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if this is already here and i missed it..sorry... it is kinda OLD news to most here

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About UFOs and Nuclear Weapons
Although most people are completely unaware of its existence, the UFO-Nukes Connection is now remarkably well-documented. U.S. Air Force, FBI, and CIA files declassified via the Freedom of Information Act establish a convincing, ongoing pattern of UFO activity at American nuclear weapons sites extending back to December 1948.

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Significantly, the UFO activity occasionally transcends mere surveillance and involves direct and unambiguous interference with our strategic weapons systems. Numerous cases include reports of mysterious malfunctions of large numbers of nuclear missiles just as one or more UFOs hovered nearby. (Declassified Soviet Ministry of Defense documents confirm that such incidents also occurred in the former USSR.)

To date, Hastings has interviewed more than 130 military veterans who were involved in various UFO-related incidents at U.S. missile sites, weapons storage facilities, and nuclear bomb test ranges. The events described by these individuals leave little doubt that the U.S. nuclear weapons program is an ongoing source of interest to someone possessing vastly superior technology.
On September 27, 2010 Hastings hosted the UFO-Nukes Connection press conference at the National Press Club in Washington D.C., during which seven U.S. Air Force veterans discussed UFO incursions at nuclear weapons sites during the Cold War era. CNN streamed that event live; the full-length video is below:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jUU4Z8QdHI

more here:  http://www.ufohastings.com/

i once saw a show called history project:ufo history.
best ufo show i ever saw.
rocky mountain pbs showed it only in that market.i tried to get shreveport pbs to show it but they wouldnt.

New video trailer from Hastings on the subject, looks pretty good -

UFOs and Nukes: The Secret Link Revealed

"The definitive documentary on UFO activity at nuclear weapons sites, produced by renowned researcher Robert Hastings.

Interviews with former U.S. Air Force nuclear missile launch officers who unequivocally state that UFOs have long monitored and even tampered with American ICBMs.

Their dramatic testimony is reinforced by revealing declassified documents which convincingly confirm this situation as real and ongoing, extending from the 1940s to the present day.

Sometimes fact is indeed stranger than fiction.

https://vimeo.com/ondemand/ufosandnukes/160920820 (https://vimeo.com/ondemand/ufosandnukes/160920820)

The only correction I would make to the above trailer is the statement "Technologically advanced observers whose identity and intentions remain unknown, began to monitor the nuclear standoff almost from the start".

Technically that statement is now incorrect, because we now have evidence they were monitoring our nuclear program from the very start -

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=8581.msg117213#msg117213 (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=8581.msg117213#msg117213)

... and as Hastings asserts it continues to this very day.

In retrospect it is a miracle we have any reports from military bases at all, because often times the witnesses are told to forget they saw anything and never mention it again, and that's an order!

The few that do slip out under various circumstances or FOIA requests are often quite remarkable and sometimes give a glimpse into the inner workings of the reporting process and who they actually go to, despite false public proclamations of closing all investigation and reporting programs.

Hastings is treading dangerous ground here, because this subject refutes the official claim made ever since 1947, that "these objects demonstrate no threat to national security."

:o  Really?

Shutting down our nuclear silos at will?

::) ok then.

You want official documents about  UFOs and Nuclear Weapons?

Robert Hastings has them right here -

http://www.ufohastings.com/documents (http://www.ufohastings.com/documents)

Nuclear Weapons Laboratories
ICBM Sites
Witness Affidavits
Letters
Miscellaneous

Leave it to you to bring up facts and 'Official Documents'.   :P

I still say they are PLASMA CRITTERS looking for a meal and tripping those old sensors by their presence :P

Show me ONE Alien and I may change my mind :P 

The government is just not that efficienct that they can keep it ALL hidden... in fact lately they are showing themselves to self serving fools. 

So I will place my bets on the CRITTERS  until proven otherwise

8)

Quote from: zorgon on July 21, 2016, 04:20:20 AM
I still say they are PLASMA CRITTERS looking for a meal and tripping those old sensors by their presence :

This one from Minot AFB looks a bit freaky.


(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/8313a00200bd.png)

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=7112.0

Quote from: zorgon on July 21, 2016, 04:20:20 AM

Show me ONE Alien and I may change my mind :P 

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There ya go!  :P

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Bwahahahahah   :P

Ok I just finished reading his book, 'UFOs and Nukes' and it turns out he confirms I was right all along.

(http://www.ufohastings.com/img/book-cover.png)


Those of you who keep up on my 'Day Before Roswell' thread know that I have long suspected that all the sightings in 1947 being located at or near all the different ' hot' Manhattan Project locations, was no coincidence.

For a while here on the forum we had different discussions on why it took them 2 years to get here after the Trinity test, or the Bombs dropped on Japan, if it was our first nuclear detonations that attracted their attention.

Not long ago I posted recently declassified documents detailing UFO sightings in 1945 at the Hanford Plant the same weekend as the Trinity test, so the 2 year gap it took them to arrive was now closed.

They were watching from the very get go.

This also helps answer the question I hear asked 'So why did just the US have all these sightings in 1947, what was so special about them to the Aliens?'

The record now shows they were and are, quite concerned with our nuclear weapon capabilities, and what methods we have in raining down these weapons upon our neighbors. 

Hasting's book shows his clever method of obtaining these hard to get reports from military bases and operations through the side door, from the men who were personally assigned to the locations these events occurred.

I rate his book (published 2008) as a major milestone in UFO research. It answers many aspects of the UFO enigma that we query.

I am impressed enough with his research and the witnesses he uncovered, that I am going to check out his new movie -

https://vimeo.com/ondemand/ufosandnukes/160920820 (https://vimeo.com/ondemand/ufosandnukes/160920820)

...and will get back to you with a review.

eta: One interesting detail to emerge from his book was, we as a matter of course, flew planes near and in the path of the radioactive fallout from all our tests, and monitor the jetstream fallout as it drifted eastward over the US, and when UFO's were present at these tests, they would send small green fireballs into the fallout jetstreams, and do the same apparently for the same reasons we did.

Small green fireballs were also the primary 'Foo Fighter' sighted during WWII, and again the primary type of sighting in 1948 and 49.

There were also plenty of small green (and other color) fireball sightings in 1947, but I have reserved those for a separate chapter of their own, focusing instead on the silver sports models with incredible performance.

Anyway Robert documents the continued monitoring and even tampering with our ICBM's right up to the present day of the book's publishing.

Same thing happened to the Russian Nuclear weapons program.


I think it's safe to say there is a pattern here.  8)

Quote from: A51Watcher on July 26, 2016, 06:15:05 AM
Ok I just finished reading his book, 'UFOs and Nukes' and it turns out he confirms I was right all along.

(http://www.ufohastings.com/img/book-cover.png)


Those of you who keep up on my 'Day Before Roswell' thread know that I have long suspected that all the sightings in 1947 being located at or near all the different ' hot' Manhattan Project locations, was no coincidence.

For a while here on the forum we had different discussions on why it took them 2 years to get here after the Trinity test, or the Bombs dropped on Japan, if it was our first nuclear detonations that attracted their attention.

Not long ago I posted recently declassified documents detailing UFO sightings in 1945 at the Hanford Plant the same weekend as the Trinity test, so the 2 year gap it took them to arrive was now closed.

They were watching from the very get go.

This also helps answer the question I hear asked 'So why did just the US have all these sightings in 1947, what was so special about them to the Aliens?'

The record now shows they were and are, quite concerned with our nuclear weapon capabilities, and what methods we have in raining down these weapons upon our neighbors. 

Hasting's book shows his clever method of obtaining these hard to get reports from military bases and operations through the side door, from the men who were personally assigned to the locations these events occurred.

I rate his book (published 2008) as a major milestone in UFO research. It answers many aspects of the UFO enigma that we query.

I am impressed enough with his research and the witnesses he uncovered, that I am going to check out his new movie -

https://vimeo.com/ondemand/ufosandnukes/160920820 (https://vimeo.com/ondemand/ufosandnukes/160920820)

...and will get back to you with a review.

eta: One interesting detail to emerge from his book was, we as a matter of course, flew planes near and in the path of the radioactive fallout from all our tests, and monitor the jetstream fallout as it drifted eastward over the US, and when UFO's were present at these tests, they would send small green fireballs into the fallout jetstreams, and do the same apparently for the same reasons we did.

Small green fireballs were also the primary 'Foo Fighter' sighted during WWII, and again the primary type of sighting in 1948 and 49.

There were also plenty of small green (and other color) fireball sightings in 1947, but I have reserved those for a separate chapter of their own, focusing instead on the silver sports models with incredible performance.

Anyway Robert documents the continued monitoring and even tampering with our ICBM's right up to the present day of the book's publishing.

Same thing happened to the Russian Nuclear weapons program.


I think it's safe to say there is a pattern here.  8)

and what of all of the other UFO reports pre 1947 ? I don't think Nukes were the only drawing force , well maybe for some, but reports of flying craft have been regular for hundreds of years prior .. motive ? :D

funbox

Quote from: funbox on July 26, 2016, 10:47:16 AM
and what of all of the other UFO reports pre 1947 ? I don't think Nukes were the only drawing force , well maybe for some, but reports of flying craft have been regular for hundreds of years prior .. motive ? :D

funbox

There was nothing prior to 1947 that produced literally hundreds of reports that made the newspapers in a matter of a year or two.

Quote from: Pimander on July 26, 2016, 02:45:04 PM
There was nothing prior to 1947 that produced literally hundreds of reports that made the newspapers in a matter of a year or two.

I think Charles Fort would heartily disagree with you on that , or are you referring to notoriety of the crash in 1947. or Kenneth's skipping saucers ?

but then, I haven't heard of a modern day report of slow falling hail, yet many incidents with multitudes of witnesses have occurred in the past.. I wonder why that stopped happening ? :D

funbox

Quote from: funbox on July 26, 2016, 02:51:18 PM
I think Charles Fort would heartily disagree with you on that , or are you referring to notoriety of the crash in 1947. or Kenneth's skipping saucers ?

Fort would be wrong then.

I'm not disputing that there were reports prior to 1947.  I am referring to the volume of reports.  The volume of reports was much higher from 1947, certainly in the USA  - where nukes first appeared.  This is a matter of historical fact not speculation.

QuotePROJECT 1947 is an attempt to enhance the future of UFO research by establishing a solid collection of official UFO documents, newspaper articles and personal accounts from the beginning of the modern UFO era

http://www.project1947.com/

Jan Aldrich did not call it "Project 1947" without very good reason. ::)

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I'm not disputing that there were reports prior to 1947.  I am referring to the volume of reports.  The volume of reports was much higher from 1947, certainly in the USA  - where nukes first appeared.  This is a matter of historical fact not speculation.

fair enough, but how many reports are we talking? hundreds of separate craft sightings , or the same craft zipping about , or a multitude of crafts , or even morphogenic craft, one size fits all ?

yet with all this activity it doesn't suggest what they were doing pre atomic ,  I can see why they might get excited about nukes and bombs etc , but where does their concern lie ? spoiled stock? or a sincere concern over sentience?

funbox

Quote from: funbox on July 26, 2016, 03:18:43 PM
fair enough, but how many reports are we talking? hundreds of separate craft sightings , or the same craft zipping about , or a multitude of crafts , or even morphogenic craft, one size fits all ?

