FBI Bites On Bitcoins

[Amaterasu]

Yes cute young things are more in demand in some fields

But why you no tried the internet selling plan?

You have free time... you have computer skills...  you live in an area where you can find lots of stuff to sell... and you don't have bills as high as mine are currently.

So yeah it's tough to get a job, but dang it people on Ebay and Etsy have money to spend. Why not liberate them of it?

I live in an area with lots of stuff to sell...  Um...  Like what?  There are trees, roads, & other People's property for miles around.  Should I sell poison ivy?  Lots of that here.  Um...  Dirt.  It's not Mine though.  It's the landlord's.  Heh.  So is the poison ivy.

[Amaterasu]

I forgot what I was trying to say or think about when I started the thread but that was an entertaining ideological joust.

I like both your arguments in different situations.  I don't agree that if everyone had the wealth to do what they liked that they would watch TV and eat pizzas.  On the other hand, I'm not sure whether all the work would get done either unless we set the machines up carefully first.

Ideally, I'd like to have a good standard of living, more opportunities and have to work a lot less hard.  I also don't like ANYBODY owning things we all need like energy supply, water supply, land (apart from our homes obviously), roads, rail etc.  If everyone needs something then it should be shared, and shared fairly.  That includes food.

Sounds like the abundance paradigm.  Except "fairly" is not a necessary concept, as there is more than enough for 10 times the Humans now on this planet.  We are all heirs of the earth.

[Pimander]

Sounds like the abundance paradigm.  Except "fairly" is not a necessary concept, as there is more than enough for 10 times the Humans now on this planet.  We are all heirs of the earth.

Except the resources are not accessible to most people yet.  Potentially there is more than enough for us all (even if it isn't 10 times as much).  Before we get to abundance, or even if we never get there, there is no excuse for everything being controlled in the interests of the few.

Unfair distribution of the resources (including education) we need to make ourselves money/food/resources is what divides people.  The other two things that divide people are Nationalism and religion.

[Amaterasu]

Except the resources are not accessible to most people yet.  Potentially there is more than enough for us all (even if it isn't 10 times as much).  Before we get to abundance, or even if we never get there, there is no excuse for everything being controlled in the interests of the few.

Unfair distribution of the resources (including education) we need to make ourselves money/food/resources is what divides people.  The other two things that divide people are Nationalism and religion.

All true.  I'm saying if We aim for abundance it will be that We all have plenty.

[sky otter]

don't mean to interfer with the debate but just thought i'ld toss this in 




http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/12/06/bitcoin-crashes_n_4400392.html

So, Bitcoin Is Crashing
The Huffington Post  |  By Mark Gongloff
Posted: 12/06/2013 3:15 pm EST  |  Updated: 12/06/2013 3:58 pm EST


Well, it had to happen some time: Bitcoin is crashing.

The price of the crypto-currency tumbled nearly 21 percent on Friday to $877.46 on trading site Mt. Gox and has fallen more than 29 percent since closing at a record high of $1,237.96 on Wednesday, according to Bitcoin data tracker BitcoinCharts.com. (Story continues after chart, courtesy of bitcoin.clarkmoody.com.)

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Much of Bitcoin's meteoric rise in the past few months has been due to speculative trading in China, the Wall Street Journal pointed out earlier this week (subscription only).

China's central bank shot a gigantic hole in that trade on Thursday by telling Chinese banks they couldn't use the untraceable digital currency, calling it "not a currency in the real meaning of the word."

That doesn't mean Chinese investors can't keep speculating in Bitcoin, but it is a blow to the credibility of the four-year-old currency. Created by an unknown hacker or hackers known as Satoshi Nakamoto, Bitcoin has the potential to be a long-lasting digital alternative to national currencies like the U.S. dollar and the Chinese yuan. But it has also become favored for illicit uses such as money laundering and drug-dealing, raising concerns about whether policy makers will ever embrace it fully.

Regardless of Bitcoin's long-term potential, there is little doubt its price has jumped too far too quickly: It traded for less than $100 just six months ago.

