https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/3099
Mentions a General Casbolt? Refers to Roswell events as known to be real? Some people claim to be skeptics but not in private?
Quote from: Eighthman on October 10, 2016, 07:22:39 PM
Mentions a General Casbolt?
I don't see it. ???
QuoteRefers to Roswell events as known to be real?
Apparently, Tom DeLonge says that "Roswell was a Russian craft (https://twitter.com/tomdelonge/status/72084460165804032)".
QuoteSome people claim to be skeptics but not in private?
People can be sceptics and study UFOs. :)
Excuse me, McCasland.
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/4065
Another one, not so dramatic but Soros is pro-disclosure?
Quote from: Eighthman on October 10, 2016, 07:22:39 PM
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/3099
Mentions a General Casbolt? Refers to Roswell events as known to be real? Some people claim to be skeptics but not in private?
There are two emails from Delonge:
first from 2015-10-26:
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https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/2125 (https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/2125)
Second from 2016-01-25:
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https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/3099 (https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/3099)
Interisting "résumé" from Mccasland:
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http://www.af.mil/AboutUs/Biographies/Display/tabid/225/Article/104776/major-general-william-n-mccasland.aspx (http://www.af.mil/AboutUs/Biographies/Display/tabid/225/Article/104776/major-general-william-n-mccasland.aspx)
Quote from: ArMaP on October 10, 2016, 08:15:44 PM
Apparently, Tom DeLonge says that "Roswell was a Russian craft (https://twitter.com/tomdelonge/status/72084460165804032)".
That post is from 2011, i wonder, as the emails are from 2015-16 if he still stands for that clain as we know people's oppinions change.I guess we need to wait for his movie come out to find out. ::)
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People can be sceptics and study UFOs. :)
I think most people that "believe" in "ufos" and say they are sceptics is mostly because they fear to put their reputation on risk touching a field we all know may be devastating. The machine that acts against what we call disclosure does not forget, does not forgive.
Mentions a General Casbolt?
ArMaP said, "I don't see it. ???"
Actually, the email "Subject" is General McCasland, not "General Casebolt"
The email is from Tom Delonge, founder of TOTHESTARSINC.COM.
Here is a link on this subject that gives a little more broad discussion on this:
http://www.spin.com/2016/10/latest-wikileaks-dump-shows-tom-delonge-emailing-clinton-campaign-chair-about-ufos/
edit: Well, I do now see that Russo covered most of this too! :)
Quote from: RUSSO on October 10, 2016, 09:24:17 PM
That post is from 2011, i wonder, as the emails are from 2015-16 if he still stands for that clain as we know people's oppinions change.
True, and in his "Ask me anything" on ATS I don't think he answered any question about Roswell.
PS: for those that do not know who he is, he is mostly know for being the ex Blink 182 guitarist.
Here are the attachments Delonge talks in the email:
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/2125 (https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/2125)
Quote--Here are some photos from the material I am using as I meet with Studio Partners.
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Another email where Podesta responded to the sender Juan Pieczanski:
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https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/3289 (https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/3289)
QuoteAnyway, I've been meaning to reach out since reading Leslie Kean's book. I'm sure we share some similar frustrations at a lack of disclosure of perhaps the most important thing humanity has ever experienced. If there is anything I can do to help, in any way, please let me know. There aren't many legitimate people out there speaking on this topic. Especially people who have held your positions in government. Is disclosure on the horizon? Can we make it happen under Hillary? We cant let the military corporations block disclosure any longer! Thanks for your time, >> Juan
From what I have seen, there isn't any reference to UFOs by Podesta himself. Did I miss something?
Quote from: ArMaP on October 11, 2016, 01:41:14 PM
From what I have seen, there isn't any reference to UFOs by Podesta himself. Did I miss something?
No but he thanks the guy for the "note", what is not much of course. I posted the email just to keep a record because we dont know what yet to come in future leaks, also to ward off the possibility it was a spam.
A little more information about a John Podesta and Tom DeLonge relationship! 8)
http://heatst.com/politics/wikileaks-john-podesta-probably-broke-up-blink-182-over-ufos/
http://www.msn.com/en-us/music/celebrity/blink-182s-tom-delonge-has-been-emailing-hillary-clintons-adviser-about-ufos/ar-BBxgJdE?ocid=U348DHP
Blink-182's Tom DeLonge Has Been Emailing Hillary Clinton's Adviser About UFOs
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© Getty Images Tom DeLonge
Tom DeLonge had a number of reasons for leaving Blink-182 last year, but at the top of that list was UFOs. Now, thanks to WikiLeaks, the level of his interest is becoming increasingly clear.
Among emails released by WikiLeaks this month were at least two that showed DeLonge had emailed Hillary Clinton's campaign chairman John Podesta about about extraterrestrial life. As the Wall Street Journal reports, DeLonge wrote to Podesta in somewhat vague language about their shared interest of greater government disclosure about unidentified flying objects and the potential life forms behind them.
In an email from 2015, DeLonge told Podesta that he would like to introduce him to two "very 'important' people" with knowledge of issues relating to their "sensitive topic."
"I think you will find them very interesting," wrote DeLonge. "Both were in charge of most fragile divisions, as it relates to Classified Science and DOD topics. Other words, these are A-Level officials. Worth our time, and as well the investment to bring all the way out to you. I just need 2 hours from you."
It is also revealed that Podesta participated in a documentary DeLonge is producing.
While it is not clear whether Podesta responded to DeLonge's emails, the two have separately discussed their interests in getting the truth of UFOs out there to the public.
When Podesta left the Obama administration in 2015, he tweeted that his "biggest failure" was "not securing the #disclosure of the UFO files."
Meanwhile, DeLonge has been hard at work developing a new multi-media enterprise around extra terrestrial life, including young adult novels, non-fiction research, music, plenty of swag and more, with plans for documentaries and motion pictures to follow.
In another email from earlier this year, DeLonge states that he has been working with a former Air Force Major General William N. McCasland, saying that though McCasland had said he was a "skeptic" about UFOs the two had been working together for four months and McCasland helped DeLonge assemble his advisory team.
"He just has to say that out loud, but he is very, very aware- as he was in charge of all of the stuff," DeLonge wrote. "When Roswell crashed, they shipped it to the laboratory at Wright Patterson Air Force Base. General McCasland was in charge of that exact laboratory up to a couple years ago."
While it's not clear where all this research into UFOs will lead, it's clear DeLonge is taking it all very seriously.
This article originally appeared on Billboard.com.
On January 25, 2016 10:30 AM – 11:30 AM John Podesta and Tom DeLonge held a meeting on google hangout. One of the people present for the meeting was Milia Fisher, a special assistant at Hillary for America.
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/5078 (https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/5078)
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Quote from: ArMaP on October 10, 2016, 08:15:44 PM
Apparently, Tom DeLonge says that "Roswell was a Russian craft (https://twitter.com/tomdelonge/status/72084460165804032)".
Yes that one line tweet from Tom explains it all, right? ::)
Sadly Tom seems unaware of how that explanation does not fit for several different reasons.
I note that 3 of his 'A list' sources revealed so far are Air Force officers.
He is probably too young to remember the various AFOSI Aviary disinformation campaigns that ended up ruining the careers of more than one UFO researcher.
The interview/documentary 'In search of tone' about him shows him to be a fairly articulate intelligent person very open to new ideas and information, and also willing to reevaluate past convictions and assumptions.
So even if he stumbles and falls this time around, I suspect he will return with plan B.
If nothing else, Tom is persistent.
Podesta and Cameron are pushing to try to get the UFO crowd vote for Hillary...
I am pretty sure that those in the UFO community are to smart to fall for that crap right?
There is NO WAY Hillary a) knows anything or b) would ever reveal anything if she did.
Her hubby Bill didn't even look into it until his second term and when he did all he did was send an aide to Area 51, who was told "Nope no aliens here, just secret airplanes" And that was that.
If any UFO nut votes for Hillary based on this crap I am giving them a full permanent BAN for stupidity :P
I and others have been following Camerons' push on FAcebook. Most agree that Hillary would NEVER be 'in the know' or release anything. She is a pathological liar and will do anything to get a vote.
Surely you guys are smart enough to see that?
::)
I wholeheartedly agree that Hillary is a broadgauge liar however things such as this can take on life of their own. I was just reading about how Pastafarianism has gained legal status in some countries despite being a joke.
Some years ago, I read a brief blog that Bill had given a paid speech in Asia in which he said he was told that Roswell was true. It vanished completely (as such things do).
I think we are seeing a 'first level' of classified stuff. It can be suggestive but I hope for deeper revelations about US support for ISIS, stuff on Aliens and more. We are living in a weird time, unlike anything I've ever seen. I have this nagging feeling that, one day, we will look back and understand these events in retrospect. It could be that we are being prepared for a radically different world order.
Oh, and one other thought germane to this site: if Aliens exist and are preventing nuclear war then the conclusion is inescapable - the USA is unfit to dominate the world.
Experts say we haven't been this close to WW3 in decades especially with regard to the Middle East. Meanwhile, the US media is as crotch obsessed as ever. The possibility of impeding nuclear war doesn't even make the headlines here. It's utterly irresponsible.
Spiderman comics wisely told kids, "with great power comes great responsibility". Let's throw in Libya, Syria, Iraq, Honduras and Afghanistan - the US needs to be neutralized as a world power and this is why I see this as a likely Alien imperative. So, if you guys are really out there.....
It isn't the President's decision what the President knows so the whole thing is nonsense. I do believe Podesta wants documents releasing but it is irrelevant.
Somewhat off-topic, but I believe it's important to understand who these people are and why. This is a "Frontline" documentary.
The Choice 2016 (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/film/the-choice-2016/)
In watching it I learned that Hillary was conditioned to extreme secrecy from early in her career.
Draw your own conclusions. Mine are that she has a weak moral compass.
Quote from: Irene on October 12, 2016, 03:25:20 PM
Draw your own conclusions. Mine are that she has a weak moral compass.
Hardly surprising. You have had Nixon, Bush Sr., Bush Jr, Clinton and now you have either Hilary or Trump. Not one of them have a remotely strong moral compass by a decent persons standards.
Has it occurred to you guys that it isn't the people that are the problem but the nature of the "democratic" process you use to select them. If it requires massive amounts of cash to reach the office of President then you will get corrupt individuals who can get there. Bernie Sanders got close without being morally retarded but, again, the system was weighted against him.
Part of the solution would be all candidates only being allowed to campaign with a set amount of money from the state. Then they can't be so easily bought for donations. It would also help if they were not allowed to have links to any large businesses for completely obvious reasons.
Quote from: Pimander on October 12, 2016, 05:18:19 PM
Hardly surprising. You have had Nixon, Bush Sr., Bush Jr, Clinton and now you have either Hilary or Trump. Not one of them have a remotely strong moral compass by a decent persons standards.
Has it occurred to you guys that it isn't the people that are the problem but the nature of the "democratic" process you use to select them. If it requires massive amounts of cash to reach the office of President then you will get corrupt individuals who can get there. Bernie Sanders got close without being morally retarded but, again, the system was weighted against him.
Part of the solution would be all candidates only being allowed to campaign with a set amount of money from the state. Then they can't be so easily bought for donations. It would also help if they were not allowed to have links to any large businesses for completely obvious reasons.
We know exactly what the problem is. The fact is that we are powerless to fix it.
Our "government representatives" have woven such a protective web around themselves that they are practically untouchable, and the corruption is legendary.
Quote from: Irene on October 12, 2016, 05:48:56 PM
We know exactly what the problem is. The fact is that we are powerless to fix it.
That just isn't true. The problem is that people want some saviour to sort it for them (and that saviour clearly isn't the morally challenged Trump or H Clinton).
The government has the power people give it. If the will for change is there then change will happen but people have to do more than hope Donald Trump will do it for them.
ETA: The criticism wasn't directed at you Irene, it is a call to our brothers and sisters over the pond. It's bad here but the problems are different ones.
Quote from: Pimander on October 12, 2016, 06:57:11 PM
That just isn't true. The problem is that people want some saviour to sort it for them (and that saviour clearly isn't the morally challenged Trump or H Clinton).
The government has the power people give it. If the will for change is there then change will happen but people have to do more than hope Donald Trump will do it for them.
ETA: The criticism wasn't directed at you Irene, it is a call to our brothers and sisters over the pond. It's bad here but the problems are different ones.
Well, people want a savior when they are overwhelmed, especially on all fronts, as we are.
Apathy is a definite problem, bread and circuses placates the masses while the corrupt consolidate power.
They won't hesitate to use our own troops against us. How do you fight the establishment when you know that either way the house wins?
I agree that apathy is the problem.
Quote from: Irene on October 12, 2016, 07:17:45 PM
They won't hesitate to use our own troops against us. How do you fight the establishment when you know that either way the house wins?
How did women and black people get the vote? How was slavery abolished? How was child labour abolished? How did scientists begin to get the freedom to pronounce truths that contradict the Bible? How did the great monarchies fall or have to concede power to democracy?
There is history there.
" Part of the solution would be all candidates only being allowed to campaign with a set amount of money from the state. Then they can't be so easily bought for donations. It would also help if they were not allowed to have links to any large businesses for completely obvious reasons. "
That's what we have here , in France . And it has never been so messy !!!
The solution is not here ... will have to find something different : )
Guerande
Quote from: guerande on October 12, 2016, 07:49:59 PM
" Part of the solution would be all candidates only being allowed to campaign with a set amount of money from the state. Then they can't be so easily bought for donations. It would also help if they were not allowed to have links to any large businesses for completely obvious reasons. "
That's what we have here , in France . And it has never been so messy !!!
The solution is not here ... will have to find something different : )
Guerande
I did say part of the solution. It definitely helps though. Corporations and private interests should not be deciding who wins elections.
This why the BBC is better than privately owned media. Again not perfect, but much better than people like Rupert Murdock owning coverage of elections.
It also help s when populations are educated enough to know when politicians are using the same rhetoric that we heard before the NAZI party took over. Trump and Marine Le Pen are both using similar language to what the Nazis used. That frightens me.
Quote from: Pimander on October 12, 2016, 07:41:32 PM
IHow did scientists begin to get the freedom to pronounce truths that contradict the Bible?
There is history there.
And what "truths" might you be referring to?? :o
Quote from: rdunk on October 12, 2016, 08:41:36 PM
And what "truths" might you be referring to?? :o
awwwwww god, did you have to ask him that ! ! ! ::) :P ;)
Quote from: Norval on October 12, 2016, 09:14:16 PM
awwwwww god, did you have to ask him that ! ! ! ::) :P ;)
I'll only give you one example because it's derailing the conversation... ;D
Quote from: rdunk on October 12, 2016, 08:41:36 PM
And what "truths" might you be referring to?? :o
The World and Man were not created in six days! If you want to debate it then start a thread somewhere else for God's sake! ::) :P
ETA: And yes, to the more enlightened Bible readers, I know the 6 days thing has allegorical/symbolic meaning but that is not what the Church were preaching (and some fundamentalists still do) when science broke their monopoly on truth!