Some reports are of a single craft, some are of 3 craft, many are of a multitude of craft in formation, we even have several reports of a huge mothership with small craft going in and out of it.

The amount of reports are in the hundreds.

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yet with all this activity it doesn't suggest what they were doing pre atomic ,  I can see why they might get excited about nukes and bombs etc , but where does their concern lie ? spoiled stock? or a sincere concern over sentience?

The pre atomic reports are few and far between.

The sudden flurry of reports in 1947 indicate our use of nukes was like stirring the hornets nest and suddenly we had overt sightings day and night that year.

Given the information now in our possession that they performed 65 different genetic upgrades on our species over thousands of years, I would say their concern lies in spoiled stock or even a spoiled species.

have you guys read Fort's Books ? 'the book of the damned'. 'lo!', 'weird talents' and 'new lands' ?

just to see what you see so to speak :D

funbox

Quote from: funbox on July 26, 2016, 05:35:24 PM
have you guys read Fort's Books ? 'the book of the damned'. 'lo!', 'weird talents' and 'new lands' ?

just to see what you see so to speak :D

funbox

Sure. As Pim mentioned we are aware of many pre atomic reports such as Fort's books as well as 60,000 Year old Aboriginal cave and rock paintings -

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=8302.0 (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=8302.0)

and also biblical paintings -

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=8548.0 (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=8548.0)


But comparatively, over time these are relatively few and far between.

The modern UFO era, as this is dubbed, has been much more overtly scrutinizing our activities in detail than in previous times.

Quote from: A51Watcher on July 26, 2016, 06:13:06 PM
The pre atomic reports are few and far between.

People were spaced out a bit more back then, I would bet many who saw things didn't tell anyone or told their Families and it stopped right there. Not many going to call the news and report so where would they report anything in those days?

TV did give you ideas yet just radio. Ideas for what you may have seen. If I had seen the group of nine or so lights that we watched slowly drop down in an isolated forest in the mountains in the early morning hours at Lake Lemolo Oregon, back then I would have had to think spooky spirit things or something not having heard of UFO's. I would never have told anyone as I have only told people online.

QuoteTelevision sales took off in the late 1940s following the start of individual stations in the largest cities. Only in such heavily populated places was the relatively high cost of starting and operating a station considered economically viable. TV set ownership thus initially possessed a big-city or, more accurately, metropolitan-area bias. Of the 102,000 TV sets in the United States in early 1948, two-thirds were in the New York area, from which most of the first TV stations operated.

http://www.lib.niu.edu/1993/ihy930341.html

green fireballs are probably copper oxide flares.
they are not foo fighters.all ufos glow but not all glows are ufos.
thankyou op for report and i too want your review of vimeo vid before i waste time and gig to watch.
im not downing op one bit.we just expect the best and as you know,pegasus is hard core.again thankyou A51watcher.

Quote from: Dyna on July 26, 2016, 06:22:49 PM
People were spaced out a bit more back then, I would bet many who saw things didn't tell anyone or told their Families and it stopped right there. Not many going to call the news and report so where would they report anything in those days?

TV did give you ideas yet just radio. Ideas for what you may have seen. If I had seen the group of nine or so lights that we watched slowly drop down in an isolated forest in the mountains in the early morning hours at Lake Lemolo Oregon, back then I would have had to think spooky spirit things or something not having heard of UFO's. I would never have told anyone as I have only told people online.
http://www.lib.niu.edu/1993/ihy930341.html

Good points Dyna.

Only 'the modern UFO era' has the perspective of technology to view these craft from.

Before such perspective they were viewed through the perspective of the day, in which superstition often played a part, as spooky spirit things or sky boats of the gods or whatever.

Surely many reports are missing for exactly the reasons you mention.

Quote from: robomont on July 26, 2016, 06:53:31 PM
green fireballs are probably copper oxide flares.
they are not foo fighters.all ufos glow but not all glows are ufos.
thankyou op for report and i too want your review of vimeo vid before i waste time and gig to watch.
im not downing op one bit.we just expect the best and as you know,pegasus is hard core.again thankyou A51watcher.

You are welcome Robo. but the credit (and gfy) for this thread goes to Sky as OP!

Having been immersed in my own research projects for many years now and racing to complete them for release, I have not had time to keep up properly on new releases.

Getting updates from members here has been invaluable, this thread being a case in point.

I anticipate the movie will be every bit as impressive as the book is.

hey  51 or anyone

does anyone have any info on connecting the  Philadelphia Experiment/Start date October 28, 1943
with the ufo sightings?
and they had to  be setting it up before that

i've always felt that the ufo's were dimensional not galactic..but that's just me

it may be possible with the larger ships as they have more distance between points.which means higher voltages but i think it was invisibility using a/c voltage and high current.with big ropes being used as insulators /spacers to keep the cables from touching the ship.
i think 90% of the story was bs and just the physics facts are close to correct.

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i think 90% of the story was bs and just the physics facts are close to correct.

Robo
i was only using that as a date/time to consider...while i can't claim to know what if anything happened.. there is usually a crumb of something happening with those stories.. even if it is a misdirection of the public

and IF ufo's are dimensional why wouldn't messing with invisibility factors or antigravity factors cause interest at the very  least..especially with the methods they were attempting.

someone tosses a bomb in your neighborhood you usually go look out of curiosity..don't ya?

it's all conjecture and opinion on my part  ::)

Quote from: space otter on July 27, 2016, 01:23:54 AM

hey  51 or anyone

does anyone have any info on connecting the  Philadelphia Experiment/Start date October 28, 1943
with the ufo sightings?
and they had to  be setting it up before that

i've always felt that the ufo's were dimensional not galactic..but that's just me

Well the first book published early on before the subject became widely known and embellished beyond belief by others, reports a crew member on the deck saw a clear portal like a large teardrop materialize before him, and there appeared to be an alien seated at a console who looked to be as surprised to see him as he was to see it.

That may be the connection you are remembering.

Quote from: A51Watcher on July 27, 2016, 05:27:44 AM
Well the first book published early on before the subject became widely known and embellished beyond belief by others, reports a crew member on the deck saw a clear portal like a large teardrop materialize before him, and there appeared to be an alien seated at a console who looked to be as surprised to see him as he was to see it.

I've been looking for that reference for some time.  I haven't even found the book, let alone the reference, so far.  If anyone can help there I'd be delighted.

Finding the date that book was written is important to me.

gez guys..

51
  i haven't read any books on it and if that IS A MEMORY i don't recall it yikes..
but the tear drop thing makes me think of the rocks in mexico..
and that i have seen that somewhwere
lol the circle enlarges

pim
  here are  some links  cause i don't know the name of the book you are looking for
with a name i might be better able to search

https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=books+on+the+philadelphia+experiment

https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=books+on+the+philadelphia+experiment&tbm=shop

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/montauk/rainbow/philadelphia_experiment.htm

and Z probably has more info..i'll go take a look
edit to add.. yep type it into the search  lots of angles to choose from

i got berlitz book but not teardrop story,first i heard of it.
the annotated book was published across the street from my uncles factory,berlitz book gave a name and i did a yellowpage lookup and got number,called number and got chewed out for calling it.libby or litton.my guess is litton microwave bulbs for sport model as some blueprints have glass microwave bulb as flux capacitor.
yes bac to the future gave all the basics.the giant speaker was reference to the mag coil and how it can be run by speaker amplifier.almost all the secrets to ufo propulsion are in that movie

Quote from: space otter on July 27, 2016, 01:23:54 AM

hey  51 or anyone

does anyone have any info on connecting the  Philadelphia Experiment/Start date October 28, 1943
with the ufo sightings?
and they had to  be setting it up before that

i've always felt that the ufo's were dimensional not galactic..but that's just me

I had never thought of that possible connection! Interesting!

well here i sit in front of  a fan and laughing at what i have  found about the philadelphia experiement..

the guy who supposedly wrote the letters  Carlos Miguel Allende /Carl Allen
lived in new kensington, pa  about 15 minutes away from where i am now
edit to clarify..sorry it was ambiguous
so i am now going after a different line of inquiry
just a while back A51 referenced some others near by who witnessed ufos and had articles presented in the pgh press at that time..
i must be in a vortex area..bwhahahahahahahahahah

the Allens and  Goerman now on my radar






http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/time_travel/esp_ciencia_timetravel08a.htm

The Philadelphia Experiment by Charles Frambach Berlitz — Reviews ...
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Origins of the story[edit]Morris Jessup and Carlos Miguel Allende[edit] This section does not cite any sources. Please help improve this section by adding citations to reliable sources. Unsourced material may be challenged and removed. (February 2011) (Learn how and when to remove this template message)

In 1955, Morris K. Jessup, an astronomer and former graduate-level researcher, published The Case for the UFO, a book about unidentified flying objects that contains some theories about the different means of propulsion that flying-saucer-style UFOs might use. Jessup speculated that antigravity, or the manipulation of electromagnetism, might be responsible for the observed flight behavior of UFOs. He lamented, both in the book and during the publicity tour that followed, thatspace flight research was concentrated in the area of rocketry, and that little attention had been paid to other theoretical means of flight, which he felt might ultimately be more fruitful. Jessup emphasized that a breakthrough revision of Albert Einstein's "Unified Field Theory" would be critical in powering a future generation of spacecraft.

On January 13, 1955, Jessup received a letter from a man who identified himself as one "Carlos Allende." In the letter, Allende informed Jessup of the "Philadelphia Experiment," alluding to two poorly sourced contemporary newspaper articles as proof. Allende directly responded to Jessup's call for research on the "Unified Field Theory," which he referred to as "UFT." According to Allende, Einstein had developed the theory, but had suppressed it, since mankind was not ready for it — a confession that the scientist allegedly shared with the mathematician and philosopher Bertrand Russell. Allende also said that he had witnessed the Eldridge appear and disappear while serving aboard the SS Andrew Furuseth, a nearby merchant ship. Allende named other crew members with whom he served aboard theAndrew Furuseth, and claimed to know the fate of some of the crew members of the Eldridge after the experiment, including one whom he witnessed disappearing during a chaotic fight in a bar. Although Allende claimed to have observed the experiment while on the Andrew Furuseth, he provided no substantiation of his other claims linking the experiment with the Unified Field Theory, no evidence of Einstein's alleged theory, and no proof of Einstein's alleged private confession to Russell.

Jessup replied to Allende by a postcard, asking for further evidence and corroboration. The reply arrived months later, with the correspondent identifying himself as "Carl M. Allen."

Allen said that he could not provide the details for which Jessup was asking, but he implied that he might be able to recall some by means ofhypnosis. Suspecting that Allende/Allen might be an impostor, Jessup discontinued the correspondence.

Office of Naval Research and the Varo annotation
rest here     :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philadelphia_Experiment



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http://www.crystalinks.com/PhiladelphiaExperiment.html

go down to here

Notes on the Philadelphia Experiment





Carlos Miguel Allende, also known as Carl Allen, was an odd man. He was born on May 31, 1925 in a small town outside of Pennsylvania. On July 14, 1942, Allende joined the Marine Corps and was discharged on May 21, 1943 (Taken from the book titled The Philadelphia Experiment, pg 99). He then joined the Merchant Marine and was assigned to the SS Andrew Furuseth. It was upon this ship that he claimed to see the Eldridge in action.