An official for Bitcoin exchange BTC China, where a growing percentage of Bitcoin trading takes place these days, told the WSJ that most Chinese investors are just hoping prices will keep rising long enough for them to sell and turn a profit. The People's Bank of China, in its statement on Thursday, reminded traders that might not be the soundest approach to investment, according to the New York Times:

"The price can be easily controlled by speculators, creating severe turbulence and huge risks," the PBOC reportedly said. "Ordinary investors who blindly follow the crowd can easily suffer major losses."

[robomont]

As far as i know.the fbi havent been able to hack it yet.
Virgin airlines last week said it would accept them so its still up in the air.lol.

Govt cant stop what it cant control so bitcoin should be strong.imho

[deuem]

I live in an area with lots of stuff to sell...  Um...  Like what?  There are trees, roads, & other People's property for miles around.  Should I sell poison ivy?  Lots of that here.  Um...  Dirt.  It's not Mine though.  It's the landlord's.  Heh.  So is the poison ivy.

o, that is not the idea. Do you have flea markets or backyard sales. Anything that is specific to the area that out sides can't get ahold of except through you. Peolple turn junk into treasure all the time. Make something else out of it and recycle stuff. Old tree can become wall hangings with pretty poem lettering. just have it cut up into flats and finish it off. The tree was dead no on wants it.  Do your artistic work like I do and have it printed and framed. It will sel, it is original. do numbered releases. Hey I sell even sell deuem here from time to time. Your work should be easier to sell.People love arrangements of dried flowers and weeds. The tall grass stuff stuck in a vase. All cheap to get if not free. There are a million thing to do to pick up cash on the side.

Pressed poision ivy inbetween two panes of glass sitting over a back ground photo would sell. Ivy is cool looking.. So yea,  Just wear gloves and dont rub your face or butt.

[robomont]

Thrift store and garage sales for valuable books.they are everywhere.i find something valuable about every fifth try.i found a book worth about four thousand one time at a salvation army.i had a friend that found an original mary shelly frankinstine.the gold is out there.

My problem is understanding ebay.i think ebay stores are brilliant.if i was good at inputting correctly .then i could make a killing.maybe we could create a high speed simple app.

[Amaterasu]

Just saw this.

How can I go to thrift stores and garage sales with no money or transportation?

I suppose We have flea markets...  What would I do with one?  Steal things?  Sell dirt?  How do I get there?

I have no tools - so selling old trees (if I can find any) means just offering them as is.  "Here.  A tree stump!  You'll have to dig it out when the property owner isn't looking...  Just $50!"  (No money to pay to have trees I don't own cut into slabs...)

Zero money to pick up vases, dried flowers, whatnot.... 

My hands are not up to cutting and carving, even if I had proper tools.

If Thor can print out My work, I guess I can sell prints.  No money to frame them... 

So...the "gold" may be "out there," but I have NOTHING to buy it with.

[zorgon]

Just saw this.

How can I go to thrift stores and garage sales with no money or transportation?

I see homeless bums on the street here all the time... they collect pop cans and other stuff in shopping carts and walk to the scrap yard. I am not saying YOU should do this... what I am saying is that at the lowest end of the food chain these homeless people are making some money for effort

To show HOW MUCH...   I too save the pop cans... wife brings them home daily from work. I save all scrap metal I find when I drive by it it the trash...

So my last trip to the scrap yard netted 185.00 tax free cash for a small load of scrap iron (chairs, bed frames etc) a small box of stripped copper wire ($3.00ish a lb) and a few backs of pop cans (45cents a lb)

I don't NEED to do this anymore but since WWII my family learned the value of recycling everything.

All our yard scrap and food scrap (meat goes to the dogs) goes to compost. Makes lots of soil in just a few weeks... I got some FREE Canna roots from a neighbor  about a dozen. Stuck em in the ground... next year I had hundreds. Picked up some fee pots from the nursery (then bought some really cheap used ones on ebay) Put the Canna roots in them and within three weeks I had 30 plus potted plants at about 2-3 foot tall. An 18" plant sells at Lowes for 9.99 for a single shoot. Mine had 3-4 at least. Put an ad for FREE into Craislist and people come to my door to pick them up... tax free cash


If poison ivy grows so do other plants  Small potted pine tree sells for 8.00



These are suggestions and yeah require energy

A bicycle with a basket is transportation to look at yard sales and thrift stores... and good exercise

Where there is a WILL there is a way

I suppose We have flea markets... 

