Immaculate Deception

[Irene]

He was definitely on to something at one point in my opinion.
Yes I know because he's on mine too.   
Well he did say he wanted the privacy of the owner to be respected...  But if he wanted that then why do we know he visited the ranch? Publicity?

One word ~ EGO.

[Sgt.Rocknroll]

Trap being set or misdirection. Give enough bait until the hook is set.

[Irene]

By the way  just so everyone is clear..

I trust ArMaP 100% to not being a spy for us or for them. He has full access to the Pegasus Server and has worked hard to keep us running

Just in case anyone was thinking 'conflict of interest' here

That's for any 'lurkers' that are reading this thread too

+1 here. 

Any problems and I just assume he put too much piri piri on something.

[Pimander]

Trap being set or misdirection. Give enough bait until the hook is set.

You could well be right.

[zorgon]

Well he did say he wanted the privacy of the owner to be respected...  But if he wanted that then why do we know he visited the ranch?  Publicity? 

Springer was always the only owner I really liked over there, but he likes to plasy games

When John Lear was the poster boy at ATS  Springer would also post on Reality Uncovered, the place where all the banned evil skeptics hung out  LOL I still have some saved post of Springer at that forum

Like THIS ONE

[ArMaP]

EVERYONE in UFOlogy knows that Robert Bigelow owns that ranch... What Springer is wanting to hide (at least for now) is HIS involvement (and perhaps ATS's) in that deal... The Gut said as much... that Springer went out to the Ranch with George Knapp and Jeremy 4 Names...

The GUT said that because Springer said it, as you can see here.

[ArMaP]

Well he did say he wanted the privacy of the owner to be respected...  But if he wanted that then why do we know he visited the ranch?  Publicity? 

Knowing that he visited the ranch doesn't tell us who owns it.

[Pimander]

Knowing that he visited the ranch doesn't tell us who owns it.

What I mean is that who visits the ranch is private unless somebody makes that information public - which Springer did.

If a person visits my property and publicises the event then it is no longer a private matter.

[ArMaP]

What I mean is that who visits the ranch is private unless somebody makes that information public - which Springer did.

That doesn't tell anyone who owns the property, and that was the topic.

[ArMaP]

That doesn't tell anyone who owns the property, and that was the topic.

If a person visits my property and publicises the event then it is no longer a private matter.

The fact that that person visited your property is not private, who owns your property is still a private matter, as it wasn't publicized by anyone.

[zorgon]

who owns your property is still a private matter, as it wasn't publicized by anyone.

No it is NOT  Property ownership is a matter of PUBLIC record in the USA  Anyone can go to the local assessors office for the county they are interested in and online look up who is the current owner, did he pay his property tax, how much they paid for it and ALL the past owners

The service is FREE and open to the public  Always has been

Example"  John Lear's address is easy to find on the web, it's posted everywhere LOL Every real estate agent has that address listed   1414 N Hollywood Blvd, Las Vegas, NV 89110

So use that address at the Clark County Assessors Office Website and you get all the records back to when the house was built, current owner taxes house value and aerial photos

http://www.clarkcountynv.gov/assessor/Pages/PropertyRecords.aspx?H=redrock&P=assrrealprop/site.aspx


You can search by parcel number faster if you don't have name or address. If you don't have that you can use the satellite map and find the house and it will give you parcel number. THIS is Bigelow Aerospace's house on Eastern   A simple google search for Bigelow Aerospace Corporate Office gives you;

Address: 4640 S Eastern Ave, Las Vegas, NV 89119
Phone: (702) 456-1606

The link below is the map showing the property and the parcel number.  A record search shows Bigelow Nevada LLC as original owner, but currently it is under Charleston Apartments LLC, one of his wife's companies. Don't forget the Bigelows made it rich in renting weekly apartments

http://gisgate.co.clark.nv.us/ow/?@793573,26740137,9

You need to find out who owns a business? That is also public record...  either single proprietor partnership or corporation. Every business in all the counties must first file with the state

Here is the State of Nevada Business search
https://nvsos.gov/sosentitysearch/

There IS NO PRIVACY in property or business ownership. Springer is delusional about that

The best you can do is have a company you own buy another company or property so it takes longer to search

[zorgon]

Seems it is the same in Portugal

Portugal Public Records
http://publicrecords.searchsystems.net/Other_Nations/Europe_Free_Public_Records/Portugal_Public_Records/

Property Records
Search the Portugal Government Predial Online service for land registration property records, deeds, mortgages, liens, and building information.
http://www.predialonline.pt/PredialOnline/

[ArMaP]

No it is NOT  Property ownership is a matter of PUBLIC record in the USA

I didn't mean that it was secret or something like that, look at the context of my posts.

What I meant was that the fact that one person visits another person's property doesn't make it public who owns the property.

And yes, it's the same in Portugal, but you have to pay for it, and to ask it online you need to use a Citizen's Card.

[Pimander]

What I meant was that the fact that one person visits another person's property doesn't make it public who owns the property.

I agree with that.

I was suggesting that Mark/Springer was not respecting privacy by going public about his visit.  It is called hypocrisy.

On the matter of Springer being mischievous and still communicating with banned  ATS  members (including me), to be honest if it was just his decision then not all of us would still be banned.  Some of it is to keep certain admins at ATS happy.  He knows full well that some of the bans were unfair. 

None of us like abusive posting but many of us were treated differently to other members there because of who we are not what we supposedly did wrong.

[Pimander]

and Hal Puthoff has been my Nemesis since I started this LOL

Dr. Puthoff Wins Dinsdale Award

TTS Academy's co-founder and VP of Science and Technology, Dr. Hal Puthoff, has been chosen to receive the 2018 Dinsdale Award of the Society for Scientific Exploration.

The Society has presented the Dinsdale Award every two years since 1992 for significant contributions to the expansion of human understanding through the study of unexplained phenomena.