Pegasus Research Consortium

BRING ON THE TROLLS

Okay so I have been looking around the web and trying to figure out how to go forward into 2013...

The first thing I did this week was order a truckload of TROLL FOOD... because it is time to FEED THE TROLLS

Why you ask? Well let me try to explain....

For a conspiracy website to survive, we NEED THE TROLLS...

The reason is simple really. If you have a site that has only a handful of truth seekers that all agree... you very quickly run out of things to talk about. Without the noise generated by trolls and debunkers, conversation soon comes to a standstill and new member signups trickle to a halt.

John Lear posts a LOT more on GLP than he does here.  Why? Because there are doubters there that need addressing... there is lively banter between believers and skeptics. Here we all know his work and story... there is nothing new to say.

Now lets look at a few other factors..

Nassim Haramein... there is a fellow who has very little truth on his side, yet he is getting full media attention from the likes of National Geographic, an organization that was founded on truth and presenting the world as it is in a spectacular fashion.  But today evene National Geographic has gone the way of History Channel, Discovery and even PBS... covering topics that are more tabloid than fact..

WHY? Because people, save for a small group of true researchers, DON'T GIVE A DAMN about reality. They want the entertainment... they want to hear what they WANT to believe. The 2012 crowds is a prime example of this and that cash cow is about to fall on it's face.

And what then? Will there be a new doomsday? A new Alien invasion? Or will people just say "I am sick of all this BS" and move on?

Pegasus makes a major thread on the NAVY Space Command and save for a few other sites that just simply copied the work without credit... little exposure has come of it... yet a guy like Gary McKinnon gets all the press and the hero treatment... though he did NOTHING and gave us NOTHING... not one name... nada  zip

Billy Meier hoaxes Alien contact and becomes popular... and to this day people are debating whether or not he is a fraud and that some of his stuff was real. heck even John supports some of Billy's work :P

Steven Greer 'gave' us the Disclosure Project, and it looked good at the beginning... but now he is selling $1,000.00 tours to hunt alien moths and laughing in our face waving his money at us.

Youtube people are out there getting hits... to the tune of making $6,000.00 to $10,000 a MONTH on hits.  ATS is literally making MILLIONS on the backs of their members and if you dare ask for royalties for your content contribution... BOOT out the door ya go... :P

Where does the money come from? Trolls and debunkers naturally, because smart people don't click on the ads :P

Is it all about the money then? Well yes mostly... but more important, it's about the TRAFFIC... if you don't have the traffic, conversation stagnates and you end up just repeating the same old stuff ad infinitum

Now I have heard staff say they would like to see an income from this site...  Sure would be great. But to do that we would need to open the doors and toss out the TROLL FOOD.

We would need to make QUALITY VIDEOS to put on a Pegasus YT channel.

Beth (Undo) once started a great set of podcasts.... If we could do videos like that we could get YT hits as well.  We need a videographer and we need a spokesperson...  but with Youtube generating 5K or higher for hits it seems there should be a way we can make this work

Another case in point.

For YEARS I have been talking about the stealth patent from Dr Resnick and the secrets of cloaking. Made a big thread at ATS and Open Minds and it was Big Fat Furry Texan's prime interest.

Well that thread fell on mostly deaf ears (It is even copied here at Pegasus) Very few people responded... and it may be why BFFT has left the scene because of lack of interest.

Well now today Guy Cramer, partner of Dr Resnick in Hyperstealth Inc has announced publicly on CNN the cloaking is real...and did that make any noise?  No barely a whimper.  In fact not ONE person in all these years ever asked me to see that patent :P  NOT ONE... though I forget how many times we hinted at it.

John and I talked about secret space planes for years... skeptics like IgnoreTheFacts at ATS actually worked on them and people like LSWONE are actually "Live on the Scene" and yet still we get more interest in religious threads than any real truth... and then longtime ATS skeptics are now talking openly about secret space planes like the X37 like its old news  :P

PBS NOVA scooped me by two weeks on the Secret Astronaut Corps that was my lead in to the Space Command thread... They did a great program and had stuff even I had missed and actually interviewed the high level officers that were involved...  GREAT show...  but how many of you have taken the time to see it?

::)

Point in all this?

To get the word out you need the TROLLS... without them there is no banter back and forth. Yes it generates noise, but it keeps your wits sharp and draws the crowd.

Whether that crowd drops money at the door for the entertainment, or we get the few GOOD members to move into the private areas, doesn't really matter. But without that traffic things will just go silent here.

When I logged in today after a few days away, first thing I see is Billy Meier and Gary McKinnon...  And Zorgon is thinking its time to talk about Faeries and Elves and Gemstones instead.


One last point... Look at shows like UFO Hunters, Jesse Ventura and their ilk... Great hype and mainstream coverage. But these guys are just going over the same stuff that has been in the UFO circuit since it started... And while they certainly have Charisma and draw the audience... in the end they give us NOTHING more than we had when we started.

So yeah... it's great to have the same old stories rehashed by a media star... but in the end, we still don't have the goods.

At that last Las Vegas Atomic Museum UFO presentation, one of the speakers mentioned afterwards that he didn't give out a good story he had because there was not enough interest via REAL questions from the audience so he felt it wasn't worth his time.

What he forgets is that we have heard the same old storied for decades and if we don't know thee is more, how can we ask the right questions? And if these supposed 'insiders' would stop the BS and game playing and just lay it out on the table in plain English, then we MIGHT be more interested in asking intelligent questions.

I will follow up on that story in the new year, but when I saw the replies to some of what was said at places like ATS etc, it makes one realize that no one is really hearing what they are saying. People want disclosure... and yet when these guys actually say something, it's missed and they say "there was nothing there"

Okay enough rambling for now. I will flesh this out later, but I wanted to get the main points out there for feed back

z
That is a lot to think about :)
I know I dont post much but I am here reading at least 1 hr a day. More when i see an intresting thread.

If it opens up more qualified memberd for the inventers group I am all for it.
Ihave not opened up  about what I have been working on because I need to reproduce and document it.

Bless
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Quote from: zorgon on December 15, 2012, 08:18:25 PM
BRING ON THE TROLLS

Another case in point.

For YEARS I have been talking about the stealth patent from Dr Resnick and the secrets of cloaking. Made a big thread at ATS and Open Minds and it was Big Fat Furry Texan's prime interest.

Well that thread fell on mostly deaf ears (It is even copied here at Pegasus) Very few people responded... and it may be why BFFT has left the scene because of lack of interest.

Well now today Guy Cramer, partner of Dr Resnick in Hyperstealth Inc has announced publicly on CNN the cloaking is real...and did that make any noise?  No barely a whimper.  In fact not ONE person in all these years ever asked me to see that patent :P  NOT ONE... though I forget how many times we hinted at it.

I saw this live on CNN the other day.  I laughed when thinking about all of the debunkers who saw the "Invisible Iraq Soldier" video from a few years ago and said it was nothing but over pixelation from a poor quality video.

Invisible Iraq Soldier: (becomes "visible" at 2:46)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3ZkGjgQ9Kg

CNN story on new camo:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sXtY-7iAyk

QuoteI saw this live on CNN the other day.  I laughed when thinking about all of the debunkers who saw the "Invisible Iraq Soldier" video from a few years ago and said it was nothing but over pixelation from a poor quality video.

The human species is Bored I guess...   :D

Needs New Stimuli... 

from what ive seen in my life,
only cheaters prosper.

my heart eagerly wants this site to succeed.

i do agree the owners of ats are scum and most of the other stuff on tv.

everyday that goes by i see zorgons perspective on things and the evidence that he and so many members supply.
i have been coming around to agreeing with z on alot of things and im greatful.

im personally burnt out on the studying.
dont get me wrong ,i love researching and having a great ,intelligent team to work with.
plus its still harvest season in texas and this was a great year for quality products even though we were in a drought.

i had a thought the other day about starting a movie critics corner and notification for quality programming.
like when nova has a new show on pbs or similar.
i buy quality dvds movies at walmart if the price is right.ie,truman show,tarentino movies,potter series ,ai ,etc.
just like watching dvds,dont like waisting money on a crappy ones.

now if you wanted to cheat.
couldnt you get a server full of bots to google your site?
alex jones has his listeners google him supposedly to bring certain subjects to the forfront publicly.

the invisibility stuff im into also but im just overwhelmed by the amount of info i need to absorb just to get up to par with some of you guys.

plus im tired of the end of the world crap and our politicians screwing us,sometimes a guy just needs a break.

maybe we have hit the bottom of the knowledge barrel and there really is nothing else out there.
i still like to pretend but knowing everthing may actually lead to a boring life.
i hope not.

or as the mib say,its time for pie.

Bring it on, Duke Zorgon; the sheeple do want entertainment in this electronic sea of chaos...perhaps it will also draw those rare individuals with bits and pieces of manna to help on the long trek...

spookz may have SO, Springer, and the rest; We Have Zorgon, John Lear, A51, and Matrix..

Bring it on...


seeker

Quoteplus im tired of the end of the world crap and our politicians screwing us,sometimes a guy just needs a break.

I agree 100%

Quotemaybe we have hit the bottom of the knowledge barrel and there really is nothing else out there.

In this program (Earth) we haven't even scratched the surface yet, let alone finding the bottom of the barrel !  LOL.

Quotei still like to pretend but knowing everthing may actually lead to a boring life.
i hope not.

Knowing more about ourselves, can ONLY lead to a wider, fuller and more meaningful  experience.

As for me, I am the "Eternal Optimist" !  LOL

It's either fly with the "hive mind" or "mob mentality" or be shot down - And that just ain't my Gig.

I think most people are becoming scared these days to speak out, because they "know" what happens when they do, which is exactly what TPTB want - Total Control and Subservience.

Mob mentality is what freed Barabbas and got Jesus nailed to the cross. Individuals are far more prone to making decent logical decisions when they are allowed to review information individually and respond individually.

I fought for Freedom of speech of all - not just the few - that's part of the reason I served because it is what allows humankind to progress, without it we will become nothing more than stagnant decadence.

If we were to look at a GIGANTIC Sphere and all perspectives were from the same side of the sphere, we wouldn't have a complete picture and therefore would lose the reality of that object looks like from all angles.

Trolls are basically Epinions from a certain perspective. What if that one "troll" sparks a debate that then causes another member to think about something that then leads to a new discovery! Without the Troll, that discovery might not have been made. The hierarchy of society is an antiquated farce that serves only itself and not humankind which is why society is failing miserably.

Captain Dave
Proud Troll among many other things.  ;)

Quote from: zorgon on December 15, 2012, 08:18:25 PM
Youtube people are out there getting hits... to the tune of making $6,000.00 to $10,000 a MONTH on hits.

YouTube may be a good way of "getting the word out", you just have to use the right title.

Remember what I said some years ago about using at least two exclamation points in a more sensationalist thread title? The same applies to YouTube.

