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What is the center of the universe?  It isn't me.  I don't know that it's anyone here.  I don't think that it's any one person's work, no matter how important that work is or was.  So what is the center of the universe?

Respectfully,

Shasta

I would assume,and you know what assume means,that there is nothing since the universe is expanding since the big bang,or so they say.

Just my thoughts on it.

I am the center of My universe.  You are the center of Yours.  [smile]

Awareness "creates" the universe and each awareness is the center of Its universe.

Quote from: Amaterasu on July 19, 2012, 04:28:19 AM
I am the center of My universe.  You are the center of Yours.  [smile]

Awareness "creates" the universe and each awareness is the center of Its universe.

Each has his/hers own universe in which they live in,am I correct?
Do I see and experience the same one as you?
Or do we see each one differently,experience it in our own way.

It's a bit of a rhetorical question, but I thought it might generate some interesting discussion.

Respectfully,

Shasta

Quote from: Shasta56 on July 19, 2012, 04:18:29 AM
So what is the center of the universe?

Your pineal gland... you create your own universe.

Sometimes many universes coexist in harmony, sometimes they collide

When the Andromeda Galaxy collides with ours, our solar system will simply pass through

So too when universes collide or touch

If people would realize this fact, they would understand that politics, religions and other conflicts are meaningless

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Quote from: kdog on July 19, 2012, 04:33:55 AM
Each has his/hers own universe in which they live in,am I correct?
Do I see and experience the same one as you?
Or do we see each one differently,experience it in our own way.

There is a large overlap, but essentially, yes, We each have Our own universe - or program.  With differing subroutines.

Quote from: Shasta56 on July 19, 2012, 04:41:32 AM
It's a bit of a rhetorical question, but I thought it might generate some interesting discussion.

Respectfully,

Shasta

No doubt, Shasta!  Good thread idea!

Quote from: zorgon on July 19, 2012, 04:50:33 AM
Your pineal gland... you create your own universe.

Sometimes many universes coexist in harmony, sometimes they collide

When the Andromeda Galaxy collides with ours, our solar system will simply pass through

So too when universes collide or touch

If people would realize this fact, they would understand that politics, religions and other conflicts are meaningless

I'd say You have it pretty much spot on!

The universe is something I and most reasonably "informed people" actually don't really know "peanuts" about, from a physical standpoint. However, it is generally accepted that a basically physical attribute of the universe is..........it is infinite!

And, we for sure don't actually have a grasp of any real understanding for what infinite really means either. However, I believe it is safe to say that if something is infinite, then there is no such characteristic as "a center of it".

Even if there were a big bang that started somewhere (and my Christian belief does not accept that as fact), the "big bang" would have only formed the hard physical attributes of the universe such as the planets, stars and galaxies, within the infinite void that already existed.

Because the Earth is our starting point for all spacial observations, then the Earth is at the center of our "known universe". However our "knowing" is severely limited by our scientific knowledge and capability to "observe" any farther out. Thus, here on this Earth, we could say we are at the center of a 27 billion light-year sphere  of the known universe, which is about as far out as we can "see" (13.5 billion light years in every direction) with current state of the art instruments !!!  8)

Quote from: Shasta56 on July 19, 2012, 04:18:29 AM
What is the center of the universe?  It isn't me.  I don't know that it's anyone here.  I don't think that it's any one person's work, no matter how important that work is or was.  So what is the center of the universe?

Respectfully,

Shasta

Ive got to agree with Zorgon, as the pineal gland does create our reality, and my pineal gland will create my reality, while yours will do the same for you, Shasta!

These realities arent the center of the universe though, the WHOLE of them is

For me, our collective conscious which is created by all of our pineal glands, is the true center, and is OUR center of the universe together as one...ALL.

Cheers Shasta!
Littleenki

Yes, Dave, I agree in that We ARE all One.  The universe is One.  There is no center but the center We each carry with Us.

Quote from: zorgon on July 19, 2012, 04:50:33 AM
Your pineal gland... you create your own universe.

Sometimes many universes coexist in harmony, sometimes they collide

When the Andromeda Galaxy collides with ours, our solar system will simply pass through

So too when universes collide or touch

If people would realize this fact, they would understand that politics, religions and other conflicts are meaningless

(http://sacrededenblog.com/wp-content/uploads/uchr_01_img0052.jpg)

If only that wisdom could be shared and understood by those in power.
But,no,it's more like mom and dad took all the kids to the fun park,let them run amok while they go sit at the bar.

Quote from: rdunk on July 19, 2012, 05:01:35 AM

Because the Earth is our starting point for all spacial observations, then the Earth is at the center of our "known universe". However our "knowing" is severely limited by our scientific knowledge and capability to "observe" any farther out. Thus, here on this Earth, we could say we are at the center of a 27 billion light-year sphere  of the known universe, which is about as far out as we can "see" (13.5 billion light years in every direction) with current state of the art instruments !!!  8)

;D Thank you Rdunk, this makes everything seem like its going
to be alright!  ;)

Quote from: rdunk on July 19, 2012, 05:01:35 AM
The universe is something we actually don't really know "peanuts" about, from a physical standpoint. However, it is generally accepted that a basically physical attribute of the universe is..........it is infinite!

you should change that 'we'  to 'I'... you cannot know what someone else may or may not know. You can only speak for yourself.

It was 'generally accepted' that the earth was flat... they were wrong

It was 'generally accepted' that the earth was the center of the solar system... they were wrong. Galileo was almost burned at the stake over that one. At least the RCC finally apologized to him, 600 years later

QuoteAnd, we for sure don't actually have a grasp of any real understanding for what infinite really means either. However, I believe it is safe to say that if something is infinite, then there is no such characteristic as "a center of it".

Let me ask you this... if god is all powerfull and omnipotent, can he create a rock heavier than he can lift?  Don't rush into it... sit back and think about it... my Croatian Friend took two years before he gave up trying.

THAT is your answer to Infinity

QuoteBecause the Earth is our starting point for all spacial observations, then the Earth is at the center of our "known universe". However our "knowing" is severely limited by our scientific knowledge and capability to "observe" any farther out. Thus, here on this Earth, we could say we are at the center of a 27 billion light-year sphere  of the known universe, which is about as far out as we can "see" (13.5 billion light years in every direction) with current state of the art instruments !!!  8)

Journey to the Edge of the Universe

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGCOmVQiRNY

Humans are how the Cosmos knows it exists

z, I would say sentience.  I would not be so homocentric.  [smile]

OK...considering wave particle duality and the quantum uncertainty principal, I believe the biocentrism is a viable way view the nature of the universe and our relationship to it.

(http://www.robertlanza.com/images/biocentrism_bookCover.jpg)

The concept of an observer created reality is what the ancient Hindu's wrote of also.  By the conscious observation of the raw stuff of creation, we resolve it into the universe we observe.  Probability wave collapsed.  Observer created reality.  We are active participants in the act of creation.  The problem is it takes place so quickly that by the time we can go through the physical process of viewing, translating and evaluating, that brief instant of creation has passed.  Everything we can "think" of with the reactive mind is ALWAYS a moment in the past, an instant removed from the act of creation.  All thought is in the past.  It takes an enlightened state to realize that instant, to experience the raw material of creation that is infinity and eternity in an instant, before it becomes a thought, a memory and is recorded as an event in our brain. The ancients wrote about it and told of how to achieve it.
Or maybe not...... :) :) :)

Indeed, Amy, ONE it is, or shall I say ONE we are!:)

And Zorgon you hit the nail on the head.

Galileo was the perfect example of how one can know while the rest assume.

Silly RCC! :(

As you put so well, can a God create a rock too heavy for him to lift?

That my friend is a great question, Z!

May I attempt an answer?

As God is all of us, in order to create a rock too heavy to lift for all of us would be impossible, as our collective conscious continues to grow, and sooner or later the unliftable rock would be the size of a pea after our mentalism has expanded our universe to the point where it would be very small.

Once the rock has been created, it would be a matter of our growth into a stronger One mind until we lifted it high above our heads with little effort.

Of course the rock is a metaphor, right? ;D

How is that Croation friend doing these days? did he ever get it?

Cheers!

Ever thought;
It may be, that All exists in a "Non Dimensional" World involving "Concepts"
and the result of Communication between the 2 Ends of the mind existing in a network
of Conceptual "Partitions" of the One "Non Dimensional" Entity ?

Indeed, Amy, ONE it is, or shall I say ONE we are!:)

And Zorgon you hit the nail on the head.

Galileo was the perfect example of how one can know while the rest assume.

Silly RCC! :(

As you put so well, can a God create a rock too heavy for him to lift?

That my friend is a great question, Z!

May I attempt an answer?

As God is all of us, in order to create a rock too heavy to lift for all of us would be impossible, as our collective conscious continues to grow, and sooner or later the unliftable rock would be the size of a pea after our mentalism has expanded our universe to the point where it would be very small.

Once the rock has been created, it would be a matter of our growth into a stronger One mind until we lifted it high above our heads with little effort.

Of course the rock is a metaphor, right? ;D

How is that Croation friend doing these days? did he ever get it?

Cheers!

Quote from: Littleenki on July 19, 2012, 06:10:30 AM
How is that Croation friend doing these days? did he ever get it?

His answer was "I am not meant to know the answer to that"

I felt bad, I didn't know it had bothered him that long :(

But he did teach me the gem cutting business. I should probably step away from the computer and get back to that  :o

Hypothetically, if there is a "God" as Zorgon described, I think he could create a rock heavier than he could lift.  My question is, would he want to?  This is not meant to offend any Christians here, I'm a long time Solitary Practitioner of Wicca, so I don't have a Christian point of view.

Respectfully,

Shasta

Quote from: The Matrix Traveller on July 19, 2012, 06:12:39 AM
Ever thought;
It may be, that All exists in a "Non Dimensional" World involving "Concepts"
and the result of Communication between the 2 Ends of the mind existing in a network
of Conceptual "Partitions" of the One "Non Dimensional" Entity ?

Indeed.  With Your help.  [smile]  So that still would make "everywhere" the "center," right?

Quote from: Amaterasu on July 19, 2012, 06:38:24 AM
Indeed.  With Your help.  [smile]  So that still would make "everywhere" the "center," right?

Indeed... You are NOT wrong...

zorgon said,  "you should change that 'we'  to 'I'... you cannot know what someone else may or may not know. You can only speak for yourself.


I see your point, so I did "modify/edit" the reply to say, instead of "I", it now says "I and most reasonably "informed people".

zorgon said, " It was 'generally accepted' that the earth was flat... they were wrong

It was 'generally accepted' that the earth was the center of the solar system... they were wrong. Galileo was almost burned at the stake over that one. At least the RCC finally apologized to him, 600 years later".

zorgon, with those two statements, I do believe that you made my point about "not knowing peanuts" better than I did. Man didn't know peanuts about the universe way back when, as you pretty much said, and we really haven't come very far since then, relatively speaking!

Zorgon said, "Let me ask you this... if god is all powerfull and omnipotent, can he create a rock heavier than he can lift?  Don't rush into it... sit back and think about it... my Croatian Friend took two years before he gave up trying".


Zorgon, I am not rushing into the answer you asked for, but it is such a very simple proposition. My GOD is, as you say, "all powerful and omnipotent", and etc. and etc. So, to make this easy for all to understand, I am going to answer this question as in the first person, God to me.

God might say something like this, "my child, do you not know the power of your God? Do you not know that everything you see, except man, was created by my spoken Word? Do you not understand that I speak a thing and it is birthed, as was this World, and all creation? I tell a thing to move, and it moves by my Word.  My Word is above all else, and it shall prevail."

Again, those are my words about how God might answer, if I asked him that question. My short answer, is, God makes things and moves things by his Word, so size and weight just do not enter into the equation, with God! If you want proof of that, then I would refer you to a book called "The Bible", and you will find it right there! 

No disrespect, rdunk, but the bible is one of the most contradictory pieces of prose I have encountered.  Thou shalt not kill...unless They are heathen...?  One example.

And like I said in another thread...  If God is, as You say, omnipotent, One might presume (S/He/It) could UNmake with a word...  So why a flood?  Why kill all the innocents and children, drowning Them?  Surely the babes in arms had not been so wicked that (S/He/It) felt drowning Them was the best course of action...  Why not say the word and all who had offended (Her/Him/It) could go *POOF* and leave the Ones (S/He/It) liked well enough?