It's hard to say what the exact solution is. While Britain seems better, you have Tony Blair and the Iraq War. Hard to understand how that happened.
EU leaders seem like gutless, cowardly vassals of the US. If they don't bribe them outright, they can just arrange a well-paid speech or two -- or appoint them as parasitic directors of some multinational company, where you just show up to an occasional meeting and get a check.
Then there's the NSA. They gather info good for blackmail or manipulation. That's part of the picture, too.
Putin and XI want a multipolar world - at least that's a start.
Quote from: Norval on October 12, 2016, 09:14:16 PM
awwwwww god, did you have to ask him that ! ! ! ::) :P ;)
;D Well, it was only a question of curiosity! By fact, Biblical Truths are accepted by faith, and the science of "learned men" has nothing to do with the reality of it!!!
So... what if there really are no Aliens?
What then?
...oh wait that would mean no gods either as they too are 'not of this earth" so would be true ET's :P
Watching the political BS over the past few months I have come to the conclusion that there is no way ANY of those politicians know ANYTHING about Aliens... so either there is a really secret society that is running the show that has emmense power... or.... there are no aliens.
...because there is no way that these stupid politicians could possibly cover up anything.
Besides if I was an Alien I would let you Hu-mons nuke each other just for kicks... then come in and exterminate what is left. It really is a pretty planet once you get rid of that Hu-mon infestation :P
Quote from: zorgon on October 13, 2016, 09:41:07 AM
...because there is no way that these stupid politicians could possibly cover up anything.
They know fuc4 all.
What should be obvious is what folks think will be disclosed is not the truth. It is definitely not that kind of cover up. That things are covered up is not in doubt.
before 9/11 it was the CIA that "read in" a new president. Don't forget that a president is an OFFICE TEMP 4 years only 8 years tops and they are gone.
Carter was told by Bush that the curiosity of a president is NOT a high enough "need to know" level. Carter tried to fire Bush as head of CIA :P
After 9/11 it is the NSA that reads in a new president
Here is the declassified document WARNING It is at NSA archives
NSA Briefs a New President - National Security Archive
http://nsarchive.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB278/04.PDF
The Jimmy Carter UFO thing is here Oddly enough written by Grant Cameron :P The same Cameron who know says Hillary will be the one :P
http://www.presidentialufo.com/jimmy-carter/93-jimmy-carter-ufo
Quote from: zorgon on October 13, 2016, 10:10:07 AM
before 9/11 it was the CIA that "read in" a new president. Don't forget that a president is an OFFICE TEMP 4 years only 8 years tops and they are gone.
Carter was told by Bush that the curiosity of a president is NOT a high enough "need to know" level. Carter tried to fire Bush as head of CIA :P
After 9/11 it is the NSA that reads in a new president
Here is the declassified document WARNING It is at NSA archives
NSA Briefs a New President - National Security Archive
http://nsarchive.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB278/04.PDF
The Jimmy Carter UFO thing is here Oddly enough written by Grant Cameron :P The same Cameron who know says Hillary will be the one :P
http://www.presidentialufo.com/jimmy-carter/93-jimmy-carter-ufo
Boy after reading 04.pdf...I was having flashbacks...
Quote from: rdunk on October 13, 2016, 03:14:59 AM
;D Well, it was only a question of curiosity! By fact, Biblical Truths are accepted by faith, and the science of "learned men" has nothing to do with the reality of it!!!
This is intellectual laziness. Theists don't want to work the hard problems, so they resort to the "Duct Tape" explanation.
Quote from: Irene on October 13, 2016, 03:59:24 PM
This is intellectual laziness. Theists don't want to work the hard problems, so they resort to the "Duct Tape" explanation.
I'd go further, it is intellectual cowardice not to question what you believe. What is there to be afraid of if it isn't the truth? ;)
What kind of position is it to say, "Even if what I believe is contradicted by evidence because I have faith"? Grade A nonsense! If I did that I would be torn to shreds.
That is the difference I suppose. The whole point of Science is to question and test ideas. Dogma is the enemy of truth in any field of though, even Theism.
This whole Podesta/ET thing, in my opinion thing , Stinks of political subterfuge. Last night George Knapp made an excited appearence with George Noorey re: the exciting information from the Leaks. I have a real problem with Knapp as he has been talking up Podesta/ Hillary ET thing way Before any "Leaks" took place, and I know his heavy liberal leanings. The danger here as most might suspect is that Knapp is a big name, his "Credibility" in the ET world is just about beyond reproach. That's a lot of "swaying " power, if you ask me! I am going to go out on a limb here to say that Knapp had piror contact and knowledge way before The Leaks.
If ET becomes nothing but a political ploy, the whole subject becomes tainted and MORE allusive than ever before known! :-\
I'm sorry and confused did I post in the wrong Topic?
Knapp has been part of the conspiracy world for decades. In all that time it was inevitable that he, and others like him, would run across credible information.
Quote from: Irene on October 13, 2016, 04:30:38 PM
Knapp has been part of the conspiracy world for decades. In all that time it was inevitable that he, and others like him, would run across credible information.
Knapp is suppose to be an objective reporter.. ;)..Don't you believe it...he's in it for the money and fame....
Edit: of course I don't have any proof of this, I'm sure Mr. Knapp is a fine individual. A great reporter with impeccable credibility! I was just talking of reporters in general, hence the 'wink'. I should have been clearer. My apologies.
Quote from: Irene on October 13, 2016, 04:30:38 PM
Knapp has been part of the conspiracy world for decades. In all that time it was inevitable that he, and others like him, would run across credible information.
There is no new information in the Podesta Leaks. Mitchell was the only credible name in the whole thing, most of us UFO "nuts" knew what he was up to. AND he is no longer around to verify any thing with.
Quote from: Irene on October 13, 2016, 03:59:24 PM
This is intellectual laziness. Theists don't want to work the hard problems, so they resort to the "Duct Tape" explanation.
Duct tape fixes many things :P I hear it saved an Apollo 13 crew and got them back from the moon... (if you believe such faerie tales :P )
But yes most theists will divert the question when you ask and real hard question. It is frustrating but also funny at times.
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Quote from: Phedre on October 13, 2016, 05:55:50 PM
There is no new information in the Podesta Leaks. Mitchell was the only credible name in the whole thing, most of us UFO "nuts" knew what he was up to. AND he is no longer around to verify any thing with.
So I have been saying... it is simply another "try to get votes from the UFO crowd" ploy. I did at least get an autograph from Ed Mitchell before he passed on, but unfortunately I never got to follow up with him on the holloman AFB case.
Soon none of the original players will be left alive. Once that happens the charlatans will have free reign to make up any story they want as no one will be able to rebut it.
And the fickle audience doesn't care... they will lap up (and pay for0 any old story that tells them what they WANT to believe. True UZFOlogyu is dead... this is expecially evident when MUFON records KNOWN triangular trash bag ballons as valid UFO reports.
I think I have wasted 10 years of my life on this field.... sigh..... and not a penny to show for it :P
Quote from: Sgt.Rocknroll on October 13, 2016, 05:44:10 PM
Knapp is suppose to be an objective reporter.. ;)..Don't you believe it...he's in it for the money and fame....
Got any proof of that Sarge? ;)
I'm sure we'd all love to hear it.
Quote from: Sgt.Rocknroll on October 13, 2016, 05:44:10 PM
Knapp is suppose to be an objective reporter.. ;)..Don't you believe it...he's in it for the money and fame....
Do you know anyone who isn't?
Zorgon,I love duct tape as much as the next homeowner, but it doesn't cut it for me when it comes to physics, et al.
If the NSA/CIA has knowledge of ET's and does not share it with the President, that right there tells you that the government is corrupt and unconstitutional.
It contradicts 'the President shall be Commander in Chief'. Not a new thought, R. Dolan points out that Eisenhower was enraged by the secrecy surrounding nuclear weapons and Area 51.
There is a lot of buzz on the 'Moran' site about an email released today that seems to suggest that Podesta knew something about Scalia being murdered. Highly inflammatory if true. There has already been some fallout about Qatar funding ISIS. Things are getting exciting. Is the Cabal finally meeting up with justice?
We've known for a long time that the most secret areas of government were hijacked by private contractors years ago, and there was never a time when anything involving Homo sapiens wasn't corrupt.
It is the nature of the beast.
I have known George for quite a while and found him to be trustworthy and reliable.
This is a research consortium not a rumor consortium.
One liner opinions and/or accusations with no supporting evidence do not cut it here, or on any forum for that matter.
If you engage in such foolishness, you can expect to be called out on it.
Sarge's opinions, as in the Physicist corroborating Bob Lazar's story, were clearly demonstrated to be based on fantasy not fact.
As such any opinion he offers can be immediately relegated to the baseless rumor bin.
And since they are posted in a open to the public forum, George could easily become aware of them and consider them defamatory, slander and libelous.
eta: George is a stickler for facts. He once even declined to show a film of mine because it had the wrong mountain horizon in the background.
Of course I went to work correcting the problem but the point is George has never been shown by anyone to be corrupt or not objective.
Quote from: Eighthman on October 13, 2016, 08:02:40 PM
If the NSA/CIA has knowledge of ET's and does not share it with the President, that right there tells you that the government is corrupt and unconstitutional.
It contradicts 'the President shall be Commander in Chief'. Not a new thought, R. Dolan points out that Eisenhower was enraged by the secrecy surrounding nuclear weapons and Area 51.
There is a lot of buzz on the 'Moran' site about an email released today that seems to suggest that Podesta knew something about Scalia being murdered. Highly inflammatory if true. There has already been some fallout about Qatar funding ISIS. Things are getting exciting. Is the Cabal finally meeting up with justice?
Well Eighthman the conspiracy you allude to is already an established fact.
Project Venona was restricted even from the highest levels of government.
Senior army officers, in consultation with the FBI and CIA, made the decision to restrict knowledge of Venona within the government (even the CIA was not made an active partner until 1952).
This group decided which matters the POTUS, or Commander In Chief as you point out, would or would not be briefed about.
And so in fact a silent coup d'etat was successfully enacted decades ago to keep the office temps out of the loop.
Quote from: Irene on October 13, 2016, 08:18:48 PM
We've known for a long time that the most secret areas of government were hijacked by private contractors years ago, and there was never a time when anything involving Homo sapiens wasn't corrupt.
It is the nature of the beast.
Well a PRIME example is Project Stargate... the remote viewing CIA operation from the 60's Congress only found out about it in the 90's and then figured they had to do something to stop it.
Well Project Stargate simply went to private contracts (Psitech) (We have all that documented up the wazoo) All the papers mysteriously vanished (transfered to PsiTech) and Congress has no jurisdiction over private corporations.
So the PTB that really run the show HAVE to be within the private corporations. Guys like Soros, Rothschild and Rockefeller for example. Looking at those three they look like they already have one foot in the grave (Rockefeller has had 5 heart transplants) Maybe when they move on we will get better, because the new young blood doesn't have the same nasty streak, having been tempered by being born into wealth already.
Eisenhower?
He warned us
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8y06NSBBRtY
Woodrow Wilson?
Sold us back to the Banks in 1913/14
He apologized but... the deed was done
Zorgon,
I would agree with you except for Martin Shkreli. This kid, I believe, is representative of the selfish and anarchic attitude of the two most recent generations.
You have far more faith in today's youth than I do.
Yeah true BUT they don't have the same EVIL personas Crooked, greedy, selfish sure... but those old guys have a special kind of evil thta tells me they are not believing in any afterlife. trying to cling on as long as possible because they are afraid.
:D
It's not faith in our youth, it is simply a degree of evil. The new money has had it easier
Quote from: zorgon on October 13, 2016, 10:49:42 PM
Yeah true BUT they don't have the same EVIL personas Crooked, greedy, selfish sure... but those old guys have a special kind of evil thta tells me they are not believing in any afterlife. trying to cling on as long as possible because they are afraid.
:D
It's not faith in our youth, it is simply a degree of evil. The new money has had it easier
Gotcha. :)
Quote from: Sgt.Rocknroll on October 13, 2016, 05:44:10 PM
Knapp is suppose to be an objective reporter.. ;)..Don't you believe it...he's in it for the money and fame....
Edit: of course I don't have any proof of this, I'm sure Mr. Knapp is a fine individual. A great reporter with impeccable credibility! I was just talking of reporters in general, hence the 'wink'. I should have been clearer. My apologies.
No worries here. :)
Quote from: zorgon on October 13, 2016, 06:07:06 PM
So I have been saying... it is simply another "try to get votes from the UFO crowd" ploy. I did at least get an autograph from Ed Mitchell before he passed on, but unfortunately I never got to follow up with him on the holloman AFB case.
Only that the information came from EMAILS. So or wikileaks want to get some votes to HC or it has nothing to do with votes. At least not for her. And if you tell me that it is to get votes to Trump, i dont see why cause there is no line from him about ufos(at least none that im aware of).
Quote from: RUSSO on October 14, 2016, 07:20:10 AM
Only that the information came from EMAILS. So or wikileaks want to get some votes to HC or it has nothing to do with votes. At least not for her. And if you tell me that it is to get votes to Trump, i dont see why cause there is no line from him about ufos(at least none that im aware of).
Well Podesta is the driving force in this and he supports Killary :P And no Trump is not going for the UFO vote...
With 48% of Americans on food stamps the country has more important issues to deal with then worrying about non existing aliens :P
Bwahahahahah
your right who needs government disclosure? We have Greer making hundreds of thousands selling fake videos and MUFZON tracking garbage bag balloons (like this one)
(http://www.latest-ufo-sightings.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/british-ufo.png)
http://www.latest-ufo-sightings.net/2015/03/british-woman-says-she-had-two-ufo-encounters.html
But that picture is really a garbage bag balloon from the USA :P
(http://6336-presscdn-26-82.pagely.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/triangle-flying-object.png)
Now here is the thing...
Even though the news station KNEW what it was... they still got over 6000 replies on Facebook calling it a UFO... only 3 people called it a balloon and only one person bothered to search online to find it (ME :P) It took only a few seconds to find the story
So pictures of this balloon have endend up in MUFON reports and other news stories claiming to be different sightings
So DISCLOSURE is irrelevant... people will only believe what they want to believe.
http://www.koat.com/article/diamond-shaped-object-in-sky-causes-stir/5061578
I cannot recall without taking time to check...I assumed it has been discussed...I wonder what came of this..that I think was back in 2015 with many numerous known in the UFO agenda.
Has there been many past such meetings on the scale as what seems to be shown in the related video.
How many if any maybe legit ? Stanton F maybe !
or are they all in it for making things up and for the money ?
http://www.citizenhearing.org/
Zorgon
QuoteSo DISCLOSURE is irrelevant... people will only believe what they want to believe.
