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Started by micjer, February 26, 2022, 04:30:31 PM

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micjer



Probably want them to destroy evidence of what they were doing also
The only people in the world, it seems, who believe in conspiracy theory, are those of us that have studied it.    Pat Shannon


astr0144

#77
US & its Secret Biological Weapons Labs & Neocons.

QuoteThere are Biolabs in Ukraine funded by the US. There was never any real question if they existed or not. The rumor two days after the Russian invasion began, the claim was that Russia was targeting them for destruction. I wrote on February 26, 2022, that such a rumor was false and I pointed out that Russia would never target those labs for destruction. Instead, they would prefer to capture them to illustrate that people like Undersecretary of State for Political Affairs Victoria Nuland, a notorious Neocon, who just wants war has for decades played the Neocon agenda of offensive war against everyone other than the United States – yes even Europe.

Victoria Nuland is a strategic player in government for the Neocons who have led US foreign policy from one disaster to another for the past 30 years while avoiding accountability. Nobody really understands that these people are directing the country without Congressional knowledge or the approval of the people.



They pretend America always wears the white hat when in fact their objectives are offensive and not defensive. They lie awake at night dreaming how they can destroy Russia and China for they wallow in hatred and never accepted that communism actually fell for they demonized Chinese and Russians where politics became irrelevant. The Neocons sabotage any effort whatsoever to further world peace. It was shocking that President Joe Biden has nominated Victoria Nuland for the third-highest position at the State Department, Under Secretary for Political Affairs with her history of manipulating the endless policy of war that the American people are against.

Yes, I know Bill Kristol and he even spoke at our WEC I believe back in 1996. Once upon a time, we were friends until I came to see his true colors. Bill has become a hard-core Neocon and his book on Iraq provided the blueprint for the overthrow of Saddam. Bill Tweeted that Russia would stage a filmed invasion to justify invading Ukraine. That was total nonsense and the Neocons will NEVER admit to the dark history of supporting Ukrainian Nazis or the false flag of shooting down the Malaysian passenger flight and blaming Russia to try to support WWIII. Neocons are notorious for making up BS that can be anything to support war as they did about the Weapons of Mass Destruction in Iraq that never existed.

Bill Kristol was against Trump because Trump was against the Neocon agenda of endless war. People have to know that there is a sub-element inside the US government that is NOT elected and always pushing their own hateful agenda regardless if it is Republican or Democrat. They are a unique force all their own and people fall for their manipulation techniques to demonize their enemy to cover up their own hatred and covert agenda. Speak against them and they will paint you as a traitor, yet nobody even gets to votes on their agenda.

Back then, US Senator Rand Paul urged President Trump not to choose neoconservative Elliott Abrams to serve in the No. 2 spot at the US State Department. In an op-ed published in the libertarian website Rand Paul argued:

"Elliott Abrams is a neoconservative too long in the tooth to change his spots, and the president should have no reason to trust that he would carry out a Trump agenda rather than a neocon agenda."

From 2003 to 2005 Victoria Nuland was THE principal foreign policy advisor to VP  Dick Cheney who in fact helped to both plan and manage the war to overthrow Saddam Hussein. Nuland was advising and assisting the Bush administration's case for a preemptive military strike against Iraq for what they alleged were weapons of mass destruction. She argued that removing Saddam Hussein and installing a US "ally" would be simple and secure the Middle East – WRONG!. Nuland was also for the occupation of both Iraq and Afghanistan. Both were to be a strategic acquisition for her neocon agenda.