I see in that book at least two "Gods."  One in the OT, which is spiteful, wrathful, capricious, conceited, and NOT omnipotent - and one in the NT who is kinder, gentler, and only a little conceited - and questionably omnipotent.  In both cases, though...the contradictions abound.

I appreciate You perspective, and see it works for You.  But I doubt it brings any proof of anything.

Quote from: rdunk on July 19, 2012, 07:11:43 AM
zorgon, with those two statements, I do believe that you made my point about "not knowing peanuts" better than I did. Man didn't know peanuts about the universe way back when, as you pretty much said, and we really haven't come very far since then, relatively speaking!

You missed the point  Galileo knew ;) 


My friend said;

"I am not meant to know the answer to that"


You said;

QuoteGod might say something like this, "my child, do you not know the power of your God? Do you not know that everything you see, except man, was created by my spoken Word? Do you not understand that I speak a thing and it is birthed, as was this World, and all creation? I tell a thing to move, and it moves by my Word.  My Word is above all else, and it shall prevail."

Those both sound the same to me... neither one answers the question

Another preacher once told me;

"My son. it is not ours to question the word of God"

That didn't work for me either. If there was a god then he created me with the ability to ask that question. It is then reasonable to expect an answer from those people that claim they speak for him, is it not?

QuoteAgain, those are my words about how God might answer, if I asked him that question.

Ah... so in other words, you don't know the answer  8)

QuoteMy short answer, is, God makes things and moves things by his Word, so size and weight just do not enter into the equation, with God! If you want proof of that, then I would refer you to a book called "The Bible", and you will find it right there!

Oh but it does matter, because it is MY equation. As to pointing me to that book of yours, no the answer is not in there either... I looked. In case I missed it, perhaps you could point me to the relevant chapter?


But hey... it's okay. It's a philosophical question. I already have the answer ;)  I just like to see if others can answer it

The nature of God is a circle
of which the center is everywhere
and the circumference is nowhere.
-Empedocles

Quote from: Pimander on July 19, 2012, 09:47:18 AM
The nature of God is a circle
of which the center is everywhere
and the circumference is nowhere.
-Empedocles

Empedocles...the original renaiisance man? Probably!

I was stationed near Mt Etna in Sigonella, Sicily, and when we went to town, many of the old men at the courtyard would still discuss him and how he threw himself to the volcano. A cool story to say the least, his life. Many gallons of Fortissimo were quaffed while listening to those guys, and us young Navy kids were mesmerized by their wisdom.

So many of our philosophical basis' come form his work and words, dont they?

Earth, water, air, and fire...

Love and strife which explain the attraction, and separation, of matter...

From Wiki, which has a pretty good page on Empedocles...

QuoteAs the best and original state, there was a time when the pure elements and the two powers co-existed in a condition of rest and inertness in the form of a sphere. The elements existed together in their purity, without mixture and separation, and the uniting power of Love predominated in the sphere: the separating power of Strife guarded the extreme edges of the sphere. Since that time, strife gained more sway and the bond which kept the pure elementary substances together in the sphere was dissolved. The elements became the world of phenomena we see today, full of contrasts and oppositions, operated on by both Love and Strife. The sphere being the embodiment of pure existence is the embodiment or representative of god. Empedocles assumed a cyclical universe whereby the elements return and prepare the formation of the sphere for the next period of the universe.

Im really glad you brought him up, Pimander, everyone can learn from Empedocles life and philosophy!

Cheers!

Quote from: zorgon on July 19, 2012, 06:30:31 AM
His answer was "I am not meant to know the answer to that"

I felt bad, I didn't know it had bothered him that long :(

But he did teach me the gem cutting business. I should probably step away from the computer and get back to that  :o

Aha, so you are a gemcutter?

Another interesting field Ive always wanted to add to my jewelry skills, but never had the time and money to begin.

I think if you wanted to do that, you could mix it in with the Forum, and research, but what I think you are best at, Zorgon, is sharing knowledge and showing us how to be aware of the information we are immersed in all around us.

A consumate teacher...no... professor, of many fields and disciplines whose purpose onthis tiny planet is clearly the advancement of man and woman into a realm of awareness, a noble cause for sure.

You, Zorgon are the gardener, and everyone else in your life are your plants, and from your caring touch, many have learned much from you through your voyage of honor in this field of learning.

Step back and look at the fruit of your labors, and as you may feel somedays the forum isnt rolling with the momentum you might have pictured it to, remember..... a rolling stone gathers no moss.

Take this as a token of my thanks for being who you are, and accepting me here as you have....:D
(http://hellohirah.com/images/SapphireBlue.jpg)

Cheers!

Quote from: Amaterasu on July 19, 2012, 04:28:19 AM
I am the center of My universe.  You are the center of Yours.  [smile]

Awareness "creates" the universe and each awareness is the center of Its universe.

You have touched on real mysteries here.  This could get deep....

Can you define awareness?

What is this awareness then?  What is your awareness or centre?  What is mine?  How does it function?

Can inanimate matter be responsible for how you experience or picture the universe?

zorgon said, "Oh but it does matter, because it is MY equation. As to pointing me to that book of yours, no the answer is not in there either... I looked. In case I missed it, perhaps you could point me to the relevant chapter?"

;D zorgon, what I said about God is not a "chapter and verse thing". It is revealed and stated throughout the Bible, beginning with Genesis, when God began to speak things we know about into existence. He did make Adam and Eve with his hands. Throughout the Bible God does things that reveals himself to us, and it is so very obvious there is no limitation to his authority, nor to his omnipotent power, except for one thing..........................HE IS BOUND BY HIS WORD, otherwise, no limits!!!!

I thought I very distinctly answered your question, without having to state directly that it is "oxymoronic", or like an oxymoron. It is much like the old question of "have you stopped beating your wife yet"?. There is no right answer, within the bounds of your question, relative to a limitless God. God could literally "speak" the Earth (or the Milky Way Galaxy, et al) into a feather, put the feather in his hat, and walk down "glory road" with it, if he wanted to.

My answer remains, to restate very briefly, God can make anything, and he can move anything he makes - - simply by speaking it into existence, and telling it to move, if he wants to move it.

Additionally, it is interesting that in the Word of God, God's people are advised of having similar capability, through faith. One of the scriptures that states this is, in the words of Jesus:

Mark 11:23
For verily I say unto you, That whosoever shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and shall not doubt in his heart, but shall believe that those things which he saith shall come to pass; he shall have whatsoever he saith

Yes, that is just awesome!! ;D ;D

Quote from: rdunk on July 19, 2012, 06:37:26 PM
Additionally, it is interesting that in the Word of God,

How do you know the Bible is the Word of God?  Nobody ever gave me a remotely satisfactory answer to that question.

Quote from: Pimander on July 19, 2012, 03:36:53 PM
You have touched on real mysteries here.  This could get deep....

Can you define awareness?

What is this awareness then?  What is your awareness or centre?  What is mine?  How does it function?

Can inanimate matter be responsible for how you experience or picture the universe?

Defining awareness...  Toughy, Pim.  Awareness:  I AM.  Maybe that is too vague...  The nature of awareness is "God" and the observation of the matter defines or "creates" it...  I think the answer to Your second question is "no."  It's the other way around.

Quote from: rdunk on July 19, 2012, 06:37:26 PM
Additionally, it is interesting that in the Word of God, God's people are advised of having similar capability, through faith. One of the scriptures that states this is, in the words of Jesus:

Mark 11:23
For verily I say unto you, That whosoever shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and shall not doubt in his heart, but shall believe that those things which he saith shall come to pass; he shall have whatsoever he saith

So have you enough faith to move that mountain yet? Have you enough faith to move a cup across a table?

Yoda:

"Size matters not. Look at me. Judge me by my size, do you? Hmm? Hmm. And well you should not. For my ally is the Force, and a powerful ally it is. Life creates it, makes it grow. Its energy surrounds us and binds us. Luminous beings are we, not this crude matter. You must feel the Force around you; here, between you, me, the tree, the rock, everywhere, yes. Even between the land and the ship."

Luke:

"I can't believe it."

Yoda:

"That is why you fail."

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Matthew 17:20 Jesus says quite clearly:

"For truly, I say to you, if you have faith as a grain of mustard seed, you will say to this mountain, 'Move from here to there,' and it will move; and nothing will be impossible to you. "

Mark 4:11 - - -

He told them, "The secret of the kingdom of God has been given to you. But to those on the outside everything is said in parables


Luke 8:10 - - -

He said, "The knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of God has been given to you, but to others I speak in parables, so that, "'though seeing, they may not see; though hearing, they may not understand.' 

Matthew 21:
18
     When he was going back to the city in the morning, he was hungry.
19
    Seeing a fig tree by the road, he went over to it, but found nothing on it except leaves. And he said to it, "May no fruit ever come from you again." And immediately the fig tree withered.
20
    When the disciples saw this, they were amazed and said, "How was it that the fig tree withered immediately?"
21
    17 Jesus said to them in reply, "Amen, I say to you, if you have faith and do not waver, not only will you do what has been done to the fig tree, but even if you say to this mountain, 'Be lifted up and thrown into the sea,' it will be done.
22
    Whatever you ask for in prayer with faith, you will receive."


So I ask you again, have you mastered moving any object by the power of your thoughts yet? Can you look at a plant and make it wither on command? Can you call forth a rain storm or make a hole appear above you in the clouds?

I can influence the clouds, so can my daughter... it has been proven in my Renaissance circles.

This famous Russian lady can move objects across a table

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jgMzcRxxEE

A far cry from Yoda moving that ship, or Jesus moving that mountain... but there are many on earth that have these skills... we just need to develop the other 90% of our brain

Quote from: Pimander on July 19, 2012, 03:36:53 PM
You have touched on real mysteries here.  This could get deep....

Can you define awareness?

What is this awareness then?  What is your awareness or centre?  What is mine?  How does it function?

Can inanimate matter be responsible for how you experience or picture the universe?

Awareness:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Awareness

Quote from: Pimander on July 19, 2012, 06:52:21 PM
How do you know the Bible is the Word of God?  Nobody ever gave me a remotely satisfactory answer to that question.

Well Pimander, how do you know you were actually "born"? I am quite sure you have no memory of being born, so, just how do you know? Just how can you prove it to everyone's satisfaction? And you might say, "well, I have a birth certificate". And, that would be good enough for some, but some others might ask, "how do you know the birth certificate is real"? And on, and on and on. Even accepting that we are "naturally born" is really something that for us is "faith based"!

But, when the subject becomes "God's Word", which is printed for us, in a book called "The Bible",  we have moved from the physical realm to the spiritual realm. Many of "man" have wasted a lot of time in trying to find "physical proof" of that which is "spiritually discerned", and is accepted by FAITH. God's word existed long before the Bible was printed, and it will be "existing", when there are no more printed books. God says "heaven and Earth shall pass away.................But............!!!

Mark 13:31
Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.

Pi, this is an age old question, and the Word really presents a paradoxical situation, no better presented than by Matthew 7:13-14

13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:

14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

"Finding it" doesn't come by looking for proof! Finding it starts with accepting by faith what John 3:16 says, and then our spiritual proof will develop, as we let God speak to us through his Word, which is "alive"! 

Thanks for asking!!

Quote from: Pimander on July 19, 2012, 06:52:21 PM
How do you know the Bible is the Word of God?  Nobody ever gave me a remotely satisfactory answer to that question.

Well the 'bible' is not the technically the 'Word of God'  because the English versions of that book are translations made by man of earlier versions of Latin books. Those Latin books were translations made by man of earlier Greek and Hebrew books. Those Greek and Hebrew books were translations by man of still earlier Aramaic books.

Those Aramaic books were written by man from verbal stories passed down for many years before they were put into print  by man

So quoting a scripture from a King James copy of the Bible is not proof of anything. It is one possible interpretation with a built in bias.

I would rather have someone answer a question directly what he or she thinks, then pointing at a book and saying  "See here? It says...."

Quote from: rdunk on July 19, 2012, 09:52:33 PM
and the Word really presents a paradoxical situation,

Why? Why does the word have to be in parables, riddles and paradoxical situations?

