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Obama has enough support for Iran deal :'(
President Barack Obama addresses American University's School of International Service in Washington, District of Columbia, U.S., on Wednesday, Aug. 5, 2015
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I can't believe how this made sense to anyone.
Stupid is as stupid does in this Iran "deal"/non-treaty - goes for the senate and congress too!!
But.............somehow much of this such-like has to happen, as precursor to the end-time as prophesied in my Christian book. For it to come out as planned, the United States cannot be the "Savior of Israel" against it's several enemy nations - It will be God and his Son that do it, and the whole World will know it was by the hand of God that Israel's enemies were destroyed! :)
WOW rdunk
knowing god did it as we are done in by an iran nuke will be real comforting..
yep real comfort there
WHY is everyone assuming IRAN will nuke someone? :P
Pakistan is far more radical and they have nuclear missiles and have not used them yet
And there is THIS
Saudi Arabia dismisses reports of 'buying' nukes from Pakistan(http://i1.tribune.com.pk/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/889318-pakistan_nuclear_missileAFPx-1432073853-284-640x480.jpg)
QuoteDays after a report surfaced which claimed Saudi Arabia wanted to buy nuclear weapons from Pakistan, a defense official of the Kingdom dismissed it as mere "speculation" on Tuesday, CNN reported.
The Sunday Times of London had published a report which claimed that Saudi Arabia had "taken the 'strategic decision' to acquire 'off-the-shelf' atomic weapons from Pakistan," citing unnamed American officials, in a bid to counter Iran after the recent nuclear deal it reached with the West.
A Saudi Defense Ministry official however said that such reports were not new. "I don't understand what the story is. This has been in the news for 18 years and will continue to be for the next 15 years."
"The ministry does not comment on rumors and speculation," the official added.
A US State Department official pointed out on Tuesday that Saudi Arabia was a signatory of the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty.
"It has committed never to acquire nuclear weapons, and to apply full international safeguards to all peaceful nuclear activities," the official said. "We attach great importance to Saudi Arabia's continued implementation of these commitments."
The Sunday Times had claimed that the Saudi move follows bankrolling much of the Pakistani nuclear program for three decades and amid concerns over a framework deal on Iran's nuclear program.
"We have consulted throughout the recent negotiations with our allies and partners around the world, including Saudi Arabia and the other Gulf countries, and will continue to do so as we move into the final weeks and months of these talks," the State Department official said Tuesday.
Besides the concern from some Arab nations that the agreement may instead allow Iran wriggle room to develop a working nuke, the deal has been met with fierce opposition from Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.
This article originally appeared on CNN
http://tribune.com.pk/story/889318/saudi-arabia-dismisses-reports-of-buying-nukes-from-pakistan/
Quote from: rdunk on September 02, 2015, 07:44:51 PM
as prophesied in my Christian book.
"book" ::)
QuoteFor it to come out as planned, the United States cannot be the "Savior of Israel" against it's several enemy nations - It will be God and his Son that do it, and the whole World will know it was by the hand of God that Israel's enemies were destroyed! :)
I seem to recall another case of nukes in your book :D That turning to salt and pillar of fire bit... oh and the nuking of Sodom and Gomorah
But if there really WAS a kind loving benevolent god... He would make all nukes none functional :P After all nukes would pollute HIS creation for 100,000 years :D
Well I guess by your book God created Uranium and Plutonium in the first place for us to find and play with :P
The thing about prophesy... when there is no specific date given, is that if you wait long enough SOMETHING will happen that you can point to and say "See? This was written...."
At least Caesar was given a specific date :P
Quote from: zorgon on September 02, 2015, 07:58:40 PM
WHY is everyone assuming IRAN will nuke someone? :P
Because most of those that call other people "sheeple" follow someone themselves and believe in almost everything they get from them. :P
In this case I suppose we have those that hate anything related to Obama, those that think that Iran is evil, those that are grabbing all opportunities to find a confirmation that their god(s) exist and those that, seeing that nothing bad resulted (so far) from Jade Helm need to find another boogie-man to keep people busy. :)
Quote from: ArMaP on September 02, 2015, 08:37:50 PM
Jade Helm
LOL! I forgot that was still going on, it's been so quiet.
My thoughts on the Iran deal revolve around the fact that the Imam's of Iran still call for wiping Israel from the map and lead crowds chanting "Death to America" - and we're making a deal with them? Who'd a thunk? I just doubt any honest intent on sticking to the deal on their part.
