http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NHO_VeFDhw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NHO_VeFDhw)
Coronavirus Q&A | Separating fact from fiction
805,050 views•Streamed live on Jan 25, 2020
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHZ0p6y8t9E&list=LLFX6Sjncv7IWX5uHGxiSAIg&index=3&t=0s (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHZ0p6y8t9E&list=LLFX6Sjncv7IWX5uHGxiSAIg&index=3&t=0s)
News from Chinese nurse.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jk2vd_DKQ00&list=LLFX6Sjncv7IWX5uHGxiSAIg&index=2&t=0s (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jk2vd_DKQ00&list=LLFX6Sjncv7IWX5uHGxiSAIg&index=2&t=0s)
FACT OR FICTION? What say you?
"The sky is falling", "The sky is falling"...(wait....oh nevermind) ::)
Coronaviruses are common. They cause respiratory infections, usually mild. Viruses mutate. Just like the flu virus mutates. Does a general lack of hygiene exist in Wuhan? That could be part of the problem.
Hmm, difficult to get off the fence on these videos, Mav, been bombarded with too much doom porn about 2012, Nibiru, ebola, etc., so I guess I am jaded a wee bit...
It is a point of note that travel out of China has been greatly restricted and testing on the travelers is being done to try and guard against the spread of the novel virus...
Stay frosty, everyone, just to be on the safe side...
Seeker
Quote from: Shasta56 on February 01, 2020, 07:06:51 PM
Coronaviruses are common. They cause respiratory infections, usually mild. Viruses mutate. Just like the flu virus mutates. Does a general lack of hygiene exist in Wuhan? That could be part of the problem.
Exactly what Ive been thinking since this all began, So either it is hygienic in nature, perhaps the bats, maybe some other sort of nefarious explanation, but generally the Occams Razor is right for this type of ongoing event.
Le
Apparently, the virus came from a pangolin that was sold at the market, but the results are not conclusive.
Pangolins may have spread coronavirus to humans (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/feb/07/pangolins-might-have-spread-coronavirus-to-humans)
So, ummm...In preparation for making a reply to this thread, I just looked up the phrase "Doom porn," in Google images. Given that I've spent far too much of my life on 4chan, I wasn't especially traumatised by what I saw, but more sheltered individuals definitely should not try that.
(https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/001/248/cannotbeunseen.jpg)
Quote from: petrus4 on February 08, 2020, 01:36:41 PM
So, ummm...In preparation for making a reply to this thread, I just looked up the phrase "Doom porn," in Google images.
I suppose you found images related to the Doom game. :)
Who was the member that lived in China ArMap, can you recall?
Quote from: Littleenki on February 11, 2020, 02:58:50 AM
Who was the member that lived in China ArMap, can you recall?
Deuem
Quote from: The Seeker on February 11, 2020, 03:21:14 AM
Deuem
Thanks Seeker, I wonder how hes doing with all of this
Greetings Dear Ones:
Deuem is fine and has been out of China for quite some time.
Thanks for the interest.
Thanks for the info, Thor; right now anywhere in China is not a good place to be, in my humble opinion 8)
I saw a vid earlier today purportedly from a chinese billionaire, and the numbers he rolled out were totally mind blowing, 50k dead, 150 million infected, 250 million quarantined...
I sincerely hope that it is bullshit and nothing but doom porn, I really do...
::)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUF3ZN7Lzks
:o
Now I'm sure most are aware of the various Bioweapon conspiracies' floating around regarding this virus. Some strange things going on and coincidences.
Gates Foundation Simulated Exact Coronavirus Outbreak Scenario Last November With "Event 201"
http://fmshooter.com/gates-foundation-simulated-exact-coronavirus-outbreak-scenario-last-november-with-event-201/ (http://fmshooter.com/gates-foundation-simulated-exact-coronavirus-outbreak-scenario-last-november-with-event-201/)
Then there's a history of the coronavirus being worked on in Winnipeg lab and then smuggled to a level 4 lab in Wuhan...
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/did-china-steal-coronavirus-canada-and-weaponize-it (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/did-china-steal-coronavirus-canada-and-weaponize-it)
Well suddenly the Canadian scientist which is a key to the investigation turns up dead...
https://greatgameindia.com/frank-plummer-canadian-lab-scientist-key-to-coronavirus-investigation-assassinated/ (https://greatgameindia.com/frank-plummer-canadian-lab-scientist-key-to-coronavirus-investigation-assassinated/)
While these conspiracies' could very well be unrelated I find the timings very coincidental.
A few more vids...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYYV1B1lRKY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYYV1B1lRKY)
From the BBC
https://youtu.be/l8Vyy5iAoXM
https://youtu.be/3yZliBftSaM
https://youtu.be/ltYIIXJTKEc
https://youtu.be/vb4oDJ4T1kE
Quote from: Ellirium113 on February 13, 2020, 04:26:08 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUF3ZN7Lzks
Thanks for the links and information. This is becoming a very serious situation with sinister implications.
Quote from: micjer on February 13, 2020, 02:29:21 PM
Thanks for the links and information. This is becoming a very serious situation with sinister implications.
Mic,I try to be calm and not spread anything that would be construed as doom porn, but this situation is well worth keeping an eye on, especially when I see statements such as a standard surgical mask will not prevent transmission of the virus...
Are the Chinese lying about the actual numbers of cases and deaths? Probably...
I had a report yesterday that sat photos were showing what looked like piles of bodies being cremated in several locations around Wuhan before the data was restricted
and my insider sources have been ordered to keep mum, this is classified data...
Stay vigilant 8)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmwYbarOqsk
https://youtu.be/RHl8Lh67bnY
Quote from: Ellirium113 on February 13, 2020, 04:26:08 AM
Well suddenly the Canadian scientist which is a key to the investigation turns up dead...
https://greatgameindia.com/frank-plummer-canadian-lab-scientist-key-to-coronavirus-investigation-assassinated/ (https://greatgameindia.com/frank-plummer-canadian-lab-scientist-key-to-coronavirus-investigation-assassinated/)
While these conspiracies' could very well be unrelated I find the timings very coincidental.
This is concerning, it seems that many doctors and officials,
now scientists are being dissapeared.
A large complex in Hong Kong evacuated due
to fears the virus is spreading through the
pipes, that does sound enough like a bio
weapon to raise my eyebrows.
https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-hong-kong-high-rise-sewage-pipe-investigation-2020-2
Quote from: thorfourwinds on February 13, 2020, 01:52:25 AM
Greetings Dear Ones:
Deuem is fine and has been out of China for quite some time.
Thanks for the interest.
That's good to know, thanks. :)
Quote from: The Seeker on February 13, 2020, 02:21:58 AM
I saw a vid earlier today purportedly from a chinese billionaire, and the numbers he rolled out were totally mind blowing, 50k dead, 150 million infected, 250 million quarantined...
I sincerely hope that it is bullshit and nothing but doom porn, I really do...
Those numbers are scary because they point to a large infected group, but the mortality rate is only around 50% higher than for common influenza.
But, that only if this is true, which I doubt, for a very simple reason: how could they test more than 150 million people for this specific virus strain?
Looking at all the above, it makes me think that those numbers may show
all deaths reported in the last months, regardless of what caused the death.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-51603251
Coronavirus: South Korea declares highest alert as infections surge
The press is reporting that the outbreaks in Italy and South Korea have no links to China.
........so what is going on? Is this a planned epidemic by the Illuminati to cause a market manipulation, as the illuminati card game would suggest? Or a population reduction.....boy that opens up a whole other can of worms.
https://www.google.ca/search?q=illuminati+card+game&sxsrf=ALeKk00-58FrPIVDE_hPQdzKVMbs90isSw:1582554694282&tbm=isch&source=iu&ictx=1&fir=DTUKtTUBOocJBM%253A%252CTVvgSK4w4z7hHM%252C%252Fm%252F02b028&vet=1&usg=AI4_-kQ56yNzeD3IUdUp5AZTSZVpubLx0w&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiMo4_Ts-rnAhUPknIEHUxKC6YQ_B0wCnoECAoQAw&biw=1280&bih=655#imgrc=Y3-UPsAVx4Lx1M&imgdii=h-iqPyYXZAJuwM
Quote from: micjer on February 24, 2020, 03:02:00 PM
The press is reporting that the outbreaks in Italy and South Korea have no links to China.
Source, please. :)
In the last days it was known the first case of a Portuguese infected with the Corona virus, but not in Portugal, he was part of the crew of the Diamond Princess. He quarantined on the ship but, apparently, he will be brought back to Portugal.
The few suspect cases in Portugal have all tested negative.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/02/china-coronavirus-outbreak-latest-updates-200222222743195.html
The World Health Organization (WHO) said it was concerned about a rise in cases with no clear link to China - where the virus that is officially known as COVID-19 was first detected in the city of Wuhan in Hubei province in late December - and called for urgent funding to support countries with weaker health systems.
Pakistan Today posted an article yesterday that stated they had a cure for covid-19, a drug called chloroquinine phosphate , and that the Chinese govt all but blocked shipments of it; this stated that this occurred around the first week of February...
https://www.pakistantoday.com.pk/2020/02/22/akistan-provides-315000-effective-tablets-overnight-to-treat-covid-19-in-china/?fbclid=IwAR0tyhtExOlO4TQVcBZdkHHivLqpCiMIQ3uT-1S5mAPHDT0WeYqXqiMIk7s (https://www.pakistantoday.com.pk/2020/02/22/akistan-provides-315000-effective-tablets-overnight-to-treat-covid-19-in-china/?fbclid=IwAR0tyhtExOlO4TQVcBZdkHHivLqpCiMIQ3uT-1S5mAPHDT0WeYqXqiMIk7s)
My question is, if this drug is effective against the covid-19, why are the cases still increasing exponentially, and why has no mention been made of this treatment?
Oh, it is made by Bayer...
::) :o ???
Thanks for the link on this article from Pakistan.
I hope it is accurate, as a virus is hard to cure. Usually a vaccine is the best defense, as antibiotics are useless.
Quote from: The Seeker on February 25, 2020, 12:44:54 PM
Pakistan Today posted an article yesterday that stated they had a cure for covid-19, a drug called chloroquinine phosphate , and that the Chinese govt all but blocked shipments of it; this stated that this occurred around the first week of February...
I doubt that works, as that's anti malaria drug.
Some countries are treating it with anti-AIDS drugs...
QuoteAnchor: Some patients seeing eased symptoms from the novel coronavirus are reported to have been treated with medication typically used for HIV/AIDS. This has been garnering a lot of attention from the public, and some are wondering if there is enough of the drug in the country.
Park Jong-hong reports.
Report: The medicine grabbing the world's attention is coformulated lopinavir and ritonavir, produced under the brand name Kaletra and others.
The medication has been used mainly for the treatment of HIV and prevention of AIDS.
South Korean health authorities say, however, they have seen success in treating patients of the novel coronavirus with the antiretroviral and flu medications.
http://world.kbs.co.kr/service/news_view.htm?Seq_Code=151108 (http://world.kbs.co.kr/service/news_view.htm?Seq_Code=151108)
Another vaccine being developed in Houston:
QuoteHOUSTON — The chief executive of a Houston-based genetic engineering firm said his company completed a vaccine targeting the current outbreak of the coronavirus that the World Health Organization calls COVID-19.
John Price, president and CEO of Houston-based Greffex Inc., told the Houston Business Journal that Greffex's scientists completed the coronavirus vaccine this week. The vaccine should now move to animal testing by the necessary government agencies — in the U.S., that's the Food and Drug Administration. Countries impacted by the outbreak, like China and Vietnam, have their own agencies with their own clinical testing regulations.
https://www.khou.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/hbj-houston-genetic-engineering-co-completes-coronavirus-vaccine-ceo-says/285-6dcbb988-286f-4ba5-8b98-b68dc5385c49 (https://www.khou.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/hbj-houston-genetic-engineering-co-completes-coronavirus-vaccine-ceo-says/285-6dcbb988-286f-4ba5-8b98-b68dc5385c49)
In my past I was often too busy to really look into past similar viruses in any detail...or become aware of details..
but just being now older and noting some of the things on the news and how quickly changes are seeming to occur..
and having had quick look at some posts and some Alex jones...
This could have some real challenges and very fearful issues occur to what the authorites are going to ask the public to do.
then theres the conspiracy of is this when they start rounding us up in Fema type camps and prison type zones on huges scales to put the fear of god in us all or see a big part of the population off...
At the moment I really fear for the stock market unless it manages to recover .to new highs in the next month or so...
Otherwise if it does not recover initially for me by March... I fear a crash...and mass panic...
Are they going to be suggesting Forced inocculation and vaccines..
I was surprised to learn how in many certain areas of some of the technology they they have put in place that I was never aware of in airports and other places of high risk areas...
HOW does MAN continue on when almost / NO I should say .... every day ...theres some concerning news ..
that is either health concerns / environment or wars to be put on us..
one just has to try to blank things out to try to maintain ones sanity..
In the Uk I get impression that they maybe over reacting and putting severe fear into us via the media...
and making quite extreme suggestions..so .early on..
Is this thing for real or is some of it being made up to effect us in what ever way the powers that be may have decided to plan for us ?
Nice to hear from you Astro...
I am having similar thoughts to you about this whole thing.
Here are some of my questions......
What percent of people that contract the disease, end up dying and how many make a recovery?
Can you be a carrier and show no symptoms?
How many people die from just the "ordinary" flu? If there is such a thing any more>
If the release of this flu from the P4 lab in Wuhan was on purpose, what is the goal?
How does it compare to the 1918 spanish flu?
In searching for answers I stumbled on to info of the Spanish Flu.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_flu
Did not know that the swine flu of 2009 were both H1N1 viruses.
The 1918 influenza pandemic (January 1918 – December 1920; colloquially known as Spanish flu) was an unusually deadly influenza pandemic, the first of the two pandemics involving H1N1 influenza virus, with the second being the swine flu in 2009.[1] It infected 500 million people around the world,[2] or about 27% of the then world population of between 1.8 and 1.9 billion, including people on remote Pacific islands and in the Arctic. The death toll is estimated to have been 40 million to 50 million, and possibly as high as 100 million, making it one of the deadliest epidemics in human history.[3][4] Historical and epidemiological data are inadequate to identify with certainty the pandemic's geographic origin.[2]
Quote from: micjer on February 27, 2020, 12:17:22 PM
What percent of people that contract the disease, end up dying and how many make a recovery?
From the last numbers I saw in Portuguese media, from a total of 82,000 infected people, 2,800 died, a 3.4% mortality rate. Of those infected, more than 33,000 recovered.
QuoteCan you be a carrier and show no symptoms?
Probably, I think that happens with all variations of virus infections.
QuoteHow many people die from just the "ordinary" flu? If there is such a thing any more>
Apparently, only in the US, around 80,000 died of common flu in the 2017-2018 season.
QuoteIf the release of this flu from the P4 lab in Wuhan was on purpose, what is the goal?
I find it more likely that it was spread by someone with the intention of hurting Chinese economy, so I doubt it was release on purpose by the Chinese. If it was released on purpose at all.
Thanks for the answers.
Here is an interesting link.....
Woman in Japan contracts disease for the second time.
..... and summary of how disease started in Canadian lab and stolen by spys and taken to China.
https://www.redstate.com/elizabeth-vaughn/2020/02/27/coronavirus-infects-woman-for-the-second-time/
Specifically we start at Canada's National Microbiology Laboratory (NML) in Winnipeg, and with Scientific Director Dr. Frank Plummer...On May 4, 2013 the Novel Coronavirus arrived at the Canadian lab in Winnipeg.
con't on link
Now if there are any folks thinking this is fake news or a conspiracy theory here is an article from 2013 saying that Canada had coronavirus back then.
https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/health-headlines/canada-s-national-lab-has-sample-of-new-coronavirus-1.1281929
Looking at what the stock market has JUST done this last 2 weeks...
It seems to me as if this crash...is really quite severe..in short time...
its almost fallen to the low s made in June 2019....by 16.66 %...
crashes in the past have fell 16% a few times in the past..
but this one maybe one of the sharpest quickest...
I PREY this HOLDS...
becuase I REALLY think if it breaks below that level... we could see a 1929 styple crash where it goes down 50% of its value...
ie from a high of 29570 to around 15000... in a month...
that I suspect could be absolutely devastating..
although the 2008 / 09 crash did similar but over 18 months...and amazingly recovered
1920 crash took 25 yrs to recover... as it continued down much further from for 2 to 3 yrs ...from 1929high to 1932..low
I do think we may see a recovery back up to th USA elections.. with severe volitility and within a range of the last month...
Just have to see if mkt holds...this next few weeks..
Quote from: micjer on February 27, 2020, 12:17:22 PM
Nice to hear from you Astro...
I am having similar thoughts to you about this whole thing.
Here are some of my questions......
What percent of people that contract the disease, end up dying and how many make a recovery?
Can you be a carrier and show no symptoms?
How many people die from just the "ordinary" flu? If there is such a thing any more>
If the release of this flu from the P4 lab in Wuhan was on purpose, what is the goal?
How does it compare to the 1918 spanish flu?
My two cents....
I think, and I'm probably wrong, but I believe this latest health scare, and I think that's what it is, will pass.
Just like the swine flue, H1N1, Ebola.... etc, etc, etc
The markets will adjust, not without some fallout both economically and politically.
But it will return stronger....
I'm not saying people in crowded cities shouldn't take precautions, but it is what it is...
