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Sharia Law in the US - Never Happen?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q73khS9oFIk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q73khS9oFIk

Meanwhile in Australia...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kOiaXN-egg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kOiaXN-egg

and of course his name had to be hicks..unreal

this is not good



Three Muslim students killed in US shooting

Police have arrested a gunman in the killing of three Muslim students -- including a husband and wife -- in the university town of Chapel Hill in North Carolina, US news reports said Wednesday.

The shooter, identified as Craig Stephen Hicks, 46, was being held in Durham County Jail on three counts of first-degree murder, the Chapel Hill News and Observer newspaper and other news outlets said.

The victims were identified as Chapel Hill residents Deah Shaddy Barakat, 23, his wife Yusor Abu-Salha, 21, and her sister Razan Abu-Salha, 19, of Raleigh.

Hicks turned himself in after the shooting Tuesday in Chapel Hill, just outside the campus of the University of North Carolina.

Reports said Barakat was a second-year student in dentistry there while his wife was planning to begin her dental studies in the fall.

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Razan Abu-Salha was a student at North Carolina State University, according to the UNC university newspaper, the Daily Tar Heel.

A Facebook community --– Our Three Winners –- has been set up for posts about the three students.

"Deah Barakat, Yusor Abu-Salha and Razan Abu-Salha have returned to their Lord," the community's creators state. "They have set an example in life and in death."

The site features a photo of the three smiling at what appears to be graduation ceremony. The women wear Muslim headscarfs, one of them also in a blue graduation cap.

Police in Chapel Hill have not disclosed a possible motive for the attack. They were not immediately available for comment.

The police website released a statement confirming the three deaths and saying the department is "questioning a person of interest in the crime and has reason to believe that there is no ongoing threat to the public."


http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/three-muslim-students-killed-in-us-shooting/ar-AA9gaBt

What I find weird about the whole issue (regardless how much the MSM whip's up a story...) is that when I visit Rome I do my best to do as the Romans Do.

For me Living in Western Country (Australia, where we are like a depository experiment of everything varied in the world...) I still find it odd people move here thinking that their home country ideal's will be dominant..even though they are ejected from a home country that was to put it dimly..SHITE.

It;s funny as I know Muslim's, Christians and Buddhist's here in Oz and we all get along fine with no problems, but the Muslim's I get along fine with don't like all this BS from people who do nutter stuff like that woman in the video.

As to my comment about doing what the romans do...

When I am in Taiwan I visit whatever temple my mother in law ask's to visit. I find the the whole understanding buddhism a sham but i do as they do.  Keeping peace and all along with learning what people get up to is fun :D 

     

Quote from: Somamech on February 11, 2015, 06:14:07 PM
What I find weird about the whole issue (regardless how much the MSM whip's up a story...) is that when I visit Rome I do my best to do as the Romans Do.

When my family left Germany they did so because they had enough  wanted to start a new life.

But Canada practiced multiculturalism.  A good example is that the Italian that immigrated to the USA became AMERICANs with Italian heritage. In the movie Rocket Man the Italian Mafia said "We may be gangsters but we are AMERICAN gangsters"

In Canada the became Italian Canadians and Little Italy has Italian street names.

There was a case where Pakistani's were calling to be allowed to wear a Turbin in the RCMP  Turns out it was only one cadet who started that crap But the RCMP uniform is respected and well know  You don't move to a new land and want to keep your old customs

What I don't understand is why people who are dissatisfied with life in their own country, want to come here for a better life but then want to set up the same crap that they supposedly want to get away from?

Few years back here in the US the Illegal Mexicans protested in numbers wanting to be allowed to stay.  They flew MEXICAN flags!!!  One Mexican student was waving a bif US flag  She got attacked for it by her own. They took down a US flag from a Californi post office and hoisted a Mexican flag... The police did nothing and held back Americans who were outraged

That housting the flag used to be a declaration of WAR  claiming the territory.

I can see more people getting shot over this crap in the near future  Especially with Obama's amnesty plan

Quote from: Somamech on February 11, 2015, 06:14:07 PM
It;s funny as I know Muslim's, Christians and Buddhist's here in Oz and we all get along fine with no problems, but the Muslim's I get along fine with don't like all this BS from people who do nutter stuff like that woman in the video.

Same here...

My boss at the convention business was a Mexican  nice guy but he hates the illegals making him look bad.  Thing about the illegals is THEY are the visible ones  They are lurking around the neighborhood at night stealing anything that is left loose, they are supporting the gangs, they are taking jobs from legal workers and paying mo taxes  In effect they are breaking all the laws because they don't give a damn  and that reflects on the vast majority who are hard working honest immigrants

But human nature sees what is visible. The bad cops get the press, the bad politicians are the ones we talk about.

I have a Moroccan friend in Paris. She came to stay with me for a few months. She is of true Berber decent but like all are today a Muslim 'convert'  France offered Moroccan Berbers a place to escape to. There are over 4000 Berbers in one community... but rather than adopt to France they are still separate and now in constant strife with French teens

The Do as the Romans when in Rome should be part of Immigration requirement. Keep your traditions at home to be sure, but the minute you try to push them on others? Free one way ticket home

Some Iranians back in the 70's in Canada that were granted amnesty... what did they do? Marched on Ottawa demanding Canada get involved in the situation in Iran

If I was Prime Mister I would have rounded up the lot and put them on the nexy Military transport back to Iran :P That would be getting involved :P

I agree about the "when in Rome" sentiment.

In the UK (Nottingham, England) the Pub (community bar/diner) is a national institution.  When I grew up the kids knew one another because they went to the same school and the adults did because they had a beer together at the local pub.

The level of immigration (predominantly Pakistani Muslims in my district) is so high that the pubs have closed (there used to be 30 now there are 3) and many former pubs are now actually taken over and turned into Mosques or Pakistani and various other nationalities social clubs.  People no longer know their neighbours unless they attend the local mosque.

Schools?  There is a black school, three Pakistani schools and outside the area there are a couple of white oversubscribed schools.  Everybody sends their kid to the school of their kin but the whites can't all get their kids into the white schools so their kids are now an ethnic minority at school IN THEIR OWN COUNTRY!

My partners son (not mine) was accused of racism.  Not because he said anything racist but because he is an atheist and some Muslim kids took offence!  My partner pointed out to the Head Teacher that his two best friends were Portuguese and Albanian.  How the Fook can he be a racist?

Mass immigration to the detriment of the native culture is causing serious problems in the UK.  I have no problem with genuine refugees but what is happening is not that.  My culture has been squeezed out of the place I live to the point where I am considering relocating o the USA.  Scary poop!

Quote from: Pimander on February 12, 2015, 01:16:05 AM
In the UK (Nottingham, England) the Pub (community bar/diner) is a national institution.  When I grew up the kids knew one another because they went to the same school and the adults did because they had a beer together at the local pub.

The level of immigration (predominantly Pakistani Muslims in my district) is so high that the pubs have closed (there used to be 30 now there are 3) and many former pubs are now actually taken over and turned into Mosques or Pakistani and various other nationalities social clubs.  People no longer know their neighbours unless they attend the local mosque.

That made me think about one thing: when the European countries had their colonies they used to do the same thing, turning the countries they took possession of into foreign versions of their own countries, with the British being the ones (from what I have seen) that did it to a bigger extent. I know that we don't have a huge immigration problem, but when we had (just after the independence of the ex-colonies, in the 1970s) we never had that problem of them bringing their version of civilisation into our version, but we didn't really have a big difference of civilisations, as the Portuguese, usually, adapted their ways to the ways of the people living on the colonies.

It really is like being colonised.  With the history of the British Empire, I'm sure the immigrant communities feel that they are justified in what they do.

The problem is that there is a good reason that our culture has produced innovation and economic success and democracy.  That reason is that the culture is open and fairer than the immigrant one (women can run companies here for a start).  So a less fair culture is taking over a fairer more open one.  That can't be a good thing.

Quote from: Pimander on February 12, 2015, 01:16:05 AMMy culture has been squeezed out of the place I live to the point where I am considering relocating o the USA.  Scary poop!

Well consider Vegas :D Let's get that theme park off the ground before its too late.  It will be a long time before they take over here....

Muslim population in England and Wales nearly doubles in 10 years

More children and fewer elderly people help Muslim population grow faster than population overall, analysis of latest census data shows

QuoteThe Muslim population of England and Wales is growing faster than the overall population, with a higher proportion of children and a lower ratio of elderly people, according to an analysis of official data.

One in three Muslims is under 15, compared with fewer than one in five overall. There are also fewer elderly Muslims, with 4% aged over 65, compared with 16% of the overall population.

In 2011, 2.71 million Muslims lived in England and Wales, compared with 1.55 million in 2001. There were also 77,000 Muslims in Scotland and 3,800 in Northern Ireland.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/feb/11/muslim-population-england-wales-nearly-doubles-10-years

From the newspaper today.

Quote from: zorgon on February 12, 2015, 01:49:43 AM
Well consider Vegas :D Let's get that theme park off the ground before its too late.  It will be a long time before they take over here....

We both have a few loose ends to tie up but I'm in.  If we can make it real then why the hell not. :)

Quote from: Pimander on February 12, 2015, 01:41:00 AM
  So a less fair culture is taking over a fairer more open one.  That can't be a good thing.

I would agree....and on When in Rome also.

Imagine westerners over there insisting on doing what we
do here. Thats a kick to think about....deadly ideas in
many ME country.

Quote from: burntheships on February 12, 2015, 04:01:59 AM
Imagine westerners over there insisting on doing what we
do here. Thats a kick to think about....deadly ideas in
many ME country.

Maybe that is why so much support for Israel. Not sure that is such a good idea but I bet that it behind it. They are on the Front Lines

It's going to get ugly folkes... may not be all out WWIII but the problem is real.

No matter how you cut it Muslim Immigration and breeding is a real threat to our way of life

Its not a racist or religious issue... its defending OUR way of life in our own country

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kKkY5EpVpY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kKkY5EpVpY

Quote from: zorgon on February 12, 2015, 04:44:28 AM


Its not a racist or religious issue... its defending OUR way of life in our own country

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kKkY5EpVpY

Yes...and defense against a barbaric way of life, repressive, and overbearing,
even to the point of violence against children in the name of mans idea
of twisted "laws".

The Aussies have it right down there.  ;D

Quote from: zorgon on February 12, 2015, 04:44:28 AM
No matter how you cut it Muslim Immigration and breeding is a real threat to our way of life

Its not a racist or religious issue... its defending OUR way of life in our own country

Truthfully, I have mixed feelings about this.  Americans talk about Muslims being a threat to their way of life; but one question that I think requires serious meditation, is whether or not said way of life is actually worth keeping.  I remain convinced that as a country, America is leading the charge towards human extinction.

(http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/281/752/0fb.jpg)

Mind you, the immediate American response will be that at least their way allows said question to even be asked in the first place; your average scimitar-wielding Wahhabist is nowhere near as introspective. ;)

As far as we know, law in its' current form first showed up in Babylon.  Given Saudi Arabia's proximity with that area, it makes sense that Islamic jurisprudence would have been strongly influenced by the Babylonian model.  It therefore in turn makes sense that to the degree that it is not single-mindedly obsessed with capital punishment, Islamic law could potentially be very useful for settling disputes. 

The Jews had the Judge system for a long time before they got their first king, and by the accounts that I've read at least, it worked fairly well.  I will admit that the judicial branch is the one element of the American government that still occasionally shows faint glimmers of genuine integrity in my observation, as well.  The legislative branch is just as corrupt, gerontocratic, and generally worthless in America as it was in Rome.  I honestly don't believe that it would do America much harm if the Congress was disbanded entirely; and it might actually do some good.

As for whether or not Islam will succeed in taking over the world; truthfully at this point, I don't much care.  If it did, I would be more than happy to say, "yes sir, no sir, three bags full sir," to the relevant geriatric psychopaths, attend prayers a couple of times a week, and continue to worship Kali in private.  I have to maintain secrecy about my own faith these days, as much because of Atheists as Muslims.  At least in the case of Islam, I could probably find some points of commonality.  Pseudo-Socratic neo-Atheism, on the other hand, is a much greater distance away from my own philosophy.  If we sat down cross legged together, Iran's Grand Ayatollah and I would probably have much more to talk about, than I would with say, Sam Harris.

