ive noticed no speak of the plasma thread or the lifter thread.
are the men in black subcontiously killing these threads.
have the posters been visited.
is zorgon actually an alien working for the grays?
did we touch a nerve at the no such agency?
is shipping being intensionally slowed?
are the experimenters dead from electrical shock?
did they open a time portal and bump into dr who?
are they now full time customers of gitmo resort and spa?
curious minds stumble for perspective.
Just Christians and the word of God dude... :-[
Heck we would love to have real MIB here trust me, as the leaks are few and far between these days 8)
Ditto...
Indeed.
Any alphabet types on this site must be scratching their heads right now
:) :) 8) ??? :) :)
The Alphabet agencies cannot see into the private rooms :D
They can only see the public areas
::)
Not counting the spooks that we know and love :D
Just don't confuse the real MIB's with the alphabet soup copies ;)
Quote from: robomont on September 10, 2012, 06:58:51 PM
ive noticed no speak of the plasma thread or the lifter thread.
We have control here :D
Quoteare the men in black subcontiously killing these threads.
No the MIB's are not worried about Pegasus... however there are others in the RV world that we must guard against, like Dr Elizabeth Rausher for one. I would not worry about the Alphabet Agencies and yes there are some of those that visit here... even one that has Battele connections ;)
And no I won't name names :P
Quotehave the posters been visited.
yes John and I have... he spent three days chatting :D I wrote him recently and he says he will try to stop by the forum I will bug him again ;)
Quoteis zorgon actually an alien working for the grays?
I do not work for the grays ;)
Quotedid we touch a nerve at the no such agency?
No on the contrary...'they' have allowed me access at a higher level than most on .mil sites
Quoteare the experimenters dead from electrical shock?
No they are just stuck in the past trying to flog a dead horse :P
I just want to say iv been having GREAT FUN since i joined 8)
Quote from: zorgon on September 10, 2012, 08:32:47 PM
I do not work for the grays ;)
Only a gray would say that of course :o
This is what I like to see around here, a bit of fun with all the seriousness.
8)
Quote from: Lunica on September 10, 2012, 08:51:40 PM
Only a gray would say that of course :o
Only a grey would say only a grey said that..... I think. :P
zorgon,that one about floggin a dead horse.bitchn dude.roflmao.
we may disagree but freekin funny.
the quest must go on !
... if they are not on here, somebody is slackin.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8cpkwPAbY0
Quote from: Luci on September 10, 2012, 09:16:27 PM
This is what I like to see around here, a bit of fun with all the seriousness.
8)
What i would like to see is some serious work with all the fun..
but alas..... :P
::)
Quote from: robomont on September 10, 2012, 10:33:32 PM
the quest must go on !
For a quest to happen one must have a goal in mind.
And before setting out on any quest, one must chose the right team 8)
Had that ... once upon a time in a land far away..... till DEATH took its toll and the team scattered to the four corners of the Knowne Worlde
workaholics,ugg,thats why i barely work,cant stand being around them.
i prefer to get paid for doing nothing.
Hence why any quest you may join is doomed to fail :P
::)
dang zorgon ,gotta pull that knife outa my back.
wow,didnt see that comin.
even the slug has purpose.
just hoping the butterfly effect will make a difference.
who knows,my insanity might rub off on you,which causes you to run for leader of the world.then because im your advisor,i get to ride your coattail.
easy livin.
Quote from: robomont on September 11, 2012, 12:19:43 AM
who knows,my insanity might rub off on you,which causes you to run for leader of the world
Well I already have the Crown... but ruling the world is a LOT of really HARD Work so no thanks... there are just too many idiots that need babysitting :P
Now a small country... say like Canada.... that might be an option
Quote.then because im your advisor,i get to ride your coattail.easy livin.
Hmmm well I DO need a new Jester... my old one moved out of town :D
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/54/William_Merritt_Chase_Keying_up.jpg/220px-William_Merritt_Chase_Keying_up.jpg)
Friends, I am sure that PRC is a known entity to those who stare at goats and listen to everything... 8) just as most all here have been glanced over, if nothing else, from past associations with places like alpha tango spookville...
I also agree with Z; many avenues being researched are dead end roads...
seeker
Who needs mibs here when you have felines? No offense to my friend who's a former mib. And the only reason Zorgon isn't gray is because he dyes his hair.
Shasta
Quote from: zorgon on September 10, 2012, 08:17:26 PM
The Alphabet agencies cannot see into the private rooms :D
They can only see the public areas
::)
Not counting the spooks that we know and love :D
Just don't confuse the real MIB's with the alphabet soup copies ;)
That's a query some of us on another forum had, can the abc agencies bypass security and see into the private rooms. Our beloved caretaker and mod said no, but with all their tech Zorgon one wonders wouldnt it be easy for them to bypass and look into the private area. I would have thought it would be easy for them to do.
Quote from: zorgon on September 11, 2012, 12:00:30 AM
For a quest to happen one must have a goal in mind.
And before setting out on any quest, one must chose the right team 8)
Had that ... once upon a time in a land far away..... till DEATH took its toll and the team scattered to the four corners of the Knowne Worlde
Yes, though most have survived to see another day. We can make this a profitable one, with the right people at the correct stations.
Quote from: Anecdotea man is going around & clapping his hands loudly.
other one asks him: dude, what's up?!
a man: i kill crocodiles, they flight all around.
other one: WTF i see nothing!
a man: it's because of i kill'em!
Dammit, don't kill crocodiles, i wanna see'em! ;D
(http://assets.anomalies.netdna-cdn.com/ion/docs-pub/IO/696/Man_in_black.jpg)
The above image is from a book on UFOs I had, which was part of the black and silver book set on the paranormal, which I think
Time Life put out in the early-mid 90s. They were awesome books.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2uRLq50Z8g
"All right check it, let me say this in closing.
I know we might seem imposing.
But if we ever show in your section,
Believe me, it's for your own protection.
'Cos we see things that you need not see,
And we be places that you need not be,
So go on with your life, forget that Roswell crap,
Show love to the black suit
'Cos that's the men in...
That's the men in..."
Quote from: robomont on September 11, 2012, 12:00:34 AM
workaholics,ugg,thats why i barely work,cant stand being around them.
i prefer to get paid for doing nothing.
ok Robo, here's my application for that job. I'd love to get paid for doing nothing! Lol 8)
Quote from: the seeker on September 11, 2012, 02:23:56 AM
Friends, I am sure that PRC is a known entity to those who stare at goats and listen to everything... 8)
Of course we are silly... I invited them LOL
Where else would I get all my kewl info from?
::)
only one job requirement .
work smart.
it makes it easy to be lazy.
Quote from: biggles on September 11, 2012, 02:49:32 AM
That's a query some of us on another forum had, can the abc agencies bypass security and see into the private rooms. Our beloved caretaker and mod said no, but with all their tech Zorgon one wonders wouldnt it be easy for them to bypass and look into the private area. I would have thought it would be easy for them to do.
Well tech still follows rules....
They COULD get a court order for my server and get a copy of the files that are all encrypted... then spend a fortune on running them through the unencryption process but that would still leave a trace at the server
Every entry into the forum leaves a ping by the very nature of simply connecting to the site. That ping records the IP of every guest So no matter what spook agency is looking they will leave a footprint :D
One such footprint leads to here.. actually signed up as a member but hasn't posted yet :P
{{{waves at NAVY Cyber Spy}}}Navy Network Information Center (NNIC)
2465 GUADALCANAL ROAD
BLDG 1265 VA
I would give you the linky but best not to play there :D
Not sure why everyone is afraid of spooks anyway... most of them are good people and many are on our side, whether you believe it or not
If they were really concerned about anything we do here they would be knocking at my door and this place would be shut down...
Uh oh there are those pesky helicopters again.... :o
Quote from: Sgt.Rocknroll on September 11, 2012, 03:18:58 AM
ok Robo, here's my application for that job. I'd love to get paid for doing nothing! Lol 8)
Well I have a plan that a requires "a few good men" (or women) with some basic skills to do a little work and make a LOT of money :D
But they would have to be serious and actually have the needed skills :D
But that is another story :P
Quote from: TheJanitor on September 11, 2012, 02:54:21 AM
Yes, though most have survived to see another day. We can make this a profitable one, with the right people at the correct stations.
Ah yes but we speak of different things :P Mine was a $200 Million project that I still have the option on ;)
Now imagine a 'theme park' that had Otis Carr type 'amusement rides'
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Bluebird/greenstars.gif)
I can't highlight sorry, but your reply quoting a court order and a ping to this site.
Once again, my brain thinks that if the agencies can psy ops any part of the world and look through a satellite and spy anywhere in the world, then they must have higher tech that would bypass any security measure on any forum. It just stands to reason. Otherwise any place they were spying on would know that their doing it. Just saying.
Not that they might be interested in anything we say privately, its just I believe they have that tech imho.
Well if you believe that then what does it matter?
They can just pluck the evil thoughts out of your head :D
Now if you go around saying you want to shoot Obama and post that as an ex marine on Facebook, yeah you will likely get hauled away to jail or a psyche evaluation like that marine was :D
But then we all know facebook is CIA owned.. :P
So if your worried about spooks listening in to you, you need to not post at a conspiracy site and if you are afraid they 'they' can RV your mind then you need to think about floweres and cute little puppies or ferrets
(you being a generic you meaning anyone)
Considering I have given the elite a standing invitation to take me at any time so I can have a tete a tete with their big cohuna, the last thing I am worried about is them seeing what I have to write.
In fact it is about 11 years since 9/11, And Has Any Friggin Body Been Arrested Yet besides the wrong ones..............NO.
So they can read whatever they like I write.
Quote from: biggles on September 11, 2012, 05:15:59 AM
In fact it is about 11 years since 9/11, And Has Any Friggin Body Been Arrested Yet besides the wrong ones..............NO.
And they never will be just like we still don't know what happened to Kennedy
So that was my point why worry if the spooks ARE here? What difference does it make? Everyone assumes they are anyway :P
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXQozTxQSiE
Forgive me, Zorgon; but I somehow doubt that this site is of sufficient importance to warrant official interest. Granted, Uncle Sam grows ever more paranoid as time goes on, and he probably has good reason to be; but the large sites like ATS are still much more likely, I think, to be monitored.
To a skeptical mind, we would simply be a group of fringe basement dwellers, discussing things which either have no real validity whatsoever, or which mainstream thought has been sufficiently immunised to influence from, via mind control anyway. The real life equivalent of the Lone Gunmen from The X Files, perhaps.
This has always been one of my main grievances with the rise of atheism. It has had the result of almost completely destroying imagination, or the desire to ask truly important questions, in the mind of a public who have been carefully trained, to require academic authorisation for every element of their view of reality; and who consider individual thought to be a far more egregious blasphemy than did any medieval Christian, under the rule of Catholicism.
So the truth of all manner of governmental outrages could well be made perfectly visible, in plain sight, and it is entirely irrelevant, because precious few are willing to accept the truth. We are that precious few, or some of them; and of what real importance are we? Every last one of us could disappear completely, without a whisper of dissent from the sheep. I know of people on another forum, who although they would not admit it, would probably be grateful to see me killed, as it would mean the removal of someone who has tried to subject them to realities which they consider unpleasant.
The most bitter irony, concerning the so-called Enlightenment, was its' end result of giving us a greater level of intellectual tyranny than has ever been seen in human history before. As the Pleiadians said through Barbara Marciniak, a man who is in a visible cage is not a prisoner to the maximum degree; he can still see the bars.
A true prisoner, on the other hand, is an individual who believes himself to be free, while at the same time accepting a single view of reality, while rejecting all possible others, because he has been indoctrinated into believing that no other form of reality can literally exist. Such an individual is better off dead, in practical terms; although contemporary Western society is full of such individuals, and they themselves of course do not think so.
Quote from: zorgon on September 11, 2012, 01:19:46 AM
Now a small country... say like Canada.... that might be an option
Canada is the second largest country in the world. Bloody Americans. ::)
Tell you what, I'll let you wear the visible crown. You'll need a brain in the operation though, preferably one who knows politics. :P
Quote from: Pimander on September 11, 2012, 07:44:27 AM
Canada is the second largest country in the world. Bloody Americans. ::)
Hey now cut that out... my passport says I iz Canadian :P well one of them does :P
::)
QuoteTell you what, I'll let you wear the visible crown. You'll need a brain in the operation though, preferably one who knows politics. :P
Well naturally even the President has an executive secretary, the one who really gets the work done :P
Quote from: petrus4 on September 11, 2012, 06:01:37 AM
Forgive me, Zorgon; but I somehow doubt that this site is of sufficient importance to warrant official interest.
This forum... your right... not yet anyway... but you would be amazed at the list of IPs on the website
QuoteGranted, Uncle Sam grows ever more paranoid as time goes on, and he probably has good reason to be; but the large sites like ATS are still much more likely, I think, to be monitored.
Everytime I link to a dot mil site directly they are monitoring that activity :D hey like to know who is readying those files ;) That is usually why I post a red warning with the link :D
As to ATS why do you think they are replacing conspiracy nuts with debunker trolls? LOL
QuoteTo a skeptical mind, we would simply be a group of fringe basement dwellers, discussing things which either have no real validity whatsoever, or which mainstream thought has been sufficiently immunised to influence from, via mind control anyway. The real life equivalent of the Lone Gunmen from The X Files, perhaps.
Well when that DIA/AF Intel chap stopped by to 'chat' with John and I for three days... he said on the way out "You only have the tip of the cats tail" I replied "Yeah but we are tugging hard enough that the cat has noticed us" We all laughed. About a week later my computer search access changed :D I won't go into detail but lets just say I can go a little deeper into that rabbit hole ;)
QuoteThis has always been one of my main grievances with the rise of atheism. It has had the result of almost completely destroying imagination, or the desire to ask truly important questions, in the mind of a public who have been carefully trained, to require academic authorisation for every element of their view of reality; and who consider individual thought to be a far more egregious blasphemy than did any medieval Christian, under the rule of Catholicism.
You assume that all spooks want to stop information from getting out... some have other agendas.
QuoteSo the truth of all manner of governmental outrages could well be made perfectly visible, in plain sight, and it is entirely irrelevant, because precious few are willing to accept the truth. We are that precious few, or some of them; and of what real importance are we? Every last one of us could disappear completely, without a whisper of dissent from the sheep. I know of people on another forum, who although they would not admit it, would probably be grateful to see me killed, as it would mean the removal of someone who has tried to subject them to realities which they consider unpleasant.
What if the whole Alien/UFO thing is simply an agenda set up by the government? Then the 'truth' you are accepting is one they want you to accept :D Oddly enough I can get documents from the CIA that prove that :D
QuoteThe most bitter irony, concerning the so-called Enlightenment, was its' end result of giving us a greater level of intellectual tyranny than has ever been seen in human history before. As the Pleiadians said through Barbara Marciniak, a man who is in a visible cage is not a prisoner to the maximum degree; he can still see the bars.
Tibetan Hermits lock themselves into tiny caves in the mountains with very little food and no heat. This allows them to achieve Enlightenment and amazing powers. Bars on a cell do not imprison the mind. but very few souls on Earth are willing to do what it takes to reach true Enlightenment
I would not count on the Pleiadians to 'save' us and offer mankind a free ticket to the next level. That would defeat the purpose. Its like cheating on an exam... you get the grade but still have not learned anything
QuoteA true prisoner, on the other hand, is an individual who believes himself to be free, while at the same time accepting a single view of reality, while rejecting all possible others, because he has been indoctrinated into believing that no other form of reality can literally exist. Such an individual is better off dead, in practical terms; although contemporary Western society is full of such individuals, and they themselves of course do not think so.
At some point you have to chose the single reality that is right for you. There are many paths to Enlightenment and each one of us is on their own path. Sometimes we walk the same path for awhile, but in the end you must pick one. As long as you are still looking at options as it were you are no better off than the Tower of Babble... because the mind lacks true focus
Quote from: zorgon on September 11, 2012, 04:54:51 AM
Ah yes but we speak of different things :P Mine was a $200 Million project that I still have the option on ;)
Now imagine a 'theme park' that had Otis Carr type 'amusement rides'
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Bluebird/greenstars.gif)
I am talking about enough revenue so some people here can quit their day jobs and make this their full timer. The big bucks ain't comin', you know it, I know it, everyone else does. Why do you think only stupid people are rich? (generalization but true for the most part...)
Work first, play later.
There is enough potential here to make it happen. Even if I have problems with rows getting hoed I can call in my whips.
And no grey or black stuff! All that can sit on the back burner.
