Malaysia flight 370 Where is it?

[ArMaP]

The things the press publishes are getting more and more ridiculous.

Apparently, now we know that the pilot was piloting the aircraft. Isn't that what pilots are supposed to do or am I missing something?

[deuem]

The things the press publishes are getting more and more ridiculous.

Apparently, now we know that the pilot was piloting the aircraft. Isn't that what pilots are supposed to do or am I missing something?

The co-pilot or auto pilot. The CIA

[spacemaverick]

The things the press publishes are getting more and more ridiculous.

Apparently, now we know that the pilot was piloting the aircraft. Isn't that what pilots are supposed to do or am I missing something?

Early on the authorities were trying to determine who was actually flying the aircraft.  I don't know how the family knows.  At this point I think the press is grabbing at anything.  Find the plane and the boxes and we MIGHT know.

[The Seeker]

It would surprise me if we live long enough to ever see flight mh370 resolved...

just my 2 pesos...


seeker

[08rubicon]

   If this true, then Shah's wife and family know much more of this mystery.I
suspect that thoes close to the investigation also know much more.
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Intriguing new details about doomed flight MH370 have been revealed by the wife of pilot Zaharie Ahmad Shah, who has reportedly broken her silence on her husband.
Two investigators claim the missing pilot's wife, Faisa Shah, revealed to them for the first time that Shah was controlling the flight when it vanished, on March 8.
New Zealand-based authors Geoff Taylor and Ewan Wilson said it resolved uncertainty about who was piloting the Boeing 777 jumbo jet, when it veered off-course en-route to Beijing from Kuala Lumpur.
They said Faisa Shah's son had also confirmed his father was in control of the flight, meaning it was he who delivered the fateful farewell: "Good Night Malaysian 370" -- the last word heard from the doomed airliner with 339 passengers on-board.
But the Antipodean sleuths did not explain was how Shah's relatives knew this for certain.
Taylor and Wilson claimed the revelation meant Shah had to be the top of the list for investigators trying to find out what befell MH370.
Geoff Taylor told Stuff: ''In the three months-plus since the flight went down, no one in the media has been able to get close to Zaharie's widow.
''We were lucky to get confirmation from her that it was him who was at the helm. It's a breakthrough, because that was an unknown until now.
"It puts Zaharie right in the mix."
Taylor said Malaysians were reluctant to think that Shah could have had direct involvement in the mystery of what happened to MH370.
He said: "Pilots are very well respected there and they rejected the implication he could be involved. It's a much more palatable option that it could have been something mechanical.
''We went over there with an open mind. It sounds corny, but we really are pursuing the truth. It's going to be interesting to see how this book will be received.''



https://uk.news.yahoo.com/mh370-breakthrough-investigators-captain-zaharie-ahmad-shahs-wife-125338595.html#iTWIkUp
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[ArMaP]

I don't know how the family knows.

If the last message sent from the aeroplane was sent by radio, I think they just had to ask someone that knew both the pilot and the co-pilot who was talking at the time, that would explain the family of the pilot knowing about it.

[spacemaverick]

UPDATE

http://abcnews.go.com/International/missing-malaysia-airlines-jet-autopilot-crash-investigators/story?id=24312044

The Malaysia Airlines plane missing since March 8 was on autopilot before it possibly spiraled into the southern Indian Ocean, Australian officials said today as they announced the latest shift in the search for the doomed airliner.

After analyzing data between the plane and a satellite, officials believe Flight 370 was on autopilot the entire time it was flying across a vast expanse of the southern Indian Ocean until it ran out of fuel, Australian Transport Safety Bureau chief commissioner Martin Dolan said.

"Certainly for its path across the Indian Ocean, we are confident that the aircraft was operating on autopilot until it ran out of fuel," Dolan told reporters in Canberra.

The assumption is that the autopilot was manually switched on, rather than activated automatically under a default setting, Dolan said. Authorities still aren't sure when the Boeing 777 began running on autopilot.

The new search area for the plane, which went missing on a flight from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing, covers more than 23,000 square miles, which is 70 times larger than the area that has already been searched.

Confusion surrounding the plane's descent contributed to the expanded search area. The jetliner could have spiraled out of control for nearly four minutes before crashing, according to today's report.

Based on the logs of communication between the Boeing 777 and the aviation service satellite network Inmarsat, the wayward jetliner flew for seven hours and 38 minutes before running out of fuel. But when an airliner's fuel tanks run empty, the engines are not likely to stop at the same time, the report explains.

That uneven power likely caused an uncontrolled, spiral descent.

Dolan stressed that his agency is not speculating on what caused the plane to go missing in the first place. The Malaysian government is handling that task.

"Questions as to why, are not what we needed to address to refine the search area," Dolan said.

The 58-page report released today is intended to explain the various ways the plane might have flown to predict where it wound up in the ocean. Such predictions provide some reasonable search boundaries after lengthy, expensive and, so far, unsuccessful previous searches by air and sea.