Why not just come out and say it, clearly so there is no possible confusion of what was meant?

You are a believer in that book, yet even you speak of paradoxical situations.

Proof requires straight forward hard facts that can not be misinterpreted... not " parables, riddles and paradoxical situations"

That is precisely why we are in the current situation today with all the splinter groups that call themselves Christian, Muslim or Jew... The fact that those thres groups all came from ONE book originally should be enough to tell you that the words are muddled

Because while you say the Bible is the absolute 'Word of God', so will any Muslim  tell you that the Qu'ran is the absolute 'Word of God' and any Jew will tell you that the Torah is the absolute 'Word of God'

So which version of the absolute 'Word of God' is the correct one?

Either one is the only true words or they all are  :D

zorgon asked, So have you enough faith to move that mountain yet? Have you enough faith to move a cup across a table?

In the sense of that statement, the "mountain would be figurative, but no less a mountain, of whatever the issue. One of my "mountains" that God moved for me was health related. I had very physical issues, and was diagnosed with Multiple Sclerosis. I prayed about that mountain, and others prayed for me about that mountain, and I was healed. I worked another twenty years, moving up to executive levels, before retiring. For me, that was a pretty big mountain. Of course, for God/God's Word that was no big deal!

But, with God, our moving mountains is not a mind over matter thing. Nor is it a "magic power of the mind " thing. Those promises of God are "spiritual", and they are totally related to the power in God's Word. God's Word just is - - in that regard it is like the air we breath. It is not confined to a book. It is everywhere, and it is always available to respond to even the tiniest/smallest (mustard seed size) amount of faith, to "move that mountain".

zorgon, thanks so much for bringing our attention to all of those other scriptures that you posted. I understand you had reasons for posting them, but they too are very important and powerfully stated pieces of God's Word.

I am just curious why My comments go unresponded to...  Do I ask too much?  "Why a flood?"  "Why kill innocents and children?"  "Why 'Thou shalt not kill'...except for heathens...?"  (Or unless You're God...)

Well...  I believe in the power of the mind, in healings and such.  But I have an issue with this "God" thing in the Bible.

Hi zorgon, I just noticed this is my #400, thanks to you!!

zorgon said, "Why? Why does the word have to be in parables, riddles and paradoxical situations?

Why not just come out and say it, clearly so there is no possible confusion of what was meant?

You are a believer in that book, yet even you speak of paradoxical situations.


I may not have used exactly the right word, although, for me, it does address the situation. My using that term is related to the I posted following my isa of "paradoxical".

That was Mark 7:13-14

13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:

14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

The "paradox" is, a recognition by God, in his word, that although he sacrificed his son on the cross for all, "many" are not going to find the way. The "strait gate" is "narrow", and it leads to life (through his son). Any other way leads to "destruction".

Pretty simple, but it still is, for all, a very life or death paradox.

Quote from: rdunk on July 19, 2012, 10:34:59 PM
In the sense of that statement, the "mountain would be figurative, but no less a mountain, of whatever the issue.

That is what preacher say , yes. But the fig tree withering on the spot in context of the move mountain comment is EXACTLY mind over matter

QuoteOne of my "mountains" that God moved for me was health related. I had very physical issues, and was diagnosed with Multiple Sclerosis. I prayed about that mountain, and others prayed for me about that mountain, and I was healed. I worked another twenty years, moving up to executive levels, before retiring. For me, that was a pretty big mountain. Of course, for God/God's Word that was no big deal!

I do not deny prayer works... and am glad for you that it did...

It is jsut that the method works for those who do not believe in any gods. The Secret...that I have posted shows the same results can be achieved merely by the power in your own mind... no need of an outside deity

The power is in the Universe itself  and your mind can draw on this power

For you you prefer to name it God... because that is what you were taught and as such if it works for you, that is great. The key is having a focus point, be that a belief in a god, or looking into a crystal ball or candle

This is why I support anyone's belief... your god is as valid a focus as is my candle...

And when you can make that candle give off a blue light, then you can advance to the next level

Yes Jesus meant it literally when he said you can move that mountain if you but believe you can

Even Quantum Physics is beginning to see the truth of that :D

QuoteBut, with God, our moving mountains is not a mind over matter thing. Nor is it a "magic power of the mind " thing. Those promises of God are "spiritual", and they are totally related to the power in God's Word. God's Word just is - - in that regard it is like the air we breath. It is not confined to a book. It is everywhere, and it is always available to respond to even the tiniest/smallest (mustard seed size) amount of faith, to "move that mountain".

In your opinion... I do not agree. I know it is in the "magic power of the mind".  Spiritual yes, as spirit is one of the five elements.  You answer every mystery as "totally related to the power in God's Word. God's Word just is "

That doesn't work for me, as my mind can conceive far beyond merely accepting 'the word is all, the word just is'

If in your view god created me then why did he give me a mind that can ask these questions, only to be told "Thou shalt not question, thou shalt obey my word as is..  or you go straight to the guy with the pitchfork"

Makes no sense... I am not a Lotus Eater

Quotezorgon, thanks so much for bringing our attention to all of those other scriptures that you posted. I understand you had reasons for posting them, but they too are very important and powerfully stated pieces of God's Word.

The reasons for posting them is because they are supposedly the words of Jesus, a Master Rosicrucian who knew the answers and was teaching them to those that could understand. But as you have given an example, others interpret them differently.

Of the choices I would rather study the teachings offered by the secret societies than blind follow a book that has so much confusion ;)

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/44cosmic_wisdom/04images/Secret/Elements.jpg)

Regarding the bible, claimed Falsely to be the word of God...

The writings are only "Historical Writings", Nothing More Nothing Less.

Non of the writings are The Word of God !

"The WORD of God" was from the Awakening or beginning of Organized structuring.

The "WORD" is the Language (Communication) used in the "Processing System", ALL is produced through.

The writings have been, as the Carpenter (Builder) was reported to have said, and I Quote;

Quote39.   Jesus said,

"The Pharisees and the Scribes

have taken THE KEYS of KNOWLEDGE

and HIDDEN THEM.

They themselves have NOT entered,

nor have they allowed to enter those who wish to.

You, however, be as wise as serpents
and as innocent as doves."

Messed about with, by the human species namely the The "Pharisees" and the Scribes


Sorry.... I don't have the power to change History or Historical writings...

Now HOW would a "Scribes" HIDE The KEYS of KNOWLEDGE ?


I guess it would be by what the "Scribe" would either have Written
or Remove from these Historical Records.

The Bible "The WORD of God" ? I don't think so.

The WORD of God existed Eons before the human races were ever thought of
so the bible was NOT the First Book.

It is Written in The Goaspel According to John  Quote;

In the Beginning was "The WORD" !

The Bible was definitely NOT in the Beginning of "The ALL".

As is witten in "The Gospel According to John"... Ch 1 verses 1 to 13   Quote;

"The WORD" was God.... Spelling; G  O  D  in English

To understand this WORD we have to go back through the ZION Language (Now lost from the Earth) NOT Hebrew.


However the Language is still accessible through LIFE NOT the Flesh.

Quote from: Amaterasu on July 19, 2012, 10:56:39 PM
I am just curious why My comments go unresponded to...  Do I ask too much?  "Why a flood?"  "Why kill innocents and children?"  "Why 'Thou shalt not kill'...except for heathens...?"  (Or unless You're God...)

Well...  I believe in the power of the mind, in healings and such.  But I have an issue with this "God" thing in the Bible.

Amaterasu, now just why would you expect any comments on your comments? My goodness, this is only a forum!! ;) ;D

I am sure there are others here who can respond to your comments, also, but I will try to answer some of your questions.

1. No, you don't ask too much! Maybe we just aren't answering enough!

2. Why a flood? Why kill the innocents?

There were no "innocents". All of man were blood descendants of father Adam, who was a sinful man, and all coming after had Adam's "sin nature". Think of it this way - if you have a roomful of poisonous snakes, adults, younger ones, and baby snakes. If you want to live in that room, which snakes are you going to kill, and which snakes are you going to let live? I believe that is where God was on this. He has a plan for sacrificing a "savior" for man, and somehow that flood has to play a part in that plan.

In Genesis 6:5 the Word says that "God saw that the wickedness of man was great upon the earth"............ and in vs 6 the Word says "and it repented the Lord that he had made man on the Earth".....and in vs 7 the word says, "And the Lord said, I will destroy man, whom I have created, from the face of the earth"............ . vs 8 says "but, Noah found grace in the eyes of the Lord".

So, in God's eyes - and he looks upon man's heart - he saw only one man that "found grace in the eyes of the Lord", and that was Noah. All other air breathing beings were destined to die, except for those to be saved on the ark.

I hope this helps with your concerns on this piece of scriptural history! :)

Well now that makes no sense.  Noah must have been also of the same bloodline, n'est pas?  And what of His wives?

And what is the definition of "sin?"

And You still didn't answer why not just UNcreate the ones He didn't want?  Why a flood and not a *POOF*?  Why the horror of drowning for all?  It would have served the purpose just as well to *POOF* Them, or just put the "savior" in then and there.  And I struggle to see one single Human as having "found grace in the eyes of the Lord."

I just think it shows He is not omnipotent.

So...  Not really, no, it does not help.  Sorry.  [shrug]

What happened to "the Forgiveness of sins" ?

Is this Contradictory to some of the writings ?

I guess there is something wrong with the writings after all ?

zorgon, I fully understand most everything you say, relative to what you believe, and I do respect that. When I was very young I did much reading, and I even had a book titled "The Magic Power of the Mind". I was pretty amazed by some of the things said in that book. However, I don't know if any of the bigger claims were true. One of the claims was that when we look at a newspaper article, the eyes see, and the brain stores, the entire page, word for word. Hypnosis was used to prove that occurrence. And many others.

It also used a number of biblical scriptures, including the "ask anything, and it shall be done" scripture. I really believe God used some of that to show me his presence and the reality of the power of his Word, which pretty much was not being presented at that time in the church I was going to.

Anyway, I am completely comfortable with what I believe to be truth - - and prayer does change things!  ;)

 

Amaterasu, I will try one more time - so I will say it another way. God gave Adam dominion over this Earth, and Adam in essence gave to satan man's dominion.  Man continued in every sinful way. Here is what God saw in man.

Genesis 6

5 And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

While God doesn't have to check with us, one can assume he did not see the wickedness in the heart of Noah, and thus Noah found grace in the eyes of the Lord!

All others had to die, including the airbreathing animals, fowl, etc.

If you want to know more, then study the scripture! ;)

Usually people pray only when they don't agree or understand God.  Quote;

Quote6.   His disciples questioned Him and said to Him,

"Do You want us to fast?

How shall we pray?

Shall we give alms?

What diet shall we observe?

Jesus said, "Do not tell lies,
and do not what you hate,

for all things are plain
in the sight of Heaven.

For nothing hidden
will not become manifest,

and nothing covered
will remain without being uncovered."

And...

Quote14.  Jesus said to them,

"If you fast,
you will give rise to sin
for yourselves;

and if you pray,
you will be condemned;

and if you give alms,
you will do harm
to your spirits.

When you go into any land
and walk about in the districts,

if they receive you
eat what they will set
before you,

and heal the sick among them.

I am Powerless to change these "Historical Writings".

Quote from: rdunk on July 20, 2012, 12:38:16 AM
Amaterasu, I will try one more time - so I will say it another way. God gave Adam dominion over this Earth, and Adam in essence gave to satan man's dominion.  Man continued in every sinful way. Here is what God saw in man.

Genesis 6

5 And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

While God doesn't have to check with us, one can assume he did not see the wickedness in the heart of Noah, and thus Noah found grace in the eyes of the Lord!

All others had to die, including the airbreathing animals, fowl, etc.

If you want to know more, then study the scripture! ;)

I have read the Bible...  Several times.  Come out of it each time just shaking My head.  I cannot find a good definition of "sin."  I find many contradictory things.  And I just cannot believe God could find only one Human (and His wives, I presume) to be "good enough."  And STILL I have no idea why a flood.  Why not *POOF* the People He was unhappy with?