QuoteWe have Greer making hundreds of thousands selling fake videos and MUFZON tracking garbage bag balloons :o
Quote from: zorgon on October 14, 2016, 06:29:38 PM
So DISCLOSURE is irrelevant... people will only believe what they want to believe.
The point of disclosure is not what people BELIEVE. There is people that believe that our planet is flat for example. ;D
Official disclosure is irrelevant because, the fact some people dont believe in ETI, will not make them dissapear from universe. They exist or not!
The probabilities they do exist are overwhelming tho. ;)
As I have said in /r/conspiracy, my attitude towards anything from Wikileaks concerning UFOlogy, is one of intense skepticism. I have simply been deceived on this topic one too many times. I think I've mentioned before that the fade to black at the end of Greer's film Sirius, was when I shook the proverbial dust from my feet, concerning the topic.
Please be careful about this, for your own sakes. Follow every lead and possible means of corroboration or cross-reference that you can. While I do believe in the existence of extraterrestrial life, I believe with equal adamancy that around 0.05% percent of UFOlogy's total material, has been anywhere near the truth. I'm also very strongly inclined to view Wikileaks as a limited hangout or source of disinformation in general terms, to be honest. I've never seen them release anything that has done truly serious damage to the powers that be.
If anyone can offer anything in refutation of the above opinion, I welcome it. Are any of you familiar with Assange's possible links to Anne Hamilton-Byrne? If not, you may find this interesting:-
http://spitfirelist.com/for-the-record/ftr-724-wiki-of-the-damned/
It's quite remarkable when we observe steps or graduated change in situations that we would otherwise think are just binary - all this or all that. People are weird that way.
I firmly rejected evolution for many years because there had never been a case in which a new species was observed to appear that could no longer reproduce with its parent species. When this fact changed (certain plant species), I changed. Evolution is true, that's that. Yet, I guess many people aren't like that.
"Childhood's End" (the movie) portrays people clinging to religion/Christianity even after Aliens openly appear. I now think this could happen, should that context ever occur. OTOH, it might be much safer for the human race if it turned out that way. People need to keep going to work, look after their families, etc.
I believe that there has been no leader of a nation that has disclosed/admitted that ET's are real - until Russia apparently did. This is more of a technical point than I would have thought - but live and learn!
Quote from: Eighthman on October 15, 2016, 01:36:47 AM
I firmly rejected evolution for many years because there had never been a case in which a new species was observed to appear that could no longer reproduce with its parent species. When this fact changed (certain plant species), I changed. Evolution is true, that's that.
I don't like evolution as an idea. That is not to say that I totally disbelieve in it; but as applied to
humans specifically, I'm inclined to view it largely as fraud. I've also noticed that whenever either psychopaths or Capitalists fail to justify themselves in an argument, natural selection is always their final plea.
I also strongly dislike the degree to which evolutionary theory has become an ideological status symbol, or qualification for social acceptance. I've never seen anything else so strongly or adamantly used as a justification for rejecting or ostracising people, than their refusal to accept evolution as an idea. Evolution is very much a gatekeeper idea; if you want anyone to like you in this society, you'd better make sure not only that you accept it, but that the word is regularly mentioned in both your thought and speech.
I'm more inclined to believe that ET is actually ED, phased. They are right next to us at a different "frequency", which they are able to manipulate in a way we can't.
To me, this explains how they are able to instantly appear and disappear, and why they are so hard to photograph. They warp gravity. Gravitational lensing has shown us what this can do.
Altered consciousness has also shown us what cannot be perceived in the drugless state.
We are surrounded, but limited by our brain's normal capacity to interpret our environment. The ability is there, but it must be enhanced chemically to induce higher levels of consciousness.
The shamanic experience is a good example. Indigenous peoples often chose individuals with schizo/psycho(tic) tendencies for their shamans because they were believed to be rooted in the spiritual world based on their schizo/psycho(tic) visions.
Based on what I've read over the years, I'd say these EDs are similar to either the creature in the "Predator" films or to the NA skinwalker, the latter being more in the nature of an inhabiting spirit, i.e., without a physical body, but able to inhabit any living creature.
There is a lot going on around us, but we have a severely limited capacity to sense it without chemical enhancement.
Anyway, feel free to tell me I'm full of s***. This is just my opinion based on personal experience.
Quote from: petrus4 on October 15, 2016, 06:02:30 AM
I don't like evolution as an idea. That is not to say that I totally disbelieve in it; but as applied to humans specifically, I'm inclined to view it largely as fraud.
Evolution by natural selection definitely happens but that does not preclude the possibility that there are other mechanisms of evolution.
The descent of Man by Darwin, which gave rise to the theory that apes climbed out of trees and evolved into humans just does not hold water. The theory has many holes in it that have never been filled by natural historians. The aquatic ape theory is far better.
QuoteI've also noticed that whenever either psychopaths or Capitalists fail to justify themselves in an argument, natural selection is always their final plea.
That might be true but has no bearing on the theory of natural selection.
Quote from: Irene on October 15, 2016, 03:47:10 PM
I'm more inclined to believe that ET is actually ED, phased.
I think it is an interesting line and will probably/possibly be part of the answer. What people have traditionally considered Gods and spirits could be included here. Jacques Vallee's books (and The Edge of Reality: A Progress Report on Unidentified Flying Objects co authored by Allen Hynek) are worth a look in this regard for an intelligent read. ;)
I think in the search for "ET/ED/ID" intelligence, we should be aware of the possibility - in my view probability - that the reason the field is so confusing (including for military and private studies) is that there are several answers which would include physical phenomena (possibly humanoid ETs), interdimensional phenomena, stupidity and also outright fabrication are all part of the answer.
Quote from: Irene on October 15, 2016, 03:47:10 PM
I'm more inclined to believe that ET is actually ED, phased. They are right next to us at a different "frequency", which they are able to manipulate in a way we can't.
As far as I am concerned, this is true. The usual model actually describes third density (which we are currently almost out of) as being the last which is exclusively focused on physical reality. 4D and onward are increasingly acorporeal in nature. Bashar is usually described as early-ish 5D, and one of the other major channelled sources who I consider mostly legitimate, is from a society which I think is mid to late 4. Said source is Pleiadian, which I am still somewhat suspicious of, truthfully; both due to their level of emphasis on sex, and also the amount of support that exists for the idea that pretty much everything to do with them is the result of a CIA psychological warfare operation.
QuoteAltered consciousness has also shown us what cannot be perceived in the drugless state.
The Beta/3D default state is extremely narrowly focused. The primarily acorporeal beings operate at much greater bandwidth, and are able to perceive much more than we can simultaneously. Depending on how far removed they are, they can find it just as difficult to perceive on our level as we do on theirs. We are used to thinking of our own condition as normal, and other beings as weird; but there are some who consider us extremely strange.
QuoteThe shamanic experience is a good example. Indigenous peoples often chose individuals with schizo/psycho(tic) tendencies for their shamans because they were believed to be rooted in the spiritual world based on their schizo/psycho(tic) visions.
I'm somewhat schizotypal, and I was receiving lots of contact in Nimbin at times, especially when I was on weed or other things. The level of empathy that I was developing in particular, was the main reason why I left. It just got too much, especially considering that many of the people I was usually around, were junkies and ex cons. Being able to feel their emotions while stoned or tripping and paranoid myself, was a bit more than I wanted to handle, on a regular basis. I also have more residual guilt left over from Christianity than I was consciously acknowledging, too. I felt very, very dirty after my last LSD trip.
Quote from: RUSSO on October 14, 2016, 10:44:57 PM
The point of disclosure is not what people BELIEVE. There is people that believe that our planet is flat for example. ;D
True and they are growing in numbers. In that case the government gave full disclorure that the planet is ROUND but they don't buy it because as we all know the Government LIES :P
QuoteThe probabilities they do exist are overwhelming tho. ;)
There really is no question of their existance :P The question is are they in the neighborhood and stopping by. Considering we are litarally in the middle of nowwhere on the edge of a tiny galaxy means we are not exactly on the main freeway of interstellar traffic. :P
No we do NOT need disclosure... what we need is just ONE hard case fact... one real saucer, one piece of alien metal not found on earth, one real alien... That is all we need...
What we get is endless hoaxes, manufactured aliens, ballooons passed off as UFO's and we STILL haven't stopped using the term "UFO" as meaning 'Alien Spacecraft" Until we smarten up, this will just get worse because the old timers are dying off and the young blood is more interested in making money on scams
Everyone who claims to have talked to an ET, invariably comes out admiting it was 'channelled' :P While I believe in channelling, the problem with it is that there is no way to verify WHO (or what) you are talking to. How many times have the GDFL channeled to people that they were coming to save us but then never show up? For all I know those people (who truly believed they were talking to Ashtar Command) were actually channelling LOKI, the Trickster
Over the years the more I look at it, the more I see that it is less likely that they are here at all. But for now I will stick with my original accessment 80%ish are plasma critters, native to earth and been around forever, 15% are our own secret airplanes and 5% the true visitors (like the Venusian flap in the 50's, which I believe they only said Venus as it was familiar)
That percentage is AFTER you remove all the weather phenomena, balloon, misidentified sightings, hoaxes and flying cows... (which account for at least 90% nay 95% of sightings and reports)
And YES there ARE flying cows :P
(http://digitalphotopix.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/cow-balloon.jpg)
Quote from: Eighthman on October 15, 2016, 01:36:47 AMuntil Russia apparently did.
When? Where? Links or it didn't happen :P
Many politicians have admited UFO's exist
Many government agencies have admited too and release to the public thousands of UFO files
What they DON'T have is reports of Alien Spacecraft :P
What they DON'T admit to is Aliens are real
A UFO is simply that some unidentified phenomena. Anyone can admit to that
Even the Military does not call them UFO's they use terms like UAP (unidentified aerial phenomena) and other terms I covered in another thread
Quote from: Irene on October 15, 2016, 03:47:10 PM
I'm more inclined to believe that ET is actually ED, phased. They are right next to us at a different "frequency", which they are able to manipulate in a way we can't.
I agree. So did Jaque Valee and Robert Bigelowe (and the Aviary and NISC) So does Stargate SG1 :P
They travel via portal and they may be the D'jinn. I really must put that all together on paper as it were before I forget my thoughts
QuoteTo me, this explains how they are able to instantly appear and disappear, and why they are so hard to photograph. They warp gravity. Gravitational lensing has shown us what this can do.
This also explains bigfoot and Nessie sightings We get brief glimpses of them in THEIR dimension, but the leave little or no physical evidence because they are not reallly here. We merely see them through a portal.
in the Air force stargate study paper it says "Naturally occurring anomalous teleportation phenomena that were previously studied by the United States and foreign governments were also documented in the study and are reviewed in the report. " This paper is on my website and I have had advertizing on that page from the marines... So... :P
The ED vs ET thing is OK, it helps explain a few things but to my tastes, it misses the primary stuff that Vallee brings up. Many people bring up the 'Trickster' element - I recall this mentioned by Russell Targ in regard to ESP events.
Why are "they" screwing with us? Why do they seem to be in unity as to not appearing openly? Why do they seem to lie so much?( depending on what encounters you accept as real) These things feel as if some
Overmind is involved. Bernardo Kastrup has written books on this,such as "Meaning In Absurdity" and he warns that if material realism fails, we could be left with a "reality" that cannot be subject to true/false logic. Makes my head hurt.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHCSpm2kepo
That's Medvedev and the media ran with the 'Men in Black' remark indicating a joke but that reference appears to misinterpreted. If he was serious, what are these Aliens DOING HERE????
Quote from: zorgon on October 16, 2016, 12:50:35 AM
We merely see them through a portal. in the Air force stargate study paper it says "Naturally occurring anomalous teleportation phenomena that were previously studied by the United States and foreign governments were also documented in the study and are reviewed in the report. " This paper is on my website and I have had advertizing on that page from the marines... So... :P
Aaah, so if you have read and believe Teleportation Physics Study (https://www.fas.org/sgp/eprint/teleport.pdf) then you must accept that the distances you quoted in another thread should NOT be an issue in the search for intelligent "alien" life. Devil's advocate or what? You know I'm not an idiot by now surely? :P ::)
Quote from: Eighthman on October 16, 2016, 01:23:26 AM
Why are "they" screwing with us? Why do they seem to be in unity as to not appearing openly? Why do they seem to lie so much?( depending on what encounters you accept as real) These things feel as if some
Overmind is involved. Bernardo Kastrup has written books on this,such as "Meaning In Absurdity" and he warns that if material realism fails, we could be left with a "reality" that cannot be subject to true/false logic. Makes my head hurt.
It is something I came across when I was an undergraduate and we were looking in depth at parapsychology research. We kept meeting researchers or reading that whenever they were close to nailing proof strange things would happen that can't be proven. It can get frightening. When I read Valle talking about it in relation to the UFO/aliens field I knew what he meant straight away.
If you have seen the Flatliners movie it is closer to what happened to us than is sane. I would have been thrown off my course if they found out what we were trying! (In the movie they stop their hearts so they can find out what happens when you die) I'm glad we were so reckless then because I'm way to long in the tooth to mess with that sort of thing now! The stupid risks some youngsters take to find out "the truth" is mind boggling.
QuoteThat's Medvedev and the media ran with the 'Men in Black' remark indicating a joke but that reference appears to misinterpreted. If he was serious, what are these Aliens DOING HERE????
If you find out, be fuc4ing careful who you talk to, or "they" will be there to wipe your memory, dressed in black! 8) ;D
I have wondered about this 'diversion' in other ways. Someone gets close to proving Alien Abductions and gets killed by a car. Eugene Mallove pushes towards free energy and gets beaten to death. All listings of a PBS NOVA show on using ESP to make 100K in silver futures vanish - and attempts to reproduce the profitable results (even for a worthy cause) fail.
There are plenty of these coincidences out there but they are seen as just that - unconnected events - are they really? In particular, is free energy forbidden?
I know this is subjective and therefore 'tricky' to judge but here goes..... for some time now, I have been trying to list events that would manifest a powerful shift out of this stagnant "Slough Of Despond" that we can't seem to break out of. Examples:
1) Britain leaves EU, NATO breaks down
2) US loses world hegemony
3) Russia/China forms Eurasian alliance instead
4) North Korea really changes /reforms dramatically
5) small Disclosure of ET bacteria, maybe fossils
6) free (or free-er ) energy -after Eurasian alliance is stable
7) prolongation of life span
I keep watching and hoping........ thinking that our evolution as a civilization is jammed up and looking for steps that we hit 'escape velocity'.
Oh, I often forget something after making these long rants !
I cannot escape the feeling that what is most remarkable about our technology is NOT how much progress we've made - but how little. No cure for cancer, no way to stop aging, no warp drive, no free energy, no really good battery. And social progress? Back to the Cold War, back to riots in cities, "snowflake" petulance, back to black slavery thru incarceration.......
We're stuck. Often, when you're stuck, you may drift backwards and that's what I sense......
Quote from: Eighthman on October 16, 2016, 03:10:17 AM
Oh, I often forget something after making these long rants !