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http://www.unmuseum.org/philex.htm

o ifsAllende confession the end of the tale? Not quite. In 1979 William Moore and Charles Berlitz wrote a book called "The Philadelphia Experiment." In the book they suggested that Allende's confession may have been false. They also included a copy of what appeared to be a newspaper article from 1943. The book infers that the sailors mentioned in the article were suffering after effects of "The Philadelphia Experiment." The headline read:

Strange Circumstances Surround Tavern Brawl



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http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/philadelphia_experiment.htm

Allende's letters were filled with cryptic references and mailed from an assortment of locales around America. They can be read on-line atwww.wincom.net/~softarts/PHILEXP/CM_ALLEN.TXT . Jessup eventually dismissed Allende as a crank until in 1957 he was contacted by Capt. Sidney Sherby and Comdr. George Hoover, two officers from the Office of Naval Research. They had received a copy of Jessup's book with strange annotations in the margins about a vanishing ship, aliens and other anomalies. The officers from ONR asked Jessup to travel to Washington D.C. to meet with them and discuss what the annotations might mean. When Jessup got there he was surprised to see that the annotations appeared to be from Allende although they had been written in three different colored inks as though three separate individuals had been writing comments.

Jessup had no idea what to make of it and was a little unsettled by the interest that these ONR officers had in the writing, especially about the ship that was made invisible and it's crew severely injured. The officers even paid Varo Inc. to reprint copies of the annotated version of Jessup's book and had them passed around ONR for consideration. Jessup confided in his friend Ivan Sanderson that he felt the officers might want to try the experiment again. Meanwhile Jessup's life began to be plagued by what he called "strange coincidences." He began to complain about his health. and his research efforts took a turn for the worse. In 1959 he was found dead in his car from carbon monoxide poisoning and declared a suicide without the benefit of an autopsy. Many believe to this day that he was actually murdered, with Allende left roaming the country to escape the same fate.

The Office of Naval Research has created a number of form "response" letters over the years to handle public inquiries into the Philadelphia Experiment. The latest version can be found at www.onr.navy.mil/foia/PhillyExp.htm. Somewhat embarrassed by all the attention drawn to them by the activities of the now long gone officers, and having not been in existence at the time of the experiment, the ONR has had to handle the lion's share of public requests for clarification and information. Until 1996 they had no trouble shrugging off accusations of cover-up with simple explanations about degaussing and misunderstandings about the word "invisible." They contend that the legend got started based on the routine task of demagnetizing or "degaussing" the ships so as to be "invisible" to magnetic mines and torpedoes. Echoing this position on "The Unexplained," as an official representative of the US. Navy, was US. naval historian John Reilly. Reilly stated that, as far as he knew, the navy never experimented with making ships invisible with magnetic fields. The navy has been long indirectly assisted in these apologetic efforts by the usual gaggle of disinforments.

"The Unexplained" featured an interview with researcher Robert Goerman, saying that he solved the mystery of the Philadelphia Experiment by a discovery he made about Carlos Allende. A writer from Pennsylvania who penned articles for pulp UFO magazines in the '70s, Goerman considered himself to be "a player," at least an also-ran amongst the galaxy of name UFO researchers of the time. When the book, "The Philadelphia Experiment: Project Invisibility," by William Moore and Charles Berlitz came out in 1979, Goerman was motivated to do his own investigation but in a different direction. Instead of checking into the new information and science that the book mentioned, he latched onto Allende because of a quirk of fate - his parents were neighbors of the parents of Allende. Furthermore, Allende's real name was Allen, Carl Meredith Allen. Goerman's daughter used to visit the Allens and it was just by chance that he discovered that they were in fact the family of the elusive Philadelphia Experiment "witness."

After agreeing to keep certain information about the family confidential, the Allens allowed Goerman to review various cards, letters, and other things that Carl had sent to his family. They described Carl as "a leg puller," and someone who was very intelligent but lacked the discipline to achieve his full potential. It was clear from the items that Goerman looked over that Carl would annotate everything. He was even quirkier and more eccentric than he had ever imagined. Armed with this new information, Goerman was convinced that he had the truth, especially after having conversations with Carl himself. Ignoring all other available information, Goerman wrote "Alias: Carlos Allende" and it was published in "Fate" magazine in 1980, now archived on the internet at www.parascope.com/en/articles/allende.htm . But Goerman's article was not well received by others in the UFO community. He has remained bitter about this, accusing those who ignore or disagree with his analysis as only being interested in "selling their books." An accusation that Goerman made on "The Unexplained" and intentionally or not, inferred this as a motive of the wrong researcher.

"I know the applicable laws, how to operate with law enforcement, do investigations, have a badge and I.D., weapons, the whole nine yards and all legal. I'm versed in psy-ops, surveillance, counter-surveillance, stings, non-lethal weapons. I know how and can intervene in a felony in progress and execute arrest procedures until law enforcement arrives. I've actually been involved in cases against pedophiles, a rouge psychic spy, Men In Black related activity, potential terrorism related to Y2K that threatens national security. No cops or state police have complained so far. I think that earns me the 'special'." So says Marshall Barnes, Special Civilian Investigator Marshall Barnes who "The Unexplained" had contacted through his book distributor because he was described as an expert on the Philadelphia Experiment. Under the pretext of trying to get to the truth, Mark Caras allegedly got Marshall to agree to appear on the show and not allow arguments that Marshall had disproved to go unchallenged.


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varo corp.garland texas,down road from T.I.
ti retirees are masons living around me,mostly specializing in microwave.i was attacked by mason using microwave for last 15 years.until 5-5-2016 when i shut him down.across street from me.
i have berlitz book and montauk book.maybe case for ufo book.library too big to find right now.
ti bought my uncles blank chips and imprinted them with circuits.
gallium arsenide,which is good against emp and may be good inside ufos,he learned technique while at penn university.to grow them.on football scholarship.
invisibility just means bending light and light has magnetic function as does all frequencies.
whats ironic is i gave berlitz book to my dad for birthday present while he worked for my uncle and i knew nothing of any of this.i was in 8th grade at time.which kinda proves my strong psychic tendencies,lol.

microwave is regularly brought up in my research of ufo tech.when i run numbers,the frequency keeps coming up.
so im thinking a microwave magnetron attached to a solenoid coil wrapped around circumference of disc may be half of the ufo equation,as its not the wave thats so much needed as the frequency thats needed.
in some prints,the germans had a bulb.this bulb would short to top pole of craft.this way both magnetism and poles were at same frequency with magnetism lagging.
plus this shows ufo had cyclotron frequency as cyclotron just means the poles and the magnetic field are in resonance/equal.

as light is above this frequency,odds are a newer way of increasing frequency came out in the 80s that pushed the cyclotron frequency to uv,above visible light.which is why the water in ocean zemonized as berlitz book called it.extreme uv applied to ocean water.thus boiling the water and burning anybody outside ship with uv,maybe melting skin and then welding skin to hull.as its basically jello at that point.

so i guess SO,you and me are in resonance,lol.
talk about coincidences.

Quote from: space otter on July 27, 2016, 02:14:55 PM
pim
  here are  some links  cause i don't know the name of the book you are looking for
with a name i might be better able to search

I've been specifically looking for the guy seeing the alien at a console.... I have tried several times over the years to find where that story came from to no avail. :)

It matters to me as I am interested investigating what connects between UFOs and other material apart from books written by spooks.

stars on the earth,maybe.goo search brought it up.

also we should be looking for burn victims at bethesda records from navy from that time period.

QuoteI've been specifically looking for the guy seeing the alien at a console.... I have tried several times over the years to find where that story came from to no avail. :)

well as 51 brought it up perhaps  we only need to wait for him to chime in on that

me- i'm playing around with the local connection and just chuckling at the way things turn out..
my search has gotten me pages to look thur
https://www.google.com/#q=Carl+Meredith+Allen.+new+kensington%2C+pa


just one with a pic of old carl.. looks a bit like tesla...
http://rr0.org/people/a/AllenCarlMeredith/

let's bombard 51 with pm's  ;)

robo can enjoy this

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/time_travel/esp_ciencia_timetravel08a.htm



Real Results of PX
Al Bielek, author of "The Philadelphia Experiment" Interviewed
by Jeanne Guthrie


Al Bielek in underground at Montauk Project

Guthrie (LE): Tell us about the history of the Philadelphia Experiment. You and your brother, Duncan, were naval officers aboard the ship, the Eldridge, engaged in an experiment about invisibility. Then, what happened?

Bielek: There were two tests, the first one on July 22nd, 1943. The hardware worked very well and they (the Navy) achieved invisibility from radar, sight and camera. The big problem was that the personnel stationed on the deck of the Eldridge were very badly hit by the high-powered, electromagnetic radiation. They were thoroughly disoriented. Their nervous systems dysfunctioned, and they became very ill.

LE: How do you make an object invisible?

Bielek: Displace it in time. Prevent a reflection of light or radar energy from it. If there is no reflected light and radar energy, you are not going to see it. The scientists were working with a concept of manipulating time to make an object invisible.

LE: What happened to you and to Duncan?

Bielek: We were inside the control room during the experiment. The radiation had no effect on those of us who were below deck because we were shielded by the steel.

LE: Even with the personnel problem the Navy scheduled a second test in less than a month, right?

Bielek: Yes. They (the Navy) said: "Okay. You have until the 12th of August. Do whatever you need to do to complete the experiment. This test must be finished by that date, or just forget it." It was a drop-dead date, which means finish by then or you just don't bother. They did say that they really didn't need optical invisibility, only radar. They still said that we had to meet that date. Everybody was very unhappy about it because they knew the health problem was very serious. No one knew how long it would take to solve this problem.

LE: How was the second test different from the first one?

Bielek: This one, unlike the first, was very successful in that we obtained radar invisibility after about seventy seconds. Unbeknownst to us in the control room, the ship vanished right out of the (Philadelphia) harbor. There was a nice big hole where the ship was in the water. Remember that for the second test they didn't want optical invisibility, only radar.

LE: They were not attempting to get optical invisibility, but it happened anyway?

Bielek: They only wanted radar invisibility. The ship was a haze... then "poof".... it was gone! Even the water line disappeared.

LE: Where did the ship go?

Bielek: Into hyper space.

LE: Will you define that for our readers?

Bielek: Mathematically speaking, it is a domain that is outside of our normal, three-dimensional reality. In fact, it is outside of the sixth-dimensional reality. There are three physical dimensions as we see them, and there are three time dimensions. So, the ship was outside our domain, including time. Hyper space is a nice mathematical term that says it is no where in terms of our reality. No one can accurately define where it is.

LE: Okay. The ship is in hyper space. Now what happens?

Bielek: The equipment started to go haywire after about 30 seconds. We (Bielek and his brother, Duncan) were seeing strange effects in the control room.

LE: Exactly what did you see?

