Behind the Mask: Aliens or Cosmic Jokers?
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By LYNN PICKNETT & CLIVE PRINCE
In the 1970s, when we first became fascinated by the UFO phenomenon, opinion among researchers was divided between two views: the Extraterrestrial Hypothesis (ETH) – UFOs are spacecraft from other worlds; and the 'Magonian Hypothesis' (after the 1970 book by the intelligent Ufologists' hero Jacques Vallée, Passport to Magonia). Pro-Magonians believe something from Earth is behind UFOs, a race of tricksters that surface from time to time as alleged angels, visions of the Virgin, demons, fairies – and now, space-travelling aliens? They've just updated their image.
The theory acknowledges the close parallels between alien encounters and experiences with non-human entities that litter the annals of folklore. But it also recognises the often-reported absurdity and pointlessness – the 'high strangeness' – which challenge the simplistic notion of UFOs as technological craft crewed by biological entities. It was this Monty Pythonesque quality that led investigator John A. Keel to develop his 'ultraterrestrial' hypothesis – the aliens are visitors from another plane of existence – outlined in the 1973 classic UFOs: Operation Trojan Horse.
However, since 1980 this approach has lost ground to the ETH – a pity, as it offers a more complete explanation of the whole phenomenon. Even ETH-ers usually acknowledge a paranormal component in alien contact, most obviously in the mental manipulation of abductees, often at a distance. There's also the most direct psychic contact, the channelling of alleged extraterrestrial entities.
The ETH has become so dominant partly because the Magonian approach challenges our cherished consensus reality so outrageously, whereas the concept of space ships from other planets doesn't. Also, high-profile cases such as Roswell, Area 51 and Majestic 12 – all firmly based on the ET interpretation and centred on government conspiracies and cover-ups – came to dominate Ufology in the 1980s. But paradoxically they derive from the very agencies allegedly behind the conspiracy. In fact, trace any famous case back to its source and you will find that one way or another it originated within the military and intelligence community.
(It always amazes us that Ufologists often obey the unwritten rule: never believe anything that anyone in government, the military or the intelligence community tells you – unless it's that UFOs are real ETs in secret contact with world authorities. Then believe everything they tell you...)
In fact, far from trying to cover up the existence of UFOs, government agencies have actively encouraged belief in them – specifically the ETH. Our own research has convinced us that this 'Federal Hypothesis' is the most accurate, and indeed there is a groundswell of similar opinion, as seen in Mark Pilkington's recent Mirage Men and Lynn's Mammoth Book of UFOs (2001). It does seem the whole UFO thing has been exploited – maybe even invented – to provide a convenient cover for all sorts of black ops, from testing secret aircraft to psychological warfare experiments. Even this, however, barely scrapes the surface of the sinister goings-on associated with over six decades of UFO research.
Enter the Nine
In the late 1990s we researched a story packed with all the paradoxes and questions just discussed, as detailed in our The Stargate Conspiracy (1999, updated 2000). These events represent either the biggest and most concerted attempt yet at extraterrestrial intervention – or a criminal manipulation of the belief in it. Either way, it's sensational and terrifying.
The central character is the American Army physician and parapsychologist Andrija Puharich (1918-1995) who experimented with stimulating psychic abilities using hypnosis, psychoactive drugs and electrical devices. He was also obsessed with the possibility of psychic communication with non-human intelligences.
In 1948 – after being discharged from the army on medical grounds – Puharich created the Round Table Foundation in Maine, to carry out ostensibly private experiments with psychics such as Eileen Garrett and Peter Hurkos. The Foundation soon attracted wealthy backers, even including Henry A. Wallace, Vice President of the USA under Franklin D. Roosevelt, who funded Puharich through his Wallace Foundation. Another supporter was Ruth Forbes Young, from the stupendously rich Forbes family, and her husband, the ubiquitous inventor Arthur M. Young, besides Alice Bouverie, heiress to the Astor dynasty.
From research in the 1990s we now know Puharich's Round Table Foundation was also covertly funded by the US Army. He himself recorded several visits from military top brass, including the head of psychological warfare research. So was it a front for military psi experiments on civilian psychics, with his discharge merely a cover?
Puharich was a passionate advocate of the military use of psi, presenting the paper: 'An Evaluation of the Possible Usefulness of Extrasensory Perception in Psychological Warfare' to the Pentagon in November 1952. He was redrafted the very next day...
But before taking up his duties, a seminal event occurred at the Round Table Foundation. Puharich's team were working with the Indian channeller Dr. D.G. Vinod, who on New Year's Eve 1952 declared, in trance, "We are Nine Principles and Forces," going on to channel them. The Nine described themselves as separate entities that function as one – claiming (with typical lack of modesty and lofty disdain for mere mortal grammar): "God is nobody else than we together, the Nine Principles of God. There is no God other than what we are together." The communications continued for six months until Vinod's return to India.
Deeper and Darker
In parallel with the Vinod communications, from February 1953 until April 1955, Puharich was stationed at the Army's Chemical Centre at Edgewood, Maryland – although he often returned to the Round Table Foundation. The exact nature of his duties remains unknown, but Edgewood was the Army's research facility into both chemical and psychological warfare – and at that time it was involved with a joint project with the CIA's notorious MK-ULTRA.1 Puharich's Army career certainly puts a different spin on the debut of the Nine.
In 1956 the extraterrestrial element was spliced to the story. In Mexico, Puharich and Arthur Young encountered Charles and Lillian Laughead, who were working with a young man who claimed to be in psychic contact with aliens. The Laugheads sent Puharich messages from these ETs, containing cross-references to the earlier Vinod communications, apparently revealing that the same cosmic intelligences were contacting different people.
In the 1960s Puharich devoted himself to parapsychological research and the development of patented medical devices. Then, in 1970, Puharich met Uri Geller in Israel, becoming convinced that his spoonbending and other talents were genuine. When he experimentally hypnotised Geller, the young Israeli channelled the entity 'Spectra', allegedly a conscious computer aboard a far-distant spaceship. Spectra said ETs had programmed Geller with his powers as a toddler, and effectively anointed him as a new Messiah for coming world changes, stating, "He is the only one for the next fifty years to come."
When Puharich then asked the somewhat leading question, "Are you of the Nine Principles that once spoke through Dr Vinod?" Spectra unsurprisingly replied, "Yes." It then confirmed that the Nine were behind UFOs, right from Kenneth Arnold's seminal 1947 sighting.
'Oddly Monotonous Miracles'
The hypnosis sessions and Spectra channellings continued, while strange phenomena dogged Puharich and Geller. In what Colin Wilson calls "a confusion of oddly monotonous miracles"2 machine-like voices spoke out of thin air, objects dematerialised and teleported (including Puharich's dog – and once Geller himself). And several UFOs appeared over Tel Aviv and the Sinai desert.
However, although Geller confirms the paranormality, he distances himself from the channelling. And although Puharich seemed convinced that Spectra and the Nine were real, Geller calls them "a civilisation of clowns"3 – a perfect description of the Ultraterrestrial/Cosmic Joker scenario.
Puharich arranged for Geller to be tested at SRI International, the Californian institute where CIA-backed 'psychic spying' research – most famously remote viewing – was being conducted. In fact, during our research for The Stargate Conspiracy Geller told us Puharich was working for the CIA when he visited Israel to evaluate him. Another associate of Puharich's, the physicist Jack Sarfatti, also confirmed it. Given his background, Puharich would of course have been their ideal head-hunter.
Just as in the first contact with the Nine twenty years before we discover paranormal research secretly backed by military intelligence – which again centres on channelling the Nine... Perfect symmetry – but what does it mean?
Exit the Messiahs
Despite Puharich's efforts to promote Geller as the Messiah of a new phase in human evolution, he bowed out in 1973, having risen to international superstardom. But the Nine continued to reach Puharich through new channellers. They seemed to forget they once declared Geller "the only one to come for the next fifty years." First there was a young chef known only as 'Bobby Horne' who, hypnotised by Puharich, channelled the extraterrestrial 'Corean' – who agreed with Puharich's suggestion that he/she/it was an emissary of the Nine. Horne was driven to the brink of suicide by the experience.
He was replaced by medium Phyllis Schlemmer who was appointed the Nine's official 'transceiver', a position she maintained for the next twenty years. Her guide 'Tom', who she had assumed was the spirit of her grandfather, suddenly announced he was an extraterrestrial and one of the Nine – now the 'Council of Nine'.
After Geller's departure, Puharich established a new research facility in New Jersey, 'Lab Nine'. This became the focus for two related series of events.
First there was the mission of alerting the world to the Council of Nine's existence and imminent return through mass landings of spaceships in the late 1970s. An important new player was the wealthy English baronet and spiritual seeker, Sir John Whitmore, a former racing driver.
There was a concerted effort to get the Nine's message to a wider audience, besides enticing influential individuals to hear Schlemmer dispense their cosmic wisdom. They included scientists interested in the interface between quantum physics and consciousness besides members of super-rich families, politicians and writers.
But the biggest name was undoubtedly Gene Roddenberry, creator of Star Trek, who was involved with the Nine in 1974 to '75. Clearly hoping to exploit his cult status, Puharich urged him to write a movie screenplay about the Nine, although it was never finished. How far Roddenberry believed in or trusted them is unclear.
Although it's claimed that Roddenberry's Lab Nine experiences had some influence over the first Star Trek movie and the Next Generation series a decade later (with its nine central characters), besides the Deep Space Nine spin-off, the series that undoubtedly reveals most about Roddenberry's attitude to the Nine is his last, Earth: Final Conflict (1997-2002), produced after his death. This is set in the near future where an advanced alien race, the Taelon, arrive on Earth claiming to help mankind, but some humans are suspicious that they're really bent on conquest...
Roddenberry had turned the discarnate Nine into flesh-and-blood aliens – and the Taelon are ruled by a Synod or Council. Although the plot seemingly reflects his uncertainty about the Nine, since his death in 1991 Phyllis Schlemmer still claims he was unknowingly influenced by the Nine when creating the original Star Trek series.
However, it was in response to a question by Roddenberry that 'Tom' finally revealed his – and the Nine's – real identity. He was none other than Atum, chief god of the ancient Egyptian 'Great Ennead', the nine gods and goddesses beloved of the pyramid builders. However, perhaps it should be pointed out that after Vinod's first contact, Puharich had begun to study the Ennead.
The other project at Lab Nine was more disturbing. Using various techniques including hypnosis, he also got a group of children – the 'Space Kids' – to remote view political and military targets such as the Kremlin, and tried to make them channel alien intelligences.
Virtually nothing is known about this project. The only record consists of visitors' comments, disturbingly noting that some of the kids were clearly traumatised by the experience. As this happened in parallel with the CIA-backed remote viewing programme, it seems a way of involving children without arousing suspicions. After all, which would you be most ok with: sending your kids to a cool camp to become the new Uri Geller – or waving them off into the care of the CIA and military somewhere secret?
In 1978 it all fell apart: Lab Nine mysteriously burned down, and Puharich fled to Mexico, claiming he was being targeted... by the CIA! Perhaps they feared revelations about the Space Kids through a scandal involving his associate Ira Einhorn, who was being investigated for the murder of his former girlfriend Holly Maddux (for which he was subsequently convicted). At the time of her disappearance, Maddux possessed papers relating to the Space Kids research. (Puharich returned to the USA three years later – odd for someone who feared assassination by the CIA – and continued his paranormal research, although apparently playing no further part in the Nine story. He died in 1995.)
Onwards and Downwards
The Council of Nine continues its mission. Schlemmer/Tom's 1992 book, The Only Planet of Choice, remains a New Age bestseller, and although no longer actively channelling the Nine, she still promotes their message. Given she had been in touch with these 'ancient gods' almost daily since 1975, her book of just under 400 pages is clearly somewhat selective.
Then the Nine entered the big time. In 1978 Whitmore introduced Englishwoman Jenny O'Connor to the Esalen Institute, the Californian centre for the alternative scene that attracted famous names from the worlds of art, entertainment, science and even politics. Incredibly, not only did the Nine give seminars at Esalen through her, but from 1979 until at least 1982 they effectively took over the Institute. In Esalen: America and the Religion of No Religion (2007), Jeffrey J. Kripal describes the founder Richard Price's reliance on O'Connor: "Dick decided to ask Jenny and the Nine to help him make tough administrative decisions, which included firing and hiring individuals." Esalen staff member and Price's biographer Eric Erickson describes the Nine as "extraterrestrial hatchet men."4
This period was particularly significant for Esalen. Many of those who attended O'Connor's seminars became prominent in political circles both in America and the USSR (through the Institute's Soviet Exchange Program), as Jack Sarfatti wrote (his emphasis):
The fact remains... that a bunch of apparently California New Age flakes into UFOs and psychic phenomena, including myself, had made their way into the highest levels of the American ruling class and the Soviet Union and today run the Gorbachev Foundation.5
It was through O'Connor that the Nine reached Washington, including the circles from which Al Gore – an unashamed fan of the paranormal – was to emerge. It isn't known how much he was influenced by the Nine, but some of his associates – including his political mentor Senator Claiborne Pell – were certainly interested in their pronouncements. It's a chilling thought that if Gore had become President, who – or what – would have influenced him?
Joking Apart
The Nine represent the most concerted effort ever to manufacture and sell a system of belief based on extraterrestrial contact. Built up over five decades, it involved persuading prominent politicians and cultural leaders of their reality and impending return, besides attempting to make them known globally through books and movies. This campaign was most successful in the New Age subculture, which is still largely – and unquestioningly – in thrall to the Nine.
The Nine's communications exhibit all the classic ambiguities and difficulties of alleged alien contact. At the very least they're 'anomalous' – ostensibly extraterrestrial but laced with more traditional paranormality. And behind it all is the shadowy presence of government agencies.
The facts outlined above fit two different scenarios. The first – preferred by the Nine devotees – is that the Nine are genuinely advanced ETs who created the human species and guided its development, and who were worshipped as gods in ancient Egypt. And now humankind has reached a crisis point through its own folly, they are about to return to get us out of the mess and (somewhat contradictorily) to launch humanity into the next evolutionary level.
There are good reasons to doubt this explanation. Analysis of the Nine's pronouncements reveals too many internal inconsistencies, besides often ridiculous historical and scientific errors. So what about the second scenario? Given Puharich's sinister background, could the whole thing have been an experiment into the creation and manipulation of channelled contact? It is clear even from his own account that he directed the channelling, often asking leading questions of hypnotised channellers. And there is evidence suggesting that he also used chemical and electronic techniques.
Was it all just an experiment to see how apparent contact with non-human intelligences could be induced, manipulated and exploited? If so, what do we make of the evidence from the late 1970s of the concerted effort to construct a new religion centred on the Nine? Like every cult, however, true power would lie with the 'priesthood' led by Puharich and his cohorts.
But even that scenario, it seems to us, fails to cover the facts. There seems little doubt that something genuinely paranormal was happening. The British writer Stuart Holroyd, for example, was persuaded to write a book about the Nine – Prelude to the Landing on Planet Earth (1977) – after experiencing poltergeist-type activity in his house. This is harder to ascribe to CIA manipulation – unless we assume the CIA can induce paranormal events. And, of course, the Nine communications continued even after Puharich's involvement, through several individuals. They include James J. Hurtak, Puharich's second-in-command at Lab Nine and Carla Rueckert, a paranormal researcher who collaborated with him. Both produced books of channelled material from the same source – whatever that might have been. Hurtak's The Keys of Enoch (1977) and Reuckert's The Ra Material (1984) have both been New Age best sellers.
Puharich wrote, "I do not doubt that discarnate intelligences exist, any more than I doubt that finite carnate intelligences exist."6 But as someone who made a specific study of the subject, even becoming a kahuna, an initiate of Hawaiian shamanism, he must have known always to be on guard against trickster spirits – what Colin Wilson memorably called (in his introduction to Prelude to the Landing on Planet Earth) the "crooks and conmen of the spirit world."7
Perhaps Puharich was indeed directing events, but was experimenting as much on the Nine as he was on their human channels – trying to discover how to sort the wheat from the chaff among discarnate entities. Or maybe even (terrifying thought) to find out if the entities themselves can be manipulated and controlled. But if true, what would it mean for the involvement of the military and intelligence agencies? Are they trying to establish a relationship with such beings?
'An Awful Lot of Trouble'
If, as the evidence increasingly suggests, the CIA and military are not trying to suppress belief in alien contact but to encourage it, why would they? The assumption of most advocates of the Federal Hypothesis is that those agencies want to use the phenomenon and people's belief in it as a smokescreen for their own covert purposes. In other words, if the CIA want us to think UFOs exist then the truth is that they don't. But in our view, there is another even more unsettling reason: they want us to think UFOs are extraterrestrial nuts-and-bolts machines and the aliens are flesh-and-blood in order to divert attention from the reality that the real 'aliens' co-exist invisibly with us on the Earth – and are the source of all cases of high strangeness.
Jacques Vallée, one of the first to research the covert manipulation of the UFO scenario by official agencies, concluded: "someone is going to an awful lot of trouble to convince the world that we are threatened by beings from outer space."8 But how does this fit in with his Magonian hypothesis? Vallée presented his most explicit statement of the big picture in the storyline of his 1996 novel Fastwalker (written with Tracy Tormé): a powerful group of human conspirators know that the UFO phenomenon is created by entities from a parallel world, but they aim to convince world leaders and the global population of the existence of 'aliens' – and then position themselves as the world's go-betweens.
Which is basically our own view of the case of the Council of Nine: they have the stamp of the Ultraterrestrial all over them – clowns, conmen and cosmic jokers – but there is also the pernicious presence of very human agencies lurking in the background. The joke is on all those who follow the Ultraterrestrials, however they choose to manifest themselves or however their human allies choose to present them to us. But, as history has shown, it may be no laughing matter.
Footnotes at Source:
http://www.newdawnmagazine.com/articles/behind-the-mask-aliens-or-cosmic-jokers
The Stargate Conspiracy is a great read. I can't recommend it highly enough. I really like Picknett and Prince's books with their sceptical cut to the chase mentality.
MK-ULTRA & COINTELPRO - Sinister Mind Control and New Age Spirituality (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=1733.msg23238#msg23238)
I believe that this whole Alien Agenda is to promote Project Bluebeam. A holographic projection in our skies of aliens invading, although they'll make it out to be the next messiah, a lot like the Nine are saying will happen on there return. It's to distract us from our won divinity and the awakening of the Divine Tribes of man. We're at the end of the cycle and the poers that be know and are preparing for that, with the biggest deception of all time. All other false flags will be child's play.
http://www.thewatcherfiles.com/bluebeam.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOloHsEKOxc&list=PLKM8Qh3arXk5qBESjFsqAF1qd1Tw3cBkV&index=1
Just my quick two cents though.
Quote from: Zupei on October 23, 2014, 10:44:31 PM
I believe that this whole Alien Agenda is to promote Project Bluebeam. A holographic projection in our skies of aliens invading, although they'll make it out to be the next messiah,
I was under the impression that was due at the "millennium", Great Pyramid, Egypt..... then cancelled until 2012...... now it is due again?
I think they missed the boat with that one.
Nah Pi, there was no actual date set for BlueBeam, it was stated 'as and when the time comes'
They killed Serge Monast over it, that gives it some credibility for me.
Tech has been developed.
I'm thinking, in about 30 years.
They're currently progamming the kids for it now in the movies, probably to condition them for adulthood.