8)
Quote from: micjer on February 28, 2020, 01:47:26 PM
Now if there are any folks thinking this is fake news or a conspiracy theory here is an article from 2013 saying that Canada had coronavirus back then.
Coronavirus is not a specific virus, it's a type of virus.
QuoteCoronaviruses are a group of viruses that cause diseases in mammals and birds. In humans, coronaviruses cause respiratory tract infections that are typically mild, such as the common cold, though rarer forms such as SARS, MERS and COVID-19 can be lethal. Symptoms vary in other species: in chickens, they cause an upper respiratory tract disease, while in cows and pigs they cause diarrhea. There are yet to be vaccines or antiviral drugs to prevent or treat human coronavirus infections.
Source (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coronavirus)
It seems A PATTERN IS HERE: And I can't remember when regarding the anthrax issue.
SARS - 2004
AVIAN - 2008
SWINE - 2010
MERS - 2012
EBOLA - 2014
ZIKA - 2016
EBOLA AGAIN - 2018
CORONA - 2020
In 1976-77, we (US Army) we're forced to receive the swine Flu vaccine. It was experimental at the time. The chief of staff remarked the only side effect was a tendency to screw in the mud. The CINC was not pleased. ;D
Quote from: Sgt.Rocknroll on February 29, 2020, 01:54:05 PM
In 1976-77, we (US Army) we're forced to receive the swine Flu vaccine. It was experimental at the time. The chief of staff remarked the only side effect was a tendency to screw in the mud. The CINC was not pleased. ;D
Oh my goodness....that cracked me up!
Yes there is a chance that the markets may go right back up...even o new highs...
I have NEVER known February to be a month when markets have a major crash...
but there is always the 1st time ...
I did think if they were going to fal it could have been between Oct and Dec 2019...
and the next main cycle that I thought maybe 2021.... and still possibly 2020..
there was a decline in yr 2000 of 16 % on the Dow... and there are 20 yr cycles that repeat...
hence we have just seen it occur...
Around Mar 4th to 8th may see the start of a reversal if it declines again Monday next week...is my guess based on my cycle work...
Quote from: Sgt.Rocknroll on February 28, 2020, 11:13:08 PM
My two cents....
I think, and I'm probably wrong, but I believe this latest health scare, and I think that's what it is, will pass.
Just like the swine flue, H1N1, Ebola.... etc, etc, etc
The markets will adjust, not without some fallout both economically and politically.
But it will return stronger....
I'm not saying people in crowded cities shouldn't take precautions, but it is what it is...
8)
Sorry tried to ammend my post but missed the deadline as I got distracted...
Yes there is a chance that the markets may go right back up...even to new highs...
I have NEVER known February to be a month when markets have a major crash... I think in the past either early year decines have been January or March...as in 2000
but there is always the 1st time ...
I did think if they were going to fall it could have been between from Sept / Oct and or Dec 2019...
and the next main cycle that I thought maybe 2021.... and still possibly 2020..
there was a decline in yr 2000 of 16 % on the Dow... and there are 20 yr cycles that repeat...
hence we have just seen it occur...
Around Mar 3rd /4th to 8th maybe some other pivots around 16th may see the start of a reversal if it declines again Monday next week...is my guess based on my cycle work...
IF it tops around Mar 3rd.... after a rerally...which it started to attempt in the last 15 to 20 mins on Friday..
I am quite fearful it may well decline quite severe again..maybe to a 20 to 30 % decline from the 29570 top..
Its maybe the biggest weeks decline ever.... the higher the Markets go...usualy the bigger declines..
so 16.66 % decline from the recent highs are much bigger than when markets were at lower highs back in 2000 and 2007/8/9
this is the years chart... a LONG slow move up from low in Dec 2018
(https://api.wsj.net/api/kaavio/charts/big.chart?nosettings=1&symb=djia&uf=0&type=2&size=2&sid=1643&style=320&freq=1&entitlementtoken=0c33378313484ba9b46b8e24ded87dd6&time=9&rand=1266327734&compidx=&ma=0&maval=9&lf=1&lf2=0&lf3=0&height=335&width=579&mocktick=1)
this is the last 12 months
(https://api.wsj.net/api/kaavio/charts/big.chart?nosettings=1&symb=djia&uf=0&type=2&size=2&sid=1643&style=320&freq=1&entitlementtoken=0c33378313484ba9b46b8e24ded87dd6&time=8&rand=183730042&compidx=&ma=0&maval=9&lf=1&lf2=0&lf3=0&height=335&width=579&mocktick=1)
this is last 10 days
(https://api.wsj.net/api/kaavio/charts/big.chart?nosettings=1&symb=djia&uf=0&type=2&size=2&sid=1643&style=320&freq=7&entitlementtoken=0c33378313484ba9b46b8e24ded87dd6&time=18&rand=1084707279&compidx=&ma=0&maval=9&lf=1&lf2=0&lf3=0&height=335&width=579&mocktick=1)
this was last day on 28th where you see a pull back in last 20 mins...
It has Not as yet hit the target I expected but it was within 50 points..
so it may try for another low on Sunday or Monday (Mkts on Futures open late sunday 23.00 hrs UK time )
(https://api.wsj.net/api/kaavio/charts/big.chart?nosettings=1&symb=djia&uf=0&type=2&size=2&sid=1643&style=320&freq=9&entitlementtoken=0c33378313484ba9b46b8e24ded87dd6&time=1&rand=669693693&compidx=&ma=0&maval=9&lf=1&lf2=0&lf3=0&height=335&width=579&mocktick=1)
https://bigcharts.marketwatch.com/quickchart/quickchart.asp?symb=djia
GOLD made new highs to 1680 on 24th Feb and fell to 1580 last week...
(https://api.wsj.net/api/kaavio/charts/big.chart?nosettings=1&symb=GOLD&uf=0&type=2&size=2&sid=200021869&style=320&freq=1&entitlementtoken=0c33378313484ba9b46b8e24ded87dd6&time=8&rand=1913913023&compidx=&ma=0&maval=9&lf=1&lf2=0&lf3=0&height=335&width=579&mocktick=1)
I wrote a post back in July / Aug for Zorgon suggesting it may rally ...so far its been a good move up..
It sadans me he is was not able to of acted on it and prosper..
(https://api.wsj.net/api/kaavio/charts/big.chart?nosettings=1&symb=GOLD&uf=0&type=2&size=2&sid=200021869&style=320&freq=1&entitlementtoken=0c33378313484ba9b46b8e24ded87dd6&time=9&rand=1008596994&compidx=&ma=0&maval=9&lf=1&lf2=0&lf3=0&height=335&width=579&mocktick=1)
Quote from: Sgt.Rocknroll on February 28, 2020, 11:13:08 PM
My two cents....
I think, and I'm probably wrong, but I believe this latest health scare, and I think that's what it is, will pass.
Just like the swine flue, H1N1, Ebola.... etc, etc, etc
The Corona flap is like every other. It's a panic believed in and propagated by idiots who don't think critically.
The psychopaths who engineer these things always follow the same modus operandi. They don't want them to be sufficiently lethal or virulent that they genuinely lose control; they just want the virus to kill off a few thousand members of the elderly with already compromised immune systems, and that by itself will reliably cause a stampede within the proverbial mindless herd. Then you get Boris promising to shred whatever small pretense of political freedom still hypothetically exists in the UK in order to combat it, and the French government doing the same. Mission accomplished.
QuoteCoronavirus Cases:
86,993
Deaths:
2,979
Recovered:
42,360
Source. (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
That's pretty much all you need to know. A disease with well under 100,000 global cases, less than 3,000 global deaths, and roughly a 50% recovery rate. From what I've read, the virus is like HIV, in the sense that it doesn't even kill people directly by itself; it complicates into secondary pneumonia.
If you want to be terrified, at least be afraid of something that actually matters.
A little more analysis on Corona, if you're interested. Again according to [this](https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/), while the linear curve still looks scary, the logarithmic curve for the number of deaths is already starting to flatten; the keypoint or 50% point was back at the beginning of February. Of all closed cases, the mortality rate is also only 6%.
This is an empty story, people. A panic which will ultimately go nowhere.
One of the most important characteristics of being a conspiracy theorist, is learning to discern which conspiracies are actually worthy of your time; and this one is not.
As they used to say on Slashdot...
"Nothing to see here. Move along."
https://www.facebook.com/chace1988/videos/10157752446686211/UzpfSTEwMDAwNTM3ODExNjM2NjoxMjYxODg1MDkwNjY3NDE2/?id=100005378116366&__tn__=%2CdlC-R-R&eid=ARB3bxNfOnNTuR_BghadhwWDpmnrbKJMWDlPk1DKQNVYkwJAyrIU7Mivw51dLJIB4CcU6qEg0Gvfepg7&hc_ref=ARRrCo51tPrRl8YfYr03vyLI0XO4Vr6bRUaFoysJzw4GQRU3UUjo2-wQNR9bEy33wBI
Hope You are all well?, and see the funny side of that.
They sure can control the masses with a dose of fear.
Kevin
One (possibly last, but no guarantees) other general point, here.
The more deadly a virus is, the more rapidly it is guaranteed to burn itself out.
This is because a virus which kills its' host very quickly, is a virus with a much smaller chance of spreading to another host, before its' existing host dies; in which case, the virus itself dies with it.
A good example of an intelligent, stable, and therefore successful virus, is the UNIX operating system. UNIX was invented in 1969, and is (at least to my knowledge) the longest lived computer operating system in continued operation. UNIX is starting to lose its' edge to a degree at this point, because a lot of Linux people are removing or diluting its' key evolutionary advantages; but the point is that as a virus, UNIX has survived for 51 years, for two main reasons.
a} It has a relatively low barrier to entry.
Again, modern Linux distributions are destroying this advantage, but the earliest versions of UNIX ran on a computer with similar capacity to the Commodore 64; a computer so named because it had 64 kilobytes of overall memory. For those of you who don't know, that's a small amount. There are either recent or old Linux distributions in existence, which can run at just about every computer power or performance level in existence; from the IBM XT or 286, up to mainframes.
This is an ideal characteristic for a virus. A virus which wants to survive, needs to be able to spread itself to as many different hosts as possible, because the greater number of hosts it has, the less chance it has of becoming extinct.
b} Even more than not being detrimental, it offers actual benefits to its' host.
Although, again, this characteristic is currently being lost to a degree, for a long time the various UNIX strains (Linux and the BSDs, and earlier the commercial versions) were generally the most robust and stable operating systems in existence; infinitely moreso than Windows, and this was true while being small and efficient, and thus maintaining the low barrier to entry already mentioned. As a result, it was very desirable in environments where guaranteed service was needed, for a very long time.
Smart viruses operate according to the principle of mutual benefit. The cleverest and most successful viruses, are those which are sufficiently beneficial to their hosts, that we don't even classify them as viruses at all; because we normally only associate the word "virus" with an entity that is parasitic or non-reciprocal. Granted, to a certain extent I'm being metaphorical here, and Armap will no doubt helpfully remind me of what the strict biological definition of a virus is, and how what I am talking about does not meet that definition; but my point still stands.
Any virus which is lethal must, by definition, eventually cease to exist. It might take a while, and it might take an unspecified number of people with it; but if it kills its' hosts, eventually it will find itself in a situation where there are no other hosts available, so when its' current host dies, it will die with it. Stable viruses are non-lethal viruses, because being non-lethal allows a large number of hosts to co-exist at once, and also allows said hosts to reproduce, so that new hosts will become available.
This whole thing may be totally overblown, but the power of fear is showing itself this am with stock markets crashing, price of oil plummeting and 16 million people quarantined in Italy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xdfnuBfriM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNc22VD4phk
Quote from: micjer on March 09, 2020, 06:11:45 PM
This whole thing may be totally overblown, but the power of fear is showing itself this am with stock markets crashing, price of oil plummeting and 16 million people quarantined in Italy.
That is exactly what they want. Broccoli was unavailable at the local supermarket last night, for the first time in my life. Not just unusually expensive; simply not there at all.
The virus itself hardly needs to do anything, in reality. All they need is a couple of news reports, and then fear will do the rest.
(https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/89039895_670709477034500_6268853446841991168_n.jpg?_nc_cat=102&_nc_sid=8024bb&_nc_ohc=aRIv2hBBv9cAX8yNnSI&_nc_ht=scontent-atl3-1.xx&oh=4f1fd1893abba189349e4a735f2933b6&oe=5E94AE98) Happens every election year: DOOM Porn to stir up shit...
::)
Seeker
What is the reason for such fear this time????
Now all of Italy is in lockdown....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VK0-A6pyNs4
Quote from: micjer on March 10, 2020, 04:01:02 AM
What is the reason for such fear this time????
That is the one question here, which I think is genuinely interesting.
Quote from: petrus4 on March 10, 2020, 07:01:02 AM
That is the one question here, which I think is genuinely interesting.
It seems this is the question on a lot of minds. Our attention is being diverted for some reason.
Quote from: micjer on March 10, 2020, 04:01:02 AM
What is the reason for such fear this time????
Now all of Italy is in lockdown....
Italy has the worst mortality rate, at 6.22% today.
It's also the country with the highest percentage of people infected, with 167.9 cases for each million.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHLnIlnDfIc
(Breaking News. NY National Guard takes over Containment of New Rochelle, NY and parts of Westchester
https://www.indiatoday.in/trending-news/story/this-book-predicted-2020-coronavirus-outbreak-12-years-ago-trending-now-1652433-2020-03-04
This is a strange but true prediction.
https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-act-today-or-people-will-die-f4d3d9cd99ca
Lengthy but informative look at the statistic and probability side of the disease for those that are interested.
Early containment and quarantine is the key to suppressing this disease.
So cases of Influenza deaths in the US could actually have died from COVID-19 over the last few months it seems.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1238111898828066823 (https://twitter.com/i/status/1238111898828066823)
'Where was your patient zero?' Chinese official speculates AMERICANS may have infected Wuhan at army games & calls to 'come clean' QuoteChinese foreign ministry spokesman Geng Shuang wouldn't comment on Friday about remarks made by colleague Zhao Lijian. Instead, the ministry official stated that the international community had differing opinions about the origin of the Covid-19, Reuters reported. Geng also chose not to discuss whether Zhao's theory — that it may have been the US military that brought the deadly disease to Wuhan — matched Beijing's official position.
Geng had earlier lashed out at Washington for claiming that Beijing had engaged in a "cover-up" to hide the outbreak, widely believed to have begun in China's Hubei province. He told reporters that now was the time to "come together to fight [the virus] instead of leveling accusations and attacks against each other, which is not constructive at all."
The theory put forward by Geng's colleague on Thursday caused a flurry of activity on social media. In a tweet, Zhao shared a video of Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) director Robert Redfield apparently disclosing that the US had several deaths from coronavirus before they were able to test for it.
https://www.rt.com/news/482990-china-coronavirus-us-come-clean/ (https://www.rt.com/news/482990-china-coronavirus-us-come-clean/)
Many things may be possible.. its hard to say how it all started etc..
but
On a TV new program earlier today in the UK..
Someone from the U.K was being interviewed from Italy and they said that residents in Italy (not sure if just in certain areas or the whole country) now have to have certificates to say that they are free from the Corona Virus to pass certain areas that are Road blocks by the Police...even when going to Work..
They say Italy is 1 month ahead of the UK and maybe other Euro countries.
I just find the whole thing too hard to believe just how far they are gone with this ..
Donald Trump has maybe done the right thing by stopping flights from the EU..
Its being suggested other countries iNc UK were / are slow and behind in how they react.
I believe that there are about 780 case in the UK and 11 deaths so far.
BUT I also suspect maybe that many could die just on every day colds and Flu in reation to the elderly.
So it just seems so extreme.
I am not aware of such similar cases in the past. or Have I overlooked past cases..
Seeing the Markets crash as they have is something that I donot think has ever occurred with any other viruses in the past at least within the last 200 yrs...
A Major concern for me is today someone told me that they are aiming to create a vaccine..
Depending upon ones views on Vaccines...
Will it be optional or compulsary ???
Some no doubt suggest its Bill Gates behind it...
I would surmise it's probably a lot further spread than anyone realizes and that it has gone on undiagnosed for what it is likely since the beginning of the flu season.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPpzHYKpndk
From the Space Coast of Florida. People making runs on toilet paper, bread, gloves, hand sanitizer, some of our shelves going bare. Panic. My time in the military taught me to always be prepared, so we are good. Theme parks, cruise lines and such are shutting down to limit the spread. I spent 20 years working in the germ-infested jail in our county. We had serious protocols to protect ourselves from bodily fluids and interactions with our so-called client. If people would get back to regular hygiene and exercise common sense, there wouldn't be panic.
Quote from: ArMaP on March 10, 2020, 09:57:46 PM
Italy has the worst mortality rate, at 6.22% today.
It's also the country with the highest percentage of people infected, with 167.9 cases for each million.
Hey man. I just want you to know i did not forget our past threads. im just givein time. And I dont have the time.
about the cov i think you should see the borders. russia ok; they closed it but india not. so... i am not a bigot guy but think about it.
PS. , you wrong about AI and you wrong about breakthrough civilization and you wrong. thats the message. Love you. dont ban me.
Did you folks see this? https://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2020/mar/10/wuhan-closes-last-makeshift-coronavirus-hospital-video
Cheers,
Fans'
Quote from: spacemaverick on March 14, 2020, 01:27:37 AM
From the Space Coast of Florida. People making runs on toilet paper, bread, gloves, hand sanitizer, some of our shelves going bare.
Toilet paper has been sold out here for nearly a week.