I have a short (7 seconds) video that I converted from a different format that was originally posted on some UFOs site, that was supposed to show a "humanoid" creature. The title is "Humanoid?" and that short video has some 100 views per day and was linked to and posted on some sites.

I'm sure that if Pegasus posted some videos with catchy titles (we already have interesting topics :) ) those video would generate many views.

PS: for some reason, most of the viewers for that short video come from Japan.  ???

 :'(..... :(

dang...that is a hard thought for me to deal with, Zorg.

I'm not fond of conflict just for conflicts sake or for profit and the thoughts of you thinking of waving a red flag for trolls fills me with sadness.
same for entertainment..yeah..that's all the majority of couch sitters care about..I've never been in the majority of anything and I don't plan to start now..

I have spend most of my life looking for the truth and answers as to why I am here and other curiosities, I think i have reached a point of
calm if not complete enlightenment...I intend to continue turning over rocks in my search on many different topics
.but I'm pretty much beyond enduring idiots and crowds of shepples..

I am totally used to not fitting in and have been feeling lately that I have somehow let this place down.. the things I have posted mostly don't draw much attention, conflict  or  cause discussion to the degree you  mention.
and I guess it was only naivety that I hadn't realized the place needs to turn a profit...or that it takes a passel of trolls to do that..sigh...

I don't have the desire or knack to build inventions, my tech skills leave a ton to be desired and while I am really good at spotting a con or fraud  or finding info;  my interests are more towards personal growth and developing abilities not normally found. And in a sharing of things seen and experienced that aren't considered normal yet.

I have greatly enjoyed my time here but if it goes to trolls I probably will just quietly and very sadly  fade away...unless of course you change gears to the fairies, elves and gemstones....those I might be able to make some contributions on.

or if there is another way I could contribute.....at this time - verbally not monetarily.

maybe that dang old 12-21 is the end...just not for what they have claimed

QuoteI'm sure that if Pegasus posted some videos with catchy titles (we already have interesting topics  ) those video would generate many views.

I am starting to learn that Titles are the "Key" in advertising.

Note; I said I am Starting...  LOL.

from what I've seen in my life,
only cheaters prosper.

Robo, while you may have "seen cheaters prosper" during your life, that is not so much the case with what I have experienced, over a lot of years. For me, the many people I have personally witnessed as being/becoming prosperous were those of average to higher intelligence who applied themselves diligently in their chosen profession, and eventually succeeded through their work ethic, often taking many years.

It is awfully easy for "unsuccessful" people to make up all kinds of excuses for not attaining a desired level of success, but most usually blaming other successful persons (cheaters of course), for their lack of success. 

z...............while this is your forum, and you for sure are one of those who continues to strive for attaining a high degree of personal satisfaction and success, that can bring comfort and happiness. However, without going back and re-reading your OP, what I did see in the first read, comes across a little like inviting the "Dark Side" into the "Force". So, in that respect, I have some concern as to whether is this really a "right path" for you to use in making this forum into the reality you are working toward??

Are there other possibilities, besides "bringing on the trolls"? As "Brother Dave" once said, "if you have a great product, the World will beat a path to your door................., but advertising helps"!! And in that regard, the YouTube vids you mentioned could very well help bring that to pass, along with other such creative thinking/planning.

Another area - we are relatively short on member numbers here, and we members' real specific interests are generally directional. So, what that boils down to is, often there are just a few even interested in many of the subjects, as they cycle through for discussion. 

So, maybe a suggestion for consideration.............no trolls on purpose, recruit more of "the best of the best" for membership, and market/market/market through the vids, and other.


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I write in 3 different places on the net.

The place I get most reading, is in my wife's website, in China Sometimes over 100 viewers /day.

In my own Google sight, anything up to about 50 / day, but not often. Usually about 20 to 30/ day if I am lucky.

My wife was an Editor for a Large Chinese newspaper, and I am NOT a writer by any stretch of the imagination. She recognises the importance of the "Contents" in  a "Title" !

The most important is the "Title" of a subject or other, as this is like the bait.

It sells Books... Not that I am into selling books though.

Advertising is very, very important to back up that "Title", which is something I have lacked in the past, mainly because of a lack of time in the day.

I am still trying to find that Successful "Title".  :(

If the "Title" is NOT Correct or interesting, others never see it.

If we get the "Title" right, (which I must confess I haven't got right yet) draws the interest.

The next stage is living up to the "Title" one chooses.

It's Usually the "Title" which governs the Hits on a web site, something I have started to learn.

But the number of hits doesn't mean much by itself.

And out of these hits, are a smaller group, who read the material in some detail.

And a smaller group again, who ask questions.

In the past I have exchanged notes with thousands, but these are only a very, very small fraction of the world population, and out of these only a couple of hundred at the most, whom I write to privately, and only a Hand full of these on a daily / weekly basis.


But I guess this is typical of the majority of sites on the net.

It is probably only about 5 to 10 % who get a huge amount of activity. (Hits)

It would be interesting for someone to research this.

I think the outcome would be different than what most expect.    :D

rdunk, i agree with all of your suggestions except the part about cheaters.

if traffic is what you want then a permanent news thread would do that.
basically copy drudge.
thats what ats has become.
with a little huffpo and breitbart sprinkled in.

then when people search news we would come up.
the trolls would follow.
personally i would like news but we need members from around the world to verify and for a reference to the real truth.
kinda like sarge with katrina and me with the ammo dump explosion.
i dont think it would be hard to recruit.
then we could compete with the bigdog networks.
bonuses paid if the event is thoroughly reported by a member.
for that we would need a network but ten members could do it in a month.
members that worked could be paid in stock and dividends.

Browsing relatively quickly at some of the things said...

I may not be fully clear or undertand more specifically  on what is being proposed...

But I was wondering if maybe there is a way to set up a separate PRC forum..that allows all including Trolls... and trying to find  the more  better new suitable members and invite them into this main forum...

Certain content posted on this forum could be posted onto the new all members forum to gather interest to newbies on a daily or weekly basis....

or some sort of business model could be used..

Knowing how best to do it is essential for success...and I do not have the best answer... but I have seen and become aware of some in other niches..

Various Traffic generation methods can be used...some Free methods and some maybe paid methods...

Maybe some product could be created that offers some good enticing information ...maybe some free books , reports or videos...and maybe a book or product  that offers follow up info that is to be purchased...
Which in turn could offer entry to the PRC main website...

Maybe new members would consider a monthly fee and the more members there would be ... maybe this would allow a small monthly fee...

It is knowing how best to go about it.....as there may be many options...

But I would think PRC has the potential to become very successful if it is marketed correctly...

just take the link and drop it without explanation anywhere you can...

or e-mail with a note..
you may be interested in this site


hey..couldn't hurt... ;)

QuoteAt that last Las Vegas Atomic Museum UFO presentation, one of the speakers mentioned afterwards that he didn't give out a good story he had because there was not enough interest via REAL questions from the audience so he felt it wasn't worth his time.

What he forgets is that we have heard the same old storied for decades and if we don't know thee is more, how can we ask the right questions? And if these supposed 'insiders' would stop the BS and game playing and just lay it out on the table in plain English, then we MIGHT be more interested in asking intelligent questions.

I will follow up on that story in the new year, but when I saw the replies to some of what was said at places like ATS etc, it makes one realize that no one is really hearing what they are saying. People want disclosure... and yet when these guys actually say something, it's missed and they say "there was nothing there"

So here lies the Crux of the problem.

When things are laid on the line, every one cries "FAKE".

QuotePeople want disclosure... and yet when these guys actually say something, it's missed and they say "there was nothing there"

I don't thing the general public can accept disclosure at this stage.

I once thought the public could accept disclosure but now I am starting to realise they are simply Not ready yet.   :(

It's all just too different from what we have been educated to Accept !

I think Zorgon has a great idea, and Pegasus should move into the video and radio field asap!

When I first came here, I suggested a show on public internet radio done with Luke, or PWM for those of you who dont know him by name. I had posted my desire to do a 1-2 hour show on whatever subjects we felt compelling enough to garner listeners, and I even though about making videos ala youtube for people to watch and link back to the forum through.

All of us probably have a video camera, and we all definitely have computers with cams and microphones...so why not have some of us come up with short clips either with screengrab software which is cheap if not free, or just audio with a set of images placed in intervals along the way.

Zorgon, if you setup a YT channel, I can guarantee i will add content no questions asked!

We could also do a radio show on the various channels out there, or start our own with the ability to stream from Zorgon's servers with several of us either discussing ideas, or even taking calls for that matter.

One place I do see trolls being useful, is to use them to create drama and pomp, when they call in or write on the forum, trolls can entertain and antagonize people into posting like crazy, and a thread with disdain and argumentive banter can grow to dozens of pages real quick...if there are thoughtfully placed ads along the sidebar, these extra ads and page views will more than support the cause and probably create a hefty return in the long run for the site investors.

I reiterate, I am willing to do some easy videos on various subjects and possibly take part in a weekly radio show if others here are supportive, but apathy will get us nowhere, and as lately, Ive sensed a decreasing desire in many members to share and provide worthy subjects and banter in a variety of places. Many threads I, Zorgon, and others have been buried beneath certain layers of strata, and the work that goes into them becomes moot.

I personally watch two to three videos a day from the subscriptions I have on YT and see a defined path of worthiness in that endeavour.

As for internet radio, it can get a bit boring unless you allow callers and chat alongside, so thats where I come from with that.

Im game Zorgon, are you?

Cheers!
Le

Adding various combinations of media and marketing if its done correctly certainly will create more interest..

Radio,

Video

Social Media..( Face book Twitter )

Advertising.... Google or facebook adwords..

Maybe media buying Banner ads on relevant websites...

Targeted traffic generation..

There are now Very cheap to run Internet TV channels...

Do one 20 mins to an hour a day or so many times per week...

This could be promoted to thousands who want to know the facts without trying to siphon through all the various troll material on other various forums out there..

Hells, bells and bloody little fishes Zorgon I told you ages ago to think about putting some sort of video program together.

You never listen to what I say probably cuz I'm an old woman.

Get one of your forum members here to do a youtube vid, discuss if you need be skype wise, decide on what it should be on and let one of the people here film it.  I know your legs can let you down at times.

In the conspiracy world you, John, and others here are well known.  You might need to end up having your face on tv, so be it.

There are hundreds of topics that you can do an amateur doco on and you never know it might get picked up.

I am sure there are people here that would be willing to stick their mug on tv (oz for face) and get things going.

You know what happened at astrovera or whatever it was, (smurf central) you dont want that, it'll get out of hand quickly and that'll be that.

You only have to have one youtube that's a success dont you, before you can get some money to move on to the next one.

How about a PRC title under the youtube vid and an interview with you on a topic the members here might want.

Get your butt movin, stop dithering.

If Alex Jones can do it..who cant?

I'm pretty good at editing vids...  Need the software and a computer that can handle it, though.  Well, if there's a job for Me down the road, that would be awesome.

