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Okay, I think it's time I made a thread on the subject of religion so that other members can understand my position on it, and perhaps think a moment before saying something.

My first really big gripe is, i see all this negative press and the constant complaining about religion and religious people, as a lead up to a massacre of "biblical proportions".   Don't, not even for five seconds, think that while you're saying you care about me and what happens to me, and then turn around and say the exact opposite, that i'm not paying attention.  I am.   I know the difference between "We love ya man," and "We think we're better than you because you're religious." 

Also, since we're on the subject, what's with all the finger pointing at religion every time a religious person does something stupid or against their own rules?  IT'S THEIR RULES, NOT YOURS. sheesh, cripes all mighty.  Haven't we learned FROM THE MISTAKES OF RELIGION, that micromanaging everyones screw ups and demanding they behave more appropriately (so loosely defined that it's a craps shoot whether your version of what's okay will even remotely resemble someone else's), is an exercise in tyranny?  I have my own brain, thank you.  don't you??

   The religion a person has,  has nothing to do with their poor decisions.  If a person's entire world view, could be blamed for their day to day behaviors, we'd all be up sht's creek without a paddle (and yes, i said a potty word. alert the press, for crying out loud).  Also, since when is it fine if other religious or non religious people have money, but not christians?  Somebody wanna explain that to me?   Pretty much anybody else on the planet can have money but give a christian some moolah and it's OH MY GOD blah blah blah.  Who cares? 

Regardless of how bad human beings behave from time to time, what gave anybody the idea that religious people are not also humans and  just as capable as the next guy to do normal human things, like have sex, have money, etc?  Everyone else gets a pass but not religious people? Why ?  That's illogical.

If you want to see a repeat of nazi germany and stalin's genocides, just keep it up but let's drop the pretense of pretending like you actually give 2 plugged nickles, about me or my family, who are all "christians." 

le mew, le sigh, le aggravation  ::)

Beth, I don't get it.  Many here have no respect for religious institutions and see how they are used to manipulate People.  Just because there is contempt for religion as a whole does NOT equate to holding any believers in contempt, and that includes You.

You take it so personally.  I watch as comments are made about religion in general and in You pop with, in essence, "SO You really DON'T like Me."  That is so far from the truth.  We like and care for YOU.  Not You religion, necessarily, but YOU.

We like a lot of religious People - at least I can say *I* do.  Just because I don't think Their religion holds anything, dogma-wise, does not mean I don't see the spiritual essence come forth in Them.  I'm quite comfortable to agree to disagree.

So.  My recommendation is to stop thinking We are attacking You personally when We say things disparaging religious dogma.  Because when You do that, at least speaking for Myself, I get embarrassed for You and uncomfortable.  I nearly chose to just let this slide, rather than responding.  But, because I care, I felt I had to show where You are wrong in Your assessments of Our thoughts towards You, personally.

Quote from: Amaterasu on May 20, 2012, 06:58:18 AM
Beth, I don't get it.  Many here have no respect for religious institutions and see how they are used to manipulate People.  Just because there is contempt for religion as a whole does NOT equate to holding any believers in contempt, and that includes You.

You take it so personally.  I watch as comments are made about religion in general and in You pop with, in essence, "SO You really DON'T like Me."  That is so far from the truth.  We like and care for YOU.  Not You religion, necessarily, but YOU.

We like a lot of religious People - at least I can say *I* do.  Just because I don't think Their religion holds anything, dogma-wise, does not mean I don't see the spiritual essence come forth in Them.  I'm quite comfortable to agree to disagree.

So.  My recommendation is to stop thinking We are attacking You personally when We say things disparaging religious dogma.  Because when You do that, at least speaking for Myself, I get embarrassed for You and uncomfortable.  I nearly chose to just let this slide, rather than responding.  But, because I care, I felt I had to show where You are wrong in Your assessments of Our thoughts towards You, personally.

you know how frustrating it would be for you, if your world view was held up under the magnifying glass that religion, particularly christianity, has to go thru, based on things like, oh let's say someone who also read and agreed with the premise of the terra papers went out the next day and cheated on his spouse. no one would care.  why?  who the flip knows but i think it's because it has nothing to do with the belief in the terra papers.

now considering the terra papers are essentially the same thing as the bible, historically speaking,  discussing the same cast of characters and even suggesting by its criticisms and praises, which part of the behavior of enlil and company, we should emulate and which part we should not, does it not seem rather logical that just because yoU BELIEVE IT'S TRUE, does not mean that the behavior of somebody else who believes its true, should be used as an excuse to say it isn't true nor to say that it somehow reflects on your intellect,  if someone else who believes it, does something dumb..  suddenly the terra papers are dumb because someone who believes it, had a theory that turned out to be invalid, scientifically.

i know you know this!  and it irks me to no end that so many people have become so comfortable with this bizarre way of dealing with each other's world views.

you should acquaint or reacquaint yourself with how hitler managed to get the approval of the german people, to do what he did to jewish people.   

what part of I DON'T WANT TO DIE, don't you get?

Undo, it is late here in Texas, so this will be short for now, but I will have more to say, tomorrow.  You said a lot, and I understand your feelings. For you, I say, just "know" and remember, "we are in the World". As  a Christian, you should know what that means for us, in terms of what to expect. Nothing you said is a surprise to me, for we see it plainly , in some fashion, almost every day.

So, just know that the peace that passes all understanding is there for you, in and through the Comforter that lives in you. So quit worrying, relax, and put Him first. Then all else will take on the right perspective!

Good night! More comment tomorrow!  ;)

I can only speak for Myself, but from My perspective, there are as many paths as there are Conscious Beings in relating to the spirit within.  Though dogma runs common in many groups, and I'm talking any dogma, be it Wiccan, Buddhist, Christian, Jewish, Islamic, Shinto, or (to steal from National Lampoon) Cosmic Muffin, any who take the common principles of caring for One anOther, trying to maintain honesty and dignity, acceptance and Love...  Those are the Ones whose path is righteous.

There are Those who would condemn Me for failing to believe the dogma They carry, who would not treat Me as They would have Me treat Them, and They are Ones I don't much like, but I do not take it personally.

There is a difference between feeling contempt for the machinations of Those who would control Others through dogma, and wanting the believers put to death.  There is a great spiritual awakening, and though some hate groups are out there, most of Us are learning tolerance for Others, regardless of the dogma carried.  As long as the basic spiritual principles are held, acceptance and Love are given.

Yes, Hitler used religious beliefs as a way to divide and conquer, but We are aware now, more than ever, and will fight that should it come forth with any power at all.

it already did come forth. it's been coming forth since the time of jesus.  i was just reading what is happening and has been happening to the sudanese christians.  holey rusted metal batman, it's bad.  if the female christians refuse to denounce their religion, they are gang-raped, their breasts cut off and then they are left to die.   in one example, an entire group of christians were herded into a tent at gun point, and then the tent was run over by a 50 ton russian tank.

millions, perhaps billions of people have died either as a result of their religion or lack thereof, or as a result of refusing to give up their religion.  this stuff is still happening today, in fact, it's happening all the time, with increasing frequency as the time nears the "depopulation plan."

if you survive it, just mark and remember my words:  once competing groups have done the dirty work of killing off their rivals, they'll be blamed and executed next.  this is how it will go down.

First of all, Beth, any comment made by myself is never aimed toward you, and I heartily respect your position on Christianity.
As it is also very noticeable for anyone who is here at Prc, that you believe what you believe for all the right reasons.
You, and Rdunk I presume are two shining lights in a sea of darkenss, and if more Christians were like you two, this thread would be moot.
As Amy said, any comments here are not directed at or pertaining to your level of faith, and never will be.

Now, as this thread is about religion, it is a proper posting place for a few facts about religion.

Naming names, or pointing fingers at any single individual in the process of defining a GOOD Christian isnt necessary, as a GOOD Christian is obvious. They are balanced and kind with a great deal of control and forgiveness for others. They will generally be a bit meeker than the rest of folks out there, yet that is a strength in itself.
Some will join others in a church environment or a group setting, and thats where it goes wrong. Our opinions of what created us, based on whatever study and reading weve done on the Bible proper, are effectively challenged and changed through the law of averages.
If a group of different minded individuals is presented with differing theories over a period of time, they will all end up believing the final result, without realizing why.
Eventually, after sermonns aplenty, the person who had a unique idea, is averaged in with the others.

That is why the religions of the world exhibit HIVE mentality, and pounce upon the ones who disagree with them.

That is why most other religions dont agree at all, as it would be paramount to saying their's is wrong.

That is why any independent thought is typically discouraged in certain religions and a solid doctrine is induced.

To define the word hypocrisy doesnt require a dictionary or such.
Hypocrisy is when someone says or believes something as doctrine, and then goes out and violates that very doctrine with impunity.

It's what makes a mouse out of a man, and turns every person's effort at that church into a waste of time. Any furtherment of the spirit has been effectively canceled out by the offending action, and Hypocrisy is defined in the context of religion.

That is why they invented forgiveness.
For even one mistake to be made in Jesus' time was dangerous at best, and the fanatics were rampant at all levels of religion, yet today, one can do unspeakable acts within the confines of the very church itself, and walk free after confession.
In a nutshell, this is absurd and ludicrous and strikes at the very core of a Christian heart. A heart that starts out good, and is clouded by peer pressure and many other bad inputs, creating a religious person who is able to sin, and get a patch done from the church.
No human should have that power to decide for any other human, and thats what religion does, is tell you what to do, believe, how to act, and where to put the tithe money.
So, we come to money.....something that never has affected religious views....yeah right! Enough on that, as I could type all day!

Typically, the religious folks have also been the basis of many wars and atrocities in the name of their "god"
When you look at many of our own patches and symbolic military decals, there is the in god we trust phrase, that defines hypocrisy again. As we drop bombs and murder innocent people in the name of whatever reason it is this time, we do it with the firm belief that God is watching and approving.
NOT!
The middle east is a perfect example of this violent dysfunction that pervades ALL religion,and is the magnet for our aggressions.A reason of the day to kill and violate the very commandments we supposedly live by.

Christianity in the mainstream is just another tool for them to control those who will follow like so many sheep.
Of course Christianity is based on goodness and forgiveness, so it is the least offensive of the worlds religions, or is it?

I, as a person of sound whatever, put people into two catagories.
Those who follow, and those who lead, and any effort put into someone elses doctrines or decipherments of the bible's words is a waste of time.

Heres the thing, Undo...YOU have put that effort in, and so has Rdunk I presume, and I find both of you to be very, very clear in your beliefs without pushiness or attempts to convince me of anything.
Both you guys get my deepest respect for your new approach to Christianity, and I have to say, kudos to you both!

I will continue to believe there was a universal creator at some point in our lifeline, and leave it at that, while trying to live up to Jesus true teachings, and not some convoluted version of one of the million offshots of Christianity there seem to be today.
My mind-My understanding-My belief
Thats the holy trinity that defines us all as life beings!

Thanks for the ear, and thanks for being who YOU are, Undo, a very cool gal, who is very high on my list in every way.
And a TRUE Christian, as well!
Cheers!
Dave

LE,

well from what i can tell the universe itself was created by super massive black holes. but your dna was created by enki, i'm pretty sure.  he was one of these

see three attached photos

and i think he was jesus, for several reasons, starting first with jesus referring to himself as the serpent raised on moses' staff to bring healing to the people.

this is kinda corny, has the church piano music in the background, but the guy is talking about enki's handiwork and doesn't even know it.  specifically a protein called laminin, which apparently plays a role in holding our bodies together.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0-NPPIeeRk

here's a pic (scientific diagram) of laminin (see attached. click on it to enlarge)

Very cool mind candy, Undo! Ill be going at that info later, and yes, I believe Jesus was Enki, and did what you say, thats why I named my screen avatar Littleenki, as I try to follow his wonderful teaching s as closely as I can.
Cheers, andhappy sunday!
Le

an even better example
(click on attached image)

Quote from: Littleenki on May 20, 2012, 04:23:36 PM
Very cool mind candy, Undo! Ill be going at that info later, and yes, I believe Jesus was Enki, and did what you say, thats why I named my screen avatar Littleenki, as I try to follow his wonderful teaching s as closely as I can.
Cheers, andhappy sunday!
Le

did you watch the video?  kinda interesting, although typical sermon cadence and atmosphere, if you listen to what he's saying and not necessarily how he says it.  we get hung up on our perceptions and prejudices.   i should know. i use to think ancient wisdom teachings were evil personified, till i found out that ancient wisdom is not ancient mystery.  just some folks decided to hide it.  according to zorgon, the rationale for hiding it is that if everyone knew, it would be horribly abused, and the whole place, planet and all its critters and people, would've self-destructed a long time ago.

btw , this example (see and click on attached pic) is from ancient mesopotamia!

.......... ??? 

not sure how anyone could see this stuff and not at least ask the question, "how did ancient mesopotamians know this stuff, thousands of years before "modern" medicine?"

the word that creates all living things:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwHdk6-u__0

in the beginning was the word and the word was with god, and the word was god.  the word was made flesh and dwelt among men.  (that's a verse from the new testament, talking about jesus). 

far from being an ancient book for prejudice old geezers, in fact, it's proving to be a scientific manual in medical, quantum physical, metaphorical and spiritual languages.

note the date on this. warning:  video of nigerian christians, men women and children, burnt to death, hacked to death, shot, and otherwise murdered.  also, quite a bit of suffering being vocalized by the people who have lived to endure the loss and inhumanity of it.  i realize people are frustrated with religion and/or christianity, but good freakn' grief people. this is over the freakin' top.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFpYc_mUqCQ

Divide et impera.
Religions are invented to assist in the agenda of control over this planets populations.
Humans are easily persuaded to be believers, and to defend that belief with their lives.
Whatever side at differing times creates murder of other beliefs are merely acting out the drama created to divide and conquer.
Your thread displays this to perfection.
hobbit

Quote from: hobbit on May 20, 2012, 07:02:19 PM
Divide et impera.
Religions are invented to assist in the agenda of control over this planets populations.
Humans are easily persuaded to be believers, and to defend that belief with their lives.
Whatever side at differing times creates murder of other beliefs are merely acting out the drama created to divide and conquer.
Your thread displays this to perfection.
hobbit

has it never dawned on you that your world view is also a means of dividing people of your particular beliefs from that of others?   you're making excuses now for genocide.  there's no excuse.  none.   n.o.n.e.

i am not and will not be held responsible for sh it, other people do.  i will not and refuse to ever, accept that i'm an idiot, a puppet or a less than human, human being.   insisting that other people are subpar because of their world view, skin color, gender, or nationality, is the fodder for genocide. it starts by claiming they are stupid and moves on from there. 

muslims are not subhuman. europeans are not subhumans.  africans are not subhuman, no matter their dna.  ever hear about the tutsis and hutus in rwanda?  the entire thing, from beginning to end, was about classifying some people as subhuman, incapable of ruling themselves (when the tutsis were in power) and in the end, resulted in ethnic cleansing of unbelievable proportions.   all tutsis were blamed for what a few tutsis did.  THIS FORUM HAS MANY EXAMPLES OF THAT SAME MINDSET.

"christians are ignorant puppets"
"religious people are ignorant puppets"

well let's see about doing some comparative analysis shall we?  do i even have to mention mao?  no?  pol pot?  stalin? 

you're being very smug about this and it is not a matter to be smug about.  people's lives are in the balance here.

are you caucasian? 

Quote from: undo11 on May 20, 2012, 06:28:58 PM
note the date on this. warning:  video of nigerian christians, men women and children, burnt to death, hacked to death, shot, and otherwise murdered.  also, quite a bit of suffering being vocalized by the people who have lived to endure the loss and inhumanity of it.  i realize people are frustrated with religion and/or christianity, but good freakn' grief people. this is over the freakin' top.

So is the persecution of [fill in the religious group] which kills many.  This is happening to a number of different groups and at various points in history.  I seem to recall Christians persecuting Jews and Muslims...  Yes, the divide and conquer tactics work very well when seeding groups with disparate religious beliefs and the message that Theirs is the "one true belief" and They should kill "heretics."

Nothing new in this.

