start up until Central Mexico, it would seem that they may have avoided the SW US for a valid reason.
Whoever controls that cave entrance, controls the truth to our past, just as Zahi Hawass controls the excavations at the Giza Complex, hiding what is there....a link between Egypt and the ancient Southwest.
Simply fascinating, John, and a thread on that cave would be most excellent!
Cheers!
Dave
Location of entrance to cave found by Smithsonian Institution explorer in 1905.
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Quote from: johnlear on July 31, 2012, 05:36:31 PM
I believe Halls story and have read 3 of his books. I do believe that he exaggerated one or two of the stories about talking the F-105's into the base and the Boeing 707 landings. Indian Springs where I suspect all this happened was only about 5000 feet long.
I flew in there about 20 years ago when I was getting my Air Force checkout in the OV-10A with which we were going to monitor the underground nuke tests. My Air Force check pilot told my boss I was the best he had ever seen (brag, brag, brag, brag, brag). Old aviation farts tend to do that.)
I will post the Kingman story and the maps I drew for where I think the Tall White hangar entrance was.
I think I also have a map of where the cave entrance is where the Colorado and Little Colorado meet.
A friend of mine, Bill Hamilton, was abducted by Quaylar of the Tall Whites in 1989. I did the regression on him and it was really a cool story
I'd be interested to hear more on a lot of the above, including the Hamilton story if you have a link.
I became aware of the Charles Hall story when I read an article in Nexus Magazine (2005 see attachment. I agree that he seems like a credible whistle blower. Apparently he has seen some pictures of the tall whites that looked like the real deal but he can't remember where.... I'm trying to find the interview right now.... Damn it! I think he said she was a farmers wife or something... That happens sometimes when I want to follow up! Note to self: Make notes when researching! lol
If anyone want to see the Nexus article I have a pdf available strictly for review purposes of course. PM me if any of you want to read it. ;)
P.S. Does anyone fancy doing a raid on that cave sometime? :o
I am trying to get through the material, Im watching the C.Hall video and so far I have not come across anything about the Grand Canyon...and its connection to what he is saying or on his website..But I think that I have seen something about some cave in the canyon.
If I can get around to studying all this...
I would certainly be interested if anyone was considering a Indiana Jones style adventure trip...
I need to buy my Hat and whip !
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P.S. Does anyone fancy doing a raid on that cave sometime?
Quote from: astr0144 on July 31, 2012, 07:21:56 PM
If I can get around to studying all this...
I would certainly be interested if anyone was considering a Indiana Jones style adventure trip...
How fit are you?
I'm probably adding confusion to the topic, but I thought the Tall Whites story and the Grand Canyon article were two different topics...I'm probably wrong about that...usually i am......
The topic about the Grand Canyon involved ancient Egyptians and artifacts discovered there, but I also thought some exploreres found giant skeltale remains there...??? anyone?..
It may depend upon what would be required in such a trip and when... :-\
If I had incentive and time to train...I would hope fit enough... :)
I have not got around to studying the connection of the C.Hall / Grand Canyon story and details of what would be involved..
I have been down the Canyon some years ago...down and up in a day !
and yes it almost killed me ... :o
Quote from: Pimander on July 31, 2012, 07:35:10 PM
How fit are you?
Quote from: Sgt.Rocknroll on July 31, 2012, 07:36:30 PM
I'm probably adding confusion to the topic, but I thought the Tall Whites story and the Grand Canyon article were two different topics...I'm probably wrong about that...usually i am......
The topic about the Grand Canyon involved ancient Egyptians and artifacts discovered there, but I also thought some exploreres found giant skeltale remains there...??? anyone?..
They are 2 different topis. I just posted the Grand Canyon stuff because somebody asked "Anybody know where it is? to the Egptian Artifacts. The cave in the Grand Canyon was full of Egyptian 'like' artifacts and 8 foot tall bodies (mummies).
Thks John, I was Just about to post this below ....
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Sgt...
So far I get the impression that you are right...
From what I have seen upto now on the C.Hall story and website, I don't see the connection with the Canyon....
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Quote from: Sgt.Rocknroll on July 31, 2012, 07:36:30 PM
I'm probably adding confusion to the topic, but I thought the Tall Whites story and the Grand Canyon article were two different topics...I'm probably wrong about that...usually i am......
The topic about the Grand Canyon involved ancient Egyptians and artifacts discovered there, but I also thought some exploreres found giant skeltale remains there...??? anyone?..
Quote from: astr0144 on July 31, 2012, 07:49:04 PM
It may depend upon what would be required in such a trip and when... :-\
If I had incentive and time to train...I would hope fit enough... :)
Well I'm unlikely to be in the States until next summer so there's time. I cycle a lot (80miles in 5 hours recently) so I reckon I'd be up to it.
Quote from: astr0144 on July 31, 2012, 08:07:49 PM
From what I have seen upto now on the C.Hall story and website, I don't see the connection with the Canyon....
The canyon connection was just that some artefacts (presumably like the ones I posted) were found there. They are 2 stories, the topic just digressed. John did say, "nothing to do with the tall whites," or something similar, when he mentioned it.
ETA: Doh! Sorry John, you already answered and I missed it. LOL
So far from what I have seen and from what I can gather just from scanning the website ( which I intend to study in much greater detail later )the Charles Hall story is no doubt fascinating...
It seems on Par with Bobs story and some of Johns.
The details are impressive and its great to think that these beings were maybe closer than one would think....
I am aware of someone who has been relatively close to that area and has witnessed a very Load Noise that he could not account for...cross between a animal noise and shouting man....and it freaked him out...
So I am amazed to hear what he said about them occupying that land..
What I wonder though...is if he worked at the base...I would had thought that he had sworn to secrecy...and not be expected to write books and do speaking events about it...without the US Gov on his back...
Here's a link on little somethin bout the 1909 gazette news clip of the egyptian cave. It also refers to canyons being called egyptian names in grand canyon. Curious why they would do that.
http://www.cyberspaceorbit.com/text/0000tx09x.html
Still not finished research as yet....
But IF I like what I find taking various things into consideration and think that I could make / cut it....I will let you know ...
If its a 2 week hard slog venture carrying pack in 100 degrees heat...
that may prove a bit too much...although IF I thought it was something really worthwhile...the desire may kick in...
wish I knew and was as keen on this some years ago.
If its a shorter trip...then would hope to be ok...
I am not as fit by far as I used to be :P ...but incentives of adventure do help to motivate training....
80 miles in 5 hrs seems fit enough I would think...
Quote from: Pimander on July 31, 2012, 08:38:32 PM
Well I'm unlikely to be in the States until next summer so there's time. I cycle a lot (80miles in 5 hours recently) so I reckon I'd be up to it.
Thanks for the Grand canyon Link Gigas ( or is that Kevin Spacy peering at us ) :-)
Also thanks for all the information sent by everyone on this thread...It has been very interesting reading so far...and very thought provoking.
Pimander...I will need to consider things further about if I would make any trip next year and let you know.
Quote from: astr0144 on July 31, 2012, 09:48:37 PM
Still not finished research as yet....
But IF I like what I find taking various things into consideration and think that I could make / cut it....I will let you know ...
If its a 2 week hard slog venture carrying pack in 100 degrees heat...
that may prove a bit too much...although IF I thought it was something really worthwhile...the desire may kick in...
wish I knew and was as keen on this some years ago.
If its a shorter trip...then would hope to be ok...
I am not as fit by far as I used to be :P ...but incentives of adventure do help to motivate training....
80 miles in 5 hrs seems fit enough I would think...
Charter a chopper to drop you near to the site....?
Quote from: astr0144 on August 01, 2012, 02:11:37 AM
It would require some detailed research and maybe an initial visit to weigh it up first before considering an abseiling to the cave....Id need to know how well it may be being observed and what security may be involved.
I think we talked enough here. If I manage to get over next summer, I'll start planning next year my itinery if you know what I mean.... PMs only from now on. ;)
That may be an option Cosmo...Thks for the suggestion.
I note your comments Pimander... .
Quote from: astr0144 on August 01, 2012, 02:11:37 AM
Thanks for the Grand canyon Link Gigas ( or is that Kevin Spacy peering at us ) :-)
Snip Snip
Those are the black penetrating eyes of Gigas.
(http://thelivingmoon.com/47john_lear/04images/Big_Pappy/IamGigas.jpg)
I thought that I had recognized those eyes somewhere before ! ???
I did not realise you had posted a photo of you and your friends . 8)
Now I am not sure which one we were looking at ...someone is wearing shades 8) so we can only guess ! :)
Quote from: Gigas on August 01, 2012, 02:56:12 AM
Those are the black penetrating eyes of Gigas.
Had a closer look at Johns Grand canyon maps of the cave locations and if you view it on google....and select to show photos...there is a picture of some caves...not sure if they are the same ones or not...
I also just found this....again not fully sure if this is the same or not...
I can see some info on the ISIS Temple that looks the shape of a pyramid that is mentioned in Gigas's article...that refers to 1909...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isis_Temple
BUT John refers to 1905...so they may be different caves....
Not sure if they are the same caves but both refer to the finding of Egyptian artifacts, mummies etc.. not read it all in detail to compare...but I dont think that the maps seem to compare....( from what John shows and what the article refers to )
but they are interesting links. It warns about the dangers of trying to enter the cave.
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/esp_orionzone_8.htm#inicio
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/esp_orionzone_9.htm
Make sure that you look at the link...
It shows images of what they believe was discovered in the cave..
Impressive !
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/esp_orionzone_8h.htm#The%20Original%20April%205,%201909%20Arizona%20Gazette%20article
I also wonder about the government allowing Mr Hall to write books and do lectures on this subject; although they probably think that most people would just think its gobblygook and only those on the fringe would be interested.
What a brilliant man he is, yet still spiritual; ofcourse his telling the truth. Why cant I meet a guy like this........ ::)
As much as I would love to meet a good ET I wouldnt willy nilly go exploring caves (if you managed to get into them at all) around there.
Noting that these tall whites value all their family beyond anything else and dont like to be touched or even gotten too close to I would be very careful if I were you. Just sayin.
There are a couple of points where I was scratching my head though.
The tall whites love their children more than we do, yet Mr Hall went to look for one and found her/him. Well, these tall whites can travel 25 times the speed of light right? You would think that on a different planet they would have something in place whereby they could monitor or find a missing child quickly. :o
They are also able to understand the concept of Mr Hall's God and this is one race of alien beings that didn't fall like we did. If that is the case and they can read our thoughts you would think they would think twice if they read our mind and saw that we were only trying to help, and not zap someone with thousands of vaults.
I mean if they understand the concept of God and were not a fallen race then wouldnt it follow they would only physically attack people they knew were trying to harm them and have some forethought to those who they knew weren't.
Hi Biggles....see comments below.
Quote from: biggles on August 01, 2012, 05:44:29 AM
I also wonder about the government allowing Mr Hall to write books and do lectures on this subject; although they probably think that most people would just think its gobblygook and only those on the fringe would be interested.
Well I am glad that it was not just me that considered these points.
What a brilliant man he is, yet still spiritual; of course his telling the truth. Why cant I meet a guy like this........ ::)
He appears to be somewhat an academic type and if he does have all those degrees...one wonders why he would want to make up a false story... Initially I questioned why would he only be a weather man with such qualifications...but it maybe his personality was selected as best suited to deal with such beings....
As much as I would love to meet a good ET I wouldnt willy nilly go exploring caves (if you managed to get into them at all) around there.
I am not sure if the Whites or any Aliens are supposed to guard the Canyon Caves. I was thinking that it was National Park / Indian tribe that may be monitoring it... I Think that the Whites are more around Nellis area...THATs assuming they are still there..Someone I know got within 10 to15 miles of that area within last 2 years....and claims they heard a very weird noise...I never new of this Tall whites story before
but who knows...it may had been them observing him.
Noting that these tall whites value all their family beyond anything else and dont like to be touched or even gotten too close to I would be very careful if I were you. Just sayin.
There are a couple of points where I was scratching my head though.
The tall whites love their children more than we do, yet Mr Hall went to look for one and found her/him. Well, these tall whites can travel 25 times the speed of light right? You would think that on a different planet they would have something in place whereby they could monitor or find a missing child quickly. :o
If they can read minds...maybe...or you would think that they had some way to monitor them....like even RFID chips or something more advanced...
They are also able to understand the concept of Mr Hall's God and this is one race of alien beings that didn't fall like we did. If that is the case and they can read our thoughts you would think they would think twice if they read our mind and saw that we were only trying to help, and not zap someone with thousands of vaults.
I agree !...One has to question that point ! seems rather strange..
I mean if they understand the concept of God and were not a fallen race then wouldnt it follow they would only physically attack people they knew were trying to harm them and have some forethought to those who they knew weren't.
I am not sure if they may be godly as such....but yes you would think that maybe that they would be more able to determine friend or enemy even based on thought / mind or body language reading...
or some other way...especially if they had been here some time...
Some of the story seems plausible..parts are difficult to determine.
He certainly seems to have gone into a lot of detail on his website especially with regards to Location. One would wonder if it was possible to spot their craft if they were up in the mountains with a powerful telescope !
I hiked down to the bottom of the Grand Canyon at the north rim... Of course I was like 10 years old. Not in any shape to do it now...but I'd be thrilled to take a helicopter ride!
This stuff gets My blood pumping, I tell You what!
Quote from: johnlear on July 31, 2012, 05:36:31 PM
I flew in there about 20 years ago when I was getting my Air Force checkout in the OV-10A with which we were going to monitor the underground nuke tests. My Air Force check pilot told my boss I was the best he had ever seen (brag, brag, brag, brag, brag). Old aviation farts tend to do that.)
A friend of mine, Bill Hamilton, was abducted by Quaylar of the Tall Whites in 1989. I did the regression on him and it was really a cool story
I just went to look up the OV-10A, very cool! For some reason I was expecting to see a push/pull engine.
I would love to hear the Bill Hamilton Story, very fascinating!
Dan, thanks for starting this thread, indeed this is one of my favorite stories. I believe the TV show on SYFY, Fact or faked: Paranormal Files, unknowingly corroborated Halls story. I thought you had that link here already Dan? Anyway, I appreciate your hours of research into Hall's story.
Using Google Earth, I found some entrances that I thought could be secret UFO hangars. On another forum, Zorgon told me he thought they were old mines. However, they seem to be active, and the latest satellite shows one of the doors now closed; however, it doesn't ;look like a door anymore, just part of the mountain. The reason I thought these entrances might be related to Hall's story is one entrance actually has a school bus near it like Hall mentioned.
Let's see if I can attach a couple of photos, hopefully I won't get this wrapped up around the axle ;)
Overview of Area 12:
(http://thelivingmoon.com/47john_lear/04images/Big_Pappy/Big_Pappy/7702086916_2d7d48593c_h.jpg)
3 way entrance:
(http://thelivingmoon.com/47john_lear/04images/Big_Pappy/Big_Pappy/7702088850_6ed7cae395_b.jpg)
3 Way Entrance detail, it almost looks like a Tall White standing there (LOL, my imagination, or...)
(http://thelivingmoon.com/47john_lear/04images/Big_Pappy/Big_Pappy/7702088514_b830304e16_b.jpg)
3 Way as of June 2012, note the left entrance is closed, but it looks disguised:
(http://thelivingmoon.com/47john_lear/04images/Big_Pappy/Big_Pappy/7702088296_b02a298b41_b.jpg)
School buss entrance:
(http://thelivingmoon.com/47john_lear/04images/Big_Pappy/Big_Pappy/7702086628_5b67c3d1ce_b.jpg)
School buss entrance June 2012:
(http://thelivingmoon.com/47john_lear/04images/Big_Pappy/Big_Pappy/7702087406_bcbdd95ac5_b.jpg)
Miscellaneous entrance:
NE of Area 51, 2 Entrances:
(http://thelivingmoon.com/47john_lear/04images/Big_Pappy/Big_Pappy//7702087578_debb66b5aa_b.jpg)
Primus awesome pictures I remember when you found those areas. That one area with the blue school bus and the 3 openings always reminded me of Bob Lazar because Lazar always said the bus was blue. I'm pretty sure that The Talls have a number of areas where they go in and out of the mountains. When I followed Halls map and found those 3 little scout craft I wondered is it possible they could be something else? I don't think so because their are no roads and its way up ion the mountains to the left of Old ranges 3 and 4.
John I will never forget on OMF when you had told me about The Tall White named Quaylar who abducted Bill Hamilton. I remember you had said it was on mailbox road near the mailbox and that would be there areas of travel without a doubt.
I'm going to show a detailed area where I believe the main Tall Whites entrance is and also if they want they can go right to the Alien Administration building at Area-51. This is so great talking in a forum with Lear again. Primus58 John has tons of great info and i think you could spend months reading his material and never once get bored!!
The show Fact or Faked which I posted on here:http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=332.0
This was posted when I was BigPappy51 is under the John Lear questions area. I will post what Primus and I believe was proof of The Tall Whites flying in at 10,000Mph into the region where The Talls main hanger is.
Charles has stated that they fly in on a full moon most of the time and that they come in at 10,000 Mph which is moving. The following video has stirred up some controversy before some claim its a shooting star. I think the video speaks for itself. Now I realize this is TV but the sequence of events that take place are very interesting. And I doubt that the people who produce this show could get the Commander of Area-51 to turn on all the runway lights and then shut them off.
So we start with the video I recommend you forward it to about the 7:15 mark.
Then we can begin to discuss what takes place in the video and how we think this was a Tall White Scout Craft coming in.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tTgvlo-8pU
Quote from: ShotInTheDark on August 03, 2012, 07:03:50 AM
The show Fact or Faked which I posted on here:http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=332.0
This was posted when I was BigPappy51 is under the John Lear questions area. I will post what Primus and I believe was proof of The Tall Whites flying in at 10,000Mph into the region where The Talls main hanger is.
Charles has stated that they fly in on a full moon most of the time and that they come in at 10,000 Mph which is moving. The following video has stirred up some controversy before some claim its a shooting star. I think the video speaks for itself. Now I realize this is TV but the sequence of events that take place are very interesting. And I doubt that the people who produce this show could get the Commander of Area-51 to turn on all the runway lights and then shut them off.
So we start with the video I recommend you forward it to about the 7:15 mark.
Then we can begin to discuss what takes place in the video and how we think this was a Tall White Scout Craft coming in.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tTgvlo-8pU
I saw that episode your talking about only a couple of nights ago on cable down here in oz.
The group is made up of experts and do a lot of experiments to discount whether something is fake or not. They weren't even going to try to prove or disprove that display, it was beyond them. :o
Interesting photos and posts about Area 12....
I was just trying to work out in more detail where Area 12 is in comparison to the various other Area numbers....
Just found this map and information...!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:USGS_NTS_detonations.png
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nevada_National_Security_Site
Quote from: astr0144 on August 04, 2012, 04:03:49 AM
Interesting photos and posts about Area 12....
I was just trying to work out in more detail where Area 12 is in comparison to the various other Area numbers....
Just found this map and information...!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:USGS_NTS_detonations.png
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nevada_National_Security_Site
Awesome find, thanks Astro0144! Here is another view showing Area 12 in relation to Area51:
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8429/7715189322_ebd7bbf5a8_b.jpg)
Im going to post where the Main Hanger entrance is. This location is where Hall gives his general area of location. As you will see there are roads from Are-51 to go right to this location. The way I found it was using the road from The Alien Administation Building which is located on the North East Side of Groom Dry Lake they have it blurred out. John Lear had shown me where the AA Building was a few years back on a different forum.
(http://i1183.photobucket.com/albums/x471/bigpappy51/GoogleEarth_Image-25.jpg)
Remember the Talls are in Communication with the very highest ranking Officers and CIA at Groom. I really think that the Talls are the main reason that Area-51 Groom Dry Lake was chosen for location. They have transferred technology to us I will get to that a little later. Eisenhower had met with The Talls in early 1950s at Holloman AFB.
In 1995 when the Govt. took Freedom Ridge and White Sides locations away from us to view Area-51 from. I believe this was more because of how close it was in location to The Tall Whites Entrance that I am showing you. Look at the area you can see they have camouflaged the entrance think about it Roads go right to this location have a look:
(http://i1183.photobucket.com/albums/x471/bigpappy51/GoogleEarth_Image-26.jpg)
Now an overhead view to show The Talls main entrance and how its can be driven to from Groom Lake Area-51.
(http://i1183.photobucket.com/albums/x471/bigpappy51/GoogleEarth_Image-27.jpg)
And another overhead so you can see where all these locations are. Everything written in red is what I have labeled.
(http://i1183.photobucket.com/albums/x471/bigpappy51/GoogleEarth_Image-28.jpg)
Now take a look at a map that Charles Hall had done. Compare this to the location i found its a match. Just like if you look at the purple pyramid at Old Range 4 called Scout Craft Resting Area is exactly where I found the 3 Scout craft on top of the mountain. Im telling everyone this case is provable to an extent. How could Hall know where these locations would be unless he was there? Also when he made this map you could not see these locations on Google Earth they were just a blur.
Picture Courtesy of : http://openseti.org/Hall.html
(http://openseti.org/images/Topo3.jpg)
More to come on Images and Locations of The Talls. I am extremely passionate about this story and I have a cool story that has to do with NASA and The Talls coming up. :)
Take a look at the next picture and notice the relationship between S-4 Papoose and The Main Tall Whites Hanger Entrance they are 100% parallel. Now with the underground tunnels and train systems this would come in handy if The Talls were helping at S-4. Its just a thought but location is everything. I wish I could have a week and a 4 wheel drive of my choice and a helicopter and was allowed to go over this whole area thats my dream!! 8)
(http://i1183.photobucket.com/albums/x471/bigpappy51/GoogleEarth_Image-29.jpg)
Primus58 and S.i.t.d ...
Thanks for the map updates...
Its good to see a more detailed comparison to S4 and Groom...
You are no doubt VERY passionate about this !
Ones mind would explode if they were allowed to investigate these areas in detail...!
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Its just a thought but location is everything. I wish I could have a week and a 4 wheel drive of my choice and a helicopter and was allowed to go over this whole area thats my dream!!
Quote from: astr0144 on August 06, 2012, 12:44:26 AMI wish I could have a week and a 4 wheel drive of my choice and a helicopter and was allowed to go over this whole area thats my dream!!
4 wheel drive maybe :D
ATV Quad better idea
Helicopter? BAD idea :P
(http://thejackalnews.com/articlevids/fake%20picture_1.jpg)
Maybe I should have said "Ones mind would explode if they were allowed to investigate these areas in detail...! IF doing so by helicopter ! :o :)
Quote from: zorgon on August 06, 2012, 01:19:57 AM
4 wheel drive maybe :D
ATV Quad better idea
Helicopter? BAD idea :P
Quote from: zorgon on August 06, 2012, 01:19:57 AM
4 wheel drive maybe :D
ATV Quad better idea
Helicopter? BAD idea :P
(http://thejackalnews.com/articlevids/fake%20picture_1.jpg)
This is if for some reason access would be given "A Dream." :D
And that 4x4 would have great Air Conditioning. An Ultralight would be real nice!!! You need something thats not real fast so you can take in detail.
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Primus58 and S.i.t.d ...
Thanks for the map updates...
Its good to see a more detailed comparison to S4 and Groom...
You are no doubt VERY passionate about this !
Ones mind would explode if they were allowed to investigate these areas in detail...!
You know S-4 is there. Theres a picture that a guy named Doc Searls took from an Airplane. Dan Diebler took video from a commercial flight of S-4 Papoose and Area-51
Video Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJiHOD9XgQ4
Now lets look at Doc Searls images. Heres his Flikr Account http://www.flickr.com/photos/docsearls/4882145526/in/photostream/
(http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4115/4882145526_cf7840a0e6_b.jpg)
Now in the above picture look at the detail I think there are 3 hanger doors or bays open at S-4 take a close look at this:
(http://i1183.photobucket.com/albums/x471/bigpappy51/Screenshot_17.jpg)
The Doc Searls pictures are the clearest images ever taken of Area-51 and S-4 from the West looking East look at his Flickr pics blow them up search around the mountains of Area-51 and Papoose!!
Yes, those photos are Excellent ! I would love to have experienced that view..
The conditions being so clear. I believe that any of us could take that flight that he took (I cannot recall the details where he flew to and from )...
Maybe Seattle to Phoenix AZ...or something similar...whether or not it passes over that same specific route each time may depend on weather conditions..and one would need good a camera... IF that is allowed these days as airlines have restricted certain things one can take on board..
I considered my next best option as Mount Sterling, but its 45 miles away from Papoose...it would have to be very clear to have much chance of seeing it...and a need of a good telescope and camera...
John says that google earth / maps have manipulated that area...which when you look closely you can see hes right.. as many places have google wrote when you zoom in..
I wish that it was possible to send in a mini drone with a camera...if such a thing could be powered say from the closest point one is allowed..
The want to know about this place no doubt is very much on ones mind...
Have you ever been aware of anyone personally who may had witnessed the Whites on the surrounding areas ? seen or heard them ?
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John says that google earth / maps have manipulated that area...which when you look closely you can see hes right.. as many places have google wrote when you zoom in..
Yes absolutely they control and manipulate what is seen. If you take a look on Google Earth right now in the areas where the Tall Whites are living you will see huge fake clouds with dark black shadows. I find that very strange and they appear very unnatural.
Also a point I will make I have a friend I've known since my High School days that tells me he worked on a Drone Project at the very North at the edge of the Papoose Dry lake. He was in The Air Force and was stationed at Creech AFB and they were launching Drones in the day time at Papoose. I never really got out of him what he had seen on the side of The Papoose Mountain but it was basically I can neither confirm or deny type of answer. Anyway there should be a little building he said at the North end of papoose Dry Lake this would had been the late 1990s.
Quote from: astr0144 on August 06, 2012, 03:13:04 AM
John says that google earth / maps have manipulated that area...which when you look closely you can see hes right.. as many places have google wrote when you zoom in..
I wish that it was possible to send in a mini drone with a camera...if such a thing could be powered say from the closest point one is allowed..
The want to know about this place no doubt is very much on ones mind...
Have you ever been aware of anyone personally who may had witnessed the Whites on the surrounding areas ? seen or heard them ?
I am not aware of anyone who has seen Tall Whites. One night ShotInTheDark (Dan) and I were checking out possible locations for parts of Hall's story, and Dan found a very interesting Hangar that is right where Hall observed activity. This sequence of screenshots verify exactly what John stated about the images being manipulated, it is clearly obvious. The first photos show no clouds, then, as you zoom in viola, clouds, freaky looking clouds with funky straight edges. Anyway, this is the hangar just south of the stabilization area... ok, we call it a hangar, it sure looks weird!
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8285/7722791024_f6d7d25bd3_z.jpg)
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8432/7722791480_9eb68d6772_c.jpg)
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8421/7722791200_01d65100f2_z.jpg)
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7280/7722792138_3d210d4f56_z.jpg)
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8427/7722833262_c4d581b45c_c.jpg)
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8290/7722792862_e3a8e49c57_z.jpg)
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8288/7722792638_ddc6517f75_b.jpg)
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8027/7722792396_0f85d4aa9a_z.jpg)
They must have at least a couple of guys full time working on covering up places and things with clouds etc. Their not even great clouds imho, look just like light paint blobs. ::)
Quote from: zorgon on August 06, 2012, 01:19:57 AM
4 wheel drive maybe :D
ATV Quad better idea
Helicopter? BAD idea :P
(http://thejackalnews.com/articlevids/fake%20picture_1.jpg)
ZORGON... LMAO! ;D
Quote from: biggles on August 06, 2012, 05:45:06 AM
They must have at least a couple of guys full time working on covering up places and things with clouds etc. Their not even great clouds imho, look just like light paint blobs. ::)
They don't always use clouds
American Nuclear Base in the Netherlands...
