Giant Cross Seen In Curiosity Image

[ArMaP]

Just about anything can be done with Photos, so really in todays world, Photos are no longer
regarded or intended as proof.

It's not just in today's world, that has been part of photography since the beginning.

In this case they are only useful to examine, whether or not they are authentic, can only be taken on "Trust".

Like any other data that we not witness with our own senses, and even then it's just because we trust them.

[ArMaP]

What, on the Moon? 

As far as I know that was the only place besides Earth where Armstrong went.

[ArMaP]

More fuel for the fire?

No, just a different (and needless) presentation of the same fuel.

[ArMaP]

Let me add some more LE

That video is so stupid is not even funny. First he provides the answer then he says nobody can explain it. 

[Littleenki]

No, just a different (and needless) presentation of the same fuel.

Oh different?  Then perhaps not so needless, as it does show the asinine level of one little tidbit going viral!

Id like to see something real from the rover someday..well just have to wait and hope...

[The Matrix Traveller]

Id like to see something real from the rover someday..well just have to wait and hope...

Same here.

I would just like to see Mars as it is, in normal colour, without all the entertainment BS,
which goes with it. (Graphics Produces trying to impress others, with their Tech. tricks)
OK if you like Art or are looking to identify certain Data in one way or other.

But I would just like to see photos, in normal Colour, before being modified in any way ... 

I would like a Link, if anyone has one, to see normal original photos, without having
to wade through pages and pages and pages and pages.... , before finding the real deal.   

[Shasta56]

Looks like some remote areas in the South Island of NZ...   

I guess similar areas may exist in Ausie ? Am I right Soma ?

Looks a lot like southwestern Wyoming.  I've driven through there a few times.

Shasta

[Amaterasu]

Okay, maybe I'm dense and don't intend to be smart aleck but I am just curious about something.  We have a picture of the rover.  What or who is taking the picture?  There is no extension arm coming from the rover with a camera on the end of it.  So who or what is taking the picture of the rover.  Everyone is focused on the cross....just sayin

Was scrolling and scrolling to see if anyOne was asking this question. Now i will go back and see if anyOne has a satisfactory answer...

[watchZEITGEISTnow]

That video is so stupid is not even funny. First he provides the answer then he says nobody can explain it. 

ADGUK = DISINFO !

DARK 'EM!

[Pimander]

In case you missed ArMaP's post.

The rover took the picture, with a camera on an arm that was extended to the front left of the rover (the point of view of the panorama).

In the animated GIF I posted you can see that there was a white arm at the bottom of the image that doesn't appear in the panorama (either removed by hand or by the panorama making software) but appears in one of the original photos that show that area and that I superimposed on (a reduced size version of ) the panorama.

The next stage is to ask further questions about this explanation if you think it doesn't make sense.

My observation is that while this explanation makes sense, it also shows that NASA still definitely tamper with images for public consumption.

My suggestion would be that they also publish the raw images alongside (via a small print link perhaps) so they can be accessed easily and inspected by suspicious parties or researchers.

[ArMaP]

My suggestion would be that they also publish the raw images alongside (via a small print link perhaps) so they can be accessed easily and inspected by suspicious parties or researchers.

Anyone that considers himself/herself a researcher should know where the images are.

[Pimander]

Anyone that considers himself/herself a researcher should know where the images are.

Researchers should, but even they can't get hold of raw data sometimes.  However, many who might be suspicious or interested in how images are prepared are not really researchers.  NASA's mission statement says something about education and information.

If it is something the public are asking about, then in the spirit of openness and education, it is not difficult to publish how an image has been prepared and links to any raw data.  While this does not happen, people will always speculate as to why.

[Littleenki]

Anyone that considers himself/herself a researcher should know where the images are.

Yep, and in the case of ADGUK their subscriber list would shrink to nothing in weeks, as the people would see that theres a bit too much hanky panky going on there!

[The Matrix Traveller]

Hi ArMaP

I understand what you are describing. esp if the Camera especially if the Camera is swung
through an arc or lateral movement is involved. I no expert in Photography but suspect that this
may be what has left the image of the "cross", seen in the panorama.   

Anyone that considers himself/herself a researcher should know where the images are.

As I have NOT been a researcher in this area.

So please inform us where these "Images" are, or can be found in the NASA. 

Dismissing suspicion etc, I am fascinated in the exploration of Mars and just want to see
what Mars looks like, in plain old human terms, rather than an Artists view or enhanced production.

Perhaps these enhanced graphics are of value to some, other than "Entertainment"
but I would just like to see the real deal before any Graphics manipulation.

Its Not that I am suspicious its just that I enjoy seeing what a landscape actually is
rather that what we would expect it to be.

I never enhance photos, I take of places I have visited, esp. in other Countries, I send
back to family, because I like to show/capture the real deal in my photos.   

[zorgon]

So please inform us where these "Images" are, or can be found in the NASA. 

A lot of the raw data from NASA is in forms that most internet users cannot easily access on their computer. One example is .cub files which are generally 1 Gb or more in size and require a Linus based system and a program like Sandia Labs Cubit or the new ISIS from USGS

So just having the links to the data is not always useful

NASA also hasd FTP access drives and password secure sites where you can request info IF you know what to ask and who to ask, as in the case of the Mars Methane discover papers



Now the thing is that what happens on a forum ist that people tend to just want to talk and are quite happy to let others do the work

It is however frustrating at times to real researchers when people repeatedly ask for links to stuff that has been available for a long time

For example  Pegasus List of NASA web sources

From the TOP of the menu page on Pegasus...

Pegasus Files Main Menu

    Breaking News: Items of Interest (updated as time allows)
    Member Articles: Articles by Pegasus Members
    Important Articles: Archive of past breaking news still of interest
    Link Database: List of Links to Official sites and other useful addresses
    Research  Papers: A collection of files in PDF and other formats inc. FOIA papers
    Patents on File: Archive of Patents Related to Pegasus Research Currently in Our Library
    Video Clips: A collection of relevant videos from various sources
    Resources: Patent Offices, Etc
    Our Other Sites: Pegasus and Guest websites


Now I have not updated that for a while with the new sites I have since found, mostly because I figured seeing as no one actually USES the resource, that there was little point but lets take NASA links for example;

NASA AND SPACE RELATED SOURCES AND ARTICLES
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/41pegasus/09database/page000.html#NASA2

Several YEARS worth of stuff there to look at

I think I will update it and maybe ArMaP can help me check for ones I am missing.

I have about a thousand more links in a temp file I just need to add... but time is an issue


The PDF file database is currently set to password access only due to possible copyright issues of some papers I have not had time to verify. There are also about 6000 or so more documents to process and add to the file base

The Patent database has full official copies of some really awesome patents... like about 100 or so from Tesla

Sigh.... but of what use is all that if no one even looks?



Data from NASA's Missions, Research, and Activities
http://www.nasa.gov/open/data.html