The reason why I view said behaviour with contempt, is because for the most part in my observation, the only products that have experienced this, are both toilet paper, and an extremely narrow range of items which are stereotypically associated with prepping or survivalism as subcultures. Rice, beans, lentils, flour. Spices, sauces, and numerous other things which can still have a shelf life of years are still there.
This tells me that these people are not buying these items for their practical utility; but are making said purchases due to group conformity, and/or because they have been advised to do so by the evening news. I have been a member of the prepping and survivalism subs on Reddit for probably three years, and I have also been buying rice and canned food as a normal practice for that long; but I have never done it because of herd mentality. I do it because I genuinely intend to use those products for food, and frequently do so.
Because of this stupidity, I was tonight able to buy paper towels, serviettes, and packets of tissues which will substitute very effectively for toilet paper. Due to the current shortage, we have maybe five days' worth of toilet paper left at our current rate of consumption, and have been unable to replenish it.
I am trying very hard to refrain from feeling misanthropy; but I am genuinely tired at this point, of being a member of a species which I consider suicidally stupid and degenerate.
Herd mentality.
The news was interviewing a woman who was putting 5, 24-to a bundle bags of toilet paper into the back of her car. She was mad that there were so many people buying it ahead of her.
The news woman asked her why she was buying so much.....
She said because everyone else was.
Then she said that there was only her and her 2 boys in her family. She figured she had enough for 2 and a half years.
Go figure!!!!!
I went to our local grocery yesterday afternoon, just to get bread. It was a madhouse. The parking lot was full, the checkout lines were the length of the store. But they had everything. It was well stocked. Plenty of meat and can goods.
BUT.....
There was no bread!!! >:(
One guy had a grocery cart full of cases of beer....and....pop tarts.....people are Nuts!...
I went early this morning to get....what?....bread....Eureka!...plenty of bread....
So all is not lost...
8)
Quote from: petrus4 on March 14, 2020, 09:53:08 AM
Toilet paper has been sold out here for nearly a week.
The reason why I view said behaviour with contempt, is because for the most part in my observation, the only products that have experienced this, are both toilet paper, and an extremely narrow range of items which are stereotypically associated with prepping or survivalism as subcultures. Rice, beans, lentils, flour. Spices, sauces, and numerous other things which can still have a shelf life of years are still there.
This tells me that these people are not buying these items for their practical utility; but are making said purchases due to group conformity, and/or because they have been advised to do so by the evening news. I have been a member of the prepping and survivalism subs on Reddit for probably three years, and I have also been buying rice and canned food as a normal practice for that long; but I have never done it because of herd mentality. I do it because I genuinely intend to use those products for food, and frequently do so.
Because of this stupidity, I was tonight able to buy paper towels, serviettes, and packets of tissues which will substitute very effectively for toilet paper. Due to the current shortage, we have maybe five days' worth of toilet paper left at our current rate of consumption, and have been unable to replenish it.
I am trying very hard to refrain from feeling misanthropy; but I am genuinely tired at this point, of being a member of a species which I consider suicidally stupid and degenerate.
BAM, you nailed it Petrus..!!
https://youtu.be/qXNS-Sx-7WU?t=819
I know some of you might have reservations about listening to channelled material. I have been listening to Kryon for years now. He has some very interesting things to say about the Corona virus.
Although he was understandably reluctant to go into concrete specifics, the implication seems to be that Corona was in fact a targetted biological attack. If you look here (https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/685d0ace521648f8a5beeeee1b9125cd), you will notice that the three countries with the largest Corona infections are China, Iran, and Italy. I only looked this up after Kryon mentioned the distance between China and the next largest infection zone.
Quote from: micjer on March 13, 2020, 03:34:25 AM
https://www.indiatoday.in/trending-news/story/this-book-predicted-2020-coronavirus-outbreak-12-years-ago-trending-now-1652433-2020-03-04
This is a strange but true prediction.
Only true if the second part is also true, and we have to wait to know that. :)
PS: predicting something like this is nothing special, as it has happened from time to time.
Quote from: astr0144 on March 13, 2020, 10:47:26 PM
Someone from the U.K was being interviewed from Italy and they said that residents in Italy (not sure if just in certain areas or the whole country) now have to have certificates to say that they are free from the Corona Virus to pass certain areas that are Road blocks by the Police...even when going to Work..
This is what the decree from the presidency of the minister's council (DPCM) says:
QuoteThe Official Gazette published the dpcm in the night 'I will stay at home which is in force from today to 3 April. The rules are valid throughout Italy:
1) any form of gathering of people in public places or open to the public is prohibited;
2) sporting events and competitions are suspended, except for international ones which may take place behind closed doors;
3) outdoor sports are allowed as long as the distance of one meter between people is respected;
4) the movement of natural persons (not goods) should be avoided except for "proven working needs or situations of necessity or health reasons". Return home is allowed;
5) who has more than 37.5 degrees of fever is "strongly recommended" to stay at home;
6) who is in quarantine must remain at home;
7) facilitate holidays and leave for employees;
8 ) the ski resorts are closed;
9) events are suspended, including cultural, recreational, sporting, religious and fair events;
10) activities in kindergartens, schools, universities are suspended;
11) civil and religious ceremonies are suspended, including funerals;
12) restaurant and bar activities are allowed from 6 to 18, but a meter distance between people must be kept;
13) other commercial activities are permitted as long as the distance of one meter is respected;
14) on festive and pre-holiday days, medium and large sales structures are closed (for example shopping centers and markets);
15) the activities of gyms, sports centers, swimming pools, spas, social and recreational centers are suspended;
16) the exams to the Civil Motorization are suspended.
QuoteThey say Italy is 1 month ahead of the UK and maybe other Euro countries.
What does that mean? 1 month ahead in what? ???
QuoteDonald Trump has maybe done the right thing by stopping flights from the EU..
That only works when the disease has not entered the country, when it has entered the country that will be a small contribution to slow the progress of the disease. Not allowing it to spread from individual to individual is the best tactic.
QuoteI believe that there are about 780 case in the UK and 11 deaths so far.
Apparently, 798 cases and 11 deaths.
QuoteA Major concern for me is today someone told me that they are aiming to create a vaccine..
Depending upon ones views on Vaccines...
Will it be optional or compulsary ???
I'm not against vaccines, I'm only against compulsory things. :)
QuoteSome no doubt suggest its Bill Gates behind it...
The idiots...
Quote from: RUSSO on March 14, 2020, 06:41:57 AM
Hey man. I just want you to know i did not forget our past threads. im just givein time. And I dont have the time.
Time hasn't been on my side either, but I am a patient person. :)
Quoteabout the cov i think you should see the borders. russia ok; they closed it but india not. so... i am not a bigot guy but think about it.
Then why does Iran have so many cases? Is it that easy to travel to Iran?
QuotePS. , you wrong about AI and you wrong about breakthrough civilization and you wrong. thats the message. Love you. dont ban me.
Time will tell. And no, I will not ban you. :)
On Thursday I went to the closest supermarket to try to buy some frozen broccoli (my favourite vegetable), but there was none. No broccoli, no peas, no Brussel sprouts, all the frozen vegetables were gone. I didn't notice if the fresh vegetables were also gone, but I don't think so, as they are close to the entrance and nothing caught my attention when I entered.
Some hours later the Portuguese government decided to put in practice some measures to try to control the situation:
- Restaurants and similar should reduce their capacity in 1/3;
- Discotheques and similar are closed;
- Supermarkets, shopping centres, gyms, etc. should control the number of people they let in to allow for a one metre empty space between people;
- Schools are closed;
- No visits to nursing homes, hospitals and prisons;
- Easier rules for the health related buying of supplies and staff admission, with suspension of working time limits;
- People that have to stay at home to take care of children that are not at school under 12 years old are compared to people staying at home to take care of a sick child, receiving 66% of their salary (33% from the Social Security and 33% from their employer);
- Forced quarantine is considered equivalent to sick leave, so the people that are forced by the health authorities to be quarantined get their full salary from the Social Security;
- Postponing of the deadlines for several tax payments that are due in the next two or three months;
- Credit lines to help companies that had to close due to this situation;
- Official documents that expire during this period will still be accepted by the state.
As a consequence, the above mentioned supermarket decided to close at 19:00 instead of 21:00 (making it impossible for me to go shopping there, as I'm still at work at that time) and today, when my sister went there, they are limiting access to 30 people at a time inside the store, although they are doing it a way that is not easy to understand, even for the people that work there, as they did not know if they should enter by the same access as the customers or not.
So, today we are at 169 cases (no deaths and one two recovered), with 57 new cases, with lots of confusion, but life goes on (almost) as usual. :)
It sounds like the basic things to do are: wash hands frequently, avoid touching the face (specially the mouth, nose and eyes), avoid touching other people and try to keep a distance of at least one metre from other people.
PS: yesterday, like I do everyday, I went for a walk after getting out from work, and, like I do all Fridays, I went for a longer (6 km) walk around town. I saw that most large restaurants were almost empty (one was closed, with a notice on the window stating that, according to a significant number of employees, they decided to close), while the smaller ones were maybe at half capacity.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NiQKvfo3l94
Psychologists apparently think it's because people want to tell themselves that they've done something about a situation that they have no real control over.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rrupuhy-660
Another interesting video about the virus from Brad Johnson here, as well.
So much info to sift through.
So if they come along with a vaccine for this covid-19 virus, what percentage of the population will willingly be lined up to get their shot???
I have seen some info suggesting strongly against doing so.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVw9KZ2DwJk&feature=emb_logo
Quote from: micjer on March 14, 2020, 08:11:10 PM
So much info to sift through.
So if they come along with a vaccine for this covid-19 virus, what percentage of the population will willingly be lined up to get their shot???
I have seen some info suggesting strongly against doing so.....
My mother is a massive intellectual snob, and basically views doctors as a secular priesthood. As I may have mentioned, I have lost a kidney due to medical malpractice, so my attitude towards them is the opposite...but if any of the local GPs request that my mother be given a Covid 19 shot, then not only will she take it, but it will be very difficult for me to avoid doing so as well.
Also, Bill Gates is a screaming, Napoleonic, eugenicist psychopath who masquerades as a philanthropist. I was born two years after Microsoft was founded. I've grown up with DOS and Windows, and I've seen what they tried to do to Linux, as well. I can say with confidence that Gates is one of the most thoroughly, deliberately evil human beings currently alive today.
Quote from: micjer on March 14, 2020, 08:11:10 PM
I have seen some info suggesting strongly against doing so.....
The paranoia of some guy on the Internet is no reason to avoid vaccination. :)
The old method of pointing to facts and mixing them with wishful thinking doesn't turn the wishful thinking into reality, it only helps to fool people into believing their wishful thinking.
Quote from: petrus4 on March 14, 2020, 08:25:29 PM
I've grown up with DOS and Windows, and I've seen what they tried to do to Linux, as well.
I saw it from a Microsoft partner point of view, as the company I work received for some time information from Microsoft, including how to convince potential clients that Linux was not for them. It was only a commercial problem that got sidetracked when Microsoft decided to make an official version (there was already a partial, non-official version, Mono) of the .Net framework to work in Linux and, after that, to make SQL Server work in Linux.
To petrus4 point, I don't trust Gates, his and Melinda's Foundation on any level, or any of the Elites and associated Foundations.
This YT link I found interesting and gave me an insight into good ol' Bill's mindset when it comes to his "vision" - >:( >:(
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vzFeiKH1jQ
Cheers,
Fans'
Quote from: fansongecho on March 14, 2020, 11:54:08 PM
This YT link I found interesting and gave me an insight into good ol' Bill's mindset when it comes to his "vision" - >:( >:(
What's the problem with reducing the rate of the population growth through better health care and living standards?
Hi ArMap, :)
I do not believe that it is Gates's intention for those of us he sees as useless eaters. :o
Scroll down to the bottom of this link - I also do not believe in coincidences on this scale. ::)
http://www.centerforhealthsecurity.org/event201/players/index.html ;)
Cheers,
F
**EDIT - Useful list of outbreaks compiled by the WHO at the link below. https://www.who.int/csr/don/archive/year/en/
Quote from: fansongecho on March 15, 2020, 04:11:33 AM
I do not believe that it is Gates's intention for those of us he sees as useless eaters. :o
How do you know that he sees some of us as useless eaters and, if you know he does, how do you know which ones does he see as useless eaters?
QuoteScroll down to the bottom of this link - I also do not believe in coincidences on this scale. ::)
http://www.centerforhealthsecurity.org/event201/players/index.html ;)
I don't see that as a coincidence. As they say, pandemic diseases are becoming more common than before (which is natural, seeing that the Earth's population is growing and the people's mobility is also increasing, facilitating the spreading of contagious diseases) and they affect commerce, so being prepared is what people should do.
I find it interesting that some people consider a good idea to be prepared for an emergency, but if large companies/organisations/governments do it they consider it suspicious. :)
As much as I know that you love a great debate ArMap, I am going to kindly decline the invitation today my friend, I have some basketball to catch-up on and I am very happy with my comments above yours without feeling the need to justify my comments or beliefs' or research path. ;D
I am indeed more than happy for anyone to challenge me with anything I post on here bud but I won't be getting into a drawn-out pixel for pixel argument over my reasoning today. :)
Have a cracking Sunday, catch you soon. ;)
Cheers!
Fans'
They are asking all over 70 here in the UK to self isolate.
I will undertake this by self isolating to lakeside or canal embankment with lots of fishing tackle and baits, and beer.
Has everyone gone bonkers?
It's a flu.
Kevin
Quote from: kevin on March 15, 2020, 04:59:29 PM
Has everyone gone bonkers?
It's a flu.
Yes, it's a flu, but a flu that, in the last 24 hours, killed 368 people in Italy.
Quote from: kevin on March 15, 2020, 04:59:29 PM
Has everyone gone bonkers?
We're less than three years away from the end of a Strauss-Howe twenty year Iron Age. We are also currently under the influence of one of the most negative astrological events known to exist; the Pluto/Saturn conjunction in Capricorn.
It is therefore entirely to be expected, that between now and 2023, we will see levels of entropic degeneracy that are potentially without precedent in human history, to the point of threatening the long term continued viability of humanity (and other forms of life on the planet) itself.
Putting it more simply, yes, the world has gone mad.
Quote from: ArMaP on March 15, 2020, 05:38:54 PM
Yes, it's a flu, but a flu that, in the last 24 hours, killed 368 people in Italy.
I would recommend You study 60 ghz radiation, and how it blocks oxygen been absorbed by o2.
this is a depopulation agenda.
it is not what You BELIEVE, it is an electronic attack.
Kevin
Quote from: petrus4 on March 15, 2020, 07:01:13 PM
We're less than three years away from the end of a Strauss-Howe twenty year Iron Age. We are also currently under the influence of one of the most negative astrological events known to exist; the Pluto/Saturn conjunction in Capricorn.
It is therefore entirely to be expected, that between now and 2023, we will see levels of entropic degeneracy that are potentially without precedent in human history, to the point of threatening the long term continued viability of humanity (and other forms of life on the planet) itself.
Putting it more simply, yes, the world has gone mad.
Exactly, but those who remain sane must try to see through the madness, it is a question of knowledge and been able to shield oneself from harmful frequencies.
The combination of inputs into this planets consciousness field will create this situation, and then those who think of themselves as gods will utilise current technology to cull the population.
When one wants to kill animals one must herd them together, and get them to do as required.
Kevin
Quote from: kevin on March 15, 2020, 07:31:46 PM
I would recommend You study 60 ghz radiation, and how it blocks oxygen been absorbed by o2.
O2 is Oxygen. ???
Quotethis is a depopulation agenda.
Who's agenda?
Quoteit is not what You BELIEVE, it is an electronic attack.
An electronic attack on specific individuals? Or a generic attack that only affects some?
Quote from: ArMaP on March 15, 2020, 10:11:15 PM
O2 is Oxygen. ???
Who's agenda?
An electronic attack on specific individuals? Or a generic attack that only affects some?
o2 is a molecule, it is not o.
the electrons binding two o together to form o2 is what 60 ghz spin to stop the transfer of o.
thus living entities will show flu like symptons but have dry coughs and lungs, it is the frequencies been used to kill.
That's why they will confine everyone near to transmitters in the home.
You cannot catch a virus.
Kevin
First coronavirus vaccine trial in the US is recruiting volunteers
Researchers in Seattle have begun recruiting healthy volunteers to participate in a clinical trial for an experimental COVID-19 vaccine, according to news reports.
The vaccine, developed by the biotechnology company Moderna Therapeutics, was initially sent to the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID) in Maryland on Feb. 24, according to The Wall Street Journal. The agency anticipates launching a clinical trial by the end of April and will sponsor the Kaiser Permanente Washington Health Research Institute to conduct the testing, NIAID Director Anthony Fauci told The Wall Street Journal.
Forty-five healthy volunteers between the ages of 18 and 55 will be enrolled in the initial trial, which aims to determine whether the vaccine triggers an immune response, and whether the given dose causes adverse side effects, according to a description on ClinicalTrials.gov.
https://www.livescience.com/us-coronavirus-vaccine-trial-recruiting.html
Seems a little odd that there is a vaccine available this quickly ..... .hmmm
Any chance this is an orchestrated event.....
Just saying.
Vaccines previously .......
A vaccine works by training the immune system to recognize and combat pathogens, either viruses or bacteria. To do this, certain molecules from the pathogen must be introduced into the body to trigger an immune response. These molecules are called antigens, and they are present on all viruses and bacteria.Nov 22, 2019
Now this new biotech vaccine is going after the messenger RNA in your body..
