Pegasus Research Consortium

Quote from: karl 12 on May 02, 2013, 10:17:55 PM
Well I don't think we know for sure that the ET hypothesis is necessarily the right one mate - there's also plenty of other opinions out there about UFO origin involving extra dimensional folks, crypto-terrestrials, time travellers, Nazis, demons etc..

This is something I am likely to focus on in the near future.  I am increasingly leaning away from the extraterrestrial hypothesis.  I accept that ETs are out there.  I also think - given the astronomical number of possible civilisations out there - they probably have, do and will have visited Earth and also likely monitor Earth's development in the same way humans study anthropology and animal development.  I am beginning to lean away from the ETH in important ways....

In particular, any types of sighting that are more common are in my opinion not likely to be from other star systems or planets.  If there really are saucers, USOs and similar spotted regularly by pilots then there is little reason to assume they are extraterrestrial.  If they are common then they are likely crypto-terrestrial (interdimensional is closely related IMO) with underground, underwater or both the origin.

By hunch is based on a few known facts.

1.  They operate effectively on Earth indicating familiarity with the environs.

2.  They are practically always spotted within the atmosphere and not in space. (excluding plasma critters which I consider possibly identified already)

3.  Humanoid occupants are frequently reported without breathing apparatus which indicates they are adapted to a terrestrial environment.

4.  Mythology suggests we are not alone and have not been alone as the only intelligent biped on Earth.

5.  The cover up at every turn seems to focus on keeping the debate between ET Hypothesis and misidentification and hallucination sometimes requiring hilariously cooked up nonsense to keep UFOlogists and interested parties there.  It makes us look like a bunch of idiots to not move beyond it.


I'd like to do a mega thread on this at some point if time allows but this exploratory thread will be interesting.  The input of members on these ideas would be gratefully accepted.

QuoteThe cover up at every turn seems to focus on keeping the debate between ET Hypothesis and misidentification and hallucination sometimes requiring hilariously cooked up nonsense to keep UFOlogists and interested parties there.  It makes us look like a bunch of idiots to not move beyond it.

I've met some abductees in my time. and concluded that their experiences were very real to them.  But  the human mind is capable of suppressing and replacing memories, so who can say what they really experienced?

I do think that we have no idea of the full range of the Black technology possessed by the US government.  Its extent is well- buried in all the  pony poo.  But, occasionally, I catch a whiff of something else in the mix that seems to point to the possibility of a collaboration with other intelligences, both greater and more powerful than ours.  The "Collins Elite" seem to think these intelligences are real, but are purely demonic in nature.

I'm looking forward to reading your ideas on the subject.
rose

Personally I give high probability to an admixture of ET, Human (now & time trippin') and crypto.  I am yet to experience anything that leads Me to give high probability to extradimensional.  Now, I leave it open to the possibility that I am somehow lacking in the ability to "sense" anything like that...  [shrug]  [smile]

I definitely agree with you both that a lot of it is "ours".  But there is some I think isn't.  That's what I'm referring to.  I also think there are VERY RARE genuine ET encounters.

Anything common though is from closer to home.  Come on guys, time to smell the coffee. :P

Rose, you mentioned some of the high strange, "demonic" stuff.  Are you referring to the abduction phenomenon alone?  OR anything a little more related to the origins of Scientology, Thelema etc?  Or something else? :)  (feel free to go private with your answer, I'll be back on line tomorrow).

Don't forget demonology does not postulate the existence of evil demons only.  There are others....  (Daemon)

I mentioned it only because, according to Nick Redfern, the CE are a high level, powerful group of Christian Eschatologists, dedicated to bringing about the final battle between good and evil.   They seem to play in the Kit Green, Ron Pandolfi, CIA circles and are very fearful of 'soul eaters'

Others seem to think that these evil dis-incarnates are being countered by those working for the good. 

The question I haven't yet resolved for myself  is whether or not this scenario is just more of the same coverup process, or is the ultimate secret inside the coverup?

rose

This "daemonology" stuff....  Like I said about extradimensional (which may be synonymous), I have no personal experience supporting this.  I will not say it is because it does not exist, and give some probability that either I am deficient in some way or that I just have never been given a CHANCE to see...

I HAVE had experience of HUMANS doing ugly things purportedly in worship of some classically defined entity (the "devil") - but of the entity, nothing.

Quote from: Amaterasu on September 26, 2013, 07:48:59 PM
This "daemonology" stuff....  Like I said about extradimensional (which may be synonymous), I have no personal experience supporting this.  I will not say it is because it does not exist, and give some probability that either I am deficient in some way or that I just have never been given a CHANCE to see...

They exist Amy.  I tried putting them into a scientific framework and failed.  That is the road to madness.  It's real though as humans experience it independently without cultural framework to support it.

Quote from: rose on September 26, 2013, 07:36:15 PM
I mentioned it only because, according to Nick Redfern, the CE are a high level, powerful group of Christian Eschatologists, dedicated to bringing about the final battle between good and evil.   They seem to play in the Kit Green, Ron Pandolfi, CIA circles and are very fearful of 'soul eaters'

George Bush is one of them and they killed Kennedy.  Yes, high level.

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Others seem to think that these evil dis-incarnates are being countered by those working for the good. 

The question I haven't yet resolved for myself  is whether or not this scenario is just more of the same coverup process, or is the ultimate secret inside the coverup?

If they were only covering up one secret I might agree. :)

 Interesting, Pimander; I,too, ascribe to a large number of what we see as being of terrestrial origin; yet there are clues that we do indeed have "visitors" at times, and it would not surprise me to see revealed that other races are here among us, hiding in plain sight...

as to what their purpose or motive is...


seeker

well Pimander.. what you say about pure misdirection i can't agree with
i think it was more accidental  misdirection..sort of a lucky break thing

i've gone back and forth on what i think and right now am at the crossroads
i have heard and seen things.. ours or not ? ..i don't know..from inner places
or dimensions.. not sure..
time slips.. corporal displacement ...yes to those
but i can tell you there is evil out there and given a tiny tiny opening they charge
other than that.. i try to keep to myself and just observe

Quote from: sky otter on September 26, 2013, 09:14:02 PM

i have heard and seen things.. ours or not ? ..i don't know..from inner places
or dimensions.. not sure..
time slips.. corporal displacement ...yes to those
but i can tell you there is evil out there and given a tiny tiny opening they charge
other than that.. i try to keep to myself and just observe

Slightly off-topic, Sky, but I had a Black-eyed kid encounter a year ago, though I didn't realize it at the time. WhenWeatherby began speaking about his book on the subject it dawned on me that mine was a classic BEK story, right down to the near-instant disappearance of the kid once I closed the door.  I only mention it since I've wondered if I had left some 'tiny opening' out there that brought it forth.

rose
rose

rose
wow.. ..i don't think you have to leave a door open to be approached
you just have to be aware  when you are approached..imo
good old hindsight  says you must have been aware on some level since you did shut the door..
sometimes we don't give ourselves enough credit..again imo

I think that these categories are not mutually exclusive. You could have ET's traveling interdimensionally and supporting deep earth or undersea bases.

I also think there are better questions here - why are they here?  Why don't they intervene openly? What is the basis of their apparent unity, given that they don't openly expose themselves?  It's OK to hypothesize about a Prime Directive but how does that get enforced presently, especially if it wasn't enforced in the ancient past?

QuoteI also think there are better questions here - why are they here?  Why don't they intervene openly? What is the basis of their apparent unity, given that they don't openly expose themselves?

Good Questions   :)

Ok, here we go with a Grand Explanation Attempt, drawn out from a simple starting point:  We're not telepathic and They Are.

If Aliens are telepathic, then their unity of purpose follows easily.  It would be difficult to see how it could be otherwise. Likewise, our lack of telepathy or shared consciousness results in hate, division, war - and the persistence of poverty as well as lack of solutions in the energy field.

This could also create a degree of 'arms length' detachment by Aliens - think of a homeless person who looks awful and smells worse.  You avoid him also because he may be crazy or violent.  If Aliens can read our thoughts, they may be repelled similarly.  Yet, they may feel some pity, even as we would in such a situation.

As 'Sleeper' claimed,  it's OK for them to inject thoughts in humans.  I read one channeler assert that Pleiadians inspired the Internet to get humans moving down the shared consciousness road.  It seems to be working - especially looking at the recent 'we're going to war' failure. Perhaps they'll try to splice it into our genes somehow as well.

Quote from: Eighthman on September 27, 2013, 01:22:19 AM
I think that these categories are not mutually exclusive. You could have ET's traveling interdimensionally and supporting deep earth or undersea bases.

I also think there are better questions here - why are they here?  Why don't they intervene openly? What is the basis of their apparent unity, given that they don't openly expose themselves?  It's OK to hypothesize about a Prime Directive but how does that get enforced presently, especially if it wasn't enforced in the ancient past?

Gold.

Quote from: Eighthman on September 27, 2013, 02:38:42 AM
Ok, here we go with a Grand Explanation Attempt, drawn out from a simple starting point:  We're not telepathic and They Are.

If Aliens are telepathic, then their unity of purpose follows easily.  It would be difficult to see how it could be otherwise. Likewise, our lack of telepathy or shared consciousness results in hate, division, war - and the persistence of poverty as well as lack of solutions in the energy field.

This could also create a degree of 'arms length' detachment by Aliens  - think of a homeless person who looks awful and smells worse.  You avoid him also because he may be crazy or violent.  If Aliens can read our thoughts, they may be repelled similarly.  Yet, they may feel some pity, even as we would in such a situation.

As 'Sleeper' claimed,  it's OK for them to inject thoughts in humans.  I read one channeler assert that Pleiadians inspired the Internet to get humans moving down the shared consciousness road.  It seems to be working - especially looking at the recent 'we're going to war' failure. Perhaps they'll try to splice it into our genes somehow as well.

I've had telepathic moments - I'm sure we all have  ;D
Certain Alien communications have openly stated this also
From my experience and beliefs, some sympathise with us, others are here as a cosmic duty (baby sitting), and others have no emotions like we do
Working like a treat  :D

Quote from: Eighthman on September 27, 2013, 01:22:19 AM
I also think there are better questions here - why are they here?  Why don't they intervene openly? What is the basis of their apparent unity, given that they don't openly expose themselves?  It's OK to hypothesize about a Prime Directive but how does that get enforced presently, especially if it wasn't enforced in the ancient past?

If they are from here there is no need to ask those questions.  There is very good evidence they have intervened where nuclear weapons are concerned for a start.  Any "prime directive" certainly does not apply to these guys therefore if there is such a directive they are natives and the rule does not apply to them.

Surely the logic behind my argument is impeccable?

Again, do we really need to pretend we have any reason to assume they are not from here?

Yes the UFO occupants might be extraterrestrial but there is practically no evidence they are.  If you are being scientific the evidence comes first.  I know there is no harm speculating but ultimately UFOlogy has probably been led on a merry dance.

Of course the various aliens/UFO theories are not mutually exclusive.  But I'm trying to initiate a debate about the merits or otherwise of the ET hypothesis here.

What is the evidence to back up the ET hypothesis?  Does it all actually originate from a disinformation program?  I say quite likely.  An in depth study of the cover up backs up my developing theory.

The evidence for the ET hypothesis is certainly not intelligent bipeds that can communicate with humans and need no breathing apparatus on Earth.  Surely that is obvious?  It stands to reason that if they can do that they are likely from far closer to home.

Smell the coffee members.

I'd suggest the evidence for ET lies in the monolith on Phobo's (hope it's the right moon, and the correct spelling! Lol), and ruins on our moon and even Mars, I further suggest the NASA footage of UFO's which are quite plainly ET.

That's ignoring all other speculation.

Quote from: Sinny on September 27, 2013, 04:28:55 PM
I'd suggest the evidence for ET lies in the monolith on Phobo's (hope it's the right moon, and the correct spelling! Lol), and ruins on our moon and even Mars, I further suggest the NASA footage of UFO's which are quite plainly ET.

NASA footage of CRAFT - if there is any - is taken in the immediate Environment of Earth.  Our space ships are present in the immediate environment of Earth too.  Where are ours from?  Earth of course.  (Also many are plasma critters and not space ships).

If there really is a monolith on Mars (not Hoaxland material is it?) then it may or may not originate from an advanced Earth species OR ET.

I think you are missing my point a little bit here.  What I am trying to say is that, although there is likely such a thing as ET, there is ABSOLUTELY NO STRONG EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER that the commonly sighted UFOs (saucers and triangles which are remarkably well adapted to terrestrial conditions) and the commonly sighted humanoids (that surprisingly appear to require no breathing apparatus) ARE ANYTHING OTHER THAN TERRESTRIAL.

Yes, there is likely ET but that is a side issue to what I am saying.

No strong evidence at all that the commonly studied sightings are not terrestrial.  In fact, I think the so called cover up is hiding the fact that it is not ET.  IT IS DISINFORMATION THAT THE COMMON ONES ARE ET.  The debate is deliberately kept about ET or hoax/misinterpretation when neither is the case about the important sightings.  Especially the ones related to nuclear weapons.

The nukes are of interest to the "aliens" because this is their home too.  The "Prime Directive" if it exists would not apply to a crypto-terrestrial race.  Geddit?

If you look at the cover up deeply, you will see that this explanation covers a lot of unexplained things.

ETA:  The Hoaxland material about Mars has disinformation written all over it.  Most of the material indicating ET origins does.

For me, the question is not so much whether or not ETs exist.  I've done ceremonial evocation at least a couple of times, as well as had a few other odd experiences that I've mentioned to people; so I definitely know that acorporeal beings exist, whether or not physical ETs do.

The real question, is whether or not ETs are relevant to you personally; and the truth is that most of the time, they aren't.  We live in an extremely large, and truthfully very lively and highly populated universe, (even though it doesn't look like that from a beta brain wave state, most of the time) and so there are all sorts of beings coming and going, and doing whatever it is that they normally do.

The problem is that we humans are chronically egocentric, and we assume that every single time we see a saucer, or some flash of light or something weird out of the corner of our eyes, that we're being given a deliberate message; when most of the time, we aren't. 

A friend of mine and I used to conduct seances in a house I lived in previously, as a teenager.  At the time, the house was newly built, so it was completely clean, supernaturally speaking.  Over time, however, because we performed seances regularly, we opened a vortex in my bedroom, to the point where I would often be sitting at my computer, after we'd finished, and I would feel people randomly walking past me. 

They weren't there because they had come to see me; they were there because over time, we'd caused the veil in the immediate area to become a little thinner than in most places, so that even when spirits were innocently going about their business, they would still register with me.

The point is, if you don't see UFOs, or if you do see one, don't freak out about it, because either way, it's actually very innocuous and normal.  You don't go crazy when you see someone driving down the road in front of your house, so you shouldn't necessarily make a big deal about it if the Sirians or the Greys or whoever else happens to fly over said house, as well. 

They may not be interested in you at all; they might be going somewhere else entirely, and you just happened to catch them going past.  Experience joy, if you like, over the fact that you've seen that you live in a larger universe than you thought, but apart from that, don't worry about it.

All good points Pimander; may I also suggest that there is the possibility that survivors from the previous cycles of inhabitants here on our rock were very advanced at the times of the various cataclysms and have been here all along.

I believe it was Buzz Aldrin that disclosed the monolith on phobos, if I recall correctly.


seeker

Quote from: the seeker on September 27, 2013, 06:02:10 PM
All good points Pimander; may I also suggest that there is the possibility that survivors from the previous cycles of inhabitants here on our rock were very advanced at the times of the various cataclysms and have been here all along.

...And they might not appreciate other races showing up and poaching their resources and cattle.

Quote from: A51Watcher on September 27, 2013, 06:13:17 PM

...And they might not appreciate other races showing up and poaching their resources and cattle.

I'm assuming you have all read my aliens are Dinosaurs thread right?

Are 'Aliens' Dinosaurs & Survivers of an Earthly Cataclysm Returning Home? (http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread665809/pg1)

I didn't realise I never moved a copy to PRC Forum. :)

Quote from: Pimander on September 27, 2013, 06:24:02 PM
I'm assuming you have all read my aliens are Dinosaurs thread right?

Are 'Aliens' Dinosaurs & Survivers of an Earthly Cataclysm Returning Home? (http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread665809/pg1)

I didn't realise I never moved a copy to PRC Forum. :)

this is my theory on 2 (greys and reptilians) of the alien species.  they are earthlings from prior ages.  we are the new kids on the block.

Quote from: undo11 on September 27, 2013, 06:31:08 PM
this is my theory on 2 (greys and reptilians) of the alien species.  they are earthlings from prior ages.  we are the new kids on the block.

Makes more sense than a guy from Sirius not needing breathing gear. ;)

Quote from: Pimander on September 27, 2013, 07:10:54 PM
Makes more sense than a guy from Sirius not needing breathing gear. ;)

interesting that you arrived at that conclusion with scientific skepticism regarding their abilities and physiology. whereas i arrived at that conclusion based on things like this
(http://thelivingmoon.com/undomiel/earliestRA4.jpg)

Quote from: the seeker on September 27, 2013, 06:02:10 PM
All good points Pimander; may I also suggest that there is the possibility that survivors from the previous cycles of inhabitants here on our rock were very advanced at the times of the various cataclysms and have been here all along.

I believe it was Buzz Aldrin that disclosed the monolith on phobos, if I recall correctly.


seeker

I must admit I clicked on the last page of this thread and read backwards. 

I was thinking only the other night about my last trip in Taiwan and a visit to an Aboriginal Culutre/Nature Musuem sorta place and how the tribe in that area said their ancestor's come from the ground/cave.  I honestly can't recall the exact wording of what was used on the plaque to describe how they came out of the ground. 

Just recently I posted a thread to an awesome doco on Scientific research in regards yo Australian Aboriginals. There was a Cave featured in that doco where the oral tradition also said their ancestor's came from said cave.

I am sure there are more case's of this "out of the ground we came from" around the world, but the above two case's of oral speak are two I have come across in recent time's which if taken literally as described... baffle the mind :) 

Then we have the sky god's and dragon's to contend with along with UFO's that oral speak talk of :O

My head hurts  ;D

   

I regret that I must continue to be quite contrary.  My questions remain unanswered.

Whether an Alien is from a hollow earth, our future, an undersea base in the Pacific or a galaxy far away, we still are faced with the fact that they are not manifest to common society.  No present government (that I am aware of) openly affirms their existence.  The matter is still dominated by dismissals and ridicule.

Where ever their home is,  none of them ever stages a 'Day The Earth Stood Still' visit.  Why not?

"They" apparently shut off some Minuteman missiles - but did not stop the obscene 'Tsar Bomba' test.  Why?

Many channelers assert their benevolence and caring about us but they could easily 'level' the hurtful inequality of our world if they gave us free energy technology.  Why not?

OTOH, I would prefer to think that reported cases that are extremely negative are the product of sick humans, trying to trigger fearfulness by using alien technology.