Quote from: Littleenki on December 16, 2012, 04:26:59 AM
If Alex Jones can do it..who cant?

Done deal then Le, anyone want to put their hands up, how about a poll about how we can get this off the ground.

Can anyone travel to Z's house and do an interview, get it off the ground on youtube under a PRC title.

I see Z isnt around, that's okay, as long as he doesnt wear his medieval stuff on camera.  ::)

Quote from: Amaterasu on December 16, 2012, 04:32:55 AM
I'm pretty good at editing vids...  Need the software and a computer that can handle it, though.  Well, if there's a job for Me down the road, that would be awesome.

Okay Amy, we're getting the energy up and running, this is good.  :) ;)

Soon PRC will be a hit.

Okay people, someone start a new thread, or a poll, let's get this up and running for the new year.

A few of you could be famous in 2013.  :D

TROLLS you say??



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Yummy!!

title: PRC, the beginning. ?
a. short intro by narrator of the story,no loud or weird background music.
maybe pegasus logo to start and then fade into slides of different conspiracies.
add something about seekers of ancient knowledge and wisdom .
finally coming to a freeze frame of z that then begins to animate into the interview.
then after a thorough q and a.
fade to black with baby blue lettering stating we are accepting new members and paid reporters.
for more info.etc.

just an idea.

The PRC  ISN'T ia hit?.......thud!!!!!

Sure getting some hot-headed trolls in would bump up threads ect, but the quality tanks in the process.

YouTube vids aren't my thing, but then again I didn't know they made money either. Personally I hate watching them, but can be hauled kicking an screaming to do so if I'm expected to comment on it's subject matter.  [ kill me btw ]

Marketing is the way to go...linking via FB to people whose opinions are ''loftier'' than say the ATS crowd? Shockingly FB is being used for everything cripes the Canada's History Magazine [ formerly the Beaver ] even has one. Facepalm, but it also works.

fb and twitter,selling out or necessary evil?

Quote from: robomont on December 16, 2012, 06:01:10 AM
fb and twitter,selling out or necessary evil?

Both! LOL!

FB is a valuable tool to make connections, Twitter is a tool as well, for quick updates from various breaking news stories..both good if you dont let them control your every aspect of work.

Every outlet is important if one chooses to make the foray into generating income or support financially.

Quote from: Amaterasu on December 16, 2012, 04:32:55 AM
I'm pretty good at editing vids...  Need the software and a computer that can handle it, though.

Any computer can handle it if you don't use the heavy weights.
All my video editing is done with free software that works on any computer capable of running Windows XP, it just takes more time to do with slower computers. :)

Robomont said-
''the invisibility stuff im into also but im just overwhelmed by the amount of info i need to absorb just to get up to par with some of you guys.''

Had to Gold ya for that!!! ROFL

The cloaking thing I have been following since in corresponds partly to why the Govt is mum on the subject of BF. The stinkers cloak, an ''we wanted it''. But the sentiment still stands.

You guys have been doing this for sooooo long newbies come in and are basically ''lost''. We have the same problem on our BF site....we forget newb's haven't been doing this for 40 yrs and so either we sound a little ''crazed'' or too clubby.

Yes FB is I swear ''the devil incarnate'' but posting  ''Peggy'' links there on select peoples pages will bring you the kind of posters and traffic you want.

If it's trolls you insist on just go start a thread over on JREF and link to here......
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!

Someone once told me that they loved my anomaly videos and couldn't understand why I didn't have more 'views' on my YT channel. I only started the channel as a way to post my videos to PRC. I really didn't know of any other way. I see moon anomaly videos on YT all the time and most have good stuff but a lot have faked photos and they don't dwell on what was found actually. And usually they have what I call 'weird' music tucked in. These have thousands of views and mine only a few..So I thought and rightly so that my vids are just not 'professional' enough, or just down right boring. The other day I decided I'd do a little research on how to get more views. Besides paying for 'GET MORE HITS ON YOUR YOUTUBE CHANNEL', I found out that the title is everything!. So I changed all my video titles to 'MOON ANOMALIES', etc..etc... and low and behold, I got more views...(not a lot, but more) now I'm thinking of adding quotation marks around MOON ANOMALIES and see if that addition will get more attenditon. At the end of my videos I always credit John Lear and PRC, for without them I never would have posted or made videos about the moon. And the only reason, really I come here is to check for more moon photos and discussions about the moon. I post on some threads from time to time, but mostly I lurk and once in awhile when I'm feeling 'frisky', I'll get more involved in other threads. I quit visiting ATS a long time ago as the replies were often nasty and personal. I lurk at GLP only, and ONLY because John posts there on a regular basis. The PRC is a nice place to visit and I really look forward to checking out what everyone else has to say without a lot of useless crap..

Sorry for rambling....due to jet lag...just got back from Winlock, Washington visiting my grandkids...

As always PEACE  8)
Rock.

windows movie maker..works great for me so far... 8)

"You make someone Else money with everything you do in life, why not get a bigger slice of the pie"  :D

I've read from time to time how much being a bit of a Youtube star can make one but never really looked at it till this weekend!

7k for one month is not too bad  :o 8)

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Another thought...

Me and the better half just bought a swank new Samsung Smart TV which has a youtube app along with many other apps and a full web browser.  I wont get into how well its implemented compared to sitting on my PC as thats not the point.  The point is convergence and abilitys to get a message across and make coin rather than see that message make coin for other people, OR have morons make the story and bank coin which has been going on for Few years last I counted when I looked at life and thought "Hmmm that seems like I'm being sold a story... better check that out more"

Another example of not being paid that myself, biggles, mic and otter would know here on Peggy is The Force.  Whoever ran web backbone for that free forum is making serious coin having us discuss. 

Getting the coin to content generators who deserve it is really what its all about.   :)

Bill Irvine from ATS will always quell any thoughts on what ATS is worth....  I realised this weekend how much ATS is worth and its way more than anyone could dream.  If i was morbid i may like to see the flag to coin ratio, but really i could not care spending time getting peed-up about ATS...  ATS provided a lesson for me considering people here provided much of their traffic through blood sweat and tears at some point. 

Man commercial ventures never work like that, we have unions that fought for the rights of worker's.  ATS just milked it and never returned.

just color me plain dumb.. i had no idea you make money on You T..
:o

Yep, the more subscribers you have and the more ads they can run on your page and the more views of those pages..really adds up if youre in the position to use it properly...Zorgon, when ya setting that account up?, I know Im heading there now......

Quote from: Littleenki on December 16, 2012, 04:53:15 PM
windows movie maker..works great for me so far... 8)

thats what I use to edit it and then upload to YT...

@somamech,drudge has a report on your tv

Quote from: astr0144 on December 16, 2012, 03:17:47 AM
But I was wondering if maybe there is a way to set up a separate PRC forum..that allows all including Trolls... and trying to find  the more  better new suitable members and invite them into this main forum...

There ya go :D  And well it seems that we actually already have that... via serendipity. Because the old forum is still up and running, though no one has checked it since :P

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?

Now that could be opened for all and we screen members to move over here :D

I will look at the rest of the replies shortly but yesterday we had a toilet back up. Called a plumber and what was supposed to be a $49.00 cleanout turned into a nightmare. When he tested the drains after the repair he turned on all the water upstairs which caused a back flow that spread over the ceiling of my office and I barely had time to cover the computer.

The water also shorted out the electrical in that part of the house.

Still haven't cleaned up  all the mess yet

So it will take me most of the day to catch up

Quote from: Somamech on December 16, 2012, 05:03:22 PM
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Durian is an amusing individual.  I have been gratified to observe recently, that the online vegan community is moving more in the direction of individuals who do not see themselves as footsoldiers in a war against the evil carnivores, or are otherwise visibly mentally ill; and Durian is a good example of that trend.  Although the "30 bananas a day," meme is excessively and silly, occasionally he even dispenses nutritional advice that is genuinely somewhat reliable. ;)

Z

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Sounds like a good idea to me.

Sorry to hear about your plumbing problems.

My came from the Phillipines. She didnt realize that you couldnt put rice down the drain. It took 6 years to fill 45 FT of drain pipe up ang 6 hours with an electric snake to unclog it.
Guess that was off topic :-[
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Quote from: Littleenki on December 16, 2012, 05:51:28 PM
Yep, the more subscribers you have and the more ads they can run on your page and the more views of those pages..really adds up if youre in the position to use it properly...Zorgon, when ya setting that account up?, I know Im heading there now......

Well I have no intention of letting them plaster this forum with ads :D  However I suppose the other one could be done that way and just open the doors and don't moderate it at all. We had an old forum that Undo set up and then we lost admin access because that 'free' forum required you to pay after one year.  The thing self policed itself until the day they ran out of money and shut it down

It would require us visiting that forum to screen people and it would need dome content copied over so there is a draw :D

As for you tube... I don't have the time or the desire to sit there staring at a camera and babbling :P  But making quality documentaries would be good.  Undo used to run a podcast under the Ancient Futures banner for us. It was great while it lasted. If we could put that type of content to YT I am sure it would get the exposure.

Yes the money is an issue...  It's not a question of 'selling out' It's a more basic need for income for me and I know a few others here who could use it. The plumbing issue yesterday drove that point home to me very dramatically   :o

The webstore I have been working on, Zorgon's Flea Market, :P is almost ready to go. I had hoped to have it all up before xmas shopping was over but I can only get it partially up before that rush is over.

Just seems there has been one issue after another that wants to suck up time... like rain that keeps flooding my back room. :P Its supposed to be a DESERT here LOL and my plants are all confused  :o

As to FB and Tweets.  Setting up a PRC account there and point them here so they can join at the other level won't effect THIS forum. I know Thor and Amy already tweet linking to certain of their forums. That generates tons of looky loo guests that view there content... but it guest views really do nothing for PRC proper.  It may help spread a message, but it won't get you traffic :D

About 'traffic'  One thing that was good at ATS was that all links back to PRC via posted images and links to Livingmoon pages DOES generate hits that get you Google ranking.

Google ranking gets you higher on the search lists, so when people search for a topic, your site has a better chance of being found.  In fact at one time PRC pages on some subjects would be listed ABOVE the original NASA source :D

So it's not only about money... it's more about exposure. The general public is lazy. They will go to sites that are on the front page of google search.

When I was posting at ATS we had a Google page rank of 4 (ATS was 5)  That has now dropped to a 3. This ranking is based on LINKS. The more links at other websites and forums that google analyses the higher you ranking

There are several sites that do approximate ratings of your site worth like this one;

http://www.siteworthget.com/thelivingmoon.com

I do need to spend time and update the website proper with new content and reorganize the menu. I have not had time to do that lately and that does effect exposure.

As Hoss said, people like John Lear posting here are effectively "preaching to the choir"  LOL  so without the trolls there is not much interaction and it soon goes stagnant. That is why he posts so much at GLP...   Anl LOL... he gets ill for a few days and they spread the rumor he has moved on to the Soul Catcher :P

So despite the title, I am not really looking for TROLLS... but we do need more of the 'commoners' to stir the pot or we will stagnate

Originally I set up this site with the PRIVATE rooms just with that in mind... free for all in the public zones and serious stuff in the private rooms.