This might sound like a radical reversal from my previous expressed position on Islam; but more recently I've been reminded of the existence of Sufism.  You will generally find that every religion has at least one branch that is reasonably workable and genuinely sane; in Islam's case, the adults' section appears to be that.

The other point to keep in mind where Islam is concerned, is that even if it does take over, said conquest will almost certainly not be permanent.  Islam is a religion which primarily maintains and perpetuates itself via murdering people.  Were it left to its' real theological and spiritual merit, then aside from its' judicial value, (not to mention its' mystical elements, such as Sufism) it would vanish tomorrow.

I've always believed that the best metaphor for Islam, is the bubonic plague, Ebola, or some other similarly virulent disease.  Highly contagious, lethal disease epidemics rage around for a while, and might indeed kill a good many people, but their level of lethality makes them highly unstable.  A truly intelligent virus does not want to kill its' host, because if it does so too early, then the virus itself will die with it, and it will cease being able to spread.

In other words, the most rational view to take with regards to the apparent new Islamic conquest, is the long view.  All we need do is keep our heads down, and wait.  As the Black Death itself did, eventually this too shall pass.

This one addresses a very important point when it comes to take overs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Owq8TkQ0AXA


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Owq8TkQ0AXA

Quote from: petrus4 on February 12, 2015, 06:04:51 AM
Americans talk about Muslims being a threat to their way of life; but one question that I think requires serious meditation, is whether or not said way of life is actually worth keeping.  I remain convinced that as a country, America is leading the charge towards human extinction.

You are welcome to convert to Islam and LEAVE anytime you like

DO let the door hit you in the butt on the way out :P

For all your whining and doom and gloom stuff, things are really not that bad in the USA yet and they can still be fixed... in fact I see lots of signs that the pendulum is swinging.  More cops getting convicted for the abuse, more followups and fixing of events we get outraged over in the news

Sanity IS returning albeit slowly.  Perhaps if people like you stopped working for the dark side promoting doom porn and did something to help things would go faster

It may even be that if this Muslim thing flares up, it might just be the wake up call we need. People will die, yes, but that is inevitable to make change

Pimander's story about his home town of Nottingham disturbs me a lot. I had no idea the intrusion in the UK was already so far advanced to hit the small towns

So frankly Petrus4 if you thing the Muslim Sharia law way of life is better than America... pack yer bags and go.  Simple as that

Quote from: zorgon on February 12, 2015, 06:36:04 AM
Pimander's story about his home town of Nottingham disturbs me a lot. I had no idea the intrusion in the UK was already so far advanced to hit the small towns

To answer this, I must remind you of the words of Albert Pike.

"The Third World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences caused by the "agentur" of the "Illuminati" between the political Zionists and the leaders of Islamic World. The war must be conducted in such a way that Islam (the Moslem Arabic World) and political Zionism (the State of Israel) mutually destroy each other. Meanwhile the other nations, once more divided on this issue will be constrained to fight to the point of complete physical, moral, spiritual and economical exhaustion...We shall unleash the Nihilists and the atheists, and we shall provoke a formidable social cataclysm which in all its horror will show clearly to the nations the effect of absolute atheism, origin of savagery and of the most bloody turmoil. Then everywhere, the citizens, obliged to defend themselves against the world minority of revolutionaries, will exterminate those destroyers of civilization, and the multitude, disillusioned with Christianity, whose deistic spirits will from that moment be without compass or direction, anxious for an ideal, but without knowing where to render its adoration, will receive the true light through the universal manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer, brought finally out in the public view. This manifestation will result from the general reactionary movement which will follow the destruction of Christianity and atheism, both conquered and exterminated at the same time."

I inadvertently went down Pike's path.  I was born into, and then conscientiously left Christianity.  Yet I did not become either a Luciferian or an Atheist, as Pike intended.  I was drawn to Kali Mata.

As Pike candidly states here, Islam is being employed against the Western world in precisely the same manner as my avatar's race, the Orcs, were used against the fictional analog of the real world Western powers, the Alliance of Azeroth, within the story of World of Warcraft.  Stargate SG-1 is not the only fiction which contains elements of truth.

Islamic terrorists are Harbingers of Chaos.  They are a vanguard.  They are an advance wave to destroy whatever resistance might otherwise exist, to the cabal then coming after them, and taking control of the entire planet.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhSYEMEEG5c

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhSYEMEEG5c

I knew a woman on Above Top Secret, who views herself as a member of the Marxist-Leninist vanguard.  The cabal used that strategy with Communism, (the aftermath of Pike's Second World War (http://www.threeworldwars.com/albert-pike2.htm)) and they are using it again here.  Pike's series of world wars and associated bogeymen is so, so similar to the progression path against various Big Bads that we saw in WoW.  Again, parallels and reflections, everywhere.  We're walking through a giant hall of mirrors here, kids.

This is why it is crucial not to respond fearfully or violently towards Islam, irrespective of what the Muslims themselves do.  It needs to be understood that the real threat to America and the rest of the Western world, will come after the Muslims have moved in and occupied it.  I will give you another secret here; this is something that I realised not long ago.

'House of Religions' bringing eight faiths together under one roof in Bern. (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/house-of-religions-bringing-eight-faiths-together-under-one-roof-in-bern-10036654.html)

Within Hinduism, it is taught that japa or the repetitive use of a mantra, while meditating, is employed in order to reduce the multitude of thoughts which normally occur in the mind, down to one.  Once you are capable of only focusing on a single thought, that single thought is then removed, at which point you experience Samadhi, or the initial stage of liberation.  When linear reality is completely gone, only pure non-linearity remains.

The cabal are doing the same thing, with religions.  First polytheistic Paganism was destroyed, and supplanted by monolithic, monotheistic Christianity.  We are going to ultimately see a religious duopoly emerge; you will be socially permitted to be Atheistic or Islamic, and nothing else.

Islam is not going to rule the planet, for any appreciable length of time.  It will not be permitted to do so.  It is inherently unstable; its' extreme elements, at least, when they have no one external to the religion to attack, they turn inward and attack each other.  This has been seen in Islamic countries numerous times.  Again the similarity with the Orcs; berserker rage must have a target.  Think of a vast body of water; the cabal have control of the sluice gates, and said gates can be closed as easily as they have been opened.

The entire point of Islamic invasion, however, is to provoke a violent response within the target populations.  As Pike himself admitted, the purpose of this is to cause destruction and chaos, and to give said target populations a decoy to exhaust and destroy themselves against, so that when the cabal themselves are ready to move in, all potential resistance will be gone, or at least rendered manageable.

Hence we see that the Muslims (and the Zionist Jews, for that matter) are not our real enemies.  The cabal are playing exactly the kind of long game that we saw Palpatine playing in the Star Wars sequels.  Consider this the Idiot's Guide to World Conquest.

Step 1.  Create two proxy armies/civilisations/forces, both of which you completely control.

Step 2.  Have both of them start fighting each other, and have one or both of them also invade the area that you are really interested in conquering.

Step 3.  Stand back and watch the fireworks.  The population of the area that you want, will defend themselves vigorously against the dummy army that you have set up to attack them.  The war between the two dummy armies will also cause massive amounts of heat, noise, and chaos.  Lots of people will get caught in the crossfire and general mayhem and get killed; people who might otherwise cause you difficulty.

Step 4.  Once the smoke clears, stride imperially over the ruins, dark cassock billowing out behind you.  Reach throne room, sit, steeple fingers, wear appropriate facial expression of sinister self-satisfaction.

(http://th08.deviantart.net/fs70/PRE/i/2011/199/c/8/darth_sidious_by_kot1ka-d40ik9u.jpg)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A99s7wbsk04

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A99s7wbsk04

"NARF." ;)

Quote from: Pimander on February 12, 2015, 01:55:26 AM
Muslim population in England and Wales nearly doubles in 10 years

More children and fewer elderly people help Muslim population grow faster than population overall, analysis of latest census data shows

Horrible, but predictable.

Islam is becoming a religious monopoly, for almost precisely the same reason that UNIX became almost the sole survivor where computer operating systems are concerned.  Why?

Lowest possible barrier to entry.  Islam is the most barbaric and degraded of the great religions, bar none.  It really doesn't contain a lot that might be considered advanced or profound thought.  As a result, anyone can join.  You don't need literacy or any other form of education to become a Muslim; as a matter of fact, literacy or education might well be impediments to doing so.  That is why Windows has survived in conjunction with UNIX, because any idiot can use that, too. 

Why have Christianity and Islam grown bigger populations than Judaism or Hinduism?  The latter two are largely ethnicities as well as religions.  Hinduism has the caste; you have to be born in to get in, strictly speaking.  Judaism does not have a caste as such, AFAIK at least, but genetics definitely matter.

Granted, UNIX is not as idiot proof as Windows, but it is when seen as relative to the needs of a server operating system.  Windows (and Islam) is the lowest common denominator desktop/client system; UNIX (and Atheism) is the lowest common denominator back room/server OS.  So if you're a real idiot, you become a Muslim.  If you have pretentions about being a high end idiot, on the other hand, you become a Dawkinsian, pseudo-skeptical neo-Atheist.

From there, the reproduction issue with Islam becomes obvious in its' explanation, as well.  There's a very strong and well-documented inverse correlation between education and birth rates; it's the proverbial "rats in a grain barrel," effect.  Dawkins and the angry rich white Atheist set have virtually no children; poor, illiterate brown Muslims, on the other hand, have hordes of them.

Nature's designs are always as simple and cheap as possible at the per-node level.  Said simple, cheap designs then massively replicate, and overcome any possible shortcomings said design might have per-unit, via parallelism.  Look at the way cells work.  By themselves they are dead simple; but put them together in a group, and they can do anything.  Look at viruses; same story.

Islam is the same.  It's Drexler's grey goo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grey_goo), in religious form.

This, incidentally, is the reason why the x86 CPU architecture won, as well.  As a processor arch it is complete garbage; which, of course, is entirely the point.  As a general principle, the cheapest and simplest design always wins.

Quote from: Pimander on February 12, 2015, 01:55:26 AM
Muslim population in England and Wales nearly doubles in 10 years

More children and fewer elderly people help Muslim population grow faster than population overall, analysis of latest census data shows
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/feb/11/muslim-population-england-wales-nearly-doubles-10-years

From the newspaper today.

That looks like the normal result of immigration, as those that usually migrate are young adults, and after they feel at home on their new place they bring their wife/husband and any children, only after some years and if they decide to live their whole life there, do they bring their parents.

Quote from: zorgon on February 12, 2015, 04:44:28 AM
No matter how you cut it Muslim Immigration and breeding is a real threat to our way of life

Its not a racist or religious issue... its defending OUR way of life in our own country

Yes, in the same way the occupation of other countries by European countries in previous centuries was a real threat to their way of life, but as it was their way of life we (the European countries) weren't worried about it, after all, we were supposed to be the "advanced" civilisation and we were bringing the "right" way of living to them.

Now that things are reversed it doesn't look the same.  :P

To me, the solution is not trying to prevent other ways of life from replacing our own, what I think should be done is the way things happen naturally, mixing the good parts of all the ways of life. I know that we cannot really tell other people "your way of life is not good in this or that aspect" and expect that they agree, we should prove them that those aspects are really better (if they really are) in the long run, but, in the same way, we should accept the positive aspects of their ways of life.

After all, humans are supposed to be good at adapting to new situations, right? :)

I'll adapt to Sharia when Sharia adapts to smoked BBQ pork ribs.   8)

Quote from: ArMaP on February 12, 2015, 11:45:00 AM
Now that things are reversed it doesn't look the same.  :P

By stating that you are saying that we should just accept the take over? :P

QuoteTo me, the solution is not trying to prevent other ways of life from replacing our own, what I think should be done is the way things happen naturally, mixing the good parts of all the ways of life.

That is sorta what the Chinese do but they have numbers on their side so they can absorb this without much effect. However I don't see how mixing will work. Canada tried that with multiculturalism and it cause mere trouble than good

In this case we are talking religious ideals There is no mixing of diametrically opposites.  Like Pimander said  the white kids in that school are now the minority and the kid gets called 'racist' for being atheist because it offends Allah   There is no solution for that kind of linear thinking.  You either convert, leave your home or go to war.