Quote from: Pimander on September 27, 2013, 04:40:04 PM
NASA footage of CRAFT - if there is any - is taken in the immediate Environment of Earth.  Our space ships are present in the immediate environment of Earth too.  Where are ours from?  Earth of course.  (Also many are plasma critters and not space ships).

If there really is a monolith on Mars (not Hoaxland material is it?) then it may or may not originate from an advanced Earth species OR ET.

I think you are missing my point a little bit here.  What I am trying to say is that, although there is likely such a thing as ET, there is ABSOLUTELY NO STRONG EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER that the commonly sighted UFOs (saucers and triangles which are remarkably well adapted to terrestrial conditions) and the commonly sighted humanoids (that surprisingly appear to require no breathing apparatus) ARE ANYTHING OTHER THAN TERRESTRIAL.

Yes, there is likely ET but that is a side issue to what I am saying.

No strong evidence at all that the commonly studied sightings are not terrestrial.  In fact, I think the so called cover up is hiding the fact that it is not ET.  IT IS DISINFORMATION THAT THE COMMON ONES ARE ET.  The debate is deliberately kept about ET or hoax/misinterpretation when neither is the case about the important sightings.  Especially the ones related to nuclear weapons.

The nukes are of interest to the "aliens" because this is their home too.  The "Prime Directive" if it exists would not apply to a crypto-terrestrial race.  Geddit?

If you look at the cover up deeply, you will see that this explanation covers a lot of unexplained things.

ETA:  The Hoaxland material about Mars has disinformation written all over it.  Most of the material indicating ET origins does.

Oh, I completely agree that many 'UFO's are in fact terrestrial - I'm a believer in the Cosmospheres and craft of the like..I didn't include them in your hypothesis because I already accept these as fact- I suppose from an abstract point of view, these craft and the like are what you are discussing.

I also agree with your 'secret, terrestrial, prime directive' -  makes sense.

In regards to the 'Hoaxland' material - I always fall asleep during his lectures  :P but in regards to those infamous picks - they are there for you or I to interpretate....

My personal opinion is; "Hey - ho"...There's lots going on around us, do we need to worry about labels?

Until the difference between LIFE (a non Material, Non Dimensional Entity) and the experience,
i.e. the body and Environment or Universe is realised.....

Understanding of this subject can NOT be understood in its TRUE Context.

Science today, along with the general public, still don't fully understand.... Reflected in the sense,
where they are looking for LIFE in the Universe.

But that is a bit like looking for LIFE in a "1st Person" Video or Computer game...   :)

As is the case with a "1st person" video or Computer Game LIFE is NOT strictly inside the environment
of the game!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-person_(video_games)

QuoteIn video games, first-person refers to a graphical perspective rendered from the viewpoint
of the player character.

In many cases, this may be the viewpoint from the cockpit of a vehicle

Many different genres have made use of first-person perspectives, ranging from adventure games
to flight simulators.

Perhaps the most notable genre to make use of this device is the first-person shooter,
where the graphical perspective has an immense impact on game play.

So to it is also the case with respect to those "Avatars" (us and Alien Species)

http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/avatar

Quote2.    an icon or figure representing a particular person in a computer game, Internet forum, etc.:

in the Universe, a Sophisticated "1st person" game manufactured by LIFE itself, Immaterial
and Non-Dimensional....   :)

To get to grips with the Alien Enigma, we have to get to grips with the above mentioned scenario,
or we are simply going around in endless circles never making any advance in understanding.

"The LIVING ONE" or "LIVING Component" is actually Outside the Environment of a Projected
Pseudo Projection, one believes to be the foundation of reality where in fact it is nothing more than
a "1st Person" game, Manufactured by LIFE, of a Immaterial and Non-Dimensional World
or Environment.

I think, Pimander, that it would be helpful if you were explicit in regard to what you're talking about.

OK, if you mean that most sightings are from the US Black OPs, then that explains the Prime Directive thing but ......maybe not the interfering with Nukes thing. Also, Triangles screwing around European skies, challenging NATO fighters in the '80's seems odd.

If you mean "Agatha" or underground bases or that we share the earth in some odd dimensional way, maybe that explains some (not all) of the Nuke stuff but , again not the lack of the Day The Earth stood still.

  Maybe multiple players are involved here.

QuoteMaybe multiple players are involved here.

That's an understatement...   :)

The Earth may be playing the part of the Bate, in a "Trap" ?

"Bait"?  "First person video games"?

What the heck are we, then?  The Cosmic Version of Grand Theft Auto?

I don't remember any celestial past so I'm afraid I'm just a unwilling participant.   

Quote from: Eighthman on September 28, 2013, 01:36:40 AM
"Bait"?  "First person video games"?

What the heck are we, then?  The Cosmic Version of Grand Theft Auto?

I don't remember any celestial past so I'm afraid I'm just a unwilling participant.

You wrote the book... you now experience, so you should know ?   :)

Your Outer End knows all and is now presenting the experience you are now having.

But the Absolute Centre End has No knowledge of this.

If it did, then you would be unable to experience the Program Book you have written, before experiencing it.   :)

MAN Know Thy SELF.

Quote from: Sinny on September 27, 2013, 04:28:55 PM
I'd suggest the evidence for ET lies in the monolith on Phobo's (hope it's the right moon, and the correct spelling! Lol), and ruins on our moon and even Mars, I further suggest the NASA footage of UFO's which are quite plainly ET.

It's a rock, I have never seen any ruins. ;D

pimander quote
The nukes are of interest to the "aliens" because this is their home too. 

seeker quote
may I also suggest that there is the possibility that survivors from the previous cycles of inhabitants here on our rock were very advanced at the times of the various cataclysms and have been here all along.

undo quote
this is my theory on 2 (greys and reptilians) of the alien species.  they are earthlings from prior ages.  we are the new kids on the block

eigthman quote
What the heck are we, then?


my conjecture is
that we are in part some of those left out (rejects)  or missed out (stupids) on the survival of going underground eons ago for safety...
or perhaps
that's where we started..underground...and some were kicked out
( hummmmmmmmm that sounds way to familiar   ;))
and
that WE have been mixed with other (you make up what you want..aliens *spirits*reprogramed*whatever)
or we are just a product of continous breeding and nothing more
  and have finally come to some selfaware questioning state
all theories

we have strong psychic abilities that are latent and only a few use them or recognize  how they can be developed..that is a fact

the germans woke a sleeping evil and that changed the need for the beginning ones
from up or down or in
to venture out..
nazi's - bombs -   nuclear stuff all around the same time frame as visitors

cover ups because sadly most humans are sheeple and like it that way...

when you come right down to it what the heck difference does it make which direction
when we are still so unaware of who and what WE are

::)

Quotewhen you come right down to it what the heck difference does it make which direction
when we are still so unaware of who and what WE are.

Beautifully put Sky. I love the way you word things...  :) Far more articulate than myself.

There is not enough GOLD in the bank, to transfer the quantity you deserve...   :)

Aliens are everywwhere and everything including us. I still think we are a zoo. Way to many life forms on one planet. maybe we are a collection from everywhere. Many times I see Orbs split up like a tour bus full of different groups, 3 go this way, 8 the other and a few singles wander around. All remote. The universe is either empty or a million times more complex than we think. I go with the complex. I also go with everything and anything is out there.

Tickets for sale, take the Earth tour, see the crazy humans kill themselves. This is what happens when you don't train them. They soil themselves and ruin the park. Even 2 of them will fight with each other, to the death. Over 18 only for the death tours.

Deuem

Deuem, You know that's not really what is going on.  Most of Us are horrified at the war and pollution - created by the psychopaths in control who BLAME it on "Humanity."

Since WE don't have the power in the present system is EXACTLY why I would transcend that system to put the 96% of Us who are NOT psychopaths in collective stigmergic control of the planet.

We will do a far better job than the psychopaths.

You got it !, It is always a few bad apples that spoil the barrel. 99% of us are good people being mis-dirrected by a very few. But we let them do it because they have the controls over us. Someone takes control.

I see this even with my fish. One of them will take over a school. They will fight to the death to contol it. Then the rest just fall in line like nice sheep. If the rest of the school would fight back then another would rise to control the school. When you get fish, buy a school of them and see what happens. 10 or more of the same breed will do. I have 4 different schools now and a few odd fish that fall in line with one of the schools.

People are no different, they fall in line behind a leader and do what ever the leader says. So the zoo is lead by a very few. Who controls that few? The experiment is to see if Mankind can rise above the mentality of common animals and take its place in the stars. so far we are failing very bad.....

One persons psychopath is another persons leader! It is a point of view thing we can't work out yet.

Deuem

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"Aliens are everywwhere and everything including us. I still think we are a zoo. Way to many life forms on one planet. maybe we are a collection from everywhere. Many times I see Orbs split up like a tour bus full of different groups, 3 go this way, 8 the other and a few singles wander around. All remote. The universe is either empty or a million times more complex than we think. I go with the complex. I also go with everything and anything is out there."

Yea im with you on that.

Inner world? Maybe! Interweaving dimensions? very probably.
Visits by living astronauts in craft from other planets? yea i think so.
Critters? definitely. But i think there is more to it. At this juncture we can or will only process a certain amount of data that our given, limited parameters will allow. I imagine that is determined by many factors. Our internal belief systems, our religious shrouds of influence etc, our collective percieved history, will all determine how the evolution of our "seeable" (is that a word?) enviroment unfolds before us.
I think this information revolution we are all partaking in now will and has opened many doors of perspective and indeed perception.

As to us in our day to day meat suits, I still maintain we are a genetic mistake, maybe an experiment gone wrong.
I also love the mad notion of this place being a penal colony from long, long ago. where our ancestors were shipped too as delinquents and misfits to fend for ourselves.

Happy Saturday ;)

Quote from: ArMaP on September 28, 2013, 01:43:26 AM
It's a rock, I have never seen any ruins. ;D

Quote from: Sinny on September 28, 2013, 11:09:50 AM

From an academic point of view - this guys opinion trumps yours  :P

Monolith = one rock

PS: Mars has more than one moon, so, saying "visit the moon of Mars" is not correct, regardless of who says it.

Great thread Pimander, some very intellectual mind's deliberating over this so called 'Debacle' with in true understanding of such topical matter's. I have read every post, and have even reread some of the more "Self Interpreted" possibilities of what is actually going on with in this elusive field of after thought over the Alien vs Reality propagated ideologies.

Though I am biased with Matrix's explanation for full understanding, and find his interpretation's very enlightening, using 'First Person Avatar' type of explanation's and referencing the Biblical versus as a point of the interpretation's for attempting Matrix's understanding of such thing's, it becomes quite relevant that we are 'TRULY' writing our own stories individually, regardless of the what other people may think of these self divulged interpretation's with in understanding.

Deuem's Fish explanation allows me too visually and logically comprehend that there is some kind of 'Pecking Order' with in species that are prone to look for such thing's as dominant leader qualities. This we (Or should I say 'I' ) have categorically substantiated as the "Survival of the fittest" characteristic. And leads to a whole species genre of accepted natural order of things such as aquatic life and their apparent societal order of thing's, but let me clarify, I use the word "Accepted" very loosely here for self interpretation of the apparent witnessed pecking order that Deuem has extrapolated on when it comes to "Schooling" or "Colonizing" as he had explained seemed to be going on.

Though I cannot definitively and correspondingly relate Humankind's to fish species, there seems to be an underlining similarity into the whole 'Pecking order' of societal acceptance, especially when it comes to something that is coincidentally an accepted "Species/Societal Norm" with in different genre's of life species.

As far as us, and something that I have seen that is over looked here with in the conversation is the process of what begot's 'Reality' and for me this is the Finite point of conceptualize thought and acting on such thought's. 

Though I know we can all attest to the what our reality may or may not be, we have to adamantly agree that with in the power of 'Choice' lie's the fundamental moment of where 'Thought' and the thinking process produce's said "None Existence" into  a reality state of factually being.

Just as we are trying to fully understand the posing enigma of the apparent twin Electron theory, which is when an Electron exists in one place and time, there is an Identical Electron (Somewhere) that is with in either another dimensional state or time, but exact none the less. Whether the Electron is doing the same thing at any given moment from one locale to another, we do have a good idea there is two of the same design and configuration.

When wagering the whole "The Extraterrestrial Hypothesis" we have to conclusively acknowledge that whether or not there is explanation for how these thing's work or how they are accepted, it is from the very moment when something has triggered the mechanism that is naturally with in us as a specie's to derive to the realm's of 'reality' or 'Misinterpretation' of said experience's. This is where individual conceptual deductive reasoning becomes an issue of "The Experience" and fundamentally thwart's any real conclusive evidence from being shared or irrefutable for disclosing the truth of the experience.

Though 'I' have "No Doubt" if the Hypothesis you are bringing up here as too if the Alien's are real or not, this is my personal experience, it really happened, it was a moment that changed my 'Young' life very early, and though I had one verifying witness to the event and what it meant to both of us, that person has now passed away but remain's with out a doubt the most pivotal instance of my life to allow me to "Make the Choice" of what my reality may truly en-tale with in my thought perception's and interpretation's of those thing's that are apparently other worldly too be fully acceptable as "Fact" and not mere "Speculation" of "What was it I have experienced or seen" kind of deductive reasoning.

Before "Reality" with in our realms of existence is achieved, we must confess that before it was a reality, it was merely thought and ideologies of what has been working it's way to fruition.

I hope I have given the importance of how the "Power of Choice" plays a necessary role with in our reality, and that even though we discuss and deliberate here, there are some of us that need not to either be convinced or guided to these conclusion's, I have my Own answer's to these quandaries, and they are not Hypothetical's, they are a part of who I now am. Both with in perception and thought deductive instances that have seemingly made their way too me a few times over my life, and I know that this was not a man made object, it was not being imposed on me by influence's of or by other's. It happened without explanation.

Just as Deuem's fish have apparently showed some form of order with in the chaos of what is a fishes life, it seems there may be a protocol for all living thing's, regardless of how elusive or other worldly, it may come down to the simple but power of "Choice" to fully grasp these potentials. 

Interesting topic Pimander, hope I didn't side track off topic here, but it is the ever elusive answer for exacting truth's we so wish we had, irrefutably and can prove with tangible evidence. "We are Writing our own Book" as matrix would say, with every choice and idea we act upon, and that there is without a doubt.

1WW

As a practical matter, I pursue this subject to find hope, not merely as a curiosity.  There may be evidence that Aliens have discreetly intervened in regard to nuclear missiles and perhaps in regard to other threats.

I tend to look at the human race as a man placed against a brick wall for execution - who strangely finds no wonder in why volley after volley of shots has missed him.

False flags, nuclear accidents, Fukushima, weird new diseases that fail as pandemics, asteroids, CME's, solar flares, sensor failures warning about WW3 launches, plutonium dumps in the Arctic Sea......

Somebody likes us.  Or acts as if they do.

Will the internet move us to shared consciousness? If so, that which follows may be wonderful.

Quote from: Eighthman on September 28, 2013, 07:58:14 PM
Somebody likes us.  Or acts as if they do.

Or we think things are worse than they are. :)

Quote from: Eighthman on September 28, 2013, 07:58:14 PM
As a practical matter, I pursue this subject to find hope, not merely as a curiosity.  There may be evidence that Aliens have discreetly intervened in regard to nuclear missiles and perhaps in regard to other threats.

I tend to look at the human race as a man placed against a brick wall for execution - who strangely finds no wonder in why volley after volley of shots has missed him.

False flags, nuclear accidents, Fukushima, weird new diseases that fail as pandemics, asteroids, CME's, solar flares, sensor failures warning about WW3 launches, plutonium dumps in the Arctic Sea......

Somebody likes us.  Or acts as if they do.

Will the internet move us to shared consciousness? If so, that which follows may be wonderful.

Or maybe we've  just been lucky this far, and we are hanging by a thread.

QuoteSomebody likes us.  Or acts as if they do.


Or we think things are worse than they are. :)

Hmmmmm..  The "Opposites".

All is made from the "Opposites" !

There's that Paradox once again...

Perhaps we need to understand HOW ALL has been Manufactured from the "Opposites"  ?   :)


The "Opposites" also enables the Phenomena of "Choice"....

Quote from: Eighthman on September 28, 2013, 07:58:14 PM

weird new diseases that fail as pandemics,

my nephew contracted H1N1.  they had to put him in an artificial coma for 21 days, to save his life.  when they finally brought him out of it, he was alive, but now had a thyroid disease, diabetes, and parkinsons. 

As to being 'lucky',  I often marvel at how skeptical explanations, offered almost automatically in defense of mainstream narratives, would eviscerate law enforcement, if widely applied.

"How did you acquire these large sums, sir?"  "Did you find the sudden death of the star witness against you to be highly timely and coincidental?"


"I got lucky!"

Quote from: undo11 on September 27, 2013, 07:26:56 PM
interesting that you arrived at that conclusion with scientific skepticism regarding their abilities and physiology. whereas i arrived at that conclusion based on things like this

Some (most?) of the material I write on here is more "educated" or even imaginitive speculation that scientific scepticism but I agree with the sentiment.  You can tell when I'm being sceptical as members start arguing with me.  It is interesting and the more routes we take to a place, the more we feel like I know our way around. :)

Quote from: Eighthman on September 28, 2013, 12:13:13 AM
Whether an Alien is from a hollow earth, our future, an undersea base in the Pacific or a galaxy far away, we still are faced with the fact that they are not manifest to common society.  No present government (that I am aware of) openly affirms their existence.  The matter is still dominated by dismissals and ridicule.

Agreed.  They are still aliens, whether ET or not.

Quote"They" apparently shut off some Minuteman missiles - but did not stop the obscene 'Tsar Bomba' test.  Why?  Where ever their home is,  none of them ever stages a 'Day The Earth Stood Still' visit.  Why not?

Not in their interests?  If they can they don't so it isn't in their interests to do so.

Perhaps the answer to that riddle lies in the "high strangeness" aspect of the phenomenon?

QuoteMany channelers assert their benevolence and caring about us but they could easily 'level' the hurtful inequality of our world if they gave us free energy technology.  Why not?

Why? Power?  The "aliens" want to remain more powerful than us.  Or their technology is completely alien and useless to us?

Free energy is virtually limitless power.  Why would anyone give humans that when they build nuclear bombs and nuclear power stations on fault lines with the current deadliest technology in their possession.

If we at PRC get close to a free energy technology, we have to be responsible and not advertise everything on Skype and public forums.  Society has to adapt and the technology needs to be used carefully.  I know Zorgon is aware of this but are we all?

This touches on what the authorities are partly concerned about.  Free energy would be deadly in the wrong hands.  The other thing they fear is the economic implications and potential chaos caused by the potential widespread availability of free energy.

QuoteOTOH, I would prefer to think that reported cases that are extremely negative are the product of sick humans, trying to trigger fearfulness by using alien technology.