According to publicly disclosed plans, we'll officially have bases on the Moon and Mars then.
Fitting, isn't it.
Quote from: Sinny on October 23, 2014, 11:41:45 PM
Tech has been developed.
Well yeah They been training at the AF Academy for Holographic projections This image comes from a traing manual at Maxwell AFB I posted the direct link years ago at ATS Seems it set off some bells LOL Anyone that opened the thread got a flag notice form Maxwell
(http://photos1.blogger.com/x/blogger/4898/3091/320/582594/hologram1.png)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPgdBsh90jg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thOxW19vsTg
Holograms may deceive visual and thermal scanning but what about sensors such as acoustics and radar?
Holograms are not "solid" enough to fool those systems.
It's interesting to Note; ONLY the human interpretation, based on 'Imagination'
and 'Ignorance' by most in the Earth experience, (Program) has ever been studied ... :(
For some reason, the 'human Primate' believes they are the most important 'species' in this Universe,
and thinks everything is according to, or must comply with the 'human Primate', with NO regard
to LIFE whatsoever, which can provide ALL the answers IF only the 'human Primate' knew HOW to ask.
I wonder WHAT LIFE has to say, instead of just examining the 'human Primates' interpretation ? :)
Has anyone ever bothered to ASK LIFE ? :(
Matrix, you leave me confuddled as always, do you wish to contribute to this thread in a manner of which I can understand?
Quote from: The Matrix Traveller on October 24, 2014, 06:26:29 AM
It's interesting to Note; ONLY the human interpretation, based on 'Imagination'
and 'Ignorance' by most in the Earth experience, (Program) has ever been studied ... :(
Surely, that is because we are human, and cannot 'study' 'life' from any other perception other than human... because we are not..... dogs? ???
Quote from: Sinny on October 24, 2014, 08:58:15 AM
Matrix, you leave me confuddled as always, do you wish to contribute to this thread in a manner of which I can understand?
Surely, that is because we are human, and cannot 'study' 'life' from any other perception other than human... because we are not..... dogs? ???
Surely
YOU are
just NOT Human, are
YOU ?The
LIVING Component understands ... :)
IF you are Alive, then
YOU can certainly study
LIFE ... :)
From an ancient writing, Quote;
Quote"Whoever has come to understand the world has found only a corpse,
and whoever has found a corpse is superior to the world."
So the human part (the '
Avatar') is only a very small component and
NOT the '
Real SELF' it would seem,
going by the above quote from an ancient writing. :)
I have no problem in
telling the difference between my '
Avatar' (body) and
LIFE ! :)
There are
2 different ways of obtaining 'Knowledge'.
1. Through your 'Real Self' a 'Partition of LIFE' based on "Single Logic"
(the root of Truth)or
2. 'Human Reason', based on "Double Logic" present in the human Genome (The Root of Fallacies)
I'd like to point out here that if they are advertising a technology on TV then they have had it for
AT LEAST 10 to 20 years and what they have now is far more effective.
Quote from: onetruekeeper on October 24, 2014, 02:35:15 AM
Holograms may deceive visual and thermal scanning but what about sensors such as acoustics and radar?
Holograms are not "solid" enough to fool those systems.
No but radar spoofing has been around a lot longer than holographic projection and we can already project voices directly to skull. What can't be done would be a good question. ;)
For all we know there are holographic planes patrolling the Iraq/Syrian skies. How is that for psy-ops? Sounds pretty effective to me.
How about I want an alibi? I could project my image on a security camera and use my presence as an alibi for a crime.
I want you to see a grey alien? Easy as pie. I can project one (the simple colour scheme makes it easier than a human) and this method can explain why the greys look a bit "glowy". :)
So what can't be faked again? Do you believe your eyes and ears? Is witness testimony always true?
It is a bit disconcerting when you realise that you have seen a UFO with 2 friends present but it still may not have been real.....
Quote from: The Matrix Traveller on October 24, 2014, 06:26:29 AM
It's interesting to Note; ONLY the human interpretation, based on 'Imagination'
and 'Ignorance' by most in the Earth experience, (Program) has ever been studied ... :(
For some reason, the 'human Primate' believes they are the most important 'species' in this Universe,
and thinks everything is according to, or must comply with the 'human Primate', with NO regard
to LIFE whatsoever, which can provide ALL the answers IF only the 'human Primate' knew HOW to ask.
I wonder WHAT LIFE has to say, instead of just examining the 'human Primates' interpretation ? :)
Has anyone ever bothered to ASK LIFE ? :(
It is my opinion based on the observation of animals that they do not have consciousness. They appear to react to their surroundings and to other creatures " as if " they had a sense of self. If they really did I believe they would cease behaving like animals and might even die from the "shock " of being trapped in animal form. I believe that even existing in human form may prove to be too much of a strain on consciousness and that is why we all have a death wish ( my guess ) and luckily we will die anyway in due course...LOL
But all kidding aside, I think the best way for a sentient being to exist is in a non-corporeal form, living in a non material holographic reality that one can create and share with others or in solitude. The material world is too limiting and acts as a barrier to achieving one's full potential in my opinion. Perhaps in time our technologies might give us godlike powers but who knows if that would ever come to fruition or even if that is a wise course of action considering the dangers that technologies in the hands of misguided individuals could cause?
Quote from: onetruekeeper on October 24, 2014, 05:31:30 PM
Perhaps in time our technologies might give us godlike powers but who knows if that would ever come to fruition or even if that is a wise course of action considering the dangers that technologies in the hands of misguided individuals could cause?
What's the problem? Why don't you think that Zorgon or Pimander are wise enough to handle a limitless source of power? Is ultra tech out of bounds to the likes of Pegasus? :P
Quote from: Pimander on October 24, 2014, 07:23:51 PM
What's the problem? Why don't you think that Zorgon or Pimander are wise enough to handle a limitless source of power? Is ultra tech out of bounds to the likes of Pegasus? :P
Z scares me. :P
Quote from: Pimander on October 24, 2014, 07:23:51 PM
What's the problem? Why don't you think that Zorgon or Pimander are wise enough to handle a limitless source of power? Is ultra tech out of bounds to the likes of Pegasus? :P
Exactly...LOL
These are a Service to Self/negatively polarised group, and should not be listened to.
One clue was when they said that there is no God other than them. Any claim of spiritual exclusivity is a very clear sign that you are dealing with STS polarised spirits, who are trying to create a scenario where you put your focus on them and only them. The idea is to cause listeners to believe that those beings and the scenario which they describe are all that exist; because if said beings can do that, then said beings can also dictate the terms of said described reality.
This is also the trick that has been used with the three branches of Semitic monotheism. Whenever you hear the word, "only," (as in, "we are the only God," or "what we are telling you is the only truth that exists" etc) then that is an indication to stop listening to the spirit that you are talking to, because they are not going to lead you anywhere that you are likely to want to go.
A second clue is the degree to which these spirits indulge in self-exaltation. This indicates arrogance, vanity, and grandiosity, which is another warning. You aren't going to want to listen to a self-aggrandising narcissist in corporeal or human terms, and as an extension, it's generally an even worse idea to listen to narcissists in acorporeal terms as well.
Remember:-
The positive or Service to Others polarity corresponds with plurality, multiplicity, diversity, decentralised/horizontal networks, and expansion. It also corresponds with making suggestions, asking questions, and allowing the individual listener to make decisions and figure things out for him or herself. It is not authoritarian, and it respects the listener's autonomy and free will.
Service to Others polarised spirits will describe a universe which is, to quote a particular saying, "of infinite diversity, in infinite combinations." They will not try and tell you that their information is the sole, exclusive truth, but will instead say that what they have is a certain perspective. While they might offer suggestions regarding morality or ethics, they will usually only do so from the perspective of what practically has worked, for them. STO spirits will also tell you either up front or in the course of the conversation, that there is certain information which they are not allowed to give you, because doing so would violate what they call the "Law of Confusion," or your personal right to freely maintain a view of reality which may not be demonstrably correct.
Gods are in a somewhat special category here, without necessarily being STS as such. What I mean by that, is that while a God might either explicitly request, or visibly enjoy an act of worship on your part, the relationship can more specifically be described as parental, rather than authoritarian or hierarchical in any genuinely abusive sense. I worship Kali, but I'm not a slave. At times I express adoration of her, and she reciprocates to me in various ways.
As another example, Hecate is a particular Goddess who, in my observation, only gets in touch with anyone for the purposes of wanting to assist that person develop themselves, spiritually; she could be considered a teacher in that sense. So the intent is not to hold a person down, at all; there is always an assumption there that you as a person are going to mature, grow, and develop, and that is considered a good thing and to be promoted.
New Agers generally discourage theistic relationships in the older form, but the point here is that such relationships can still be had with positively polarised spirits, and they don't have to be abusive in nature.
Positive or STO polarised spirits also will not tend to overly exalt themselves, or rattle off long lists of titles, etc. If you're dealing with a well-known Godform or angel such as brother Michael, then they might mention a couple of the titles that they expect humans to know them by, (which is therefore primarily to try and reassure you, rather than glorify themselves) but they won't recite a list for 15 solid minutes or so.
The negative or Service to Self polarity corresponds with exclusivity, solitude, uniformity, lack of diversity, vertical hierarchy, dominance, and authoritarianism.
Service to Self spirits will try and claim that theirs is the only reality, they are the only God, they have the only truth, etc. STS polarised spirits will also typically try and give you very definite, hard commandments rather than suggestions, and will also threaten you with some form of punishment, or otherwise try and use negative reinforcement ("You are going to Hell," etc) in order to force you to obey.
Negative or STS spirits also love exaltation, either from you or themselves. Again, this gets slightly tricky, because I know a couple of Gods who are not strictly negative or STS at all, but who still don't mind the occasional acknowledgement of their station. Master Raphael would be a good example of this. I don't consider him vain at all, but he does refer to himself as the Divine Physician, and he also likes acknowledgement of his degree of knowledge, and the amount of time he has existed, etc. In his case it's more like a very highly qualified college or university professor, who knows the level that he is at, and likes being treated accordingly.
The central litmus test here, is the acknowledgement of sovereignty. A spirit that acknowledges, affirms, promotes, or encourages your sovereignty, is a spirit who it is safe or advisable to listen to. A spirit who does not do this, conversely, (or worse, tries to keep you permanently subordinate to them) is not.
"Very truly I tell you Pharisees, anyone who does not enter the sheep pen by the gate, but climbs in by some other way, is a thief and a robber. The one who enters by the gate is the shepherd of the sheep. The gatekeeper opens the gate for him, and the sheep listen to his voice. He calls his own sheep by name and leads them out. When he has brought out all his own, he goes on ahead of them, and his sheep follow him because they know his voice. But they will never follow a stranger; in fact, they will run away from him because they do not recognize a stranger's voice."
-- Jesus Christ, John 10:1-5
Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.
-- 1 John 4:1
Quote from: petrus4 on October 25, 2014, 02:07:40 AM
"Very truly I tell you Pharisees, anyone who does not enter the sheep pen by the gate, but climbs in by some other way, is a thief and a robber. The one who enters by the gate is the shepherd of the sheep. The gatekeeper opens the gate for him, and the sheep listen to his voice. He calls his own sheep by name and leads them out. When he has brought out all his own, he goes on ahead of them, and his sheep follow him because they know his voice. But they will never follow a stranger; in fact, they will run away from him because they do not recognize a stranger's voice."
That is Jesus's version of the
Law of Sheep :P Hey it must be so its written in the Book
-- Jesus Christ, John 10:1-5
QuoteDear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.
-- 1 John 4:1
So all those serial killers out there saying God told them to kill... maybe someone needs to remind them that it MAY be the OTHER guy talking to them
8)
Oddly enough they did this on that TV show Criminal Minds where a guy was killing in the name of God because God was telling him too, Rossi said "Did it ever occur to you that you were talking to Satan the Deceiver?"
At which point the perp cryied out "Oh my god what have I don't!" and broke into tears...
If your going to believe Noah and others in the Bible talked to God you have to allow that He may still talk to people. Conversely the other guy would still be trying to deceive
These days someone says God spoke to them, even devote Christians label them lunatics LOL Ya can't have it both ways...
Quote from: zorgon on October 25, 2014, 02:35:32 AM
If your going to believe Noah and others in the Bible talked to God you have to allow that He may still talk to people. Conversely the other guy would still be trying to deceive
I think people experience varying forms of spiritual communication all the time. I'm not going to limit the possible spirits to either Yahweh or Satan, either. We live in a much, much bigger universe than that.
I think we should be careful when using the term "service ". It smacks of a sense of obligation which I and most people did not consent to. We came into this world not by choice or consent so in a matter of speaking, a form of crime or dis-service has already been committed against us knowingly or not. Since we are here we should try to make the best of our circumstances and try to find a way to escape from this mental prison. We may help others along the way but should not obsess over it. Nobody owes anybody anything.
Quote from: zorgon on October 25, 2014, 02:35:32 AM
These days someone says God spoke to them, even devote Christians label them lunatics LOL Ya can't have it both ways...
You have to have it both ways in order to believe mainstream Christianity because it is self contradictory.
Quote from: petrus4 on October 25, 2014, 02:53:07 AM
I think people experience varying forms of spiritual communication all the time. I'm not going to limit the possible spirits to either Yahweh or Satan, either.
To label YAHWEH as "He" is described in the Babble as all good would be stretching things. He behaves more like an insecure human than an enlightened, all powerful, good God by most standards.
Quote from: onetruekeeper on October 25, 2014, 05:17:20 AM
We came into this world not by choice or consent so in a matter of speaking, a form of crime or dis-service has already been committed against us knowingly or not.
How can you be sure you are not here by consent?
QuoteSince we are here we should try to make the best of our circumstances and try to find a way to escape from this mental prison.
If spiritual systems other than Bibleanity are correct there are different orders/types of being incarnate. Some of them are barely capable of learning anything on current evidence whereas others appear to be here precisely to serve or teach.
QuoteWe may help others along the way but should not obsess over it.
That depends on what type of being you are referring to - if said spiritual systems are legitimate.
QuoteNobody owes anybody anything.
What even if some of us are in service to you?
I suppose I'm trying to say that we are all different and the spiritual (or other) needs or obligations will differ depending on the state of development and class of soul (or personality type in everyday terms). That is one very good reason why religions that dictate a specific way of life or rules/code to all devotees or preach a single truth are ultimately something I shun. One shoe does not fit all.
Quote from: onetruekeeper on October 25, 2014, 05:17:20 AM
I think we should be careful when using the term "service ". It smacks of a sense of obligation which I and most people did not consent to. We came into this world not by choice or consent so in a matter of speaking, a form of crime or dis-service has already been committed against us knowingly or not. Since we are here we should try to make the best of our circumstances and try to find a way to escape from this mental prison. We may help others along the way but should not obsess over it. Nobody owes anybody anything.
Bazinga
Petrus, what group of spirits were you reffering to in your initial post?
Quote from: Sinny on October 25, 2014, 02:07:08 PM
Petrus, what group of spirits were you reffering to in your initial post?
The Nine. Generally speaking, however, I'm going to be at least suspicious of any channelling which claims to be from a well-known archangel or God, unless I've personally been in contact with said spirit myself, and have actually got to know them. There are a lot of people claiming to channel big name spirits, and you are usually dealing with mixed polarity impostors at best. I've seen someone channel a spirit named Sananda who also claimed to essentially be Jesus with another name, and after reading a bit of it, I knew I wasn't going near it with a barge pole.
I know of one, and only one person who claims to channel archangel Michael, who I am prepared to consider genuine. The Judeo/Christian archangels simply don't talk all that much, truth be told. Michael is the ambassador for the four cardinals, so he is a bit more friendly and laid back than the other three; but Gabriel and Raphael in particular are very strictly business, especially the latter. I haven't seen any channelling of Metatron yet which I was prepared to trust.
I've never seen any channelling of Jesus that I wasn't at least marginally iffy about, either. There is so much of a risk of impostors when it comes to religious figures, that unless you have prior knowledge of the being in question yourself, it's really not worth the risk.
The really dangerous ones, mind you, or those who will truly lead you down the proverbial garden path, are the spirits who claim to be ETs. The reason why is because, given that you have no frame of reference for what ETs are supposed to be like, the spirit in question can say whatever it wants. A spirit claiming to be Jesus at least has to maintain a
certain basic standard of behaviour, but something claiming to be ET, no. Ashtar can talk about whatever twisted crap he likes, and as long as he throws in the words, "love and light," occasionally, then the poor rubes who normally call him up won't know any better.
Positively polarised spirits in general don't talk as much as the negatives. I'm willing to speculate that I've
maybe had two genuine contacts (but by that I mean mental, and one of them was when I was tripping on mushrooms) with the Pleiadians, but they said less than half a dozen words to me, both times. The negatives will fill your head with whatever crap comes into their minds, but the positives generally know what they want to say, say it, and then leave you alone.
The other problem with New Agers, is that they are basically muggles. They don't do proper magickal evocations at all, because they generally don't know how to. They basically just sit down, go into trance, and invite in whoever feels like it to a large extent; and I'm sure you can imagine how well that turns out, on some occasions at least.
A responsible magician will draw up a Solomonic circle and triangle before trying to call up a spirit. The circle is basically the equivalent of the anti-shark tank that divers will use, when they get lowered into water where they know they will be swimming with sharks. If you stay inside the circle, and if you banish before hand and preferably also invoke your God, then you will generally be all right. The triangle is also the restraining space that the spirit itself gets called into; and it has the name of Michael written on the three sides in order to ensure that the spirit behaves itself. That is another layer of protection.
I've also had bad trips, so on the very few occasions when I'm actually going to do something, I know from direct experience not to mess around and take stupid risks. To be honest, Christianity is actually correct when it tells people not to go near magick, for the most part. The difference with me, however, is that I've known I am a magician since I was a child, but I never did anything with it until my mid 20s, and even now I don't, for the most part. Christians can tell me I'm going to Hell, and maybe I am; but the thing that I ultimately had to accept was the fact that for good or bad, magick is simply part of who I am.
I'm going to be arrogant here in closing, and say it flat out that the difference between a real magician and a dumb New Ager, is the same as the difference between anyone who has done something potentially dangerous, and someone who hasn't. You
can get out of most magickal operations with your skin and soul intact, but the fact of the matter is that it is still possible for all kinds of things to go wrong if you are reckless or idiotic. The Work needs to be respected, or you will get into trouble, and you will deserve to.
::) :o
Petrus, could you provide me with an example or two of what you deem to be genuine contact?
Also, your opinion on the Ra Material, and finally.. How does one know if they are a magician or not...
Quote from: onetruekeeper on October 25, 2014, 05:17:20 AMWe came into this world not by choice or consent so in a matter of speaking, a form of crime or dis-service has already been committed against us knowingly or not.
Well that depends on what you choose to believe. For those that are firm believers in reincarnation and the Akashic Record, it is YOU who sits in judgement of your past life and it is YOU that chooses the next assignment. I am in my 8th cycle on this planet... I have one more to go. Even John Lear has discovered that this is the way it works Seems "Sleeper" explained it to him and that he is in his last cycle here
QuoteSince we are here we should try to make the best of our circumstances and try to find a way to escape from this mental prison.
It is not a prison... it is a school. You have chosen the lesson and forces are in place to ensure you work to complete that lesson. THIS is why we do not remember previous lives, because that memory would interfere with the current lesson. You DO have the choice to ignore the lesson, but life will repeatedly toss things at you to put you back on track. If you fail, at the end you get to say "Crap did I ever mess THAT up" and do it over.