The report does suggest that one particular scenario, an incapacitated cockpit crew suffering from the effects of hypoxia, is the "best fit" for the available evidence for the final period of the flight because, like MH 370, previous accidents resulting from a loss of aircraft pressurization also resulted in a loss of radio communication, a long period without any maneuvering of the airplane and a steady cruise and descent with fuel exhaustion.

In looking for parallel events that might be helpful, the Australian Transport Safety Bureau reviewed past air accidents, including 22 in-flight upsets, four flights in which the pilots were unresponsive at the controls and an equal number of air accidents that involved the airplane gliding to the ground. Data from those accidents was examined to determine how the airplane reacted after the initial event, how it descended and impacted the ground or water, and how far the debris scattered.

By creating a framework of possible scenarios, the ATSB - along with Boeing, Inmarsat and safety investigators from the United Kingdom and the United States - created a mathematical database that they are using to suggest where the plane entered the water.

Some 1,000 scenarios were considered in creating the refined search zone. Before the hunt resumes again, however, two ships will complete a bathymetric survey of the ocean floor that began last month in order to create a more detailed map of the underwater terrain.

Using probabilities, Dolan said that there was a 1 to 5 percent chance that the ships might discover the wreckage of MH 370 during the mapping process.

[astr0144]

Malaysia jet passengers likely suffocated, Australia says

The passengers and crew of the missing Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 most likely died from suffocation and coasted lifelessly into the ocean on autopilot, a new report released by Australian officials on Thursday said.
In a 55-page report, the Australian Transport Safety Board outlined how investigators had arrived at this conclusion after comparing the conditions on the flight with previous disasters, although it contained no new evidence from within the jetliner.
The report narrowed down the possible final resting place from thousands of possible routes, while noting the absence of communications and the steady flight path and a number of other key abnormalities in the course of the ill-fated flight.
"Given these observations, the final stages of the unresponsive crew/hypoxia event type appeared to best fit the available evidence for the final period of MH370's flight when it was heading in a generally southerly direction," the ATSB report said.
All of that suggested that the plane most likely crashed farther south into the Indian Ocean than previously thought, Australian officials also said, leading them to announce a shift farther south within the prior search area.
The new analysis comes more than 100 days after the Boeing 777, carrying 239 passengers and crew, disappeared on March 8 shortly after taking off from Kuala Lumpur bound for Beijing.
Investigators say what little evidence they have to work with suggests the plane was deliberately diverted thousands of kilometers from its scheduled route before eventually plunging into the Indian Ocean.
The search was narrowed in April after a series of acoustic pings thought to be from the plane's black box recorders were heard along a final arc where analysis of satellite data put its last location.
But a month later, officials conceded the wreckage was not in that concentrated area, some 1,600 km (1,000 miles) off the northwest coast of Australia, and the search area would have to be expanded.
"The new priority area is still focused on the seventh arc, where the aircraft last communicated with satellite. We are now shifting our attention to an area further south along the arc," Australian Deputy Prime Minister Warren Truss told reporters in Canberra.
Truss said the area was determined after a review of satellite data, early radar information and aircraft performance limits after the plane diverted across the Malaysian peninsula and headed south into one of the remotest areas of the planet.
"It is highly, highly likely that the aircraft was on autopilot otherwise it could not have followed the orderly path that has been identified through the satellite sightings," Truss said.


https://uk.news.yahoo.com/malaysia-jet-passengers-likely-suffocated-australia-says-001915883--finance.html#aa2woVb

[Amaterasu]

Let Me get this straight...  They have no clue where it is - and yet They know it had a "orderly [flight] path?"

...otherwise it could not have followed the orderly path that has been identified through the satellite sightings

Let's think on this a bit...

[Littleenki]

OK, thought on it for three seconds......theyre clueless, or most likely...lying.

[astr0144]

This is at the bottom of Sinny's posts...

Its a good job we have some members on PRC that can think ! or at least I think they can

How Fortunate For Leaders That Men Do Not Think - Adolf Hitler.

[spacemaverick]

How in the world do they come up with this stuff when they don't have the aircraft or the boxes?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/malaysia/10933917/MH370-New-evidence-of-cockpit-tampering-as-investigation-into-missing-plane-continues.html


By Jonathan Pearlman, Sydney

2:26PM BST 29 Jun 2014

Air crash investigators probing the disappearance of Malaysia Airlines MH-370 have discovered possible new evidence of tampering with the plane's cockpit equipment.

A report released by Australian air crash investigators has revealed that the missing Boeing 777 suffered a mysterious power outage during the early stages of its flight, which experts believe could be part of an attempt to avoid radar detection.

According to the report, the plane's satellite data unit made an unexpected "log-on" request to a satellite less than 90 minutes into its flight from the Malaysian capital, Kuala Lumpur, to the Chinese city of Beijing. The reports says the log-on request - known as a "handshake" - appears likely to have been caused by an interruption of electrical power on board the plane.

"A log-on request in the middle of a flight is not common," said the report, by the Australian Transport Safety Bureau. "An analysis was performed which determined that the characteristics and timing of the logon requests were best matched as resulting from power interruption."