I'd like to think a lot of things but that doesn't make them true.  :)

Quote from: Sinny on September 28, 2013, 12:49:12 AM
My personal opinion is; "Hey - ho"...There's lots going on around us, do we need to worry about labels?

The reason labels matter is a simple one.  The key to understanding is the definition of terms.  (MatrixTraveller and I are finding this out when we try to communicate I think).

The UFO/aliens phenomenon is one that continues to confound some great minds (and many less great ones :P ).   Clearly the people pondering the riddle have looked at the puzzle the wrong way or they would have solved it by now.  I think that labelling the phenomenon as being Extraterrestrial has played no small part in keeping people in the box and confused.

Labels do matter.  Would you call someone with a penis a woman?

A few of you mentioned Channelling.

MK-ULTRA & COINTELPRO - Sinister Mind Control and New Age (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=1733.0)

I agree with you Eighthman that there is more than one solution to the riddle.  Solutions to include covert human tech, cover ups of nuclear accidents and a highly strange interdimensional thing.  Perhaps even the odd real ET.

However, the crux of this thread was that if we say that there are intelligent humanoids (including in ancient texts like Sinny said) and the sightings are in some cases real (partly or wholly flesh and blood not just visions), that they are common sightings relative to other types,  that they need no life support and can tolerate Earth atmosphere, temperatures and pressures and are familiar enough with humans to push their spiritual buttons (and even mate with them according to reports) then they are terrestrial or very near neighbours.  It stands to reason.

Quote from: Pimander on September 30, 2013, 04:02:08 PM
A few of you mentioned Channelling.

MK-ULTRA & COINTELPRO - Sinister Mind Control and New Age (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=1733.0)

With respect, Pimander, you and I have had some divergence of opinion on this topic before.  Specifically, while I definitely agree that some channelled material is the product of covert operations, that does not necessarily mean that all of it is; and personally, I am not prepared to generalise to that extent.

An additional reason why I am not prepared to make that generalisation, is because of the extent to which I have found some channelled material to both be empowering, and conducive to a more effective understanding of the society in which I live.

QuoteHowever, the crux of this thread was that if we say that there are intelligent humanoids (including in ancient texts like Sinny said) and the sightings are in some cases real (partly or wholly flesh and blood not just visions), that they are common sightings relative to other types,  that they need no life support and can tolerate Earth atmosphere, temperatures and pressures and are familiar enough with humans to push their spiritual buttons (and even mate with them according to reports) then they are terrestrial or very near neighbours.  It stands to reason.

I am uncertain as to why environmental or physiological similarity, is necessarily associated with a close point of origin to our own.  It certainly might be, of course; but I don't think it necessarily has to be.

Here on Earth, we have animals with a fairly large number of different forms of locomotion or movement; yet you tend to find that in the case of the more intelligent creatures, at least as we define intelligence, (dolphins, corvids in terms of birds, the higher primates, humans) there are usually some consistent elements, such as large brains, two legs, the ability to manipulate other objects, etc.

So it seems logical to me, that there are probably only a limited number of correct ways of doing something, so to speak.  If you want a creature that can exist in multiple different environmental types, can manipulate objects, and can achieve a high degree of technological ability, then bipedal motion with opposable thumbs is useful.  I can't see a creature necessarily having tentacles, if said tentacles are unlikely to have utility to it in its' environment.

Again, there might be ways of designing organisms that are infinitely more useful or biologically fit, than anything that I can comprehend; that is a given.  Yet in my observation, Nature also tends towards simplicity.  So if there's a pattern here on Earth which works, it again makes sense to me, that if there are other Earth-like planets elsewhere in space, (which again, based on what we know, seems plausible) then life on those planets has probably followed a similar anatomical pattern as well, simply because that is what works most effectively within that environment.

Again, you might have flying Cthulhumanoids or something in very non-Earth-like environments, but I'm only talking here, about ones which are similar to ours.

Quote from: Pimander on September 30, 2013, 04:02:08 PM
A few of you mentioned Channelling.

MK-ULTRA & COINTELPRO - Sinister Mind Control and New Age (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=1733.0)

I agree with you Eighthman that there is more than one solution to the riddle.  Solutions to include covert human tech, cover ups of nuclear accidents and a highly strange interdimensional thing.  Perhaps even the odd real ET.

However, the crux of this thread was that if we say that there are intelligent humanoids (including in ancient texts like Sinny said) and the sightings are in some cases real (partly or wholly flesh and blood not just visions), that they are common sightings relative to other types,  that they need no life support and can tolerate Earth atmosphere, temperatures and pressures and are familiar enough with humans to push their spiritual buttons (and even mate with them according to reports) then they are terrestrial or very near neighbours.  It stands to reason.

Or They genetically created Us with Their DNA...

I can suggest some answers.  The Aliens who visit us may be those that are consistent with our genes, atmosphere and so on.  Like the Tall Whites who stop by for visits.
There was also a claim that the Roswell aliens were "dolls" - bodies used remotely by distant aliens.

I think our misadventures with nuclear power should strongly suggest to our Alien buddies that we would be much better off with free energy than for us to keep using the awful crap we're stuck with.

Humanoids?  Humanoids aren't human, they would be similar to humans.  Not to be picky but I once had to work with a young woman in a media job who reported on TV that local police found "humanoid" remains when it was just some dead drifter in a field.  She really meant 'human'.

As to the lack of "The Day The Earth Stood Still",  we need to ask why is it in their interests to be so shy? Or not in their interests for us to panic? 

 :)

QuoteAs to the lack of "The Day The Earth Stood Still",  we need to ask why is it in their interests to be so shy? Or not in their interests for us to panic? 

Who will be the first to stand in the midst of the hornet's nest and flail their arms about?  :P

Quote from: Ellirium113 on October 01, 2013, 04:22:12 AM
:)

Who will be the first to stand in the midst of the hornet's nest and flail their arms about?  :P

I do this on a regular basis, so far...nothing.
;D

Quote from: Eighthman on October 01, 2013, 01:29:50 AM
As to the lack of "The Day The Earth Stood Still",  we need to ask why is it in their interests to be so shy? Or not in their interests for us to panic?

Simple... because they came in the 50's with good intentions and we showed them how "worthy" we were.

Missed that boat  we did ;)

Quote from: zorgon on October 01, 2013, 05:39:21 AM
Simple... because they came in the 50's with good intentions and we showed them how "worthy" we were.

Missed that boat  we did ;)

Yup. And the scuttlebutt has been for quite some time that the gubmint ran off the cowboys and made a pact with the indians...

Quote from: petrus4 on September 30, 2013, 08:10:51 PM
With respect, Pimander, you and I have had some divergence of opinion on this topic before.  Specifically, while I definitely agree that some channelled material is the product of covert operations, that does not necessarily mean that all of it is; and personally, I am not prepared to generalise to that extent.

An additional reason why I am not prepared to make that generalisation, is because of the extent to which I have found some channelled material to both be empowering, and conducive to a more effective understanding of the society in which I live.

I am uncertain as to why environmental or physiological similarity, is necessarily associated with a close point of origin to our own.  It certainly might be, of course; but I don't think it necessarily has to be.

Here on Earth, we have animals with a fairly large number of different forms of locomotion or movement; yet you tend to find that in the case of the more intelligent creatures, at least as we define intelligence, (dolphins, corvids in terms of birds, the higher primates, humans) there are usually some consistent elements, such as large brains, two legs, the ability to manipulate other objects, etc.

So it seems logical to me, that there are probably only a limited number of correct ways of doing something, so to speak.  If you want a creature that can exist in multiple different environmental types, can manipulate objects, and can achieve a high degree of technological ability, then bipedal motion with opposable thumbs is useful.  I can't see a creature necessarily having tentacles, if said tentacles are unlikely to have utility to it in its' environment.

Again, there might be ways of designing organisms that are infinitely more useful or biologically fit, than anything that I can comprehend; that is a given.  Yet in my observation, Nature also tends towards simplicity.  So if there's a pattern here on Earth which works, it again makes sense to me, that if there are other Earth-like planets elsewhere in space, (which again, based on what we know, seems plausible) then life on those planets has probably followed a similar anatomical pattern as well, simply because that is what works most effectively within that environment.

Again, you might have flying Cthulhumanoids or something in very non-Earth-like environments, but I'm only talking here, about ones which are similar to ours.

Gold.

Yes, with respect Pimander - Could you possibly stop being so patronising in regards to area's of study in alien communication  :P

As I've stated before, if one concludes aliens are here, one's next line of enquirey should be communication. Worrying about the CIA at every corner isn't going to get anyone anywhere - Doom Porn dosen't bother me, constant paranoia does...

I also agree with Petrus in regards to the Humaniod form - it is the most efficient method of intelligent creation, at least on our material plain.
Anyway - I'm sure the CIA weren't around to tamper with the book of Enoch etc  8)

Quote from: Sinny on October 01, 2013, 10:11:42 AM
Anyway - I'm sure the CIA weren't around to tamper with the book of Enoch etc  8)

CIA Bureau of Time Adjusters

Time Guardians... MIB's :D

Quote from: zorgon on October 01, 2013, 05:39:21 AM
Simple... because they came in the 50's with good intentions and we showed them how "worthy" we were.

That only shows that they are not good at public relations. :)

Quote from: Sinny on October 01, 2013, 10:11:42 AM
Yes, with respect Pimander - Could you possibly stop being so patronising in regards to area's of study in alien communication  :P

It isn't patronising it is my opinion.  That is a firm no. :P   :)

And who says I'm constantly worried about the CIA.  I'm also a massive advocate of NOT BUYING INTO DOOM PORN.

See http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=5397.msg73586#msg73586

I don't think you are familiar with my previous record based on your comments above.  I hate doom porn.  I do however, respect my own and others private data, including yours.  Call that paranoid if you like.  Some call it respect.  Don't forget that running a site has legal implications, not just personal ones :)

Quote from: petrus4 on September 30, 2013, 08:10:51 PM
With respect, Pimander, you and I have had some divergence of opinion on this topic before.  Specifically, while I definitely agree that some channelled material is the product of covert operations, that does not necessarily mean that all of it is; and personally, I am not prepared to generalise to that extent.

Agreed.  That does not invalidate my argument that Psy ops have influenced the "New Age" scene.  It also does not invalidate my argument that the channelling scene is ripe for manipulation by human OR any other entities.


If anyone wishes to discuss this then can we do so in my thread on the topic not here, please?  There is too much off topic material clouding what I was trying to start a debate on.

MK-ULTRA & COINTELPRO - Sinister Mind Control and New Age Spirituality
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=1733.0)

Quote from: petrus4 on September 30, 2013, 08:10:51 PMI am uncertain as to why environmental or physiological similarity, is necessarily associated with a close point of origin to our own.  It certainly might be, of course; but I don't think it necessarily has to be.

It doesn't but in this case there are other reasons why the evidence DOES NOT point to a point of origin away our own.  These beings also know our culture well enough to push our spiritual buttons.  They must be mighty familiar with us to do that.

There is a statistical link for example between visions of the Blessed Virgin Mary and UFO sightings.  Jacques Vale has talked about their links to belief systems too.  The so called ETs always have some spiritual message for us that rings true because they played a large part in our spiritual evolution, posing variously as God, Mary, Gabriel and the Gods of Egypt and ancient Sumer. They were here all along because this is their home.

Yes imaginative/educated speculation.  But it does make sense.

Ultimately the simplest explanation is the one to look at first.  That explanation is they are from here and are adapted to here and familiar with us and the environment BECAUSE THEY BELONG HERE.


Finally, if you think they are ET:  What evidence do you have to back up the claim?  Where are all the UFOs in space that aren't obviously plasma based life forms?

It doesn't but in this case there are other reasons why the evidence DOES NOT point to a point of origin away our own.  These beings also know our culture well enough to push our spiritual buttons.  They must be mighty familiar with us to do that.


pimander
on this point I will have to disagree with you.. strongly...I don't think/feel/believe that humans as a group need anyone else to push their religious buttons and I don't think that was the objective...

I feel that each sighting was a testing of a time to be able to communicate with the humans on the ground and that was the objective..
and each time the humans on the ground choose to interpret it as something it wasn't..
of course the religious angle was helped along by the few who could manipulate  the masses to thier own purposes.

if these beings are still trying to communicate they must be dismayed at our general stupidity into sheepleness...



edit to fix the speeling..

Sky, I have a number of specific examples of this "spiritual button pushing" by "aliens" on file but they deserve a thread of their own so I won't clutter this thread more at the minute.  All I will say is it does appear to be deliberate in a lot of instances.  Look at Dimensions by Jacques Vallee.  PM me if you don't have a copy.

On the other hand, I do completely agree with you where you say

QuoteI don't think/feel/believe that humans as a group need anyone else to push their religious buttons

I just think that they do get their buttons pushed.

Quote from: Pimander on October 01, 2013, 03:20:57 PM
If anyone wishes to discuss this then can we do so in my thread on the topic not here, please?  There is too much off topic material clouding what I was trying to start a debate on.

MK-ULTRA & COINTELPRO - Sinister Mind Control and New Age Spirituality
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=1733.0)

Why would we take this discussion to another thread when 'alien communication' is a huge part of the alien 'mis-direction'?

Quote from: sky otter on October 01, 2013, 03:34:55 PM

It doesn't but in this case there are other reasons why the evidence DOES NOT point to a point of origin away our own.  These beings also know our culture well enough to push our spiritual buttons.  They must be mighty familiar with us to do that.


pimander
on this point I will have to disagree with you.. strongly...I don't think/feel/believe that humans as a group need anyone else to push their religious buttons and I don't think that was the objective...

I feel that each sighting was a testing of a time to be able to communicate with the humans on the ground was that was the objective..
and each time the humans on the ground choose to interrupt it as something it wasn't..
of course the religious angle was helped along by the few who could manipulate  the masses to thier own purposes.

if these beings are still trying to communicate they must be dismayed at our general stupidity into sheepleness...

In reagrds to our religous buttons being pushed:

I've heard it stated many times that lower beings from the Astral planes like to push our buttons, quite often.

I was also listening to some Billy Meier contact tapes last night in which it were stated by Asket that there are regular looking humanoids on our planet that originate from Lyra (like most of our ancestors, supposedly), and as they are not quite as technically advanced as Pliedians (spelling?), they do like to manipulate our religions from here on Earth - this also opens the can of worms in regards to what we deem as ET and Terrestrial. The group in question knows that have their roots in the stars, but they are currently inhabiting this planet. (Also the group that dealt with Thule apparently).

..Forgot the third point, will add later.

Quote from: Pimander on October 01, 2013, 02:48:15 PM
It isn't patronising it is my opinion.  That is a firm no. :P   :)

And who says I'm constantly worried about the CIA.  I'm also a massive advocate of NOT BUYING INTO DOOM PORN.

See http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=5397.msg73586#msg73586

I don't think you are familiar with my previous record based on your comments above.  I hate doom porn.  I do however, respect my own and others private data, including yours.  Call that paranoid if you like.  Some call it respect.  Don't forget that running a site has legal implications, not just personal ones :)

No misunderstandings here - I know you hate doom porn.
Which from my point of view is just a wasted emotion, as the world set on its current projection is most certainly doomed! Lol

I'm just highlighting that many of us here (if not all) are well versed in frauds and psy-op's, certainly in regards to Channels etc.
At least allow us to discuss what we believe to be genuine without harping on about disinfo - I personally find it patronising :)

Although your care and concern is appreciated.

Quote from: Sinny on October 01, 2013, 04:44:19 PM
Why would we take this discussion to another thread when 'alien communication' is a huge part of the alien 'mis-direction'?

Because I spent enormous amounts of time gathering information on what you are disputing and put it in that thread?  It seems pointless having to repeat what was discussed there.  I also suspect that people will chip in without reading the facts if they ignore that thread.

I'm not saying you aren't allowed to talk about it in this thread.  I just hoped for contributions there as there was a long discussion and we are just going over the same ground again.  In particular, if you have something new for that thread I'd appreciate it as it is a topic I have been looking into for years now. :)

P.S.  I trimmed your quote of me.  When quoting a long post it makes it more readable and saves space to trim it to the bit you are responding to.


ETA:  Your comments about the lower astral might well be important regarding so called ET and the manipulation of human consciousness etc.  I think there might be the possibility of a "high strangeness" type board so all of us can look at related material under the microscope.

Pim ..
i am going off topic here.. so either close your eyes or poof it off the thread.. i'm good with either.. ;D

first i hafta say reading others opinion is interesting and enlightening and helpful

then i have to go in the other direction and say that no i have not read
Dimensions by Jacques Vallee or much else 

and this is where i step away from most of your discussion on it
what i have as my opinion pretty much comes from my life and experiences rather than someone elses in a book somewhere..
please do not misunderstand... i think those are good things..it is just that years ago i found mysef being influenced in my learning by other's thought.. and i am of such a nature that i preferred to figure it out on my own...
i think i stopped reading and started thinking shortly after reading the ra material in the 80's..
i read everything i could get my hands on when younger and gobbled up all i could
you know pre internet stuff..lol
but then i decided to step away and just ask questions of the universe and see what i got back

so anything i have to say i can't reference to any body but me.. i have condensed and watered down all that i read long ago and so i can't argue anyone elses ideas anymore..

ok.. just felt i needed to explain that

thanks for letting me....group hug.. you guys are really good humans
;D 8)

Ahhh understood and fair enough, although there is no denying the to subjects are intertwined..

I wondered how the post appeared the way I wanted it to without me having done anything! Lol

I've just left a busy bus on Blackberry so I quoted and posted hastily!

Glad to see someone else is on board with the Lower Astral hypothesis - that subject will certainly need ventured into also!

Cheers Pim!

Sky,  I hear you regarding working it out for yourself.  I mentioned Vallee's Dimensions specifically because it is a casebook (unless I'm mixing it up with another Vallee book) containing many specific contactee type experiences that you could interpret as "pushing spiritual buttons".  I thought with it being direct experiences rather than opinion you might find it interesting but you can't win 'em all.

Sinny,  My attempts at being succinct can easily come across as terse and patronising.  It isn't the intention but every style has its draw backs.

All good Pim.

There's only so much perception/interpretation gained from text alone - as humans we do rely on body language, eye contact and intuition.
Sorry to de-rail this thread further.

;) you can't win 'em all

;D..no you can't.. but it's on the list to check out next book store trip..
got another one that seeker recommended .. so guess i outta go soon 8)

Quote from: Pimander on September 26, 2013, 05:55:53 PM

In particular, any types of sighting that are more common are in my opinion not likely to be from other star systems or planets.  If there really are saucers, USOs and similar spotted regularly by pilots then there is little reason to assume they are extraterrestrial.  If they are common then they are likely crypto-terrestrial (interdimensional is closely related IMO) with underground, underwater or both the origin.