Quote from: hobbit on May 20, 2012, 07:02:19 PM
Divide et impera.
Religions are invented to assist in the agenda of control over this planets populations.
Humans are easily persuaded to be believers, and to defend that belief with their lives.
Whatever side at differing times creates murder of other beliefs are merely acting out the drama created to divide and conquer.
Your thread displays this to perfection.
hobbit

Hello hobbit. Well, I suppose what you said, you believe as fact. Unfortunately, I take what you said as mostly nonsense. Maybe that thinking is a part of someone's fairy tale somewhere, but that is not what is happening in the reality I have known for a lot of years.

Of course, anyone can have their own opinions about any subject, but opinions based upon areas where there has been no personal involvement are just that - "opinions". A really good thing about the PRC forum is that we all can express our thoughts and opinions on posted subjects, but never ever should we assume that everyone, nor even anyone, agrees with our opinions, unless so stated.

It was not by any man's "persuasion" that I became a Christian. I made my own decision to accept Jesus as my Lord and Savior.  And I believe that is the case for most everyone I know! At that point there is a supernatural "spiritual" change made by God in a person. And yes, that is just the beginning of learning about and living the life of a Christian. God's word does tell us how to live, and how we are to live with others, but in no way do I consider that to be "acting out the drama created to divide and conquer", as you stated!

hobbit, I cannot equate what you said relative to other "religions", since I have no knowledge of them at all, however, I would suspect your thoughts to be basically humanistic (which you are human) opinions for those also.  ;)

Quote from: Amaterasu on May 20, 2012, 07:42:31 PM
So is the persecution of [fill in the religious group] which kills many.  This is happening to a number of different groups and at various points in history.  I seem to recall Christians persecuting Jews and Muslims...  Yes, the divide and conquer tactics work very well when seeding groups with disparate religious beliefs and the message that Theirs is the "one true belief" and They should kill "heretics."

Nothing new in this.

okay, now i know you've read what jesus said. what part of his words leads you to believe the people persecuting jews and muslims were "christians" or, rather, behaving in a "christian" manner?  notice when i posted that video, i did not mention it was muslims doing it, because that's not realistic.  it's genocide, brought about by the near non-stop villification of religion and christianity in particular.

here, this will explain it better:  in america, when you go in the hospital, they ask you what your faith is so they know who to call to officiate your passing from this world to the next, should the event arise.  in other parts of the world, they claim the usa is almost entire christian, but many of the people who say "christian" on the hospital form, say that because they were born into that religion, even if they don't practice it.   being born into a religion does not actually make you that religion.  you have to make an actual adult decision to follow that faith for to have any bearing.

why did i bring that up? cause some of the people in those other countries that think this nation is almost entirely christian, are blaming all americans for what a few americans do and they are making sure to point out it's "Christians" doing it.  even if the person is agnostic, if they don't state that on their hospital records, it gets published that way.

in places like australia, they actually think americans all carry guns and are all living like the wild west on steroids. they think we are all violent, obese, ignoramuses. where'd they get that idea?  i can tell you:  because it's the plan to genocide christians, particularly white christians or just white people in general, and america is a big neon target, flashing away as our "Elected democratic" government forces its will on the rest of the planet, while claiming its driven by "christianity."   

what is christianity? it's the belief in the teachings of jesus. what were the teachings of jesus?  that we're all a rag tag group of screw ups, there's no master race, and we're all equal in the sight of god.  we should forgive those who wrong us, turn the other cheek and basically get abused by people who think they are better than us.  what would happen if real christians actually started to defend themselves?

it would not be pretty, as they have a long list of actual abuses against them in their own lives. RIGHT NOW. not in the middle ages, not in the dark ages, not in the old testament days, not in sumer, but right this minute. 

p.s. more christians have been killed by other "christians" than other religions have been killed by other "christians". that should tell you something right there.   just cause you say you're a christian, doesn't mean you are.  that's why i don't assume it's muslims killing christians in africa, because just cause you're born muslim, doesn't mean you're actually a muslim.

Undo.... you go too far sometimes. Do you realize it?

Try this for size.

in places like Australia, they actually think Americans all carry guns and are all living like the wild west on steroids. they think we are all violent, obese, ignoramuses. where'd they get that idea?  i can tell you:  because it's the plan to genocide Christians, particularly white Christians or just white people in general, and America is a big neon target, flashing away as our "Elected democratic" government forces its will on the rest of the planet, while claiming its driven by "Christianity." 

The only one that I have seen promoting this idea in this entire Forum has been you. You keep saying that agenda is out there but one has to wonder if it is actually or just your perception. I don't buy your perception. Its the PLAN????? That's what YOU see. That does not make it the truth.

I also would not blame an outsider for thinking.... lets see.... how did you put it...

"they actually think Americans all carry guns and are all living like the wild west on steroids. they think we are all violent, obese, ignoramuses. where'd they get that idea?

Have you sat in a Mall Food Court recently? Have you read that about the only business that is actually BOOMING right now is the sale of small fire arms? As far as ignoramuses..... do you note that some of the polls taken regarding teaching standards, especially in the science and math departments are 28th in the WORLD?  That might not make us the most stupid but we are not in the top five percent..... that's for sure....

That we are trigger happy? Tell that same visitor to drive down certain neighborhoods in LA and see further what he thinks......

And you excuse us for that? I don't.

I also don't see the grand plan to persecute Christians that you seem to promote by your opposition to it.

Linda

Quote from: undo11 on May 20, 2012, 08:03:26 PM
okay, now i know you've read what jesus said. what part of his words leads you to believe the people persecuting jews and muslims were "christians" or, rather, behaving in a "christian" manner?  notice when i posted that video, i did not mention it was muslims doing it, because that's not realistic.  it's genocide, brought about by the near non-stop villification of religion and christianity in particular.

People calling Themselves "Christian" created the Inquisition...  Whether the behavior was "Christian" or not.  I surely never said that ugly behavior choices conform with the message of Jesus.  My point is that (especially) in "Christian" and "Muslim" claimants, atrocities have occurred/been perpetrated in the respective religion's name.  Other religions' adherents are not blameless in this behavior, but the dogma is less intolerant in most other religions.

Quotehere, this will explain it better:  in america, when you go in the hospital, they ask you what your faith is so they know who to call to officiate your passing from this world to the next, should the event arise.  in other parts of the world, they claim the usa is almost entire christian, but many of the people who say "christian" on the hospital form, say that because they were born into that religion, even if they don't practice it.   being born into a religion does not actually make you that religion.  you have to make an actual adult decision to follow that faith for to have any bearing.

why did i bring that up? cause some of the people in those other countries that think this nation is almost entirely christian, are blaming all americans for what a few americans do and they are making sure to point out it's "Christians" doing it.  even if the person is agnostic, if they don't state that on their hospital records, it gets published that way.

in places like australia, they actually think americans all carry guns and are all living like the wild west on steroids. they think we are all violent, obese, ignoramuses. where'd they get that idea?  i can tell you:  because it's the plan to genocide christians, particularly white christians or just white people in general, and america is a big neon target, flashing away as our "Elected democratic" government forces its will on the rest of the planet, while claiming its driven by "christianity."   

what is christianity? it's the belief in the teachings of jesus. what were the teachings of jesus?  that we're all a rag tag group of screw ups, there's no master race, and we're all equal in the sight of god.  we should forgive those who wrong us, turn the other cheek and basically get abused by people who think they are better than us.  what would happen if real christians actually started to defend themselves?

it would not be pretty, as they have a long list of actual abuses against them in their own lives. RIGHT NOW. not in the middle ages, not in the dark ages, not in the old testament days, not in sumer, but right this minute.

While I agree with most of what You're saying, I think the target is America, not Christians per se.  That some figures suggest We are "mostly Christian," and that is then taken further to suggest perhaps that local Christians are in some way in sympathy with the US (who has, at the top levels, been choosing to bomb People, going "preemptively" to war, and otherwise throwing weight around in Our name).

And surely there is someOne behind these divide-and-conquer tactics.  Railing against Us here, who value the principles if not the dogma of the true Christian, is energy better spent moving in on Those who promulgate the ideas that Christianity =US oppression.

linda,

small firearms are on the rise because people are being prepared for violent revolution, during which a whole lot of whites and particularly christians, are gonna be genocided.  it's all over the internet. it's on the news. it's in other conspiracy forums.  it's everywhere.  music videos.  newspapers.  tv news.  magazines. 

the democratic party initially, was for slavery and fought tooth and nail to keep it. the republican party were against slavery and fought tooth and nail to eradicate it.  now its presented as the complete opposite, in every text book, music video, college university and newspaper article from the democrats.  why? because the plan is to blame white people for what the democrats did, themselves, 200 years ago.  not you as a democrat, but the original democrats.  you as a democrat (if you are a democrat) are not responsible for what democrats did 200 years ago! 

now who is using the democratic party to make it seem like whites and christians in particular are the problem, when republican white christians were among those ones fighting to free the blacks from the slavery of the south???  well republicans of today cannot lay claim to what the republicans of 200 years ago did, unless they show evidence of having the same desire, i.e. unless they show evidence of not wanting to enslave us all to a central government. 

we need to understand what slavery is in order to see just who is up to this and what their intent is.  i've been actively investigating it all, and i can tell you, that's what all the indications are. 

Undo11,
          I really do like You.
I will not though give any organised religion any respect.
I will give anyone full respect for their personal belief.
Onward christian soldiers, marching as to war, with the cross of jesus going on before.
Before jesus was a story of mithras.
Previous to that was a story of horus.
ALL these stories are based on solar occurances, and especially the PINCH points in the very large birkeland currents that provide compressed inputs, such as We are presently experiencing.
At these pinch points certain people will far easier attain the christos elevation when the serpents awake from the base chakra.
Right now , the flows of the serpents are going OFF My scale personal ability to find their flow flow rates.
The moon is working it's magic, watch out for the consequences.

IMHO( in my hobbit opinion)
it is time to awaken from the veil of organised religions.
To not allow them to draw oneself into their drama, to rid ourselves of these shackles and realise our full potentials .

You display a great intelligence, and are thus capable of been drawn extra further into the drama, and thus been USED as a zealot cheer leader for the belief You have been indoctrinated with.
Do not attack Me, do not allow Yourself to be used in this manner...PLEASE.
hobbit

Quote from: Amaterasu on May 20, 2012, 08:29:18 PM
People calling Themselves "Christian" created the Inquisition...  Whether the behavior was "Christian" or not.  I surely never said that ugly behavior choices conform with the message of Jesus.  My point is that (especially) in "Christian" and "Muslim" claimants, atrocities have occurred/been perpetrated in the respective religion's name.  Other religions' adherents are not blameless in this behavior, but the dogma is less intolerant in most other religions.

While I agree with most of what You're saying, I think the target is America, not Christians per se.  That some figures suggest We are "mostly Christian," and that is then taken further to suggest perhaps that local Christians are in some way in sympathy with the US (who has, at the top levels, been choosing to bomb People, going "preemptively" to war, and otherwise throwing weight around in Our name).

And surely there is someOne behind these divide-and-conquer tactics.  Railing against Us here, who value the principles if not the dogma of the true Christian, is energy better spent moving in on Those who promulgate the ideas that Christianity =US oppression.

AMATERASU,

the inquistion killed more christians than any other religion on the planet. this is the part that's repeatedly left out of the story because the plan is to blame ALL christians for what a few christians did..  they killed non catholic christians, gnostic christians, druids, pagans of various stripes, but the biggest target were  non-catholic CHRISTIANS.   

if i say  my name is amaterasu, it doesn't actually mean i'm amaterasu.

Quote from: hobbit on May 20, 2012, 08:36:44 PM
Undo11,
          I really do like You.
I will not though give any organised religion any respect.
I will give anyone full respect for their personal belief.
Onward christian soldiers, marching as to war, with the cross of jesus going on before.
Before jesus was a story of mithras.
Previous to that was a story of horus.
ALL these stories are based on solar occurances, and especially the PINCH points in the very large birkeland currents that provide compressed inputs, such as We are presently experiencing.
At these pinch points certain people will far easier attain the christos elevation when the serpents awake from the base chakra.
Right now , the flows of the serpents are going OFF My scale personal ability to find their flow flow rates.
The moon is working it's magic, watch out for the consequences.

IMHO( in my hobbit opinion)
it is time to awaken from the veil of organised religions.
To not allow them to draw oneself into their drama, to rid ourselves of these shackles and realise our full potentials .

You display a great intelligence, and are thus capable of been drawn extra further into the drama, and thus been USED as a zealot cheer leader for the belief You have been indoctrinated with.
Do not attack Me, do not allow Yourself to be used in this manner...PLEASE.
hobbit

i'm not attacking you, i'm defending myself because at the moment, you people are scaring the sh it out of me.

ama,

i missed this part cause i have this like seething anger of being blamed for stuff other people did or do.  i'm sick and tired of it and i'm pretty sure everyone else is as well.  we just need to apply this all around and not leave some people out of the equation by perpetuating the myth that "Christians" did this or that, when there's not one ounce of proof that the people doing it, were actually christians.

QuoteAnd surely there is someOne behind these divide-and-conquer tactics.  Railing against Us here, who value the principles if not the dogma of the true Christian, is energy better spent moving in on Those who promulgate the ideas that Christianity =US oppression.

yes indeedy, there is someone doing it, but who is the question.  for example, did you read the "all roads lead to rome" thread on ats?  do you think he's right?

Undo quote:

Okay, I think it's time I made a thread on the subject of religion so that other members can understand my position on it, and perhaps think a moment before saying something.

My first really big gripe is, i see all this negative press and the constant complaining about religion and religious people, as a lead up to a massacre of "biblical proportions".   Don't, not even for five seconds, think that while you're saying you care about me and what happens to me, and then turn around and say the exact opposite, that i'm not paying attention.  I am.   I know the difference between "We love ya man," and "We think we're better than you because you're religious." 

Also, since we're on the subject, what's with all the finger pointing at religion every time a religious person does something stupid or against their own rules?  IT'S THEIR RULES, NOT YOURS. sheesh, cripes all mighty.  Haven't we learned FROM THE MISTAKES OF RELIGION, that micromanaging everyones screw ups and demanding they behave more appropriately (so loosely defined that it's a craps shoot whether your version of what's okay will even remotely resemble someone else's), is an exercise in tyranny?  I have my own brain, thank you.  don't you??

what is Christianity? it's the belief in the teachings of Jesus. what were the teachings of Jesus?  that we're all a rag tag group of screw ups, there's no master race, and we're all equal in the sight of god.  we should forgive those who wrong us, turn the other cheek and basically get abused by people who think they are better than us.  what would happen if real Christians actually started to defend themselves?

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Undo, I have copied a part of your OP here, and then also a paragraph from your most recent reply. Thanks so much for stating, in your own words, what to you Christianity is! Obviously, it takes the entire Bible to express all that Christianity is, but you did a great job of making a simple statement that is easy for everyone to understand!

Yes, it is all about Jesus. He is what the entire Bible is all about. Even the Old Testament is full of foretelling the coming of the Messiah. Christianity is about God, and the promises of God to his people, for now, and for all eternity, for those who accept Jesus, as his Son, and as Lord and Savior from eternal hell.

While we live in this world, we live as man in the flesh. However, God is Spirit, and there are evil spirits (satan) on this Earth. While Jesus has won the battle for man already, for those who accept him, the spiritual battle continues. All of us, including the saved Christians and all of mankind, will continue to be a part of the spiritual battle, until God and Jesus again say "it is finished".

This battle is just an "ongoing of situational paradox" (my term). The "lost" (non-Christian) fight the battle however they can, with the human mind, and human tools. The Christians really do have the advantage, because in the Bible, God tells us about the 'fight', and he tells us to "put on the whole armor off God" (spiritual armor) to fight the battle. The fight is against the "wiles of the devil", and not against men.

So Undo, the "fight/battle" is everywhere, and when we get up every morning, we just know the war is still on, and shouldn't be surprised when the "shots are fired" (fiery darts), even from people we "know".
Yes, you did mention "turning the other cheek", which sounds like nonsense to man's mind, but in the Spirit, that is how the battle is won.

That is God's way, for us, to deal with everyone. When we put him first, then who can be against us? Doesn't make any difference what others may say, because when they say it, we can know it is as if they said it to God. For God says in his Word:

Romans 12:19
"Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord".