David Gleave, an aviation safety expert from Loughborough University, said the interruption to the power supply appeared to be the result of someone in the cockpit attempting to minimise the use of the aircraft's systems. The action, he said, was consistent with an attempt to turn the plane's communications and other systems off in an attempt to avoid radar detection.

"A person could be messing around in the cockpit which would lead to a power interruption," he said. "It could be a deliberate act to switch off both engines for some time. By messing about within the cockpit you could switch off the power temporarily and switch it on again when you need the other systems to fly the aeroplane."

Inmarsat, the company has confirmed the assessment but says it does not know why the aircraft experienced a power failure.

"It does appear there was a power failure on those two occasions," Chris McLaughlin, from Inmarsat, told The Telegraph. "It is another little mystery. We cannot explain it. We don't know why. We just know it did it."

The Australian report released by Australian authorities has revealed that the Boeing 777 attempted to log on to Inmarsat satellites at 2.25am, three minutes after it was detected by Malaysian military radar.

This was as the plane was flying north of the Indonesian island of Sumatra. The aircraft had already veered away from the course that would have taken it to its destination of Beijing, but had not yet made its turn south towards the Indian Ocean.

The aircraft experienced another such log-on request almost six hours later, though this was its seventh and final satellite handshake and is believed to have been caused by the plane running out of fuel and electrical power before apparently crashing, somewhere in the southern Indian Ocean. The other five handshakes were initiated by the satellite ground station and were not considered unusual.

Asked whether the power interruption could have been caused by a mechanical fault, Mr Gleave said: "There are credible mechanical failures that could cause it. But you would not then fly along for hundreds of miles and disappear in the Indian Ocean."

Another aviation expert, Peter Marosszeky, from the University of New South Wales, agreed, saying the power interruption must have been intended by someone on board. He said the interruption would not have caused an entire power failure but would have involved a "conscious" attempt to remove power from selected systems on the plane.

"It would have to be a deliberate act of turning power off on certain systems on the aeroplane," he said. "The aircraft has so many backup systems. Any form of power interruption is always backed up by another system.

"The person doing it would have to know what they are doing. It would have to be a deliberate act to hijack or sabotage the aircraft."

An international team in Malaysia investigating the cause of the crash has not yet released its findings formally, but has indicated it believes the plane was deliberately flown off course. The plane disappeared on March 8 with 239 passengers aboard but an international air, sea and underwater search has failed to find any wreckage.

The Australian report added that the plane appeared to have flown on autopilot across the Indian Ocean and that the crew and passengers were likely to have been unresponsive due to lack of oxygen during the southward flight.

It has recommended an underwater search in an area about 1,100 miles west of Australia, around the location where the plane's seventh "handshake" is believed to have occurred.

The report also notes that the plane's in-flight entertainment system delivered a satellite message 90 seconds after the first power failure but not after the second failure hours later. This, it says, "could indicate a complete loss of generated electrical power shortly after the seventh handshake".

The new underwater search will begin in August and cover about 23,000 square miles. It is expected to take up to a year

[astr0144]

MH370: Cockpit 'deliberately tampered with in bid to avoid radar', new evidence from Australian investigators suggests

New evidence has emerged to suggest that someone deliberately tampered with the missing Malaysia Airline flight MH370's cockpit equipment shortly before it turned south towards the Indian Ocean.
According to a report released by the Australian Transport Safety Board (ATSB), the jet is believed to have suffered a power outage after it disappeared from air traffic controllers' screens.

Experts said that the evidence was consistent with someone in the cockpit deliberately trying to disable one or more systems related to the aircraft satellite data unit (SDU), and that this could have been part of an attempt to avoid radar detection.

The evidence comes from further analysis of the available satellite data, which show that the plane made an unexpected "log-on" request to the satellite around 90 minutes into its flight from Kuala Lumpur bound for Beijing.

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The report said: "A log-on request in the middle of a flight is not common. An analysis was performed which determined that the characteristics and timing of the logon requests were best matched as resulting from power interruption."

Experts believe this crucial incomplete "handshake" and the final, seventh contact with a satellite out in the Indian Ocean both involved power outages – but that the latter was after the plane had run out of fuel and was about to crash into the ocean.

The other five handshakes, used by investigators to plot the plane's path south into the Indian Ocean, were initiated by the satellite ground station and not believed to be unusual.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/mh370-cockpit-deliberately-tampered-with-in-bid-to-avoid-radar-new-evidence-from-australian-investigators-suggests-9573802.html

[spacemaverick]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdLmcRbvZgw&feature=player_embedded

Another video dealing with 370 from the BBC..(I might pick up some more tidbits from this.  This one brings up more technical aspects explained in plain English so to speak. (To a level a non-technical person can understand)

[spacemaverick]

The above video is a good one .....it gives me hope....but the whole thing depends on a transponder working.  I found the above video to be much clearer on what has been done to look for the aircraft.  It doesn't really explore the theories except the lithium ion battery theory but gives a clear indication as to what was done to look for it.