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/45jack_files/04images/Nuke_Sites/Volkel_001.png)
Russian ICBM launch facility now abandoned. I had a 'man on the ground' taking pictures :D
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/45jack_files/04images/Russian_Base/Hump_002.png)
Terra Server just uses the black box
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/45jack_files/04images/Russian_Base/Hump_001.png)
But Bing uses something sneaky and I would advise Google Hunters to bear this in mind CLONING
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/45jack_files/04images/Russian_Base/Hump_004.png)
Here are some examples from that Region
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/45jack_files/04images/Russian_Base/namnlsl.jpg)
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/45jack_files/04images/Russian_Base/pasted.png)
If you didn't know to look for it, you wouldn't know its there
OH BTW if your a sunbather... Smile your on Satellite Cam
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Earth/Google_Oddities/Sunbather_001.png)
Quote from: Primus58 on August 03, 2012, 04:52:44 AM
Using Google Earth, I found some entrances that I thought could be secret UFO hangars. On another forum, Zorgon told me he thought they were old mines. However, they seem to be active, and the latest satellite shows one of the doors now closed;
Don't recall ever seeing those pictures before... I would not have called those entrances mines.
And I am surprised I missed finding those :P Spent days snooping around on GE
Quote from: zorgon on August 06, 2012, 08:39:06 AM
Don't recall ever seeing those pictures before... I would not have called those entrances mines.
And I am surprised I missed finding those :P Spent days snooping around on GE
Primus58 and I spent a year off and on snooping around on Google Earth LOL!!!! What a life I would love to see the first Sasquatch caught on Google Earth!!
Quote from: ShotInTheDark on August 06, 2012, 09:36:34 AM
What a life I would love to see the first Sasquatch caught on Google Earth!!
You wouldn't find one :P GE doesn't see into dimensional portals
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Earth/Google_Oddities/UFO/Saucer_03.png)
::)
Quote from: zorgon on August 06, 2012, 10:15:27 AM
You wouldn't find one :P GE doesn't see into dimensional portals
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Earth/Google_Oddities/UFO/Saucer_03.png)
::)
What is that? Is this area 51?
Quote from: Primus58 on August 06, 2012, 10:55:57 AM
What is that? Is this area 51?
There is a theory that bigfoot come and go through portals right?
Im not quite sure what is going on yet but on Google Earth I was doing one of my searches in the Mountains between Dogbone Dry Lake and Old Range 3 and 4. I had found a new landing spot one I have never seen before and then all the sudden the whole block of Govt land blacked out!! Check it out:
New Landing area Its a perfecty Rectangle.
(http://i1183.photobucket.com/albums/x471/bigpappy51/GoogleEarth_Image-31.jpg)
Then as I was looking at another spot that looked suspicious with Fake Clouds on the mountians this happenned:
(http://i1183.photobucket.com/albums/x471/bigpappy51/GoogleEarth_Image-32.jpg)
Go to Area 51 on Google earth if any of you can and see if this happens to you. Maybe they dont like the images I've found and posted :-\
Quote from: ShotInTheDark on August 12, 2012, 10:39:49 PM
Im not quite sure what is going on yet but on Google Earth I was doing one of my searches in the Mountains between Dogbone Dry Lake and Old Range 3 and 4. I had found a new landing spot one I have never seen before and then all the sudden the whole block of Govt land blacked out!! Check it out:
{snip}
Go to Area 51 on Google earth if any of you can and see if this happens to you. Maybe they dont like the images I've found and posted :-\
This is the reason I won't post all my findings in public areas. In fact I hold back some things for ages. I'm not trying to be mysterious, the clues just dry up.
Maybe we should post material like that in more private areas of the site in future. Zorg, we need a quick chat about this if one of us can remember. :)
I had not initially read the posts in detail,
It is a bit tricky to check the exact details without spending a bit of time trying to pin point the Landing spot area..
But IF I do zoom in at the area above Dog Bone lake , I can see cloud... but it does not appear to be there if I zoom further out..
If this has occurred as you have described and in relation to what Pimander has said... It is somewhat concerning...
Has this just happened literally within a few days of your earlier posts ?
It is no doubt disturbing if Google or whoever is monitoring what is being said of some of the PRC threads...and no doubt makes us all a bit concerned on what to post...!
Maybe some parts should be made private if this is a possibility !
Now why would anyone be interested in what PRC has to say about the 'area'? ;) ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: A51Watcher on August 13, 2012, 07:34:36 PM
Now why would anyone be interested in what PRC has to say about the 'area'? ;) ;D ;D ;D
Which area? I dont know of any area! Just a regular forum here...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVtinv5LSnE
Love Wiggums..er...Obama...
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Google Earth is a resource hog, at times those blank spots hit me when my cache was maxed out; at least that's my take. I use CCleaner by Piriform. After a few hours of perusing Nevada in GE, I had over 100MB in cache; CCleaner cleans and speeds up performance, at lest it did for me. While ShotInTheDark saw blackout last night I was there seeing the original, permanent obfuscation done before the images were released to GE.
Making this thread private defeats the purpose of this thread in my opinion; besides, you can't hide it from 'them.' :)
Quote from: Pimander on August 13, 2012, 04:59:41 PM
This is the reason I won't post all my findings in public areas. In fact I hold back some things for ages. I'm not trying to be mysterious, the clues just dry up.
Maybe we should post material like that in more private areas of the site in future. Zorg, we need a quick chat about this if one of us can remember. :)
I sat one the pictures of the areas I found for 2 years. In fact Primus58 helped find some of these areas he can attest. The day that all the fake clouds with black shadows formed I knew I had to make a move. Now its public I felt as though I had to post them to preserve whats there now. I totally understand what your saying it took me a long time to make the decision of posting these images.
If you had photographic evidence that S-4 existed would you post it or sit on it?
S.I.T.D,
Can I just confirm...
This cloud cover on google maps has only JUST appeared since you made your recent posts in the last 1 to 2 weeks !
The images were not something that you copied some time ago and just posted recently then later on found that googles maps had added in the cloud cover..... that you had only taken a very recent screen shot before posting and at that time there was NO cloud cover...
and this has only been posted on P.R.C...not on any other forum like A.T.S or A.S...!
No, the clouds have been there! The cloud cover has been there for a couple of years. You don't see them until you zoom in closer. Google Earth has updated that whole area within the last year, as evidenced by the Three Entrance hangars I posted earlier in this thread, where a year ago 3 entrances were open and now one is closed and looks covered by dirt.
Thanks for making it clearer to me !..
I just wanted to fully check....
SW of Area 12, just up the hill from the 3 Way Entrance is another entrance going into the mountain. Notice the ground, the strange crack, it looks like a huge fake door; or it could be some cables or piping! Also, 3 more entrances near the school buss, south of the 3 way entrances.
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7275/7779555574_23d065b676_b.jpg)
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8307/7779610884_f5a677825b_b.jpg)
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8301/7779687084_eaea135d40_b.jpg)
Hi Primus,
My computer runs poorly at times when trying to scan the threads if I have too many webpages open...its hard to easily check things while running other things....At the moment I have fewer pages open...so Hopefully I can check things out better..If freezes up if google maps open as well at times. ( unless Im being monitored and my PC is being controlled as appears to do so when i look at this area at times..)
I am still a bit unclear..but hopefully can clear things on this post.
Re looking at the thread.....There are two different places...
I was referring to Cloud cover....as I thought in relation to Sitds post..
in message 57 ....S.i.t.d. refers to Dogbone Lake and old ranges 3 & 4...
in relation to Cloud Cover over the Whites Entrance...and he refers to Cloud Cover..
This is EAST of GROOM LAKE...
And you refer to Area 12 the 3 way entrances...
This is SOUTH West of Groom Lake...
Just North of what it says is Tonapah Test range near to Messa Road..
East of this are all the Bomb Craters from the Nuke tests...
Here I can see the entrances and there are NO Clouds blocking any view.
BUT I do understand that you refer to there only now being 2 open as one looks closed..
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S.i.t.d detail...message 57
Im not quite sure what is going on yet but on Google Earth I was doing one of my searches in the Mountains between Dogbone Dry Lake and Old Range 3 and 4. I had found a new landing spot one I have never seen before and then all the sudden the whole block of Govt land blacked out!! Check it out:
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Primus post details....
SW of Area 12, just up the hill from the 3 Way Entrance is another entrance going into the mountain.
Quote from: ShotInTheDark on August 14, 2012, 03:10:30 AM
If you had photographic evidence that S-4 existed would you post it or sit on it?
If I wasn't writing a book for commercial publication, then I'd get everything I could and then post. You did the right think IMO.
Quote from: Pimander on July 31, 2012, 07:12:44 PM
P.S. Does anyone fancy doing a raid on that cave sometime? :o
Greetings:
Just say when.
We was raised in them thar mountains in Western Colorado and are physically fit, have supplies, climbing gear and monster 4x4 Jeep Cherokee on new Chapparell 35's and are ready when you you are. ;)
Peace Love Light
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Liberty & Equality or Revolution
Quote from: COSMO on August 01, 2012, 02:21:13 AM
Charter a chopper to drop you near to the site....?
Greetings:
Or we could just HALO insert... ;)
to keep away from
Z's 'interlopers'... >:(
(http://i1073.photobucket.com/albums/w400/thorfourwinds/AntiNuke%20Graphics%20and%20Posters/fakepicture_1.jpg)
Peace Love Light
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Liberty & Equality or Revolution
For some reason, I've always felt that Hall was telling the truth. Nothing rational, at all. Just a gut feeling. That probably won't be worth much to some of you...but still.
Quote from: petrus4 on August 15, 2012, 12:22:19 PM
For some reason, I've always felt that Hall was telling the truth. Nothing rational, at all. Just a gut feeling. That probably won't be worth much to some of you...but still.
Dan (ShotInTheDark) has done extensive research on Charles Hall's story. Petrus4, I too trust gut feelings when I can see a person's face as they're talking, often people will reveal whether they are telling the truth or not in their micro-expressions, and I sensed Hall was telling the truth. Dan's research bolstered my belief in Hall's story. Also, in radio interviews I never heard any discrepancies in Hall's story. Hall won't get to certain answers because he wants you to buy his book, and I say good for him! Some people are disingenuous regarding their motives, Hall tells you, you want more, buy the book! We need money to live, and I have no problem supporting him.
Here is Jesse Randolph's (New Guard Network) 5 part interview with Charles Hall, which I found riveting:
http://www.youtube.com/user/NewGuardNetwork/videos?query=Charles+Hall+interview (http://www.youtube.com/user/NewGuardNetwork/videos?query=Charles+Hall+interview)
Quote from: A51Watcher on August 13, 2012, 07:34:36 PM
Now why would anyone be interested in what PRC has to say about the 'area'? ;) ;D ;D ;D
Depends what we have :P
(http://internet-turist.org.ua/sites/default/files/10_04.jpg?1285641832)
(http://internet-turist.org.ua/sites/default/files/09_12.jpg?1285641829)
(http://internet-turist.org.ua/sites/default/files/10_06.jpg?1285641833)
but then... I Know NOTHING about the last two 8)
And my gut feeling is they keep tabs on Zorgon, (not the whites) tptw cuz they know he doesn't care what pictures he puts up or what he says.
I guess he knows this though.
Quote from: astr0144 on August 14, 2012, 03:34:48 AM
S.I.T.D,
Can I just confirm...
This cloud cover on google maps has only JUST appeared since you made your recent posts in the last 1 to 2 weeks !
The images were not something that you copied some time ago and just posted recently then later on found that googles maps had added in the cloud cover..... that you had only taken a very recent screen shot before posting and at that time there was NO cloud cover...
and this has only been posted on P.R.C...not on any other forum like A.T.S or A.S...!
I had these images saved for several years before I posted them on any forum. Some of the pictures are new there are several pics that I have only posted on PRC. I had posted some of these pics on AS Forum the ones with the 3 white Oval Craft and the rectangle and just to the north the 2 more rectangles. Those Clouds and black shadows had shown up one day like out of nowhere. Thats was after I posted the pics on AS. I had all my material removed from AS because Admins hack your account and write things about you and I have absolute proof.
Now before I left AS forum I copied what I had posted on there about Hall on 5-6-2012 posted the Story on Universal Spectrum Forum. Scott Jordan that runs the forum and I were going to interview Charles Hall for Scott Jordans Spectrum Radio.
Scott Jordan had contacted Marie Hall Charles wife an interview date had been set. But a problem happened Edgar Fouche talked Scott Jordan into calling Charles Hall back and ask Hall to send proof he was in the Air Force and his DD-214 Document. I had no clue this was going on and I never would had allowed this to take place. Well guess what Halls wife was completely insulted and Hall has had others attack him on radio. Ed ruined interview before it took place. We were going to have a full 2 hour interview with Hall on skype!!
Capt David Coote had already checked into Charles Halls background and ever interviewed 2 or 3 gentleman who were enlisted with Hall. You know I cant find one person who will come forward and say he was in the Air Force with Edgar Fouche!! So how dare Ed manipulate Scott Jordan into calling back after an interview date was set and destroy the interview. Ed knew that Hall and his wife would be insulted and anyone who has studied Hall knows he has been looked into!!
I get heated this was my chance to talk to Hall. I used to post about Charles Hall back on The OMF Forum under John Lears Special Guest section. I absolutely think the story is 100% real !! I also find very interesting is that S-4 and The Main Hanger of The Talls are on the same Latitude.
Zorg !
GOT TO ASK YOU ABOUT THE LAST TWO !!!
ESPECIALLY THE MIDDLE SHOT....
VERY CLEAR ...DOESN'T LOOK LIKE GOOGLE MAPS !
AND I WONDER WHAT IS SEE OUTSIDE THE CAVE !
Quote from: astr0144 on August 16, 2012, 05:32:14 AM
Zorg !
GOT TO ASK YOU ABOUT THE LAST TWO !!!
ESPECIALLY THE MIDDLE SHOT....
VERY CLEAR ...DOESN'T LOOK LIKE GOOGLE MAPS !
AND I WONDER WHAT IS SEE OUTSIDE THE CAVE !
Yes can someone send me or post The Coordinates ? I want to see this area. Zorgon is this real or was it air brushed out. If real its amazing!!(http://internet-turist.org.ua/sites/default/files/09_12.jpg?1285641829)
Sitd..
Have you seen the shot John Posted in post 25
Look for the Plan View image showing the 350' DIA Saucer North East of Papoose.
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=883.15
I'm not sure whats going on but now I have no access to my photobucket account. Look on page one all my pics are gone I hope this is temporary. But I noticed everyone elses Photobucket is working ?? I have had some very strange things happen in the past 2 days!! Primus58 can verify this. Im hoping this is just maintenance like it says. :o
Well... that's the best image that I have seen so far.. of both an cave type entrance and a possible Saucer !...
If its a fake its a good one :o
Just about to post and noticed your last message..
Im not sure about Photobucket...But I can see images ok at the moment....
Will reply about your A.S post later or when I can...
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Quote from: ShotInTheDark on August 16, 2012, 05:38:52 AM
Yes can someone send me or post The Coordinates ? I want to see this area. Zorgon is this real or was it air brushed out. If real its amazing!!
(http://internet-turist.org.ua/sites/default/files/09_12.jpg?1285641829)
I can now see what you mean...
I was not sure what exactly Photobucket was...
If it was the actual images posted or if it was a place to store images.
But I have now noticed on the 1st reply where you posted on this thread..that on some of your initial posts...that where the images should be showing...that there is a message referring to Photobucket and that the image is down and that they are working on it...
yet some are still visible...
I have had some strange things happening as well...but Im not sure if its my computer or something else....It can be working ok and then seems to slow up or almost freeze up....
I had to close out and log back in again to post this...
Hope its nothing serious or some sort of targeting....
Will reply on other things later today if I can...
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Quote from: ShotInTheDark on August 16, 2012, 05:58:21 AM
I'm not sure whats going on but now I have no access to my photobucket account. Look on page one all my pics are gone I hope this is temporary. But I noticed everyone elses Photobucket is working ?? I have had some very strange things happen in the past 2 days!! Primus58 can verify this. Im hoping this is just maintenance like it says. :o
Quote from: astr0144 on August 16, 2012, 05:51:19 AM
Sitd..
Have you seen the shot John Posted in post 25
Look for the Plan View image showing the 350' DIA Saucer North East of Papoose.
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=883.15
Yes in fact I'm pretty sure that was a Russian Satellite photo that John Andrews President of Testors Corporation had obtained. I think that there is No Doubt its a UFO look at the detail of the craft. I have seen stories that it was a piece of dirt on the camera. Well i disagree remember this is a satellite image.
Did you ever hear about when the feds raided a Hobby show and took several new models Testors had put out? I believe these were new models they had produced that upset the Air Force 8)
John Lear was personal with John Andrews Im sure he knows the story it would be great for John to share a story with us but Lear is in high demand everywhere. Its a treat when he swings in for a post or 2 here and there. I love to hear what he says !!!! 8)
Quote from: ShotInTheDark on August 16, 2012, 05:28:57 AM
I get heated this was my chance to talk to Hall. I used to post about Charles Hall back on The OMF Forum under John Lears Special Guest section. I absolutely think the story is 100% real !! I also find very interesting is that S-4 and The Main Hanger of The Talls are on the same Latitude.
There might be an underground rail link that runs along that latitude. MAybe we should take a look what else runs along that line?
Quote from: ShotInTheDark on August 16, 2012, 05:58:21 AM
I'm not sure whats going on but now I have no access to my photobucket account. Look on page one all my pics are gone I hope this is temporary. But I noticed everyone elses Photobucket is working ?? I have had some very strange things happen in the past 2 days!! Primus58 can verify this. Im hoping this is just maintenance like it says. :o
If you used the same password on photobucket as other sites then you have probably been hacked. Did you use the same password on AS or anything like that?
Quote from: ShotInTheDark on August 16, 2012, 05:58:21 AM
I'm not sure whats going on but now I have no access to my photobucket account. Look on page one all my pics are gone I hope this is temporary. But I noticed everyone elses Photobucket is working ?? I have had some very strange things happen in the past 2 days!! Primus58 can verify this. Im hoping this is just maintenance like it says. :o
Greetings:
It appears that only ONE of your images is 'down' at this moment. :-[
We'll check back later for updates, as we, too, are experiencing computer 'anomalies.'
Keep up with the goods - we're grooving on every post. 8)
Peace Love Light
tfw (http://serve.mysmiley.net/animals/animal0028.gif) (//http://)
Liberty & Equality or Revolution
photbuckets up for me, hope you guys get it fixed soon:(
Dave
i may be up to exploring something.maybe by stealth if neccessary.halo sounds fine if the rich folks on here sponsor me.
See Comments below....
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Quote from: ShotInTheDark on August 16, 2012, 09:01:15 AM
Yes in fact I'm pretty sure that was a Russian Satellite photo that John Andrews President of Testors Corporation had obtained. I think that there is No Doubt its a UFO look at the detail of the craft. I have seen stories that it was a piece of dirt on the camera. Well i disagree remember this is a satellite image.
I recall various details of Russian Satellite photos...so that is interesting that this could be such a image...I was not aware of Testors Corp or John Andrews...or about the Fed raid...Thanks for educating me on it !
Did you ever hear about when the feds raided a Hobby show and took several new models Testors had put out? I believe these were new models they had produced that upset the Air Force 8)
John Lear was personal with John Andrews Im sure he knows the story it would be great for John to share a story with us but Lear is in high demand everywhere. Its a treat when he swings in for a post or 2 here and there. I love to hear what he says !!!! 8)
I agree, It would be great to listen to Johns stories...I would assume that He could write many books and do many recorded interviews that would be very informative , educational and interesting material in addition to what hes given us on P.R.C.
Quote from: ShotInTheDark on August 16, 2012, 05:28:57 AM
I had these images saved for several years before I posted them on any forum. Some of the pictures are new there are several pics that I have only posted on PRC. I had posted some of these pics on AS Forum the ones with the 3 white Oval Craft and the rectangle and just to the north the 2 more rectangles. Those Clouds and black shadows had shown up one day like out of nowhere. Thats was after I posted the pics on AS. I had all my material removed from AS because Admins hack your account and write things about you and I have absolute proof.
I am not as familiar with some of the more indepth issues on other forums... but I did join A.S and A.T.S a few weeks before I was invited to Join P.R.C.
I recall seeing some of your posts on Bob Lazar, but I did not notice the Charles Hall Tall Whites thread...as I got mainly interested in P.R.C..
If you posted the images on A.S and they got removed...then that is concerning...Not sure about Ed Fouche if he is legit or not !
Now before I left AS forum I copied what I had posted on there about Hall on 5-6-2012 posted the Story on Universal Spectrum Forum. Scott Jordan that runs the forum and I were going to interview Charles Hall for Scott Jordans Spectrum Radio.
Interesting ! Good that you had considered it and were able to attempt to contact him ! Was the Uni Spec Forum seperate from A.S or part of it ? I assume Scott ran a seperate forum....so I am not fully clear of Scott and Ed Fouches connection
Scott Jordan had contacted Marie Hall Charles wife an interview date had been set. But a problem happened Edgar Fouche talked Scott Jordan into calling Charles Hall back and ask Hall to send proof he was in the Air Force and his DD-214 Document. I had no clue this was going on and I never would had allowed this to take place. Well guess what Halls wife was completely insulted and Hall has had others attack him on radio. Ed ruined interview before it took place. We were going to have a full 2 hour interview with Hall on skype!!
Unfortunate and disappointing for you and all of us ! Did Ed have good reason to suggest this or not...reminds me maybe when they try to get Bob Lazar to prove his background..
Capt David Coote had already checked into Charles Halls background and ever interviewed 2 or 3 gentleman who were enlisted with Hall. You know I cant find one person who will come forward and say he was in the Air Force with Edgar Fouche!! So how dare Ed manipulate Scott Jordan into calling back after an interview date was set and destroy the interview. Ed knew that Hall and his wife would be insulted and anyone who has studied Hall knows he has been looked into!!
I would had assumed that it would had been easy to Prove that Charles Hall had been in the A.F or that Ed Fouche would have known with certainty...IF Ed Fouche did not...then I maybe understand him asking ...but at the same time if he interveined and destroyed the chance of the interview...maybe knowingly...then this does seem wrong.
I can only assume that if he for what ever reason did not know...that if it was in connection with his forum...then this was a condition that he requested...
I get heated this was my chance to talk to Hall. I used to post about Charles Hall back on The OMF Forum under John Lears Special Guest section. I absolutely think the story is 100% real !! I also find very interesting is that S-4 and The Main Hanger of The Talls are on the same Latitude.
Unfortunately I never got around to reading those posts on OMF as I had only joined a few weeks before it closed...
But this is a good story and if you have researched to try or have managed to find some proof...then that is no doubt worth while..
Charles Hall seems legit...and if not one would wonder why if would tell tales..considering his backgound and qualifications....
BUt at the same time...I myself would have to ask why he would risk spilling the story...and would have believed that he would had been chosen as someone who was trusted not to do so.and would had signed an agreement not to release such information openly..
Again you would think he was at high risk in doing so.
Ok check this out as I stated the other day. I had found a new landing site between the mountains to the west of DogBone Lake and Old Ranges 3 and 4 North of Indian Springs AFB.
After I found this area this is what happenned to my Google Earth Now Notice the shape
(http://i1183.photobucket.com/albums/x471/bigpappy51/GoogleEarth_Image-32.jpg)
Now take a look at the Govt Block of Land that Area-51 and all these other locations are on its identical I mean look:
(http://openseti.org/images/mqmapgend1.gif)
Now my friend Primus58 and I tried all kinds of different ways the get rid of the blacked out area. He was just as puzzled as I was. What are the odds of a Glitch to be the same shape as the Govt Block of land.??
If you look at post # 57 this is what I had found right before the black out!!
(http://i1183.photobucket.com/albums/x471/bigpappy51/GoogleEarth_Image-31.jpg)
Also right now certain images are down on Photobucket.
Glad that you can still make some images in your posts...but I can see that some are still missing...Hope that you can find out what happened or if you were hacked and rectify things...that is concerning indeed...
Now you refer to Google Earth...I can see the black out on your image in comparison to the NTS / Nellis range map..
BUT this has not been blacked on Google Maps..
I have not checked my google earth since you posted this thread..but it was working ok around Area 51 last time I looked a few months ago.
I can see google earth offered on googles map page...BUT I thought you needed to download G.E....or can you see it direct online now without download...and IF so...I wonder if they varies between the old download and a online direct usable edition...( if this is now the case)..
I took a copy of some of your images just incase they disappear again..!
On the Hillside entrances...These would be hidden from anyone looking from the South if say one had a powerful telescope observing from Mount Charleston ...maybe 30 to 45 miles away...But on a 45 magification...it would only seem a mile away...and you maybe able to see enough detail..
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After I found this area this is what happenned to my Google Earth Now Notice the shape
Just to Confirm to you..........
I tried the Google maps google earth online option, but It says I need a plug in for it to work...
So I just tried my downloaded version which has been updated to 2012..
and I do not see any large blacked out section where the NTS and Nellis ranges are like you seem to be suggesting in your screenshot...
I can see all the area....and its similar to what I can see with google Maps...
except I can view things from any angle...
I looked at Dogbone lake where the Whites entrances may be...and I do get all the same cloud cover as is also shown on google maps when one zooms in....
SO..CAN YOU can only see a blacked out area no matter how much you zoom in or out over this area ? IF so...Is this on a downloaded version or online version ? Can / Have you tried the online version or if so have you tried the download version..
IF so and it occurrs on both...IF you have another computer, can you try a new download ?
It seems incredibly strange if its just you that has this problem !!!
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Ok check this out as I stated the other day. I had found a new landing site between the mountains to the west of DogBone Lake and Old Ranges 3 and 4 North of Indian Springs AFB.
After I found this area this is what happenned to my Google Earth Now Notice the shape
Now take a look at the Govt Block of Land that Area-51 and all these other locations are on its identical I mean look:
Yes I have the latest Google Earth. This computer I have is an absolute beast its ony 5 months old I clean it completely once every couple weeks never ever had a problem before. I can show you pics where I have zoomed completely out and its still black. I have removed the Pin needles and its still black. Primus and I went through this a couple nights ago and he was puzzled as much as myself it actually is bothering me right now. I have not even tried GE today.
I'm leaving it alone for a day or so, I had run my paid for Registry Mechanic and cleaned out my PC went to GE yesterday and as soon as I started to zoom in near Dogbone it went black again. In the same shape as The Govt Map I find it very strange. Was I on to something? Don't know. I would like to say that I love this forum and I'm so glad to have the friends I do on here I love posting. We are here to find the truth and at the same time we all have each others back like one Big Family. I'm very happy Astro144 that you have copied pics that's cool.
I have finally been able to get in my Photobucket account i made some changes in case it was hacked. If this keeps up we will figure another way to post the photos I think its important that we stick together and keep this important story going.
Quote from: ShotInTheDark on August 17, 2012, 07:32:57 AM
In the same shape as The Govt Map I find it very strange.
Sounds like you have an overlay problem if the glitch is same shape as that map.
you might want to check your GE saved preferences in the options boxes on the left
I get the same blacked out area in my GE. I'm not at home to check it now but iirc the blacked out section appears from the late 2010 maps onwards in the time slider.
A little OT but its quite interesting to move the time slider all the way back to the first map and single click all the way to the latest map. I've been thinking of a way to hook into the API to automatically click and take a screen grab with processing but not too sure if its possible as the code I have found is a bit dated.
http://processing.org/
Sorry for getting off the topic of tall whites.. fascinating indeed :)
what i dont understand is why dont the russians and chinese dont share their intel with us.i would think there would be no way to hide anything.we really could use a third party satellite.
Might check this out..google earth area 51..will try to attach this image.
Quote from: robomont on August 17, 2012, 11:25:38 AM
what i dont understand is why dont the russians and chinese dont share their intel with us.i would think there would be no way to hide anything.we really could use a third party satellite.
I would think our Govt has been using State of The Art Holographic Projections over the most sensitive areas. S-4 would be one of the top most sensitive areas there is. I have always thought its protected by Holographic Generators. Also our Govt has a pretty good idea of when our enemies satellites are flying overhead. I would think that Holographic generators have been the way to go and they are still using them today.
Hi Dan,
Still have thoughts on your thread..
Just wondered if you thought that there may be some similarity in the link shown below in terms of UFOs coming and going from a mountain side ?
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=3000.msg42034;topicseen#new
Quote from: astr0144 on October 17, 2012, 01:02:17 AM
Hi Dan,
Still have thoughts on your thread..
Just wondered if you thought that there may be some similarity in the link shown below in terms of UFOs coming and going from a mountain side ?
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=3000.msg42034;topicseen#new
First off I'm so grateful that the forum is back up and running I was worried. Hello astro0144 that first UFO under Nightvision is a classic shaped Tall White Craft. Washington State is an area full of UFOs always been goes back to the day the phrase Flying Saucer was coined by Kenneth Arnold and his sightings around Mt Adams and Mt Rainier.