Quote from: space otter on September 02, 2015, 07:51:52 PM
WOW rdunk
knowing god did it as we are done in by an iran nuke will be real comforting..
yep real comfort there
Space Otter, maybe I didn't make me comment quite clear - God will intervene before Israel is destroyed by its enemy nations, and its enemies will be decimated by however God chooses to act. From a "natural thinking" standpoint, it is pure stupidity to make a way for someone/some country (like Iran) to get nukes, while they continually threaten to destroy or take over much of the western world, and to also annihilate Israel.
But, in reality, whether Iran gets nukes or doesn't will make no difference on the final outcomes. In the meantime, several countries stand prepared with nuke capability to do much destruction around the world, if they decide to do that, on a whim or for reason!!
Quote from: WarToad on September 02, 2015, 08:47:44 PM
My thoughts on the Iran deal revolve around the fact that the Imam's of Iran still call for wiping Israel from the map and lead crowds chanting "Death to America" - and we're making a deal with them?
I'm one of those people that think that actions speak louder than words, and looking at the actions Iran has taken against other countries makes me think this Iran is being "painted" as worse than it really is. :)
Well here's some more "stupid of the day" to digest:
QuotePetraeus: Use Al Qaeda Fighters to Beat ISIS
To take down the so-called Islamic State in Syria, the influential former head of the CIA wants to co-opt jihadists from America's arch foe.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/08/31/petraeus-use-al-qaeda-fighters-to-beat-isis.html (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/08/31/petraeus-use-al-qaeda-fighters-to-beat-isis.html)
most times I will just post something without MY OPINION but here I jumped in right away and now I will spew more of my opinion...only for clarity of my words not to argueQuoteIn this case I suppose we have those that hate anything related to Obama, those that think that Iran is evil, those that are grabbing all opportunities to find a confirmation that their god(s) exist and those that, seeing that nothing bad resulted (so far) from Jade Helm need to find another boogie-man to keep people busy. :)
QuoteWHY is everyone assuming IRAN will nuke someone? :P
QuoteSpace Otter, maybe I didn't make me comment quite clear - God will intervene before Israel is destroyed by its enemy nations, and its enemies will be decimated by however God chooses to act. From a "natural thinking" standpoint, it is pure stupidity to make a way for someone/some country (like Iran) to get nukes, while they continually threaten to destroy or take over much of the western world, and to also annihilate Israel.
ArMaP
I am not looking for another boogie man to keep people busy..I feel letting them go nuclear is a big fat mistake –keep reading
Zorgon
do I believe that iran will immediately start threatening to shoot nukes all over the place.
NO I do not
but with the volatile anger and hate in that area I feel it is only a matter of time before one of those nations gets pissed and threatens the other and that we will of course get drawn in..
if it was only a stand off situation then it would be a moot point..but when you have groups run by religion that feels the only way to get along is convert or kill... they will certainly rangle with each other and all of us infeldels ..it only takes on to start it
then the mess goes boom
to me that means we are doomed...personal opinion...not a fake scare the stupids like jade helm
now Rdunk, your comment was quite clear and while I do not disrespect it I totally disagree with the preaching of it..
I have to let you in on something here..god ( if we go with the unproven thought that he exists) has never had any of his words put into print B U T many men have felt they could be his mouthpiece and your book is just one of the results.
now if you are referring to Revelation or The Apocalypse written by a man calling himself JOHN.. then we have a different discussion
as to the thought of JOHN WHO....was it the pissed off guy who was exiled ?..was it all about his way of looking at the church that tossed him?
or was it just another PR piece to scare the rabble into following the church or else scenario?
yeah it's wiki The author names himself in the text as "John", but his precise identity remains a point of academic debate. Second century Christian writers such as Justin Martyr, Irenaeus, Melito the bishop of Sardis, and Clement of Alexandria and the author of the Muratorian fragment identify John the Apostle as the "John" of Revelation.[1] Modern scholarship generally takes a different view,[2] and many consider that nothing can be known about the author except that he was a Christian prophet.[3] Some modern scholars characterise Revelation's author as a putative figure which they call "John of Patmos". The bulk of traditional sources date the book to the reign of the emperor Domitian (AD 81-96), and the evidence tends to confirm this.[4]
Quote from: space otter on September 03, 2015, 12:36:31 AM
I am not looking for another boogie man to keep people busy..I feel letting them go nuclear is a big fat mistake –keep reading
You may not be looking for it, but it looks like it found you. ;)
And what do you mean by "letting them go nuclear"? The deal is not to allow them to build nuclear weapons.