How do you mix with a culture that basically considers any other idea abhorent to their god?  Sure they can peacefully coexist for a time... but look around the world right now... as soon as their numbers swing to the majority  the trouble begins

Well I am getting old... Pretty sure Nevada won't become an Islamic state in my lifetime  but I do have kids that will have to deal with it.

We do have one factor to offset it here, the Hispanic factor. Maybe that is why Obama wants to grant them amnesty :D




I know that we cannot really tell other people "your way of life is not good in this or that aspect" and expect that they agree, we should prove them that those aspects are really better (if they really are) in the long run, but, in the same way, we should accept the positive aspects of their ways of life.

After all, humans are supposed to be good at adapting to new situations, right? :)
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Quote from: zorgon on February 12, 2015, 07:53:10 PM
By stating that you are saying that we should just accept the take over? :P

No, just that "we" (the European countries) liked it when they were the ones doing the occupying, now that they are the ones being occupied they don't like it. :)

QuoteThat is sorta what the Chinese do but they have numbers on their side so they can absorb this without much effect. However I don't see how mixing will work. Canada tried that with multiculturalism and it cause mere trouble than good

That's not what I meant, as that's not mixing both cultures, that's having people from the two cultures living together. By mixing I meant creating a third culture, resulting from the merging/joining/mixing/whatevering of the two cultures.

QuoteIn this case we are talking religious ideals There is no mixing of diametrically opposites.

Religious ideals are used by people, most people can change their mind, specially when other people do not try to force them to do it.

QuoteLike Pimander said  the white kids in that school are now the minority and the kid gets called 'racist' for being atheist because it offends Allah   There is no solution for that kind of linear thinking.  You either convert, leave your home or go to war.

I think the solution is show other people that, although an atheist, other people can share some of their religion's principles, as many of those principles were created to help people, and, like Depeche Mode said, "People are people". :)

QuoteHow do you mix with a culture that basically considers any other idea abhorent to their god?  Sure they can peacefully coexist for a time... but look around the world right now... as soon as their numbers swing to the majority  the trouble begins

Christians and Muslims lived peacefully in many places in what would become Portugal during the Muslim conquest and the Christian reconquest of those areas. In countries like Egypt they have large Christian communities, and they didn't have any problems until everybody started getting problems there, but even then, after on church was attacked by some extremists, many Muslims surrounded the churches to protect them from being attacked.

Coexistence is possible, we just need to stop seeing the extremes and looking at the common things that can keep us together.

Quote from: ArMaP on February 12, 2015, 09:30:18 PM
Coexistence is possible, we just need to stop seeing the extremes and looking at the common things that can keep us together.

Coexistance is possible in theory  but in practice when the one group far outnumbers the other group it will soon escalate with one group pushing their agenda on the other

Back in the 80's I saw the world through rose colored glasses With all the technology we were coming up with, labor laws to make it better for people, more leisure time, even religious tolerance for the most part I was convinced that mankind would pull its head out of its ass and do something truly great.

Then I see what is happening today and I know I was wrong.

I see what Sharia law does to people especially women. I see the Saudi lawmakers saying free women are just asking to be raped. A gay man in that society gets raped as punishment WTF? Women can't drive because they will get raped  Is that all these sickos think about all day?  Dubai runs ads to get western men and women to come work in their magnifent resorts but if they go to the bar for a drink they are available to be raped.. Two recent cases one from Netherlands one from Australia  Their own Embasies could do nothing  and they were sentence to 6 months in jail for enticing the men to rape them WTF?

As long as that kind of mind set is with them how can we coexist with that?  It goes against everything we consider sane 

Sorry I vote to nuke the lot of em and let their gods sort them out

Sorry I vote to nuke the lot of em and let their gods sort them out



sorry
but 
as long as humans make up  gods  and / or  need gods for excuses of what they do and don't do 
and
do not recognize the responsibility of  themselves   
and do not understand that it is on them and not on some made up unseen force
..nothing will work

we aren't doomed yet.. but we're pretty damn close

sad  ! ain't  it !

Well maybe we are not doomed yet but looks like our effort to bring freedom to Iraq isn't doing so well

And no I wasn't really serious about nuking the region  I do have some friends over there

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JepMhxU_RoE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JepMhxU_RoE

Quote from: zorgon on February 13, 2015, 01:45:04 AM
Sorry I vote to nuke the lot of em and let their gods sort them out

We can't nuke two billion plus people.  At this point, we're back to the conversation Liam Neeson had with Christian Bale; that while compassion might be a weakness that an opponent does not share, said compassion is important precisely because it is a distinguishing characteristic.

That is also the point, which was something else the Batman movies illustrated.  Do you act against the enemy, and in so doing become indistinguishable from said enemy in the process, thus invalidating your own survival anyway; or do you refrain from acting, with the result that you are potentially annihilated anyway?

That is what the Illuminati very specifically want; to give us a scenario where it seems like there is no good answer.  There is a valid answer, however; and that is to recognise that the question or test itself, and its' entire pretext, is utter, arbitrary, artificially engineered bullpoop from beginning to end.

I am on the tail end of another gold top trip at the moment, Zorgon; and right now, all I'm thinking of, is in terms of grid lines and seams.  Looking into the grass, seeing the flower of life everywhere, and realising that as McKenna said, what I'm seeing are the bars of a cage.

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The whole thing is just one giant fragging pantomime; and the worst part is that at this point, we can't even say that any more without it sounding like a bad, stereotyped cliche.  Today it's the Muslims.  It was the Communists yesterday, and the Nazis the day before that.  Tomorrow it will be extraterrestrials.  It doesn't matter who it is, as long as it's an external, supposedly existential threat which corrals us into false "unity," against an "other," out of fear.

So let's nuke the Muslims, and then after that we'll become spacefaring and start playing a supposedly real life version of Warhammer 40,000. 

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The Emperor Protects.

We can play that game, if we want.  The "oh God oh God ${BOGEYMAN} is coming to get us and it's the end of the world and we're all going to die!" routine.  Or I can go back to Victoria and get into my father's new pyramid marketing scheme and hopefully make a few hundred thousand dollars which I can then use to chain myself to a whole bunch of creditors, or I can fire up Java and log into fragging Minecraft.  Or I can go outside my room, sit in the grass, and stare into my navel while drooling and babbling incoherently.  It's ultimately all completely the same.  No difference.  No difference at all.

I can do that; or I can turn around and face the one thing that none of us, myself included, wants to look at.  The lack of background noise.  All the noise is in the foreground, in case you hadn't noticed.

None of us want nothing.  It's well documented that the smallest child will take corporal punishment or beatings over nothing; no attention.  Hell is more desirable than nothing; and let's face it, the entire reason why we don't really want to work towards a genuinely positive scenario, is because Heaven is closer to nothing than Hell.  Heaven contains less, by its' very nature.  Harmony is minimalistic.

We don't want that.  We want lots of noise, and blood, and death, and fascism, and gatling guns, and explosions.  We want abstractions piled upon abstractions.  We want dollars as points on a giant scoreboard, so that we can use that to determine who lives and who dies, completely arbitrarily.  Slicked back hair, neon pink limousines, champagne and cocaine and blowjobs.

Or then again, maybe we want the opposite.  Maybe we want hippie music and dreadlocks and Bob Marley and weed, and veganism and most importantly, lots and lots of pseudo-Indian cultural appropriation to make sure we're feeling spiritual enough.  We want to sit at tables with lots of beautiful rainforest vegetation in the background, and lie to ourselves about how chilled out and relaxed we are, while taking turns giving ourselves self-indulgent group therapy sessions.

Either way, you're still in a frigging cage.  If you want to be legitimately scared of anything, be scared of that.

"Did you learn a better song to sing, Rita?  No.  A different one."

Let us all choose our poison; or as Gozer said in Ghostbusters, the form of the Destructor.  Killed by Muslims, dying of a smack overdose in a gutter, or feeling mellow and singing along with Marley's No Woman No Cry.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x59kS2AOrGM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x59kS2AOrGM

Am I saying that the latter is better?  No.  Ultimately it makes no difference.  Studying fascism has led me to this point, to the same degree that weed and mushrooms has.  It's all the same.  Follow any line of the proverbial latticework you like.  You'll have lots of fun, perhaps; but you aren't really going anywhere.

We've had the unshakeable feeling for at least the last 3-4 decades now, that we're hitting a brick wall.  There's Nibiru, 2012, and all of that other rubbish; on and on and on.  What we're really coming to the end of, however, is the belief that literally anything - anything - we can do within corporeal existence, has any inherent beneficial meaning or purpose to it any more.

The cabal might want to lead us to that, sure.  Pike might have wanted to take us to it, so that he could see a global embrace of Satanism or whatever sick dream he might have had come to fruition; but ultimately the end result of it is going to be a lot worse.  If you stop wanting to do literally anything because you know it's all fundamentally pointless, then what do you do?  How do you live?

Maybe that's the next thing we have to figure out.

Quote from: petrus4 on February 13, 2015, 07:43:59 AM
We can't nuke two billion plus people.

DARN :P  How about selective targeting via space beam weapon then?


So I guess we will have to do it the old fashioned way  sigh....  I think I will stock up my pantry on the important items

Actually I think I will just go back to Faerie Land   at least enjoy what time we have left

Quote from: petrus4 on February 13, 2015, 07:43:59 AM
So let's nuke the Muslims, and then after that we'll become spacefaring and start playing a supposedly real life version of Warhammer 40,000. 

No I said nuke the ENTIRE Middle East Israel included

All your words are basicalyl blah blah blah (no offence :P) when you look at the fact that the regions has given us nothing but war since Moses ran away from Pharoah

This is my point  They were doing this LONG before America was even an idea. America was concieved in Paris in 1749 , Philip LeMarchand, Benjamin Franklin and Voltaire.   LeMarchand, became known as the Professor (that is another story :P ) and Washington only got into it in 1775)

So all this Crusade and Jihad BS started hundreds of years before we even existed so its not our fault. We just got dragged in to the current mess (most LIKELY because of our Israeli connections)  There is no denying Israel is in Hollywood big time, our Doctors, our Lawyers, our Politicians and even our Diamond Merchants   I think New York and Los Angeles are Israel's biggest cities.. and don't get me started on the schmuck that owned the Towers

So naturally we are in the thick of it

This Judge...  Lebanese descent... has the right attitude  even if she works for FOX

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0w2ZS231BAQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0w2ZS231BAQ

I do not apologize for the way I feel... these animals have show far to many atrocities in the name of Allah that no human should tolerate no matter your religion.

Who created them? I don't know... The Mussad? The CIA?  Some rich bastards like the Rockefeelrs or the Rotchschilds?  I don't know  and I no longer care

Nuke the Lot of em :P and lets get on with it

I never noticed this before  LOL

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Quote from: zorgon on February 13, 2015, 01:45:04 AM
Coexistance is possible in theory  but in practice when the one group far outnumbers the other group it will soon escalate with one group pushing their agenda on the other

Only if you ignore the case of Egypt, for example, where the Christian minority was protected from the extremists by the non-extremist Muslims.

Coexistence is possible, what we need is to get rid of the extremists (in all sides, religious, political, etc.).

Quote from: zorgon on February 13, 2015, 08:08:33 AM
So all this Crusade and Jihad BS started hundreds of years before we even existed so its not our fault.

Yes, it started many years before, but it also ended many years before, so why did it restart?

If you look at the wars since the last crusade ended you can see that they were mostly local wars against a specific enemy or against the colonising or invading forces, the current situation only started after WW2.

QuoteWho created them? I don't know... The Mussad? The CIA?  Some rich bastards like the Rockefeelrs or the Rotchschilds?  I don't know  and I no longer care

Nuke the Lot of em :P and lets get on with it

I care, as knowing who was/is responsible would make it possible to "nuke" only those, as nuking the puppets and leaving the puppet master will only make the puppet master choose a different puppet.

ArMaP is right.  Just because this all started before we were born is not a reason to continue settling disputes by blowing each other up.  It is a primitive backward way to settle disputes.

The way the middle east was cut up when the Brits and company pulled out of is definitley part of the reason for the continuing squabbles.

The other reason the problem is so bad today is that the USA and also Iran/Russia and others fund extremists to fight a proxy war on their behalf in that region.  That is where ISIS/ISIL come from.  That is where Al Qaida come from.  that is where the Taliban come from.  That is where the weapons come from.  You can't fight a war without arms and funds.