Problem is human nature :P  We ALL have the need to engage the lower subjects. Research is all well and good, but its not exciting nor controversial enough to stimulate debate. You have all seen this at work with Linda's clan and the religious topics

So what is the solution?  I am sure I haven't figured it out yet ... which is why I posted this in the public area....  for INPUT :D

Now one solution to the second forum might be to simply COPY this one over (once I figure out how  :o) so the old content will be there and then just delete the private rooms from the copy, leaving only the public stuff. That should be faster than copying individual threads  :D

Quote from: robomont on December 16, 2012, 05:59:06 PM
@somamech,drudge has a report on your tv

My Tv is ok ;)

I also have well heeled PC and an ipad in our household, so all base's are covered in that sense.  I used my TV tonight to watch a video in 1080p which I received from my pc .   

The only one i would say are close to perfect is the PC...  But its pretty damn cool to test your new TV out with Bill Hicks LOL

Quote from: robomont on December 16, 2012, 06:01:10 AM
fb and twitter,selling out or necessary evil?

They are tools, like guns and money. Tools can be used for good or bad.  One just needs to figure out how to use them for your advantage and not sell your soul :D

Quote from: zorgon on December 16, 2012, 06:51:57 PM
Now one solution to the second forum might be to simply COPY this one over (once I figure out how  :o) so the old content will be there and then just delete the private rooms from the copy, leaving only the public stuff. That should be faster than copying individual threads  :D

That is precisely what we should do. :)

Quote from: Back on December 15, 2012, 08:43:44 PM
z
That is a lot to think about :)
I know I dont post much but I am here reading at least 1 hr a day. More when i see an intresting thread.

Yes a valid point. Even at ATS the majority of people lurk and just read. There is nothing wrong with that at all, at least they are getting the info.  A 'grunt' or 'cough' once in a while so we know they are alive is good though :P

But all to often I will see a post dragging up something that has been covered in depth and its made to sound like its a new discovery.

Problem too is the search engines. There is just no way to get a really efficient one that can easily pull up the topics.  I know ATS struggled with that for years and I am pretty sure that using extensive search here does trigger database slow ups. So there is no easy fix

QuoteIf it opens up more qualified members for the inventers group I am all for it.
I have not opened up  about what I have been working on because I need to reproduce and document it.

LOL comes back to that old saying... Those that know, do, those that don't, teach.  One can adapt that to this..

Those that invent are busy inventing, not spending time in forums talking about inventing :D  It's a conundrum. 

I have noticed that JLN's forum has been all but dead for months as well... And now that Dec 21st is almost here, I am sure the aftermath of nothing happening will also effect forum attendance.

Quote from: zorgon on December 16, 2012, 06:56:24 PM
They are tools, like guns and money. Tools can be used for good or bad.  One just needs to figure out how to use them for your advantage and not sell your soul :D

They really are Tools that do break barrier's between PR people and what is going on.

I think David Emmet from Motomatters.com would say the same thing, he would not agree with our topics but he is someone that is doing it right whilst the old guard miss the point ;)

"An Expert in this day and age is only someone who voice's a point.  Someone who study's it and reports on it is a wizard. "

Somewhere in there we have to find a happy medium with all the people who bash money, the people bash their OWN life and whatever the F else.

Guy Cramar gave us a good example of disclosure as he can walk the talk and i do wholly think it is because people like us DO listen :)

Get me back to thinking about Thee Lama and his talk on SYSTEM where he said SYSTEM OK... PEOPLE must CHANGE

:D

QuoteThee Lama and his talk on SYSTEM where he said SYSTEM OK... PEOPLE must CHANGE

!00% True there Soma ,but will people change ?  Or maybe nobody truly wants to change, and only talk about going to change ?

But the Fact remains as the Lama says...

QuotePEOPLE must CHANGE

Quote from: Sgt.Rocknroll on December 16, 2012, 04:24:05 PM
Besides paying for 'GET MORE HITS ON YOUR YOUTUBE CHANNEL', I found out that the title is everything!. So I changed all my video titles to 'MOON ANOMALIES', etc..etc... and low and behold, I got more views...(not a lot, but more) now I'm thinking of adding quotation marks around MOON ANOMALIES and see if that addition will get more attenditon.

You should also pay attention to the description.

From what I have seen, if you include the place name, the ID of the photo and words like "structure" or "mine" it looks like it attracts more views, while words like "3D" make them go away. :)

You could use other words, but for that you would have to lie. ;D

Quote from: robomont on December 15, 2012, 10:46:03 PM
im personally burnt out on the studying.

I hear that :D and raise ya...

I too am a little burnt out digging up the good stuff. Even my regular contacts like Russ Hamerly from Boeing have been less enthusiastic with sending stuff. What was 5-10 emails every other day has trickled to 1 every few days.

Why? Well two reasons. There has not been a lot of new stuff come to light  and the old stuff is finding an audience that says 'been there done that, what else ya got?"

John's semi retired CIA guy down under hasn't sent me anything for months... for all I know he may be dead

Quotelike when nova has a new show on pbs or similar.

Something like that would be great... do our own doco's on Navy Space dudes and Stargates. We have all the data, just need a video team to put it together and a good narrator  and find some free music that won't over power the speakers (my pet peeve even the MSM doco's are driving me nuts with the hype music)

PBS NOVA sis that doco "Astrospies"  They had all the same info we already had at the website. They beat me by 2 weeks as I was just going to post it all at ATS at the time.  I don't begrudge them... they did a great job. Point is WE COULD have done it with the right infrastructure

Quotecouldnt you get a server full of bots to google your site?

The current bots are hitting us by the gigabytes  google is tops China is second even though we are blocked in China (go figure)

Quotealex jones has his listeners google him supposedly to bring certain subjects to the forfront publicly.

Well that is what Google + FB and Twitter bring to the table. Twitter is silly IMO  people just retweeting everything... but that does generate hit counts which effect your viewer ratings WITHOUT cluttering the forum :D

Quotethe invisibility stuff im into also but im just overwhelmed by the amount of info i need to absorb just to get up to par with some of you guys.

LOL well there is that :D  I was just using that as an example :D

Quote from: zorgon on December 16, 2012, 06:16:51 PM
I will look at the rest of the replies shortly but yesterday we had a toilet back up.

You do backups of your toilet? It's your data that you should backup.  ;D

(I know, bad joke, but I just had to say it :) )

Quote from: sky otter on December 16, 2012, 01:15:05 AM
and I guess it was only naivety that I hadn't realized the place needs to turn a profit...or that it takes a passel of trolls to do that..sigh...

No Pegasus does not NEED to turn a profit... but it has a POTENTIAL to make money for starving staff :P. A strong budget could also help fledgling inventors get a kickstart, which if you read the mission page on the pegasus webpage, was the original intent so many years ago :D

But since the economy has taken a down turn with no reversal in sight, one has to look seriously at any source of income that might help people pay bills.

It's like LilEnki says... it's tools and just need to be used properly :D

Also if PRC had a real budget to hire real teams of researchers we too could travel the world and do on the spot interviews with people like Project Camelot did in their hay days

QuoteI have greatly enjoyed my time here but if it goes to trolls I probably will just quietly and very sadly  fade away

No the trolls won't get in this room... it was merely one f those sensational titles that seem to work so well to get people's attention that ArMaP was talking about :D I did forget the !!! though :D

Quote...unless of course you change gears to the fairies, elves and gemstones....those I might be able to make some contributions on.

Oh that  yeah well that will happen :D  I just need to fix links on site pages. Most likely will start it up in January

Quotemaybe that dang old 12-21 is the end...just not for what they have claimed

It will certainly put a damper on conspiracy sites  but then... PRC isn't one of 'those' :P

Quote from: ArMaP on December 16, 2012, 07:59:11 PM
You do backups of your toilet? It's your data that you should backup.  ;D

Confucious say:   "Never let good sh!it go to waste"


MWAHAHAHAA

Wish I could, biggles.  Way too far away to step up to the plate.

Quote from: ArMaP on December 16, 2012, 12:40:08 PM
Any computer can handle it if you don't use the heavy weights.
All my video editing is done with free software that works on any computer capable of running Windows XP, it just takes more time to do with slower computers. :)

I run XP - but it likes to crash when heavily loaded.

Quote from: rdunk on December 16, 2012, 01:53:22 AM

z...............while this is your forum, and you for sure are one of those who continues to strive for attaining a high degree of personal satisfaction and success, that can bring comfort and happiness. However, without going back and re-reading your OP, what I did see in the first read, comes across a little like inviting the "Dark Side" into the "Force". So, in that respect, I have some concern as to whether is this really a "right path" for you to use in making this forum into the reality you are working toward??

Well...

If there was no Darth Vader and the Dark Side of the Force... there would have been no epic movies that needed Yoda and Luke to fight evil and we would never have seen those epics and we would not have all those cool Yoda quotes nor any knowledge of the Good side of the force :D

If there was no Dark Side brought into YOUR book the Bible, there would have been no knowledge of Satan and thus no reason for religious crusades to 'save' the sinners.

You cannot have the Light without the Dark... you need one to pit against the other or there is nothing to discuss :D

QuoteAre there other possibilities, besides "bringing on the trolls"? As "Brother Dave" once said, "if you have a great product, the World will beat a path to your door................., but advertising helps"!! And in that regard, the YouTube vids you mentioned could very well help bring that to pass, along with other such creative thinking/planning.

Yes and that is what we are looking at "creative thinking/planning" :D

QuoteAnother area - we are relatively short on member numbers here, and we members' real specific interests are generally directional. So, what that boils down to is, often there are just a few even interested in many of the subjects, as they cycle through for discussion. 

THAT is the main point  We ARE short on members  and when we did the purge of all those who signed up but NEVER logged in 700+ members went to about 150 real people whether posters or just readers... When yo see a member list that has over 50% of members show "never" as last logon date you have a problem :D

When you have a few good members, those members already have their opinions worked out, so eventually conversation stops because you have already covered it all :D You need new blood to stimulate and stir the pot.

Also with the LEVELS of membership... there is one important factor required. New member have to be AWARE of how it works here and also have to KNOW what areas are offered in the private areas.  Now I can post that in a thread ( I actually did :P ) so people can see what is there by request, but who ever reads stuff like that? LOL  At some point ity will have to be on the front portal... but even that is bypassed when people Tweet with link directly to a thread, thereby bypassing the front door

The concept of private areas works ONLY if people that are 'in charge' of that area take the time to look at other posters and invite those that qualify to that area. So far Matrix is the only one who has done this :D

QuoteSo, maybe a suggestion for consideration.............no trolls on purpose, recruit more of "the best of the best" for membership, and market/market/market through the vids, and other.