Quotebut with the volatile anger and hate in that area I feel it is only a matter of time before one of those nations gets pissed and threatens the other and that we will of course get drawn in..
Ignoring that the deal is not about nuclear weapons, that's why I talked about the actions taken by Iran against other countries, as they never (since the revolution) attacked another country.
Quoteif it was only a stand off situation then it would be a moot point..but when you have groups run by religion that feels the only way to get along is convert or kill... they will certainly rangle with each other and all of us infeldels ..it only takes on to start it
then the mess goes boom
What groups are you talking about? Groups inside Iran? ???
I don't feel that I have found any boogie man.. again I feel this is not good.. if my sentence WE ARE DOOMED
was too emotional for ya.. just over look it
what I mean by letting them go nuclear was, I thought clear..sorry I will try to explain
no one believes that they will only use the nuclear energy for power.. I feel ( personal I) that it is only a matter of time before they claim to have a bomb or actually have one
other groups are division among the muslims and nations of that area and stupid americans stick their damn nose into everything so ooooooooo
ya got any more questions ArMaP?...I'm beginning to think you like to type ;)
Quote from: ArMaP on September 02, 2015, 10:09:21 PM
I'm one of those people that think that actions speak louder than words, and looking at the actions Iran has taken against other countries makes me think this Iran is being "painted" as worse than it really is. :)
I don't agree at all with that statement, although we all can think what we wish! The spoken word can broadcast much, and it needs to be taken at face value for what is said. Freedom of speech is a great thing, and one of the things it can do is "broadcast intent" - and spoken intent must needs to be taken seriously, with confrontation, peaceful or otherwise, as necessary to "eliminate either the "intent", or the "intentor"!
Iran has a well known history of military actions, including 52 American citizen hostages held for 444 days 1979 to 1981. And the US blew that situation too!!
The world is sorely afflicted by three nations who suffer from hateful delusions. First, the US because its leaders believe they are 'exceptional' and have a right to police the world as they see fit.
Second, Israel because their leaders seem to think their people are favored by God above all others.
Thirdly, Saudi Arabia because they fund jihadist nonsense across the globe and think they favored by God above all others.
The Iran peace deal will help the rise of Eurasia overcome these 3 obstacles to peace. And - by dethroning the western elite, Eurasia will prevent any false flag idiocy based on Aliens Invading. The way will then be open for Full Disclosure and possible release of Breakaway Civilization technology. Bring it on.
Quote from: ArMaP on September 03, 2015, 12:56:46 AM
And what do you mean by "letting them go nuclear"? The deal is not to allow them to build nuclear weapons.
True BUT...
Remember Fukushima? All that weapons grade plutonium that is a by product of nuclear fission?
Once you have weapons grade material on hand, you don't need a nuclear weapon just make dirty bombs in short range missile.
Yes sooner or later some fanatic somewhere will get his hands on some and use it... and it will likely be some America nut job like the Antrax guy or McVegh...
::)
Surely Iran must know that if they even dared Israel would erase them of the map
Quote from: rdunk on September 02, 2015, 09:03:54 PM
God will intervene before Israel is destroyed by its enemy nations, and its enemies will be decimated by however God chooses to act.
Well it would be an interesting test of your theory if Israel falls :D But I thought the religious leaders in Judaism were against the state of Israel... The Orthodox certainly are
QuoteFrom a "natural thinking" standpoint, it is pure stupidity to make a way for someone/some country (like Iran) to get nukes, while they continually threaten to destroy or take over much of the western world, and to also annihilate Israel.
Maybe but we are talking nuclear energy not ICBMs... You don't get to nuclear weapons over night and it is hard to hide those.
But what right does the US have to stop another nation from getting nuclear energy?
QuoteBut, in reality, whether Iran gets nukes or doesn't will make no difference on the final outcomes. In the meantime, several countries stand prepared with nuke capability to do much destruction around the world, if they decide to do that, on a whim or for reason!!
Yes Pakistan and North Korea come to mind :P
But North Korea launched two ICBMs to test them and both mysteriously explodes after launch
We won't mention space based weapons :P but notice where the target is? :P
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/46exuberant/04images/Laser_Power/552abd040333.jpg)
Zorgon said, "But what right does the US have to stop another nation from getting nuclear energy"?