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RNA
Here is my concern, do we want to be injecting a vaccine into our bodies that has the ability to change our RNA.....or potentially our DNA.
My gut tells me that the PTB will not be lining up to take it let alone be a test subject.
Anybody else looking down this rabbit hole?
Gates-funded program will soon offer home-testing kits for new coronavirus
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/health/gates-funded-program-will-soon-offer-home-testing-kits-for-new-coronavirus/
Testing for the novel coronavirus in the Seattle area will get a huge boost in the coming weeks as a project funded by Bill Gates and his foundation begins offering home-testing kits that will allow people who fear they may be infected to swab their noses and send the samples back for analysis.
Results, which should be available in one to two days, will be shared with local health officials who will notify those who test positive. Via online forms, infected people can answer questions about their movements and contacts, making it easier for health officials to locate others who may need to be tested or quarantined, as well as to track the virus' spread and identify possible hot spots.
Meanwhile... ...in Germany
- https://nationalpost.com/news/world/germany-tries-to-stop-u-s-poaching-german-firm-seeking-coronavirus-vaccine
and I was looking into the patent story doing the rounds, it is not the virus type that had a patent against it, this was a different variant of the Covid type.
Also it seems Billy-boy Gates and Mel do fund the UK Pirbright Institue BUT not the patented work.
https://fullfact.org/online/wuhan-virus-patent-gates/
Still more panic buying in the UK today. *shakes-head*
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Th4Xydrv-TQ
Cheers,
Fans'
That's a crazy line into Costco.
This panic buying is like a grass fire feeding on itself. As the shelves get stripped bare more panic is created by the people that can't get what they want. More orders to distributors / manufacturers that can't keep up. Relax people..... :o
Quote from: kevin on March 16, 2020, 07:22:37 AM
That's why they will confine everyone near to transmitters in the home.
Transmitters? Of what?
Quote from: micjer on March 16, 2020, 03:52:20 PM
Here is my concern, do we want to be injecting a vaccine into our bodies that has the ability to change our RNA.....or potentially our DNA.
Vaccines do not change our RNA or our DNA, they use parts (or the full) RNA or DNA from the virus so our antibodies recognise it during and infection and react accordingly.
Today we (Portugal) got our first death related to Covid-19, an 81 (he would be 82 in a month) man that already had serious respiratory problems.
Quote from: micjer on March 16, 2020, 03:44:06 PM
Seems a little odd that there is a vaccine available this quickly ..... .hmmm
Any chance this is an orchestrated event.....
Just saying.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqRgwoe668M
I had not seen that clip before. Yes very good.
Fear is the ultimate weapon...
And yes there is an end goal in mind.
Quote from: ArMaP on March 16, 2020, 09:37:38 PM
Transmitters? Of what?
https://ourgreaterdestiny.org/2020/02/5g-60-ghz-oxygen-absorption-you-and-coronavirus/
Kevin
Quote from: petrus4 on March 17, 2020, 07:27:56 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqRgwoe668M
In this day an age.....fiction starts to become reality....I don't agree with all the similarities of the clip, only the underlying message....FEAR....oh they got you....
8,200 to 20,000 each year die from the ordinary flu in the U.S.
So far 6,500 have died WORLD WIDE from corona virus....So why the panic now? Is this the new norm? Can we expect complete shutdown of public and private institutions every flu year from now on? My take is: You're damn right.
This is just 'control' by the PTB (powers that be)....OUR LIVES WILL NEVER BE THE SAME....Pray for common sense to take hold....(for those that DO pray)
Is this the ultimate goal of this fear mongering??
ID2020 Alliance
https://www.pymnts.com/news/biometrics/2019/id2020-alliance-unveils-digital-id-program/
@micjer, I have no evidence and just speculation and have been thinking, TPTB crash the world economies, people lose their jobs by the millions, food-supply-chains crash across the world, no need for war or nuclear weapons as mankind turns on itself and the fragile modern-day civilization turns into rat-sh** as it becomes a realtime survival of the fittest and the HAVES all disappear to their pre-loaded and stocked underground units and remote islands, then just as all the dead bodies have decomposed and been eaten by roving hoards of wild (once domesticated) animals, the surviving PTB forgive ALL debt in return for our compliance with a global chip and vaccination(s) program, and we all end up with menial jobs serving the now glorious and anointed "elites" while we start our new existence living off basic rations in concrete enclaves. My only silver lining, should I survive is the Earth is hit and destroyed by a rogue unknown asteroid in 2030, which levels the playing field somewhat. :) ;D
Cheers!
Fans'
Quote from: micjer on March 17, 2020, 01:48:41 PM
Is this the ultimate goal of this fear mongering??
ID2020 Alliance
https://www.pymnts.com/news/biometrics/2019/id2020-alliance-unveils-digital-id-program/
I don't see how that ID2020 can be connected with this virus situation.
Quote from: fansongecho on March 17, 2020, 07:11:46 PM
@micjer, I have no evidence and just speculation and have been thinking, TPTB crash the world economies, people lose their jobs by the millions, food-supply-chains crash across the world, no need for war or nuclear weapons as mankind turns on itself and the fragile modern-day civilization turns into rat-sh** as it becomes a realtime survival of the fittest and the HAVES all disappear to their pre-loaded and stocked underground units and remote islands, then just as all the dead bodies have decomposed and been eaten by roving hoards of wild (once domesticated) animals, the surviving PTB forgive ALL debt in return for our compliance with a global chip and vaccination(s) program, and we all end up with menial jobs serving the now glorious and anointed "elites" while we start our new existence living off basic rations in concrete enclaves. My only silver lining, should I survive is the Earth is hit and destroyed by a rogue unknown asteroid in 2030, which levels the playing field somewhat. :) ;D
Well, you speculation appears to answer my question above. :)
But they wouldn't have any debt to forgive connected to me or to millions of other people, so I think they would need a better plan.
I think that for any survivors that wanted to ensure their lives did carry on in some way, they might consider a false narrative of having their "debt" forgiven or a 9mm to the back of the head should they choose not to accept bud ;) anyhoo its all speculation ArMap - Cheers! F
Hi all, a quick update from the UK, it seems that the general population of the UK really are super-dumb and panic buying is still occurring across the north of England as far as I can tell from multiple news reports, all UK schools are now finished from Friday until further notice - the local council I deliver for are open but I expect will go to minimal staffing tomorrow so I may be working tomorrow but I wont be surprised if they tell me to stay at home.
Due to the morons panic buying, I hear from a couple of sources that the UK military may well be deployed to ensure folks do stay in lock-down AND for folks in the shops they have finally decided to ration ALL products to stop the idiots emptying the shelves of toiletries etc, and there will be a military presence near major supermarkets.
IF this is a global psychological operation by the PTB/Elitist 1% and it is being used as a template to gauge and map countries responses to a potentially lethal pandemic then it has been an amazing success for them, and for me at least a real eyeopener into just how thin the veneer is of our so-called Western Civilisation, I have been so naive to believe that the majority of the public would be pragmatic in coming to terms with the potential challenges that a global event would create.
There is no doubt in my mind now that should there ever be an end of world event ( comet, asteroid impacts, pole switch or something else that would wipe out most life on this mudball there is NO WAY that they will ever let us know.
Catch you all soon, take care out there.
Fans'
At the time the media was suggesting that Italy was about a month ahead of the suggested actions that maybe taken if the virus continued to seem sucha similar threat to the U.K in that they were placing certain more restrictions..
such as having people to have identity to say if they were virus free or not if they were to go out or visit and enter into certain locations.
since I posted things have got a lot more serious as no doubt you will be aware..or at least we are told they are !
That I am not too sure about in reality but its hard to believe its all a hoax..
I was ignorant in knowing much about past viruses..
and after I posted... the post below..
A TV program came on about the Spanish Flu I think it was that claimed to have killed off 50 Million in the USA and world wide ..in 1918.
and that was just about 100 years ago...
I dont know how any other such similar viruses have occurred since or compared.
I have not been able to read up or follow all this thread if its already been mentioned..
QuoteThe 1918 influenza pandemic (January 1918 – December 1920; also known as the Spanish flu) was an unusually deadly influenza pandemic, the first of the two pandemics involving H1N1 influenza virus, with the second being the swine flu in 2009.[1] The Spanish flu infected 500 million people around the world,[2] or about 27% of the world population of between 1.8 and 1.9 billion. The death toll is estimated to have been anywhere from 17 million[3] to 50 million, and possibly as high as 100 million, making it one of the deadliest epidemics in human history.[4][5] Historical and epidemiological data are inadequate to identify with certainty the pandemic's geographic origin.[2]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_flu
I always thought that WW1 was the major killing effects in that year..
but that does not compare if those statisitics are true..
and I realise now much more why its taken so serious ... ???
But I still dont know also if this is done or created by design.
I have never seen the Stock market fall so much so quickly ever...
over 10000 points down on the Dow Jones in 36 days since 12th Feb when it topped..at a level of 29570
I suspect we could see another 1929 style crash...if the market does not turn in by either 25th to 28th March.
it may go down further to below 15000.. that will be an initial 50% decline..
in 1929 this occurred from Sept 3rd 1929 high to a low on Nov 13th 1929 in about 71 days..
This will seem like going back to the stone age if businesses fail..
and I dont know how people will survive...
Is this what Alex Jones predicted ???
if I recall it was one of his theories ...
Is Bill Gates involved ???
What does A.J know that you think hes BSing us about
and why would you not believe that his theory is as good as anyone elses..
ArMaP
QuoteWhat does that mean? 1 month ahead in what? ???
Quote from: ArMaP on March 14, 2020, 04:56:32 PM
This is what the decree from the presidency of the minister's council (DPCM) says:What does that mean? 1 month ahead in what? ???
That only works when the disease has not entered the country, when it has entered the country that will be a small contribution to slow the progress of the disease. Not allowing it to spread from individual to individual is the best tactic.
Apparently, 798 cases and 11 deaths.
I'm not against vaccines, I'm only against compulsory things. :)
The idiots...
Such is the power of Doom Porn when unleashed on the masses of steeple...
Do not take ibuprofen as a fever reducer, it enhances the effect of Covid 19 as being reported from Italy...
Do keep a high zinc cough drop in your mouth when in public, researchers state the zinc blocks Covid 19 from your lungs...
Plant a garden, be calm, and use common sense...
Seeker
Quote from: The Seeker on March 19, 2020, 11:33:41 AM
Such is the power of Doom Porn when unleashed on the masses of steeple...
Do not take ibuprofen as a fever reducer, it enhances the effect of Covid 19 as being reported from Italy...
Seen this all over the news lately
Do keep a high zinc cough drop in your mouth when in public, researchers state the zinc blocks Covid 19 from your lungs...
Where did you see this info from?
Plant a garden, be calm, and use common sense...
Seeker
As my Mom used to do....'snif warm salt water up your nose and spit out all the junk'...If you are sick that is....
My grandfather, during the Spanish Flu pandemic, went to the doctor to ask what he could do to avoid it, and the doctor told him to lay on the bed, put the hat at his feet and drink until seeing two hats. He followed the doctor's orders and was not affected. :)
Quote from: astr0144 on March 19, 2020, 07:31:20 AM
Is this what Alex Jones predicted ???
if I recall it was one of his theories ...
From what I remember he has many, so he is able to say "I told you so" when something happen and keep quiet when nothing happens. :)
QuoteIs Bill Gates involved ???
Why should he?
QuoteWhat does A.J know that you think hes BSing us about
I don't have the slightest idea of what he knows, but I'm sure he is more interested in making money than anything else.
Quoteand why would you not believe that his theory is as good as anyone elses..
I have the tendency to accept more easily theories that have sound supporting evidence, theories with dubious evidence I tend to keep on the "less likely" category, theories with no evidence are not really theories, only ideas.
There could be something to the zinc idea.
Hospitals use copper in their bedsheets and surfaces to reduce the spread of disease.
Copper linens, surfaces help hospital reduce infection rates
http://www.healthcarebusinesstech.com/copper-linens-infections/
https://www.bgr.in/news/coronavirus-2000-passengers-aboard-quarantined-cruise-ship-provided-free-iphones-876201/
Kevin
https://www.satellitetoday.com/mobility/2020/02/03/princess-cruises-to-have-first-fleet-with-sess-o3b-mpower-network/undefined
kevin
Well it's official. My wife has quarantined me to the house. Not that I have anything, just as a precaution. I am 70 years old and a bad ticker, so she doesn't want me to take any chances.
She works at a hospital, on a long term care unit, she's an RN, so I'm letting her call the shots....
Rock
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Quote from: Sgt.Rocknroll on March 19, 2020, 02:02:10 PM
Well it's official. My wife has quarantined me to the house. Not that I have anything, just as a precaution. I am 70 years old and a bad ticker, so she doesn't want me to take any chances.
She works at a hospital, on a long term care unit, she's an RN, so I'm letting her call the shots....
Rock
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I'm 67 but am keeping my distance and watching where I go.
Quote from: spacemaverick on March 20, 2020, 04:28:42 AM
I'm 67 but am keeping my distance and watching where I go.
I hear ya! As it stands to begin with, I didn't go anywhere to begin with. I hate crowds, don't do Mardi Gras, hate drunks and stay out of bars. So I've been 'social distancing' for a while now. The only place I'd go was maybe to a restaurant or the store, but since the restaurants have closed and the stores that are open are packed with people. Well you get it!
Quote from: Sgt.Rocknroll on March 20, 2020, 10:42:45 AM
I hear ya! As it stands to begin with, I didn't go anywhere to begin with. I hate crowds, don't do Mardi Gras, hate drunks and stay out of bars. So I've been 'social distancing' for a while now. The only place I'd go was maybe to a restaurant or the store, but since the restaurants have closed and the stores that are open are packed with people. Well you get it!
welll, I am 62 , my only problem is I love to eat so consequently I am overweight .[grin] Sorry to hear you got a bum ticker sarge , I didn't know this. Any way, yeah , the beaches are closed now ( it's 90 and the sand is 120 .. i really don't think the virus is present ). So here i sit , broken hearted ... oh no wait that's a joke ...lmao Got to laugh at this crazy world we live in.
Quote from: hoss58 on March 20, 2020, 06:27:38 PM
Got to laugh at this crazy world we live in.
That's the best thing to do. :)
PS: I'm younger, I'm "only" 57 (almost) but I have to take pills to slow my heart rate, to lower the blood pressure and for the diabetes, besides my asthma, that makes my lungs appear to be 75 years old.
At 43, I will take some comfort from knowing that (Kali willing) I am apparently the furthest away from death on this forum.
My brother has returned to my mother's house with his Vietnamese de facto, and their 3 year old son. Many would probably be happy about this; but I am not the family type, so I am not pleased.
I hope this virus business passes quickly. We have lives to live, which are being disrupted by it.
Its lucky and good for you that he survived !
I suspect many of us had relatives who had close calls...
Until such things occur.. I have never taken the time to really look into past history of epidemics..
but recall being warned about them some years ago from my fathers friend who told me they could be one of the most serious things that may happen.
If I had time id like to look up some of the past ones and try to compare them to the Spanish Flu in 1918.
I recall the likes of the black death in 1300s... and If I recall that was one of the worst ever...
but not sure how it compred to 1918..
this may give some guidelines...
https://www.health24.com/medical/infectious-diseases/news/the-10-deadliest-epidemics-throughout-history-20170928
but these links seem maybe since 1918..
https://www.everydayhealth.com/cold-and-flu/the-biggest-flu-epidemics-in-history.aspx
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Influenza_pandemic
Quote from: ArMaP on March 19, 2020, 12:18:24 PM
My grandfather, during the Spanish Flu pandemic, went to the doctor to ask what he could do to avoid it, and the doctor told him to lay on the bed, put the hat at his feet and drink until seeing two hats. He followed the doctor's orders and was not affected. :)
All I can say is I prey that A.J is wrong on this occasion, if he is not God help us all.
I do however still think he has been right on some of his theories...
In ref to the economy.
In several countries they have had severe cut backs etc and complained about shortage of money for this and that.
NOW the Markets have severely crashed.
what do we see.. them claiming..
They are going to print more money to help cover these issies in such a crisis...
Where has that all of a sudden come from one may wonder ???
Those who may have known the markets were going to crash have just made the most money ever in history of the markets inside 2 months..
Anyone who understands the devivitives markets and Put options.. such as say a 27000 March put option on the Dow jones Index..
just made 160 times what they paid for it...
so what ever your stake.. say you paid 1000 dollars... you just made 160,000 dollars on ONE option...
the Dow fell from 29570 high to 19000 from Feb 12th to today which was March option expiry...
thats over 10,000 point decline..
I will say this again...
This to me is more serious looking that that of 1929..
NO past decline that I can see on research has ever fallen so fast and far in such a short time.
At the moment its 35 / 36 % down..
In 1987 it fell 38.2 % if I recall in 56 days and re rallied. but the decline bak then was only about 1000 points..
NOT 10,000
this shows DOW V SPX ... on for 1929 and the SPX 500 for 1987
why they dont show 1987 for down I dont know..
https://www.seeitmarket.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/1929-2017-1987-Chart-Tweet.png
(https://snbchf.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/2-DJIA-1987.png)
This could happen again...and lets prey it does...
BUT if it fails to hold...
Crashes will often continue on a 1st leg down to 50% decline from its high... to about 15000...