At 6:40 of the video I'm amazed that is a classic Tall White craft classic the line is a Laser pointer aiming at the craft a number of people you can hear are watching this craft.
(http://i1183.photobucket.com/albums/x471/bigpappy51/TallsNightVision.jpg)
Then at 7:38 The side of the mountain lights up amazing, James says its a doorway to the inner earth.
(http://i1183.photobucket.com/albums/x471/bigpappy51/Screenshot_40-1.jpg)
Here are 2 screen shots of the craft without Nightvision The first is in my opinion looks exactly like a Tall White Craft
(http://i1183.photobucket.com/albums/x471/bigpappy51/Screenshot_41.png)
Now the 2nd screen shot is zoomed in a bit and looks a little distorted which is normal.
(http://i1183.photobucket.com/albums/x471/bigpappy51/Screenshot_42.png)
I think its very possible that The Talls love to occupy Mountains its already a natural structure they would just hollow out the areas they need and go as deep in the ground as they want. This to me is absolutely amazing astro0144 thank you so much.
Imagine whats in the Grand Canyon areas ? John Lear had posted some material i think at the beginning of this thread about the caved and bases that are at The Grand Canyons. I love talking about The Tall Whites I have had many dreams about them all though Im not so sure they were all dreams because of the reality of the situation.
In my opinion there no way James Gilliand is hoaxing this event. There were many others there at the time filming the same craft. I didn't see any type of navigational flashing lights which tells me these were solid UFOs. Also most of my hippie friends dont lie they are all about Love and good times. 8) 8) 8)
Hi Dan,
I appreciate your feedback and comments....
Very interesting what you have said and what you think..along with the photos that you have posted...
I agree that the video footage does appear for real and the photos you have shown seem similar to the craft images that you initially shown in the Area51 story...
IF what you say proved to be correct...There are a few things to consider when comparing to the Area 51 Tall Whites...
I was led to believe that they like warm climates....would the higher mountains in Washington state compare ? or maybe they move there in Summer in warmer times of the year...
I may have something else to add later from a UFO TV program that I watched recently that showed an image that reminded me of the tall white Alien that someone had claimed to have witnessed, if I can find the details...
Dan, so good to see you posting again! After some previous encounters with people, Charles Hall probably wouldn't want any further contact; however, I think it would be awesome if we could get him to corroborate some of these pictures, and to hear more of the story from him. When I listened to him speak, Hall never came across as a B.S. artist, in fact he seemed humble and very 'matter-of-fact.'
It would be cool if he were on this forum, or at least visited! That or a disaster if the PTB decided to intervene.
Thanks for the great post, all the best to you!
Woody
Quote from: ShotInTheDark on October 18, 2012, 06:57:32 PM
In my opinion there no way James Gilliand is hoaxing this event. There were many others there at the time filming the same craft. I didn't see any type of navigational flashing lights which tells me these were solid UFOs. Also most of my hippie friends dont lie they are all about Love and good times. 8) 8) 8)
Whether Gilliand is hoaxing or not, the number of people who film a light have no bearing whatsoever on what the source of the light is. There are so many things in the sky that do not have standard navigation lights as I'm sure you know.
Yes, they are UFOs. They are
Unidentified Flying Objects. Nothing more or less at this point.
When I see people keen to claim aliens when there is no evidence that it is, I normally make a quiet not to myself.
1. Who is making the claim.
2. What did they do at Kirtland AFB to cover up research when someone saw stuff? (Fantasy alien base at Dulce, Cattle mutilations falsely blamed on aliens, Paul Bennowitz and AFOSI disinfo.)
Another guy out in the wilderness getting the Bennowitz treatment? Quite possibly. Not saying it definitely is but could very easily be.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvsQQJoG1gY
If I was a counter intelligence disinformation specialist trying to cover covert operations and somebody spotted something out there, what would I do? Are you easy meat for these guys, or am I the crazy big bad wolf.
AND DO NOT ACCUSE ME OF BEING SOMEONE WHO DOES NOT WANT PROOF OF ALIEN PRESENCE. I ALSO KNOW FOR A FACT THAT THERE ARE NON-CONVENTIONAL CRAFT ARE KNOCKING AROUND AS I AM A CLOSE UP WITNESS.
Quote from: Pimander on October 19, 2012, 12:34:29 PM
AND DO NOT ACCUSE ME OF BEING SOMEONE WHO DOES NOT WANT PROOF OF ALIEN PRESENCE. I ALSO KNOW FOR A FACT THAT THERE ARE NON-CONVENTIONAL CRAFT ARE KNOCKING AROUND AS I AM A CLOSE UP WITNESS.
Very Interesting could you please explain your experience ? I have never heard it before. Thanks SITD 8)
Now Pimander you do always want proof of ET and so on. If you have been a witness to unconventional craft, unless it is remote controlled someone has to be operating it.
:D
Thing about Gilliand's ranch is that anyone can go visit and see the critters themselves :D
At least until the activity stops like it did at Skinwalker ranch
Quote from: biggles on October 27, 2012, 07:58:16 AM
Now Pimander you do always want proof of ET and so on. If you have been a witness to unconventional craft, unless it is remote controlled someone has to be operating it.
:D
Do I really need to answer that? Yes somebody is likely to have been operating it, unless it is self navigating. Who though?
Quote from: zorgon on October 27, 2012, 08:21:48 AM
Thing about Gilliand's ranch is that anyone can go visit and see the critters themselves :D
At least until the activity stops like it did at Skinwalker ranch
Unless Skinwalker was hoaxed by some Aviary boys. :P lol.
P.S. Send me a ticket across the pond and you have a scientist on site. :)
Quote from: zorgon on October 27, 2012, 08:21:48 AM
Thing about Gilliand's ranch is that anyone can go visit and see the critters themselves :D
At least until the activity stops like it did at Skinwalker ranch
Exactly right you can go visit James at the ranch and see the ET craft up close, not the critters, the craft. ::)
James is able to interact with them and know when they are coming even down to the time.
Well, you got me there, never heard of the skinwalker ranch. :P
Quote from: zorgon on October 27, 2012, 08:21:48 AM
Thing about Gilliand's ranch is that anyone can go visit and see the critters themselves :D
At least until the activity stops like it did at Skinwalker ranch
Zorgon you have made the point i was trying to convey. Anyone can and have filmed UFOs flying around the ranch. And these are not bugs or birds we have multiple people filming the same craft.
The craft that Astr0144 had posted I thought was amazing. It had a steady flight pattern seemed intelligently controlled was not blown around by the wind like a balloon and was completely illuminated where the sky is pitch black. The remote mountain locations have a rich history of UFOs and ET experiences. I think The stills from the video show great detail and I really was shocked by the alleged door opening on the mountain itself . First thing I thought was Dulce, and The Tall Whites. :) :) :)
As far as Skinwalker Ranch goes George Knapp spent great amount of time there investigating Paranormal phenomenon which he and other witnesses had seen. Are all these people lying unlikely.
We all have different opinions in many areas. My great friend Woody and I believe 100% in Sasquatch as The Native Americans called them now for centuries better known across the world as BigFoot. Theres possible DNA coming back right now as we speak.
We have have Latent Print expert Jimmy Chillcut who happens to be probably the leading expert in the country on Primate prints and Human prints. He went out to debunk the claims of Bigfoot
witnesses and foot castings and was absolutely shocked and came to the exact opposite conclusion that yes they are real.
Please Watch: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJqCsPccRpk
Now in a court of law this man has put many criminals away for life in prison because of his testimony. He is highly regarded as one of the best by the FBI The DEA you name it. But even though The Dermal Ridges hes identified on many casts show up over and over which are different then a humans people just don't care and think its all BS well its not in my opinion.
My whole point is even if evidence is staring us right in the face most people don't believe it why? I really think when we finally get that real video of a ship with an ET getting in and out of the craft from a Smart Phone or what ever device its recorded from with 50 witnesses and its going to happen. The event will be considered a Hoax "CGI" because to myself UFO Hoaxers are the worst of the worst. And YouTube is plagued with fake videos I used to watch 100s of videos a month and gave up for a long time because of the fake videos. 8)
Yup, "photographic evidence" is now an oxymoron. Thank you, Photoshop.
Quote from: ShotInTheDark on October 27, 2012, 04:28:09 PM
First thing I thought was Dulce, and The Tall Whites. :) :) :)
The first thing I think of when Dulce comes up is disinformation. At every step of the way - whether there is a DUMB in the area or not!
John was "wrong" to promote that total nonsense, in my not especially humble opinion.
Quote from: ShotInTheDark on October 27, 2012, 04:28:09 PM
As far as Skinwalker Ranch goes George Knapp spent great amount of time there investigating Paranormal phenomenon which he and other witnesses had seen. Are all these people lying unlikely.
There were people involved with the Skinwalker Ranch investigation who are hardly squeaky clean I'm afraid. I agree there was something going on there but perhaps not what is generally imagined. Perhaps I should put everything I have discovered so far on this site, but then again do I want the clues to dry up or disappear from the web? Not yet. :)
Quote from: ShotInTheDark on October 27, 2012, 04:28:09 PM
We all have different opinions in many areas. My great friend Woody and I believe 100% in Sasquatch as The Native Americans called them now for centuries better known across the world as BigFoot.
Yep, there may be something to it but its illusive quality suggests something Vallee-esque (like some real alien material also is) not just some hairy dudes hiding. ;)
Quote from: ShotInTheDark on October 27, 2012, 04:28:09 PM
My whole point is even if evidence is staring us right in the face most people don't believe it why?
Because the evidence that is staring me in the face is that if certain figures and organisations are promoting this material it is not what it appears to be.
Quote from: ShotInTheDark on October 27, 2012, 04:28:09 PMI really think when we finally get that real video of a ship with an ET getting in and out of the craft from a Smart Phone or what ever device its recorded from with 50 witnesses and its going to happen. The event will be considered a Hoax "CGI" because to myself UFO Hoaxers are the worst of the worst. And YouTube is plagued with fake videos I used to watch 100s of videos a month and gave up for a long time because of the fake videos. 8)
It isn't likely to happen because whoever the "watchers" are, they are clearly not being that open about their presence. Think about it.
Also most of the so called UFO evidence is disinformation, exaggeration, misidentification or attention seeking lies. Most of the best public domain evidence is largely ignored by the media and on conspiracy sites.
Quote from: Pimander on October 27, 2012, 08:44:45 PM
The first thing I think of when Dulce comes up is disinformation. At every step of the way - whether there is a DUMB in the area or not!
John was "wrong" to promote that total nonsense, in my not especially humble opinion.
Pimander have you ever confronted John Lear on Dulce ? What about Gabe Valdez testimony I know hes passed on a year ago. What about the testimony of all the native Americans who have witnessed craft certainly they are not part of a disinformation campaign ? Pimander Could you expand on your disbelief in Dulce ?? 8) 8)
John released the "Dulce Papers". John also interviewed people involved (with Linda Moulton-Howe) and also knew and stayed with Bennewitz. John used to say he believe in the existence of the alien base. However, the story is a cover for probably two, if not three things.
Where do I start?
Lights in the sky are not proof of the presence of an underground base populated by Greys who feed on human body parts. Surely, before I go any further, that must be obvious. Right?
I'm not sure how familiar you are with counter intelligence but I suspect you are far from completely ignorant. ???
Gebe Valdez probably found a crashed nuclear device or other test craft on the mesa. Aliens stories might throw attention away from that.
Bennewitz detected something from the Kirtland base. He was fed disinfo to distract him and the UFO community from it. It may have something to do with high energy weapons in the area.
Bennewitz MAY HAVE filmed UFOs over the Manzano weapons storage facility. I have never seen this film though and am beginning to doubt it exists despite alleged stills from the film being published recently. The disinfo would also discredit this part of the story if it were true.
The whole thing has AFOSI's fingerprints all over it. Look into Rick Doty and his involvement. Look into Bill Moore. Look into the Aviary. John Alexander (Army Intelligence) is also linked to this.
The whole cattle mutilation associated with aliens was also disinformation. People were testing the after effects of nuclear weapons tests using cattle. They were doing this in secret in early stealth helicopters to get to the cattle covertly and the alien thing was again a cover. Linking the two stories was useful to AFOSI. Rick Doty (AFOSI special agent) met with Linda Moulton-Howe, at Kirtland AFB when she was investigating the story. Why would an AFOSI Special Agent HELP AN INVESTIGATIVE REPORTER FIND OUT ABOUT ALIENS IF THEY WERE COVERING IT UP? Think about it.... ::)
Notice a pattern yet? Well I have.
I will one day write more extensively on all this. My research is ongoing. but the Alien Dulce base is BS. John may have been deceived or he may know this - I don't know. If he really believes it, then in my opinion he is wrong. Completely wrong.
On the other hand, John knows more than he has publicly disseminated. But I am in no position to say what I think he has. And yes, I will have to contact John regarding this because even if we do not agree, he has material in his collection that is crucial to a project I am working on related to this subject.
Pimander heres some stills from The 8mm film Paul filmed (http://www.ufohastings.com/files/image/2012-05-13/bennewitz_01.thumbnail.jpg)
Now this is on grainy 8 mm film but it certainly reminds me of what Area51Watcher has filmed at S-4
On a side note yes I'm familiar with Rick Doty and alot of other people. I'm sure that John Lear was absolutely on to something very very big when he and Linda Howe went to Dulce and John was on The Local cable Public Cable Channel talking with George Knapp about Dulce. I think The Govt wanted Lear away from Dulce this was back in the mid 1980s pre Bob Lazar.
Lets hear what John Lear had to say on UFO Hunters a few yrs back on Dulce I'm sure he hasn't changed his mind on any of this material.
John Comes on at about 8:12 of the following video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xfnwnDJf5k
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwryoY-Knio
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFAafLhDT7M
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euhT3VbtWz8
Now we have a number of different individuals testimonies here. Something is going on In Dulce. I'm not so sure its in The Archuleta Mesa though. I would love to here what John has to say on Dulce. And Pimander whats your thoughts of the testimonies on this particular episode of UFO Hunters ?
A51Watcher and I are already following this up. ;)
No, they are alleged stills. I have contacted the author of the book to look into this. How do we know what those stills are? They are supposedly stills of Bennewitz movie right? Well I contacted the author to find out essentially where the movie is. If he doesn't know, then how does he know they are stills from it?
The author (Chris Lambright) replied immediately to my initial enquiry but then backed off and ignored me as soon as I ask specific questions. Why? You tell me.
Lambright also knew Bennewitz. In what capacity he met him is of interest to me too. I will follow up of course. I'm not sure what your opinion of me is but you may well be underestimating me.
Nearly forgot, I suspect there may have been underground nuclear tests in the Dulce area. :o
NIDS also reported that the Cattle mutialtions were related to BSE (cattle brain disease). I believe GebeValdez also worked with NIDS (National Institute for Discovery Science). NIDS also had (now defunct officially) some "interesting" characters involved with it.
Alternative name for NIDS: Nevada Intelligence Disinformation School. :P
QuoteWe hypothesize that animal mutilations represent both a TSE-disease sampling
operation on domestic animals AND a graphic warning that the beef and venison food chain is compromised.
Overall, the evidence suggests that animal mutilations are a long-term, covert, prion
disease sampling operation by unknown perpetrators who are aware of a substantial
contamination of the beef and venison food supply. Although this paper presents evidence in favor of a motive for animal mutilations, there is still insufficient evidence to identify the perpetrators.
SOURCE: http://www.lostartsmedia.com/images/cattledeaths_tse_epidemic.pdf
Again though, the link with mutilations suggests a sampling survey and not aliens. For me Valdez has also possibly been led up the garden path or may have been recruited for disinformation purposes.
This may be a coincidence but John Lear knew Gebe Valdez who died recently for 39 years (so knew him long before all of this and in fact before I was born.)
More names to look into and link with. CB Scott Jones (Naval Intel). John Mack. Stubbledine. John Alexander (Army Intel, AGAIN). Philip Corso. Edward Teller.
(http://johnbalexander.com/yahoo_site_admin/assets/images/Hal__Teller_001.199212441_std.jpg)
John Alexander, Philip Corso and Edward Teller do lunch at Alexanders. Interesting conversation no doubt.
(http://johnbalexander.com/yahoo_site_admin/assets/images/X20conf20111.203134000_std.jpg)
That guy Alexander gets around a bit. Here he is with Scott Jones and Edgar Mitchell.(http://johnbalexander.com/yahoo_site_admin/assets/images/John_Mack_001.210173213_std.jpg)
Here he is with John Mack(http://johnbalexander.com/yahoo_site_admin/assets/images/Puthoff_001.215144239_std.jpg)
With Hal Puthoff
(http://johnbalexander.com/yahoo_site_admin/assets/images/Corso_001.2293147_std.jpg)
George Knapp and Hal Puthoff.Stan Freidmand, COL Bill Coleman, former Chief of Public Information, USAF (2010); Bruce Maccabee, Nick Pope, the Krippners, Michael Hesemann, Jeff Mishlove, Raymond Moody, Jack Houck, Ken Ring, Colm Kelleher, Rustum Roy, Joe Firmage, Steve Vai, Robert Knight, Jack Sarfatti, COL Bob Friend, Richard Dolan, Jim Marrs, Linda Moulten Howe, Kevin Reyerson, Anne Gehman, Mel Morse, Andrew Weil, Phil Corso, George Knapp, Steven Seagal, MG Bert Stubblebine, Brian O'leary, Bob Wood, Ron Pandolfi, Scott Rosenberg, & Ron Wheelock.... http://johnbalexander.com/ufophenomenology
And he says Dulce is BS. He should know. Question is: Could he be lying?
With MJ12 and "the aviary", a new claim was made, this time involving a "UFO Working Group". The claim was made in a book by Howard Blum, who had the bad luck to be published in the fall-out of the Moore affaire. As a consequence, his book got a far more sceptical review than most other books, specifically those who had made far bigger claims, had received.
The head of the UFO Working Group was given the name "Col. Howard Phillips". In truth, it was Col. John Alexander (Penguin), the former director of non-lethal weapons testing at Los Alamos National Laboratories in New Mexico. Alexander had been one of the birds on Moore's list, and it seems that the UFO Working Group was just the latest "incarnation" of the Aviary.
Jacques Vallee commented that "the Colonel Phillips [John Alexander] secret group is not the real secret group. It is only the latest carrot dangled in front of a public always eager for new revelations... There is clearly an endless supply of such stories, and they are always volunteered to people who are prone to believing them but have no ability to check them."
Many of UFO Working Group, turned Aviary, went on to become members of the National Institute of Discovery Sciences (NIDS), started up by Nevada billionaire Robert M. Bigalow. Bigalow is donating his money in an effort to better understand the UFO mystery. Apparently.
Bennewitz died on June 23, 2003, at the age of 75. It seems that a campaign, specifically directed towards him, then mushroomed into a public campaign, to make – specifically the American – public believe aliens were here and the government was working with the aliens. Bennewitz's price was a mental breakdown, but as soon as he had been able to remove UFOs from his life afterwards – shielded from it by his family – he apparently seems to have led quite a happy life, especially when compared with the life he led between 1980 ad 1988. Bennewitz can be seen as a martyr, and in that role he should perhaps be an inspiration to many: to realise that many of the major themes in the UFO community, from aliens in residence in Area 51 to crashed ET spacecraft, is worthy of study, but from the point of view of government disinformation – not a possible revelation that will change the world. Seeing the UFOs for what the likes of Doty have made them into, that may set many people free – and might indeed lead to a major revelation: we have been lied to – on purpose – by the government.
Taken from: http://www.philipcoppens.com/bennewitz.html
I have more on John Alexander. He has since written book on a group called the Advanced Theoretical Physics Group. He claims they were secretly looking for the real UFO working group and didn't find it.
I think John Alexanders full of BS. Thats my opinion. Funny he is in a picture on one of the links with someone i know personally.
Quote from: Pimander on October 29, 2012, 02:22:40 PM
Gebe Valdez probably found a crashed nuclear device or other test craft on the mesa. Aliens stories might throw attention away from that.
Actually somewhere in my notes there is a report that even the crashed craft was a set up. I won't try to go into details from memory though....
Sorry I didnt highlight a quote, but as far as the cattle mutilations go Pimander, why on earth would they experiment and mutilate cattle and blame it on ETs as a cover, doesnt make sense.
If they wanted to experiment they could procure cattle and experiment in private without anyone knowing about it without going to all the trouble of doing it in a field and leaving the evidence behind. That is just stupidity.
Quote from: biggles on October 29, 2012, 07:10:11 PM
If they wanted to experiment they could procure cattle and experiment in private without anyone knowing about it without going to all the trouble of doing it in a field and leaving the evidence behind. That is just stupidity.
No it isn't stupidity at all. They weren't experimenting they were collecting tissue samples.
If you want samples of tissue from higher mammals that live out in the lands where nuclear tests happened what are the candidates. There are only cattle commonly found and easy to "capture out there on ranches etc. There are a few humans but you wouldn't get far doing that. But cattle are common out there and they live near where both underground and overground tests took place. Perfect - in fact the only - possible subject of a scientific investigation into long term radiation effects.
What is stupidity, is to assume that aliens did it cos someone tells you that they did.
If you look at some of the reports there were phut phut phut noises coming from the passing "UFOs". Sounds like a modified chopper to me and certainly not a flying saucer. In fact the other BS was that choppers (not UFOs) were escorting saucers to the mutilations. Come on, think!
ETA: I meant choppers not UFOs in the last paragraph....
Remember that if your ever strapped down on a Dulce slab with those big dark eyes lookin at ya. :P
Quote from: biggles on October 29, 2012, 10:19:31 PM
Remember that if your ever strapped down on a Dulce slab with those big dark eyes lookin at ya. :P
What, are the Apache practicing S&M these days? :o
Quote from: Pimander on October 29, 2012, 11:57:51 PM
What, are the Apache practicing S&M these days? :o
That's a zorgon line if I ever heard one. :P
Nah, Z likes his space chicks. He aint that kinky. :)
Quote from: biggles on October 29, 2012, 07:10:11 PM
Sorry I didnt highlight a quote, but as far as the cattle mutilations go Pimander, why on earth would they experiment and mutilate cattle and blame it on ETs as a cover, doesnt make sense.
If they wanted to experiment they could procure cattle and experiment in private without anyone knowing about it without going to all the trouble of doing it in a field and leaving the evidence behind. That is just stupidity.
I agree 100% with you. Why not blame the mutilations on a predator ? Why blame it on ETs that draws attentions more then anything. If the Govt is behind cattle mutilations why not raise cattle in a private area where there are no prying eyes or witnesses and mutilate cattle this way? I am with you 100% Biggles it makes no sense to me this is my opinion nothing more. 8)
I am no expert on the Dulce or Cattle Mutilation stories...
IF I recall Phil Schneider telling how he lost a finger in what he claimed was an attempt to enter a Alien Underground base..in a firefight with Aliens...which he survived and later he was murdered...
if he was lying about his story...and was later murdered...which seemed very strange.
I can't recall the reasons suggested behind it unless it was GOV agencies shutting him up...or was done as an alternative cover up.
Then I recall seeing a UFO TV program which referred to MUFON...where a rancher kept finding dead cattle that had severely unexplained precision cut holes on parts of their bodies....and this initially was believed to be from Alien activity.... but later on it was noted that some sort of disguised helicopters had been involved in taking the ranchers cattle to dissect them and return them dead back to the ranchers land... It was suggested that this was done to try and scare the rancher and attempt to put him out of business...but I am not sure if there was some other motive behind it...
Admittedly upon seeing the cattle dissection markings...it was hard to understand how they had been done with such precision...and no doubt it is understood why people believed that it had been Alien intervention...
IF I am mistaken or overlooked something else...that has since changed these theories...that may prove that it has not been proven how or why this happened or that ET has been involved... then Id be curious to know more.
I stopped looking into Cattle mutilation stories after I had seen these reasons given in the TV program.
Trying to stay on Tall Whites topic..
With Ref to one of the UFO researchers mentioned...Linda Moulton Howe..
I found this which was in relation to a Pre UFO thread on the Baltic sea object....and she also discusses a visit that she made to Göbekli Tepe Turkey.. where she describes an unusual archaeological find that has some
tall stone humanoid figures....
Initially I was comparing to the tall whites figures that S.I.T.D posted on his thread earlier... but I am not sure if they compare.
Zorgon has done a great thread on it back in July 2012.
http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2012/08/RIR-120803.php
Phil Schneider was as bogus as a 3 dollar bill.
For starters, google 'corbomite' which he claims to hold a piece in his hand.
There is plenty more if that is not enough, but is a sad waste of valuable time.
Sadly far too many people accept his claims at face value.
Without going into a more detailed study...
I could not really find very much initially to disprove what I was led to believe..
I can see the basis behind his Corbomite element claim with ref to the 1st "star trek" episode..
But this may be similar to Bobs story where much was said about his element 115.
IF I believe that Bobs story is likely to be true ( which I do so more since coming on PRC and meeting you with your related story !...) and that I would therefore have more belief that E.Ts exist on this planet..
Therefore I do not really see why I wouldn't believe Phil Schneiders story..
I suspect that there must be a much stronger reason as to why you do not believe it.. other than a claim of any element that did not exist.
IF there are DUMBs at Area 51 / S4 , why would there not be elsewhere or at Dulce !
Quote from: astr0144 on October 30, 2012, 05:59:30 AM
I suspect that there must be a much stronger reason as to why you do not believe it.. other than a claim of any element that did not exist.
Indeed there is. I knew Phil personally. I can tell you exactly where he got every piece of information he spouted.
If you notice, everything he says can be found elsewhere before he started doing the lecture circut. That is where he got it.
He lost his fingers while playing around with explosives as a kid.
The only "new" information he presented was his made up story of being in the firefight.
He got THAT from seeing Bob's information about the confrontation between the ETs and the security guard trying to bring bullets into their area, resulting in human deaths.
When he saw that he vowed vengeance if ever given the chance.
He was a well known pathalogical liar here locally long before he went on the lecture circut, which he did for deperately needed money.
He even bragged to me how great the money was on the lecture circut not long before he died.
Frankenstien Phil was close to death at all times what with the myriad of portable battery powered medical devices he carried around to keep him alive.
BTB we're not talking about Phil Schneider, dont know why he came into it.
Quote from: ShotInTheDark on October 30, 2012, 04:06:29 AM
I agree 100% with you.
Why does that not surprise me? ::)
Quote from: ShotInTheDark on October 30, 2012, 04:06:29 AMWhy not blame the mutilations on a predator ? Why blame it on ETs that draws attentions more then anything.
Last time somebody was this wilfully ignorant I started to think AFOSI again? Its bloody well obvious and I already explained this! If you don't understand this time you have no chance whatsoever in this field so pay attention...
A predator does not make cuts with surgical precision. Surgical instruments do - so you cannot blame the mutilations on a predator. Predators don't arrive in helicopters or Jeeps either.
They also wanted to discredit serious investigations of mutilations by attaching the study of mutilations to the lunatic fringe in the eye of the public so they rolled out the standard aliens BS. The study is now considered "out there". The ruse worked. It also had the dual use of distracting Bennewitz from Kirtland.
We even already know for a fact that disinfo meisters Bill Moore and Rick Doty (also of Serpo) were involved without me detailing every persons involvement further. Linda Moulton-Howe was taken to Kirtland by Doty and asked to lean in certain directions with her documentary about the mutilations in exchange for some aliens material that never appeared. It just delayed the documentary and I think almost got the documentary pulled for Linda.
Why don't you ask John Lear or look it up? This is all on record.
Quote from: ShotInTheDark on October 30, 2012, 04:06:29 AMIf the Govt is behind cattle mutilations why not raise cattle in a private area where there are no prying eyes or witnesses and mutilate cattle this way?
Because you can't raise cattle all over the regions in and around every single test site all over the USA in private for generations. It would cost billions! there are ranches already there owned by ranchers so you have to covertly collect tissue from them.
They needed tissue samples that had lived in and around the sites, and been exposed to whatever (radiation) for generations so cattle are the only higher mammal they could have used. Cattle breed more regularly than humans, live in numbers at the sites, are easy to work on and are bit less of a serious undertaking than humans.