IMO.......The US has same innate "right" that you and I have if someone says directly to us, "I am going to kill you", while he is aiming a gun at us as he says it!!! With that we have two choices, (1) Stand there and get shot, or (2) Shoot that "someone" first! With that someone, "disarmament negotiations" are over, when he has his gun pointed in our direction!
When the "someone" has no gun, doncha think it is a bit of stupid nonsense to give him a gun, if you know he is going to try and kill you with it?? :)
Quote from: WarToad on September 02, 2015, 07:23:18 PM
I can't believe how this made sense to anyone.
Gold.
Quote from: rdunk on September 02, 2015, 07:44:51 PM
Stupid is as stupid does in this Iran "deal"/non-treaty - goes for the senate and congress too!!
Gold.
If this goes forth I see how the phrophecies will be fullfilled.
Quote from: burntheships on September 03, 2015, 05:18:57 AM
If this goes forth I see how the phrophecies will be fullfilled.
Hi bts!! I am glad that you too see the significance of the several powers (nations) of the world together negotiating a "treaty" with Iran, that likely will seem to be very bad for Israel. And the prophecies you mentioned do declare about a happening like this, with the eventual result being the joining of several of these nations with Iran, to attack Israel - ie the final battle! :)
well the day that god saves isreal is the day of FULL and TOTAL disclosure imo
everyone would know then just what is what ..... the et folk, the religious folk, the non believers
I don't think I will be seeing it from this body..sigh :P
Quote from: space otter on September 03, 2015, 01:04:22 AM
what I mean by letting them go nuclear was, I thought clear..sorry I will try to explain
no one believes that they will only use the nuclear energy for power.. I feel ( personal I) that it is only a matter of time before they claim to have a bomb or actually have one
Even if eventually create nuclear weapons I don't see how they are worse than the other countries that already have them.
Quoteya got any more questions ArMaP?
Not at the moment. :)
Quote...I'm beginning to think you like to type ;)
I prefer reading, but when I read some things I have to type back. ;)
Quote from: space otter on September 03, 2015, 01:26:52 PM
well the day that god saves isreal is the day of FULL and TOTAL disclosure imo
everyone would know then just what is what ..... the et folk, the religious folk, the non believers
I don't think I will be seeing it from this body..sigh :P
UNLESS....
"God" really IS the ANNUNAKI of Sumeria and the ship is on the way
(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a303/Rteacher/anunnaki_ship.jpg)
Quote from: ArMaP on September 03, 2015, 07:05:09 PM
I prefer reading, but when I read some things I have to type back. ;)
The need to respond can have consequences :P
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsYT8YHL-R0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsYT8YHL-R0
Quote from: rdunk on September 03, 2015, 01:53:33 AM
I don't agree at all with that statement, although we all can think what we wish! The spoken word can broadcast much, and it needs to be taken at face value for what is said. Freedom of speech is a great thing, and one of the things it can do is "broadcast intent" - and spoken intent must needs to be taken seriously, with confrontation, peaceful or otherwise, as necessary to "eliminate either the "intent", or the "intentor"!
Ah, intent. Considering how people misunderstand each other every day, I still prefer to react to actions instead of supposed intentions.
QuoteIran has a well known history of military actions, including 52 American citizen hostages held for 444 days 1979 to 1981.
Which of those military actions were started by Iran? The hostage taking was a civilian action.
Quote from: zorgon on September 03, 2015, 03:15:45 AM
Remember Fukushima? All that weapons grade plutonium that is a by product of nuclear fission?
The plutonium from common nuclear power plants is not "weapons grade", as it's not as stable as it should.
QuoteOnce you have weapons grade material on hand, you don't need a nuclear weapon just make dirty bombs in short range missile.
I don't think you even need weapons grade material for a dirty bomb, as it doesn't need to reach a chain reaction, any radioactive material is enough.
Quote from: zorgon on September 03, 2015, 07:41:47 PM
The need to respond can have consequences :P
All things can have consequences, although it looks like many people forget about that. ;)
Quote from: ArMaP on September 03, 2015, 09:10:42 PM
I don't think you even need weapons grade material for a dirty bomb, as it doesn't need to reach a chain reaction, any radioactive material is enough.
Right. And surely Iran already has this, at least this.
You are aware though, that Iran supports and funds Hamas,
and Hezzbollah. Giving money to Iran is giving money to
terrorists.
