Clementine images

[deuem]

While I'll be cooking turkey

Trade you for 3 big fat chickens and a bag of rice

[Eighthman]

http://motherboard.vice.com/blog/nasa-s-rules-for-talking-to-china

Let me toss this into the mix.  So, NASA arrogantly won't talk to the Chinese - and they are sending out probes to the moon. And the Chinese are really getting p*ssed about US domination of everything.

Gosh, I wonder what could happen next?

[Somamech]

8Man you could look at it in another light and one I like to entertain

IF we here on this forum and many other forums which inturn = discussion amongst people that see something is a bit a amiss with presented information.  Then it's a tad bit more than likely that somewhere in every Nation on this planet there are people or what have you that don't want this little secret out in regards to our solar system for unknown reasons to me.  I can speculate why but have no concrete proof.   

Official Documented Research say's we can Live on The Moon and Mar's.  I nearly fall asleep with boredom searching all the wonderful official documents reagrding a Habitat on the Moon.      

[Eighthman]

I speculate that India sends a probe to Mars (soon) or China sends a rover to the moon (scheduled for next month) and they photograph stuff and then....

tell the US/NASA to screw themselves.  Both nations have no cultural problem with Aliens.  And US hegemony is going the way of the Dinosaurs.

[Eighthman]

I'm also puzzled by the blurs.  If these photos are a composite of individual shots and the blurred areas are where data is lacking, why is the shape of the blurs so irregular? I would think we would see a straight line or the remains of circles stuck together or something other than the mess we observe.

By this reckoning, I could see a square as a photographic artifact but not an amorphous blur.

[Elvis Hendrix]

I agree eighthman,
Also the entire surface around the shapes has blurring . Like there could be stuff all over the terrain?

[ArMaP]

Yes, I agree. those photos are 100% blurred, Ok, now what? now we have a bunch of blured photos from NASA for what ever the reason is.

Those are not photos.

What do you want to do with these
1) toss them,
2) unblur them
3) hang NASA
4) where are we going, what rabbit hole
5) draw circles around the blurs

What is the plan guys?  We need a better plan than my blur is bigger than yours!

6) Look at the originals instead of the screen captures of the first version of a software made to show a mosaic made with a (then) new compression system.

[ArMaP]

I looked at the square with Deuem and to me it appears that an object or paper or tape was placed over the negative when processing the photo or making a swcond negative.

No negatives for those photos, Clementine was the first mission with a digital camera.

[Eighthman]

I'm no expert but I have years of experience with bad digital video or compression (in which part of the image data is missing).  This doesn't look like that.

[Elvis Hendrix]

No negatives for those photos, Clementine was the first mission with a digital camera.

Yes a digital camera that took 1.8 million images of the moon.
Of which 170 thousand where available to the public.
Clementine me thinks has kept an awful lot up her shiny sleeves.

[zorgon]

I speculate that India sends a probe to Mars (soon) or China sends a rover to the moon (scheduled for next month) and they photograph stuff and then....

China already did that Chang-E 1  They released ONE PHOTO that was found within 6 hours to be a copy taken from Clementine...

Chang-E 2  also took pictures  where are they? A few are available on the Chinese space program website, where are the THOUSANDS of hi res pictures?
http://www.cnsa.gov.cn/n615709/n772514/n772543/

India sent Chandrayaan-1   where are the pictures? I saw a few on India's space program website. where are the THOUSANDS of hi res pictures?
http://www.isro.org/chandrayaan/htmls/home.htm

Japan sent "KAGUYA" (SELENE) they took HD video o the moon... and pictures. The video looks like a clay model and shadows don't change as it reaches the terminator...  where are the THOUSANDS of hi res pictures?
http://www.jaxa.jp/projects/sat/selene/index_e.html

We followed these missions LIVE back at ATS

tell the US/NASA to screw themselves.  Both nations have no cultural problem with Aliens.  And US hegemony is going the way of the Dinosaurs.