So Undo, your comments seem to reflect how some, if not most of us feel at times. But, God intends for us to grow beyond where the "world" is in such things, and we can, at all times, be in his "peace" in him, and at "peace" with ourselves and everyone, until he comes/the rapture!!!!

Again, thanks for posting

Undo 11,
               Fear is all there is to fear.
Fear thy god.
Fear is used to shrink Your personal field diameter, if enough fear is attracted to You , Your vehicle will curl up into a fetal position.

We , that is those upon here who are debating with You ,are doing so to help You.
To try and explain our comprehension of how organised religions are designed to create conflict
This is done by very very clever programmers.

I was subjected to a massive download of information that set Me off rambling along to find the questions to the information I was subjected to.
I spent a couple of years delving into organised religions, especially abbot suger.
I wanted to demolish the churchs etc.
I was full of hate for them, but.

I was drawn to Cornwall...mysteriously, and went to a very special well, the trees are adhorned with clotties( small shreds of cloths) , as I came out of the well, which is down in a sort of small cave, a man was stood above it smiling at Me.
He asked me ..."why are You so angry Kevin"
I replied .."Kevin"
And asked how he knew My name.
He smiled and asked if I would like to hear the words again...I asked what words???
He said..." forgive them, as they could not know, time as such as time is ,was not right....it is now, and WE are amazed at You.
I asked who's the WE???
He again smiled and said I KNEW, but couldn't remember.
I suddenly realised that I had FORGIVEN the churchs... and He said thats better.
I asked Him who he was , and again He told Me I knew, then said His name was Stephen, and We had met many times before, and I would remember ever more soon.

We had quite a long conversation after that , then He walked off.

You can only KNOW that which You are indoctrinated with , and that is within the time flows You are subjected to, We can attain further KNOWING by expanding our field diameters that enables access to different dimensions that have much much more knowledge.
There are though entities residing in these dimensions that do not want many to attain this, or have,nt wanted previously many to attain acess, but thats about to end.
Please understand We care.
All is ONE....very litterally, and it's fantastic beyond explanation.
hobbit

rdunk,

thanks for the response.
i don't really want to burst your balloon, but you know that passage that says god will never subject us to more than we can handle? 

i don't think that applies to christians, cause i was literally tortured to death, a slow and painful, emotionally traumatizing death beyond words, pleading desperately for help and finding none. and i was approximately 33 years of age. 

my help didn't arrive till i was already dead as a doornail, with machines doing the functions of my body because my body could not stay live on its own anymore. all my motor functions quit.  and i was literally resurrected from the dead to live thru more misery, some of which has finally passed and some of which seems to be ongoing and some of which is just a natural response to not wanting to undergo any more pain and suffering.  torture and me are not friends. 

if somebody comes at me with a knife to cut off my other breast, i have plans to bite his dangily clean off with my toothless gums (yeah all my teeth turned to chalk and had to be pulled out sometime right before i was diagnosed with breast cancer, chemotherapy which gave me diabetes. are we having fun yet?  NOPE! )

you live thru that once and let me know whether you think that verse applies to christians or not.

you live thru that once and let me know whether you think that verse applies to christians or not.

And yet....After all of that... You are alive.... Toward what purpose?   Linda

Quote from: Linda Brown on May 20, 2012, 09:56:22 PM
you live thru that once and let me know whether you think that verse applies to christians or not.

And yet....After all of that... You are alive.... Toward what purpose?   Linda

i guess because it built the faith of others up to see a miracle happen. however it reeked havoc on my faith regarding the application of some verses of scripture. i realized that, regardless of how badly we may want the text to mean something, it doesnt necessarily mean it means what you want it to mean, cause i was definitely a christian at the time, and that slow death was just sheer misery of unfathomable proportions.  i wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy, although i would surely entertain the notion of castrating anyone who came at me with the idea of more torture.    i think i've been thru quite enough, thank you.

I keep wondering what it is that you have really learned from the experience? Surely its not only that you don't want to be hurt anymore....That should be obvious.... but what was it about your experience... and the pain of it all ... that has prepared you for another frontier?

Linda

Quote from: undo11 on May 20, 2012, 09:23:54 PM
rdunk,

thanks for the response.
i don't really want to burst your balloon, but you know that passage that says god will never subject us to more than we can handle? 

i don't think that applies to Christians, cause i was literally tortured to death, a slow and painful, emotionally traumatizing death beyond words, pleading desperately for help and finding none. and i was approximately 33 years of age. 

my help didn't arrive till i was already dead as a doornail, with machines doing the functions of my body because my body could not stay live on its own anymore. all my motor functions quit.  and i was literally resurrected from the dead to live thru more misery, some of which has finally passed and some of which seems to be ongoing and some of which is just a natural response to not wanting to undergo any more pain and suffering.  torture and me are not friends. 

if somebody comes at me with a knife to cut off my other breast, i have plans to bite his dangily clean off with my toothless gums (yeah all my teeth turned to chalk and had to be pulled out sometime right before i was diagnosed with breast cancer, chemotherapy which gave me diabetes. are we having fun yet?  NOPE! )

you live thru that once and let me know whether you think that verse applies to Christians or not.

Hey Undo, you will never need to be concerned about "bursting my bubble", for I am in his hands, absolutely, and regardless of the situation. And, I am at peace, in him, regardless to what may arise!

In some way, you have been "misguided" with the scripture you asked me about, as probably many have, if one just listens to "man", and doesn't go to the Bible to see what God has to say. In this case, God does say it, but he is not talking about sickness and disease. He is talking about "temptation (to sin).

The bible verse is 1 Cor. 10:13 - "No temptation has overtaken you except such as is common to man; but God is faithful, who will not allow you to be tempted beyond what you are able, but with the temptation will also make the way of escape, that you may be able to bear it".

So that there is no misunderstanding, God makes no "temptation", as that is what satan does. God is just making it clear that he will be there to help us with any temptation.

Undo, your brief account of your medical/physical situations is awful, and what you have been through is horrible. But, it doesn't hold a candle to what Jesus went through, for you and me.  The Son of God, died on a cross, and as prophesied, arose from the dead, that we might have life, and have it more abundantly.

Sickness, disease, and DEATH came as a result of Adam's disobedience of God, in the Garden of Eden. Satan is the father lies, and he is the father of your sickness and diseases, as he is of mine. I was diagnosed in 1975 with MS, but I was healed from that, by God, and worked another 25 years before I retired. Then two years ago, I was diagnosed with bladder cancer, and had "radical" surgery to deal with that, during nine hours in the operating room. And I am still physically trying to get back to normal, but still, tests show no return. I only mention that to say, all of us have things we have to bear, some being worse than others. But, a day is coming.....................................yippee!!

Now, throughout all of that, never even once have I thought that God wasn't there for me. And, I certainly was not concerned about dying, and never will be. Because, I KNOW in whom I have believed, and I KNOW he will be there to welcome me home, when that time comes. Nothing else really matters. That is peace beyond all peace! 

And no "fairytale", nor anyone else's religion or thought, can change what I believe, in the God of this Universe, with whom "we can" forever live!!

rdunk,

oh my gosh, you're right!  why was it stuck in my head incorrectly?  i know that its temptation, not sure why i forgot that.  weird.

Quote from: Linda Brown on May 20, 2012, 10:36:42 PM
I keep wondering what it is that you have really learned from the experience? Surely its not only that you don't want to be hurt anymore....That should be obvious.... but what was it about your experience... and the pain of it all ... that has prepared you for another frontier?

Linda

that's a good question.  i can tell you that suffering and misery sucks. but i think most people can figure that out without an object lesson.  i know i was clearly aware of how bad it is, but still got the lesson just the same.  maybe it wasn't my lesson but someone else's.  would be nice if those types of lessons came with a warning label.

Aside from the hearty discussion here, I would like to personally give Undo and rdunk a hug from afar, and wish you both a healthy continuation of life.
What you two have been through is unimaginable for most, and impossible for some, so a big burst of love, from whatever inner or outer god is with us to both of you, and your families!

Undo, you taught me to forgive and move on a while ago, and I still use that lesson every day, thanks a bunch!

Linda, you taught me that there is another world of wonder out there, and how we can grab it by the horns, and ride it to the end of the rodeo, I am forever in your lovely debt!

Amy, youve shown me that a person can persevere through a horrible family experience and be a better person for it...I think you are a special gal! Thanks!

Rdunk, I havent known you for long, but you have taught me that something else might be at play here, and your strength in your faith is incredible! Thanks, to you, too!

Hobbit, well, youve taught me to see with my hands, and listen with my rods, and all the other things I never thought could be explained, I am forever your little grasshopper!

The talk here is animated, and passionate which shows we all have a grip on our beliefs, but the best thing is, when it's all said and done, I feel we will go to the very same place, and then we can debate it all we want, but there will be one side who is totally right, and one side who was totally wrong.
No questions at that point, just facts!
At the risk of sounding corny and cheesy, and a bit gay(LOL!) I love you all! :-*
What a great forum where we can find a balance in our relationships with one another, and respect each others beliefs whether we agree or not! Pegasus is numero uno in my book, and you all are right there at the top, too!
And of course...:D....
Thanksto the amazing Zorgon, you have created the perfect forum and site! Well done my friend!
Littleenki

Littleenki, thanks so much for your thoughtful comments, for the several of us!!! You are just "one of the bunch" too. As you say, while not all of us agree on everything, we each can helpfully contribute in the many different subject discussions, here at the PRC.

My heart certainly does go out to Undo, because of the drastic issues she has had to deal with, that likely would have been the death of many of us. And, as Linda said, "Undo is still here", having come through it all, and I do thank God for that! He must still have things for her to do!!!

If she hadn't come through it, then she would not be here to "super gripe", and we would be talking about something else, a lot less worthwhile!!! And there is a lot of good for each and all of us in this thread, to learn from, for positive personal growth. A shorter way to say that is - - Undo's super gripe is our gain!!  ;D

Enki, thanks for the friendly hugs!!

Littleenki,

every so often, when i think of this place, the thought crosses my mind that i gotta get me some of that happy juice you're drinking.   (not saying you're drinking, just saying you're a happy fellow unless you start talking about religion and then it all goes to hell in a handbasket).

i'll be like cruising along, reading one of your posts and WHAM! smack into an incomprehensible shift, from littleenki who loves and forgives everybody, to littleenki who seems to be intent on keeping it forever in his head that religious people  do dumb things (like everyone else on the planet) and the examples listed are almost always slights against christianity in particular.  it's not like we don't know that already, so the only rationale i can think of for it, is that something bad happened to you.  i'm afraid to ask what it was, cause then i'd have to be mad at them too. and then have to go threw that whole process of forgiveness too.

i honestly don't know what to make of your posts. they are confusing.  when the bible gets like that, i assume it's because it's written by people and they put their own slant on the subject either when it happened, or later when it's translated and even later when it's retranslated, resulting in confusing moments.

  in your case, perhaps your head is arguing with your heart.  we all know in our hearts that the human race is frequently a broken mess but also a beautiful creation.  how these two things co-exist without us all being looney tunes, is beyond my capacity to decipher.  but to isolate out only one type of world view as inherently bad, and by virtue of its application, creates even more flawed followers, leaders, etc, that seems counter to all the other information, et.al, that we are flawed but also beautiful creations, capable of great love and abysmal failure.  why are christians in particular, such a sore spot for you?  *winces in preparation for potentially bad news*

Being unpredictable is also a grand gift Littleenki.
Linda

Quote from: Linda Brown on May 21, 2012, 05:30:24 AM
Being unpredictable is also a grand gift Littleenki.
Linda

no leading the interviewee. :D

Quote from: undo11 on May 20, 2012, 09:03:56 PM
ama,

i missed this part cause i have this like seething anger of being blamed for stuff other people did or do.  i'm sick and tired of it and i'm pretty sure everyone else is as well.  we just need to apply this all around and not leave some people out of the equation by perpetuating the myth that "Christians" did this or that, when there's not one ounce of proof that the people doing it, were actually christians.

yes indeedy, there is someone doing it, but who is the question.  for example, did you read the "all roads lead to rome" thread on ats?  do you think he's right?

Yes, I did read that.  And yes.  My evaluation is that Rome "owns" the planet and is orchestrating things from behind the scene.  But that those who are the true orchestrators are NOT of Christ Consciousness.

And so...  Are You saying that You think We here at this forum are blaming You for what People centuries ago did?  Is that why You're taking Your anger out on Us?  Am I following that correctly?

I personally NEVER blame anyOne for anything They didn't personally choose to do.  I suspect none here do either.  So though We may grasp the manipulation of People through organized religion and make statements to that effect, We are not in any way reflecting it upon You.

here's a riddle i can't quite figure out. 

one day while reading ats, i came across a thread written by a lady who claimed that a reptilian-like or dragon-like spirit being was sexual assaulting her without her approval, because, she claimed, she was producing some kind of chemical energy that the dragon was sustained by.

her description was pretty intense.  i thought that was the biggest crock of bull crap i had ever heard, that is, until it started to dawn on me that there miight be something to it, just not exactly the way she explained it or understood it, herself.

what really bugged me was that she said it was racial, and that only white women of a certain lineage, had the necessary dna to produce the chemical.  typically they were caucasian with red hair and green eyes.  i still didn't make any connections to what she was saying because i was so caught up in trying to prove her wrong that any possible connections, flew right under my radar.   

she then claimed that the great whore of babylon, riding on the red dragon, from the book of revelation, was just an indicator of how the priestly classes dealt with this "intimate" connection between the dragon race and the special human females. rather than seeing it as an interesting cross dimensional event, they viewed it as filthy and obnoxious, and so women who had this chemical, were called whores and not just whores but great whores.

this made zero sense to me because the text she was referring to said that the great whore of babylon was a religious city. and that the dragon represented seven hills that the great whore sat on.  now i knew from my earlier studies on eschatology, that the great whore was the religious city of rome, so why was this lady claiming it was white women? then it came to me.   the connections started to congeal. she was saying white "christian" women were the great whore. and what does the dragon think of the great whore ?  he hates her, it says in the text and as a result, burns her to death.  now why would a dragon, who is, presumably, against the wishes of the human female sexually assaulting her because she provides a necessary chemical, also hate her?  that was a real head scratcher.


but wait, isnt it just a city?  according to this lady it is not.  women, particularly white christian women, are great whores because that's the langauge the talmudists, torahists and muslims used to describe women who are comprised by "dragons."  she based part of that off the teachings of some royal from england who documented the use of what he called "starfire", which was essentially a chemical present in menustral blood that the ancient "god" kings drank, like a sort of ambrosia. 

but what happens when there's no menustration?  all that remains is water.  and thus we have the water of life.  the chemical soup prepared by a woman's body minus the menustral blood.  yet the great whore of babylon was famous for holding a cup full of blood, a "grail", if you will, which technically speaking is supposed to represent the blood of all the christians the great whore has killed. 

how does a single or even several, menustrating white women cause the deaths of innocent people ?  it just doesn't make sense but this is the type of twisting and creative editing people do with the text of ancient history, to try to come up with an excuse, any excuse to kill each other or justify the killing of each other.  it's bizarro land.

even if she was partially right, how does that end up reflecting on me as a white woman of european descent?  does it make me special? don't sound like it. does it even make me normal? nada.  sounds like it's meant to make me into a subhuman, mischaracterize me as lacking faith or spirituality, depicting me as a murderer and a slut, when i've only had one husband my entire life and never killed anyone. what is up with that? 

well, i watched a video some time after reading that thread, that claimed the offspring of jesus via mary magdalene, supposedly came to the usa, and that's the whore reference since magdalene was a prostitute when jesus met her.
doh.  even if all this stuff were true, i get right back to WHY. 

according to the lady in that thread, we were created by the dragon race for the sole purpose of providing them this chemical energy food. so after they have dinner, they burn the food source?  that makes no sense.  there is something really sinister going on and i intend to find out what. 

My first reaction is   WHY?

Why do you intend to find out ANYTHING about what you have just written here? Isn't this just another example of manifesting this mindset?????.....

WHY are you allowing yourself to be drawn into this? ( I am not telling you not to go there... I am simply saying.... question first! There is much at work here.)

Are you sure that your energies could not be spent in a more productive direction?