Quote from: burntheships on September 03, 2015, 09:22:24 PM
You are aware though, that Iran supports and funds Hamas, and Hezzbollah.
Yes.
QuoteGiving money to Iran is giving money to terrorists.
Who is giving money to Iran? ???
Quote from: ArMaP on September 03, 2015, 09:38:50 PM
Who is giving money to Iran? ???
The Iran Deal ...
Granted, at this time it is sanctions relief.
Lifting Sanctions Will Release $100 Billion To Iran. Then What?
ArMaP asked, "Who is giving money to Iran? ???
$100 billion: That's roughly how much the U.S. Treasury Department says Iran stands to recover once sanctions are lifted under the new nuclear deal. The money comes from Iranian oil sales and has been piling up in some international banks over the past few years. But there are questions about what Iran will do with this windfall.
Oil is one of Iran's most valuable commodities. And, sanctions or no sanctions, Iran found buyers over the past few years. Month after month, millions of dollars of oil revenues were added to its ledgers. But Iran hasn't been able to get its hands on that cash. It's frozen in overseas banks.
"The money is sitting in China, India, Japan, South Korea, Turkey, maybe a little bit in Taiwan," says Mark Dubowitz, the executive director of the Foundation for Defense of Democracies. "Those countries were buyers of Iranian oil."
Dubowitz, a sanctions specialist who is critical of the deal, says Iran hasn't been able to access the roughly $100 billion sitting in those banks because of sanctions imposed by the U.S. in 2012.
More: http://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2015/07/16/423562391/lifting-sanctions-will-release-100-billion-to-iran-then-what
Quote from: rdunk on September 03, 2015, 06:37:41 AM
I am glad that you too see the significance of the several powers (nations) of the world together negotiating a "treaty" with Iran, that likely will seem to be very bad for Israel.
Rdunk,
Yes, bad for Israel, and not good for the rest of the world either.
But, these are the times we live in.
Seems the whole world is going mostly backwards.
Quote from: rdunk on September 03, 2015, 10:28:08 PM
Lifting Sanctions Will Release $100 Billion To Iran. Then What?
It's their money.
Quote from: burntheships on September 03, 2015, 10:50:53 PM
Seems the whole world is going mostly backwards.
Just curious, what would you consider "going forward"?
Quote from: ArMaP on September 03, 2015, 10:54:06 PM
It's their money.
It
was thier money.
Then it was frozen, as sanctioned.
Where it should remail until Iran stops funding terrorists.
Opinion only of course.
Quote from: burntheships on September 03, 2015, 10:56:51 PM
It was thier money.
Then it was frozen, as sanctioned.
Where it should remail until Iran stops funding terrorists.
Frozen not because Iran funds terrorists, frozen because they were supposedly trying to make atomic weapons.
Quote from: ArMaP on September 03, 2015, 11:00:07 PM
Frozen not because Iran funds terrorists, frozen because they were supposedly trying to make atomic weapons.
Actually, when the sanctions began under Bill Clinton,
they were in part due to Irans support of Hamas, Hezbollah,
and Palestine Jihadists.
ETA:
Iran and Libya Sanctions Act of 1996
http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/STATUTE-110/pdf/STATUTE-110-Pg1541.pdf
See Section 2, Items 3&4.
Quote from: burntheships on September 03, 2015, 11:09:54 PM
Actually, when the sanctions began under Bill Clinton,
they were in part due to Irans support of Hamas, Hezbollah,
and Palestine Jihadists.
Not the money spoken about on the text I was commenting, that's from the 2012 sanctions.
Quote from: ArMaP on September 03, 2015, 11:36:13 PM
Not the money spoken about on the text I was commenting, that's from the 2012 sanctions.
I think ( I would need to research it though ) it is all the same
money, just tied up for a long time in the Central Bank.
There is so much nonsense in the world - and almost nobody sees why.
Israel is a nasty apartheid state. If they were forced into 'one man, one vote', the whole problem would go away - no different from the Jim Crow South or Afrikaner South Africa. And as for Iran's "terrorism", they are fighting Israel, not Jews. There are thousands of Jews who live in Iran and don't want to emigrate - which drives the Zionists crazy!
Iran's leaders admitted publicly that if the Palestinians made a deal with Israel, it would be OK with them.
I'm quite happy with recent developments - and I'm somewhat surprised that more of you who post on this site don't "catch on" to the possibility of a weakened, neutralized future USA getting out of the way so that ET/Highly Advanced Tech can be brought forward for the benefit of humanity. Eurasia is our best hope IMHO.