You keep telling Me what the Bible SAYS He did, but give nothing as to why He didn't just take care of it without the horror of drowning.  Nope.  I cannot open My acceptance to any "God" that would drown People instead of just making Them cease to be, if (S/He/It) was so dissatisfied with what (S/He/It) created.  That's just mean and...sinful, I guess, in My view.

It is hard to find much concrete proof in there Amy, its just a big book of metaphors....no offense anyone.
:)
Cheers!

Amaterasu, that would between you and God. Ask him if you have questions of him or his actions. He might give you an answer, if you earnesly seek him.

One point, you can "read the Bible" one thousand times, and if you have no spiritual discernment, you just won't get it! No matter how bright one is.

Proverbs 9:10
The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding.

Romans 11:33
O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!

Amaterasu, a first thing one needs to understand about God is, nothing is about us, it is all about him, and about the sacrifice he made to "set us free" from the death of sin!

Certainly, God made man, and he has made a way for us. But, then we also have a "free will. Adam exercised that free will when he disobeyed God in the Garden, which through generations eventually resulted in the flood. Adam is to blame for the flood, not God. God was doing what he had to do!!

When we are able to get our "self" out of the way, then we can begin to receive what God has for us in his word.

Just say'in!!

Isaiah 29:11-12  Quote;

Quote11. And the vision of all
is become unto you
as the words of a book
that is sealed,

which men deliver to one
that is learned saying,

Read this, I pray thee:
and he saith, I cannot;
for it is sealed:

12. And the book is delivered to him
that is not learned,
saying, Read this, I pray thee:

and he saith, I am not learned.

I was Once a Church goer (before 1973) but now I have seen the LIGHT.   ;D

Quote from: Littleenki on July 20, 2012, 02:11:38 AM
It is hard to find much concrete proof in there Amy, its just a big book of metaphors....no offense anyone.
:)
Cheers!

Hey littleenki, do you not know the physical proof is all around you, and includes "YOU"?
All that exists was made/started in someway/by somebody . So, I guess your need for proof lies in the thinking of your not knowing "who done it"! :))

And maybe you will be fortunate enough to find your answer to that question some day, BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE!

Jesus said, Quote;

Quote56.  Jesus said,

"Whoever has come to understand the world

has found only a corpse,

and whoever has found a corpse

is superior to the world."

Quote from: rdunk on July 20, 2012, 02:23:49 AM
Amaterasu, that would between you and God. Ask him if you have questions of him or his actions. He might give you an answer, if you earnesly seek him.

One point, you can "read the Bible" one thousand times, and if you have no spiritual discernment, you just won't get it! No matter how bright one is.

Proverbs 9:10
The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding.

Romans 11:33
O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!

Amaterasu, a first thing one needs to understand about God is, nothing is about us, it is all about him, and about the sacrifice he made to "set us free" from the death of sin!

Certainly, God made man, and he has made a way for us. But, then we also have a "free will. Adam exercised that free will when he disobeyed God in the Garden, which through generations eventually resulted in the flood. Adam is to blame for the flood, not God. God was doing what he had to do!!

When we are able to get our "self" out of the way, then we can begin to receive what God has for us in his word.

Just say'in!!

Well, rdunk...  Call Me a failure.  When I was younger, before I experienced being all/all-Consciousness, before I gave up on the idea of some God "out there," when I begged with all My heart for answers - I got nothing.  Later, after a journey through many spiritual paths, I had the experience that convinced Me Consciousness is "God," co-creating the NOW.  I was everything and every Being.  I was dimensionless, I was all dimensions.  And I could see the overall efforts of Consciousness to attain bliss in all experience. 

And from this experience I found an answer - whether it suits Others or not.  "God" is all of Us and everything, and We are co-creators creating the NOW.  NOW is the only thing that's real.  (Thank You, Skinny Puppy.)  We have far more power than most of Us believe.

And in the form of religious texts that cap the pronouns of "God," so too I cap the pronouns of the Ones I see as God.  Beings of sentience, sapience.  Humans and ET alike.  But the Bible still only seems to Me to be an incomplete history of events written by Those who did not understand what They were witnessing, translated by those with an agenda (I am led to believe that the phrase, "Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live," was a "translation" of something about not tolerating poisoners...) for the purpose of entraining  and controlling the masses.

If it brings You comfort, more power to You.  [smile]

Hi Amaterasu,

QuoteBut the Bible still only seems to Me to be an incomplete history of events written by Those who did not understand what They were witnessing, translated by those with an agenda (I am led to believe that the phrase, "Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live," was a "translation" of something about not tolerating poisoners...) for the purpose of entraining  and controlling the masses.

What you have written here, is 100% Correct.

Matrix Traveler, you said,

56.  Jesus said,

"Whoever has come to understand the world

has found only a corpse,

and whoever has found a corpse

is superior to the world."

Matrix, I have looked in several translations, and so far I don't find this. Can you give us the book of the bible this came from?

Pending getting the info, I will say what this looks like to me.

It is pretty obvious what is being said. In God's eyes, the "world" is already dead spiritually to sin (corpse), and knowing that comes with "understanding".

And whoever finds a corpse (dead sinful world, and knows it with "understanding), is absolutely superior to it.

That is what this says to me!

From "The Gospel of Thomas"

Quote from: The Matrix Traveller on July 20, 2012, 03:20:23 AM
Hi Amaterasu,

What you have written here, is 100% Correct.

So it would seem to Me.  [smile]  Others' realities seem to differ...  [shrug]

THE TRUTH ABOUT SCRIPTURE: Gospel of Reality

Right, I'll tell you all what I think.  I don't mind if you think I'm wrong/stupid.  But I ask you to consider what I say seriously at least once.  And please, nobody take this personally.  It applies to all scriptural religion.

Scripture and holy writings are often pretty dull, badly written history or stories.  At their best they describe spiritual experiences.  Second hand spiritual experiences.  Why would I want a spiritual experience meant for someone else?

So this mighty all knowing, all powerful God can do anything right?  Right!  So, if that God has a message for me, IT is big, clever and powerful enough not to need a book.  Especially not a 3500 year old book copied - incorrectly - countless times.

If God has a special message for me, if I'm ready to hear it, God will give that message straight to me.  Keep your BS message you worked out from your Bible that differs from the last preachers twisted message from their Bible who also thinks they know better than I do how to run my life.  It's nonsense.  Complete and utter tripe.  KEEP IT FOR YOURSELF! :P

Quote from: The Matrix Traveller on July 20, 2012, 03:26:34 AM
From "The Gospel of Thomas"

Thanks Matrix, but I will refrain any comments on "The Gospel of Thomas" "scripture", as for me it is very questionable relative to content and sources. Just too far out into left field for me to feel comfortable with it. Seems to be a lot of dispute regarding most aspects of it. It seems to be pretty much mostly only some sayings attributed to Jesus??

But, if it is something you like and trust, then use it!

Its Not a mater of Trust...

It is Historical writings...  Thats All.

Jesus made no mention of the Kings James version or any other bible.

But He did make mention of "The BOOK of LIFE" which is NOT the Bible !

He made No mention of the Roman Church neither did he tell us to run out and buy a bible.

Funny that... However I do question the Human leaders of the churches of the flesh.

On the other Hand, I Do NOT Question The LIGHT (LIFE).

After having been dead according to medical staff, for a period longer, than 30 min
(the fist time in 1973) I have a little insight to that which is NOT of the flesh.    ;D

THE TRUTH ABOUT SCRIPTURE: Gospel of Reality

Pimander, can't you just tell us how you REALLY FEEL about this?? No reason for you to keep it to yourself!!  ;D ;D

Seriously I do respect your opinions. zorgon does tell us that if there are thoughts we are not interested in, he says we should just stay away from them. I have tried that, and works well for me!

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/04images/animations/gorean004.gif)

Quote from: rdunk on July 20, 2012, 03:58:36 AM
zorgon does tell us that if there are thoughts we are not interested in, he says we should just stay away from them. I have tried that, and works well for me!

Oh, I am interested in the effects of scripture.  I am interested in reversing the effects.  I want people to think and experience the spiritual for themselves.  8)

Matrix - "But He did make mention of "The BOOK of LIFE" which is NOT the Bible" !

Yes you are right about that, and it also is not a book of scripture. The Book of Life" is the book the Lord will use on the day of "judgement".

Revelation 20:12
And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their work

Revelation 20:15
And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Quote from: rdunk on July 19, 2012, 11:01:26 PM
Hi zorgon, I just noticed this is my #400, thanks to you!!

Your welcome.. :D

And do not take anything said as an attack against you... we merely don't agree

From what I have seen, he is a very cruel entity. Gets mad really easy at his 'children' and throws tantrums when they dare question him.

"Thou shalt have no other God before me"

Well if there is only one god, then isn't that a moot point? Seems the jealous type to me

And I always had an issue with that whole garden of Eden thing where the Reptilian chats with Eve (like it was natural talking to Reptilians back in the day). So this Reptilian convinces Eve to eat that fruit and Mankind gets Knowledge... something the bearded guy wants to withhold from us (sounds like the PTB)

Then when He finds out, he throws a hissy fit, kicks everyone out of Paradise to some Desert in Iran/Persia and makes Reptilians the bad guy.

The reason? because they might have eaten that other secret fruit and become like the 'gods' and live forever

Genesis 3:22
And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live forever:

Genesis 1:26
And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:

So here we have a problem... seems there are more than one 'god' and they sure as hell don't want us to be likr them and live forever (that is why 95% of our DNA, 'our tree of life') is inactive  :D


I have more but a short intermission... though still on topic

I think this covers it very nicely  and Kirk gets zapped by lightning for daring to ask a question  :D

What Does God Need With a Starship?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkT1-N0VqUc

Quote from: rdunk on July 20, 2012, 03:58:36 AM
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/04images/animations/gorean004.gif)

LMAO

Hallowed are the Ori  :P

I'm with You, Pim.  Having had a most profound experience, Myself, I highly recommend such experiences, on a personal level, to everyOne.  I cannot say My experience is one that "fits all," nor do I say My experience is the only truth out there.  All I know is that it was/is right for Me.  It gave Me a perspective I would not have had otherwise.

"Know Thyself."  [smile]

Quote from: zorgon on July 20, 2012, 04:12:05 AM
What Does God Need With a Starship?

Or a flood,
or plagues,
or a book to tell you what IT wants?

God doesn't need any of these things.  People who want to control you tell you God needs them.....

ANY QUESTIONS FOLKS?

Quote from: rdunk on July 20, 2012, 04:11:04 AM
Matrix - "But He did make mention of "The BOOK of LIFE" which is NOT the Bible" !

Agreed St Peters Book of Life is one of the few things we agree on.

From yahoo answers... to show public opinion

What's the name of St. Peter's book?
St. Peter stands at the gate of heaven, allowing people to enter should God see them fit. I remember hearing that they sign their name in a book. Does anyone know what the book is called? Thanks!

Best Answer - Chosen by Voters
"Fairy tales for the uninspired"

okay so much for public opinion ;)

Better answer;
The Book of Life, but that whole story is just an allegory. St. Peter looks in the book to see if their name is already written there.

Rev.3:5: "He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels."

And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire (Rev. 20:15)

Another reply, less eloquent;

"They don't sign in. They are looked up in the Book of Life. If they aren't in it, they don't get in."

Now see? Here again is where I have a problem... 

The Akashic Record, the real Book of Life, holds everything and everyone. There is no 'good old boys' club that leaves you out of eternity because your name is not in the book

As far as I am concerned, the Biblical 'book of life' is an adapted version of the Akashic Record that was twisted to place the fear of god into followers

Why does god need people to fear him? What's up with that? More and more sounds like the PTB.. Maybet that is why the slogan of the US is 'In God we Trust' and the slogan used by the Brits is 'God save the Queen, and Hitlers army marched under 'Gott mit Uns' (God with Us)

Always loved that prayer  "The Lord is THY Shepherd, Thou Shall not Want..."  yeah good little sheep, the Church will tend their flocks

So if ones name is not found written in the book of life you get  cast into the lake of fire?  Wow that guy sounds truly evil in my opinion

Why would I want to "WORSHIP" a deity that gets angry, needs me to bow down to him, wants me to fear him, and from time to time destroys the world on a whim because some people didn't feel like doing it his way?

And more to the point, why bother making us have a mind to think for ourselves, if what he REALLY wants is Lemmings?