Questions I ask myself all the time because I see myself drawn into trying to uncover dark mysteries too. But I do try to be tough on myself... constantly asking..... WHY am I doing this? WHY does it mean so much to me?

It might be a good thing for you to do too. Otherwise you might find that some other energy is simply using you as their tool.   Linda

Quote from: undo11 on May 21, 2012, 03:58:43 PM
how does a single or even several, menustrating white women cause the deaths of innocent people ?  it just doesn't make sense but this is the type of twisting and creative editing people do with the text of ancient history, to try to come up with an excuse, any excuse to kill each other or justify the killing of each other.  it's bizarro land.

The language is symbolic and refers to Tantric Sex Magick.

Quotenobody is out to get you here.

i know this. what i'm pointing out is, the frequent condemnation of christianity and/or religion in general, and the stereotyping of all its members as crazed, violent, idiotic puppets and pedophiles, while in earshot of one or more of its members is certainly not indicative of people who like or respect that aspect of who i am.  i'm not crazed, atm. i'm not violent (other than video game violence),not an idiot, and not a pedophile.  all manner of world views have similar problems. there are pedophile atheists, violent atheists, crazed athesits, idiotic atheists, and there are just normal atheists, not violent, sometimes violent, not stupid, sometimes stupd, etc. in effect, other human beings just like everybody else, religious or not.  i know this is hard for you understand but just because i say i'm a christian doesn't mean i'm interested in being a martyr.  i'm complaining because i don't want to be a martyr, not because i do.

i refuse any attempt by you or anyone else, to blame me for what you or anyone else is trying to do that may or may not hurt me as another human being but like it or not, I AM A HUMAN BEING. 

Just got this tweet:  "Religion divides, spirituality unites."-Zor.  I presume that's Zoroaster...

Quote from: Amaterasu on May 21, 2012, 07:22:59 PM
Just got this tweet:  "Religion divides, spirituality unites."-Zor.  I presume that's Zoroaster...

sigh, i realize this ama. the issue is, christianity is not talked about by people who don't like it, as if it were a spiritual belief system. rather they make dirty laundry lists like 1worldwatcher did, pointing out human character flaws and then acting as if these flaws were the sole purview of christians with psychological problems, which is just an easy way of saying: if you don't like how we talk about your belief, tough cookies.  if you reply that you don't like it, we'll just come up with yet another negative stereotype to paste on you.  in fact, i just earned a list of stereotypes, which are capable of being applied in varying degrees to everyone on the planet.  yet, i'm apparently manifesting these things exclusively because i'm asking people on this site to please stop stereotyping christians and religious people into one big vat of not good subhumans.

what is so hard to understand about that?

This is slightly off topic, but YOU introduced it.
Video violence.
We are co creators of whatever We feed into this planets field.
If an animal requires to grow a very long togue, then it THINKS of this until eventually it's tongue elongates.
Millions of youngsters of multiple different organised religions are been force fed violence.....and so it will be.

Church congregations are shrinking down to negliagable, whils such as the muslims are employing satalite technology to time the five times a day prayers, all perfectly inputting at the self same time, as the churchs used to achieve.

The planet is a living entity that reacts to the inputs downloaded into its field, thats why such as 9/11 was orchestrated to achieve the input from hundreds of millions to seek revenge and murder, and so it was.
From all I have gleaned of organised religions , those who know about this have manipulated people to achieve their agendas.
Now a different  and far more powerfull a method has been created, and the young have the most powerfull of personal fields to input what they are concentrating upon..
REAP AS YOU SOW.
hobbit

for any reading this that think we manifest into our reality, what we ask for: WHY IN THE SAM HILL CAN'T I GET PEOPLE TO STOP ACTING LIKE I HAVE SPIRITUAL HERPES when i have asked like a kajillion times between here and ATS, that people at least try to address the actual culprits of the problem without the application of stereotypes?  it never works. 

this type of systematic downgrading, has negative effects on humans.  the people who started this mindset in motion, know that.  they are giving religious people an ultimatum: either leave your religion or expect this type of treatment to continue and accelerate.  and that's what i'm pointing out now. i don't like ultimatums. i have my own brain, thank you very much, and i'm hoping you do as well.   please try to consider addressing prepetrators of crimes individually, not as groups. 

i don't sit around looking for reasons to condemn other world views.  i don't ask if the crime was committed by an atheist or a pagan or whatnot.  and even if it was, i wouldn't assume it was indicative of their belief system. 

i totally understand why some people are not happy with religion. there are lots of things to be unhappy about, in fact.  but the people are not the religion and the religion is not the individual. underneath all that social engineering there's a real human being, not a stereotype, and each has their own issues they bring to the table which are unique and varied. 

Quote from: hobbit on May 21, 2012, 07:55:19 PM
This is slightly off topic, but YOU introduced it.
Video violence.
We are co creators of whatever We feed into this planets field.
If an animal requires to grow a very long togue, then it THINKS of this until eventually it's tongue elongates.
Millions of youngsters of multiple different organised religions are been force fed violence.....and so it will be.

Church congregations are shrinking down to negliagable, whils such as the muslims are employing satalite technology to time the five times a day prayers, all perfectly inputting at the self same time, as the churchs used to achieve.

The planet is a living entity that reacts to the inputs downloaded into its field, thats why such as 9/11 was orchestrated to achieve the input from hundreds of millions to seek revenge and murder, and so it was.
From all I have gleaned of organised religions , those who know about this have manipulated people to achieve their agendas.
Now a different  and far more powerfull a method has been created, and the young have the most powerfull of personal fields to input what they are concentrating upon..
REAP AS YOU SOW.
hobbit

reaping as i sow?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llGENqOmUHc

soooo what are they doing? 

you are so prejudice, it's leaking out your pores.

Quote from: undo11 on May 21, 2012, 07:57:12 PM
for any reading this that think we manifest into our reality, what we ask for: WHY IN THE SAM HILL CAN'T I GET PEOPLE TO STOP ACTING LIKE I HAVE SPIRITUAL HERPES when i have asked like a kajillion times between here and ATS, that people at least try to address the actual culprits of the problem without the application of stereotypes?  it never works. 

this type of systematic downgrading, has negative effects on humans.  the people who started this mindset in motion, know that.  they are giving religious people an ultimatum: either leave your religion or expect this type of treatment to continue and accelerate.  and that's what i'm pointing out now. i don't like ultimatums. i have my own brain, thank you very much, and i'm hoping you do as well.   please try to consider addressing prepetrators of crimes individually, not as groups. 

i don't sit around looking for reasons to condemn other world views.  i don't ask if the crime was committed by an atheist or a pagan or whatnot.  and even if it was, i wouldn't assume it was indicative of their belief system. 

i totally understand why some people are not happy with religion. there are lots of things to be unhappy about, in fact.  but the people are not the religion and the religion is not the individual. underneath all that social engineering there's a real human being, not a stereotype, and each has their own issues they bring to the table which are unique and varied.

Maybe I am mind reader???

Quote from: hobbit on May 21, 2012, 08:01:21 PM
Maybe I am mind reader???

and what does my mind say?  i can tell you to save you the time! it's saying HELP! Christians are being all stereotyped into one big lump and then killed because they are stereotyped with the worst possible traits of humanity! As if no one else displayed these characteristics! 

that's your last opportunity to make this planet less of a pain in the ass for a person you claim to like.

for those who weren't familar with my stance on scripture:

For the record:

i don't agree with some things the catholic church teaches or taught.

i don't agree with some things the scientific community teaches regarding this mentioned in the bible. whereas other things in science have helped me better understand the bible.   

i don't agree with some things the protestant churches teach, or the mormon church etc.

i don't agree with some things pagan based beliefs teach.

i don't agree with some of my former beliefs and i may find reason in the future not to agree with other points i currently hold.  i have learned not to be so solidly glued to one position that nothing else is valid, although there are some areas i'm adamant about or close to adamant.

i don't believe there's an actual burning hellfire of torment.  i think that's a misunderstanding about the lake of fire references and the lake of fire references i believe, are references to event horizons on wormholes, particularly gated wormholes.

i don't think jesus views homosexuals as any more or less evil than anyone else.  he even points out that even thinking about doing a thing is the equivalent of doing it, in god's sight, so if it's that precise we're all in the same boat.   

i am not a stereotype.  please refrain from lumping me and other people into stereotypes.  thank you.

p.s. and i think all the ancient histories have valid, similar information because it all derives from the same place, although some pieces may have come from beyond earth history, such as other planets.

i've been entertaining the notion that current racial groups are literally from other planets, and that only one race was initially here, and that would be the black african people.   later, other races were brought here thru the gate as slaves, during the expulsion from eden and tower of babel events, and this is what caused the confusion of the languages.   it's a long story but imagine mixing different racial and cultural groups together for the first time.  the confusion would be off the charts.  (and that's what babel means=gate of god, in earlier parlance gate of gods, and in even earlier parlance water gate of the gods, or chaos water gate of the gods, et.al, the abzu)

lol i went to respond to a "hobbit" post, and it vanished!
either that, or i am seeing things now lol

speaking of seeing things.  i'm hearing something outside.  a roaring sound. reminds me of those sounds people have recorded from all over the world.  they've been said to be everything from ufos, to top secret military aircraft, to jet engines firing off at airports, to earthquake precursors, to underground tunneling machines, to street cleaners,  to fracking for oil, to some anomaly of the earth's magnetic field.

if you've ever heard the sound of a washing machine in the spin cycle, that's what it sounds like, but when it approaches it echoes off the atmosphere and sounds like its coming from all directions.  then as it passes over, usually very slowly, it continues to pass sounds around in a circle, until it only comes from overhead. this is the second time i've heard it. the first time, my son and i ran out to see if we could see  what might be causing it.  was a nice sunny day, and we couldn't see a thing. i checked to see if the sound was causing the ground to vibrate, but it wasn't, which is odd since this area is sitting on fossilized coral foundations called something like coquina stone, that's full of holes and water.  you woudl think it'd make the water in the ground oscillate and vibrate, causing the soil to oscillate too.

interesting.

Undo11,
You are correct about the invisable now post by the hobbit....bizzare.
hobbit

Quote from: hobbit on May 21, 2012, 09:25:13 PM
Undo11,
You are correct about the invisable now post by the hobbit....bizzare.
hobbit

clarify please?

Quote from: undo11 on May 21, 2012, 09:31:21 PM
clarify please?

I tend to read My own posts as soon as I post.
Dyslexia rules my posting , but for some reason I can see wrong spellings etc on the type used when posted.
So Yes a post has vanished?????
I must be hitting a nerve????
hobbit

Quote from: hobbit on May 21, 2012, 09:36:14 PM

I must be hitting a nerve????

hitting your own nerve? cause you're the one that removed it.

Quote from: undo11 on May 21, 2012, 08:29:31 PM
for those who weren't familar with my stance on scripture:

For the record:

i don't agree with some things the catholic church teaches or taught.

i don't agree with some things the scientific community teaches regarding this mentioned in the bible. whereas other things in science have helped me better understand the bible.   

i don't agree with some things the protestant churches teach, or the mormon church etc.

i don't agree with some things pagan based beliefs teach.

i don't agree with some of my former beliefs and i may find reason in the future not to agree with other points i currently hold.  i have learned not to be so solidly glued to one position that nothing else is valid, although there are some areas i'm adamant about or close to adamant.

i don't believe there's an actual burning hellfire of torment.  i think that's a misunderstanding about the lake of fire references and the lake of fire references i believe, are references to event horizons on wormholes, particularly gated wormholes.

i don't think jesus views homosexuals as any more or less evil than anyone else.  he even points out that even thinking about doing a thing is the equivalent of doing it, in god's sight, so if it's that precise we're all in the same boat.   

i am not a stereotype.  please refrain from lumping me and other people into stereotypes.  thank you.

Hi Undo! With what you just said, I can see a little more into who you are, and where you are, relative to your "faith". And, your comments touch upon one of the biggest problems in Christianity, that in the end separates us, rather than bringing us together. That is, "Christianity" has evolved to the point of being an umbrella of many "different religions", so to speak. Now, we have the Catholic Church(s) the Protestant Church(s), the Episcopalian Church(s), the Mormon Church(s) and etc. Then within the Protestant Church, we have the Baptist Church(s), the Methodist Church(s), the Church of Christ Church(s), the Pentecostal Church(s), the full Gospel Church(s), and etc..

Everyone of these religious organizations teach and/or preach some form of the Word of God. However, each has decided what the correct interpretation of God's Word is. And that interpretation, in the end, is somewhat different, across the board, with all of these Churches. And that guarantees "misinterpretation", and that is an absolute abomination from Hell itself, and a large cause of confusion and problems, in the World, with Christianity.

So, Undo, with that said, with considerable basis for the factual reality of the actual position of "the Church",  it is no wonder many Christians get off-track, and/or disgusted with themselves and the Church. So many of the Christians today, either belong to a "Pick-and-Choose" Church, or on their own, have become "Pick-and-Choose Christians. Pick-and-Choose Christians/Churches are those that decide what parts of the Word of God they believe and accept, and what parts they don't accept.

Well Undo, you have said pretty directly that there are things in the Word that you don't believe, or accept. I am no expert, but, it is quite possible that some of your problems (which you have mentioned) may be related to some of your positions on God's Word - ie denying what it states. Jesus says in the Word, that there were things he wanted to do, but could not, "because of their unbelief".

The fact of God's word is, it is alive! And for the most part, especially in the new Testament, it is pretty simply stated, in relative understandable words. As Christians. what we all need to do, is to quit listening solely to others about what the Word says. We need to read and study the word ourselves, letting the Holy Spirit in us help with the understanding. 

When Gods Word says a thing directly, there is no reason, nor place, for us to say "I don't believe or accept that!!! God has given us a Christians, "all power", through the Holy Spirit, that he promised to us, as believers. That "power" would be neutralized (for us), by our/any unbelief!!

The Word of God is not up for debate! According to the word:

Matthew 24:35
Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.

Mark 13:31
Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.

Luke 21:33
Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.

yeah but those are jesus' words, not paul's words or john's words. although paul and john were awesome guys, they were just men, equivalent to let's say, moses.  and if you recall, jesus had one heckuva time trying to explain to those who viewed everything moses said as straight from the mouth of god, that such strict adherence to the teachings of men, even inspired men, in opposition to the teachings of god, which are spiritual, is dangerous, and why it is dangerous.  he even gave an example by pointing to how the extreme application lead to things like the comfortable position of assuming women were always at fault if men couldn't contain their own sexual urges.  he laid the real law down on that in a few words.  you are responsible for your own thoughts, not the person who is stepping on your toe or walking by in a bikini. 

he even pointed out how even thinking about doing something wrong was the equivalent of doing it, in god's sight, and as a result, why his advent was even necessary in the first place.

so the only reason you would want to refrain from doing it in the sight of men (since you already screwed it  up in the sight of god, which is what really counts) is to lessen the chances of being a point of negativity for other humans.

some people get hung up on words, real bad.  for example, i had an entire conversation with an atheist gentlemen who had some interest in the teachings of zen buddhism, in which i spoke to him in paraphrased bible scripture. he completely agreed with me.  as soon as i told him it was paraphrased bible scripture, he accused me of being a hindu.  he couldn't handle that he had actually agreed with christian and jewish teachings from the bible, simply put into average every day language. 

some christians do the same thing.  some non-christians do the same thing. etc. i think it's a human proclivity.

Sometimes posts just disappear around here for some unknown reason.

But perhaps they should have been (known) ahead of time.

Quote from: A51Watcher on May 21, 2012, 10:12:14 PM

Sometimes posts just disappear around here for some unknown reason.

But perhaps they should have been (known) ahead of time.

i could go grab it from the deleted posts forum, in fact, i even have a screen grab of it having been deleted by hobbit himself. not sure why he would delete his own post and then insinuate that "he must've hit a nerve" (who's nerve? his own?)

holy toledo, someone is going thru delieting posts from this thread.  i see one of mine in there too and one of 1worldwatcher's, as well.  1ww's was first, mine was second and hobbit's was third.  and it's listed as if we each deleted our own posts.

Sounds like We should get in touch with zorg...

oh and now they have been deleted from the deleted posts forum (threads for review).  but i still have the screen capture of them in the main list.  see attached.