During the spring of 2011, Victoria Nuland became State Department spokesperson under Hillary Clinton. It was Nuland who pushed for "regime change" to also overthrow Moammar Ghaddafi of Libya. UN Security Council resolution 1973 authorized a "No Fly Zone" for the protection of civilians so she claimed. Then Nuland turned to try to do the same in Syria. Instead of looking at how dangerous Nuland was becoming to world peace, the Clintons retained Nuland for she argued to overthrow Ghaddafi who they always paint as the devil just as she did with Saddam.  Demonizing these heads of state, Nuland turned the same strategy on Assad of Syria. She has always demonized her opponent to justify sending in arms to insurgents seeking to overthrow this time the Syrian government. In January 2012, Nuland claimed that the US is "on the side of those wanting peaceful change in Syria." She has lied to the people every time to support her neocon agenda that people of the United States are never allowed to vote on. While professing she wanted a peaceful overthrow of the regime, she was supplying weapons for the violent overthrow. This was confirmed in secret DOD documents which state:

"During the immediate aftermath of, and following the uncertainty caused by, the downfall of the [Qaddafi] regime in October 2011 and up until early September of 2012, weapons from the former Libya military stockpiles located in Benghazi, Libya were shipped from the port of Benghazi, Libya to the ports of Banias and the Port of Borj Islam, Syria."

This brings us to Ukraine and the Biolabs. In September 2013 Victoria Nuland was appointed Assistant Secretary of State for European and Eurasian Affairs. While the people were rising up against Yanukovich on their own, she and Senator John McCain, another Neocon, passed out food and McCain made a speech to the crowd saying that the US stands behind them. Nuland worked hard to push for the overthrow of Yanukovich and I can confirm that the people were being told to accept the replacement government selected with the approval of Nuland or they would lose the support of the West. It was in early February 2014 when an audio recording of Nuland talking to the US Ambassador to Ukraine, Geoffrey Pyatt, was leaked to the public. The conversation showed the world just how ruthless Nuland truly is for she then said "frig the EU." It is always her neocon agenda which neither Congress nor the people are ever informed even exists.

While John McCain may be dead, the other hardcore Neocon in politics is Lindsey Graham who is also on that agenda. McCain and Graham were actually addressing the Ukrainian Nazis troops against Russia. They promised them support and the Neocons were in fact always supporting their internal civil war against the Russian-speaking Ukrainians in Donetsk and Luhansk. They pushed for sanctions against Russia for Crimea.


Lindsey Graham has called for a Russian to assassinate Putin which is insane. Facebook suddenly suspends its rules against violence as long as it is directed at hating Russians. Of course, Zuckerberg is a Young Global Leader of Schwab calling into question the integrity of the World Economic Forum. However, assassinating Putin and Russia will respond with someone far more nationalistic. Is Graham also just trying to start World War III? But this is the crisis we have with these Neocons who have dug in deep into the bowls of Washington. They are just hateful people that do not reflect the American people.

So when Biden then promoted Nuland, it has been VERY disturbing for what she does is always hidden from the truth and I would not put it past her for one minute to stage a Biological Attack in Ukraine and blame Russia. Anything to start WWIII. I have long suspected that she may have been behind the Ukrainian firing of an old Russian missile that shot down the Malaysia flight for which the US immediately blamed Russia and imposed sanctions when in fact Russia no longer used those missiles and the plane was shot down in Ukraine, not Russia. This idea of killing Americans any used that to justify invading Cuba by the Neocons back in the 1960s was rejected by President Kennedy and they probably killed him for it.

The Neocons hated Trump because he would not carry out that agenda. Just Google and you will see the hatred Bill Kristol had for Trump and it was all about his refusal to follow their agenda. Why did Obama follow the Neocons as is Biden? The rumor is they are afraid of Neocons for they most likely removed Kennedy from office. They did a good job of stabbing Trump in the back as well. They were afraid if they killed him, his picture would be on a new $1 coin.

The US has Biolabs, 130 according to sources, and has REFUSED to allow international inspections. This is NOT the type of government we voted for regardless of whether you are Democrat or Republican. Nuland has worked there clandestinely through all administrations and the tactic is always the same – demonize your opponent to justify war even when the facts are total bullshit – i.e. Weapons of Mass Destruction that never existed, just move on. They will always claim that their opponent will accuse them of what they themselves are doing. Their motto – always deny.