Hypnotic regression can bring back memories, so can advances studies (like Rosicrucian teachings). That afterall is the purpose of real esoteric societies
Regards the school though, Earth is at Kindergarten level. This is why we are so isolated from the main stream Galaxy. People talk about Earth being ready for mass Ascension? LOL what a joke. That is like letting a first grader perform brain surgery
QuoteWe may help others along the way but should not obsess over it. Nobody owes anybody anything.
THIS is true... We all walk a lonely path. Each one has his own path to reach his/her destination. However from time to time we share the same path.... and from time to time we can share what we have learned with other seekers.
But you cannot FORCE this on anyone... you can teach, you can show the way, but THEY have to chose if it is right for them. This is why religions cause so much war and grief... because they chose to try teaching by FORCE
A Sensei once told me "If I can teach but ONE student who truly understands, then my life is complete"
A sign above the entrance to the Potala in Tibet says (translated) "A Thousand Monks, A Thousand Religions"
Teachers like Buddha, Jesus, etc have chosen to return to Earth to teach those who are ready to listen
Life after death?
Yes there is. Can I prove it to you? No But I do not NEED to prove it, because IF there is no life after death and you are naught but food for worms, then it is a moot point. But if there IS life after death, then perhaps I can teach you enough to at least face whoever or whatever sits in Judgement on that day so you can face it and stand tall and say "I did no evil"
I have all the proof I need... my dad came back from the dead breifley... scared the daylights out of the nurse, stumped the doctors. I have told the story here in several threads.
My first wife when we came to Toronto, saw her aunt. We were sitting in the subway and suddenly she started talking with her aunt like she was right there. I saw no one. We found out later that day her aunt had passed.
Years of study of all religions and my Rosicrucian lessons have given me all the proof I need. I have no need to convince you or anyone. Time will reveal all to you.
In the meantime Yes make the best use of your time here and DO learn whatever skills you can, because I will tell you that YES they DO carry forward
That is right on the nail there Z .... very, very, accurate account .... :)
And no matter what others may believe it has absolutely NO affect on this.
The only one, any of this has affect on, is our Individual 'Selves' at the End of the Day.
When this present experience ends, we are entirely alone, and on the passing, there is ONLY our real 'SELF',
which is a small 'Partition' of LIFE. (Singular)
Having experienced Death and finding Death is nothing more than a 'human Myth', as our 'Real Selves' don't,
and can NOT Die even IF one wishes to. :)
It is only a Chapter of the 'Story' that ends, as do all 'Chapters' in a 'Book'.
And YES, this experience in the Earth Program is like 'Kindergarten', because during the experiences
involving the Earth, is WHEN the 'Metamorphoses of the Soul' takes Place.
(most are not even aware of this in the Earth Program because they sleep. :)
This life is a 'lesson' unto what end?
If Eartly life is so lowely, what can we learn from this tedious material world?
How to shine shoes? How to manage finances? The difference between being 'good' and 'evil'?
Why? Unto what end?
Quote from: Sinny on October 25, 2014, 09:52:31 PM
This life is a 'lesson' unto what end?
If Eartly life is so lowely, what can we learn from this tedious material world?
How to shine shoes? How to manage finances? The difference between being 'good' and 'evil'?
Why? Unto what end?
You have found
WHY !You have asked the
'QUESTION' witnessed by what you have written.
So the System works just fine, even if it can not be understood at this time ... :)
The '
Answer' will come !
NOT in 'thought' .... but through
ACTION !NOT your Action .... but from
LIFE. :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXeF1rMkpQw
Schools and prisons seem to operate on similar principles. The students and inmates are there not of their choice. There is forced learning and correction.There is a school principal and a prison warden. There are hall monitors and prison guards. There are classes and cells. Oh yeah..and them bells ringing on the hour every hour of the day..LOL
Quote from: Sinny on October 25, 2014, 09:52:31 PM
This life is a 'lesson' unto what end?
Depends... you may have chosen the Karmic Lesson "Humility" this life time
QuoteIf Earthly life is so lowly, what can we learn from this tedious material world?
The basic lessons that make us human. We have over 9 senses actually closer to 26 How many people have mastered those?
Can you do telepathy? We know it exists but even the best human telepath is barely breaking the ice
We have mastered the skills of war and creating death and despair... we have mastered envy... we have mastered greed... do these sound like skills higher beings would be proud of?
QuoteHow to shine shoes? How to manage finances?
Well oddly enough learning the TRUE value of money/gold IS one of the Karmic Lessons. Very few people on this old rock have mastered that yet. They
Think they have but they haven't
QuoteThe difference between being 'good' and 'evil'?
THAT would take several lifetimes to master because it is not as clear cut as you might think.
One question on the entrance 'exam' of several esoteric societies is
"Should you obey the law?"
Now on the face of it it seems a simple enough question... and in this case the 'law' referred to is the legal system of what ever country or state you live in.
Logic might tell you to answer "Yes" But in fact the answer is far more complicated. It CAN be summed up easily by this quote
" "If a law is unjust, a man is not only right to disobey it, he is obligated to do so." - Thomas Jefferson:
QuoteWhy? Unto what end?
Perhaps to become a God 8) We can only surmise what lies ahead for our spirit as we have no context to compare it to. All we can do is try to learn
However there is ONE skill that a human can develop,
Epistemologythe study or a theory of the nature and grounds of knowledge especially with reference to its limits and validity
I looked up Hubert Dreyfus, who's a world-renowned professor of philosophy, and I talked with him about this, and he said, "This is one of the oldest and most central problems in philosophy. It goes back to the Skeptics, and up through Descartes. It's the issue of epistemology, the study of how do we know that something is true." - 4 lessons from robots about being human (http://www.ted.com/talks/ken_goldberg_4_lessons_from_robots_about_being_human/transcript?language=en)
Simply put this is a skill that allows us to KNOW when something is true or not. We all have it to some degree, but develop this ability and fine tune it, and use it during your search for understanding, and you will find those things that 'ring true'
Proper numerology can point you to what lesson you are currently in... it can show you what level you are at. It does not matter if you BELIEVE in Numerology... because when you do a 'chart' it will become apparent to you that a lot of it 'rings true' to you personally
I would recommend using THIS book as it is broken down into easy to follow sections
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51DiUGNQt7L._SY344_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg) (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0060913053/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=211189&creative=373489&creativeASIN=0060913053&link_code=as3&tag=pegasreseacon-20&linkId=LC2CQHFA6LU4SG4Q)
It's All in Your Numbers: The Secrets of Numerology
by Kathleen Roquemore (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0060913053/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=211189&creative=373489&creativeASIN=0060913053&link_code=as3&tag=pegasreseacon-20&linkId=LC2CQHFA6LU4SG4Q)
While this book is good enough to set you up as a READER I would suggest you NOT do readings for your friends... because you will soon loose them
People are very uncomfortable when you know to much about them
The way this book works it basically gives a person an insight into themselves. This serves to convince people that it is real. As a READER you now know what that person is truly like... you do this so they will believe when you get to their destiny. Best not to dabble beyond seeking your own path
Quote from: onetruekeeper on October 26, 2014, 01:48:07 AM
Schools and prisons seem to operate on similar principles. The students and inmates are there not of their choice. There is forced learning and correction.
Very true and most kids NEED to be locked in for the day LOL
But it is like everything else in life... YOU DO HAVE A CHOICE. The problem is We the Sheeple are LAZY so we prefer to let them lock up our kids and spoon feed them the current crap... just enough to barely get by in the real world
But there are choices. If the student works hard outside the school to achieve knowledge that student can apply to a better school where the student chooses the program
Here in Las Vegas most high shcools look like prisons No windows, barred fences, if your late you need to go in the front door past the office... but students who make a name for themselves can apply to the Academy... lots of windows and freedom no hall monitors, student picks the subjects they want (usually arts music or science)
Back in Toronto my high school was such a school It was and Arts and Science Academy... we had machine shops, metal shops and auto shops... We had performing arts, graphic arts and (new at that time) computer arts... we had real chemistry and biology labs No hall monitors you came and went as you pleased. If you missed a class, so long as you caught up the work there was no problem Even when the whole class decided we needed to go skiing for the day LOL
Today here in Las Vegas Clark County School district is ADVERTISING on TV for home schooling. They will provide all the books and study material needed for FREE. All that is required is a responsible parent that is willing to take the time
Office for Home Schooling
http://ccsd.net/divisions/education-services-division/home-schooling
A student may be excused from compulsory attendance at a public school when written evidence is provided to the school district that a student will receive equivalent instruction. Upon receipt of such document, CCSD provides a home school exemption letter to the student's parent(s).
So there are always options for those willing to fend for themselves and step out of the Flock
In a upcoming post I will discuss how we might be able to construct "tools" which might help us escape from this maximum security prison for our minds..LOL
No guarantees that it would work though.
Quote from: Sinny on October 25, 2014, 05:24:39 PM
Petrus, could you provide me with an example or two of what you deem to be genuine contact?
As I've written before, it's all about replicability.
* Does the spirit provide any form of information that can be verified in physical space? If it says something is going to happen in the future, does said thing happen?
Bashar gave a prediction of a very similar incident to 9/11, in 1998. He wasn't exact in terms of the date, but he mentioned three years, and he said that the energetic buildup to it had already reached the point of a "98% chance."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8WB9AgjGSU
The above is an example of proper clairvoyance; that is, how it is supposed to be done. Most of us probably remember the false message received by Blossom Goodchild some years ago, where she was deceived by Ashtar. As Bashar actually implies here, prediction is an extremely dicey business, which is why to a large extent it generally should not be done. It is a case of spirits (generally the equivalent of fifth density or higher, in Ra's classification system) being able to look across multiple timelines as well as our own, and from there determine which of said timelines, the current energetic momentum is primarily leading us towards. Said momentum can, however, change. There is no such thing as 100% prophetic certainty.
* Is the spirit's personality, use of vocabulary/speech/inflection consistent with your observation of it from past experience? Does its' appearance match what you have seen before, or the accounts that others have given of it?
When I've summoned master Raphael, my description of his appearance matched that of a woman I know on another forum who has also done so. He is close to twelve feet tall, with tight blonde curls, and he favours eighteenth century clothing.
(http://www.pyracantha.com/images/raphael.jpg)
* Correspondences: If the spirit is known to like a particular type of incense, or other form of planetary correspondence, was it used to summon the spirit for the channelling you are reading? Is there a particular piece of music which the spirit is known to particularly like, which you've heard before, but which is also used to summon the spirit?
After summoning master Raphael, I received clear impressions more than once, that a favourite piece of music of his is Pachelbel's Canon in D. He also very much likes yellow roses, and these can be used as a means of rewarding him for his services as a healer. Yellow rose or solar correspondence incense can also be used to aid in summoning him, and there is a particular ritual called the Rose Cross which draws energy from his specific sephiroth, Tiphareth.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TF6cnLnEARo
A year or two after I first learned that, I started listening to
An Hour With An Angel (http://www.blogtalkradio.com/inlight_radio) where a woman named Linda Dillon claimed to channel the four cardinals, including Michael and Raphael. This radio show's introductory music is always Pachelbel's Canon. Raphael has only been channelled once or twice by Linda, (she more commonly channels Michael) and when he spoke through her, his attitude of terseness and verbal brevity was the same as what I had experienced with him; and this was in marked contrast with Michael. Some spirits are extroverts and talkers, just like some people. Others are not.
* Does the spirit give philosophical information (such as the STO/STS ethical model within the Ra material) that can be verified through real-world observation?[/li][/list]
I will quite happily challenge anyone here to read about the Service to Self/Service to Others (otherwise known, incidentally, as yin and yang) ethical model, and then see if it does not apply to literally every life situation you can find.
QuoteAlso, your opinion on the Ra Material
The STO/STS paradigm has, at this point, become one of the core elements of my own ethical model; and again, this is because as far as I am concerned, it has universal applicability. Many elements of Bashar's philosophy have also been of great practical relevance to me at times, as well.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mz90E9e8QQ
QuoteAlso, your opinion on the Ra Material
The STO/STS paradigm has at this point become one of the core elements of my own ethical model.
The primary ethical definition of Service to Self is
self-aggrandisement at others' expense. The definition of Service to Others, conversely, is
action which indirectly benefits the self, by directly benefiting others.In other words, the proverbial win/win scenario is STO. Martyrdom on the other hand is tricky, and can at times actually be STS; because often you will have members of the military or intelligence community and such, who while they will use the rationale that they are supposedly fighting and dying for the benefit of others, the end result tends to be the continuation of war and loss of life, or that the cause of other STS individuals is advanced in other ways. It's what I might call the "Manning the Wall," or "Colonel Jessup," argument.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5j2F4VcBmeo
This is also the reason why I refuse to thank veterans for their service, or otherwise believe that what they are doing is justifiable.
Participation in war perpetuates war. This is not rocket science.
The appropriate, STO ethical response, and that which would truly save lives, would be for said soldiers to be willing to go to jail rather than participate. If the politicians ordered a war, but none of the military were willing to participate, then the war would not happen. It's that simple. If the military want my thanks for their service, then they will either conscientiously object and accept a jail sentence, or they will participate in an effort to overthrow the government; and the reason why I say that, is because either of those two acts are capable of having the direct outcome of stopping or preventing further wars. Following orders will not.
Quoteand finally.. How does one know if they are a magician or not...
In my case, I was at a Christmas nativity play at the age of ten, at the point where the players sang
We Three Kings.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8mjRxkMBkE
I began crying, because I already knew about Revelations' prohibition against the use of magick; and I had had an interest in the paranormal since probably the age of five. The three wise men are usually assumed to have been astrologers, (and have even been referred to as magi in some translations) and probably from Iran. They were, for a long time, probably the most relatable figures in the Bible for me.
I've also played various computer games since a very young age, and have almost always taken the magician/wizard character class whenever it has been available. Over time, I grew to love the wizard archetype's emphasis not only on problem solving, but on the ability to solve said problems.
Until probably two years ago, I've always had a very difficult psychological relationship with Christianity; and one of the reasons for my apostasy, was the fact that I received constant reinforcement from Christians during adolescence, about the idea that I was damned. In an email here, not long ago rdunk offered me an invitation to a local church, which I was unable to accept; I still generally can not tolerate social interaction with Christians, due to the level of expectation I have, that I will be psychologically abused by them.
The single main reason why I've also always had an advanced fear of and obsession with Freemasonry and the Illuminati as well, is because truthfully I also find them intensely relateable. I've always had strong interests in evocation, alchemy, astrology, and what little I've been able to learn about sacred geometry.
(http://momentumbooks.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/sw_ripley_alien-3.jpg)
The above image very aptly describes the nature of my psychological relationship with the cabal, as an idea. There is an attraction, and truthfully I am less afraid of them themselves, than I am of potential association with them.
Quote from: Sinny on October 25, 2014, 09:52:31 PM
This life is a 'lesson' unto what end?
*snip*
Why? Unto what end?
Consciousness learning about itself because it wants to. Does there have to be a purpose other than doing something you want?
There are two main secret society viewpoints really. One is Dualist and this world is seen as the creation of what is practically seen as the Devil and is an illusion. Souls are seen as essentially trapped in this world and have in most cases forgotten their incorporeal nature. This viewpoint means that this experience is a terrible evil to be escaped. From this viewpoint comes ideas like pleasures of the flesh are evil. The Cathars believed something like that as do many mystical religious types.
There is another point of view, which is more oriented towards the idea that the whole of what we experience is all part of something real although it also accepts that what it appears to be might be an illusion created by
OURSELVES as opposed to an external Devil. In this case there is no external Satan to fight, we create our own heaven and hell here. Evil and Good are just about perspective and are two sides of the same coin and in this wholist conception the idea of a Good God and a Devil make little sense - except they are given a spiritual form of sorts by human thought forms. They are not really the creators of our world.
Both believe in the main in the possibility of reincarnation but one thinks it is a bad thing and the others a positive learning experience. Most mainstream religion (including some aspects of Buddhism) derive from the dualist interpretation - although almost all religions probably have a mystical sect or secret society that have realised the truth.
Quote from: onetruekeeper on October 26, 2014, 05:55:58 AM
In a upcoming post I will discuss how we might be able to construct "tools" which might help us escape from this maximum security prison for our minds..LOL
No guarantees that it would work though.
/quote]The key is to stop imprisoning ourselves within a prison of our own creation - if you think all this hocus pocus is real.
Petrus, cool pik, cool post.
I currently have my BS detectors/deflectors up to a high degree, admittedly, this may be causing a drain on my 'open-mind'' ability.
Names such as 'Bashar' and 'Michael' etc etc... Just don't sit with me, never have.
Especially since I came across 'Secret Cypher of the UFOnauts', which lends a different perspective even on the most basic aspects of 'contact'.
To hear people stating 'I'm on my last incarnation' is extrememly strange to me.
It's almost as if these beliefs link closely to one's ego. A sense of special purpose etc etc.
I'm not a true Christian, although the faith is a large part of my culture and heritage. However, having stated that, I exlore all avenue's and perspective's, and in my opinion, the Christians tend to point out some pretty obvious 'duhhs' in what I deem to be New Age beliefs...
I firmly believe my conciousness will go on being concious somewhere, somehow after this body has turned to ash. There is inceasing evidence of this.
However, I'm not ready to take a 'leap' on the rest of it.
By the fruit ye shall know them.
I don't see any good fruit, therefore I am cautious.
You exist.
There is nothing more you need to understand.
Quote from: onetruekeeper on October 26, 2014, 04:04:27 PM
You exist.
There is nothing more you need to understand.
Wow. You sound just like the elite.
Nobody created the Matrix prison we seem to be in now in my opinion. I and everyone else seem to have been born into it from the start. Why?
I do not have the answer. Only a deranged individual would want to live in a hellhole like our world. I certainly would not have chosen to come here if given the choice.
It seems one of the primary means the Matrix keeps us imprisoned is through our attention. We are distracted constantly by the demands put on us by the Matrix. We are forced to go to work to earn our pay, we are forced to socialize with others, we are forced to go to school or religious institutions to learn more garbage to keep us confused and docile. We are forced to maintain and satisfy these meat bags we live in. All of these things require our undivided attention therefore a possible solution to escaping the Matrix could be through the refocusing of our attention on another reality which I would call the " real world ".
To get to the real world we need to first un-focus from the Matrix. To do this we need to stop paying attention to the items of our world. Turn off the television and computer. Put down our newspapers, bibles, books on UFO's and the occult and quantum physics. These are all distractions of the Matrix.
Sit in a comfortable chair, put on subdued lighting, and face a blank wall. Let the mind drift. Put all daily concerns aside. As the Matrix starts to fade from focus, another reality should start to come into focus. This reality, the real world , is something we were very familiar as young children for we would spend most of our time there engaged in our "imaginary " activities. This is the place we need to escape to. Here, all of our desires and potentials can be realized. Our consciousness needs to sever all it's focus from the Matrix in order to permanently exist in the real world. I believe this can be realized. It will take time and persistence but I believe it will be worth it.
I believe the real world to be just as real, if not more so than the Matrix. Experiences there are more vivid and intense. The Matrix pales in comparison. The real world is not made of atoms but is a creation of mind. I think when we physically die we go to the real world but why wait until that happens when we can get there sooner without having to "die" ?