Quote from: ShotInTheDark on October 30, 2012, 04:06:29 AMI am with you 100% Biggles it makes no sense to me this is my opinion nothing more. 8)
Well in that case you are either ignorant of the facts or in the wrong field. That or worse.
If you ignore my points again then I'll explain to the membership exactly what that shows. I have responded to the points you and Biggles made, in the manner of a reasoned debate. Either engage with my clear and reasonable points or shut up. Last time this happened it was that guy who runs the LazyGranch site who was pretending he knew what was in the sky at Area 51 years ago when he wasn't there. This is such a vivid echo of that conversation - except this time it is on our site and I simply will not have it!
P.S. It is possible that the tissue samples were for studying the spread of something within the cattle population (biological test/leak, fallout or disease?) and not radiation studies. I suspect perhaps both were looked at to save money.
Quote from: biggles on October 30, 2012, 07:31:39 AM
BTB we're not talking about Phil Schneider, dont know why he came into it.
Schneider was instrumental in disseminating this material all over the UFO scene. He was full of sh1t. Have you looked up Corbomite yet?
Wasn't that the material of the corbomite bomb from Star Trek? Kirk bluffed his way out of a tight situation, threatening to blow up a Corbomite bomb and decimate an entire sector of space?....I knew I heard that somewhere..... ::)
Hi A51,
Your reply does surprise me...
I had no idea that you had known him personally...
I can indeed see how he could have connected parts of Bobs story to his...( esp the element and firefight )
I was unaware of his medical / health issues.
Thanks for the explanation..
I forget just how knowledgeable / informed some of the members are !
Also Pimander... thanks for clarifying about the Cattle Mutilation story.
I was not aware of the actual reasons behind their agendas.
IF it was either a radiation or other effect on cattle that they were taking test samples for from the cattle , (I assume only within certain areas...around the USA) I wonder just how serious things were and how if at all this was an air born or maybe viral or ( something in the cattle;s food chain) that would effect to all living beings including man !
and also what the outcome was or has been since !
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Indeed there is. I knew Phil personally. I can tell you exactly where he got every piece of information he spouted.
If you notice, everything he says can be found elsewhere before he started doing the lecture circut. That is where he got it.
He lost his fingers while playing around with explosives as a kid.
Quote from: Pimander on October 30, 2012, 12:04:53 PM
Why does that not surprise me? ::)
Last time somebody was this wilfully ignorant I started to think AFOSI again? Its bloody well obvious and I already explained this! If you don't understand this time you have no chance whatsoever in this field so pay attention...
A predator does not make cuts with surgical precision. Surgical instruments do - so you cannot blame the mutilations on a predator. Predators don't arrive in helicopters or Jeeps either.
They also wanted to discredit serious investigations of mutilations by attaching the study of mutilations to the lunatic fringe in the eye of the public so they rolled out the standard aliens BS. The study is now considered "out there". The ruse worked. It also had the dual use of distracting Bennewitz from Kirtland.
We even already know for a fact that disinfo meisters Bill Moore and Rick Doty (also of Serpo) were involved without me detailing every persons involvement further. Linda Moulton-Howe was taken to Kirtland by Doty and asked to lean in certain directions with her documentary about the mutilations in exchange for some aliens material that never appeared. It just delayed the documentary and I think almost got the documentary pulled for Linda.
Why don't you ask John Lear or look it up? This is all on record.
Because you can't raise cattle all over the regions in and around every single test site all over the USA in private for generations. It would cost billions! there are ranches already there owned by ranchers so you have to covertly collect tissue from them.
They needed tissue samples that had lived in and around the sites, and been exposed to whatever (radiation) for generations so cattle are the only higher mammal they could have used. Cattle breed more regularly than humans, live in numbers at the sites, are easy to work on and are bit less of a serious undertaking than humans.
Well in that case you are either ignorant of the facts or in the wrong field. That or worse.
If you ignore my points again then I'll explain to the membership exactly what that shows. I have responded to the points you and Biggles made, in the manner of a reasoned debate. Either engage with my clear and reasonable points or shut up. Last time this happened it was that guy who runs the LazyGranch site who was pretending he knew what was in the sky at Area 51 years ago when he wasn't there. This is such a vivid echo of that conversation - except this time it is on our site and I simply will not have it!
P.S. It is possible that the tissue samples were for studying the spread of something within the cattle population (biological test/leak, fallout or disease?) and not radiation studies. I suspect perhaps both were looked at to save money.
No I dont think so Pimander, nah.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STwmKys7qwk
I find the skeptical opinion on Dulce and Phil to be very interesting as I still debate the idea of "good" vs "bad" aliens within my own mind.
The Physics Of Extraterrestrials discusses this controversy and concludes that they are quietly shifting our genes to be less hostile, while sometimes reacting to our tendency towards war.
In regard to animal mutilations, are we saying that humans have highly advanced laser scalpels? Is there evidence that this mutilation is global or just within the West?
Hi, all. I have given Hall's story a fair amount of thought & of all the stories to have come out of the 70s/ 80s, his seems the most intriguing. More on that later.
Regarding the mutilations of the mid 70's & all the hooplah surrounding it, let me give you an idea of the tech available at the time.
In 1970, the CIA was given the task of creating an aircraft with a 1000 mile range, 2 crew & 150 lb. payload as silently as possible.
Not stealth, but sonically as silent as possible.
A Hughes OH6 was chosen, primarily for it's range & existing weight specs. Without boring everyone with details, a 5 bladed variant with everything muffled or cushioned (including the fuel pump bearings!) was flown for Lawrence Houston at Culver City airport at an altitude of 500 ft & 85 knots.
"damn near silent" was his report to Richard Helms.
A version of this story is in the book "spycraft" by Wallace & Melton.
It seems likely that there would have been an ongoing project to covertly measure radiation or NBC residue.
What better way to do it?
Kenticus.
They would do it in a lab, not in a field in South America. ::)
Wow, how astute of you to determine that after a successful prototype was built, no production models would be built & fielded.
Quote from: kenticus on October 30, 2012, 11:20:53 PM
Wow, how astute of you to determine that after a successful prototype was built, no production models would be built & fielded.
Successful prototypes.............for what do tell. ::)
Production models built and fielded also for what, please inform us all.
Your not talking about precision lasers are you.
We all know that the government have had lasers a long time before we got them, like the surgeons et al.
But they wouldnt bloody use them in a field in Argentina. Give me a bloody break.
I found this information on Phil Schneider...
It does say that he was a EX GOV structural engineer involved in building underground Military bases.... so that was one of his connections to his story.
The article also suggests that his death was not natural or health related..and suggests that he committed suicide...some had suggested that he had been murdered...
He had been on the lecture circuit for 2 years...and had lived in Oregon.
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Philip Schneider was an ex-government structural engineer who was involved in building underground military bases around the United States , and to be one of only three people to survive an incident that occurred in 1979 between Grey aliens and U.S. military forces at the Dulce underground base .
For the last two years of his life, Schneider gave lectures about government cover-ups, black budgets, and UFOs. Schneider was never able or willing to prove his allegations (e.g. showing the entrance to Dulce Base). His claims received little mainstream notice, but caused quite a buzz in UFO enthusiast circles.
Schneider was found dead in his apartment on January 17 1996 Some suggest Schneider was murdered .
[link to www.apfn.org]
Al Pratt suspected something was wrong with his friend Philip Schneider. For several days in a row, Al had gone to Phil's apartment, in Willsonville, Oregon, saw his car in the parking lot, but received no answer at the door. Finally, on January 17th, 1996, Al Pratt, along with the manager of the Autumn Park Apartments and a detective from the Clackamas County Sheriff's office entered the apartment. Inside, they found the body of Philip Schneider. Apparently he had been dead for 5 to 7 days. The Clackamas County Coroner's office initially attributed Philip Schneider's death to a stroke. However, in the following days disturbing details about his death began to surface, leading some to believe that Philip Schneider had not died from a stroke, but had in fact been murdered.
After the initial cause of Philip's death was listed as a stroke, Cynthia asked to see the body before it was to be prepared for cremation. She was dissuaded by the funeral director who felt that the body's advanced state of decomposition would be too traumatic. However, she could not shake the feeling that something was wrong. The next day Cynthia was contacted by Detective Randy Harris who said that "something was wrong" - that there were marks on Philip's neck. Philip Schneider's body was removed from the funeral home and autopsied by Dr. Karen Gunson, Medical Examiner for Multnomah County, Oregon.
The autopsy revealed that Philip had in fact died as a result of having a rubber hose wrapped three times, tightly around his neck and tied in a knot. The conclusion from the autopsy was that he had committed suicide. He had wrapped the tubing around his neck, tied it in a knot, blocked the flow of blood to his head, became unconscious and finally died.
Quote from: astr0144 on October 31, 2012, 01:19:35 AM
It does say that he was a EX GOV structural engineer involved in building underground Military bases.... so that was one of his connections to his story.
Hogwash.
Did they provide any documentation indicating that to be true?
Of course not. ::)
Quote from: biggles on October 30, 2012, 11:30:21 PM
Successful prototypes.............for what do tell. ::)
Production models built and fielded also for what, please inform us all.
Your not talking about precision lasers are you.
We all know that the government have had lasers a long time before we got them, like the surgeons et al.
But they wouldnt bloody use them in a field in Argentina. Give me a bloody break.
Perhaps I was unclear.
In the very early 70's, the CIA built, tested & approved a helicopter capable of near silent operation.
If the implications of this are not apparent, the recent thread drift regarding mid 70's cattle mutilation should give you a clue.
Further, if you think some third world, banana republic's borders would keep a (nearly) silent platform out, I literally feel sorry for you.
Do you think intelligence services ask permission when conducting operations?
Quote from: kenticus on October 31, 2012, 04:40:48 AM
Perhaps I was unclear.
In the very early 70's, the CIA built, tested & approved a helicopter capable of near silent operation.
If the implications of this are not apparent, the recent thread drift regarding mid 70's cattle mutilation should give you a clue.
Further, if you think some third world, banana republic's borders would keep a (nearly) silent platform out, I literally feel sorry for you.
Do you think intelligence services ask permission when conducting operations?
I am not the one that started on the cattle mutilations in this thread, go through it yourself and you will find that to be true.
::) I just replied to it.
Quote from: kenticus on October 31, 2012, 04:40:48 AM
Perhaps I was unclear.
In the very early 70's, the CIA built, tested & approved a helicopter capable of near silent operation.
If the implications of this are not apparent, the recent thread drift regarding mid 70's cattle mutilation should give you a clue.
Further, if you think some third world, banana republic's borders would keep a (nearly) silent platform out, I literally feel sorry for you.
Do you think intelligence services ask permission when conducting operations?
Mid-70's cattle mutilation - I think you need to update yourself with current history as was posted above in the UFO Hunters video.
Do you really think that cattle mutilation was only in the mid-70s, give us a break.
Oh to have Bill Byrnes on here for an hour or so. ::)
Quote from: biggles on October 30, 2012, 11:41:59 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZcBlIe8u0q8
The Ranchers testimony and the sheriff starting at about 25 minutes in is fantastic testimony. We have a rancher who has ranched 77 yrs he claims that the cattle are being lifted and dropped from a some type of craft!!
Sheriff Lou Girodos testimony is fantastic, remember this guys the sheriff with credibility on the line!! Please at least watch this part of the video. The mutilation of cattle is one strange phenomenon. I'm not saying one way or the other who it may be but we must admit something of a high amount of strangeness is happening.
It is an excellent series the History Channel put out. I really love Bill and the guys. ;)
They really put together all the information from witness testimony to examination from professionals of debris left behind by craft.
Quote from: biggles on October 31, 2012, 05:18:23 AM
I am not the one that started on the cattle mutilations in this thread, go through it yourself and you will find that to be true.
::) I just replied to it.
It may be a misunderstanding so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, but....
Kenticus was NOT complaining about the drift it was a way to link the modified choppers to the mutilation discussion. Stop deflecting from pertinent remarks by trying to get responses to your "misunderstandings". I don't need a response from you to this. If it a misunderstanding then we forget it. PM me if you are offended by this post. I will ban you if you post off topic nonsense or troll in ANY WAY on this thread. Do not respond to this in a post. If you wish to discuss the matter further then PM me.
MAKE SURE YOU DO NOT MISUNDERSTAND THE ABOVE!
Quote from: kenticus on October 30, 2012, 08:55:32 PM
Regarding the mutilations of the mid 70's & all the hooplah surrounding it, let me give you an idea of the tech available at the time.
In 1970, the CIA was given the task of creating an aircraft with a 1000 mile range, 2 crew & 150 lb. payload as silently as possible.
Not stealth, but sonically as silent as possible.
A Hughes OH6 was chosen, primarily for it's range & existing weight specs. Without boring everyone with details, a 5 bladed variant with everything muffled or cushioned (including the fuel pump bearings!) was flown for Lawrence Houston at Culver City airport at an altitude of 500 ft & 85 knots.
"damn near silent" was his report to Richard Helms.
A version of this story is in the book "spycraft" by Wallace & Melton.
It seems likely that there would have been an ongoing project to covertly measure radiation or NBC residue.
What better way to do it?
Kenticus.
Excellent post. Kenticus, I'm not sure who you are yet but it is an absolute pleasure to actually meet someone who knows what I am talking about. Expect a PM or email in the near future.
Yes, I have hinted previously about the modified choppers, either in this thread or elsewhere. I also read somewhere that stealth helicopters were developed at Kirtland and Area 51 for years.
It is also obvious to anyone who thinks about this and understands bioscience why tissue would be collected in the field ten taken back to the lab to be analysed. I think some people just can't believe that they have been so easily duped. Well they have.
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I do not appreciate members trying to tell me how to run this site. Only Zorgon, who trusts me, or another administrator are in a position to do that.
I have removed several off topic posts including one of my own. Any complaints then PM Pimander, Zorgon, A51Watcher, Russo (but he is not around recently) or BurnTheShips (she is busy with a house move so may not respond that quickly) or, if you are really brave, you could try Exterminator. We run the site. I hope that is clear.
Thank you, Pimander. It's nice to be here.
I actually go back with John to the OMF days ..he once accused me of being Phil Plait after a disagreement.
I thought it was funny actually.
Regarding some of Hall's assertions, I have no evidence to support why I think there is truth here, but some of the details just jump out at me.
The craft having Boeing overhead bins, for example. I have heard something similar, but from a very different source. Joseph McMoneagle also gives a similar description of a ride he took aboard a craft.
There is also a "museum" of sorts with mockups of plane crashes somewhere (wright pat?) & one display has a very common interior, but the controls are not from around here.
Details, man. Details.
When aliens or UFO's are mentioned, some people say it's just a hoax or somebody's "imagination gone south." Others when they hear the "magic words" just shut off the television, reserving judgment for the next time they belly up to the bar. Still others, deep down inside, believe they exist, but don't have the courage to admit it publicly.
And, finally, there are those true believers, those who have seen the light and have personally made contact. Charles Hall of Albuquerque, NM, says he is one of those true believers.
The following is his story.
Some stand more than 8 feet tall, run 40 mph and live 800 years. They speak like a dog barking or a bird chirping, write similar to Egyptian hieroglyphics and have learned English quite easily. They have large blue eyes that wrap part way around their heads, small noses and tiny ears pressed tight to their scalps. Their thumbs are small with four long slender fingers and two claw-like appendages instead of fingernails.
They all have thin, straight blond hair, usually worn short and the women can be distinguished by a feminine looking short cut. Their hips are shaped liked ours, but they walk quite differently since they are used to a stronger gravity pull. They typically can be seen wearing aluminized chalk white jump suits resembling a canvas-like fabric with gloves of the same material and an open white motorcycle helmet.
What's unusual is the suit emits a three-inch field of white fluorescent light, the intensity varying from soft to bright, a brightness that can actually hurt the human eye.
They are extremely intelligent and process information speed several times faster than humans. However, secretly they fear our intuitive ability and extra sensory perceptions. They have individual talents, differing intellectual capabilities and physical traits, a race definitely not carved from a cookie-cutter. Some are teachers, some are pilots, some are workers and some are leaders. When bored, they like to go star gazing on hot summer nights, take weekend trips to the strip in Las Vegas or visit the Lincoln Monument in Washington D.C.
They like to recreate, procreate and their children, considerably shorter in size, are fun loving, energetic and inquisitive. The children enjoy hide and seek but they also like to play catch with soft objects since their bodies are frail, bruising easily. Mothers are highly devoted to their children to the "Nth" degree, existing solely for the purpose of meeting the needs of their offspring. They believe in a "tit for tat" system, believe their word is their bond and place a special importance on honoring agreements, especially verbal or written.
However, it is unknown whether they believe in God per se or form religions to advance their beliefs.
Although they are highly individualistic, one similar characteristic is they all have white chalky complexions - very white chalky complexions. For this reason, they have been called the Tall Whites. And for this reason, most people think they are nothing but fictional characters conjured up from a past Star Trek episode.
But the Tall Whites are more than just fiction, says Charles Hall, an educated man with a master's in nuclear physics and former weather observer for the United States Air Force.
According to Hall, who claims to have communicated with the Tall Whites, they are very real, very complex and very much a part of the community living at Nellis Air Force Base, a highly secretive 5,000 square mile "no fly zone" military compound in the southern and central Nevada desert.
Nellis is so secret, so secluded, so guarded by military police, according to Hall, an attempt to enter, an attempt to locate the Tall Whites, who live under the sand dunes in concrete and steel bunkers, would be like committing suicide.
"You can't go hunting for them or approach them. They have to come to you and the children are especially curious by nature," said Hall from his home in Albuquerque, NM., saying he hasn't attempted contacting the Tall Whites since his tour of duty ended in the Air Force in 1967 when he left to serve in Vietnam.
"It was a traumatic experience being isolated in the desert, alone with someone so different and obviously more advanced than us.
"At first I thought I was going insane. But I learned over time how to communicate, how to approach them and to never try and force them to do anything. Their nervous systems operate very quickly and they are very protective, very suspicious of our intentions."
Asked why he never returned to Nellis, he simply said:
"I just don't feel the need to go back. If you went through what I did, as I have meticulously recorded in my three books, you probably wouldn't want to go back either as it was at times frightening and emotionally draining."
Hall's "out of this world" recollections are not the product of an overactive imagination or drug-induced hallucinations, but from personal experiences and actual face-to-face contacts with the Tall Whites while stationed at Nellis from 1965-1967.
He claims to have spent two years interacting with this alien race countless numbers of times, but only recently went public with his "earth shattering" statements in a set of three books entitled Millennial Hospitality.
"I just decided to wait all these so as to not jeopardize the well being of my children while they were in school," said Hall, adding the accounts in his books are true with only names and places changed to protect the innocent.
"Along the way I confided with my wife and friends, but now that the children are on their own and grown up, I've decided to tell my story to the public."
And he says the facts in his book are just the tip of the iceberg in what just may turn out to be one of the most detailed, most convincing and most sought after alien stories of all time.
"Just read my books and you'll see what I mean," added Hall, referring to the time they wanted to impress him with their technology superiority by having him throw a rock and then stopping it in mid air. "They also are able to suspend bullets or other faster moving objects."
Academic Heavyweight Lends Support
Not only is Hall convinced about the Tall Whites alien origin and their exceptional powers, but so is academic heavyweight Michael Salla, a doctor of political science and former head of a Washington think-tank after extensively interviewing Hall in December 2004.
What is even more astounding is that Salla has put his otherwise impeccable reputation as a political researcher and thinker on the line, to stray off an "earthly path" for the first time in his career.
Salla has held academic appointments in the School of International Service, American University, Washington, D.C. and the Department of Political Science, Australian National University, Canberra, Australia. He also has taught as an adjunct faculty member at George Washington University.
He is the author of The Hero's Journey Toward a Second America Century and Why the Cold War Ended, as well as Essays on Peace.
"I have never before researched the UFO phenomena, but after talking to Charles I am a believer," said Salla on recent radio interview.
Salla's in depth discussions were revealing, giving Hall's previous books and writings third party independent credibility instead of just biased approval from UFO groupies.
Besides the obvious questions concerning alien quirks, characteristics and intentions, Salla centered on the cooperation and agreements supposedly entered into by the Tall Whites with the U.S. government through military liaisons at Nellis Air Force Base.
"I found Charles Hall to be very credible and compelling in his response to questions. He displays great integrity and is quite sincere in describing solely the facts concerning his experiences," said Salla, who never before delved into UFO stories but has admitted he has come to be a believer.
"The emotions that Charles objectively described in great detail conveyed the extent which what he was experiencing shook his world view and the views of those around him."
Government Agreements with the Tall Whites
However, the relationship between the Tall Whites and our government, explained by Hall, is mind boggling, shocking, revolting and seemingly impossible in a democratic society. But Hall insists these agreements exist, insisting the Tall Whites have been exchanging technology for earthly resources since the early 1950s and maybe even sooner.
Hall recalls in one of his books that in the late 1960s the military provided over $600,000 in clothing from Sears, having seen the shipment being hauled with military trucks into the desert compound where the Tall Whites lived. He also recalls the military providing food, aluminum, titanium and other commodities, perhaps used for interstellar trading as the Tall White's roam the universe, contacting other civilizations.
In his interview, Salla ventures to guess what has transpired since the 1960s and whether the military has been involved in more sinister deals and agreements without public disclosure.
Regarding nondisclosure, Salla effectively argues that the military may be compromising America's resources and its future survival by not allowing a public debate on issues concerning the welfare if its own people concerning issues involving trade agreements with the Tall Whites.
"The American people have a right to know and the knowledge Charles brings regarding the Tall White's interaction with the U.S. Air Force generals is very enlightening in terms of the way agreements were followed to the letter," he said.
"It appears that the Tall Whites are quite legalistic and this seems to be something that the U.S. military finds to be helpful in working with them. According to Charles, the Tall Whites were quite clear that only certain categories of technology would be shared, categories that presumably would not give the U.S. military deep space capability. They apparently pride themselves in being trustworthy and expect the same in return. A broken promise to a Tall White is the worst kind of evil and dealt with very harshly."
Hall also emphasizes the Tall Whites have no ulterior designs regarding Earth in terms of colonizing it or taking over governments with their obvious advanced technology.
However, in his books he details how the Tall Whites would threaten to kill humans who disobeyed or scared them. Hall cites one frightening incident where an American general allowed a serviceman to be killed by a Tall White after one of their children was threatened.
"I think the American military felt the servicemen were expendable and of little importance in comparison with keeping the Tall Whites satisfied," said Hall.
Other Unique Characteristics of Tall Whites
As previously mentioned, the Tall Whites can grow to be over 7 feet tall. However, most the adults in the first half of their lives usually range in size from 5'10 to 6'5".
"Their life span is ten times grater than ours," said Hall, adding that it takes them 10 times longer to heal, too. "They do not age as we do, but at about 400 earth years, they undergo a second stage of growth, eventually reaching about 8 feet tall. They then die of organ failure at an age of approximately 800 years. Since on their planet, days are longer so are they sleeping patterns, usually staying awake for two earth days and then followed by sleeping the same amount of time."
"Although they can be quite friendly, they are at times arrogant and insulting. But they appear sensitive and understanding to our social structures and have cultivated relationships with high-ranking military officials, some of who have worked side by side with the Tall Whites. They held lesser ranking persons with disdain and I got a long with them by letting them treat me as their pets."
Asked what the Tall Whites thought was unique about humans, he said,
"they couldn't get over how we interacted with animals. They commented several times that we were the only life form they met that kept animals as pets. They appeared to be extremely frightened of our animals and couldn't figure out why we would interact with something so potentially deadly."
Where Are They From?
Hall said he learned very little about the origin of the Tall Whites during his two-year encounter.
"They really shared very little about their history and origins," recalls Hall.
However, one incident took place with a Tall White he called "the Teacher" which revealed they may have come from near the star Arcturus about 36 light years away.
In a passage from one of his books, he said:
"A ripple of emotion passed through the crowd when I mentioned the star Arcturus. After a short pause, the older lady asked with some surprise, 'Teacher, does Charlie know where we come from?'
"The Teacher replied: 'No, not quite, but he's close.'"
Hall believes the reason they are here is that earth provides a perfect way station for the Tall Whites in their interstellar travel routes.
And Nellis Air Force Base provides a perfect location since the remoteness of the desert provides excellent cover for takeoffs and landings.
"They arrive with new replacements on one of their larger spaceships every month at the time of the full moon," said Hall. "I've seen the ship arrive and have gotten as close as the outside entrance of the hangar but never inside."
How do they travel?
Hall witnessed three different types of spacecraft, ranging in size from a small nuclear powered scout craft and a large interstellar craft able to travel faster than the speed of light. This large black craft was approximately 70 feet high and 360 feet long. Hall said the technology of the small craft was shared with the military but the large craft remains a mystery.
Regarding their hangar and living facilities, he added,
"I was able to observe the repair facilities from a short distance and to the best of my knowledge I am the only person to have been allowed to view these facilities.
"The American generals would do anything to maintain good relations with the Tall Whites in order to get their technology," said Hall, who maintains he saw them together many times and even sat together across negotiating tables.
"The exchange was done on the basis of what would benefit the Tall Whites and they sometimes participated in classified meetings, helping with technology development."
What do they eat?
Hall said the military definitely supplied the Tall Whites with any type of food requested, but noticed them carrying prepared bags of what looked like mushroom pudding.
"I saw them once inspecting the food storage rooms in Indian Springs chow hall," he said. "And once I saw a couple of them in a Las Vegas restaurant with a full meal but they didn't touch their plates before leaving the restaurant."
Hall surmised they were plant eaters, as he noticed them collecting seeds on various occasions.
"They are not meat eaters. That I know for sure," he added. "The food that I saw packaged and sealed in plastic bags on the scout craft, looked like mushroom pudding. I was told by one of them it was prepared primarily for the children or for when they were out in the desert hiking.
"I was also told it wasn't a good idea to eat their food as it would have adverse affects on my body. It was my understanding that eating those foods made a person feel very high and somewhat similar to drinking large amounts of liquor."
Have Others Seen Them?
More than seven years prior to Hall's arrival at Nellis, log books showed 41 weather observers had been compromised while trying to perform their duties in the Nellis ranges. Some required medical attention, others were given medical discharges from the air force and some were killed.
In fact, the weather observer who preceded Hall deserted his duties and moved away from the area. So how did Hall survive when others before him didn't?
He attributes this to his ability to understand their habits and essentially being adopted by one of the Tall Whites called the Teacher, who seemed to take a special interest and liking to him.
Although he was never able to take photos, he said a New Jersey housewife traveling through Nevada had acquired a number of authentic looking photos which she included in a paperback book published on the Tall Whites.
Even though this would have provided third party corroboration, he was unable to recall the name of the lady or title of the book.
"It always has upset me that I couldn't remember her name, but I know the Tall Whites were viewed by many other servicemen on the range. I think someone there must have given her the photos," said Hall.
Did President Harry Truman See Them?
Encountering Tall White's at close range was such a shock to the servicemen at Nellis, frequently the sightings were reported as ghosts, angels or other types of fantastic creatures.
Official accounts reported also revealed that President Truman in the late 1940s thought he encountered ghosts in the White House usually before retiring to bed.
The reports go on to say he thought he was mistakenly seeing the ghost of President Lincoln, telling White House employees of his sightings on a number of occasions.
"My suggestion is that you research the stories of Lincoln's ghost and the ghost of Donna Anna county in Las Cruces near the White Sands Missile Range," said Hall.
He suggested President Truman most likely encountered Tall Whites in the White House instead of ghosts.
"Remember, many of the range maintenance men who saw the Tall Whites actually thought they were seeing ghosts."
Are the Tall Whites in India?
Credible news reports this month from the New Delhi Times and several other Indian dailies have reported their government is in the midst of an internal debate on whether to go public with alien encounters.
Many in the largest democracy in the world are eager to explain to its citizens and to the world about the ongoing contacts with UFO's and aliens. However, there are others who want to bend to the will of the world's super powers who are now trying to convince India to keep quiet about UFO contact.
According to overseas news reports, America and other super powers are engaged in "economic bribery" in order to keep the Indian government silent about alien contact.
How Can You Meet Them?
Asked this question, Hall suggests:
"Drive to Indian Springs Nevada during the hot part of summer in late May through early September. They like it hotter than we do. On the south side of town, there is a large open vacant section of desert. Pick a location where you can see the mountains located in the distance at the north end of Indian Springs Valley (that means they can see you).