The famous Colan Powell speech to justify the war against Iraq at the United Nations was a defining moment on the credibility of the Neocon agenda that nobody ever seems to expose. Colan Powell explains how the Neocons use the mantle of patriotism to hide their objectives by waving that flag to get people to trust them in their leadership which they know is essential to waging their endless wars.

https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/world-news/corruption/us-its-secret-biological-weapons-labs-neocons/


Trump Warned NATO of Europe's Reliance on Russian Energy.


QuoteEveryone criticized Trump for condemning his NATO allies in 2018. At the time, only five nations were meeting their 2% GDP spending requirement on NATO defense, with the US paying around 5%. Trump suggested that everyone contribute 4% to build a stronger alliance. He never wanted to back away from NATO to support Putin, rather, he wanted to back away from NATO because he felt the US had been taken advantage of by its European allies.

Trump called Ukraine the wall between Russia and Europe and stated that America had become the "sucker country" by shelling out millions to Ukraine when they received far less in return. He warned Europe that their reliance on Russian imported energy would spell disaster and went as far as declaring that Germany was "totally controlled by Russia." Instead of looking for energy alternatives, Germany went through with the Nord Stream 2 Pipeline and wasted billions as sanctions were implemented before the pipeline was fully functional.

Western world leaders failed us by using Russia as the easy solution for energy while simultaneously failing to have any diplomatic relationships with the country. The energy crisis was preventable.

https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/markets-by-sector/energy/trump-warned-nato-on-europes-reliance-
on-russian-energy/

Ukraine the Real Story

QuoteCOMMENT: Former national security adviser John Bolton that he believes Russian President Vladimir Putin was "waiting" for a possible United States withdrawal from NATO, claiming former President Donald Trump would have likely made such a move had he been reelected, The Hill reports.
I also see that Steve Bannon is going after Hannity for jumping off the Putin wagon and also Pence letting the orange turd know he is also. They eat their own in the republican party...
CN

REPLY: Bolton was a plant in the Trump Administration. The Deep State selected Trump's cabinet. I am not speculating. I myself was asked to take the position of Chief Economic Adviser during the Bush Jr. Administration and declined. Bolton is a warmonger. He came out against Trump because he wanted to exit Afghanistan. I went to Mar-a-Lago for a private dinner and I was shocked. It was the very first time I EVER heard a president say it bothered him to send letters to parents and received bodies of American soldiers who died in Afghanistan and he said for what? "They have been fighting over borders for a thousand years. What difference are we going to make." Never have I ever heard any president concerned about American life.

You may hate Trump, but what you have voted for is the start of the Decline and Fall of Western Civilization. You can deny everything and Bolton can spin his BS. Biden is now blaming Putin for the rise in gas prices when from the outset he promised to "end fossil fuels" and immediately took that position. These sanctions against Russia are also to accomplish the same ends – terminating fossil fuels because these people really think there are only 7 years left and that was 2 years ago.

Remember Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 (MH17/MAS17) which was a scheduled passenger flight from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur? It was shot down on July 17, 2014, while flying over Eastern Ukraine. All 283 passengers and 15 crew were killed. Immediately the US accused Russia and then imposed sanctions on them. It was shot down by the Ukrainian Nazis with an old Russian missile that Russia was no longer using. They did so trying to get the US to enter their revolution against Russians living there in Donestk. Why has Zelensky refused to allow those people to vote? Russia had no motive to shoot down that flight and it was not over Russian territory. It was a false flag to try to blame Russia by the very Ukrainian Nazis who support Zelensky.

You should watch the film Ukraine on Fire by Oliver Stone before you make assumptions. People are clueless as to the real story of Ukraine. They too joined the German Nazis and also engaged in the genocide of Poles, Jews, and Russians. They were notorious but BECAUSE they also hated Russians. For this reason, the Ukrainian Nazis were NEVER put on trial for the very same war crimes that the Germans carried out. So your enemy is my friend as they say. You are cheering for Zelensky who is also trying to create World War III not just because he hates Russians allowing the civil war to continue against them, but he is also in league with Schwab and his World Economic Forum seeking to destroy the world economy so they can BUILD BACK BETTER under the economic theories of Schwab.