The Matrix might play mind games with us to trick us into staying but it is not allowed to physically force us to stay against our will. That much I am certain.
onetruekeeper
Can you please define what your
believe the Matrix to be ?
This is the Dictionary Definition of the word
Matrix: is Quote;
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/matrix
Quoten. pl. ma·tri·ces (mtr-sz, mtr-) or ma·trix·es
1. A situation or surrounding substance within which something else originates, develops, or is contained: "Freedom of expression is the matrix, the indispensable condition, of nearly every form of freedom" (Benjamin N. Cardozo).
2. The womb.
3. Anatomy
a. The formative cells or tissue of a fingernail, toenail, or tooth.
b. See ground substance.
4. Geology
a. The solid matter in which a fossil or crystal is embedded.
b. Groundmass.
5. A mold or die.
6. The principal metal in an alloy, as the iron in steel.
7. A binding substance, as cement in concrete.
8.
a. Mathematics A rectangular array of numeric or algebraic quantities subject to mathematical operations.
b. Something resembling such an array, as in the regular formation of elements into columns and rows.
9. Computer Science The network of intersections between input and output leads in a computer, functioning as an encoder or a decoder.
10. Printing
a. A mold used in stereotyping and designed to receive positive impressions of type or illustrations from which metal plates can be cast. Also called mat2.
b. A metal plate used for casting typefaces.
11. An electroplated impression of a phonograph record used to make duplicate records.
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n, pl matrices (?me?tr??si?z; ?mæ-) or matrixes
1. a substance, situation, or environment in which something has its origin, takes form, or is enclosed
2. (Anatomy) anatomy the thick tissue at the base of a nail from which a fingernail or toenail develops
3. (Biology) the intercellular substance of bone, cartilage, connective tissue, etc
4. (Geological Science)
a. the rock material in which fossils, pebbles, etc, are embedded
b. the material in which a mineral is embedded; gangue
5. (Printing, Lithography & Bookbinding) printing
a. a metal mould for casting type
b. a papier-mâché or plastic mould impressed from the forme and used for stereotyping. Sometimes shortened to: mat
6. (Electronics) (formerly) a mould used in the production of gramophone records. It is obtained by electrodeposition onto the master
7. (Mechanical Engineering) a bed of perforated material placed beneath a workpiece in a press or stamping machine against which the punch operates
8. (Metallurgy) metallurgy
a. the shaped cathode used in electroforming
b. the metal constituting the major part of an alloy
c. the soft metal in a plain bearing in which the hard particles of surface metal are embedded
9. (Chemistry) the main component of a composite material, such as the plastic in a fibre-reinforced plastic
10. (Mathematics) maths a rectangular array of elements set out in rows and columns, used to facilitate the solution of problems, such as the transformation of coordinates. Usually indicated by parentheses: (). Compare determinant3
11. (Linguistics) linguistics the main clause of a complex sentence
12. (Computer Science) computing a rectangular array of circuit elements usually used to generate one set of signals from another
13. (Anatomy) the womb
[C16: from Latin: womb, female animal used for breeding, from m?ter mother]
Quote from: The Matrix Traveller on October 27, 2014, 02:24:22 AM
onetruekeeper
Can you please define what your believe the Matrix to be ?
This is the Dictionary Definition of the word Matrix: is Quote;
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/matrix
I don't know who or what created the Matrix or what it's existence means to be.
Quote from: Sinny on October 26, 2014, 11:26:48 AM
I don't see any good fruit, therefore I am cautious.
Perhaps someone ahead of you ate all those fruits and left you the pits.
8)
Quote from: Sinny on October 26, 2014, 11:26:48 AM
To hear people stating 'I'm on my last incarnation' is extrememly strange to me.
It's almost as if these beliefs link closely to one's ego. A sense of special purpose etc etc.
or...
...it is based on years of research and finding answers that work for the One...
We say "Cat's have Nine Lives" Has anyone bothered to understand where this comes from?
When you finish grade school you mat chose whether or not to go to high school... but you know you are done with grade school... it is really that simple
Quote from: zorgon on October 27, 2014, 03:19:41 AM
or...
...it is based on years of research and finding answers that work for the One...
We say "Cat's have Nine Lives" Has anyone bothered to understand where this comes from?
When you finish grade school you mat chose whether or not to go to high school... but you know you are done with grade school... it is really that simple
I can understand why the concept of re-incarnation would be comforting to a lot of people since it hints of immortality but if they really looked closely at it's implication they would see a frightening aspect to it. For instance, the memories of one's previous life would be completely erased or suppressed, so whatever knowledge, skills one might have gained in that life would have to be re-learned in the next. One also has no say as to what gender, race or culture or time period one would like to be born into. One also has no say as to one's economic and social status in the next life. One also has no say as to the condition of the body in the next life, one could be born blind, deaf, dumb or all three!
Zorgon, can you say that you were able to choose how your current life would play out?
QuoteI can understand why the concept of re-incarnation would be comforting to a lot of people since it hints of immortality but if they really looked closely at it's implication they would see a frightening aspect to it. For instance, the memories of one's previous life would be completely erased or suppressed, so whatever knowledge, skills one might have gained in that life would have to be re-learned in the next. One also has no say as to what gender, race or culture or time period one would like to be born into. One also has no say as to one's economic and social status in the next life. One also has no say as to the condition of the body in the next life, one could be born blind, deaf, dumb or all three!
Your fears and insecurity are based on assumptions only, I guess.
I was legally pronounced Dead in 1973 for a period
exceeding 30 minutes and I can say,
your fears are totally unfounded, based on uncertainty perhaps Fear ?
When the 'focus' of
your mind returns to the '
Outer End', instead of experiencing the Earth Program,
ones view is totally different, than that
through the 'human
Primate'.
To understand, you have to step outside the 'Square', and view things from
LIFEs Point of view,
and
NOT through the 'human
Primate'.
Your 'Real Self', is in fact '
All knowing', but in order to experience, Our '
True Mind' (
LIFE)
views from the '
Absolute centre', so in
this location is in the Location of '
Ignorance',
in order to be able to experience what
YOU wrote, before being born into that experience. :)
The 'function' of this Program, (Earth) is
NOT for the 'human
Primate', but instead for your '
Real Self'.
You, that is to say your '
Real Self' or a '
Partition of LIFE', Compiled the 'Experience' you are having,
but your body ('
Avatar') doesn't even Know you exist.
Check this out for yourself,
IF you don't believe me.
See if any part of your body knows your '
Real Self'
?That's right
NOT a single Component of your flesh, knows YOU !
The only One who is Aware of anything is
AWARENESS that is
WHY it is called '
Awareness' !
Your Body is
NOT '
Awareness' but rather
WHAT '
The Real YOU' ('
Awareness') is experiencing....
'
The Real YOU' is
Living, but your body is the experience.
What most
believe this world is for, isn't at all ! :(
What I have written is
NOT a
belief, or based on belief, but discovered
through Experiencing Death.
Quote from: zorgon on October 27, 2014, 03:19:41 AM
We say "Cat's have Nine Lives" Has anyone bothered to understand where this comes from?
In Portugal we say they have seven.
Quote from: The Matrix Traveller on October 27, 2014, 08:23:31 AM
What I have written is NOT a belief, or based on belief, but discovered through Experiencing Death.
Shouldn't that be what you believe happened?
How can anyone be sure that their interpretation of what they think they experienced is true?
Quote from: ArMaP on October 27, 2014, 09:18:03 AM
Shouldn't that be what you believe happened?
How can anyone be sure that their interpretation of what they think they experienced is true?
:)
I understand your Uneasiness ..... But that shall change ... :)
When your time comes, which you can't avoid, you will then know for yourself.
It happens to all of us, sooner or later. :)
One has to experience it, or one is
only guessing ...
What you expect, won't happen, and what you don't expect to happen, Shall happen ! :)
Quote from: The Matrix Traveller on October 27, 2014, 09:42:40 AM
:)
I understand your Uneasiness ..... But that shall change ... :)
It's not uneasiness, I just think everybody's opinions are just that, including mine. :)
Quote from: ArMaP on October 27, 2014, 09:15:08 AM
In Portugal we say they have seven.
Really? So why did Portugal go against the rest of the world and change it to seven?
::)
Quote from: onetruekeeper on October 27, 2014, 01:06:45 AM
To get to the real world we need to first un-focus from the Matrix. To do this we need to stop paying attention to the items of our world. Turn off the television and computer. Put down our newspapers, bibles, books on UFO's and the occult and quantum physics. These are all distractions of the Matrix.
Buddhism! :)
QuoteThe real world is not made of atoms but is a creation of mind.
There is another possiblity. If there is only mind, then in order to have a meaningful experience mind has to create what you think is the Matrix or something like it.
In order to have a subjective experience, the one mind had to divide itself into more than one thing in order to have an object - or objective experience. That object is the Universe. You call it the Matrix.
Yes it may be possible to become aware of pure consciousness undivided, but that is only part of reality. The world of subject and object is a part of the whole.
The problem with Buddhism, philosophically speaking, is that it sees the world as an illusion, therefore you do not exist and cannot break free from the experience in the first place. Think about it. You cannot escape from a place that does not exist - consciousness/mind is that reality and must be real therwise you could not be here to escape in the first place. :o
That is why I call Buddhism the path of negation. If its central premise were correct Buddhism has no purpose in the first place - in fact it would not exist. ::)
If you believe the sphere of mind/consciousness is all, then the physical world is real as it is part of it and also the cause of it. In fact it is the beginning and end of creation, called in Kabbala Kether.
Or we are just dead matter and this is all BS. :P
P.S. WTF do cats have to do with it? LOL
Quote from: zorgon on October 27, 2014, 11:19:38 AM
Really? So why did Portugal go against the rest of the world and change it to seven?
::)
It's not the rest of the world, other European countries use the seven lives version, and the Arabic version is only six.
Quote from: zorgon on October 27, 2014, 03:19:41 AM
We say "Cat's have Nine Lives" Has anyone bothered to understand where this comes from?
I grew up learning that it was because they always landed on their feet.
Quote
Nine lives
According to a myth in many cultures, cats have nine (or sometimes seven) lives. The myth is attributed to the natural suppleness and swiftness cats exhibit to escape life-threatening situations. Also lending credence to this myth is that falling cats often land on their feet because of an inbuilt automatic twisting reaction and are able to twist their bodies around to land feet first, though they can still be injured or killed by a high fall.
Do you know why cat's have nine lives -- or did you ever wonder why people say they do? This is the story. A very hungry cat entered a house one day and found a plate of nine fish that were going to be eaten for dinner by the nine starving children who lived there. The cat was feeling a little selfish that day and ate up all of the fish in nine quick bites. With no food on the table, the nine starving children died of hunger the very next day, along with the cat who died from eating WAY too much. When the cat went up to heaven and spoke with God, God was so angry with the cat that he threw him out of heaven and made him fall for nine days all the way back to earth. To this day, the cat still holds the nine lives of the starving children in his belly, which is why he must die nine different times before he will stay dead.
(Good myth, never heard of it.)Source:http://www.ustrek.org/odyssey/semester2/...
Stephen St Claire goes on to note an even more astounding ability of cats to quite literally land on their feet by routinely surviving and completely recovering from falls that would kill most animals (including humans). On the basis of a survey in the late 1980s (based on reports from vets... as opposed to intentionally dropping the cats), 132 cats fell from an average of 5.5 stories but with only about one third requiring emergency treatment, another third non-emergency treatment, and one third no treatment at all. St Claire notes that the highest recorded fall survived by a cat was 45 stories! Apparently, the adage of a cat having nine lives has a scientific, experiential basis.
http://www.halexandria.org/dward765.htm
Although cats do not have nine lives, they do seem to. Cats can fall from tremendous heights and jump seven times their tail length. http://www.ac.wwu.edu/~bgoebel/Russell/A...
The well-known saying that a cat has nine lives has its origins in witchcraft. A book titled Beware the Cat written by English author William Baldwin during the Dark Ages in 1584 contained the phrase "It is permitted for a witch to take her cat's body nine times". Thus the idea that cats have nine lives. http://pets1st.com/articles/00072legends...
http://www.press.uchicago.edu/Misc/Chica...
SCIENTISTS have discovered that the purring of cats is a "natural healing mechanism" that has helped inspire the myth that they have nine lives. Wounded cats - wild and domestic - purr because it helps their bones and organs to heal and grow stronger, say researchers who have analysed the purring of different feline species. This, they say, explains why cats survive falls from high buildings and why they are said to have "nine lives". http://www.telegraph.co.uk/connected/mai...
The cat having nine lives represents the unique relation to humans. The legend of Noah and his Ark are well known but there is another legend that is associated with this that many people have never heard. There weren't any domestic cats when Noah built the Ark, but there were rats and mice on board. They reproduced and soon there were too many vermin. Noah asked the lion for help so the lion sneezed and this is when the first domestic cats appeared to help rid of the vermin.? http://www.sfsu.edu/~geog/bholzman/cours...
https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090528024707AAPZZGw
Buddhists for the most part do not believe in or speculate about GOD or gods, souls, life after death, anything they cannot verify with their own senses. Since they are not a religion are they some philosophical or political movement?
Quote from: onetruekeeper on October 27, 2014, 05:33:20 PM
Buddhists for the most part do not believe in or speculate about GOD or gods, souls, life after death, anything they cannot verify with their own senses. Since they are not a religion are they some philosophical or political movement?
Religion is
part of politics !
The Roman church was an institution of the so called 'holy Roman empire' and still is today.
Where all depts. including civilians are subject to and controlled by the law (Courts) and church.
Both of which involve Informant services. One of the reasons for confession.
What do you know about the Structure of Roman gov. for example, the church of Rome
and its part it played in Roman gov. back to 1900 years ago?
What many believe Buddhism is about, is usually misunderstood by those who are not Buddhist. :)
Quote from: The Matrix Traveller on October 27, 2014, 06:49:42 PM
What many believe Buddhism is about, is usually misunderstood by those who are not Buddhist. :)
Quite true... but then Hu-mons tend to love talking about and killing each other over their pet version of religion or politics.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQFKtI6gn9Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQFKtI6gn9Y
Quote from: zorgon on October 27, 2014, 07:28:00 PM
Quite true... but then Hu-mons tend to love talking about and killing each other over their pet version of religion or politics.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQFKtI6gn9Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQFKtI6gn9Y
Must I become a Buddhist to have the credentials to speculate about it?
Quote from: onetruekeeper on October 28, 2014, 01:47:15 AM
Must I become a Buddhist to have the credentials to speculate about it?
NO..... I am
NOT Buddhist .... :)
Quote from: onetruekeeper on October 27, 2014, 05:10:54 AM
I can understand why the concept of re-incarnation would be comforting to a lot of people since it hints of immortality but if they really looked closely at it's implication they would see a frightening aspect to it.
We only fear that which we do not understand
QuoteFor instance, the memories of one's previous life would be completely erased or suppressed, so whatever knowledge, skills one might have gained in that life would have to be re-learned in the next.
This is not the way it works. Skills like that carry forward... I guess you could say subconsciously. If you look around you do you not see people that we know are born with certain skills? I could make a long list of examples of people who at a very young age are already masters at some skills. The rest of us all have certain abilities that we just instinctively use. We did not learn them this time around so how is it we KNOW how to do some things? Are they hereditary skills or did we retain them from previous experience?
Now I have no interest in trying to convince you... but you asked :P Too many people say they are seekers but when you show them A PATH, they just want to push you off of it, not really wanting to learn. I KNOW my path... my path is firm... I am willing to share my path, but it's your choice if you want to walk with me. At some point there will be a fork on that path and we will part ways...
Here is one recent case
Reincarnated! Our son is a World War II pilot come back to life
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1209795/Reincarnated-Our-son-World-War-II-pilot-come-life.html
My dad passed away as I was on the way to see him... he revived long enough for us to say goodbye than continued on for two weeks before he left again. He had bone cancer it ate away at him for 6 months. Constant pain always on morphine, didn't know who we were... Docs said if I wanted to say goodbye, I need to come now. As I was on the plane to Toronto the docs called my mom and told her it was too late. They took off the life support and had covered him, just waiting for the morgue to pick him up. Nurse in the room was cleaning up, waiting for the attendant when my dad suddenly sat upright in the bed and said "My son is coming" Scared the nurse out of her wits. Doctors had no explanation. He was alive and clear headed. He needed no morphine, felt no pain. We talked for hours then I had to head back. They kept him a few days then told my mom there was nothing they could do and sent him home with a hospital bed
Note that he could not walk... He also did not eat... but was perfectly clear headed. After about 2 weeks he simply went to sleep and was gone. Those two weeks it was like he wasn't there in the body at all... no drugs or food no life support but he could talk freely
So believe what you will. Until you have had your own experience no one will convince you of anything. But as Matrix said, he too has crossed over and returned
Nothing to fear at all.... 8)
QuoteOne also has no say as to what gender, race or culture or time period one would like to be born into.
Well actually true reincarnationists do follow the fact that you DO chose but you are correct that it could be male or female... and it is generally accepted that you do not regress down the chain... so no you will not come back as a snail :P
Your soul has a male/female duality. You need both to complete the enity. People speak a lot of finding your soul mate. They have no real clue what they are talking about. Its NOT your next boyfriend/girlfriend. Star Trel made a good attempt at explanation in the movie "Star Trek: The Motion Picture" where the female machine personality V'ger merged with the human male and they ascended as one being
(http://dejareviewer.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/decker-joins-with-ilia-vger-to-become-a-new-lifeform.jpg)
In Chinese philosophy, yin & yang, which are often shortened to "yin-yang" or "yin yang", are concepts used to describe how apparently opposite or contrary forces are actually complementary, interconnected, and interdependent in the natural world, and how they give rise to each other as they interrelate to one another. Many tangible dualities (such as light and dark, fire and water, and male and female) are thought of as physical manifestations of the duality of yin and yang.
(http://fc06.deviantart.net/fs7/i/2005/208/0/d/Glowing_Yin_Yang_by_Namelessv1.jpg)
One of my past incarnations was Samantha... she 'appears' from time to time 8)
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio,
Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
- Hamlet (1.5.167-8),QuoteOne also has no say as to one's economic and social status in the next life.
Yes you do... you pick the lesson you need to learn. If you were a prince in a past life, it is best you forget that during the current run, because if this time you were a pauper to learn humility, you would not accomplish your goal because the memory of the prince would make you bitter
Status in life is meaningless IF there is life beyond death, because you cannot take that gold with you. The only baggage allowed is your experiences
QuoteOne also has no say as to the condition of the body in the next life, one could be born blind, deaf, dumb or all three!
True enough and you also have to include KARMA. Karma is like a bank account. The universe takes accounting of what you do. Lets look at a war example. You are dropped into a Vietnam village. It is considered wrong to take a life by most sane religions and social groups... yet you are now in a situation where you see a young woman with a bomb in her baby carriage (baby in it as well) She is about to walk into the middle of a group of 20 people and commit suicide
You kill that woman... you have a death on your hands, your karma records a kill. However you have saved that baby and the 20 intended victims... karma +21 lives so you have a net gain of +19 lives saved
A guy like Hitler now has a very big karmic debt to pay. You can expect he will suffer a tad for a few regenerations. Afterall, though you DO have choice, you still have to pay the Cosmic Scale to achieve balance
QuoteZorgon, can you say that you were able to choose how your current life would play out?
I can say I know I had a part in choosing where I would be born to get what I was seeking this time around. I can also say 100% that it is MY choice whether or not I follow the path set out by me... for me.
