The Extraterrestrial Hypothesis: Pure misdirection?

[sky otter]

you can't win 'em all

..no you can't.. but it's on the list to check out next book store trip..
got another one that seeker recommended .. so guess i outta go soon

[karl 12]

In particular, any types of sighting that are more common are in my opinion not likely to be from other star systems or planets.  If there really are saucers, USOs and similar spotted regularly by pilots then there is little reason to assume they are extraterrestrial.  If they are common then they are likely crypto-terrestrial (interdimensional is closely related IMO) with underground, underwater or both the origin.

Hey mate, great thread and as Gordon Creighton mentions in interview - 'unquestionably something is going on and unquestionably it's a very bewildering mystery'. 

Speculation about UFO origin really is a fascinating subject and I've always been pretty fond of the CTH although maybe the ETH and EDH play a role as well (as well as other factors we may not of thought of yet). I don't know if you've seen it but the late Mac Tonnies gives a good interview below about the various hypotheses and also brings up how the truth may be a 'myriad of overlapping explanations', Doc Hynek also makes some very interesting comments here about the possibility of UFOs being 'a manifestation of an interlocking universe' and also mentions how the ETH would be like Earth experiencing 'a dozen Apollo missions every afternoon' - I really don't know what to think but I'm pretty sure some of the objects involved in specific UFO cases aren't us.

Author, blogger and Fortean researcher Mac Tonnies argued that the ET hypothesis (that aliens are visiting our world from other star systems) is somewhat of an outmoded concept, and the truth may be stranger than we can imagine, involving a myriad of overlapping explanations. The notion of parallel worlds has gained credence in the scientific world, and the aliens could represent a kind of symbiosis with beings from another dimension, he noted.

Cheers.

[A51Watcher]

In reagrds to our religous buttons being pushed:

I've heard it stated many times that lower beings from the Astral planes like to push our buttons, quite often.

I was also listening to some Billy Meier contact tapes last night in which it were stated by Asket that there are regular looking humanoids...

Asket? 

You mean the Dean Martin girl?   


Check her out in the Contactee section.

[Sinny]

Asket? 

You mean the Dean Martin girl?   


Check her out in the Contactee section.

Billy said the photo's were switched. You can take his word or leave it........................ ??


ETA: I believe I got Asket confused with Semjase anyway.

[Pimander]

Billy said the photo's were switched. You can take his word or leave it........................ ??

What even the picture of a Dinosaur he published in one of his books that turned out to be a photograph of a children's book? (Or was that Adamski, I lost track?)

[Sinny]

What even the picture of a Dinosaur he published in one of his books that turned out to be a photograph of a children's book? (Or was that Adamski, I lost track?)

No that was Billy also- me and John already commented on these somewhere here -
We think there's a further conspiracy - I'll re-cap as soon as I'm willing to dedicate the time.

[Pimander]

Karl, Thanks for reminding me of one of my favourite interviews.  I just love the way Creighton is pretending he has just been looking through his library in scholarly fashion.  In case any members haven't seen it Gordon pretty much goes over a lot of relevant material.

Gordon used to be the editor of an important early UFO periodical called "The Flying Saucer Review" and translated a lot of foreign reports to English (I think he was a British intelligence translator on the side ).  If you are genuinely interested in this topic please spend ten minutes watching this. Here:



Anyone who doesn't love guys like Gordon have something missing.

Hynek echoes one of my points in that article too.  When referring to the sheer volume of UFO reports:

But he would be happier [with the ETH] if there was one sighting every hundred years.  This way, he said, "it's like a dozen Apollo missions every afternoon."

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=XXVQAAAAIBAJ&sjid=2REEAAAAIBAJ&pg=5791,2618836

It looks like I'm in good company when I say that the sightings are too common for a simple, "it must be extraterrestrials," explanation.

Very relevant contribution Karl, as always. 

[A51Watcher]

Billy said the photo's were switched. You can take his word or leave it........................ ??


ETA: I believe I got Asket confused with Semjase anyway.

re: the picture of asket and the dinosour

That might be possible for some pictures, however we have video of Billy himself showing us the dinosaur and Asket photo telling us they were real and how and when they were taken.

So Billy can't even recognize his own photos?

[Sinny]

re: the picture of asket and the dinosour

That might be possible for some pictures, however we have video of Billy himself showing us the dinosaur and Asket photo telling us they were real and how and when they were taken.

So Billy can't even recognize his own photos?

I'm sugegsting he shared fake photo's on purpose 

[deuem]

I'm sugegsting he shared fake photo's on purpose 

I have never found any of his work that will pass any Deuem test. He has his world, I have mine.

[rose]

Thanks for the vids, Karl, and Pim. Karl, I'm going to try to find the Noory Interview on C2C and download yours to a player. 

Pimander: Cover ups exist and the ET hypothesis has been useful for that purpose. Whether intentionally or otherwise, it has kept people busy and blind to the fact that other intelligent beings co-esit here with us,  beings which seem to come and go at will and in some instances influence how we see realtiy. For the purposes of this discussion, what do we call them?

rose

[Somamech]

Just wanted to chime in say thanks to Pim for that old Beebs interview with Gordon Creighton !

Anyone know what sorta craft he saw in 1941 whislt he was in China ?

[Pimander]

Just wanted to chime in say thanks to Pim for that old Beebs interview with Gordon Creighton

Karl posted a link to it before me.  I just embedded it as I guessed a lot of people would not have noticed it.  I also love that interview and wanted to make sure as many of you as possible see it.

Glad you enjoyed it BTW.

[Somamech]

Ahh thanks Karl.   

I'm not around here enough to absorb it all in 

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One thing though regarding the misdirection part of this thread that I do ponder a lot is how come so many people have seen this and that and have amazing personal experience's yet we still live in this fishbowl so to speak ?   

Although I have many an idea as to why this is so, and a theory or two which may or not be totally awesome/insane 

I still find it fascinating that it seem's other's can freely look in to some degree, and for the most part we can only look out.  The cheque's don't seem to balance

[Pimander]

Pimander: Cover ups exist and the ET hypothesis has been useful for that purpose. Whether intentionally or otherwise, it has kept people busy and blind to the fact that other intelligent beings co-esit here with us,  beings which seem to come and go at will and in some instances influence how we see realtiy. For the purposes of this discussion, what do we call them?

I like that question because in my opinion it has been these beings calling the shots as to who we think they are.  Maybe it is high time we nailed down something to call them that isn't loaded with preconceptions?

I can't think of anything that isn't loaded with preconceptions now I put my mind to it. LOL