They used psychological warfare to make sure you hated Trump and voted for Biden not on issues, but solely on your hatred. They are carrying out the very same psychological warfare to get you to also now hate Putin and therefore you will NEVER look at the facts.

This is not an issue of supporting Trump or Putin. This is an issue of supporting humanity against those who think they are God and can reshape the future into the design that they have in their wild imaginations. These people are DESPERATELY trying to create World War III stirring your hatred so you become a mindless pawn in the war games. You might as well wear an explosive vest and blow yourself up for Allah, for they use the very same tactics on young Arab kids to die for their political games as well. Leaders of such movements never blow themselves up – it is convincing others to do so.

The "orange turd" as you say was demonized and his controller was said to be Putin. To accomplish this agenda, they needed to remove Trump, then Putin, and then they will turn on China. Soros, who I believe is behind the funding of Zelensky, is already out starting to demonize Xi Jinping in China where Soros has declared "the greatest threat that open societies face today." To support their agenda, they have to get you hating China, Russia, and Trump. I believe COVID was created in a lab and deliberately leaked in China and then they call it the CCP virus.

You have no idea what is really going on and if anyone tries to expose it, they dismiss it as conspiracy theory so they never have to answer questions. You probably are also one of those people who couldn't wait to keep getting vaccine boosters and wore your mask in your car while driving alone. Do you also sleep with a condom on at night when alone just in case?

https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/world-news/war/ukraine-the-real-story/




astr0144

#78
UN Head: 'BONE-CHILLING Nuclear War A Possibility'

"This war will have no winners, only losers"

Quote
The Secretary General of the United Nations became the latest globalist figure to state that a nuclear war is on the horizon Monday, describing it as a "bone-chilling" development.

UN head Antonio Guterres warned that the escalation of war in Ukraine "whether by accident or design" threatens the existence of life on Earth, noting that "The prospect of nuclear conflict, once unthinkable, is now back within the realm of possibility."

Guterres added that "this war will have no winners, only losers," further stating that "This war goes far beyond Ukraine."

Guterres' comments come days after the head of the European Council Charles Michel told reporters that if NATO enters the conflict between Russia and Ukraine it will almost certainly lead to a third world war, which will be nuclear.

"Russia is a nuclear power and we are well aware that if this conflict turns into [a conflict] between NATO and Russia, we will roll down into the Third World War," Michael said, further warning it would be a "dimension of a different nature."

A fortnight ago, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said that if a third World War were to take place, it would be "nuclear" and "destructive," as Moscow put its nuclear forces on a "special regime of combat duty".

Last week, U.S. intelligence officials claimed that Vladimir Putin is 'desperate' to end the conflict over Ukraine, with some privately suggesting he could set off a tactical nuclear weapon in a Ukrainian city to get the job done.

There were even wild claims that Putin has moved his family to a secret Siberian underground city in preparation of nuclear war.

The warnings came after the Russian Ministry of Defense claimed that Ukrainian intelligence conspired with anti-Russian extremist militants to stage a false flag attack on a nuclear reactor in the Ukrainian city of Kharkov.

The Ukrainian government also announced last week that they had detected "elevated levels of radiation" after claiming Russia deliberately attacked a nuclear plant, calling for NATO to impose a no fly zone, but IAEA officials later clarified that no leak had been detected.

People in the U.S. and multiple different European countries are panic buying iodine pills in fear of nuclear fallout caused by the conflict in Ukraine.


A Rasmussen Reports survey released Monday found that three-quarters of Americans are worried Russia will use nuclear weapons in Ukraine.


Meanwhile, the Pentagon has warned that "If China does choose to materially support Russia in this war, there'll likely be consequences."