Quote from: zorgon on September 11, 2012, 09:52:55 AM
What if the whole Alien/UFO thing is simply an agenda set up by the government? Then the 'truth' you are accepting is one they want you to accept :D Oddly enough I can get documents from the CIA that prove that :D
Not so fast.
Yes, a lot of what many believe is the "truth" about UFOs and aliens that has been set up for the sheeple. However, strangely, real UFO data has been suppressed (blue book was a PR exercise) because the Air Force and others wanted to be free to look into the good stuff they didn't fully understand without sharing data with enemies (read anybody else at all) or having to constantly deal with requests from the media and others for information.
UFOs have been a PR hot potato. NASA don't want the hassle of public UFO studies either. Same goes for the Navy. The CIA and DIA are happy for you to believe the made up nonsense.
To further complicate matters, no section of government wants to admit that while publicly denying any interest, they have been studying the real data in secret.
So yes, there is a story that is pure disinformation. I'll have a lot more to say on that when I'm good and ready. However, there is very good evidence that there have been intelligently controlled craft (not just plasma critters) of unknown origin and the military and NORAD (therefore probably NASA) are aware of. This class of possibly alien UFO is quite rare but very real and unlikely to be black project in every case.
Quote from: robomont on September 10, 2012, 06:58:51 PM
is zorgon actually an alien working for the grays?
8)
If he was do you think he would admit this?
Sorry, could not resist. ;D
sometimes, one little bump on a tree and the nuts fall out.
best done going into fall.
Quote from: robomont on September 11, 2012, 06:45:38 PM
sometimes, one little bump on a tree and the nuts fall out.
We have nuts of all kinds.
However, I dont think there are any pods.
;)
by creating this thread ,alot of food came forth.mainly on zorgons point of view over a broad spectrum of issues.
a few things may have leaned me in another direction.
im greatful for input ,even if it hurts.
its all a learning experience.
Quote from: robomont on September 11, 2012, 07:21:43 PM
its all a learning experience.
Oh for sure mate, its all good.
I am one of those that usually has more questions than
answers, so you have my understanding.
I have found this forum to be fairly straight forward.
8)
Quote from: Pimander on September 11, 2012, 04:38:11 PM
So yes, there is a story that is pure disinformation. I'll have a lot more to say on that when I'm good and ready. However, there is very good evidence that there have been intelligently controlled craft (not just plasma critters) of unknown origin and the military and NORAD (therefore probably NASA) are aware of. This class of possibly alien UFO is quite rare but very real and unlikely to be black project in every case.
My perspective on this issue, seems to be similar to that of Stanton Friedman. Namely, that 99% of the material in the entire UFO scene is garbage. Not necessarily deliberate garbage, even; just false alarms from the public, and the usual hype and white noise that you get anywhere. The government controlled craft also IMHO belong in this category, even if they involve tech which the civilian population doesn't know about. I think Project Camelot are correct in assuming that elements of the American government, are vastly more technologically advanced than the civilian population.
Once you clear all of that away, however, you are left with a 1% kernel of genuinely anomalous information, which does warrant a second look. The genuine stuff in the CE4 category belongs here; and I've also tended to notice that what I'm willing to consider genuine sightings, (CE1/CE2) have a fairly consistent set of characteristics, as well.
So, skeptics who think that literally
everything is garbage where UFOs are concerned, are wrong. Most of it, however, still is.
Quote from: Pimander on September 11, 2012, 04:38:11 PM
Not so fast.
I did say "What IF" :P
QuoteSo yes, there is a story that is pure disinformation. I'll have a lot more to say on that when I'm good and ready. However, there is very good evidence that there have been intelligently controlled craft (not just plasma critters) of unknown origin and the military and NORAD (therefore probably NASA) are aware of. This class of possibly alien UFO is quite rare but very real and unlikely to be black project in every case.
Yes I agree I have always said 80% Critter, 15% Black Ops and 5% real visitors
Holloman was real.. 1950's "Venusian Flap" was real
Cattle Mutilation was black ops fear mongering. 90% of current "Orb" photos are just camera artifacts. The new agers and ufo nuts are their own worst enemy...
Very few people take the time to verify anything... if the story teller has charisma they just accept it as true without question and buy the book and CD :P
Then those stories are cloned and further "embellished" all over the web and sold as "truth" When you dare challenge it then you become the bad guy and get called a disinfo agent LOL
Only a small handful of people really care about the 'truth'... they would rather have their own personal version verified
8)
QuoteOnce you clear all of that away, however, you are left with a 1% kernel of genuinely anomalous information, which does warrant a second look. The genuine stuff in the CE4 category belongs here;
Yes
QuoteCattle Mutilation was black ops fear mongering. 90% of current "Orb" photos are just camera artifacts. The new agers and ufo nuts are their own worst enemy...
Yes.
Very few people take the time to verify anything... if the story teller has charisma they just accept it as true without question and buy the book and CD
Yes!.
QuoteThen those stories are cloned and further "embellished" all over the web and sold as "truth" When you dare challenge it then you become the bad guy and get called a disinfo agent LOL
QuoteOnly a small handful of people really care about the 'truth'... they would rather have their own personal version verified
YES!
Well i guess that goes for me too, my version of 'the truth' is maybe different from yours, but we are singing the same song here! And i know that if they are here it is but to learn something from us poor humans, kept in the dark for SO long...
MIB beware, we not only know your motives, we are catching up on your secrets as well...
See ya 8)
Well, mt triage and nursing skills at at your disposal. I do pretty well with the sight of bleeding heads.
Shasta
Quote from: zorgon on September 11, 2012, 05:07:55 AM
So if your worried about spooks listening in to you, you need to not post at a conspiracy site and if you are afraid they 'they' can RV your mind then you need to think about floweres and cute little puppies or ferrets
Exzackly, my medieval friend; paranoia tends to take the fun out of the whole experience ;D
Unless one of us out here on the 'lunatic fringe' actually does reveal or discover something fantastic that would totally change the timeline I just don't see any need to worry.
The quest for knowledge, the thrill of discovery, and the camaraderie of sharing with other seekers of true information as we stumble along is what motivates me; if we weren't watched by the spookz would worry me. :o
After all, thinking outside the box and questioning the patterned pat answers is what got us here to begin with.
seeker
Quote from: the seeker on September 12, 2012, 02:53:23 AM
Unless one of us out here on the 'lunatic fringe' actually does reveal or discover something fantastic that would totally change the timeline I just don't see any need to worry.
seeker
Excepting which happens all the time, and the world is conditioned to not see it.
Wise words, Janitor :)
Being an 'electrical engineer' i have learned all the things they have learned, but i saw at once that it was not the whole story.
I always tell young apprentice engineers that we do not know everything about electricity, despite what we have learned in the 'conventional' sense, we are still only scratching the surface....
I could indulge Seeker in long discussions on this, if we had the time?
QuoteThe quest for knowledge, the thrill of discovery, and the camaraderie of sharing with other seekers of true information as we stumble along is what motivates me; if we weren't watched by the spookz would worry me.
YES! Absolutely.
After all, the spooks are looking for answers too. And they know that we are as close as any in those secret bunkers to finding the truth...
Maybe that worries them, they should not be ashamed of this, they are welcome to share with us in this voyage of discovery.
This isnt about one man or a group of men, it is about all humanity, our future, & nothing less than that....
Maybe the Spooks are worried if "We the People.." know to much, we won't need the Spooks any more
There are over 120 Spook Agencies in the USA alone :D
Free Energy means millions of Spooks in the unemployment line :P
Surely they can go & find something else to cover up?
The cat is almost out of the bag, if i were them, i'd start reading the 'vacancies' section of the newspaper LOL
Serves them right for being a part of this great deception we call 'government'
>:(
Dont know about the cattle mutilation being all black ops, just mho.
an airforce dr invented the cauterizing scalpel.around the same time as the mutilations began.
anywhere linda howe or stanton friedman is dont believe the stories.its probly a coverup.
Quote from: robomont on September 14, 2012, 01:48:47 AM
an airforce dr invented the cauterizing scalpel.around the same time as the mutilations began.
anywhere linda howe or stanton friedman is dont believe the stories.its probly a coverup.
My suggestion is to take a look where nukes were tested. Plot on a map where nuclear tests happened. Plot numbers of mutilations. They will correlate is my hypothesis. Or they would if secret underground tests were taken into account.
Cover up? Yes.
Aliens and cattle mutilations? Nonsense IMO.
Early stealth helicopters used? Yes, as this was done in secret and you can't get there by road.
Dulce? Underground nuclear test site nearby.
Any questions?
agreed
That should have been a thread and showed the months of research involved but I'm not in the mood.
Any questions?
Quote from: Pimander on September 16, 2012, 05:59:00 PM
Any questions?
Methinks you are the one with the good questions. There can be no good answers without good questions.
Thanks for the compliment. However, apart from about four members, I'm ignored by the folks who post on this site. I suspect I may have been noticed by some who rarely post of course...
Quote from: Pimander on September 16, 2012, 06:42:10 PM
Thanks for the compliment. However, apart from about four members, I'm ignored by the folks who post on this site. I suspect I may have been noticed by some who rarely post of course...
YW. It is close to harvest time. This is 2012 and widely believed to be a time of change.
Quote from: Pimander on September 16, 2012, 06:42:10 PM
Thanks for the compliment. However, apart from about four members, I'm ignored by the folks who post on this site. I suspect I may have been noticed by some who rarely post of course...
Noone should ignore the divine Pimander!
With always a wise word, and a kind thoughtful post, he sets the bar high!
Even if youre a man in black Pim, Im proud to be a colleague of yours!
Now, get that pen out and erase my memory again!LOL!
Le
Quote from: Littleenki on September 16, 2012, 07:47:56 PMLOL!
Le
I second that. ;D
I'll take an IOU. I'm used to it! LOL!
Quote from: Pimander on September 16, 2012, 05:51:46 PM
My suggestion is to take a look where nukes were tested. Plot on a map where nuclear tests happened. Plot numbers of mutilations. They will correlate is my hypothesis. Or they would if secret underground tests were taken into account.
Cover up? Yes.
Aliens and cattle mutilations? Nonsense IMO.
Early stealth helicopters used? Yes, as this was done in secret and you can't get there by road.
Dulce? Underground nuclear test site nearby.
Any questions?
Greetings:
QuotePlot on a map where nuclear tests happened.
OKPoison Fire USA (http://www.animatedsoftware.com/poifu/poifu.swf)
Quote from: thorfourwinds on September 16, 2012, 08:19:05 PM
OK
Nice map :D Love the way they showed all the blasts in Nevada :D
Just a few miles up the road from me...
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-TKvAtwQkO4A/TqLNM9XlUTI/AAAAAAAACcA/zCe98-ga294/s1600/craters.jpg)
8)
ionizing rainwater systerns?
twentieth century water purifier?
are there any diamonds in them holes?
nice pic zorgon.
Yeah, with all those craters, you could fake a moon landing!
:-X :-X :-X
Quote from: PLAYSWITHMACHINES on September 17, 2012, 04:17:43 PM
Yeah, with all those craters, you could fake a moon landing!
:-X :-X :-X
Some were, some weren't. Go ask John, over time I have seen his knowledge verified. You don't run missions for the CIA for thirty years without picking it up.
Quote from: TheJanitor on September 13, 2012, 01:49:50 AM
Excepting which happens all the time, and the world is conditioned to not see it.
A very true statement, my friend; Joe Sixpack is well conditioned and programmed to notice very little outside his/her personal slice of reality...
the tales of the south american natives not being able to see the ships of the conquistadors rings true; they had never seen any ship of any kind, had no point of reference in their daily routine, therefore could not 'see' the ships bobbing at anchor offshore...
seeker
Quote from: PLAYSWITHMACHINES on September 13, 2012, 11:31:18 PM
Wise words, Janitor :)
I could indulge Seeker in long discussions on this, if we had the time?
Indeed, my friend, and I look forward to having some of those discussions with you and several others...
Our friend the Janitor will give us much to ponder and contemplate, even if only in bits and pieces or parable form... 8)
seeker
Quote from: Pimander on September 16, 2012, 06:42:10 PM
Thanks for the compliment. However, apart from about four members, I'm ignored by the folks who post on this site. I suspect I may have been noticed by some who rarely post of course...
Nay, friend, you aren't ignored; there are those here that do pay attention and agree with you; as the J has said, you could put forth interesting questions...
seeker
Quote from: zorgon on September 11, 2012, 04:51:11 AM
Well I have a plan that a requires "a few good men" (or women) with some basic skills to do a little work and make a LOT of money :D
But they would have to be serious and actually have the needed skills :D
But that is another story :P
Anything I can do now that I am settled?
Quote from: the seeker on September 20, 2012, 02:39:41 AM
Our friend the Janitor will give us much to ponder and contemplate, even if only in bits and pieces or parable form... 8)
seeker
Thank you Seeker. I don't see any immediate threat to body and soul, and loved ones, if it stays in the theory area. The Genie appears only when the lamp is rubbed, I'm not doing that, not at this stage. And I highly recommend any effort to materialize it be only when the Planetary Revolution Council is in full swing. This translates to all levels of power. Think equivalent to big oil power. Then it can ripen.
Quote from: zorgon on September 13, 2012, 11:34:41 PM
Maybe the Spooks are worried if "We the People.." know to much, we won't need the Spooks any more
There are over 120 Spook Agencies in the USA alone :D
Free Energy means millions of Spooks in the unemployment line :P
Wrong. Free energy means million who have no reason to go to work and can choose to go fishing and not worry about money... Or They could choose to go traveling... Or build models... Or teach children... Or make a movie... Or become an actor... Or become an archaeologist... Or.......
No "unemployment line" to be found.
Maybe the Janitor is a MIB sent to cleanse :P
Quote from: zorgon on September 20, 2012, 03:55:55 AM
Maybe the Janitor is a MIB sent to cleanse :P
Seriously, there was a time cheese and smarts went together. Why not again?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVg6tWdDc2U
Janitor, 5 mops up, that was cool, thanks! I love the music, the rural setting and tractor, and UFO all together... ah, that cheese! :)
Treat yourself Primus and watch the whole thing! You'll never come back to these times.
Quote from: TheJanitor on September 20, 2012, 02:50:23 PM
Treat yourself Primus and watch the whole thing! You'll never come back to these times.
Ok Janitor, Im ready for my abduction!
Hot girls, cheese and checkered hats?
It must be heaven!
LOL!
Cheers!
Quote from: the seeker on September 20, 2012, 02:45:29 AM
Nay, friend, you aren't ignored; there are those here that do pay attention and agree with you; as the J has said, you could put forth interesting questions...
That's nice to hear. Thank you (and Enki & Janitor).
To be honest, I wonder whether my career (what is left of it!) is at risk with all this. Are we just wasting our time here or not?
Quote from: Pimander on September 20, 2012, 07:03:53 PM
To be honest, I wonder whether my career (what is left of it!) is at risk with all this. Are we just wasting our time here or not?
Use the ideas to apply for provisional patents. Sell the patents to companies. Then there is progress.
Quote from: TheJanitor on September 20, 2012, 07:46:44 PM
Use the ideas to apply for provisional patents. Sell the patents to companies. Then there is progress.
sound like great idea to me!
Quote from: TheJanitor on September 20, 2012, 07:46:44 PM
Use the ideas to apply for provisional patents. Sell the patents to companies. Then there is progress.
how do i get
Quote from: TheJanitor on September 20, 2012, 07:46:44 PM
Use the ideas to apply for provisional patents. Sell the patents to companies. Then there is progress.
how do i learn about what you have to share? i am interested!
tyvm
Quote from: TheJanitor on September 20, 2012, 07:46:44 PM
Use the ideas to apply for provisional patents. Sell the patents to companies. Then there is progress.
What, sell the patents? The oil companies have the money to buy them.... :o
There was a high school kid in Thunderbay Ontario Canada many years ago..
He invented a Carburetor that installed on ANY car of the day would give you minimum 100 miles per gallon...
Story is that the patent was bought off for 6 million.
Never heard of that kid again, which begs the question, did they pay him off for silence? or did they spend $1.25 for a piece of lead to ensure silence?
Quote from: zorgon on September 20, 2012, 08:24:27 PM
There was a high school kid in Thunderbay Ontario Canada many years ago..
He invented a Carburetor that installed on ANY car of the day would give you minimum 100 miles per gallon...
Story is that the patent was bought off for 6 million.
Never heard of that kid again, which begs the question, did they pay him off for silence? or did they spend $1.25 for a piece of lead to ensure silence?
Maybe it ran on leaded gas....