And WHY did he need to make mosquitoes, brown recluse, scorpions and a host of other nasty critters? Heck even HE didn't want to take to many of those on that ark

::)

I believe the book of life corresponds to the akashic records.  I haven't moved a cup across a table using my mind, but I have lifted a 180# man off a table using my mind.

Shasta

Quote from: The Matrix Traveller on July 20, 2012, 03:54:15 AM
Jesus made no mention of the Kings James version or any other bible.

He made No mention of the Roman Church neither did he tell us to run out and buy a bible.

But he did say this (well at least they claim he said this) Since the Bible is 'Gospel' then this must be what he did say  8)

Mark 4:11 - - -

He told them, "The secret of the kingdom of God has been given to you. But to those on the outside everything is said in parables

Luke 8:10 - - -

He said, "The knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of God has been given to you, but to others I speak in parables, so that, "'though seeing, they may not see; though hearing, they may not understand.' 

And today we are seeing exactly that in all the world religions. They read the words and pick and chose how to interpret them but they don't really know. That is why we have a thousand religions today

In that context he is speaking as an Esoteric Master to his pupils, a true Secret Society of the "Twelve Around the One".  Many people miss that even new age seekers, but t is so very important to note that he was ONE with 12 disciples

The Movie Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001DTPZNY/ref=as_li_qf_sp_asin_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=211189&creative=373489&creativeASIN=B001DTPZNY&link_code=as3&tag=pegasreseacon-20) had the 12 crystal skulls

It is very hard to find the data these days I notice :D Wonder why? But this is where the movie got it from

Crystal Skulls - Sacred Geometry

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"Twelve Around the One" from Sacred Geometry

Twelve around the One - The Mirror of the Sacred Zodiac

We will cover this topic in the Sacred Geometry section of our website, but as this item came up during a search for crystal skulls, it is worthy of mention here. When we have more direct info on the relation of the skulls we will add it here.

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Quote from: Shasta56 on July 20, 2012, 04:58:48 AM
I believe the book of life corresponds to the akashic records.  I haven't moved a cup across a table using my mind, but I have lifted a 180# man off a table using my mind.

Shasta

:o  Now THAT conjures up an interesting image LOL

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Levitation of Saint Francis (circa 1640)

What I find amazing is that in Early Christianity the ability to levitate was a gift from God and they were made saints... then during and after the infamous Inquisition suddenly it was witchcraft and the work of Satan to fly

How does it go from being a gift of God one day for thousands of years, to being the work of Satan almost overnight?

Did God write a new book somewhere I missed?

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St. Joseph of Cupertino, The Flying Frier

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Jesus Levitates on Water
List of levitating saints

    Saint Alphonsus Liguori
    Saint Archangela Girlani
    Saint Catherine of Siena
    Saint Francis of Paola
    Saint Francis Xavier
    Saint Ignatius Loyola
    Saint John Bosco
    Saint John Joseph of the Cross
    Saint Martin de Porres
    Saint Michael Garicoits
    Blessed Miguel Pro
    Saint Paul of the Cross
    Saint Peter Claver
    Saint Peter of Alcantara
    Saint Philip Neri
    Saint Teresa of Avila
    Saint Thomas Aquinas
    Saint Seraphim of Sarov

The Original Flying Nun

Saint Teresa of Avila

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Teresa of Avila: The Progress of a Soul
Cathleen Medwick (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0385501293/ref=as_li_qf_sp_asin_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=211189&creative=373489&creativeASIN=0385501293&link_code=as3&tag=pegasreseacon-20)

Teresa of Ávila (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teresa_of_%C3%81vila)


Then suddenly, like someone threw a switch, the art of levitating or flying became a thing that Witches and Warlocks did, to be cured by burning at the stake 'Ye sahll not suffer a Witch to live..."

What happened?

Quote from: The Executioner on July 20, 2012, 04:19:07 AM
ANY QUESTIONS FOLKS?

Yes... just one...

Are YOU the New World Inquisition?

::)

{{{Quicky hides behind a big rock}}}

Argh! The King James bible? Now I wont sleep all night thinking of that brain child of the Church of England!

And as for any churches or religions, they arent necessary to understand what is there for the taking and learning.

Everything in any bible from whatever time is basically a newer version of the last, twisted and contorted into whatever is the need of the time.

Cults.

A book of metaphors is what we get from the Church of England and the Catholic religion, and to look closely at the words within them shows us that many of the wonderous characters were just names used to tell stories which have been passed down from millenia ago.

Quote2 Corinthians 3:6 Who also has made us able ministers of the new testament, not of the letter but of the spirit for the letter kills but the spirit gives life.

QuoteActs 7:48 The most high dwells not in temples made with hands.

QuoteLuke 17:21 The Kingdom of God is within you.

It is not in a church or a religion.

It is within you.

Everything in the Bible is a mythological study of the human mind and body.

Quote1 Corinthians 3:16 You are the temple of God. For the temple of God is Holy which temple you are.

More symbolism? How about a 90 year old woman who gets pregnant?

QuoteGalatians 4:24 Which things are an allegory for these are the two covenants.

A quote from Bill Donahue....

QuoteHere we are told that the story of Abraham, Sarah, and Hagar, is an allegory.

It never happened.

Of course it never happened.

90 year old women don't have babies.

It is a symbolic story.

Here the Bible doesn't just comment on the Abraham, Sarah, Hagar, story.

It says, "which things are an allegory", meaning stories such as this in the Bible are symbolic.

It goes right along with the warning to all of us not to take scripture literally, when it says be not a minister of the letter.

So, where could that center of the universe be?

Look inside yourselves! There it is!

Cheers!

QuoteAnd today we are seeing exactly that in all the world religions. They read the words and pick and chose how to interpret them but they don't really know. That is why we have a thousand religions today

BINGO.... No truer words ever spoken Z....

Back to that Mustard Seed Faith vs Mind Over Matter

I had lost this until I found it just now :D Most of my study notes were before the computer so its all in reams of paper... but I was looking for Jesus' YODA speech :D and I found it with this picture... so today was a good day... despite that scary looking guy with the axe   :o

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John 14:12

Jesus went out to them, walking on the lake. When the disciples saw him walking on the lake, they were terrified. "It's a ghost," they said, and cried out in fear. But Jesus immediately said to them: "Take courage! It is I. Don't be afraid.""Lord, if it's you," Peter replied, "tell me to come to you on the water.""Come," he said.  Then Peter got down out of the boat, walked on the water and came toward Jesus. But when he saw the wind, he was afraid and, beginning to sink, cried out, "Lord, save me!" Immediately Jesus reached out his hand and caught him. "You of little faith," he said, "why did you doubt?"

"Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes in Me, the works that I do, he will do also; and greater works than these he will do; because I go to the Father.
So there you go...as soon as Peter started to doubt, he got wet...

The same way Luke lost the control of the ship

Luke:
"I can't believe it."

Yoda:
"That is why you fail."

Oh yeah, matrix, right on!

Oh, a link for Bill Donahue...

http://www.hiddenmeanings.com/storiesjuly02.html

Cheers!

QuoteSo, where could that center of the universe be?

Look inside yourselves! There it is!

BINGO.... Now an't that the Truth.    ;D

Quote from www.Hiddenmeanings.com ...

QuoteTWELVE CRANIAL NERVES ARE THE TWELVE TRIBES

The twelve tribes are actually the 12 cranial nerves of the human brain.

They surround the tabernacle or the temple which is the center.

This is exciting, because we now realize that the Bible is not talking about something on the desert, but something that is alive and within us.

There are no 12 tribes, but there are 12 cranial nerves, and they are inside of your head.


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THE TWELVE TRIBES

These are the 12 cranial nerves .

THEY ARE INSIDE OF YOU AND THIS IS WHAT THEY ARE CALLED

Olfactory, Optic, Motor Oculi, Trochlear, Trifacial, Abducent, Facial, Auditory, Glosso pharyngeal, Pnumogastric or Vagus, Spinal  accessory, Hypoglossal.

All of the cranial nerves are connected to some part of the surface of the brain.


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THIS IS THE POSITIONING OF THE 12 TRIBES

AROUND THE TABERNACLE

And so since we have  concluded that the things in the Bible never happened, we realize that the positioning of the 12 tribes around the tabernacle is actually the positioning of the 12 cranial nerves around the brain.

So what do we have ? 

Do we have 12 tribes. No.

Do we have 12 cranial nerves , yes.

And they are connected to the brain which is the center or the light.

NOW CONSIDER WHO THE TWELVE DISCIPLES OF JESUS ARE

Did someone bring up twelve?:D
Cheers!

Here is 12.... The Ring of 12.

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For the record Zorgon's official position on Religion

'Religion' is EVIL...

Now before yawl POUNCE on me... :P

Religion is invented by man to control select groups of people. We here at conspiracy sites are always talking of how people are treated as sheep by the PTB...

Well WHO are the PTB?  The government to a point, yes, but not all government agencies treat people like sheep

But religions... now THERE is your control. Christianity comes right out and says it to you face, clear and plain... "The Lord is thy Shepherd"   The Churches speak of their congregation as THEIR FLOCK...

Really? Well I don't need a Shepherd, I am a black sheep and will take my chances

WHY are there so many religions? So many factions WITHIN those religions?

Because its all about CONTROL

You do not need a religion to worship your God, whoever or what ever that may be for you...

Undo says she follows no specific sect of Christianity, just believes in Jesus

Fantastic... there ya go... who needs all the trappings of a church with all their icons and gold... Jesus didn't have a church... he taught outside...

We have three major Religions that all stem from ONE. Over thousands of years greedy and controlling and conniving EVIL men have rewritten ancient texts to suit their needs and created new version to get 'their piece of the pie'

When one interpretation didn't suit the needs of a few, they branched off to create a new one.

Look at the Anglicans The ONLY reason they split from the Catholic Church was so Henry could get a divorce... thats it  NO spiritual factor involved. Pure and simple personal power

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You don't need religion to show the way to God, no matter what you call god. Its a personal Journey to Enlightenment that has MANY roads that all meet at the end, and all THOSE roads do NOT lead to Rome as they would have you believe

"burntheship - The Catholic Church think they are the only ones "

So do the Jews
So do the Muslim

Unfortunately The Shepherds need to maintain their flocks for control. If the sheep all went out on their own as Jesus and Buddha taught, the Temples with the Money Changers would be empty and they would have NO POWER over the people

burntheships "its their way or the highway -  they are empty clouds - and instead of shepherds they are ranchers"

I will tell you this... in my years of seeking out answers I have spoken with many priests, preachers, etc of many religions. I found the preacher 'on the street' as it were to be the least helpful. They were the type that just gave to standard programed replies like "It's not ours to question the word... just to obey.."

I then spoke with MonSigneurs(Italian), Rabbis and Imams and I discovered that they all do not deny they are all worshiping THE SAME god.  but then they go on to tell me why their version is the only TRUE version.

I will say in all fairness that not ONE of these higher clergy ever once tried to convert me... they merely answered my questions as best they could and wished me well on my search, and that their door was always open (This was in Toronto in the 70's... it was a lot more tolerant back then too :P )

burntheships "in the end I think you will see them compromise what they now hold as truth...yes"

When they compromise... they will BE the ORI  and then Stargate SG1 will be the final Chapter

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The Tibetans have a sign over the gate to the Potala in Lhasa. Translated it reads;

"A Thousand Monks, A Thousand Religions"

When the world understands the truth of this...

There will be peace on Earth

Quote from: Littleenki on July 20, 2012, 05:39:44 AM
Oh yeah, matrix, right on!

Oh, a link for Bill Donahue...

http://www.hiddenmeanings.com/storiesjuly02.html

Cheers!

Quite an interesting link, there, Dave.  Definitely food for thought.  Thanks.  [smile]

Quote from: zorgon on July 20, 2012, 06:28:48 AM
You don't need religion to show the way to God, no matter what you call god. Its a personal Journey to Enlightenment that has MANY roads that all meet at the end, and all THOSE roads do NOT lead to Rome as they would have you believe

I have always thought of this "God" concept much as an elephant, and We, the blind men.  We all come questing for Our spiritual enlightenment, each by Our own life path, and touch a part of this thing called "God."  Along the road, We had heard of things that God "must be," and touch with that understanding preset in Our expectation, and like the blind men, We then describe what We have touched in those terms.