I can also say at this stage in my life I have learned the lesson for this cycle... though the details I will keep to myself. That said I have shown several people so far how to take that same lesson to heart... And like that old Sensei with the one student, I consider I have more than fulfilled my commitment to pass it on
Can I prove it to you? Most likely not. But at some point you have to look inside YOU to see that the answer is the truth.
The Akashic Record is real.. Artists and Geniuses draw upon it all the time. It explains how three independent people can 'invent' the liquid feul rocket at the same time without having contact and can come up with the same plan exactly at a time when we as a species were ready to step off our cradle
Even Christians have their "Book of Life" in which everything is recorded. The Kabbalah is yet another name for it
But the Guardians are real too... make no mistake about that
(http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/531884_207401742734761_101451579_n.jpg)
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=1395.msg16396#msg16396
Akashic Records
(http://fc02.deviantart.net/fs48/i/2009/232/0/9/Keeper_of_the_Akashic_Records_by_Elric2012.jpg)
Akasha is a Sanskrit word meaning "sky", "space", or "æther", and it entered the language of theosophy through H. P. Blavatsky, (Rosicrucian) who characterized it as a sort of life force; she also referred to "indestructible tablets of the astral light" recording both the past and future of human thought and action, but she did not use the term "akashic". The notion of an akashic record is attributed to Alfred Percy Sinnett, who, in his book Esoteric Buddhism (1884), wrote of a Buddhist belief in "a permanency of records in the Akasa" and "the potential capacity of man to read the same." By C. W. Leadbeater's Clairvoyance (1899) the association of the term with the idea was complete, and he identified the akashic records by name as something a clairvoyant could read
Yes a simplified wiki entry LOL ::)
H. P. Blavatsky and the Masters
http://rosicrucian.50webs.com/hsl/hsl-hp-blavatsky-and-the-masters.htm
Edgar Casey Akashic Record
http://www.edgarcayce.org/are/spiritualGrowth.aspx?id=2078
QuoteH. P. Blavatsky, (Rosicrucian) who characterized it as a sort of life force;
Indeed it is one
correct way of describing '
The Real SELF' !
The Same as I refer to as '
Awareness' Like Consciousness or '
Awareness' which is The
LIFE component
or as some ancients referred to it as '
The True Mind'
This Component has been from the Beginning or as I term it '
The Awakening'.
I personally don't refer to '
The Real SELF' as a 'force', because most would confuse it with 'Energy'.
But this does
NOT say I disagree with H. P. Blavatsky, just another way of describing
LIFE. :)
In my reply to <onetruekeeper> I said I was Not Buddhist which is true, sadly many non Buddhists,
confuse being Buddhist with only Religion.
One can be Buddhist
without being Religious !
I would recommend others also look into the teachings of the Rosicrucian, as they will find many answers there.
WHAT some refer to as 'Reincarnation' is a Fact !
The
only difference in what I say keeps things in context, where many
believe the Soul is in humans
and Animals... but I say the '
Images' of our body are in fact,
Inside the Soul.
To involved to reveal in this thread. :)
The Soul being the 'Processing System', where by '
The Real Self', a 'Partition of
LIFE' experiences
both a species, in this case the 'human Primate' ('Avatar', as in
like a '
1st person'
Computer game, but far more Sophisticated) and Environment.
We experience this
inside the region of the 'Visual Cortex' of our brain
(http://thelivingmoon.com/Matrix/Hand_held_Interface_Animations/Drawing_01_026.jpg)
and
Assume the environment
Outside the Environment of the 'Visual Cortex' to be the Same.
It is only the 'Programs', which are involved, which bring this assumption about.
But actually 'human based Science' is yet to really understand this, but when it is realised our understanding
of this little universe shall change ... :)
It can be shown/revealed
WHAT actually exists
Outside the Processing environment of the brain,
and that The Brain also behaves as a '
Decoder/Encoding' system
between the Program presented
and the experience which is in fact Bidirectional in its application.
Our whole experience is Generated by 'Communication' or 'Dialogue', involving the
2 '
Ends'
of 'The True Mind',
through the 'Processing System' some of the Ancients referred to as
the Soul or City in other cases.
Zorgon and Matrix,
Thanks for the response to my post concerning reincarnation. Here is my take on your response.
Yin & Yang, Duality -
The universe might appear to have duality written all over it but I think it is nothing more than our minds seeing what patterns it wants to see. There is no duality in my opinion. Even the differences between genders is only superficial, merely a difference in plumbing so to speak and behavior patterns, the latter which is learned by years of psychological conditioning and social expectations.
Akashic Records-
The recording of data takes place in space and time but if you have an infinite amount of data to deal with then no recording is possible for it would take an infinite amount of time to record and retrieve the data. So I would think that there is no such thing as a Akashic Records. The data is more likely being suspended in some infinite associative memory function which can only be accessed via consciousness when the need comes up.
It is impossible to file and categorize an infinite amount of data so using association is the only way to come up with any results which most likely would be incomplete and possibly false at times...LOL
Past life memory-
There is no way to prove that the past life memory belonged to the same person due to the discontinuity from one life to the next.
Quote from: onetruekeeper on October 27, 2014, 01:06:45 AM
Nobody created the Matrix prison we seem to be in now in my opinion. I and everyone else seem to have been born into it from the start. Why?
I do not have the answer. Only a deranged individual would want to live in a hellhole like our world. I certainly would not have chosen to come here if given the choice.
Forgive me for being confrontational, onetruekeeper, but your perspective does sound very disempowering. Don't get me wrong; I indulge in victimhood myself, all the time. We've largely been raised from the cradle to do so, in this society.
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=2872.msg40070#msg40070
I would like to encourage you to read both the original post in the above linked thread, and my most recent post in said thread as well.
Before you dismiss this as sounding New Agey and generally bogus after you've read it, realise that I actually have made other substantial changes in life, based on what I've wanted, as well.
- I live in a small town near one of the most beautiful rainforest areas on the planet. I have more exposure to animals and the natural world here on a daily basis, than many people living in an urban environment will possibly have during their entire lifetime.
- I'm not working 2-3 fast food jobs like many Americans do, in order to avoid starving. I don't have a lot of money, but I can eat.
- In real, practical terms, I have only as much contact with mainstream Western society as I choose.
Quote from: onetruekeeper on October 28, 2014, 09:36:53 AM
Yin & Yang, Duality -
The universe might appear to have duality written all over it but I think it is nothing more than our minds seeing what patterns it wants to see. There is no duality in my opinion.
So you would deny that the absence of light is the dark? The entire universe runs on frequency... this is not something we imagine but something that can be proven. Every light wave has a frequency, a sine wave pattern that alternate continuously between positive and negative with the neutral point being the line of balance.
So you are entitled to your opinion, but science proves you wrong.
QuoteAkashic Records-
The recording of data takes place in space and time but if you have an infinite amount of data to deal with then no recording is possible for it would take an infinite amount of time to record and retrieve the data. So I would think that there is no such thing as a Akashic Records. The data is more likely being suspended in some infinite associative memory function which can only be accessed via consciousness when the need comes up.
Has it occurred to you that the data is NOT unlimited? Look at the elements for example. Without getting into the higher yet to be proven elements, we can now number 116 different elements that make up the entire know universe. Humans, rocks, water, microbes ALL are made of a mere handful of these elements arranged in a specific pattern
116 perhaps a few more... that is it..
But now lets look closer.... EVERYONE of those elements is made up of only THREE particles. These particles are exactly the same in all elements A proton, and Electron and a Neutron In other words a positive particle a negative particle and the ever present balance the neutral zone or neutron
That is you duality at the most basic level of the makeup of the Universe. Sure we can go even lower to quarks and leptons which make up the other three... but all that does in amplify the duality without the neuttral point
QuoteIt is impossible to file and categorize an infinite amount of data so using association is the only way to come up with any results which most likely would be incomplete and possibly false at times...LOL
"The only way of discovering the limits of the possible is to venture a little way past them into the impossible." ~ Sir Arthur C Clarkeimpossible... the ONLY way... most likely... LOL... These words show that you attempt to laugh off that which you cannot explain nor accept
QuotePast life memory-
There is no way to prove that the past life memory belonged to the same person due to the discontinuity from one life to the next.
As I said I have no need nor desire to PROVE anything to you... I KNOW my recollections from past lives are sound... I have no need for YOU to believe me. As I have said many times... when the 'end' is near YOU will understand. As long as you can face that moment with integrity, you will not need to fear it
Look me up next time around... lemme know your thoughts then 8)
I myself do not feel dis-empowered, but find it rather puzzling as to how I ended up in this world. I used to think that life was some kind of test or a rite of passage one had to go through in order to advanced to some "higher" form of existence but I am not certain.
I guess only time will tell as to what may unfold so I prod on forward.
Does SOMETHING Survive the body after death?
Lets leave the conscious soul aside for a minute and look at a scientific purely energy point of view. Science has told us that energy CANNOT be destroyed... so if that is true how can the energy that is our life force be destroyed? It cannot... it is as simple as that
The Rosicrucians use a simple example to illustrate this. Imagine a string of light bulbs like you see in a Mediterranean street
(http://www.polyvore.com/cgi/img-thing?.out=jpg&size=l&tid=94818073)
Each light bulb has individuality and can be either on or off. If you smash one you will kill that bulb... it can never shine again as the container is broken. But what of the energy that gave that light bulb life? Is it gone?
No... it merely finds another container to light up
But it is the same electron. An electron has it's own unique and identifiable identity.
Quantum Physics has proven in recent years that electrons will do one thing when watched, but behave differently when not observed
Just like these electrons that move in a current through the aether, so too does our life force continue in the plasma stream of the universe.
At some point that life force will give life to yet another container.
The ONLY question is... do we retain our consciousness during this process
The lost chord.
This garden universe vibrates complete.
Some we get a sound so sweet.
Vibrations reach on up to become light,
And then through gamma, out of sight.
Between the eyes and ears there lie,
The sounds of colour and the light of a sigh.
And to hear the sun, what a thing to believe.
But it's all around if we could but perceive.
To know ultra-violet, infra-red and X-rays,
Beauty to find in so many ways.
Two notes of the chord, that's our fluoroscope.
But to reach the chord is our lifes hope.
And to name the chord is important to some.
Quote from: onetruekeeper on October 28, 2014, 10:46:40 AM
I myself do not feel dis-empowered, but find it rather puzzling as to how I ended up in this world.
As have many for thousands of years. It is that question that allows religions to trap people in forced beliefs
QuoteI used to think that life was some kind of test or a rite of passage one had to go through in order to advanced to some "higher" form of existence but I am not certain.
Well there are only three options
1) We are naught but food for worms so do as you will because it won't matter
2) You are part of some higher beings experiment and that being expects you to obey without question
3) You are your own entity on a journey of learning to reach a higher level
So whether or not you are certain, seems to me that option 3 is the better one to strive for
QuoteI guess only time will tell as to what may unfold so I prod on forward.
Yes time WILL be the revealer of all truth. THAT much is certain... but rather than prod along, would it not be better to make the most of the ride?
It is not that hard to find places on this planet to escape that prison you speak of and you might even meet a Tibetan Princess
Kelsang Metok - Falling Love with Jiuzhaigou Valleyhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6FoWskUO_U
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6FoWskUO_U
Quote from: The Matrix Traveller on October 27, 2014, 06:49:42 PM
What many believe Buddhism is about, is usually misunderstood by those who are not Buddhist. :)
I'm basing my assumptions on what Buddha allegedly said. :)
The problem is that there are many branches of Buddhism. I'd agree that Zen is less religious. However, if you take the example of Tantric Buddhism then there are "Gods" and such like.
QuoteA Five Minute Introduction
• What is Buddhism?
Buddhism is a religion to about 300 million people around the world. The word comes from 'budhi', 'to awaken'. It has its origins about 2,500 years ago when Siddhartha Gotama, known as the Buddha, was himself awakened (enlightened) at the age of 35.
http://www.buddhanet.net/e-learning/5minbud.htm
Buddhism is NOT a religion because there is no deity involved. The temples and the statues of the Buddha might give the impression of worship but what is mostly taking place are acts of DEVOTION and contemplation, to remember and honor the Buddha for his teachings. Those who go to these temples to PRAY and make offerings for luck are not true practitioners of Buddhism but are tolerated by the priests because they provide income and resources which the priests need.
Quote from: Pimander on October 28, 2014, 11:00:41 AM
I'm basing my assumptions on what Buddha allegedly said. :)
I have for many years tried to trace the Bon tradition back to the middles east origins, from a spot near where the stargate should lie through the Zhangzung empire into what is now modern Tibet and Nepal
It is not an easy search
Zhangzhung (Tibetan pronunciation: [?a??u?]) was an ancient culture and kingdom of western and northwestern Tibet, which pre-dates the culture of Tibetan Buddhism in Tibet. Zhangzhung culture is associated with the Bon religion, which in turn, has influenced the philosophies and practices of Tibetan Buddhism. Zhangzhung people are mentioned frequently in ancient Tibetan texts as the original rulers of central and western Tibet. Only in the last two decades have archaeologists been given access to do archaeological work in the areas once ruled by the Zhangzhung.
Recently, a tentative match has been proposed between the Zhangzhung and an Iron Age culture now being uncovered on the Changtang plateau of northwestern Tibet.
QuoteThe problem is that there are many branches of Buddhism. I'd agree that Zen is less religious. However, if you take the example of Tantric Buddhism then there are "Gods" and such like.
This is a coomon fate of most religions. As the old ORIGINAL stories are tainted and changed as time goes on, mankind makes INTERPRETATION on what he THINKS was meant in the ancient texts but has lost the context
Jews Muslim and Christians all follow the same god. The top elders know this as fact even if the church goers will deny it. The onlt difference between the three is a matter of INTERPRETATION of the Word.
It is further complicated by more splinter groups within those three based on yet more interpretations by other men. Martin Luther disagreed with the RC version of Hell so he removed it
On and on it goes ALL religions and traditions have lost their purity (save maybe a few hidden in the mountains or deep in caves :P)
Wars have been and are still being fought over which interpretation is the right one. If you disagree with me I will have to kill you and plan a Jihad against your family and your dog 8)
Zhangzhung culture's influence in IndiaIt is noteworthy that the Bonpo tradition claims that it was founded by a Buddha-like figure named Tonpa Shenrab Miwoche,[15] to whom are ascribed teachings similar in scope to those ascribed to the historical Buddha. Bonpos claim that Tonpa Shenrab Miwoche lived some 18,000 years ago, and visited Tibet from the land of Tagzig Olmo Lung Ring, or Shambhala. Bonpos also suggest that during this time Lord Shenrab Miwoche's teaching permeated the entire subcontinent and was in part responsible for the development of the Vedic religion. An example of this link is said to be Mount Kailash, which is the center of Zhang Zhung culture, and also the most sacred mountain to Hindus. As a result, the Bonpos claim that the supposedly much later teaching at least indirectly owes its origin to Tonpa Shenrab Miwoche.
All is generated through Communication based on 'Opposites'.
Can anyone identify a single part of this little universe that does
NOT involve Communication of some sorts
such as Kinetic response involving rules some refer to as the laws of physics.
We can say any response by anything interacting involves communication between such interactions.
The human languages or languages of other species are
NOT the only form of Language. :)
All our senses involve
different forms of 'Communication' involving '
form'.
It is impossible to express anything omitting the concepts and principals involving '
form'.
Even Math is a language relating to Form even dealing with the non dimensional, as 'Form'
is the basic language underpinning
All.
All has both an
Inner and
Outer and one can
NOT exist with out the other even in the 'Non Dimensional World'
Involving 'Concepts'.
So this says that
ALL is made up of 'Opposites'.
Even IF you look at your little Universe there are only 2 building blocks behind Form !
Straight and Curved or the combination of the
2 ! Am I right or am I Right ? :)
See if you can identify some other, other than these
2 .... :)
So as there are only
2 they can be understood as being Opposites ...
Straight
NOT Curved.
or Curved
NOT Straight.
Or consisting of Both ...
We also have what is
Believed to be material, both 'matter' and 'Anti Matter'.
In fact the whole of existence is based on a "
Paradoxical Algorithm" .
One of the components which allows "Choice".
And this '
Paradox Algorithm' is formed from a '
Geometric Algorithm' involving '
Concepts' involving
the
expression of '
Form'.
Everything in the expression of 'Form' has an 'Opposite', its that fact which produces a 'tree' allowing Choice.
The whole experience involves '
Interactive Geometry' from 'touch' to 'emotion'.
To comprehend the 'Holographic Universe Model'
1st you require some Programming skills.
It also helps if one knows a little about '
Conceptual Processing Systems' few on earth understand
where to find such and
HOW to make practical use of these systems.
The nearest to such systems used on earth, are '
Virtual Processing Systems' but '
Conceptual Processing Systems',
use
ONLY 'Communication Principles', involving a Geometric based language, which has been around
for thousands of years on earth, at one time only the ruling families were aware of.
One example of 'Opposites' can be found in a simple Geometric Plane as it can
ONLY exist having more
than One Face.
A Geometric Plane can
NOT exist having
ONLY one Face even in
2D.
Or even if simply in the expression of Thought.
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/48matrix_traveller/images/0000.gif)
See what I Mean ? :)
Quote from: onetruekeeper on October 28, 2014, 11:13:40 AM
Buddhism is NOT a religion because there is no deity involved.
Technically you are correct but when discussing such topics people will generally refer to it as a religion as it is still a spiritual belief system
Religion:http://www.thefreedictionary.com/religion
Quotereligion (r??l?d??n)
n
1. belief in, worship of, or obedience to a supernatural power or powers considered to be divine or to have control of human destiny
2. any formal or institutionalized expression of such belief: the Christian religion.
3. the attitude and feeling of one who believes in a transcendent controlling power or powers
4. (Roman Catholic Church) RC Church the way of life determined by the vows of poverty, chastity, and obedience entered upon by monks, friars, and nuns: to enter religion.
5. something of overwhelming importance to a person: football is his religion.
6.
a. the practice of sacred ritual observances
b. sacred rites and ceremonies
[C12: via Old French from Latin religi? fear of the supernatural, piety, probably from relig?re to tie up, from re- + lig?re to bind]
LOL..
Buddhists are the ultimate pragmatists. They don't believe in spirits either.
Their materialistic world view would put even the Marxists to shame.
Zorgon,
I am curious...once your reincarnation cycle ends, where would you go and are you still going to be human?
Quote from: onetruekeeper on October 28, 2014, 12:55:20 PM
Zorgon,
I am curious...once your reincarnation cycle ends, where would you go and are you still going to be human?
He'll be a discarnate ether spirit floating around in another densisty, living without all those human qualities he spent so long in 'learning' about ahahaha. :P
Quote from: onetruekeeper on October 28, 2014, 12:55:20 PM
Zorgon,
I am curious...once your reincarnation cycle ends, where would you go and are you still going to be human?
You have to insert another coin. ;D
Quote from: onetruekeeper on October 28, 2014, 12:55:20 PM
Zorgon,
I am curious...once your reincarnation cycle ends, where would you go and are you still going to be human?
According to the Ra material at least, reincarnation ceases to mean very much in practical terms by 5th density, because that is the point at which you start to exist acorporeally full time anyway.
We are currently very late 3rd density, transitioning into 4th; and the way you can tell this, is because of the fact that we are starting to consciously play with things like synchronicity, or the Law of Attraction. You don't get to control synchronicity to that degree in pure 3D; stuff more just happens to you.