Le
You mean this...
http://autos.sympatico.ca/waste-gate/13808/100-miles-per-gallon-in-your-dreams (http://autos.sympatico.ca/waste-gate/13808/100-miles-per-gallon-in-your-dreams)
.... i dunno if their in here, but i may have just seen one at my local store. 8) :o or it could have been just a man dressed in black; no blazer or hat though and the sunglasses were kinda sparkly..... ;D ;D 8)
tyvm
There are many more ideas to work with than FE, AG, whatever. We don't have to design time machines, only better widgets and mouse traps. There is a serious lack of creativity out there, now is as good a time as any to make it happen.
Quote from: zorgon on September 20, 2012, 08:24:27 PM
There was a high school kid in Thunderbay Ontario Canada many years ago..
He invented a Carburetor that installed on ANY car of the day would give you minimum 100 miles per gallon...
Story is that the patent was bought off for 6 million.
Never heard of that kid again, which begs the question, did they pay him off for silence? or did they spend $1.25 for a piece of lead to ensure silence?
The story I am familiar with is of one Thomas Pough; the Pough carburetor on a '66 caddy sedan de ville with a 472 got over 80 mph, as the story goes; patent was bought by Standard Oil for 6 million, and 6 months later bro Pough assumed room temperature...
seeker
Probably not the ideal place to post it, but whilst we are on the subject, we should have a call for inventions. Every six months, pick the best out, submit the paperwork, and sell. After a few years when the momentum is built up enough, tackle the big ones. Then we will be an actual consortium with a well funded revolution annex.
Otherwise I agree with the divine Pimander, we're burning rubber and getting nowhere.
Quote from: TheJanitor on September 20, 2012, 10:58:08 PM
There are many more ideas to work with than FE, AG, whatever. We don't have to design time machines, only better widgets and mouse traps. There is a serious lack of creativity out there, now is as good a time as any to make it happen.
I must agree; I am waiting on someone to configure an infernal combustion with super cooling; since we actually only pull approximately 3% of the available energy out of gasoline due to the heat issues...
or an improved version of Bob Lazar's hydrogen system that doesn't require a fed regulated nuclear isotope...
seeker
Janitor,
QuoteThere are many more ideas to work with than FE, AG, whatever. We don't have to design time machines, only better widgets and mouse traps.
By all means do so, but we're not talking about widgets here. As Z pointed out, many great patents get bought & shelved :(
No patents, No 'intellectual rights'-just free & easy plans to build your own free energy & antigravity future, and not be beholden to anyone. Certainly not those who have so much already...
QuoteThere is a serious lack of creativity out there,
Really?
Quotenow is as good a time as any to make it happen.
It has
always been a good time ;)
QuoteProbably not the ideal place to post it, but whilst we are on the subject, we should have a call for inventions. Every six months, pick the best out, submit the paperwork, and sell. After a few years when the momentum is built up enough, tackle the big ones. Then we will be an actual consortium with a well funded revolution annex.
Not a bad idea, i have a whole forum on the subject....
While it may provide much needed funds for the consortium & it's research, we will of course be prevented from bringing anything 'taboo' on the market. Gadgets yes, Flying saucers or water powered cars, no.
QuoteOtherwise I agree with the divine Pimander, we're burning rubber and getting nowhere.
A muscle car does burn some rubber
before it really gets going, we are getting somewhere, Pegasus has been around for just 1 year, remember....We're not even in 3rd gear yet.
I think we're doing fine, let's just not lose sight of our goals, or sell ouselves for a handful of rice ;)
its hard to come up with the next cutting edge idea when we dont work everyday with cutting edge equipment and demands.
Quote from: robomont on September 21, 2012, 11:51:31 PM
its hard to come up with the next cutting edge idea when we dont work everyday with cutting edge equipment and demands.
Yeah excatly true mate.
We Need more leaks and this site HAS to be a place for Real Leaks 8)
MIB get ya arse in here ASAP :P
Quote from: robomont on September 21, 2012, 11:51:31 PM
its hard to come up with the next cutting edge idea when we dont work everyday with cutting edge equipment and demands.
Its hard to walk when our legs aren't strong enough.
Try this. A bathroom scale powered by a heat differential in the floor. What's new? It fits in with the rest of the tiles. All the way to the color and caliber.
Think like that. You don't need a facility, just drafting tools.
Since not everyone has tiles in the bathroom nor do theywant to rip up old ones just to add a scale, I think laying down a sheet that gets excited when you step on it would work out for all floors. Like a sheet of flexible mylar. Stick it in front of the sink or toilet as decoration when off and fuctionial when stepped on.
Like the fish tank strips that tell the temperature.
Quote from: TheJanitor on September 22, 2012, 12:06:12 AM
Its hard to walk when our legs aren't strong enough.
Try this. A bathroom scale powered by a heat differential in the floor. What's new? It fits in with the rest of the tiles. All the way to the color and caliber.
Think like that. You don't need a facility, just drafting tools.
How about one built right into the toilet seat, powered by the heat off your arse....It build im a couple of IC's and it can tell you your weight, give you your favorite news and talk radio, and check your voice mails...
Quote from: the seeker on September 21, 2012, 10:40:26 AM
or an improved version of Bob Lazar's hydrogen system that doesn't require a fed regulated nuclear isotope...
There's a guy 100 yards from where I sit now with a Hydrogen Generator in his car. He hardly ever has to refuel with gas. surely we can improve on it?
I'll ask him what model he uses when I see him if you like?
Quote from: Pimander on September 22, 2012, 01:12:37 PM
There's a guy 100 yards from where I sit now with a Hydrogen Generator in his car. He hardly ever has to refuel with gas. surely we can improve on it?
I'll ask him what model he uses when I see him if you like?
Some guy is selling them online...
http://www.globalenergydevices.com/ (http://www.globalenergydevices.com/)
Quote from: andolin on September 22, 2012, 01:08:49 PM
How about one built right into the toilet seat, powered by the heat off your arse....It build im a couple of IC's and it can tell you your weight, give you your favorite news and talk radio, and check your voice mails...
...And it can tell you what you had for breakfast :P
Quote from: PLAYSWITHMACHINES on September 22, 2012, 08:09:27 PM
...And it can tell you what you had for breakfast :P
awesome....
my brain just shorted out. so thats all i can say. lol
Quote from: Pimander on September 22, 2012, 01:12:37 PM
There's a guy 100 yards from where I sit now with a Hydrogen Generator in his car. He hardly ever has to refuel with gas. surely we can improve on it?
I'll ask him what model he uses when I see him if you like?
You need to see this thread, Pim old mate;
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=2786.0 (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=2786.0)
For those of you who don't have access, here's a piece of it;
QuoteWhat i can tell you is that water can be split using very little energy, using a combination of techniques like high voltages, pulse circuits, resonance etc. And this can run your car, with a few slight modifications.
From Wiki:
Quote
There is no documented proof that the system produces enough hydrogen to run an engine. To date no peer review studies of Meyer's devices have been published in the scientific literature, although his claims have been thoroughly discredited in scientific journals.[2]
Well, there is now
Quote
Lawsuit
In 1996, Meyer was sued by two investors to whom he had sold dealerships, offering the right to do business in Water Fuel Cell technology. His car was due to be examined by the expert witness Michael Laughton, Professor of Electrical Engineering at Queen Mary, University of London and Fellow of the Royal Academy of Engineering. However, Meyer made what Professor Laughton considered a "lame excuse" on the days of examination and did not allow the test to proceed.[3] According to Meyer the technology was patent pending and under investigation by the patent office, the Department of Energy and the military.[14] His "water fuel cell" was later examined by three expert witnesses in court who found that there "was nothing revolutionary about the cell at all and that it was simply using conventional electrolysis". The court found Meyer guilty of "gross and egregious fraud" and ordered him to repay the two investors their $25,000.[3]
Meyer's death.
Stanley Meyer died suddenly on March 21, 1998 after dining at a restaurant. An autopsy report by the Franklin County, Ohio coroner concluded that Meyer had died of a cerebral aneurysm, but conspiracy theorists insist that he was poisoned to suppress the technology, and that oil companies and the United States government were involved in his death.[1][2]
Wiki failed to mention he was attacked & beaten to the ground a few times...
In honour of this brave and talented man, we have decided to open source everything.
Members of the I.F. have done this research, and showed me their results. We swapped some ideas, and everyone went to their sheds to tinker.
So far we have at least 2 independent verifications of this technology.
We used both a low-tech and high-tech approach, both worked.
Here is Stan's original paper:
http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?z77xjiunlxbwxdw
And here is an expanded version, with an independent analysis by P.G.Bailey and T.Grotz including legal documents, testimonies etc:
http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?35nemclvf31mj65
Undaunted, we decided to go ahead, using both 'brute force' and 'resonant' techniques.
In other words, it's been verified several times....
Quote from: PLAYSWITHMACHINES on September 22, 2012, 08:17:13 PM
In other words, it's been verified several times....
Apparently his H-Gen is illegal here so he uses it in secret. Perhaps we have the best way forward there. ;)
Quote from: deuem on September 22, 2012, 07:53:15 AMI think laying down a sheet that gets excited when you step on it would work out for all floors.
Like the fish tank strips that tell the temperature.
Now THATS what I am talking about! This thinking...
That can be done using piezoelectric materials. I'll start a thread on this in the near future as we can easily design some devices. I'll take it to inventors forum. ;)
There is also piezomagnetic to try to harness magnetic changes in the environment. Lots to go at here guys if you're game. :)
ETA: When I said best way forward, I menat black market and underground. How revolutionary is that. ;)
Quote from: the seeker on September 21, 2012, 10:40:26 AM
I must agree; I am waiting on someone to configure an infernal combustion with super cooling; since we actually only pull approximately 3% of the available energy out of gasoline due to the heat issues...
or an improved version of Bob Lazar's hydrogen system that doesn't require a fed regulated nuclear isotope...
seeker
For you 8)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfBdPKxk35k
Im guessing Bob and Stan are together right now...wishing our world would come to its senses!
HHO...can anyone make it happen without getting murdered?
Le
i dont believe it.
if it were so then lightning on the ocean would burn up the world?
Quote from: Littleenki on September 23, 2012, 07:09:42 PM
Im guessing Bob and Stan are together right now...wishing our world would come to its senses!
HHO...can anyone make it happen without getting murdered?
Le
Bob is dead ????? Missed that one..How..Google seems confused on the issue.
Quote from: thorfourwinds on September 23, 2012, 06:54:44 PM
For you 8)
Hi Thor; I am well acquainted with Bob's system, touched base with him last year about it; again, as he mentioned, the problem is with the hydride's, and I just don't have the clout to build my own particle accelerator...
seeker
Quote from: robomont on September 23, 2012, 09:33:40 PM
i dont believe it.
So believe it now.
http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/login.jsp?tp=&arnumber=6088014&url=http%3A%2F%2Fieeexplore.ieee.org%2Fxpls%2Fabs_all.jsp%3Farnumber%3D6088014 (http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/login.jsp?tp=&arnumber=6088014&url=http%3A%2F%2Fieeexplore.ieee.org%2Fxpls%2Fabs_all.jsp%3Farnumber%3D6088014)
Quote from: Littleenki on September 23, 2012, 07:09:42 PM
HHO...can anyone make it happen without getting murdered?
Le
Of course...so long as it is for performance purposes, and ultimately entertainment, and not a fix for big oil. Get big oil to sponsor a race car. Yeah, that's the strategy...
Quote from: Pimander on September 23, 2012, 06:45:46 PMI'll start a thread on this in the near future as we can easily design some devices. I'll take it to inventors forum.
Respect 8)
Regarding my comments about underground use of alternative energy....
Think about this. There are lots of patents for technologies that are owned by various less than scrupulous bastards who want it locked up. They may have little legitimate commercial value except as pointers for new tech as nobody is allowed to sell them. However, they have enormous value to a thriving free energy black market that hasn't been created yet. ;)
'Free energy black market' I like the sound of that 8)
Can i be the spiv?
Bob is right, if they classify Lithium 6 Deuteride as weapons-grade material then we can't get our hands on it....
But there is an easier way, Meyer's system makes gas on demand, so there's no need to store it, the only trick is getting more than 1 liter per minute to run a small car on, within a certain amount of space, and using his resonant techniques it is possible to split the water using very little energy (actually less than a decent car stereo).And it's also the safest, no tanks in the boot.
Of all the free energy ideas out there, this is the most practical since it can be done now and it can be used directly on existing petrol engines.
Since the exhaust is just water vapour, it's 100% clean as well. That alone means we should all be using it now, instead of fancy 'electric' cars which you have to charge from a wall socket that get's it's power from (you guessed it) oil.
They are being clever arent they?
I will take some time to review & draw up some plans for the multi-pipe separator, pulse-width supply, gas regulation & flashback arrestors etc, most of which is already commercially available :P
This at least will keep our cars & generators running until we can get the real free energy machines up & running.
Quote from: PLAYSWITHMACHINES on September 24, 2012, 12:05:09 PM
This at least will keep our cars & generators running until we can get the real free energy machines up & running.
If it can keep my generator running then job done as far as I'm concerned. :)
Quote from: PLAYSWITHMACHINES on September 24, 2012, 12:05:09 PM
I will take some time to review & draw up some plans for the multi-pipe separator, pulse-width supply, gas regulation & flashback arrestors etc, most of which is already commercially available :P
This at least will keep our cars & generators running until we can get the real free energy machines up & running.
Please do; I am working on the J's idea for h2o2; shouldn't be too difficult to rig up a test model using a plastic tank with an internal ground, use a a coilpack just for the model with a stainless steel pin, split the signal going to one of the coil packs on the engine, then run a 3/8ths vacuum line from the can to the intake port...
my reasoning is that just building a booster for any vehicle that most anyone can afford will not only help everyone by saving a few of those hard earned pesos but perhaps add a little more funding to the kitty as well...
without attracting too much attention... 8)
seeker
Quote from: Littleenki on September 23, 2012, 07:09:42 PM
Im guessing Bob and Stan are together right now...wishing our world would come to its senses!
HHO...can anyone make it happen without getting murdered?
Le
The only way we're going to do it, is literally household by household. We need to form small groups of individuals who we know are trustworthy, and then if one individual implements it themselves, they then implement it for everyone else in that group.
We need to abandon the conventional idea of getting a patent and taking it to market, and the inventor becoming rich. That is not how this will happen. This is a technology which transcends Capitalism, and it cannot be implemented successfully, within a Capitalist framework.
Quote from: petrus4 on September 25, 2012, 02:54:32 AM... then if...
Operative phrase
QuoteWe need to abandon the conventional idea of getting a patent and taking it to market, and the inventor becoming rich.
Agreed. Not THAT technology. In the interim, how about sandpaper sandals? Help build calluses for going barefoot, shed dead skin, wash them off and they are good to go. Market: 7.5 +/- 2.5 billion people, renewable.
I agree with Petrus4
Time to write a shopping list for the parts :)
I need some glass vessels anyway, for that 'fusor' project, the gravitor, and now one for HHO testing, and some 316L stainless pipe, some transistors...
This is going to be fun!
Here is an example of a bad invention. I am choosing shoes because almost everyone wears them and they fit the profit categories.
http://www.toningshoesinjury.com/ (http://www.toningshoesinjury.com/)
It is important to keep in mind during the course of designing better widgets, safety, ease of maintenance, and durability...
I design and build fish tanks. I have one running in the home of a wealthy client, right in the sitting room. If there is an accident, it could cost me hundreds of thousands. I had to make it accident free, as much as possible, and easy to maintain. If these items are not taken into account, it could waste hundreds of man hours. This is true for all inventions.
When I designed a "flying saucer" a few years back, I took into account power loss. I designed it to glide into a landing, and be manually steerable. This is the kind of engineering quality which must be included in a good invention. Most inventions will be improvements over old ones, where these items were not taken into account.
My H2O2 injector will not blow up. I have seen the twisted remains of manifold intakes and venturi valves by HHO systems because the design did not cover all contingencies. At least my version runs on a vacuum, and thus prevents blowback.
That joke about a better toilet seat which has been toyed with in the forum is actually right on. There can be a sensor for anything and everything. If anyone gets hard up for ideas, go out and talk to people. They are already good consumers, and will be ready to bitch about the slightest details.
This is a massive untapped field. No one is doing it. Maybe the Japanese, Brits, and French are doing the most, in the states its a few individuals.
What about chair mats? Nowadays they come from China and fall apart after a month. I have some of the old ones, even outside they hold together year after year. How about a chair mat that doesn't collect dirt underneath, doesn't leave indentations in the floor, and doesn't fall apart after six months?
Any of these could net us millions. So there you have it.
I tried this with my brother in 1982.
We had an idea for a parking gadget, using 4 ultrasonic sensors, and a simple display & some bleeps, which got faster as you got nearer to the object.
You may have heard of such a thing?