But none of Us have touched the whole - We are lucky to touch so much as a few cells on an earlobe.  So all of Us are partly right - yet all of Us are wrong...


John Godfrey Saxe's ( 1816-1887) version of the famous Indian legend,


It was six men of Indostan
To learning much inclined,
Who went to see the Elephant
(Though all of them were blind),
That each by observation
Might satisfy his mind.

The First approach'd the Elephant,
And happening to fall
Against his broad and sturdy side,
At once began to bawl:
"God bless me! but the Elephant
Is very like a wall!"

The Second, feeling of the tusk,
Cried, -"Ho! what have we here
So very round and smooth and sharp?
To me 'tis mighty clear
This wonder of an Elephant
Is very like a spear!"

The Third approached the animal,
And happening to take
The squirming trunk within his hands,
Thus boldly up and spake:
"I see," quoth he, "the Elephant
Is very like a snake!"

The Fourth reached out his eager hand,
And felt about the knee.
"What most this wondrous beast is like
Is mighty plain," quoth he,
"'Tis clear enough the Elephant
Is very like a tree!"

The Fifth, who chanced to touch the ear,
Said: "E'en the blindest man
Can tell what this resembles most;
Deny the fact who can,
This marvel of an Elephant
Is very like a fan!"

The Sixth no sooner had begun
About the beast to grope,
Then, seizing on the swinging tail
That fell within his scope,
"I see," quoth he, "the Elephant
Is very like a rope!"

And so these men of Indostan
Disputed loud and long,
Each in his own opinion
Exceeding stiff and strong,
Though each was partly in the right,
And all were in the wrong!

MORAL.

So oft in theologic wars,
The disputants, I ween,
Rail on in utter ignorance
Of what each other mean,
And prate about an Elephant
Not one of them has seen!

QuoteQuote
So, where could that center of the universe be?
Look inside yourselves! There it is!

Quote from: The Matrix Traveller on July 20, 2012, 05:42:23 AM
BINGO.... Now an't that the Truth.    ;D

I think that is what some of us have been trying to say...

So let me add one more scripture to clarify this thought

Jesus said;

Luke 17:21
Neither shall they say,  'Look, here!' or, 'Look, there!',  for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

Here's another Sticky one...   :D  Quote;

Quote74.    He said,

"O Lord, there are many around the drinking trough,

but there is nothing in the cistern."

;D

Quote from: zorgon on July 20, 2012, 05:27:06 AM
Yes... just one...

Are YOU the New World Inquisition?

::)

{{{Quicky hides behind a big rock}}}

Me?  I'm just the cleaner. (http://www.easyfreesmileys.com/smileys/free-evil-grin-smileys-754.gif)

Ah, lovely.  Maid service!

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QuoteYou shall not cease from exploration
And the end of all our journeying
Will be to arrive where we started
And know the place for the first time.

~ Eliot, T. S. in 'Little Gidding V', from 'Four Quartets' 1942

QuoteA man travels the world over in search of what he needs, and returns home to find it.

~George Moore (1852 - 1933) Irish author, poet, dramatist

What do those of Us who have no home find...I wonder...

Quote from: Amaterasu on July 20, 2012, 06:48:14 AM
Quite an interesting link, there, Dave.  Definitely food for thought.  Thanks.  [smile]

Thanks, Amy, Bill has been sharing with many for a while now, and his deciphering of the bible and the ancient teachings are very astute and wise.

He does videos too, so when you get YT back, Ill send some links from his channel...hidden meanings.

We can learn some of the wonderous things about our past, and when we find the real meanings we can understand why mankind has been so "wool pulled over the eyes" for so long, we can see just how evil our religions really are..

Not to sound like a satanist or bad guy, but didnt someone say that the churches are the devil and Satan was a symbol of the true god once?

It would seem to me that even though I dont believe in Satan, or A bearded dude on a cloud...God..the system we know of as religion has become quite ass backwards...Falwell, Bakker, Virgins when dead, Vatican protecting pedophiles because the Greeks decided that it was ok to sodomize young boys in the interest of celebacy with priest's wives.Argh!!!

Disgusting and perverted if you ask me!

Cheers!

Yeah, Zorgon, I was eighteen and proving a point to some skeptics.  It scared the crap out of the guy that I lifted.  He was a jerk.  He deserved to have crap scared out of him.

Shasta

Yes, something has become very twisted.  Any order that approves raping young boys over normal sex with consenting women...  Hmmmm.  Yeah.

Any sect that suggests Humans are sheep...

[sigh]  Many now are starting to think for Themselves, though...  Hopefully a good sign.

Quote from: Amaterasu on July 20, 2012, 03:05:20 PM
Yes, something has become very twisted.  Any order that approves raping young boys over normal sex with consenting women...  Hmmmm.  Yeah.

Any sect that suggests Humans are sheep...

[sigh]  Many now are starting to think for Themselves, though...  Hopefully a good sign.

Hopefully indeed!
Sheeple?
Time for a heaping plate of haggus!:D
Le

Think I'l be passin' on the haggis, I will.  But I get Yer point, I do.  [smile]

Ill let the sheep know, Amy, theyll be elated!:-):-)
Le

Well for what it is worth, I have been a Christian for many years. And over that time, I have learned much, and I have seen much. I have been in Methodist churches, I have been in Baptist churches, and I have been in non-denominational churches. And never have I witnessed most of the negative things being mentioned here "about religion". 

Yes satan is very real, and no, IMO, things are not "twisted". The "twist" being mentioned is the absolute evidence of satanic involvement in the lives of people. Like it or not, this is a spiritual and demented world we live in.

When people become Christians, they are made perfect in Christ, but, they still live here, in this world, in the "fleshly" sinful nature of man. The "fight" with satan is magnified for a Christian, because all others are his anyway.

So, should be no surprise that we see bad things happening with good people. Yes, bad things are bad, and people should know better, but the spiritual battle continues. The perversion we have seen in the news relative to some supposedly Christians is disgusting to all of us, absolutely disgusting. God will deal with that too!

Becoming a Christian is the first step. Growing in God's Word, and developing a continuing relationship with God is a life-long endeavor. As a Christian learns and grows in God's Word, he is more able to fight the battle, and contend with "the fiery darts" of satan.

Being a Christian is all about trusting God, loving God, and loving your "neighbor" (meaning all others) as you love yourself. 

This is provided as sincere and heartfelt information, of my own personal thoughts and experience with what is being termed "religion".

I do respect each of your posts, discussing your likewise sincere beliefs and belief systems!!

Quote from: rdunk on July 20, 2012, 04:30:31 PM
When people become Christians, they are made perfect in Christ, but, they still live here, in this world, in the "fleshly" sinful nature of man. The "fight" with satan is magnified for a Christian, because all others are his anyway.

Implying that to be "perfect" one must be a Christian and all none Christians belong to Satan!

Absolute nonsense.  This kind of talk is fear induced, prejudiced and sickening dogma. This is precisely what I would call religion at its worst.

Sorry, you have a right to believe whatever you will but I think what you believe is dangerous and has harmed humanity for centuries and will continue to do so.

Quote from: rdunk on July 20, 2012, 04:30:31 PM
Becoming a Christian is the first step.

If becoming a Chistian involves believing the above then I would not recommend anyone does so.

Quote from: rdunk on July 20, 2012, 04:30:31 PM
Being a Christian is all about trusting God, loving God, and loving your "neighbor" (meaning all others) as you love yourself.

Wrong!  Being a good PERSON is about loving your neighbour.  Trusting and loving God are a matter of personal choice! 


Dangerous nonsense!

I'm with You, Pim.  I think the dogma of the modern Christianity as most practice it is devised to divide and conquer.  Devised to lower Self-esteem.  Devised to make sheep out of Humans.   Devised to encourage non-thinking, obedient behavior.  Devised to promote the idea We are "wicked."

In fact, 99% of Us are NOT wicked.  We do the best We can, and at least do no major harm to Others unless We are manipulated into war - which is Ours to choose, I admit, but They are very good at guilting Us and otherwise using Their propaganda to push the sheep in the fold in the direction They want.

The Karminsky Experience - Exploration



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjCvTiiG1n4






Reuben Halsey - The Meaning Of Life




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxr4kOUKA3M





8)

The center of the Universe is just a matter of viewpoint.

From the Sun's viewpoint, everything is revolving around it.

From the our viewpoint on the Earth, some might say that everything is
revolving around us.

From each person viewpoint they may think the world revolves around
themself.

Truth is that the Cosmos doesn't care what viewpoint we take; it just goes on revolving like it always has.

So Eienstein was right - in that sense that there does exist a
law of relativity.

What was the center of the universe today may not be in 100 years.

Have we exhusted the exploration of the entire Universe?

As mans knoweldge increases so does his understanding of
The Universe. What was once is now no more.

Ptolemy's simple geocentric model of the Solar System. Everything orbits the Earth; the Sun can be found in the fourth ring. 
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Copernicus's heliocentric model of the Solar System. The Earth is found in the third ring, with the Moon orbiting it. Note that Jupiter is surrounded by the four moons known at the time—the so-called "Galilean moons."

(http://jmccrackenworld.com/Copernicus_-_Heliocentric_Solar_System.jpg)

A perfect example of this:

The Galileo affair

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Quotea sequence of events, beginning around 1610, during which Galileo Galilei came into conflict with the Aristotelian scientific view of the universe (supported by the Catholic Church), over his support of Copernican astronomy.[1]

In 1610, Galileo published his Sidereus Nuncius (Starry Messenger), describing the surprising observations that he had made with the new telescope, namely the phases of Venus and the Galilean moons of Jupiter. He went on to propose a theory of tides in 1616, and of comets in 1619. He argued that the tides were evidence for the motion of the Earth, and promoted the heliocentric theory of Copernicus (published in De revolutionibus orbium coelestium in 1543).These ideas created conflicts with other scientists and Catholic scholars. Galileo's part in the controversies over theology, astronomy, and philosophy culminated in his trial and sentencing by the Roman Inquisition in 1633 on a grave suspicion of heresy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_affair

Then, the apology.

QuoteIn 2000, Pope John Paul II issued a formal apology for all the mistakes committed by some Catholics in the last 2,000 years of the Catholic Church's history, including the trial of Galileo among others
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_affair

Then again, what do we really know now, and what will we know tomorrow?

Quoteastronomers look at distant
galaxies to determine how fast they're moving, it looks like they're all
moving away from us. Does that mean we're at the center of the universe?
Well, no. It turns out that every point in the universe sees itself as the center! http://www.exploratorium.edu/hubble/tools/center.html

But, that does not make it so!

How do your know your ideas and perceptions are right
....as with the past so the future.



A little off the topic, yet its really the center of the center.

Do we attempt to be experts at the law, and if so is the law
of love the greatest law?


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On one occasion an expert in the law stood up to test Jesus. "Teacher," he asked, "what must I do to inherit eternal life?"

26 "What is written in the Law?" he replied. "How do you read it?"

27 He answered, "'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind'[a]; and, 'Love your neighbor as yourself.'"

28 "You have answered correctly," Jesus replied. "Do this and you will live."

29 But he wanted to justify himself, so he asked Jesus, "And who is my neighbor?"

30 In reply Jesus said: "A man was going down from Jerusalem to Jericho, when he was attacked by robbers. They stripped him of his clothes, beat him and went away, leaving him half dead. 31 A priest happened to be going down the same road, and when he saw the man, he passed by on the other side. 32 So too, a Levite, when he came to the place and saw him, passed by on the other side. 33 But a Samaritan, as he traveled, came where the man was; and when he saw him, he took pity on him. 34 He went to him and bandaged his wounds, pouring on oil and wine. Then he put the man on his own donkey, brought him to an inn and took care of him. 35 The next day he took out two denarii[c] and gave them to the innkeeper. 'Look after him,' he said, 'and when I return, I will reimburse you for any extra expense you may have.'

36 "Which of these three do you think was a neighbor to the man who fell into the hands of robbers?"

37 The expert in the law replied, "The one who had mercy on him."

Jesus told him, "Go and do likewise."
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+10%3A25-37&version=NIV

So, what may be the center of your universe one moment, may not be
in another. Life is not static, it is dynamic.