Bielek: The banks of electron tubes----3000 of them in racks----started to glow in an unstable way. It was wavering, which was very unusual. Then we started getting some high voltage archovers, like many lightning bolts, even though there was no high voltage equipment in the room to cause such an effect. We tried to get someone on the radio, but we heard only static. We were on our own, so we decided to turn the equipment down. We went for the main power control handles, but they were frozen. At that time we decided to get out of the control room and to go up on deck.

LE: What did you see when you went on deck?

Bielek: A greenish haze. Sailors walking around. There was great confusion.

LE: What was happening to the other sailors?

Bielek: They were running around in circles like they were totally disoriented. They didn't know where they were or what to do.... acting almost to the point of being crazy, but not quite. Obviously, they were very disturbed or neurotic. Duncan and I looked at this and decided to jump overboard and swim to shore.

LE: Why didn't you stay at your post?

Bielek: Because we couldn't shut down the equipment. We went up on deck, saw what was happening, and jumped overboard. Only we never hit the water.

LE: You were floating in hyper space at that time?

Bielek: We were floating someplace. It felt like we were falling through a tunnel. We didn't know where we were or what was going on. We experienced what seemed like two minutes of this.... and I have to be totally subjective on the amount of time.... we would up in a military base, standing on our feet, at night, with a chain link fence to our back.

LE: What was the name of the military base?

Bielek: The Montauk base on Long Island, New York. Only we didn't know it at the time. The next thing we knew there was a helicopter beaming a searchlight into our faces. We did not know what a helicopter was; they were still in the experimental phases in 1943. Military police ran out, grabbed us, and took us to a building. We went down several floors in an elevator, underground. An elderly civilian walked toward us and said, "Gentlemen. I've been waiting for you. I'm Dr. Von Neumann."

LE: How did you feel at this point?

Bielek: We didn't believe him. We told him that he couldn't be John Von Neumann because he is a much younger man and we left him about an hour ago. He said, "Oh, yes. I am. Unfortunately, you are no longer in 1943. This is 1983. I am 40 years older. Welcome to Montauk. This is the Phoenix Project." We still didn't believe him.

LE: What did you believe?

Bielek: We thought the guy was nuts!

LE: Did you ever think that you were taken from the ship, brainwashed, and placed in this very unusual scenario?

Bielek: A lot of thoughts went through our heads at that time. We were confused and agitated. Then he (Von Neumann) took us for a "cook's tour" of the underground facility. And that is when we saw all kinds of computers, tape recorders, large screen displays, hard drives and similar equipment.

LE: Things that obviously did not exist in 1943.

Bielek: There was no such thing as even a tape recorder in the U.S. in 1943. We did not recognize any of this equipment. After the tour we watched color TV on a large screen. WE had only seen black and white (TV) up to that point. The commercials were particularly interesting. The one that sticks out in my mind was about flying to Hawaii for your next vacation in a 747 jet. There were no such jets in 1943!

LE: Seems like you were pretty emotional.

Bielek: We were getting quite upset and decided maybe the old man was Von Neumann and maybe we were in the future! We were then taken upstairs and outside where we were given a short tour of the base. But, we were not allowed to leave. They took us back to Von Neumann, who said, "Gentlemen, we have a problem. Your ship, the Eldridge, is still in hyperspace, and the bubble around it is growing. We can turnoff the equipment here at Montauk, but your ship's equipment is still running and feeding the hyperspace bubble. Unless it breaks down, there is enough fuel on board to run the generator for 30 days."

LE: What would happen if the hyperspace had continued to grow?

Bielek: He told us that it could grow large enough to engulf the entire planet.

LE: So, the Earth would be in hyperspace somewhere past the sixth dimension?

Bielek: Yes, out of our normal space. Who knows what would happen then. So, they had to do something to prevent it from growing. They decided to send us back to the ship so we could smash the equipment. They said that they had complete control over space and time at Montauk, and that they could send us anywhere and to any time.

LE: They had a time machine that you walked into and were transported elsewhere?

Bielek: Yes. They did. It was a time tunnel, actually more than a time machine. We didn't believe them, but they did send us back to the deck of the Eldridge with instructions to smash the equipment anyway that we could, in order to turn it off.

LE: One minute you were watching color TV. The next minute they are sending you and Duncan back to the ship deck full of crazy sailors. How did that make you feel?

Bielek: Not very good. We went back to the ship to smash the equipment, not really knowing what was going to happen.

LE: How did you destroy the machines?

Bielek: We got axes and started smashing tubes, tube banks, and smaller equipment. Eventually, the generator wound down.

LE: And you returned to third dimensional reality?

Bielek: Before the ship re-emerged in the harbor, however, we went out on deck and saw sailors buried in the steel deck and bulkhead. One of them was our younger brother.

LE: Why did people get stuck in the walls?

Bielek: Because of the process of re-materializing out of hyperspace into our reality. As the fields collapsed, the molecular structure of the sailor's bodies was also shifting. If they were moving around, and a lot of them were, they would be in a fluid state until they re-materialized. If they were floating around hear a wall when it re-materialized, they would be stuck in it.

LE: How did you and Duncan escape this tragedy?

Bielek: We didn't, totally. Our little brother Jim died that way (stuck in steel). And Duncan didn't stay (on board). He jumped overboard again, before the fields finally collapsed, and would up someplace in 1983 or around that time period.

LE: Did Duncan leave again because of what happened to your brother Jim?

Bielek: Yes. Jim died when he got stuck in a bulkhead. Duncan disappeared back into the future. I stayed there (on board ship), and eventually the fields re-materialized.

LE: You could have jumped overboard too.

Bielek: I could have. Duncan was expecting me to. I didn't for one reason. I saw Jim there, crying, with his head and shoulders out of the steel. So, I put my arms around him and he died that way.

LE: You lost both of your brothers and traveled forty years in time. That's enough to drive the average Joe on the street crazy.

Bielek: Yes, if it were the "average Joe on the street," he probably would have gone insane. I stayed sane, perhaps, because of my naval training. Maybe I was selected for the job by somebody who know more than I did. I often speculated, "Why me?"

LE: Why do you think?

Bielek: Maybe because of my father. He had been a career Navy man. He also was smuggling Jewish scientists out of Germany during WWII. One of them happen to be Herman C. Untermann, who later became director of the Montauk Project from 1977 to 1983.

LE: Where you were in 1983 did you find out who won the war (WWII) and bring back some military information?

Bielek: Oh, yes. They told us we had won the war, and were in a Cold War with Russia, and had been on the moon.

LE: Did they tell you anything that could change events?

Bielek: No. There is a problem with doing that, called the time-loop. Our being there physically (in the future) violated the flow of time and created time ripples. If we had brought back knowledge to change the history of the war or speed it up we could have caused a closed-loop time paradox, in which interfering with the past sufficiently could change the future. In doing so, the person in the future could have changed where he had been.

LE: What is the "present" when you travel in time?

Bielek: The "present" is where you are. Your reference is where you were born. A "time lock" occurs at the time of conception. Even if you move up and down the time stream, you still have the same reference point.

LE: Why do you think this happened to you and Duncan?

Bielek: We've never been able to answer that. It may have been planned, but not by us or anyone else on the ship. There were two others who jumped overboard, but they disintegrated.

LE: What differences did you sense about yourself when you went back to 1943?

Bielek: My mental outlook had drastically changed. Physically I did not feel any difference.

LE: Did you witness any alien intervention?

Bielek: I did not see any aliens in 1943. We found out since then that they (aliens) were there. I have a picture of Valiant Thor, a being from beneath the surface of Venus, taken from the Eldridge. I plan to show that photograph at the Asheville, North Carolina Expo. However, the aliens were heavily involved with Montauk. They were there---visible---mostly from 1973 to 1983, assisting with the time tunnels.

LE: How did the aliens benefit?

Bielek: The aliens were the ones who transmitted the drop-dead date of August 12, 1943 down the chain of command working on the Philadelphia Experiment. When the time travel occurred it caused a rift in space-time, but it did not destroy it. That hole allowed alien ships from other domains to come through in large numbers and sizes. The rift was created when Montauk locked with the Philadelphia Experiment. But, they (the government) couldn't have done so without the alien help, especially for the super hardware needed.

LE: So, that is why you conclude that aliens were involved with the project in 1943?

Bielek: Yes, to allow the two experiments to lock.

LE: Do you consider these aliens to be of a negative nature?

Bielek: Basically, yes.

LE: What proof do you have of the alien intervention?

Bielek: The government does have photos. Physically, I saw the aliens when I was in the Montauk underground.

LE: You are very vocal about what you know. Why do you think you are not interfered with?

Bielek: Perhaps because of my time travel with Duncan and the time-loop problem. They (the government) doesn't dare touch us until 2003.

LE: Why 2003?

Bielek: It is 20 years after the 1983 incident. Time equations show that, because of the Earth's biorhythms, it takes 20 years for the whole thing to stabilize down to the way it was before any of this happened. We don't have to worry about the past, just the future. If this time-hole isn't dampened by something in 2003 it could flare up again and get worse.

LE: Are you and Duncan the "dampening factor?"

Bielek: Yes.

LE: What happens if you die before 2003?

Bielek: Depending on how close it is to 2003, the effect could be a very unstabilizing and unsettling event for Earth.

LE: That's a big statement. If you go, so does the Earth?

Bielek: The government won't let us die.

LE: Assuming that you and Duncan are still alive on August 12, 2003, what could happen?

Bielek: The whole thing becomes stable and probably shuts down, unless someone builds hardware to extend it.

LE: Is there a price on your head after August 12, 2003?

Bielek: Theoretically, there could be a price on my head now because I have been so open in talking about these projects... the Philadelphia Experiment and the Montauk Project. But, I have never been approached by a government agent and they have never threatened me. But they have threatened others.

LE: Why do you think that the government allows you to speak so openly?

Bielek: I really can't answer that. I have said enough that other people have been nailed for, but they never say "boo" to me.

LE: Why should people believe your incredible story?

Bielek: Do your own homework and research. There's a lot of documentation available.




Al Bielek on the PX
January 13, 1990 in Dallas, Texas.

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Life of Al Bielek



Al Bielek was born in 1927.  His first memories of being Al Bielek were when he was nine months old during a family Christmas party. The odd thing about his memory was that he fully understood the conversation that was taking place around the piano.

As Al went through grade school, he was know as the "walking encyclopedia".  Before graduating high school, he took an electronics test and was the only one to pass.  The Navy needed people like him during the war years and recruited him. Al later completed his education and took on various vocations in the field of electronics.  While contracting for various Military contractors, the people who worked with him began to reveal the truth about our involvement with Extra Terrestrials and PSI Ops (Psychic Operations) programs.

Strange things started to happen to Al soon afterwards.

While in Hawaii in 1956, he had a brief encounter with, who he believes now to be Mark Hammil - the actor in Star Wars. Soon after he was recruited into the Montauk Project. He would work his normal job in California, and take the underground subway to Montauk Long Island to carry out his duties there.