That idea was stolen from us & sold to GM >:(
Since then i have kept such things to myself, but if you all want to go ahead & market something, i will be happy to help.
It would be nice if we could market something from 'Pegasus Research Consortium' with all profits going back to it, to fund more projects.
That way we would be in the unique position to fund our research without being answerable to 'sponsors' or vested interests.....cool!
Quote from: PLAYSWITHMACHINES on September 26, 2012, 12:44:51 PM
I need some glass vessels anyway, for that 'fusor' project, the gravitor, and now one for HHO testing, and some 316L stainless pipe, some transistors...
This is going to be fun!
Have you tried united nuclear for glassware? You never know, Bob might give us a discount. :D
Quote from: TheJanitor on September 26, 2012, 12:54:10 PM
Any of these could net us millions. So there you have it.
Quote from: PLAYSWITHMACHINES on September 26, 2012, 01:11:34 PM
It would be nice if we could market something from 'Pegasus Research Consortium' with all profits going back to it, to fund more projects.
guys, I think Petrus means that within a capitalist framework the "free energy" technology is not workable. I completely agree with him. I for one do not wish to have my head blown off. It needs to be underground.
On the other hand, other new technologies are game as a means to generate cash legitimately/legally.
Quote from: PLAYSWITHMACHINES on September 26, 2012, 01:11:34 PM
That way we would be in the unique position to fund our research without being answerable to 'sponsors' or vested interests.....cool!
Precisely. :)
any feedback on a magnetic wheel as an energy source?
Quote from: Pimander on September 26, 2012, 02:16:37 PM
On the other hand, other new technologies are game as a means to generate cash legitimately/legally.
So okay... why don't we get together a system to make cheap solar panels that you can do it at home that will save up to 120% of your power bill?
Easy to install, easy to make with basic skills and has the potential to run your meter in reverse so you get a check back from the power company?
Anyone?
There is a new printer out that prints small solar panels, much the same as are being assembled in cheap labor markets right now.
You just fed them silicone wafers and they go to work breaking them up and then print the panels.
They are pretty small but all you have to do is wire them in series.
Now I mention that because I have already bought TWO courses on doing just that... but haven't had the time to study them yet.
Since we have an energy team here, I can put a section in private and share the info... with the intent that you techies use that info to make working models.
My power bill in the summer is in the $450.00 a month range... I set it now for equal billing but that comes to $325.00 a month. With the extended heat wave this year its literally killing me :P
Now If I can put these solar panels in and cut that even 50% it would be a blessing
No one is bumping people off for solar energy...
Solar energy is TRUE FREE ENERGY once the collectors are built. Over unity? No of course not, but it doesn't cost us anything and the Sun has been powering the planet... well forever :P
So once the initial cost of these collectors and converter is covered... FREE ENERGY and if done right a paycheck monthly from the power company.
Seems to me that this is both doable, and can create a business. It will help many people that live in houses with high power bills and relieve stress. The power companies won't bother us because they sell the power to commercial uses at a higher rate and here in Nevada there is actually a LAW that requires Nevada Power to pay you for excess that you feed back to the system
Now I don't have the time to set up a shop to experiment. That is why we have the group.
I paid approximately $50.00 each for these two do-it-yourself courses so right there is a way to make money by making our own version of an instruction course (with no plagiarism)
But if we can put together a kit, get a lawyer to make sure all is above board and meets regulations, we can solve our own power needs first and thus have real testimonials that it works
Our group already has admin in Australia, Brazil and the UK... this can easily be made global and actually provide some jobs or at least supplement income
We would need a business staff... we can eventually make a deal with local contractors to install it for those not mechanically inclined
But the potential is here...
I propose we set up a private room... and those interested will need to sign a contract... but from glancing over the material this looks easy to do. I just need some of you experimental techies to vet it and make a prototype
Exotic Free Energy may be great, but in the INTERIM why not get off the grid with solar?
For the cold months I installed a wood burning stove... so my gas bill will only cover the hat water. Once the solar is installed I can switch hot water and heat to electric too :D
So think about it and lets get busy reaping the Sun's energy.
The Military does it :P Even Nevada put in a solar collector and are selling that to us here :D
OH and I also have plans for a small unobtrusive wind turbine you can make at home
Quote from: petrus4 on September 25, 2012, 02:54:32 AM
We need to abandon the conventional idea of getting a patent and taking it to market, and the inventor becoming rich. That is not how this will happen. This is a technology which transcends Capitalism, and it cannot be implemented successfully, within a Capitalist framework.
Well it won't work to well in a Communist framework either. And I am to old to wait for a new framework.
So in the INTERIM, providing cheap devices to use the free energy provided by the sun household by household will begin to achieve the same goal... cheaper energy for the people (its actually free for LIFE after the initial install and a small maintenance consideration)
Don't need patents... those are already done. The technology is already 'open source' ANYONE can make solar collectors legally with just basic skills. If you can't make them, you can buy the parts cheap and have the kid across the street put them together
Getting rich? Why the hell not? I would love to be able to go see a doctor and fix my ailments. I would love to travel the world while there is still something to see...
And its a lot easier to sell YOUR plan if you have money to fund presentations :P
As long as we live within the system, we can use the tools of that system to make a difference. If you cannot see that as a positive step, then YOU are part of the problem, not the solution
Quote from: zorgon on September 26, 2012, 07:49:04 PM
Getting rich? Why the hell not? I would love to be able to go see a doctor and fix my ailments. I would love to travel the world while there is still something to see...
The problem with wanting to get rich from an alternative energy device, is that becoming wealthy requires drawing attention to yourself; which in the context that we are talking about, is also likely to get you killed. I am not advocating avoiding making money from a device that you've invented because I am inherently anti-money; but trying to go through the usual market process, means that by necessity you put yourself on the radar of certain people. Said people have demonstrated abundant willingness to murder inventors in this area before.
That is why, if it is going to be deployed on a wide scale at all, guerilla tactics are necessary. This in turn means that the involvement of money needs to be kept to a minimum; because unless we're talking about pure cash, money is also traceable.
Quote from: Pimander on September 26, 2012, 02:16:37 PM
guys, I think Petrus means that within a capitalist framework the "free energy" technology is not workable. I completely agree with him. I for one do not wish to have my head blown off. It needs to be underground.
That is exactly what I mean.
The central problem with money, is that involving yourself with it, immediately puts you in the sandbox of a particular group of people; most of whom are completely and irredeemably corrupt. This is no different from any other activity; if you get involved in archery, for instance, you're likely to end up associating with people from the archery scene. Making money has as much of a subculture associated with it as any other hobby out there, and as a free energy inventor, if you associate with that subculture, they are going to want to kill you, because they will see you as a threat.
Quote from: petrus4 on September 26, 2012, 08:09:36 PM
and as a free energy inventor, if you associate with that subculture, they are going to want to kill you, because they will see you as a threat.
The reason for that is simple. The kind of 'free energy' that you are referring to has a problem...
Unlike solar power and burning wood for free heat.... it can be EASILY converted to weapons use.
If everyone has access to that unlimited (say EG or Zero point) energy, then ANYONE can make a powerful weapon like TESLA did with his resonance and death ray
THAT is why they will take you out... not because of MONEY
They won't bother you with solar energy, because you cannot 9easily) turn that into a weapon to use against them
And trust me, human nature being what it is, there will be a small percentage (which translates into MILLIONS (like Muslim extremists for one example) that will have no qualms and no hesitation to turn free energy into a weapon
This is the main reason why you will NEVER see this technology freely released
Quote from: zorgon on September 26, 2012, 07:49:04 PM
Well it won't work to well in a Communist framework either. And I am to old to wait for a new framework.
Well, it will work to bring an abundanist framework about...
As I tweet often: "I am not a #communist, a #socialist, a #capitalist, a #fascist, a #nihilist... I AM an #ABUNDANCIST."
Quote from: Amaterasu on September 26, 2012, 08:29:05 PM
Well, it will work to bring an abundanist framework about...
Time frame to realization?In the mean time....
Give the people LIGHT
Solar is the way to go :P and you already have it in your nick name
Quote from: zorgon on September 26, 2012, 08:19:09 PM
Unlike solar power and burning wood for free heat.... it can be EASILY converted to weapons use.
If everyone has access to that unlimited (say EG or Zero point) energy, then ANYONE can make a powerful weapon like TESLA did with his resonance and death ray
Yes, maturity is a prerequisite for it.
We've only really got one war going on at the moment now though, Zorgon. The war between the Jews and the Arabs. Truthfully, if you really look at it, that's actually the only war we've had for a long, long time. The only thing that has really changed has been the battlefields; but I can't think of a single major conflict from the last 150 years that the Jews either were not indirectly responsible for, or that did not involve them in some significant way.
In other words, if we can end that one war, then we can have peace.
Fundamentally, my own apostasy from Christianity, as I've said before, was a rejection of Jewish tyranny. I refuse to accept a reality in which humanity is rendered extinct, and the potential of humanity as an entire species is wasted, purely because of Jewish psychopathy. It also does not have anything to do with God; I do not believe that the behaviour of the Jewish psychopathic minority is remotely divine, in any way whatsoever.
Lest you interpret from this, that I am an anti-Semite, think again. I know about the Kibbutzim. I know about the Israel Loves Iran movement. The root of this problem are a minority; the Zionist Ashkenazim. We are not talking about Israel as an entire ethnic group.
I will not, however, subscribe to Judeo/Christian eschatology, and I will also, if I can, do anything possible to prevent that model from coming to fruition. We as a species both deserve better, and are capable of better.
"Solar is the way to go"
Wish I was 25 years younger so I could install it....Around here (NE Seaboard), Solar contractors are coming on strong, but they all want to own the hardware and sell you back the power, at least the ones I looked at...no better than the utility companies, plus a big hassle when you try to sell the house. Private contractors will install it at twice that price, and then you own it, but I can't afford that either..Maybe when the new tech catches up to the consumer market (Solarfilm ect.) the price will come down...It seems that the powers that be are more lienent with solar tech...Maybe because it is somewhat being ignored in the personal transportation industries..
Quote from: zorgon on September 26, 2012, 08:47:15 PM
Time frame to realization?
In the mean time....
Give the people LIGHT
Solar is the way to go :P and you already have it in your nick name
I pronounce it "So-LAHR..." And I chose it for the fact that Amaterasu is the Shinto Sun Goddess. Seemed appropriate. [smile]
As for timeframe... Depends on when We can get the tech out of the butts of the black project folks. [grin] Or get other tech. If the tech was out there like solar tech, about the same time frame... Sadly, that is not so.
I will say, if enough People (Individuals or businesses) install solar, the same end result will occur. Free energy is free energy.
Quote from: petrus4 on September 26, 2012, 09:23:19 PM
Yes, maturity is a prerequisite for it.
We've only really got one war going on at the moment now though, Zorgon. The war between the Jews and the Arabs. Truthfully, if you really look at it, that's actually the only war we've had for a long, long time. The only thing that has really changed has been the battlefields; but I can't think of a single major conflict from the last 150 years that the Jews either were not indirectly responsible for, or that did not involve them in some significant way.
In other words, if we can end that one war, then we can have peace.
Fundamentally, my own apostasy from Christianity, as I've said before, was a rejection of Jewish tyranny. I refuse to accept a reality in which humanity is rendered extinct, and the potential of humanity as an entire species is wasted, purely because of Jewish psychopathy. It also does not have anything to do with God; I do not believe that the behaviour of the Jewish psychopathic minority is remotely divine, in any way whatsoever.
Lest you interpret from this, that I am an anti-Semite, think again. I know about the Kibbutzim. I know about the Israel Loves Iran movement. The root of this problem are a minority; the Zionist Ashkenazim. We are not talking about Israel as an entire ethnic group.
I will not, however, subscribe to Judeo/Christian eschatology, and I will also, if I can, do anything possible to prevent that model from coming to fruition. We as a species both deserve better, and are capable of better.
Or... As was illustrated in the "Old West," where People presume everyOne is armed, crime is lower and politeness is higher. And in The Abundance Paradigm, the motive for crime will be virtually nil.
Quote from: andolin on September 26, 2012, 09:34:55 PM
"Solar is the way to go"
Wish I was 25 years younger so I could install it....Around here (NE Seaboard), Solar contractors are coming on strong, but they all want to own the hardware and sell you back the power, at least the ones I looked at...no better than the utility companies, plus a big hassle when you try to sell the house. Private contractors will install it at twice that price, and then you own it, but I can't afford that either..Maybe when the new tech catches up to the consumer market (Solarfilm ect.) the price will come down...It seems that the powers that be are more lienent with solar tech...Maybe because it is somewhat being ignored in the personal transportation industries..
Sounds like TPTB finding ways to control solar power too.
Quote from: Amaterasu on September 26, 2012, 09:50:18 PM
Sounds like TPTB finding ways to control solar power too.
Yah I guess I am making my own argument....Solar still seems less infringed upon than things like Hydrogen Cells and the like...TPTB seems to be more lienent with "Green Tech"..
im listening zorgon.
i want to know about assembling solar panels.
how cheap are the parts and are they toxic to handle?
your bill is too damn high.
i have a wood burning stove.they save alot of money.probly seventy to a hundred each month in the winter.1500sq.ft.house.
the only problem with solar is batteries.i may be wrong about that though.
Quote from: andolin on September 26, 2012, 09:55:02 PM
Yah I guess I am making my own argument....Solar still seems less infringed upon than things like Hydrogen Cells and the like...TPTB seems to be more lienent with "Green Tech"..
And hide viciously electrogravitics and other solutions.
Quote from: Amaterasu on September 26, 2012, 09:50:18 PM
Sounds like TPTB finding ways to control solar power too.
No they are not... in fact they are giving monetary incentives to change over
Here in Nevada the power company is in the forefront of such incentives and laws are already in place stating that the power company must pay YOU for any extra produced
Solar cells are available online everywhere from little portable systems to run your laptop or cell phone while camping to full blown power station level solar collectors Just in vegas alone there are hundreds of housed with them on the roof and many corporations running the full Amonix mega collectors
Quote from: Amaterasu on September 26, 2012, 11:09:22 PM
And hide viciously electrogravitics and other solutions.
So you keep claiming but all my years of research has showm me that the PTB have long ago dropped electrogravitics as the answer.
I know you don't want to believe that, but all the military research I see is moving in another direction entirely and that is fusion and plasma related... more BANG for the BUCK as it were
In fact HE3 Fusion would also instantly solve our energy needs for the entire planet for the next 100,000 years and THAT technology is not hidden. In fact a high school level kid can build a fusion reactor in his kitchen
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJZGVHuh8Iw
All the EG stuff I can find at official sites say the same thing... technology that reached a dead end and its only historical interest.
You can tell me it's being covered up, but I don't believe it is. All the FOIA documents on budget reports point to billions being spent on fusion and plasma technology. In fact Monsanto was doing HE3 Fusion research in the 60's at their Mounds Atomic Lab and I have the declassified delivery slips to prove it
Sorry to burst your bubble, but my support is going to be towards Helium Fusion, both safe (as it requires virtually NO shielding and doesn't produce radioactive waste) and a small amount of HE3 can power the world for a year
Printing Solar Panels in the Backyard
http://sciencefriday.com/topics/energy/video/09/21/2012/printing-solar-panels-in-the-backyard.html (http://sciencefriday.com/topics/energy/video/09/21/2012/printing-solar-panels-in-the-backyard.html)
Quote from: zorgon on September 26, 2012, 11:35:52 PM
All the EG stuff I can find at official sites say the same thing...
Official. Sorry, Zorgon, but there's only one way to describe my reaction to that. ;)
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Quote from: zorgon on September 26, 2012, 07:39:26 PM
No one is bumping people off for solar energy...
Now this is why it makes sense. Can't have an engineering team if they keep getting bumped off.
And EG, FE is real folks. The FE isn't going to provide the power levels of fission, think of the ambient heat in your enviroment. Its an electromagnetic heat pump.
And EG is the real power, especially for weapons. So no hear, no see, no speak on that one...
So why not? Embedded solar power for the masses?
Quote from: petrus4 on September 27, 2012, 12:08:48 AM
Official. Sorry, Zorgon, but there's only one way to describe my reaction to that. ;)
You may (and were expected to) have such a reaction. But then I highly doubt you have the level of access I do to military sites to check for yourself.
And why are they spending TRILLIONS on laser systems to create helium fusion 'stars on earth' if the 'official' version is wrong?
Hide your head in the sand if you like with silly pictures, but active fusion and plasma research is a reality all around you. That is why this is a RESEARCH site... some of us take the time to actually follow the trails to the real ACTIVE programs.