Hey mate, great thread and as Gordon Creighton mentions in this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATtS12Owesw) interview - 'unquestionably something is going on and unquestionably it's a very bewildering mystery'.  :)

Speculation about UFO origin really is a fascinating subject and I've always been pretty fond of the CTH although maybe the ETH and EDH play a role as well (as well as other factors we may not of thought of yet). I don't know if you've seen it but the late Mac Tonnies gives a good interview below about the various hypotheses and also brings up how the truth may be a 'myriad of overlapping explanations', Doc Hynek also makes some very interesting comments here (http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=XXVQAAAAIBAJ&sjid=2REEAAAAIBAJ&pg=5791,2618836) about the possibility of UFOs being 'a manifestation of an interlocking universe' and also mentions how the ETH would be like Earth experiencing 'a dozen Apollo missions every afternoon' - I really don't know what to think but I'm pretty sure some of the objects involved in specific UFO cases aren't us.

Quotehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdorICXDTKI

Author, blogger and Fortean researcher Mac Tonnies argued that the ET hypothesis (that aliens are visiting our world from other star systems) is somewhat of an outmoded concept, and the truth may be stranger than we can imagine, involving a myriad of overlapping explanations. The notion of parallel worlds has gained credence in the scientific world, and the aliens could represent a kind of symbiosis with beings from another dimension, he noted.

Cheers.

Quote from: Sinny on October 01, 2013, 04:52:34 PM
In reagrds to our religous buttons being pushed:

I've heard it stated many times that lower beings from the Astral planes like to push our buttons, quite often.

I was also listening to some Billy Meier contact tapes last night in which it were stated by Asket that there are regular looking humanoids...

Asket?  :o

You mean the Dean Martin girl?   ::)


Check her out in the Contactee section.

Quote from: A51Watcher on October 03, 2013, 03:16:07 AM

Asket?  :o

You mean the Dean Martin girl?   ::)


Check her out in the Contactee section.

Billy said the photo's were switched. You can take his word or leave it........................ ??


ETA: I believe I got Asket confused with Semjase anyway.

Quote from: Sinny on October 03, 2013, 01:30:27 PM
Billy said the photo's were switched. You can take his word or leave it........................ ??

What even the picture of a Dinosaur he published in one of his books that turned out to be a photograph of a children's book? (Or was that Adamski, I lost track?)

Quote from: Pimander on October 03, 2013, 06:13:19 PM
What even the picture of a Dinosaur he published in one of his books that turned out to be a photograph of a children's book? (Or was that Adamski, I lost track?)

No that was Billy also- me and John already commented on these somewhere here -
We think there's a further conspiracy - I'll re-cap as soon as I'm willing to dedicate the time.

Karl, Thanks for reminding me of one of my favourite interviews.  I just love the way Creighton is pretending he has just been looking through his library in scholarly fashion.  In case any members haven't seen it Gordon pretty much goes over a lot of relevant material.

Gordon used to be the editor of an important early UFO periodical called "The Flying Saucer Review" and translated a lot of foreign reports to English (I think he was a British intelligence translator on the side ;) ).  If you are genuinely interested in this topic please spend ten minutes watching this. Here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATtS12Owesw

Anyone who doesn't love guys like Gordon have something missing. :P

Hynek echoes one of my points in that article too.  When referring to the sheer volume of UFO reports:

QuoteBut he would be happier [with the ETH] if there was one sighting every hundred years.  This way, he said, "it's like a dozen Apollo missions every afternoon."

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=XXVQAAAAIBAJ&sjid=2REEAAAAIBAJ&pg=5791,2618836

It looks like I'm in good company when I say that the sightings are too common for a simple, "it must be extraterrestrials," explanation.

Very relevant contribution Karl, as always.  :)

Quote from: Sinny on October 03, 2013, 01:30:27 PM
Billy said the photo's were switched. You can take his word or leave it........................ ??


ETA: I believe I got Asket confused with Semjase anyway.

re: the picture of asket and the dinosour

That might be possible for some pictures, however we have video of Billy himself showing us the dinosaur and Asket photo telling us they were real and how and when they were taken.

So Billy can't even recognize his own photos?

Quote from: A51Watcher on October 03, 2013, 11:42:10 PM

re: the picture of asket and the dinosour

That might be possible for some pictures, however we have video of Billy himself showing us the dinosaur and Asket photo telling us they were real and how and when they were taken.

So Billy can't even recognize his own photos?

I'm sugegsting he shared fake photo's on purpose  :P

Quote from: Sinny on October 04, 2013, 02:46:38 PM
I'm sugegsting he shared fake photo's on purpose  :P

I have never found any of his work that will pass any Deuem test. He has his world, I have mine.

Thanks for the vids, Karl, and Pim. Karl, I'm going to try to find the Noory Interview on C2C and download yours to a player. 

Pimander: Cover ups exist and the ET hypothesis has been useful for that purpose. Whether intentionally or otherwise, it has kept people busy and blind to the fact that other intelligent beings co-esit here with us,  beings which seem to come and go at will and in some instances influence how we see realtiy. For the purposes of this discussion, what do we call them?

rose

Just wanted to chime in say thanks to Pim for that old Beebs interview with Gordon Creighton !

Anyone know what sorta craft he saw in 1941 whislt he was in China ?

Quote from: Somamech on October 04, 2013, 06:03:51 PM
Just wanted to chime in say thanks to Pim for that old Beebs interview with Gordon Creighton

Karl posted a link to it before me.  I just embedded it as I guessed a lot of people would not have noticed it.  I also love that interview and wanted to make sure as many of you as possible see it.

Glad you enjoyed it BTW. :)

Ahh thanks Karl.   ;)

I'm not around here enough to absorb it all in  :(

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One thing though regarding the misdirection part of this thread that I do ponder a lot is how come so many people have seen this and that and have amazing personal experience's yet we still live in this fishbowl so to speak ?   

Although I have many an idea as to why this is so, and a theory or two which may or not be totally awesome/insane  ;D

I still find it fascinating that it seem's other's can freely look in to some degree, and for the most part we can only look out.  The cheque's don't seem to balance :D

Quote from: rose on October 04, 2013, 05:09:45 PM
Pimander: Cover ups exist and the ET hypothesis has been useful for that purpose. Whether intentionally or otherwise, it has kept people busy and blind to the fact that other intelligent beings co-esit here with us,  beings which seem to come and go at will and in some instances influence how we see realtiy. For the purposes of this discussion, what do we call them?

I like that question because in my opinion it has been these beings calling the shots as to who we think they are.  Maybe it is high time we nailed down something to call them that isn't loaded with preconceptions?

I can't think of anything that isn't loaded with preconceptions now I put my mind to it. LOL  :o

Quote from: Pimander on October 03, 2013, 06:54:37 PM
Karl, Thanks for reminding me of one of my favourite interviews.  I just love the way Creighton is pretending he has just been looking through his library in scholarly fashion.  In case any members haven't seen it Gordon pretty much goes over a lot of relevant material.

Gordon used to be the editor of an important early UFO periodical called "The Flying Saucer Review" and translated a lot of foreign reports to English (I think he was a British intelligence translator on the side ;) ).  If you are genuinely interested in this topic please spend ten minutes watching this. Here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATtS12Owesw

Anyone who doesn't love guys like Gordon have something missing. :P

Hynek echoes one of my points in that article too.  When referring to the sheer volume of UFO reports:http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=XXVQAAAAIBAJ&sjid=2REEAAAAIBAJ&pg=5791,2618836

It looks like I'm in good company when I say that the sightings are too common for a simple, "it must be extraterrestrials," explanation.

Very relevant contribution Karl, as always.  :)

Hey I was able to watch this vid and I would think he is a gold mind of information. Hr knows a lot more than he said. That seems for sure.

Quote from: Pimander on October 01, 2013, 03:20:57 PM
Ultimately the simplest explanation is the one to look at first.  That explanation is they are from here and are adapted to here and familiar with us and the environment BECAUSE THEY BELONG HERE.

I agree with this.

QuoteFinally, if you think they are ET:  What evidence do you have to back up the claim?  Where are all the UFOs in space that aren't obviously plasma based life forms?

My own experience does not lead me to believe in corporeal extraterrestrials, personally.  Generally speaking, when someone else says aliens now, I think spirits.  Again, this is not only due to my own experiences, but I think it also helps to explain how it is that they can potentially still exist, while simultaneously not leaving physical evidence; it's because they aren't primarily physical.

Bashar and a number of other channelled sources, are consistent on presenting a scenario of linear evolution, which progresses from solidly corporeal, (first to third density) to partially acorporeal, (fourth density) to completely acorporeal.  (Fifth to seventh densities)

We are currently within third density, on the threshold point of transitioning into fourth.  The implication further is, that the extraterrestrials visiting us, generally speaking are not from any density lower than fourth.  4D beings do not exist in complete physicality, and even what they think of as baseline is not visible to us, within our normal (beta brainwave) perceptual state.

This is also how I'm able to integrate my drug experiences into my overall belief system, as well.  It all fits together.  Basically, psychedelics allow people to perceive 4D, and to a lesser extent 5D.  This is also why, as well as some just random "stuff," people tripping occasionally do see consistent, or reproducible places or things.  It's because some of what they are seeing, actually has persistent or objective existence somewhere; it's not purely just "in their heads."

While there is a great deal of misdirection on-going in the ET world, it should be considered that much of this is in face misdirection. And that should extend to the Extra-dimensionals.

The whole idea of extra-dimensional being to me is, for the most part, viewed as ludicrous. When One begins to understand the dynamics of what is required for FTL, One begins to understand that normal 4 dimensional space no longer works, and we have to go searching for a new "space model". Such as "Heim Space" with its 8 dimensions that allow us to do things we could not otherwise do. Such as FTL, without ever exceeding the speed of light. Once this is understood on a "base level" it becomes east to understand where all the other BS comes from; the describing of these effects and processes in a manner consistent with relativistic physics, provides reading not unlike science fiction, and it becomes real fiction simply because these effects and processes cannot exist in relativistic space/physics.

Although, all that being said; there are other ways, I think, we can begin to verify the existence of local Extraterrestrials. Street myth, as I call it, the baseline "stories" that are told and retold about ET, and where he is from. If we pay attention we can start to see something that I think is a bit remarkable.

Most of our pantheon of extraterrestrial actually have real worlds to "be from". By that I mean that the stars that are supposed to support their civilization are actually real stars with the appropriate properties to support life as it is known on Earth, complete with the level of technology purported.

Take the Grays from Zeta Reticuli: their home star is a "G2" about 3 billion years old. Not unlike Sol; Sol is a "G2" 4.7 billion years old. The two systems are very much alike. All of the others, with a few exceptions are like this. Oh, one of the best parts; the Betty Hill star map...With the exception of a couple of stars...highly accurate...that's a total of 13 stars, that manage to be the right class, luminosity, and age to support "Human like" inhabitants with a technology like or exceeding Earth.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0QCKJNLA7c

When this video opens you will see my "Drake like equation", I think this is important to understanding the "ETH".

You will also notice that there are a few species of ET, that quite simply can not exist...yet. I guess nobody ever said that "myth" was all true :)  Though there are those who will argue for the existence of "Vegans" (people from the star Vega", or arcturans...

Ahh ANTHRA gold for when you pop in and post  :)

The thing is now we actually have people like Michael Aquino (major?)
and col John Alexander actually writing books that imply YES "we have basically been drugging folk/using electromagnetic fields/secret technology/dressing up as grays and abducting members of the public as far back as the Betty and barny hill case ( May be fact ) in the guise of aliens  for some government agenda to keep you guessing at the truth"
Well pretty much the above if you read between the lines IMO

Even if they do both contradict each other they defiantly have a hand In muddying the waters.
Not that I don't believe in the ETH. It's just very very complicated.

I'm not at all surprised that there are type like Mr. Aquino contributing to the basic lie. As I was doing my research for this paper (you can see the whole "paper" at http://alien.wolfmagick.com/documents/extraterrestrials.aspx (http://alien.wolfmagick.com/documents/extraterrestrials.aspx) It is a bit more in depth.) I began to discover that much of what we have "learned" about the four groups is mostly a big lie. Though, I do have to confess, it took me a while to "get" the idea that yall were being lied to. It seems that what Terrestrials "know" about ET, very much "contradicts" what I have learned, And, what I have learned seems "more logical". This paper, by the way, has become an "overview" and there will be at least 4, perhaps 5 more installments. The next is the Reticuli Grays.

All this does seem to support my "general theory", in that most of this "ET Lore" seems to support my theory of colonization attempt, failure, survivors going underground, and running Earth from the safety of their lair. People like Aquino can only support this idea, with the kinds of actions they display.

Yep the whole "mess" is quite complicated...by design.

Oh WOW I love the look of your site.
Why has it never been linked? Or has it?
I am going to spend some time in there anthra.
Very cool ;)

Anthra, could you summarise in a couple of paragraphs what the key credible evidence is that "The Greys" or "Zeta Reticulans" are ETs.  I know channellers have said they are from there.  Other than that, what is the key evidence?

And by the way, if I say I'm from Timbuktu but that is not credible evidence that I am.  I could be lying obviously.

Pimander, I too have lost faith in the whole ET topic, I now more than ever view it for entertainment purpose. Sigh....anthra I like the topic I really do I always will but the evidence? Not a hit back at yourself! as I'm interested but all the BS artists! I'm sick of them.
How can anyone openly say there are such and such number/type of alien even visiting earth let alone inhabiting it.
The hard facts are lacking. But we do know there has been a massive infiltration by a group of earthly folk who have steered the whole UFO/ET topic and used it to great effect.
To do what? A number of things but least likely is one of them hiding the fact that aliens are with us and communicating through mass contact.
Like I say I don't rule ET out I just see the misdirection at play.

Maybe I'm wrong, who knows? But there are far too many GREERS and SNYDERS and POPE's out there milking the topic like the cash cow it is ( mutilation?? Aliens?? NO, again humans ) simple tests for CYD mad cow disease or radiation monitoring. Logic 1st.

Quote from: stealthyaroura on October 18, 2013, 02:03:36 AM
Like I say I don't rule ET out I just see the misdirection at play.

I don't rule it out either.  I just have serious doubts about the evidence - or lack of it.  I want some evidence to get my teeth into rather that the erroneous idea that a contact with what seems to be intelligence is automatically likely ET or that a craft that isn't human must be ET.  We don't know that in my opinion no matter how likely it is that ET has physically visited Earth.

If ET has visited, I seriously doubt it is hundreds of times a day every day for 50 years and likely more.  If it is not that often, then what is taken as evidence is evidence of something else.

QuoteMaybe I'm wrong, who knows? But there are far too many GREERS and SNYDERS and POPE's out there milking the topic like the cash cow it is ( mutilation?? Aliens?? NO, again humans ) simple tests for CYD mad cow disease or radiation monitoring. Logic 1st.

That's part of the problem.  On the one hand you have people making a nice living out of the idiots, on the other you have the idiots making the good researchers run a mile.  There is a body of evidence that needs looking at but not by idiots or by greedy bastards.

And who are the biggest idiots?  The ones who listen to other idiots and greedy bastards but ignore intelligent and considered research because at the end of the day the what that research shows does not fit in with their world view.  Sad but true.

Quote from: Pimander on October 18, 2013, 12:51:54 AM
Anthra, could you summarise in a couple of paragraphs what the key credible evidence is that "The Greys" or "Zeta Reticulans" are ETs.  I know channellers have said they are from there.  Other than that, what is the key evidence?

And by the way, if I say I'm from Timbuktu but that is not credible evidence that I am.  I could be lying obviously.

Sure: Betty and Barney Hill. More specifically their "map".

Their map consisted of 13 stars and Sol, at least the "named ones". I built a 3D model of the "system", wanted to "see" for myself. With the exception of 2 -4 or so misplaced stars, the published "diagrams" are accurate...when Zeta Reticuli IS NOT viewed from Earth. I haven't calculated the position of the camera yet, but it is going to me many light years out.

That combined with the fact the Zeta Reticuli 2 is a class "G2" star, approximately 3 billion years old, add in common myth and you have a rather high probability that the "Short Grays" are from Zeta Reticuli.

By the way; if you say you are from Timbuktu, that data is sufficiently credible for use until better data is acquired...at least if you "look" like you might be from Timbuktu. In the case of the Short Grays; their "skin color" seems to not be too different than Cetaceous life forms here on earth.

While I apologise if this is irrelevant to the topic at hand, I want to say that I really am very glad that you ended up joining us here at Pegasus, Anthra.  I found my brief exposure to one of your threads on ATS fascinating, and wished for some time that we had been able to have much more elaborate contact.

Well Garsh, I'm not sure what ta say  :)
Ats was an educational experience, to say the least, but ultimately I think it was god. Even if I never got to properly discuss the stuff I "spout". Anyway, thanks! any time yall want to discuss any of that stuff, I'm very willing, as long as it remains civil (I had to say that, but I don't see any civility issues here)

Sorry Zorgon, this have been quite off topic; sometime ya just gotta go with what ya got, and this sort of made me "feel good" this morning  :)

Quotewhat that research shows does not fit in with their world view.

Pim,

I think, in order to gain understanding of what's going on behind the scenes and (sometimes) in front of our eyes, we all have to do some worldview shifting.  No matter what the reason for all the (ridiculous) ET disinformation, the truth is that people's experiences with Weird pop up all over the 'reality map" and make meaningful research quite difficult.

To me, the reality seems to be that other realities co-exist with ours and sometimes they leak over into our sight.  We assign some classification to that observation and focus on researching it to the exclusion of all the other wierdness events , simply because we can't imagine a worldview large enough to make them all possible. The reported events certainly aren't rational, nor even significant. What meaning has a ball bearing appearing in midair between two people or a teleporting cat? I don't know we might even begin to slice and dice such randomness.

rose

Anthra your obviously very passionate about the subject matter and the work you have done is impressive.
I guess it comes down to our own willingness to look at every possibility there is even if it does not fit with our version of " truth " The whole high strangeness topic is one that I enjoy immersing myself in from time to time so any work presented to me I will have a look see.

I have to say I love your commitment, I look forward to getting through your material after all if your investigating this topic like I have been for ever you have to have all the angles coverd ( even the whacky stuff LOL )
As for bad vibes? NOT IN THIS FORUM BUDDY that's why we love it here.
The passion the debate the info it's all good ;)

Quote from: deuem on October 04, 2013, 02:54:26 PM

I have never found any of his work that will pass any Deuem test. He has his world, I have mine.

Bit late in catching up with this one - however this is a perfect hypothesis for this thread.

His material items of evidence were and are worthless - complete mis-direction.

However, the truth lie's within the WORD produced. Truth emanates from those extensively persevering, detailed contact notes.

These two statements above I whole heatedly believe to be true.

One must then ask - why the glaring and OPEN contradiction?