"Make sure your having fun - get involved with your work such as painting a picture, etc. That is very important - they're bored - they like entertainment. Be very conscious of the passage of time. If you have any missing time, such as 20 minutes, remember any "dreams" that you might have had during this missing time.
"Take note of any florescent light that you see at night no matter how far up in the valley it might be. The Tall Whites used to like to come out between 11:30 and 12:30 at night and return up the valley sometime after 4:30 a.m. Take note of any fuzzy white flying craft that you see just after sun comes up along the western side of the Indian Springs Valley.
"If they come, they prefer to approach you from behind so sit out in the open where you have a good view. Never, never panic - I know talk is cheap but never pursue them. Just stay standing or sitting in one place. It's OK to walk (not run ) away if you become frightened.
"NEVER NEVER NEVER try to touch their children no matter how close they come.
The children are willing to come right up to you, closer than arm's length. If you touch them, the mother will kill you. Sing quiet songs to yourself.
I used to sing Ricky Nelson's song,
"It's Up to You" and I'd pray a lot. It calmed me down and I have no idea what it did for them. But It seemed to calm most of them down too.
"Good Luck."
Concluding Thoughts
Whether Hall's story is true, of course, is debatable. However, no one can argue it is compelling, detailed and filled with interesting facts.
If there are lingering doubts, they come from lack of corroboration, lack of physical evidence and Hall's inability to provide the names of those persons who may also have first hand knowledge.
If he is telling the truth, this added information would only give credence to his incredible story. And as they say, until further evidence comes forward, the jury is still out!
But for those too impatient to await a final verdict, maybe a trip to Indian Springs Valley is the next logical step.
Astro144, have some Gold, thanks for bringing this awesome thread back to the tall Whites and Hall's story! I think it's the most credible alien claim on PRC! I highly appreciate the work Dan (SITD) has done on this thread, and was bothered by some of the negativity that made its way into this thread.
Thank you! I accidentally deleted many pictures from my Flickr account forgetting they were linked.. it was a late night! Duh!
I think the Tall White story may have been corroborated by Paranormal Files: Fact or Faked when the runway lights came on and that craft shot downward, there's no way that was a meteorite!
Thank you for Gold Primus58.
Maybe there were a few added topics that had taken this great thread in varied directions that perhaps should be or have been discussed in other areas.
Although Phil Schneider was discussed briefly, and I was aware of some of his story...I could not find much detail of it on P.R.C.and would have thought that the story would have diserved its own thread.
A51 Watcher gives us his reasons behind it which surprised me when he says that he knew of him personally...
Yes this Tall Whites Thread is certainly one of the best stories that I have come across...Offering Many thought provoking ideas.
It would have been great if we could get Charles Hall to log in and pay us a visit.... :)
Does anyone know Indian Springs area ?
Just wondered what part exactly that they are referring to in the details indicated below..
How Can You Meet Them?
Asked this question, Hall suggests:
"Drive to Indian Springs Nevada during the hot part of summer in late May through early September. They like it hotter than we do. On the south side of town, there is a large open vacant section of desert. Pick a location where you can see the mountains located in the distance at the north end of Indian Springs Valley (that means they can see you).
"Make sure your having fun - get involved with your work such as painting a picture, etc. That is very important - they're bored - they like entertainment. Be very conscious of the passage of time. If you have any missing time, such as 20 minutes, remember any "dreams" that you might have had during this missing time.
"Take note of any florescent light that you see at night no matter how far up in the valley it might be. The Tall Whites used to like to come out between 11:30 and 12:30 at night and return up the valley sometime after 4:30 a.m. Take note of any fuzzy white flying craft that you see just after sun comes up along the western side of the Indian Springs Valley.
"If they come, they prefer to approach you from behind so sit out in the open where you have a good view. Never, never panic - I know talk is cheap but never pursue them. Just stay standing or sitting in one place. It's OK to walk (not run ) away if you become frightened.
"NEVER NEVER NEVER try to touch their children no matter how close they come.
The children are willing to come right up to you, closer than arm's length. If you touch them, the mother will kill you. Sing quiet songs to yourself.
I used to sing Ricky Nelson's song,
"It's Up to You" and I'd pray a lot. It calmed me down and I have no idea what it did for them. But It seemed to calm most of them down too.
"Good Luck."
This is a brilliant and fascinating thread and will almost certainly be split.
I wish you knew how deep we try to dig for information sometimes and what we go through to get it. You might understand why it can be frustrating when what we say is not even acknowledged by members. I swear as true as I type these words that I am not trying to mislead you on this thread. On my life!
Could I make it any clearer?
Quote from: astr0144 on November 01, 2012, 09:18:18 PM
Does anyone know Indian Springs area ?
Just wondered what part exactly that they are referring to in the details indicated below..
How Can You Meet Them?
Asked this question, Hall suggests:
"Drive to Indian Springs Nevada during the hot part of summer in late May through early September. They like it hotter than we do. On the south side of town, there is a large open vacant section of desert. Pick a location where you can see the mountains located in the distance at the north end of Indian Springs Valley (that means they can see you).
"Make sure your having fun - get involved with your work such as painting a picture, etc. That is very important - they're bored - they like entertainment. Be very conscious of the passage of time. If you have any missing time, such as 20 minutes, remember any "dreams" that you might have had during this missing time.
"Take note of any florescent light that you see at night no matter how far up in the valley it might be. The Tall Whites used to like to come out between 11:30 and 12:30 at night and return up the valley sometime after 4:30 a.m. Take note of any fuzzy white flying craft that you see just after sun comes up along the western side of the Indian Springs Valley.
"If they come, they prefer to approach you from behind so sit out in the open where you have a good view. Never, never panic - I know talk is cheap but never pursue them. Just stay standing or sitting in one place. It's OK to walk (not run ) away if you become frightened.
"NEVER NEVER NEVER try to touch their children no matter how close they come.
The children are willing to come right up to you, closer than arm's length. If you touch them, the mother will kill you. Sing quiet songs to yourself.
I used to sing Ricky Nelson's song,
"It's Up to You" and I'd pray a lot. It calmed me down and I have no idea what it did for them. But It seemed to calm most of them down too.
"Good Luck."
Theres a desert area next to Creech AFB which used to be Indian Springs and Hall suggests camping in that particular location and to be active at Midnight play music and such. This area is to the right of Creech I will get a pic from Google Earth and post it.
There happens to be a story of a guy on the net who claims he had done this and made contact with The Talls. The ride hover like crafts and literally glow. I hear Laser Pointers get there attention. I would love to do this but I simply can afford to at the moment.
The Talls are very curious and I'm sure they are bored for their stay here on Earth. They find us as fascinating as we find them. I want to meet one so bad!!!!
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Exonews – I was 'Invited' Aboard a Craft by 3 Androgenous Beings in Long White Robes
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QuoteMy name is Kelvin Curnow, and I live in Plymouth, England. I have had several experiences with celestial craft (UFO's ) since early childhood, and have also had telepathic communication with these craft on many occasions during my lifetime. I have always felt very strongly since childhood, that I do not belong here, but have to accept the fact, that I answered a call, and incarnated here for a higher purpose.
Many of us are known as ' starseeds '/' lightworkers ', we are human in appearance, but have extraterrestrial souls to carry out the work that needs to be done on ' earth ' to raise higher human consciousness, to assist humanity during the current transition of the ' earth changes ', as prophesized by the Mayans of Central America and the Hopi Indians of Arizona.
When I reached the age of 34, I decided to go public about my experiences and was invited to India, to give talks to people of all religions, on my experiences with highly evolved benevolent extraterrestrials, that I had interacted with since early childhood.
In one of my many experiences, I believe that I was either in a trance, or actually having an ' out of body ' experience, when at the age of 15, I remember getting out of bed, walking down the stairs, and walking out of the back of the house and into the rear garden. Just beyond the garden wall, which was about 1 meter high, there was an open field with 3 or 4 horses about 100 meters away, at the top of the field.
Roughly 15 meters from the garden wall, there was a saucer / disc shaped craft, roughly 10 meters in diameter, glowing with white luminosity, and standing right by the craft, there were three beautiful androgenous beings, with long blonde hair and blue eyes, wearing long white robes.
They communicated with me telepathically, and I felt very strongly that I knew them, and that they knew me. I must state quite clearly, that I was not abducted, but was ' invited ' to board the craft. I went on board the spacecraft at my own freewill, as I felt so much love coming from these beautiful beings and felt entirely safe with them.
When I was on the craft, I had no recollection of being taken anywhere, but do remember there being crystals in the centre of the craft, of which I felt at the time, was their power source, when traveling to and from the ' motherships ', which actually travel interdimensionally, as there are many different dimensions and universes of reality. Also, because these craft are able to travel interdimensionally, they also have the ability to manipulate time-travel.
During my experience on board the craft, I was shown different timeline scenarios, of possible future world events, including enormous climate change and the collapse of the world's monetary system. I was also shown other possible future world events, of which I will not disclose, however, whatever happens to the future of humanity, we must remember that the future is not set in stone, and that we the inhabitants of this beautiful planet, have the power to bring about the Kingdom of Heaven on Earth, if we so choose to, putting behind our prejudices against skin color and religions, as ' We Are All One '.
All three beings were on the craft with me, one on the other side of the crystals opposite me, one to my left, and another being to my right. To this day, I have no idea where I may of been taken, but I do remember that I was able to communicate with them telepathically, and I remember feeling sad, when I came off the craft. In the morning, I just woke up in bed, and went off to school.
It was not until the 31st August, 1997, when the Princess of Wales was killed in a car accident in Paris, that I was sitting at a computer, and felt that I was receiving information of which I typed on the keyboard. Much of the information that came through, was about what we are experiencing in the current timeline, such as accelerated climate change, resulting in millions of people, crossing international borders in search of food and water, as well as increased earthquake and volcanic activity and the imminent collapse of the world's financial institutions.
When I was incarnated here on ' earth ' in 1958, I had no memory of my past life existence, however, I feel a very strong connection with the ' Pleiades ' star system, and I do know for a fact, that planet ' earth ' is the only inhabited planet in the galaxy, that has a monetary system.
It is my belief, that due to the current transition of the ' earth changes ' that not only are we experiencing geophysical and climatic changes, but also changes in our current out-dated social, political and economic system, which will finally result in the collapse of the monetary system.
As long as there is a planetary monetary system in place, there will not be ' peace ' on this ' earth ' as it is the banking system that finances the wars that sadly continue to this day, but for not much longer, as money is just an illusion, that was introduced by the Romans just over 2,000 years ago, when ' salt ' was used as the first currency before metal coins.
There are enough resources on this planet for everyone, and no-one should ever have to go hungry or not have a warm comfortable home to live in. As soon as the monetary system collapses, I have absolutely no doubt, that there will be a temporary difficult transition, but at least we can all move forward without the monetary system, and build a better and much more loving world, as the ' creator ' intended it to be.
If you are a person who has also had similar experiences as myself with extraterrestrials, you are welcome to contact me at my personal email address, which is: curnow.kelvin@yahoo.co.uk as this is a time, when all ' starseeds' and ' lightworkers ' must gather together, to finish the mission that we volunteered to do, when we incarnated here on Earth to assist humanity to a higher level of consciousness, giving us the ' opportunity ' to lead all of us onto the ' Christ Consciousness ' when Jesus and the ' Masters ' of all the other religions spoke of humanity, having ' one consciousness '.
Above, is a painting that I had commissioned several years ago, in regard to my experience at 15 years of age, when three highly evolved androgenous beings, invited me onto their craft.
' Love, Light and Peace on Earth '
' Namaste '
Kelvin Curnow
I was 'Invited' Aboard a Craft (http://2012indyinfo.com/2012/10/12/exonews-i-was-invited-aboard-a-craft-by-3-androgenous-beings-in-long-white-robes-exopolitics-institute-news-service/)
Nice find Zorg...
I also found ref to that post on this website which I maybe Kevin Curnows. ( I think you have to sign up to see the owner profile )
It seems a psychic paranormal maybe religious type site...but has UFO material.
It may have been already posted on here at some time. I seem to recall the title.
http://thefederationoflight.ning.com/profiles/blog/list?tag=the
Yeah sorta a religion LOL The Galactic Federation of Light ;)
Quote from: zorgon on February 05, 2013, 07:36:18 AM
Yeah sorta a religion LOL The Galactic Federation of Light ;)
Is it just me, or does anyone else notice how, with these benevolent ETs, while they tell us to put aside skin colour as an issue, they themselves always show up as the physical incarnation of the Aryan ideal? ;)
They always look like Scandinavians. Seriously; I've never heard of a black Pleiadian. Coincidence?
There's no 'black' or 'white' in space, only greys
;D
Awesome topic.
Are these tall whites the same as 'pleiadians'? I thought Pleiadians were almost indistinguishable from Humans?
If they come from Arcturus, maybe we should call them 'Arcturans' just to avoid confusion.
Quote from: petrus4 on February 05, 2013, 09:30:11 AM
They always look like Scandinavians. Seriously; I've never heard of a black Pleiadian. Coincidence?
Well here on THIS space rock we are told that all races sprang up from a white couple. Now any fool can figure out there is something wrong with that picture. More likely we have many races from many sources :D
So it seems likely that these other planets all have only ONE race per world... the Greys I hear are from Zeta Reticuli; those blond cuties from the Pleiadian system; not sure were those Reptilians call home, and those Preying Mantis types... well even John Norman told us they hung around Gor, a counter Earth and transported races to that place...
Now back in our history we have one System lord that was green skinned, Osiris.
And there was THIS guy...
(http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/425717_451458871568376_1252948759_n.jpg)
Back in Toronto there was a professor that wrote a paper that was very unpopular, dealt with the monkey issue, but I don't think I will talk about that. Too many will take offense :P
Carl Sagan's message that he put on those spacecraft show blond naked whites as being the only species on this rock. Oversite? Or a message home :P
This looks like the artist was out here in the desert... so I figured it would fit into this thread :D
(http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/389518_204025186348289_2109408823_n.jpg)
Well "Z",
I don't know if you new much about the Tall Whites before "Shot in the Dark" ( Dan) wrote this great thread..
If you did know about them in your younger or your more mobile days.
I am very surprised that with you and John, living in Las Vegas that you have not encountered or attempted to search for them if there is truth in this story ... :-\ :)
Its said there is an area next to Indian Springs where people had witnessed them...As you live close by, I thought that you may know where this maybe.
Nope I only moved to Vegas in 2000 and didn't meet John or get into all this stuff till Oct 2006 when i was looking for star gate info that led me to ATS
8)
Oh I see !
I was not sure how long you had lived in vegas, or how long that you had been researching these topics and did not realize that you only got to know about John since 2006.
I was thinking that maybe you had known about the Tall Whites for sometime, but maybe you only found out about them since this thread.
I am sure that you have been to Indian Springs ! or passed through on the way to Mercury or maybe on the way to to see the NTS..
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Quote from: zorgon on February 24, 2013, 05:41:28 AM
Nope I only moved to Vegas in 2000 and didn't meet John or get into all this stuff till Oct 2006 when i was looking for star gate info that led me to ATS
8)
Well as I think that I understand..
The Bible tells us we come from Adam and Eve ! Did it say if they were any particular color or exactly where they came from ?
Science says we ALL came from Africa...
IF so did we all originate from the Black races ? May this have been Adam and Eve ? Or was they a White race in Africa ?
BUT maybe "Zs" suggesting that we may have come from various ETs that maybe why we vary in our Colors !
Hmmm ... maybe !
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Well here on THIS space rock we are told that all races sprang up from a white couple. Now any fool can figure out there is something wrong with that picture. More likely we have many races from many sources :D
There is no doubt that we could well imagine the Egyptian race being associated with a ET race..
And the were a Dark skin Race...
But again we were told by science as I seem to recall that we all originated and spread out from a more central to Southern Africa.
I was watching a TV program a few days ago where they took this celebrities DNA and somehow were able to trace his very long term background...and part of it referred to a Black African race.
They even suggested the actual tribe that he was related too. :o
Which was somewhat a bit of a surprise !
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Quote from: zorgon on February 24, 2013, 04:26:16 AM
Now back in our history we have one System lord that was green skinned, Osiris.
Osiris is a black God!
Astro144 thank you for the comment on the thread I really appreciate your interest and always have cherished this story. I will say this when I have no obligations where i live right now and I can escape my own town for about a month I am going to search for The Talls !!! It is one of my goals in life I know a guy who claims he has seen them.
Check out this amazing Video and interview of Charles Hall by an Australian News Channel.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGPWDBangZs
Quote from: astr0144 on February 24, 2013, 06:30:28 AM
There is no doubt that we could well imagine the Egyptian race being associated with a ET race..
And the were a Dark skin Race...
Africans are mainly black. Egypt is in Africa. The Arabs and Semites are there too now but the oldest Egyptian Kings were likely black.
Hi Dan,
Thanks for your post..
Interesting Video...Great to see that Charles Hall still talks about it openly...
Id love to meet him if he tours around in an area that I can attend his events..
Anyone members who may live in Australia can meet up with Charles Hall ....
http://thefederationoflight.ning.com/group/australian-ufo-information/forum/topics/charles-j-hall-is-coming-to-australia-and-will-also-be-on-sunrise?xg_source=activity
http://kauilapele.wordpress.com/2013/03/25/major-disclosure-event-australian-tv-us-military-worked-with-aliens-dcharles-hall/
There is an accusation on GLP that Charles Hall is fake because the provided photo of a Tall White is really a model called Nina Nam Nam.
Anybody know about this? Very disappointing, if true. There have been some people claiming that other details of Hall's story match up to what they know.
Quote from: astr0144 on February 24, 2013, 06:08:39 AM
Well as I think that I understand..
The Bible tells us we come from Adam and Eve ! Did it say if they were any particular color or exactly where they came from ?
Well since the Bible as we know it today was written by the Jews in Aramaic then translated and adopted by the Christians.... and since both Jews and Arabs are Caucasian (White :P) it is assumed that Adam and Eve are white. And since the bible says Adam and Eve where created;
"Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, after our likeness.". It follows that The God of the Jews and the Christans is therefore also White. Since Islam is derived from one of Abraham's son's, that means Allah is also a WhiteGod.
QuoteScience says we ALL came from Africa...
Science says a lot of things. Science has now said they found an earlier man, 250,000 years ago in Siberia... Science also found a race of tall Whites in the desert region of China... a find the Chines tried to cover up by making the area with the graves a nuclear test site :D
QuoteIF so did we all originate from the Black races ? May this have been Adam and Eve ? Or was they a White race in Africa ?
Well play all you want because I know that adam and Eve got to that desert in the middle east via a stargate. :P So that being true, we whites are of off world origin :P
(http://thelivingmoon.com/42stargate/04images/Christian/Expulsion_Paolo.jpg)
Giovanni di Paolo, 1445, Creation of the World & Expulsion from ParadiseQuoteBUT maybe "Zs" suggesting that we may have come from various ETs that maybe why we vary in our Colors !
Hmmm ... maybe !
No IMO white is white Red is Red Yellow is Yellow and Black is Black... There is no logical explanation in the bible how two people of one color that had nothing but incest to procreate for hundreds of years, suddenly made races of other colors and total different features (like the eyes of oriental people as example) There is also no logical evolutionary method short of mutations that could account for this, ESPECIALLY in the relatively short time span presented to us in the Bible.
Incest and inbreeding was later outlawed in that book, but without some addition to the gene pool, the various races COULD NOT have come about the way we are led to believe
As to that professor in Toronto... since I can not verify his results but can only report on the case, I will apologize if this offends anyone....
The professor determined that the black race in Africa is descended form apes, but not the other races. He based this on his analysis that black man had an extra vertebrae. The findings caused a real stir as can be expected) in the press. People called for his head. He was fired from the University and the case went to court. The end result was that the professor was able to prove his case, was rehired back by court order but the whole incident was quickly hushed up. It was big news back in Toronto at the time. But I have not had time to dig back in the newspaper records to find the articles yet.
I could show some images that show the gorilla is still visible in certain African nations :P But that would get me in trouble. :o
But on the PLUS side... it would mean that Black are the TRUE INHABITANTS of Planet Earth and the other races are all Alien or Hybrids :P
Quote from: Pimander on March 11, 2013, 12:54:31 PM
Osiris is a black God!
Anubis is the black God. Egyptian paintings have no problem showing white skinned and black skinned Nubians... they could tell the difference :P
But Osiris is ALWAYS depicted GREEN
(http://th02.deviantart.net/fs71/PRE/i/2011/340/9/1/osiris_and_isis_by_sanio-d4haqkz.jpg)
(http://imagi-creation.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/osiris_color1.jpg)
I am much more interested in finding out why so many ancient gods had Arnold Schwarzenegger type bodies but with Animal heads... in almost all cultures.
Was it a mask they wore (like they show us on StarGate SG1?) or were they real heads?
That is my question because we see them in the Mayans. the Aztecs, The Incas, the Egyptians, Ancient India, the Sumerians, etc. Today we show fat babies and call them Cherubim, but the real Cherubim looked more like the Sphinx.
Something made artists around the world use this same motif. I want to know what that was :D
ETA: Wow did a spelling search and found out Arnold died !!!!
8thman,
I don't think that I am aware of a photo of them !
I did see an image of something / someone when I do a google search for the TWs.. that I had not seen before of what looks like a person covered with white make up...
would this be the photo in question do you know ?
(http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r13/RamATS/eyes.jpg)
QuoteThere is an accusation on GLP that Charles Hall is fake because the provided photo of a Tall White is really a model called Nina Nam Nam.
Thanks for the feedback "Z"..
Not heard about China finding the TWs before...
Is this past remains or recent Live ones ?
I assume that your saying it was a grave site that contained some dead ones in graves that they have since covered up with the NTS...
Quote
Science says a lot of things. Science has now said they found an earlier man, 250,000 years ago in Siberia... Science also found a race of tall Whites in the desert region of China... a find the Chines tried to cover up by making the area with the graves a nuclear test site
trying to find the original sourcer of these pictures
(http://api.ning.com/files/bbYYaacOpLPaIERW2ckTwNAkbHuVtoECx5f8daZvdAdgY634W61jUQLHVp7PjKn2CXqh-cChwJ2bgL2MkneN6QvGN2Nnq36-/anjannaki.jpg)
(http://www.godlikeproductions.com/sm/custom/721f6b7526.jpg)
(http://www.godlikeproductions.com/sm/custom/5110e0e6aa.jpg)
Okay the first two say a report "prepared for S.A.A.L.M" while the third on says "prepared for S.C.A.S.S.A"
Here is a photo of EnLil of S.A.A.L.M
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/49ufo_files/04images/Aliens/EnLil_01a.jpg)
here is the original
(http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/0b1ebAr2rw9lG/610x.jpg)
Yeah "Z",
I came across them the other day.
I don't recall seeing them before ?
Interesting images or photos...
Chances are they some good looking models in disguise...
( Baring the last one you just posted as I was about to post this ! :o )
But If the Talls are for real, that may well be how they would look !
Quote from: astr0144 on April 06, 2013, 03:22:35 AM
Is this past remains or recent Live ones ?
I assume that your saying it was a grave site that contained some dead ones in graves that they have since covered up with the NTS...
Tried to cover up... seems the bombs missed :D
Nordics :D
4,000 YEAR OLD LOST TRIBE
Chinese History: The White Tribes of Ancient China(http://s1.hubimg.com/u/1877740_f260.jpg)
QuoteOne of the most fantastic finds in the last half of the twentieth century, has to be the discovery of a Northern European tribe found in the north east corner of Xinjiang province, near the Celestial mountains and the Taklimakan Desert. This is situated on the edge of the Gobi desert.
QuoteThe faces of the mummies were very well preserved, so, on closer examination, they could see that the were not chinese. They had blonde hair , big eyes, and European noses.
At that time, Chinese tradition had always shown the fact that they believed china had developed independently from the rest of the world. Because of this, the government was reluctant to bring the finds to the public attention.
The most extraordinary thing about the mummies, was the fact that their clothes were in such good condition. A jacket belonging to one man, over three thousand years old, still had a crimson edge. And the women had artificial extensions in their hair.
This tribe was obviously very advanced for it's day. On one of the mummies, there is a scar which shows they had rudimentary skills at operating. It had been sown up with horses hair.
QuoteAnd reading the Chinese texts from 3000 yrs ago (a requirement in school) and the Chinese tales of their origin. They describe almost all of their hero ancestors as with yellow hair, red curly beard, big long ears, and very tall (6 ft to 6'6" based on the length unit at the time). Isn't that a perfect match to these mummies?
http://nell-rose.hubpages.com/hub/The-White-Tribes-of-Ancient-China
The Mummies of Tarim Basin
Xinjiang Province of China
Here is my work on these tall white mummies. They seemed advanced for the time period , almost like they were dropped in out of nowhere. I actually first found these by searching for Chinese weapons test and spotted the grave sites in the NTS area. Since then the news has got out
http://thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/02files/The_Mummies_of_Tarim_Basin.html
Here is the Chinese NTS area showing the grave sites. I guess they figured they could keep people out of the area by making it to 'hot' to search, but didn't actually destroy the sites like they used to under Mao
Co-ords 40°48?44?N 89°47?38?E
(http://thelivingmoon.com/Vault/Mummies_001.png)
Quote from: zorgon on April 06, 2013, 02:36:39 AM
Anubis is the black God. Egyptian paintings have no problem showing white skinned and black skinned Nubians... they could tell the difference :P
But Osiris is ALWAYS depicted GREEN
It is from the Adeptus Minor ritual. "Osiris is a black god."
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/dc/Osiris_E3753_mp3h8689.jpg/400px-Osiris_E3753_mp3h8689.jpg)
Just had a bit of a surprise when I was watching a movie called ...
"The Time Machine 2002" in which there is a creature known as a " Über-Morlock" and it certainly reminds me of a " TALL WHITE "
anyone else agree !
http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100628215539/villains/images/5/58/19-vi1.jpg
http://hendriologi.blogspot.co.uk/2012/08/the-time-machine-learning-hard-way.html
(http://horrornews.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/Time-Machine-photo-6-400x168.jpg)
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8284/7735699228_f26ec639f9_z.jpg)
http://www.albinism.org/popcult/timemachine.jpg
(http://1.fwcdn.pl/ph/10/93/31093/287008.1.jpg)
Quote from: astr0144 on April 24, 2013, 11:06:48 PM
Just had a bit of a surprise when I was watching a movie called ...
"The Time Machine 2002" in which there is a creature known as a " Über-Morlock" and it certainly reminds me of a " TALL WHITE "
anyone else agree !
Very good example of a Tall White now one thing about the Talls is for the first 500 to 600 yrs of there lives there eyes are very bright blue like above but twice the size compared to a human. See a Tall goes thru several Growth phases also the first 300 yrs of their lives they may only be 5Ft 11 to 6Ft 8 those are the ones who can get away with going into the casinos.
When the next growth phase kicks in they are over 7 feet. The when they hit there elderly ages of 600 there eyes turn Pink like an Albino and they grow as tall as 9 Feet tall. At this stage they are down to there last 200 yrs of life and will always be escorted by a younger Tall Whites.
I think the Tall Whites exist and have spent yrs now researching them hoping for new evidence. There are many abduction cases with talls Bill Hamilton was taken at Mail Box road by the Talls and taken to Indian Springs by a Tall named Quaylar ask John Lear bout that one.
That just reminds me of the new SciFi TV show "Defiance" They two have a race of tall whites that came to Earth in the invasion (well actually a refugee mission) Has a game that coincides with the series
"The series and the game feature an interconnected world and storylines that will launch later this year with the release of the game, ahead of the TV series debut. Defiance introduces an exotically transformed planet Earth, its landscapes permanently altered following the sudden – and tumultuous – arrival of seven unique alien races."
(http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/thumbnail_570x321/2012/10/defiance.jpg)
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-bYzZ0OywMYI/UXDxKRhvzsI/AAAAAAAACYI/-_Uskddc-vw/s1600/Defiance2.jpg)
Guess Hollywood is again revealing the truth eh?
::)
Yes i have seen trailers on syfy for this. I thought the same are they telling us about The Talls. The Girl in the above Pics is a perfect Tall White. She seems to be escorting an older Tall White. man I wish I could go up into the mountain ranges of Indian Springs south of Area51.
First 4 minutes of Defiance this is not the show i was thinking of but this is interactive with a game interesting. The ETs do look like Talls. This show looks awesome.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BNZN3KoqbE
Actually that is her husband :P Its a good show. The house they live in is all pure white inside...