(Option prices just before the start of the deline were relitively cheap.... you could have bought some further away options say just for 50 dollars.. and they became worth many times more... say 2000 dollars)
this could occur again even at the level that the market is now.. BUT in times of severe volitility... they get many times more expensive..... so you now may pay 5 or 10 times more ...
IF you bought call option for April and the market moved up...say 3000 points you may be able to still buy calls which are options if bet that the market will rise.. rathen than deline which is what put options are for...in normal trading..
you may get a similar result and make many times the money paid for them...but unlikely any where hear what has just occurred.
what has just happened this month is probably the best opportunity in the market to have made 100K on a stake less than 1000 dollars..
(there are other ways to use these options buy selling calls or selling puts... but thats a more comple strategy.)
if the market rallies a reasonable ammount say back up to 25000..
It may still be possible to buy further put options on April say 15000 puts ... maybe as low as say 300 to 800 dollars.
and if the marrket contines to decline... there could still be a good opportunity to profit very quickly at lowish costs..
back in 11929... the market then bounced for a few months maybe 50 % back up.. then deline for a couple of years like in 1929..
the dow declined to a low in 1932..
but all that took much more time to occur.. and you cannot do the egs I decribe..
then took 25 yrs to recover.
History could well occur again..
but at the same time we think we are more advanced to avoid or alter this..
the question I ask is this just one of those rare unexpected genuine cases or a created virus to cause this by the powers that be.
Its benn said that allow the markets and properties to rise in certain generations ... then crash them to put us all down back to poverty...
unfortunately most people will have missed or got caught out on the 1st severe unexpected decline..
House prices may follow if not already done so..
but a week ago some property agents were still offering the same prices prior to the crash.
Quote from: ArMaP on March 19, 2020, 12:22:36 PM
From what I remember he has many, so he is able to say "I told you so" when something happen and keep quiet when nothing happens. :)
Why should he?
I don't have the slightest idea of what he knows, but I'm sure he is more interested in making money than anything else.
I have the tendency to accept more easily theories that have sound supporting evidence, theories with dubious evidence I tend to keep on the "less likely" category, theories with no evidence are not really theories, only ideas.
Quote from: hoss58 on March 20, 2020, 06:27:38 PM
welll, I am 62 , my only problem is I love to eat so consequently I am overweight .[grin] Sorry to hear you got a bum ticker sarge , I didn't know this. Any way, yeah , the beaches are closed now ( it's 90 and the sand is 120 .. i really don't think the virus is present ). So here i sit , broken hearted ... oh no wait that's a joke ...lmao Got to laugh at this crazy world we live in.
Yeah back in 2006 I had aorta bi-femoral by-pass surgery, gutted me like a fish. Since then I've had two heart attacks, but haven't had any issues for 10 years. So all is good, just being cautious. ;D
Back to topic. Has there been any reports out of Russia? Haven't seen anything.
Quote from: Sgt.Rocknroll on March 20, 2020, 10:14:12 PM
Back to topic. Has there been any reports out of Russia? Haven't seen anything.
A total of 253 cases, 54 new cases today, 1 death, 12 recovered.
Source (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
The UK Chancellor of the Exchequer announced this yesterday -
"snip" The Chancellor has set out a package of temporary, timely and targeted measures to support public services, people and businesses through this period of disruption caused by COVID-19.
This includes a package of measures to support businesses including:
Coronavirus Job Retention Scheme
deferring VAT and Income Tax payments
Statutory Sick Pay relief package for SMEs
12-month business rates holiday for all retail, hospitality and leisure businesses in England
small business grant funding of £10,000 for all business in receipt of small business rate relief or rural rate relief
grant funding of £25,000 for retail, hospitality and leisure businesses with property with a rateable value between £15,000 and £51,000
The Coronavirus Business Interruption Loan Scheme offering loans of up to £5 million for SMEs through the British Business Bank
A new lending facility from the Bank of England to help support liquidity among larger firms, helping them bridge coronavirus disruption to their cash flows through loans
the HMRC Time To Pay Scheme
Support for businesses through the Coronavirus Job Retention Scheme
Under the Coronavirus Job Retention Scheme, all UK employers will be able to access support to continue paying part of their employees' salary for those employees that would otherwise have been laid off during this crisis.
Eligibility
All UK businesses are eligible.
"snip"
source = https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/guidance-to-employers-and-businesses-about-covid-19/covid-19-support-for-businesses
UK Covid Cases 3983
UK Covid Deaths 177 as of 2 hours ago today.
Stay safe friends.
Cheers,
Fansongecho
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html
The UK this weekend saw morons ignoring Govt advice to socially distance themselves and of course the panic buying carries on unabated, UK Govt is passing an emergency powers bill as I type this and Boris Johnson is due to deliver a speech at 8:30 UK time, which I strongly suspect will be mandatory "lock-down" of the country - needed in my humble opinion -
I hope all you folks are safe and sound and avoiding the virus.
Stay safe, cheers Fans'
**EDIT - 8:38pm. Yup UK on lockdown as announced at last by Boris.
This is from a few years back, but I feel it is relevant for today..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8JQC50aF9k
Connecting the dots.
Coincidence? You decide.
Background
Between 2015 and 2017 six deaths due to meningitis in the Lombardy Region, Northern Italy, caught the attention of media and increased concern among the population, with a consequent increase in demand for vaccination. Considering the evidence about the impact of media coverage of health issues on public behaviour, this paper investigates the trend of media coverage and internet searches regarding meningitis in the Lombardy Region
https://bmcpublichealth.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12889-019-7426-5
An increase in demand for vaccination means nothing, as more demand doesn't mean more vaccinations.
PS: I don't believe that vaccines=bad idea that some people follow, as I haven't seen any bad results from vaccination in all my life.
@micjer, mate, have you ever watched this ? - it takes a while but is a great video if you have a spare two hours, I came across it on a Veritas TV program from Mel Fabregas. :o :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZ5-liXcXLI
Fans' :)
A useful CDC link - https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/schedules/hcp/imz/child-adolescent.html - RE the number of vaccines a young child receives in the US, it looks to me that it is excessive as the below article explains the development of a child's immune system into adulthood and old age. I totally get why there are a lot of Vaccination skeptics out there.
A really informative science/medical text about the evolution of the human immune system(s) from birth to old age -
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4707740/
SNIP** - Original article above -
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Proc Biol Sci. 2015 Dec 22; 282(1821): 20143085.
doi: 10.1098/rspb.2014.3085
PMCID: PMC4707740
PMID: 26702035
Evolution of the immune system in humans from infancy to old age
A. Katharina Simon,1 Georg A. Hollander,2 and Andrew McMichael3
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Abstract
This article reviews the development of the immune response through neonatal, infant and adult life, including pregnancy, ending with the decline in old age. A picture emerges of a child born with an immature, innate and adaptive immune system, which matures and acquires memory as he or she grows. It then goes into decline in old age. These changes are considered alongside the risks of different types of infection, autoimmune disease and malignancy.
Keywords: adaptive immunity, innate immunity, infections
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1. Introduction
And one man in his time plays many parts,
His acts being seven ages.
William Shakespeare1
More than 1600 genes are involved in innate and adaptive immune responses [1]. These genes are of great importance for sustaining life in a hostile environment. Yet the immune system is relatively immature at birth and has to evolve during a life of exposure to multiple foreign challenges through childhood, via young and mature adulthood (including pregnancy), to the decline of old age (figure 1).
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Figure 1.
(a) The seven ages of woman. (b) Schematic graph of excess deaths from seasonal or pandemic influenza over the lifetime of an individual represented as number of deaths per 1000 persons (adapted from [2]). Note that while pregnancy increases the risk of severe influenza, in severe pandemics such as 1918/1919 there were also excess deaths in previously healthy young adults who were not pregnant. (c) Schematic graph of the different arms of the immune response to influenza over the lifetime of an individual.
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2. Ontogeny of the immune system in early life
At first the infant,
Mewling and puking in the nurse's arms.
In utero, the fetal environment demands that the immune system remains tolerant to maternal alloantigens. After birth, the sudden enormous exposure to environmental antigens, many of them derived from intestinal commensal bacteria, calls for a rapid change to make distinct immune responses appropriate for early life.
(a) The innate immune system
The innate immune system provides an early first line of defence against invading pathogens. The cells involved are neutrophils, monocytes, macrophages and dendritic cells, which all interact with the adaptive immune system. These cells develop and mature during fetal life, but at different times, and the function of all components of innate immunity is weak in newborns compared with later life.
Mature neutrophils are present at the end of the first trimester and steeply increase in number, stimulated by granulocyte-colony-stimulating factor, shortly before birth. Their number then returns to a stable level within days, but they show weak bactericidal functions, poor responses to inflammatory stimuli, reduced adhesion to endothelial cells and diminished chemotaxis [3]. These deficits are more striking in preterm infants, which also have lower serum IgG and complement. Consequently, the newborn, and especially premature infants, have impaired neutrophil functions [4], putting the child at risk of bacterial infections.
In preterm and newborn infants, classical monocytes and macrophages are also immature. They have reduced TLR4 expression [5] with impaired innate signalling pathways [6–8], resulting in diminished cytokine responses compared with adults. Consequently, there is poor tissue repair, impaired phagocytosis of potential pathogens and poor secretion of bioactive molecules. However, while there is a reduced frequency of pulmonary macrophages in premature and term infants, adult levels of these cells are reached within days after birth [9].
Compared with blood from children or adults, cord blood contains fewer myeloid-type dendritic cells (mDC). They express lower cell surface levels of HLA class II, CD80 and CD86 than adult mDC [10]. They secrete low concentrations of IL-12p70 in response to activating innate stimuli [11]. Thus priming of Th1 and CD8 T-cell responses is diminished compared with adults, correlating with an increased susceptibility to infections caused by viruses, Mycobacterium tuberculosis and Salmonella spp. In contrast, newborn mDC stimulated via TLR4 secrete adult-like concentrations of pro-inflammatory cytokines [12] that promote Th17 immune responses.
Plasmacytoid dendritic cells (pDC) release high concentrations of type I interferon (IFN) in response to TLR7 and TLR9 stimulation in adults. However, newborn pDC are severely limited in secreting interferon α/β upon exposure to different viruses, despite expressing levels of TLR7 and TLR9 that are similar to adults [13]. Consequently, innate immune responses to viruses such as respiratory syncytial virus, herpes simplex virus and cytomegalovirus are poor compared with later in life.
Natural killer (NK) cells in adults restrain viral replication and dissemination before adaptive immunity is established [14]. They are regulated by inhibitory receptors that recognize HLA-A, B, C and E, and therefore contribute to self-tolerance. In early gestation, NK cells are hypo-responsive to target cells lacking major histocompatibility complex (MHC) class I molecules (such as trophoblast [15]) and are highly susceptible to immune suppression by transforming growth factor-β (TGF-β). NK cytolytic function increases during gestation but is still only half of adult level at birth. Neonatal NK cells are less responsive to activation by IL-2 and IL-15, and produce limited IFN-γ concentrations. However, the cells' threshold for activation is lower, which provides some anti-viral protection [15].
The three independent pathways that activate the complement system are critical to host defence and inflammation. Complement components facilitate opsonization, are chemo-attractants for innate cells, mediate cell lysis and influence antibody production. Newborn serum concentrations of almost all circulating components are 10–80% lower than in adults [16], with diminished biological activity. Complement levels increase after birth, with some serum factors reaching adult concentration within a month (e.g. Factor B), but others evolve more slowly [16]. Because infants have low immunoglobulin concentrations, complement effector functions depend on the alternative and lectin-binding activation pathways, triggered by polysaccharides and endotoxins.
Overall, the innate immune system is muted at birth, a price probably paid by the fetus not only to tolerate non-shared maternal antigens but also to ignore the considerable amount of stress and remodelling that takes place during development. This makes the newborn, and particularly the premature baby, relatively susceptible to bacterial and viral infections.
(b) The adaptive immune system
T cells develop in the thymus, which is largest at birth and during the first years of life. Mature single CD4+ and CD8+ positive T cells are first detected in the thymus at week 15 and abundant in the periphery well before birth [17,18]. However, neonatal T cells differ significantly from adult cells, reflecting the fetal life, where exposure to foreign antigens is largely restricted to non-inherited maternal alloantigens. The function of early-life T cells is different from adult T cells. For example, though fetal naive CD4+ T cells respond strongly to alloantigens, they tend to develop towards Foxp3+ CD25+ regulatory T cells (Treg) through the influence of TGF-β [19], and thus actively promote self-tolerance. Peripheral Treg represent around 3% of total CD4+ T cells at birth [20] and these cells persist for an extended period of time [21], giving the early-life immune response an anti-inflammatory profile [22].
Foreign antigen activation of late fetal or neonatal T cells results in a response skewed towards Th2 immunity [23], which is reinforced by neonatal dendritic cells and epigenetic features [24,25]. Very early-life adaptive T-cell immunity is thus characterized by tolerogeneic reactivity, reduced allo-antigen recognition and poor responses to foreign antigens.
In the newborn, in addition to conventional T cells that recognize peptide antigens in the context of classical MHC molecules, there are populations of γδ T-cell receptor (TCR)-positive and innate-like αβ TCR-positive T cells. These include functionally competent iNKT cells that rapidly produce IFN, mucosal-associated invariant T (MAIT) cells [26] and the newly described interleukin-8 (CXCL8)-secreting naive T cells that bridge innate and adaptive immunity [27]. MAIT cells develop in the thymus, but their maturation can take place in fetal mucosal tissues before microbial colonization. The CXCL8-producing T cells produce important effector functions in human newborns as they have the potential to activate antimicrobial neutrophils and γδ T cells. They appear to be particularly active at the mucosal barriers of premature and term infants, though their frequency decreases with age. In contrast to adult blood, where the repertoire of γδ TCR is restricted, neonatal blood γδ T cells display a variety of receptor chain combinations that change with gestation [27]. γδ T cells can produce significant amounts of IFN-γ, after brief polyclonal stimulation, compensating for the immaturity of the more classical Th1-type T-cell response to neonatal infections [28,29].
Two types of B cell arise via distinct developmental pathways [30]. B1 cells spontaneously secrete low-affinity IgM with a limited range of antigen specificities (including common bacterial polysaccharides), have fewer somatic mutations and serve as a first line of defence [31]. B1 cells secrete IL-10 and TGF-β, and thus promote a Th2 response. At birth, B1 cells comprise 40% of peripheral blood B cells and this frequency remains high for a few months [32]. Conventional B cells (designated B2 cells) originate from a multi-linage CD34+ common lymphoid progenitor and generate a broad repertoire of immunoglobulin specificities due to their expression of terminal deoxynucleotidyl transferase, which enhances diversity in V-D-J immunoglobulin gene segment joining. B cells are typically present in secondary lymphoid organs and in the bone marrow, where they contribute to the humoral response of the adaptive immune system.
Most antibody responses, including those to bacterial proteins, bacterial polysaccharides and to polysaccharide–protein conjugate vaccines, are dependent on T-cell help. They rely on interactions between the TCR and the engagement of co-receptors including CD28 and CD40 ligand on Th2 or follicular T helper cells with their corresponding binding partners HLA-peptide, CD80/86 and CD40 on antigen-specific B cells. However, neonatal B cells express low levels of these co-receptors, limiting their capacity to respond [33]. Furthermore, low levels of the receptor for complement C3d fragment (CD21) impede responses to polysaccharide–complement complexes [34]. Together, these features contribute to blunted humoral immune responses with incomplete immunoglobulin class switching [35], although memory B cells are generated [36]. B cells from neonates and infants aged less than 2 months show decreased somatic hypermutation compared with adults, limiting affinity maturation of antibodies [37]. Finally, there is a failure of early-life bone marrow stromal cells to support long-term plasmablast survival and differentiation to plasma cells, so that any IgG antibodies elicited rapidly decline after immunization, unlike in older children and adults [38]. Hence, the efficiency of the adaptive immune system to respond to T-cell-dependent antigens early is markedly impaired in neonates compared with older children and adults. This physiological behaviour is particularly relevant to vaccination programmes. Together with the impaired innate immunity, the weak Th1 and antibody responses amply explain why neonatal mortality can be high under conditions of increased pathogen exposure.
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3. From childhood to adulthood
Then, the whining schoolboy with his satchel
And shining morning face, creeping like snail
Unwillingly to school.
The young human child, even as the innate and adaptive immune systems start to mature, is at risk from many pathogenic viruses, bacteria, fungi and parasites. Nevertheless, he or she has a good chance of survival in developed countries. Before there was good nutrition, hygiene and comprehensive vaccination, there was a high mortality in infants and young children. In 1900, the UK infant mortality rate was 140 per 1000, falling to 7 per 1000 by 2000 [39]. This reduction in mortality was proportionally greater in infants and children compared with other age groups [40]. Better prevention and control of infections accounts for most of this fall. However, in many countries, infant mortality rates remain above 50 per 1000, giving some indication of the evolutionary pressure that must have selected a working protective immune system. Furthermore, such pressure has selected the extreme genetic polymorphism in the MHC, which through peptide presentation to T cells and NK cells is a key regulator of almost all immune responses.
The immune system gradually matures during infancy. Critical early protection against many infectious diseases previously experienced by the mother is given by the passive IgG antibody transferred from the mother transplacentally and in milk. Once that fades away, young children become more vulnerable to infections, though by then better armed with the maturing innate and adaptive immune systems. The risks are now much reduced by vaccinations, which stimulate protective immune responses in the maturing immune system. Nevertheless, children may still acquire viral, bacterial and parasitic infections that have to be fought off and controlled by immune responses. Besides promoting recovery, such antigen stimulation results in immunological memory [41,42]. Thus, over time, protection provided by the immune response increases, and young adults suffer fewer infections. This accumulation of immunological memory is an evolving feature of the adaptive immune response. The memory persists into old age [41] but then may fade.