Sorry not gonna happen...

NASA has an office in Japan
http://oiir.hq.nasa.gov/japan/index.html

Go read here on John's page
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/47john_lear/menu.html#NASA

These titles;

NASA Dominates World Space Programs - List of Countries NASA has an agreement with
ESA
ESA and NASA extend ties with major new cross-support agreement
Canada
NASA_Canadian_Space_Agency_Agreement
China
NASA Administrator Visits China
Japan
NASA_Japan_Agreement
NASA_Japan_Agreement 1990
NASA in Japan NASA Japan Representative Field Office
India
NASA And India Sign Agreement For Future Cooperation
NASA To Work With India on Moon Mission
U.S.- India Space Cooperation



Get the picture yet?

[ArMaP]

I'm no expert but I have years of experience with bad digital video or compression (in which part of the image data is missing).  This doesn't look like that.

Have you seen other examples of the use of a high compression ratio done with this compression method?

Example 1

Example 2

[zorgon]

After those missions I actually stopped wasting my time keeping track of it. They all claimed they took hundreds of thousands of images yet only a hand full are available to the public...

And no one else but Exuberant 1 and Mike Singh did any followup hunting to catalog them for us. Mike Singh came here briefly and vanished...Exuberant 1 and Russo vanished... Internos gave up... Luna Cognita vanished....


I would gladly revive it if anyone cared to help track down these images.

I have people from the military and space command offering to help when I revamp the website but I need someone here at the house to help with the layout work

The Clementine images... we need to call the NAVY and ask them where we can get the whole lot of them but WHO here has storage capacity for 1.8 MILLION images in hi res? And WHO here has time to even go through the 170 thousand they did release?

The old Lunar Orbiter images. We had/have direct access to the LORP team that found those missing tapes of Lunar Orbiter data that we were leaked back at ATS. That lead also linked me to a direct email for astronaut John Phillips

Haven't followed up on that yet  no time and little interest here

Lunar Orbiter cameras...

On a typical Lunar Orbiter mission, the photographic system provided high-resolution pictures of 4,000 square miles of the Moon's surface with enough clarity to show objects the size of a card table. At the same time, medium-resolution photographs covering 20,000 square miles could be made with overlap for stereo viewing and analysis of surface topography.

Photos were processed automatically by the Orbiter's photographic system as the spacecraft orbited the Moon's dark side. This operation was performed by a KODAK BITMAT diffusion transfer process using 'dry' chemistry. A high-intensity light beam then optically scanned the photographic prints, and the images were transmitted to receiving stations on Earth.

The 1600 pictures captured in total by the five Lunar Orbiters using the ITT photographic system enabled photogrammetrists at NASA and the U.S. Government's Defense Mapping Agency to create accurate maps of the Moon's surface. From these photos, maps, and other lunar data, NASA identified the Sea of Tranquillity as the final landing site for the Apollo 11 mission in 1969.

About the Lunar Orbiter missions

Launched in 1966 and 1967, all five missions Lunar Orbiter were successful. The missions collectively photographed 99% of the Moon's surface with a resolution of 60 m ground resolution or better. The first three missions, dedicated to imaging 20 potential Apollo landing sites, were flown at near equatorial orbits as close as 22 miles above the lunar surface. The fourth and fifth missions were devoted to broader scientific objectives, and were flown in high altitude polar orbits.


ITT The defense contractor that made the cameras
http://web.archive.org/web/20050210151436/http://ssd.itt.com/heritage/orbiter.shtml

[Ocker]

I have a clearer version below and it still has the Ship in it..Ship you say!! I was more interested in the blurred out thingy magingys.


They still forgot to blur out the Ship !


Here it is

[ArMaP]

Yes a digital camera that took 1.8 million images of the moon.

In fact it had 3 cameras, the UV/VIS camera (that zorgons wrongly thinks took true colour photos  ), the HIRES camera and the NIR camera.

Of which 170 thousand where available to the public.

Really? Why do you say that?