And what of the Wraith in Stargate Atlantis?
(http://a2.ec-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/149/47b7b7cc98c64eb7ab78957c3ad4e834/l.jpg)
Seems to me almost every good scifi show has the tall whites in it somewhere.
I don't believe in coincidences 8)
Here she is Stahma Tarr
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0C7e0TNNQw
Ahhh yes, Defiance. I wasn't going to watch it at all, but, as is frequently the case there was nothing on, 100's of satellite channels and noting of real interest; Defiance won by some sort of diabolical default system.
Anyway, I was surprised; when I saw that four of their "alien" creatures can actually be "accounted" for. But, I guess I shouldn't be too surprised, I'm sure the creators of Defiance did the same thing I did when I wrote my paper on ETs visiting Earth. http://alien.wolfmagick.com/documents/notes_on_et_life.aspx (http://alien.wolfmagick.com/documents/notes_on_et_life.aspx). Though still, the Defiance people did seem to get the "character" types right, and keep them in line with the stars I had selected.
For instance, the "Castithans", the washed out Ones (little color) I took as people from the star system Sirius,. Sirius is a class "A0" star; blue-white light spectra, but not read bright. Their world might seem a bit "washed out" to those of us who live under a Yellow star.
Then there is their "caste" system of society. My theory holds that back in the day (8000 years ago) the people of Sirius tried to colonize Earth, and failed. That lead to much of what "is" today, which would include the "caste" system implemented in India.
The others represented in the series also see to "kind of fit", The more colorful Humanoids would be from Capella, a "G8" class star. and the real White guys could be from Lambda Aurigae, a "G1" star.
I'm sort of working on a paper that goes into all this, still gots me some research to do.
From the magical realms, they had elves who were tall and white in lord of the rings and hellboy II. Hellboy II we seen Prince Nuada who had a most prevalent hate for mankind. His twin sister Nuala did not share Nuada's hate for mankind.
In all folk lore we read of these mythical creatures. Finding tall white blue eye people walking in a land we were told never had a being such as that living there should wake up those who want to know.
Whatever our mind imagines, can be once or again on that ruler used to measure realities.
Edit to correct name misspellings.
Hey David, welcome aboard mate.
Dave is an incredible researcher very talented and his videos on The Talls are highly recommended. He does alot of FOIAs and doesn't take No for an answer to easily !! The story of Charles Hall is amazing and these videos help to support what Hall has said all along. :)
Rendalsham?
Did I spell that right :)
Looks like a Tall White asking directions to the colony at Indian Springs, Nevada
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/992882_608663872497343_1354717345_n.jpg)
Its been a while, but its Nice to check back on this thread and see any updates..
Good to see the latest comments and images...
Also Welcome to David Hilton who I know has worked close with Dan (S.I.T.D ) in researching the " Tall Whites "...
Impressive work & videos...
Great work and welcome David H :) looking forward to more information you
may have. intriguing story the Tall Whites & Charles Hall does sound sincere.
Quote from: zorgon on July 11, 2013, 10:38:40 PM
Looks like a Tall White asking directions to the colony at Indian Springs, Nevada
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/992882_608663872497343_1354717345_n.jpg)
Hey Z
Is this picture from a book or an illustration of a story ?? I find it fascinating. The Tall Whites would use a device similar to a Segway but it anti Gravity equivalent if you will. But When The Talls use the Personal Hover Machines they glow just like what the Figure in this picture does.
Thank You. SITD
Charles Hall is doing two talks in Blackpool, England on October 5th and 6th. This is a potential video or voice interview opportunity if one or more of us could attend. Is anybody here still interested in the tall whites? I'm not even sure whether he is going to discuss the Tall Whites here....
One thing that does concern me about Charles Hall's testimony is that now he is talking about two tours of duty he did with the "Grays" as well. I find it unbelievable how much this guy claims to know that he has been allowed to leak :o
QuoteCharles Hall—from the USA - 2.30 pm to 3.45 pm, Saturday October 5th
After a successful tour of Australia, we are delighted to welcome Charles back once again to our Conference. Charles will talk about his two terms of Duty among the 'Grays' and what actually happened at Roswell. He will also discuss the differences between the three groups of extra-terrestrials he has interacted with.
http://www.ukprobe.com/
QuoteCharles Hall—from the USA - 12.00 - 1.30 pm, Sunday October 6th
Another fascinating talk from Charles, fasten your safety belts. Charles will today discuss the truth about 'Crop Circles', how to tell alien craft from ours and answer any remaining questions the audience has
http://www.ukprobe.com/
He is also claiming to know what happened at Roswell, the truth about crop circles. Wow this Charlie is good. :P
oh no pim. :( not an attack of the "greers" ;D
seems to happen alot maybe its this stuff £££££
or spooky mind control ???
Quote from: stealthyaroura on September 26, 2013, 01:50:53 PM
oh no pim. :( not an attack of the "greers" ;D
seems to happen alot maybe its this stuff £££££
or spooky mind control ???
It's £££££ ::)
If I am cycling in Lancashire that weekend I might turn up at the hotel. My burning question is what qualifies Charles Hall to be an expert on crop circles and Roswell as if 3 races of alien wasn't stretching it enough.
ETA: I admit to being intrigued by the tall whites story when I first read it in Nexus Magazine years ago. Funny how they all get the Greers in the end. :P
QuoteMy burning question is what qualifies Charles Hall to be an expert on crop circles and Roswell as if 3 races of alien wasn't stretching it enough.
very well put. exactly. no doubt there will be the DVD to buy for the locked off conference :o
if greer turns up the fire doors will be chained shut! ::)
that was crazy. ???
Quote from: stealthyaroura on September 26, 2013, 02:56:14 PM
very well put. exactly. no doubt there will be the DVD to buy for the locked off conference :o
I could get in and film it secretly. :P
Quoteif greer turns up the fire doors will be chained shut! ::)
Look at the name again... www.ukprobe.com
Perhaps they will be providing a demonstration of the Greys anal and intra penal and intra vaginal probes.... Demonstrated by Greer dressed in full lycra - assisted using audience participation no doubt. No wonder they locked the doors.
Bend over conference, you are about to be shafted by UKProbe. :P
(http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/33862554.jpg)
(http://www.csicop.org/uploads/images/si/GreerMeetAndGreetsix.jpg)
Greer: "No this smile is not surgically enhanced, I just forgot to remove my anal probe.ETA: Did I just blow the chance of a press pass for the conference?
(http://i1284.photobucket.com/albums/a572/paparumbo/anal_zpsb6e0a9dd.png)
Here is an interview after Charles Hall. His wife seems to run the show she reminds me of an alien herself. You can hear Charles wife she's interviewed the first part of Charles Skyped interview with a guy from New Zealand.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2J86w7vOzI
An actual authenticated photograph of a Grey Alien probe.
(http://i1284.photobucket.com/albums/a572/paparumbo/ap_zpse5f1ac7a.jpg)
Charles always has one in his glovebox "just in case" :)
David Hilton is in school full time again and I am only able to get ahold of him on weekends right now. I will post his videos below anyone from Nevada know anything about McKee Construction from back in the 50s 60s 70s 80s they seem to have been the group whom was contracted with The Indian Springs Project $300,000,000 Contract in the early 50s to build the underground facilities.
David is an educated journalist and is the best researcher I have ever met. He doesn't hesitate to fire off FOIAs, he has been digging and come up with some very interesting Have fun watching these videos from David Hilton.
Video 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gLQ8Z6vlUY
Video 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzrwiempTdM
Video 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZGBgSKfD94
Quote from: stealthyaroura on September 26, 2013, 02:56:14 PM
very well put. exactly. no doubt there will be the DVD to buy for the locked off conference :o
if greer turns up the fire doors will be chained shut! ::)
that was crazy. ???
If it wasn't for these concerns I would have attended in Blackpool myself.
How much is the entry fee?
Sorry can't google, posting from Blackberry.
I find it strange that Hall was with The Greys also. Is it possible he was paid a visit and was told to write the book about The Greys to make him look like he is lying? This is what I hate about ufology. Anyone any thoughts? :o
Quote from: ShotInTheDark on September 26, 2013, 04:55:36 PM
I find it strange that Hall was with The Greys also. Is it possible he was paid a visit and was told to write the book about The Greys to make him look like he is lying? This is what I hate about ufology. Anyone any thoughts? :o
My only observation is that he went the same way as most of the others. Greersville!
If you're wondering where David Hilton's videos went, I tried to split the post into a new thread as I noticed he had no replies.
New Tall Whites Videos (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=5277.0)
Quote from: Sinny on September 26, 2013, 04:54:07 PM
If it wasn't for these concerns I would have attended in Blackpool myself.
How much is the entry fee?
Sorry can't google, posting from Blackberry.
Location: Y.M.C.A. - St.Annes
St.Albans Road, Lytham St.Annes -
Nr Blackpool, Lancashire FY8 1XD
Tickets: £19.00 per day or £36.00 for 2 days. Doors open @ 9.30am.
Free car park, lift, bar, café, books, magazines, aura readings, crystal stall
Come join us for a night out!
At the Langdales Hotel St Annes for a social night of Cabaret and drinks. All speakers are staying at The Langsdale Hotel.
Accommodation: B/B & Evening Meal Only £45.00 per night. The Langdales Hotel
318 - 328 Clifton Drive North,
Lytham St Anne's, Lancashire, FY8 2PB
Tel: 01253 721342
www.langdaleshotel.co.uk
www.ukprobe.com
I'd give My left...leg...just to be there with a hidden cam. I would LOVE it!
Hey ShotInTheDark,
Did you ever get my PM about the A51 night vision footage stabilized?
Im not sure i did. You mean the video being stabilized ???
Quote from: A51Watcher on September 29, 2013, 03:24:57 AM
Hey ShotInTheDark,
Did you ever get my PM about the A51 night vision footage stabilized?
Yes its very interesting I looked at it probably 10 times. I wish you would had a camera or the equipment we have today.
NASA guy Clark Mclellend, retired, stated he saw a giant space alien standing in the shuttle bay talking with the astronauts on his monitor. I corresponded with Clark long time ago and stated my belief the landings were fake, he hung up on me.
I think he may have a change of heart now.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUIFrf28CRc
(http://s24.postimg.org/wzsjywrh1/ETinspaceshuttle.jpg)
http://www.stargate-chronicles.com/site/tag/alien/
Thanks Gigans Clarke McClelland I feel saw the tall whites in a craft that looks like a B-2 and in the payload bay of the shuttle. Reason they fly this config is that if a person sees the craft and describes the craft experts will say it was B-2. I thought I posted The Clarke McClelland story along with this thread have to look. I've always believed Clarke because of the coverup NASA did on Clarke. Clarke also mentions the TR-3B is real and followed the shuttle also.
Remember Hall said there is an agreement with the US if we need their help in space to let them know they will help us if we run into a problem. Edgar Mitchell verified Clarke was exactly who he said he was while NASA denied he ever worked there. They took his pension for talking about the 9Ft tall entity looking like a giant human in a spacesuit. John Lear stated that the guy to talk to in his John Lear tells all was none other then Clarke McClelland. Anyone know if Lear is available for comment on Clarke?
A comparison of The B-2 and the craft that the 9Ft entity came from and entered the Payload bay. I remember Clarke saying that this 9Ft tall being was not tethered to anything like the astronauts were.
(http://www.arkcode.com/images/b-2_and_ufo_500x194.jpg)
Here is Clarke on his own YouTube channel talking about the incident.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ReFbVMr2OO0
Here is Clarkes YouTube account Link:
http://www.youtube.com/user/clarkcmcclelland?feature=watch (http://www.youtube.com/user/clarkcmcclelland?feature=watch)
Hey BigP, how are ya.
1994 I saw this 30 or 40 feet above and along side the I-10 highway in tonopah arizona which is roughly 60 miles west of Phoenix on I-10.
(http://worldshadow.us/ufo/azufo2.0.jpg)
(http://worldshadow.us/ufo/azufo4.0.jpg)
(http://worldshadow.us/ufo/azufo5.0.jpg)
Hey Gigas good to hear from you friend its been a while ? The craft you saw sounds and looks similar to The Real Phoenix Lights that took place at 8:15 PM not the show The AF put on at 10 PM. How wide was this craft? and did you make that drawing its amazing?
Gigas by the way my Avatar is similar to what you had seen also that craft in the Avatar is rumored to be a TR-6. I have only heard rumors nothing concrete. Which also looks like The Craft that Clarke C McClelland saw when he worked at NASA.
It was a dark color but not black. The canopy was black and I didn't see anything in the bubble. It had three lights on the leading edge and an intense florescent light strip on either bottom wing tip, one red and one bluish green.
It looked exactly as how I have it depicted.
Wing tip to wing tip about 30-40 feet and front to tail was 15 feet. I would guess it was 7 foot from bottom to top of the canopy. No noise as it flew backwards matching my 65 mph east bound speed. It turned on that center light beam before I saw it. My truck lit up inside and I went WTF as I looked up and to the right out my windsheild where it was above the shoulder of the road.
Quote from: ShotInTheDark on October 01, 2013, 09:24:41 PM
Gigas by the way my Avatar is similar to what you had seen also that craft in the Avatar is rumored to be a TR-6. I have only heard rumors nothing concrete. Which also looks like The Craft that Clarke C McClelland saw when he worked at NASA.
This craft made no noise, had no engine ports and no rear glow of any kind. No forward ports either. It was exactly as I have it drawn. This was 1994 maybe in December. I have to look up the receipt for a camera I bought when I got home in case I were to see something like this again and put it on video.
It turned on that light to make me look up and see it as it banked to its left in a turn to face me as it went backwards.
Very cool and interesting story. Any thoughts on what it may had been?
From the size you say its actually quite small 40 Ft wingspan.
By the way to my cousins David and Jane hello I hope you are reading this right now I want you to think outside the box you have been taught
. Merry Christmas to you and all on the forum. "Live your life With Integrity and without Hate,envy or greed" The Great John Lear.
Dan Benkert. :) 8)
Not seen you online for a while Dan.
Have a good Christmas and New Year to you and all also !.
Quote from: ShotInTheDark on October 01, 2013, 10:16:38 PM
Very cool and interesting story. Any thoughts on what it may had been?
From the size you say its actually quite small 40 Ft wingspan.
Check that Klingon fuzz around that avatar jaw. Where's the 8) dark glasses? :D
Not to distract from the tall whites thread, I'll have to do a full story on that chevron craft from Arizona, later, on a thread of its own.
Gigas and Astro Thank you guys. You both have been inspirational and friends for a long time. And Gigas yes man give us some info.
And I just have not been posting much I find myself on facebook groups I hate to say but man there's just tons of groups who keep me very busy.
Dont get me wrong this is my home, I have never had conflict on here and I attribute that to Zorgons way and style of running things.
By The way did you guys see Lear has a movie coming out? "The Immaculate Deception" ? I could never ever think of a better name John is amazing we should be glad we have him on here its a real honor. 8)
Have a look:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78VXYTR-vCQ
Quote from: Gigas on December 23, 2013, 08:50:53 PM
Check that Klingon fuzz around that avatar jaw. Where's the 8) dark glasses? :D
Not to distract from the tall whites thread, I'll have to do a full story on that chevron craft from Arizona, later, on a thread of its own.
Gigas my friend from many forums ago just for you my friend The Glasses are back up. The Question is tall White or Nordic descendant ?? HaHa. Gigas How are you my friend do you still have my email if not shoot me a PM I'll give it to you lets talk.
Happy Holidays to all of you on The Livingmoon.com/Forum and a special Happy B Days to both John Lear and Zorgon who have birthdays in December same as myself. Im honored to be born in December with such awesome people.
By the way I would like to tell any of you that anything i had said about Robert Scott Lazar in the past I would like to let you know. I took all old Lazar comments down from YouTube.
When I can tell you my reason i will let you know.
Reason its wrong What Happened in the mountains on The 22nd of March 1989 is amazing and Lear saw a flying saucer clear as can be thru his 8 inch Celestron Telescope and really thats what matters not any of the debunk BS.
I'm convinced that anyone who is in projects that are so classified that there is already a DEBUNK plan in the works for any of them who are whistleblowers. Look at Clarke C McClelland SCO NASA. Edgar Mitchell has sworn on affidavit Clarke was there in a very technical position he was fired for talking about The 9 foot tall man in the space Suit in the Shuttle Payload bay. That man was a Tall White there is No Doubt, Clarke was fired after (30 years+ work at NASA). Check out Clarke http://www.stargate-chronicles.com/site/
Some of it may have to do with John Lear. I Quote Lear. "Live Your Life with Integrity , and without Envy , Hate or Greed to move on to the next phase of the journey our souls take. You know what this works.
Living in negativity will make you negative now thing is where did John Lear learn this? Was it Lou Baldin ?
I think so and he was right life can change and amazing changes may happen within and new paths of understanding take place.
Spend time with family wisely because the earth is going through a massive collective change right now. Thing is who will win ?
Happy Holidays to all of You, Dan Benkert.
Good to hear from ya shots!
what is it with all the december birthdays!!!? ME TOO the 9th 8)
maybe we should do a poll on which month has the most member birthdays?
its gotta be december :D
a Lear film/doc Hmmmm interesting! nice one for the heads up!
have a good un mate!
Dan , Thanks or the info / updates...
I am sure that will be a good film of Johns. Hope that we can get to see it soon ...
QuoteBy The way did you guys see Lear has a movie coming out? "The Immaculate Deception" ? I could never ever think of a better name John is amazing we should be glad we have him on here its a real honor.
That is an interesting what you say about cover stories , I think I follow what your referring to & its an Impressive website on Clarke McClelland...It is some time since I recall seeing it, thanks for the reminder !
QuoteLook at Clarke C McClelland SCO NASA. Edgar Mitchell has sworn on affidavit Clarke was there in a very technical position he was fired for talking about The 9 foot tall man in the space Suit in the Shuttle Payload bay. That man was a Tall White there is No Doubt, Clarke was fired after (30 years+ work at NASA). Check out Clarke http://www.stargate-chronicles.com/site/
Very interesting, the mind is boggled 8)
The b-2 and later models would probably have had space flight ability, as they used an electro-gravitic drive in combination with something called a flame jet generator, in addition to the normal engines, which are turned off in space;
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/inventors_group/images/ODD/B2field.JPG)
So yes it can run silently (the FJG is only used for high speed & space travel) and it can go much faster & much higher than they claim.
Then you have more advanced stuff like the TR3-b, which really is ET tech :o
Now most of these have a 150+ foot wingspan so the one you saw Gigas must have been our version of the 'sports model' :-X
Happy birthday to all Decemberians, and see y'all next year ;D
Quote from: stealthyaroura on December 25, 2013, 12:27:47 AM
Good to hear from ya shots!
what is it with all the december birthdays!!!? ME TOO the 9th 8)
maybe we should do a poll on which month has the most member birthdays?
its gotta be december :D
a Lear film/doc Hmmmm interesting! nice one for the heads up!
have a good un mate!
Yes I had noticed years back that the month of December coincides with a ton of believers. Just a few here is me you Lear , Zorgon thing is I can't recall anyone elses Bday. And Im glad to post here, I like the forum and the quality of people and aliens on here ;)
Quote from: Gigas on December 23, 2013, 08:50:53 PM
Check that Klingon fuzz around that avatar jaw. Where's the 8) dark glasses? :D
Not to distract from the tall whites thread, I'll have to do a full story on that chevron craft from Arizona, later, on a thread of its own.
Black Glasses back on brother!!
Quote from: PlaysWithMachines on December 29, 2013, 10:04:19 PM
Very interesting, the mind is boggled 8)
The b-2 and later models would probably have had space flight ability, as they used an electro-gravitic drive in combination with something called a flame jet generator, in addition to the normal engines, which are turned off in space;
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/inventors_group/images/ODD/B2field.JPG)
So yes it can run silently (the FJG is only used for high speed & space travel) and it can go much faster & much higher than they claim.
Then you have more advanced stuff like the TR3-b, which really is ET tech :o
Now most of these have a 150+ foot wingspan so the one you saw Gigas must have been our version of the 'sports model' :-X
Happy birthday to all Decemberians, and see y'all next year ;D
Nick Cook writer for "Janes Defense weekly was convinced that there were B-2 like craft with ant gravity Propulsion in the wings. Nick Cook wrote a book called "The Hunt for Zero Point Energy". He was also in several great documentaries and knows what hes talking about and has some great contacts. Let me dig into my files here:
This is very cool and you have to watch this !!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSee4pee8_4
I believe that what Clarke McClelland said is true and I also think Nick Cook had done somone of the best investigations of B2s with antigravity. Now where these made for The Talls and employ an anti gravity propulsion to get to the Shuttle in case of trouble?? Whats brilliant is that if a person describes the craft flying in the sky it would be shrugged off as a B2. When in Actuality its probably larger then a B2.
And in the above at 50:00 Video officer Lonnie Zamora saw a craft which they depict as a disc shaped craft in New Mexico. Well major problem if you look into the real case about Lonnie Zamora he saw a classic Tall White Egg shaped craft.
Have a look:
(http://www.cufon.org/contributors/chrisl/images/socorro_painting.jpg)
Here's The link to The Lonnie Zamora Story: http://www.ufoevidence.org/cases/case90.htm
I would just like to know why mainstream ses it as a Disc which it was not even close to being a disc. and fits the shape and look of a Tall White craft actually in the town Charles Hall lives Albuquerque NM. These are just thoughts i find very interesting correlations.
this comes with a little saying that sits atop my computer
I Know you believe you understand what you think i said,
but I'm not sure you realize ~ that what you heard
is not what i meant.!
ok here's the article.. have a chuckle..lots of embedded stuff at the link
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/01/13/iran-nsa-aliens_n_4590910.html?utm_hp_ref=world
Iran's Fars News Touts NSA Alien Conspiracies
Posted: 01/13/2014 5:45 pm EST | Updated: 01/13/2014 5:51 pm EST
Mining conspiracy-theory-peddling websites based in the United States, Iran's semi-official Fars news agency published a series of bizarre claims regarding Edward Snowden's NSA leaks on Sunday.
A first report published by the news agency over the weekend claimed that documents analyzed by the Russian intelligence services "prove" that U.S. policy is driven by an "alien/extraterrestrial intelligence agenda." The NSA's electronic surveillance is designed to cover up the alien conspiracy, the report continues, while the extraterrestrials plan for total world domination.
A few hours later Fars published a new story on aliens and the NSA, but this time the aliens are the victims. According to this second Fars report, Edward Snowden is unconsciously transmitting subliminal messages about a "false flag" plot to weaponize space. The report adds that the PRISM surveillance system collects UFO contact data, with the goal of creating a hoax alien invasion to justify space wars and ultimately, domination of the entire solar system.
Yes, that is one heck of morning for the alien news desk at Fars.
Thankfully, Fars' source material may help us all sleep a little easier. The first story was copied word-for-word from a conspiracy-theorist website called whatdoesitmean.com. The site is registered in the U.S. and describes itself as the site of The Order of Sorcha Faal, an organization supposedly established in Ireland in 588 BCE by the oldest daughter of the King Zedekiah.
The second Fars report is copied from a 6-month-old blog on Examiner.com, another U.S.-based site well-known for outlandish stories.
Fars is known for reproducing some of the wildest stories on the internet and presenting them as bylined reportage. Some of them are funny, like the story of an Iranian scientist who invented a laptop-sized time machine (Fars later removed this story). Others are more ominous, such as the report about a nun who claims that Syrian rebels are selling vials of Christian blood to Saudi clients which was reproduced from a U.S. website best-known for its skepticism of Obama's citizenship.
This editorial policy has come back to bite Fars in the past. In 2012, the news agency faced widespread ridicule for presenting as fact a story from satirical website The Onion that most rural white Americans prefer Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad to President Obama.
(h/t Washington Post/Max Fisher)
http://english.farsnews.com/newstext.aspx?nn=13921021000393 (http://english.farsnews.com/newstext.aspx?nn=13921021000393)a little present for this thread.
Basically iran is saying snowden has evidence of tall whites.
Quote from: robomont on January 14, 2014, 06:38:49 PM
http://english.farsnews.com/newstext.aspx?nn=13921021000393 (http://english.farsnews.com/newstext.aspx?nn=13921021000393)a little present for this thread.
Basically iran is saying snowden has evidence of tall whites.
Snowden Documents Prove "US-Alien-Agenda" is Driving US Policies, Revelation Stuns Russia
http://www.educatinghumanity.com/2014/01/Iranian-UFO-Disclosure-ET-Setting-US-Policy.html
Already going viral on Farcebook but most people are laughing at it
The Voice of Russia
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151907634058310&set=a.422364578309.191548.311360548309&type=1
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Quote from: robomont on January 14, 2014, 06:38:49 PM
Basically iran is saying snowden has evidence of tall whites.
From your link....
A stunning Federal Security Services (FSB) report on the nearly two million highly classified top-secret documents obtained from the United States Department of Defense (DOD) run National Security Agency-Central Security Service (NSA/CSS) by the American ex-patriot Edward Snowden states that this information is providing "incontrovertible proof" that an "alien/extraterrestrial intelligence agenda" is driving US domestic and international policy, and has been doing so since at least 1945, Whatdoesitmean.com reported.
SORCHA FALL LOL
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=6013.0
general topics... this morning.. buried alive with no comments
well s h i ttttttttt why should i bother..
sigh ::)
how fast things can get screwed up
(Read 27 times) sky otter
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Hero Member
how fast things can get screwed up
this comes with a little saying that sits atop my computer
I Know you believe you understand what you think i said,
but I'm not sure you realize ~ that what you heard
is not what i meant.!
ok here's the article.. have a chuckle..lots of embedded stuff at the link
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/01/13/iran-nsa-aliens_n_4590910.html?utm_hp_ref=world
Iran's Fars News Touts NSA Alien Conspiracies
Posted: 01/13/2014 5:45 pm EST | Updated: 01/13/2014 5:51 pm EST
Mining conspiracy-theory-peddling websites based in the United States, Iran's semi-official Fars news agency published a series of bizarre claims regarding Edward Snowden's NSA leaks on Sunday.
A first report published by the news agency over the weekend claimed that documents analyzed by the Russian intelligence services "prove" that U.S. policy is driven by an "alien/extraterrestrial intelligence agenda." The NSA's electronic surveillance is designed to cover up the alien conspiracy, the report continues, while the extraterrestrials plan for total world domination.
A few hours later Fars published a new story on aliens and the NSA, but this time the aliens are the victims. According to this second Fars report, Edward Snowden is unconsciously transmitting subliminal messages about a "false flag" plot to weaponize space. The report adds that the PRISM surveillance system collects UFO contact data, with the goal of creating a hoax alien invasion to justify space wars and ultimately, domination of the entire solar system.
Yes, that is one heck of morning for the alien news desk at Fars.
Thankfully, Fars' source material may help us all sleep a little easier. The first story was copied word-for-word from a conspiracy-theorist website called whatdoesitmean.com. The site is registered in the U.S. and describes itself as the site of The Order of Sorcha Faal, an organization supposedly established in Ireland in 588 BCE by the oldest daughter of the King Zedekiah.
The second Fars report is copied from a 6-month-old blog on Examiner.com, another U.S.-based site well-known for outlandish stories.
Fars is known for reproducing some of the wildest stories on the internet and presenting them as bylined reportage. Some of them are funny, like the story of an Iranian scientist who invented a laptop-sized time machine (Fars later removed this story). Others are more ominous, such as the report about a nun who claims that Syrian rebels are selling vials of Christian blood to Saudi clients which was reproduced from a U.S. website best-known for its skepticism of Obama's citizenship.
This editorial policy has come back to bite Fars in the past. In 2012, the news agency faced widespread ridicule for presenting as fact a story from satirical website The Onion that most rural white Americans prefer Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad to President Obama.
(h/t Washington Post/Max Fisher)
Quote from: sky otter on January 14, 2014, 07:32:05 PM
general topics... this morning.. buried alive with no comments
well s h i ttttttttt why should i bother..
sigh ::)
Merged it :D Puts you first in here :D
but you DID get "(Read 27 times) sky otter "
::)
If this is true this is huge !!!! I want to see some information confirming this for sure.
Quote from: ShotInTheDark on January 14, 2014, 08:13:30 PM
If this is true this is huge !!!! I want to see some information confirming this for sure.