Hell I can drive down to Palmdale/Edwards and watch it in progress with a simple phone call
Be that as it may... the POINT is that while EG May or may not be an answer in the future, IF anyone actually makes and gets into production some free energy device and survives being snuffed...
It doesn't help anyone NOW
It is in the NOW that people need help. People are losing jobs, going broke, living in fear of losing everything
So Solar Energy may not be the ultimate answer but in the INTERIM until your futuristic dream world magically materializes with no effort spent on your part...
Solar energy can provide low to no cost abundant energy to help with the CURRENT situation.
If you turn a blind eye to that you ARE part of the problem
Quote from: TheJanitor on September 27, 2012, 01:44:41 AM
And EG, FE is real folks. The FE isn't going to provide the power levels of fission, think of the ambient heat in your enviroment. Its an electromagnetic heat pump.
And EG is the real power, especially for weapons. So no hear, no see, no speak on that one...
So why not? Embedded solar power for the masses?
Well I will believe EG is the Salvation when and if I can see it cutting my power bill even by 25% Until then its a pipe dream... a golden goose.... a faerie tail :P
Cheap and homemade solar power CAN solve the problem for millions TODAY who desperately need a break from high power bills and dependency on the utility company
I have no choice but to pay them. I cannot live here in Vegas without AC when it hits 110 outside for three months straight. We had a failure in July and needed a repair... only cost $360.oo for a new controller that got fried because of it running steadily (temps never dropped below 100 even at night) It was out for a few days and in just that short time it got to 125F in the house.
Had to put a fan and a wet towel with ice to keep my ferrets alive.
A heat wave in Chicago area a few years back killed over 500 people because they don't normally need AC so didn't have it
All well and good to push ahead for this illusive 'free energy" but I would rather put time and effort into relieving the CURRENT problem as best as possible...
And if THAT can earn money towards promoting the more esoteric research, then what is wrong with that?
Quote from: zorgon on September 27, 2012, 02:05:29 AM
You may (and were expected to) have such a reaction. But then I highly doubt you have the level of access I do to military sites to check for yourself.
I don't think I'd be expecting anything connected to the public Internet to be 100% unquestionably trustworthy, personally; but that's just me.
QuoteAnd why are they spending TRILLIONS on laser systems to create helium fusion 'stars on earth' if the 'official' version is wrong?
I've seen Naudin's reproductions, among others. I'm well aware that cold fusion works. Of course, "cold," is a relative term. The water still boils; it just doesn't get to the point where you need a conventional containment system in order to prevent everything exploding.
You might also be right that there are intrepid 15 year olds performing said experiments; but although I normally would not want to discourage such initiative, I would probably warn against kitchen table efforts until it was known whether they were radiant to within unsafe levels or not. The level of voltage required is something of a concern in the hands of teenagers, as well.
The other point, of course, is that although plenty of people are producing both CFRs and slightly less exotic coiled electrolysis units, I haven't yet seen videos where anyone has used any of these devices to generate meaningful power. There are plenty of showcase videos, where they'll build something off camera and then let it run on camera for 30 seconds or so, ("Look, Ma! Cold fusion!") but the problem is, that is as far as it goes. I don't know whether it's because none of them know how to build the necessary interface between a generator and their appliances, whether they don't have the imagination to think that far, or whether the skeptics are right and I'm a gullible fool for thinking that any of it works; but I do consider that element strange.
Hide your head in the sand if you like with silly pictures, but active fusion and plasma research is a reality all around you. That is why this is a RESEARCH site... some of us take the time to actually follow the trails to the real ACTIVE programs.
QuoteSolar energy can provide low to no cost abundant energy to help with the CURRENT situation.
I would not at all. I never said that about solar. The facepalm was, as I said, due to the idea of you mentioning, "official," web sites as being a source of reliable information. Solar can absolutely be useful; unless you've got cloud cover.
Z, I will split the cost of your solar info with you for a copy; I'm in the same boat you are health wise, but I do have a workshop available and a full blown machine,tool and die shop within a 5 minute walk of my place that I used to work at and have access to...
with you in the desert it would help you tremendously, and I get lots of sun here in Georgia and a fair amount of wind( I do live on top of a small mountain)
so lay it out, bro, I'll give it a shot...
seeker
Quote from: robomont on September 26, 2012, 11:04:09 PM
im listening zorgon.
i want to know about assembling solar panels.
Well I will set up a forum tonight for the doers who want to physically get involved to make it happen
Quotehow cheap are the parts and are they toxic to handle?
cheap... and no not toxic. The trick is in connecting them together (relatively easy) and connecting them into the grid (your house current) You need to make sure your power is in phase with their power and best have a qualified electrician connect it the the mains
Quoteyour bill is too damn high.
yes it is and we even turned off the pool this year (too much on the water bill and the filter pump with this heat wave) Bill would have been even higher. Sucks to not have the pool when we need it most... but what can ya do? Water bill is through the roof now with the drought and heat
My garden didn't make it even with shade covers... all got burned despite the extra watering
Something to ponder for all you 'off the grid grow your own food' people. It only works if you have cheap available water
Quotei have a wood burning stove.they save alot of money.probly seventy to a hundred each month in the winter.1500sq.ft.house.
We have a fireplace and an old built in grill, but the wood stove from johns mine fits the medieval decor and the heat goes into the room. We use the AC fan to circulate it.
The fireplace and grill are wood burning but have a modern gas insert. My three mulberry trees produce a ton of hardwood every year
Quotethe only problem with solar is batteries.i may be wrong about that though.
Why is thyat a problem? Sure batteries can store power for night use, but if you run your solar system all day, what you don't actually use runs the meter in reverse even if you have no batteries in the system.
Then you use some grid power at night you have still saved over 50% or more during the day.
Quote from: zorgon on September 27, 2012, 03:43:19 AM
Well I will set up a forum tonight for the doers who want to physically get involved to make it happen
And follow the directions to apply for provisional patents. Selling the patents by the PRC commons and reinvesting in more inventions, patents.
Quote from: petrus4 on September 27, 2012, 02:56:30 AM
I don't think I'd be expecting anything connected to the public Internet to be 100% unquestionably trustworthy, personally; but that's just me.
Well Amy's Abundance Paradigm is online :P And no one expects you to find it trustworthy. That is why one uses RESEARCH You find confirmation from multiple sources. If something is BS all you will find is the same source cloned repeatedly on the web and it leads in a circle or to a dead end
However when information is genuine, it leaves a trail via citations and confirming independent reports. If you doubt all that then there is no point in you looking at anything... go have another toke :P
QuoteI've seen Naudin's reproductions, among others. I'm well aware that cold fusion works. Of course, "cold," is a relative term. The water still boils; it just doesn't get to the point where you need a conventional containment system in order to prevent everything exploding.
HE3 Fusion is not Cold Fusion ;)
QuoteYou might also be right that there are intrepid 15 year olds performing said experiments; but although I normally would not want to discourage such initiative, I would probably warn against kitchen table efforts until it was known whether they were radiant to within unsafe levels or not. The level of voltage required is something of a concern in the hands of teenagers, as well.
yeah well the PTB is already regulating chemistry sets so there will be no new crazy wacky experiments coming along that make the true discoveries. If you listened to that kid you would have heard him say there is NO RADIATION
HE3 Fusion reactors can be shielded with cardboard... :P The energy of fusion is converted directly into electricity. See that copper coil around his hot fusion plasma? That is where the electrons go
At least that kid is a DOER, not a TALKER :P
QuoteThe other point, of course, is that although plenty of people are producing both CFRs and slightly less exotic coiled electrolysis units, I haven't yet seen videos where anyone has used any of these devices to generate meaningful power. There are plenty of showcase videos, where they'll build something off camera and then let it run on camera for 30 seconds or so, ("Look, Ma! Cold fusion!") but the problem is, that is as far as it goes. I don't know whether it's because none of them know how to build the necessary interface between a generator and their appliances, whether they don't have the imagination to think that far, or whether the skeptics are right and I'm a gullible fool for thinking that any of it works; but I do consider that element strange.
Cold Fusion is in the same boat as EG IMO :P No working proof.
HOT fusion however is not over unity and your right the problem for the lay person is the interface and the ability to make one big enough and affordable enough to plug a house into.
As you say the voltages they are dealing with are high and dangerous. But no more so than any EG or Tesla work....
QuoteSolar can absolutely be useful; unless you've got cloud cover.
clouds? Here in vegas? Whats that? Maybe what two days a year?
Besides a cloudy day does not prevent modern solar cells from producing. There are special lenses for that and other lenses that focus the sunlight to produce estremely high yield.
Some system because of these lenses produce a LOT of heat and you need a simple water cooling system. Use your pool or hot water tank as a heat dump and you get free hot water
In fact just black PVC pipes on the roof with a solar pump gives you all the hot water you need. Just shower before sundown :P
Co what does it matter if you have less on a cloudy day anyway? Even a 50% reduction is a hell of a lot better than a futuristic pipe dream.... for the here and NOW :P
Quote from: TheJanitor on September 27, 2012, 04:00:51 AM
And follow the directions to apply for provisional patents. Selling the patents by the PRC commons and reinvesting in more inventions, patents.
Not sure how patents come into play as all that material is already produced. We are not inventing new tech. just building cheap public domain solar collectors...
IF we can actually get some doers over talkers :P
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Petrus4;
Quote
I will not, however, subscribe to Judeo/Christian eschatology, and I will also, if I can, do anything possible to prevent that model from coming to fruition. We as a species both deserve better, and are capable of better.
Absolutely.
Solar power is dragging it's feet, what with power companies being involved.
But there are an increasing number of 'DIY' solar power sites.
A small windmil is of use as well (not those ghastly propellers, i mean a vertical spiral: much more efficient, silent, cool to watch) because if the sun isn't shining, the chances are it's windy instead......
As Zorgon mentioned, what with the timeframe issue, all these methods can be used, ARE being used, but it will not suffice, especially if we're going to build millions of robots ;)
My final analysis is still the same.
HHO, water power.
It can be used to cook, heat, and power all existing engines except diesels (which IMO should have gone on the scrap heap years ago).
Even then something can be done with diesels, like using Paul Pantone's GEET reactor...
These are just stopgap measures until we can get to grips with ZPE and so forth, and i'm repeating myself here, since this has been covered in countless threads.I agree with Zorgon's posts, except that He3 'hot' fusion was seriously researched by the russians in the 70's with the TOKAMAK reactors, and Harwell were doing the same in the 80's.
The big problem then was 'kink instability' which they seem to have solved at CERN, i won't go into details...
So why the big gap, and suddenly the renewed interest?
I believe that both fusion and EG are real effects, and both can be used to solve the energy/transport crisis, especiallly together with the water option.
Piece of cake :D
The expensive part of the solar panel system is the inverter, i will post some plans on how to build one.
The expensive part of the windmill is the generator, you can use stepper motors or car starter motors to great effect here.
Using direct or lensed solar energy directly using TEG's, steam, thermocouples ,heat pumps etc.
The HHO is the one that needs to go NOW....
But since this is the 'MIB's' thread, i will take up these discussions in the I.F. if anyone's interested?
QuoteIF we can actually get some doers over talkers
Ya aint seen nuttin' yet :P
Quote from: robomont on September 26, 2012, 11:04:09 PM
im listening zorgon.
i want to know about assembling solar panels.
how cheap are the parts and are they toxic to handle?
your bill is too damn high.
i have a wood burning stove.they save alot of money.probly seventy to a hundred each month in the winter.1500sq.ft.house.
the only problem with solar is batteries.i may be wrong about that though.
Greetings:
Way back when (1978), a few friends in the Emerald Triangle put together a small company to provide solar power to our farmer friends 'off the grid'.
http://realgoodssolar.com/about-us/
Years later, we were absorbed by GAIAM... and the rest is history. 8)
http://blog.realgoods.com/
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Quote from: A51Watcher on September 27, 2012, 12:00:38 AM
Printing Solar Panels in the Backyard
http://sciencefriday.com/topics/energy/video/09/21/2012/printing-solar-panels-in-the-backyard.html (http://sciencefriday.com/topics/energy/video/09/21/2012/printing-solar-panels-in-the-backyard.html)
Guess I went to bed to early last night...Printable Solar Tape.....Wow.I guess the Tech is pretty much here....I did some research 2 years ago, in New York state the Power companies will buy back any excess power you generate with a solar energy system and local and state will give you big tax incentives if you go solar.The initial expenditure (at least with my house) was 4-6 thousand. I got two quotes before I ran into some unexpected financial issues and shelved the whole thing. The upkeep on the panels (this info has probably changed since then) was just basicaly cleaning them and repairing/replacing any weather releted damage, and maintaining the battery bank. Deep cell solar rated batteries are rotated out of use after 4-6 years and they are about 200 bucks apiece (at least in 2009). Both companies recommended 12-16 batteries for my house. I guess if you are selling excess power to the utility companies those expenditures are negligible. I still get emails from one of these companies but they are one of the ones who want to own the equipment and maintain everything for you with an option to sell the service to the new homeowner if you sell, or buy back the equipment (Solar City). The tax incentives look great but there are already issues regarding government systems taxing you for going solar...Looks like you have to hide it from the man.....
http://www.milforddailynews.com/news/x1015653002/Towns-puzzled-over-solar-panel-taxes (http://www.milforddailynews.com/news/x1015653002/Towns-puzzled-over-solar-panel-taxes)
i saw a power converter that takes the dc right off the panel and converts to ac.
this way less loss of power going the twenty feet into home.
yes the converter is expensive but there are cheaper versions.a car dc to ac converter is cheaper.it would take a few to run a house though.
i dont know how to sincronise the sinewaves,for the house or electric company.
i wish we could find financing.
its alot harder to build in small bites rather than a complete home system and then make payments.also my credit sucks because i pay cash for everything and owe nobody.just limited each month on cash.
also,money has no value if nobody is willing to work.free energy just means more lazy people.if humans dont work then why have them?robots can easily replace most human work.
now if we wanted to be billionaires just invent a robot that can gut and cut up a chicken.pilgrims and tyson would love you long time.
Quote from: robomont on September 27, 2012, 04:44:59 PM
i saw a power converter that takes the dc right off the panel and converts to ac.
this way less loss of power going the twenty feet into home.
yes the converter is expensive but there are cheaper versions.a car dc to ac converter is cheaper.it would take a few to run a house though.
i dont know how to sincronise the sinewaves,for the house or electric company.
i wish we could find financing.
its alot harder to build in small bites rather than a complete home system and then make payments.also my credit sucks because i pay cash for everything and owe nobody.just limited each month on cash.
also,money has no value if nobody is willing to work.free energy just means more lazy people.if humans dont work then why have them?robots can easily replace most human work.
now if we wanted to be billionaires just invent a robot that can gut and cut up a chicken.pilgrims and tyson would love you long time.
Like this one.....5000 Watt Whole house inverter. 400 clams.
http://www.theinverterstore.com/5000-watt-power-inverter.html (http://www.theinverterstore.com/5000-watt-power-inverter.html)
Quote from: PLAYSWITHMACHINES on September 27, 2012, 01:07:07 PM
Solar power is dragging it's feet, what with power companies being involved.
But there are an increasing number of 'DIY' solar power sites.
A small windmil is of use as well (not those ghastly propellers, i mean a vertical spiral: much more efficient, silent, cool to watch) because if the sun isn't shining, the chances are it's windy instead......
As Zorgon mentioned, what with the timeframe issue, all these methods can be used, ARE being used, but it will not suffice, especially if we're going to build millions of robots ;)
My final analysis is still the same.
HHO, water power.
It can be used to cook, heat, and power all existing engines except diesels (which IMO should have gone on the scrap heap years ago).
Even then something can be done with diesels, like using Paul Pantone's GEET reactor...
These are just stopgap measures until we can get to grips with ZPE and so forth, and i'm repeating myself here, since this has been covered in countless threads.
I agree with Zorgon's posts, except that He3 'hot' fusion was seriously researched by the russians in the 70's with the TOKAMAK reactors, and Harwell were doing the same in the 80's.
The big problem then was 'kink instability' which they seem to have solved at CERN, i won't go into details...
So why the big gap, and suddenly the renewed interest?
I believe that both fusion and EG are real effects, and both can be used to solve the energy/transport crisis, especiallly together with the water option.
Piece of cake :D
The expensive part of the solar panel system is the inverter, i will post some plans on how to build one.
The expensive part of the windmill is the generator, you can use stepper motors or car starter motors to great effect here.
Using direct or lensed solar energy directly using TEG's, steam, thermocouples ,heat pumps etc.
The HHO is the one that needs to go NOW....
But since this is the 'MIB's' thread, i will take up these discussions in the I.F. if anyone's interested?