Quote from: Amaterasu on May 21, 2012, 10:26:32 PM
Sounds like We should get in touch with zorg...

agreed! we need to know what IP is deleting posts.

All 'missing' posts still exist and are not deleted.

They are currently in the 'Threads for Review by Mods' forum. Remarks are in the Mod Actions forum.

Quote from: undo11 on May 21, 2012, 10:29:04 PM
agreed! we need to know what IP is deleting posts.

I emailed Him.  Hopefully He'll check the mail soon.

Quote from: A51Watcher on May 21, 2012, 10:41:05 PM

All 'missing' posts still exist and are not deleted.

They are currently in the 'Threads for Review by Mods' forum. Remarks are in the Mod Actions forum.

Ah.  Well.  Never mind.

Also at the same time Zorgon was sent a PM regarding the posts in question.

This is done anytime posts are moved.

Quote from: undo11 on May 21, 2012, 05:23:31 AM
Littleenki,

every so often, when i think of this place, the thought crosses my mind that i gotta get me some of that happy juice you're drinking.   (not saying you're drinking, just saying you're a happy fellow unless you start talking about religion and then it all goes to hell in a handbasket).

le"Honestly, undo, religion is the one thing I dont take with a light typing finger, and never will, but thanks for the caring effort to read my posts completely!"

i'll be like cruising along, reading one of your posts and WHAM! smack into an incomprehensible shift, from littleenki who loves and forgives everybody, to littleenki who seems to be intent on keeping it forever in his head that religious people  do dumb things (like everyone else on the planet) and the examples listed are almost always slights against christianity in particular.  it's not like we don't know that already, so the only rationale i can think of for it, is that something bad happened to you.  i'm afraid to ask what it was, cause then i'd have to be mad at them too. and then have to go threw that whole process of forgiveness too.

Le"I dont love and forgive everybody, though I am a loving person when applicable, but my experiences with religion and religious people in general have been less than "happy" Nothing bad ever happened to me, except for the millions of forefathers who died as a result of religious intolerance for other's beliefs."

i honestly don't know what to make of your posts. they are confusing.  when the bible gets like that, i assume it's because it's written by people and they put their own slant on the subject either when it happened, or later when it's translated and even later when it's retranslated, resulting in confusing moments.

Le"I was taught by a Hobbit, and sometimes can talk in an unusual way, but the message is always as clear as it needs to be."

  in your case, perhaps your head is arguing with your heart.  we all know in our hearts that the human race is frequently a broken mess but also a beautiful creation.  how these two things co-exist without us all being looney tunes, is beyond my capacity to decipher.  but to isolate out only one type of world view as inherently bad, and by virtue of its application, creates even more flawed followers, leaders, etc, that seems counter to all the other information, et.al, that we are flawed but also beautiful creations, capable of great love and abysmal failure.  why are christians in particular, such a sore spot for you?  *winces in preparation for potentially bad news*

I wont elaborate on why any religious group is a sore spot, and it's easier for you to google.."atrocities commited by christians and other religions through history, and you will be reading til that proverbial handbasket is full of stories about the horrors inflicted on the worlds population by those who decided to use their religion as a crutch to lean their hate and intolerance on.

You see, I am the one who is tolerant, as I live every day with people who are supposedly Christian or some other religion, and believe me I meet hundreds of people every week, and get to know many well. I find most to use their religion as a repair patch for their inadequacies, and hate for other religions, and that makes me sick.
There should be little forgiveness for any sins that are on the commandment list, especially,and a few there seem to be the ones most violated by the religious people themselves!
I find many Christians in particular to be fine upstanding people, and its mostly catholics and others that perpetrate these idocies, so the last group I will ever speak lowly of are Christians.

I, of course as I have said, do follow Jesus teachings as closely as possible, and plan to never stop, so if thats a clear picture of where Im coming from great, but if not, like Linda said, a Littleenki can give a Hobbit a run for his money when it comes to mystical writing and underlying meanings!

I do appreciate your interactions here, and find this to be a hot topic if there ever was one, but please dont ever think any comments or quips about Christians are aimed at you or Rdunk, as both of you are true Christians as defined as that can be!However many are not.

I love almost everyone, except for Michael Vick, Stalin, and a few others, but most folks who are crazy, dangerous, or just plain idiots get a pass from me on a daily basis.

All the same, and going to the same place...it's ok with me, hows about you?
Cheers!
Littleenki

Quote from: A51Watcher on May 21, 2012, 10:59:30 PM

Also at the same time Zorgon was sent a PM regarding the posts in question.

This is done anytime posts are moved.

probably not a good idea to remove other people's posts.  free speech and all that.  i might not agree with what they're saying but i want them to decide they like me enough not to think such things in the first place. but for that to happen, i have to explain why it's bad and what i actually believe in the first place, so i'm not  consigned to martyrdom i have already experienced before and don't want to go thru again.

okay to clear up what just happened, a51watcher apparently thought accusing me of being mentally ill, was over the top. so he removed 1worldwatcher's post and my post where i quoted 1worldwatcher. then hobbit's post about me trying to be joan of ark or something,was also deleted presumably because it was inspired by the former comment by 1ww that i was suffering from a messiah or persecution complex, along with all the baggage that goes along with that.  i appreciate his defense, but am concerned that any such defense in a thread of this nature (et.al, removing posts), qualifies as censorship and far be it from me to censor other people.  i would love it if people actually cared enough about me to not encourage and perpetuate the kind of anomosity that is currently all over the place, because (egads) christians are just as human as the next guy, and do silly/dumb/mean things, just like everybody else.  i mean this is a human condition is it not?   

i know why people get frustrated, i just wish the level of frustration currently being pushed all over the place, didn't have all the earmarks of genocide in the making

Quote from: undo11 on May 21, 2012, 11:07:33 PM
probably not a good idea to remove other people's posts.  free speech and all that.  i might not agree with what they're saying but i want them to decide they like me enough not to think such things in the first place. but for that to happen, i have to explain why it's bad and what i actually believe in the first place, so i'm not  consigned to martyrdom i have already experienced before and don't want to go thru again.

Please see mod actions thread.

eta: I see you did. We do not tolerate personal attacks or ad homenim attacks of any kind here at PRC.

We also do not edit posts to remove the offending parts and leave the rest. Entire post is moved.

If anyone posts a personal attack of any kind it will be moved to the Mod review forum and Zorgon notified.

Personal attacks are not free speech.

I don't make the rules here, I just follow them.

Quote from: A51Watcher on May 21, 2012, 11:25:32 PM
Please see mod actions thread.

eta: I see you did. We do not tolerate personal attacks or ad homenim attacks of any kind here at PRC.

We also do not edit posts to remove the offending parts and leave the rest. Entire post is moved.

If anyone posts a personal attack of any kind it will be moved to the Mod review forum and Zorgon notified.

Personal attacks are not free speech.

I don't make the rules here, I just follow them.

well to keep the peace i will not be posting any more threads on this subject in my defense or the defense of other christians.  just wanted to get it out of my system so that when i see similar stuff in posts, i can just either point to this thread, or refuse to respond to the comment. i didn't want to take yet another thread off topic, in which christians are called pedophiles and what not.  it makes no sense to me that only christians who have problems of that nature, are targeted for public humiliation when it's like everywhere, in every world view.  i suppose it's because the text teaches differently, but just cause it teaches differently doesn't mean people who try to follow it or claim they follow, can actually or will actually, do so.  same as anything else. one day you might be an atheist, the next an agnostic, and the next day buddhist and the next day an atheist.  we're all subject to the same human conditions. 

if we weren't, the crimes of those in religion wouldn't sound suspiciously like the crimes of those not in religion. lol

am i not making sense or what? 

I think you are making sense just fine. And the reason behind this thread is perfectly valid.

And I think the others were doing just fine too until they crossed the line.


The lesson here is while debating in any thread on any subject, make your point without personal attacks.

They do nothing to bolster your case and are a sure sign to everyone you are desperate.

I don't know what happened to escalate the discussion to the level that it has reached in the last few hours but I have to say that I have seen this before. Look around you folks CAREFULLY. Do you see what has been happening here?

Look around you folks and be VERY careful not to let these emotions flare into just what I can sense here... This is NOT a force for good working amongst us here....All of you are responding to possibly a button pushed by someone or SOMETHING ELSE . Can you see it operating in between the lines here?????

Don't let this happen. Please.

And Undo..... why is it important to even have the topic of Undos Super Gripe  up there as a topic of discussion? Do you see that it is a door that another force can use to begin causing disruption. Do you see it happening?????

I see the fingerprints of something here that is not welcomed by any of us. Please do not let it get a hold on the discussions that are so valuable here by using each one of you against the other. Steady folks and look.   Linda

Quote from: Linda Brown on May 22, 2012, 12:18:58 AM
I don't know what happened to escalate the discussion to the level that it has reached in the last few hours but I have to say that I have seen this before. Look around you folks CAREFULLY. Do you see what has been happening here?

Look around you folks and be VERY careful not to let these emotions flare into just what I can sense here... This is NOT a force for good working amongst us here....All of you are responding to possibly a button pushed by someone or SOMETHING ELSE . Can you see it operating in between the lines here?????

Undo you said..."just wanted to get it out of my system so that when i see similar stuff in posts, i can just either point to this thread, or refuse to respond to the comment. i didn't want to take yet another thread off topic, " and I wanted to ask WHY was that so important????? Do you see that you are being used here by something BEYOND you?Don't let this happen. Please.

And Undo..... why is it important to even have the topic of Undos Super Gripe  up there as a topic of discussion? Do you see that it is a door that another force can use to begin causing disruption. Do you see it happening????? 

I see the fingerprints of something here that is not welcomed by any of us. Please do not let it get a hold on the discussions that are so valuable here by using each one of you against the other. Steady folks and look.   Linda

Undo said, "Am i not making sense or what?

Undo, you have said a lot in this thread, "Super Gripe"!! You have really made your points, relative to the position of Christians in this world. In fact, the way you describe it,things are pretty much how we are told the "World" would be, by God's Word, in the Bible. So, no surprises here, just the exasperation of it all, which can be a bit bothersome, at times, for some of we Christians.

In my opinion, there have been some good exchanges in this thread, and hopefully all of us have been helped to some extent!! Thank you for posting it.

I am glad to see the attention given to anything that might be considered "getting personal", intended or not. That for sure is a "law" of this forum, to precipitate the level of informed mutual discussion that is a benefit to all of us. This is an element of this forum that I really like, and I credit zorgon for "making it so"!!!  8) 

i've pointed this out before, regarding pedophilia in the roman catholic church. i have a theory that it all started back during the ancient grecian empire which was pagan. at the time, it was something we call pederasty. 

women were just strictly for making new offspring and everything else about the social order was focused on the male human, particularly the male human physique,  and various ways to glorify it in its many stages of maturity, from childhood to adulthood.

the adult male would take on a student, or apprentice, who would learn everything he needed to know about life, from the adult male.  then by the time he was 18, the child was now a man and would go out and find his own apprentice. i think the choir boy thing and incidences of pedophilia is left over from those days. i also think the incidences of pedophilia with young girls in islam, also harkens back to the time when a female was ready to be a wife, the minute she was capable of conceiving, presumably because they had shorter life spans.  girls begin menustrating at almost any age, oftentimes many years shy of being an adult.  this lead to what we in the western world call pedophilia with young females, and forced marriages as well.

wiki's pederasty link
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pederasty_in_ancient_Greece

pedophilia or pederasty was not isolated to the south of europe either.  it was all over the middle, near and far east.  in effect, these are issues that today we frown upon because medically, we have found that such practices are socially destructive and emotionally, physically damaging to young children.  but the practice itself, stems from older pagan social, sexual traditions that just continued on into the priesthoods and religious teachings of other religions.

Undo..... tell me honestly..... what prompted you to post your last message?   Linda

Quote from: Linda Brown on May 22, 2012, 12:34:37 AM
Undo..... tell me honestly..... what prompted you to post your last message?   Linda

a post by littleenki that recounted pedophile priests as being particularly evil.   i'm just pointing out that everything has a reason. it's a theory though. i can't prove it, but since the roman empire took over the grecian empire it seems likely they assimilated the practice, because they both worshipped the same gods anyway and had similar forms of showing that worship. they were neighbors too.  and the men who were priests of the pagan version of the roman empire, became priests of the holy roman empire.   

so although the roman empire was focused on the strength of the nuclear family moreso than the grecian empire, i think pederasty continued on in the priesthood. and isn't that kind thing generational?   

What I am asking is what is inspiring you to pick this particular topic when you should know by any rights at all that this is a highly charged negative subject. Why suddenly have you decided to even answer what Littleenki threw out there.

Who out there in the general populace does not know that the Catholic Church has had some very damaging instances with thier priests. Why do we need to discuss that here? What is it that is so important to mention it and to open the subject? I am asking you because you are the one who is leading this thread... you are the one who decided to " get certain things out in the open so that you would feel better" and I would like to know ..... WHY???

Why is this important for you to say

recounted pedophile priests as being particularly evil.   i'm just pointing out that everything has a reason. it's a theory though. i can't prove it, but since the roman empire took over the grecian empire it seems likely they assimilated the practice,

Every statement does have a reason. What are yours here? I am being tough on you Undo because I believe that the really raw topic buttons that you have.... are being used here outside of your control..... and you don't see it at all.... which concerns me.... both for you and for the future safety of this Forum.

Why is it important to go in this direction when you should know by all rights that it is going to cause dissention and division here??? You have the choice to head in another direction.  Linda

it was littleenki's sudden outburst on the subject, which among other things, discussed  his frustration with religion/religious people.  it was the final straw. not the only straw. i've been picking up various little digs all throughout the forum on the subject. 

personally, i'm not catholic and never have been although i find some of their data to be quite accurate and don't for five seconds think all priests are pedophiles nor that pedophilia is a catholic priest only problem.  to believe that, i would have to ignore the rest of the planet.   

it's very hard for me to defend catholicism but it's easy pie to defend catholics in general.  not that i'm defending pedophliia but the rationale behind it seems to stem back to a socially accepted, common practice of the time when the catholic religion was formed.  if there are pedophile priests in the catholic church, it's my theory that that's where it originated from.

i think this helps elucidate the subject and draw attention to the fact that catholics are also humans and as a result, can display the same character flaws found through out humans everywhere.

We all know that we are flawed individuals. Tell us something else? Tell us all stuff we might NOT know.... Tell us why you decide to use this thread to discuss this in specifics? Do you even know why?

WHY for example did you choose to say this????

not that i'm defending pedophliia but the rationale behind it seems to stem back to a socially accepted, common practice of the time when the catholic religion was formed.  if there are pedophile priests in the catholic church, it's my theory that that's where it originated from.  