Quote from: ArMaP on February 13, 2015, 09:55:12 AM
Coexistence is possible, what we need is to get rid of the extremists (in all sides, religious, political, etc.).

LOL I did say I wasn't REALLY serious about nuking the entire region... just FEEL that way

So okay HOW do we get rid of these extremists? Do we ask them nicely to step down? Do we round them up and put them in FEMA camps?  WHO decides which extremists are to be eradicated? Do we vote them out?

Well we have drones trying to get rid of extremists by selective targeting but those drones are run by extremists that we ...cough  cough...  "elected" by voting for one or the other extremist...


So give me a WORKABLE SOLUTION to remove these extremists that doesn't require nuking them all and we can talk :P

In the meantime  here is a temporary solution to Pimander's Pub problem

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We need to go back to Warfare like it was in Medieval times  where the rulers were on the front lines... Winner was decided by with leader won the day and they all went back to the pubs until the next one :D

King Richard got killed in the Crusades That stopped that for some time

But I think the root of all this evil is that mankind LOVES war... we see it in little league games... just go to one and watch the soccer moms

We see it in professional soccer matches  Dang riots over a silly ball. We see it in pro wrestling even though we know its rigged the audience screaming for blood

Its the Roman Colleseum on a world wide scale  We are the War Beast  Even in my Medieval Recreation, the Field of Battle is the prime focus and the org has 40,000 members world wide


As Captain James T. Kirk once said :

"We're human beings, with the blood of a million savage years on our hands. But we can stop it. We can admit that we're killers, but we won't kill today."

This is why we have times of relative peace... because sometimes we choose not to kill today... but then tomorrow someone pisses us off again :D

And population is a huge factor...

It is easier to live at peace when there is more space between people.  If as it's claimed for example only 1% of Muslim are extremists, the 1% of a hundred thousand is easy to deal with, but there are currently,   according to a 2010 study and released January 2011, 1.57 billion adherents, making up over 23% of the world population.

So 1% of that is an awful lot of extremists

Quote from: zorgon on February 13, 2015, 07:18:00 PM
So give me a WORKABLE SOLUTION to remove these extremists that doesn't require nuking them all and we can talk :P

I think the best way of fighting extremism is knowledge.

When people see that everybody else is the same as themselves they have less reasons to hate them just based on what someone else said.

I know that's not a sure way of stopping extremism, but I'm sure it would help reduce the amount of people that see extremism as the only or best way to solve some problem. Sure, haters are going to hate, whatever other people do, but most of the extremist's support comes from people that follow them because they didn't find something that looked like a better way.

QuoteBut I think the root of all this evil is that mankind LOVES war... we see it in little league games... just go to one and watch the soccer moms

Not exactly war, but something to go against, probably because with a target to which we can direct our energies we enter a kind of depression and end up vegetating instead of living. That's one thing that I noticed many years ago in people from the US, they are almost constantly in need of having a definite target, and most aren't capable of choosing a new target, they have that target supplied by someone else, so they usually just follow what other people do.

PS: some 30 years ago I noticed that I was always expecting the appearance of some adversary with which I could compare my abilities (and hope I would prove better than him). Never found one at that time, and when I understood what I was doing I changed my way of acting and stopped looking and instead just started thinking about how I could get better myself.

For a start we pressurise our own governments to stop funding/arming extremist groups in an effort to play chess with territory thousands of miles away.

Quote from: zorgon on February 13, 2015, 07:18:00 PM
In the meantime  here is a temporary solution to Pimander's Pub problem

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While I do not agree with the enforced prohibition of anything, (partly because it is tyrannical, and partly because it simply does not work) alcohol is an insidious, toxic substance in my mind.  I rank it alongside methamphetamines, coke, and heroin as one of the most dangerous drugs in existence.  The damage it does both to the internal pH balance, and the organs, can be truly horrific.

The only three controlled substances that I am willing to consume, are cannabis, psilocybe cubensis, and lysergic acid diethylamide.  While LSD does present genuine psychological dangers, the comparitive physical harm or toxicity of all three of these is truthfully extremely low.  I consider it telling that while all three of these are tightly controlled, two of the most long term dangerous substances known, (alcohol and tobacco) while regulated, are legal. 

In the twelve months I've been here at the farm in Nimbin, I've seen people on virtually every drug I can think of, with the exceptions of ketamine, MDMA, and cocaine.  Alcohol is the only drug that has been consumed here, which led to a violent incident that necessitated calling the police.

Psychedelics are minimally harmful to the user, as mentioned.  Their real danger, and the cause of their illegality, is the degree of danger that they pose to ruling institutions, because they promote free association thought, and enable people to begin seeing through the lies that pathocratic societies are built on.  While we know about LSD's use as a mind control substance within MK-ULTRA, mushrooms and cannabis both encourage subversion and individuality, rather than conformity or submission.

LOL I post a funny picture of an Inflatable Pub because Pimander misses his and Petrus goes on a rant about the evils of alcohol :P


Meanwhile in Washington DC in front of the White House


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meUI1R8z_zo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meUI1R8z_zo

Quote from: zorgon on February 14, 2015, 08:15:11 AM
Meanwhile in Washington DC in front of the White House

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meUI1R8z_zo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meUI1R8z_zo

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"Wa-shahad be anna muslimun.  You will be assimilated.  Resistance is futile."

Americans worrying about the Zombie Apocalypse have got things slightly wrong.  The zombies are more likely to be heard yelling, "ALLAHU ACKBAR!" rather than "BRAINS!"

Don't worry, everyone.  The pain will be over relatively quickly.

Quote from: petrus4 on February 14, 2015, 09:24:14 AM
Americans worrying about the Zombie Apocalypse have got things slightly wrong.  The zombies are more likely to be heard yelling, "ALLAHU ACKBAR!" rather than "BRAINS!"

Nahh, the zombies will be watching TV, as they always do.  :P

Quote from: petrus4 on February 14, 2015, 05:14:57 AM
While I do not agree with the enforced prohibition of anything, (partly because it is tyrannical, and partly because it simply does not work) alcohol is an insidious, toxic substance in my mind.  I rank it alongside methamphetamines, coke, and heroin as one of the most dangerous drugs in existence.  The damage it does both to the internal pH balance, and the organs, can be truly horrific.

Some of us believe in liberty.  All substances can be abused.  ::)

Do I strike you as being a sick, unbalanced, poisoned person.  I have a whisky most nights.  I also have an IQ of 139 and recently cycled 103 miles in 5hrs45mins.  I don't think I know a 40 year old who is in better condition than me.  Based on that evidence I'd say a drink or two has done me little harm.  Placing alcohol in a similar brcket to Meth is complete BS.  Sorry mate but that is my opinion and it is based on real experience.

Quote from: ArMaP on February 13, 2015, 09:55:12 AM
Coexistence is possible, what we need is to get rid of the extremists (in all sides, religious, political, etc.).

Well here is one for YOU  :D  But not to sure the Pope is the right guy to head this effort

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Quote from: Pimander on February 14, 2015, 04:30:55 PM
Some of us believe in liberty.  All substances can be abused.  ::)

Do I strike you as being a sick, unbalanced, poisoned person.  I have a whisky most nights.  I also have an IQ of 139 and recently cycled 103 miles in 5hrs45mins.  I don't think I know a 40 year old who is in better condition than me.  Based on that evidence I'd say a drink or two has done me little harm.  Placing alcohol in a similar brcket to Meth is complete BS.  Sorry mate but that is my opinion and it is based on real experience.

To be fair where meth is concerned, I know of someone at the moment who has mainlined ice, and while he knew plenty of people who it did all kinds of damage to, he doesn't seem too much the worse for wear.  He is a little bit of a sociopath, perhaps; but where meth and sociopathy are concerned, there seems to be a chicken and egg paradox.  Does meth make someone a sociopath, or are inherent sociopaths attracted to meth? ;)

If alcohol is not consumed excessively, and if a person's liver and kidneys are in decent shape, then it probably isn't going to hurt too much.  Given what I've seen alcohol do not only to myself but also a few other people, I'm still probably going to be uncomfortable around it; but as I said, there are plenty of claims going around about professionals who shoot heroin and are supposedly still productive.

To the extent that alcohol is harmful to physical health however, (as opposed to someone being a violent drunk) it usually only is long term.  A person can get as drunk as they like on a one off basis, short of alcohol poisoning, and they will probably be fine.  The damage is cumulative.

I completely believe in individual autonomy as well; but at this point, while other people can do whatever they like, there are certain things that I am no longer willing to do myself.

Thread is about SHARIA LAW not substance abuse 

This thread addresses the true nature of the threat. I have joined an initiative in my community facilitated by DHS, FBI, NCTC,  and local public DPS called Countering Violent Extremism (CVE). Civilians and a couple DPS communication officers do the outreach in a GENUINE effort for good.

CAIR (COUNCIL ON AMERICAN-ISLAMIC RELATIONS) in my state has basically started a campaign of propoganda and race baiting. Their goal is to curb all the progress we've made!!!

The slow erosion of America's principles is the long term "existential" threat to democracy all over the world. Foreign media arms are acting as a huge force multiplier too. Left wing "were the nice ones" liberals are friging communists. They are being demoralized and subversed, essentially nurturing the political environment required for democratic processes aimed at undermining the principles of our Constutution.

Quote from: zorgon on February 15, 2015, 01:00:31 AM
Thread is about SHARIA LAW not substance abuse

Under Sharia law any intoxicant substance is forbidden. :)

Quote from: Glaucon on February 15, 2015, 01:23:10 AM
This thread addresses the true nature of the threat. I have joined an initiative in my community facilitated by DHS, FBI, NCTC,  and local public DPS called Countering Violent Extremism (CVE). Civilians and a couple DPS communication officers do the outreach in a GENUINE effort for good.

What's "DPS"? ???

QuoteThe slow erosion of America's principles is the long term "existential" threat to democracy all over the world.

"America's principles" may not be exactly the kind of democracy that the world wants. I know I didn't like "America's principles" when I saw some US ships with their guns pointing to my country's parliament 40 years ago.  ::)

QuoteForeign media arms are acting as a huge force multiplier too. Left wing "were the nice ones" liberals are friging communists. They are being demoralized and subversed, essentially nurturing the political environment required for democratic processes aimed at undermining the principles of our Constutution.

Sorry, I don't understand what you mean by this. ???

Sorry Zorgon, but Sharia law and freedom to take risks with your health are pretty closely linked if you ask me.

People who believe and enforce Sharia law have no regard for my freedom.  Neither do people who think they have a right to stop me making my own choices about what I believe, how I live or how I express myself.  It is high time - at least in Europe - that we spoke out against Muslims who think they have a say in whether I can draw a picture of a man called Mohammed.  The key to a civilised society for me is the right to choose how I live and how I express myself without fear for my safety. Anybody who wished to take away that right I will happily fight.

Quote from: Pimander on February 15, 2015, 02:38:04 PM
The key to a civilised society for me is the right to choose how I live and how I express myself without fear for my safety.

I think the key to a civilized society is respect. :)

Quote from: ArMaP on February 15, 2015, 05:13:00 PM
I think the key to a civilized society is respect. :)

Yes.  Respecting the rights of another man/woman to live their life how they choose is pretty much what I mean too.

Shooting people for drawing a picture is not civilised - it is primitive.  There are other examples from religion but that is an obvious one.

Quote from: Pimander on February 15, 2015, 05:17:08 PM
Shooting people for drawing a picture is not civilised - it is primitive.  There are other examples from religion but that is an obvious one.

I agree, but drawing a picture just to provoke other people is not being civilized either.

Quote from: Pimander on February 15, 2015, 05:17:08 PM
Shooting people for drawing a picture is not civilised - it is primitive.  There are other examples from religion but that is an obvious one.

Even Communist Russia allowed political cartoons as an outlet for people's frustration :P

Quote from: zorgon on February 15, 2015, 06:28:20 PM
Even Communist Russia allowed political cartoons as an outlet for people's frustration :P

During the Portuguese fascist regime political cartoons had to be made in a way that didn't make the message obvious, unless it was telling how good the regime was.