4D is the last primarily corporeal density; which means that it's also the last density in which the STS polarity (or the so-called "bad guys") are able to run/create an entire society according to their value system. 4D also isn't neutral in the same way 3D is. A 4D society is either primarily STO or STS; there's a lot less middle ground. Hence the reason why it seems as though we're pushing towards utopia on the one hand, or extinction on the other.
This is also the entire reason why the cabal are running their current game. They know that we're about to move into 4D, one way or the other, and they want to make sure that the 4D society which gets established here, is STS, or negatively polarised. Given that most of us are as self-centered as we are, (myself included) it's potentially going to be a fairly close race; although I need to remember to get out of the habit of saying such things, as well, because I'm actually reinforcing them every time I do.
Quote from: ArMaP on October 28, 2014, 02:00:18 PM
You have to insert another coin. ;D
The problem arises when people try to insert fake coins :P That is REALLY BAD Karma
::)
Quote from: onetruekeeper on October 28, 2014, 12:41:54 PM
Buddhists are the ultimate pragmatists. They don't believe in spirits either.
What Reincarnation is NotReincarnation is not a simple physical birth of a person; for instance, John being reborn as a cat in the next life. In this case John possesses an immortal soul which transforms to the form of a cat after his death. This cycle is repeated over and over again. Or if he is lucky, he will be reborn as a human being. This notion of the transmigration of the soul definitely does not exist in Buddhism.
A gross misunderstanding of about Buddhism exists today, especially in the notion of reincarnation. The common misunderstanding is that a person has led countless previous lives, usually as an animal, but somehow in this life he is born as a human being and in the next life he will be reborn as an animal, depending on the kind of life he has lived.
This misunderstanding arises because people usually do not know-how to read the sutras or sacred writings. It is said that the Buddha left 84,000 teachings; the symbolic figure represents the diverse backgrounds characteristics, tastes, etc. of the people. The Buddha taught according to the mental and spiritual capacity of each individual. For the simple village folks living during the time of the Buddha, the doctrine of reincarnation was a powerful moral lesson. Fear of birth into the animal world must have frightened many people from acting like animals in this life. If we take this teaching literally today we are confused because we cannot understand it rationally.
Herein lies our problem. A parable, when taken literally, does not make sense to the modern mind. Therefore we must learn to differentiate the parables and myths from actuality. However, if we learn to go beyond or transcend the parables and myths, we will be able to understand the truth.
People will say "If such is the case why not speak directly so that we will be able to come to an immediate grasp of the truth?" This statement is understandable, but truth is often inexpressible. [Ed comment: we as human beings are limited in understanding "Buddha Knowledge". We cannot speak TRUTH, only words ABOUT Truth] Thus, writers and teachers have often resorted to the language of the imagination to lead the reader from a lower to a higher truth. The doctrine of reincarnation is often understood in this light.
Basic Guide to Buddhism
Quote from: petrus4 on October 28, 2014, 04:50:43 PM
This is also the entire reason why the cabal are running their current game. They know that we're about to move into 4D, one way or the other, and they want to make sure that the 4D society which gets established here, is STS, or negatively polarised. Given that most of us are as self-centered as we are, (myself included) it's potentially going to be a fairly close race; although I need to remember to get out of the habit of saying such things, as well, because I'm actually reinforcing them every time I do.
KarmaKarma is a Sanskrit word from the root "Kri" to do or to make and simply means "action." It operates in the universe as the continuous chain reaction of cause and effect. It is not only confined to causation in the physical sense but also it has moral implications. "A good cause, a good effect; a bad cause a bad effect" is a common saying. In this sense karma is a moral law.
Now human beings are constantly giving off physical and spiritual forces in all directions. In physics we learn that no energy is ever lost; only that it changes form. This is the common law of conservation of energy. Similarly, spiritual and mental action is never lost. It is transformed. Thus Karma is the law of the conservation of moral energy.
By actions, thoughts, and words, man is releasing spiritual energy to the universe and he is in turn affected by influences coming in his direction. Man is therefore the sender and receiver of all these influences. The entire circumstances surrounding him is his karma.
With each action-influence he sends out and at the same time, receives, he is changing. This changing personality and the world he lives in, constitute the totality of his karma.
Karma should not be confused with fate. Fate is the notion that man's life is preplanned for him by some external power, and he has no control over his destiny. Karma on the other hand, can be changed. Because man is a conscious being he can be aware of his karma and thus strive to change the course of events. In the Dhammapada we find the following words, "All that we are is a result of what we have thought, it is founded on our thoughts and made up of our thoughts."
What we are, then, is entirely dependent on what we think. Therefore, the nobility of man's character is dependent on his"good" thoughts, actions, and words. At the same time, if he embraces degrading thoughts, those thoughts invariably influence him into negative words and actions.Basic Guide to BuddhismKarma, Law of Attraction, Newton's Law...
All different ways to say the same thing...
"You Reap that which you Sow"
Quote from: petrus4 on October 28, 2014, 04:50:43 PM
According to the Ra material at least, reincarnation ceases to mean very much in practical terms by 5th density, because that is the point at which you start to exist acorporeally full time anyway.
We are currently very late 3rd density, transitioning into 4th; and the way you can tell this, is because of the fact that we are starting to consciously play with things like synchronicity, or the Law of Attraction. You don't get to control synchronicity to that degree in pure 3D; stuff more just happens to you.
Dr Micheal Newton has explained this in another way... using the Aura as a guideline. Esoteric teachings from Ancient Tibetans to New Age Mystics have mentioned the Aura. Psychic and Faith Healers heal by manipulation of the Aura. Kirlian Photography can record this Aura. Religions have long expressed this Aura as a halo... originally depicted as a golden glow around the entire body, but reduced to a halo in modern times
This will answer about the inbetween stage as well...
The books by Newton and his students draw upon thousands of transcripts of people who, under hypnotic regression, have re-experienced being between lives. From the higher perspective of their soul they are able to explain what happens after death and before birth. This includes information about the levels of consciousness through which reincarnating souls evolve.
What Newton and others have discovered is that souls between lives exist in light-form, and that each soul emanates a particular colour of the spectrum which indicates its current level of consciousness.
The spectrum begins at white (all colours) but then goes through red, yellow, green, blue, to deep purple and violet. From low frequency to high frequency. The least evolved souls — the "newbies" — have a pinkish hue. The oldest souls — those nearing the end of the whole reincarnational cycle — have a blueish hue.
Although the spectrum is a continuum, Dr. Newton has found that it can be divided into five distinct stages or levels of evolvement, from Level I to Level V. These can be mapped onto the five stages given in the Michael teachings, from Infant soul to Old soul.
(http://i0.wp.com/personalityspirituality.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/soul-age-colours-3-500.jpg)
Reincarnation: the 35 steps of soul evolution (http://personalityspirituality.net/articles/the-michael-teachings/reincarnation-the-35-steps/)So you could say that the 3rd density corresponds to the 3rd aural level of young souls on Earth. The explanation is different but the end result is the same. After the 5th aural level of reincarnation cycles, the cycles stop. What lies beyond that?
I have NO IDEA... it is still a long way off. That is like asking in grade school "Will I graduate college and become a brain surgeon?" The gap is to far... we do not have the need to know that far out.
Will I still be 'human? Define 'Human' for me first. Again I do not know. Ascended beings are usually described as being of light - pure energy. All our religions show us this, all the New Age stuff tells us this. All the Ancient texts tell us this and so do our Sci Fi writers, When such a common theme appears in all doctrines, it is MOST LIKELY the truth
(http://i0.wp.com/personalityspirituality.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/michael-newton.jpg?resize=150%2C172)
(http://d.gr-assets.com/books/1348257965l/104979.jpg) (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1567184855/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=211189&creative=373489&creativeASIN=1567184855&link_code=as3&tag=pegasreseacon-20&linkId=TQOR644WD2DBTDFD)
Journey of Souls: Case Studies of Life Between Lives Paperback – July 1, 1994
by Michael Newton (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1567184855/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=211189&creative=373489&creativeASIN=1567184855&link_code=as3&tag=pegasreseacon-20&linkId=TQOR644WD2DBTDFD)
QuoteI am curious...once your reincarnation cycle ends, where would you go and are you still going to be human?
One doesn't go anywhere because 'the Real You'
a Partition of LIFE is Non Dimensional.
How can you go anywhere
IF your real world is 'non dimensional' ?
We experience
All within a 'non Dimensional World'.
Dimension is a manufactured experience, produced by 'Dialog' within that non dimensional world. :)
QuoteHerein lies our problem. A parable, when taken literally, does not make sense to the modern mind. Therefore we must learn to differentiate the parables and myths from actuality. However, if we learn to go beyond or transcend the parables and myths, we will be able to understand the truth.
People will say "If such is the case why not speak directly so that we will be able to come to an immediate grasp of the truth?" This statement is understandable, but truth is often inexpressible. [Ed comment: we as human beings are limited in understanding "Buddha Knowledge". We cannot speak TRUTH, only words ABOUT Truth] Thus, writers and teachers have often resorted to the language of the imagination to lead the reader from a lower to a higher truth. The doctrine of reincarnation is often understood in this light.
BINGO.Z understands !
What some refer to as a Higher truth, I refer to as being more exact or informed .... :)
From an interesting Ancient writing, The Gospel of Thomas, Quote;
Quote49.
Jesus said, "Blessed are the Solitary and Elect,
for you will find The KINGDOM.
For you are from it, and to it you will return."
50.
Jesus said,
"If they say to you, "Where did you come from?"
say to them, "We came from THE LIGHT,
the place where THE LIGHT came into being on its own accord
and established itself and became manifest through their IMAGE."
If they say to you "Is it you?"
say, "We are its children, and we are the elect of THE LIVING FATHER."
If they ask you, "What is the sign of your FATHER in you?"
say to them, "It is MOVEMENT and REPOSE."
51.
His disciple said to Him, "When will the repose of the dead come about,
and when will the new world come ?"
He said to them, "What you look forward to has already come,
but you do NOT recognise it."
:o :)
nm - spaz
What is nm-spaz?
Here is my take on reincarnation.
It does not exist. It is unproven and for most people it is unappealing in the extreme. NOBODY that I know personally want to return over and over again to this planet against their will. It is similar to the crime of false imprisonment and slavery and a gross violation of a person's rights to self determination. The so called decision made by the "higher-self" on behalf of the "lower-self" to reincarnate is no different than somebody else taking custody of another person without consent or knowledge. Either the person is making the decision of their own free will and fully aware of doing so or he is not. In the case of reincarnation, it is obviously not.
It seems to me that the only people who benefits from reincarnation are those in power that want a steady supply of servants and cannon fodder to benefit them and their descendants for all eternity. If people stopped having children then there would be no more bodies for the presumed reincarnating souls to inhabit and the elite cabals that rule the world are going to be screwed, unless they can construct android servants.
Most of the literature that I have read on near death and afterlife experiences describe places where people live alone or in communities, there are no lawyers, judges, courts, crime or punishments. There are no governments, police or military. There is nobody in authority. There is no money, commerce, barter, trade or exchange.
There is no industry, universities or sciences. There are no physicians or hospitals.
Most of the activities the people seem to engage in are in the creative arts. Some seem to indulge in music, mathematics or creating machines that operate on make believe principles.
People there are able to take care of themselves and create whatever objects they need with their thoughts.
There is no dependency on others for anything other than companionship.
In all these places there is no mention of reincarnation or the possibility of having to return to Earth. The people there are happy and content with their situation and are planning to stay there forever.
They find "visitors" from Earth as intrusive and a reminder of the hell they just came from.
I personally feel that the reality that our Earth is presently floating in is "malfunctioning" in some way and has been that way for eons. But I believe that our reality is not going to last too long and it will someday all dissolve into the infinity from which it came. A failed experiment perhaps and one that hopefully would never be repeated.
Before one can understand anything, one 1st needs to know their 'Real Selves'.
How many know, WHERE they came from ?
I am NOT referring to the 'human Primate', but instead what is experiencing the 'Primate' !
I am ONLY one of many.... WHO has experienced WHAT you call Death, NOT an NDE
but legally declared Dead, only to find that Death is a 'human Myth' ! LOL.
I wasn't dead for a few minutes, but according to the one who pronounced my death, I was 'Brain Dead'
for more than 30 minutes. :o
But to myself I was very, very, much alive, but I had no brain to think with, as it was dead,
but what remained, was my 'Real SELF' which did NOT function as though human !
When I stood up again, those who witnessed this, were very nervous.
At 1st thinking they were seeing a ghost . LOL.
But actually it is a far more common experience, than most assume.
I have no need to prove it, because I am at peace with LIFE.
By trying to prove anything, is a total waste of time.
The unbeliever deceives themselves, because they are unable to face the truth !
This is why it is a waste of time trying to prove anything ...
So to explain more is impossible, as it is beyond the reasoning of the 'human species' .... LOL.
We each experience the 'human Primate' differently, according to the requirements to achieve the Necessary
results.
The experience of Earth involves huge Complexities and a number of experiences... humans call 'lives' ...
Some Hundred in fact .... some even more.
It is NOT for me or anyone else to prove, as that changes nothing.
Each one has to find the answers for themselves through the experience.
It's just that most like myself, don't want to talk about it, because of the Superstitious nature of the 'Species'.
To comprehend the truth, you need to experience it, or you simply can't understand nor accept.
The fact remains we all pass through death, no escaping it, :) and we learn more during this experience
than at any other time.
Many fear death, but really its only because they are unable to TRUST LIFE !
There is nothing at all to fear..... as you soon learn what the 'human primate' refers to as death,
is ONLY a 'Myth'.
Everywhere on Earth the 'human species' is at WAR against LIFE !
Few ever bother to find out about LIFE, and remain 'materialistic' or forever ,'complaining',
and 'cursing' LIFE.
There is actually a reason for this extremely difficult Program, (Earth) and it is NOT for reasons most believe on earth.
IF there was another way to perform the 'Task' (Earth Program) then the Earth would NOT exist !
Most forget that LIFE suffers ALL ...
Whereas individuals, suffer only a very small proportion of the overall suffering.
Most experiencing Earth are far too 'self centred' and far too 'Superstitious', always complaining .... :(
This Program (Earth) performs its 'Task' perfectly, by invoking one to ask the QUESTION !
When you ask the Right Questions you get the Right answers. :)
BUT IF you ask the wrong Questions you always get the wrong answers. :(
Q&A results in 'Dialogue' ... In this case between the 'Ends' of 'The True Mind'l in other words LIFE. :)
Matrix,
You claim you were medically "dead" for 30 minutes but you did not really die did you?
If you really died for real you would not be here to post your experience.
So in a sense NOBODY knows what death is like since those who do die are not here to tell us about it.
Also I think this video clip might apply to some of us, myself included.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AH9oY5X0Nlk
Quote from: onetruekeeper on October 29, 2014, 06:31:14 AM
Matrix,
You claim you were medically "dead" for 30 minutes but you did not really die did you?
If you really died for real you would not be here to post your experience.
So in a sense NOBODY knows what death is like since those who do die are not here to tell us about it.
Also I think this video clip might apply to some of us, myself included.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AH9oY5X0Nlk
Like I said You are unable to face the Truth, so you
pretend I hadn't Died.
LOL.
Like I said you have to experience it for yourself, and one day you SHALL... :)
I was once an unbeliever just like yourself, until it happened to me ... :)
So now I know better, and am at Piece with LIFE .... :)
Matrix,
Sounds like you have found peace by surrendering to your FATE...LOL
Hey, that's cool. Whatever works for you.
The way of the sorcerer is one of WILL. ( using magick to control one's destiny )
The way of the mystic is one of SURRENDER. ( going with the flow )
Quote from: onetruekeeper on October 29, 2014, 01:40:09 AM
Here is my take on reincarnation.
It does not exist.
Well then, there is no point continuing this discussion. We will just have to agree to disagree...
I wish you well on your path
Quote from: The Matrix Traveller on October 28, 2014, 08:12:28 PM
BINGO.
Z understands !
What some refer to as a Higher truth, I refer to as being more exact or informed .... :)
And that is exactly what one universe is trying to do with the other universe. A conquest of matter energy space and time by intelligence.
LRH has stated that there are two universes and a supreme beingness which are indicated by the points of a triangle. In the book by stanislav grof beyond the brain birth death and transcendence in psychotherapy he speaks of world famous neurosurgeon wilder penfield who states that consciousness is not a product of the anatomy of the brain. He gives the example of a television set where the tv works but that the programming or thoughts are coming from another source or from one of the two universes LRH speaks of.
Matrix and Zorgon,
Reading your posts gives me the impression that you believe in a supreme being of some sorts ( GOD ).
Am I correct?
But here is something you should know...A being has consciousness, therefore it cannot exist in an infinite state, so it is not supreme. If it is supreme ( all powerful, all knowing ..etc ) then it is not a being...LOL
So what is running the show?
My instincts tell me that you both will disagree. 8)
Quote from: onetruekeeper on October 29, 2014, 09:24:38 PM
Matrix and Zorgon,
Reading your posts gives me the impression that you believe in a supreme being of some sorts ( GOD ).
Am I correct?
But here is something you should know...A being has consciousness, therefore it cannot exist in an infinite state, so it is not supreme. If it is supreme ( all powerful, all knowing ..etc ) then it is not a being...LOL
So what is running the show?
My instincts tell me that you both will disagree. 8)
QuoteReading your posts gives me the impression that you believe in a supreme being of some sorts ( GOD ).
Am I correct?
No offence intended ....
As I said you are at this stage, unable to understand.
The word
GOD, is exactly that, a
WORD as is written in your bible, a collection of Greek & Hebrew writings,
compiled by the church of Rome in its day.
The Word is a 'Geometric Algorithm' as given in the text, and
NOT what some religious people claim, or believe.
But
anyone is free to
believe whatever they like ...
It's a part of their own Individual experience. :)
Am I religious person ?
NO .... So you got that
belief of yours Incorrect !
My 'Post Primary education' included the study of these writings.
But that does
NOT say I am Religious !
LOL. Perhaps Religion, is your perception ?
If you want to
believe in your 'Imaginations' about me, and make untrue statements,
or to suggest anything 'untrue' about me, someone you certainly don't know, it is your freedom to do so ....
QuoteSo what is running the show?
My instincts tell me that you both will disagree. 8)
Possibly and possibly not .... Does it matter ?
Yourself ('True Self') 'Wrote' your Program before you entered this '
1st person like Computer game' (Earth)
So you should know !
If you didn't, then I am having a 'dialog' with
only a 'Program', so there is No point to this discussion.
So just leave it as that..... until you experience the same or similar.
Let us just agree to disagree with each other, until then. :)
Once again
No offence intended.
QuoteIn the book by stanislav grof beyond the brain birth death and transcendence in psychotherapy he speaks of world famous neurosurgeon wilder penfield who states that consciousness is not a product of the anatomy of the brain. He gives the example of a television set where the tv works but that the programming or thoughts are coming from another source or from one of the two universes LRH speaks of.
Sort of Correct. (More Correct, than Not. :) )
Universes and other experiences, are
like '
1st person' experiences much like that
of your '
1st Person Computer games' on Earth.
They are the experiences.
But what is experiencing these, is the 'Entity'
OUTSIDE the game, in a
non-Dimensional environmentsome of the Ancients referred to as '
The Place of LIFE'.
