Real Suppression of Free Energy?

[Eighthman]

And how does solar electricity replace or reduce oil consumption in the US?

And how expensive is solar electricity when night storage and backup generators are figured in ( since it might not shine sometimes and a gas turbine is needed to come on line)?

Note: I am the only person I know within 10 - 20 miles around to have solar cell panels at my house.

[Pimander]

Note: I am the only person I know within 10 - 20 miles around to have solar cell panels at my house.

Well enlighten us then.

[Eighthman]

I just did - by asking the right questions.

If you guys really wanna talk about free energy,  there seems to be a device that's real but I lack enough knowledge to pursue it.

Takes some knowledge of nuclear physics and maybe chemistry.  Tried on one site but no one would help me.

[The Matrix Traveller]

A look at Solar power in NZ..

http://www.solarcity.co.nz/what_will_i_save

[robomont]

theres so many ways to go on solar.
one must know ahead what your trying to do.
from off the grid to just running a few small items.
a simple system system can be built for under a thousand bucks but will not be legal to install into your power company.

solarcells come in different price ranges.
the way ive thought of doing one is with a car battery ,a voltage converter dc to ac from an auto parts house, a single solar panel.
this settup would run my tv for a few hours and maybe a single light.
as finances improve,i would then add more of each.
if you go the route of legal,just the power convertor is like five grand i think.
this machine automatically disconnects power from the service provider during an outage to prevent the lineman from being electrocuted by your system.
plus it puts out an ac signwave that is in sync with the power companies electrical signal.
this is how your power gets sold back to the local provider and your stuff doesnt fry your neighbors fridge and tv or worse blow up a transformer.

[Eighthman]

Synchronous inverters - such as 250w units- are quite inexpensive. China makes 'em and you can get them cheap on ebay.

That way, you can feed power back into the lines without telling anybody. Reduce your bill.

[Somamech]

hey energy isn't free and is never going to be free unless everyone has the same access
as long as there are haves and have nots..there is a profit to be made and folks willing to do whatever to make that profit

here's a little quote that sums up a lot - underline is mine

Gas producers clearly stand to benefit from export. One of the lesser known realities of the gas fields is that today's prices are not sustainable as they don't offer producers enough value to drill profitably. Even accounting for the cost of gas liquifaction and shipment, the spread between U.S. prices and global prices ensures them a better profit from export than they currently get at home.
http://theenergycollective.com/arnoharris/160796/export-natural-gas-accelerate-our-clean-energy-future


they have wells everywhere around here now and are still trying to put in more..and they are currently building a huge pipe line to connect with ports in philly and n.j.....

farms have been trashed due to the way they are changing laws about mineral rights
http://www.frackcheckwv.net/impacts/the-human-story/

they are even going so far as to say even if you own the mineral rights under your property
it only covers so many feet  down....below that they can do what they want

right now they are doing seismic surveys
http://www.beachapedia.org/Seismic_survey
by either setting off explosions or shaking the ground..even in towns
i'm curious to see what happens when they do this in the spring
because most of western pa. is honeycombed with old coal mines
and the shaking is sure to cause subsidance..watch for stories on that soon

ahh never mind

True my old friend it aint never free   It takes resources to make a solar panel, provides jobs etc.  Honestly i am sure many people other than me have done whole industry wide scope on this one  

A good example of price gouging using myself as an example here in Oz in the last 16 months or so is brain bending 

When I moved into this rented house we were hovering on a Quarterly Bill of 300 bucks for Electricity Usage in 2011.  In that time I had no qualms keeping cool with air con when temps that read above 100f whilst putting on the AC for awhile to cool the house down.

Wont bash the Oz gov so much on Solar as they have had rebates for awhile which did get my dad off-grid to an extent.  So thats cool, the Oz gov did something awesome!

In 2012 every bill we received for electricity has doubled in price, yet we use less      

[Somamech]

A look at Solar power in NZ..

http://www.solarcity.co.nz/what_will_i_save

Thanks for that Link Matrix!

I really do wonder how Pensioners or Unemployed even live in Australia... Lucky Country ?   

[Somamech]

This country isn't any better, Pim!
The CSIRO and Federal Police spent most of the 80's and 90's destroying all the independent Energy Researchers (Solar Cell and other). Now it seems that BHP and the CSIRO are the only players left.

Use Law enforcement to destroy your opposition and steal all their ideas!
Gee, that's a real free market!

Crickey!  Don't get me on that topic !