I think what is the hardest to overlook is the fact that it appears that all Muslim men can think about is RAPE

The minister used that as an excuse to ban women drivers. In Dubai Western women go to jail because having a drink in public means they want to get raped so are fair game. Even gay men have been raped for being gay  Ummm say what? how does that even make any sense?

The Burka is there to stop them from thinking about raping the women. If they show any skin they are obviously asking to be raped so its their duty to rape them

Over exaggerated?  I think not based on the actions

Now it wasn't that long ago that women got some freedom even here in the USA  but we evolved  :P

In Iran under the Shaw  who may or may not have been a nice guy :P women had freedom and showed they didn't really LIKE the burka as many claim on facebook. Its not the same as a Nun's habit where they CHOSE to wear it

So what is this OBSESION they have with rape? And they use passages from the Qu'ran to justify it as their right. I guess that whole 21 Virgins thing goes to that too.

Sick minds... rapists... and we are supposed to play nice :P

Are all Muslim men rapists?  Dunno :P  Probably not :P But the mindset of women as their property is certainly there


Oh what the hell  Lets go back to Medieval Times :D I want a half dozen women slaves and a Hareem

I miss my Dancers  :(

(http://landoflegendslv.com/32omarkharim/images/Events/OmarRen2000/100.jpg)

But in today's world my Alter Ego of Omar Kharim Ali Allah Ackbar isn't to safe. Was never an issue before, as the Kingdom of Caid (California/Nevada ) is basically Middle Eastern recreation  But with real war on the horizon, even the Belly Dancers are being more cautious

Quote from: zorgon on February 15, 2015, 10:12:54 PM
The Burka is there to stop them from thinking about raping the women. If they show any skin they are obviously asking to be raped so its their duty to rape them

The burqa is only used in some places, so that shows that it's not a religious obligation but an interpretation by some religious leaders.

The Quran says nothing about burqas, it only says that women (and men) should dress modestly and hide the parts of their bodies that can be seen as a kind of "sexual advertisement".

QuoteIn Iran under the Shaw  who may or may not have been a nice guy :P women had freedom and showed they didn't really LIKE the burka as many claim on facebook. Its not the same as a Nun's habit where they CHOSE to wear it

In fact, the hijab was forbidden (in Iran they do not use burqas), the women that wanted to use them could not, as the police forced them to remove it.

The Shah was not a nice guy.

QuoteSo what is this OBSESION they have with rape? And they use passages from the Qu'ran to justify it as their right. I guess that whole 21 Virgins thing goes to that too.

What passages? I don't remember any. ???

Quote from: ArMaP on February 15, 2015, 06:35:59 PM
During the Portuguese fascist regime political cartoons had to be made in a way that didn't make the message obvious, unless it was telling how good the regime was.

Hmmm sounds biased :P

Perhaps these type just don't have a sense of humor :P

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/1947727_633452900024290_243230347_n.jpg?oh=81fade2aedb10b8698ebafbfea81c6cb&oe=5553D554&__gda__=1435850269_84bba7f226fe74415f4586c1194fae79)

Quote from: zorgon on February 15, 2015, 10:56:25 PM
Perhaps these type just don't have a sense of humor :P

It's possible, sense of humour depends in large part of the society we live in. I, for example, am not a great fan of US style humour and find stand up comedy worthless.

Quote from: ArMaP on February 15, 2015, 05:47:37 PM
I agree, but drawing a picture just to provoke other people is not being civilized either.

I agree it is rude to provoke but if you go and live in a country where freedom of expression is important you have to accept that some things people say or do can offend you.

If Muslims can't accept the price we pay for freedom of expression (it offends me what it says in Leviticus but I can't stop people selling millions of Bibles or Koran) then don't live in a modern Western democracy.  I know that sounds harsh but it is how millions of people feel.

30 men of Pakistani origin allegedly abused thousands of young women in Rotherham, England.  All Pakistani Muslims.  They got away with it for years because the Council and Police were afraid of being seen as racist and swept it under the carpet.  Frightening stuff.

Quote from: ArMaP on February 16, 2015, 01:49:18 AM
It's possible, sense of humour depends in large part of the society we live in. I, for example, am not a great fan of US style humour and find stand up comedy worthless.

Not even American Dad or South Park?

Quote from: Pimander on February 16, 2015, 02:14:22 AM
30 men of Pakistani origin allegedly abused thousands of young women in Rotherham, England.  All Pakistani Muslims.  They got away with it for years because the Council and Police were afraid of being seen as racist and swept it under the carpet.  Frightening stuff.

This is what I am talking about  they always have RAPE on their minds  Fvck em all just exterminate the vermin  And the Bobbies are  really dumb for allowing this.

Quote from: Pimander on February 16, 2015, 02:17:39 AM
Not even American Dad or South Park?

I don't know American Dad. South Park has some good moments, but too few to make me want to watch a full episode. From the few I have seen, I prefer the first episodes to the newer ones.

Quote from: Pimander on February 16, 2015, 02:14:22 AM
I agree it is rude to provoke but if you go and live in a country where freedom of expression is important you have to accept that some things people say or do can offend you.

That's why I said "respect". :)

As long as you respect other people's choices, even when you don't agree with them, things would be more peaceful.

QuoteIf Muslims can't accept the price we pay for freedom of expression (it offends me what it says in Leviticus but I can't stop people selling millions of Bibles or Koran) then don't live in a modern Western democracy.  I know that sounds harsh but it is how millions of people feel.

It doesn't sound harsh to me, but it sounds like you are treating all Muslims as if they were all the same, which, for me, is a sign of lack of respect for all the peaceful Muslims.

Quote30 men of Pakistani origin allegedly abused thousands of young women in Rotherham, England.  All Pakistani Muslims.  They got away with it for years because the Council and Police were afraid of being seen as racist and swept it under the carpet.  Frightening stuff.

Yes, I know that case, but does it mean that all Muslims act like that? No, it means that 30 Pakistani Muslims living in the UK did it, in the same way some British paedophiles's actions do not mean that all British are paedophiles.

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/02/egypt-bombs-isil-targets-libya-mass-beheadings-150216063339037.html

I am fed up with all of this back and forth bullpoop.  If anything, it just keeps proving to me that nobody is serious about doing anything to really control ISIS, or to remove any legitimate threat that exists.  That further proves to me that ISIS/Islamic extremism are not legitimate, organic threats, but that they have indeed been created by the trans-Atlantic intelligence community.

Quote from: ArMaP on February 16, 2015, 09:24:00 AM
It doesn't sound harsh to me, but it sounds like you are treating all Muslims as if they were all the same, which, for me, is a sign of lack of respect for all the peaceful Muslims.

On the contrary, I respect all peaceful people who are mutually tolerant.

QuoteYes, I know that case, but does it mean that all Muslims act like that? No, it means that 30 Pakistani Muslims living in the UK did it, in the same way some British paedophiles's actions do not mean that all British are paedophiles.

It is obvious that not all people who are Muslim are paedophiles.  What I was trying to point out is that tolerance and political correctness have gone too far.  The authorities and people generally have been afraid to take action against certain cultural/racial groups.

I am of the opinion that people should be educated in the ways of a free democratic (I know we don't live entirely in one but...) society.  However, if they don't respect and live by those values then they have no place in it.  They should be denied citizenship and deported to a place that shares their values (including Westerners).  People have died for what we have today.  Nobody should be allowed to take that away!

Quote from: ArMaP on February 16, 2015, 08:58:49 AM
South Park has some good moments, but too few to make me want to watch a full episode. From the few I have seen, I prefer the first episodes to the newer ones.

The early episodes were the best IMO. :)

Quote from: petrus4 on February 16, 2015, 10:02:02 AM
That further proves to me that ISIS/Islamic extremism are not legitimate, organic threats, but that they have indeed been created by the trans-Atlantic intelligence community.

The philosophy they espouse was not created by the intelligence community.  Al Qaida are what they are because of primarily the CIA and their buddies.  ISIL are effectively a group that split from an Al Qaida faction.  They are now funded primarily by sections of the elite in QATAR, Saudi Arabia and certain Turks  - WHO ARE USA/UK's CLOSEST ALLIES IN THE REGION bar none.

I keep saying this.  We need another foreign policy.  The Washington Hawks and certain Christian fundamentalists (who believe they are participating in the final battle between good and evil) are driving the current foreign policy.  We need to change that.  Don't ask me how.

There are good reasons why I decided to leave the front line in these matters.

ETA: Petrus if you are serious about fighting ISIS/ISIL, what do you think we should do?

Quote from: Pimander on February 16, 2015, 01:25:20 PM
On the contrary, I respect all peaceful people who are mutually tolerant.

It's the way it was written, just saying "Muslims" appears to apply to all.

QuoteIt is obvious that not all people who are Muslim are paedophiles.  What I was trying to point out is that tolerance and political correctness have gone too far.  The authorities and people generally have been afraid to take action against certain cultural/racial groups.

That's not tolerance, that looks more like some kind of guilt complex. And "political correctness" is one of the most stupid creations of the modern world.

QuoteI am of the opinion that people should be educated in the ways of a free democratic (I know we don't live entirely in one but...) society.  However, if they don't respect and live by those values then they have no place in it.  They should be denied citizenship and deported to a place that shares their values (including Westerners).

I agree, but not with the deporting, as that would create clusters of people with a common enemy and would give them more power.

Quote from: ArMaP on February 16, 2015, 03:12:02 PM
I agree, but not with the deporting, as that would create clusters of people with a common enemy and would give them more power.

Good point.  It would probably make more sense to remove full citizenship rights but not deport.

Original raw footage says she was executed for adultery 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxSGF_iaerU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxSGF_iaerU

Quote from: Pimander on February 16, 2015, 01:25:20 PM
On the contrary, I respect all peaceful people who are mutually tolerant.
It is obvious that not all people who are Muslim are paedophiles.  What I was trying to point out is that tolerance and political correctness have gone too far.  The authorities and people generally have been afraid to take action against certain cultural/racial groups.

Tolerance and political correctness have only really gone too far in the minds of the activist Left.  The reason why that is a problem, is because said activist Left are a group who have an overwhelming tendency to put political correctness before physical survival.  In other words, they are literally insane.

The group that I am talking about have substituted a mixture of Marxist (and Frankfurt School, more generally) ideology and hysterical emotion, in lieu of genuine critical thought.  They do not adapt said ideology in response to empirical evidence that said ideology might be flawed; they simply hold on to it and go through the routine that it prescribes, whether it is logical for them to do so or not.

Then again, pure democracy is not really applicable to our current society, either; and the reason why it isn't, is because democracy does not scale well with larger population sizes.  I think it was Plato who referred to 100,000 as being the size of an ideal city; although personally I would put that number much, much lower.

Representative democracy is also a farce.  It will never work, and the entire reason why it can not, is because the only basis of law is the consent of the governed.  In other words, if a Senate passes a law, then said law is only truly binding on the people who are literal signatories to the document.  Anybody outside the room, or whose signature is not on said document, is not genuinely bound by the law.  People can talk about delegation until they are blue in the face, but it is not truly binding, and again the reason why, is because said delegates never even attempt to gain the explicit consent of the people who they are supposedly representing.

If we lived in a society where the total human population was anywhere south of 50% of what it is now, then I could see direct democracy working within relatively small towns or settlements, where the technological level of said settlements was either minimal, or if it was advanced, was designed in such a way that it never went beyond human scale.  We can not have that, however, and the reason why is because the psychopaths will never let us.

QuotePeople have died for what we have today.  Nobody should be allowed to take that away!

While I agree that people should be classically educated, I think it is very dangerous to base the worth of a particular social model, on the number of people who have died to preserve said model.  That is an extremely rapid path to fascism.

The other thing to be aware of, is that people actually have not died to preserve a given society as such.  What they have died to preserve in practice, perhaps, has been a set of ideals; but they have also not been able to prevent the fact that the very governments they were fighting for, have themselves always primarily consisted of exactly the sort of psychopaths who said military have thought that they were fighting against.

The Islamic invasion of Britain is primarily due to the immigration policy of Tony Blair.  I have always said, and I continue to believe, that the threat is never truly foreign; it is always domestic.

Quote from: ArMaP on February 15, 2015, 02:01:18 PM
What's "DPS"? ???
"America's principles" may not be exactly the kind of democracy that the world wants. I know I didn't like "America's principles" when I saw some US ships with their guns pointing to my country's parliament 40 years ago.  ::)
Sorry, I don't understand what you mean by this. ???$FTJ/5s[b@t^tK&3

Department of public saftey. Local authorities.