After the time tunnel was perfected, he would simply be teleported to the underground base and returned back to his apartment. During the 1970's, Al was the Program Director for the Psychics who manned the Montauk Chair.  Since the Montauk Boys were a key program at Montauk, Al had some influence with the Montauk Boys program. His duties were to handle the operations of the Mind Control program.  He was in regular contact with Duncan Cameron and Preston Nichols.  Stewart Swerdlow was one of the Montauk Boys programmers under Al Bielek.

In the 1980's when the time control programs were operational, Al participated in some of the time travel experiments.  Both he and Duncan traveled to Mars on several occasions.  He now remembers several other trips he took with teams to a research station in 100,000 BC, other planets to get canisters filled with Light and Dark Energy, and to the year 6037.

In January 1988, after seeing the movie "The Philadelphia Experiment", his memories started returning.  Al believes his involvement with Montauk ended with that revelation.  Over time and though meetings with Preston Nichols, Duncan Cameron, and others, many more memories returned.  Ironically, just after his memories returned, Dr. John Von Neumann tried to get in touch with him - a promise he made to Ed Cameron, should his memories ever return. Al made the decision to go public with the information about his involvement at Montauk and the Philadelphia experiment in the 1989.  He has been a prolific speaker on both radio talk shows and conferences.

He believes he has not been harmed or stopped because his time traveling experiences locked him into this timeline.  Somehow, by being here today, he, among others in the program, serve to balance the effects they produced from prior time traveling experiments.

Recorded interviews to Al Bielek:

Early years at Montauk Project





Later years at Montauk Project









Al Bielek Passed Away in Mexico on Oct. 10, 2011 at Age 84
by Ken Adachi
October 14, 2011
from Educate-Yourself Website

I received an e-mail today from Rich Grybos that Al Bielek, whose extraordinary memories surrounding the 1943 Philadelphia Experiment and the secret projects undertaken at Montauk, Long Island had kept millions of late night radio listeners enthralled for nearly two decades, had died last Monday, October 10, 2011 at 6:30 AM in Guadalajara, Mexico. Al was 84 years old and was buried at a local cemetery in Guadalajara.

Rich told me that Al's niece, Dee, expending a great deal of time and energy, had been taken care of Al in recent years after Al had become increasingly incapacitated due to a series of strokes. Rich told me that while the strokes that Al suffered prevented him from speaking clearly, Al's mind remained sharp and alert. He also said that Al continued to enjoy watching si-fi movies right up to the end.

Rich said that he had come to meet Al in 1970 through an introduction from the Scottish writer Ivan T Sanderson (1911-1973), who, Rich claimed, had great respect for Al Bielek.

Al Bielek's birth certificate is dated March 31, 1927, but whether he was "born" on that date or not depends on how much of Al's story you're willing to believe. Al has always maintained that his real identity is that of Edward Cameron, son of a career Naval officer; that he had participated in the Philadelphia Experiment of August 12, 1943; and that he had been regressed back in time to that of a 9 month old baby in California in December 1927, where he was raised as "Al Bielek" by Arthur E. and Albertina Bielek.

Al Bielek was a close friend of Phil Schneider while he was still alive and convinced Phil to go public with his story of government collusion with negative extraterrestrials, bent on installing a New World Order slave society. Phil Schneider paid the ultimate price for his patriotism and allegiance to the American people when he was murdered by covert operatives in January of 1996.

Al Bielek also gave many audio and video presentations over the years with Preston Nichols, a veteran of the Montauk Project and co-author of many books on Montauk with Peter Moon. Preston is currently living in upstate New York.

Al Bielek demonstrated an early aptitude for electronics while still in high school and later developed into quite an expert.

Quoting a portion of Rich's e-mail to me:
" As to his electronic abilities, I asked him once if he could look at a device sold by Mankind Research Unlimited (was CIA-connected I later discovered). Anyway Al proceeded to draw on the spot the entire schematic of the device! You may know that he was close friends with Bob Beck. He also was very heavily involved in ELF research during the time of the "Russian Woodpecker".
The movie, "The Philadelphia Experiment" first triggered his suppressed memories on his involvement..."

More needs to be said of the life and times of Al Bielek, but I'll wait to hear from more people who may have known Al and may wish to share their stories. Anyone wanting to send condolences to Al's family can send letters or e-mails to me and I will forward them to Rich Grybos, who will in turn, forward them to Al Bielek's niece, Dee.

At a later date, I may be able to talk to Dee directly and learn more details of Al's final years. I lost contact with Al somewhere around 2007 or 2008. He had moved from his Florida apartment to a nursing home and I didn't know how to contact him. I had many lengthy conversations with him over the phone from 2000 - 2006 and I took many notes.

He was an interesting man.


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not going for the time travel deal.thats where my physics says no.the ship didnt move so its fixed position didnt open another doorway.otherwise with the speed of everything in space,that ship would be in the abyss of space.even one water wave could have moved it millions of miles.but the invisibility i can go with.

just added more

it's all believe it or don't

Quote from: space otter on July 28, 2016, 01:49:33 AM
let's bombard 51 with pm's  ;)

I already got a reply from A51 but I'm still looking for the specific quote.

the book is online
here's the link to a pdf on it.. you can download or read it
maybe someone can find the exact quote

The Philadelphia Experiment by William Moore and Charles Berlitz 107p
www.zamandayolculuk.com/pdf-2/phila_%20experiment_by_moore&berlitz107p.pdf
on the mysteries of the world, Charles Berlitz has been questioned more frequently on the Philadelphia Experiment than on any other subject. Despite a ...





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another pdf some might find interesting

philadelphia experiment - Signal Lake
www.signallake.com/innovation/PhiladelphiaExperiment.pdf
by V Bush - ?1967 - ?Related articles
Mar 28, 1997 - 27. CORRELATION WITH THE MOORE-BERLITZ BOOK .... book by William Moore and Charles Berlitz on the Philadelphia Experiment.


a notation i found interesting  in the list of links made me wonder why that name is so familiar

The Philadelphia Experiment: ... This system was invented by a Canadian, Charles F. Goodeve, when he ..

more on Al Bielek


http://blog.world-mysteries.com/science/fantastic-philadelphia-experiment/

Al Bielek (Ed Cameron):  'It was alien technology.  We simply didn't have the theory but we had the technical expertise and capability to build the hardware to their specifications.  Our government has been working with aliens for years.'
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He (Von Neumann) taught us what Time is and how you can manipulate Time.  He taught us correct views on gravity.  Einstein completed his Unified-Field Theory in 1938.  He originally had it completed in 1929 and gave a copy to Lord Russell in England to review.  Lord Russell said 'the world is not ready for this'...perhaps the fact that you could use these equations for Time Travel.'

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   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Rlvm8SfYy8

See the Hollywood version; full movie available on YouTube that is shockingly close to true events where our fragile, electro-magnetic world was nearly torn apart!  Few understand how true the film is with characters of Von Neumann and Tesla if you look close.

In the wartime film made in 1984, David Herdeg and Jim Parker are stationed on a ship in an experiment to make it invisible to radar.  The experiment goes horribly wrong.  Herdeg and Parker are the only survivors [represented Ed and Duncan].  They both Time Travel, because of the experiment, and find themselves in the Nevada desert in the year 1984.


......................................


http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/time_travel/esp_ciencia_timetravel08a.htm



also  you have to wonder about this little gem which makes bielek  95 not 84 when he passed
it's all suspect if it is in writing and on line  imo of course

The lecturer, Alfred D. Bielek, was born in August 1916 as Edward A. Cameron, son of Alexander D. Cameron, Sr. He attended several Universities, graduating with a Ph D. in Physics (1939). Enlisting in the Navy along with his brother,

i suspect it stops time for the folks effected by it.as our brains work at 60hz.so a higher frequency or lower frequency may freeze a human.since we are high in iron,this too would aid in freezing humans.wheni was under the effects of microwave,its seemed to act like methamphetimine as i use to do a little meth in the 80s but gave it up along time ago.it also made me not hungry.so i was severely losing weight.
as mw is ghz,i can see how if field was strong enough,it may accelerate thought processes but i really doubt i was thinking in ghz range.you guys on pegasus wouldnt be able to keep up,lol.

time is relative anyways but it cannot go backwards.the whole universe would have to go backwards to catch up.so aint gonna happen.
but as is mentioned in your post,a coil and a frequency and radiation.sounds like a giant ufo to me.
odds are the navy and the other branches,werent sharing tech but all were dabbling in it at same time.from different sources.

Well actually I was thinking of Berlitz book 'The Bermuda Triangle' as the earliest book I read on the subject, but in going over it again. in the page and a half devoted to it I see no mention of the incident I recall.

pdf is available online and the report starts about page 149.

So I went back to Moore's book and no mention there either.

So... looks like I will have to dig back through my library and see which one has it, web pages say there are dozens of books on the subject so eventually it will turn up.

I'm betting the 'Commander X' version will have it.

Web pages on the subject seem to think there were 3 experiments, the first was a total dud, the 2nd was mildly successful, and the 3rd is when all hell broke loose.

I tend to shy away from the later stories that include Al Bielick, hip waders are a must for those.

But even the earlier ones are on pretty shaky ground evidence wise.

Here's some updated research -

http://www.americanantigravity.com/files/articles/Marshall-Barnes-Interview.pdf (http://www.americanantigravity.com/files/articles/Marshall-Barnes-Interview.pdf)

QuoteI tend to shy away from the later stories that include Al Bielick, hip waders are a must for those.

bwhahahahah 
51
i figured if i posted enough of his story that folks could pretty much figure that out ;D
but darn i luv'd the little sentence where his first memory was at 9 mos..
and he remember all of it after seeing the movie
but i'm having the most fun with the guy  who is local to my area..and i'v found lots of info on him

i think for comedy i am going to the mufon thing this fall..
it'll be like watching the bigfoot hunters on the tv..

maybe folk will understand my comment of believe it or don't
bwhahahahahahah

you would think if it was read you would see all the contradictions but only robo  got it and was vocal

im still hammerin away with my ufo thoughts,as yall know i got the caduceus deal im working on.well im beginning to think the top probe doesnt oscilate but can just emit a continuous charge even though the caduceus may pulse it.
if so then maybe one van de graff generator is all a ufo needs.maybe most of the power needed goes into the magnetic coil or maybe its half and half.but im still believing this is the way to success on getting one built.
im still of the belief that a stereo amp may be all i need to get the mag coil firing right.with a android app tone generator plugged into it.then i could vary frequency from my tablet in my lap via blutooth.basically the android is the speed control.

Quote from: space otter on July 28, 2016, 03:15:42 PM
a notation i found interesting  in the list of links made me wonder why that name is so familiar

If you mean V. Bush then it is Vannevar Bush.

Dr. Vannevar Bush was Truman's Chief Science Advisor and supposedly one of the original members of Majestic 12.

