Malaysia flight 370 Where is it?

[deuem]

Ok on the mangosteens, we eat them here all the time. So I wonder if this craft makes the mangosteen run all the time. That should be easy for them to figure out. More than half the flights at our airport are for goods.

Around here if there is an opening in the cargo hold it gets stuffed full of goods going in that direction. Goods are sent on available room. This goes for all forms of transportation. Hey I shipped my motorcycle in the bus hold. then it was filled in with next room goods. Next available room goods make them a lot of side money while other countries ship cargo holds half empty because of their rules. Rules, what rules?

I doubt if the pilot would even know what was in the cargo bay. He would just get the weight. Maybe a list but that could be changed to read anything.

Right now it is all a guess.

Deuem

[sky otter]

well i don't know where this thread went but i am cut and pasting articles from the
malaysia-chronicle in the hope they may contain what is going on and not plots from the twilight zone
my heart aches for the families but even more for the passengers ..
what if it were someone from your family
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pieces from a very long article..one thing this  link has is tons of photos so if you are interested in that go to the link....



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Speaking at a press conference this afternoon, acting Transport Minister Hishammuddin Hussein said Malaysia was continuing to co-ordinate the search for the missing Boeing 777-200ER.

He added: 'I can confirm that we have received some radar data, but we are not at liberty to release information from other countries.

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It was reported today pilot Capt. Zaharie Ahmad Shah had programmed a remote island in the middle of the Indian Ocean with a runway long enough to land a Boeing 777 into his home flight simulator.

A U.S. official said the Malaysian government is seeking the FBI's help in analyzing any electronic files deleted last month from the pilot's simulator.

The official, speaking anonymously, said the FBI has been provided electronic data to analyze.

CNN also reported investigators at Quantico, a Marine Corps base and home to FBI labs, were examining 'hard drives belonging to two pilots':

Malaysia's defense minister said iinvestigators were trying to restore files deleted from the simulator last month to see if they shed any light on the disappearance.

Files containing records of simulations carried out on the program were deleted February 3.


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Suggestions the flight may have deliberately been changed were challenged by the acting transport minister today.

In words that appeared to rubbish a Reuters report suggesting MH370 used waypoints, or navigational points, after losing contact with ground control, he said: 'I am aware of speculation that additional waypoints were added to the aircraft's flight routing. I can confirm that the aircraft flew on normal routing up until the waypoint IGARI. There is no additional waypoint on MH370's documented flight plan, which depicts normal routing all the way to Beijing.'

Investigators at the conference also rubbished reports the plane may have been sighted over the Maldives.

Some residents of Kudahuvadhoo, one of the most remote parts of the area, said they saw a low-flying aircraft on the morning the flight's disappearance. Hishammuddin Hussein said these were false.

Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 with 239 people aboard disappeared March 8 on a night flight from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing.

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Also reported today was the fact the U-turn made by the missing jet is believed to have been programmed into the on board computer before the last radio contact was made with the co-pilot.

A leading aviation expert yesterday suggested Asian military officials may be staging a mass cover-up because they do not want to expose gaping holes within their countries' air defences.

The jet went missing shortly after 1am - but it wasn't until the following Tuesday that the Malaysian Air Force reported they had spotted the aircraft on radar over the Strait of Malacca at 2.15am.

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Writing on his blog, aviation expert David Learmount said: 'Maybe these states' air defences, like Malaysia's, are not what they are cracked up to be.

'And maybe they wouldn't want the rest of the world to know that.'

Mr Learmount, a former pilot and now operations and safety editor at the respected Flight Global publication, points out that MH370 might have flown over several Asian countries including Thailand, Burma, China, Bangladesh, India, Pakistan, Turkmenistan and Afghanistan.

If it emerges that an unidentified aircraft had been able to fly over a territory undetected and unchallenged it would amount to an embarrassing security failure.

Regarding the Malaysian sighting Mr Learmount wrote: 'Clearly they had let an unidentified aircraft pass through Malaysian sovereign territory without bothering to identify it; not something they were happy to admit.

'The Malaysian government has called upon all the countries to the north-west as far as Turkmenistan and the Caspian Sea to check their primary radar records for unidentified contacts in their airspace in the seven hours after the 777 went missing.

'Depending on the actual track the aircraft followed, if it had headed approximately north-west this could include some–if not all–of the following countries: Thailand, Myanmar/Burma, China, Bangladesh, Bhutan, India, Nepal, Pakistan, Afghanistan, and Turkmenistan.

'If the aircraft had gone that way, surely military primary radar in one of those countries–or several–would have picked up the signal from this unidentified aircraft, and the vigilant radar operator would have scrambled a fighter to intercept the intruder?