I cannot escape the feeling that what is most remarkable about our technology is NOT how much progress we've made - but how little. No cure for cancer, no way to stop aging, no warp drive, no free energy, no really good battery. And social progress? Back to the Cold War, back to riots in cities, "snowflake" petulance, back to black slavery thru incarceration.......
We're stuck. Often, when you're stuck, you may drift backwards and that's what I sense......
We've made progress, it's just that the little people have no access.
Dick Cheney is a good example. The man should have been dead a few times over. Finally, he ends up on some kind of portable heart pump. I'd never heard of such a thing before. He survives on it long enough to receive a donor heart.
Who else do you know or have heard of has had access to the pump Cheney used?
Little people don't have access to that technology. One example of many.
Quote from: Pimander on October 16, 2016, 02:10:37 AM
Aaah, so if you have read and believe Teleportation Physics Study (https://www.fas.org/sgp/eprint/teleport.pdf) then you must accept that the distances you quoted in another thread should NOT be an issue in the search for intelligent "alien" life.
Well sure but I do have one problem with that report... the involvement of Hal Puthoff in writing it :P
QuoteDevil's advocate or what?
Definitely 'what'
QuoteYou know I'm not an idiot by now surely? :P ::)
Ummmm do I know that?
::)
I have been working for years trying to put together something about the D'Jinn as being behind it all.
Let me do a short synapsis....
The D'Jinn of old were litterally all powerful and could do anything... eventually this power corrupted them. If you look at the Qur'an you will find that they were locked up with a sealed gate at each end.
Lets for a minute suppose that these All Powerful genies were indeed locked behind these gates. Let's suppose for a minute that these gates are in fact 'stargates' or interdimensional portals.
So... here is the question... SOME power forced these D'jinn into the gates and sealled them. According to what I can find it was NOT God (in this case the god of Islam) So my problem is WHO did this?
The story as I have found it so far is that the D'Jinn were locked away and mankind was given a chance... again by WHOM? These locked away old D'Jinn hate mankind and want to get back to their original glory. However the new born D'Jinn do not have this hatred of Mankind and sometimes reach out (channelling) through the portals. They become Guardian Angels to some... I suppose some of the older ones could easily be the Tricksters.
Now if this is indeed true then it explains a great many things. Hal Purthoff et al of the Aviary, Stanford Research Institute crew that included Edgar Mitchell, Russel Targ, Ingo Swan, Col John Alexander and a host of others (even Robert Bigelow).... those names crop up EVERYTIME and in every subject we look at. The connections are all there. They had that Skinwalker Ranch portal that they locked up and won't release what they found.
As to WHO locked away the D'Jinn... Hollywood in several tales calls them 'The Ancients' We never see what these Ancients look like but they are always there. Stargate SG! has them, Babylon 5 had them. They are older than even the old races.. in these stories. Sure it is Hollywood, but these same Ancients appear in our religious texts and mythologies
So when a psychic or seer channels an Alien from Ashtar Command perhaps they are actually picking up a D'Jinn... And since they would do anything to get back released who knows what these "tricksters" might say? Our childhood fantasies hold these Genies... we all know they have omipotent power but are locked away (yes in a lamp sometimes :P the source of illumination? Hmmmm )
(http://prosperityhappens.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/big_genie.jpg)
So are these genies Aliens? or merely an older race that was here before us. Whatever the case they are entrenched in all our history
Quote from: zorgon on October 16, 2016, 08:01:11 AM
The D'Jinn of old were litterally all powerful and could do anything... eventually this power corrupted them. If you look at the Qur'an you will find that they were locked up with a sealed gate at each end.
Lets for a minute suppose that these All Powerful genies were indeed locked behind these gates. Let's suppose for a minute that these gates are in fact 'stargates' or interdimensional portals.
I think of them as the Titans. I won't go into specifics as to how I know, but as far as I am concerned, they are quite real.
According to Greek mythology, they were intensely powerful, and equally chaotic, and their behaviour was intolerable, so Zeus, the leader of the Olympian pantheon, locked them up somehow. There was one that he did not lock up, however; Hekate. He did not imprison her both because she was too powerful, but also because unlike the others, she was actually good. In order to save face with the other Gods, however, he claimed that he had simply chosen not to lock her up out of grace, rather than admit that she was stronger than he was so he couldn't do it.
QuoteThese locked away old D'Jinn hate mankind and want to get back to their original glory.
There's always two groups; the old and the new. The old are always depicted as chaotic, immensely powerful, but largely mindless. Norse mythology has them as well; but I don't know who is credited with locking them up in that case. Judaism has a similar story, but it's not exactly the same. Yahweh was supposed to have sealed up all of the spirits who actually served as Gods to the surrounding Middle Eastern civilisations, into what was called the Brazen Vessel; and then when King Solomon earned his favour, Yahweh gave him the ability to control them. He used them to amass great wealth and build his temple and other buildings etc.
QuoteHowever the new born D'Jinn do not have this hatred of Mankind and sometimes reach out (channelling) through the portals.
Lots of beings are channelled. Channelling is the default means of communication for all of them. The only real difference between the shamanic and the New Age form is that in the latter, spirits have to be polite, which means that they typically don't take over your body completely. In the old school form, you get possessed in Linda Blair's sense of the word.
QuoteAs to WHO locked away the D'Jinn... Hollywood in several tales calls them 'The Ancients' We never see what these Ancients look like but they are always there. Stargate SG! has them, Babylon 5 had them. They are older than even the old races.. in these stories. Sure it is Hollywood, but these same Ancients appear in our religious texts and mythologies
For the Hegelian dialectic to work, you have to have two seperate versions of things; because you have to rely on the fact that not everyone is going to like the same version. The Chokmah/Mercy/Socialist version of history is Darwinism; single linear human evolution. The Geburah/Severity/Fascist version is essentially Darwinism in reverse. It's the idea that there was a Beforetime or Golden Age, long ago, when there was supposedly a Utopian society with magical technology, where the Gods walked among men, and everyone was happy; but that ever since then, humanity has been on a course of degeneration down to our present state.
So the Left end up worshipping technology, while the Right end up wanting nothing to do with it. I admit, that given my own antiquarian tendencies, I ended up falling for the latter for a while; and I am still rather partial to it. I think both are probably lies, however; or at least severely distorted.
Quote from: Irene on October 16, 2016, 03:53:43 AM
Who else do you know or have heard of has had access to the pump Cheney used?
The fact that you don't know about it doesn't mean it's not relatively common, those devices have been used since the 1990s.
Quote from: zorgon on October 16, 2016, 08:01:11 AM
The D'Jinn of old were litterally all powerful and could do anything... eventually this power corrupted them. If you look at the Qur'an you will find that they were locked up with a sealed gate at each end.
I don't remember that part. Where does it say that?
Quote from: ArMaP on October 16, 2016, 12:48:21 PM
The fact that you don't know about it doesn't mean it's not relatively common, those devices have been used since the 1990s.
Yes, and those devices were killing patients left and right by stroke. Cheney's device was advanced, extremely portable and "strokeless".
It kept him alive, but he didn't thrive, having lost a great deal of weight while on it.
I don't know what channeling provides proof of - I have never observed any example of it that was anything but rambling bullsh*t - lacking any objective value. Seth Speaks is an interesting read but how about some free energy, Seth? Or maybe a cure for cancer? Or do you have a ready-made excuse for lacking that?
As for the Elite, you can bet that they jump the line on organ transplants. And get tickets to pedophile island. Everything is being exposed as corrupt, but what does it matter? Nothing seems to change and Americans are too sick and lazy to actually take up arms. Is the best we can hope for a sort of creative rot? Decay with benefits?
This just in ! There's another ET email.
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/12127
The Vatican has the hots for Aliens. Catholic types leading the charge.
Quote from: zorgon on October 16, 2016, 07:38:47 AM
Ummmm do I know that?
::)
Not if you're an idiot no! ::) :P
Petrus4,QuoteLots of beings are channelled. Channelling is the default means of communication for all of them. The only real difference between the shamanic and the New Age form is that in the latter, spirits have to be polite, which means that they typically don't take over your body completely. In the old school form, you get possessed in Linda Blair's sense of the word.
I have a very close friend who agrees with this, particularly what I've highlighted. She experienced this while "fighting" with five LEOs. She respects the police and would never fight with them, but she swears that during her struggle with them that her leg stuck itself out against her will to try and trip one of the officers. She said she was so stunned by this involuntary action that she went limp with fear.
She was later diagnosed with psychosis. She'd never been in trouble with the police and had no contact with them after this incident.
She continues to be very disturbed by this action because she cannot explain how it happened. She did not will it, did not do it, and would not do it, yet it happened.
Quote from: ArMaP on October 16, 2016, 12:59:01 PM
I don't remember that part. Where does it say that?
Sura 18 the story of Gog and magog. Since they were giants Pets-R-Us may be right about the Zeus/Titan version too :P
Then followed he (another) way.
Until, when he reached (a tract) between two mountains. He found, beneath them, a people who scarcely understood a word.
They said: "O Zul-Qarnain! The Gog and Magog (people) do great mischief on earth: Shall we then render thee tribute in order that thou mightiest erect a barrier between us and them.
He said: "(The power) in which My Lord has established me is better (than tribute):
Help me therefore with strength (and labour): I will erect a strong barrier between you and them:
Bring me blocks of iron. At length when he had filled up the space between the two steep mountain-sides, he said, "Blow (with your bellows)". Then when he had made it (red) as fire, he said: "Bring me, that I may pour over it molten lead."
Thus were they made powerless to scale it or to dig through it.
He said this is a mercy from my Lord. But when the promise of my Lord comes to pass He will make it into dust. And the promise of my Lord is true. (Q. 18:92-98, Yusuf Ali's translation)
EXCERPT:
After some time journeying, Sallaam came to a "lofty mountain on which was a fortress. And the rampart which Dhu'l-Qarnain built is in a broad opening between two mountains, the breadth of which is two hundred cubits [300ft or 100m]. That was the road through which they (Gog & Magog) issued and spread over the earth. And he dug the foundation of it to the depth of 30 cubits, and built it of iron and copper until it reached to the surface of the ground. Then he raised two side pillars near to the mountains on both sides of the opening 25 cubits broad, and 50 cubits high, which projected at the base to ten cubits beyond the gate. The while was built with iron bricks, covered with copper, each a cubit and a half by a cubit and a half, and four finger breadth high. There was an iron lintel 120 cubits long and 5 cubits broad, which rested on each end on the pillars, projecting 10 cubits beyond them. Above the lentel was a structure of iron covered with copper to the top of the mountains. The height of the structure extending as far as the eye could reach, about 60 cubits above the lentels. Above it were iron pinnacles, each having as the side, two horns bent towards each other. The length of each pinnacle was five cubits and the breadth four. There were 37 pinnacles upon the structure. Then the gate had two doors which lowered, each 50 cubits broad by 75 cubits high, and 5 cubits thick. The upright of the doors turned on pivots upon a level with the lintels, and no air could penetrate either by the gate, or from the mountains. The whole being built as in one piece. On the gate was a bolt 7 cubits long and a fathom round which two men could not draw. The height of the bolt from the ground was 25 cubits. Five cubits above the bolt was a lock longer than the bolt, the two staples of which were each 2 cubits long. To the lock a key was hung a cubit and a half long with 12 wards, each ward like the pestle of a mortar. The key was 4 spans round and was suspended from a chain 8 cubits long and 4 spans round which was riveted to the gate. The ring to which the chain was attached was like the ring of a ballista. The threshold of the gate was 10 cubits broad, with a length of 100 cubits, excluding the space under the two pillars, the visible part of which was 5 cubits. ... In one of the two fortresses, were the builders implements, with which the rampart had been built, consisting of iron cauldrons, and iron ladles. On each trivet, 4 cauldrons like those in which soap is boiled (could be placed).
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/42stargate/03files/Muslim_Connection.html
There are stories that I need to re find about Alexander the Great having found the gates... I have to start looking again
Quote from: Eighthman on October 16, 2016, 04:58:10 PM
This just in ! There's another ET email.
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/12127
The Vatican has the hots for Aliens. Catholic types leading the charge.
Just read that email... Looks BOGUS to me.... It is written by one Terri Donovan Mansfield
On behalf of: Edgar D. Mitchell, ScD Chief Science Officer & Founder, Quantrek Apollo 14 astronaut 6th man to walk on the Moon
Edgar passed away... so this is an old email. Besides the story about the Vatican Observatory in Arizona and talk of Aliens from the Vatican is OLD NEWS we already covered here years ago.
I am going to call FOUL on this one. This is a BOGUS email. Thing about emails is you can write anything you want, and say it came from anywhere you want it to be from... and NO ONE can vet it. Since Edgar is dead, he cannot refute it.
I have Edgars personal email addy... but this email is not from him
Don't be so eager to BELIEVE :P Its all BS to get those Killary votes. Podesta WORKS FOR HILLARY simple as that Don't fall for it
Vatican Official Declares Extraterrestrial Contact Is Real
2005http://www.thelivingmoon.com/49ufo_files/03files2/Monsignor_Corrado%20_Balducci.html
Vatican Ponders Baptism of Extraterrestrials
The Vatican Observatory
Many Saints Believed in Extraterrestrial Life: Vatican Monsignor Corrado Balducci
All here on one of the early pages on Livingmoon :P
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/49ufo_files/03files2/Monsignor_Corrado%20_Balducci.html
Quote from: Eighthman on October 16, 2016, 04:31:01 PM
I don't know what channeling provides proof of - I have never observed any example of it that was anything but rambling bullsh*t - lacking any objective value. Seth Speaks is an interesting read but how about some free energy, Seth? Or maybe a cure for cancer? Or do you have a ready-made excuse for lacking that?
There is no example that I know of of new technology or something especially useful coming from channelled sources. Some nice hippy-dippy material that is like New Age self help books (which I admit I enjoyed in the 90s) but nothing else.
Channelling is proof of nothing. If you believe in remote influencing or telepathy then how the hell do you know what or who - if anything- that you are channelling. It could be a human, your unconscious or any devilish source of consciousness. Channelling is passive psychism at best and delusional fetishism at worst. If you believe in an akashic record then all knowledge should be available without submitting to the influence of other beings consciousness....
Control your mind or somebody else will!
Quote from: zorgon on October 16, 2016, 09:11:18 PM
Don't be so eager to BELIEVE :P Its all BS to get those Killary votes. Podesta WORKS FOR HILLARY simple as that Don't fall for it
The wikileaks are cleared by Russia and they want Trump in office. You're confused mate. :P
Quote from: Irene on October 16, 2016, 02:40:42 PM
It kept him alive, but he didn't thrive, having lost a great deal of weight while on it.
Or maybe he lost a great deal of weight to be able to be kept alive. :)
As someone that lost 30 Kg I can tell that losing the extra weight can make a huge difference in someone's health, specially to the hearth and, in my case, the lungs, as not having to carry all that weight made my asthma almost disappear.
