Malaysia flight 370 Where is it?

[spacemaverick]

I believe I am now changing my opinion to the demise of the aircraft having something to do with the lithium ion batteries on board.  Was it bad shipping practices?  Was it sabotage of the battery cargo by a cargo loader? (this is a very plausible theory)  When I watched the video above I really began thinking really hard about this and the theory they came up with made the most sense.  How did it fly on and why did it turn?  My theory would go along with what I heard on the video.  It really is starting to make sense to me now.

[ArMaP]

My theory would go along with what I heard on the video.

Could you tell us what they say on the video, both for those like me that don't have 1 hour to spend looking at a video just to get an idea of what was said and for those that cannot watch the video?

Thanks in advance.

[spacemaverick]

Could you tell us what they say on the video, both for those like me that don't have 1 hour to spend looking at a video just to get an idea of what was said and for those that cannot watch the video?

Thanks in advance.

The main part of the video just tells what was actually done and why they looked in certain areas.  This was explained clearly so even a person with no aviation experience could understand.  I added piece of information was that some of the information that was used did come from a US spy satellite from the orders of the Whitehouse.  The gentleman giving the briefing in the video related how another aircraft had actually experienced an issue where they were at an altitude where the decompression because of faulty valves had literally knocked out passengers and crew.  They knew this because F-16's had been scrambled and could see co-pilot slumped over, pilot not seen and O2 masks had dropped for passengers.  Then a flight attendant walked into the flight deck with a oxygen bottle and mask trying to get the attention of the F-16's.  He didn't finish that story but said this could very well have happened on board 370.

370 had a cargo of lithium ion batteries in the cargo hold and he said that if even one battery caught fire, the rest would go and cause toxic smoke and the heat alone could fry avionics.  It could start small and enlarge...the turn could have been a last ditch effort to bring the flight around by auto pilot and then pilots passed out.  The plane flew on with auto pilot.  It is hard for me to explain everything in sequence like he did but it was plausible.  He also explained radar gaps and the difference between primary and secondary radar and how it works.  There were a lot of gaps in radar coverage also.

I cannot do justice regarding the video because I am not an expert but I do know that in the USA that lithium ion batteries are a restricted cargo and some airlines do not ship them and they only ship overland.

I tired to give you what I could to explain but this guy was good but said we cannot know until the boxes are found along with the aircraft.  I thought it to be a worthwhile video.  I have found out that airlines now ship more cargo on passenger jets as opposed to flying freighters because of their size.  It would behoove the flying public to know what is on board their aircraft....or maybe we don't want to know.  It is worth the hour to inform yourself.

[ArMaP]

Thanks, spacemaverick. 

[spacemaverick]

Thanks, spacemaverick. 

You're welcome....

[Ellirium113]

Flight MH370 families start fund to uncover truth about vanished jet

Not satisfied with the lack of progress being made on locating Malaysia Airlines Flight 370, relatives of passengers are planning to launch a $5 million fundraising campaign aimed at triggering another investigation.

According to a report by USA Today, the campaign will seek $3 million to reward a whistleblower for coming forward with new information and $2 million for private investigators to look into any other leads that emerge.

The campaign has been dubbed "Reward MH370: The Search for the Truth," and will officially launch on Monday through the crowd-funding website Indiegogo. Composed of families from the United States, Australia, France, India, and New Zealand, the campaign does not include the participation of Chinese or Malaysian families, whose relatives were the primary travelers on the plane.

As for why these families decided they needed to start such an effort, American Sarah Bajc – whose partner, Philip Wood, was on the plane when it disappeared – said it's necessary considering the failure to locate the plan up to this point.

"We are taking matters into our own hands," Bajc told USA Today. "There is no credible evidence" the plane is somewhere in the southern Indian Ocean. "I'm convinced that somebody is concealing something."

Although Bajc is certainly not alone in feeling that way, these accusations have been denied by officials conducting the search.