QuoteThe second government document referring to a Top Secret UFO control group is a Top Secret memo from Wilbert Smith who at the time was a senior radio engineer with the Canadian Department of Transportation. Dated November 21, 1951, Smith wrote the following to the Controller of Telecommunications concerning flying saucer technologies being secretly studied in the U.S. by a very highly classified group:

a.       The matter is the most highly classified subject in the United States government, rating higher than the H-bomb,

b.      Flying saucers exist,

c.       Their modus operandi is unknown but a concentrated effort is being made by a small group headed by Dr. Vannevar Bush, and

d.      The entire matter is considered by the United States authorities to be of tremendous significance.[13]

http://www.majesticdocuments.com/pdf/smithmemo-21nov51.pdf

http://exopoliticsjournal.com/vol-3/vol-3-2-Salla.htm

I suspect a cover up of the testing of radar spoofing and related false "signals" research.  Perhaps that is Doc Brown's secret too. ;)

Notice Wilbert Smith is also a radio engineer which is also signals related.  An awful lot of UFO related material seems to be linked to signals research.

Quotea notation i found interesting  in the list of links made me wonder why that name is so familiar

The Philadelphia Experiment: ... This system was invented by a Canadian, Charles F. Goodeve, when he ..

no, not  Wilbert Smith........ it was the Charles Goodeve name that caught my attention but even after having looked him up i don't know why..sigh




http://www.goodeveca.net/CFGoodeve/cfg_bio.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_F._Goodeve



i knew some general things about this (Philadelphia experiment) but had never spent any time researching it myself.. now having read thur some of it  i find it is great sci-fi with very few actual facts available and lots of  you-can't-prove-it statements from lots of folks after the fact...sigh..
and a reunion of  some of the crew denying it completely

however after 1930 lots of things jumped into being/awareness  so who knows?

i am and i think most of us are still searching for answers for our own witnessed stuff
and  by looking to the past hope to find some tiny grain of connection
awwww,  maybe some day :)

I wondered who you meant.  Crossed wire lol. :)

Quote from: space otter on July 30, 2016, 05:43:07 PM
i am and i think most of us are still searching for answers for our own witnessed stuff
and  by looking to the past hope to find some tiny grain of connection
awwww,  maybe some day :)

Funny business isn't it.  I've trawled through so much BS on the topic which was plainly made up or twisted beyond recognition.  I'd be tempted to say the whole UFO thing was a waste of energy but when you've seen what I have you know it isn't.

Something was happening in 1947...  The biggest question for me is where are they now?  I know there are still sightings but nothing like on that scale.  We still have nukes and they are far more deadly than the Hiroshima/Nagasaki bombs.  Explain that for me somebody.  8)

QuoteI'd be tempted to say the whole UFO thing was a waste of energy but when you've seen what I have you know it isn't.

Pim  total agreement with that..but on the other hand my brain goes to the marshmallow man at the end of ghostbusters...  lol

Quote from: A51Watcher on July 26, 2016, 06:13:06 PM
Sure. As Pim mentioned we are aware of many pre atomic reports such as Fort's books as well as 60,000 Year old Aboriginal cave and rock paintings -

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=8302.0 (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=8302.0)

and also biblical paintings -

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=8548.0 (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=8548.0)

a late reply due to internet extraction

QuoteBut comparatively, over time these are relatively few and far between.

The modern UFO era, as this is dubbed, has been much more overtly scrutinizing our activities in detail than in previous times.

I think this is an under-exaggeration, there are thousands of reports spanning his books , in fact I cant even give you a specific numbers and ive read them more times ide care to mention ..

I believe a website is being constructed with this in mind

as for scrutiny at the time .. many of the reports are scrutinised in the big journals of the time , Fort unfortunately couldn't reproduce the  amount of details pertaining to the events covered in the journals , but you could bet, after each description, there would be page numbered references to the journal articles . not an easy task to verify his work , this was one of my ambitions once .. a gargantuan task alone considering, certainly not for one :D

funbox

QuoteFor me, the "odd man out" in the Philadelphia Experiment story has always been Thomas Townsend Brown. It's probably because he's more recognizable for his work with the Biefeld-Brown Effect, which leads me to ask me if he was really involved, and if so, what his role might have been?

Yup.

Calling Linda... :P

Well scanning the library did not turn up the alien incident in question, and neither did scanning the internet in depth.

Which is quite odd, considering. You would think with all the web pages out there and pdf's of books devoted to the subject, there would be something about it somewhere.

I was then reminded there are 2 databases of UFO information that are no longer available and are not online.

One is the UFO Newsclipping service and the other is UFO Magazine.

One incident published in UFO Magazine was re: President Jimmy Carter after he was out of the White House and working with his Habitat For Humanity project, out on the construction site pounding nails, when he got asked by a young female reporter about his campaign promise to release all government files on UFO's.

He was visibly caught off guard and replied "Yes well, they are still working on it and we are not allowed to talk about it".

Secret service terminated the interview and he was hustled away.

But still... I can find no reference to this on the internet anywhere.

Same goes for the alien at the console incident we are searching for.

And it appears that UFO MAgazine has never been digitized for the internet.

I read each new issue from cover to cover during it's tenure, and am now convinced that is where the story in question must have come from but now is untraceable and nearly forgotten.

In fact, it was an article in UFO magazine that caused my partner to go to Area 51 with me to chicken out at the last moment.

The article related the experience of recent A51 tourists who had a tire shot out on Groom road by a cammo dude sniper on foot.

Later while changing the tire a cammo dude jeep drove by and laughed out the window "Car problems?" as they drove by.

My partner was reading that article as I was completing the final packing for the trip. Suddenly he said out loud "Tire shot out?? No WAY I am going out there dude!!"

I think I said something like "I'm still keeping your trail mix and soda!" and headed out the door.

I wasn't surprised really as several weekend UFO warriors had originally claimed they would love to go along to see Area 51.

But as it got as it got closer to D- day and details were being finalised, one by one they all got cold feet and came up with excuses why they couldn't go.

Which in retrospect was probably a good thing.


Bob and John and Gene were all surprised to learn of at least a 100 military on foot clandestinely had been monitoring their movements through night vision and parabolic microphones.

I was surprised to see at least 500 pairs of dim Jeep headlights performing a grid pattern search from the perimeter outwards after the craft had returned to S4.   

The 2 jeeps they had hiding on the other side of HWY 375 that jumped me were also quite a surprise!

On test nights, the security team was quite good at concealing their size and presence!


So yeah, good old UFO Magazine was a great source for current events in UFOlogy!  ::)

Quote from: funbox on July 31, 2016, 02:30:35 PM
a late reply due to internet extraction

I think this is an under-exaggeration, there are thousands of reports spanning his books , in fact I cant even give you a specific numbers and ive read them more times ide care to mention ..

I believe a website is being constructed with this in mind

as for scrutiny at the time .. many of the reports are scrutinised in the big journals of the time , Fort unfortunately couldn't reproduce the  amount of details pertaining to the events covered in the journals , but you could bet, after each description, there would be page numbered references to the journal articles . not an easy task to verify his work , this was one of my ambitions once .. a gargantuan task alone considering, certainly not for one :D

funbox

That is great news about a website.

I will be most interested in the ones that are shiny silver high speed ones with hair pin turns and stops and starts.

Fireballs that exhibit the same behavior are also of interest.

Quote from: A51Watcher on August 01, 2016, 08:24:03 AM
That is great news about a website.

I will be most interested in the ones that are shiny silver high speed ones with hair pin turns and stops and starts.

ahh the torpedo shaped objects .. plenty ..aswell as the spindle shaped ones, fireballs not so much, even though at the time of his writing  some were still denouncing metorites :D

funbox

Since we have worked our way round to Al Bielek and hip waders, here's a short clip from a longer interview he did, explaining that it was him who talked Phil Schneider into getting on the lecture circuit, it figures   ::)  -


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjrcCqd5QHI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjrcCqd5QHI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjrcCqd5QHI)

It looks to me like the Philadelphia "believe it if you want to" Experiment.  I'm open to changing my mind but remain agnostic about it at this point. :)

hey Pim  you'll get a chuckle outta this one...

http://www.kecksburgvfd.com/coming-events.html

 ;D

I'd like to try the legendary burgers. :)

If what you have told us about Phil is true A51 and Al Bielek has said what he has in the video that seems to support what Phil had either told him, that he must have believed...or else yes it seems as he and Phil had been misleading the public with such stories..

Then it does seem to discredit Al Bielek..and it would be hard to believe his story on the Philidelpia Experiment.

What I find rather strange however is that Phil had gone to Area 51 with Ron Rummel and Both witnessed the Bob Lazar type Craft flying around...

and later both were found dead...

So on the one side Phil had made some story up in relation to the UFO/ ET Dulce base ...and that he had been some Underground tunnel Engineer ..

and later on ..then he does witness the Craft Flying around at Area 51...

I do find all that rather unusual in ref to the UFO/ET agenda.

QuoteSince we have worked our way round to Al Bielek and hip waders, here's a short clip from a longer interview he did, explaining that it was him who talked Phil Schneider into getting on the lecture circuit, it figures   ::)  -

Quote from: astr0144 on August 02, 2016, 03:53:26 PM
So on the one side Phil had made some story up in relation to the UFO/ ET Dulce base ...and that he had been some Underground tunnel Engineer ..

and later on ..then he does witness the Craft Flying around at Area 51...

It isn't mysterious at all if you think about it.

Phil Schneider jumped on the Dulce disinfo (he may not have though it was disinfo) band wagon and then went to A51 with a researcher.  If there were craft then he might have seen one.  So what?  He is still a liar.

Do you know that Schneider was mentally ill, had serious health problems, I think he was in debt and obviously knew his life had become a lie?  That sounds like a candidate for suicide if you ask me.

As for Ron, A51Watcher knew him personally and I believe he had personal problems too.

I recall some of the things that A51 Watcher has informed us about Phil (and Ron R) and his /their background..but maybe cannot recall certain facts (at least at the moment)

Cannot recall if Phil actually was some sort of Civil (or Tunnel ) structural Engineer / Geologist  or if that was part of his made up story.

I think it was suggested that he had been in debt and somehow managed to come up with his story and then tour the UFO circuit giving his lectures..

I don't think that I recall it being suggested that he had been mentally ill. but that may explain somethings..(To some they may say what he did proves so) but I think that alone could be questioned..

and also being in debt...and bad health could make him a stronger candidate towards Suicide.

YES I agree he was a Liar.. if what A51 Watchers told us is correct I agree...

I assume you mean Phil went to A51 with a researcher....meaning that he went to AREA 51 with some UFO researcher....and not that he went to "A51 Watcher"who is a PRC researcher !  :) and thats how they may have met or How A51Watcher got to know about Phil... (or had Ron Rummel  may have been the UFO researcher) or was the researcher someone else. ?

There was a video somewhere that showed some of the Trip that Phil and Ron Rummel did together at Area 51 that I think they do show the craft that they witnessed.. I am not sure what year it happened ...

This one maybe (Have not as yet rewatched to check..)

https://video.search.yahoo.com/search/video?fr=yfp-t-728%252CE829074-s&p=phil+schneider+ron+rummel+area+51+video#id=2&vid=90712693abfa25514fb5d2e45bb41aa2&action=click

IF Phil and Ron did see a Lazar Craft ...to that I would say to me that is quite unusual...How many People claimed to have witnessed one at Area 51 ?

Not that many that I am aware of..!

QuoteIf there were craft then he might have seen one.  So what?

Did they both Commit Suicide ? or where they Murdered ? or die of other causes ? Im not sure !

Was they Murdered for exposing the Lazar Craft ?