The Trolls and hence the free for all would be at the other forum address... the original one. Sadly I have not had time lately to stop in there daily to let people know what is going on. It may require recruiting a few staff just to handle that area and send the good ones 'up the line'

You cannot recruit more of "the best of the best" if you don't first let them all in to SEE who is the "the best of the best"  You need to let them post and watch their posting style and their topic interests

Now a YT video on how PRC works would be an EXCELLENT starting point :D

Quote from: zorgon on December 16, 2012, 09:30:54 PM
Now a YT video on how PRC works would be an EXCELLENT starting point :D

Someone narrating would be better than those videos full of text, do we have anyone with a good voice (and accent, I'm not as good in speaking as I am in writing ;D )?

I know a BBC newsreader.  She is good but would only want to work on quality productions so we'd have to produce some half decent material first...

Quote from: Amaterasu on December 16, 2012, 09:22:11 PM
Wish I could, biggles.  Way too far away to step up to the plate.

Ama, you, I and Thor are all here in the peach state; we need to get you set up to do podcasts with callers on TAP; you just need to cool it on pushing the robots; humanity, as a whole, needs something to keep it's hands busy or idle minds lead to dark thoughts followed by acts...

I myself am contemplating video's I could make for the PRC channel, I also think using the original forum site as a catch all and screening room plastered with ads is a step in the right direction...


seeker

Quote from: robomont on December 16, 2012, 02:30:30 AM
rdunk, i agree with all of your suggestions except the part about cheaters.

Well instead of 'cheaters' use the word 'tabloid' Steven Greer and Camelot have gone 'tabloid' and as a result, just like any other Tabloid that makes mega bucks entertaining people :D

So they are not cheaters, they are simply smart entrepreneurs that saw a way to cash in on their 'work'

Quoteif traffic is what you want then a permanent news thread would do that.
basically copy drudge.
thats what ats has become.
with a little huffpo and breitbart sprinkled in.

For that a Blog would be better... no forum... no website. A website is 'read only' and a forum is mostly just talk only... But a blog lets you post your news article, add your insight and leave it open to comments  and then chose those you feel are worthy of response.  If you can then boost good comments like YT does your all set

Quotethen we could compete with the bigdog networks.
bonuses paid if the event is thoroughly reported by a member.

That was my pet peeve at ATS and likely what really got me the boot when I started talking abouty it openly in the forum... the fact that ATS makes literally MILLIONS of dollars on the backs of their members.

Every real news agency out there pays its researchers/reporters royalty for articles. In fact had I gone that route to just write for main stream and other networks I could have sold many articles.

But at sites like ATS you sign away your rights in that you allow them non exclusive rights to sell your content... without the burden of paying you royalties. Now I am not talking about idle chit chat type posting, I am talking about those top 50 or so members that do the work and write the big topics that bring in the traffic.

I think if most people on ATS or GLP really knew just how much money these site make they would be shocked. (BTW GLP is bigger than ATS :P ) Yet I keep seeing comments on ATS from members that have no clue on the bucks. When you openly comment on that, you get deleted and banned.  I know because Springer at least wrote to me privately on some things and I still recall that conversation we had at the San Jose UFO expo in 2007 when he offered to bring us in under ATS

So I know what kind of money they make... and GLP charges members $100.00 a year if they want to be free of IP lockouts :P

If you want good news stories, if you want people to be currant, you need a staff of reporters, even if they are free lance. If then in turn your site is making money off these reporters, there should be no reason not to drop them a few bucks for submitting the article.

Again I can see that if you pay one then everyone wants some... but its easy enough to sort just regular commentaries from actual presentations for publishing.

Over the pat month personal issues have taken up a lot of time... especially where finances and medical are concerned. This has a domino effect because it means I can't focus as much time keeping up with any new developments (like the cloaking announcement on CNN that I should have had the scoop on)  So without more reporters keeping up with the news things slow down quickly

Its a catch 22 thing... you need more posts to keep the members coming :D

Quotefor that we would need a network but ten members could do it in a month.
members that worked could be paid in stock and dividends.

Yes that is why the marine motto is "We need a few good men" From my Medieval experience it is about 10% of the membership in any organization that does 90% of the 'work'

"Build it and they will come" works great, but you do need that Dirty Dozen or so to make it work.  There has to be someone that can fill in the gap when one person is busy

Even volunteer groups know this to be the case.... you need the doers to organize the workers into a useful group, or you just have chaos and people running around like headless chickens and nothing gets done

Quote from: The Matrix Traveller on December 16, 2012, 07:44:45 PM
!00% True there Soma ,but will people change ?  Or maybe nobody truly wants to change, and only talk about going to change ?

But the Fact remains as the Lama says...

Change the system and the change will come naturally.  [smile]

Quote from: the seeker on December 16, 2012, 09:41:25 PM
Ama, you, I and Thor are all here in the peach state; we need to get you set up to do podcasts with callers on TAP; you just need to cool it on pushing the robots; humanity, as a whole, needs something to keep it's hands busy or idle minds lead to dark thoughts followed by acts...

I myself am contemplating video's I could make for the PRC channel, I also think using the original forum site as a catch all and screening room plastered with ads is a step in the right direction...


seeker

Darlin', I was ready for that a century ago.  LOL!  Bring it on!

EDIT to add:  Without robots replacing Humans in NECESSARY work no One WANTS to do, We will still be tied into a system whereby We cannot follow Our bliss in being creative and productive.

Quote from: astr0144 on December 16, 2012, 03:17:47 AM
I may not be fully clear or undertand more specifically  on what is being proposed...

That's okay  neither am I ... yet :P

QuoteBut I was wondering if maybe there is a way to set up a separate PRC forum..that allows all including Trolls... and trying to find  the more  better new suitable members and invite them into this main forum...

Yup that was the plan originally with THIS one  public areas and private areas. Problem is those that say they don't want to play with the trolls are the FIRST ones to engage them :P

QuoteIt is knowing how best to go about it.....as there may be many options...

That is why this thread is posted in the public sector... to review options :D and get INPUT

I LOVE to play with trolls.  Hones My skills and sharpens My presentation.  Adds to My repertoire of arguments...  Bring on the trolls!

if there is a way for me to be a narrator ,i volunteer.
other folks have said in the past that i have a voice for radio.
this is not saying much but i would say its comparable to alex jones,i wish i sounded like the guy from war of the worlds.

could somebody go back through and post a list of our ideas in order or something kinda organized so we can get a big picture.

we got the volunteers,lets make this happen.
who has the most business expertise?
we need a manager to get the ball rolling.
tag your it. : )

Quote from: robomont on December 16, 2012, 10:34:23 PM
if there is a way for me to be a narrator ,i volunteer.
other folks have said in the past that i have a voice for radio.
this is not saying much but i would say its comparable to alex jones,i wish i sounded like the guy from war of the worlds.

We can't let a troll narrate. :P

Quote from: zorgon on December 16, 2012, 06:51:57 PM
Now one solution to the second forum might be to simply COPY this one over (once I figure out how  :o) so the old content will be there and then just delete the private rooms from the copy, leaving only the public stuff. That should be faster than copying individual threads  :D

Quote from: thorfourwinds on December 16, 2012, 10:57:33 PM

Outstanding idea.    ;D

Would that mean that the
previously-pronounced 'dead' links
would be the un-dead?

:P

Yes it would.

Quote from: robomont on December 16, 2012, 10:34:23 PM
if there is a way for me to be a narrator ,i volunteer.
other folks have said in the past that i have a voice for radio.
this is not saying much but i would say its comparable to alex jones,i wish i sounded like the guy from war of the worlds.

could somebody go back through and post a list of our ideas in order or something kinda organized so we can get a big picture.

we got the volunteers,lets make this happen.
who has the most business expertise?
we need a manager to get the ball rolling.
tag your it. : )

I've been told many, many times that I have a very, very sexy, deep voice! If you're looking for more hits from females, I your man!  ;D

Rocko, baby

Quote from: Amaterasu on December 16, 2012, 09:25:24 PM
I run XP - but it likes to crash when heavily loaded.

VIrtualDub and Avidemux are lightweights. :)

well theres two voice volunteers.
any ideas on what the first doc will be?
do we move forward?

If you want to make media, you need to do one of the following.

1. Present something new.

2. Present something in a new or better way.

SO what would you want to cover?

ok..what are the odds...?

Watch 'Thank You, Hater!': A Tribute to Internet Trolls by Clever Pie and Isabel Fay
She's like the Mary Poppins of YouTube!

By Eliot Glazer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uz2jbCJXkpA

Quote from: biggles on December 16, 2012, 04:33:38 AM
as long as he doesnt wear his medieval stuff on camera.  ::)

Why not? That's when I look my best and get the most attention :D

Quote from: Pimander on December 17, 2012, 01:18:39 AM
1. Present something new.

Tough one... nothing new seems to be popping up. All my sources are just in rehash mode

Quote2. ... or better way.

better way would be good... like Luna Cognita style videos... but it doesn't have to be on conspiracy necessarily

here is one made by Brotherthebig  first attempt but even ArMaP and seeker get mention :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcNcuJPyjOw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dX5XKlZZq0

QuoteSO what would you want to cover?

Well I would love to do a CRITTER video :D  but that one should take some time to interview other critter believers (there are a lot)

A Navy space command thread video using only the verified stuff and let viewers fill in the extrapolations. That we we don't get into Navy doo doo's and might actually get support LOL get NAVY recruitment ads :P

That one should also take time and planning to do it right  and should be copyright safe as its all public domain.

A photo tour of the solar system using NASA imagery like the Fountains on Enceladus... HDD pics showing the weird stuff and maybe drop in the good anomalies like that metal box on asteroid eros

Quote from: zorgon on December 17, 2012, 01:42:20 AM
A Navy space command thread video using only the verified stuff and let viewers fill in the extrapolations. That we we don't get into Navy doo doo's and might actually get support LOL get NAVY recruitment ads :P

That one should also take time and planning to do it right  and should be copyright safe as its all public domain.

You would need to get Kerry or Bills permission to use Camelot's Gary McKinnon video.  We'd better give them some good publicity. :P

Quote from: Amaterasu on December 16, 2012, 10:02:13 PM
I LOVE to play with trolls.

(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee158/rrizzo4201/Horror/clown.gif)


Me too.  ;)

QuoteHones My skills and sharpens My presentation.  Adds to My repertoire of arguments...

100% correct.



It also adds to my butterfly collection  ;D -


(http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/24e70b3fe1b7.jpg)

Location: My butterfly collection
Mood: To the point

Quote
Bring on the trolls!

Yummy!

Z, I will do voice over or narrate if needed; been 30 years since my radio days but I will give it a shot  8)  but then you have heard me first hand...

seeker

z, i like your idea.
people arent burnt out on that story yet
as far as i know theres only nova.
there is still lotsa ground that can be covered.
compared to something like rendalsham forest which has been rehashed to the point ,who knows whats goin on.