I am not going to pick up the little challenge that was thrown down just then because I KNOW THAT YOU ARE NOT DOING IT...... ARE YOU?????  And if not.... WHY did you choose to say that?  Linda

Quote from: Linda Brown on May 22, 2012, 01:18:47 AM
We all know that we are flawed individuals. Tell us something else? Tell us all stuff we might NOT know.... Tell us why you decide to use this thread to discuss this in specifics? Do you even know why?   Linda

yeah because i thought it was time to defend christians.  like littleenki said, just google christian atrocities and you find pages of it.  if i googled other religious atrocities or atheist atrocities, i might find a page or two, but i bet it'd be dwarfed by the sheer magnitude of negative articles about christianity and perhaps islam and judaism.  all abrahmaic religions, which i theorize are actually based on ancient egyptian and sumerian history.

this focus on only christians and or, abrahamic faiths, seems to be a concentrated effort, and i wanted to ask the people here, who claim to be my friends, to not feed it anymore because, it's really hard to take anything you say seriously if at the same time you're stereotyping me and trying constantly to make me appear to be subhuman, crazy, or any variation inbetween.  you got about five seconds to tell me what is you want to know, specifically, before i have a meltdown of my own. 

this is the video game i play (i usually play a healer, typically a paladin but i also have a druid and a priest), and no i'm not a pedophile.  notice the people playing are all adult males, some appear to be in their 30s-40s, one looks like he might even be in his 50s.    but women also play it.  my daughter in law plays it, but she plays a healer too, so when we group, i have to play something else. so i play tank, usually.  i prefer healing though.  because being female, i prefer to heal things rather than break them.  sue enki if you don't like it. lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDI-ODn6VMI

QuoteI am not going to pick up the little challenge that was thrown down just then because I KNOW THAT YOU ARE NOT DOING IT...... ARE YOU?????  And if not.... WHY did you choose to say that?  Linda

that makes no sense at all.  what challenge? i didn't put a challenge down, i just showed you what my research showed me.  i was reading about female infanticide and found out that the ancient greeks had a pederastic society in which female children were often killed at birth because males were so highly revered. at the time, i didn't even know what pederasty was, so i read up on it.   then one day while reading ats, i noticed a guy complaining about pedophile priests and it dawned on me that maybe some priests in the original catholic church had inherited it generationally and it just kept going in the ones who didn't quit doing it.

where are you reading this "other" thing from? are you suggesting i'm possessed?

here's some of the data that started my research on the subject

"Female infanticide is the intentional killing of baby girls due to the preference for male babies and from the low value associated with the birth of females." (Marina Porras, "Female Infanticide and Foeticide".) It should be seen as a subset of the broader phenomenon of infanticide, which has also targeted the physically or mentally handicapped, and infant males (alongside infant females or, occasionally, on a gender-selective basis). As with maternal mortality, some would dispute the assigning of infanticide or female infanticide to the category of "genocide" or, as here, "gendercide." Nonetheless, the argument advanced in the maternal mortality case-study holds true in this case as well: governments and other actors can be just as guilty of mass killing by neglect or tacit encouragement, as by direct murder. R.J. Rummel buttresses this view, referring to infanticide as

    another type of government killing whose victims may total millions ... In many cultures, government permitted, if not encouraged, the killing of handicapped or female infants or otherwise unwanted children. In the Greece of 200 B.C., for example, the murder of female infants was so common that among 6,000 families living in Delphi no more than 1 percent had two daughters. Among 79 families, nearly as many had one child as two. Among all there were only 28 daughters to 118 sons. ... But classical Greece was not unusual. In eighty-four societies spanning the Renaissance to our time, "defective" children have been killed in one-third of them. In India, for example, because of Hindu beliefs and the rigid caste system, young girls were murdered as a matter of course. When demographic statistics were first collected in the nineteenth century, it was discovered that in "some villages, no girl babies were found at all; in a total of thirty others, there were 343 boys to 54 girls. ... n Bombay, the number of girls alive in 1834 was 603."

Rummel adds: "Instances of infanticide ... are usually singular events; they do not happen en masse. But the accumulation of such officially sanctioned or demanded murders comprises, in effect, serial massacre. Since such practices were so pervasive in some cultures, I suspect that the death toll from infanticide must exceed that from mass sacrifice and perhaps even outright mass murder." (Rummel, Death by Government, pp. 65-66.)

http://www.gendercide.org/case_infanticide.html

does anybody want to enlighten me as to what linda is trying to say since she won't elaborate on it?

Undo

i really shouldn't step in here..but she's been all over the place insinuating that someone is trying to take over our little febble brains , that we are being influeneced and this big bad influence
will ruin this awesome forum ..just like he did her's when it was the hut

personally i have a strong belief and knowledge that what you think about most shows up in your life...
and who is drawing this negetive energy to here...
well it ain't me babe
i'm rockin
;)

'nuff said

8)

Quote from: sky otter on May 22, 2012, 02:40:28 AM

personally i have a strong belief and knowledge that what you think about most shows up in your life...
and who is drawing this negetive energy to here...

eek. no i mostly think about how i'm gonna need to buy an extra stack of mana potions on the video game auction house so i don't run of mana while healing a dungeon group run. 0r that i need more honor points so i can get that extra piece of socketed armor for the next level bracket.

  just when i encounter negative stuff about christians on either a constant or near constant basis, does it start to get to me.

Quote from: sky otter on May 22, 2012, 02:40:28 AM
Undo

.but she's been all over the place insinuating that someone is trying to take over our little febble brains , that we are being influeneced and this big bad influence
will ruin this awesome forum ..just like he did her's when it was the hut

oh dear. i think i'll just avoid negative subjects, for linda's sake.  she's probably shell shocked from that experience.

linda,

you have my apology for freaking you out. 
i'll try to avoid making any more comments about what bugs me about life, while posting in the forum, for your sake, as i think you need some time to heal from your past experiences. 
sorry for being a source of concern.  you have to admit though if all the negative press was focused only on people who own horses, or  dentures or whatever,  you'd be freaking out too.  what we got here, is 2 womens freaking out simultaneously for different reasons.  my bad. 

For someone who has been doing a whole lot of talking here on these posts and expecting others to do a whole lot of listening and understanding.... you really have no concept of what is going on here, do you?
"you have my apology for freaking you out. 
i'll try to avoid making any more comments about what bugs me about life, while posting in the forum, for your sake, as i think you need some time to heal from your past experiences. 
sorry for being a source of concern.  you have to admit though if all the negative press was focused only on people who own horses, or  dentures or whatever,  you'd be freaking out too.  what we got here, is 2 womens freaking out simultaneously for different reasons.  my bad.   « Last Edit: Today at 06:59:50 PM by undo11 » Report

Not a clue.   Linda

care to elaborate?  only if you think talking about it, will make you feel better.   i've promised not to talk about anything negative, so if it turns negative i will try to make positive comments in response.

It would make me feel a whole lot better.

Undo you said......

care to elaborate?  only if you think talking about it, will make you feel better.   i've promised not to talk about anything negative, so if it turns negative i will try to make positive comments in response.

I thank you VERY much for that. All I could ask of you.
A single candle in the darkness makes it impossible for the darkness to take over. You may think I am being overly dramatic. At this point I don't care what some think.... I will take you at your word that you will guard against the negative side of conversations. Thats all I needed to hear from you. You are a POWERFUL force for good Undo......Please do not let powers unseen take that away from you.

Linda

np! and you're welcome.
it suddenly dawned on me that i wasn't the only person wounded in the room. lol 
eh, i chalk it up to old age.  that's my excuse and i'm trying not to stick with it but it just keeps popping up saying "you're old, nah nah nah nah boo boo."

Thank you Undo. No..... you are not the only one wounded in the room.... and you are not alone either.

Hey.... getting old is awful.....but we are here.... and we can make the time we have count!

Thanks again.   Linda

Quote from: Linda Brown on May 22, 2012, 03:46:24 AM
Thank you Undo. No..... you are not the only one wounded in the room.... and you are not alone either.

Hey.... getting old is awful.....but we are here.... and we can make the time we have count!

Thanks again.   Linda

well here's a happy shopper i painted, that makes me laugh every time i see it for some reason.  she's an intergalactic antique shopper who has just discovered a rare antique on Tatooine (planet in the star wars universe). i imagine that somewhere out there, the technology is advanced enough that people can shop all over the universe and find rare items that tickle their fancy.  i know i know, an earth-based concept but ya never know!

see attached

Made me laugh right out loud.

When in pain............. SHOP.................

Got my vote!!!!! and thanks...... Linda

Quote from: undo11 on May 22, 2012, 03:58:44 AM
well here's a happy shopper i painted, that makes me laugh every time i see it for some reason.  she's an intergalactic antique shopper who has just discovered a rare antique on Tatooine (planet in the star wars universe). i imagine that somewhere out there, the technology is advanced enough that people can shop all over the universe and find rare items that tickle their fancy.  i know i know, an earth-based concept but ya never know!

see attached

I know why you laugh everytime you see you see this painting! It is obviously a very well done "self-image"! And, she is probably doing what you like to do!

Nice painting!

thanks. :D
my mom was an antique fan. she passed away a couple years ago just a few months shy of 90 years of age.   i am not so much a fan of antiques but i do love to study ancient texts and cultures and could very easily be persuaded to collect ancient  artifacts if such a thing were legal, but it ain't and i guess, some artifacts should, in the famous words of lady galadriel, "stay buried" (she was referring to the one ring, which i liken to the star gate idea). if i found something like i'd be trying to figure out where it could be hidden so it wouldn't be opened, subjecting us all to who knows what.

anyway, that's a different subject. 
she kinda reminds me of a grown up version of pipi longstockings. remember her?

Quoteshe kinda reminds me of a grown up version of pipi longstockings. remember her?

not reeeeaaaallllly! I do know of which you speak, but was not into that - probably would have been more of a mom and kids thing! :))

Nice work, Beth!  Wish I was that skilled!

Undo... you worry about the future yet you shouldn't . You have just helped take one of the first steps toward the future that you want to see.... and  everyone else here who has commented so wisely....They have all been a part of it! Its an enormous accomplishment!   Linda

Quote from: undo11 on May 21, 2012, 09:38:34 PM
hitting your own nerve? cause you're the one that removed it.

Say sowry, cos I don't have a clue how to remove any posts, as I see You now know who did though....why????
Maybe this A51watcher has a liking for removing posts???
Here's a little steam train on the move from pennsylvania a mikado.
it's all black.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptQ2Q80CTrs
hobbit

I can't see your Utube Hobbit but I can guess.

I tip my hat.... or if I were driving a carriage I would touch my driving whip to the brim. Well done sir.
Steam trains have a hard time when there is no steam.

Linda

Quote from: hobbit on May 22, 2012, 06:31:30 AM
Say sowry, cos I don't have a clue how to remove any posts, as I see You now know who did though....why????
Maybe this A51watcher has a liking for removing posts???
Here's a little steam train on the move from pennsylvania a mikado.
it's all black.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptQ2Q80CTrs
hobbit

i'm sorry and i don't think A51 meant any wrong by it, probably just trying to stop any potential name calling from starting as it was getting close.  one of the problems is that religion is such a sore spot.  i should know that by now, but was hoping (foolishly i might add) that it wouldn't be as much of an issue here.   and it really isn't, just occassionally.  add to occassionally, the incidents i see elsewhere. i log onto world of warcraft and the trade chat occassionally erupts to a christian bashing frenzy. later, when i log off and read the news, and see more and watch youtube videos and see a video down the side about more and more and more and .....i mean asking me to not believe in something that is, from all appearances, harmless (how scary is jesus ?  the guy says forgive everyone, love everyone, doesn't sound like a bad idea. hehe), or face persecution or death or harrassment or constant demeaning.  really now.   not gonna happen. lol

so anyway, yeah i'm sorry.

Quote from: rdunk on May 22, 2012, 04:12:25 AM
I know why you laugh everytime you see you see this painting! It is obviously a very well done "self-image"! And, she is probably doing what you like to do!

Nice painting!

i like the colors and patterns and style, but i realized after i painted it that her 3 braids were 666 backwards lol creeped me out.  i guess backwards 666 is the opposite of forwards 666. yeah, that's the ticket!  lol

Quote from: undo11 on May 22, 2012, 07:13:30 AM
i like the colors and patterns and style, but i realized after i painted it that her 3 braids were 666 backwards lol creeped me out.  i guess backwards 666 is the opposite of forwards 666. yeah, that's the ticket!  lol

6 backwards is 9.
Put them together and You have yin and yang.
Or in christian terms ..a fish type 8.
There is no light without darkness.

Ever been in a masonic lodge???
A black and white checkerboard floor .
Two towers.
Tesla balls atop.
Oh! of course not, You are female.

Ever played chess????, on a black and white checkerboard with opposing players of black and white.
Each side has a king, but the queen has more power.

The ultimate aim is to entrap the king, but keep a watchfull eye on the queen.
I feel as though We are entering Alice's domain now, where TIME stops.
hobbit

i had a theory that the two pillars represented the ascending and descending radiation jets from the center of a quasar (active galaxy), because these are mentioned twice in the book of enoch while he's on a tour of the universe or something. lol that's one interesting story.

i know the traditional description.  i did some research on it but didn't get real indepth.  just enough that i noticed, well, here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=TCHJZsETztI#t=51s

Quotekeep a watchfull eye on the queen

oh man, i hope you're not referring to me.  lol i'm about as queenly as a stick of chewing gum, being chewed by toothless gums.  seriously. if you think i'm dangerous, you're in for a surprise.  lol

Quote from: undo11 on May 22, 2012, 07:54:32 AM
i had a theory that the two pillars represented the ascending and descending radiation jets from the center of a quasar (active galaxy), because these are mentioned twice in the book of enoch while he's on a tour of the universe or something. lol that's one interesting story.

i know the traditional description.  i did some research on it but didn't get real indepth.  just enough that i noticed, well, here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=TCHJZsETztI#t=51s

Geometry.
Square and compass, the ALL seeing eye.
Fibonacci.
It takes two to tango.
55/34....this planet.
Imposion/explosion.
The net difference ...1.618/.618

The implosion called ( by men) male, the explosion female.
http://www.ancientegyptonline.co.uk/eye.html
FIBONACCI SPIRAL.
Ark of the covenant....contained a rod, arrons rod, cut whilst in bloom.
That is a dowsing rod , cut whilst the trees celluler resonanace structure is shaped to attract the implosion, to fertilise the buds.
( ORBS)

hobbit

Quote from: hobbit on May 22, 2012, 08:23:30 AM
Geometry.
Square and compass, the ALL seeing eye.
Fibonacci.
It takes two to tango.
55/34....this planet.
Imposion/explosion.
The net difference ...1.618/.618

The implosion called ( by men) male, the explosion female.
http://www.ancientegyptonline.co.uk/eye.html
FIBONACCI SPIRAL.
Ark of the covenant....contained a rod, arrons rod, cut whilst in bloom.
That is a dowsing rod , cut whilst the trees celluler resonanace structure is shaped to attract the implosion, to fertilise the buds.
( ORBS)

hobbit

sooooooo, you're not going to answer my question.  you're going to leave me sitting here, thinking you're spying on me because you think i'm dangerous.  lol answer the question, hob. :D

here, better yet, what am i doing right now?

Quote from: undo11 on May 22, 2012, 09:48:19 AM
sooooooo, you're not going to answer my question.  you're going to leave me sitting here, thinking you're spying on me because you think i'm dangerous.  lol answer the question, hob. :D

here, better yet, what am i doing right now?

Do I smell microwave popcorn? :D
Hows this for a 666 reference, what I call the Oh No Man...a chaldni pattern that forms at exactly 666 Hz.

Quote from: undo11 on May 22, 2012, 09:48:19 AM
here, better yet, what am i doing right now?

Errrrrr...... typing what am I doing right now. :D

Quote from: Littleenki on May 22, 2012, 01:31:31 PM
Do I smell microwave popcorn? :D
Hows this for a 666 reference, what I call the Oh No Man...a chaldni pattern that forms at exactly 666 Hz.

nope. allergic to popcorn

Quote from: Pimander on May 22, 2012, 02:43:20 PM
Errrrrr...... typing what am I doing right now. :D

lol!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXozZ7JhTRs

Quote from: undo11 on May 22, 2012, 07:48:49 PM
lol!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXozZ7JhTRs

Where's the hobbits?????
hobbit

Quote from: undo11 on May 22, 2012, 07:45:13 PM
nope. allergic to popcorn

I was saying that because I smelled something burning!LOL!
Like popcorn, but maybe something else.Oh dear it was my grilled cheese sandwich....Oh Nooooooooo!
I cant imagine not having popcorn in my life....Im so sorry!
Le

Quote from: hobbit on May 22, 2012, 08:00:08 PM
Where's the hobbits?????
hobbit

Probably still in the original fairytale! :))

Quote from: rdunk on May 22, 2012, 08:47:58 PM
Probably still in the original fairytale! :))

Fairies are real, just in 4D, not the dense 3D.
hobbit

And Hobbits can be anywhere. They  might surprise you
rdunk. This is a surprising world.

And Littleenki..... others might miss the popcorn thing but I don't! Are you cooking outside? Is the fire extinquisher handy?   ::) Linda

Quote from: Linda Brown on May 22, 2012, 09:06:39 PM
And Hobbits can be anywhere. They  might surprise you
rdunk. This is a surprising world.

And Littleenki..... others might miss the popcorn thing but I don't! Are you cooking outside? Is the fire extinquisher handy?   ::) Linda

And what if there is a comms system in 4D, that hobbits atune to?
4D s invisable to the dense 3Ders, and their sensors.
Nothing in 3D would be able to detect 4D, except 4D based systems.
In plain sight, but invisable.
hobbit

Fairies are real, just in 4D, not the dense 3D.

hummmmmm well since i have seen a few i guess i'm multi-dimensional.. ;D

Quote from: Linda Brown on May 22, 2012, 09:06:39 PM
And Hobbits can be anywhere. They  might surprise you
rdunk. This is a surprising world.