I wonder why this picture shows a Nuclear explosion that appears to be near a built up area / some city of town and where it occurred ?


https://summit.news/2022/03/15/un-head-bone-chilling-nuclear-war-a-possibility/


I was watching a TV program earlier on called "River |Monsters", that was about a Well Known UK Fisherman who travels the world fishing for Very Large Freshwater fish. Often in ref to cases of Large fish that have done damage to  or even killed people.

and on this episode he visited Chernobyl... and I had not realised it was in the Ukraine and it will be 36 years ago on April 26th since  the Nuclear plant disaster occurred.

He had heared of stories of people having seen some large strange fish in the water  areas of the plant.
and he did manage to catch something from it.. and had wanted to see how the radiation may had effected the fish.   Well seeing him catch something proved that the fish in the enclosed area  have managed to survive.
(I wonder if water has any effect on reducing radiation ?)

https://river-monsters.fandom.com/wiki/Chernobyl

https://chernobylstory.com/blog/chernobyl-giant-catfish/#:~:text=Two-headed%20wolves%2C%20enormous%20snakes%2C%20mutant%20fish%20from%20Chernobyl,and%20animals%20that%20live%20in%20the%20contaminated%20areas.

where as thousand of people were said to have died or suffered bad effects.

I assume we can all remember some of the worst days of our lifes... Well April 25th/ 26th have been two of the worst days in my life now on two occasions.. and  one included back in 1986.. and I had not realsied that was when the Chernobyl disaster occurred.

Its to hope that we / I do not see another bad day in April coming up that relates to anything Nuclear !.

QuoteThe Chernobyl disaster was a nuclear accident that occurred on 26 April 1986 at the No. 4 reactor in the Chernobyl Nuclear Power Plant, near the city of Pripyat in the north of the Ukrainian SSR in the Soviet Union.[1][2] It is considered the worst nuclear disaster in history both in cost and casualties.[3] It is one of only two nuclear energy accidents rated at seven—the maximum severity—on the International Nuclear Event Scale, the other being the 2011 Fukushima Daiichi nuclear disaster in Japan. The initial emergency response, together with later decontamination of the environment, involved more than 500,000 personnel and cost an estimated 18 billion Soviet rubles—roughly US$68 billion in 2019, adjusted for inflation

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chernobyl_disaster

micjer

https://www.newsweek.com/ukraine-human-traffciking-416319

Interesting article about human trafficking in Ukraine written in 2015
The only people in the world, it seems, who believe in conspiracy theory, are those of us that have studied it.    Pat Shannon

micjer

#80
The only people in the world, it seems, who believe in conspiracy theory, are those of us that have studied it.    Pat Shannon

ArMaP

Quote from: astr0144 on March 16, 2022, 12:00:27 AM
UN Head: 'BONE-CHILLING Nuclear War A Possibility'

"This war will have no winners, only losers"
I find it interesting that they never mentioned that many references of a third World War (and use of nuclear weapons) have been a response to Ukraine's asking for a no-fly zone over Ukraine created by NATO.
All serious answers have been "no" because it would most likely have a much worse consequence.

astr0144

#82
I am not sure specifically what you mean or how I may interpret what you have wrote , do you ref to the actual article  or something wrote in it that refers to something, such as Ukraine ref to no-Fly Zone in ref to  Nato for eg  or do you refer to Paul Watson who posts the article/s on his website who may have not posted many other articles related to WW3 ?

https://summit.news/

I am doubtful that Nuke weapons would occur at least at this stage so far...

I think it would only occurr if Other Countries were to retaliate direct against Russia or get involved to side  militarily with Ukraine.

Those suggesting such things or posting articles about the possibilities, hopefullly are just fear mongering.

Is it still just an early stage of a chess Game with a few casualities or building up for a much more indepth outlook ?

The thing is you could understand Putin taking action if he is aware of USA / or Nato having Bioweapons within or near by the Borders of the Ukraine or he he believed that that Russian Type Nazi's were involved in some plan to oppose Russia or create some major problem to Russia or the World.

But its terriible at some of the things that have occurred so far at the Cost to the Ukraine people. in terms of deaths and injuries to them and them having to act against them or the people having to leave their Country.