Employing US principles, in domestic politics and personal assessment.

The face of modern warfare is elusive. Demoralization and subversion may or may not be a critical component in this new kind of hybrid warfare. With the communication technology common to nearly everyone today, Objectives of foreign interests can now be consolidated WITHOUT the use of conventional force (the type common in the historical context)

The world is very different today.

Employing US princies, not deploying them.

This is a a document/text I read recently. It's the best material available to inform Western opinion of Islamic philosophy. I had lots of "wow, good point/that's genius" moments while reading it
http://www.mihraab.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/Reliance-of-the-Traveler-Translation.pdf

On a Tip from a retired spook :D "Operation Hornets Nest"

Operation Hornets Nest: Alleged Snowden document says US/UK/Israel are behind ISIS


From Gulf Daily News...

The former employee at US National Security Agency (NSA), Edward Snowden, has revealed that the British and American intelligence and the Mossad worked together to create the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS).

Snowden said intelligence services of three countries created a terrorist organisation that is able to attract all extremists of the world to one place, using a strategy called "the hornet's nest".

NSA documents refer to recent implementation of the hornet's nest to protect the Zionist entity by creating religious and Islamic slogans.

According to documents released by Snowden, "The only solution for the protection of the Jewish state "is to create an enemy near its borders".

Leaks revealed that ISIS leader and cleric Abu Bakr Al Baghdadi took intensive military training for a whole year in the hands of Mossad, besides courses in theology and the art of speech..

Facts:

1) ISIS leader Al-Baghdadi was once a super-high level prisoner of the US government. Despite the fact that the US had offered a ten million dollar reward for him, the Obama regime ordered his release in 2009.

2) The Obama regime, with major support from Senate neo-cons John McCain and Lindsey Graham, gave hundreds of millions in military aid to Sunni Jihadists in Syria. Thousands of individuals receiving US aid are now members of ISIS. In fact, ISIS has even posted pictures of ISIS fighters with US Senator John McCain on the internet.

3) Israel has directly aided Sunni Jihadists in Syria by bombing Syrian military assets during Jihadist attacks.

4) The Israeli Prime Minister has reacted to the ISIS spearheaded Sunni/Shia Civil War in Iraq with borderline glee. The president of Israel has also suggested that a Sunni/Shia war is beneficial to the future of Israel.

5) The US and Britiain provided Sunni Jihadists with Toyota trucks in Syria. When, an army of ISIS fighters rolled over the Syria/Iraq border it looked like a commercial for Toyota.

http://conservative-headlines.com/2014/07/operation-hornets-nest-alleged-snowden-document-says-usukisrael-are-behind-isis/

Baghdadi 'Mossad trained'
http://www.gulf-daily-news.com/NewsDetails.aspx?storyid=381153


From the past...

The CIA's "Operation
Cyclone" - Stirring The Hornet's
Nest Of Islamic Unrest

FriendsOfLiberty.com
10-27-2

Zbigniew Brzezinski not long ago revealed that on July 3, 1979, unknown to the American public and Congress, President Jimmy Carter secretly authorized $500 million to create an international terrorist movement that would spread Islamic fundamentalism in Central Asia and "de-stabilise" the Soviet Union...
The CIA called this Operation Cyclone and in the following years poured $4 billion into setting up Islamic training schools in Pakistan (Taliban means "student").

Young zealots were sent to the CIA's spy training camp in Virginia, where future members of al-Qaeda were taught "sabotage skills" - terrorism.

Others were recruited at an Islamic school in Brooklyn, New York, within sight of the fated Twin Towers.

In Pakistan, they were directed by British MI6 officers and trained by the SAS.

The result, quipped Brzezinski, was "a few stirred up Muslims" - meaning the Taliban.

The Wall Street Journal declared: "The Taliban are the players most capable of achieving peace. Moreover, they were crucial to secure the country as a prime trans-shipment route for the export of Central Asia's vast oil, gas and other natural resources."

No American newspaper dares suggest that the prisoners in Camp X-Ray are the product of this policy, nor that it was one of the factors that led to the attacks of September 11.

Nor do they ask: who were the real winners of September 11?

The day the Wall Street stock market opened after the destruction of the Twin Towers, the few companies showing increased value were the giant military contractors Alliant Tech Systems, Northrop Grumman, Raytheon (a contributor to New Labor) and Lockheed Martin.

As the US military's biggest supplier, Lockheed Martin's share value rose by a staggering 30 per cent.

Within six weeks of September 11, the company (with its main plant in Texas, George Bush's home state) had secured the biggest military order in history: a $200 billion contract to develop a new fighter aircraft. The greatest taboo of all, which Orwell would surely recognize, is the record of the United States as a terrorist state and haven for terrorists.

This truth is virtually unknown by the American public and makes a mockery of Bush's (and Blair's) statements about "tracking down terrorists wherever they are."

They don't have to look far.

Florida, currently governed by the President's brother, Jeb Bush, has given refuge to terrorists who, like the September 11 gang, have hi-jacked aircraft and boats with guns and knives.

Most have never had criminal charges brought against them.

Why? All of them are anti-Castro Cubans. Former Guatemalan Defence Minister Gramajo Morales, who was accused of "devising and directing an indiscriminate campaign of terror against civilians", including the torture of an American nun and the massacre of eight people from one family, studied at Harvard University on a US government scholarship.

During the 1980s, thousands of people were murdered by death squads connected to the army of El Salvador, whose former chief now lives comfortably in Florida.

The former Haitian dictator, General Prosper Avril, liked to display the bloodied victims of his torture on television.

When he was overthrown, he was flown to Florida by the US government, and granted political asylum.

A leading member of the Chilean military during the reign of General Pinochet, whose special responsibility was executions and torture, lives in Miami.

THE Iranian general who ran Iran's notorious prisons, is a wealthy exile in the US.

One of Pol Pot's senior henchmen, who enticed Cambodian exiles back to their certain death, lives in Mount Vernon, New York.

What all these people have in common, apart from their history of terrorism, is that they either worked directly for the US government or carried out the dirty work of US policies.

The al-Qaeda training camps are kindergartens compared with the world's leading university of terrorism at Fort Benning in Georgia. Known until recently as the School of the Americas, its graduates include almost half the cabinet ministers of the genocidal regimes in Guatemala, two thirds of the El Salvadoran army officers who committed, according to the United Nations, the worst atrocities of that country's civil war, and the head of Pinochet's secret police, who ran Chile's concentration camps.

There is terrible irony at work here. The humane response of people all over the world to the terrorism of September 11 has long been hijacked by those running a rapacious great power with a history of terrorism second to none. Global supremacy, not the defeat of terrorism, is the goal; only the politically blind believe otherwise.

http://www.rense.com/general31/cyc.htm

I wouldn't let Snowden join my son's schools PTA group. But I guess he's free to flap his retardedly extreme overly simplified understanding of how the IC works.

US soldiers raped Iraqi boys in front of their mothers

Now, over a decade later the evidence of these events are beginning to surface...

According to various well respected journalists, including Seymour Hersh, the appalling video was recorded at Abu Ghraib, the notorious US torture dungeon in Iraq that made headlines roughly a decade ago, when the inhumane tactics being used at the prison were exposed.

Sadly, it seems that the evidence released years ago was only scratching the surface.

While the video has remained under wraps thus far, Hersh says it is only a matter of time before it comes out.

Giving a speech at the ACLU last week after the senate torture report was initially released, Hersh gave some insight into what was on the Pentagon's secret tape.

In the most revealing portion of his speech he said that:

"Debating about it, ummm ... Some of the worst things that happened you don't know about, okay? Videos, um, there are women there. Some of you may have read that they were passing letters out, communications out to their men. This is at Abu Ghraib ... The women were passing messages out saying 'Please come and kill me, because of what's happened' and basically what happened is that those women who were arrested with young boys, children in cases that have been recorded. The boys were sodomized with the cameras rolling. And the worst above all of that is the soundtrack of the boys shrieking that your government has. They are in total terror. It's going to come out."

"It's impossible to say to yourself how did we get there? Who are we? Who are these people that sent us there? When I did My Lai I was very troubled like anybody in his right mind would be about what happened. I ended up in something I wrote saying in the end I said that the people who did the killing were as much victims as the people they killed because of the scars they had, I can tell you some of the personal stories by some of the people who were in these units witnessed this. I can also tell you written complaints were made to the highest officers and so we're dealing with a enormous massive amount of criminal wrongdoing that was covered up at the highest command out there and higher, and we have to get to it and we will. We will. You know there's enough out there, they can't (Applause). .... So it's going to be an interesting election year."

Put into context with another speech that Hersh gave earlier this year, it becomes clear that the women who witnessed these young boys being raped were actually their mothers.

http://www.veteransnewsnow.com/2014/12/29/513543us-soldiers-raped-iraqi-boys-in-front-of-their-mothers/

http://www.salon.com/2004/07/15/hersh_7/


Sounds like a lot of people can get rapey these days....not just those pesky Moslems.  Humons are animals when they want to be.

I don't know about the US, but Britain is on the verge of falling to Islam!

They tried to take over schools in Birmingham (They did take over schools!)

http://www.spectator.co.uk/features/9230681/save-our-children-from-the-islamists/ (http://www.spectator.co.uk/features/9230681/save-our-children-from-the-islamists/)

At least 16 regions of Britain have Imam's calling for Sharia Law and/or have already introduced it, in so called "Islamic No-Go Areas".

They raped and forced into sexual slavery 8,000 young British girls (The youngest was 8 yrs old) and murdered 1400 of them when they used them up. To them these girls are "meat".

Remember! This is NON RADICAL ISLAM! These are the people spouting daily how ISLAM is a religion of Peace!

The response of the British Government is pathetic, cowardly and a disgrace that should be punished. But it's too late! Other countries better learn their tactics (US, New Zealand, Australia) before they become the next victims. BUT! THEY HAVE PATHETIC GOVERNMENTS TOO!

This video sums up the British response to NON Radical ISLAM:

Muslims Chase Cops in London....Police Run for Cover:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBtct-z9JS8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBtct-z9JS8)

   There are some who believe every thing they see or hear, if it fits their
agenda..It may be best to think that everything is faked, until proven
otherwise. We see fake videos every day
   One that comes to mind is the 7 ft. tall isis with their captives exposed
  just lately. Some think this may be faked.
      rubicon

Barry seems to be in Denial!

President Obama Summit Violent Extremism Full Speech - We aren't at war with Islam

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUwBI9l7ZXc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUwBI9l7ZXc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUwBI9l7ZXc)

Open your eyes Barry! Look at how Islam overall has acted in ALL the countries it has invaded! Attacking ISLAM isn't racist, it's a religion! Stop lying about ISLAM.

When it comes to ISLAM: Don't Believe what they say, observe how they act. Their actions do not match their rhetoric!

Sweden: Muslims rape over 700 women and 300 children within the first seven months of 2013: Crime report

https://themuslimissue.wordpress.com/2013/10/13/muslims-raped-over-300-swedish-children-and-700-women-in-seven-months-of-2013/ (https://themuslimissue.wordpress.com/2013/10/13/muslims-raped-over-300-swedish-children-and-700-women-in-seven-months-of-2013/)

Islam and Extremism: What Is Underneath

http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/3425/islam-extremism (http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/3425/islam-extremism)

Islamic child exploitation gangs, now it is also an Australian problem.

QuoteThe Melbourne Herald has reported that children who are wards of the State of Victoria are being subjected to sexual exploitation by various gangs, including ones made up of Muslim Afghans. This is a similar modus operandi to what we've seen in Britain where Islamic gangs target vulnerable children and then sell them into prostitution.

http://www.fahrenheit211.net/2014/10/07/islamic-child-exploitation-gangs-now-it-is-also-an-australian-problem/ (http://www.fahrenheit211.net/2014/10/07/islamic-child-exploitation-gangs-now-it-is-also-an-australian-problem/)

Guess what the gang members received as punishment?
What do you think they deserved?
Wouldn't you make an example of them to deter other Muslim men from perpetrating the same crimes?

NO, NOT IN AUSTRALIA!

No convictions! Just 'restraining orders' to prevent them from seeing those girls!