Yes, I get a surprise pretty often, in this world we live in!

Would you happen to know whether hobbits and leprechauns are related?  ;)

Quote from: Littleenki on May 22, 2012, 08:39:59 PM
I was saying that because I smelled something burning!LOL!
Like popcorn, but maybe something else.Oh dear it was my grilled cheese sandwich....Oh Nooooooooo!
I cant imagine not having popcorn in my life....Im so sorry!
Le

can't eat shrimp, lobster, clams, crabs, oysters, peanuts, chestnuts, walnuts, pecans, pistachios, almonds, hazelnuts, eggs, peanut butter, corn, popcorn, and nope, nothing burning. 

so anyway, i'm kind enough (lol) to stop talking about negative stuff, for linda's sake and in return, you try to freak me out by making me believe hobbit is remote viewing and/or hacking my computer. won't tell me otherwise, and instead, exacerbate it further by adding extra little weird comments.  thanks alot.

I didn't catch the thought that he was remote viewing OR hacking your computer. But I can be really dense sometimes.... sometimes being a little less sensitive is a good thing Beth.....Just a view from my side of things,

Linda

Quote from: Linda Brown on May 22, 2012, 10:20:41 PM
I didn't catch the thought that he was remote viewing OR hacking your computer. But I can be really dense sometimes.... sometimes being a little less sensitive is a good thing Beth.....Just a view from my side of things,

Linda

oh he said it earlier, about entering a chess game and keeping track of mikado.  he thinks a51watcher is being controlled by mikado and is, i'm guessing, the "king" in a chess game like the one in alice in wonderland, and since i'm the only female (thus far) you've accused of being remotely controlled by mikado, i'm guessing that makes me the "queen" in the chess game. 

sorry but this is not alice in wonderland and i'm not the queen, and mikado is not remotely controlling me.  lol  you are not the queen either. you're linda brown.  so call off the hobbit viewer.  i like my privacy.  alot. 

quickly, please.  i don't think it's very considerate of you or hobbit, to put this kind of pressure on me.  even if he can't remote view himself out of a paper bag, it's just the idea that someone wants to invade your privacy and sanctuary without an invite, that makes it very offensive, particularly since we had just buried the hatchet.  i think you need to inform your guardians if you want to make'em peace'um.  either that, or i'm gonna have to chalk it up to harrassment.

Quote from: undo11 on May 22, 2012, 10:36:50 PM
oh he said it earlier, about entering a chess game and keeping track of mikado.  he thinks a51watcher is being controlled by mikado and is, i'm guessing, the "king" in a chess game like the one in alice in wonderland, and since i'm the only female (thus far) you've accused of being remotely controlled by mikado, i'm guessing that makes me the "queen" in the chess game. 

sorry but this is not alice in wonderland and i'm not the queen, and mikado is not remotely controlling me.  lol  you are not the queen either. you're linda brown.  so call off the hobbit viewer.  i like my privacy.  alot.

Remember what the dormouse said?????
Lewis Carrol was actually Charles lutwidge Dodgson, chair of mathmatics at Oxford for 26 years.
He was the caterpillar on top of the magic mushroom smoking his pipe.

How would YOU write about tripping into 4D???
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x62pEAgAdTM

hobbit

Quote from: hobbit on May 22, 2012, 11:00:52 PM
Remember what the dormouse said?????
Lewis Carrol was actually Charles lutwidge Dodgson, chair of mathmatics at Oxford for 26 years.
He was the caterpillar on top of the magic mushroom smoking his pipe.

How would YOU write about tripping into 4D???
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x62pEAgAdTM

hobbit

sorry, no double jeopardy. been there, done that, have the scar tissue to prove it.  now knock it off.

Undo..... You have lost me entirely....whatever you think Hobbit and I are doing., centering around YOU ... We are not.

Is that good enough for you?

And now.... I really don't see the need for me personally to be involved in a topic thread that is entitled " Unos Super Gripe"..... so I agree with you and consider it " knocked off"   :)

Linda

Quote from: Linda Brown on May 22, 2012, 11:13:35 PM
Undo..... You have lost me entirely....whatever you think Hobbit and I are doing.... We are not.

Is that good enough for you?

Linda

better ask him, cause he's the one that said it.  i'm not mikado nor controlled by mikado.   i'm a person of the female persuasion, just like you, that has been thru some awful stuff that started with the exact same ALICE IN WONDERLAND, white rabbit shi t and ended with me in a coma after being tortured "remotely" for several months.  call him off before i get pissed.

NOW!

i'm not kidding.  this is not a joke.

Not responding.... and Hobbit..... if you are reading this...lets leave Undo alone. 

Linda

thank you.   

i was working on solving a puzzle book called "treasure in search of understanding" at the time.  the author's name was "the white rabbit."  it was a "treasure hunt."  really, i think it was an invitation to a deadly "remote viewing" party where your the guest of honor and it's how the rich psychos entertain themselves. don't be pulling that crap here. 

hobbit?  you gonna stop bugging me now?

Quote from: undo11 on May 22, 2012, 11:37:56 PM
hobbit?  you gonna stop bugging me now?

It ain't Me babe.
The intent is to cause division, it is clearly working.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZsquODzd1E&feature=fvsr
full stop.
hobbit

I'm not a fan of organized religion.  I have my reasons for that.  As far as I know though, people worlwide still put their pantyhose on one leg at a time.  Or whatever the equivalent is for them.  We're still carbon based life forms.

Shasta

It ain't Me babe.
The intent is to cause division, it is clearly working.

Undo.....I recognize your outrage.... and whether I show it or not..... I share it!.... but one of the first things anyone who is being attacked has to learn is..... the identity of the attacker.

As Hobbit just said.... it wasn't him.  Please believe him.... Its not me.either.... and the others around you who honor you so much and have said so..... its not them.... Help all of us identify the enemy. Then we can do something about it.     Linda

Quote from: Shasta56 on May 24, 2012, 03:03:29 PM
I'm not a fan of organized religion.  I have my reasons for that.  As far as I know though, people worlwide still put their pantyhose on one leg at a time.  Or whatever the equivalent is for them.  We're still carbon based life forms.

Shasta

I don't put pantyhose on one leg at time,
Both legs at once in My mans world, honey.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mL7n5mEmXJo
hobbit

Quote from: Linda Brown on May 24, 2012, 04:03:59 PM
It ain't Me babe.
The intent is to cause division, it is clearly working.

Undo.....I recognize your outrage.... and whether I show it or not..... I share it!.... but one of the first things anyone who is being attacked has to learn is..... the identity of the attacker.

As Hobbit just said.... it wasn't him.  Please believe him.... Its not me.either.... and the others around you who honor you so much and have said so..... its not them.... Help all of us identify the enemy. Then we can do something about it.     Linda

you posted this TODAY?

hobbit was not "bugging me" in the remote viewing sense or otherwise (he can be a little irritating but that's fairly normal for smart people).  hobbit was threatening to "bug me".  because you had him all worked up about that mikado guy supposedly remotely controlling/remotely negatively influencing people and you thought i was one of mikado's puppets. so of course, hobbit, who is your friend, says, "no fear fair damsel! i shall come to your defense!"  (paraphrased). 

that was what i was fussing about.  i don't like people threatening me with stalking/watching/following/remote viewing me.   then he pretends he doesn't even know what i'm talking about, when it's pretty obvious in his prior posts. 

there's no evil entity at work here.  it was just a thread about my disdain for being stereotyped and accused of stuff i have never done nor has anyone in my family and as far as i know, no one in my line of ancestory for the last 200 years.  i don't know why this is so hard for you to understand.  self defense does not equal evil entity.

some of the posts i'm referring to, weren't in this thread, btw, but elsewhere on the forum, in the same few hours when this thing came to a head.  i'm not mikado. i'm not a puppet of mikado.  i'm not being used by a black ops group. there's no evil entity using me.   it was a knee jerk reaction to seeing yet another negative post about christianity and religion in general.  and even knowing this really has become a sore spot for me, people continue poking the tiger with a stick. 

"it was a knee jerk reaction to seeing yet another negative post about christianityPerhaps we should all learn then to let our knees jerk just a little less violently?  <g>   Linda

Quote from: Linda Brown on May 24, 2012, 07:56:41 PM
"it was a knee jerk reaction to seeing yet another negative post about christianityPerhaps we should all learn then to let our knees jerk just a little less violently?  <g>   Linda

you think my thread is violent?

Just been here a little while, and took a while to read this thread...IMO Religion is 3D, and made, maintained, and practiced, by souls in our 3D meatsacks...Corporal ET's may or may not also do so. And YES..I am open to the possibility that our body's Physical DNA may have been manipulated or even created by ET's. I am more interested in how our "Souls" advance despite the 3D limitations of this Planet. For myself, Spirituality comes into play regardless of anything that happens in what we "perceive" as our Physical (3D) world, and just maybe this is where other dimensions come in....Perhaps souls can't advance (And become aware of their Creative origins) until our consciousness (Soul Memory) can perceive these other dimensions....It has been suggested that this can be done by certain "Religious/Spiritual" practices (Meditation/Chemicals/DNA manipulation.ect.)..And also that a change in Galactic Alignment (Moving through the center) may trigger these changes...Maybe this is cyclical and has happened before, allowing those souls who are raising their vibratory patterns, an opportunity to advance out of 3D....Lots of interesting views on this...UNDO (Beth), thanks....I loved your Stargate thread....

Read again what I SAID here Undo and NOT what you THOUGHT that I said.

You said that your " knee jerk reaction " was a certain thing...

. my response was MEANT to say that you didn't have to repond so..... actively....perhaps the word " violent" was a poor choice.

But speaking of " choices of words"

You know.. what knee jerk reaction is supposed to be? An UNTHINKING response to a stimulus. Did you mean to say that?

is that a better word for me to have used?
Was "knee jerk" what you really meant?

Whats a better way for us to communicate with each other?  Linda

Quote from: andolin on May 24, 2012, 09:46:38 PM
Just been here a little while, and took a while to read this thread...IMO Religion is 3D, and made, maintained, and practiced, by souls in our 3D meatsacks...Corporal ET's may or may not also do so. And YES..I am open to the possibility that our body's Physical DNA may have been manipulated or even created by ET's. I am more interested in how our "Souls" advance despite the 3D limitations of this Planet. For myself, Spirituality comes into play regardless of anything that happens in what we "perceive" as our Physical (3D) world, and just maybe this is where other dimensions come in....Perhaps souls can't advance (And become aware of their Creative origins) until our consciousness (Soul Memory) can perceive these other dimensions....It has been suggested that this can be done by certain "Religious/Spiritual" practices (Meditation/Chemicals/DNA manipulation.ect.)..And also that a change in Galactic Alignment (Moving through the center) may trigger these changes...Maybe this is cyclical and has happened before, allowing those souls who are raising their vibratory patterns, an opportunity to advance out of 3D....Lots of interesting views on this...UNDO (Beth), thanks....I loved your Stargate thread....

I just posted this on another thread,
http://www.goldennumber.net/universe.htm
Look at the dodechedron, and imagine the universe as such, and at all scale.
Every finite point of universe will be packed perfectly with such geometry.
The various DIMENSIONS are therefore in exactly the self same location as this 3D we are a consequence of, but on the different faces of the dodechedron scalar solid universe.
hobbit

andolin,

i know that when i pray in the presence of some people, the top of my head opens up like a live wire.  other times, nothing.  i think some people are like .......hmmmmm.. trying to think of a medical term for it.  thinking.  well i can't think of the word at the moment, but they have an energy field around them that heightens/boosts, the energy field of others.  and these people who have this ability, don't have to be particularly good people or bad people, they just have that ability.  not sure what would cause that.

my hubby is an extremely interesting prayer warrior. sometimes when he prays he speaks in other languages, some of which sound earthly, some mechanical, some out of this world.   i've heard him speak like native americans, eskimos, hebrews, arabics, chinese/japanese, etc, and some of them may even be languages that have long since vanished, like the lost languages of the native americans. 

nothing dramatic happens when i pray with him as far as physical sensation goes, but it is almost always immediately evident.  for example, one time we were babysitting for some friends and one of their boys, was sick with strep throat.  he was trying to sleep and his little chest was heaving from the fever.  my hubby and i both looked at him at the same time.   i could tell hubby was silently praying for the boy to be healed, even though his eyes weren't closed and he gave no other indication other than a very compassionate expression on his face.  so i silently agreed with him in prayer.

well, that was kind of a mistake lol always ask beforehand lol
what he had prayed was that he wanted god to take the sickness off the boy and give it to him instead.  and i agreed with that, not knowing what he had prayed. lol  we spent the next 3 days crawling to the bathroom, and a week total of being treated to the little boy's strep throat. we were so sick. but the next day, the little boy was all better.  lol

i had never had strep throat in my life, never before that and never after that.  just for the record. that was the only time.  moral of the story, ask first, agree second (where applicable).  i know it was legit cause hubby personally had strep throat 10 times in one year, and i never caught it from him.  my kids have had, i never caught it from them.  just that one time.  like a verification, that prayer really does change things.

personally, i would've prayed to have the strep throat eradicated from existence. lol. i guess hubby felt that was the only way to get the thing to give up its hold on the little boy. i dunno.

Undo.......
I was raised Roman Catholic and am among the many who reject the Organized Religious practices of that religion....Repetitive prayer without positive intention outside of self, invites negative energies. I agree that Positive thought can raise energies in ourselves and others (If there is even a difference, but I won't go all "Law of One" and  "Course in Miracles" on you)....I believe that you must not ask an outside "God/Force/Universe" for change through prayer...But that you /we/us must "will it to be through thankfulness"" while at the same time, recognizing that all souls carry the same creative potential as the original creative force....25 years ago I prayed that my wife be cured of cancer, and that I died in her place...I'm sure many have done this, and like myself, did not succeed...I have come to believe that Prayer is not asking for anything, as much as opening yourself up to a belief that we should find that spark in others that resonates with what we know is in ourselves, and support that energy. Perhaps if I had meditated upon my wife's (our) condition, and simply accepted that her illness was a vehicle for spiritual development (Both of ours), I could have found more peace at that time..Her spirit has since come to me and confirmed this belief.......Now the healing of Non-Karmic illness...That is another matter.....That is probably what happened with you and your husband and the Strep incident.....As for the concept of a "Prayer Warrior"...I prefer to think of those souls as Spiritual Workers who help raise the energies/vibrations of those souls/soul groups/Planets ect....The more "Gathered in His (Christos/Prime Creator/one with the All Presence name)" the better.

Hobbit:
dodechedron scalar......Yup...I agree..
Buckmaster Fuller...."BuckyBalls"..They connect on many dimensions. Perhaps Hogland/Bara (Dark Mission) are onto something when they suggest that all the planets in the Solar System have 3D structures on them that resonate and connect through several dimensions...Can also tie in with the Elecro/Magnetic theory of the Suns effect on her children in the Solar System...

andolin,

awww. hugs.

Undo, that is an excellent account of Christian living, and absolute proof that being a Christian is a life walk of learning, in every way. I did sympathize (and laugh) at your and hubby's prayer account with the young boy. God absolutely does tell us to pray in faith, believing, for the "mountain" (ie physical/spiritual need) to be moved, but he never told us to ask "the mountain" to be moved on ourselves.  ;)

For sure that is a way to let God know how very seriously one feels about whatever the prayer situation, but, God looks on the heart, and already knows our "seriousness/prayer of faith".

Undo, something for you and hubby to think about - for sure your prayer request for the boy, was answered. As far as what happened to you both as a result - please consider the possibility (even probability) that it may not have been God that put that on you, but rather the "evil one". The main reason I suggest that, is that God is not the author of sickness, disease, and death, but rather satan is. It may very well be that your "request', opened the door for him to put it on you - just because you asked!

FWIW - When your husband is praying in tongues, he is "praying in the Spirit. When he is praying in the Spirit, the Holy Spirit in him is speaking directly with God. That is the best way to pray. That way, satan cannot listen in on "the call", and there is no way the Spirit will make a "mistake". Plus, God is a Spirit, and that is the best way to talk with him!!!!!!