(by open I mean purposely  ::) )

Oh whilst I'm here, I grabbed this from ATS about an hour ago:
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread977308/pg1

I'll save you 5 pages of reading - click here:
http://wolfmagick.com/documents/Return%20of%20the%20gods.pdf

Originated from these people:
http://www.the-starpeople.net/indexus.html#home?

I'll tell you why I don't like it; I've only skimmed the thread and skimmed the doc and webpage, however off the top of my head:

*Star Seed? How original  ::)
*The irrelevant images, format and captions are leading and suggestive.
*Alfred openly states he only had his eye's opened in 2011 - that's a short time to be developing these skills...
*The communication is presented as though the aliens had an important message for us - and yet Albert leads a tentative and almost submissive sort of interview..If a message is urgent, it's urgent - this clearly was not.
*Very brief and half hearted transcript - leaving much room for misinterpretation and little study.
*The answers provided within are neither clear nor of higher comprehension - just simple and vague.
*At one point half way through Alfred says "hold one,  that's a goodun, I need to write that down" - how exactly is this communication occurring, and who on Earth is transcribing?!
*Offered a precise timeline of events. Always a no-no.

I could probably raise more points - but that will suffice. Seems like a lot of New Age mumbo Jumbo to me, with shreds of truth, as always, stretched to further an agenda. One thing some of the sources I have subscribed to would never provide 'time lines', because possibilities/probabilities change all the time. They would also answer your questions directly and clearly. Outlets of misdirection even no longer be profitable private enterprise, these days, the motivation lie's in that of the United Nations  - they'll fund all this crap; and if these people are communing with someone/thing it not be of the light.

I favor the scenario offered in The Terra Papers.  The Orions are "reptilian," the Sirians are lupinoid or caninoid...  And there IS an alliance between Them.

I have nothing but the work of Robert Morning Sky, but when I read the Papers, things here on this planet just suddenly made SO much sense.

H

Quoteis material items of evidence were and are worthless - complete mis-direction.

Sinny,  Interesting discussions these days. Seems like lots of souls are wandering between dark and light

I used to place great stock in documents, but as I have becomemore aware of the philosophy propounded by WWII spymaster William Stephenson that "nothing succeeds like a document," I now tend to be of two minds about everything. :-\

rose

Quote from: Amaterasu on October 19, 2013, 03:00:54 AM
I favor the scenario offered in The Terra Papers.  The Orions are "reptilian," the Sirians are lupinoid or caninoid...  And there IS an alliance between Them.

Although I'm aware that there is an STS or negatively polarised faction of the Sirians, I have reason to believe that they are not all bad, Amy.  My own observation strongly suggests that the Na'vi of Avatar were in fact modelled on the positive Sirian faction.

Quote from: stealthyaroura on October 18, 2013, 07:58:45 PM
I have to say I love your commitment, I look forward to getting through your material after all if your investigating this topic like I have been for ever you have to have all the angles coverd ( even the whacky stuff LOL )
As for bad vibes? NOT IN THIS FORUM BUDDY that's why we love it here.
The passion the debate the info it's all good ;)

When I started this I just wanted to show that ET "was" there , and could in fact be visiting Earth. Then I could begin to compute the probability of ET actually being on Earth.


As I investigated I found that nearly all of the "mythical" aliens actually has home stars that could support the kind of being they are purported to be.


It seemed reasonable at the time that "if" myth was indeed "myth" that there should be avery low "hit" rate on the "approriate" star thing.


So far only three have "missed".


This leaves us with light and dark "Human" types; Sirius.

"Tall Whites"; Perhaps Capella (A "G8" star)

Short Grays: Zeta Reticuli; not too different than Sol, but a bit younger.

Procyon: Short "Dwarf" like humanoid (F5 star)

"Tall Grays": Gamma Leporis a "F6" star

This list goes on. In my video I showed my "Drake" like equation; it estimated 10.5 species visiting Earth right now. I think that estimate is somewhat low.


I'm not sure if I knew what to expect, but the whole thing got rather complex in a hurre. By the time I finished the over view, I recognized it was only an over view, and I have ore parts to do.

Quote from: petrus4 on October 19, 2013, 03:00:23 PM
Although I'm aware that there is an STS or negatively polarised faction of the Sirians, I have reason to believe that they are not all bad, Amy.  My own observation strongly suggests that the Na'vi of Avatar were in fact modelled on the positive Sirian faction.

Oh, most assuredly, the Sirians have many "good guys."  According to The Terra Papers, Ea and An-En (Enki and Enlil, which are titles) were Sirian.  Ea is the actual creator of Humans with His Orionese "sister," Ninhursag.  He championed Humanity while His brother, An-En, hated Us.

Quote from: Amaterasu on October 19, 2013, 03:00:54 AM
I favor the scenario offered in The Terra Papers.  The Orions are "reptilian," the Sirians are lupinoid or caninoid...  And there IS an alliance between Them.

I have nothing but the work of Robert Morning Sky, but when I read the Papers, things here on this planet just suddenly made SO much sense.

The Sirians have always seemed more like Human to me, very unlike a Terrestrial "Lupine" (Wolf).

It is my understanding that Orion Grays are amphibous base, so there is the Reptile.

That could be about the Orionese - Morning Sky did not say amphibious; He said "reptilian..."  But who knows?

As for the Sirians...  The dog/wolf is said to express in hairier bodies than, say, a reptilian, and strong loyalty ties.  Otherwise, We were created in Their image, so...  Yeah.  They would look like Us and We Them.

What about the plant like chlorophyll absed aliens?  ;D

QuoteThis list goes on. In my video I showed my "Drake" like equation; it estimated 10.5 species visiting Earth right now. I think that estimate is somewhat low.

According to Clifford Stone this would be a gross miscalculation... He has catalogued over 57 species he claims.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcDSl0LaFLI

So did 57 different types of aliens just decide this is the vacation spot of the universe? Surely we are NOT THAT FASCINATING?  :o  :P

Thats not what Spock reckons ;D



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Quote from: Elvis Hendrix on October 21, 2013, 03:17:32 PM
Thats not what Spock reckons ;D



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That doesn't count...look what he's smoking!  ;)  ;D

Yeah, I've seen that list of 57 species...many aren't even "supposed" to be ET...lke Sasquach.


Then there's "blacks", "whites", and colors inbetween...kind of like Earth. So they aren't the same species?


If you take that list of 57, and remove the BS you end up with about 10, any extra; like "Vegans", "Arcturans", "Plieadeans" I can show probably do not really exist (typically from a star that is far too young).


Interestingly, within 50 ly there are ample G, F, A class stars to provide many species, not all space faring.


I respect the work, but, there are simply inconsistancies with reality.

Regarding clifford stones "57 different types of alien" fact yeah.

I always took that to be a joke as in the HEINZ soup 57 varieties LOL.
I'm pretty sure he's taking the pi$$

Have you actually read that list?

It is full of duplicates, terrestrial creatures, Sify, and about the same number of actual Extraterrestrials as my list. And Stone's list of actual ETs is very nearly the same list as mine, he however, has a few species that simply can't exist.

Like lyrans; lyra isn't a star, its a constellation. The Star typically named in lyra is the star "Vega". Vega is a G class star, not unlike Sol in many respects, One would think a nice star to have for a home. Unfortunately Vega is about 500 million years old; not old enough to have evolved intelligent life. Or one of the others like "Arcturus" It is an old star, so old it is dying, like Aldebaran. There may have been advanced life at one time, but, IF they achieved space travel, they likely left very long ago; perhaps ancient Terrestrial "cave men" knew them, as they searched for a new home, or perhaps they have ascended. Stone refers to both of these non existent species.

But, its not like there aren't enough stars, there are plenty of the right class and age to support nearly any number of extraterrestrial. However, there is absolutely no accounting for the development and evolution of individual planetary systems. Earth has take 4.5 billion years, Zeta Reticuli only about 3 billion. There are also "mystery" stars; older stars of appropriate class, with no apparent life. (there are a couple of these near by).

I think we need to remember that Stone's list is characterized as a list of "aliens" as differentiated from Extraterrestrials. And, ET need not be very "alien".

I do contemplate the idea that, in this infinite universe, "evolution" is not a linear thing.  Just because it took X years on THIS planet for intelligent life to evolve, does not follow that in EVERY case it takes about the same length of time.

For example, it could have been that conditions were just right, and happenstance also perfect such that an intelligent race evolved in 1/10th the time.  Asserting that "not enough time has passed" when the specifics of any planet are unknown seems...presumptuous?

Just sayin'.

Quote from: Amaterasu on October 22, 2013, 05:06:50 PM
I do contemplate the idea that, in this infinite universe, "evolution" is not a linear thing.  Just because it took X years on THIS planet for intelligent life to evolve, does not follow that in EVERY case it takes about the same length of time.

For example, it could have been that conditions were just right, and happenstance also perfect such that an intelligent race evolved in 1/10th the time.  Asserting that "not enough time has passed" when the specifics of any planet are unknown seems...presumptuous?

Just sayin'.

Yeah, it does, doesn't it? But, you need to understand that there are very specific natural forces at play here. They follow their own, rather specific rules. This results in a process that while not truly "standard" can be viewed as "standard" for practical purposes.

In other words, all stars, and their planets are formed by the same rather specific mechanisms; these various instances all follow the same rather specific rules.

In the case of these young stars; the bombardment of the planetary surface IS going to continue for several hundred million years after star and planet formation, How long depends on the accretion disk, size of the rocks, and a lot of factors. But, something we can count on is that the planet is going to be bombarded for its entire life time. How long it actually takes to become habitable after formation is of course, widely variable.

Also, consider; Earth is 4.5 billion years old, Zeta Reticuli is about 3 billion years; both have life forms at about the same stage of evolution. Earth, I originally thought should be "typical"; I now think Earth has been "held back". First by the local stellar environment...Earth suffered any "setbacks" in 4.5 billion years. Humans have been held back at least 1000 years. Zeta Reticuli, I think is rather young for the level of evolution its life has.

So, as you say; evolution is not a linear thing. But, we can still apply Bayesian inference and probability and find the "range" within which all this operates. Thus making it possible to apply such logic and determine, within logical limits, what a star's life forms may be.

And there are other "rules" as well...like "all complex sentient space-faring species are evolving toward Human. (yes I know how bold that statement is...you will find it is true). All space-faring species are their home world's apex predator.

I follow the logic, and say that overall, this is a good rule of thumb, but it seems virtually anything is possible in this wide, wide universe, and I would not fully rule out the possibility that circumstances and happenstances aligned just so to bring forth an intelligent species in "record" time.

Yes, well that's where I start; develop a "rule of thumb" and apply it, modify as necessary. Its never perfect, but, a good starting point is always helpful.

For clarity, I do not believe that that all contact experiences are pure hallucination.  On the other hand, I do not buy that they are what they are popularly believed to be.  There is to my knowledge nothing even resembling good evidence that "abductions" and similar contact experiences have anything to do with extraterrestrials.

Channelling is as old as the wind.  I do think it is a real contact with "intelligence" of some description.  That is very different to the intelligence being literally a "space brother" here to save us after a detour from the Pleiades.

Quote from: Anthra on October 18, 2013, 04:59:38 AM
Sure: Betty and Barney Hill. More specifically their "map".

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Hill's map

Sorry to say it, but the above sketch is not credible evidence that "The Greys" are actual extraterrestrials from Zeta Reticuli.  I won't get deeply into a debate about whether that sketch is credible evidence based on the Fish interpretation.  Why?

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It is a view from a point in space (not here).  It could easily be obtained in a "dream" by a technique widely known on this site.  Remote viewing.

Even if you accept that the Hill's map is really a map drawn from some point in space, it can mean many things.  Knowledge can be obtained in many ways.  If you believe in Psi and certain noetic phenomena then you should know that already.  That is the danger with interpreting according to a pre-conceived notion.

Don't know how they built the pyramids?  Aliens.

Don't know how humans evolved?  Aliens.  (Or could it be the aquatic ape?)

See at least 30 saucers a day in 1947?  Aliens.

Don't understand something.  It's aliens.  EVERY TIME!

When you start to discuss 30 or 40 races of alien and produce virtually no credible evidence that they exist, you make UFOlogists look like a bunch of idiots.  Well I'm not an idiot.  That may make me unpopular with certain folk.  That is absolutely fine with me.  It's a small price to pay.

QuoteThat combined with the fact the Zeta Reticuli 2 is a class "G2" star, approximately 3 billion years old, add in common myth and you have a rather high probability that the "Short Grays" are from Zeta Reticuli.

Pardon?  There are millions - no billions - of stars of every class in the Galaxy.  There are thousands of myths about many stars.  There are in fact far more myths about Sirius, the Plaiades, Orions stars, Polaris and the planets.  Why?  Because those objects are the most remarkable things you can see in the sky apart from the Sun and Moon. 

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QuoteBy the way; if you say you are from Timbuktu, that data is sufficiently credible for use until better data is acquired...at least if you "look" like you might be from Timbuktu.

Except I could also be from Nottingham.  Or Scotland.  Both are more accurate.

I can also prove I actually exist.  I can give a blood sample,  a photograph of me and even shake your hand.  Find me 30 or 40 extraterrestrial races who can do that!

Ouiji board Operator:  "Is there anybody there".....

Turns out the spirit claims to be Adolf Hitler.  What do you think.  Credible or....

They say they are an alien from the Pleaides?  Credible or....



I think that ultimately, the ET hypothesis is a reasonable one but is an incomplete explanation for the variety of experienced phenomena.  I also think that certain UFO cases could well indicate ETs.  The answer to the UFO mystery is Not UFOs are piloted by ETs.  Most - including most of the "unexplained" cases - are not.

Same goes for a number of phenomena that appear to be more likely something symbiotic with human consciousness.  Abduction and channelling seem to be related to this.

Talking about 30 or 40 species and detailing their physical characteristics and relations with humans and even their politics is fanciful BS.

This is why I have a Hard time with material like "The Terra papers" whilst it's a very creative piece of work, as well as seeming a logical theory, it's also the most illogical  ::)
Forget the lack of physical evidence and the scientific facts (we're being lied to you say?)
it's far too simple an explanation.

Now whether there is any truth mixed in amongst it ? Who knows? Ananunaki?

The channeling phenomenon, that's an interesting and complex topic in its self, it's a subject I have yet to really get my teeth into as far as going back in history to see where it first started to get linked to the UFO phenomenon,but yes it crops up time and time again with stories of friendly alien contact and there offers of enlightenment etc.
The whole UFO topic goes around in circles, every few years it becomes THE cool fad with a new set of "credible experts" with a new twist on an old tale.

Looking at Karl's recent thread recounting all the different encounters, I mean WTF?

Something is going on, but what??!!
I think when the facts are looked at properly the truth sometimes is a let down and the story is far more enjoyable with a bit of BS thrown in. Of course it turns the whole subject into a joke The hardcore believers will have us believe this is all part of the plan to keep the truth hidden!
Like ghosts story's told round the camp fire. We love this stuff.

Go down the serious research path and your average believer may be disappointed with the facts when they are found. The balloon has burst, the show can't go on & Dr Greer can't have that!
He needs to make a living ya know.
Me? Fence sitter :P

People forget a lot of what they are aware of in my opinion.  How many of you have read about psychotronic weapons but still don't connect it to any of the phenomena that appear to defy rational explanation?  I'm not going to say more than that except it isn't rocket science, it is an altogether different one that we apparently have a blind spot for.

Pim -

I note in Karl's occupant thread scads of aliens without needing helmets as you pointed out (to my mind greys seem to dominate this category), however there seems to be plenty that DO require helmets.

Perhaps they came up from an underwater base or are indeed ET.

The greys appear to have a vested interest in us, so keeping a close eye on us would seem reasonable, and doing so from close proximity would also make sense, as you have postulated.

Their keen interest in our Atomic activities would also make perfect sense from this perspective.




 

Quote from: stealthyaroura on October 25, 2013, 01:01:55 AM
Me? Fence sitter :P

Stealthy -

You make some good points.

I have to ask if you have looked over my 'Day Before Roswell' thread, and what you make of that hurricane of reports of wildly advanced technolgy.

Quote from: Pimander on October 25, 2013, 02:46:20 AM
How many of you have read about psychotronic weapons but still don't connect it to any of the phenomena that appear to defy rational explanation?  I'm not going to say more than that except it isn't rocket science, it is an altogether different one that we apparently have a blind spot for.

Hooraa!!!

I keep bangin on about this shizzle with no effect!! lol

Quote from: A51Watcher on October 25, 2013, 03:15:43 AM
The greys appear to have a vested interest in us

Alternatively, we have and invested interest in them  ;)

Oh why does nobody ever follow my crazy leads?  :D aha.

After doing some research here lately.im more inclined to believe in grays.i havent read the whole thread so forgive me.
I think the reason for the foreign troops in ohio is because of wright patman base.thats where the roswell craft ended up along with lots of russian craft.maybe a stargate type cooperation is going on.i read an article the other day that said the un runs it now.the vid i posted on peru ufo stated that multiple nations are involved.this would explain foreign troops on our soil.cheney was asked once about aliens and his exact words were who knows.who-world health organization is run by the un.
As far as where they come from.some folks claim they have webbing between fingers and toes.plus the color folks describe seems alot like dolphins skin and eyes.could greys be a hybrid of human and dolphin.

Quote from: robomont on October 25, 2013, 03:32:14 PM
After doing some research here lately.im more inclined to believe in grays.

Why?

The aquatic thing is interesting if we are sure it is correct.  It would also indicate cryptoterrestrial and be a good hint where they have hidden for so long. :)

cryptoterrestrial


learnt a new word today P..tanks.    ;)




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_Tonnies

The cryptoterrestrial hypothesis was developed in Tonnies's blog, and later published posthumously. It proposes that extraterrestrial beings are actually mysterious and secretive races of earthly origin. These races have existed upon Earth for at least as long as humanity, and present themselves as extraterrestrials or occult beings. Some[who?] have suggested that this is an extension of the ideas of Richard Shaver.

Mac Tonnies (20 August 1975 – 18 October 2009 was an American author and blogger whose work focused on futurology, transhumanism and paranormal topics. Tonnies grew up in Independence, Missouri, and attended William Chrisman High School and Ottawa University. He lived in Kansas City, Missouri. Tonnies had an active online presence and a "small, but devoted" readership, but supported himself by working at Starbucks and other nine-to-five jobs. In 2009 he died of cardiac arrhythmia at the age of 34.

His first book, a collection of science fiction short stories titled Illumined Black, was published by Phantom Press Publications in 1995, when Tonnies was in college. It carried a cover blurb by Bruce Sterling and was positively reviewed in Booklist. His second book, After the Martian Apocalypse, was published by Simon & Schuster in 2004. His third book, The Cryptoterrestrials, was published posthumously by Anomalist Books in 2010.

In November, 2012, Redstar Books published the first volume of Posthuman Blues, which contains excerpts from Tonnies' long-running blog of the same name. In the introduction, historian Aaron John Gulyas writes that, "Posthuman Blues is of a piece with the Lost Generation of the 1920s and the Beat Generation of the 1950s. Tonnies spoke for his generation with passion, eloquence, and a rare insight."