Keep exploring!  8)

Quote from: burntheships on July 20, 2012, 07:46:27 PM

That sort of sums up in a way in words what I was trying to say with those 2 songs.

Thank you and great post!  ;D  8)

@A51,

And thank you for the videos!
Yes, it seems we are on the same thought plane.

;D  8)

bts, thank you so much! The story about the "Good Samaritan" is the absolute definition of what is meant by "neighbor" in reference to "love". This story is told so simply and clearly, there is just no way to misunderstand its message, IMO.

Quote from: rdunk on July 20, 2012, 10:32:51 PM
The story about the "Good Samaritan" is the absolute definition of what is meant by "neighbor" in reference to "love".

Reaching out to help others leaves us ( I/me) far from the center
of the universe! Yes, indeed. Thanks R!

And on a humorous note, this gives new meaning and food for thought
to the idea of The Hitchhikers Guide To The Galaxy!

;)  8)

Ah yes, the Good Sameritan!  :D





http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8pLTI3Y9WU




Not the torturer will scare me
Nor the body's final fall

Nor the barrels of death's rifles
Nor the shadows on the wall

Nor the night when to the ground
The last dim star of pain, is hurled

But the blind indifference
Of a merciless, unfeeling world



Lying in the burnt out shell
Of some Albanian farm

An old Babushka
Holds a crying baby in her arms

A soldier from the other side
A man of heart and pride

Breaks ranks, lays down his rifle
To kneel by her side

He gives her water
Binds her wounds
And calms the crying child

A touch gives absolution then
Across the great divide

He picks his way back through the broken
China of her life

And there at the curb
The samaritan Serb turns and waves ... goodbye



And each small candle
Lights a corner of the dark

Each small candle
Lights a corner of the dark

Each small candle
lights a corner of the dark


When the wheel of pain stops turning

And the branding iron stops burning

When the children can be children

When the desperados weaken

When the tide rolls into greet them

And the natural law of science

Greets the humble and the mighty

And the billion candles burning

Lights the dark side of every human mind


Each small candle
Each small candle
Each small candles lights the dark side of every human mind

And each small candle
Lights a corner of the dark



- Roger Waters - Each Small Candle -



(note: the above is a true story)

Great!!!  Now that we are all on the same page...

I think I will reprogram the Matrix..

::)

10....  9....   8....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EX-uzP6BdjI

I created a little software program from VB6 I call Infinite eye.

So I asked it, can Zorgon change the Matrix

(http://i45.servimg.com/u/f45/13/55/53/83/80933810.gif)

Quote from: The Matrix Traveller on July 20, 2012, 03:54:15 AM
Its Not a mater of Trust...

It is Historical writings...  Thats All.

Jesus made no mention of the Kings James version or any other bible.

But He did make mention of "The BOOK of LIFE" which is NOT the Bible !

He made No mention of the Roman Church neither did he tell us to run out and buy a bible.

Funny that... However I do question the Human leaders of the churches of the flesh.

On the other Hand, I Do NOT Question The LIGHT (LIFE).

After having been dead according to medical staff, for a period longer, than 30 min
(the fist time in 1973) I have a little insight to that which is NOT of the flesh.    ;D

Would you say the Bible is the History of The Matrix?, also how would you compare other Religious books as well?, do they all have pieces of the Puzzle, The Mind Puzzle?.

So something The Matrix Traveller mentioned, on one of his other posts, was the different names used in The Bible, something that is a confusion at first, i had wondered what are the reason for all the different names of God in the Bible.

And so i happened to just be reading a bit of The Bible, and I can see what The Matrix Traveller means now, in regards to say when it says The Lord Your God.

The Matrix Traveller said something that was interesting, something like this, that when it says The Lord or The Lord Your God (as it does a lot in the bible and similar sayings in there).

That it means in some instances You as the Lord Your God, like, Lording over YOUR Life, (cannot find the post were the matrix traveller, talked about name definitions, so will have to wait for his response as well).

So I was reading some of the Bible and it puts it in a better context, how people are lost when they turn away from The Lord Thy God.

Quote from: NewTheories on July 21, 2012, 02:24:26 AM

That it means in some instances You as the Lord Your God, like, Lording over YOUR Life

As Matrix would say..

BINGO

"Unto thee I grant... The Secret" (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=31.msg196#msg196)

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/44cosmic_wisdom/04images/Secret/Genie_001.png) (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=31.msg196#msg196)

Zorgon, when you reprogram the matrix, feel free to leave out haggis and golf.  Oatmeal cooked in a sheep's stomach and beating a little ball with a club?  What were my ancestors thinking?

Shasta

Quote from: A51Watcher on July 20, 2012, 09:35:27 PM

That sort of sums up in a way in words what I was trying to say with those 2 songs.

Thank you and great post!  ;D  8)

A couple of good mixes there A51! Nice!:D
Le

Quote from: Shasta56 on July 21, 2012, 03:39:34 AM
Zorgon, when you reprogram the matrix, feel free to leave out haggis and golf.  Oatmeal cooked in a sheep's stomach and beating a little ball with a club?  What were my ancestors thinking?

Or drinking....(http://www.acourtwilliams.co.uk/work_images/sheep_dip.jpg)

Shasta

Cheers!:D

Quote from: zorgon on July 21, 2012, 02:49:49 AM
As Matrix would say..

BINGO

"Unto thee I grant... The Secret" (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=31.msg196#msg196)

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/44cosmic_wisdom/04images/Secret/Genie_001.png) (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=31.msg196#msg196)

Yep, as you said in your thread there are different levels to the secret, and other viewpoints, here is a example of how the secret works in Gnostic Christianity "Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven,"  is what the Gnostic says, because the Gnostic only performs the will of his Innermost on earth as it is in heaven.


"The black magicians of the school of Sodom say that black magic does not exist, that it is only a superstition. They say that the evil and hateful thoughts emitted by evil minds are disintegrated, since "the cosmos" is pure goodness. Therefore, it cannot serve as an instrument for the forces of evil.

The goal of the above noted statement of the black magicians from the school of Sodom is to justify their tenebrous teachings in order to give them the false appearance of being pure White Magic.

The cosmos is the whole infinite, and in the cosmos there are many things. As above, so below.

If a thought emitted by an evil one is disintegrated at once, why then is a not bullet disintegrated in the atmosphere? Why does the cosmos serve as an instrument for a bullet that is going to kill a human being, who might be an elder or a child? If that concept of the black magicians from the school of Sodom is true, then the bullet would disintegrate itself at once.

Possibly they would argue by saying to me that the bullet is a material body, and a thought is not. Yet, this is not a good explanation, because thought is also matter. Nothing can exist, not even God, without the help of matter.

Moreover, every atom is septuple in its constitution. The bullet used as an example is a compound of physical, Ethereal, Astral, Mental, Causal, Conscious, and Divine atoms. In other words, the bullet is a nucleus of atomic Consciousness that is charged with waves of hatred from the one who shot it.

Why then is the bullet not disintegrated? Why does the cosmos serve as an instrument for the bullet?

Why does the cosmos serve as an instrument for the destructive waves of the atomic bomb? Is it conceivable that mental waves are inferior to the radioactive waves of uranium atoms?

Hence, that concept of the black magicians from the school of Sodom serves them in order to conceal their crimes, and to cheat naive people. The only thing they want is to justify themselves as being White Magicians.

Do not covet powers, beloved reader. Powers are born as fruits of our Innermost when our soul has been purified. The mental force that we strain to use in order to move a piece of paper would be better used in order to dominate our carnal passion, in order to end hatred, in order to dominate our language, in order to defeat selfishness, envy, etc.

Let us purify ourselves, since powers will be granted to us through successive purifications. Powers are flowers of the soul and fruits of the Innermost. The powers of a Mahatma are the fruits of many purifications.

Through initiatic ordeals the Gnostic disciple receives distinct powers from the White Lodge. These powers are acquired by the soul, and the Innermost "seizes" them, because the Innermost is the real human within us.

For instance, when the Gnostic wishes a distant friend to come near to him, then he begs his Innermost as follows, "My Father, I beg you to bring near to me [name the person], but not as I will: as you will."

If his Innermost considers that his petition is just, then the Innermost performs the miracle—that is to say, he performs a work of Theurgy, and the distant friend arrives. Yet, if the Innermost considers that the petition is unjust, then the Innermost does not perform the petition of his soul. This is pure White Magic.

The black magician proceeds to use his so called "asuncion" or willpower without taking into account the will of his Innermost.

"Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven," is what the Gnostic says, because the Gnostic only performs the will of his Innermost on earth as it is in heaven—in other words, in the superior planes of Consciousness. The Gnostic places all of his longings in the hands of his Innermost.

We prepare our pituitary and pineal glands for clairvoyance by dominating anger and acquiring serenity. We prepare ourselves for the awakening of the inner ear when we always utter words of love and truth."

http://gnosticteachings.org/books-by-samael-aun-weor/the-revolution-of-beelzebub/1031-black-magic-of-the-atlanteans.html (http://gnosticteachings.org/books-by-samael-aun-weor/the-revolution-of-beelzebub/1031-black-magic-of-the-atlanteans.html)

Quote from: NewTheories on July 30, 2012, 07:00:20 PM
Yep, as you said in your thread there are different levels to the secret, and other viewpoints, here is a example of how the secret works in Gnostic Christianity "Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven,"  is what the Gnostic says, because the Gnostic only performs the will of his Innermost on earth as it is in heaven.


"The black magicians of the school of Sodom say that black magic does not exist, that it is only a superstition. They say that the evil and hateful thoughts emitted by evil minds are disintegrated, since "the cosmos" is pure goodness. Therefore, it cannot serve as an instrument for the forces of evil.

The goal of the above noted statement of the black magicians from the school of Sodom is to justify their tenebrous teachings in order to give them the false appearance of being pure White Magic.

The cosmos is the whole infinite, and in the cosmos there are many things. As above, so below.

If a thought emitted by an evil one is disintegrated at once, why then is a not bullet disintegrated in the atmosphere? Why does the cosmos serve as an instrument for a bullet that is going to kill a human being, who might be an elder or a child? If that concept of the black magicians from the school of Sodom is true, then the bullet would disintegrate itself at once.

Possibly they would argue by saying to me that the bullet is a material body, and a thought is not. Yet, this is not a good explanation, because thought is also matter. Nothing can exist, not even God, without the help of matter.

Moreover, every atom is septuple in its constitution. The bullet used as an example is a compound of physical, Ethereal, Astral, Mental, Causal, Conscious, and Divine atoms. In other words, the bullet is a nucleus of atomic Consciousness that is charged with waves of hatred from the one who shot it.

Why then is the bullet not disintegrated? Why does the cosmos serve as an instrument for the bullet?

Because, as Bill Hicks would say, it's just a ride.  It is an elaborate...video game.  Those are the "rules," the functions, and as Matrix suggests, We do have a way of - like Me hex-editing the money file in Civilization - making this game a better play.  [smile]

QuoteWhy does the cosmos serve as an instrument for the destructive waves of the atomic bomb? Is it conceivable that mental waves are inferior to the radioactive waves of uranium atoms?

Because the game is constructed like that.  Maybe the goal of the game We play is to graduate Humanity into Consciously co-creating heaven on earth, as the God-splinters/Ourselves Gods?  I'm playing this game as if that IS the winning scenario.  I plan to win.  [smile]  I have ideas how to get from here to there.

QuoteHence, that concept of the black magicians from the school of Sodom serves them in order to conceal their crimes, and to cheat naive people. The only thing they want is to justify themselves as being White Magicians.

The thing about evil is that it needs a way of attracting Our compliance.  Money has been a fine tool for that, I think.

QuoteDo not covet powers, beloved reader. Powers are born as fruits of our Innermost when our soul has been purified. The mental force that we strain to use in order to move a piece of paper would be better used in order to dominate our carnal passion, in order to end hatred, in order to dominate our language, in order to defeat selfishness, envy, etc.

And would We covet power if having power was ubiquitous?  Would We not then expend Our energies, those of Us who dream of this world now would have enough People who care to help make the ideas happen?  Good ideas will garner support; bad ideas won't. 