Quote from: Eighthman on October 16, 2016, 04:58:10 PM
The Vatican has the hots for Aliens. Catholic types leading the charge.
Does the Vatican use the terribillionairs@aol.com email address? ;)
Quote from: zorgon on October 16, 2016, 08:56:03 PM
Sura 18 the story of Gog and magog.
Thanks. :)
That's why I didn't remember it, as it was Gog and Magog, not the Jinn. :)
Quote from: ArMaP on October 16, 2016, 10:10:26 PM
Or maybe he lost a great deal of weight to be able to be kept alive. :)
As someone that lost 30 Kg I can tell that losing the extra weight can make a huge difference in someone's health, specially to the hearth and, in my case, the lungs, as not having to carry all that weight made my asthma almost disappear.
He was a skeleton. He was not well.
Quote from: zorgon on October 16, 2016, 09:11:18 PM
Thing about emails is you can write anything you want, and say it came from anywhere you want it to be from... and NO ONE can vet it.
But the email header has the whole route the email followed, so even if the sender is fake (I once sent an email as if it was from b.obama@whitehouse.gov) the server used to send the email will give you some clues about its source.
Have we discussed Juncker's wacky ET comment? ET's are worried about Brexit.
https://www.reddit.com/r/aliens/comments/4r42vb/leaders_of_other_planets_are_worried_confused_eu/
I doubt that the Podesta/UFO thing is just a vote getter. It seems that he has a genuine interest in the subject. Hillary probably lusts after making the Big Time Announcement while being President. Guys, I gotta wonder if the political elite know something --- and this is what is driving their evident desperation and urgency.
The deal with the Vatican interests me because I gotta ask, "you guys can collect money with your funny hats and robes for years to come, so what's the deal?" Do they know something big is gonna happen soon and are trying to get ahead of it? The idea of converting Aliens and them being our godly brothers is ludicrous but what can they do? You can only do so much 'spin' , if they show up openly.
Quote from: Eighthman on October 17, 2016, 02:01:10 AM
Have we discussed Juncker's wacky ET comment? ET's are worried about Brexit.
I have to admit that is funy.
The whole Brexit is so scary is over the top. Britain will still trade with the EU (France export a lot of food and wine to the UK and Germany Sell VW, Mercedes, Skodas etc so they have to do a deal) but will be free to do its own trade deals with China, USA etc. It will be a temporary economic problem but that is all.
QuoteI doubt that the Podesta/UFO thing is just a vote getter. It seems that he has a genuine interest in the subject.
I agree. Podesta has been interested fora long time and it was him that pushed for this. I think the leaks are because Russia want them to appear less credible by focusing on this....
Quoteand this is what is driving their evident desperation and urgency.
What are the elite desperate about? When you say elite do you mean billionaires like Trump?
Quote from: Pimander on October 16, 2016, 09:48:47 PM
The wikileaks are cleared by Russia and they want Trump in office. You're confused mate. :P
Well yeah Putin and Trump are good buddies :D Win win for everyone :P
Maybe Russia can provide Security for Trump :P If I was him I wouldn't trust the Secret Service right now
Quote from: ArMaP on October 17, 2016, 12:11:34 AM
But the email header has the whole route the email followed,
True...so do we have the original header on wikileek emails?
Quote from: Pimander on October 17, 2016, 08:42:56 AM
What are the elite desperate about? When you say elite do you mean billionaires like Trump?
The Elite are desperate to keep their cushy positions :P If Trump gets in he will fire the lot of em
Trump has not touched the UFO issue at all That alone will get him my vote :P
yes Podesta has a long vested interest in UFO's But neither he nor anyone of the carreer politcians have ANY clue as to what is going on in that field. Just look at them fighting over stupid stuff. Does ANYONE honestly believe that those clowns are in charge of issues like ET? Seriously?
Truman, Eisenhower, Reagan and George Bush senior, in my opinion, are the only four presidents that were ever in the loop on the ET issue... Truman because he was there on day one :P Eisenhower because of the 1950's visitations from 'Venus'.. Reagan with the Star Wars program... and Bush Sr because he was head of the CIA that read in a new president and he told Carter that a presidents curiosity was NOT a need to know :P
Other than that the rest are just leeches on society, and have been in there far too long.
Quote from: zorgon on October 17, 2016, 09:15:52 AM
If Trump gets in he will fire the lot of em
Why does anyone still believe in electoral promises? What means does anyone have, of compelling a politician to keep said promises?
Quote from: zorgon on October 17, 2016, 09:04:31 AM
Well yeah Putin and Trump are good buddies :D Win win for everyone :P
Maybe Russia can provide Security for Trump :P If I was him I wouldn't trust the Secret Service right now
I'd have gone for Bernie Sanders. Trump is a bit divisive and Hilary is more of the same....
Quote from: zorgon on October 17, 2016, 09:15:52 AM
The Elite are desperate to keep their cushy positions :P If Trump gets in he will fire the lot of em
Trump is part of the elite. He is a billionaire FFS. ::)
Quote from: petrus4 on October 17, 2016, 09:36:14 AM
Why does anyone still believe in electoral promises? What means does anyone have, of compelling a politician to keep said promises?
Trump might want to sack people. But he may find out how hard it is for a President to actually make real changes. I'd love to see someone come in and sack loads of them. I'd love him to change the banking and tax system. I'm not sure he will be "allowed" to do that. Think Kennedy. Even Obama has been stopped in his tracks and never got to make changes he wanted to.
Quote from: Pimander on October 17, 2016, 10:36:28 AM
I'd have gone for Bernie Sanders. Trump is a bit divisive and Hilary is more of the same....
Bernie found out real quick that votes don't count :P But he should have switched to trump's camp instead of backing Killary
::)
QuoteTrump is part of the elite. He is a billionaire FFS. ::)
So what? Not all rich people are evil :P The main difference is he is not a career politcian, but a succesful businessman with a proven track record.
We keep screaming for change and yet when it is presented we still squack
The American Dream is to get rich and live independently... but when someone does that all of a sudden they become the elite and must be vilified. You can't win :P
QuoteTrump might want to sack people. But he may find out how hard it is for a President to actually make real changes. I'd love to see someone come in and sack loads of them. I'd love him to change the banking and tax system. I'm not sure he will be "allowed" to do that. Think Kennedy. Even Obama has been stopped in his tracks and never got to make changes he wanted to.
I agree. he may not have any real power... on the otherhand if that is true, why does his own party fear him? Perhaps he will have the power to replace certain people :D
Point is we are down to two choices. #1 is vote the same old same old KNOWN crooks and then spend the next four years bitching about it... or #2 give the unknown a chance. If you think you vote doesn't count, then don't vote :P BUT if you don't vote, you give up your rights to BITCH afterwards
In my opinion if Killary does get in, then we know the fix is permanent and NOTHING we do short of a revolution will fix it. And Americans, despite them stocking up on guns, are currently to WUSSY and APATHETIC to do anything about it.
Bernie kept winning but it didn't matter. The news reports Killary on top, yet I see not ONE Hillary sign in my area nor have I heard one person in support of her. So we know the news is reporting falsely (DOH!)
California however is to be feared. :P They are just too stupid to be allowed to vote (mostly :P Some exceptions exist :P )
It was nice though, a week long event and not ONE mention of any politician...
Quote from: zorgon on October 17, 2016, 09:06:27 AM
True...so do we have the original header on wikileek emails?
We do. In the case of this message, as it's longer than the limit, the site doesn't show it, but we can download the email message and see for ourselves.
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Quote from: Pimander on October 17, 2016, 10:36:28 AM
Trump might want to sack people. But he may find out how hard it is for a President to actually make real changes.
In cases like this I always remember the British sitcom "Yes, Minister", in which a minister is always coming up with new ideas but his secretary and the other minister's secretaries always find ways to keep things as they were, because, as civil servants, they are always there while ministers change, so they try to keep their work at a minimum and their advantages at a maximum.
Quote from: zorgon on October 17, 2016, 06:38:33 PM
I agree. he may not have any real power... on the otherhand if that is true, why does his own party fear him? Perhaps he will have the power to replace certain people :D
I think that the US is at a point in which who is chosen doesn't matter, so they make experiments. With Obama they tried to see if people would elect a black president, now they are trying to see if people elects a woman or a businessman, both with skeletons in their closets.
Unfortunately, the whole world suffers with the consequences of this situation.
Quote from: zorgon on October 17, 2016, 06:38:33 PM
Bernie found out real quick that votes don't count :P But he should have switched to trump's camp instead of backing Killary
Bernie is a democratic socialist so he hates big business.
QuoteSo what? Not all rich people are evil :P The main difference is he is not a career politcian, but a succesful businessman with a proven track record.
Yes, not all wealthy people are evil, but big businesses and corporations (along with the banking system) are precisely what is fuc4ing up the planet. Surely even a Trump supporter can see that?
QuoteWe keep screaming for change and yet when it is presented we still squack
You should have got behind Bernie then. He was going for the banks and big business interests (and the super rich).
QuoteThe American Dream is to get rich and live independently... but when someone does that all of a sudden they become the elite and must be vilified. You can't win :P
Why do you think most of the people on the planet are so pissed off with America. the American dream is what is fuc4ing up this planet.
The principles on which America were founded were AMAZING. What has become of USA is sad, pathetic and a shame on humanity. We can't just go on consuming and consuming regardless of the impact on other humans and the planet. It is insane.
I don't hear anything coming from Trump that will sort these things out. He is proud of not paying his fare share to society (through tax). He comes from a nation of immigrants and blames immigrants for the problems of America. If Trump was the solution I'd support him every inch of the way but what is he going to do to address the problems above and when will he come to terms with the fact that all humans should be treated with respect (even decent Muslims and Latinos)?
QuotePoint is we are down to two choices. #1 is vote the same old same old KNOWN crooks and then spend the next four years bitching about it... or #2 give the unknown a chance. If you think you vote doesn't count, then don't vote :P BUT if you don't vote, you give up your rights to BITCH afterwards
That is the only choice is it? And if people in their millions stopped supporting both of them could they be in office?
There are even other candidates that you all forget about.... Could the entire population of America not manage to put forward a single better candidate than a divisive establishment politician and a misogynistic, xenophobic, billionaire businessman who thinks it is a good thing that he avoids paying tax? Really? Then you get what you deserve. Unfortunately it affects the rest of the world and there isn't a lot we can do about it.
QuoteIn my opinion if Killary does get in, then we know the fix is permanent and NOTHING we do short of a revolution will fix it. And Americans, despite them stocking up on guns, are currently to WUSSY and APATHETIC to do anything about it.
Or you could start to organise a campaign to run a good candidate for office NOT in one of the big two parties. Use your brains and the constitution you all claim is so great to your advantage. That is the whole point of democracy.
QuoteIt was nice though, a week long event and not ONE mention of any politician...
I don't have that luxury. :)
ETA: Trump talks about it being rigged. It is. Unfortunately there seems to be no chance for anyone outside the two parties. The trouble is that means we have a choice between two of the most hated people in America. If it wasn't rigged Trump would not be in with a chance!
Quote from: Pimander on October 17, 2016, 10:49:08 PM
There are even other candidates that you all forget about.... Could the entire population of America not manage to put forward a single better candidate than a divisive establishment politician and a misogynistic, xenophobic, billionaire businessman who thinks it is a good thing that he avoids paying tax?
The problem with the system in the US is that even if people vote in a candidate from a different party or independent there's no guarantee that that candidate will be president, as the electors can really vote in whoever they want.
Another problem, and one that can appear in this year's elections, is that many times the electors are chose before the party candidate is chose, so it's possible that some electors are against their party's candidate and, if elected, prefer not to vote in him/her.
Also, from a conspiracy theory point of view, the fact that there are several days between the choosing of the electors (not known by most of the voters) and the time the electors vote, allowing for some "pressure" to be applied to some of them to "shift" the results, if needed. :)
It's a stupid system, far from democratic.
Quote from: ArMaP on October 17, 2016, 11:53:46 PM
It's a stupid system, far from democratic.
I agree. However, if Americans had enough sense they could change the system... It is NOT impossible.
Quote from: Pimander on October 18, 2016, 12:17:01 AM
I agree. However, if Americans had enough sense they could change the system... It is NOT impossible.
True, it's not impossible, but they would have to change their dear constitution, something they appear to do only by religious motives, like forbidding alcoholic drinks. :)
Quote from: ArMaP on October 17, 2016, 09:29:58 PM
I think that the US is at a point in which who is chosen doesn't matter, so they make experiments. With Obama they tried to see if people would elect a black president, now they are trying to see if people elects a woman or a businessman, both with skeletons in their closets.
Unfortunately, the whole world suffers with the consequences of this situation.
You have accidentally said something I agree with. :P
It seems that no one, not one pundit, talks about what sort of things will occur after the election.
There are severe budget problems and a surging deficit. Guns and butter can't be afforded. The CBO says in 7 years there will no tax money for anything beyond debt payments and entitlements - faster if we fall into recession (likely).
Hillary will be inaugurated in fragile health with the worst credibility of any elected President I'm familiar with. We'll have the greatest problems coupled with the least political ability to change.
This is a recipe for disaster. Not civil war, just potential civil breakdown.
Quote from: Pimander on October 17, 2016, 10:49:08 PM
Or you could start to organise a campaign to run a good candidate for office NOT in one of the big two parties. Use your brains and the constitution you all claim is so great to your advantage. That is the whole point of democracy.
Pimander, there are many, many people within American politics currently, who quite simply do not care how many people they need to kill, in order to maintain their position. Given that type of ethical and psychological environment, coherent democracy is not only impossible, but truthfully a working political system of literally any other kind is impossible as well.
This is, truthfully, the main source of my current optimism about said government's eventual collapse. Any organisation that is composed of people who are as relentlessly psychopathic as this group, can not by definition exist for long periods of time, because there is no stable form; it is nearing a condition of complete entropy, in which nothing can survive. I have seen the words of members of CTR and people working for the Clinton Foundation on 4chan. They are people who do not care about anything other than money and power, and they care about those two things to the complete exclusion of both their own survival, and anyone else's.
So it can not last. Either way, it can not last. Either Wikileaks succeeds in motivating the people to throw Hillary and virtually the entirety of the rest of the government into cages for the rest of their lives as they deserve, or (more likely) Hillary wins the election, takes the country to nuclear Armageddon with Russia, and both sides are destroyed as a result...but whichever way it goes, the point is that the current situation will not be permanent.
The ancient Chinese were aware of a condition which they called, "the point of return." This was a scenario where one of the two polarities, either Yin or Yang, had been taken to such an extreme, that a violent reversal of polarity was inevitable. In the case of individuals who were so polarised, one of two things could happen. Either the person or group could voluntarily move back into balance themselves, or the polarity reversal would be effected by means of their death. The ultimate result, however, was the same.