So what did the perpetrators do?
They continued with a new batch of girls!

The responses of Government and Law enforcement are pathetic and if I was sarcastic, I would say you will get what you deserve by not stopping them, NOW!

Quote from: starwarp2000 on February 21, 2015, 06:58:47 PM
Islamic child exploitation gangs, now it is also an Australian problem.

http://www.fahrenheit211.net/2014/10/07/islamic-child-exploitation-gangs-now-it-is-also-an-australian-problem/ (http://www.fahrenheit211.net/2014/10/07/islamic-child-exploitation-gangs-now-it-is-also-an-australian-problem/)

I suppose this part of the article doesn't matter.  ::)

QuoteAs well as the Dandenong-based Afghani gang, one agency operating residential units has identified a network of 12 "Anglo" men who had worked together to sexually exploit teens in its care — information that it has passed on to police.

Actually Armap, they were never brought to trial. (The 12 anglo men)
From information i have, they were 'undercover' Police.
Notice! They don't appear in this report:

http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2014/03/11/gangs-accused-preying-state-wards (http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2014/03/11/gangs-accused-preying-state-wards)

But this line should inform you: In a statement, Victoria Police said it worked closely with the Department of Human Services to prevent children in protection from being sexually exploited.

Hint! Hint!  ;)

Need to check this one  Can't believe everything on the Internet after all :P

But if true  we are already sliding downhill


(https://scontent-sjc.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/l/t1.0-9/10625062_535025799961542_6966450943818082205_n.jpg?oh=1d077f60be30c75be66d77c9e2653f01&oe=5590EEF3)

Quote from: 08rubicon on February 21, 2015, 05:37:25 PM
   There are some who believe every thing they see or hear, if it fits their
agenda..It may be best to think that everything is faked, until proven
otherwise. We see fake videos every day

It is true that there is a lot of fake news They passed a law to allow news media to propagandise so it is legal

But you cannot tell me that it is all fake  The two rape cased in Dubai are well documented for example, And Pimander LIVES in Nottingham so that is a boots on the ground report.

I have friends in Paris Parisian French and Moroccan Muslim.  So I have first had knowledge of the situation from people who live there.

Denying that there is an Islamic problem is like sticking your head in the sand. Is it blown out of proportion? Maybe  but it is real,  So what do we do? Ignore it? Brush it aside?  Until it is too late and its in your area?

What really gets me is the rape aspect. These are supposed to be religious people but all they have on their mind is RAPE  The whole burkah issue is to cover the woman head to toe so they aren't tempted to RAPE

The speech made by the Saudi Historian is live  That is not fake He said that  Again it is about RAPE  how women in America don't mind being RAPED so its okay for them to drive but we can't have that here in Saudiland  WTF?   They still practice female genital mutilation in many of those Islamic nations so the women cannot feel any pleasure  These people are INSANE  The whole mindset is one of RAPE and making laws to protect the men that do it

I am old  I will likely be dead before it gets to Nevada but at the current rate if something isn't done our streets will not be safe. This is already coming to me from my friends in Paris who would love to be able to get out and come to the US  Pimander says the same

QuoteOne that comes to mind is the 7 ft. tall isis with their captives exposed
  just lately. Some think this may be faked.
      rubicon

What IF :P you are the one that is blind to reality? What IF there really are 7 ft tall Afghani's and it is NOT fake? Like this fellow?   

(http://bigdonsboys.com/giant_giants/images/afghan_and_soldier.jpg)

Quote from: starwarp2000 on February 21, 2015, 07:22:02 PM
Actually Armap, they were never brought to trial. (The 12 anglo men)
From information i have, they were 'undercover' Police.
Notice! They don't appear in this report:

http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2014/03/11/gangs-accused-preying-state-wards (http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2014/03/11/gangs-accused-preying-state-wards)

But this line should inform you: In a statement, Victoria Police said it worked closely with the Department of Human Services to prevent children in protection from being sexually exploited.

Hint! Hint!  ;)

Hints mean nothing, show me facts.

Quote from: zorgon on February 21, 2015, 08:22:56 PM
They still practice female genital mutilation in many of those Islamic nations so the women cannot feel any pleasure

That practice, although common in some Islamic nations, is not a Muslim practice.

Quote from: ArMaP on February 21, 2015, 08:37:59 PM
Hints mean nothing, show me facts.

Here are some FACTS for you :P

Palestinian Children's Army

(https://scontent-sjc.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/1782080_430693307107218_3405082858520032820_n.jpg?oh=ce6b109f3f07382542c61f93aadc8502&oe=55531BCC)

HAMAS 

(https://scontent-sjc.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/10991400_430693553773860_9030242994277116378_n.jpg?oh=efea3da3d00a8a98dadbe47e2f2d8f13&oe=558BA7CC)

Jewish Selttlers in Gaza

(https://scontent-sjc.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/1795716_430693423773873_3599423686478150582_n.jpg?oh=ef36b73285b20e65ed9a2c457dee3fcb&oe=558832B6)

(http://electronicintifada.net/sites/electronicintifada.net/files/styles/large/public/afplivefive782729.jpg?itok=jYo_P_RE)

5 Yr Old Terrorists Training At Taliban Camp

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNZdpzo9NPQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNZdpzo9NPQ

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/afghanistan/10011813/Taliban-little-commandos-in-terror-camp-training-video.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2313023/The-Talibans-boy-commandos-Children-young-FIVE-horrifying-arsenal-weapons-terror-training-camp.html

SAUDI Wedding celebrations 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfSJpHaD9Lg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfSJpHaD9Lg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJEO3rmefmI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJEO3rmefmI

And they say Americans are gun crazy and we need gun control? Really?

Meanwhile in New Jersey 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQ0uRFq6T0I

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQ0uRFq6T0I

An what is our "President" doing about all this?

Playing GOLF

(http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/files/2013/02/Obama-Golf.jpg)

   Then again, there might be a small chance that I could be wrong
     rubicon

Quote from: 08rubicon on February 21, 2015, 10:04:22 PM
   Then again, there might be a small chance that I could be wrong
     rubicon

I think we all have THAT problem :P

The thing for me is that I can go outside and see the beautiful clear blue skies of Nevada (oops chemtrails 3 days ago :P) , no bombs dropping.. (oops NELLIS is NOISY and they are bombing the desert Tortoise to oblivion with Red Flag

errr well still    I go outside and I see none of the gloom and doom in my area so therefor it doesn't exist and is all false flag

But then  I live in a Faerie Tale World anyway :P

Quote from: ArMaP on February 21, 2015, 08:40:29 PM
That practice, although common in some Islamic nations, is not a Muslim practice.

Ah well I have difficulty separating Islam from Muslim  I have the same problem separating Zionists from other Jews though I will admit the Orthodox diamond merchants I have met seem like nice guys :P

But as you say IT IS STILL DONE in some Islamic nations. Perhaps it is high time that the people in those countiess clean their own house N'est ce pas?

Lets just sell them all WMD's and tons of guns   then buy a lot of popcorn and watch the fun D


I mean it's such a fun spectica; to watch  All those pretty rockets and mortars  Seems everyone in the worl id bent on blowing each other up these days

Ukraine

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PshecSDz8ak

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PshecSDz8ak


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7xyJOQ0pac

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7xyJOQ0pac

Quote from: zorgon on February 21, 2015, 10:56:41 PM
Ah well I have difficulty separating Islam from Muslim  I have the same problem separating Zionists from other Jews though I will admit the Orthodox diamond merchants I have met seem like nice guys :P

I should have said Islamic countries and Islamic practice or Muslim countries and Muslim practice, so people didn't got confused.  ::)

The fact that some of the countries where they practice female genital mutilation are countries in which Islam is the official religion doesn't mean that this is an Islamic practice, as it is used in countries and regions with other religions, like Christians and animists, because it's more a regional practice than a religious practice.

I hope that clears things up for the less informed.  :P

Quote from: ArMaP on February 21, 2015, 08:37:59 PM
Hints mean nothing, show me facts.

When have good solid facts ever stopped you from 'nit picking' ?? You can lead a horse to water..............

For you factual entertainment. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g84g2KJcUV0

Quote from: starwarp2000 on February 22, 2015, 04:11:58 AM
When have good solid facts ever stopped you from 'nit picking' ??

From "nit picking"? Only when I think there's something missing, but I never ignore them.

QuoteFor you factual entertainment. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g84g2KJcUV0

Nothing like evading the topic. ::)

That has no relation to your "hint", and the guy saying the Earth is flat is presented as a "Researcher on Astronomy", the other guy is the one presented as a scientist, a Physicist, but that small fact was ignored.  :P

Quote from: ArMaP on February 22, 2015, 11:41:06 AM

Nothing like evading the topic. ::)

That has no relation to your "hint", and the guy saying the Earth is flat is presented as a "Researcher on Astronomy", the other guy is the one presented as a scientist, a Physicist, but that small fact was ignored.  :P

It wasn't meant to be related to my 'hint'! I thought we passed that point?

The fact is that you have selective hearing. You watched the video and picked out the facts that 'you' wanted to hear. Whether the guy is a circus clown, a geriatric donkey, or whatever, doesn't really matter. What was portrayed in their video is that Muslims believe the earth is flat, and the Sun revolves around the Earth! Nothing more, nothing less!
Just thought I would point that out. Sometimes I find it hard to follow your reasoning process :)

OUTRAGEOUS LIES: Barak Obama Says Islam is Part of America's Founding

http://rightwingnews.com/democrats/outrageous-lies-barak-obama-says-islam-part-americas-founding/ (http://rightwingnews.com/democrats/outrageous-lies-barak-obama-says-islam-part-americas-founding/)

Quote from: starwarp2000 on February 22, 2015, 03:14:20 PM
It wasn't meant to be related to my 'hint'! I thought we passed that point?

The way you wrote I thought it was still related to the "hint/fact" discussion.

QuoteThe fact is that you have selective hearing. You watched the video and picked out the facts that 'you' wanted to hear. Whether the guy is a circus clown, a geriatric donkey, or whatever, doesn't really matter. What was portrayed in their video is that Muslims believe the earth is flat, and the Sun revolves around the Earth! Nothing more, nothing less!

No, what the video shows is that that Muslim guy believes the Earth is flat.

QuoteSometimes I find it hard to follow your reasoning process :)

It's easy, you just have to be me. ;D

Quote from: starwarp2000 on February 22, 2015, 03:14:20 PM
Just thought I would point that out. Sometimes I find it hard to follow your reasoning process :)

It's easy :P ArMaP is to info what a spelling Nazi is to spelling errors :P

So okay I stand corrected  it is not a Muslim practise per say
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_genital_mutilation

Quote from: starwarp2000 on February 22, 2015, 04:11:58 AM
For you factual entertainment. 

Back in the 60's I was sure I would be vacationing on the Moon.  In the 70's I was sure the wprld was actually improving..

Iran before the Islamic Revoloution

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/__e2VLp6gwyk/SeWEoEqeD9I/AAAAAAAADDw/BZwnBrq9foc/s320/BR4.PNG)
http://www.pagef30.com/2009/04/iran-in-1970s-before-islamic-revolution.html

I guess I was wrong

Today NASA has no spaceships and is more of a joke than anything Iran is under the Veil and the world is sliding downhill at ever increasing speeds back into the Dark Ages


I guess I should go outside and enjoy what is left before WWIII starts. It's still pretty good out here in the desert  California is dryiing up while the east is buried in snow... but here we are kinda static. Been in the 80's last few weeks  today its cool (50's) and looks like rain....

The Garden is doing well so far...I can forget the world is in meltdown for now 

But its sad really that mankind in general has become so stupid

People blame the Elite, the PTB, the Secret Societies... but the stupidity is seeping in at all levels

There is a 70 year old 33rd degree Mason, Ex CIA etc etc fellow on FB that just survived a heart attack.  He is telling secrets, sharing stuff from the inside...

But reading it... I see nothing new... nothing I haven't seen on the net before... and just like all the other insiders, it's 20% truth 20% stories, 20% lies, 20% disinfo and 20% pure BS intended to stir people up

LOL okay those percentages are just made up :P  But the more I look around the more I see that NO ONE has te answers and the solutions. No matter how deep they are into secret knowledge, in the end it makes no difference

Do we have a secreat space fleet? I am 100% sure we do... BUT what good does it do? It's not helping solve the worlds's problems

Do we have secreat Alien like technology? I am sure we do... but what good is it doing?