Besides frank infections and vaccinations, the newborn is exposed to other antigens. He or she comes from a relatively sterile environment in utero and is then rapidly exposed to multiple microbes [43]. The first major exposure to bacteria is during passage through the birth canal, and then as soon as he/she makes oral, skin and respiratory contact with the exterior. From then on, exposure to microorganisms is continuous. Many of the bacteria that colonize the gut and other mucosal sites are essential for healthy life, including digestion of food and acquisition of vital nutrients. They also impact on the development of the immune system [44].
Approximately 20% of all lymphocytes reside in the gut [45], exposed to many possible foreign immunogens. Gut immune cells monitor the boundary with a potentially dangerous source of infections. Gut bacteria influence the development of Th17 cells [46], Treg cells [47] and memory T cells [48–50]. At birth, nearly all T cells carry the CD45RA glycoprotein, typical of naive T cells, which have never encountered foreign antigen. There are also relatively abundant Tregs within the CD45RA negative CD4 T cells. During childhood, Treg cell numbers decline, and memory Th1, Th17 and Th2 cells gradually increase to equal the number of naive T cells [51]. Although some of these memory T cells could have been stimulated by infections with specific pathogens and by vaccinations, many may be primed by the microbiome, not only in the gut but also in the respiratory tract and skin. These primed memory T cells may respond to subsequent infections through cross-reactions [48,52,53]. For example, adults who have never been exposed to HIV-1 have memory T cells in their repertoire that react with HIV peptides presented at the cell surface by HLA proteins; these T cells are likely to be reawakened should HIV infection occur [48,50], similarly to other microbes [52]. The cross-reactivity arises from the discrete short (8–15 amino acids) peptides (epitopes) which fit into peptide-binding grooves on the HLA class I or II molecules at the cell surface and are then recognized by T cells. Within the microbiome sequences, there are numerous perfect and near-perfect matches to known virus peptide epitopes, such as those from HIV-1 [48,50]. These could easily be responsible for generating the memory T cells specific for pathogen epitopes the person has never encountered.
Segmented filamentous bacteria in the gut are necessary for the development of Th17 cells [47] and Clostridium spp. induce colonic Treg cells [54,55]. Germ-free mice have immunological defects, including fewer Peyers patches, smaller lymphoid follicles and abnormal germinal centres in the small intestine lymphoid tissue [56]. This immuno-deficiency can be corrected in a few days by adding a single mouse with normal gut flora to a cage of germ-free animals [56,57]. Thus animal data support the notion that the microbiome shapes the development of both memory T and B cells.
Similar events occur for B cells. The carbohydrate antigens of the ABO blood groups cross-react with gut bacterial antigens and stimulate IgM antibody responses. Antibodies to the gp41 protein of HIV-1 may be derived from B cells whose antibody receptors cross-react with a protein in Escherichia coli [58].
As the child grows, the immune repertoire is also shaped by intercurrent infections and vaccinations [59]. Pathogenic infections can be documented by symptomatic illnesses suffered by the child or adult, but for many viruses, such as influenza, infection may be subclinical, but still sufficient to stimulate or boost immune responses [60]. Generally, the protection offered by the immune response, both by antibodies and T cells, is very potent. Most childhood infections happen only once and then protection is lifelong.
The maintenance of long-term B-cell memory is remarkable given that IgG immunoglobulin has a half-life in vivo of around 25 days [61]. The antibody-producing plasma cells that develop during an immune response migrate to the bone marrow, where they are very long lived. In addition, there may be continuous regeneration of memory B cells in contact with persisting antigen and helper T cells. Particulate antigens persist for years in lymph nodes, held by follicular dendritic cells [62]. Antigen persistence and cross-reactive antigens probably help to keep these B cells alive, dividing occasionally and secreting antibodies.
It is remarkable that a mother can transfer sufficient antibody to protect her infant when she was infected 20–30 years previously. The transmission of protective antibody protection from a mother to her child is hugely important, especially in environments where 15% or more infants and children die of infection. Paradoxically, a mother who avoided a dangerous childhood infection, through herd immunity, may actually put her child at risk by being unable to transfer specific protective antibodies.
There are a large number of asymptomatic chronic infections, mostly viral, that provoke immune responses. Examples are cytomegalo virus (CMV), Epstein–Barr virus (EBV) and Mycobacterium tubercolosis (Mtb), but the full list is long and expanding [63]. EBV, CMV and Mtb provoke very strong CD4 and CD8 T-cell responses in humans. The CMV-specific CD8 T-cell response can result in oligoclonal T-cell expansions reaching more than 10% of circulating CD8 T cells. These T cells are important because they control the virus and their depletion, for instance by immunosuppressive therapy, can activate the infection (e.g. Mtb, EBV, CMV), with devastating consequences.
The evolution of antibody responses in B lymphocytes has been reviewed elsewhere in detail [64]. In brief, naive B cells with antibody receptors specific for the immunogen bind antigen in the germinal centre of lymph nodes and receive a partial signal. The bound antigen is internalized and digested in lysosomes. A few resulting peptides bind to the HLA class II molecules of that cell and are then presented on the cell surface where T follicular helper cells with appropriate T-cell receptors respond and deliver further signals, including IL-21, to the B cell. These signals trigger B-cell division, class switching of the antibody genes and somatic hypermutation. B cells that express mutated antibody that binds immunogen with higher affinity are then favoured. Selection for better binding antibodies continues over months, ultimately resulting in high-affinity antibody coming from highly mutated germ line genes. High-affinity antibodies are more effective at neutralizing or opsonizing invading microbes and their pathogenic products.
The somatic hypermutation process does not occur in T cells, even though they have antibody-like T-cell receptor genes, because there is no advantage in having a high-affinity T-cell receptor. The T-cell receptor binding to the peptide–HLA complex on an antigen presenting cells has low affinity. It is enhanced by several co-receptor–ligand pairs that are not antigen-specific, giving the T cell the signal to divide and function.
As a result of an immune challenge, the responding T and B cells may expand transiently to very high numbers [65], sometimes more than 10% of all circulating T cells, but these decline rapidly as a result of activation-induced cell death and from attrition over a longer time period. Thus as the pathogen is controlled and disappears, some memory T and B cells persist for a long time in numbers that far exceed the number of naive and 'naive-memory' T cells that were there before infection.
As the individual gets older, he or she develops an expanding repertoire comprising memory T and B cells triggered by previous infections and vaccinations, but also a naive-memory repertoire shaped by exposure to the microbiome, food antigens and inhaled antigens. Given the great complexity of the T- and B-cell repertoires and a large stochastic element in choosing which cells will respond to a given stimulus, and somatic mutations in B cells, the precise composition will differ in each individual, even in monozygotic twins [66]. Add to this considerable genetic variability in how individuals respond, determined by the highly polymorphic HLA genes [67] and by the genes of innate immunity, and it is not surprising that the immune responses of any single adult vary considerably.
(a) Pregnancy
It is beyond the scope of this review to explore the immunology of pregnancy in detail (reviewed in [68,69]). However, successful reproduction is of central evolutionary importance and there are immunological issues. How the newborn retains mechanisms by which the fetus minimizes its immune responses to the mother has been discussed above. A bigger puzzle is how the mother tolerates a semi-allogeneic graft without rejecting it and without the immunosuppression necessary to accept an organ transplant [70]. There are features at the trophoblast maternal interface at the site of initial implantation and in the placenta that subvert the normal graft rejection immune response. These include expression only of non-polymorphic non-classical HLA antigens on the trophoblast [71], local immune suppression mediated by infiltrating NK cells [72], monocytes and T regulatory cells [69,73], and inhibition of T-cell activation by tryptophan catabolism [74]. Around the time of implantation, a local inflammatory response sets up the stable placental site [68]. There is evidence that the mother changes the balance of her T-cell responses to Th2 rather than Th1 [68]. Thus pregnant women can show remissions of autoimmune disease [75], and are more susceptible to severe complications of influenza [76] and some other infections. This immune modulation, necessary for the well-being of the fetus, can occasionally be harmful to the mother.
(b) Malignancy and autoimmunity
The primary role of the immune system is probably to protect against infections. Other roles such as destruction of mutated cells may be very important, though more so in old age after reproduction. Many tumours turn off T cells specific for tumour antigens by binding to 'check-point' receptors such as PD-1 or CTLA4, and new treatments that block these receptor–ligand interactions have great therapeutic potential [77,78]. However, the side effects of such therapy and of the passive transfer of anti-cancer T cells include autoimmune reactions, suggesting a balance between anti-self-immune reactions preventing cancer and causing autoimmunity [79]. In adult life, the balance usually works, but one-third of Western humans develop cancer, usually later in life, while 5–10% develop clinical autoimmune disease, so the balance is finely set and may shift over time. The fading immune system in old age (see below) may ameliorate autoimmunity but at the expense of increased cancer risk.
Microorganisms cause about a quarter of all cancers (e.g. EBV, hepatitis B and C viruses, human papilloma virus and Helicobacter pylori). Specific T-cell responses normally hold these microbes in check. However, if immunity is impaired through ageing (see below), immunosuppressive therapy or certain infections, particularly HIV-1, these cancers emerge [80].
Therefore, having developed a fully effective immune response in early childhood, this matures as memory accumulates and maintains the health of the individual during critical periods of life, including child bearing. It not only protects against potentially lethal infections but also controls a number of persisting infections, some of which have the potential to cause cancer. It can also deal with mutant cells that have potential for becoming malignant. It can be over-reactive and cause autoimmune disease or allergy, a price paid for the overall benefit.
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4. Immune decline with age
Last scene of all,
That ends this strange eventful history,
Is second childishness and mere oblivion,
Sans teeth, sans eyes, sans taste, sans everything.
As age advances, the immune system undergoes profound remodelling and decline, with major impact on health and survival [81,82]. This immune senescence predisposes older adults to a higher risk of acute viral and bacterial infections. Moreover, the mortality rates of these infections are three times higher among elderly patients compared with younger adult patients [83]. Infectious diseases are still the fourth most common cause of death among the elderly in the developed world. Furthermore, aberrant immune responses in the aged can exacerbate inflammation, possibly contributing to other scourges of old age: cancer, cardiovascular disease, stroke, Alzheimer's disease and dementia [84].
During a regular influenza season, about 90% of the excess deaths occur in people aged over 65. Furthermore, poor immune responses account for diminished efficacy of vaccines [82,85]. Immune senescence also results in reactivation of latent viruses, such as varicella-zoster virus, causing shingles and chronic neuralgia.
Deterioration of the immune system with age may compromise the homeostatic equilibrium between microbiota and host. Thus reduced bacterial diversity in the gut has been correlated with Clostridium difficile-associated diarrhoea, a major complication for the elderly in hospitals [86]. Moreover, deviations from the intestinal microbiota profile, which was established in youth, are associated with inflammatory bowel disease [87]. The increase with age in pro-inflammatory pathobionts and the decrease in immune-modulatory species may promote and sustain inflammatory disorders [86].
At the same time, the ageing immune system fails to maintain full tolerance to self-antigens, with an increased incidence of autoimmune diseases. [88]. This is probably due to lymphopaenia occurring with age, leading to excess homeostatic lymphocyte proliferation [89], as well as a decrease in regulatory T-cell function and decreased clearance of apoptotic cells by macrophages [81].
Cancer is most frequent in older people; the median age for cancer diagnosis in industrialized countries is approaching 70 years of age. The main reason is obviously the accumulation of cellular and genetic damage throughout life; however, given the role of the immune response in controlling cancers, reduced immune functions in the elderly must contribute to the higher risk [90]. This immune impairment is in apparent contradiction to the increase in autoimmunity as anti-tumour responses can be directed against self; however, the general decline of the immune system probably prevails and tumours are no longer rejected as efficiently. Moreover, the increased inflammation found with age facilitates cancer emergence.
The increased morbidity due to the decline of the immune system is a direct consequence of dysregulated adaptive immunity in the elderly. The low number of naive T cells versus T cells [41,42] is a consequence of the reduced thymic output from the involuted thymus. As a consequence of this age-induced lymphopaenia, T cells proliferate and increase the 'virtual memory' compartment [91], but at the same time, the ability to establish immunological memory in response to de novo antigens is reduced, compromising vaccinations. Functions such as cytokine production by CD4 and CD8 T cells are impaired, the expression of key surface markers is altered and the CD4+ to CD8+ T-cell ratio is inverted [81]. The expanded T-cell responses that keep latent viruses such as EBV and CMV under control reduces space for CD8+ T cells specific for other potentially lethal viruses [92], exacerbated by the reduced thymic naive T-cell output.
While peripheral B-cell numbers do not decline with age, the composition of this compartment changes. Similar to T cells, naive B cells are replaced by antigen-experienced memory cells, some of which are 'exhausted' (CD19+IgD− CD27−), and they display decreased affinity maturation and isotype switching [81].
In general, the changes in the T- and B-cell compartments hamper the adequate immune response to new acute and latent viral infections and vaccinations.
The innate immune response also declines with age. There are changes in innate cell numbers, with skewing of haematopoiesis towards the myeloid lineages [93,94]. The senescent neutrophil is less functional with decreased phagocytic ability and superoxide production partly due to decreased Fcγ receptor expression [95]. Similarly, ageing macrophages have a decreased respiratory burst. Together with DCs, they display reduced phagocytic function and HLA II expression [81]. The immunological 'silent' removal of apoptotic and increasing numbers of senescent cells is therefore compromised, and may contribute to the pro-inflammatory phenotype. Indeed, when senescent cells were removed from aged mice artificially, the animals lived longer and were healthier [96].
Possibly the most critical change in the ageing innate immune system is the increase in pro-inflammatory cytokines IL-1β, IL-6, IL-18 and TNFα [97]. The resulting low-grade inflammation probably contributes to atherosclerosis, dementia and cancer, inextricably linking inflammation and ageing of other tissues [84,98].
The cellular and molecular basis of immune senescence is still not well understood. Three phenotypes characterize senescent cells: telomere attrition accompanying each round of proliferation, leading to arrested cell division or 'replicative senescence'; increased mitochondrial load/dysfunction and reactive oxygen species; and senescence-associated secretory phenotype (SASP), defined as the secretion of pro-inflammatory cytokines, chemokines and proteases by senescent cells [99]. While most of the data have been obtained in fibroblasts, senescent immune cells probably show similar features. These features impact on mitotically active cells by depletion or arrested division (e.g. haematopoietic stem cells—HSCs or T cells), and on post-mitotic immune cells by causing cellular dysfunction (e.g. neutrophils).
Attrition of telomeres is a protective mechanism against cancer, as each round of proliferation is likely to introduce mutations [100]. Only epithelial lymphocytes and stem cells including haemopoietic (HSCs) express the telomere-lengthening enzyme telomerase in the adult [101], requiring a careful balance against the risk of cancer. Both memory T cells and HSCs characteristically divide rarely, to minimize telomere attrition, but reliably either in response to infection (memory lymphocytes) or for tissue renewal (stem cells) throughout the entire lifespan. End-stage senescent CD27−CD28− T cells have the shortest telomeres and show decreased proliferation after activation, but nevertheless exhibit potent effector functions. These cells accumulate in old age and in patients with autoimmune diseases and chronic viral infections [102]. The second characteristic of aged cells is increased mitochondrial dysfunction and ensuing oxidative damage to proteins and DNA. DC function in aged mice can be restored through administration of anti-oxidants [103]. Oxidative stress causes DNA breaks and may be the cause of telomere attrition, which links the first two causes of ageing. The accumulation of oxidative damage could be due to a decline in lysosomal and autophagy function [104]. Autophagy, degrading bulk cytoplasmic material by delivering it to the lysosomes, falls with age, including in human CD8+ T cells [105]. Mice without autophagy in their haematopoietic system display a prematurely aged haematopoietic system [106]. Failing memory T cells' responses to flu vaccination observed in the elderly can be restored with an autophagy-inducing compound [107]. A third more recent addition to these fundamental changes of aged cells is the acquisition of the SASP, contributing to increased pro-inflammatory cytokine secretion and low-grade inflammation [99].
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5. Evolution of the human immune system
As a long-lived species, humans have evolved mechanisms of innate immunity and immunological memory to survive recurrent infections. However, over the lifetime of an individual, these immune mechanisms change, first to adapt to the change from fetus to infant, and then to mature and expand during growth, subtly changing in pregnancy and finally decreasing in senescence. The output of naive lymphoid cells and the ability to form new immunological memory becomes increasingly less important as the older individual will have encountered and established a memory bank to many pathogens over its lifetime. There is a possibility that the myeloid bias and the increased secretion of pro-inflammatory cytokines during ageing are essential for improved phagocytosis of an increasing number of senescent cells, raising the question of whether the changes in the ageing immune system might serve a purpose.
The immune system has been primarily moulded by evolution to respond efficiently to acute infections in young people, to adapt to pregnancy and to transmit protection to infants, and is adapted to cope with many chronic infections lasting for decades. Apart from fighting viruses, bacteria, fungi and parasites, the immune system also assumes other roles such as tissue repair, wound healing, elimination of dead and cancer cells, and formation of the healthy gut microbiota. Assuming an absence of a major selective pressure on humans beyond reproductive age, we may have to pay for genetic traits selected to ensure early-life fitness by the later development of immunological phenotypes such as chronic inflammation. Massive ageing and advanced longevity are very recent phenomena occurring in an optimized environment. As proposed by Hayflick [108], ageing may be an artefact of civilization, and hence changes in the ageing immune system might just be a consequence of evolutionary unpredicted antigenic exposure over the lifetime of an individual.