If we're doomed for sure, I better start cranking on all those care plans that I still have to QA. I wanted to get some hours in the office while my shoulder heals. I got more than I bargained for. More computer access, more work, more headaches. At least we won't be fighting foreclosure this year. And I won't be filing a complaint with the department of labor to get my job back.
Shasta
Quote from: Eighthman on September 04, 2015, 01:16:43 AM
There is so much nonsense in the world - and almost nobody sees why.
Israel is a nasty apartheid state. If they were forced into 'one man, one vote', the whole problem would go away - no different from the Jim Crow South or Afrikaner South Africa. And as for Iran's "terrorism", they are fighting Israel, not Jews. There are thousands of Jews who live in Iran and don't want to emigrate - which drives the Zionists crazy!
Iran's leaders admitted publicly that if the Palestinians made a deal with Israel, it would be OK with them.
I'm quite happy with recent developments - and I'm somewhat surprised that more of you who post on this site don't "catch on" to the possibility of a weakened, neutralized future USA getting out of the way so that ET/Highly Advanced Tech can be brought forward for the benefit of humanity. Eurasia is our best hope IMHO.
Eigthman, have you ever been to Israel? Are you speaking about Israel from personal experience, or simply from hearsay? Have you by chance, ever looked at the much "Highly Advanced Tech" of all kinds that Israel has developed/is developing for the benefit of humanity??
IMO, you are way off base with your comments about Israel! Sure, Israel is a country primarily populated by Jews (75% 2014). Israel is a very old name of a country, but the Israel of today was only re-established in 1948, so it is a very young country, with Jews spread all over the world making their way back to their homeland since then. Israel is also a very small country. and the total population at the end of 2014 was only about 8.3 million. The primary language is Hebrew, and they are very nationalistic, and are very patriotic to their country.
Also, you are pretty "off-base" with your comment about Iranian Jews - not totally wrong, but the truth is quite different in reality. When Israel became a country in 1948, there were about 150,000 Jews living in Iran. The current population of Jews still living in Iran is 8,756, according to the most recent Iranian census. So, since 1948, about 94% of the Jews in Iran have left Iran. Yes, "a very few thousand Jews" still live in Iran, but it is a little hard to see a point that makes it appear that large numbers of Jews just do not want to leave Iran, with 94% having already left!!
Yes, I was in Israel quite a few years ago on a business trip, and while I was there I did get to see the Jewish people do what friends and families do during their daily work and casual lives. They are very family oriented, as they eat together, and as they play together. They work hard, and they do strive for nationalistic achievement. The Jewish sabbath extends from Friday evening to Saturday evening, and many business were closed during that time. They area highly advanced country, from a technical standpoint, with many achievements in most all areas.
Apartheid? Could be some, as most of the non-Jews are Arabs. The laws are supposedly the same for all, but......doncha think those two are a little like oil and water - just not a good way to mix them together and achieve anything that is better than the separate parts - drastically different religions, and drastically different basic style of life!!
Just FYI, here is some history information relative to Jews in Iran, from Wiki":
Islamic Republic (since 1979)[edit]
At the time of the establishment of the State of Israel in 1948, there were approximately 140,000–150,000 Jews living in Iran, the historical center of Persian Jewry. About 95% have since migrated, with the immigration accelerating after the 1979 Islamic Revolution, when the population dropped from 100,000 to about 40,000.[63] Following the Iranian Revolution, some 30,000 Iranian Jews immigrated to Israel, while many others went to the United States and Western Europe.