In 2007 the play Doing Time, which he co-wrote with Canadian filmmaker Paul Kimball (who was working on a documentary about Tonnies), premiered in Halifax, Nova Scotia. He also appeared in the documentary Best Evidence: Top 10 UFO Sightings, and an episode of the Canadian television series Supernatural Investigator.

His blog, "Posthuman blues" was described by The Pitch as "one of Kansas City's best blogs, filled with well-written, intelligent takes on offbeat news items and humorous rants from a left-leaning political perspective."

He appeared on Coast to Coast AM in September 2009.[12][better source needed]

Quote from: A51Watcher on October 25, 2013, 03:31:19 AM
Stealthy -

You make some good points.

I have to ask if you have looked over my 'Day Before Roswell' thread, and what you make of that hurricane of reports of wildly advanced technolgy.

Yeah, I love the thread "the day before Roswell" shows there was a hell of a lot of ufo's leading up to the "incident" at roswell and they carried on after.
A flap worldwide.

Who has been blasting the psi weapons? The aviary bunch?
Probably, have the aliens been using these teqniqes too?
I do like the Inter-dimensional hypothesis.
comfy fence. :P

Quote from: Pimander on October 03, 2013, 06:54:37 PM

Karl, Thanks for reminding me of one of my favourite interviews.  I just love the way Creighton is pretending he has just been looking through his library in scholarly fashion.  In case any members haven't seen it Gordon pretty much goes over a lot of relevant material.

Pimander, got to love Gordo in that interview mate and thought he made some very astute points -  not so sure about his thoughts in later life about the subject though and in this (http://www.ufoevidence.org/documents/doc1804.htm) 2000 article he states that 'UFO activity is evil and malignant' - didn't really agree with him about the true nature of UFO entities in this piece either (but he was a great chap).

QuoteA BRIEF ACCOUNT OF THE TRUE NATURE OF THE "UFO ENTITIES" by Gordon Creighton

QuoteEver since its publication, the article has been treated throughout the world with total silence, and there is a general agreement among all Ufologists on both sides of the Atlantic never to give it a mention.

Quote from: Pimander on October 03, 2013, 06:54:37 PM

It looks like I'm in good company when I say that the sightings are too common for a simple, "it must be extraterrestrials," explanation.

The sheer number of different occupant descriptions (and shapes (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=5129.0)) had me thinking along the same lines for a while now mate - maybe the extra-dimensional factor coupled with the crypto-terrestrial aspect (and the occasional ET visitation) could cover it but as always who knows?

It's only speculation but when it comes to the ETH and folks dismissing UFO reports because of the 'huge distance' assumption then what if long lived and sufficiently advanced civilizations lived 'off planet' in self contained ships free from the dangers of super volcanoes, ice ages, meteor strikes etc..? I suppose that would go someways in negating the distance problem although obviously the sheer variety of reports is still a big factor.
Cheers!

Perhaps the knowledge of WHERE we are observing or experiencing from,  and WHAT we believe
to be this dimensional Universe, no matter what Species we (LIFE) experience through, is more the question
rather from what we believe or assume at present.

The question of so called "Distance", is only limited by out technical Ignorance and lack of knowledge regarding
WHAT & HOW our experience (Environment or this little Universe) is being produced and WHERE !



We both see and experience this Universe; So WHERE is this little Universe then ?   :)


IF it is located somewhere, WHERE is it Located ?

And WHAT is beyond the experience of it ?   :)



These Questions may need to be answered 1st, IF we are going to get to grips with the Alien or UFO Phenomena.


Ever thought we are approaching the Subject in the wrong way, or from the wrong angle ?   :)

My bad.wright patterson not wright patman thats a lake.from post above.

Quote from: Pimander on October 24, 2013, 03:41:42 PM
There is to my knowledge nothing even resembling good evidence that "abductions" and similar contact experiences have anything to do with extraterrestrials.

And, you won't ever see good evidence until it happens to you.

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Channelling is as old as the wind.  I do think it is a real contact with "intelligence" of some description.  That is very different to the intelligence being literally a "space brother" here to save us after a detour from the Pleiades.

We'll talk about the Pleiades in a minute...

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Sorry to say it, but the above sketch is not credible evidence that "The Greys" are actual extraterrestrials from Zeta Reticuli.  I won't get deeply into a debate about whether that sketch is credible evidence based on the Fish interpretation.  Why?

The sketch, perhaps no, but the over all experience, perhaps. The sketch show a configuration of stars from a "view" that is not possible from Earth; the view point is over 40 ly from Earth. The Fish interpretation was somewhat inaccurate, I've been working on a 3D model of the stars and will have that done soon.

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It is a view from a point in space (not here).  It could easily be obtained in a "dream" by a technique widely known on this site.  Remote viewing.

Even if you accept that the Hill's map is really a map drawn from some point in space, it can mean many things.  Knowledge can be obtained in many ways.  If you believe in Psi and certain noetic phenomena then you should know that already.  That is the danger with interpreting according to a pre-conceived notion.

Ever do Remote Viewing? How about Telepathy? I bet you have experienced a wee bit of empathy though, the others are not unlike that except you "see" things and "know" things...in the end its actually "know" things. A wee look into by day, so, yeah, I kind of believe in "Psi". Lol, "pre-conceived notion", that's almost funny; that is one of the greatest battles and barriers to telepathy. Once One can begin to get past that, it becomes almost easy...next step is to learn "trust".

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Don't understand something.  It's aliens.  EVERY TIME!

When you start to discuss 30 or 40 races of alien and produce virtually no credible evidence that they exist, you make UFOlogists look like a bunch of idiots.  Well I'm not an idiot.  That may make me unpopular with certain folk.  That is absolutely fine with me.  It's a small price to pay.

Well, if ya check into my writing you will notice that I don't talk about 30 or 40 or 57 species, I only have 10.5 and, I have suitable home stars for each. And, I would submit that having a suitable star dramatically increases the probability that "said species" exists. You should also note that I'm not calling anything I got "proof" in the sense that you and most others would like, no, what I have is "proof" in a mathematical sense; in that I can demonstrate probabilities close enough to 1 to represent virtual proof.

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Pardon?  There are millions - no billions - of stars of every class in the Galaxy.  There are thousands of myths about many stars.  There are in fact far more myths about Sirius, the Plaiades, Orions stars, Polaris and the planets.  Why?  Because those objects are the most remarkable things you can see in the sky apart from the Sun and Moon. 

Yes, there are billions of stars in the Galaxy; but not so many within travel distance. If we place some sort of "practical" limit on distance; say 50ly, then there are only a little few hundred or so. and when you talk about stars that typically support the kinds of life we are interested in, even fewer (actually 100+ or so). So of all the stars we only consider class G, F, A some "K" class, the brighter ones, and the dimmer "B" class stars. Then we need to filter that list by age; apparently only stars between the ages of 3 billion and 6 billion years old will have the kinds of life we want.

So the Pleiades; Class "B" stars between the age of 75 million and 150 million...No natural complex sentient space-faring life.
Vega; the same...too young.
Orion Stars: most are too far away; hundreds of light years...
And, yes, these objects are/were the most remarkable things in the sky; probably accounts for the misidentification of home worlds.

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Except I could also be from Nottingham.  Or Scotland.  Both are more accurate.

Well, see there...data is already updated. And, I can apply a few "believed" facts and arrive an updated inference that more closely matched my "psychic" impressions.

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I can also prove I actually exist.  I can give a blood sample,  a photograph of me and even shake your hand.  Find me 30 or 40 extraterrestrial races who can do that!

Again, I don't know about 30 or 40 species, only 10 or so. But, I can find you 1 such extraterrestrial that can do all that.

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I think that ultimately, the ET hypothesis is a reasonable one but is an incomplete explanation for the variety of experienced phenomena.  I also think that certain UFO cases could well indicate ETs.  The answer to the UFO mystery is Not UFOs are piloted by ETs.  Most - including most of the "unexplained" cases - are not.

Talking about 30 or 40 species and detailing their physical characteristics and relations with humans and even their politics is fanciful BS.

In what ways is ETH incomplete?
Yes, of course the UFO Mystery is far more complex than what meets the eye. There are things "out there" that the like of us cannot even imagine. We have to keep an open and questioning mind.

Actually, obtaining intel on extraterrestrial cultures isn't all  that difficult if one has the requisite skills, even if still in training. But, even at that; it is sometimes difficult to understand an "alien" mind (that's like just about every other mind, so ever).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0QCKJNLA7c


(youtube link fixed for ya Anthra)

What about that show fire in the sky.about an abduction in oregon.that was real.his coworkers were arrested for murder and then the guy showed up naked like three days later.thats the best abduction proof i know of.
Then theres the newer movie out"fourth kind" about a woman who had her husband and daughter abducted and never returned.there is live footage of that and the sheriff quit.he couldnt take the stress of people disappearing for no reason.

THE TRUTH IS OUT THERE.

Quote from: robomont on October 26, 2013, 06:26:05 AM
What about that show fire in the sky.about an abduction in oregon.that was real.his coworkers were arrested for murder and then the guy showed up naked like three days later.thats the best abduction proof i know of.

THE TRUTH IS OUT THERE.

Agreed, best abduction case I know of also. Great movie too.

Quote from: sky otter on October 25, 2013, 07:21:35 PM
cryptoterrestrial


learnt a new word today P..tanks.    ;)

Always happy to be of service.  8)

The following is fascinating.

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Some[who?] have suggested that this is an extension of the ideas of Richard Shaver.

(http://sacred-texts.com/ufo/irl/img/amazing.jpg)

It's a long(ish) story.  Basically it revolves around a fascinating guy called Ray Palmer who edited the 1950s pulp fiction magazine Amazing Stories.  In response to a letter from a guy called Shaver, Palmer published a series of stories called "I Remember Lemuria" abourt a race of beings that lived under the Earth in tunnels and controlled humans by firing mysterious beams up at them.

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_DSs2bX13hVc/TT2GkQ_Z6MI/AAAAAAAAC6c/vOj32eV4HTA/s320/lemuria.jpg)

The upshot is that Palmer got thousands of letters saying that the story was true and that they had encountered these beings.  Here Palmer can speak for himself in the Stan Deyo film.

Incidentally, this is the only Ray Palmer footage I can find.  If anyone knows of more I'd be delighted as I want to include him if I produce a film.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6VEV-UknBg

Was it a hoax?  If yes, it definitely touched a nerve.

Palmer is worth looking into but I'll leave that to interested parties.

I Remember Lemuria by Richard Shaver (http://sacred-texts.com/ufo/irl/)

QuoteHowever, the real importance of these texts is historic. The Shaver mythos had a huge tacit influence on 1950s and successive UFO belief systems. For instance, Shavers' 'Nor,' blonde demigods from outer space, suggest the 'Nordic' aliens of UFO lore. The tunnels of the dero became subterranean alien bases. Embedded in this short science fiction story were many of the themes which would later become accepted UFO canon.

From pimanders link.
Interesting that Ray Palmer the editor of "amazing stories" went on to publish "fate" magazine that broke the Arnold case.
Great find!

Quote from: stealthyaroura on October 25, 2013, 08:41:22 PM
Yeah, I love the thread "the day before Roswell" shows there was a hell of a lot of ufo's leading up to the "incident" at roswell and they carried on after.
A flap worldwide.

What we have found so far doesn't indicate worldwide in terms of saucers in 1947.  I have started a similar search in the UK papers and apart from reports about the American flap there was nothing in the UK.

The sightings in the US appear to be near to places where military testing happened.  That may mean an interest in our technology and/or it originated with our own technology and/or it is reverse engineered.

Something that interests me is that the saucer sightings appear to have increased in 1947 and not when nukes were first fired at Trinity in 1945.

I study physics hardcore and i read about underground bases.i dont think these craft can actually go through rock.my guess is the portals are in the ocean.like caves that follow springs into the interior of the continents.salinity test should show where these caves are as the freshwater will dilute the saltwater.i bet usgs has a map of this or maybe navy.

Quote from: Anthra on October 26, 2013, 05:43:51 AM

And, you won't ever see good evidence until it happens to you.

Having an abuction experience is not proof the abductor is from Zeta Reticuli. ::)

Similarly, John Mack reporting that people in an altered state of consciousness (hypnosis) have described being abducted is not evidence that ETs were involved.

Critical thinking is important if you want the truth.

I'm happy to disagree about what constitutes credible evidence.  There is no point endlessly debating that.  Basically I require different types of evidence to what you do.  I'll allow the readers to decide which one is likely to make UFOlogy more credible or get the answers to the riddle.

QuoteEver do Remote Viewing? How about Telepathy?

That is my business.  I just hope you aren't mistaking me for someone who doesn't know something about it. :)


The upshot is that telepathic, channelled or similar communications are not evidence of where the communication originates or evidence of where the communicator originates from.  Pretend not to understand that obvious fact if you like.  Taking note of the intelligence level of the majority of our members, I expect that it is obvious to most that I am correct on this point - even if they disagree with me on others.

Channelled info is not evidence that the alien experience is ET.  It is simply evidence that information can be received or produced using that method.

QuoteWell, if ya check into my writing you will notice that I don't talk about 30 or 40 or 57 species, I only have 10.5 and, I have suitable home stars for each.

I wasn't accusing you of a particular number but generally criticising people who write such nonsense.   Similarly, writing about 10.5 ET races, politics, traits and their homes without credible evidence makes real UFOlogists look like idiots.  I stand by that.

Gotta say I do like the crypto hypothesis and there are an awful lot of sightings of craft entering water, volcano's and all the folk law of inner earth beings.
I'm more of a book person myself I collect UFO books, but the insights bought forward in these Peggy threads are awesome.

Yeah seems "they" love nuclear installations as well as our missile tech.
Has the famous concord footage been debunked ( apart from the blob of condensation explo)?
I think a lot of the craft are probes, we send the same out so it follows common sense no?
I love this topic! I know I flit from theory to theory sorry for the distraction in your thread pim.

well this is a bit off center
but the lumarian thing was a big deal around here for some reason back in the 70's.

and i do believe that you can get information just thur the air ( how's that for vague..lol...no labels)

i was fascinated with anything lumarian back then and searched the book stores for anything i could find on the subject.. there were soo many wonderful book stores before the web
and i had this experience..(one of many now that i think about it)

i apologize for this being a loose description but i had forgotten it till reading this thread..

i was holding a book and reading parts of it and around one of the shelves came this short dark haired middle aged (to me at the time it was middle aged but  who knows now) and she looked right at me.. i have always looked folks right in the eye
and the thought is in my head.. lumaria is still there and a big smile
that's it..that's all of it..

i know it's just a small thing but i have had so many small things happen thru my searching that when it happens you/ i somehow know if it is true or not

i beleived that..

so just my couple of cents into the pot.. ;D

I have a centime for the weird pot, too, Sky.

Two nights ago, I went to support a friend who was delivering a group regression hypnosis session. I did not think I was hypnotized, so to entertain myself while the regression was going on ,I decided I would play at being a fish, maybe a dolphin, but then before the thought was finished, the fish transformed into a merman. I remember looking at my hands and seeing webbed fingers.

I can only think that this must be a concept that is percolating in the collective consciousness right now, as Robo posted this yesterday.

QuoteAs far as where they come from.some folks claim they have webbing between fingers and toes.plus the color folks describe seems alot like dolphins skin and eyes.could greys be a hybrid of human and dolphin.

rose

hahhaha Rose..or else you are holding space in another place as a merman... ;) ;D

Quote from: Pimander on October 26, 2013, 01:48:55 PM

I'm happy to disagree about what constitutes credible evidence.  There is no point endlessly debating that.  Basically I require different types of evidence to what you do.  I'll allow the readers to decide which one is likely to make UFOlogy more credible or get the answers to the riddle.

I think its more like we view the Universe in different ways. The kinds of "evidence" you require are very different than what I require.

Your view is akin to a Relativistic view, in such a view you can have discrete events and data to inspect and place on a static "puzzle" until you have enough that you are "comfortable" with your guess.

Mine is a bit more Quantum; in that I view virtually everything a discrete object radiating "probability waves". My view is not static like your, but dynamic, always in a state of change.

When I look for "proof" it is in the form of probabilities as close to 1 as can be found; while knowing that 1 and 0 are not possible (one of the few things that are actually impossible).

Quote
That is my business [telepathy].  I just hope you aren't mistaking me for someone who doesn't know something about it. :)

The upshot is that telepathic, channelled or similar communications are not evidence of where the communication originates or evidence of where the communicator originates from.  Pretend not to understand that obvious fact if you like.  Taking note of the intelligence level of the majority of our members, I expect that it is obvious to most that I am correct on this point - even if they disagree with me on others.

Channelled info is not evidence that the alien experience is ET.  It is simply evidence that information can be received or produced using that method.

I thought you knew about telepathy! It has been my experience that I "know" who I'm talking to, via the telepathic contact.  I may not know the special location of who I'm talking to, unless they actually tell me, but I can tell if they are telling the truth, what species they are, and with little effort I can determine their home star. All this has something to do with the "mind-to-mind" connection and data transfers.

And, of course you are absolutely correct about channeling and any other similar forms of "communication"

Quote
I wasn't accusing you of a particular number but generally criticising people who write such nonsense.   Similarly, writing about 10.5 ET races, politics, traits and their homes without credible evidence makes real UFOlogists look like idiots.  I stand by that.

How about we simply not go there; you prolly wouldn't like my opinion on UFOlogists, real or not.

And, I can make those statements, in as much as I have talked to people from those various worlds.  If you have doubts...you're a telepath, yes?

Some food for thought, I'm sure ZORGON won't mind me borrowing this quote,after all it's just a 'what if' scenario ;)

QuoteBut engineering it is so tough. So you build your first crude test craft down the road from Los Alamos, and try your inertia lowering theory out again, this time intentionally - surely we've fixed the bugs this time, what a second wonderful contribution to the security of the nation! and bammo, crash landing, all dead out near Roswell. What's the very best coverup? Not denial, that's for sure - we'll pretend it was aliens, and sprinkle some crap around for people to find! General Ramey, for that idea we'll name a base after you! What acting, posing for photos with a UFO coverup order in your hand! Who could believe a general would even have something like outside a secure area, much less held like a product insert in a movie where it can be read! And that'll cover up the other tests later, too. If anyone gets too close, bam! some drugs and hypnosis, and they'll babble about nordics from rigel. No one would believe them! Crazy, right?

Almost 40 years ago.... I watched a debate on the Pierre Burton show between a lady 'Archaeologist' and Erik von Danekin...

He was calm. presented his evidence but did not claim it as truth, saying it was up to the viewer to make up their own mind..

The  lady 'Archaeologist' on the other hand resorted to the age old tool of skeptics... if you can't prove them wrong, attack their character, yell and stomp your feet, and hope no one calls you on it...