What happens when actual trolls show up and start wanting "A Piece of the Action," ala Star Trek?  Just because one of them hasn't smacked you upside the head yet, doesn't mean they aren't there.  People didn't there were still panthers along the Verdrigris in oklhoma till they herthe screams.  I so nee to.go back there.  I need to feel the majik of the area.  I don't want to meet whater david Scott met on the cemetery grounds south of town.  I felt its presencse for months aftreward.

My own take on thingsi s that I'm not ready to die .. I would like to se  my cats safeley into the care of Bast.  I'd like some time with my husband, and I'd like to see Cami out of diapers.  She says maybe when she's in college,so it might be awhile.

Shasta

Quote from: robomont on December 17, 2012, 03:57:04 AM
compared to something like rendalsham forest which has been rehashed to the point ,who knows whats goin on.

Actually Rendalsham forest we can do a live interview with the head cheese. :D

Quote from: zorgon on December 17, 2012, 12:05:09 PM
Actually Rendalsham forest we can do a live interview with the head cheese. :D

You mean Halt?

QuoteThe Halt Affidavit

In June 2010, retired Colonel Charles Halt signed a notarized affidavit, in which he again summarized what had happened, then stated he believed the event to be extraterrestrial and it had been covered up by both the US and UK:

    "I believe the objects that I saw at close quarter were extraterrestrial in origin and that the security services of both the United States and the United Kingdom have attempted—both then and now—to subvert the significance of what occurred at Rendlesham Forest and RAF Bentwaters by the use of well-practiced methods of disinformation."

Halt also dismissed claims that he and his men had confused a UFO with a lighthouse beam:

   

QuoteWhile in Rendlesham Forest, our security team observed a light that looked like a large eye, red in color, moving through the trees. After a few minutes this object began dripping something that looked like molten metal. A short while later it broke into several smaller, white-colored objects which flew away in all directions. Claims by skeptics that this was merely a sweeping beam from a distant lighthouse are unfounded; we could see the unknown light and the lighthouse simultaneously. The latter was 35 to 40-degrees off where all of this was happening.

[22][23]

Contradictions between this affidavit and the facts as recorded at the time in Halt's memo and tape recording have been pointed out.[24]

In 2010 base commander Colonel Ted Conrad provided a statement about the incident to Dr David Clarke of Sheffield Hallam University, UFO adviser to the UK National Archives. Conrad stated that "We saw nothing that resembled Lieutenant Colonel Halt's descriptions either in the sky or on the ground." and that "We had people in position to validate Halt's narrative, but none of them could." In an interview, Conrad, criticized Halt for the claims in his affidavit, saying "he should be ashamed and embarrassed by his allegation that his country and England both conspired to deceive their citizens over this issue. He knows better." Conrad also disputed the testimony of Sergeant Jim Penniston, who claimed to have touched an alien spacecraft; he said that he interviewed Penniston at the time and he had not mentioned any such occurrence. Conrad also suggested that the entire incident might have been a hoax.[25] [26]

Why does David Clarke automatically believe Conrad?  Because it supports his pre-conceived position.  There are supporting witnesses and Conrad is either mistaken or lying.

On Rendlesham..just words against words, witness heresay against debunkers from the military..repeated interviews may expose lies or mistakes in repeating the story, but they will never find any more truth to the matter unless Halt is hiding some evidence like photographs.

So it comes down to who does one believe..the military or the witnesses?

Quote from: Littleenki on December 17, 2012, 03:25:46 PM
So it comes down to who does one believe..the military or the witnesses?

well, some of the witnesses are military.  The witnesses were there so there is no question about who to believe, surely?

Hi Zorgon,

So many options and possibilities... making the right decisions is one of the main problems.

Then sometimes life gets in the way for us all as we all hit different phases that distracts us as a group in trying to even to think about and discuss and find solutions... 

Its not so bad when ones mind is clear from other distractions to try and offer ideas....

Running a forum, no doubt is not easy...if you are trying to run it in the way that you want....

I hope that we as a group can come up with the right formula after reading some of the comments and things that have to be considered..
We are all at differing levels and knowledge & abilities..and maybe few of us are really familiar with what is really  involved in setting up a forum in terms of all the things involved in setting it up and what one has to consider...IF I try and think about it....Im not sure my mind can comprehend it or the possible complexities behind it!



Just To start with considering a few points...... when you indicate using a 2nd forum say to allow all including Trolls ... The other basic forum that you have or what you initially had when the recent problems occurred .... you suggest using that to be open to all....

Can I ask could you not  set up an  almost identical forum to this present one or is this one that requires more costs etc..

I say this as when I look at various forums... I think PRCs layout is very good.... I like it.. BUT I do not like many other forum layouts..including
even A.T.S & GLPs...

I just joined GLP to have a closer look at it as I do not like the way they show a cluster of various posts on all varying topics on their main home page...( Im trying to find how many members that they have...I can see that it is a very active forum.. but up to now, im not sure if i like it)

IF there is a 2nd forum open to all... if you arranged it similar to this forum... with similar topics... and even posted certain duplicate content to this forum... Then... it may be that would enough present PRC members be willing to spend their time taking part in the 2nd forum..
or will new members do enough posting to make it active and interesting enough ?

Its just my initial opinion.. but I think it would be good if you could replicate an almost similar forum style to this PRC forum...rather than the other one that you have !



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Quote from: zorgon on December 16, 2012, 09:58:43 PM
That's okay  neither am I ... yet :P

Yup that was the plan originally with THIS one  public areas and private areas. Problem is those that say they don't want to play with the trolls are the FIRST ones to engage them :P

That is why this thread is posted in the public sector... to review options :D and get INPUT

Copy the forum? Good idea.

QuoteThose that invent are busy inventing, not spending time in forums talking about inventing   It's a conundrum.

True, but with a little extra effort we can do both.
JLN may be busy, or people seem to be losing interest. I rather like PRC being troll-free.
For a start it means i don't have to keep repeating stuff, if people are going to ask stupid questions on page 23 when it's already been answered on page 2, it just gets irritating after a while....
Yes we need more coverage, ratings etc. We do need to get the forum 'out there' and that's why it's a good idea to start posting more 'in depth' topics on the public forum. At least we still have the 'closed' areas where we can discuss in peace & quiet :P

yes, we need to put some docu's together. Definitely!
Preferably with some interviews via Skype etc so we can see the people talking, and we have plenty of subjects to cover!
If i can help in any way....maybe some stirring music theme tunes or something :P

QuoteNo Pegasus does not NEED to turn a profit... but it has a POTENTIAL to make money for starving staff .

We read you, food parcel on the way :)
Seriously, we can do a number of things to generate income, & we should all try to be aware of that aspect when we post something.
Matrix, you have enough info for a complete book (or two). Maybe we could get into some kind of publishing venture?

I agree Z, we need trolls for some input, some better debates, & of course they can buy our books etc as well ;)
Who knows, maybe we can convert a few ::)

QuoteYou need new blood to stimulate and stir the pot.

Oh, yes!

QuoteNew member have to be AWARE of how it works here and also have to KNOW what areas are offered in the private areas.

Good point, that's why i make frequent references to the 'back room' on the public area, and i try to read what others (especially new members) are posting ;)
We need more inventors & researchers to share the workload, for some reason people are looking at me to get it all done :P but we are now ready to start 'delegating' certain tasks to specific people, otherwise we will get nowhere. Given the current financial situation, i am happy that i can continue to sink money & time into this, for as long as it lasts.....

QuoteThe Trolls and hence the free for all would be at the other forum address... the original one. Sadly I have not had time lately to stop in there daily to let people know what is going on. It may require recruiting a few staff just to handle that area and send the good ones 'up the line'

Yes, you're one smart dude, Highness :D

QuoteNow a YT video on how PRC works would be an EXCELLENT starting point

Cool :D

QuoteI myself am contemplating video's I could make for the PRC channel, I also think using the original forum site as a catch all and screening room plastered with ads is a step in the right direction...

The PRC channel on Youtube!
Interviews, docu's,phone-ins,and yes Blogs too. The 'comments' section alone would bring lots of yay/nay sayers to the (original) forum, which i call the 'white' one. Haven't been there myself for ages.
Z, if you can move the 'public' areas over there, it would generate a LOT of interest.

QuoteEven volunteer groups know this to be the case.... you need the doers to organize the workers into a useful group, or you just have chaos and people running around like headless chickens and nothing gets done

Right, that's the one thing we really need to get together on.

QuoteProblem is those that say they don't want to play with the trolls are the FIRST ones to engage them

Count me in, i could use the exercise :P and a dragon does not fear trolls..I promise i will be gentle with them ;)
You too, Amy :D
Let's get some vids up, ladies & gents ;)

I'll try to work on some snappy films & a few presentations on 'free energy teqchniques' or something, LOL

QuoteI hope that we as a group can come up with the right formula after reading some of the comments and things that have to be considered..

I think so ::)

QuoteIF there is a 2nd forum open to all... if you arranged it similar to this forum... with similar topics... and even posted certain duplicate content to this forum... Then... it may be that would enough present PRC members be willing to spend their time taking part in the 2nd forum..

It's there already;
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php)

On a personal note, my mother is very ill & may not even make it into the new year, so i will be absent now & then, it's something i have to come to terms with, & arrangements to make with family etc. Please be patient if i don't reply at once.
I have a few prepared threads, which i will post now (in the public areas), which hopefully will 'generate' some interest.
PWM

 ;) ;D

you t / vid idea

zorg in full regalia with a tent in the background in the dessert
telling folks where to come to / go to
for the truth
for the facts
for the latest in ideas/ inventions

cue to inside the tent (not really but ..)
where there are inventors
and moon stuff
and whatever else you think will appeal to the couch bound
amd
maybe a few interesting in sharing

you guys all know that unless it is entertaining you are wasting your time
in ad lingo they call it a hook

just tossing out some ideas

maybe instead of a new site just some different staging of  the headings
> general reading ..stop by anytime
> members onlys..chit chat on anything
> members only....you have to post  once a month here
> hidden treasures..rooms admitence by request and approval only
>
>



ok..back to holiday prep 

(http://i17.servimg.com/u/f17/13/55/53/83/images13.jpg)

Like the intro :)
Kind of 'Dr Who meets the Twilight Zone' LOL

PWMs,

Seems your On the ball towards the solutions already !  :)

I looked at that 2nd forum only a day or 2 ago and it was the other version...Must have missed something !

I am sorry about your situation with your Mother....
It is what  we all dread, but we all have to face if we live long enough...




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Quote

    I hope that we as a group can come up with the right formula after reading some of the comments and things that have to be considered..

I think so ::)
Quote

    IF there is a 2nd forum open to all... if you arranged it similar to this forum... with similar topics... and even posted certain duplicate content to this forum... Then... it may be that would enough present PRC members be willing to spend their time taking part in the 2nd forum..