On March 16, 1979, Habib Elghanian, the honorary leader of the Jewish community, was arrested on charges of "corruption", "contacts with Israel and Zionism", "friendship with the enemies of God", "warring with God and his emissaries", and "economic imperialism". He was tried by an Islamic Revolutionary Tribunal, sentenced to death, and executed on May 8,[56][64] one of 17 Iranian Jews executed as spies since the revolution.[65]
Estimates of the Jewish population in Iran until the census 2011 vary. In mid- and late 1980s, it was estimated at 20,000–30,000, rising to around 35,000 in the mid-1990s.[66] The current Jewish population of Iran is 8,756 according to the most recent Iranian census.[67][68]
The condition of Jews in Iran is difficult to assess objectively. The Islamic Republic uses factions within the Iranian Jewish community to win public relations points with the Western world, but privately many Jews complain to foreign reporters of discrimination. Foreign reporters are asked by the Iranian Jewish community to self-censor their own reports for fear of repercussions on the community.[69] The Islamic government appoints the officials who run Jewish schools, most of these being Muslims and requires that those schools must open on Saturdays, the Jewish Sabbath. Criticism of this policy was the downfall of the last remaining newspaper of the Iranian Jewish community which was closed in 1991 after it criticized government control of Jewish schools. Instead of expelling Jews en masse like in Libya, Iraq, Egypt, and Yemen, the Iranians have adopted a policy of keeping Jews in Iran.[70] The strong public anti-Israel position of the Iranian Jews might be related to their desire for survival and led to their overselling of their anti-Israel positions. Their response to the questions regarding Israel have been outright denial of Israel or staying quiet. An example of the dilemma of Iranian Jews can be observed in this example :"We hear the ayatollah say that Israel was cooperating with the Shah and SAVAK, and we would be fools to say we support Israel. So we just keep quiet about it... Maybe it will work out. Anyway, what can we do? This is our home."[71]
More: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Iran
Blah, blah, blah. Yes, black and white people are like oil and water - they just won't mix. It just won't work, they're savages............ we've heard all this before. It's the politics of hate and apartheid. And even many Jews in the US are admitting it. If the rest of the world allows this nationalistic racism, have we learned anything from the Holocaust? Has Israel?
Iran's former Prime Minister went to great lengths to physically embrace Orthodox Jews both in Iran and the US in public venues. If you were a Jew or a an openly practising Christian or a woman, which would be better? To live in Saudi Arabia or Iran? It's UTTERLY AMAZING! The Saudis helped do 9/11 (the 28 pages Obama won't declassify) and they spread jihadism throughout the world. Meanwhile, Pakistan is loaded with nuclear missiles, as well as Israel.
And Iran is the problem? Really? Did you know that Iran is a world leader in sex change operations and allows transgender people by law? Iran is EVOLVING - unlike much of the Muslim world. Leave it alone ! Isn't it obvious by now that military interventions by the US invariably create greater problems?
Any high tech Israel comes up with (mostly military?) is small potatoes compared to the emancipation of humanity possible if the US can be pushed out of the way and suppressed tech revealed. Isn't the existence of such tech a MAJOR point of this website? Did Ben Rich testify that it would take an 'act of God' to bust it loose? Hello?
very sadly this thread proves a point.. religion messes it all up..
some like rdunk can't stop preaching and some like zorgon can't stop poking at it
some like me just have to insert an opinion..
now if we drop all talk of religion maybe we can start something here by just being humans trying to get along..then again..maybe I'm dreaming that forums don't go in this direction ...sigh
anyway here's another voice the last remark is telling imohttp://triblive.com/usworld/world/9030594-74/deal-iran-parliament#axzz3kmJDFNMt
Wire Reports
Thursday, Sept. 3, 2015, 6:30 p.m.
Updated 12 hours ago
Ayatollah: Iran won't settle for 'suspension'
TEHRAN — Iran's supreme leader said Thursday "there will be no deal" if world powers insist on suspending rather than lifting sanctions as part of a landmark nuclear agreement, and said it is up to Iran's parliament, and not him, to approve or reject it.
His remarks, read aloud by a state TV anchorman, mark the first official comment on the deal since President Obama secured enough support to prevent the Republican-led Congress from blocking it.
Ayatollah Ali Khamenei has yet to express a clear opinion on the deal clinched in July, which would curb Iran's nuclear activities in exchange for relief from crippling sanctions.
Khamenei said some American officials have spoken of the "suspension" of sanctions, which he said is unacceptable.
"If the sanctions are going to be suspended, then we will also fulfil our obligations on the ground at the level of suspension and not in a fundamental way," he said.
In response, White House press secretary Josh Earnest reiterated the Obama administration's stance that it would focus on Tehran's actions and not its words.
Washington has been "crystal clear about the fact that Iran will have to take a variety of serious steps to significantly roll back their nuclear program before any sanction relief is offered," he said.
Iran's supreme leader traditionally has had the final say on all important matters, but Khamenei said lawmakers should decide on the deal.
"It is the representatives of the people who should decide. I have no advice regarding the method of review, approval or rejection," he said.
President Hassan Rouhani is opposed to letting parliament vote on the deal, which he insists is an understanding with world powers and not a treaty. Last week, he warned that if parliament votes on the deal, its provisions would be legally binding.