Ok.  I'll butt out of this spiritual piece now.  I understand its message, I do.  [smile]

Quote from: Amaterasu on July 30, 2012, 08:01:34 PM
Because, as Bill Hicks would say, it's just a ride.  It is an elaborate...video game.  Those are the "rules," the functions, and as Matrix suggests, We do have a way of - like Me hex-editing the money file in Civilization - making this game a better play.  [smile]

Because the game is constructed like that.  Maybe the goal of the game We play is to graduate Humanity into Consciously co-creating heaven on earth, as the God-splinters/Ourselves Gods?  I'm playing this game as if that IS the winning scenario.  I plan to win.  [smile]  I have ideas how to get from here to there.

A lot of the various teachings say this world is based in Duality like Yin and Yang, what the matrix traveller says is "The Way" out of this world is through the Christ or something like that.

I haven't seen Him offer anything so...religiously oriented.  Can You point Me to where that is?  Or perhaps He is defining "Christ" differently?

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/44cosmic_wisdom/04images/Secret/Genie_001.png)



The 2 Images One at either End of "The True Mind"...    ;D


The "Inner" (Smaller human Image) being the Program the "Outer" Mind End has chosen to play and experience.



(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/48matrix_traveller/images/Rotating%20Plane%20&%20Separation.gif)



The "Outer" Image does Not age like the Image in the "Inner" Program as the "Outer" Image
is used as the "Link" from where we are running the program from. (The "Outer" End of "The True Mind".)

First;

A Partition of "The True Mind" chooses an "Environmental Program", which is established in The "Outer" World.

NOTE; This World is NOT like the Environment you see at present !

Then a Blank "Scaffold" is Introduced, which a body form is Constructed in/on in the "Outer" World.

The appearance of this body in the "Outer" world, takes on the Image of the Species Program
being experienced in the "Inner" World (Program) establishing a Link to the "Inner" Program
which is being played through like an Optical based Computer in the "Outer" World,
i.e. the "Images" obtained from the Processing Construct in the First manifestation.

When the "Inner" Program starts the Mind then experiences from the Center of "The True Mind"
rather from the "Outer" End, until the "Chapter" has finished playing.

"The True Mind" then withdraws to the "Outer" End again to start the next "Chapter" or Program.

This next Chapter involves the experience of being born into the experience again,
as a baby in this Universe or Program.

At the End of this" Book" (having many "Chapters" to it) the Center End of "The True Mind"
will no longer need to withdraw as Both ends of the Mind will be able to Create.

At Present only your "Outer" End Creates or Chooses (Programs) while "The Inner True Mind"
can only experience what your "Outer" Mind has Chosen.

The "Outer" World was known as Paradise in some of the ancient writings,
also referred to sometimes, as "The City of Habitation", while the "Inner" world we view
or experience from, was known as "The City of Endurance".

"The City of 9 Gates" is found between these 2 in the "Processing Construct".

Quote from: rdunk on July 20, 2012, 04:30:31 PM
Well for what it is worth, I have been a Christian for many years. And over that time, I have learned much, and I have seen much. I have been in Methodist churches, I have been in Baptist churches, and I have been in non-denominational churches. And never have I witnessed most of the negative things being mentioned here "about religion".

Why would you expect to find negative talk in a Church? I find it mind boggling that you even make that comment.

And why are there several hundred denominations of Christianity? Either the Word is the Word and you should all believe the same, or there is a problem. I too have listened to Methodists, Baptists, Puritans, Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses, Evangelists, Lutherans, Protestants, Anglicans, Catholics and several non-denominational churches... and I found that each one INTERPRETS the Word of God differently...  yet they all call themselves Christians...

How do you explain that? There was only ONE Christ... so why are there all these denominations that feel the need to make their own interpretations to suit their needs? Puritans believe sing and dancing is a work of Satan  while Evangelists use song and dance to celebrate the Lord... totally OPPOSITE beliefs yet both claim to be devote Christians....

QuoteYes satan is very real, and no, IMO, things are not "twisted". The "twist" being mentioned is the absolute evidence of satanic involvement in the lives of people. Like it or not, this is a spiritual and demented world we live in.

Only to you in YOUR opinion...   and the fact that you and other Christians try to claim that everyone that disagrees with you is owned by Satan?  Wow... not really much I can say to that LOL. Did you know that the RC Church contracted Dante to create a view of Hell that would scare the crap out of people? Dante had one sick demented mind... the Church saw his work as a perfect tool to control their flock. Before Dante's work appeared there was no real concept of what Hell looked like.  I guess they got there monies worth

QuoteWhen people become Christians, they are made perfect in Christ, but, they still live here, in this world, in the "fleshly" sinful nature of man. The "fight" with satan is magnified for a Christian, because all others are his anyway.

Well I have met a lot of Christians that are far from perfect. I once asked a Mafia Don how he can murder someone one day and then go to Church the next day as if nothing happened (I kinda had a lot of people turn white when I asked that but hey I did open it with "Pardon me ... no disrespect intended :P )

His answer was " That is business, God understands"

And how many Christians are committing sin weekly and think that going to church on Sunday and saying a few hail Mary's will fix it? Then go out and do it again next week?

Bush is a Christian... and so are many of the PTB... are they upholding Christian standards?

QuoteThe perversion we have seen in the news relative to some supposedly Christians is disgusting to all of us, absolutely disgusting. God will deal with that too!

When? those 'perversion" have been going on for hundreds of years. Why can't he just wave his hand and say "Enough is Enough" and put all those child molesting priests into a hole?

QuoteBecoming a Christian is the first step. Growing in God's Word, and developing a continuing relationship with God is a life-long endeavor. As a Christian learns and grows in God's Word, he is more able to fight the battle, and contend with "the fiery darts" of satan.

You do realize that Satan only picks on Christians, right?  The rest of us don't even know he exists :D

QuoteThis is provided as sincere and heartfelt information, of my own personal thoughts and experience with what is being termed "religion".
I do respect each of your posts, discussing your likewise sincere beliefs and belief systems!!

Cool that is as it should be... after all America is about FREEDOM to believe as you wish. I respect anyone's belief... so long as they are not working hard to try to convert me.

QuoteAnd why are there several hundred denominations of Christianity?
Either the Word is the Word and you should all believe the same, or there is a problem.
I too have listened to Methodists, Baptists, Puritans, Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses
Evangelists, Lutherans, Protestants, Anglicans, Catholics and several non-denominational churches...
and I found that each one INTERPRETS the Word of God differently... yet they all call themselves
Christians...

You are 100% Correct Z.

This is the case because non of the people in these groups are Christians at all.

They follow the "Doctrine" of their Roman leaders, of the Roman church, the Root
of the other Denominations and NOT the teachings of the "Carpenter"
they call Jesus today.

In the 1st Attachment below, is a Drawing of "The MAN Child", which is shown
in many different forms, in "Religious Buildings" of most religions, "Palaces",
"Government Buildings", "Public Buildings", all places over the Earth, in the form
of Historical record.

See 1st Attachment Drawing below.

Here are some Photos displaying different forms representing the 1st Attachment Drawing below.


(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/48matrix_traveller/images/Early%20Mosaics%2011.jpg)






(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/48matrix_traveller/images/Early%20Mosaics%20%2010.jpg)


And displayed on the Altar Cloth.


(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/48matrix_traveller/images/Early%20Mosaics%2004.jpg)


And in an Icon of St. Demetrious in the form of the "Double Square" Star.

This Icon also shows some of the Language used in the Soul or "Processing Construct"
the ancients referred to as the "Soul"..


(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/48matrix_traveller/images/Icon%20of%20St%20Demetrious.jpg)

Note; In my Drawings you can see the "Double Square".

The BLUE Square was/is referred to as E'NOCH
and the RED Square was/is referred to as ELIJAH.

It must be realized the Ancient writings on this subject is in the form of "Parables"
written in Poetic Form.

Evidence of this is found in the 1st chapter of "The Book of E'NOCH" in verse 3.  Quote;

Quote3.   Concerning the Elect I said, and took up my Parable concerning them.

But in what I am showing in my Forums is in No way Religious but in the past
others (Religions) have used some of this knowledge, to deceive others, and Hide the Truth.

One can find Thousands of the Images from all over the earth on the net.    :D

"The MAN Child" is easily seen in the Structure of your Soul.

Here is a Drawing of the Soul in Side View.
This Drawing is showing One of the Intermediate forms of the SOUL during "The Metamorphosis of The SOUL".
Here it is shown in it's "Hexagonal" Format.
The Hexagonal Format is shown on the Underside of The Soul.


(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/48matrix_traveller/images/The%20Soul%20and%20Under%20side%20seen.jpg)


but now for those who have gone through the change is shown as a Drawing in the 1st Attachment below.

And the 2nd Attachment shows "The MAN Child" after the Return of "The Son of MAN" in the Center.

Wasn't there a belief at one time the earth was the center of the universe?  Wasn't it heresy to state otherwise?  And some of the most intolerant people I have met have been conservative Christians.  Conservative Christians being how they have described themselves. 

Shasta

Quote from: Amaterasu on August 03, 2012, 10:29:44 PM
I haven't seen Him offer anything so...religiously oriented.  Can You point Me to where that is?  Or perhaps He is defining "Christ" differently?

Well all these Religions are Gnostic Teachings, the site Gnostic Teachings go into it all in detail and what Christ is in the Gnostic Sense http://gnosticteachings.org/

Quote from: zorgon on August 07, 2012, 09:26:23 PM
Well I have met a lot of Christians that are far from perfect. I once asked a Mafia Don how he can murder someone one day and then go to Church the next day as if nothing happened (I kinda had a lot of people turn white when I asked that but hey I did open it with "Pardon me ... no disrespect intended :P )

His answer was " That is business, God understands"

When I read that I thought about how it would look if there was no money, no "business" to attend to.  Where that Don didn't have to worry about what Others are doing and could do what He wanted to do - spend time with family, go to "vacation spots," design a building, etc., etc., etc.

Sorry.  Abundance Paradigming again.  [grin]

Quote from: NewTheories on August 08, 2012, 01:03:26 PM
Well all these Religions are Gnostic Teachings, the site Gnostic Teachings go into it all in detail and what Christ is in the Gnostic Sense http://gnosticteachings.org/

Agreed that the religions He brings up are of gnostic inclination, but what He seems to be showing is the true meaning of the images They used, explaining that how the symbols were explained to the general Populace was distorted, or misunderstood.

hello

Quote from: NewTheories on August 08, 2012, 01:03:26 PM
Well all these Religions are Gnostic Teachings, the site Gnostic Teachings go into it all in detail and what Christ is in the Gnostic Sense http://gnosticteachings.org/

The Christ Consciousness vs Christ ......

http://www.sivanandadlshq.org/religions/christconscious.htm

Quote
                               SRI SWAMI KRISHNANANDA

'Empty thyself and I shall fill thee.' This is a wondrous single sentence message of Jesus the Christ. The Spirit is not a quantity and it is opposed to all quantitative measurements and conceptions. 'Blessed are the poor in spirit,' is another suggestive statement of the Christ. We cannot understand what is meant to be poor. For us, to be poor is not to have money, grains and gold, not to have a field, a house and friends, and not to be recognised in society. That would be poverty, economically. We cannot think of poverty except in an economic, material and social sense. Likewise, the idea of emptying oneself, as far as our minds can understand, is a physical displacement of content. Far from this is the idea of the Spirit, which is implied in the above single-sentence message. The Christ-Consciousness, and not the personality of Christ, is what is to be taken into account here in our understanding of this statement. There is a difference between Christ and Christ-Consciousness. This fact was repeatedly emphasised by the Christ himself in many of His declarations as recorded in the New Testament. He never regarded Himself as a person, nor did He ever indicate that a person was speaking when He spoke. He always referred to 'Him that sent me'. He was very much fond of referring to 'Him that sent me'. He said: 'I am here to proclaim the Law of Him who sent me here. It is not my law that I am demonstrating or proclaiming to the world.' The Spirit that spoke through Him was not a creature of time.

Interesting stuff there, Check it out folks!

Le

i prefer to worship myself.we are children of god .that means we are gods.if you need something to believe in ,believe in me.for a hundred dollars ,i will absolve you of all sin.why can i do this you may ask? because all sin is ignorance.now go to sleep tonight knowing you are at peace.from your god,almighty robomont

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Le