It's there already;
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php

On a personal note, my mother is very ill & may not even make it into the new year, so i will be absent now & then, it's something i have to come to terms with, & arrangements to make with family etc. Please be patient if i don't reply at once.
I have a few prepared threads, which i will post now (in the public areas), which hopefully will 'generate' some interest.
PWM

It 's all quite simple actually.

Let's just ride the wave.


PRC ...... Gangnam Style!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LX153eYcVrY


@Sky...loved your Mary Poppins vid btw.

Quote from: ArMaP on December 16, 2012, 07:59:11 PM
You do backups of your toilet? It's your data that you should backup.  ;D

(I know, bad joke, but I just had to say it :) )

LOL  Sorry for the added idle chit chat but man that was funny :P

Quote from: micjer on December 17, 2012, 05:06:13 PM
It 's all quite simple actually.

Let's just ride the wave.


PRC ...... Gangnam Style!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LX153eYcVrY


@Sky...loved your Mary Poppins vid btw.

Exactly my point... now seeing we do have members here with a good whack sense of humor that , and I bet many others do.. Seeing a CT Gangnam Pegasus style video would have harvested a few swags of spuds ;)

I have a friend at work who is interested in these topics who just won the 2012 Australian Design Award who also needs a kick up the but in the kindest way.  If he could make a bit of coin it may help him to realise that he doe's not need to work in the shithole we both are stranded in :D

Now I hope Nasser (cool Name LOL) read's his link hits :D

http://www.nassersamman.com/

Just my simple opinion, only for what it is worth - IF, we already have one forum that is not meeting desired expectation, then possibly, the quickest way to go further downhill, could be to make a second forum, if nothing is done to mitigate the believed reasons for the sluggishness of the first forum.

Some of the ideas discussed in this thread, such as YouTube videos would likely bring improved results. Just my thought, if we want to get better, and do better as a forum, shouldn't we focus on making this forum the best possible, before branching out with new forums, as has been suggested? ???

It has been said here that for videos to be successful, at least in part, "it is all about the title". Is there any reason to think that is not the case likewise for a forum? Z, have you thought about changing the name of this forum, to possibly enhance participation and interest around the world?

The title "PEGASUS RESEARCH CONSORTIUM" may be a feel good sound good "title" for some of us, but............that title won't mean much to most folks. And, besides that the word "Research", while in-tune with many here, won't ring any bells with the majority of people, as the majority of people are not "Researchers".

To make this forum a "good and interesting" operation for MANY, and at the same time make it commercially positive, there are likely many changes that can be made "right here" to make that happen, without a need for a second forum for you to have to DEAL WITH.

So, just throw these thoughts in the pot with the rest.

That will be $5 please!!  ;)

Oh, yes! For me, a little more on-site advertising here would be just fine!! Such is generally expected by most people at this point in net-work stuff!

This is what made Nasser ( A muslim who love's dragons, bangs the shit out of Arab Culture) made to win this years design award :

Vimeo:

http://vimeo.com/53704699

He likes Dragons too :D

http://vimeo.com/7780547

People are fun loving creatures, if it takes money to keep that fun alive then why are people so against it at times when if used in the manner discussed where it can make firstly FACT, secondly speculation, and thirdly ideas that may hold thought for a second to reach the speculative stage which then may become fact?

You never know when some dude may just pop up and say "Hey I was so sick of the ways things have been going, but when i saw you guys started to make a bit of a change it got my arse into gear to post and share my story"

Greetings:

For your edification and enjoyment:











Please take a look at what Dr. Steven Greer (http://www.disclosureproject.org/) has done here with Kickstarter (http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/261360616/sirius) and please pay particular attention about 2:45... close to $350,000 in two months... 664 peeps thought this is a good idea... :P

PWM, I'm so sorry to hear about your mom.  Take care of yourself.

Shasta

Quote from: Shasta56 on December 17, 2012, 07:34:08 PM
PWM, I'm so sorry to hear about your mom.  Take care of yourself.

Shasta

We're all wishing you and Mum the best and you both are in our prayers.

Thor

Well, if PRC wants to make some nice videos for youtube I offer my music for free or my production "skills"  8) ::) I have done it before
I could make some kind of general background music especially for PRC productions. Intros breaks etc...

PRC wants to use adsense on youtube? ;)

Quote from: zorgon on December 16, 2012, 09:55:07 PM

I think if most people on ATS or GLP really knew just how much money these site make they would be shocked.

(BTW GLP is bigger than ATS :P )

Quote(BTW GLP is bigger than ATS :P )

Always be aware of the one-liners the Zorgmeister  tosses out for bait:

:P

Look at all the crap ads between pages...Is GoogleSNIPER (http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=google+sniper&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8) the scam it appears to be?    :o

Quoteand the beginning of an entirely new civilization
on Earth - and that civilization on Earth
will be one that has free energy, abundance,
social justice and interplanetary capabilities ..."

Indeed so my friend.... I look forward to the next 1,000 Years... 

It is true that the major Participants on the net. make vast amounts of $$$$$ through "Advertising"...

Google, Yahoo and others exist because of "Advertising".

They can't stop making $$$$$$ in the methods they employ !

Is Automatic...   :D

Z use the same "Philosophy" as Yahoo, Google, and others if you want $$$$$$$'s

There will be a thesis regarding this, somewhere on the net.

Quote from: thorfourwinds on December 17, 2012, 10:01:50 PM

We thought you might like that, our friend.

And the prelude to that piece was also inspiring...

"There's a lot of talk about 2012 ...

...well, this is the year for this to happen -
but it isn't about the end of the world,
it's about the end of an old
and corrupt order in the world..."



In all seriousness, John, what's your take re:

7:11 AM EST 21 December 2012   :P

LOL... Old Friend

Just another Day at the Office in the "Story" of the Earth ....   :D


Now if someone asks me the Right "Questions" I will give them the Right "Answers"..   :D

And I know you are one of the few, who knows WHAT to ask.   :D



To "Advance", we 1st need to know the Right "Questions" to ask !

This applies to all Education.


If we ask the Right "Questions" we get the Right "Answers".

BUT if we ask the Wrong "Questions" we get the Wrong "Answers"...   :D


Now going by your Quality Work, I Know that you have the "Gifted Ability"
to ask the Right "Questions"...  :D

So I deeply respect your Questioning...


Sadly...   :(  The Trolls only know How to "Slag Off" at others, without any intelligence what so ever. One of the reasons I left ATS.

The presence of Trolls is a total waist of time on the part of Pegasus...


Debate is a wonderful thing, but the Trolls are a fruitless waist of time and energy,
going nowhere !    ::)   :D

Quote from: Lunica on December 17, 2012, 08:12:19 PM
PRC wants to use adsense on youtube? ;)

I suppose so. tried to set it up but it keeps attaching to my personal YT account... its supposed to let you do multi accounts  I may just not be doing it right..   :o

Music like intros would be cool. The current ones I am using are from Russian artists but are not free for commercial use and I need to update them to run as flash... they are slow to load for people with slower connections. The current intros are in wma format

Quote from: thorfourwinds on December 17, 2012, 09:21:25 PM

Always be aware of the one-liners the Zorgmeister  tosses out for bait:

Well the last time I looked at that list GLP was higher.  I see Amkon is 18  Now THAT is a shocker

Quote from: Lunica on December 17, 2012, 08:12:19 PM
Well, if PRC wants to make some nice videos for youtube I offer my music for free or my production "skills"  8) ::) I have done it before
I could make some kind of general background music especially for PRC productions. Intros breaks etc...

PRC wants to use adsense on youtube? ;)

Okay Zorgon, stop dithering now, you have had more than enough good offers of help.  It is the energy that is flowing from these good souls that could make this successful.

The next words out of your mouth I want is........great, I am skyping or phoning, having a round table conference, (not medieval) and gets moving.  >:(

Quote from: biggles on December 18, 2012, 12:28:00 AM
The next words out of your mouth I want is.......

So why haven't you subscribed yet?

http://www.youtube.com/user/PegasusResearch

:P

Quote from: zorgon on December 18, 2012, 12:32:18 AM
So why haven't you subscribed yet?

http://www.youtube.com/user/PegasusResearch

:P

I want interviews of quality with one of your forum members filming you and some friends of yours answering questions.  Get moving bubba. ::)

Quote from: zorgon on December 18, 2012, 12:32:18 AM
So why haven't you subscribed yet?

http://www.youtube.com/user/PegasusResearch

:P

Going to view now, will come back with my thoughts.  :P

Saw a doco last night relating Avro project and the bell so most people will already know.

We need you on film answering questions by a forum member.  Who lives close to that gaming place, anyone?

Would it be possible to do an interview using 2 webcams and a video camera? We have some very good video people here; A51, old friend, pull a rabbit out of your hat...


seeker

Quote from: the seeker on December 18, 2012, 02:55:26 AM
Would it be possible to do an interview using 2 webcams and a video camera? We have some very good video people here; A51, old friend, pull a rabbit out of your hat...


seeker

(http://cache.deadspin.com/assets/images/11/2006/02/medium_moreoswaldluckyrabbit.jpg)



Yes.


- 2 webcams is all that is needed, one on each end.

- Set up your cam to cam connection with sound.

- If you can see and hear them and vice- versa, you are ready to go.


You then begin recording your conversation and interview with a real time capture software such as -Debut Video Capture- which has a free version that will grab anything from your screen in real time along with the sound.

Most people set up the interview or presentation with the interviewee's camera image as full- screen, and their own image as a smaller box off to the side and in a corner.


Then hit record on Debut and viola you have a movie file ready to be edited or uploaded as is.


 

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m0e2k0GXTQ1qzfsnio1_500.jpg)




 

P.S.


Also, if you have a reduced tab (or minimized process) running a video clip in media player and also some images up in a photo or paint program that is also minimized, you can easily switch to those and back during your interview to illustrate what is being discussed.



8)

Well, Z, theres the YT channel with two videos..moving right along...whats the next step?

more videos :D

specifically on our main topics like Space Command

perhaps we need to do screenplay  or at least a layout

need video software etc or someone who already has that

Quote from: zorgon on December 18, 2012, 10:08:35 PM
specifically on our main topics like Space Command

That's a big project.

You will need Kerry's permission to use the McKinnon video too. :P

How about filming a round table conference between you, John maybe if he feels okay (hug for you John  :-*), sarge if he can get there and a few of you others that might make a hit on yt.

I can hear the footsteps of those mib now to your doors.  ;D and that can be another yt.

Quote from: A51Watcher on December 18, 2012, 04:11:57 AM
Then hit record on Debut and viola you have a movie file ready to be edited or uploaded as is.

Upload "as is" is not a good idea, as YouTube will convert the video to FLV format, and they use too much compression.

I prefer to convert to FLV myself and then upload the videos, that way the quality is the once I chose. :)

QuoteAlso, if you have a reduced tab (or minimized process) running a video clip in media player and also some images up in a photo or paint program that is also minimized, you can easily switch to those and back during your interview to illustrate what is being discussed.

It's easier to do that in "post-production" by using Movie Maker.