The 'Entity' is the 'Real Self' ... 'The Living One'. (Conscious Like '
Awareness',
Separate from the Brain)
'
Awareness' does
NOT need a Program ('Universe' or 'Avatar'/Human/Alien/other Species) to exist ! :)
The experience is
LIFEs enjoyment but in saying this this Program (Earth) is different than the others
as it involves changes taking place within our
Individual 'Processing System'
ALL is experienced through.
Some of the Ancients referred to this 'Processing System
Construct' as the Soul. :)
Some refer to
WHAT is taking Place, while experiencing the Earth Program, 'The Metamorphosis of the Soul'.
(Involving the
Individual 'Processing System' within another huge 'Processing System'/Network.)
To Matrix and Zorgon,
My apologies if I offended you in any way. There was no intent on my part to belittle your ideas or beliefs. Since I have obviously said something to get a hostile reaction from both of you I will no longer make any comments about your posts. You will hear from me no further.
Matrix, may I ask your thoughts on the nature of 'language' and 'text'..
Quote from: Sinny on October 30, 2014, 01:51:37 AM
Matrix, may I ask your thoughts on the nature of 'language' and 'text'..
Yes.
Quote from: The Matrix Traveller on October 29, 2014, 10:20:25 PM
Sort of Correct. (More Correct, than Not. :) )
Universes and other experiences, are like '1st person' experiences much like that
of your '1st Person Computer games' on Earth.
They are the experiences.
But what is experiencing these, is the 'Entity' OUTSIDE the game, in a non-Dimensional environment
some of the Ancients referred to as 'The Place of LIFE'.
The 'Entity' is the 'Real Self' ... 'The Living One'. (Conscious Like 'Awareness', Separate from the Brain)
'Awareness' does NOT need a Program ('Universe' or 'Avatar'/Human/Alien/other Species) to exist ! :)
The experience is LIFEs enjoyment but in saying this this Program (Earth) is different than the others
as it involves changes taking place within our Individual 'Processing System' ALL is experienced through.
Some of the Ancients referred to this 'Processing System Construct' as the Soul. :)
Some refer to WHAT is taking Place, while experiencing the Earth Program, 'The Metamorphosis of the Soul'.
(Involving the Individual 'Processing System' within another huge 'Processing System'/Network.)
We are not only aware but aware of being aware. we do not know nearly enough about the thought side or life force. But we do know this much that it passes over MEST and activates it. And the peculiarity of thought in relation to MEST is that it has to have interest in MEST reality with MEST and communication about MEST to hang together. Are you saying that the thought side is eternal whereas the MEST side is only Absolute Infinite we would then have more of one than the other and I in particular like MEST and would like to have something to think on. . Are you saying that it is possible to have more thought than attention units.
Quote from: onetruekeeper on October 29, 2014, 09:24:38 PM
Am I correct?
QuoteReading your posts gives me the impression that you believe in a supreme being of some sorts ( GOD ).
Then your reading skills are lacking :P
A Glitch in the Matrix(http://images.sodahead.com/polls/0/0/0/5/8/5/9/7/7/polls_GodAtHisComputer_5952_711875_poll.jpeg)
Quote from: Sinny on October 30, 2014, 01:51:37 AM
Matrix, may I ask your thoughts on the nature of 'language' and 'text'..
Waiting for your question. :)
Quote from: The Matrix Traveller on October 29, 2014, 03:43:56 AM
Before one can understand anything, one 1st needs to know their 'Real Selves'. "I am frightened and astonished to see my self here instead of there now instead of then." Blaise Pascal from the book infinity and the mind Thought has been split up into various mest bodies Advanced tech did the splitting and assigning of our so called true selves but it is final
How many know, WHERE they came from ?
I am NOT referring to the 'human Primate', but instead what is experiencing the 'Primate' !
I am ONLY one of many.... WHO has experienced WHAT you call Death, NOT an NDE
but legally declared Dead, only to find that Death is a 'human Myth' ! LOL.
I wasn't dead for a few minutes, but according to the one who pronounced my death, I was 'Brain Dead'
for more than 30 minutes. :o
But to myself I was very, very, much alive, but I had no brain to think with, as it was dead,
but what remained, was my 'Real SELF' which did NOT function as though human !
When I stood up again, those who witnessed this, were very nervous.
At 1st thinking they were seeing a ghost . LOL.
But actually it is a far more common experience, than most assume.
I have no need to prove it, because I am at peace with LIFE.
By trying to prove anything, is a total waste of time.
The unbeliever deceives themselves, because they are unable to face the truth !
This is why it is a waste of time trying to prove anything ...
So to explain more is impossible, as it is beyond the reasoning of the 'human species' .... LOL.
We each experience the 'human Primate' differently, according to the requirements to achieve the Necessary
results.
The experience of Earth involves huge Complexities and a number of experiences... humans call 'lives' ...
Some Hundred in fact .... some even more.
It is NOT for me or anyone else to prove, as that changes nothing.
Each one has to find the answers for themselves through the experience.
It's just that most like myself, don't want to talk about it, because of the Superstitious nature of the 'Species'.
To comprehend the truth, you need to experience it, or you simply can't understand nor accept.
The fact remains we all pass through death, no escaping it, :) and we learn more during this experience
than at any other time.
Many fear death, but really its only because they are unable to TRUST LIFE !
There is nothing at all to fear..... as you soon learn what the 'human primate' refers to as death,
is ONLY a 'Myth'.
Everywhere on Earth the 'human species' is at WAR against LIFE !
Few ever bother to find out about LIFE, and remain 'materialistic' or forever ,'complaining',
and 'cursing' LIFE.
There is actually a reason for this extremely difficult Program, (Earth) and it is NOT for reasons most believe on earth.
IF there was another way to perform the 'Task' (Earth Program) then the Earth would NOT exist !
Most forget that LIFE suffers ALL ...
Whereas individuals, suffer only a very small proportion of the overall suffering.
Most experiencing Earth are far too 'self centred' and far too 'Superstitious', always complaining .... :(
This Program (Earth) performs its 'Task' perfectly, by invoking one to ask the QUESTION !
When you ask the Right Questions you get the Right answers. :) questions are the answer Anthony Robbins Awaken the Giant within asking a question enturbulates thought with matter energy space and time and through this enturbulation thought learns something about matter energy space and time if it becomes too enturbulated then only through the death mechanism can thought free itself to come back more intelligent about matter energy space and time there are two universes thought and mest universes
BUT IF you ask the wrong Questions you always get the wrong answers. :(
Q&A results in 'Dialogue' ... In this case between the 'Ends' of 'The True Mind'l in other words LIFE. :)
In all the threads that I have posted something, there seems to be a eerie silence as if I said something that does not resonate with the members of PRC.
Perhaps I am addressing the wrong audience with my views.
Well, I guess this means farewell. It's safe to post again everyone. You can come out and play.
Cheers.
Quote from: onetruekeeper on November 04, 2014, 09:47:36 AM
In all the threads that I have posted something, there seems to be a eerie silence as if I said something that does not resonate with the members of PRC.
Perhaps I am addressing the wrong audience with my views.
Well, I guess this means farewell. It's safe to post again everyone. You can come out and play.
Cheers.
Well man... You may be over reacting to the no reaction to your posts. Maybe its just a slow week/month.
Anyways, farewell but come back as your will. :)
I think you are 100% correct there RUSSO ...
Sometimes I find things very slow too ... I guess it just depends where the interest from day to day. :)
It has taught me to be a little more patient .....
Hope to see you back again soon <onetruekeeper> ....
Quote from: The Matrix Traveller on November 04, 2014, 11:58:58 AM
I think you are 100% correct there RUSSO ...
Sometimes I find things very slow too ... I guess it just depends where the interest from day to day. :)
I CASE NO ONE HAS NOTICED
The forum has maybe 30ish posters that are here on a regular basis IF THAT since the last Ego War
It is hardly surprizing that with that few people on board that there would be a lot of comments in any particular thread
::)
Just sayin :P
Quote from: Sinny on October 30, 2014, 01:51:37 AM
Matrix, may I ask your thoughts on the nature of 'language' and 'text'..
Hi Matrix, sorry for the late expansion, my mind is slightly disorganised of late.
I would like to here your 'initial' thoughts on the use of language, text, symbol and geometry, and the purposes they serve. I've read about a certain perspective on these, and just wish to see if the perspective is similiar to your knowledge.
Sorry if I seem cryptic and vague, I don't wish to lead you.
P.s, Keeper, I liked your posts, scoochy back on over here.
Quote from: Sinny on November 05, 2014, 10:26:43 PM
Hi Matrix, sorry for the late expansion, my mind is slightly disorganised of late.
I would like to here your 'initial' thoughts on the use of language, text, symbol and geometry, and the purposes they serve. I've read about a certain perspective on these, and just wish to see if the perspective is similiar to your knowledge.
Sorry if I seem cryptic and vague, I don't wish to lead you.
On Earth we use various 'symbols' or 'stick drawing' like images for Communication purposes,
in one form or other.
My Interest lays in the 'Form' of such, and realise All of what we use in our various written languages,
come via 'Inspiration' from the Mind. (some may call invention)
This of course, involves a huge area of subjective discussion, due to what we each of us may
believeor not
believe what the Mind actually is.
So let's look at the form of these Stick like Drawings.
Some languages use strings of 'Letters' and 'numeral forms' along with 'Punctuation marks' etc.
while other languages use various glyphs or 'stick like drawings' in strings, to represent a word or meaning.
What each of these symbols, letters, numerals, Punctuation marks etc. represent is not that important
except that a common set of rules apply to each language.
It is Important to realise that any 'symbols', 'letters', 'numerals', 'Punctuation marks' etc. are produced by
the assembly of
ONLY 2 'Building Blocks' which are;
a. 'Straight Lines'
and
b. 'Curved Lines'
The reason of course being, there is no other shape.
This applies to
ALL including the world of '
Concepts' and
NOT just to the components of written language.
It could be recognised that '
Straight' and '
Curved' are
opposites in a strange sort of way, as there are
onlythese
2 forms.
Even when considering other dimensions these
2 '
Building Blocks' still apply.
In other words a potion of a form, is Curved
NOT Straight, or Straight and
NOT Curved.
The origin of all the Geometric forms used in communication come from a common source,
involving
only these
2 'Building Blocks',
Curved and
Straight.
And we know anything we do in this world, is 'Inspired' by the Mind so the
common source is the Mind.
So the obvious point to consider involves the Question
WHAT is in fact, the Mind ?
And more to the point
WHAT is its '
Source Code'
?Source Code:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Source_code
QuoteIn computing, source code is any collection of computer instructions (possibly with comments)
written using some human-readable computer language, usually as text.
The source code of a program is specially designed to facilitate the work of computer programmers,
who specify the actions to be performed by a computer mostly by writing source code.
The source code is often transformed by a compiler program into low-level machine code understood
by the computer.
The machine code might then be stored for execution at a later time.
Alternatively, an interpreter can be used to analyze and perform the outcomes of the source code program
directly on the fly.
Most computer applications are distributed in a form that includes executable files, but not
their source code.
If the source code were included, it would be useful to a user, programmer, or system administrator,
who may wish to modify the program or to understand how it works.
Aside from its machine-readable forms, source code also appears in books and other media;
often in the form of small code snippets, but occasionally complete code bases; a well-known case
is the source code of PGP.
Everything involves a '
Process' or '
Processes' of some kind or other,
NOT just 'Computers Systems' etc.
No matter
WHAT we consider in All things, the Mind expresses itself
through Geometric Form.
This exists even
IF Math did not exist.
Yes I know Geometry is seen as Math but it involves form.
In the minds Processes, it does
NOT need to use Math, but all is
through the manipulation of 'form'.
And what underpins this, is a set of rules which are defined and permanent. (Unchangeable)
So to get a true Understanding of anything, we
1st need to locate the '
Source Code' of the Mind. :)
It is exactly in this area, I have studied full time over the last
20 years.
Quote from: Pimander on October 23, 2014, 05:42:11 PM
The Stargate Conspiracy is a great read. I can't recommend it highly enough. I really like Picknett and Prince's books with their sceptical cut to the chase mentality.
Thanks for this recommendation, Pim.
I picked it up on Amazon for 30 pence ($10 Postage though).
From what i have read so far it is an exceptional read!
Who knew they where plotting all that behind our backs?
That book, "The Stargate Conspiracy", also blows the cover of Bearden! Why the hell would he be involved in that type of Esoteric goobeldy doc, unless he had "Other" motives.
Always good to get a broader insight into those who the masses believe.
Quote from: starwarp2000 on November 29, 2014, 04:39:17 PM
That book, "The Stargate Conspiracy", also blows the cover of Bearden! Why the hell would he be involved in that type of Esoteric goobeldy doc, unless he had "Other" motives.
Pop over to DTIC.mil 8) type in Thomas Bearden
THE ONE HUMAN PMOBLEM, ITS SOLUTION, AND ITS RELATION TO UFO PHENOMENA
Jauuary 3, 1977
Thomas E. Bearden
•The sixth stage consists of linkage of all individual brains in the species into
one single super brain, Thus a supe rbeing having absolute control of space and
time results. It requires a technological species to accomplish linkage, resulting
in a multidimensional, eventually nonphysical super being. When technology is
sufficiently advanced for linkage to be developed, the power of the species' tools
is so great that its own self-destruction is imminent. Thus an advanced technological
civilization is near linkage or Armageddon, and in either case it vanishes
as a limited three-dimensional species of the fifth stage. This accounts for the
notable absence of technological species such as man in the observed universe.
The author presents a quantitative argument for the existence of sixth-stage
beinqg. Granted the existence of one, the existence of the bther follows.
The UFO phenomena are consistent with the hypothesis that a sixth-stage super being is
stimulating the deep collective unconscious of humanity in preparation for the
eventual linkage of man into a single super being at the sixth-stage level.
http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a034236.pdf
Quote from: zorgon on November 29, 2014, 07:49:48 PM
Pop over to DTIC.mil 8) type in Thomas Bearden
THE ONE HUMAN PMOBLEM, ITS SOLUTION, AND ITS RELATION TO UFO PHENOMENA
Jauuary 3, 1977
Thomas E. Bearden
http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a034236.pdf
Thanks for that Zorgs! :)
A greater (Superior) intelligence requires a more efficient, more powerful energy supply!
Strange how he infiltrated the Free Energy Community, leaving no solid, reproducible art, more in the order of confusion! 8)
I'm behind and missing a trick - I have stumbled over some Bearden exposure, but I can't recall where.
I've not yet read The Star Gate conspiracy, I've been reading Levenders works..
I'd appreciate some quotes if anyone has the time.
Quote from: Pimander on October 26, 2014, 11:10:51 AM
Consciousness learning about itself because it wants to. Does there have to be a purpose other than doing something you want?
There are two main secret society viewpoints really. One is Dualist and this world is seen as the creation of what is practically seen as the Devil and is an illusion. Souls are seen as essentially trapped in this world and have in most cases forgotten their incorporeal nature. This viewpoint means that this experience is a terrible evil to be escaped. From this viewpoint comes ideas like pleasures of the flesh are evil. The Cathars believed something like that as do many mystical religious types.
There is another point of view, which is more oriented towards the idea that the whole of what we experience is all part of something real although it also accepts that what it appears to be might be an illusion created by
OURSELVES as opposed to an external Devil. In this case there is no external Satan to fight, we create our own heaven and hell here. Evil and Good are just about perspective and are two sides of the same coin and in this wholist conception the idea of a Good God and a Devil make little sense - except they are given a spiritual form of sorts by human thought forms. They are not really the creators of our world.
Both believe in the main in the possibility of reincarnation but one thinks it is a bad thing and the others a positive learning experience. Most mainstream religion (including some aspects of Buddhism) derive from the dualist interpretation - although almost all religions probably have a mystical sect or secret society that have realised the truth.
Quote from: onetruekeeper on October 26, 2014, 05:55:58 AM
In a upcoming post I will discuss how we might be able to construct "tools" which might help us escape from this maximum security prison for our minds..LOL
No guarantees that it would work though.
/quote]The key is to stop imprisoning ourselves within a prison of our own creation - if you think all this hocus pocus is real.
Just reviewed this post.
The first paragraph seems to describe some of the things that I feel.
I say 'I feel' because I have tried to 'think differently', but this is usually how I 'feel'.
I believe there are some truths to the other concepts that you highlighted, however I also feel as though many people within society, especially those who have 'awoken', have simply reliquinshed control over them selves to this 'New Age Phenomena'.
They all share the shame general belief, and they believe 'these entities' that they communicate with.
Call me cautious, but I will not relinquish my self over to any one elses belief system - whether they are 'earthly' or not.
It's becoming quickly apparent that we are a spiritually divided species.
'New Agers' who have discovered the 'infinite truth', through deception of the Light Bearer.
The Athiest Godless heathens, who rape and murder, through satanic Ahrimanic forces.
Devout, constrained, and manipulated Religious folk.
Those of us not yet willing to be labelled.
Rudolf Steiner appears to have realised that we were, and are, being pulled in many directions, and as man we need to overcome these forces, recognise them for what they are, and thus become our own force, free from control and dependancy.
There's a common theme within all of the above view points, and that is that there is a 'war in heaven'. Look ye not to the skys, which is just a canvas for this scenrio to depict it's self. But look around us, into the realms that co-exist with us.
We have become blinded by the light of Lucifer, as he instigates our materialistic scientific world view - a 'progression' towards weapons of mass destruction, and he has us search the stars for intelligent life, whilst all the time it's here with us! All around us, and in us.
They are all Cosmic Jokers alright, each playing to their own tune.
The faster we learn this, the better.
Quote from: Sinny on November 30, 2014, 01:30:20 PM
There are two main secret society viewpoints really. One is Dualist and this world is seen as the creation of what is practically seen as the Devil and is an illusion. Souls are seen as essentially trapped in this world and have in most cases forgotten their incorporeal nature. This viewpoint means that this experience is a terrible evil to be escaped. From this viewpoint comes ideas like pleasures of the flesh are evil. The Cathars believed something like that as do many mystical religious types.
As far as I am concerned, acorporeal Service to Self polarised beings (more commonly known as
demons) do exist. Some of them reside primarily in astral constructs which we would know as Hells; others wear reptilian skin and black robes, and live on other planets. There's plenty of room for David Icke's reptilians, within my own paradigm. Whether or not they are definitely here on this planet right now, is a slightly different story; but I don't have much of a problem with the idea that they exist.
Of course, acorporeal Service to Others polarised beings (more conventionally known as
angels) exist as well. In conventional terms, that means brother Michael, and master Metatron, and the rest of the cardinals and their staff. These guys have their own themed astral constructs, just like the demons do.
In extraterrestrial terms, the STO crowd includes groups like the Pleiadians, Andromedans, and the Sirians to a lesser extent. I say to a lesser extent because, while the STO Sirians are very positive, they're actually closer to a race of beings like us. The Pleiadians are partly acorporeal, and the Andromedans would likely make most people's heads spin.
As for physical reality being inherently bad/undesirable; yes and no. Truthfully that is a very old idea, and while not completely, it does come to a certain extent from the desire for social/political control, on the part of religious authorities. I don't necessarily share the traditional Hindu opinion about Samsara; yes, it can be extremely unpleasant and miserable, but it can be enjoyable, too. A big part of the inspiration for this idea, I think comes from the Buddha's realisation that emotional experience follows the Law of Polarity; as in, if you experience happiness, then eventually the pendulum has to swing and you will experience misery. He therefore came up with the idea, that the way to avoid misery is to get off that axis entirely; so not only do you no longer experience unhappiness, but at least to a certain degree, you no longer experience happiness either. I suspect that if the Vulcans turned out to be real, they would find much to appreciate about Buddhism.