Source is Sorcha Fall I am sure Voice of Russia and FARS are both propaganda machines
Ex Canadian Minister Paul Hellyer talks about The Tall Whites back during the Citizen Hearing and wierd thing is no one noticed any of this because it took place right at the time of the Boston Bombings. ???
This is the highest ranking member of Govt to ever talk about Aliens publicly and whistleblow.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LcbCafpvIT0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LcbCafpvIT0
Sorcha fall is such a fail.
But i jost got done watching 70 minute interview from 2013 with charles hall.he sounded truthful but no vid of him to see if he has a tell when he lies.so i give it 50/50.
Quote from: robomont on January 14, 2014, 08:28:21 PM
Sorcha fall is such a fail.
But i jost got done watching 70 minute interview from 2013 with charles hall.he sounded truthful but no vid of him to see if he has a tell when he lies.so i give it 50/50.
I think its my first post there's a long video of him at The IUFOC in 2005 you should really take a look atthis from the beginning its been an interesting trip. I believe him 100%.
Link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31KKZvWvS8I
Charles Hall is real but the SNOWDEN story is BS
Quote from: zorgon on January 14, 2014, 08:35:36 PM
Charles Hall is real but the SNOWDEN story is BS
I think you're right. Yes Hall is truth full I believe the same.
Yeah but I always wondered about the gambling in Vegas
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Quote from: zorgon on January 14, 2014, 08:35:36 PM
Charles Hall is real but the SNOWDEN story is BS
Yeah.
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_ZOwnzvDYQ40/TTSwcajuiMI/AAAAAAAABgI/y6py0zVs9_A/s1600/David-Booth.jpg)
David Booth AKA Sorcha Faal, work adding noise into informations, that sometimes may be true.
QuoteSo why does David Booth do what he does? To understand this you have to understand the nature of COINTELPRO, and how it relates to his "work". In order to do this I am going to have to dissect one of Sorcha Faal's articles, and show you how it is used in COINTELPRO.
and
QuoteThis is what Sorcha Faal / David Booth does – he sets up straw man articles in order to discredit any real information we do get. Does not matter if all our sources that we actually do glean our intelligence from are sound. the Sorcha Faal Straw Man Article exists, and will be used by COINTELPRO to discredit whatever real intelligence we get.
Source -->http://redactednews.blogspot.com.br/2011/01/sorcha-faal-intelligence-briefs-or.html (http://redactednews.blogspot.com.br/2011/01/sorcha-faal-intelligence-briefs-or.html)
Quote from: Sgt.Rocknroll on January 14, 2014, 09:01:06 PM
Yeah but I always wondered about the gambling in Vegas
That is what pays our income taxes :D
Here is more preditions... from the Tall Whites of the 9th dimensional Pleiadian Collective, channeled by Wendy Kennedy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3kdkotNTg4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3kdkotNTg4
FYI coast2coast this coming Monday:
Tall White ETs
Date: 01-20-14
Host: George Noory
Guests: Charles Hall
Nuclear physicist, Charles Hall, experienced a series of encounters with a race of human-like extraterrestrials known as the "Tall Whites" during a two year assignment at Nellis Air Force Base from 1965 to 1967. He will discuss the nature of these beings and how his experience ties in with the Snowden revelations, that the Tall Whites have a powerful influence over our government and world affairs.
Be sure to tune in Sunday with George Knapp for Brad Steiger and Bill Birnes on coast.
I wonder if Jordan Maxwell ran into a tall white back in 1959 when he encountered a rather strange family when he moved to California.
I slap chop this video together so you can hear Jordan explain it in his own words. I used winamp with the reel to reel skin screen recorded and uploaded as a video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Vns1zDWCrQ
QuoteCharles Hall is real but the SNOWDEN story is BS
I have not read in full detail or put in the time to try to think things through as yet..so I am not quite sure why you say Snowden story is BS.
I am well behind in keeping up on so many topics..
Is it because its something released by the Russians after he came out with his stories and moved to Russia and maybe spoke in connection with their media ( who may have in turn recreated some facts to get at the USA)
But if Snowden has actually made claims that the Tall Whites exist..again that to me is quite a surprise but at the same time would possibly strengthen Charles Halls story..
so I am not sure why you are saying Snowdens story is BS
On a quick browse in the article...it also refers to Minister Hellyers statements..(Which seem quite amazing to me he says such things if people in his position are supposed to withhold such info to the public.
If the "Tall Whites" were real & involved in bad things like the Nazis...Then they seem as a threat to us...rather than a Alien race just wanting to help Us humans.. or did Bad humans take their technology and try to use it to take control of the world.. and maybe still are doing !
QuoteEven though Defense Minister Hellyer's exact statements to the FSB in regards to Snowden's documents remain classified, shortly after his "extensive electronic interview" by the FSB he was allowed to appear on Russia Today's program SophieCo this past fortnight where he shockingly admitted that aliens have "been visiting our planet for thousands of years" and described several types of these extraterrestrials, including "Tall Whites" who are working with the US Air Force in Nevada. - See more at: http://www.educatinghumanity.com/2014/01/Iranian-UFO-Disclosure-ET-Setting-US-Policy.html#sthash.V69mRmcg.dpuf
QuoteOf the many explosive revelations in this FSB report, the one most concerning to Russian authorities are the Snowden's documents "confirming" that the "Tall Whites" (further revealed by Defense Minister Hellyer as noted above) are the same extraterrestrial alien race behind the stunning rise of Nazi Germany during the 1930's.
In just one example of the many outlined in this FSB report, it shows that with this "alien assistance," at the end of the 1930's, when Nazi Germany possessed just 57 submarines, over the four years of World War II it built 1,163 modern technologically advanced submarines at its dockyards and even put them into operation.
Snowden's documents further confirm, this report says, the "Tall Whites" (Nordic) meetings in 1954 with US President Dwight D. Eisenhower where the "secret regime" currently ruling over America was established.
Most disturbingly, this FSB report warns, is that the "Tall White" agenda being implemented by the "secret regime" ruling the United States calls for the creation of a global electronic surveillance system meant to hide all true information about their presence here on earth as they enter into what one of Snowden's documents calls the "final phase" of their end plan for total assimilation and world rule. - See more at: http://www.educatinghumanity.com/2014/01/Iranian-UFO-Disclosure-ET-Setting-US-Policy.html#sthash.V69mRmcg.dpuf
QuoteSnowden Documents Prove "US-Alien-Agenda" is Driving US Policies, Revelation Stuns Russia
http://www.educatinghumanity.com/2014/01/Iranian-UFO-Disclosure-ET-Setting-US-Policy.html
The Interview with Canada's defence Minister Hellyer was certainly interesting but rather unusual in the fact that as far as I understand that he is the 1st of his kind to acknowledge Alien / UFOs are or have visited Planet Earth. So he is one that does not appear to go along with Gov cover ups..
It was said that Russian info Fars or maybe TV may be suspect / unreliable source..
But this was done on Russia's Today's Program SopieCo...This seemed unusual if they are speaking in perfect English (Not sure why they either did not speak it in Russian or have it translated if Live TV )but it was well produced and looked legit...That I would not think that looked suspect !
Although Mr Hellyer spoke at length about Aliens and UFOs...most of what seemed valid was either in ref to Charles Hall or other well known sources who made such claims like Edgar Mitchell..
He did not really cover anything we have not come across before...or show any true evidence IMO....as interesting as some of the things that he related to in terms of his indication of him wanting disclosure to let the World know !..
But it MAY be a step closer towards it if what has been suggested is true.
QuoteEven though Defense Minister Hellyer's exact statements to the FSB in regards to Snowden's documents remain classified, shortly after his "extensive electronic interview" by the FSB he was allowed to appear on Russia Today's program SophieCo this past fortnight where he shockingly admitted that aliens have "been visiting our planet for thousands of years" and described several types of these extraterrestrials, including "Tall Whites" who are working with the US Air Force in Nevada. - See more at: http://www.educatinghumanity.com/2014/01/Iranian-UFO-Disclosure-ET-Setting-US-Policy.html#sthash.p8SFQwsk.dpuf
Hello everyone,
I just wanted to let everyone on the forum know that Charles Hall will be on Coast 2Coast tonight the 2nd half which east coast will be 3am west coast is Midnight. Should be good.
http://www.coasttocoastam.com/article/the-tall-whites
Quote from: ShotInTheDark on January 21, 2014, 01:10:19 AM
Hello everyone,
I just wanted to let everyone on the forum know that Charles Hall will be on Coast 2Coast tonight the 2nd half which east coast will be 3am west coast is Midnight. Should be good.
http://www.coasttocoastam.com/article/the-tall-whites
Hey guy, how are ya. Going good here so far. Thanks for bumpin the tall white show cause I'm rather excited to hear what this is all about. This reality is purposely weirder than one can see. I got an email from ed a week ago for some show they were doing. You still hangin out there. I been away for a long time so don't know anything of whats going on there.
I been away ever since I had a forum fight over at nexus 2012 and they took my IP and asked ed if that was me and ed came unglued and emailed me asking what was I doing at 2012 cause they were friends.
Hey, the 2012 gang jumped me so I went into defensive status and ruffled their comfort zones. The whole thing was over dan burish and someone being killed in his circle.
AS forum is gone. Alienscientist and Ed don't get along any longer and Jeremy went on attack mode over an email Ed had sent. The whole thing is ridiculous. I was never on Nexus. Hall is on right now brother .
Quote from: ShotInTheDark on January 21, 2014, 08:17:35 AM
AS forum is gone. Alienscientist and Ed don't get along any longer and Jeremy went on attack mode over an email Ed had sent. The whole thing is ridiculous. I was never on Nexus. Hall is on right now brother .
I only discovered AlienScientist Forum the other day whilst mooching a look at some Lear bashing aha.. Disappointed to see I missed my opportunity to join in various discussions.
After 4 years of extensive UFO/Alien research... I've decided my head hurts :-X
Quote from: astr0144 on January 20, 2014, 03:43:28 PM
so I am not sure why you are saying Snowdens story is BS
I think he means to insinuate that Snowden is
Controlled Opposition, when Snowdens story first broke, Russia were the first to come forward and say his 'revelations' weren't new.
Quote from: Sinny on January 21, 2014, 02:17:01 PM
I only discovered AlienScientist Forum the other day whilst mooching a look at some Lear bashing aha.. Disappointed to see I missed my opportunity to join in various discussions.
After 4 years of extensive UFO/Alien research...I've decided my head hurts :-X
Yes, it will do that to you.
The laws of information makes sure no one is allowed to reveal true facts without being pounded back down to silence. The human experience is charged by violent rebuttal to unbalance the equations of truth and lies. This realm is based upon deception where truth has no place for the very ones who think, they want to know, by naturally swallowing lies, over the truth.
Quote from: ShotInTheDark on January 21, 2014, 08:17:35 AM
AS forum is gone. Alienscientist and Ed don't get along any longer and Jeremy went on attack mode over an email Ed had sent. The whole thing is ridiculous. I was never on Nexus. Hall is on right now brother .
I'm rather disappointed with charles hall.
I kept falling asleep with his sputtering around and breaking up when talking. This guy sounds afraid and broken as if Mk-ultra'd
Thank for your thoughts on it Sinny, I was suspecting maybe something along those lines, but not certain !
QuoteI think he means to insinuate that Snowden is Controlled Opposition, when Snowdens story first broke, Russia were the first to come forward and say his 'revelations' weren't new.
It seems a never ending search..Frustrating at times and one wonders just how much we know or think we know including all the info we have on PRC..against what we don't know...
Before the Internet & the latest TV UFO documentaries, we would know far less that's a fact. We must be the generation with the best chance of all so far of obtaining any true evidence if it exists...
At times it seems like a dream and as if we take it as all being reality in our minds of wanting to believe it is truth whether it is or not..or that sometimes that is as it appears to me...
What would we be like after 20 to 30 years if we still do not have answers ? ???
QuoteAfter 4 years of extensive UFO/Alien research... I've decided my head hurts
Unfortunately being overseas many of us could not listen in to C2C...
Hopefully it may be posted on YT...
I wondered if he said anything much different from the basis of his normal story ....
Sometimes C.Hs voice can seem a bit low...Dan does say he has not been too well recently, that may also explain some things..
QuoteI'm rather disappointed with charles hall.
It's not what you know, or don't know, but what you know that isn't so, that will hurt you.
Will Rodgers 1938
Thks for adding in that additional quote of wisdom Norval,
certainly could be seen as true... :)
Just trying to compare it against something that I said !
QuoteIt's not what you know, or don't know, but what you know that isn't so, that will hurt you.
Will Rodgers 1938
QuoteFrustrating at times and one wonders just how much we know or think we know including all the info we have on PRC..against what we don't know...
Quote from: Sinny on January 21, 2014, 02:17:01 PM
I only discovered AlienScientist Forum the other day whilst mooching a look at some Lear bashing aha.. Disappointed to see I missed my opportunity to join in various discussions.
After 4 years of extensive UFO/Alien research... I've decided my head hurts :-X
Where have you seen Alienscientist forum its been down 100% for over a month? You actually saw the first version which was on Proboards didn't stay on there but for maybe a week i remember i was one of the 4 guys who started The AS Forum. http://alienscientist.proboards.com/index.cgi
The AS Forum with thousands of posts is now gone. Heres the AS Forum Link: http://www.alienscientist.com/forum/forum.php
Quote from: Sinny on January 21, 2014, 02:17:01 PM
After 4 years of extensive UFO/Alien research... I've decided my head hurts :-X
Wait till you do it for 10 to 20 yrs if you can make it that long and then see how your head feels. I have given up a number of times. Their is way more disinfo then ever. YouTube UFO videos 99% of them are fake that has just added a whole new realm that the Govt loves to muddying the waters.
The largest offenders of fake YouTube videos is 2 brothers (jerks) named Blake & Brent Cousins they makes a nice chunk of change from their BS on YT videos blatant hoaxes. I hate to even give them a plug but they are ThirdPhaseofmoon on YT.
Quote from: ShotInTheDark on January 22, 2014, 08:23:58 AM
Wait till you do it for 10 to 20 yrs if you can make it that long and then see how your head feels. I have given up a number of times. Their is way more disinfo then ever. YouTube UFO videos 99% of them are fake that has just added a whole new realm that the Govt loves to muddying the waters.
The largest offenders of fake YouTube videos is 2 brothers (jerks) named Blake & Brent Cousins they makes a nice chunk of change from their BS on YT videos blatant hoaxes. I hate to even give them a plug but they are ThirdPhaseofmoon on YT.
Yea, I must have found the Proboards - Didn't really pay attention to the URL's - I have a few threads book marked on my laptop back home.
Gosh - I'm scared to think what my head will be full of in years to come :o
In regards to Youtube UFO vids - Yea, lotsa fakes - makes you wonder why some people have to fill their sad little lives with goofs, rather than actually going out and getting a life.. However, having said that - If you know what your looking for there's a bounty of real vids to be found.
I've been looking up vids from sightings in the UK - safe to say I'm not the only one witnessing orbs popping out of clouds and tailing planes, thousands are reporting and evidencing the same.
My next hunt is to find a video of the 'silver cigar shaped' craft that seem to accompany the orbs.
I've mentioned previously; I had witnessed these cigar craft but passed them off as planes without wings ( ::) ) because I'm a dork like that ;D
UFO's are pretty much in abundance now - I think by the time Im in my 60's the 'World Government' will be
physically unable to dispute the visual and qualitive evidence. Maybe my head ache will be cured in old age... If i'm not nuked, chem-bombed, or in an internment camp that is.. I might even get to see the rise of the Fourth Reich ;)
I don't know if anybody has mentioned this, but the story of the tall whites working with the Germans fits in quite nicely with the stories of the Vril. Even the nazi scientists said they had "outside" help and I think there has been posts about the Vril on this site before. Utilization of Vril energy is ETHER physics. Interesting dots that connect there. Sometimes truth is stranger than fiction.
Mikado on the Token?
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ltr3tqHgy41qdmciqo1_1280.png)
::)
Quote from: COSMO on January 22, 2014, 05:02:49 PM
I don't know if anybody has mentioned this, but the story of the tall whites working with the Germans fits in quite nicely with the stories of the Vril. Even the nazi scientists said they had "outside" help and I think there has been posts about the Vril on this site before. Utilization of Vril energy is ETHER physics. Interesting dots that connect there. Sometimes truth is stranger than fiction.
::)
Awesome.
This is the line I've been following for some weeks. I wanted to know why so many aliens 'preferred' the German language ::)
Besides that, I'm pretty certain that's not the end of the story - we're talking factions, ET factions - sounds mental, but then again the truth is stranger than fiction.
Yup, my head hurts.
Quote from: Sinny on January 22, 2014, 12:28:57 PM
Snip, Cut, Snip
Gosh - I'm scared to think what my head will be full of in years to come :o
Cut, Snip, Snip, Cut
UFO's are pretty much in abundance now - I think by the time Im in my 60's the 'World Government' will be physically unable to dispute the visual and qualitive evidence. Maybe my head ache will be cured in old age... If i'm not nuked, chem-bombed, or in an internment camp that is.. I might even get to see the rise of the Fourth Reich ;)
The powers that be will have you neuralized long before then by some tv, tablet, and publicly networked computer screen. Then you will believe anything your visual aides report and solemnly obey without question.
Quote from: COSMO on January 22, 2014, 05:02:49 PM
I don't know if anybody has mentioned this, but the story of the tall whites working with the Germans fits in quite nicely with the stories of the Vril. Even the nazi scientists said they had "outside" help and I think there has been posts about the Vril on this site before. Utilization of Vril energy is ETHER physics. Interesting dots that connect there. Sometimes truth is stranger than fiction.
Mikado on the Token?
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ltr3tqHgy41qdmciqo1_1280.png)
::)
Elves are right out a german fork lore and all of europe has some kind of myth for fairies and elves. Something to do with mountains, and germany has the urals with hilters lair being in the mountains. Mountains have a mystic reference in every civilizations recorded history.
Gobekli Tepe, nazca lines, machu picchu. What kind of creature lived in places not easily trekked by early humans.
Hello everyone. New on the boards here, and am in awe of all of the brilliant information that can be found here. After viewing Paul Hellyer's video last week, I'm currently engrossed in Charles Hull's first book, and although I'm having a hard time putting it down, there are a few issues that I'm having a hard time with. There was another post outside of this thread that poses the same question that I came here looking to hopefully have answered. It was as follows.
Quote from: RiTz21 on December 28, 2013, 06:48:12 PM
Hi folks, newbie here :)
I've started reading Millennial Hospitality 1 after listening to videos about Mr. Charles Hall, and although the 'book' starts off saying it was a work of Fiction, Mr. Hall says in interviews that the books are "all real'.
Now, assuming the latter, in his Millennial Hospitality 1 book, he says that he helped with a couple of Boeing 707 landing under very though meteorological conditions. At the 'conclusion' of those landings, he says that many came to thank him for saving their lives, and that TV crews and reporters were present. My question is:
If reporters/TV crews were present, are there *any existing* archives about these 'reported' events in newspapers of the time or old TV archives???
Happy Holidays!
RiTz21
Has ANY of the several hundred people come forward to verify that this happened? It seems like something of that magnitude, involving close to a thousand people would surface
somewhere, no?
Thanks for giving my post a read.
Cheers!
Quote from: WTHiTT? on February 25, 2014, 09:15:46 PM
Hello everyone. New on the boards here, and am in awe of all of the brilliant information that can be found here. After viewing Paul Hellyer's video last week, I'm currently engrossed in Charles Hull's first book, and although I'm having a hard time putting it down, there are a few issues that I'm having a hard time with. There was another post outside of this thread that poses the same question that I came here looking to hopefully have answered. It was as follows.
Has ANY of the several hundred people come forward to verify that this happened? It seems like something of that magnitude, involving close to a thousand people would surface somewhere, no?
Thanks for giving my post a read.
Cheers!
Hey there,
Sorry I don't have any answers for you, this is one case I'm yet to sink my teeth into. If there is one thing I will advise, it's don't invest too much time on a particular case.. I'm a victim of a few obsessions! Lol ;D
Although I have been waiting for this one to get debunked...
Something different! 8)
Modern Physics Unknown to Albert Einstein
The Hall Theory of Photon structure
Charles James Hall
Master of arts
Nuclear physics
http://openseti.org/Docs/Hall_Photon_Science_Paper_B.pdf
After you read the paper, consider the Summary....
'This is what caught my poorly trained eye'
'Spacecraft designed in accordance with an understanding of these physical
laws and Hall Photon Theory would be capable of taking off from earth,
quickly accelerating within a few hours to velocities greater than the speed of
light without having any negative impact on the well being of the occupants.
Such spacecraft out in the vastness of space would be capable of maintaining
speeds greatly in excess of the speed of light for long durations. They would
be able to quickly slow down to ordinary sub-light speeds, and then, land at
their destination. During the entire process, time would not slow down nor
would it flow backwards. The energy and fuel requirements would not march
off to infinity. Neither would the mass of the spacecraft march off to infinity.
Such spacecraft would have a double hull construction with several sets of
optical fiber windings between the two hulls. One set of windings is used to
create a uniform surrounding force field that streamlines the spacecraft. This
streamlining allows the craft to move smoothly through space itself. The
other sets of windings generate the force fields that are used to propel and
guide the craft on its journey. Spacecraft of this type of construction could
readily be built and placed into service using today?s technology.'
Lots of Math in that PDF to play with.
Hey Sarge, didn't some one here post a UFO based on this?
Not sure. Probably. But Dr. Resnick posted it and said he agrees with the premise.
I always figured old Einies "theory" about faster than light travel was about as valid as those that said that the sound barrier couldn't be broken. ::)
Not read it all or claim to understand it all ...It would take some time to try and do so...But Certainly some very interesting ideas & theories.
I just want to check if readers know who and what the author who wrote this is most well known for ?
I had not been aware that he had wrote such material...or that it was available online.. 8)
It may be that he obtained some of this info from another source !
Now you're getting it! ;)
Quote from: Norval on May 31, 2014, 05:46:26 AM
I always figured old Einies "theory" about faster than light travel was about as valid as those that said that the sound barrier couldn't be broken. ::)
Hehe, he said einies! :P
Seriously though, this is true, and the same goes for lightspeed, which is definitely hotly debated as to if it can be exceeded at its so called state of travel, when it does not travel at all.
Posting this here but can be moved to its proper place by the Mods/Admins...
Received an email from Dr. Resnick this morning and he told be I could post these to Peggy....
Dr. Resnick has been following Charles Hall and the Tall Whites and they're technology......Enjoy...
The first letter is addressed to Charles Hall. The second letter is exactly the same but addressed to 'The Teacher'...
Dr. Joseph A. Resnick
1016 NC Highway 268
Lenoir, NC 28645
March 7, 2014
Mr. Charles James Hall
11500 Jewel Cave Rd. SE,
Albuquerque, N.M. 87123
Dear Charles,
By way of introduction please see http://drjosephresnickcurriculumvitae.weebly.com/ and www.rmannco.com .
Only recently have I become aware of the http://www.millennialhospitality.com series and the Hall Photon Theory. And I did take the time to watch several of the video presentations available on youtube.com re your experience(s) with 'Tall Whites'. I found these to be both interesting and credible as well. And thank you for sharing this information.
I found a copy of your Paper on HPT at http://openseti.org/Docs/Hall_Photon_Science_Paper_B.pdf and took the liberty of printing-off a copy and am involved in the personal study of same. Likewise, I have shared this information with my Colleagues, Dr Valarie Golovichev and Dr. Claudio Bruno, who, in my estimation are some of the finest, contemporary scientists on the planet. I have asked my Colleague's to ponder your theory and to consider how we might collectively collaborate to configure a new type of propulsion system which could be adapted to a new class of space debris cleanup modules ('SDCM's') such as those shown in the videos found at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-dwdNecz44&feature=youtu.be and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZSSiffIcnQ .
I've put together a team and we've designed a plan to cleanup space debris. The fact of the existence of so much 'clutter' in the earth's atmosphere, certainly, must be of concern to the Tall Whites. In one of your video's you mentioned that you observed a craft being repaired, which, apparently, had been damaged by a meteoroid (it was probably piece of space debris) that had passed through the craft on a 45 degree angle and you mentioned that the 'coils' constructed using 'fiber-optics' had been damaged by the impact from the meteoroid. Your report of this would account for a number of crashes of ET-vehicles and the presence of space debris, and accumulation of same since the 1960's, probably played a part in a number of past, present and future crashes. Keep in mind, those small pieces of space debris are moving at about 16,000 MPH. Imagine one of the ET-craft coming into a pre-determined position in LEO (low earth orbit) and coming into direct contact with a chunk of space debris the size of a softball, traveling at 16,000 MPH? The result...devastating.
Mr. Charles Hall
Page 2.
I would like to contact the Tall Whites and solicit their involvement/assistance in cleaning the space debris from the earth's atmosphere. There's a lot of junk out there and if they are traveling to/from the earth as you've reported (on the new moon and the old moon), then there is every likelihood that their craft are vulnerable to collisions with errant space debris which surrounds our planet (see: http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=13176 ).
What we need is a new kind of propulsion system that will enable us to move from piece to piece regardless of apogee/perigee of the debris targeted for recovery and to accomplish this with a propulsion system that is capable of the kind of agility exhibited by the ET's space craft.
Space braking to clean up the debris could work, but will require many, many costly launches. But here is a workable scenario:
Solar braking/acceleration. In this method the SD/SA connects with specil thin film solar sail or parachute has surfaces having a different color. For example, blask-white or black-mirror. As the result the solar pressure (solar radiation) on sail (parashute) in left and right sides of circle orbite will be different (Fig.2) (F2 > F1). If the braking is more than acceleration, the SD/SA will decrease the perigee (Fig. 2a). If the braking is less than acceleration. The SD/SA will increse the apogee (Fig. 2b).
Fig.2. Braking/acceleration of the Space Debris by the parachure-reflector. (a) – braking, F2 > F1; (b) – acceleration, F2 > F1 (again direction of apparatus moving). Notations: 1 – Earth, 2 – Earth atmosphere, 3 – SD or SA, 4 – paraphute-reflector, 5 – trajectory of the SD/SA, 6 is solar radiation. F1 and F2 are the light force (pressure).
Mr. Charles Hall
Page 3.
Work of the offered Apparatus.
The work of the offered Brake-Reflector is shown in fig.3. The Debris Apparatus 1 (DA) fly up to space debris (SD) 2 and shutting by a small rocket projectile 3 (fig.3a). (That may be connected by thin cable to Debris Apparatus 1). The projectile opens a net 4 (fig.3b). The net 4 catches the space debris 2 (fig. 3c) and releases, unwind (reel off) a brake cable 5 (fig.3d). As the result the SD pass its inpuls to the projectale 3 or SA 1. The SD is braked, the SA (if one connected to SD) gets the acceleration. After this the prijectale disconnected from SA 1 (if it was connected to SA 1), open the Brake-Reflector 6 and brakes the space debris 3 by the Brake-Reflector 6 in the top atmosphere or/and the solar radiation (fig.3e). The Space Apparatus flights to next SD or delivery the important satellite to Space Station for repair.
Fig. 3. AB Method. Process of catching and braking SD: (a) – shot of SA 1 by special projectile 3; (b) – open the special net 4 for catching the debris 2; (c) – space debris after its catching; (d) – braking SD by projectile which is used the cable 5; (e) – the (air/solar light) braking by parachute/reflector 6.
Notations: 1 – Space apparatus (SA); 2 – Space debris (SD), 3 – reactive gun, 4 – catch net, 5 – brake cable, 6 – control parachute, reflector, mirror, brake.
Mr. Charles Hall
Page 4.
Fig.4. Some possible forms of the offered Drag-Reflect Space Brake (Parachute, Sail).
Notations: (a) – forward view of drag-Reflector, (b,c)- side view of drag-reflector and parachute, (d) – spherical drag-reflector, (e) – net (grid) for catching the space debris; 1 – inflatable ring (toroid), 2 – thin film (or solar sail), 3 – parachute, 4 – inflatable thin film ball, 5 – connection cables; 6 – direction of moving, 7 – light thin net (grid), 8 – partition into toroid.