Gotta look to see em

What would I do with one?

Sell something, buy something, barter something, see if anyone needs help, offer a service, look around at what sells and how much it sells for

Steal things?

That is just being STUPID   

Sell dirt? 

Good dirt sells for big bucks. A wet climate with lots of yard waste can produce TONS of dirt a year (top quality top soil) and people will pick it up. If I can make top soil here in the dry Vegas desert with minimal effort, imagine what you can do out there in the wet lands   Basically you rake it into a pile and let it rot. Toss in all kitchen scraps, egg shell, coffee grounds and WOOD ASHES from fire pits etc

2-3 weeks tops for a good pile of dirt

How do I get there?

Bicycle

I have no tools - so selling old trees (if I can find any) means just offering them as is.

The old trees was for Thor who DOES have the tools. Cut pallets of firewood old logs and tree tables do sell. Might take time to find the right buyers but firewood sells at super markets for 6.99 for about 6-8 logs

Zero money to pick up vases, dried flowers, whatnot.... 

Zero money... yet you manage to eat and stay alive... quite a feat... I see Mexican illegals out here that manage to make money with nothing and manage to get all sorts of government help

I know for a fact that the Mormons will help out money wise and all they ask in return is you listen to their sermons. You are not obligated to join, just ask you to listen. A friend of mine took that hand for 4 months as they paid his rent. He was Pagan...  (He did however return it when he got a job)

There are THOUSANDS of ways to find a starting point.

My hands are not up to cutting and carving, even if I had proper tools.

Yet you have a computer toll and your hands can spend HOURS typing. There are many online jobs available... serious ones where you work at home that are not scams

If Thor can print out My work, I guess I can sell prints.  No money to frame them... 

Ever heard of sites like DEVIANT ART?  Kids create online art and some sell it. Many websites online that sell digital copies only. I bought a CD once, paid $49.99 because it had a copy of a very old hard to find Rosicrucian document. It was on a CD containing a collection of old public domain files, including the entire works of Aliester Crowley "Equinox"  That was a bonus... I was happy to pay for the one file

I once paid 50.00 for a list of phone numbers... I could have found these numbers online... maybe... IF I knew what and where to look... but that 50.00 saved me the time and pointed me to the right place. There were 24 numbers on that paper...

people pay 200.00 to get a copy of patents  Yes you can get them online free but many people don't have time to do the search and paying someone else research time is VERY COMMON in the world and well paid

Doctors seek people at home to do medical records... on and on the list goes

All you need is a computer, time  and ability to search

So...the "gold" may be "out there," but I have NOTHING to buy it with.

Most of the gold I have ever found I dug up myself or ripped out of old computers. Have Thor drop off old scrap computers and electronic stuff and loan ya a screwdriver and wire cutter and you can get gold (and copper aluminum and steel)  You would be amazed at how much gold and copper is in a computer (or cell phone)


Stop whining and do something

[Amaterasu]

I see homeless bums on the street here all the time... they collect pop cans and other stuff in shopping carts and walk to the scrap yard. I am not saying YOU should do this... what I am saying is that at the lowest end of the food chain these homeless people are making some money for effort

To show HOW MUCH...   I too save the pop cans... wife brings them home daily from work. I save all scrap metal I find when I drive by it it the trash...

So my last trip to the scrap yard netted 185.00 tax free cash for a small load of scrap iron (chairs, bed frames etc) a small box of stripped copper wire ($3.00ish a lb) and a few backs of pop cans (45cents a lb)

I don't NEED to do this anymore but since WWII my family learned the value of recycling everything.