Trillions of dollars going into black ops  millions of people vanishing or dying mysteriously  Doesn't matter  nothing changes

So is there a place off world where "THEY" are setting up? That would esplain why nothing is happening :P  but the elite are buying land in other countries where they think they will be safe, they are taking money out of the US and resigning citizenship because the IRS wants to tax off shore holdings  So it appears that even the Elite do not have access to that off world haven

I suppose I should just go out and smell the roses while I can   convert everything to monopoly money and then buy stuff that has real value while that funny money still has exchange value  At least that way the debt is paid off and my kids will have a fighting chance

Not sure if UK and Europe will survive this  It's not looking good.  Not sure exactly what is in Obama's head but he definitely is pro Muslim. It's not looking good.

The only thing I have to hold on to is the recent BLM/Bundy ranch incident.  When the BLM moved in I was like "Holy crap... I guess even Nevada is now compromised"  well I reacted to soon :P  Seems the Good Old Boys are not dead yet out in the West...

And not one shot fired.... and I saw the cows last week  they are still roaming the range :D

well Z I have been thinking a lot about what you have posted here and my personal conclusion is that this
whole way-the-world-is  is the last attempt (by whatever higher power you want to credit)
to dispel the apathy that has taken control of most ..

kind a chance to make a difference instead of just watching and bitching about it...

I have also come to the very sad (for ME)  conclusion that I can't save the whole world.. I can only work at where I am and hope it  makes a difference....
and to not get  bogged down with what looks ike the futility of it all because to go negative would then truly be failure on a grand scale

but like I said.. that's a personal thought process... I wish I could give advice on what to do
but I don't have any..
all I have is how I am handling it

group hug and good luck

Zorgon,   I could not have written a better piece about how I am feeling, also. But I have been told many times , that I am Not here to change the world,  but to have the world change me. Reflection is a good thing. All is not lost, if some how we have become, more reflective and thoughtful about our own actions. That truely is the only power we've ever had any way. We come to are own wisdom.

I still have a rant or two left in me  ::)

Space Otter, Well said!  Thank you.  :)

Quote from: space otter on February 22, 2015, 07:50:36 PM

well Z I have been thinking a lot about what you have posted here and my personal conclusion is that this
whole way-the-world-is  is the last attempt (by whatever higher power you want to credit)
to dispel the apathy that has taken control of most ..

I think its only deepening the apathy...Its so bad now no one trusts any news to be real. I think the internet has made it worse in many ways  Stuff you would never hear about in local news didn't effect you and you went on about your business.

Now all the world's trouble are in your face and you get caught up in the cascade of endless doom

QuoteI have also come to the very sad (for ME)  conclusion that I can't save the whole world.. I can only work at where I am and hope it  makes a difference....

IF reincarnation is indeed true  (and for me it is 100% certain) then the world doesn't really need saving per say. All you need to do is get enough people to ride out the storm and get their personal existence in order. A teacher of esoteric knowledge once told me that if he had just one pupil that really 'got it' his life would be complete :D

Quotebut like I said.. that's a personal thought process... I wish I could give advice on what to do
but I don't have any..

Well I have one solution LOL Unfortunately all of you are scattered around the world :P

But we could build a Fanatsy Land here in Vegas and make billions  That can then be used for whatever  but certainly would improve the situation for the gang despite what the "I hate money" crowd say :P

There is a real chance for it but I cannot do it alone  and I cannot do it on the web because the concept would soon be stolen.

Sigh... it really is a great dream  and now would be a good time  despite the world situation

Quote from: Phedre on February 22, 2015, 08:35:49 PM
But I have been told many times , that I am Not here to change the world,  but to have the world change me.

Perhaps this is why Jesus only had 12 pupils and talked in riddles to the rest of the world so hearing they would not understand :P

::)

Quote from: space otter on Today at 12:50:36 PM


well Z I have been thinking a lot about what you have posted here and my personal conclusion is that this
whole way-the-world-is  is the last attempt (by whatever higher power you want to credit)
to dispel the apathy that has taken control of most ..



I think its only deepening the apathy...Its so bad now no one trusts any news to be real. I think the internet has made it worse in many ways  Stuff you would never hear about in local news didn't effect you and you went on about your business.

Now all the world's trouble are in your face and you get caught up in the cascade of endless doom






yes well while what you say is true.. you can go to endless doom


MY point is that here in the 3rd dimension we have choice
and
this may be the last opportunity to make one

just sayin







and thank you Phedre

This actually made me laugh  ;D

Taqiyya: The Muslim practice of lying in order to defeat non-Muslims.

Kitman: The Muslim practice of lying by omission in order to defeat non-Muslims.

Murana: The Muslim practice of pretending to be non-Muslim in order to defeat non-Muslims.

Obama: The Muslim practice of using all the above in order to defeat non-Muslims.

And the Truth shall set you free.

Please! Stop my brain from hurting!  ;D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJXjwzjucCU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJXjwzjucCU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJXjwzjucCU)

In the Spirit of Fairness:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNZczIgVXjg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNZczIgVXjg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNZczIgVXjg)

The story of the Tower of Babel seems to make a lot of sense these days,(the only thing, really),  something or someone turned the darn thing on!
Giberish is the language of the moment. Kind of a cross between  babel and Abbot and Costello's , "Who's on First" !

I do believe that we could give every man, woman and  child a single piece of paper, identical in every way, we would figure out a way to weaponize it, decide one piece of paper is better, more special, or someone wants ALL the paper! On and on it goes.It would appear to me the world is being run by a group of renagade 7 year old's. My brain hurts Too!  :o

Quote from: Phedre on February 23, 2015, 04:22:55 PM
The story of the Tower of Babel seems to make a lot of sense these days,(the only thing, really),  something or someone turned the darn thing on!
Giberish is the language of the moment. Kind of a cross between  babel and Abbot and Costello's , "Who's on First" !

I do believe that we could give every man, woman and  child a single piece of paper, identical in every way, we would figure out a way to weaponize it, decide one piece of paper is better, more special, or someone wants ALL the paper! On and on it goes.It would appear to me the world is being run by a group of renagade 7 year old's. My brain hurts Too!  :o

Maybe the reason they were crawling all over Iraq and looting archaeological sites during the Gulf War. Resurrecting the Tower of Babel! Yes, it all makes sense, Phedre.
Sometimes I ask myself, Are they really that stupid? Is it sarcasm? Is it a joke? Sadly, I feel you are right  :(

Barry, O Barry, lower your head in shame!

Obama at UN: "The future does not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6uZFSj_ueM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6uZFSj_ueM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6uZFSj_ueM)

The Earth does not strictly orbit the sun.  They both orbit a common centre of gravity like all similar systems.

Quote from: Pimander on February 24, 2015, 01:50:19 AM
The Earth does not strictly orbit the sun.  They both orbit a common centre of gravity like all similar systems.

True from an observational science (Supposedly) like the West.
In Islam, all science comes from the Mosque. Hence what was being conveyed in those videos:

"The question was - 'Does the Earth remain fixed in space?" The Imam answered, YES!, and then proceeded to explain that process.

Similiar thing happened when the Catholic Church ruled Europe (Converting it by the sword in a sea of blood - Charlemagne). The stranglehold of science by religion was in the Dark Ages. Exactly what the forefathers of the US fled from. They created a nation with a separation of Church and State. Sadly, that has now been eroded.

After you kick out Barry and Micheal in 2016, this is the woman I want you to inaugurate!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0w2ZS231BAQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0w2ZS231BAQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0w2ZS231BAQ)

The Islam problem would be over in no time!

Quote from: zorgon on February 22, 2015, 07:02:57 PM

So okay I stand corrected  it is not a Muslim practise per say
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_genital_mutilation

Wikipedia is edited exclusively by Liberal, P.C., Islamic Apologists, please use actual news sources.  ;D

QuoteNHS figures show 467 newly identified cases of girls and women needing treatment after female genital mutilation in England last month.

A further 1,279 people, who had already been identified, were receiving treatment according to the Health and Social Care Information Centre (HSCIC) data.

It is the first time the NHS has collected figures on the criminal act.

QuoteEstimates suggest that up to 170,000 women and girls living in the UK may have undergone FGM.

QuoteFemale genital mutilation

    Includes "the partial or total removal of the female external genitalia or other injury to the female genital organs for non-medical reasons"
    Practised in 29 countries in Africa and some countries in Asia and the Middle East
    An estimated 3 million girls and women worldwide are at risk each year
    About 125 million victims estimated to be living with the consequences
    It is commonly carried out on young girls, often between infancy and the age of 15
    Often motivated by beliefs about what is considered proper sexual behaviour, to prepare a girl or woman for adulthood and marriage and to ensure "pure femininity"
    Dangers include severe bleeding, problems urinating, infections, infertility and increased risk of newborn deaths in childbirth
    In December 2012, the UN General Assembly approved a resolution calling for all member states to ban the practice

Source: World Health Organization

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-29642997 (http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-29642997)

Of course the majority of cases in England are perpetrated by those of Islamic faith, which is probably why they think it's an Islamic practice. The major contributor is Africa - In predominately 'Radical Muslim' countries - by Boku Haram etc.
It is almost unheard of in Asian countries.

So Buddhism, Christianity or any other religion except Islam does not practice this barbaric act.

Quote from: starwarp2000 on February 24, 2015, 03:06:31 PM
Wikipedia is edited exclusively by Liberal, P.C., Islamic Apologists, please use actual news sources.  ;D

Probably because the other people don't even know they can.  :P

QuoteSo Buddhism, Christianity or any other religion except Islam does not practice this barbaric act.

Not from Wikipedia.  :P

QuoteIn Nigeria, of the six largest ethnic groups, the Yoruba, Hausa, Fulani, Ibo, Ijaw, and Kanuri, only the Fulani do not practice any form.[9]

FGM varies from country to country, tribes, religion, and from one state and cultural setting to another, and no continent in the world has been exempted.[3] In most parts of Nigeria, it is carried out at a very young age (minors) and there is no possibility of the individual's consent.[6] Type I and Type II are more widespread and less harmful compared to Type III and Type IV. In Nigeria, there is greater prevalence of Type I excision in the south, with extreme forms of FGM prevalent in the North. Practice of FGM has no relationship with religion. Muslims and Christians practice it, but it is more widely spread in Christian predominated parts of Nigeria.[2]

Source (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3507121/)

Quote from: zorgon on February 21, 2015, 08:22:56 PM
It is true that there is a lot of fake news They passed a law to allow news media to propagandise so it is legal

But you cannot tell me that it is all fake  The two rape cased in Dubai are well documented for example, And Pimander LIVES in Nottingham so that is a boots on the ground report.

I have friends in Paris Parisian French and Moroccan Muslim.  So I have first had knowledge of the situation from people who live there.

Denying that there is an Islamic problem is like sticking your head in the sand. Is it blown out of proportion? Maybe  but it is real,  So what do we do? Ignore it? Brush it aside?  Until it is too late and its in your area?

What really gets me is the rape aspect. These are supposed to be religious people but all they have on their mind is RAPE  The whole burkah issue is to cover the woman head to toe so they aren't tempted to RAPE

The speech made by the Saudi Historian is live  That is not fake He said that  Again it is about RAPE  how women in America don't mind being RAPED so its okay for them to drive but we can't have that here in Saudiland  WTF?   They still practice female genital mutilation in many of those Islamic nations so the women cannot feel any pleasure  These people are INSANE  The whole mindset is one of RAPE and making laws to protect the men that do it

I am old  I will likely be dead before it gets to Nevada but at the current rate if something isn't done our streets will not be safe. This is already coming to me from my friends in Paris who would love to be able to get out and come to the US  Pimander says the same


What IF :P you are the one that is blind to reality? What IF there really are 7 ft tall Afghani's and it is NOT fake? Like this fellow?   

(http://bigdonsboys.com/giant_giants/images/afghan_and_soldier.jpg)

What's it like on the ground in Morroco?

Quote from: Glaucon on March 02, 2015, 03:31:13 AM
What's it like on the ground in Morroco?

Seems relatively quiet in Morocco at the moment

They have female rap singers LOL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fbj5-pTQ7aw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fbj5-pTQ7aw

Lolz