At this stage, the question is not whether Pax Americana is over. The real question now, is how many other people are potentially going to be taken with it, when the explosions really begin. As Armap said, American imperialism has now become almost exclusively a source of international misery and suffering. The American government has long since ceased to be a force for
solving problems, and is now almost exclusively a force for
creating problems.
Quote from: petrus4 on October 18, 2016, 09:07:51 AM
Pimander, there are many, many people within American politics currently, who quite simply do not care how many people they need to kill, in order to maintain their position. Given that type of ethical and psychological environment, coherent democracy is not only impossible, but truthfully a working political system of literally any other kind is impossible as well.
I don't see the evidence for that. I see very little evidence of anyone with a coherent plan trying to change things.
Quote from: ArMaP on October 18, 2016, 01:03:32 AM
True, it's not impossible, but they would have to change their dear constitution, something they appear to do only by religious motives, like forbidding alcoholic drinks. :)
Changing how the Democrats elect their nominee for President would change everything. You would have Bernie Sanders v Trump now. Polls suggested Sanders would have won comfortably if that was the current choice.
Quote from: Pimander on October 17, 2016, 10:49:08 PM
Bernie is a democratic socialist so he hates big business.
True all those 'free' programs he was going to do and gouge the tax payers :P
QuoteYes, not all wealthy people are evil, but big businesses and corporations (along with the banking system) are precisely what is fuc4ing up the planet. Surely even a Trump supporter can see that?
yes I agree Greedy corporations like halibuton are the root of all planetary evil... but the big corporation set up by Pierre Omidyar (Ebay) is my life blood :P So you cannot just look at it in one lump...
Solution? I have no idea at this point... Maybe we do need Aliens to sort us out :P
A complete economic colapse could be the answer. It will be tough for a while but we would come out of it ahead.
QuoteYou should have got behind Bernie then. He was going for the banks and big business interests (and the super rich).
Why do you think most of the people on the planet are so pissed off with America. the American dream is what is fuc4ing up this planet.
Oddly enough I was liberal all my life until obama :P Bernie made some good noises, but he is too old and too socialist. Ron paul had my support, but he found out he can't buck the system anyway
As for the dream.. well I am close to it :P I have my house and not doing too bad overall. Not independent yet but maybe after i sell off my rocks I will be okay. Only thing is it is a little harder to sell rocks during a recession. Odd but people seem to prefer buying food :P
Still though, those crazy Brits will buy Kardashian Lollipops at 14.00 a pop and pay $20,00 shipping :P
Want one?
(http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/v7gAAOSwT6pV0S6B/s-l1600.jpg)
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sugar-Factory-Couture-Lollipop-Las-Vegas-Green-Apple-Dice-Fob-/122160025712
Podesta email talks about RAND and Battelle
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/15052
May dovetail with William Tompkins revelations about work on secret space craft.
Big business is inherently evil and opposed to representative government. Create a big economic entity and you automatically have compromised democratic governance. We should have strict enforcement of anti-trust legislation. Bernie was OK with small business as mayor.
Quote from: Pimander on October 17, 2016, 10:49:08 PM
The principles on which America were founded were AMAZING.
Yes set up by Rosicrucians and Freemasons who now are vilified by "we the people" We were sold back to the banks by Woodrow Wilson in 1914 and every president who tried to fix that was assasinated :P
QuoteI don't hear anything coming from Trump that will sort these things out. He is proud of not paying his fare share to society (through tax). He comes from a nation of immigrants and blames immigrants for the problems of America. If Trump was the solution I'd support him every inch of the way but what is he going to do to address the problems above and when will he come to terms with the fact that all humans should be treated with respect (even decent Muslims and Latinos)?
Well all the other politicians make all sorts of promises what they are going to do... then NEVER do any of it :P So maybe trump is smarter. make no promises wait till he gets in and show what he can do by action not words. Any true succesful business person will tell you the key to success is DO IT then talk about it after it is accomplished, not talk about what your gonna do that never happens.
QuoteThat is the only choice is it? And if people in their millions stopped supporting both of them could they be in office?
yes under the current system that is our only choice. If millions of people stopped supporting them they still only need ONE vote to win. So if all Americans didn't go to the poles they still have their own vote and family votes. All you need is THREE voters and one of them will win.
Short of major revolution or a coup, there is no solution in the current scheme of things
QuoteThere are even other candidates that you all forget about....
No there are not At this point we only have A or B The parties get to pick who A or B will be... nothing we do will effect that
QuoteCould the entire population of America not manage to put forward a single better candidate than a divisive establishment politician and a misogynistic, xenophobic, billionaire businessman who thinks it is a good thing that he avoids paying tax? Really? Then you get what you deserve. Unfortunately it affects the rest of the world and there isn't a lot we can do about it.
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Fvck the rest of the world :P Income tax is illegal anyway and the IRS is a PRIVATE company, the collection arm of the Federal Reserve, a private Rothschild corporation that owns the USA and Britain :P
You also forget that just because a business avoids paying taxes, they really don't... it just pays out in a different way. I can go into details of how that works but not here.
The same system works for the average American too IF you know the rules of the game. I myself have used it. One small example As a teamster I am basically a subcontractor so all my tools are a tax write off So are any meals I buy at work. 100% if for more than one person, 80% if just for yourself. There are so many tools the rich use that ANYONE can use to make their own situation better... but I find few people will even listen let alone try it... but they are quick to bitch about not enough money and how the rich get away with murder :P
And you really think the few measly doolars they collect from approx 120 million tax payers (2013 census) funds this country? Do the Math They 'misplace' annually in the pentagon budget severel TRILLION dollars. The fed misplaced 9 TRILLION dollars in fidcal year 2009 alone That is 35.000 for every man woman and child in the USA... Do the math :P
QuoteOr you could start to organise a campaign to run a good candidate for office NOT in one of the big two parties. Use your brains and the constitution you all claim is so great to your advantage. That is the whole point of democracy.
I don't have that luxury. :)
That is what Ron paul did.... but the other parties changed the rules so he had no chance to win. There is a youtube video here somewher explaining how that happened and how that would effect Bernie's chances as well. Seems they were right :P
QuoteETA: Trump talks about it being rigged. It is. Unfortunately there seems to be no chance for anyone outside the two parties. The trouble is that means we have a choice between two of the most hated people in America. If it wasn't rigged Trump would not be in with a chance!
On what do you base your info that Trump is hated? A black sheriff heard the rhetoric how trump is any blacks so he went to a Rally to see for himself... his youtube video says he was treated with respect and there was NO RACISM in the Trump camp. that the only trouble came form the paid protestors that were outside the auditorium.
The media is quick to show trump in a bad light... they edit his words to make it sound worse... try actually listining to him... try actually talking to him (yeah I know :P your in Nottingham :P )
The only ones that hate him are the paid protestors :P and those on welfare that arre afraid they will have to find a job when he cuts food stamps :P But actually he never said he would cut them just that he would make sure that jobs could be there to replace them
Think about it the government needs all kinds of work done... so why not farm it out to able bodied people collecting dole? I see nothing wrong with that :P
I'd say at least 50%of Americans can't stand Trump. That is not likely to unite the country. Hilary is hated by a similar number. You'll see when you get the election result. Trump is going to lose.
Quote from: Pimander on October 19, 2016, 12:40:44 AM
You'll see when you get the election result. Trump is going to lose.
Well tha6t depends if they allow Hillary to count graveyard votes :P
Quote from: Pimander on October 18, 2016, 04:05:53 PM
I don't see the evidence for that. I see very little evidence of anyone with a coherent plan trying to change things.
That is exactly the point. No one
is trying to change things. All they are trying to do is amass as much money and power for themselves individually as possible.
QuoteChanging how the Democrats elect their nominee for President would change everything. You would have Bernie Sanders v Trump now. Polls suggested Sanders would have won comfortably if that was the current choice.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AynGBMUgdmg
I would encourage viewing of this film, multiple times if necessary.
The central point is that the ruling principle in America right now, is assassination. The country is a wetwork-ocracy, if there is such a thing. Go and read about the Clinton body count, if you don't already know about it. This is also the entire reason why I have never believed in the legitimacy of either Snowden or Assange; because if either of them were legitimate, they would not have lived long enough for us to find out about them. I read on /r/conspiracy about people being assassinated for various reasons all the time, and as previously mentioned, most of them are trivial compared to what those two are supposed to have done.
Any talk about democratic reform, therefore, is so utterly pointless that it hardly warrants mention. The American government is 100% within
Game of Thrones territory, at this point. We are literally back to the Borgias. The only rule that anyone within the senior levels of the government knows is that people either do what they want, or they die. This, again, is why I have also said that the collapse of the government is inevitable, because it is now anti-life by definition; but said collapse is going to be just that. There will be no reform, because anyone who attempts such reform can expect to be slaughtered before they cover 5% of the necessary ground.
The reason why changing the rules is not going to help, is because we are talking about people who do not recognise the legitimacy of rules or anything else which prevents them from getting what they want, on a literally momentary basis. We are talking about people with the mentality of psychopathic two year olds, who also happen to have access to nuclear weapons. What they want,
right now, is all that matters, and in their minds, anyone or anything that prevents them from getting that is simply to be removed.
Peaceful change, legitimate change, change within a rule-based framework; that can only happen when you are dealing with people who both care about their own survival, and who are also subject to emotional appeal. Neither of those conditions exist in the case of the American government.
Quote from: zorgon on October 19, 2016, 07:36:55 AM
Well tha6t depends if they allow Hillary to count graveyard votes :P
I think you will find Hilary doesn't count votes. The Democrats already cheated to put Bush in office. Al Gore won that Florida vote and the world knows it. I've never seen a non-democrat say otherwise who knows the facts. ::)
Voter ID checks already mean millions of Democrats don't vote because they have no decent ID. Quit whining! :P
Funny how Trump has started whining about vote counts when the votes haven't been counted yet. You would think he knows he won't win!
Alienating nigh on half the electorate (women) by being a misogynistic sexual predator and more by making ethnic minorities feel unwelcome might not be the best electoral strategy. No amount of whining about cheating when the votes haven't even been counted will change that.
In true polarized fashion, people bash Trump for being a misogynistic sexual predator, while speaking lovingly of how great Bill Clinton was, who was proven to be a misogynistic sexual predator...
Also humorous, is people from other countries, trying to expound intelligently on American politics, as if they have lived here for years, immersed in the madness.
Being in it is usually a big eye opener for those who watch it from over the pond.
Not to minimize anyones opinions, but everyone seems to be doing exactly what these megalomaniacs wish and expect..diverting away from cohesiveness, into a quagmire of divisiveness.
Critical thinking, effort at the state level, and a general exposure of the ludicrous nature of current political games, is paramount to fighting the scourge which has taken hold of the western world, and although Im no christian, I do say..god help us all, for its metaphorical impact.
Cheers
Le
Quote from: Littleenki on October 19, 2016, 04:40:53 PM
In true polarized fashion, people bash Trump for being a misogynistic sexual predator, while speaking lovingly of how great Bill Clinton was, who was proven to be a misogynistic sexual predator...
Well I don't. Just because Clinton was a predator doesn't change Trump's faults.
QuoteAlso humorous, is people from other countries, trying to expound intelligently on American politics, as if they have lived here for years, immersed in the madness.
You don't have to be American to see that Trump is an ass hole. ::)
QuoteNot to minimize anyones opinions, but everyone seems to be doing exactly what these megalomaniacs wish and expect..diverting away from cohesiveness, into a quagmire of divisiveness.
That is what I've been trying to say, both candidates for Pres are divisive idiots. Yes we could ignore that but I choose not to.
Quote from: Pimander on October 19, 2016, 05:13:55 PM
QuoteWell I don't. Just because Clinton was a predator doesn't change Trump's faults.
Thats true, he is an..see below...you are the exception however Pim...
QuoteYou don't have to be American to see that Trump is an ass hole. ::)
Again, no disagreement here...
QuoteThat is what I've been trying to say, both candidates for Pres are divisive idiots. Yes we could ignore that but I choose not to.
Both are ripe for the picking fault-wise...sadly though Clinton (IMO) has just too much baggage coming to the table, so personally she wont get my vote..
God help us again says it all....too bad we dont have a real god to do that though, maybe Ill start praying to Crom, like Conan did...
Quote from: petrus4 on October 19, 2016, 11:13:30 AM
That is exactly the point. No one is trying to change things. All they are trying to do is amass as much money and power for themselves individually as possible.
Yup exactly! NO ONE is working to change anything and most people are still dumb enough to keep on with the same system, cheering for one or the other then spending the next few years bitching about it but never admit they voted for the clown :P
Americans have become so lazy and apathetic that they just don't care... and when they do they feel they are alone and cannot do anything.
Me? I am too old to start a revolution :P And since pegasus never really became an effective entity, I don't even have that as a 'weapon'
I consider Pegasus an effective entity.
Quote from: zorgon on October 19, 2016, 08:13:17 PM
And since pegasus never really became an effective entity, I don't even have that as a 'weapon'
(http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/muppet/images/3/3d/TMS-Statler%26Waldorf-BalconyBox.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20110325180958)
I see this site's purpose as serving more or less the same role those two did. We watch the insanity pass by, and make comment; and occasionally the opinion of some of us, manages to expand the mind of someone else. Aside from that, it's also good fun. I liked those two.
So don't feel too bad, Zorgon. I think this place has served its' purpose pretty well. Sometimes it is better to be off the beaten track. Less shills, and less worry about being monitored.
"The question is, what is a mah na mah na?"
"The question is, who cares?"
Zorgon,
You may not get a lot of attention, but this is a high-quality site. There is a lot of outstanding content.
I recently PM'd a member over at {ATS} who complained about the quality of their content and referred him here to remedy that.
There has always been a lot of garbage at ATS. There used to be a lot of really interesting stuff hidden in there too though. Right now its just an American politics site with a few threads on other stuff. Considering how many members they have its quite boring there these days. I used to enjoy it.
This site has more of a family feel. Members who post regularly get (at least assume) to know each other quite well. There are pluses and minuses to that.
Plus: Cameraderie and posts are often relevant to who they are aimed at.
Con: Familiarity breeds contempt. A bit incestuous.
Both sites have talented contributors in my opinion but ATS is on the slide. ATS also lost a lot of interesting members through banning them.
Quote from: zorgon on October 19, 2016, 08:13:17 PM
Me? I am too old to start a revolution :P And since pegasus never really became an effective entity, I don't even have that as a 'weapon'
Well you did help point some of us in a better direction. You encouraged me to just ask why, when, and how. I never got all I wanted but was surprised at how much I was allowed around.
For that, a big Thank You.
LSWONE.
Quote from: zorgon on October 16, 2016, 12:38:18 AM
...The question is are they in the neighborhood and stopping by. Considering we are litarally in the middle of nowwhere on the edge of a tiny galaxy means we are not exactly on the main freeway of interstellar traffic. :P
No we do NOT need disclosure... what we need is just ONE hard case fact... one real saucer, one piece of alien metal not found on earth, one real alien... That is all we need...