Again, the above is just one workable scenario but will not be approved by UNOOSA as the requirement for the SCDC's cannot contain an 'emitter' (such as the proposed 'net'), which some consider to constitute a 'space weapon'. Yes...fool-hearty notion, but some countries will object...so the requirement must be capable of 'passive collection', such as in the case of the Babinka I shown in the video link provided.
What I need from you is a suggestion/recommendation as to how I might initiate contact with the Tall Whites in order to present my proposal to them. Again, what we need is a new kind of propulsion system, e.g., that contemplated and possiblly based on HPT. The ET's obviously have that technology. What I need is an address to which I could direct a letter via US Mail. I know the USPO will deliver to coordinates, too. So, coordinates or a street address would work.
Let me close by thanking you in advance for your assistance.
My email address is: rmannco.president@gmail.com and my direct-dial telephone number is XXXXXXXXX..(Removed by me)
I hope to hear from you. Thank you for all you do.
Best Regards
Dr. Joe Resnick
FIG. 2
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FIG.3
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sent a letter to their 'Ambassador for Technology Transfer' at S-1 where, according to Hall...their Embassy is located
'The Teacher'
Dr. Joseph A. Resnick
1016 NC Highway 268
Lenoir, NC 28645
March 7, 2014
The Weather Observer for
Nellis AFB, NV and Indian Springs
Gunnery Range
C/o Delivery to "The Teacher" at Indian Springs
Embassy, NV
Dear Teacher,
By way of introduction please see http://drjosephresnickcurriculumvitae.weebly.com/ and www.rmannco.com .
Only recently have I become aware of the http://www.millennialhospitality.com series and the Hall Photon Theory and Mr. Hall's description of his encounters with you and the others at Indian Springs, NC with what he termed as, 'Tall Whites'. I found these to be both interesting and credible as well.
I found a copy of Mr. Hall's Paper on HPT at http://openseti.org/Docs/Hall_Photon_Science_Paper_B.pdf and took the liberty of printing-off a copy and am involved in the personal study of same. Likewise, I have shared this information with my Colleagues, Dr Valarie Golovichev and Dr. Claudio Bruno, who, in my estimation are some of the finest, contemporary scientists on the planet. I have asked my Colleague's to ponder your theory and to consider how we might collectively collaborate to configure a new type of propulsion system which could be adapted to a new class of space debris cleanup modules ('SDCM's') such as those shown in the videos found at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-dwdNecz44&feature=youtu.be and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZSSiffIcnQ .
I've put together a team and we've designed a plan to cleanup space debris. The fact of the existence of so much 'clutter' in the earth's atmosphere, certainly, must be of concern to the Tall Whites. In one of Mr. Hall's videos he mentioned that he witnessed a craft being repaired, which, apparently, had been damaged by a meteoroid (it was probably piece of space debris) that had passed through the craft on a 45 degree angle and he mentioned that the 'fiber-optic coils' constructed using 'fiber-optics' had been damaged by the impact from the meteoroid. Mr. Hall's reference to same would account for a number of crashes of ET-vehicles and the presence of space debris, and accumulation of same since the 1960's, probably played a part in a number of past, present and future crashes. Keep in mind, those small pieces of space debris are moving at about 16,000 MPH. Imagine one of the ET-craft coming into a pre-determined position in LEO (low earth orbit) and coming into direct contact with a chunk of space debris the size of a softball, traveling at 16,000 MPH? The result...devastating.
The Teacher
Page 2.
I would like to contact the Tall Whites and solicit their involvement/assistance in cleaning the space debris from the earth's atmosphere. There's a lot of junk out there and if they are traveling to/from the earth as Mr. Hall has reported (on the new moon and the old moon), then there is every likelihood that their craft are vulnerable to collisions with errant space debris which surrounds our planet (see: http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=13176 ).
What we need is a new kind of propulsion system that will enable us to move from piece to piece regardless of apogee/perigee of the debris targeted for recovery and to accomplish this with a propulsion system that is capable of the kind of agility exhibited by the ET's space craft.
Space braking to clean up the debris could work, but will require many, many costly launches. But here is a workable scenario:
Solar braking/acceleration. In this method the SD/SA connects with specil thin film solar sail or parachute has surfaces having a different color. For example, blask-white or black-mirror. As the result the solar pressure (solar radiation) on sail (parashute) in left and right sides of circle orbite will be different (Fig.2) (F2 > F1). If the braking is more than acceleration, the SD/SA will decrease the perigee (Fig. 2a). If the braking is less than acceleration. The SD/SA will increse the apogee (Fig. 2b).
Fig.2. Braking/acceleration of the Space Debris by the parachure-reflector. (a) – braking, F2 > F1; (b) – acceleration, F2 > F1 (again direction of apparatus moving). Notations: 1 – Earth, 2 – Earth atmosphere, 3 – SD or SA, 4 – paraphute-reflector, 5 – trajectory of the SD/SA, 6 is solar radiation. F1 and F2 are the light force (pressure).
The Teacher
Page 3.
Work of the offered Apparatus.
The work of the offered Brake-Reflector is shown in fig.3. The Debris Apparatus 1 (DA) fly up to space debris (SD) 2 and shutting by a small rocket projectile 3 (fig.3a). (That may be connected by thin cable to Debris Apparatus 1). The projectile opens a net 4 (fig.3b). The net 4 catches the space debris 2 (fig. 3c) and releases, unwind (reel off) a brake cable 5 (fig.3d). As the result the SD pass its inpuls to the projectale 3 or SA 1. The SD is braked, the SA (if one connected to SD) gets the acceleration. After this the prijectale disconnected from SA 1 (if it was connected to SA 1), open the Brake-Reflector 6 and brakes the space debris 3 by the Brake-Reflector 6 in the top atmosphere or/and the solar radiation (fig.3e). The Space Apparatus flights to next SD or delivery the important satellite to Space Station for repair.
Fig. 3. AB Method. Process of catching and braking SD: (a) – shot of SA 1 by special projectile 3; (b) – open the special net 4 for catching the debris 2; (c) – space debris after its catching; (d) – braking SD by projectile which is used the cable 5; (e) – the (air/solar light) braking by parachute/reflector 6.
Notations: 1 – Space apparatus (SA); 2 – Space debris (SD), 3 – reactive gun, 4 – catch net, 5 – brake cable, 6 – control parachute, reflector, mirror, brake.
The Teacher
Page 4.
Fig.4. Some possible forms of the offered Drag-Reflect Space Brake (Parachute, Sail).
Notations: (a) – forward view of drag-Reflector, (b,c)- side view of drag-reflector and parachute, (d) – spherical drag-reflector, (e) – net (grid) for catching the space debris; 1 – inflatable ring (toroid), 2 – thin film (or solar sail), 3 – parachute, 4 – inflatable thin film ball, 5 – connection cables; 6 – direction of moving, 7 – light thin net (grid), 8 – partition into toroid.
Again, the above is just one workable scenario but will not be approved by UNOOSA (www.unoosa.org) as the requirement for the SCDC's cannot contain an 'emitter' (such as the proposed 'net'), which some consider to constitute a 'space weapon'. Yes...fool-hearty notion, but some countries will object...so the requirement must be capable of 'passive collection', such as in the case of the Babinka I shown in the video link provided.
What I need from you is a suggestion/recommendation as to how I might initiate contact with the Tall Whites in order to present my proposal to them. Again, what we need is a new kind of propulsion system, e.g., that contemplated and possibly based on HPT. The ET's obviously have that technology. What I need is an address to which I could direct a letter via US Mail. I know the USPO will deliver to coordinates, too. So, coordinates or a street address would work.
Let me close by thanking you in advance for your assistance.
My email address is: rmannco.president@gmail.com and my direct-dial telephone number is (Removed by me)
I hope to hear from you. Thank you for all you do.
Best Regards
Dr. Joe Resnick
I was not familiar with Dr Resnick, but his CV is very impressive...
Remarkably Interesting to see his interest in the Charles Hall and the Tall Whites !
Amazing that you obtained this letter Sarge... 8)
Dr. Joe is an amazing scientist/inventor. Friend and mentor. See UMLR section of Pegasus.
Great to have such a contact & mentor , and to know your connection with him and that hes aware of PRC....
It would be great to know how he goes on with Charles Hall.
I wonder if any of them have time to visit any forums...or if they may ever consider taking a look at PRC ! :P
Will check out UMLR section.
Many thanks...
This is fantastic we knows Drt Joe Resnick is a real insider theres no doubt. I was just discussing Hall Photon Theory with a very very intelligent man the other day a scientist and we have been talking about Time Dilation also.
Thank You Sgt. RocknRoll and Dr Resnick.
Did we EVER find on if the Dr made contact with the teacher ?
I have spoken with Charles online & i think he most probably had permission to release his books .... He waited 40 years !!!
What disturbs ME is the way he refers to himself as their PET .....
It insinuates we give up our free will to them :-[
Also they "the tall whites" seem very jumpy because 41 people were
comprimised some badly burned & others killed !!!
They sound 2 much like us for comfort
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gLQ8Z6vlUY
5:32 Evidence for the Tall White Aliens - Part 1 - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gLQ8Z6vlUY)
Published on Feb 18, 2013Tall White facilities possibly located, and evidence of underground construction in the area of the reported tall White underground base.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzrwiempTdM
11:23 Evidence for the Tall White Aliens - Part 2 - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzrwiempTdM)
Published on Jun 12, 2013Tall White facilities possibly located, and the US Government refusing to provide information.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZGBgSKfD94
6:49 Evidence for the Tall White Aliens - Part 3 - The Indian Springs Project by David Hilton (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZGBgSKfD94)
Published on Sep 14, 2013More research into the Tall White Aliens. This time covering the Indian Springs Project.
A few days ago, I decided to have a look on one of Charles Halls website.
Its a long time since I have looked back into his material / story after what happened
on the past research that many of us did and came to a conclusion that his story
could not be proven as interesting as it had initially appeared to be.
But One always may still wonder or think about it.
One researcher had claimed Charles Hall was a fraud. and I found some video that
suggested that he could no longer do seminar type events.. or if he did, that it was his wife that would do the presentation.
He had two main websites... one that told his story and another that tended to refer to his
books or events.
To my surprise I have found that one of original websites is active.
http://openseti.org/Hall.html
https://openseti.org/
But fortunately some other webmasters have created copies of it as I show below.
http://vaticproject.blogspot.com/2015/03/charles-hall-and-tall-white-ets.html
https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vida_alien/esp_hall02.htm
This shows his existing website..
https://www.millennialhospitality.com/index.php
and I found some new content that he had added.
I am wondering if he is looking to maybe do something similar to what Bob Lazar and Jeremy Corbell did when they created some videos of Bob Lazars story.
He has added a NEW video clip of a film that he seems to have created since 2020 about
his story.
and he has created a new book. called "Beyond_Relativity:.
https://www.millennialhospitality.com/index.php
https://www.millennialhospitality.com/HPT_Beyond_Relativity.php
This is the title of his new film.. with some links where you can see the clip.
He also may have done another film...
some of his clips are on links from his website to be shown on Facebook.
Walking With the Tall Whites
Movie Trailer
Walking WIth Tall Whites
Documentary about Charles James Hall
https://vimeo.com/ondemand/325224/537599373
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=29&v=b2TtNVGW9JQ&feature=emb_logo
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=+Documentary+about+Charles+James+Hall&&view=detail&mid=7997382C6324A1129F917997382C6324A1129F91&&FORM=VRDGAR&ru=%2Fvideos%2Fsearch%3Fq%3D%2520Documentary%2520about%2520Charles%2520James%2520Hall%26qs%3Dn%26%3D%25eManage%2520Your%2520Search%2520History%25E%26sp%3D-1%26pq%3Ddocumentary%2520about%2520charles%2520james%2520hall%26sc%3D1-36%26sk%3D%26cvid%3DB936BA9B30A54F8AAC426EE5359A3152%26FORM%3DVDVVXX
This is a 16 min video that seemed to relate to it, but on watching it, it does not seem
to actually show anything new other than a image related to it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=342&v=cDULSCJ6BEI&feature=emb_logo
Then I have come across this website which is something new that I had not seen before..
http://tallwhites.earthexpeditions.co.uk/
On having taken a look at the website and his content... I do not think it shows any real evidence and many of the
images and videos that he posts are NOT very clear.. so are NOT ideal evidence to confirm what he may suggest.
so it may not be worth spending too much time looking thru it.. but having said that.. you never know for sure
if he may discovered something worth while.. but I dont think I agree with some of the things he suggests.
However there are somethings that I had not seen before.. where some of images maybe questionable !
rather than dismissed... such as one of the LONG white building he claims to have found.
that seems maybe to suggest that some of Halls suggested locations for the Tall Whites
space craft hangers , may have been at another location that I had not fully realised.
I had thought they were supposed to be North or Dog Bone Lake on the NTS / Nellis Area.
but this make a lot of ref to a Dry Desert lake west of Dogbone called Pintwater Lake.
Although Hall also did make ref to Pintwater Lake as well.. BUT I think when we were trying to
research it, we were tending to look more at Dogbone Lake.
Dogbone Lake is the Higher top longer lake on this map.. Pintwater Lake is the one shown with the suggested
Old ranges 3 and 4.
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The Person who created the website claims that he has looked at various versions of Google earth or Maps
for different dates and found some refs to what what maybe be described as one of the Tall White spaceship
Hanger .
he has a series of various posts such as this on his blog...where some are related to some of his UK UFO sitings and others relate to Charles Hall and the Tall Whites.
http://tallwhites.earthexpeditions.co.uk/2018/10/31/pintwater-alien-hangar-door/
http://tallwhites.earthexpeditions.co.uk/2018/11/04/mystery-long-white-buildings/
http://tallwhites.earthexpeditions.co.uk/2018/11/03/tall-white-housing-location/
I found another website about the Tall Whites that I am not sure if I had seen before, at least not as it appears now.
I may have seen something similar or maybe when it was in its early stages of creation..
But who ever has created this one seems to created a LOT of content..but parts of it maybe also seen
as other related UFO/ ET / Ancient Aliens type info that maybe suggested could have ref to the Tall Whites
topic.
https://tall-white-aliens.com/
This is yet another recent ref to Charles Hall and his Tall whites story that some part that I must have missed.
I saw an ending of the program earlier today and have searched for a copy for the earlier part that I missed.
Its from Star Treks William Shatners series "Weird or What" "Aliens Walk among us" . that I thought that I had seen before, BUT I did not seeing this part to do with Charles Hall.
I think there is another part to it that is not show on this video where a Psychologists make some sugestions that Charles Hall was mind controlled to believe his story..by MK Ultra CIA Mind control program back in the 1960s
She claims that he may dilusional (Which at times when he speaks I think he does seem to be so, but its also suggested he is very clever with a High level science & Nuclear Engineering background ) and she says that she has treated several people who may have made similar claims that they had encounters with Aliens.
One of mysteries with Charles Hall when Dan Berkert was trying to research his military background, is that he could not find anything, yet on this program, it does show some past pictures of him as if he was in the Military.
If there was any possible truth to such things one may also wonder if that may have happened to Bob Lazars story.
I also seen part of his Jeremy Corbell story again earlier which I had seen before, but when you some times watch things again you note things that you may had not taken in prior..
ONE part of it showed some Interviewing Bob Lazar about his missing past.. such as proof of his education background...
and he just seemed to still shug it off, with out offering any further suggestions of proof.
and only to say that why would I need to persue that when he had gone on to do much more valid things that he claimed to have proof on, that may seem more appropiate to his story. Such as certain newspaper articles may appear to had backed up his Los Alomos background along with certain things that related him to certain authorities to to do with later employing him at Area 51.
What May amaze me about both Charles Hall and Bob Lazars stories is just how much that there is to them,
It would be hard to think anyone could make so much stuff up to also appear to seem to have some valid reasoning or possibilities and for to have remained still supporting their stories after many years, thats in some ways its may be hard to think that they had made them up.
Thinking the stories up alone is one challenge , telling its another and maintaining it for so long after, one may also wonder how have they managed to do that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=135&v=MazzEw_MksU&feature=emb_logo
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=weird+or+what+aliens++tall+whites&&view=detail&mid=5C601CE62D43CD96536B5C601CE62D43CD96536B&&FORM=VRDGAR
I managed to find a full copy of the program.
see about the 43rd min for the Psychologists comments.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2660&v=02DcicJttBI&feature=emb_logo
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=weird+or+what+charles+hall++Aliens+Walk+Among+Us&&view=detail&mid=C967B151F145882893D3C967B151F145882893D3&&FORM=VRDGAR&ru=%2Fvideos%2Fsearch%3Fq%3Dweird%2520or%2520what%2520charles%2520hall%2520%2520Aliens%2520Walk%2520Among%2520Us%26qs%3Dn%26form%3DQBVR%26%3D%2525eManage%2520Your%2520Search%2520History%2525E%26sp%3D-1%26pq%3Dweird%2520or%2520what%2520charles%2520hall%2520aliens%2520walk%2520among%2520us%26sc%3D0-47%26sk%3D%26cvid%3D8785D0AE35C04CCDB746D772EA396CBF
One way was to ask Hall for a copy of his DD-214....If he can't produce it then probably he's a faker like so many...
I dont know if Dan was aware to have asked that at the time he was trying to investigate him.
IF I recall, Dan found a website that was suggested should have had some info on Halls Military background if it had existed... that may had been for a particular section or outfit that he was led oto believe that Hall had claimed.
BUT he could NOT find any info on him to certify that Hall was telling the truth to his military background.
Maybe could remind him if you are in further contact with him to see what he says.
Yet that Video does appear to show some (2 to 4 maybe) Photos of Hall when he was younger that may suggest he was at least in some part of the Military in Vietnam.
Quote from: Sgt.Rocknroll on April 02, 2022, 11:23:36 PM
One way was to ask Hall for a copy of his DD-214....If he can't produce it then probably he's a faker like so many...
Haven't been here in ages but caught up on the material. See there's a bit of a paper-chase ongoing, however Charles Hall alleged other information not currently being taken advantage of.
He gave "roughly" the schedule of the Tall Whites comings & goings that possibly can be seen at distance which would assist in confirming his credibility, no? It occurred to me if people can watch Area 51 why not the airspace over the Creech Facility?
By airspace I'm including the notion of telescopes trained at probable trajectories/vectors of atmospheric entry.
When you say about monitoring Creech Facility, using telescopes... in what way do you mean ?
Do you mean say the public using telescopes ? or some sort of more advanced type of telescope.
What would you expect anyone to see ? The Tall white crafts landing ?
If I recal Hall suggested that they tended to land some distance North Of Creech AFB or more towards Dog bone lake .
It is easier to observe Creech airbase than it is Area 51, as its closer to Las Vegas and you can see it from the Mountains behind it that lead up to Mount Charleston.
I have been up those mountains and you can get some good views looking down over the base.
Anyone who lives at Indian Springs, you would think someone would have managed to observe something worthwhile and have taken some valid photos or filmed something if there is such activity occurring around that area.. But I am not aware of anyone making anything on the Internet about it.
Quote from: Caver78 on May 30, 2022, 02:04:41 PM
Haven't been here in ages but caught up on the material. See there's a bit of a paper-chase ongoing, however Charles Hall alleged other information not currently being taken advantage of.
He gave "roughly" the schedule of the Tall Whites comings & goings that possibly can be seen at distance which would assist in confirming his credibility, no? It occurred to me if people can watch Area 51 why not the airspace over the Creech Facility?
By airspace I'm including the notion of telescopes trained at probable trajectories/vectors of atmospheric entry.
Some images of views that you can see looking down from the Mount Charleston mountain range south of Creech airforce base that look towards the NTS / NTTR / Nellis ranges .
If you can get to certain areas on the mountain range, you can look towards and down towards the various NTTR desert valleys and lake areas inc where its suggested the Tall White locations maybe.
If you are there when the Sun is in the right position, shining and casting shadows, the views can be quite impressive.
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https://www.flickr.com/photos/xlimitededitionx/5674662798/in/photostream/
(https://www.dreamlandresort.com/info/creech_pan.jpg)
https://www.dreamlandresort.com/info/creech_pan.jpg
https://www.dreamlandresort.com/info/creech.html
(https://www.fisherdad.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/9-6-768x512.jpg)
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(https://clui.org/sites/default/files/imagecache/ludb-image/ludb/nv/6889/5663552098_a22744138e_o.jpg)
My answer to the Hall 'story'....DD-214? 8)
Is the DD 214 form to confirm that Hall had been in the Military, Sgt ?
Is it possible for the public to check his military record or to request his DD_214 ?
Quote
The DD Form 214, Certificate of Release or Discharge from Active Duty
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DD_Form_214
The only other thing that I have found that suggested that he was in the Military is one or two photos that I found of him where they appear as if he was...
(https://tse2.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.ghZCvg5BsKLfm4sFSMaLrQHaFj&pid=Api)
(https://th.bing.com/th/id/OIP.PKyDEvYic0p5K-YiYajCnAHaFj?pid=ImgDet&rs=1)
Quote from: Sgt.Rocknroll on June 01, 2022, 12:25:21 PM
My answer to the Hall 'story'....DD-214? 8)
Nice photos, BUT.....No DD-214....(without that, which I believe he has refused to produce)(and they can be faked) It's just a nice story
As far as the public requesting a person's DD-214...I honestly don't know as I haven't had a need to.
I requested a 'Certified' copy of mine as I thought I had lost it in my many moves.
The day I rec'd my copy I found the original in an old box of stuff I had forgot about. So I have two, the original and a certified copy.
I do know if you can request a copy of a deceased family member as I have for my father who passed in 1976.
I had thought that maybe, if anyone made an enquiry, if the dept who has the records and supplies them,
if they could confirm that Charles James Hall had definately been in the military at the time he claimed.
He said he had joined was it in 1964 and was in the military for the Vietnam war, so maybe at least he was in to 1975. possibly 11 yrs or more.
this shows the date that he joined...
July 20, 1964QuoteCharles James Hall was born and raised in rural Wisconsin, USA, near Madison. He enlisted in the United States Air Force on July 20, 1964. He was stationed at Nellis Air Force Base outside Las Vegas, Nevada, for over two years.
So would the DD-214 certaificate likely confirm those details , or if you have your own copies, does it show such information ?
So you did manage to apply for a copy of your fathers certificate then... and I assume you got a copy of it ok.
I am not sure if anyone in the public could make such enquiries for related information, or if its only something that Military can obtain.
Also I assume you could apply if you are from the USA...or a USA resident.
IF Dan Berkert was aware of that, I am surprised that he has not enquired !
It would be ok if you was able to check for such details online...
I dont know whether this may offer any options..
https://www.archives.gov/research/military/air-force
There is a webpage about the DD - 214 form, but to obtain anything for free, I think it only applies to the Veteran or their family.
QuoteAbout Military Service Records and Official Military Personnel Files (OMPFs, DD Form 214)
If you've been discharged from military service, your personnel files are stored here at the National Archives and Records Administration (NARA). We are the official repository for records of military personnel who have been discharged from the U.S. Air Force, Army, Marine Corps, Navy and Coast Guard.
If you are a recently separated veteran, records can be found online via the VA eBenefits portal. However, most veterans and their next-of-kin can obtain free copies of their DD Form 214 (Report of Separation) and other records several ways:
Use our eVetRecs system to create your request
Mail or Fax a Standard Form SF-180
Learn more about requesting military service records
Military personnel records are primarily administrative records and can contain information such as:
enlistment/appointment
duty stations and assignments
training, qualifications, performance
awards and medals
disciplinary actions
insurance
emergency data
administrative remarks
separation/discharge/retirement (including DD Form 214, Report of Separation, or equivalent)
and other personnel actions.
https://www.archives.gov/veterans/military-service-records/about-service-records-0
Quote from: Sgt.Rocknroll on June 01, 2022, 02:42:05 PM
As far as the public requesting a person's DD-214...I honestly don't know as I haven't had a need to.
I requested a 'Certified' copy of mine as I thought I had lost it in my many moves.
The day I rec'd my copy I found the original in an old box of stuff I had forgot about. So I have two, the original and a certified copy.
I do know if you can request a copy of a deceased family member as I have for my father who passed in 1976.
As far as my father's info was concerned, I was told there was a fire at the old data retention facility and a lot of documents were destroyed forever. I did manage to get his separation papers from a family member. My sister passed and her son-in-law found the documents in an old photo album. To say I was ecstatic was to say a lot.
I just made a request for a copy of Charles Hall's DD-214.
This is the reply I recieved from the Archives
Success!!!
Service Request has been created successfully.
Your Service Request Number: 2-26664244925
Be sure to monitor your spam and junk folders for emails from @nara.gov.
Now we will see...
That was unfortunate if there was a fire, and things may depend on how far back they held the data.
You were fortunate that you managed to obtain his other documents.
I guess that your Fathers info was some years prior before Charles Halls time frame,
QuoteAs far as my father's info was concerned, I was told there was a fire at the old data retention facility and a lot of documents were destroyed forever. I did manage to get his separation papers from a family member. My sister passed and her son-in-law found the documents in an old photo album. To say I was ecstatic was to say a lot.
Thats good if you have managed to request a copy.
It will be interesting to see what happens.
I did try to do a search on part of that military service archive website, using just his name only..and it came up with a few various Charles Halls. but not in his full name... which I inserted... which was as Charles James Hall.
https://catalog.archives.gov/search?q=charles%20james%20hall&rows=20
There is an advanced search option, but I am not clear on what other info that I would have to select or input.
https://catalog.archives.gov/advancedsearch
When you made your request, what info did you have to input ?
Did you just insert Charles Hall, or Charles James Hall ? and did you input the date that he joined.
July 20, 1964. or did it ask for any other information.
I am NOT sure about much more info about him, such as his date of birth or how old he may now be.
Quote from: Sgt.Rocknroll on June 01, 2022, 10:03:01 PM
I just made a request for a copy of Charles Hall's DD-214.
This is the reply I recieved from the Archives
Success!!!
Service Request has been created successfully.
Your Service Request Number: 2-26664244925
Be sure to monitor your spam and junk folders for emails from @nara.gov.
Now we will see...
Only 'Charles Hall'. So if I get any info, I'm sure there will be more Charles Hall's.
I did use his start date and I just received this reply.
Thank you for submitting a request to the National Personnel Records Center (NPRC) through eVetrecs.
Your request number pertaining to HALL, CHARLES is 2-26664244925.
Check your request status online at https://vetrecs.archives.gov/.
Important Note Regarding the Pandemic:
Due to the COVID-19 pandemic the NPRC is not at its normal operating capacity. During this time we are able to only respond to emergency requests such as burials, medical emergencies, and homeless veterans seeking admittance to a homeless shelter.
Information on NPRC's current Operating Status can be found at https://www.archives.gov/veterans/military-service-records-0.
More information about the National Archives' response to coronavirus can be found at https://www.archives.gov/coronavirus.
So we'll see what happens.
If you added his Start date, that may well be all is required, if just using his name as Charles Hall.
Lets hope you get a positive reply and that it gives us a bit more information to consider about him and his story.
Reading that further info, it may be quite a while if they are badly effected by staff shortages due to Covid.
If it comes back as a negative response, then it will not help towards his credibility.
QuoteOnly 'Charles Hall'. So if I get any info, I'm sure there will be more Charles Hall's.
I did use his start date and I just received this reply.
Well Hey guys,
Its been a long time I have some info on the Charles Hall story. It took me a bit to get logged in but here I am I agree with you Sgt.RocknRoll I sure do miss Zorgon also man I was thinking about him before I logged in brother !! And astro144 how are you doing as well I seen the comment you made and yes Im going to add some photos that will lend some credibility to Charles Halls story what's crazy is to this day no ones been able to get his records.
David Hilton tried and he was told basically they didn't exist which should be on here somewhere very bizarre story ands case. And as in everything I want to see some evidence like Sgt.RockNRoll we seen enough UFO liars and frauds over the years. I have some images as I said that show a young Hall in USAF uniform that need looked at by someone who knows exactly what he's wearing. Im glad to post here and there I cant stand FB or any of these other places filled with frauds.
Well I was glad to see you could log in and I haven't been into UFO's and the like for a long time. (just to let you know)
Just too many lairs and cheats out there and the main stream seem to eat up these so-called 'experts' on their tv shows.
The latest is Skinwalker ranch. ::)
But I haven't heard anything on the 'Tall Whites' story in awhile.
If anyone has any concrete evidence, I wish they would post it here and not 'somebodies uncles brother's cousin-in-law, 3 times removed'.
;D
Rock
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