Good advice about the compression, ArMaP.  Thanks mate.

Quote from: ArMaP on December 19, 2012, 01:27:38 AM
Upload "as is" is not a good idea, as YouTube will convert the video to FLV format, and they use too much compression.

Debut allows you to save the video in any codec you want, including FLV if that is your choice, so it is indeed ready to upload "as is" depending on which codec you prefer.

According to wikipedia -

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"Quality and codecs

YouTube originally offered videos at only one quality level, displayed at a resolution of 320x240 pixels using the Sorenson Spark codec (a variant of H.263),[54][55] with mono MP3 audio.[56]

In June 2007, YouTube added an option to watch videos in 3GP format on mobile phones.[57] In March 2008, a high quality mode was added, which increased the resolution to 480x360 pixels[58]

In November 2008, 720p HD support was added. At the time of the 720p launch, the YouTube player was changed from a 4:3 aspect ratio to a widescreen 16:9.[59]

With this new feature, YouTube began a switchover to H.264/MPEG-4 AVC as its default video compression format.

In November 2009, 1080p HD support was added. In July 2010, YouTube announced that it had launched a range of videos in 4K format, which allows a resolution of up to 4096x3072 pixels.[60][61]

YouTube videos are available in a range of quality levels. The former names of standard quality (SQ), high quality (HQ) and high definition (HD) have been replaced by numerical values representing the vertical resolution of the video.

The default video stream is encoded in H.264/MPEG-4 AVC format, with stereo AAC audio.[62]"

So it appears the current codec they are using is - H.264/MPEG-4 AVC - if one is concerned about re- encoding.

If anyone has more recent information please chime in.



I did some experiments a few months ago along this line, and what I found was -


Using VirtualDub to make a transfer of an original DV file (Digital Video) to several different codecs and look at how they compared to the original.

H264 was a little better than FLV (not much), but they both showed noticeable degredation on high resolution stuff.

Actually Xvid turned out to be the best and looked very close to the original, almost undetectable.


I then uploaded all 3 versions to youtube and examined the results again.

Same thing as before, Xvid won out.


I can put up some samples if anyone is interested, or, try it yourself.


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re: inserting visuals during presentation


That tip was designed to fill seekers requirements of simplicity for the interviewer -

2 webcams and a piece of software and bingo we have liftoff!  8)


That particular solution is super easy and anyone can pull it off, thus encouraging any of our members anywhere in the world to make one.


Afterwards, anyone with the inclination and skills to attempt post production is a bonus, but not required.

Also, some interviews might be advertised in advance and done live with an audience watching, so being able to bring up visuals would be nice.

Thanks for that info, A51Watcher. :)

It looks like I have to update my knowledge about YouTube videos. ;D

Well hey Armap,


I'm don't claim to be an expert and am just going on what I have found by hands on.

That time a few months ago when I was experimenting and searching around video forums and asking questions, I got a few snarky replies from supposed experts who basically said "Why would you want to use anything else besides H264 for anything?" as if I should somehow know better. (As Steve Martin would say... "well exCUUUUSE MEEEE!")  ;)  ;D

All I know is what I saw on my screen doing direct comparisons, using default settings on all codecs, or highest quality setting if there was an option.

I have no problem using any codec from anyone as long as the results show the best quality.


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Just don't invite this group.  May have increased traffic, but ohhh my they were exhausting folks.  Kinda rude too!


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I have to agree here we need to open the flood gates now or lose out to the likes of ATS
I have been over there posting on the sandy shootings and it is just like shooting fish in barrels.

Even i can hold my own over there and win many debates easily and yet more come along to add
to an otherwise dead thread.

Here we all agree (mostly) when a lot came here it was cos we were sick of ignorance and now its stalemate.
we DO need people no matter how incompetent they are at critical thinking,it just add's input and they (Trolls)
LOVE to be fed.eventually they learn but only about what you have told them in a great battle of facts and wit.
Then there still about for the next topic and the process starts all over it is fun.

As for advertising i dont mind a bit cos i never click on any of the banners but some may but THAT may be for another topic.

Quote from: zorgon on December 18, 2012, 10:08:35 PM
more videos :D

specifically on our main topics like Space Command

perhaps we need to do screenplay  or at least a layout

need video software etc or someone who already has that

YES this is very important and needs sorting soon.
I for one am not happy about content being looted and i am not about to have an epic body of work
fall into the lap of any one who wish's to take credit for zorgon and or john's work on space command.

this just cannot be allowed to happen but it is and it's NOT COOL.
plagiarism is the word i think.There needs to be some copyright loophole? come on! think for me on this one please
I spotted the work of Z's over at more than one web site with not a hint of the author or a link!nothing!

REALLY UN-COOL.

Quote from: micjer on December 21, 2012, 01:36:49 PM
Just don't invite this group.  May have increased traffic, but ohhh my they were exhausting folks.  Kinda rude too!

LOL yeah I recall those little Blue Dudes... not at all nice :D

"As for advertising i dont mind a bit cos i never click on any of the banners but some may but THAT may be for another topic".


FWIW - I really don't know much about it, but, I think that clicking advertisements does bring some income to the website owner(s).

Z, is that right or not?

when all this goes down,i hope im allowed in the private area with like minds.
i prefer a temporary stalemate rather than dealing with trolls.
adds are a pain because they place them where its easy to accidentally click on them.

i know most of you guys arent mobile users but mobile is the future and this should be factored in when thinking for the future.

some might say otherwise but as the economy gets tuff,the web at home gets cut but the unlimited phone is kept for as long as possible.plus our future sharkfood is the youth and they live by mobile.

i agree some kinda copywrite thing would be great.but its the idea that gets stolen,not the words.
maybe we have to accept that our brethren here could rip us at any minute.nothin we could do really.

Quotesome might say otherwise but as the economy gets tuff,the web at home gets cut but the unlimited phone is kept for as long as possible.plus our future sharkfood is the youth and they live by mobile.

Good call, Robo, even old farts like me use the mobile to read new threads here etc (bit slow, though you can wait 10 minutes for a pic to appear LOL)

Yes, we need some young smart minds that are not yet corrupted by mainstream media, society etc.
I was going to say 'if we can tear them away from their games' but maybe we just need to publish a Pegasus Game?

Platform type thing, discover secrets, create free energy, discover antigravity to get to the next level etc. Saving the world being the goal of the game ;)
Only it's not a game, it's real.

Quotemaybe we have to accept that our brethren here could rip us at any minute.nothin we could do really.

I guess that's going to happen when we get too big, at the moment we all share a bond of having been invited here, & we share the bond of looking for answers, sharing knoweledge & ideas.
That alone requires a great deal of mutual trust & respect, which we all seem to have.
Great.

that brought a tear to mine eye.
go team pegasus!

ive been frustrated here lately by physics.
ive got a college level physics book i reference but some of the newest stuff is way out there and i feel like i missed a week of college.
ive always stayed on top but its getting harder.
its amost like another language and i dont know where to start to catch up.
especially all these different particles and functions.
i wish we could recruit some hardcore physicist to get us back on top.
not a part timer but someone who could monitor and correct us on a daily bases.
lead us towards simple but accurate books not gobblygook.

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We do get hits from some pretty awsome sites, like NASA, Harvard etc.
There are some very big brains lurking & reading this stuff.
One of my main goals with the I.F. is to make sense from the gobbldy-gook as you call it.
Yes, high school physics books are useful (still got mine LOL) but they are not gospel, they contain some very fundamental errors.
Some of these errors are being corrected, like some of the new discoveries using nanotech etc, and particle physics (which was badly in need of a shake-up since it's inception)

And we do sometimes get support from REAL phd's like LaViolette, Aspden & others.
I've had a problem with those books ever since i started reading them 35 years ago, Robo old mate, and the problems are still there.
But we are getting closer to solving them , much closer than i could have hoped for a few years ago.

 ive got two books,both are college physics .one is sixty years old the other is 1991.still pretty current but very little on hv.
i may have to go to a four year university to find like a second year physics book if such a thing exist

Oddly enough, the older books tend to contain much more info, and are sometimes very open & honest in their presentation.
'we believe it works like this' they will say.
Now it's 'we KNOW it's like this'--but they don't really know an awful lot, it seems. Their math & computer models should have PREDICTED dual particles, but it didn't.
That worries me....rather than just accept their model could be wrong, they are going to pour on the power instead. Daft, if you ask me.

Quote from: robomont on December 23, 2012, 02:45:48 AM
i may have to go to a four year university to find like a second year physics book if such a thing exist

Have you looked at this (http://ocw.mit.edu/courses/index.htm#physics)?  :)

Oh yes, i read their course on EM theory, it was complete BS ::)

What Lee & co. are doing is impossible according to their own published set of laws?
Don't these departments ever talk to each other?

yea ive ckecked out the new schedule from mit.my phone wont work on it or i would take a few courses.

yes pwm i totally agree the old book is way easier to read and understand.the knowledge is almost the same between them.
i think they are making it hard and confusing on purpose.maybe to limit the knowledge to the general public would be my guess.i think quantum theory is a big mud ball blocking the chalk board.

there has got to be a university somewhere that has it right.
if they dont get it together these four year schools are gonna continue to fail the nation.
research may be going on but the books arent changing to show this.its being hidden or buried from us.
we have to go to fringe sites to find accurate info is so not cool.

Quotei think they are making it hard and confusing on purpose.

Yes, they are.
That was a Golden comment, freind Robo ;)

Better to read those old books, they give you the basics like Fleming's left hand rule to describe mag fields & currents, Faraday's laws etc. Not convoluted equations for A&B fields & all that crap.
A lot of the situations in those equations are 'assumed', not even theoretically or practically tested >:(

This is the basic info, it works.
You don't need a PHD to understand it or to build machines :D

i agree totally.

I feel another thread coming on, called 'picking apart the equations' which will probably give me a headache, but may be necessary for the 'die hard debunkers' & trolls and yet another thread called 'basic electronics, coils & stuff' for all members, since most of you in the group can read diagrams etc it may be cool to give our own electronic workshop...
Anyone up for it?
If i get more than 1 answer, i will consider it. :P

Well...  I suck at electronics - but only because I never really learned.  Would love to learn and if I can help...count Me in on that, too.

Quote from: Amaterasu on December 25, 2012, 09:30:11 AM
Well...  I suck at electronics -

Well  you just buy the device and plug it in :D and as long as it doesn't have a clock that needs setting you will be fine :D

Too late, i already started this thread.
Electrickery is easy :P
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=3385.0 (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=3385.0)
Part 2, and a separate inverter thread on it's way 8)

Quote from: zorgon on December 18, 2012, 10:08:35 PM
more videos :D

specifically on our main topics like Space Command

perhaps we need to do screenplay  or at least a layout

need video software etc or someone who already has that

There you go...start your own "Conspirircy Hunter" type show where someone goes to leading US Naval Space Command researcher, Zorgon for help.  ;)

How about 'C.S.I. Houston'?
::)