Ya aint seen nuttin' yet :P
My reason for promoting electrogravitics over other FE methods:
Flying cars and floating cities. This will add to the space Humanity can live in, unburden the Earth to a great extent, and give us FE along with it.
What if electrogravitics was a counter intelligence creation by TTBrown for American intelligence?
and then t brown went back in time and added eg craft to paintings thousands of years ago.aliens made eg,were just copying it.
We can pontificate all we want about Eg and such, but Zorgon is right...we dont have years to work slowly towards a possibly non existent technology. Ive worked with some of the Eg effects recently, and have to say..the power required to incite a response is immense compared to the result.
Although it may work someday, for now EG is a last resort for any form of free energy or hopeful replacement for power company sponsored a/c.
Also...why do we see so many signs of sun worship throughout history? Is it because of some religious aspect, I dont think so fully, as it is where the life and free energy we need comes from.
Even if one adds a 5000 watt setup to their house, it will save half the power bill and also be able to give a relief to the a/c which we rely on for everything.
And, everyone harps on batteries, but a good battery bank is good for at least 4 years, and when they fail, they dont go all at once, so the financial hit isnt as great as a failed device which goes at one fell swoop.
After the last few years of reading studying, and yes, researching power sources with the most bang for the buck..I cant even think of anything better than sunlight.
Now, if we are to use this sunlight, and when it gets dark, we'll need storage system of sorts..wouldnt it be prudent to use current technology in panels for now, and concentrate on storage and capacitive units which can carry the load for the night, or at least supplement the line power?
Flywheels in a vacuum chamber, slowly releasing enough power to keep the current flowing, molten salt reservoirs which hold heat for hours after being shut off.
Right now, we dont need totally free energy, just something to prop up the sorry state of power affairs, resulting in a much lower power bill. I dont care if Im selling power back to the man, as long as I dont need to buy nearly as much from him.
Zorgon, Ive seen the flexible solar panels and have actually befriended a panel maker from Switzerland who tells me anyone can assemble them in their garage in a few days enough to cover the entire roof of a typical family home.
10,000 watts easy, and if you can solder, and put together a good inverter system like Robomont spoke of..right at the panel...low losses and high gains will be the reward.
All it takes is some money and some time...well, Ive got lots of time..anyone got some money? :P :P
Mine is on solar for now, with an eye to the future.
the place i saw the converter was in texas coop power magazine.probly less than a year back,solar power edition maybe.
All I have on EG is what My father told Me of His work on it over 50 years ago - and He promised Me flying cars, floating cities, and all the energy We could use.
I KNOW it's not "non-existant!"
Quote from: Amaterasu on September 28, 2012, 04:14:47 AM
All I have on EG is what My father told Me of His work on it over 50 years ago - and He promised Me flying cars, floating cities, and all the energy We could use.
I KNOW it's not "non-existant!"
Well, maybe not non existenet, but for all practical purposes nd intents..esentially it is.
Ive seen results, but miniscule for the 30kv it requires.
Perhaps I shouldve said the progress has been non existent?
At least on my bench..no tales of magic like Mikado trumpeted recently..I havent seen anything but a swinging gravitor and a floating lifter....dangit when will we break the ice?
Perhaps someday soon we will make a breakthrough that will hurdle it into the forefront, but for now, solar is all we got for an everyman form of power against the Man.
Or my sail powered car....its really slow though.. :o :)(http://thereaganwing.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/sail_car.jpg)
Le
That last image is for the MIB's in here...it really has a mizzenmast too and is much faster than I admitted...
Le
Quote from: Littleenki on September 28, 2012, 04:19:47 AM
Well, maybe not non existenet, but for all practical purposes nd intents..esentially it is.
Ive seen results, but miniscule for the 30kv it requires.
Perhaps I shouldve said the progress has been non existent?
Outside of black projects, where the 30,000 K dielectrics are impossible to get, yes. But I am betting They have more from it than any of Us can get with Our 6,000ish K max...
Quote from: Amaterasu on September 28, 2012, 04:14:47 AM
All I have on EG is what My father told Me of His work on it over 50 years ago - and He promised Me flying cars, floating cities, and all the energy We could use.
This may happen. But if the technology is too powerful and dangerous we will not be allowed to use it for many years. In the interim, we need solutions.
Quote from: Amaterasu on September 28, 2012, 06:21:18 AM
Outside of black projects, where the 30,000 K dielectrics are impossible to get, yes. But I am betting They have more from it than any of Us can get with Our 6,000ish K max...
30,000K? That piddly little amount? Really? Well let me educate you a little on what they are REALLY playing with.. and you can deny it all you want but these examples are real. I have seen one in operation myself :D
Just look at the power comparisons below and then tell me again how wrong I ma about them pursuing plasma and NOT interested in low voltage Electrogravitics
How about a GIGAWATT?
That's 1,000.000.000 or 1,000.000 K :P
18.3 GW – current electrical power generation of the Three Gorges Dam, the world's largest hydroelectric power plant of any type.
But that is nothing yet....
How about a TERAWATT for plasma research?
That is 1,000,000,000,000 or 1,000,000,000
Let me show you how much power that is...
2 Terawatt – approximate power generated between the surfaces of Jupiter and its moon Io due to Jupiter's tremendous magnetic field
16 Terawatt – average total power consumption of the human world in 2010
The Shiva Nova laser put out 30 Terawatts to create fusion in the early stages. This was in 1977-79
44 Terawatt – average total heat flux from Earth's interior
290 Terawatt – the power the Z machine reaches in 1 billionth of a second when it is fired
(http://media.techeblog.com/images/z_machine.jpg)
Z machine at Sandia Labs - Fusion department
300 Terawatt – power reached by the extremely high-power Hercules laser from the University of Michigan.
But wait... not done yet...
How about a PETAWATT?
That is 1,000,000,000,000,000 or 1,000,000,000,000 K :P
1.25 Petawatt – world's most powerful laser pulses (claimed on May 23, 1996 by Lawrence Livermore Laboratory Shiva Nova laser)
10–100 Petawatt – estimated total power output of a Type-I civilization on the Kardashev scale.
174.0 Petawatt – total power received by Earth from the Sun200 Petawatt – Extreme Light Infrastructure laserNOW do you begin to see the big picture? Its all PLASMA and FUSION research...
Think about it a single laser that has 26 Petawatts more energy than the Earth receives from the Sun...
These are proven and verifiable power figures. And this is just the stuff that is already in the public domain. I haven't even covered the NAVY Selene Laser at China Lake that can beam power to a base on the moon...
Wake up and smell the ozone.... they are working on Fusion/ Plasma as the energy of the future, not EG
Of course their working on plasma/fusion; without a doubt and I go by gut instinct more than anything.
And I can see they have been and are still working on that time travel thing too, dangerous that is yoda says.
It looks like TPTB are allowing open field development of Solar Energy. Solar collectors have become more efficient and cost effective applications in micro and nano tech have opened the field for application design. The Solar printer blew my mind...and appears to be relatively cheap. Hopefully in a few years we can pick one up at home depot for a few hundred bucks and roll our own home systems..Solar Film, Roofing Panels and even Paint are either here or on their way.I already mentioned the independent marketing of home based 5k and up electrvoltaic inverters. The big drawback seems to be a cost effective storage system. Dedicated deep cell batteries are out there, but still expensive, and they need to be cycled out every 3-4 years. People are already working on solutions. This links to a PDF file on Ultracapacitator development for use in Solar applications.
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=web&cd=6&ved=0CEIQFjAF&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.solrayo.com%2FSolRayo%2FPresentations_files%2FUltracapacitors_for_Renewable_Energy_Storage_Webinar.pdf&ei=H5tlULvvA5GQ0QGnloE4&usg=AFQjCNGvKoQW7O3lSvV6fVWCeXB-lu36Pw&sig2=5vOItdk5lybSFLe1h4zLNg (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=web&cd=6&ved=0CEIQFjAF&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.solrayo.com%2FSolRayo%2FPresentations_files%2FUltracapacitors_for_Renewable_Energy_Storage_Webinar.pdf&ei=H5tlULvvA5GQ0QGnloE4&usg=AFQjCNGvKoQW7O3lSvV6fVWCeXB-lu36Pw&sig2=5vOItdk5lybSFLe1h4zLNg)
And this one for a similar application in Hybrid Automobile Solar systems.
http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/login.jsp?tp=&arnumber=5944438&url=http%3A%2F%2Fieeexplore.ieee.org%2Fxpls%2Fabs_all.jsp%3Farnumber%3D5944438
I don't think we are very far away from Home Solar kits that produce 5K watts with limited battery and maintenence issues for a reasonable cost to the average homeowner. particularly with the current Tax and Energy rebate incentives. I'm pretty sure we need to grab those as soon as possible because Big Brother never saw an opportunity to Tax that it didn't love, and It's coming soon.
i dont get why we are calling eg an energy source?
science is always chasing bigger and smaller.
they also skip over big sections of knowledge along the way.
there may be a frequency or voltage that has to be managed at a value down to five decimal points.we wont know unless we try.
Quote from: robomont on September 28, 2012, 04:39:41 PM
i dont get why we are calling eg an energy source?
I tried to point this out to 7RedOrbs but everybody seems to think I'm some kind of moron. Apparently impenetrable walls of text are more intelligent that direct questions and answers. ::)
Quote from: Pimander on September 28, 2012, 09:18:07 AM
This may happen. But if the technology is too powerful and dangerous we will not be allowed to use it for many years. In the interim, we need solutions.
I contend the only "danger" is in the economic arena and targeting specifically the power elite. As I have pointed out, 100% of the cost of EVERYTHING is energy, Human or external. Add free energy and the control over Others that the money used to account for it affords dissipates.
They don't lose materially - just in Their control over Us.
Quote from: zorgon on September 28, 2012, 11:14:32 AM
30,000K? That piddly little amount? Really? Well let me educate you a little on what they are REALLY playing with.. and you can deny it all you want but these examples are real. I have seen one in operation myself :D
Just look at the power comparisons below and then tell me again how wrong I ma about them pursuing plasma and NOT interested in low voltage Electrogravitics
Um... Will any of that offer flying cars and floating cities?
Quote from: Amaterasu on September 28, 2012, 06:59:34 PM
Um... Will any of that offer flying cars and floating cities?
EG will only when we have access to a sufficiently efficient power source. at least I think so. So power first, then EG cities and hover boards.
P.S. If you can build me a hover board while I'm still fit enough I'd be soooooooo happy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1ZdMOMUgXE
Quote from: Pimander on September 28, 2012, 07:25:21 PM
EG will only when we have access to a sufficiently efficient power source. at least I think so. So power first, then EG cities and hover boards.
But EG IS a power source: (see attached illustration)
QuoteP.S. If you can build me a hover board while I'm still fit enough I'd be soooooooo happy.
Me too - but I am in no position to build anything personally.
Quote from: Amaterasu on September 28, 2012, 06:59:34 PM
Um... Will any of that offer flying cars and floating cities?
Well I don't see EG giving us flying cars or floating cities :D And if the military had those they wouldn't be building giant airships to float over enemy territory :D
As to fusion...
Levitated Dipole Fusion Confinement... The Gold Ring I mentioned when Linda was here that you all ignored and went into Lifter debate Mode :P
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/41pegasus/04images/UFO_Tech/ldx_mov.gif)
Flying Cars
In the meantime we can make flying cars using the Coanda Effect :D or like Moller did...
(http://img.metro.co.uk/i/pix/2007/07/saucercarSplash_450x325.jpg)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MwxVAZuFOs
At least people like Moller are DOING something in the Interim :D
(http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ9INOhsmVJX6cspGhrL9A6j55s9AyEYDXLU3qwMqXqx7Vg5Y4gb441IvSFiQ)
Quote from: zorgon on September 28, 2012, 08:15:12 PM
Well I don't see EG giving us flying cars or floating cities :D And if the military had those they wouldn't be building giant airships to float over enemy territory :D
Why not? And They may have them with cloaking devices. Who knows.
Quote from: Amaterasu on September 28, 2012, 07:54:00 PM
But EG IS a power source: (see attached illustration)
Come on Amy, that illustration proves nothing and you know it. From what I know, the way to get something useful from EG is to use an external power source and use it for levitation.
But I still want a hover board. :)
Quote from: Amaterasu on September 28, 2012, 08:25:16 PM
Why not? And They may have them with cloaking devices. Who knows.
Well about the cloaking 'devices' THAT I know about and have the papers, patents and testimony of two insiders. And it works by applying a special coating then activating it with plasma and signals from HAARP. It is however still classified so you won't see me posting that full patent just yet :D
As to anti-gravity triangles both ours and theirs, I know about ours from the guy who applies that stealth coating, and from the guy who takes people out to watch the 'invisible' space planes. (He likes to laugh at their reactions :D )
As to the big ones 'not of this earth, I just heard some really eye opening comments about those from a guy who is probably the most in the know guy on the planet :D
Quote from: zorgon on September 28, 2012, 08:15:12 PM
Well I don't see EG giving us flying cars or floating cities :D And if the military had those they wouldn't be building giant airships to float over enemy territory :D
As to fusion...
Levitated Dipole Fusion Confinement... The Gold Ring I mentioned when Linda was here that you all ignored and went into Lifter debate Mode :P
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/41pegasus/04images/UFO_Tech/ldx_mov.gif)
Gee Zorgon, that gold ring sure looks shiny!
I didnt ignore it...some did, but I looked deeper.... 8)
Le
Hi All
I guess I will Jump in here. It has been a while that I have looked at solar power.
Being in Southern IN it did not make finacial sence. Price of dc to ac converter,lack of sun light and battery storage were the reasons.
I will start with the storage.
From what I understand about lead acid batteries is the falier 9 times out 10 is because sulfer builds up on the plates.
It also seems that these batteries can be revived by pulsed DC.
Please if I am wrong correct me.
I have plans to build a dc pulser this winter.
If we can come to agreement that this works then I will post my thoughts about the dc to ac converters.
Bless
Back
Batteries for storage are an issue BUT
with a proper inverter you just hook it up to your existing power and don't worry about the storage
You produce energy during sunny daytime and even on cloudy days now with the new lens. Any power you create offsets your usage from the power company. Depending on the number of panels you can install and your personal consumption , even without storage you can cut your bill by 50% or higher.
Some have actually reversed the meter and get a small check from the power company
So if it runs all day while you are at work and runs your meter in reverse, then at night you take some back from the power company you still end up with a win in situation without having to mess with those expensive high maintenance batteries
You can also convert your lighting system to run on 12volts DC and use the power directly. RV's, Boats and even ships use 12 volt DC systems for lighting. That alone will save you a lot of power And fro that a small bank of car batteries is more than enough. The new led bulbs use very little power and provide a lot more light per watt
Z
Thanks for the responce.
What if your solar panel is a Tesla radient reciever and the output is pulsed DC ;)
You need batteries for storage unless I am so far out od date that the new converters will run off pulsed DC
Bless
Back
O and I can post now with the BS :)
Back
i heard of pulsed dc breakin sulphur compounds off lead plates but i dont know actual voltage level to use and frequency of pulses per minute or second.
Quote from: zorgon on September 28, 2012, 11:31:52 PM
Well about the cloaking 'devices' THAT I know about and have the papers, patents and testimony of two insiders. And it works by applying a special coating then activating it with plasma and signals from HAARP. It is however still classified so you won't see me posting that full patent just yet :D
As to anti-gravity triangles both ours and theirs, I know about ours from the guy who applies that stealth coating, and from the guy who takes people out to watch the 'invisible' space planes. (He likes to laugh at their reactions :D )
As to the big ones 'not of this earth, I just heard some really eye opening comments about those from a guy who is probably the most in the know guy on the planet :D
Now that is interesting 8) since my sighting was of a honking damn big one over 30 years ago, you know I am interested, Z...
seeker
Quote from: zorgon on September 28, 2012, 11:44:51 PM
Batteries for storage are an issue BUT
with a proper inverter you just hook it up to your existing power and don't worry about the storage
QuoteVoila..no batteries necessary!
You produce energy during sunny daytime and even on cloudy days now with the new lens. Any power you create offsets your usage from the power company. Depending on the number of panels you can install and your personal consumption , even without storage you can cut your bill by 50% or higher.
QuoteThats the way, Zorgon, just to take the pressure off the wallet a bit will save more money to further the research and installation of more equipment, until the entire home is wired for solar!
Some have actually reversed the meter and get a small check from the power company
So if it runs all day while you are at work and runs your meter in reverse, then at night you take some back from the power company you still end up with a win in situation without having to mess with those expensive high maintenance batteries
QuoteIf need be, a few batteries arent a terrible thing..and the pulsed DC is the way to go, thanks Back..a pulser circuit is really an easy to build design.