QuoteThere is another point of view, which is more oriented towards the idea that the whole of what we experience is all part of something real although it also accepts that what it appears to be might be an illusion created by OURSELVES as opposed to an external Devil. In this case there is no external Satan to fight, we create our own heaven and hell here. Evil and Good are just about perspective and are two sides of the same coin and in this wholist conception the idea of a Good God and a Devil make little sense - except they are given a spiritual form of sorts by human thought forms. They are not really the creators of our world.
From my own perspective, moral relativism tends to break down. Yes, the Law of Polarity exists, as mentioned; but I personally tend to believe that it's a good idea to identify whereabouts on said axis you want to live.
My own alignment is what Gary Gigax referred to as Neutral Good (http://easydamus.com/neutralgood.html), occasionally tending towards Chaotic Neutral (http://easydamus.com/chaoticneutral.html). I have an internal code of morality, and I care very little about external law, as I believe that the law primarily exists as a weapon which those who have power, use against those who do not. If you have enough money or know the right people, you can get away with virtually anything in legal terms. To the extent that I care about external or governmental law at all, it is purely in order to avoid death or incarceration. I do not believe that government has any inherent moral or spiritual legitimacy, but that it exists exclusively due to the lack of willingness within most of humanity, to self-manage.
The primary reason why the individual citizens of a country create a political structure is a subconscious wish or desire to perpetuate their own dependency relationship of childhood. Simply put, they want a human god to eliminate all risk from their life, pat them on the head, kiss their bruises, put a chicken on every dinner table, clothe their bodies, tuck them into bed at night, and tell them that everything will be alright when they wake up in the morning.
This public demand is incredible, so the human god, the politician, meets incredibility with incredibility by promising the world and delivering nothing. So who is the bigger liar? the public? or the "godfather"?
This public behavior is surrender born of fear, laziness, and expediency. It is the basis of the welfare state as a strategic weapon, useful against a disgusting public. --
Silent Weapons For Quiet Wars (http://www.lawfulpath.com/ref/sw4qw/index.shtml) My central principle is
minimal harm to others, with minimal harm to myself, in that order. I am inclined towards martyrdom; if I have to choose between someone else's benefit or my own, I will generally choose the other person's; although perhaps paradoxically, I am reclusive and do not tend towards such things as volunteer work or activism, as I also do not want to be harmed by others, and find that virtually impossible to avoid, when interacting with mainstream society. My primary concern is to avoid the accumulation of negative karma, which I believe only occurs due to harming others, or enriching myself at others' expense. I do not tend to believe that self-harm has negative spiritual consequences, and it particularly does not if said self-harm results in the benefit of someone else. Others are fundamentally all that matter; beyond basic survival, the self does not.
I have been accused of parasitism because of the fact that I am on welfare. My experience with the education system, and later life in Sunbury, offered me abundant evidence of the fact that I do not have the ability to survive within the mainstream workforce, or any environment where I do not have direct control over the amount of exposure I have to other human beings. As a result, I view being on the pension as extending the principle, of minimisation of mutual harm, given that as I have written elsewhere extensively, I also do not believe that entrepreneurialism is possible without causing serious harm to others. Isolation means that I have no opportunity to exploit others for my own gain, and they have minimal opportunity to subject me to psychological or physical abuse.
When VillageIdiot referred to me as a taker, I was tempted to point out to him that I typically live on $10-$20 a day; and the only reason why that isn't less, is because I usually buy food rather than cooking, in order to avoid the risk of interpersonal conflict with, or abuse from, other people using the communal kitchen here. I have no car, no mobile phone, no credit card debt, and a single change of clothes. In other words, if I am a taker, I am unable to take much less without literally starving.
Quote'New Agers' who have discovered the 'infinite truth', through deception of the Light Bearer.
I do not believe in giving Satan excessive credit, personally. The Christians will tell you otherwise; but in my experience, Satan actually has the ability to do us more harm when we focus on him unduly, than when we ignore him. It is a Hindu proverb that Man becomes what he worships; and as a result, giving Lucifer too much mental airtime is not wise. I have already been harmed immeasurably by my own obsession with the cabal.
Brother Micheal is a WAR ANGEL... Champion of Rome and of Cops and Militaries
(http://www.clker.com/cliparts/7/8/7/6/13859818711757257246archangelmoscow-hi.png)
Lucifer is the "Bringer of Light"
(http://yahshvah.com/images/theotherjesus.jpg)
Silly Christians have it all WRONG :P and have duped the rest of the world all these years
WHY is the Dragon worshiped as a GOOD LUCK charm in every nation but the Christian ones?
Think about it... the WRONG GUY... the real BAD GUY won the War and He demands blind obedience and absolute worship without question
THINK ABOUT IT... it will come to you 8)
Quote from: zorgon on December 01, 2014, 05:22:25 AM
Brother Micheal is a WAR ANGEL... Champion of Rome and of Cops and Militaries
You continually say that you think
some authority is appropriate. Remember all the talk around here about good cops, recently?
There is a VAST difference between THIS:-
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Cz09ENRmtGY/UNOLY8NBpJI/AAAAAAAADRs/Q6SoMGaBJUM/s640/fear_the_gas_mask_by_lordhayabusa357-d5715xy.jpg)
And this:-
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a7/Mikharkhangel.jpg)
You all think I'm a cop hater, yet I've lit rose incense for Michael before, and repeatedly asked for his help in getting rid of acorporeal troublemakers. A person does not become a legitimate police officer by putting on a uniform alone; and that is even more true if said uniform includes a gas mask, which will allow them to breathe through the toxic substances that they employ against others.
I don't hate police. I hate cowardly, fascist
pigs, who are willing to act as corporate mercenaries, and shields to corrupt governments which should rightfully be overthrown. They are the antithesis of legitimate, genuinely beneficial police.
There is not enough focus on getting rid of the pigs though, or of preventing their behaviour. Instead, almost everyone here tries to minimise the evil they do, and instead continue the chorus about how most cops are good. That might well be true, but it still isn't good enough. The pigs have to go.
Quote from: Sinny on November 30, 2014, 01:30:20 PM
There is another point of view, which is more oriented towards the idea that the whole of what we experience is all part of something real although it also accepts that what it appears to be might be an illusion created by OURSELVES as opposed to an external Devil. In this case there is no external Satan to fight, we create our own heaven and hell here. Evil and Good are just about perspective and are two sides of the same coin and in this wholist conception the idea of a Good God and a Devil make little sense - except they are given a spiritual form of sorts by human thought forms. They are not really the creators of our world.
Kinda what Matrix has been saying in his way... Kinda what Zorgon has been saying in his way 8) Kinda the basis of the Law of Attraction too
Quotealthough almost all religions probably have a mystical sect or secret society that have realized the truth.
Quite true... I met the Morman ones once after an 'incident' on the mountain. Seems the fellow that took me there wasn't even allowed in to that group... was an interesting experience...
QuoteCall me cautious, but I will not relinquish my self over to any one elses belief system - whether they are 'earthly' or not.
Quite smart actually because that 'entity' just MIGHT be LOKI having some fun with you... as you say, you will FEEL the truth.. quite literally it will give you goose bumps and a tingling of the flesh. You may have even felt this at times.
What people need to learn is how to recognize this feeling for what it is when it does come. In religious jargon we hear "he saw the light!" meaning he got it...it is actually more accurate to say he FELT the light
"The Word"
This garden universe vibrates complete.
Some we get a sound so sweet.
Vibrations reach on up to become light,
And then thru gamma, out of sight.
Between the eyes and ears there lay,
The sounds of colour and the light of a sigh.
And to hear the sun, what a thing to believe.
But it's all around if we could but perceive.
To know ultra-violet, infra-red and X-rays,
Beauty to find in so many ways.
Two notes of the chord, that's our fluoroscope.
But to reach the chord is our lifes hope.
And to name the chord is important to some.
So they give a word, and the word is OM.QuoteIt's becoming quickly apparent that we are a spiritually divided species.
'New Agers' who have discovered the 'infinite truth', through deception of the Light Bearer.
The Athiest Godless heathens, who rape and murder, through satanic Ahrimanic forces.
Devout, constrained, and manipulated Religious folk.
Those of us not yet willing to be labelled.
Perhaps Hu-mons are still too busy chasing their tales to figure out that the WAR started so long ago IS STILL GOING ON and Hu-mons are mere Cannon Fodder...
No need to pick a side.... walk the NEUTRAL line Every action has an equal and opposite reaction, every positive has a negative equal and opposite, every good deed has an equal and opposite bad deed...
But they all have ONE THING in common... at the half way point there is BALANCE... there is NEUTRALITY. Walking along the neutral point you achieve balance and the path is a lot easier... no ups and downs
(https://i1.creativecow.net/u/244743/image001.jpg)
The Universe IS Vibrations... resonance and frequency... Study Cymatics - you will see how vibration creates life. The Hippies had it right "It's all in your VIBES
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Igzd1yh5wL8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Igzd1yh5wL8
QuoteRudolf Steiner appears to have realised that we were, and are, being pulled in many directions, and as man we need to overcome these forces, recognise them for what they are, and thus become our own force, free from control and dependancy.
So what are you waiting for? PULL AWAY follow your own path and stop believing that Lucifer is the bad guy. Both sides of that conflict are non-homan so neither side should hold sway over us... And your biased thinking Lucifer is the bad guy. You are trapped by 2000 years of 'correct' thinking
Break the chains... see the LIGHT for what it is
8)
QuoteThere's a common theme within all of the above view points, and that is that there is a 'war in heaven'. Look ye not to the skys, which is just a canvas for this scenrio to depict it's self. But look around us, into the realms that co-exist with us.
Yes BIG war in "Heaven" left scars on Mars and other moons and planets, destroyed one planet. All our religious texts and mythologies speak of this war and the aftermath in some form. Yes it is still going on, though seems to be quiet in our space at the moment.
QuoteWe have become blinded by the light of Lucifer, as he instigates our materialistic scientific world view - a 'progression' towards weapons of mass destruction, and he has us search the stars for intelligent life, whilst all the time it's here with us! All around us, and in us.
HOW do you KNOW it's Lucifer's light that is blinding you? The other guy is also shining a bright light around... so HOW DO YOU KNOW what 'they' have told you is THE TRUTH? Seems you have basically adopted the Christian rhetoric of Lucifer being an evil reptilian/snake/dragon that is responsible for all our woes... yet reding the religious texts its the 'good guy" doing all the war, the destruction, the blasting of cities, the floods that kill all, the inquisitions to force you to belief "he' is the good guy and the Jihads ensure you remember it
Time to wake up and see the truth...
8)
QuoteThey are all Cosmic Jokers alright, each playing to their own tune.
The faster we learn this, the better.
There ya go... so lets tell BOTH side to take their war to another Galaxy 8)
Quote from: petrus4 on December 01, 2014, 05:39:34 AM
You continually say that you think some authority is appropriate. Remember all the talk around here about good cops, recently?
Sure I posted most of it :P
QuoteYou all think I'm a cop hater, yet I've lit rose incense for Michael before, and repeatedly asked for his help in getting rid of acorporeal troublemakers. A person does not become a legitimate police officer by putting on a uniform alone; and that is even more true if said uniform includes a gas mask, which will allow them to breathe through the toxic substances that they employ against others.
I don't hate police. I hate cowardly, fascist pigs, who are willing to act as corporate mercenaries, and shields to corrupt governments which should rightfully be overthrown. They are the antithesis of legitimate, genuinely beneficial police.
Well if anyone sees you as a cop hater it is likely because your posts lean towards that.. Perhaps if ALL our focus was promoting ONLY stories of GOOD cops perception might change. You of all people should see that as truth
QuoteThere is not enough focus on getting rid of the pigs though, or of preventing their behaviour. Instead, almost everyone here tries to minimise the evil they do, and instead continue the chorus about how most cops are good. That might well be true, but it still isn't good enough. The pigs have to go.
No one is minimizing it BUT when the GOOD cops only see the hatred against the pigs.... they feel what they do is pointless. This hatred spreads like a cancer amongst 'we the people' and soon the good cops need to don the masks to protect themselves... and more and more will side with the pigs.
In other words spreading the hatred via social networks spreads the cancer and makes it WORSE not better and the wrong message is sent
You want to fix things? Rally the people to march on the local police stations saying "If you don't clean up the Pig Sty... WE will NOT pay your salaries any longer"
Pictures like THIS that went VIRAL tell me that things are not yet as bad as people like you claim. Whether the image is real or staged, the fact that it went viral to MILLIONS tells me all I need to know.... all hope is NOT lost
(http://timedotcom.files.wordpress.com/2014/11/ht_ferguson_protest_hug_devonte_hart_jc_141128_16x9_992.jpg?w=992)
Now go out, find a good cop and hug him (or shake his hand) :P... or by him a cup of coffee and a sandwich (no donut you idiot :P )
Maybe next time he is busting someone he will remember that someone gave a damn
Quote from: zorgon on December 01, 2014, 06:23:14 AM
Well if anyone sees you as a cop hater it is likely because your posts lean towards that.. Perhaps if ALL our focus was promoting ONLY stories of GOOD cops perception might change. You of all people should see that as truth
I want the legalisation of marijuana to continue to go forward. I am not blaming the police for the prohibition; but we need to create a scenario where good cops do not feel compelled to enforce it as part of their jobs.
QuoteNo one is minimizing it BUT when the GOOD cops only see the hatred against the pigs.... they feel what they do is pointless. This hatred spreads like a cancer amongst 'we the people' and soon the good cops need to don the masks to protect themselves... and more and more will side with the pigs.
I can see what you are saying here. As another element, I think we need new legislation which says that police can only be deployed in the event of a genuinely violent protest; not non-violent ones. We also need a strong re-affirmation of the right of assembly. Again, it may not be the police themselves who want to take that away from us; but the governments and corporations genuinely do.
We need to take governmental and corporate pressure off the police to behave badly. When I look at it, the ability of those entities to use cops as mercenaries is really the problem. I remember Michael Bloomberg bragging about the NYPD being "his personal army," during Occupy.
QuotePictures like THIS that went VIRAL tell me that things are not yet as bad as people like you claim. Whether the image is real or staged, the fact that it went viral to MILLIONS tells me all I need to know.... all hope is NOT lost
You and I demonising each other is not going to help either, Zorgon. This
is a genuinely beautiful image, however.
Quote from: petrus4 on December 01, 2014, 08:24:46 AM
I want the legalisation of marijuana to continue to go forward. I am not blaming the police for the prohibition; but we need to create a scenario where good cops do not feel compelled to enforce it as part of their jobs.
Well worked in Ontario Canada and is working in Colorado not sure about Washington 8) Maybe if everyone is doped up they will all mellow out.
::)
QuoteI can see what you are saying here. As another element, I think we need new legislation which says that police can only be deployed in the event of a genuinely violent protest; not non-violent ones. We also need a strong re-affirmation of the right of assembly. Again, it may not be the police themselves who want to take that away from us; but the governments and corporations genuinely do.
The problem today is that most peaceful protests draw the thugs and the gangs and others who just want to stir trouble... It doesn't take much for a peaceful assembly to turn into a mob. Heck back in Toronto sporting event trigger riots.
QuoteYou and I demonising each other is not going to help either, Zorgon.
This is a research forum not a political soapbox... well it was supposed to be :P
Quote from: zorgon on December 01, 2014, 11:22:20 AM
This is a research forum not a political soapbox... well it was supposed to be :P
I thought it was a place where people traded conspiracy theories of various kinds, UFO sightings, and doom porn for the lulz; with the occasional side effect of inadvertently redpilling bystanders. 8)
Quote from: zorgon on December 01, 2014, 06:08:40 AM
Kinda what Matrix has been saying in his way... Kinda what Zorgon has been saying in his way 8) Kinda the basis of the Law of Attraction too
Quite true... I met the Morman ones once after an 'incident' on the mountain. Seems the fellow that took me there wasn't even allowed in to that group... was an interesting experience...
Quite smart actually because that 'entity' just MIGHT be LOKI having some fun with you... as you say, you will FEEL the truth.. quite literally it will give you goose bumps and a tingling of the flesh. You may have even felt this at times.
What people need to learn is how to recognize this feeling for what it is when it does come. In religious jargon we hear "he saw the light!" meaning he got it...it is actually more accurate to say he FELT the light
"The Word"
This garden universe vibrates complete.
Some we get a sound so sweet.
Vibrations reach on up to become light,
And then thru gamma, out of sight.
Between the eyes and ears there lay,
The sounds of colour and the light of a sigh.
And to hear the sun, what a thing to believe.
But it's all around if we could but perceive.
To know ultra-violet, infra-red and X-rays,
Beauty to find in so many ways.
Two notes of the chord, that's our fluoroscope.
But to reach the chord is our lifes hope.
And to name the chord is important to some.
So they give a word, and the word is OM.
Perhaps Hu-mons are still too busy chasing their tales to figure out that the WAR started so long ago IS STILL GOING ON and Hu-mons are mere Cannon Fodder...
No need to pick a side.... walk the NEUTRAL line Every action has an equal and opposite reaction, every positive has a negative equal and opposite, every good deed has an equal and opposite bad deed...
But they all have ONE THING in common... at the half way point there is BALANCE... there is NEUTRALITY. Walking along the neutral point you achieve balance and the path is a lot easier... no ups and downs
(https://i1.creativecow.net/u/244743/image001.jpg)
The Universe IS Vibrations... resonance and frequency... Study Cymatics - you will see how vibration creates life. The Hippies had it right "It's all in your VIBES
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Igzd1yh5wL8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Igzd1yh5wL8
So what are you waiting for? PULL AWAY follow your own path and stop believing that Lucifer is the bad guy. Both sides of that conflict are non-homan so neither side should hold sway over us... And your biased thinking Lucifer is the bad guy. You are trapped by 2000 years of 'correct' thinking
Break the chains... see the LIGHT for what it is
8)
Yes BIG war in "Heaven" left scars on Mars and other moons and planets, destroyed one planet. All our religious texts and mythologies speak of this war and the aftermath in some form. Yes it is still going on, though seems to be quiet in our space at the moment.
HOW do you KNOW it's Lucifer's light that is blinding you? The other guy is also shining a bright light around... so HOW DO YOU KNOW what 'they' have told you is THE TRUTH? Seems you have basically adopted the Christian rhetoric of Lucifer being an evil reptilian/snake/dragon that is responsible for all our woes... yet reding the religious texts its the 'good guy" doing all the war, the destruction, the blasting of cities, the floods that kill all, the inquisitions to force you to belief "he' is the good guy and the Jihads ensure you remember it
Time to wake up and see the truth...
8)
There ya go... so lets tell BOTH side to take their war to another Galaxy 8)
I know Lucifer is the deceiver, because by his fruits I know him.
Our world leaders believe, like you, believe that he bears the light - and in talking of 'knowledge' this is true. But what has he had us do with this knowledge?
Maybe there's a reason Lucifers counterpart didn't offer us the same knowledge.
Has it not been stated that our 'scientific' and technological progression has far exceeded our Spiritual progression?
I don't even know who the good guy is in all this, but I do know it is not the force that we have come to name as Lucifer.