Well in the end Pierre said "While I don't agree with your conclusions, I declare you winner of this debate because you stuck to your guns and remained calm" (paraphrased)

That was when I started looking at Ancient Aliens


Now today. 65 years after Roswell, we still have no Alien corpse, we have no photo of ONE alien that can be independently verified and we have not ONE piece of a crashed saucer despite the HUNDREDS that have supposedly crashed.

We have a myriad of UFO and Alien Hunters out there combing the desert, making symposiums and telling stories... yet still not even ONE verifiable nut or bolt from a crashed saucer

We have a myriad of UFO sightings, Alien abduction stories, etc etc

Then we see the recent shutdown of the Government over a petty squabble over the budget, we see Snowden spill the beans on the NSA spying  and we are to believe that this government and all world governments have manages to keep this under wraps all these years?


We at Pegasus are one of the few groups that have MANY contacts 'in the field'  Joe Resnick and Jack Arneson have both given me accounts of Alien encounters. I have been privy to many military secrets and leads  and just as many good stories...

But in the end... even we have nothing HARD CORE that can be considered PROOF  (not counting the footage of A51 and Bob :P But that is only proof to us, not something you can lay on CNN that all will believe)


So..

SOMETHING is not right...

I have been seeking for over 40 years... I am running out of time. What I see happening on the UFO circuit is the old timers are slowly dying off, or going for the money. There have been no new whistle blowers

Guys like Nick Pope IMO have turned out to be stooges... I talked to him, heard him at that speech in Vegas... he is not a believer

Will I give up? No because the stories I get are still fascinating and on the Military front, I have been able to say many times "We told you so years ago" :D

But still  not ONE ALIEN yet :P

It just doesn't add up or make sense, Z; too many of us have been digging for far too long to always come up empty handed... perhaps they are using some form of mind control to keep us from seeing the obvious...

we are getting old, my friend, just as John Lear and Bob are...

I agree, something is not right...


seeker

maybe it boils down to what we think should be evidence for show and tell

maybe the only person we need to prove anything too is ourself


with the things that i have experienced so far  i KNOW there is MORE
can i prove it to anyone else...
no
but only others who have experienced something on their own are willing to even listen
maybe that's the key

who did you tell?..were they full of fear and laughed to cover?

the movies and tv shows about magic and vamps and things are slowly moving the consciouness into accepting what is really here/there
unfortunately they are also instilling fear

sigh

Oh, I assure You, the fear is instilled with purpose.

Quote from: Anthra on October 26, 2013, 07:41:54 PM
If you have doubts...you're a telepath, yes?

:-X

Sometimes there is no need for words.

Quote from: zorgon on October 26, 2013, 09:31:26 PM
Now today. 65 years after Roswell, we still have no Alien corpse, we have no photo of ONE alien that can be independently verified and we have not ONE piece of a crashed saucer despite the HUNDREDS that have supposedly crashed.

Most of those are cover ups of military accidents.  That is so blatantly obvious.

Crash, esp involving nuclear material.  Procedure:

If it is spotted by public make some exaggerated reports to UFO groups to confuse and make investigators and witnesses not look credible.

If personnel who cannot be trusted are involved or might talk: Drug them, pretend to be the NSA, and, using drugs, debrief with scare tactics and make them think there are aliens so if they do talk their story is incredible or unbelievable (e.g. Rendlesham Forest).

Bob Lazar was allegedly drugged too and then reportedly saw a "grey".

At all costs insist that the ET hypothesis or it not happening at all are the only matters focused on.

Quote
But still  not ONE ALIEN yet :P

Perhaps.

Psychotronic weapons?  I think they have been tested at nuclear sites which has helped to muddy the waters.

There is something else too but I am keeping it close to my chest for fear that clues will dry up.

Quotethe movies and tv shows about magic and vamps and things are slowly moving the consciouness into accepting what is really here/there
unfortunately they are also instilling fear

And the show, "Person of Interest"  is instilling the idea that protection comes from being watched constantly.

We went on vacation with our 20-somethings children recently and I was amazed at how constantly connected they were. In the end that has to be a good thing, but is the price worth it? 

Sorry for the thread drift.

Back to the topic at hand.  Seems like we have hold of two ends to the issue.  End One is the one where we all end up...believing what we experience outwardly and innerly.  Magical things happen and we know them to be true.

End Two is...to discover if is there a 'technologica'l secret that hasn't yet been uncovered. Taking it as a given that psychotronic weapons exist and that there have been downed US craft, is there something else in use that has not yet been ventured?

rose

Quote from: Pimander on October 24, 2013, 03:41:42 PM


(http://www.world-mysteries.com/sci_6_31.jpg)
Hill's map

Sorry to say it, but the above sketch is not credible evidence that "The Greys" are actual extraterrestrials from Zeta Reticuli.  I won't get deeply into a debate about whether that sketch is credible evidence based on the Fish interpretation.  Why?

It is a view from a point in space (not here).  It could easily be obtained in a "dream" by a technique widely known on this site.  Remote viewing.

Okay, here is something to compare with in regards the Hill map. I've constructed a 3D model of the Hill Map, using the best guess interpretations that are available.

(http://alien.wolfmagick.com/images/reticuliSpace.png)

It seems that 2/3 of the stars match rather easily. Gliese 59.1, Tau(1) Eridani and Ka Fornacis seem to be on their own plane and rotated 90 degrees. Gliese 67 is probably a misidentification as it is completely misplaced. So, 1 star out of 13 misplaced...a virtual 97% accurate.

This view is from around 70 light years in the direction of Gliese 59.1

The star positional data is from a flavor of the ISBN star catalog, imported into SQL server. I wrote a short application to get star data from the database, and compute X, Y, Z coordinates. The source is available.

Most of the stars are "G" class, some are "F" class. All are at least 3 billion years old, and typically less than 6 billion or so. Making all of these stars prime candidates for life very much like is described in various reports, or found here on Earth.

Here we go - thought these were some relevant interviews with the late Karl Pflock (sourced by Alfred Roseberg over on RealTVUFOs (http://realtvufos.blogspot.com.es/)).

QuoteThe late Karl T. Pflock, former U.S. Deputy Assistant Secretary
of Defense (Deputy Director) for Operational Test and Evaluation (1985-89), CIA Briefing Officer & UFO Researcher

On the ETH:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6sgPPBHqWew

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EJg2ivyY2A

On Ufology:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0pJ44C0K_xQ

Quote from: Pimander on October 27, 2013, 02:54:49 PM
Most of those are cover ups of military accidents.  That is so blatantly obvious.

Crash, esp involving nuclear material.  Procedure:

If it is spotted by public make some exaggerated reports to UFO groups to confuse and make investigators and witnesses not look credible.

If personnel who cannot be trusted are involved or might talk: Drug them, pretend to be the NSA, and, using drugs, debrief with scare tactics and make them think there are aliens so if they do talk their story is incredible or unbelievable (e.g. Rendlesham Forest).

Bob Lazar was allegedly drugged too and then reportedly saw a "grey".

At all costs insist that the ET hypothesis or it not happening at all are the only matters focused on.
Perhaps.

Psychotronic weapons?  I think they have been tested at nuclear sites which has helped to muddy the waters.

There is something else too but I am keeping it close to my chest for fear that clues will dry up.

I know it's not up your street - but clue's to Psychotronic weapons can be found within The Law of One and Peter Beter Material.

The Russian comospheres are apparently great big flying weapons platforms, in the form of glowing metal sphere's, and account for many UFO sightings.

Quoteis there something else in use that has not yet been ventured?

I think a combination of things explains the entire phenomenon

Quote from: anthra on October 27, 2013, 03:59:55 PM
It seems that 2/3 of the stars match rather easily.

So the map is wrong then?  Don't forget, there are an infinite number of points in the galaxy that can be used to find a match with the Hill "map".

QuoteMaking all of these stars prime candidates for life very much like is described in various reports, or found here on Earth.

That is interesting but not evidence of one let alone ten and a half races of space aliens being in contact with Earth Humans.

Quote from: karl 12 on November 06, 2013, 08:52:08 PM
Here we go - thought these were some relevant interviews with the late Karl Pflock

I agree with Pflock especially in the last video.  I don't think he gives deception enough importance.

Quote from: Sinny on November 07, 2013, 10:05:50 AM
I know it's not up your street - but clue's to Psychotronic weapons can be found within The Law of One and Peter Beter Material.

I suspect Peter Beter thing is a hoax (started with a prank about a candidate who attached himself to the Wallace presidential campaign), although that does not mean that some of the material might not be true.

Quote from: Pimander on November 07, 2013, 11:40:22 AM
I suspect Peter Beter thing is a hoax (started with a prank about a candidate who attached himself to the Wallace presidential campaign), although that does not mean that some of the material might not be true.

Expand and explain please, what's the hoax?

You implied previously that you didn't even think the man existed. This can be proven quite easily - do I need to spoon feed you the evidence?

Or are you suggesting he did exist, and his work is the hoax?

You can have your own opinion on the latter - that is your choice.

If it is all a hoax, it's not a very good one - it has taken some people great effort to keep his name alive, and he is still relatively unknown.
His information is not to be found on more than 15-20 internet links - nobody apart from myself is 'pushing this information', as a usual hoax would usually entail.

Hey - Maybe I created the hoax!  :P

Quote from: Sinny on November 07, 2013, 12:48:06 PM
Expand and explain please, what's the hoax?

The material may not really be anything to do with Peter Beter.  In fact are you certain there was a real Dr Peter Beter who has a doctorate from a University in Washington?  I guess it is a side issue if you are convinced by material itself.

Basically, I have never seen concrete evidence that he was a real person except a video saying he was a guy who attached himself to the Wallace Presidential campaign.  The evidence may exist but has anyone checked whether Peter Beter was real as I have not seen it anywhere.

Of course, any material is either true or not so the "Peter Beter" material could still have value even if it wasn't created by a lawyer called Dr Peter Beter.

Quote from: Pimander on November 07, 2013, 12:57:54 PM
In fact are you certain there was a real Dr Peter Beter who has a doctorate from a University in Washington?

Here's his published book:

(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s635/Sinny_Dawes/peter_zps8848de25.jpg) (http://s1309.photobucket.com/user/Sinny_Dawes/media/peter_zps8848de25.jpg.html)

Here's a journalist that seems to think he existed:

(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s635/Sinny_Dawes/peter3_zpsbc67dc78.jpg) (http://s1309.photobucket.com/user/Sinny_Dawes/media/peter3_zpsbc67dc78.jpg.html)

Here's his obtituary, and apparently a whole family you can trace:

(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s635/Sinny_Dawes/peter2_zps7a183780.png) (http://s1309.photobucket.com/user/Sinny_Dawes/media/peter2_zps7a183780.png.html)

Here is/was his wife:

(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s635/Sinny_Dawes/peter5_zps90bb3c41.jpg) (http://s1309.photobucket.com/user/Sinny_Dawes/media/peter5_zps90bb3c41.jpg.html)

I could go on...

Question:  A quick google search finds all this information. Why the denial and lack of research on your behalf Pimander?

Quote from: Sinny on November 07, 2013, 01:48:28 PM
Question:  A quick google search finds all this information. Why the denial and lack of research on your behalf Pimander?

I did a quick Google but that was all.  Being one person, I can't look into everything in detail, that is what collaboration is for.  I was told it was likely a joke and moved on to other material but apart from that I had no reason to lean in any direction.

I'll have a look at what he has to say about psychotronics.  Thanks for the info.

His parents must have been right bastards to call their kid that. LOL  :o


ETA:  There is still a part of me that can't believe that was his birth name.

Quote from: zorgon on October 26, 2013, 09:31:26 PM
Almost 40 years ago.... I watched a debate on the Pierre Burton show between a lady 'Archaeologist' and Erik von Danekin...

He was calm. presented his evidence but did not claim it as truth, saying it was up to the viewer to make up their own mind..

The  lady 'Archaeologist' on the other hand resorted to the age old tool of skeptics... if you can't prove them wrong, attack their character, yell and stomp your feet, and hope no one calls you on it...

Well in the end Pierre said "While I don't agree with your conclusions, I declare you winner of this debate because you stuck to your guns and remained calm" (paraphrased)

That was when I started looking at Ancient Aliens


Now today. 65 years after Roswell, we still have no Alien corpse, we have no photo of ONE alien that can be independently verified and we have not ONE piece of a crashed saucer despite the HUNDREDS that have supposedly crashed.

We have a myriad of UFO and Alien Hunters out there combing the desert, making symposiums and telling stories... yet still not even ONE verifiable nut or bolt from a crashed saucer

We have a myriad of UFO sightings, Alien abduction stories, etc etc

Then we see the recent shutdown of the Government over a petty squabble over the budget, we see Snowden spill the beans on the NSA spying  and we are to believe that this government and all world governments have manages to keep this under wraps all these years?


We at Pegasus are one of the few groups that have MANY contacts 'in the field'  Joe Resnick and Jack Arneson have both given me accounts of Alien encounters. I have been privy to many military secrets and leads  and just as many good stories...

But in the end... even we have nothing HARD CORE that can be considered PROOF  (not counting the footage of A51 and Bob :P But that is only proof to us, not something you can lay on CNN that all will believe)


So..

SOMETHING is not right...

I have been seeking for over 40 years... I am running out of time. What I see happening on the UFO circuit is the old timers are slowly dying off, or going for the money. There have been no new whistle blowers

Guys like Nick Pope IMO have turned out to be stooges... I talked to him, heard him at that speech in Vegas... he is not a believer

Will I give up? No because the stories I get are still fascinating and on the Military front, I have been able to say many times "We told you so years ago" :D

But still  not ONE ALIEN yet :P

Way back in 1968-69 I came across a book called Chariot of the Gods by Eric Von Däniken and like so many others, it was this very introduction into ancient mysteries that started for me at least, a lifetime of further research into this area.  I have lost count the number of books, articles, video's, reports, posts I have read and watched on UFO's, Aliens, conflicting Conspiracies Theory's etc that after all these years I doubt everything, to the point where if I asked myself the question 'would I know the truth if I saw it?' I would be hard pushed to say I would.   Much of what I believe in has been crafted over the years by what I have learn't , it may not all be true but it's what's I 'feel' makes sense to me , as an individual.

For some, their comes a time in our life when our mind is so crammed with conflicting ideas that the only way to make better sense of what we have learned is to put-aside the vast majority of it and to re-evaluate the 'BASICS' of what is considered as 'FACT'.  I.E those facts that have we have no clear explanation for, yet it exists.  The Great Pyramid exists yet is surrounded in controversy with few facts to back them up.

The ET hypothesis is a classic example of an enigma.  There is certainly evidence (IMO) of ET presence throughout our ancient history through cave and rock art and references in clay tablets to name but a few examples,  but a skeptic might say it's all down to how we interpret these references that makes us see what we want to see.   Remember the Face on Mars? From a certain angle it does look like a human face, yet from a different perspective it's just a few nondescript hills with shadows across them.

I'm with zorgon, I WANT TO SEE REAL PROOF of ET's existence, yet despite all these so called government leaks of recent years we still don't have any solid written evidence let alone pieces of wreckage, bodies or alien artifacts etc.  The question is, can a secret this BIG really be kept so tightly controlled after all these years?  The simply answer is Yes it can but only if it's core is well camouflaged with unlimited resources to plan and organize misinformation on many levels through outlets such as news, TV, Films and Books.
   
Perhaps one of the most dubious sources for the existence of ET's ' is from those who claim or alleged have/are in contact with 'aliens'.  I'm sure we can all list several known people from this category just from the top of our heads, and yet, in all my years of looking for some kind of ET proof, only ONE person (for me at least) has ever come close to giving me some hope that 'they' actually exist!.   

Before i mention this person, ask yourself this question, under our present world situation, what would constitute as definite proof of ET's existence for you ?

Would it be a declassified military report? or perhaps a Whistle Blower with a high security clearance within a government department?  or perhaps a video of an ET or craft? or perhaps a major government like the UK, or France,Germany or Canada going rogue and announces to the world that ET's really exist and are already here, not that this is ever going to happen.   Or perhaps if you saw a UFO fly across your house one night would that constitute as real proof of their existence?

The fact is, the more we know about this multifaceted subject the less reliable all our information becomes, simply because there is so many conflicting sources of evidence that we really don't know for sure what is fact and what is fiction. Fact and fiction is one and the same, we are all tainted with it.

With the lack of clear and concise proof it all boils down to that unscientific human feeling of gut-instinct!

My gut instinct tells me Sanni Ceto constitutes a positive example towards a possible ET presence here on Earth.  Her appearance and manner is opposite from what most people would 'expect' someone connected with ET would look and behave and her past history would fit someone with mental problems. Proof doesn't always come in neat, easy to digest packages as Hollywood depicts.  I have to ask myself, Is it possible that we are so used to looking for the truth amongst the misinformation that we know is out their, among the fraudsters and hoaxers  that when something comes along that doesn't fit our perception of what is 'normal' , that we can easily find ourselves missing a possible link in the ET enigma!

I've seen this video many times, if you have'nt then I would recommend watching it with an open mind.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utvp2mHSAxg 

One point:

First, after reading Timothy Good's latest book, I found his accounts about encounters by humans with Aliens to generally have one thing in common:  The Aliens are dumb.  Blissfully unaware.  Even stupid.

That puzzles me.  Could it be that  (if this stuff really happened) they are the logical outcome of what we already observe in our own world?  Bill Nye gets booed for asserting that the moon glows because it reflects the Sun.  An engineering student in a major University asks 'aren't decibels just for audio'?  I could go on but the gap between new tech and real understanding of science or critical thinking just gets worse.

So, maybe there really are Aliens who meet ordinary humans who tell them, "you need to tell the world nuclear weapons and pollution are bad". Or they show up and offer benefits if we give up such weapons (Yeah, sure, we'll get right on that).
Maybe they are the logical outcome of breeding beautiful (alien)people who are models or urban metrosexuals.  Handsome and utterly ignorant of the complexity of human problems.

OTOH, I am heartened by claims that large numbers of Aliens actually live among us.  By doing so (if true), they could be of enormous benefit - not superficial Galactic tourists.

QuoteOTOH, I am heartened by claims that large numbers of Aliens actually live among us.  By doing so (if true), they could be of enormous benefit - not superficial Galactic tourists.

Like religions UFOlogists all want to believe and know the agenda...If "UFOlogist A" says The aliens are from one place and have "agenda A", But "UFOlogist B" says they also met aliens from another place with "Agenda B", WHY DO WE SEEM TO BE DEBATING WHICH IS CORRECT?

In my opinion it is crucial we look back to the earliest evidence possible and rebuild a timeline of visitations and events. Only from this might one get a more accurate picture. Today it seems that there is no longer just "UFOlogist A" & "B" but entire alphabets with similar stories. We need to look back to stories that pre-exist the idea of profiteering off of stories and before the age of video editing etc. No one will find the single atom of truth in a sea of mud.