You can also convert your lighting system to run on 12volts DC and use the power directly. RV's, Boats and even ships use 12 volt DC systems for lighting. That alone will save you a lot of power And fro that a small bank of car batteries is more than enough. The new led bulbs use very little power and provide a lot more light per watt
QuoteThe Led's on my boat..running lights and courtesy lighting is really bright..plenty for lighting at night! And theyre easy to make your own..all the parts come from Mouser.com for mere dollars..it's the labor which is the hardest part..and its not really hard at all. I eliminated 400 watts of incandescent light on my boat with twenty dollars worth of leds and parts, and one day of labor.
Le
Wiring your house with a 12vdc system isn't that difficult as Z has stated; refrigerators and most other appliances are available at a wide array of manufacturers, and I can give you several ideas how to use the RV type that functions on electricity or gas without having to use any gas in the desert; just need a closed loop heat exchanger to keep the freon hot and a trickle of power for the fan and compressor...
seeker
John had a full size refrigerator freezer out at the mine cabin that ran on propane
here is one that can run on propane OR electricity
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-CZ4TarQbeiI/UCz9fm-1XXI/AAAAAAAAaQY/jHMlS3QtJ_g/s1600/tour+our+motorhome+%288%29.JPG)
This one can run on propane AC OR DC
(http://www.miraclebible.com/userfiles/image/2011Auction/RvFridge3.jpg)
Quote from: Littleenki on September 29, 2012, 03:48:45 AMThe Led's on my boat..running lights and courtesy lighting is really bright..plenty for lighting at night! And theyre easy to make your own..all the parts come from Mouser.com for mere dollars..it's the labor which is the hardest part..and its not really hard at all. I eliminated 400 watts of incandescent light on my boat with twenty dollars worth of leds and parts, and one day of labor.
In Toronto the ferries run a 12v volt system
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/40/Toronto_ferry.jpg)
They use 100 watt bulbs to light up the decks
Those bulbs look like this
(http://a248.e.akamai.net/origin-cdn.volusion.com/4xvq4.doq7g/v/vspfiles/photos/100A12V-2T.jpg?1347885791)
100 Watt 12 Volt A19 Bulb - Frost Light Bulb $2.75 each
http://www.buylighting.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=100A12V&click=27930
So in case of power failure if you put in a few of these installed you would have light for hours off a few car batteries :D And you can run a small wind turbine night and day to charge the batteries
And as 12 volts is a low voltage system you can do it yourself with no danger of shock And you can use wire molding to hide wires if you don't want to drill into walls etc
Plastic or metal wire molding... easy to install a few screws or the plastic ones have sticky tape and all snap on connections
Wire Mold (http://www.lowes.com/pd_73617-170-B-1_0__?productId=3129629&cm_mmc=SCE_gps-_-gps-_-gps-_-Wiremold%205%20Ft.%20Ivory%20Wire%20Channel&CAWELAID=1368062048)
Wouldnt it be funny if we switched back to DC wiring..and then Tesla would really roll over in his grave! :o
The power company has the 110 ac locked down tight, but 12v has promise in the homeowner installation arena, and all good rv's use a two way system to run their frig and various high draw devices, such as heat and stoves.
Just got to find a way to develop a 12v home system which could be retrofitted, and then inverters and batteries would be passe.
At least nobody else would get Westinghoused anymore!
And, Progress Energy would sh!t their pants...:D
This catalog has everything 12volt dc you can imagine...
http://www.defender.com/
Le
Quote from: zorgon on September 29, 2012, 04:59:35 AM
In Toronto the ferries run a 12v volt system
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/40/Toronto_ferry.jpg)
They use 100 watt bulbs to light up the decks
Those bulbs look like this
(http://a248.e.akamai.net/origin-cdn.volusion.com/4xvq4.doq7g/v/vspfiles/photos/100A12V-2T.jpg?1347885791)
100 Watt 12 Volt A19 Bulb - Frost Light Bulb $2.75 each
http://www.buylighting.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=100A12V&click=27930
So in case of power failure if you put in a few of these installed you would have light for hours off a few car batteries :D And you can run a small wind turbine night and day to charge the batteries
Geez, why does this all sound so easy?
What is stopping everyone from doing this..beyond the expense of retrofitting that is?
Le
Quote from: Littleenki on September 29, 2012, 05:03:26 AM
Wouldnt it be funny if we switched back to DC wiring..and then Tesla would really roll over in his grave! :o
No DC is only good for local use, not for transmission. Tesla knew that too. But all this talk of free energy systems implies a local home system with no transmission required unless you want to set up a neighborhood power company :P
QuoteThe power company has the 110 ac locked down tight, but 12v has promise in the homeowner installation arena, and all good rv's use a two way system to run their frig and various high draw devices, such as heat and stoves.
We save a lot on cooking energy by using out firepit outside :D with cast iron pots and pans. We also have a convenient propane bar-b-que that runs over a year on one 5 gallon gas tank
In the light winter we have here that one wood stove does it all save when we sleep, and a pot of water on that stove is a great humidifier for the dry desert winter
QuoteJust got to find a way to develop a 12v home system which could be retrofitted, and then inverters and batteries would be passe.
See edit above use wire mold to run a safe easy to install secondary system. It also doesn't need permits if you do it yourself in your own home as its the same as running speaker wires. In fact good speaker wire would handle it no problem
Your land line telephone wire is very thing. yet it carries 48 volts :D
Alarm system wires are the same as telephone wire they carry 12 volts
Quote from: zorgon on September 29, 2012, 04:51:50 AM
John had a full size refrigerator freezer out at the mine cabin that ran on propane
I've got a couple that run on ice... what will they think of next? :o ;) 8)
Quote from: Pimander on September 28, 2012, 09:53:27 PM
Come on Amy, that illustration proves nothing and you know it. From what I know, the way to get something useful from EG is to use an external power source and use it for levitation.
But I still want a hover board. :)
[sigh] Less power in to the EG units than the generator puts out. No. It "proves" nothing, but no illustration "proves" anything, eh?
Whatever, Pim.
If the technology is effective then prove it can be useful and I'm all yours. ;)
QuoteNo DC is only good for local use, not for transmission. Tesla knew that too. But all this talk of free energy systems implies a local home system with no transmission required unless you want to set up a neighborhood power company
True, and you can get almost any appliance on 12v these days.
AND it's a lot less dangerous....
My own house is getting a 24v system, since all my sensors & valves are 24v...
Quote from: Pimander on September 29, 2012, 09:38:37 PM
If the technology is effective then prove it can be useful and I'm all yours. ;)
Pim, I am not in the position of proving anything. Like I said, I only have what My father taught Me of. And that is pretty much literally. But I do recommend Dr. Paul A. LaViolette's
Secrets of Antigravity Propulsion. Very good and persuasive info there.
Quote from: the seeker on September 29, 2012, 04:15:07 AM
Wiring your house with a 12vdc system isn't that difficult as Z has stated; refrigerators and most other appliances are available at a wide array of manufacturers, and I can give you several ideas how to use the RV type that functions on electricity or gas without having to use any gas in the desert; just need a closed loop heat exchanger to keep the freon hot and a trickle of power for the fan and compressor...
seeker
A pure sine wave inverter is recommended for sensitive electronic devices...a little more expensive.
Hi All
Would it be possiable to take the info. on solar power from this thread and start a thread in the research area?
Much of the problems with storage and 12v to 120 ac related to solar are also a problem with the Tesla radient reciever that I am working on.
Ok the reciever is an obsession of mine.
With the random and primitave tests I did last winter makes me believe that at the least 500 watts can be generated day and night. I am thinking with research and testing it could be a lot more than that.
I beg the admin here to start a new thread. Every other site that I even started to talk about a radient reciver I was shuned.
I hope that it dont happen here.
Bless
Back
Send PlaysWithMachines a message. If you need to be added to the inventors or Alternative Energy groups then he will let us know. http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?action=pm;sa=send;u=151
I'm pretty sure a thread like that is in the making. :)
Greetings:
Solar Power - State of the Art (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=681.0)
Quote from: Back on September 30, 2012, 06:57:38 PM
Hi All Every other site that I even started to talk about a radient reciver I was shuned.
I hope that it dont happen here.
Bless
Back
Welcome to our world, Back; we are all friends here, and I am sure that many such as Playswithmachines, LittleEnki, and several more will be interested in your project...
you don't have to beg, just ask... 8)
seeker
Quote from: Littleenki on September 29, 2012, 05:05:14 AM
Geez, why does this all sound so easy?
Because it is :D
QuoteWhat is stopping everyone from doing this..beyond the expense of retrofitting that is?
Lack of knowledge. The same reason they never teach kids in school the basics of managing your own finance and credit.
If they taught such simple stuff, people would be more free. Having worked in the alarm trade for years I can tell you that running low voltage systems in your house does NOT require a permit. Speaker systems, cable tv telephone and 12 volt lighting are all low voltage systems.
Since most solar panels are already producing low voltage DC power, like PWM said its easy to tun a secondary system
Quote from: Amaterasu on September 29, 2012, 11:54:05 AM
[sigh] Less power in to the EG units than the generator puts out. No. It "proves" nothing, but no illustration "proves" anything, eh?
Whatever, Pim.
Oh come on..
What Pim meant is that picture of yours is just a representation of an idea. There is no useful data in that image to build one.
This is a research forum... well its supposed to be. As such we are going to look hard at picture and need more info to get to working models. That image of yours, as presented would do.... nothing
Now if it came with schematic and experimental data tables... then we can look at it subjectively
If you want people taking a project seriously, you have to provide serious data to back it up
Here is a working machine that was REJECTED by the US Patent office :P
No idea why :D
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_1suUAAnWb5k/ScRK374rZiI/AAAAAAAAA28/_Trp1OnCVUI/s400/steamdildo.jpg)
Quote from: Amaterasu on September 30, 2012, 01:38:51 AM
Pim, I am not in the position of proving anything. Like I said, I only have what My father taught Me of. And that is pretty much literally.
Do you have any of his papers? I did try using google to find anything but not much luck. maybe if you had some key notes to help the search
QuoteBut I do recommend Dr. Paul A. LaViolette's Secrets of Antigravity Propulsion. Very good and persuasive info there.
Dr. Paul A. LaViolette's work is interesting... but even he cannot put a working model of a free energy machine on the table that we can look at. I even emailed him if he could take a minute to stop by here and answer some questions
On 3/26/2012 6:51 AM, Paul LaViolette wrote:
> Dear Mr. Schmidt,
> I'm sorry that at the moment I don't have any time available as to intense work on a project.
> Best regards,
> Paul LaViolette
It doesn't take more that a few minutes to answer a question... even had he only replied in that email. I guess we are not important enough. Sound a little like a standard brush off. You would think a guy on the fringe of science would be a little more tolerant of nuts like us that actually SUPPORT his work, eh?
Ah well ...
Quote from: Back on September 30, 2012, 06:57:38 PM
Hi All
Would it be possiable to take the info. on solar power from this thread and start a thread in the research area?
Yes working on that... This thread is just a general free for all LOL considering the title :P
QuoteMuch of the problems with storage and 12v to 120 ac related to solar are also a problem with the Tesla radient reciever that I am working on.
Yes quite true. Any alternative energy source would need technology to convert it to be useful to our appliances and devices. If we cannot do that the energy is useless Either that or we would need all new devices.
PWM told me that a good inverter runs around $1,000 per kilowatt so the initial expense IS a problem. His solution of running a new wire system eliminates that problem :D
QuoteOk the reciever is an obsession of mine.
With the random and primitave tests I did last winter makes me believe that at the least 500 watts can be generated day and night. I am thinking with research and testing it could be a lot more than that.
Can set you a section for radiant energy... Warren York just joined and with him and Matyas (The Janitor) there will be interest Just PM me for detail
Z, only you could find and post a print of "Steely Dan" rotflmao 8)
I also would like to see at least a proto-type or plans for a proposed model to peruse...
seeker
why cant you start a thread called radient receiver?
this thread is so off topic but it keeps running strong, four weeks now,lol.
i agree with zorgon that we need some facts and figures.i for one want to believe but i need a foundation to stand upon.
did i miss zorgons posting of the cost of materials for the solarcell build.im up for it, maybe.
as far as tesla,i know alot about his stuff but could never really understand the radient receiver.
does it pull in all hv gradients or does it pull in one hv and convert it.there are lots of frequencies buzzing around out there.
does it create a frequency blackhole of sorts?curious minds want to know.
Quote from: zorgon on September 30, 2012, 09:45:16 PM
Do you have any of his papers? I did try using google to find anything but not much luck. maybe if you had some key notes to help the search
My dad was an electrical engineer (one of the top) at Convair. He did NOT publish anything on classified projects He was working on, no. If there was anything at all in His possession when He passed, I was not there to see it & My mother did not report it, and it was not in HER things when She passed.
I doubt He kept notes at home anyway. When He came home that night, late from work, and woke Me to tell Me We couldn't talk about flying cars, free energy, etc. - or even say the word, "electrogravitics" - because "They want it secret for now," that was the LAST TIME He spoke of His work. It was all secret. Top secret. Above top secret, even.
Good luck finding a damned thing.
QuoteDr. Paul A. LaViolette's work is interesting... but even he cannot put a working model of a free energy machine on the table that we can look at. I even emailed him if he could take a minute to stop by here and answer some questions
On 3/26/2012 6:51 AM, Paul LaViolette wrote:
> Dear Mr. Schmidt,
> I'm sorry that at the moment I don't have any time available as to intense work on a project.
> Best regards,
> Paul LaViolette
It doesn't take more that a few minutes to answer a question... even had he only replied in that email. I guess we are not important enough. Sound a little like a standard brush off. You would think a guy on the fringe of science would be a little more tolerant of nuts like us that actually SUPPORT his work, eh?
Ah well ...
Don't know what's the deal with Paul. I think there's enough in that book, Secrets of Antigravity propulsion, to get going in the right direction. But believe Me...
IF I had $$$$$$$$$$$ I would have a place and tools and such and I would be building the damned thing for You. But it's REALLY hard to build things when the whole sum One has to work with hovers around $1 on the average, and one is effectively homeless or living in a one room cabin.
Also... The REALLY high K, non-linear dielectrics are tough to come by.
Quote from: Amaterasu on September 30, 2012, 11:23:14 PM
Good luck finding a damned thing.
Yeah it is hard... unless you made a name for yourself in a field, very rarely can you find anything in reference material because its all under your company
QuoteDon't know what's the deal with Paul. I think there's enough in that book, Secrets of Antigravity propulsion, to get going in the right direction.
There may be... and I am puzzled about his reaction. What we need at PRC is one other new group. I will set it up :D
QuoteIF I had $$$$$$$$$$$ I would have a place and tools and such and I would be building the damned thing for You.
Really? You have enough info to build us a working model? How much ya need? If we had something solid we could seek funding. That was one of the goals of PRC at the beginning.
In the meantime what we need is blueprints sketches and collected data on results so far. We have builders here that have some money, but they need blueprints
QuoteBut it's REALLY hard to build things when the whole sum One has to work with hovers around $1 on the average, and one is effectively homeless or living in a one room cabin.
True that... but my daughter just took in some bags of aluminum cans she collected from neighbors. Netted $42.00 cash (she learned that from her old man :P )
Guy across the street cleaned out his garage... had a lot of old metal tools chairs etc all rusted scrap. Tossed it into my truck and ran it up to the scrap yard... $180.45 was the check :D Copper (from bits of pipe tossed out and stripped electrical wire is 3.00 a pound scrap. I sit and strip wire with a box cutter while watching TV
Not gonna get rich like that but its FREE and TAX FREE MONEY :D
QuoteAlso... The REALLY high K, non-linear dielectrics are tough to come by.
True that... so that is why I plan to push Solar energy solutions. That is affordable for most, easy to build and install and not dangerous
Not the final solution but it will help many in the here and now. I cannot save the world, but I can help some
Re Patents.That sex machine I posted was more than a bit of humor... it was an important point..
We talk a lot about coverup and hidden tech, but we overlook the low end of the totem...
The Patent Clerk...
The patent clerk is the guy who usually has no or little knowledge in anything that is presented and only follows a loose guideline from a rule book.
But he has the power to make it or break it and that is the main problem in getting an invention out
That dildo machine powered by steam :P was a great idea whose time had not yet come, but today they are available everywhere. In this case it was likely a moral issue that caused that clerk to reject it...
But lets look at something more on topic.
T.H.Moray's Box... the one that you could literally plug your house into and get unlimited free energy. It was even vetted and documented by 100 of his peers at the time...