When i first started working in the industry i work in till this day I was making some parts for that Car that was an Oz industry Showcase with the orbital engine IIRC.  Last year or so I went looking for that and found GM and CSIRO turned a Commodore into a Hybrid Beast 

[Somamech]

Synchronous inverters - such as 250w units- are quite inexpensive. China makes 'em and you can get them cheap on ebay.

That way, you can feed power back into the lines without telling anybody. Reduce your bill.

I think what Pim was asking 8man is that Solar Panels are real, and do Exist.. and you said something well worthy of ALL Members Attention mate

I know we all get a bit "Save a book" or "Burn the Book" at times.  And in saying so I would think that good solar knowledge is well respected  here between both Camps   

In a Nutshell I think someone was giving you a little nudge nudge wink wink to speak up... we are all ears

[PLAYSWITHMACHINES]

Baffles me how much people are at times not saving money from prototyping in china compared to what they should be

They do some nice HV equipment, & much cheaper than anyone else, for a poor inventor that makes them ideal..

Eighthman, you are at the right place
We are looking into all kinds of free energy scenario's, there's plenty of threads right here on PRC that go into great detail.
OK so the problem with solar panels (even cheap ones) is one of storage & conversion to AC. Zorgon even did a thread on it, as i recall......

The legislation for using them here in Europe is tough, but not impossible.
For example you can easily get permission from the town council to install them, provided it's done by an approved contractor. That cuts out the small buisnesses & the D.I.Y.-ers.
And you have to have a special 'dual tariff' meter fitted, which can run backwards.
Why? so that you can sell your extra energy back to the power company.
The catch is that after all that expense, you get something like 3 cents per KwH, but you pay them at least 7 cents per KwH at any other time.

There are 2 plus sides to this, albeit small ones.
One is that your house is generating energy & earning money while you are away on vacation etc, and the other is that you can get about a third of the cost subsidized from the government, only you have to be real quick with the application, it's on a first come first served basis and the pot is usually empty within a few days!

Better to use them for a 12 or 24v DC system, which you don't have to declare or get permission for....

As for inverters, we are designing a few of our own,like the super inverters and some neat class D/E designs provided by Fruitbat . I have already promised the first 2 units to PRC for whoever needs them the most, i think Zorgon and Amaterasu will be the first names on that list

ETA: I guess that means i'll have to make them 110 v 60Hz....

[Eighthman]

I'll tell you what I know and then see if anyone can help.  Here goes......

J Naudin tests free energy notions in his lab.  He tested an idea called "VSG" he got from a French scientist, who claimed that they observed free energy in Tokamak experiments with various elements.

The rationale for the VSG device is written in French , at some length.  Babblefish only goes so far.

He reported clear overunity results that seemed well calibrated.  However, I don't understand exactly what triggers the reaction described.  A HV pulse? Or Alpha particles from a Thorium welding rod?

Another guy reported replication of the device:   www.intalek.com

That's about it. 

[robomont]

yes 120vac 60HZ.what can you make them for,in american dollars ?

[PLAYSWITHMACHINES]

I'll take a peek

8man, we have at least 2 members on PRC who ARE french, they could help us with the translations
Micjer is french i think, try sending him a PM with some links, in fact that goes for anyone who knows french members here

The french group i found working on the MEG (yahoo groups) were doing quite well, shame i didn't understand all of what they were chatting about (i'm too lazy to use Babelfish anyway, it's just as easy to learn some French), but the diagrams & photo's were worth a thousand words..

The thorium thing i've heard of in many systems, Naudin originally did some cold fusion experiments, in fact i've probably posted on it here, can't remember

But using Thorium in a Tokamak setup IS new to me, i'll have to read up a bit first.
Touts suites, mon amis

ETA; Hi Robo, missed your post, wait 1...

[PLAYSWITHMACHINES]

In dollars?
No idea, the real expensive parts are the capacitors, transformers, heatsinks etc.
But i have plenty of those already

So the actual cost, for me at least, is almost nothing.
What it's going to cost is time, but theres progress.

What i would like to do (aside from the 2 free units) is to post all the diagrams, pics, how-to's parts list etc so those of you who know which end of a soldering iron to hold, can make them themselves. I'll even supply the heatsinks, i've got tons of 'em

If you like i will look up the cost of the parts from Conrad / RS / Maplin or somewhere, & give you a price for the parts.
Naturally if i start selling them, i will make them as cheap as i can for PRC members.
In fact, I won't sell them, but maybe PRC can?
This is something that has cropped up a few times, i think it would be a nice earner for Peggy, not only hard cash, but with a piece of actual hardware to back up her reputation....
What do ya think?