You know that meme? I'm not saying it was aliens but... :D
QuoteExperts believe mysterious aluminium object dating back 250,000 years 'could be part of ancient UFO'
A piece of aluminium that looks as if it was handmade is being hailed as 250,000-year-old proof that aliens once visited Earth.
Metallic aluminium was not really produced by mankind until around 200 years ago, so the discovery of the large chunk that could be up to 250,000 years old is being held as a sensational find.
The details of the discovery were never made public at the time because it was pulled out of the earth in communist Romania in 1973.
Builders working on the shores of the Mures River not far from the central Romanian town of Aiud found three objects 10 metres (33 feet) under the ground.
QuoteMetallic aluminium was not produced by mankind until around 200 years ago - but this appears manufactured making the object a baffling find
(http://i4.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article9086262.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/PAY-Ancient-object.jpg)
It was quickly determined that the two large bones belonged to a large extinct mammal that died 10,000-80,000 years ago, but experts were stunned to find out that the third object was a piece of very lightweight metal, and appeared to have been manufactured.
According to tests, the object is made of 12 metals, 90% aluminium, and it was dated by Romanian officials as being 250,000 years old. The initial results were later confirmed by a lab in Lausanne, Switzerland.
Other experts who conducted later tests said the dates were far alter, ranging between 400 and 80,000 years old, but even at 400 years old it would still be 200 years earlier than when aluminium was first produced.
(http://i1.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article9086263.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/PAY-Ancient-object.jpg)
Full read--> http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/weird-news/experts-believe-mysterious-aluminium-object-9086060 (http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/weird-news/experts-believe-mysterious-aluminium-object-9086060)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ii-SA-eNvzI
Would that qualify as the tangible artifact you said above? Well, now you just need a ticket to Romania :P
QuoteWould that qualify as the tangible artifact you said above? Well, now you just need a ticket to Romania :P
Experts believe mysterious aluminium object dating back 250,000 years 'could be part of ancient UFO'
WHAT 'experts"
HOW was it dated?
WHERE was it tested?
WHERE was it found?
Yes that is a nice artifact and I have that one cataloged but there are very few details of origin and testing, at least there was nothing the last time I looked a few years back
WHY part of a UFO? Why not part of some Ancient technology like the Antikythera mechanism? But then maybe Aliens made that too :P
It was quickly determined that the two large bones belonged to a large extinct mammal that died 10,000-80,000 years ago, but experts were stunned to find out that the third object was a piece of very lightweight metal, and appeared to have been manufactured.
According to tests, the object is made of 12 metals, 90% aluminium, and it was dated by Romanian officials as being 250,000 years old. The initial results were later confirmed by a lab in Lausanne, Switzerland.
Other experts who conducted later tests said the dates were far alter, ranging between 400 and 80,000 years old, but even at 400 years old it would still be 200 years earlier than when aluminium was first produced.
So it 'appears' to be manufactured' Government officials (unnamed) say it was 250,000 years old. Later 'experts say it was from 400 to 80,000 years old...
Hell in otherwords they have NO IDEA how old it is and are just guessing
Also the drill hole in the two arms looks clean and polished Aluminum left under ground especially in a wet region would oxidize and deteriorate very rapidly. You would not have a clean shiny surface like on the inside bore so I suspect that hole is recent
That is the problem with all these artifacts. It is almost impossible to get a copy of the lab report. You have to take their word that the 'experts' looking at it are actually qualified researchers. In most cases that is not the fact
Like the supposed 'proven' alien DNA of the elongated skulls... If the tests were done and prove the DNA is Alien WHY can we not see the test results? WHY can they not be sent to an independent lab? Yet the fellow who made the discovery and the claim will not share those papers
The government MIGHT be covering up stuff but many Alien Researchers are worse at keeping secrets :P
Quote from: zorgon on October 21, 2016, 03:18:54 AM
Experts believe mysterious aluminium object dating back 250,000 years 'could be part of ancient UFO'
WHAT 'experts"
HOW was it dated?
WHERE was it tested?
WHERE was it found?
That don't say it because if they did people could ask the named experts and institutions if it was true, like I did some years ago with some supposed ancient artefacts found in South America or Mexico and that were presented as having been tested by some German or Swiss university lab. When I asked the lab about the supposed test they told me it was a lie and sent an email to the site telling them to remove the lie or they would be prosecuted.
Edited to add that some people say this looks like a tooth for a bucket excavator, and I think they are right.
excavator bucket teeth (https://www.google.pt/search?q="Excavator+bucket+teeth"&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjR45qJ2evPAhVMNxQKHT85BjoQsAQIQw)
Quote from: ArMaP on October 21, 2016, 09:25:25 AM
That don't say it because if they did people could ask the named experts and institutions if it was true,
Well yeah :P That is the idea :D it's called 'fact checking'
::)
QuoteEdited to add that some people say this looks like a tooth for a bucket excavator, and I think they are right.
it does look like it yes, however IF it is aluminum, I doubt many excavators use aluminum teeth. They might though I never checked yet. Maybe ArMaP will :P
::)
Well it looks like there are aluminum steel bucket teeth :P
Excavator bucket teeth, made of aluminum steel
Model Number:STE-IU3252
Min. Order:100 Pieces
FOB Price:US$ 1 - US$ 10
http://www.globalsources.com/si/AS/Ste-Superior/6008848006949/pdtl/Excavator-bucket-teeth/1079838842.htm
BTW THIS picture of the artifact does not have the shiny hole Hmmm
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-pVgFuPVEqP0/VLwWe9hL1CI/AAAAAAAAAH4/ItqGL4ahHFU/s328/Photo%25252020150118152427703.jpg)
Quote from: LSWONE on October 20, 2016, 08:03:05 PM
Well you did help point some of us in a better direction. You encouraged me to just ask why, when, and how. I never got all I wanted but was surprised at how much I was allowed around.
Well thanks for the kind words... but I think i didn't quite make myself clear....
What i mean by an effective entity was pegasus was supposed to be (still on the front page :P )
Pegasus Research Consortium
----------------------Our Mission--------------------------
We are a group dedicated to research and development of alternate energy systems and alternate propulsion systems for mankind's continued growth into the future.
---------------------What Do We Do?------------------------
Projects and project phases are ranked by feasibility of cost and proven methods. Phases are categorized by theory, engineering, and prototype construction models. Studies for the need of these emerging technologies and proposals for future funding will be included in the first phase of each project. Social, political, and economic impact studies will be completed in the second phase of each project. Marketing studies will be included in the final phases.
--------------------Why Are We Doing This?-----------------
The complexity of these projects is necessary in order to deliver a complete briefing for visiting venture capitalists, investors, firms, institutions, and their affiliates. Pegasus Research Consortium acts as a clearing house for overlooked and emerging technologies as well as a generator of emerging technologies.
-----------------------How Can I Help?---------------------
Pegasus Research Consortium's structure is currently non-profit status and is open to all serious individuals, companies, and other organizations who wish to contribute to ongoing research and development.
That was the intent when Matyas and I discussed the formation in the ATS thread :The Winged Horses and the Spaceships"
It is true we have a few good minds here but we can never seem to put anything together that survives long enough to go beyond ego wars...
I suppose that is just the nature of forums...
Pegasus has never become an official registered business entity... it's just an internet presense
Is that a little cleares?
BTW nice to see you back :D
Quote from: Pimander on October 19, 2016, 11:28:13 PM
There has always been a lot of garbage at ATS. There used to be a lot of really interesting stuff hidden in there too though. Right now its just an American politics site with a few threads on other stuff. Considering how many members they have its quite boring there these days. I used to enjoy it.
I ultiimately got banned because I was in the 9/11 forum, and I refused to tolerate the pseudoskeptical bullshit that the atheists were trying to ram down everyone else's throat about pancake theory. They tried to shame and insult me into silence, and when that didn't work, while they didn't ban me outright, I could still log in today, but I would get the message, "your posting priveleges have been revoked." I don't understand why I didn't get an outright ban, but who knows. I suspect it's probably because of the amount of quality material that I gave them before that happened.
I miss the site, and I truthfully wasn't there for anywhere near as long as I wish I could have been; but it became painfully evident to me that the people running it had completely sold out. I liked the old black layout a lot more. Now it is white, and there are social media buttons all over it.
I see the race this way.
1) there is a difference between voting for a corrupt person and voting for a corrupt class/network or complete upper government
2) neurological deficits should automatically disqualify a candidate as Commander In Chief. and the public should demand answers about this.
3) the US empire is dying. It can end thru negotiation or outright war. 3 of the 4 Presidential candidates have taken strong stands against pointless wars. The 4th has publicly threatened WW3 over computer hacking (American Legion speech).
Quote from: petrus4 on October 21, 2016, 04:03:25 PM
I don't understand why I didn't get an outright ban, but who knows.
Because they need the number (of members) tomaintain their sponsors :P
Quote from: petrus4 on October 21, 2016, 04:03:25 PM
I liked the old black layout a lot more. Now it is white,
You can change to the black layout in the top right button.
Quote from: zorgon on October 21, 2016, 11:50:54 AM
Well it looks like there are aluminum steel bucket teeth :P
Excavator bucket teeth, made of aluminum steel
Model Number:STE-IU3252
Min. Order:100 Pieces
FOB Price:US$ 1 - US$ 10
http://www.globalsources.com/si/AS/Ste-Superior/6008848006949/pdtl/Excavator-bucket-teeth/1079838842.htm
BTW THIS picture of the artifact does not have the shiny hole Hmmm
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-pVgFuPVEqP0/VLwWe9hL1CI/AAAAAAAAAH4/ItqGL4ahHFU/s328/Photo%25252020150118152427703.jpg)
Probably because that hole is where they took the sample to make the studies/test. ::)
Quote from: zorgon on October 21, 2016, 03:18:54 AM
Experts believe mysterious aluminium object dating back 250,000 years 'could be part of ancient UFO'
WHAT 'experts"
I believe Gheorghe Cohal, the Deputy Director of the Romanian Ufologists Association.
QuoteWHERE was it tested?
A:
QuoteTWO SEPARATE LABORATORIES TESTED THE ARTIFACT BUT BOTH LABORATORIES RECEIVED ALMOST IDENTICAL RESULTS. THE OBJECT WAS TESTED IN THE ARCHAEOLOGICAL INSTITUTE OF CLUJ-NAPOCA, N LAUSANNE, SWITZERLAND.
HOW was it dated?
A:
QuoteTHE DATING TECHNIQUE UTILIZED TO OBTAIN THE ARTIFACTS AGE WAS NOT RELEASED.
QuoteWHERE was it found?
A:
QuoteIT WAS DISCOVERED BY WORKERS WHILE DIGGING A TRENCH ALONG THE MURES RIVER IN ROMANIA IN 1974.
Source:http://www.ancient-code.com/15-things-you-should-know-about-the-aiud-aluminium-wedge/ (http://www.ancient-code.com/15-things-you-should-know-about-the-aiud-aluminium-wedge/)
QuoteYes that is a nice artifact and I have that one cataloged but there are very few details of origin and testing, at least there was nothing the last time I looked a few years back
It is at least very intriguing :)
Quote
WHY part of a UFO? Why not part of some Ancient technology like the Antikythera mechanism? But then maybe Aliens made that too :P
Alien or not, ancient tech or not, the point is most of our really ancient (pre?)history is unknown or supressed. There are many archaeological finds which don't get recognized because they don't fit into the official establishment record of how life on earth evolved.
While it is true that our science has some factual evidence of what happened thousands of years ago there is a good part of it that is also hypothetical. In my oppinion humankind has been at some point in history influenced or altered by ETI in some way.
It is really up to you to take the facts that are taught or provided, then do the research of your own to make your own mind because, in the end of the day, your guess is as good as the next phd professor as no one (ok maybe vatican with all those supressed books) knows it with 100% certainty.
Frankly, I've learned that scientists have their own entrenched theories and refuse to entertain new ones. Their refusal to entertain new theories and their insistence upon their juniors taking on-board their warped beliefs cripples real science.
This is particularly true in archaeology and paleontology.
Quote from: Irene on October 21, 2016, 07:28:57 PM
Frankly, I've learned that scientists have their own entrenched theories and refuse to entertain new ones. Their refusal to entertain new theories and their insistence upon their juniors taking on-board their warped beliefs cripples real science.
This is particularly true in archaeology and paleontology.
I know right? :)
But in the other hand, if they don't follow the "protocols" :-X, they know that the next thing that will be buried are their own careers. At this point, It is really a matter of survival to the people that could have the will to touch the issues, afterall they need put food on the table.
Quote from: Irene on October 21, 2016, 07:28:57 PM
Frankly, I've learned that scientists have their own entrenched theories and refuse to entertain new ones. Their refusal to entertain new theories and their insistence upon their juniors taking on-board their warped beliefs cripples real science.
very true..
Most significant new discoveries in all fields have come from new young scientists who stumble upon it almost by accident. Then they have to run the gaunlet of Peer Review to even get an article published. Look up the long list of 'experts' and 'scientists' who were adamant taht mankind could not possibly fly... until some bicycle makers proved them wrong :P
How much has been lost to this Tribunal of Peer review where they austracize the newbie?
Arthur C. Clarke's three laws, of which the third law is the best known and most widely cited:
1. When a distinguished but elderly scientist states that something is possible, he is almost certainly right. When he states that something is impossible, he is very probably wrong.
2. The only way of discovering the limits of the possible is to venture a little way past them into the impossible.
3. Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.
Quote from: RUSSO on October 21, 2016, 07:37:50 PM
I know right? :)
But in the other hand, if they don't follow the "protocols" :-X, they know that the next thing that will be buried are their own careers. At this point, It is really a matter of survival to the people that could have the will to touch the issues, afterall they need put food on the table.
Which is why I have great respect for people who take the risks to bring us new ideas even if they fly in the face of dogma.
Quote from: Irene on October 21, 2016, 07:58:47 PM
Which is why I have great respect for people who take the risks to bring us new ideas even if they fly in the face of dogma.
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Me too! :)
Quote from: zorgon on October 21, 2016, 03:18:54 AM
I believe Gheorghe Cohal, the Deputy Director of the Romanian Ufologists Association.
I WANT to believe :P (but prefer FACTS :P )
QuoteTWO SEPARATE LABORATORIES TESTED THE ARTIFACT BUT BOTH LABORATORIES RECEIVED ALMOST IDENTICAL RESULTS. THE OBJECT WAS TESTED IN THE ARCHAEOLOGICAL INSTITUTE OF CLUJ-NAPOCA, N LAUSANNE, SWITZERLAND.
Suggestion: Write the "ARCHAEOLOGICAL INSTITUTE OF CLUJ-NAPOCA, N LAUSANNE, SWITZERLAND" and request a copy of those test results..
OH WAIT!!! There is no such place in Switzerland..