Phils's... Dulce Story I was was from 1979..

Bob Lazar's Story came out in 1988/89...

I assume Phil and Ron Rummels Visited Area 51 between 1989 and 1996..

He was on the Lecture Circuit (did 30 lectures) from 1994 two years before his death in 1996.

QuoteSchneider was found dead in his Wilsonville, Oregon apartment on January 17 1996. He had apparently been dead for several days (perhaps up to a week), and reportedly had a rubber hose wrapped three times around his neck. Tim Swartz writes that "Clackamas County Coroner's office initially attributed Philip Schneider's death to a stroke or heart attack."
Some suggest Schneider was murdered; supposedly because he was leaking information to the public, unveiling conspiracies. He in fact claimed to have avoided 13 murder attempts taken on his life during the time in which he was lecturing on conspiracy theories. He suffered multiple physical illnesses (osteoporosis, cancer, injuries). Officially, suicide is now stated as the cause of death — which adds up to one apparent and three official causes of death, which is three too many.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vf7vLXf5bNo

Some other facts about Phil in the link below..one being that he claimed his Father had been involved in the Philadelpia Experiment..

QuoteIn a lecture videotaped in May 1995, Phil Schneider claimed that his father, Captain Otto Oscar Schneider was a captured Nazi U-boat commander who was then repatriated into US Naval Intelligence, was involved with the infamous Philadelphia Experiment, helped design the first US nuclear submarine, the Nautilus, and also invented a high speed camera which showed UFO's during the Bikini atomic tests,

seems like this article has quite a lot of interesting info (Real or hoax) on Phil that I had not seen before..

http://ageoftruth.dk/phil-schneider/

What ever , It does seem sad if they had both died .

QuoteIt isn't mysterious at all if you think about it.

Phil Schneider jumped on the Dulce disinfo (he may not have though it was disinfo) band wagon and then went to A51 with a researcher.  If there were craft then he might have seen one.  So what?  He is still a liar.

Do you know that Schneider was mentally ill, had serious health problems, I think he was in debt and obviously knew his life had become a lie?  That sounds like a candidate for suicide if you ask me.

As for Ron, A51Watcher knew him personally and I believe he had personal problems too.

Quote from: karl 12 on July 21, 2016, 04:47:17 AM

This one from Minot AFB looks a bit freaky.


(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/8313a00200bd.png)

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=7112.0

I would bet some look like this
(https://s20.postimg.org/6kft23fl9/ea219014b3f1c6886545180b3c800b94.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.org/fqy3pdktp/2709.jpg)

Quoteand later both were found dead

we're all gonna go sometime  ..so not an issue  imo

To me... that  may depend when and what circumstances in ref to some of the facts that some of the theories may refer to..

Phil died in Jan 1996...he was only 49...

QuoteSchneider was found dead in his Wilsonville, Oregon apartment on January 17 1996. He had apparently been dead for several days (perhaps up to a week), and reportedly had a rubber hose wrapped three times around his neck. Tim Swartz writes that "Clackamas County Coroner's office initially attributed Philip Schneider's death to a stroke or heart attack."
Some suggest Schneider was murdered; supposedly because he was leaking information to the public, unveiling conspiracies. He in fact claimed to have avoided 13 murder attempts taken on his life during the time in which he was lecturing on conspiracy theories. 

not sure when Ron passed away ! but I dont think he was that old.

Found this on ATS....

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread472041/pg1

QuoteAnother recent disturbing case is the death of Ron Rummel, ex-air force intelligence agent and publisher of the Alien Digest, on August 6, 1993. Rummel allegedly shot himself in the mouth with a pistol. Friends say, however, that no blood was found on the pistol barrel and the handle of the weapon was free of fingerprints. Also, according to information now circulating, the suicide note left by the deceased was written by a left-handed person. Rummel was right-handed. Perspiration on the body smelled like sodium pentothal, or so it is alleged.

If the facts behind the descriptions of their deaths are correct...It seems BOTH the Deaths of Phil and Ron could be seen as Suicide or Murder...

So I am not really any of us are really any wiser ! and it maybe hard to really prove either way with any certainty.

Its just ones opinion on how they may view the facts.

Admittedly they did seem to have problems...

but I think I would also have to try to find out how other associates of them may have viewed their mental states prior to their death.

Quote from: space otter on August 02, 2016, 05:32:04 PM

we're all gonna go sometime  ..so not an issue  imo

The researcher was Rummel.  I'll reply properly later, I have a match now.

There is footage here of Schneider and Rummel on the road trip to A51.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1wZou2Mnxk

Quote from: astr0144 on August 02, 2016, 05:49:21 PM
Another recent disturbing case is the death of Ron Rummel, ex-air force intelligence agent...

Nope not true.

and publisher of the Alien Digest, on August 6, 1993. Rummel allegedly shot himself in the mouth with a pistol. Friends say, however, that no blood was found on the pistol barrel and the handle of the weapon was free of fingerprints.

That information came from his father in law, Paul Schockley.

Also, according to information now circulating, the suicide note left by the deceased was written by a left-handed person. Rummel was right-handed. Perspiration on the body smelled like sodium pentothal, or so it is alleged.

Paul never mentioned that, nor any mention of a suicide note.

I spoke at Ron's funeral, so I know a few things about his life and death.

Ron often hung out with Phil, so I met him on several occasions as well.

The above video is severely shortened from the original broadcast we did on the 'Cosmic Connection', on a local cable access channel.

There is a lot of footage that shows nothing but complete black, but eventually Ron manages to get the Moon into frame, but that's about it.

His main problem was the craft remained about the same brightness as stars, and so did not appear in frame.

I had the same problem and have lots of black footage myself, except for when they get extremely bright and do show up on film.

When I returned home after my Area 51 trip, I invited Ron over for a viewing of my videotape.

He watched intently during the initial black part and commented on how he had had the same problem.

When they finally brightened up enough to appear on screen, he hit me on the arm and pointed to the screen and yelled "That's THEM!!"

I just laughed and said yeah I know.

When the tape finished I asked him so what do you think?

He said "You scooped me dude!"

I am now the owner of Ron's videotape from Area 51, as well as his entire UFO collection.

I donated whatever they wanted of it to his son (seen with his mother in the above video) and father in law.

Here are some further clips from the original broadcast of 'Dead Men Tell No Tails'

Ron finally getting the moon in frame -


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bx5Thc-SKTg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bx5Thc-SKTg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bx5Thc-SKTg)

Note that even though the moon shows up fine, stars are no where to be seen.

The LUX capability of those videocams were so poor they could not pick up star light.


And another clip from their room at the Lil Ale Inn after their excursion -


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ma-EViSZgNU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ma-EViSZgNU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ma-EViSZgNU)

Quote from: Pimander on August 02, 2016, 04:10:15 PM
It isn't mysterious at all if you think about it.

Phil Schneider jumped on the Dulce disinfo (he may not have though it was disinfo) band wagon and then went to A51 with a researcher.  If there were craft then he might have seen one.  So what?  He is still a liar.

Do you know that Schneider was mentally ill, had serious health problems, I think he was in debt and obviously knew his life had become a lie?  That sounds like a candidate for suicide if you ask me.

As for Ron, A51Watcher knew him personally and I believe he had personal problems too.

Yes in the past Pim and I have spoken quite a bit about Ron and Phil.

His summary above is accurate.


It would make a great spy novel to pretend otherwise, but I don't think it's the truth.

Quote from: A51Watcher on August 03, 2016, 03:24:17 AM
I am now the owner of Ron's videotape from Area 51, as well as his entire UFO collection.

I donated whatever they wanted of it to his son (seen with his mother in the above video) and father in law.

I gave Ron his first 8088 computer and taught him how to connect with BBS systems in those pre- internet days.

He and Phil were mightily impressed with the continuous sheet UFO related printouts I would bring over from BBS files and various new books being published, and new videotapes being circulated.

So I taught Ron how to do it himself. That computer allowed him to write the 'Alien Digest' series.

The one videotape that mesmerized Phil was an early Bill Cooper lecture. He was awestruck and said "Well, I guess it's time to rally round the flag boys!"

If you watch Phil and Cooper lectures side by side, you can see that Phil mimics Cooper completely. He never spoke that way in real life.

What finally did it was a printout of The Dulce Papers. Phil popped a cork.

He did take that printout to our local UFO group meeting and at breaktime out on the veranda started telling people the Dulce story was real and telling them he was there!!

Quite a crowd gathered and he pulled out the printout and was pointing to it as proof he was there. (I don't think he had any corbomite to pass around yet).

(I made sure we broadcast that clip in the video shown above.)


Anyway after break time was over and the people went back inside, I went up to him as he was packing his gear back up and said WTH are you doing??

He sheepishly looked at me and said "well all this stuff is important information and has to get out, it's time to rally round the flag!!"

I said yeah but not like this!! I was furious and stormed away.

Not long after this I got ahold of a copy of the recently broadcast TV special from Nevada called UFO's The Best Evidence where George Knapp spills the beans about Area 51 and the Alien Craft there and culminates with the Bob Lazar Story and interview.

Ron begged me for a copy and then of course showed Phil his copy, and within 2 weeks they were suddenly GONE.

Ron did not have a car but Phil DID.... so he talked Phil into driving down there.

Quite odd that Phil never showed or mentioned in his lectures that video that shows him standing by the warning signs at the perimeter of Area 51, and of course picking up rocks for souvenirs. Never mentioned he went there and saw saucers being test flown.   

He did include the 'subject' of Area 51 in one 'lecture' he did, but no mention of his trip being there.

And BTW, Ron was never in the Air force as rumored above, or any branch of the military at any time, and never claimed to be.

But to no avail, the legend of Frankenstein Phil will never die.

I have seen many over the decades spend incredible amounts of time trying to corroborate his claims, and wound up conclusively discounting them.

But the public's memory is fickle and like the zombie horde, every new full moon brings the legend back to life like it's never been discussed before.

BWAAAAAHHHAAAAAAHHHAAAAAAAAA!!!!

::)

 

Thanks for your comments A51 and info on the Phil and Ron story.

Hope to check it out further later and may have some further questions !

Interesting to see how Phil's Dulce story came about..and he must have had some Nerve to make it up and go on the UFO circuit telling it..as well as some abilities to make it all up and tell it..

To have been involved in anything like he described.. I would have only thought likely if he had say been a Tunnel Engineer or within the Military..

Unless I have missed you indicate in your reply..Can you confirm  was Phil Schneider ever a Structural or Tunnel Engineer.. or had he ever served in the Military ?

Was there ever another similar related story about Dulce that may have suggested anything similar to Phils.. Dulce Story that you had been aware about ?

If there had been ... and generally there was little detailed further info on it.. then It would have been easy for Phil to have claimed he had been involved in it..and no one maybe able to question or prove any different..

Dulce is maybe still considered a real possible Alien base (To those who may believe in such a thing)
and if Bobs story is truth... then I see no reason why its not possible..

As Phil was doing his lectures... from 1994 to 1996.. the Internet was relatively new... so trying to check him out or facts about him probably was not possible and he could more easily get away with telling tales without anyone trying to prove any different to what he was telling his audiences..