All our yard scrap and food scrap (meat goes to the dogs) goes to compost. Makes lots of soil in just a few weeks... I got some FREE Canna roots from a neighbor  about a dozen. Stuck em in the ground... next year I had hundreds. Picked up some fee pots from the nursery (then bought some really cheap used ones on ebay) Put the Canna roots in them and within three weeks I had 30 plus potted plants at about 2-3 foot tall. An 18" plant sells at Lowes for 9.99 for a single shoot. Mine had 3-4 at least. Put an ad for FREE into Craislist and people come to my door to pick them up... tax free cash


If poison ivy grows so do other plants  Small potted pine tree sells for 8.00



These are suggestions and yeah require energy

A bicycle with a basket is transportation to look at yard sales and thrift stores... and good exercise

Where there is a WILL there is a way

Gotta look to see em

Sell something, buy something, barter something, see if anyone needs help, offer a service, look around at what sells and how much it sells for

That is just being STUPID   

Good dirt sells for big bucks. A wet climate with lots of yard waste can produce TONS of dirt a year (top quality top soil) and people will pick it up. If I can make top soil here in the dry Vegas desert with minimal effort, imagine what you can do out there in the wet lands   Basically you rake it into a pile and let it rot. Toss in all kitchen scraps, egg shell, coffee grounds and WOOD ASHES from fire pits etc

2-3 weeks tops for a good pile of dirt

Bicycle

The old trees was for Thor who DOES have the tools. Cut pallets of firewood old logs and tree tables do sell. Might take time to find the right buyers but firewood sells at super markets for 6.99 for about 6-8 logs




Zero money... yet you manage to eat and stay alive... quite a feat... I see Mexican illegals out here that manage to make money with nothing and manage to get all sorts of government help

I know for a fact that the Mormons will help out money wise and all they ask in return is you listen to their sermons. You are not obligated to join, just ask you to listen. A friend of mine took that hand for 4 months as they paid his rent. He was Pagan...  (He did however return it when he got a job)

There are THOUSANDS of ways to find a starting point.

Yet you have a computer toll and your hands can spend HOURS typing. There are many online jobs available... serious ones where you work at home that are not scams

Ever heard of sites like DEVIANT ART?  Kids create online art and some sell it. Many websites online that sell digital copies only. I bought a CD once, paid $49.99 because it had a copy of a very old hard to find Rosicrucian document. It was on a CD containing a collection of old public domain files, including the entire works of Aliester Crowley "Equinox"  That was a bonus... I was happy to pay for the one file

I once paid 50.00 for a list of phone numbers... I could have found these numbers online... maybe... IF I knew what and where to look... but that 50.00 saved me the time and pointed me to the right place. There were 24 numbers on that paper...

people pay 200.00 to get a copy of patents  Yes you can get them online free but many people don't have time to do the search and paying someone else research time is VERY COMMON in the world and well paid

Doctors seek people at home to do medical records... on and on the list goes

All you need is a computer, time  and ability to search

Most of the gold I have ever found I dug up myself or ripped out of old computers. Have Thor drop off old scrap computers and electronic stuff and loan ya a screwdriver and wire cutter and you can get gold (and copper aluminum and steel)  You would be amazed at how much gold and copper is in a computer (or cell phone)


Stop whining and do something

Who's "whining?"  Asking questions and pointing out difficulties in logistics.  I cannot walk for more than a few minutes without pain, and I live nowhere near anywhere I can collect all these goodies.

And FYI...  Beth and I are working on just that:  doing something.

[thorfourwinds]

...
If Thor can print out My work, I guess I can sell prints.
No money to frame them... 
So...the "gold" may be "out there," but I have NOTHING to buy it with.

Greetings:

            

   WTF?

On top of the new 23" monitor,
Santa gave you a spanking new printer a couple of weeks ago
and 500 sheets of high-quality paper.     

Zorgon and the others are quite right - attitude is everything.   

You would have us believe that there is absolutely, postitvely
NO legitimate employment available on the internet.   

2014 is a time for new beginnings!   

Now is the time to leave those defensive,
negative attitudes in the past and leap into your new future!   




or








The choice is clearly yours to make.

[Amaterasu]

Well...  The talk was to print tabloid size - and the printer only does 8 1/2 x 11.  That is what I was envisioning.  I guess I could print out 8 1/2 x 11...  But I doubt I could get the $150 for them Deuem was suggesting.  MAYBE $20 for 8 1/2 x 11.