In some aspects, the immune system of the aged organism resembles that of the newborn, with reduced antimicrobial activity by neutrophils and macrophages, reduced antigen presentation by DCs and decreased NK killing, and somewhat compromised adaptive lymphocyte responses. Both the very young and old immune systems are therefore similarly compromised in coping with a typical viral infection such as influenza, whereas the young (non-pregnant) adult organism seems to be perfectly equipped for this challenge (figure 1). The evolution of the immune system within an individual possibly reflects the central role of the young adult in the survival of the species for its procreative potential.
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Acknowledgements
We acknowledge Andrew Allen for preparation of the figure.
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Endnote
1All epigraphs in this paper are from William Shakespeare's As you like it, act 2, scene 7.
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Competing interests
We declare we have no competing interests.
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Funding
A.K.S. was funded by a Wellcome Trust New Investigator Award and G.A.H. by Wellcome Trust Strategic Awards.
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I had listened to that C2C program before but had forgot. Thanks for the refresher.
Crazy the connections.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afbf2IHhKYA
Don't buy the vaccine shit.
Kevin
Anyone heard the story of COVID-19 originating from Groom Lake?
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Did you folks see this article ? https://www.npr.org/2020/02/14/806128410/harvard-professors-arrest-raises-questions-about-scientific-openness?t=1585279709463
From a CNN story - SNIP" Dr. Charles Lieber, 60, who is the chair of Harvard's Chemistry and Chemical Biology Department, is accused of lying about working with several Chinese organizations, where he collected hundreds of thousands of dollars from Chinese entities, US Attorney Andrew Lelling said at a news conference.
According to court documents, Lieber's research group at Harvard had received over $15 million in funding from the National Institutes of Health and the Department of Defense, which requires disclosing foreign financial conflicts of interests.
The complaint alleges that Lieber had lied about his affiliation with the Wuhan University of Technology (WUT) in China and a contract he had with a Chinese talent recruitment plan to attract high-level scientists to the country. snip"
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It is what I see as one of the most tricky things one has to consider if they start to suggest we will be enforced to have vaccinations.
BUT there has been plenty said to suggest that Vaccines do do us Harm...
So I cannot easily accept they are the real answers.
BUT I suspect some may have been the only solutions in some cases when nothing else seemed to work.
Quote from: ArMaP on March 26, 2020, 03:49:51 PM
An increase in demand for vaccination means nothing, as more demand doesn't mean more vaccinations.
PS: I don't believe that vaccines=bad idea that some people follow, as I haven't seen any bad results from vaccination in all my life.
Quote from: astr0144 on March 27, 2020, 08:29:34 PM
BUT I suspect some may have been the only solutions in some cases when nothing else seemed to work.
In the case of most (or all, I'm not sure) virus nothing works, you have to wait until your body solves the problem.
With vaccines your body learns how to deal with that specific virus, so it makes it easier for the body to take care of the problem without affecting too much the rest of the functioning.
In the Uk,
They yesterday they have now brought in that the police can fine you for going out to certain locations ..
even if the location is severely remote and out of the way from almost anyone.
They are making an issue of it by showing us on TV how the Police have harrashed some people when no one else is even around.
Its just so hard to believe if all what we are being told is for real or not.
Some known famous people even the UK Prime minister have now claimed to have caught the Virus.
as well as medical advisers ON UK TV media who talk about what we should do.
but some have got over it also very quickly.
I have to question is this all for real or is it being faked..
Having said that the news shows us so many case at the Hospitals.. and gives us all the claims of how many are said to have the virus or died.
But again in the Uk its still under 1000 deaths...maybe under 700 or was last time I saw the news..
Itally claimed 80,000 had the virys and 8000 have died.... thats a 10 % death rate.
which the experts say on grapths that they are showing that it could become expedential.. and turn out very severe in weeks to come. based upon the modeling statistics and past epidemic data...
But this situation is certainly extremely frustrating..
and its hard to believe how the USA claimed to have now been hit on now an even larger scale of cases..
be it in New York or California...
Did you guys see the below?
https://www.globalresearch.ca/12-experts-questioning-coronavirus-panic/5707532
:o
Fans'
Quote from: fansongecho on March 29, 2020, 05:32:03 AM
Did you guys see the below?
https://www.globalresearch.ca/12-experts-questioning-coronavirus-panic/5707532
Now I have, but only read the first 3 opinions.
To me they look like the typical "this is nothing" opinions of someone that isn't affected.
If this was nothing they wouldn't have the need to use two (now) unused buildings in Spain (an ice rink and a justice related building) as makeshift morgues, the doctors wouldn't need to work way past their usual shifts, they wouldn't have the need to ask for help from retired doctors, etc., etc.
Like all other people I see saying "this is nothing" they talk about the death rate (not that big) but do not talk about two things:
- this is a new situation added to the current situation. This isn't the seasonal flu, this is another flu-like disease that is hitting the hospitals that were already occupied with people suffering from the seasonal flu (although, theoretically, at the end of the flu season);
- the percentage of cases that need hospitalisation and intensive care. Sure, 5000 cases in Portugal is nothing special, but if of those 500 are going to need ICU care then the hospitals will not be able to take care of them, so they need to slow the rate of infection to spread those 500 cases through a longer period of time, and the best way is by limiting contact between people.
Thanks, ArMap, have you seen this video? - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDGfhKX9Knk
This is Jason Goodman from Crowdsource the truth, an alt-media investigator who went to research a story put out by a "doctor" who claimed that the outbreak was at "apocalyptic" levels in New York Times paper.
For myself, I do think there may well be a global outbreak of the declared virus, which does seem to be a highly contagious variant BUT I do not buy into its being so lethal as described, I have seen some stories about other outbreaks SARS', MERS, H1N1 where the lethality was very much higher but the contraction rates were lower but there wasn't the call to arms globally that has occurred with this version.
I also see our lamestream media are not reporting on China anymore - why would they, the good news is not as "sexy" as bad news I guess.
On another point, I tried to post this PDF to Facebook in a private message and onto one of my group boards and FB immediately flagged it as against community standards.
I think I posted this before but I am not sure - https://jhaines6.files.wordpress.com/2014/11/silent-weapons-for-quiet-wars.pdf - the document is very detailed and has a LOT of economic formulas and stops at page 43 but the last 10 pages or so make very interesting reading, I cant copy and paste them I am sorry to say but if you folks are bored maybe have a look and see what you think.
I am fully expecting a another round of clamp-downs this week in the UK, IE arrests and fines if found out in a vehicle - although locally we have been observing the Govt mandated rules, I hear that further down south of me the larger cities have problems with the resupply of food and drugs and hoarding is a major issue.
I have a couple of friends in the NHS on the frontline and in support roles and at their hospitals, they have not yet experienced an influx of Covid-19 patients OR diagnosed with it once admitted and their protective equipment is adequate and they have enough sufficient supply of such, in essence it is business as normal for them, they have colleagues across other hospitals that they are keeping in touch with and will let me know if they hear anything.
Cheers,
Fans'
PS - To be clear, I think that the pandemic is part of a psychological operation, part social modeling, and may well be being used as a cover for another operation(s) - just a gut feeling, no compelling evidence as yet. :)
Quote from: fansongecho on March 29, 2020, 04:19:31 PM
Thanks, ArMap, have you seen this video?
No, and I stopped at 4 minutes, as nothing was happening. :)
Could you give us a short description of what he says in the video?
Thanks in advance. :)
QuoteFor myself, I do think there may well be a global outbreak of the declared virus, which does seem to be a highly contagious variant BUT I do not buy into its being so lethal as described, I have seen some stories about other outbreaks SARS', MERS, H1N1 where the lethality was very much higher but the contraction rates were lower but there wasn't the call to arms globally that has occurred with this version.
I haven't seen this described as having a big mortality rate. Much higher than that of the common flu, but not that high, at 1.5% to 2%.
QuoteI also see our lamestream media are not reporting on China anymore - why would they, the good news is not as "sexy" as bad news I guess.
I have seen news about China, about how they are getting back to business as usual, with production at 75% (if I'm not mistaken) and the new cases being cases brought from other countries. That's why they are Chinese doctors and nurses and equipment being sent to other countries, like Italy and Spain, and offers of collaboration with the US to help solve this crisis.
Quote from: fansongecho on March 29, 2020, 04:19:31 PM
PS - To be clear, I think that the pandemic is part of a psychological operation, part social modeling, and may well be being used as a cover for another operation(s) - just a gut feeling, no compelling evidence as yet. :)
I definitely agree that the psychopaths are currently trying to figure out how much they will be permitted to get away with; and whatever they discover will be the new normal.
Unfortunately, we now have two generations who have been raised on
Barney and Friends,
Pokemon Go, and various other manifestations of the pastel-coloured version of
1984, and who as a consequence think that centralised government is cuddwy and wuvwy and wuvvable, and that anyone who thinks otherwise is just a big meany doodoo head who needs a timeout, (possibly made permanent with bullets if they express
too much wrongthink) and is probably also white, heterosexual, male, and racist.
Here is the fix for your "Silent Weapons" broken link.
Silent Weapons for Quiet Wars
An Introduction Programming Manual
Operations Research Technical Manual TW-SW7905.1
https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/ec52/d94c07ca1e88097843155d0e0cc925228ebd.pdf?_ga=2.140420467.15603632.1585531921-2056864547.1585531921
FDA issues emergency authorization of anti-malaria drug for coronavirus care
The Food and Drug Administration on Sunday issued an emergency use authorization for hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine, decades-old malaria drugs championed by President Donald Trump for coronavirus treatment despite scant evidence.
The agency allowed for the drugs to be "donated to the Strategic National Stockpile to be distributed and prescribed by doctors to hospitalized teen and adult patients with COVID-19, as appropriate, when a clinical trial is not available or feasible," HHS said in a statement, announcing that Sandoz donated 30 million doses of hydroxychloroquine to the stockpile and Bayer donated 1 million doses of chloroquine.
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/29/fda-emergency-authorization-anti-malaria-drug-155095
POTUS looks like the good guy after all, after MSM and Hillary tried to bury him!
Quote from: micjer on March 30, 2020, 05:18:25 AM
FDA issues emergency authorization of anti-malaria drug for coronavirus care
So, what happens to the Nevada ban on the use of these drugs? Does the governor need to issue a new executive order so doctors can prescribe these drugs?
Good question and also why did the governor place the ban in the first place? Was it simply ignorance since the couple ingested fish tank cleaner?
Quote from: micjer on March 30, 2020, 01:35:10 PM
Good question and also why did the governor place the ban in the first place?
Because he is an idiot, obviously. :)
Silent Weapons For Quiet Wars (http://www.lawfulpath.com/ref/sw4qw/index.shtml) - AFAIK, this is this document's original link. I always imagine this being narrated by Hugo Weaving's character, Agent Smith. It's exactly the sort of thing he would write.
Energy is recognized as the key to all activity on earth. Natural science is the study of the sources and control of natural energy, and social science, theoretically expressed as economics, is the study of the sources and control of social energy. Both are bookkeeping systems: mathematics. Therefore, mathematics is the primary energy science. And the bookkeeper can be king if the public can be kept ignorant of the methodology of the bookkeeping.
All science is merely a means to an end. The means is knowledge. The end is control. Beyond this remains only one issue: Who will be the beneficiary?
@thorfourwinds - namaste and thank you. :)
@ArMaP, yep it is a little long-winded although I get why as he was doing the walk-around video as a ad-hoc event, but to answer your question and to truncate the video in words.
Jason Goodman is an alt-media journo/investigator and was researching an item in the NY-Times by a "doctor" who claimed that the Hospital in question was "over-run" with Covid-19 patients on an "apocalyptic" scale... being a good journo he went to investigate the claims and talked briefly to ENT's and anyone outside about their direct experience with the outbreak -
in the video, they don't seem to happy about being asked but in general, it seems that the Doctor (who filmed in the hospital, illegally it transpires) is a statistician and not a clinician.
Although Jason didn't go into the hospital he came away believing that the story was once again "Fake News" It was interesting that there were not at the time of filming hordes of ambulances screaming up with patients - in fact, I don't think I heard one in the video.
@petrus4, yes indeed I get that would be a good narrator for the text :)
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As normal I had broken sleep last night and come across this on doing some digging on YT - It is an interview with a chap called Greg Caton who is a herbalist and had a thriving alternate healing business going in the US with three outlets, until the FEDS arrested him 2003, banged him for a few years, he then moved to Ecuador and was arrested and renditioned back to the US to serve 2 more years - this interview is based on the book he wrote that for me at least resonated, I am a big fan of Mel Fabrigas and his Veritas Site and interviews.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOaEAAd9kNw
Take care all, stay safe and catch you soon.
Fans' :)
Examining 6120 people with respiratory viruses other than influenza and pan-negative results who submitted a respiratory specimen for laboratory testing to the DoDGRS team, those who received an influenza vaccine had a decreased risk of having other respiratory pathogens identified compared to the unvaccinated group. One study in the United States found similar results [12]. The study found influenza vaccination was not associated with detection of non-influenza respiratory viruses [12]. Additionally, the laboratory data in our study showed increased odds of coronavirus and human metapneumovirus in individuals receiving influenza vaccination.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0264410X19313647?via%3Dihub
FDA approves Fluzone® High-Dose Quadrivalent (Influenza Vaccine) for adults 65 years of age and older
http://www.news.sanofi.us/2019-11-04-FDA-approves-Fluzone-R-High-Dose-Quadrivalent-Influenza-Vaccine-for-adults-65-years-of-age-and-older
As of the end of the 2018-2019 influenza season, over 112 million doses of Fluzone High-Dose have been distributed in the U.S. In the 2018-2019 influenza season, nearly two-thirds of U.S. adults 65 years of age and older who received an influenza vaccine received Fluzone High-Dose.ii
Quote from: micjer on March 30, 2020, 05:54:25 PM
Additionally, the laboratory data in our study showed increased odds of coronavirus and human metapneumovirus in individuals receiving influenza vaccination.
Coronavirus are responsible for several variations of the common cold. I know at least one case of a woman that since she gets the flu vaccine she gets colds less often and when she gets them they are weaker than they used to be.
PS: I forgot to take the flu vaccine for the second consecutive year, and I don't have to pay a thing to get it. :)
Well if there is one thing that apparently is NOT being censored it is whatever is contained in ALEXA's database of COVID-19 articles, reports etc.
https://youtu.be/AxPm0W8_q7Y
I find this alarming.
Forced vaccinations to travel or purchase goods....Yikes
David Icke has been warning about this!
https://www.thelocal.dk/20200313/denmark-passes-far-reaching-emergency-coronavirus-law
Denmark rushes through emergency coronavirus law
Denmark's parliament on Thursday night unanimously passed an emergency coronavirus law which gives health authorities powers to force testing, treatment and quarantine with the backing of the police.
The Ministry of Health will now work with the Ministry of Justice on the details of how the police will work with health officials to enforce their demands.
As well as enforcing quarantine measures, the law also allows the authorities to force people to be vaccinated, even though there is currently no vaccination for the virus.
It also empowers them to prohibit access to public institutions, supermarkets and shops, public and private nursing homes and hospitals, and also to impose restrictions on access to public transport.
Initially, the government wanted to the law to give the police the right to enter private homes without a court order if there is a suspicion of coronavirus infection. But this was dropped after opposition from parties in the parliament.
Quote from: Ellirium113 on March 31, 2020, 10:21:50 PM
Well if there is one thing that apparently is NOT being censored it is whatever is contained in ALEXA's database of COVID-19 articles, reports etc.
https://youtu.be/AxPm0W8_q7Y
Wow
I guess ALEXA has been programmed to not lie!
This is good site to show projections in the US for number of cases, deaths and hospital beds/ventilators that may be required.
https://covid19.healthdata.org/projections
Talking of extreme use of powers - meanwhile in Hungary and widely reported -
https://www.theparliamentmagazine.eu/articles/news/meps-slam-hungary-after-%E2%80%9Clockdown-democracy%E2%80%9D
:o ::)
Fans'
Quote from: micjer on April 01, 2020, 01:21:47 PM
I guess ALEXA has been programmed to not lie!
ALEXA can be programmed to give the answers you want.
Why is the death rate so much higher in Italy and Spain in particular.
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html
Going off the stats at the time of posting.
Italy 115,242 cases 13,914 deaths or 12 percent mortality rate
Spain 110,238 cases 10,003 deaths or 10 percent mortality rate..
With this rate there should be 22,000 deaths in the US. Currently 5,316 (220,123 cases)
2.4 percent
Different strain?
Only testing the really sick?
Any ideas?
micjer,
There is not a virus, there is a consequence to the trigger.
The virus is within everyone, hundreds of thousands of variant virus.
The trigger in this case is 5g.
the consequence is related to 60 ghz that disables the absorbtion of oxygen.
Try to think this out, and look back at when various different frequencies were released.....1g,2g,3g,4g and the resultant virus consequences.
This is been done with intent to de populate, it is a weapon.
A big clue is the cruise ships that had large white balls fitted, they are 5g phased ray antennae, and every passenger was given a free I phone, they flooded the whole ship, and the most vunerable ( reduced field of local consciousness) the elderly began to suffer the radiation consequences.