Praying in the Spirit (with tongues) is a natural part of being "baptized with the Holy Spirit", which is a promise of God, to his people. And that is just what happened to the people in Acts 2, on what is commonly referred to as "the day of Pentecost"!

Quote from: Linda Brown on May 24, 2012, 09:53:03 PM
Read again what I SAID here Undo and NOT what you THOUGHT that I said.

You said that your " knee jerk reaction " was a certain thing...

. my response was MEANT to say that you didn't have to repond so..... actively....perhaps the word " violent" was a poor choice.

But speaking of " choices of words"

You know.. what knee jerk reaction is supposed to be? An UNTHINKING response to a stimulus. Did you mean to say that?

is that a better word for me to have used?
Was "knee jerk" what you really meant?

Whats a better way for us to communicate with each other?  Linda

yeah i was thinking, but i was thinking about survival, which is a human instinct.  i usually try to not freak out about it, but it accumulates over time and eventually just seems if i don't say anything i might as well be poking myself in the nose.  sorta like not paying attention to the angry mob of people with torches marching down the street towards ya. you have 3 options. run, stand your ground or join them.  and since i don't believe in angry mobs or torches,  i stood my ground. lol

i know you dont have these human frailities, so i beg your mercy on my foolish human nature. 

i know you dont have these human fraiities, so i beg your mercy on my foolish human nature

OK Undo  .... is sarcasm what you are adding to your knee jerk reactions here or am I supposed to be able to see that you were trying to be funny?

I choose to pick that..... hahahaha..... OK I am done.

You should see the mob with torches that I see sometimes. Maybe you would be a little slower to criticize me.

Linda

Quote from: Linda Brown on May 24, 2012, 11:10:29 PM
i know you dont have these human fraiities, so i beg your mercy on my foolish human nature

OK Undo  .... is sarcasm what you are adding to your knee jerk reactions here or am I supposed to be able to see that you were trying to be funny?

I choose to pick that..... hahahaha..... OK I am done.

You should see the mob with torches that I see sometimes. Maybe you would be a little slower to criticize me.

Linda

that's the thing, linda, i'm not criticizing you. i was defending myself, and not even because of anything you said.  you didn't say one thing to set it off.  and it's just a normal reaction as well, that you're blowing way out of proportion now. it's not unusual to want to defend yourself., and you know that, or you wouldn't be here defending yourself because you think i'm criticizing you.

Quote from: rdunk on May 24, 2012, 11:01:33 PM
Undo, that is an excellent account of Christian living, and absolute proof that being a Christian is a life walk of learning, in every way. I did sympathize (and laugh) at your and hubby's prayer account with the young boy. God absolutely does tell us to pray in faith, believing, for the "mountain" (ie physical/spiritual need) to be moved, but he never told us to ask "the mountain" to be moved on ourselves.  ;)

For sure that is a way to let God know how very seriously one feels about whatever the prayer situation, but, God looks on the heart, and already knows our "seriousness/prayer of faith".

Undo, something for you and hubby to think about - for sure your prayer request for the boy, was answered. As far as what happened to you both as a result - please consider the possibility (even probability) that it may not have been God that put that on you, but rather the "evil one". The main reason I suggest that, is that God is not the author of sickness, disease, and death, but rather satan is. It may very well be that your "request', opened the door for him to put it on you - just because you asked!

FWIW - When your husband is praying in tongues, he is "praying in the Spirit. When he is praying in the Spirit, the Holy Spirit in him is speaking directly with God. That is the best way to pray. That way, satan cannot listen in on "the call", and there is no way the Spirit will make a "mistake". Plus, God is a Spirit, and that is the best way to talk with him!!!!!!

Praying in the Spirit (with tongues) is a natural part of being "baptized with the Holy Spirit", which is a promise of God, to his people. And that is just what happened to the people in Acts 2, on what is commonly referred to as "the day of Pentecost"!

hubby says "tell him that we don't make that mistake anymore! lol"

Re: Undo's Super Gripe
« Reply #144 on: May 23, 2012, 04:03:46 AM »
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Quote from: undo11 on May 22, 2012, 06:37:56 PM
hobbit?  you gonna stop bugging me now?


It ain't Me babe.
The intent is to cause division, it is clearly working.

Hobbit
that sounds to me like a confession.

OK Undo.... You and I need to talk because we are wasting valuable time with these little jabs....

that's the thing, linda, i'm not criticizing you. i was defending myself

,( well then dagnabbit..... develop a thicker skin.... Like I am having to do... You are going to do some wonderful things in the future but you are also going to be criticized for it and there won't always be a group of people like those here on the Living Moon to try to make you feel better. They are all going to have their own chores and problems. )

and not even because of anything you said.  you didn't say one thing to set it off.  and it's just a normal reaction as well,

( and I have to tell you now something that you are NOT going to like. Its not a NORMAL reaction for you, There is nothing normal at all that has been happening to you for a long time now,

but you will not see what I have to say on that score....  that you're blowing way out of proportion now.....

.Undo... please listen to me. To have an idea of what is " out of proportion you have to have a solid idea of what  the WHOLE picture actually is.. and you do not.)

it's not unusual to want to defend yourself.,

( look at my posts. Everyone look at my posts. Do I come across as trying to defend myself?) Thats what you see Undo because thats what you yourself recognize.... you cannot see what I am seeing.

and you know that, or you wouldn't be here defending yourself because you think i'm criticizing you.

( I am here trying to get you to understand that there is something operating here amongst us that has the capability to change EVERYONES mood.... I am not talking spiritual warfare here.... I wish that I was. I am talking cold hard science and a program that DOES NOT want this Forum and others like it to gain any power at all. We are dangerous to their very existance.... but if people refuse to see the possibilities then there is nothing more that I or anyone else can do.

You can decide to flip into your defense mode and say that I am out to get you because you are a female Christian. Thats your big fear and someone is using that against you and through you then.... against all of us.

I am not going to get into how I know this right now or what the technology is.... but it is solid and some of it has already been mentioned in open source material. The only protection against it is to realize first that it exists... and learn to see its fingerprints amongst us.

I am asking you Undo.... Please read this carefully. And think a moment before that " knee jerk reaction" takes over. It is not your friend.....You said that when approached by a mob your instinct is to stand and fight. Ok.... Heres your chance.  Linda  

"That sounds like a confession"

To you Sky Otter, it would.   Linda

didn't say i would stand and fight.  said defend myself. i don't believe in torches (the part where you kill other people for your beliefs? i  dont believe in that.  i do so on video games, but i don't actually think the other side is bad and i know it isn't actually doing anything to them, other than teaching them new strategies for playing their characters.  i have characters on both sides, cause i like both sides. i like everybody.  lol. well, almost everybody.  for example, i don't like darth vader but i like anakin skywalker (after luke saves him). i don't like the emperor but i like him sometimes when he's not behaving badly.  but those are fictitious characters not real people and whether i like fictitious people or not, has no real impact on them cause they don't exist lol).

far as i know, orcs and elves don't exist. hehe

oh i guess i need to address the technology thing:

granted, tech of the nature you refer to may exist, but it isn't using me to upset the forum.  this topic is just a sensitive issue.  the forum cannot remain free of sensitive issues without curtailing free speech.  like i should be allowed to defend myself without it being edited, and anyone who disagrees, should be allowed to disagree without it being edited. and we should all be able to say what's on our minds without being told our words are not important. 

if i didn't think what you were saying was important, i would've ignored it. i think it's important that you realize that i'm not being controlled by black ops or remote viewing but rather reacting to the very obvious prejudice inherent here and elsewhere, to christianity as a whole.  instead of addressing the actual culprits.  and by culprits i mean the actual person who did the deed.

it's painfully obvious to me when the planet has countless examples of people behaving badly, and only christianity's mistakes are beat to death that the idea is to use it as an excuse to make massive changes to the lives of christians. some of those massive changes appear to have death threats embedded in them.    i don't want to die, hence i ask, can we stop pretending like christians are the only humans on the planet?  or did everyone else become ETs while i wasn't looking?

granted, tech of the nature you refer to may exist, but it isn't using me to upset the forum

How do you know that Undo?

Linda

Quote from: Linda Brown on May 25, 2012, 12:19:33 AM
granted, tech of the nature you refer to may exist, but it isn't using me to upset the forum

How do you know that Undo?

Linda

because every so often, i have this same conversation with people and it never causes the end of the world or the forum. it just helps to elucidate the issue of how people can become so accustomed to criticizing and blaming the local patsy for something, that it leaks over into dangerous prejudice.

Well thats a relief that this forum is so resiliant and has so much time to waste on this kind of banter.  Linda

Well thats a relief that this forum is so resiliant and has so much time to waste on this kind of banter.  Linda

my point exactly
how many posts in this thread are yours, linda

if you do not engage..it goes no further

i am out

Quote from: Linda Brown on May 25, 2012, 12:39:27 AM
Well thats a relief that this forum is so resiliant and has so much time to waste on this kind of banter.  Linda

did you know there were jews before the nazi holocaust that realized what was happening was building up to people being irrational and so severly prejudice it was dangerous.  and that if they didn't say something, it would get completely out of control and jewish people would start being killed because of it? and guess what happened. naysayers came along and said,

"nope. you're just paranoid cause you're guilty." or

"nope. but even if it were true, you deserve it." or

"nope. we have better things to do than worry about the problems of a bunch of social misfits." etc etc etc.

you want evidence?  i can give you plenty.  what you are witnessing and what you are doing yourself, has all the earmarks of the same thing that happened in nazi germany.   problem is, i'm not rich. my daddy wasn't a banker.  i don't own nine tenths of the planet.  i'm not famous.  i'm just an average everyday housewife.

Are you speaking to me or to Sky Otter here Undo.

Who is saying to just leave things alone?

Linda

Quote from: Linda Brown on May 25, 2012, 12:58:19 AM
Are you speaking to me or to Sky Otter here Undo.

Who is saying to just leave things alone?

Linda

you said

QuoteWell thats a relief that this forum is so resiliant and has so much time to waste on this kind of banter. 

you think it's a waste of time. what is a waste of time? this kind of banter. why is it a waste of time? because you say so. why do you say so? because you don't think it's important enough to complain about.  so you think it's just being used to divide the forum. 

to me it reads just like:

"we have better things to do than worry about the problems of a bunch of social misfits."

Again..... you misread my words. I was trying to be sarcastic in response to Sky Otter. Read it again...

Well thats a relief that this forum is so resiliant and has so much time to waste on this kind of banter.  Linda

my point exactly
how many posts in this thread are yours, linda

if you do not engage..it goes no further

i am out


And she AGREED with me. I was NOT saying that this was unimportant.......I should have put a funny face up there .... I thought most would know what I was trying to get across.  Please try to see what I was meaning....   Linda

Quote from: Linda Brown on May 25, 2012, 01:35:03 AM


Well thats a relief that this forum is so resiliant and has so much time to waste on this kind of banter.  Linda

sounded just like a response to my quote here:

Quotebecause every so often, i have this same conversation with people and it never causes the end of the world or the forum.

and surprisingly enough, it came right after my post.  so to me it sounds like you're saying that the forum is resilient apparently because it has withstood my prior complaints.  notice that i'm usually pretty level headed about all this till that big red button gets pushed and it isn't because it gets pushed here that often but it's accumulative.

if i came home one day from shopping and everyone in my house was talking about how people who go shopping are evil, i'd be like "WTF", but probably wouldn't say anything right away. i'd ponder it, of course, double check to be sure it wasn't something i was doing and then wait for the next time it was brought up. then i'd ask what they meant.  then i'd offer up a fairly moderate and forthright defense. and if it continued, i'd get more vocal about it till the issue was either resolved, or i had figured out another way to just brush it off.

i can't brush off this kind of thing when it is accumulative, people are adding their negative opinions about christianity to the hundreds of thousands, perhaps millions or even billions of other negative opinions about it over the centuries.  how i became responsible for the crusades, i will never know.  that one is a real humdinger.   wasn't even my religion in the first place and in the second place, i don't own a single deadly weapon and if i did, i wouldnt use it to kill or permanently harm anyone, although i might use it to keep someone from "chopping off my other breast."  (edited: wacking. lol bad bad lol)

Quote from: Linda Brown on May 24, 2012, 11:41:20 PM
( I am here trying to get you to understand that there is something operating here amongst us that has the capability to change EVERYONES mood.... I am not talking spiritual warfare here.... I wish that I was. I am talking cold hard science and a program that DOES NOT want this Forum and others like it to gain any power at all. We are dangerous to their very existance.... but if people refuse to see the possibilities then there is nothing more that I or anyone else can do.

Refuse?  Can we escape from the facts?  This I understand.

Andolin....You so beautifully said.....

I have come to believe that Prayer is not asking for anything, as much as opening yourself up to a belief that we should find that spark in others that resonates with what we know is in ourselves, and support that energy.  As my Dad might have said  " More Power to you"
Theres that word....Resonates/ resonance..... again.   <g>  Linda

Sky otter,
               "Confession"
I was born and bred in Yorkshire...flower.
If I have anything to say  to anyone, they will have it dead straight, warts and all.
Think again.
hobbit

From Mikado


To the Pegasus Group,

I received this email from a member of yours and am replying as to why I have not received my activation email. It has been reported that one was sent to me as well as a private email but that they must have been blocked since I claimed that I never received them. That is not really possible for in order to block a sender, one must have the email to put into the "block sender's" list.

You now have my email and if the person is correct in that this email address truly is the Pegasus group then you have no excuse in not sending an activation email.

Respectfully,

Mikado

PS: this email is being bcc'd to show others that the actions of the Living Moon are not truly what is being exhibited.

:o

Quote from: zorgon on June 05, 2012, 08:46:19 PM
From Mikado


To the Pegasus Group,

I received this email from a member of yours and am replying as to why I have not received my activation email. It has been reported that one was sent to me as well as a private email but that they must have been blocked since I claimed that I never received them. That is not really possible for in order to block a sender, one must have the email to put into the "block sender's" list.

You now have my email and if the person is correct in that this email address truly is the Pegasus group then you have no excuse in not sending an activation email.

Respectfully,

Mikado

PS: this email is being bcc'd to show others that the actions of the Living Moon are not truly what is being exhibited.

:o

It must have been the aliens who blocked off mikado...(ron)?????

Here is the original mail I sent along with the automatic approval/activation

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/Vault/Mikado_01.png)

My reply...

Well I have no idea why the emails were returned but both the automatic reply from the forum and the one I sent you about that were both returned as undeliverable, with several automatic attempts by my mail server earthlink.net at 48 hour intervals to resend it

The awaiting activation is still on the forum.. dated April 11, 2012

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/Vault/Mikado.png)

It appears to be the same email that was previously used... I will try again (with this letter) [with BCC to Linda]

However I would ask your purpose on wishing to join our forum.
I have since seen your activities on another forum and quite frankly our forum is not interested in drama.

> PS: this email is being bcc'd to show others that the actions of the Living Moon are not truly what is being exhibited.


Seriously? Well BBC it to all you wish.... No one else seems to have had any problems logging in as you can see in the above screen capture YOU are the only one waiting activation. The fact that you are implying we were not honest when I said the email bounced back does not bode well to us wanting to process your application

I can deleted that account and you are welcome to try again...

Ron
PRC

Quote from: hobbit on June 05, 2012, 08:54:13 PM
It must have been the aliens who blocked off mikado...(ron)?????

Well with that added PS...

The aliens can keep the blighter :P

You live and learn,
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080506015908AA4uDdn
I hadn't a clue what Bcc mean't.
I know that BBC stands for the,
British Brainwashing Corperation.


And now they have digital square wave to upgrade that with?????
Those pesky aliens are mighty clever???
Smarter than the average bear???
hobbit

Quote from: zorgon on June 05, 2012, 08:54:55 PM
Well I have no idea why the emails were returned but both the automatic reply from the forum and the one I sent you about that were both returned as undeliverable, with several automatic attempts by my mail server earthlink.net at 48 hour intervals to resend it

Didn't the server said why it was rejected? Some times they have descriptive messages explaining why, sometimes they don't say a thing. :)