Quote from: Pimander on November 07, 2013, 11:40:22 AM
So the map is wrong then?  Don't forget, there are an infinite number of points in the galaxy that can be used to find a match with the Hill "map".

No Pie, the map is not wrong! While it may contain a 7% error, introduced by Ms Fish by the way, the error is only the identification of a single star.


And there is another star in the same constellation to replace it. So with that small exception, the map is highly accurate. Further, every single star on the "route" traced by the map is a star that is considered habitable.

Some of the stars have known planets. One such star Tau Ceti has two planets inside it's HZ both highly capable of supporting life as it is known here on Earth.

Y'all might want to go over to ATS and find the latest thread on the Hill-Fish map. It is an extremely good read. (has my maps).

The accuracy of the map also lends quite a lot of credibility to the whole story. It increases the probabilities of it being "real" quite dramatically.

QuoteIt's like Captain Janeway's been re-incarnated

Bwhahaha.......sigh that's funny. I need to get out more.
Sanni ceto indeed! :-/ no I don't buy her story one bit.
It stinks of attention seeking and only plays into the most gullible of the contactee followers.
She comes out with a few inconsistencies and contradictions too that just put me off.
If we're talking what would each of us present as proof of ET as in physical evidence  I find the nazca lines fascinating well it's the part where an entire mountain to has been removed and just flattened.

That and all the famous huge stone wall sites like Machu Picchu.
What would you guys cite?

Quote from: Eighthman on November 09, 2013, 06:32:31 PM
OTOH, I am heartened by claims that large numbers of Aliens actually live among us.  By doing so (if true), they could be of enormous benefit - not superficial Galactic tourists.

It is unfortunate that the others (other ETs) won't disclose themselves and at least attempt to make a real difference. I'd really like to feel that I'm not the only one that cares for Terrestrial Humans, and Earth.

Course, then again, when we do self-disclose we are branded.

It is kind of interesting: Terrestrials want ET to contact the Earth, yet when ET tries he becomes delusional. Thankfully there are small instances where the residents aren't quite so "closed".

Quote from: stealthyaroura on November 10, 2013, 05:59:36 PM
If we're talking what would each of us present as proof of ET as in physical evidence  I find the nazca lines fascinating well it's the part where an entire mountain to has been removed and just flattened.

That and all the famous huge stone wall sites like Machu Picchu.
What would you guys cite?

Nothing, I haven't seen a thing that I think is physical evidence of the presence of extra terrestrial intelligent beings on Earth. :)

Quote from: Sinny on November 09, 2013, 12:33:55 PM
Billy Meier provided metal samples, and evidence in abundance. Why is this always over looked? lol

simple...

A) Were are these samples and who analysed them?
B) much of that "evidence in abundance" was obviously faked so most people will dismiss all of it out of hand

Quote from: Freelancer on November 08, 2013, 11:29:08 PM
For some, their comes a time in our life when our mind is so crammed with conflicting ideas that the only way to make better sense of what we have learned is to put-aside the vast majority of it and to re-evaluate the 'BASICS' of what is considered as 'FACT'.  I.E those facts that have we have no clear explanation for, yet it exists.  The Great Pyramid exists yet is surrounded in controversy with few facts to back them up.

The Great Pyramis does NOT require Aliens... it simply requires a long lost past civilization like Atlantis or Lemuria. These two civilizations are taught by Rosicrucian and Mason traditions. The Tibetans claim we are the FITH civilization on this earth. There is plenty of time in geological history to account for more than one civilization having arisen and been destroyed.

We are finding ooparts all the time... we know main stream archaeologist deliberatly hide discoveries that don't fit their accepted beliefs. Seems every year a new discover is made that pushes civilization further back.

America itself was created to be the NEW ATLANTIS by it's Rosicrucian/Mason founders.  Not Alien... just Ancient Civilizations.

On top of that there IS too much information  and particulary FALSE information like the latest "Mayan stones showing aliens" that Nassim Haramein (handled by Dr Rausher) has been presenting even on National Geographic

I just saw a video today by Stanton Friedman using a piece of Bob Lazar's Area 51 footage as proof of UFO's and yet he calls Bob Lazar a fraud... What A SCHMUCK!!!!

Dr Lier says he removes alien implants and has a piece of Roswell metal... but he won't let anyone else examine these items

Phil Schneider makes all sorts of Dulce claims then pulls the stupid "Corbomite manuever"

Dulce.. even John Lear told us about this, but i find ALL the Dulce material traces source to ONE person Cherry Hinkle who told it to John

Steve Greer starts up the "Disclosure Project" where they all swear they will testify before congress... BULLPOOP Congress doesn't give a rats ass... Testify to US  Show Us what you have... put it on the table and show US the documents...

Then we discover Greer is only in it for the money and is laughing at us selling 1000.00 a pop alien moth excursions...

Sgt Wolf of the "Disclosure Project" says he saw doctored images of moon bases from Lunar Orbiter. He tells us he worked at Langley for TWO WEEKS in June 1965 as a copier repair person... Well the first Lunar Orbiter flew in Nov 1966  Cute trick huh? And the images shown along with his "testimony" are Clementine 1994 images :P

I could go on :P

QuoteThe ET hypothesis is a classic example of an enigma.  There is certainly evidence (IMO) of ET presence throughout our ancient history through cave and rock art and references in clay tablets to name but a few examples,  but a skeptic might say it's all down to how we interpret these references that makes us see what we want to see.

Yes I agree. I am pretty sure there were visits back then and I know we have had visits since... but they are scattered events and far and few between. However an Ancient Race on earth could also account for a lot of these artifacts. Take the 'light bulbs' in Egypt... they could simply be an interpretation of stories told from past civilizations. This oopart could easily be from a far past...  Does not have to be alien origin

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The Antikythera mechanism - same thing... no other artifact found that lead up to that technology... it may have been and old piece our ancestors found from a previous civilization

QuoteRemember the Face on Mars? From a certain angle it does look like a human face, yet from a different perspective it's just a few nondescript hills with shadows across them.

Yes that face on mars really is a trick of light and shadows :D but most people will believe what they want to believe.. better watch it or be called a SHILL :D

QuoteI'm with zorgon, I WANT TO SEE REAL PROOF of ET's existence, yet despite all these so called government leaks of recent years we still don't have any solid written evidence let alone pieces of wreckage, bodies or alien artifacts etc.  The question is, can a secret this BIG really be kept so tightly controlled after all these years?  The simply answer is Yes it can but only if it's core is well camouflaged with unlimited resources to plan and organize misinformation on many levels through outlets such as news, TV, Films and Books.

Theoretically it could be controlled... but it would take a tremendous effort and a huge organization to meticulously watch everything. It would be easier if TRUE ET visits were far and few between... If that is true keeping a lid on the real visits is EASY by creating thousands of fakes and hoaxes.

IF however as most believe there are hundreds of aliens buzzing around aimlessly in our skies, then it would be impossible to not have stuff leak out. Just shear numbers dictates that something solid would leak out.

So I am thinking a FEW visits are real... most other valid sightings are plasma critters or black ups... the rest are all hoaxes
   

QuotePerhaps one of the most dubious sources for the existence of ET's ' is from those who claim or alleged have/are in contact with 'aliens'.  I'm sure we can all list several known people from this category just from the top of our heads, and yet, in all my years of looking for some kind of ET proof, only ONE person (for me at least) has ever come close to giving me some hope that 'they' actually exist!.   

The internet is FILLED with people convinced that they have had contact... when questioned it usually comes out 'channeled' not actually physically met. There are thousands of lonely people who need to feel important and make all sorts of claims.. I am a Starseed, I am a Hybrid; Indigo Child; Pleaidian; etc etc  You name it they will claim it and you cannot shake them.

They usually are easy to spot... just ask a few pointed questions ;) Most researchers will tell you that MOST people who have had a real experience generally are not comfortable bragging about it.

I have a few people I believe have possibly met one... Jack Arneson, Joe Resnick come to mind :D but do I have proof? Nope just their reputation. John has never met one (not sure if he met Lou Baldwins friend :D )

QuoteBefore i mention this person, ask yourself this question, under our present world situation, what would constitute as definite proof of ET's existence for you ?

A handshake :D

QuoteWould it be a declassified military report?

That would certainly help, but it could still be psysops..

Quoteor perhaps a Whistle Blower with a high security clearance within a government department?

I have many of those on my contact list... it is STILL HEARSAY

Quoteor perhaps a video of an ET or craft?

A51Watcher has one of those... good but not as good as that handshake :D

Quoteor perhaps a major government like the UK, or France,Germany or Canada going rogue and announces to the world that ET's really exist and are already here, not that this is ever going to happen.

Won't happen but perhaps if they backed up that announcement with pictures and samples... then maybe :D

QuoteOr perhaps if you saw a UFO fly across your house one night would that constitute as real proof of their existence?

I saw one over a lake... but it could have been a black ops craft or a Critter :D To far way so it was a ball of light that moved from west to east over the lake in an undulating (wave) pattern, then suddenly reverse direction and shot up into space at high speed

Was it Aliens? no way to know... it was a true UFO and this was before I knew about black ops crafts and critters :D

QuoteThe fact is, the more we know about this multifaceted subject the less reliable all our information becomes, simply because there is so many conflicting sources of evidence that we really don't know for sure what is fact and what is fiction. Fact and fiction is one and the same, we are all tainted with it.

Proof is simple... what we have is TONS of evidence but no proof.... Put an Alien on CNN for an interview and it will be very close to proof... but in the end... NOT as good as a simple handshake :P

QuoteWith the lack of clear and concise proof it all boils down to that unscientific human feeling of gut-instinct!

My gut-instinct says they are not currently here. What people are channeling... well heck that COULD be anything, demons, imps or Loki, for all we know. Look at all those who have channeled aliens giving us a message that they will land on such and such a day... then are no shows... leaving the channeler looking the fool... Sounds like LOKI the Trickster to me :D

Quote from: Anthra on November 10, 2013, 06:14:02 PM
It is unfortunate that the others (other ETs) won't disclose themselves and at least attempt to make a real difference. I'd really like to feel that I'm not the only one that cares for Terrestrial Humans, and Earth.

Course, then again, when we do self-disclose we are branded.

It is kind of interesting: Terrestrials want ET to contact the Earth, yet when ET tries he becomes delusional. Thankfully there are small instances where the residents aren't quite so "closed".

Well it is really simple...

IF ET is here... then ET has a spaceship parked somewhere ( or some sort of dimensional travel device :P )

So WHY is it so hard for me to get a quick ride up to the Farside of the Moon for a few quick pictures?

I have asked on many forums and facebook. Considering how many people CLAIM they are in constant contact with a Myriad of assorted Alien species... whenever it come down to it there is ALWAYS and excuse (or silence) when I ask for a quick lift

WHY is that?

OH and what system are you from?

::)

Quote from: stealthyaroura on November 10, 2013, 05:59:36 PM
If we're talking what would each of us present as proof of ET as in physical evidence  I find the nazca lines fascinating well it's the part where an entire mountain to has been removed and just flattened.

That and all the famous huge stone wall sites like Machu Picchu.
What would you guys cite?

I personally would go with "Long Lost Ancient Civilization" that had the capability of flight, advance construction methods and nuclear (or similar) energy

I was studying Atlantis and Lemuria long before Aliens became the goto solution.

And if Aliens are indeed a factor... I will go with the Stargates as being the reality as opposed to hundreds of spaceships just aimlessly buzzing around our skies like bugs

Back at the old Pegasus yahoo group we had a 'visit' from someone claiming to be an ancient spirit. what  he told us was interesting and plausible :D but not Alien

The stargate portals do however provide a lot of material that also fits the old cave art etc...

Quote from: zorgon on November 11, 2013, 01:50:13 AM

IF ET is here... then ET has a spaceship parked somewhere ( or some sort of dimensional travel device :P )

So WHY is it so hard for me to get a quick ride up to the Farside of the Moon for a few quick pictures?

WHY is that?

OH and what system are you from?

You won't like the answer. I don't like the answer. Mostly because its BS.

The answer: Politics. Plain and simple exopolitical bull shyte.

My system...
I'm told Galactic Andromeda. though Gliese 67 seems a good alternate, and its much closer.


Oh yeah...http://alien.wolfmagick.com (http://alien.wolfmagick.com) ... my stuff.

Quote from: zorgon on November 11, 2013, 01:44:58 AM

Quote
or perhaps a video of an ET or craft?

A51Watcher has one of those... good but not as good as that handshake :D

I invite you for a moment to imagine it was you who had taken this footage.

Perspective changes everything.


While not a handshake, it at least rates a knock on the door.  8)

Quote from: A51Watcher on November 11, 2013, 03:12:10 AM
I invite you for a moment to imagine it was you who had taken this footage.
Perspective changes everything.

Can you tell me that an Alien was operating that craft you filmed? :D

Not that I doubt it is of alien origin but I would prefer the handshake :D

Joe and Jack say they were US Military officers uniforms... and are reptilian but look outwardly like us, save a plastic looking skin and eyes with extra lids :D

That is good enough for me to keep looking BUT in the end... its still hearsay :P

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Quote from: zorgon on November 11, 2013, 05:36:24 AM
Can you tell me that an Alien was operating that craft you filmed? :D

Not that I doubt it is of alien origin but I would prefer the handshake :D

No. Bob thinks it is humans piloting them from the 2 way radio communications he heard.

The point I am getting around to is - the Ominous factor.

In a couple of more recent interviews, Bob is asked what it was like inside the cabin of the craft.

His somber reply was "Ominous".

"It was like you were inside someplace you weren't meant to be."


I knew exactly what he meant.


Everything you see related to it, is so obviously blatantly advanced, your mind categorizes it for what it is, the property of someone entirely 'Alien' to us.


As to their origin, or current dwelling locations are up for speculation, Bob points the finger at the Zeta's based on documentation and photo's he saw while at the base.


Pim's point about their ability to breathe oxygen is well taken and must be accounted for.




 

Quote from: zorgon on November 11, 2013, 01:00:21 AM
simple...

A) Were are these samples and who analysed them?
B) much of that "evidence in abundance" was obviously faked so most people will dismiss all of it out of hand

The analyst Wendell Stevens & Co referred the stuff over too.

I'm in the middle of a mid-life crisis at the moment - I maybe absent-ish over the next month - Until then....

Quote from: Sinny on November 11, 2013, 04:21:18 PM
I'm in the middle of a mid-life crisis at the moment - I maybe absent-ish over the next month - Until then....

Having been through my own a few years ago - good luck and take care.

"Life moves in mysterious ways"

Quote from: Sinny on November 11, 2013, 04:21:18 PM
I'm in the middle of a mid-life crisis at the moment - I maybe absent-ish over the next month - Until then....

Best to You, Sinny.  [hugs]

Cheers guys - my thumbs will no doubt return to me Blackberry compulsively - but ive had to step back from my more...adventerous endeavors.. Mid stride an all  ::)

awe hon, hope it's just a hick up sinny :)
I often wonder if the phrase "mid life crisis" had not been made up
If we would suffer from such?

We've all had 'em I'm sure, and it can be a real shocker!
You take it easy, put yourself first :D you have been off at it like a machine
It's hard to keep up LOL great though.
The subject matter will still be here and we're not off nowhere.

I was thinking something similiar earlier Stealthy.. If me mid-life is 22 what does that place me death date at? Lol

Nah, just a turn of phrase. I'm moving house again, but the decisions occured 'on the bounce' after a very confusing week.

Half my surroundings, half my inability to stay satisfied or still.

Should pick me self up by pay-day ;)

Yea - my minds been restless of late - all i wanna do is create my thread about the coming financial collapse in the UK - I've found a brilliant source...

Alas - I've been working 14 hours days - I need to meditate.. 

I know! Mid life indeed :P
Bloody hell you don't get mid life crisis till ya 40 LOL
Mind you I'm eternally 39 LOL

I'm changing down a cog too as I'm a little overwhelmed with the threads I've been
hammering away at and my brain hurts!

Need to step away from the dark stuff a little hehe can only take so much with my imagination.

Good luck and chillax.
:-)

I had My MLC in My early 20's too.  At nearly 57, I haven't had it since.

Yea MLC :o Ive had a couple of them myself. First one in my early forties where i Drank an equivelant amount to the north sea and shagged my entire village. And the second one not to long ago but i wont go into that.... Lets say both were a bit on the mucky side :o
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Hey Sinny iv just come across transcripts of the entire Peter Beter audio letters but im not sure if youve already posted them?
If not il put them up.
Elvis.

Quote from: Elvis Hendrix on November 12, 2013, 04:01:24 PM
Hey Sinny iv just come across transcripts of the entire Peter Beter audio letters but im not sure if youve already posted them?
If not il put them up.
Elvis.

Please, knock your self out, and save my poor brain and eyes some strain :) 

I've done a poor job at constructing anywhere decent to put him, his introduction is in the Phoenix Journals thread, maybe the admin can move that post and my previous images and merge them with your created thread?

I suppose we should attempt to do him justice..

Peter Beter and his many audio letters.
for your perusal.
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/audioletters/audioletters.htm#menu

Elvis.
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Lol - not quite what i had in mind, but awesomeness all the same :D

Hmmmm .......


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C...

Quote from: Elvis Hendrix on November 12, 2013, 04:01:24 PM
Yea MLC :o Ive had a couple of them myself. First one in my early forties where i Drank an equivelant amount to the north sea and shagged my entire village.

Royston Vasey?  ;)

@ Cosmic, you just made me laugh out loud, the last last two pages on this thread would have been removed on some *other* site.

@ Elvis, i'm not lying when i say i've had over 110 pints of standard larger over the last 7 days (not countin the rest), 20 hours 'kip' in between...not quite a villiage, but certainly an affair to remember - ultimate blow out.

On the plus side, I've become a champion on the pool table, and flipped an incredible... Drum roll please... 50 beers mats in one catch ;)

Anyway, back to the ET Hypothesis.... Pure Misdirection?

Quote from: ArMaP on November 10, 2013, 08:04:27 PM
Nothing, I haven't seen a thing that I think is physical evidence of the presence of extra terrestrial intelligent beings on Earth. :)

And even if there is saucers flying around, or entities interacting with channellers, that still isn't going to be proof that ETs are responsible.  Think about it folks.

Copy & Paste from myself:

I have had to re-evaluate my world view when it came to light that what I already deemed as evidence of ET.. Turned out to be very Terrestrial.   

Peter Levander, John Keel, and Charles Fort have done some brilliant work, as has Peter Beter, and Frits Springmeier....
The rabbit hole is oh soo deep... and leads to oh so many strange humans.

As it stands at the moment, the only questions mark over ET I have are the large UFO's in the rest of our solar system, surrounding our sun and Saturn... However I have reason to believe those capabilities MAY be human also..