Its hard to say if someone is aiming to create a diliberate war as some Gurus have been indicating !
or If it could be some part of a conspiracy plan in reality.

The thing is.... The Like of the Superpowers have managed to avoid such types of Nuke wars, knowing the consequences. and it would be hard to believe that some Country would attempt to risk to start one.


Quote from: ArMaP on March 16, 2022, 12:47:09 AM
I find it interesting that they never mentioned] that many references of a third World War (and use of nuclear weapons) have been a response to Ukraine's asking for a no-fly zone over Ukraine created by NATO.
All serious answers have been "no" because it would most likely have a much worse consequence.

Shasta56

Everybody should probably start stockpiling toilet paper and learn to make bread. That worked so well at bringing the pandemic to a screeching halt. Personally, I'd rather go out side and howl at 8 o'clock in the evening.
Daughter of Sekhmet

astr0144

During the Pandmic in the UK... the Govt / media persuaded many of  the public become sheep like by clapping for the NHS at about 8 Pm if I recall each week. ad yes it was being suggested that the Pubic were buying and stocking up on Toilet paper and pasta and flour to bake bread.

Howling maybe a better option to along with the feline chorus to show their concern to the war / World Concerns to the Powers that be, (as long as the people dont turn to become werewolves) or rather consider bahing like sheep,


Quote from: Shasta56 on March 16, 2022, 02:53:47 AM
Everybody should probably start stockpiling toilet paper and learn to make bread. That worked so well at bringing the pandemic to a screeching halt. Personally, I'd rather go out side and howl at 8 o'clock in the evening.

ArMaP

Quote from: astr0144 on March 16, 2022, 01:21:42 AM
I am not sure specifically what you mean or how I may interpret what you have wrote , do you ref to the actual article  or something wrote in it that refers to something, such as Ukraine ref to no-Fly Zone in ref to  Nato for eg  or do you refer to Paul Watson who posts the article/s on his website who may have not posted many other articles related to WW3 ?

https://summit.news/

I am doubtful that Nuke weapons would occur at least at this stage so far...

I think it would only occurr if Other Countries were to retaliate direct against Russia or get involved to side  militarily with Ukraine.
Exactly, and that was the answer given by several people to Zelensky when he asked NATO to implement a no-fly zone over Ukraine. That would imply NATO forces shooting down Russian aircraft, and that would only escalate the war.
All the occasions I saw with people talking about a possible World War were based on a direct military NATO/US intervention against Russia.

QuoteBut its terriible at some of the things that have occurred so far at the Cost to the Ukraine people. in terms of deaths and injuries to them and them having to act against them or the people having to leave their Country.
As we say in Portugal, "when the sea hits the rocks, it's the mussel that gets screwed", meaning that those that suffer the consequences are always the smaller and most fragile.
All wars affect more the people that didn't have a saying in the decision making while those making the decision suffer very little or nothing.

ArMaP

Quote from: Shasta56 on March 16, 2022, 02:53:47 AM
Everybody should probably start stockpiling toilet paper and learn to make bread.
Toilet paper bread must have a strange taste...  :P

kevin

Herr Schwab will be so happy to see one of His little puppies Z-burger allowing praise of the Ukranian Azov nazi's., on His meta.
Kevin

ArMaP

Quote from: kevin on March 16, 2022, 10:59:15 PM
Herr Schwab will be so happy to see one of His little puppies Z-burger allowing praise of the Ukranian Azov nazi's., on His meta.
Kevin
Could you please write that in English? I don't understand a thing of what you are trying to say.

astr0144

I wondered about Kevins Comments,

I think he was suggesting that Swabb has some connection with Zelensky in ref to the Ukraine Nazis  plans or to create some further issues maybe could negaively effect any peace talks to mintain a WW3 if thats Swabbs plan,
in which Zelensky may have been defending them which is to support Swabbs and his  suggested agendas.

Quote from: ArMaP on March 17, 2022, 12:32:43 AM
Could you please write that in English? I don't understand a thing of what you are trying to say.