'Wouldn't s/he? Or maybe not. Maybe these states' air defences, like Malaysia's, are not what they are cracked up to be. And maybe they wouldn't want the rest of the world to know that.' -Daily Mail



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[deuem]

I would say that the only way most of these places would know if you were in their air space is if you called them. If they have active radar it is just for the airport. We used to buzz one airstrip just to clear the goats off the strip. Then come in for a landing. No one knew where we were except us and the goats. In Tialand we landed at an airport with no one there, A shack at the end of the strip. No radar, just a flight landing every Monday at 3pm. So they book the field for an hour. Very simple logic.

In the states there are so many airports that they overlap radar all the time. But get under say 500 feet and they can't see you either, unless your on approach radar or visual. In this area of the world they could fly anywhere they wanted too. And the idea that they would send up fighters is a myth in my book. It costs thousands of dollars just to get one of them up in the air. If thay did that for every druglord blip they would be broke.

Many of the elite fly what is called here blacked out planes. They don't want to pay for the flight plan and just go where they want to. A flight plan needs time up front, up to 3 days and they just don't have the time to wait. So they turn everything off and just fly where they want to. Wild west style. Mostly at night.
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[spacemaverick]

Australia PM says possible MH370 flight debris spotted in southern Indian Ocean

Australian Prime Minister Tony Abbott says satellite imagery has found objects possibly related to the search for Malaysia Airlines flight MH370.

Two objects have been spotted in the Indian Ocean, Abbott told the Australian parliament.

"New and credible information has come to light in relation to the search...in the south Indian Ocean," Abbott said, according to Reuters. "The Australian Maritime Safety Authority has received information based on satellite imagery of objects possibly related to the search."

"The task of locating these objects will be extremely difficult...and it may be they do not relate to the aircraft," he added.

Abbott said a reconnaissance team is on the way to retrieve the suspected debris. An Australian P-3 Orion aircraft is due to arrive at the scene around 14:00 local time (03:00 GMT).

Abbott said he has notified Malaysian Prime Minister Najib Razak.

[spacemaverick]

POSSIBLE SCENARIO



Could there have been a depressurization?  Still does not answer why transponder was shut off.  But here is a pilot that says this may be the simple answer.

[Lunica]

A Startlingly Simple Theory About the Missing Malaysia Airlines Jet

What to think about this idea from a pilots view?   
Not a that big stretch, however in any story about 50% is based on assumptions more or less IMO.

The left turn is the key here. Zaharie Ahmad Shah1 was a very experienced senior captain with 18,000 hours of flight time. We old pilots were drilled to know what is the closest airport of safe harbor while in cruise. Airports behind us, airports abeam us, and airports ahead of us. They're always in our head. Always. If something happens, you don't want to be thinking about what are you going to do–you already know what you are going to do. When I saw that left turn with a direct heading, I instinctively knew he was heading for an airport. He was taking a direct route to Palau Langkawi, a 13,000-foot airstrip with an approach over water and no obstacles. The captain did not turn back to Kuala Lampur because he knew he had 8,000-foot ridges to cross. He knew the terrain was friendlier toward Langkawi, which also was closer.

http://www.wired.com/autopia/2014/03/mh370-electrical-fire/

[Amaterasu]

Still does not explain the transponder issue.  No "emergency" would explain that or the lack of communication, as in, "Plane trouble.  X has happened and an emergency landing is needed!"  Unless it was catastrophic, in which case the plane would not have been in the air hours later.

[deuem]

If they get a ping from the engine and this plane has 2 engines, why are they not getting 2 pings?
If it was 1 ping per hour then maybe they should ping each engine on the half hour. 4 engines every 15 minutes. And why is there not a second or third sat picking up the ping for triangulation. There is something very fishy about this entire case.
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[Somamech]

Two Hour's ago from ABC Oz:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-03-21/us-navy-assists-indian-ocean-search-for-mh370/5335600

Side Question to US Navy folkes here on Pegasus: Should this Pilot have a Patch on his Shoulder ?  (it appears to me that a Patch is removed in this pic) 

US crews are assisting in the search and rescue operations for Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 south-west of Perth.

AFP: US Navy

[Somamech]

O found that Image from this New's article from the same source:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-03-21/bad-weather-hampers-search-for-possible-mh370-debris/5335582

[burntheships]

Two Hour's ago from ABC Oz:

Side Question to US Navy folkes here on Pegasus: Should this Pilot have a Patch on his Shoulder ?  (it appears to me that a Patch is removed in this pic) 

That looks to be a Malay patch there mate.
Just imo....

Pasukan Udara Tentera Darat PUTD
is the Army Aviation branch of the Malaysian Army.