"Nothing important is being concealed in any way," said Angus Houston, the head of Australia's joint agency managing the search. "My approach has always been to be as open as I could possibly be."

Houston acknowledged that not all the information is out in public just yet, but that a complete review is underway and should be finished sometime in June.

Meanwhile, Malaysian officials have also denied that transparency is an issue, though the country's acting transport minister, Hishammuddin Hussein has stated that "requests made by next-of-kin and international media cannot be accommodated 100%."

While Bajc is hopeful and believes outside action must be taken, she is also cautioning those who donate. Even if the campaign is fully funded, results are not guaranteed.

"Granted, $2 million in investigation services won't go very far," Bajc told USA Today. "Clearly, they've already spent $100 million, and they've gotten nothing. But we're not going to approach it with boats in the ocean. We're going to approach it with human intelligence."

As far as the official search goes, the US Navy's deputy director of ocean engineering Micheal Dean said at the end of May that the four pings believed to have been coming from MH370's black box were actually coming from an unrelated source. As RT reported then, Dean said there was no evidence suggesting the pings came from the black boxes, and the international group charged with finding the plane halted its search for debris in the suspected area of the Indian Ocean.

http://rt.com/usa/164312-flight-malaysia-families-truth-mh370/

Too bad that even if their suspicions are confirmed that no one officially will ever confirm or deny them. They are to be commended for their efforts though.

[spacemaverick]

E113...it is still hard to fathom how a huge modern airliner can just disappear like that but after watching the last video I put up...the radar gaps definitely are huge and now I can understand why it was hard to track now.  I changed my opinion from landing somewhere to the lithium ion battery theory.  But I still cannot reconcile that theory with the flight continuing on for hours before the handshakes of the satellite disappeared.  That last video certainly had me more convinced now than the other theories.  But all anyone has is theories don't they.  The families raising this money may help them get someone or some company to get them some answers.

[Ellirium113]

E113...it is still hard to fathom how a huge modern airliner can just disappear like that but after watching the last video I put up...the radar gaps definitely are huge and now I can understand why it was hard to track now.  I changed my opinion from landing somewhere to the lithium ion battery theory.  But I still cannot reconcile that theory with the flight continuing on for hours before the handshakes of the satellite disappeared.  That last video certainly had me more convinced now than the other theories.  But all anyone has is theories don't they.  The families raising this money may help them get someone or some company to get them some answers.

It is my opinion that the plane can not be found because someone does not WANT it to be found. This is not simply a case of too big of gaps in the radar...we have:

-multiple radars tracking
-GPS data
-black box pings
-ECM Reporting software
-eye witnesses
-other governments claiming to know it's location

We have also seen deliberate obfuscation of data and omission of data on purpose. This only serves one purpose and doubtful in such a high profile event that it was careless mistakes. I truly hope the family's of the missing passengers can get some closure on this event one way or another. It is sad that they must launch their own investigation since all other released data is tainted by conspiracy and can no longer be trusted.

[Sinny]

I think it's an insult to further this investigation.

[spacemaverick]

I think it's an insult to further this investigation.

Maybe I'm dense...don't know what you mean.

[Fruitbat]

I think we are amongst the very few who still care.
~S~

[Sinny]

Insult to Injury - British Phrase.

Like, the planes already missing, and now they want us to obsess over it...

[spacemaverick]

Insult to Injury - British Phrase.

Like, the planes already missing, and now they want us to obsess over it...

Thanks, learned something today.  I spent more time in the German culture when I was overseas.  The British culture of the time drank me under the table.  Love interacting with other cultures.

[WarToad]

Insult to Injury - British Phrase.

We use that in the States too. (Or at least my neck of the woods)  Perhaps a loan phrase from our British cousins.   

[Sinny]

We use that in the States too. (Or at least my neck of the woods)  Perhaps a loan phrase from our British cousins.   

I thought the whole of phrases came from your British cousins? 

Ya'll took the language and butchered it! lol