It does seem unusual that he never mentioned anything about the Craft that he suggest that he witnessed at Area 51..

Looking at the video footage.. It is probably not as good or clear as yours or Bob Lazar's was..

Also maybe they did not really know what they were filming...if all they saw was something from so far away...  where as you say you got to see the craft much closer up.. and not just as a far away dim light..

so maybe both Phil and Ron did not really know for sure what the object was...ALTHOUGH  they were aware of Bob Lazar's craft story from the material that you had gave them...and I assume their trip was between 1989 and 1996....or maybe even closer to 1994 when Phil Started his lectures..

Do you have a date when they made their trip to Area 51 ?

I saw Phil refer to Ron Rummel's death, so Ron had passed away before Phil...and in the Video at Area 51.. Phil looked some years younger..

Phil died at 49 yrs old....in 1996

What year and How Old was Ron when he passed away ?

What do you make of how they died ?

Natural Death, Suicide or Foul play ?

It seemed that both Phil and Ron had family / Children...so I would not think they would have been suicidal ...and at the time of Phil's lectures..I don't think the videos suggest that his mental state appears poor other than we now know that he was telling lies..(if what you tell us is the more likely truth)

Is it just pure coincidence that you and Ron may had been the only ones to have known the real truth behind Phil's story ? and that very few people otherwise know any different within the UFO world !
or How many people would you think may be aware of the truth behind Phil ?  MAYBE more prove has since circulated around the Internet since..and many of the facts or info about Phil's past has came out and become more well known..

or has his story been much more dismissed over the years would you say , if  you had later told many people the facts and maybe it then went viral..

or maybe you never did release such info on a larger scale say on ATS..or other forums ....or maybe it would be hard to prove it..or not many would want to believe any other story..

I don't think that I have seen any websites that actually dismiss his story !!! other than PRC..
But I assume there maybe some threads around on some forums / ATS ..but they will have been lost in time...and faded away for most folk..

Does anyone know of other main website that may discredit his story  ?

Quote from: astr0144 on August 03, 2016, 09:45:38 AM
Interesting to see how Phil's Dulce story came about..and he must have had some Nerve to make it up and go on the UFO circuit telling it..as well as some abilities to make it all up and tell it..
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Dulce is maybe still considered a real possible Alien base (To those who may believe in such a thing)

Astro, I can help you answer these questions about how the story came up and whether there is any truth in it.

If you first familiarise yourself with the Paul Bennewitz story so I don't confuse you then I can "educate" you in a way that might help you understand the UFO scene in the 80s and early 90s.

Quoteand if Bobs story is truth... then I see no reason why its not possible..

There are links between this story and Bob's but not exactly how you will imagine.  There is evidence about this that is not just based on internet hearsay. ;)

QuoteIt does seem unusual that he never mentioned anything about the Craft that he suggest that he witnessed at Area 51..

Again, I can explain this and it is related to Paul Bennewitz. :)

QuoteDoes anyone know of other main website that may discredit his story  ?

I think it would serve you well to do this yourself with a bit of help from detective Pimander.  If you look at the Paul Bennewitz story and start a new thread I reckon I can help you.

Some of the key players connected with thelivingmoon website were around and involved in this story and you could learn a lot here and not have to spend as much time as I did to get there.

Thanks for offer to advise Pimander,

I have heard of Paul Bennewitz and probably  have  read threads about him on PRC..but I may have not recalled what may have been the connection that you refer to...

I will try to reread some things about him..

Maybe there is a particular thread on PRC that you had already created or recommend ! if it may cover somethings that are hard to find elsewhere..

I am more aware of the Bob Lazar Story and recalled somethings about Phil Schneider...

Hopefully A51Watcher  can also answer some questions that I asked about Ron Rummel..

QuoteAstro, I can help you answer these questions about how the story came up and whether there is any truth in it.

If you first familiarise yourself with the Paul Bennewitz story so I don't confuse you then I can "educate" you in a way that might help you understand the UFO scene in the 80s and early 90s.

QuoteSome of the key players connected with thelivingmoon website were around and involved in this story and you could learn a lot here and not have to spend as much time as I did to get there.

There are some discussions on here but I really think you should look into the whole Bennewitz story before reading them to really get the picture.  I have enough to write a book on this mate. :)

Zorgon posted some stuff here.

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=2248.0

There is another thread where I make a few important points but please familarise yourself with the story first.

Thanks for the link Pimander.

I will have to try to decide if I think its worth investigating Paul Bennewitz too indepth as I think you are suggesting...

especially if your or the general end conclusion suggests he was a fraud..

Based on some prior things that I may have read and maybe having some thoughts on what he may have been aiming to claim or suggest if he was a fraud...

even just based on what is said on Wikipedia about him..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Bennewitz

Then unless there is some possible truths to what he said...I am not sure its worth the indepth research.

Some of the things that he seems to have claimed or suggested seem similar to the basis of the "X- Files" series storyline....although such things may also have come from earlier Sci Fi or Alien conspiracy material.

Having said that.. what he has seemed to suggest is no doubt the sort of thing that seems very interesting and the stuff that many would be very interested in..

Alien Bases and Tunnels , Colonisation...

and even if it was all a hoax... it is still the sort of things that is interesting to consider..

I can envision maybe Phil Schneider  using such material to create his story that would entice his audiences that at that time would not know much to question him...and that would be taken in by that sort of story.

Could there be any possible truths to any of it ?

If so that would still be interesting !

Quote from: astr0144 on August 07, 2016, 04:59:36 PM
especially if your or the general end conclusion suggests he was a fraud..

Paul Bennewitz wasn't a fraud.

QuoteCould there be any possible truths to any of it ?

Behind the nonsense, Smokescreens, disinformation, stupidity and outright lies there is a grain of truth in there.

I think it is useful for anyone who has a serious interest in UFOs to familiarise themselves with what happened.  To this day absolute BS is recycled from material that emerged as a result of the Paul Bennewitz affair and related topics.

Your Comment Pi may offer incentive to make it worth the effort to research about him Further.

Its a while since we last had certain types of discussions in ref to certain topics to do with Aliens / UFOs...being for real or not ! or the many other theories such as its all been a CIA type smoke screen ....as I know for a while yourself and Sinny made many a suggestion towards..

and at one time I think my impression of some of your past replies back at that time did not seem to support the possibilities of Alien Life or what some may suggest as real E.T UFO type craft...

Out of much of the whole of the UFO / Alien theories that we come across.... the arena is a mine field and great topic for what maybe over 90% of what we come across in books or websites TV programs/ Videos..  Ideal for the hoaxers..

We went thru a stage with the Bob Lazar story and some other similar or connected topics for some time that I thought  you still did not believe it may have truths to it...

Then I think many on PRC maybe have been having doubts on certain past things that they may had believed in..after so many other suggestions had came along that made us consider alternative reasoning behind the subject..

Even after considering the  "Tall whites" story at that time..seemed to offer some other possible stronger theories...but even Dan (Shot in the Dark seems to have lost faith in Charles Halls story from what I can gather..) after he really seemed very keen of that story at the time and wrote a lot of material about it in his main thread about it..

Now as less and less   longer term members discuss such things in much detail anymore....

there is not the same incentive as there once was..

I think that later you did have further thoughts on the lazar story...and may now be more in the middle..

I know our views can change as we research more and more related topics and material...and one is not always sure where each of us are upto or how we may view things..

we can believe something for many years then come across something that changes our views..

I don't think that I was aware of your views on Paul Bennewitz back then if you may have concluded some possible truths to his story if it may relate to E.T life connected to Earth...although back in the earlier days I was very unaware of a lot of other related topics..

many of the longer term members had 5 to 10 years prior background to me when I joined PRC.

I can see you started your more indepth research on Paul Bennewitz...  almost 4 years ago in August 2012 based on one of the posts that I came across in the thread that you referred to..

You have suggested its a indepth research with lots of misleading material to make your eventual conclusion that he was not a total fraud..

I am not sure if he had wrote/told  his theories /stories in a way to use smoke screens for a reason... but some may see those as making some parts to his story as being or making him at least a partial fraud..


If I can I will try to start looking into him more..

Im not sure if there maybe a certain best route to follow about him or the things that he came up with..that may differ from what material we already have on some of the topics within threads that we have about him ..

QuotePaul Bennewitz wasn't a fraud.

QuoteBehind the nonsense, Smokescreens, disinformation, stupidity and outright lies there is a grain of truth in there.

I think it is useful for anyone who has a serious interest in UFOs to familiarise themselves with what happened.  To this day absolute BS is recycled from material that emerged as a result of the Paul Bennewitz affair and related topics. 

Quote from: astr0144 on August 08, 2016, 11:35:38 PM
We went thru a stage with the Bob Lazar story and some other similar or connected topics for some time that I thought  you still did not believe it may have truths to it...

Bob may have told the truth.  That does not mean that the information he had was all true. :)

Scepticism is to treat every claim with doubt. 

QuoteNow as less and less   longer term members discuss such things in much detail anymore....

there is not the same incentive as there once was..

That is hardly surprising when
so much of the field has been a load of nonsense.

QuoteI don't think that I was aware of your views on Paul Bennewitz back then if you may have concluded some possible truths to his story if it may relate to E.T life connected to Earth...although back in the earlier days I was very unaware of a lot of other related topics..

Like I say, I think it would serve you well to look into the whole thing.  Go in with an open but sceptical mindset and you'll see how the UFO scene ended up the way it is.

Well I think it was a stage / step that  those interested in Bobs story was taken thru and addressed quite a lot of the things that had raised doubts which we looked into in some detail...and at least came out  the other side with it still in tact after it was at one stage being almost torn apart...

At least we came up with some possible answers to some of those tricky questions..and the story continued on..

QuoteBob may have told the truth.  That does not mean that the information he had was all true. :)

Scepticism is to treat every claim with doubt.   

Did PRC research make many members consider that there maybe little validity  left in the UFO/ET subject, to keep them interested due to too many related parts to it seeming to not have enough valid evidence to support  many of the stories / theories...that led to too many disappointments...

or is there still a lot of other things still to consider that has since created some other or overall facts or theories still worth further investigation that had still remained as yet to be dis-proven..

I still think there is some things that maybe could be pieced further together where things relate to various facts...worth further consideration.

QuoteThat is hardly surprising when
so much of the field has been a load of nonsense.

Again just looking at some of the basic description on Wikipedia on Paul Bennewitz....his theories seem to relate from the 1980s..

I am not as yet sure how much earlier facts as far back as Roswell that he may have considered into his initial theories....

but some much came about in the 1980s...from Rendlesham  in the UK to Area 51..and Bob Lazar...
and Dulce.

Then there was so much later that referred to things being connected to the Nazis after WW2 and CIA like smokescreens../ mind control...

I have continued with some other connected further research that pieces much of the facts that have been researched or raised....that may make up how things relate to each other...but there is still what maybe a lot of disinfo thrown in but also some facts that could be valid and could explain what maybe going on..

Maybe further research may also connect it with Benniwitz's story..

QuoteLike I say, I think it would serve you well to look into the whole thing.  Go in with an open but sceptical mindset and you'll see how the UFO scene ended up the way it is.