I wonder what the missing patch is, good catch Soma.

[COSMO]

I'm still saying Pakistan. 

[spacemaverick]

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/malaysia-airlines-flight-370-possible-debris-from-missing-plane-spotted/


Four military planes searched the area Thursday without success but will resume later Friday morning, Australian officials said.

CBS News' Bob Orr reported Thursday that the objects spotted on the satellite images were at the extreme southern end of the projected southern search corridor, so in an area where all earlier information suggested crews might expect to find the missing jet. He said it was conceivable that the largest object was one of the Boeing 777's wings. As the flight would have been near the end of its fuel supply in reaching the area, the fuel tanks in the wings would be close to empty, giving the wings added buoyancy.

The Norwegian cargo vessel Hoegh St. Petersburg, with a Filipino crew of 20, arrived in the area and used searchlights after dark to look for debris. It will continue the search Friday, said Ingar Skiaker of Hoegh Autoliners, speaking to reporters in Oslo.

video included in the link.

[ArMaP]

If it was 1 ping per hour then maybe they should ping each engine on the half hour. 4 engines every 15 minutes. And why is there not a second or third sat picking up the ping for triangulation.

From what I have read, the engine "pings" are sent to the engine manufacturer, and they probably do not have the need for more that 1 "ping" per hour or work with many satellites, but I don't really know how the system works.

[spacemaverick]

Another interesting theory from Rense.com website.  No proof and just a theory except for the remote control idea.

Is MH370 The Latest Casualty Of
The Pentagon's Pivot To Asia?

By Yoichi Shimatsu
3-20-14

THE FOLLOWING TAKEN DIRECTLY FROM THE ARTICLE (NOT MY WORK)

The closer that millions of online sleuths come to tracing the trajectory and destination of the missing Malaysian Airlines jetliner, the likelier it becomes that the National Security Agency and CIA will resort to disinformation, including the planting of falsified evidence, to throw off their pursuers in what increasingly appears to be an electronic hijacking by those spy agencies.

More layers of the ongoing cover-up are being hatched now that eyewitnesses at the Huvadhu Atoll, a diving area in the southern Maldives,, have reported sightings of "a low-flying jumbo jet.: South of Huvadhu Atoll, the closest U.S. military facility is Diego Garcia in the Chagos Islands. The joint U.S. Navy submarine and Air Force facility has underground hangers huge enough to conceal B-52 bombers, a convenient hiding place for a Boeing-777.

Huvadhu is a prominent marker in the vast Indian Ocean, used as the turning point for flights into Diego Garcia. There valuable cargo - either classified documents or a human intelligence asset - can be secretly landed and reloaded on a USAF cargo jet or a Navy submarine. Countless secret and illegal "extraordinary rendition" flights were sent to Diego Garcia in the war on terror, and there is no practical reason why the same US intelligence agencies would not use it to land a civilian aircraft hijacked by remote control.

Pieces of the wreckage spotted by US ally Australia further south of Diego Garcia could be a decoy site, salted with physical evidence of airplane parts that have been moved surreptitiously. As in the unsolved mystery of Amelia Earhart, who was on an espionage mission against the Japanese forces in the South Pacific before her disappearance, there is the possibility that a hostile military force moved tantalizing evidence from the actual landing site to a more distant remote island by plane or ship.

Malaysia Targeted by Air-Sea Battle Plan

The case of a MH370 has been solely focused on the possibility of a route diversion by the on-board crew. Completely ignored in press releases and news reports so far is the elephant in the room, or perhaps a better analogy of a Great White Shark in the bathtub - the massive U.S. Navy and Air Force presence in the seas and airspace surrounding Malaysia.

There is absolutely no way that a flying object as large as a Boeing-777 could evade the 24-hour watch over the South China Sea and the Andaman Sea by NSA-USAF spy satellites, high-tech AEGIS destroyers, the new class of Littoral Combat Ships and P3 surveillance planes.

The reasons for targeting Malaysia becomes clearer by examining the bigger picture of an aggressive military build-up in the Southeast Asia region by the combined armed forces of the US, Japan and Australia under Washington's "strategic pivot to Asia" policy. This geopolitical strategy is carried out by the Pentagon and its military allies through the Air-Sea Battle Concept, which disperses Navy and Air Force fighter jets across a network of civilian airfields and secret landing strips.

Beijing is not the only target of the Air-Sea Battle Concept. Malaysia runs a close second to China on Washington's enemies list. Flight MH370, destined for Beijing, is the literal embodiment of the economic alliance and political relationship between : China and Malaysia, making the airliner a most convenient target.

Link below for rest of the article.

http://www.rense.com/general96/mh370.html