Yet when he applied for a patent, the patent clerk rejected it because Moray could not explain WHERE the power came from... and that was the end of that.
(http://thmoray.org/images/moray&device.jpg)
At that time the government was not yet covering up technology. That was in an age where guys like Moray and Tesla where encouraged
So just what was in that wooden box? we will never know thanks to that lowly patent clerk that had no vision and now all those papers are gone
First of all, let me welcome Back to the forum :)
Hey that sounds kinda cool...
You are very welcome to post your work in the Inventor's Group, i will PM Zorgon to give you access straight away :) All i ask is that you read the 'attention all newcomers' thread & the 'implications of free energy' thread.
Since you are working on a Tesla machine, you will find a Tesla section under 'inventors', and can post there ;)
Very funny, Zorgon, never seen an espresso machine like THAT before......
QuoteThis is a research forum... well its supposed to be. As such we are going to look hard at picture and need more info to get to working models. That image of yours, as presented would do.... nothing
Now if it came with schematic and experimental data tables... then we can look at it subjectively
If you want people taking a project seriously, you have to provide serious data to back it up
True, but research has many aspects, historical, theoretical, and physical.
I think Pegasus does well in all 3 areas, but like all research, apart from funds, you need to do some serious data gathering.
Some ideas are so vague, and i too whish that Amy had at least some notebooks for us to look at, like we do with Linda.
But that still doesn't matter, by studying all the info & comparing it, building test-rigs to test theories, & then get a working model. Easy.
Zorgon, you can put a 'radient reciever' section in 'Tesla' for me?
I will zap over there if i get the time.
For the rest of you, i have a lot to post about these kind of systems, dead easy, real cheap.
I post these tips like this in the I.F. for example.
Most of it is re-using existing stuff in a new way ;)
Amy, dont worry, i think he may not like being quoted on a 'fringe' site if he's worried about his rep, but Z is right, he could answer some questions, he wrote that book, published it...
QuoteAlso... The REALLY high K, non-linear dielectrics are tough to come by.
We are working on THAT, too ;)
QuoteIn the meantime what we need is blueprints sketches and collected data on results so far. We have builders here that have some money, but they need blueprints
And that...
Moray?
Yes, that was just some a$$hole who threw out a world-shattering invention, but by pooling the info we now have a better picture of how it all works.
Plans?
I've got 1000's of em.
OK have 2 go, more later.
Quote from: PLAYSWITHMACHINES on October 01, 2012, 12:39:47 AM
You are very welcome to post your work in the Inventor's Group, i will PM Zorgon to give you access straight away :)
Already done and explanation sent. I also added Warren York
I will shortly add a Radient Energy subsection to PRC unless you want it in Inventors either way
Quote from: zorgon on October 01, 2012, 12:16:27 AM
Really? You have enough info to build us a working model? How much ya need? If we had something solid we could seek funding. That was one of the goals of PRC at the beginning.
I do believe I have enough info, yes. What I don't have - even with $$$$$$$$$$$$ - is access to the VERY high K non-linear dielectrics. I also need an electrical engineer to help with the wiring 'n' stuff - I imagine that's doable. I will see what I can come up with, sketch-wise, but I need to get the Kindle formatting of My book done. Expect in a day or so.
As for the patent office, yeah. The lowly clerk is likely to have no clue.
Quote from: Amaterasu on October 01, 2012, 12:46:37 AM
I do believe I have enough info, yes. What I don't have - even with $$$$$$$$$$$$ - is access to the VERY high K non-linear dielectrics. I also need an electrical engineer to help with the wiring 'n' stuff - I imagine that's doable. I will see what I can come up with, sketch-wise, but I need to get the Kindle formatting of My book done. Expect in a day or so.
As for the patent office, yeah. The lowly clerk is likely to have no clue.
Ama, you work on the sketches; there are no problems,lass, only solutions; as the old cliche' goes,where there is a will, there is a way...
seeker
Here is a working machine that was REJECTED by the US Patent office :P
No idea why :D
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_1suUAAnWb5k/ScRK374rZiI/AAAAAAAAA28/_Trp1OnCVUI/s400/steamdildo.jpg)
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Holy crap, is that a Sterling engine powered sexual toy? Damn, mine were so bring with their paint cans and rubber gaskets..... :o
Le
how strong a dialectric do you need.teflon isnt high enough?
Quote from: Amaterasu on October 01, 2012, 12:46:37 AM
, but I need to get the Kindle formatting of My book done.
By all means first things first EG can wait a bit longer
It ain't going anywhere :P
lmao, zorgon that was good.
but what if i like banging my head against the floor?
it allows my skull plates to stay flexible so my brain can keep growing.
Quote from: robomont on October 01, 2012, 04:56:17 AM
lmao, zorgon that was good.
but what if i like banging my head against the floor?
it allows my skull plates to stay flexible so my brain can keep growing.
Hehehe! Theres more than one way to melt your brain, Robomont!:D
Try building the lifter in a closed shop and breathing ozone for a couple hours, trying to figure out how Eg will make a ten ton craft fly! Frus-trating!
Le
ozone,plasma,hv,a thousand ways to die.
so will alot of teslas stuff.
stubborn men do stupid stuff,and sometimes it works.my guess the voltage range is going to be higher than ozone,probly more like xrays.
i wish somebody could use xray film on a ufo.that could be very telling.
Quote from: the seeker on October 01, 2012, 01:32:30 AM
Ama, you work on the sketches; there are no problems,lass, only solutions; as the old cliche' goes,where there is a will, there is a way...
seeker
I will indeed. Tomorrow. Too bushed from long day reformatting a book.
Quote from: robomont on October 01, 2012, 04:15:34 AM
how strong a dialectric do you need.teflon isnt high enough?
What K is it and can the K be made non-linear? (i.e., low K at one end, high K at the other.)
i dont know the k but the white cutting board plastic is pretty high.thats teflon and it comes in different thicknesses.pure water is also high.it will store lightning if the water is at five atmospheres.i use to work with voltages of 17000 volts ac and lower at high current.as an assembler.
A dielectric is not per se an insulator, the best dielectrics are metals & ceramics ;)
Ok, will post a thread with pic.
Otherwise, we could just wrap some plumbing tape around our forms and make dielectrics with that...any ideas on that PWM?
I have lotsa tape! :D
Le
Post is up: http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=2896.msg40332
we would use red fiberglass 2x4 with holes drilled in them to route hv cable.it would break down/decompose in about ten years.
Hi All
I have been lurking for a few days reading post ect and trying to find the best place to post.
I will throw this question out there.
What form of electronics can survive an EMP burst.
I love my electricity and want to be prepaired if it happens :)
My understanding is anything anything in a circuit would be fried.
Electronic conponets not in a circuit would not be affected.
Any links or facts on this?
Bless
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Put a faraday cage around your house :D
Or at least line the room with your main stuff. A metal mesh like used for stucco work would do it ad long as its complete and grounded
(http://steelandsecuritysales.com/yahoo_site_admin/assets/images/SECURITY_DRYWALL_MESH_PICTURE.89185638_std.jpg)
Drywall mesh
OR you could buy military EMP rated electronics
Not cheap and mostly still classified though
Other alternative is go back to tubes :P
What you need to know about EMP preparedness...
EMP 101: Part IV—Faraday Cages (http://preparednesspro.wordpress.com/2009/06/18/emp-101-part-iv-faraday-cage/)
Faraday Suit -- Face the Tesla coil and become a Tesla Knight :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJqoRaphiEk
Really
My understanding is an EMP could penetrate a Farade cage :)
That why I was I was asking
Wish I could remember the link that said so
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read that link I provided it has your answers
(http://preparednesspro.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/faraday-cage-mesh-close-up.jpg?w=300&h=201)
QuoteFaraday cages do not have to be solid, thus the name "cage" instead of the oft misused term—"box." In fact, many of them that you can build yourself or will see on the internet will resemble a bird cage or a very finely meshed chicken coop wire.
Teknit is the company we used for Mil-Spec Tempest enclosures meeting the strictest EMI/RFI. Teknit offers customized gaskets, vulcanized rubber and isolation gaskets, including vent screens for air flow. Expensive is an understatement. All doors, covers and lids must have fastener spacing of 2.1 inches, and have the appropriate gasketing. Copper screening over the drywall mesh, everywhere. Our unit was made for E-Systems and went on a shuttle mission, Hermetically sealed, welded enclosure ruggedized with helical isolators. $$$$$$$$
LOL, Tesla Knight!!
Here is a very important point
QuoteBe selective in what you protect. It makes no sense to protect a cell phone, for example, as the cell towers will be useless. If it were me, I would protect radios, communication devices (such as a HAM radio), batteries and all of their respective tools, thumb drives loaded with all of my vital information, and a laptop. Keep in mind that a Faraday cage should be your LAST concern in terms of protecting every electronic that you enjoy presently. It's not like if you preserve your television you're going to have any "juice" to plug it into. Don't focus on a Faraday cage and its time, effort, and expense at the risk of neglecting food, water, and medical supplies. It would be better for you to read up on solar power, wind and steam energy instead.
Quote from: Primus58 on October 03, 2012, 10:24:02 PM
LOL, Tesla Knight!!
Yeah :P Similar to a Kedi Knight
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQgO18qk1_k
Using the FORCE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdrqdW4Miao
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Toons/pope_looks_like_palpatine_02.jpg)
I not worried about my house.
My shop has Has zink plated sheet metal roof. It is all grounded to the best of my ability because of experimention of radient energy
Should be OK?
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You all make me smile :)
Just want to protect enough componets that I can have electricity the day after :)
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Thanks Z for the link
I will sleep better tonight
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galium arsenide microchips can handle emp but you dont have access to them.my house is barn tin.stainless steel wool in any big gaps.bury stranded copper wire and salt in the ground for a ground.
half inch wire if you can afford it.
Thanks for all of your replies.
I think I am safe in my inner cave :)
3 layers of zink plated sheet metal
2 ground rods 1/2 by 8 FT
6 rods 1/4 in 6 ft deep
Guess I am anal
Next question what cars can run or lawn tractors?
I would have to 1 mile to get water
Have to start working onthe h generator :)
Bless all
Have to go do the family thing :)
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maybe an extra car computer.by at junkyard cheap.wrap in foil.save.maybe ignition coil too.now that i think about it your probly screwed unless its a 1960 s model.lol
or get a faraday cage for your car?
im putting my faith in a fourwheeler.
The easiest way to protect any electronics you want to shield is in a steel box, just make sure it is grounded well...if you want whole house protection the best way is to build an earth-sheltered geodesic dome; the re-bar and wire framework that you use to form and shape the dome is a Farraday cage, can be layed out in any design that you choose, and not only very sturdy but once the shotcrete or gunite shell dries, 4" of it will support 20 times more than a conventional 8" reinforced slab...
seeker
Quote from: the seeker on October 04, 2012, 01:47:16 AM
The easiest way to protect any electronics you want to shield is in a steel box, just make sure it is grounded well...if you want whole house protection the best way is to build an earth-sheltered geodesic dome; the re-bar and wire framework that you use to form and shape the dome is a Farraday cage, can be layed out in any design that you choose, and not only very sturdy but once the shotcrete or gunite shell dries, 4" of it will support 20 times more than a conventional 8" reinforced slab...
seeker
Now thats some engineering, Seeker! Using a mesh for the cage material embedded in shotcrete..great idea!
One could also line the inside with a layer of metallic paint for extra protection, right?
Powdered magnetite mixed with a good concrete paint...excellent magnetic deflection.
Cheers!
Quote from: Littleenki on October 04, 2012, 01:56:06 AM
Now thats some engineering, Seeker! Using a mesh for the cage material embedded in shotcrete..great idea!
One could also line the inside with a layer of metallic paint for extra protection, right?
Powdered magnetite mixed with a good concrete paint...excellent magnetic deflection.
Cheers!
you want to use bentonite to make a non-permeable membrane on the outside for water proofing; add the magnetite both inside and outside; should have some definite sheilding properties...
also, since it is earth sheltered or at least semi underground, they are virtually storm proof, tornado proof, and depending on the number of door and window openings, virtually sound proof...
easy to cool in summer, easy to heat when needed...
seeker
Quote from: the seeker on October 04, 2012, 02:27:27 AM
you want to use bentonite to make a non-permeable membrane on the outside for water proofing; add the magnetite both inside and outside; should have some definite sheilding properties...
also, since it is earth sheltered or at least semi underground, they are virtually storm proof, tornado proof, and depending on the number of door and window openings, virtually sound proof...
easy to cool in summer, easy to heat when needed...
seeker
Hmmm where is there an underground facility surounded with bentonite?
DIA, perhaps..wonder whats really under there, now, eh?
Great ideas, Seeker, lets go into the EMP proof bunker business, sir!
Cheers!
Quote from: Littleenki on October 04, 2012, 02:36:59 AM
Hmmm where is there an underground facility surounded with bentonite?
DIA, perhaps..wonder whats really under there, now, eh?
Great ideas, Seeker, lets go into the EMP proof bunker business, sir!
Cheers!
wouldn't be that difficult to do, Lil E; I would have to check the numbers again, but realistically, you could construct a small "bunker" for sheilding and or shelter in a number of different ways ...
buy a 20' or 40' steel shipping container and bury it, add an air system and low voltage power...
If You need a bookkeeper for the company... [grin]
Quote from: the seeker on October 04, 2012, 02:42:51 AM
wouldn't be that difficult to do, Lil E; I would have to check the numbers again, but realistically, you could construct a small "bunker" for sheilding and or shelter in a number of different ways ...
buy a 20' or 40' steel shipping container and bury it, add an air system and low voltage power...
Indeed!
LE...have tools will travel! :D
It would be rather inexpensive, using exisitng materials...reminds me of this solution imagined by the ancient Turks..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derinkuyu
(http://www.gotourturkey.com/sites/default/files/imagepicker/1/orig/derinkuyu+map.jpg)
Sounds like a fun camping trip regardless!
Cheers!
Quote from: Amaterasu on October 04, 2012, 02:46:29 AM
If You need a bookkeeper for the company... [grin]
bookkeeper my native american behind; I'll have ye out there and teach ye how to run a trackhoe and a 'dozer ;D nah, not unless you wanted to... but I have dwelt on the matter for years on building low cost, high efficiency storm shelters that practically any family could afford; perhaps someday...
seeker
Quote from: the seeker on October 05, 2012, 02:04:44 AM
bookkeeper my native american behind; I'll have ye out there and teach ye how to run a trackhoe and a 'dozer ;D nah, not unless you wanted to... but I have dwelt on the matter for years on building low cost, high efficiency storm shelters that practically any family could afford; perhaps someday...
seeker
[smile] Would LOVE to operate any machinery I am given the chance to operate! And maybe We could start something...now.
Quote from: Amaterasu on October 05, 2012, 02:32:48 AM
[smile] Would LOVE to operate any machinery I am given the chance to operate! And maybe We could start something...now.
It would be nice ;D had thoughts of writing a do-it-yeself manual on how to build a simple affordable shelter for tornadoes and offering it for like 5 or 10 bucks just to see if anyone was interested...
seeker
That might be viable. [smile]
Quote from: Amaterasu on October 05, 2012, 02:55:20 AM
That might be viable. [smile]
If I get the time to write it up I believe I'll just have to put it in your capable hands, Ama, and see what comes next...
seeker
Hmmmm. I can surely get it onto Kindle. And proofread 'n' such. Not in that order.
Quote from: Amaterasu on October 05, 2012, 03:26:21 AM
Hmmmm. I can surely get it onto Kindle. And proofread 'n' such. Not in that order.
Perhaps you can research and see what steps are needed to get it on some different sites or maybe a small web page with search engine links...
might be a start of something interesting... and profitable...
seeker
I'm guessing We would have to buy ad space - or get in touch with site owners and make a deal, like "run Our ad & You'll get X per click..." Not sure how all that would work.
I'm rather sucky on understanding web stuff. I have tried to figure out that search engine linking and I am thinking that is not the best avenue for My energies. Marketing is a weakness of mine: witness that I still have only sold 3 copies of My book - despite posting and tweeting and emailing and...
Quote from: Amaterasu on October 05, 2012, 04:31:29 AM
I'm guessing We would have to buy ad space - or get in touch with site owners and make a deal, like "run Our ad & You'll get X per click..." Not sure how all that would work.
I'm rather sucky on understanding web stuff. I have tried to figure out that search engine linking and I am thinking that is not the best avenue for My energies. Marketing is a weakness of mine: witness that I still have only sold 3 copies of My book - despite posting and tweeting and emailing and...
Perhaps you need to email copies to people in the media that would be interested in the book and maybe contact you for an interview...
seeker
Good thought! I will see what I can do, Thanks so much!