The Institute of Archaeology and Art History is an academic research institution in Cluj-Napoca, Romania."The Institute of Archaeology and Art History of the Romanian Academy, established on March 3, 1990 through a government decision, together with the Institute of History "George Bari?" is continuing the traditions of scientific and research developed in 1920s by the Romanian National Historical Institute, the Romanian Institute of Classical Studies and the Romanian Art History Seminar."\
So it was created in 199o... when was this artifact found?
QuoteTHE DATING TECHNIQUE UTILIZED TO OBTAIN THE ARTIFACTS AGE WAS NOT RELEASED.
Well naturally :P because if they released that detail we could verify it.
QuoteIT WAS DISCOVERED BY WORKERS WHILE DIGGING A TRENCH ALONG THE MURES RIVER IN ROMANIA IN 1974.
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Hmmm okay not much more you can do with that.
QuoteIt is at least very intriguing :)
True... Old OOPARTS are always intriquing and most be cataloged... but far too many have logical explanations, like the spark plug and hammer in stone.
QuoteAlien or not, ancient tech or not, the point is most of our really ancient (pre?)history is unknown or supressed. There are many archaeological finds which don't get recognized because they don't fit into the official establishment record of how life on earth evolved.
true that... like the surgical steel scappel found in a 5000 year old grave :D
QuoteWhile it is true that our science has some factual evidence of what happened thousands of years ago there is a good part of it that is also hypothetical. In my oppinion humankind has been at some point in history influenced or altered by ETI in some way.
Well maybe. I used to think that when I started researching Ancient Aliens when Eric von Danekin first coined the term :P But I am no leaning towards previous civilizations that have all but been erased.
There are MILLIONS of years between the Dino's and Early man long eniough for several civilizations to have risen and declined. And most things man made deteriorate to dust after a million years. i doubt even the Pyramids would stand for a million years. So all we would find is an occasional bit or OOPART that was protected in some way... like human footprints walking with dinosaurs or a heel of a shoe print crushing a trilobite (extinct 400 million years ago)
The Tibetan stories say we are the FIFTH civilization... something that is accepted in the Rosicrucian Camp as fact
QuoteIt is really up to you to take the facts that are taught or provided, then do the research of your own to make your own mind because, in the end of the day, your guess is as good as the next phd professor as no one (ok maybe vatican with all those supressed books) knows it with 100% certainty.
There are other societies that have ancient records Sadly the Chinese burned a LOT of old Tibetan manuscripts and the Muslims burned the Library of Alexandria....
To me THE MOST IMPORTANT find in archaeology is the Antikythera mechanism. Why? Because it is a full functional model of the solar system, a computer with elaborate and precision gears, and there is NO RECORD of gear making prior to that, no earlier sample leading up to that. Alien? I do not believe so because the dippiction is of our own solar system. At best I would say it was an Atlantian or Lemurian artifact that was recovered by the Greeks but then lost at sea again waiting for us to pull it up.
All the other artifacts on that shipwreck were noraml Greek time period. But not that one item
We pay far to little attention to that one
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Artifacts/NAMA_Machine_di_Antikytera_1b.jpg)
Recreation of the device
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Artifacts/NAMA_Machine_di_Antikytera_6.jpg)
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/02files/Antikythera_Mechanism.html
Quote from: zorgon on October 21, 2016, 08:19:13 PM
I WANT to believe :P (but prefer FACTS :P )
The question was WHAT 'experts"?
According to mirror.co.uk:
QuoteGheorghe Cohal, the Deputy Director of the Romanian Ufologists Association, told local media: "Lab tests concluded it is an old UFO fragment given that the substances it comprises cannot be combined with technology available on Earth."
So i believe the expert in question was Gheorghe Cohal :)
QuoteSuggestion: Write the "ARCHAEOLOGICAL INSTITUTE OF CLUJ-NAPOCA, N LAUSANNE, SWITZERLAND" and request a copy of those test results..
OH WAIT!!! There is no such place in Switzerland..
Those are two places:
Romania institute:
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http://www.institutarheologie-istoriaarteicj.ro/
The "N" I supose its a short for "and":
LAUSANNE, SWITZERLAND
I tried to dig which lab is it but it seems there is no information. Maybe a call or a email to Gheorghe Cohal could solve the problem.
Contact: Gheorghe Cohal. Phone: 0745875252. E-mail: georgecohal@yahoo.
I found this lab in Lausanne Switzerland, maybe the one they are talking about?
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http://lmm.epfl.ch/
QuoteSo it was created in 199o... when was this artifact found?
It was found in 1974. But what it has to do with the creation of the institute or the lab?
QuoteWell naturally :P because if they released that detail we could verify it.
Maybe.
QuoteTrue... Old OOPARTS are always intriquing and most be cataloged... but far too many have logical explanations, like the spark plug and hammer in stone.
Well im not saying its aliens but... :P
QuoteWell maybe. I used to think that when I started researching Ancient Aliens when Eric von Danekin first coined the term :P But I am no leaning towards previous civilizations that have all but been erased.
There are MILLIONS of years between the Dino's and Early man long eniough for several civilizations to have risen and declined. And most things man made deteriorate to dust after a million years. i doubt even the Pyramids would stand for a million years. So all we would find is an occasional bit or OOPART that was protected in some way... like human footprints walking with dinosaurs or a heel of a shoe print crushing a trilobite (extinct 400 million years ago)
Paradox of looking for clues
QuoteThe biggest paradox encountered when looking for signs of Early Advanced Civilizations on the Planet would be the absolute unfamiliarity with their culture, and hence their cultural symbols.
If intelligent life has developed before the advent of the Homo Sapiens, its cultural relics might not be perceivable for us due to our inherent anthrophocentrism.
While we might attribute a cultural meaning to a well preserved stick (i.e. Wizard staff) we might be totally oblivious to the artifact value of for example a perfect sphere of stone, which we might consider a freak of nature, while its attribtues might have served as the whole underpinning of spirituality for a civilization that consists of Myriads of Myelin cells interactinv to form a 'fungal consciousness' on a planet.
Point given though, the presence of a giant intelligent fungus on our planet would have probably left traces, but my point is, if there was such a civilization before us and they had artifacts, we might not be able to distinguish them from natural objects due to our limitation to our human heritage.
http://worldbuilding.stackexchange.com/questions/4494/how-long-would-it-take-to-remove-all-trace-of-a-civilisation (http://worldbuilding.stackexchange.com/questions/4494/how-long-would-it-take-to-remove-all-trace-of-a-civilisation)
QuoteThe Tibetan stories say we are the FIFTH civilization... something that is accepted in the Rosicrucian Camp as fact
Or maybe we are at the 6 version as Architect reveals that the prophesy is a lie and that there have been in fact five versions of Neo before him. Did you not watch the matrix documentary ;D :P :P :P (sorry could not help myself)
QuoteThere are other societies that have ancient records Sadly the Chinese burned a LOT of old Tibetan manuscripts and the Muslims burned the Library of Alexandria....
We still have the Vatican Library. It problably covers a lot of the missing and burned books. ;)
QuoteTo me THE MOST IMPORTANT find in archaeology is the Antikythera mechanism
We pay far to little attention to that one
Thats true. Its really a "missing link". :)
Quote from: A51Watcher on October 12, 2016, 01:54:01 AM
On January 25, 2016 10:30 AM – 11:30 AM John Podesta and Tom DeLonge held a meeting on google hangout. One of the people present for the meeting was Milia Fisher, a special assistant at Hillary for America.
And a little bit earlier(23), guess who DeLonge meet:
QuoteIn San Diego working with Tom DeLonge (from Blink-182) on a project.
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https://twitter.com/RealBobLazar/status/690914075744833536 (https://twitter.com/RealBobLazar/status/690914075744833536)
Quote from: Pimander on October 19, 2016, 02:37:49 PM
I think you will find Hilary doesn't count votes. The Democrats already cheated to put Bush in office. Al Gore won that Florida vote and the world knows it. I've never seen a non-democrat say otherwise who knows the facts. ::)
Odd I though Bush was Rebublican? Did I miss something?
Here is another GIFT left by Obama
Why Is A Former Monsanto Vice President Running the FDA? Michael R. Taylor was was promoted to Commissioner of the FDA after spending years lobbying for the GMO Foods giant. The position affords Taylor the ability to sign off of any cancer-causing, harmful agent produced by Monsanto.
http://investmentwatchblog.com/why-is-a-former-monsanto-vice-president-running-the-fda-michael-r-taylor-was-was-promoted-to-commissioner-of-the-fda-after-spending-years-lobbying-for-the-gmo-foods-giant-the-position-affords-taylo/
QuoteVoter ID checks already mean millions of Democrats don't vote because they have no decent ID. Quit whining! :P
Back not that many years ago Democrat teens went out to FIGHT for this country, gave their lives as true patriots... today those teens need cookies and puppies and therapy and have become namby pamby crybabies who can't deal with reality :P
QuoteFunny how Trump has started whining about vote counts when the votes haven't been counted yet. You would think he knows he won't win!
Old news :P Seems he did win :P So get over it
QuoteAlienating nigh on half the electorate (women) by being a misogynistic sexual predator and more by making ethnic minorities feel unwelcome might not be the best electoral strategy. No amount of whining about cheating when the votes haven't even been counted will change that.
The only women he alienated are one who weren't paying attention to what is really going on... the same type that were okay with Hillary appealing the bill of rights :P The only ethnics he alienated werre the illegals waving MEXICAN flags on American soil and afraid they were going to be bused home, or the blacks on welfare that were afraid they would be forced to get a job and actually earn their food stamps. And those namby pamby crybabies are afraid that their free ride is over and they will have to get a real job instead of an Arts degree with umpteen thousands of student load debt they will NEVER be able to repay
The problem started back in the 60's when the hippies and liberals began protesting the war
Now for the last thirty years those same yoyos are teaching in the schools and universities spouting their ultra liberal " let the government take care of you" crap
And Lyndon Johnson and his great frigging society...
Seeker
Quote from: petrus4 on October 19, 2016, 10:33:31 PMI liked those two.
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Identify THIS load going to Area 51 :P
2009 Posted on C2C
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Identify THIS load going to Area 51 :P
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Just reading over seeker and zorgons last comments,hilarious and soo true.its sweet that women care so much but this sissy world theyve created is under feet like a toddler.
To me,i was worked like a slave in my youth,now that im older,i take my time but darn this world has softened up.everything is so socialized its like somebody filled a car engine full of grease instead of oil.
Robo, they didn't use grease, it's pure grade a bovine feces...
I believe that is why the millennials and snowflakes think they are up diarrhea drive without a dinghy...
Seeker
When I was a kid . . .
There were no snow days.
You froze your ass off waiting for the bus.
There was NO lipping off to or attacking teachers or your elders.
You did not address teachers or your elders by their first names. They were always Mr., Mrs., or Miss.
Teachers were allowed to smack you.
No one had a backpack. We carried our books.
There was NO staying home sick unless you were at death's door.
We weren't allowed to drink coffee until we were adults.
There was a civil curfew for minors.
There was no sex ed. You learned about sex from your friends if you were a girl. I'm not sure how the boys learned.
You were either a boy or a girl.
Those who weren't didn't dare reveal themselves.
Drug use was deeply buried.
Domestic abuse, corporal discipline and verbal abuse, were normal.
The neighbor could cuff you upside the head if you screwed up and your parents would back them.
Smoking cigarettes and drinking alcohol were no big deal.
You started doing chores every day before you reached double digits including mowing the lawn.
Cars didn't have A/C, so on vacations you sweated your ass off in the back seat.
It was tricky to find bathrooms while on vacation.
You didn't buy bottles of whatever or other stuff. That's what meals were for.
Children were seen and not heard.
For whatever reason you got knocked down you damn well got back up and forged ahead, and you sure as hell didn't piss and moan about it.
Adults acting like children and wimping out were at the bottom of the food chain.
I'm sure there's more, but I can't remember it right now
Irene, Old Fart :P
Quote from: Irene on November 17, 2016, 11:36:11 PM
When I was a kid . . .
And now we see the result. :P
Quote from: ArMaP on November 18, 2016, 12:13:39 AM
And now we see the result. :P
What, exactly, is that supposed to mean?
Ditto, Irene, from another grumpy old fart...
8)
Seeker
Quote from: Irene on November 18, 2016, 12:27:33 AM
What, exactly, is that supposed to mean?
It's supposed to mean that older generations are responsible (in part) for the way the younger generations behave.
Armap, those same bleeding ass liberals that are screwing up the last couple of generations have got so many screwed up laws passed you can't spank your kids without being arrested and the kids taken to foster care...
Yeah some of the older generation is responsible alright but they are a minority and need their butts kicked for screwing up the country...
You cannot hold the masses accountable for the actions of a few
Seeker
Quote from: the seeker on November 18, 2016, 08:50:42 PM
You cannot hold the masses accountable for the actions of a few
Exactly, and that applies to all situations.
Quote from: ArMaP on November 18, 2016, 08:10:58 PM
It's supposed to mean that older generations are responsible (in part) for the way the younger generations behave.
Well MOST of the blame lies at the feet of LAWYERS
You cannot discipline kids these days because the little PUNKS can take you to court
School scinece labs removed all dangerous chemicals and even bunsen burners in the classroom. My high school chemistry lab was fully equipped... now today they do what is called 'kitchen chemistry' baking soda and vinger :P
Can't have little Johnny sueing the school because he was stupid and burnt himself on that bunsen burner
TRY to find a GOOD chemistry set today in a science shop hell try to find a good science shop :P that isn't all souvenirs and cute animal stuffies
Back in high school we had the strap... You screwed up in class you were sent to the principal's office... hold out your hand and WHACK!! Then you went back to class red handed :P
It wasn't the pain that made it work :P It was going back to a class of your peers with that red hand...
So now we have a society of namby pamby cry babies thanks to everyone being afraid of getting sued over everything.
So yeah I guess in that context the adults are to blame :P
Quote from: zorgon on November 18, 2016, 09:18:02 PM
Back in high school we had the strap... You screwed up in class you were sent to the principal's office... hold out your hand and WHACK!! Then you went back to class red handed :P
It wasn't the pain that made it work :P It was going back to a class of your peers with that red hand...
In Portugal we didn't have to go to the principal's office, the professor did it in front of the class.
Quote from: ArMaP on November 18, 2016, 08:10:58 PM
It's supposed to mean that older generations are responsible (in part) for the way the younger generations behave.
Hahaha . . .
You can't blame me. I'm the end of my genetic line. I was unable to have children.
QuoteTRY to find a GOOD chemistry set today
I'm afraid to lest I be targeted by Homeland Security, but they're not out there anyway.
Chemistry was a blast when I wad a kid. We really did blow s**t up. My uncle made his own gunpowder. He was artillery out of ROTC. He had miniature cannons that he blew off in the back yard in Minneapolis.
Pissed off the neighbors, but we all cackled like hens.
He worked on classified stuff, but I'll withhold where. Tons of patents. One wall of his family room was covered with plaques for them.
Jesus, another trip down Memory Lane. Nothing gets better with age.