A special parliamentary committee has begun studying the deal, but it's unclear how far the process will go since the government has not prepared a formal bill. It's also unclear how much support the deal has in parliament.
"I think maybe the drama in my country may be bigger than that of (the United States')," Iran parliament Speaker Ali Larijani said.
wow how about that :P"I think maybe the drama in my country may be bigger than that of (the United States')," Iran parliament Speaker Ali Larijani said.
Quote from: Eighthman on September 04, 2015, 01:35:16 PM
Isn't the existence of such tech a MAJOR point of this website?
Used to be :P
QuoteDid Ben Rich testify that it would take an 'act of God' to bust it loose? Hello?
If it WAS busted loose, most people in the world would discover if their god is real or not in an instant :P
Quote from: space otter on September 04, 2015, 03:06:14 PM
very sadly this thread proves a point.. religion messes it all up..
some like rdunk can't stop preaching and some like zorgon can't stop poking at it
some like me just have to insert an opinion..
It's what Hu-mons do :P
Quotenow if we drop all talk of religion maybe we can start something here by just being humans trying to get along..then again..maybe I'm dreaming that forums don't go in this direction
That was the original intent... but we have seen how far that got several times :P
As for Iran, under the Shaw (yes okay he was not a nice guy :P ) women were going to universities, clothing was more like Western styles and they were becoming moderate
Then along came the Ayatollah and messed everything up
I get into big arguments with my brother in law about his view of Muslims. It is my contention that even fanatical religions can change thru deconstructionism and interpretations that - to outsiders - seem crazy, relative to their sacred texts.
So, in Iran being gay can get you arrested and killed - but converting gender surgically can be allowed. The Talliban will kill you for selling alcohol but may accept raisin brandy as 'medicine'. Homosexual relationships and male pedophilia is strangely dominant in much of Afghan culture and they come up with loony reasons why they think Islam allows this. British troops were shocked by this.
I think Iran will evolve into a secular, maybe even anti clerical nation - if we leave them alone. They are changing while much of the Mid-East isn't. Let their young people skip prayers, hide sat dishes, and pretend to be obedient.
I don't think these two Kings will leave them alone
Obama reassures Saudi Arabia over Iran(http://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/98d1cc68685687b21ca79e52d9ebc2244bcb8394/c=75-0-3425-2519&r=x404&c=534x401/local/-/media/2015/09/04/USATODAY/USATODAY/635769665229041348-AFP-543886288-75603934.JPG)
QuoteWASHINGTON — President Obama sought Friday to re-assure the king of Saudi Arabia that the United States will help counter Iranian aggression in the Middle East, as the Saudis expressed public support for the contentious Iranian nuclear agreement
During a meeting at the White House, Obama and King Salman bin Abd al Aziz "affirmed the need to continue efforts to maintain security, prosperity and stability in the region and in particular to counter Iran's destabilizing activities," said a joint U.S.-Saudi statement.
For his part, King Salman "expressed his support" for the agreement that is designed to "prevent Iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon and thereby enhance security in the region," the statement said.
The meeting came as the Obama administration lines up support for the agreement in which the United States and its allies end economic sanctions on Iran as it gives up the means to make nuclear weapons. Saudi Arabia and some of its neighbors have been skeptical that Iran will live up to its end of the bargain, and say that Iran will use the non-sanctioned flow of money to finance terrorism in other countries, such as Yemen and Syria.
"This is obviously a challenging time in world affairs, particularly in the Middle East," Obama told reporters prior to his meeting with King Salman.
In addition to Iran, Obama and the king also discussed ongoing conflicts in Yemen and Syria, the battle against the Islamic State, the Israeli-Palestinian dispute, the global economy, and climate change and clean energy production, the statement said.
Another topic: "On-going military cooperation" between the United States and Saudi Arabia, the statement said, including "fast-tracking the provision of certain military equipment to the Kingdom, as well as heightened cooperation on counter-terrorism, maritime security, cybersecurity, and ballistic missile defense."
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2015/09/04/obama-king-salman-bin-abd-al-aziz-saudi-arabia-iran-nuclear-deal/71697468/
Arm the Saudies with ballistic missiles Good idea :P
Quote from: zorgon on September 05, 2015, 12:46:05 AM
Then along came the Ayatollah and messed everything up
Not everything, women still go to the university, and Iran has been the second country with the highest percentage of women in engineering courses for some years (with Liechtenstein being the first).