That enabled the skum who are doing this to say a big spikey monster is coming to get You ( fear)
Then clamp the sheep like humans indoors to further expose them to 5G.
Clever skum bags?
So with that in mind, any idea if Italy and Spain have installed 5G networks recently? Just starting here in Canada
Quote from: micjer on April 02, 2020, 07:24:24 PM
So with that in mind, any idea if Italy and Spain have installed 5G networks recently? Just starting here in Canada
https://www.technocracy.news/5g-from-space-20000-satellites-to-blanket-the-earth/
These are clever skum,
Another clue with land based phase ray antennae is to look at Sheffield here in the UK, a now hotspot for the so called virus.
They were offered 200 million to install 5G, they had to cut down thousands of trees, as the trees block the short range land based signals, and they did, many of those trees were planted in honour of the fallen during WW1, but that didn't matter.
Any protestors were jailed.
Now billions are locked down in their houses with smart meters and phones and wi fi.
Clever skum bags.
QuoteTry to think this out, and look back at when various different frequencies were released.....1g,2g,3g,4g and the resultant virus consequences.
I don't buy into it. We have been exposed to RF frequencies in these ranges for many years already it has had no bearing on compromised immune systems or viral outbreaks. The moment anyone would have started using a device that emits similar frequencies would have started these said consequences. This would NOT be limited to cell phones and wifi. There may be some people really susceptible to RF frequencies that this would affect but I don't think people would be getting sick such as would be on the scale we are seeing with COVID-19.
@Kevin, totally agreed.
@micjer, I recall watching a BBC documentary back in the late '80s about how various Bio-weapons labs across the globe were "allegedly" attempting to create a bioweapon that could target specific races genome type -
I have no idea if this is at all feasible but I also recall the Genome mapping world event that occurred later, guessing at just how evil and bad these bastards are I would not be surprised if there is some sort of genome marker(s) with people across the world that can be read that physiologically mark a person who may be older than say 60, has - or is carrying a terminal disease, is susceptible to various flu-types and marks them from a certain with a certain racial-specific genome, pure speculation on my part of course.
I think that both Spain and Italy have quite aging populations as did China (I will have to find links to support this, please bear with me) but Korea doesn't have such an aging population and has a better recovery rate I believe.
Can someone from the US side of the pond confirm that the outbreaks (and deaths) in California and New York at significantly higher than the rest of the US.. by which I mean in the thousands of reported cases and deaths if possible, please? if they are higher significantly why would they be? across 3000 miles of landmass?
If we can find a 5G Global rollout and implementation plan that would be great too.
I spoke with three good friends this week, who are frontline NHS UK health workers, although they are concerned they are not panicked by the outbreak I couldn't draw them into commenting on the protective clothing and testing protocols that we are doing over in the UK - normally they can speak openly about anything I ask -
I know they have just converted an AIDS testing machine into a 90 min Corona Virus testing device from a Cambridge UNI off-shoot and are wanting them mass-produced to help with testing our NHS staff for the virus - one Govt spokesman said they want to try and test 100,000 people per week with this technology, at the moment we can't even test 25,000. ::)
One value I heard today from a Govt source was they "believe" that there may be as high as 20% of the population may have already had the virus with little or no symptoms to date. :-\
Stay safe friends.
Cheers,
Fans'
Quote from: micjer on April 02, 2020, 06:19:26 PM
Different strain?
Only testing the really sick?
Any ideas?
I saw a couple of days ago that in Germany they have a low mortality rate (1.19%) because they started testing earlier than most countries and because they started protecting older people.
But, as they didn't really took measures to stop or slow the disease they are now expecting the mortality rate to rise, as they are starting to get cases in nursing homes.
Quote from: fansongecho on April 02, 2020, 10:29:26 PM
If we can find a 5G Global rollout and implementation plan that would be great too.
Does this help?
OOKLA 5G MAP (https://www.speedtest.net/ookla-5g-map)
Quote from: Ellirium113 on April 02, 2020, 10:22:02 PM
I don't buy into it. We have been exposed to RF frequencies in these ranges for many years already it has had no bearing on compromised immune systems or viral outbreaks. The moment anyone would have started using a device that emits similar frequencies would have started these said consequences. This would NOT be limited to cell phones and wifi. There may be some people really susceptible to RF frequencies that this would affect but I don't think people would be getting sick such as would be on the scale we are seeing with COVID-19.
https://www.princess.com/ships-and-experience/ocean-medallion/om-preview-modules/medallion-net.html
Learn more about medallionet.
Book yourself a cruise, You may be given a free I phone as everyone on the diamond princess was.
Each living entity is within it's own unique potential field, and the elderly field shrinks, as do others relative to certain factors.
Think of a car batteries potential, then consider what occurs when the potential decreases for whatever reason, We are similar and then so called diseases( body potential low)can flourish.
I would recommend study of royal Raymond rife....He knew the specific frequencies of all living pathogens.
You need to factor in the way phased ray antennae operate, they are directional, they are in space.
They are weapons.
GRRRRR... just lost a LOT of data trying to upload about aging populations -
Try again - Page 18 left hand table age dependancy top 10 - A UN 2019 report
https://www.un.org/en/development/desa/population/publications/pdf/ageing/WorldPopulationAgeing2019-Highlights.pdf
I dont see Spain in the top 10 in the above although it has 3rd highest cases to date and 2nd highest deaths after Italy - although the Forbes article below contradicts the above table -
https://www.forbes.com/sites/alexandrasternlicht/2020/03/25/countries-hit-hardest-with-coronavirus-have-older-populations/#2c0375434780
As a comparison this is Page 29 of the below UN 2015 report -
https://www.un.org/en/development/desa/population/publications/pdf/ageing/WPA2015_Report.pdf
World meters report on Covid-19 cases by country 3rd April
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries
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Subject change - CRISPR - Biowarfare YT links and science links below.
A Simple explanation of gene editing - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAhjPd4uNFY
https://ghr.nlm.nih.gov/primer/genomicresearch/genomeediting
Biowarfare - https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1326447/
https://www.usa-anti-communist.com/pdf/Military_Review_November_1970.pdf (1970 publication)
Fans'
Placeholder for me - Non Ionising radiation - useful article -
https://scialert.net/fulltext/?doi=jms.2018.149.156
5G UK Ofcom data - What Frequancies will be used ??
https://www.ofcom.org.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0021/97023/5G-update-08022017.pdf
5G March 2020 commercial report -
https://www.gsma.com/spectrum/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/5G-Spectrum-Positions.pdf
IEEE paper -
https://futurenetworks.ieee.org/images/files/pdf/ieee-5g-roadmap-white-paper.pdf
https://www.verizonwireless.com/business/articles/business/5g-business-mobility-capabilities/
5G Architecture paper -
https://5g-ppp.eu/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/5G-PPP-5G-Architecture-White-Paper-Jan-2018-v2.0.pdf
dB to Watts calculator - http://www.satsig.net/lnb/db-calculator.htm
Where am I going with this ?.. MIMO 5G Phased Array Transmitters, what is the dB O/P at various 5G Frequencies ?
O/Power Falls of as a function of Frequency increase, higher G5 Fre then denser TX/RX station requirments per unit/area.
Phased Array Technology allows beam-steering and beams-switching capabilitys
Lots to research this weekend. Lobe's, Polarisation, EIRP, Bit-rates, Frequencies.
fansongecko,
Impreessive.
Always remember this is MURTDER MOST FOUL.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NbQkyvbw18&feature=share&fbclid=IwAR1msJwSf1ivZsSeRcT5XIXn9A7Mz45Xw8N47azBZDy9qNBc3o3myqYNBHM
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Thanks for the info and links. Sure makes you wonder about things.
Watched the Matrix trilogy on the weekend.....may be more truth to it than we think.
I would love to know the correlation between the mortality rate of the covid-19 infected people and the amount of them that had the flu shots vs not.
They are talking about ID2021 and putting microchips in the vaccine. What if they have already been doing that and the 5G frequencies is connected to that and weakens the immune systems further.
Think about who is most vulnerable. Elderly and people that have other health issues. All people that are most likely to be in line for a flu shot.
This will not be allowed up for long.....
https://masterminduniverse.net/2020/04/02/former-vodaphone-boss-blows-whistle-on-5g-coronavirus/
Coronavirus testing effort hampered by kits contaminated with Covid-19
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/03/30/uks-attempt-ramp-coronavirus-testing-hindered-key-components/
Britain's attempt to ramp up mass coronavirus testing has been dealt a blow after key components ordered from overseas were discovered to be contaminated with coronavirus, the Telegraph can disclose.
Laboratories across the country were on Monday warned to expect a delay after traces of the virus were detected in parts due for delivery in the coming days.
Quote from: kevin on April 03, 2020, 01:04:32 PM
This will not be allowed up for long.....
https://masterminduniverse.net/2020/04/02/former-vodaphone-boss-blows-whistle-on-5g-coronavirus/
This does back up your opinion Kevin
Quote from: micjer on April 03, 2020, 12:52:18 PM
Think about who is most vulnerable. Elderly and people that have other health issues. All people that are most likely to be in line for a flu shot.
What's strange about the most fragile people being the most affected?
Quote from: ArMaP on April 03, 2020, 02:22:23 PM
What's strange about the most fragile people being the most affected?
Please listen to My message.
I am a dowser that can detect the field about living entities.
That field enables that entity to remember to be, it contains the information of that entity....You are such.
That field is variable and shrinks with age or when depleted by other fields ( radiation)
Once the field is lowered consequences begin , and with the 5g new transmissions this is causing cell poisoning, which is then emitted as this covid 19.
This is a global coverup by vastly wealthy corperations that run this planet, they desire an internet of things for total dominant control.
You do not inform sheep about mint sauce, and how it is used, YOU are not been informed, You are been lied to, and the bigger the lie the more believe it.
This is war folks, but not how You have known it.
Just a quick one - The 5G Rollout map posted by ArMaP earlier on in the thread, in Europe doesn't appear to sync-up with the reported number of Corona-Virus cases in Spain, Italy -
The ex-Vodaphone guy states in the YT link by Kevin, that it is 5G that is creating the virus to be expunged from human bodies BUT I can't see a direct correlation.
Especially in both of those high (Italy & Spain) incidence countries, also knowing that the 5G implementations "appear" to require high-density 5G base-station implementations in the IEEE and other documents posted earlier today.
I am struggling to agree that the 5G roll-out IS causing the Coronavirus symptoms in European patients.
I agree that the 5G does appear to have significant health concerns due to the frequency and power output of the technology and its density of transmitters, and I appreciate it is to be used as a matrix for gathering all digital information from enabled devices - as I have said before we live in an electronic gulag (can't recall who the author of that quote is.. not me but a great quote all the same)
@micjer, yes I had heard another commentator report that the reason Trump pushed back on testing was the potential cross-contamination / intentional contamination of the testing units, and the UK was going to go its own with the modified AIDS virus test from Cambridge which gives results in 90 or so minutes.
Stay safe all -
Fans'
Drill down into the map to see numbers of 5G station rollouts per country - https://www.speedtest.net/ookla-5g-map
UK has 186
Spain = 18
Italy = 7
Germany = 22
USA = LOTS
Quote from: kevin on April 03, 2020, 02:39:02 PM
Once the field is lowered consequences begin , and with the 5g new transmissions this is causing cell poisoning, which is then emitted as this covid 19.
Covid-19 is a flu-like disease that goes away after 2 or 3 weeks, how do you explain that according to what you are saying?
Quote from: ArMaP on April 03, 2020, 08:00:14 PM
Covid-19 is a flu-like disease that goes away after 2 or 3 weeks, how do you explain that according to what you are saying?
It "goes away" if Your immune system is a high enough potential to defeat it.
that's why those with already low potential problems are most at risk.
The worst possible location for those most at risk is in hospitals that are flooded with 5g.
Look at the towers in the middle of hospitals, it's communication central.
Quote from: kevin on April 03, 2020, 08:30:35 PM
It "goes away" if Your immune system is a high enough potential to defeat it.
If 5G keeps on acting on the person's organism how are they cured?
Quote5G Spectrum Usage by Carrier
Not all service providers use the same frequency band for 5G. Like we mentioned above, there are advantages and disadvantages to using any part of the 5G spectrum.
T-Mobile: T-Mobile uses use low-band spectrum (600 MHz) as well as mid-band spectrum.
Verizon: Verizon's 5G Ultra Wideband network uses millimeter waves, specifically 28 GHz and 39 GHz.
AT&T: AT&T's deployment strategy is to use millimeter wave spectrum for dense areas and mid and low-spectrum for rural and suburban locations.
Sprint: Sprint claims to have more spectrum than any other carrier in the US, with three spectrum bands: 800 MHz, 1.9 GHz and 2.5 GHz.
https://www.lifewire.com/5g-spectrum-frequencies-4579825 (https://www.lifewire.com/5g-spectrum-frequencies-4579825)
We have been subjected to many of these same frequencies for over a decade or more via cordless phones, PCs, electrical equipment and electronic devices. It is unlikely COVID-19 was propagated through the use of 5G technology as this virus should have hit us more than 6 months ago spurred from other devices. The results of several scientific studies can be found here:
https://www.fda.gov/radiation-emitting-products/cell-phones/scientific-evidence-cell-phone-safety (https://www.fda.gov/radiation-emitting-products/cell-phones/scientific-evidence-cell-phone-safety)
In ref to the CV situation..
Since last week if I recall there was about 1000 UK deaths from CV... Then Friday it was over 4000.
The test will be to see how things are in about the next 2 weeks.. to see if Social distancing has helped improve things.
But IMO.. at the moment this seems worse than I initially thought if what they are showing us on the media is correct.
Also the Police / authorities are now claiming to even be more serious about monitoring us all.
maybe with roadblocks and also mentioning about monitoring our mobile phone signals...
In the USA Trump says he does not condem everyone to wear masks..
But there is mentioning that they maybe tagging people to carry chips to monitor them.
but it may soon become the norm as in the UK and europe and elsewhere its being suggested it may help.
They also say the virus can spread 8 Metres... if sneezing.. and if air currents may be valid at the time.
My thoughts if Alex jones theories are correct..
and its being done as he described..
Is it covers everything that he described... and could lead to having us ALL chipped.
Thats one of my main concerns... other than if the Virus is also designed to see us off..
Quote from: astr0144 on April 04, 2020, 08:58:30 PM
The test will be to see how things are in about the next 2 weeks.. to see if Social distancing has helped improve things.
It has to be more than that, at least three weeks until there's a noticeable change, as the natural result of doing nothing is an increase in cases.
QuoteAlso the Police / authorities are now claiming to even be more serious about monitoring us all.
maybe with roadblocks and also mentioning about monitoring our mobile phone signals...
Google has done that, see here (https://www.thejakartapost.com/life/2020/04/03/google-releases-location-data-to-show-if-coronavirus-lockdowns-working-in-131-countries.html) for an article about it and here (https://www.google.com/covid19/mobility/) for the data.
QuoteIn the USA Trump says he does not condem everyone to wear masks..
Masks do not protect fully the wearer, as they leave the eyes exposed, that's why doctors and nurses use visors.
QuoteBut there is mentioning that they maybe tagging people to carry chips to monitor them.
By whom?
Quotebut it may soon become the norm as in the UK and europe and elsewhere its being suggested it may help.
I doubt it, too much private information problems with that.
QuoteThey also say the virus can spread 8 Metres... if sneezing.. and if air currents may be valid at the time.
No, 2 metres, the virus lives in water droplets and they do not travel that far in normal conditions. Smaller droplets, even if infected, do not have viruses in enough quantity to infect a person.
Great links ArMap, thank you, how can I insert a PDF file from my laptop onto this page please?
Cheers,
Fans' :)
"crackpots"
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-52172570
This is funny.
Gather whatever You can about 5G before discussion is banned.
Crackpots here in the UK are burning down the masts, maybe they are hobbits?
crackpots in China have been cutting down the masts for a while, but it is not to shown on the British Brainwashing corperation etc etc.
Me thinks they doth protest Tooooo loudly.
Quote from: fansongecho on April 05, 2020, 10:32:33 AM
Great links ArMap, thank you, how can I insert a PDF file from my laptop onto this page please?
Unfortunately, there's no way of posting PDF files in a message, you have to upload the PDF file to some file hosting site and post the link to the file in here.
Interesting twist...
QuoteUSA just discovered the man who manufactured and sold the #coronavirus to #China. Dr #CharlesLieber, head of the chemistry and biology department at #HarvardUniversity, USA. He was just arrested today according to American department sources.
https://twitter.com/JohnBWellsCTM/status/1246505891911925762 (https://twitter.com/JohnBWellsCTM/status/1246505891911925762)
Thanks ArMaP - try this link for a UK Clinical report on Covid cases as of this morning and demographics data - not lamestream media fear-porn reporting.
https://www.dropbox.com/h?_tk=web_left_nav_bar
Can you please let me know if it works, this is the first time I have used Dropbox.
Cheers,
Fans'
It asks me to register or log in.
See this page (https://help.dropbox.com/files-folders/share/view-only-access) on how to share a Dropbox file.
Thanks ArMaP - can you try this again please ?
https://www.dropbox.com/s/8zz74z3hsew0ixp/ICNARC%20COVID-19%20report%202020-04-04.pdf.pdf?dl=0
F'
It works. :)
And it's a very interesting read, thanks for that.
Thnx ArMaP and for the tips - have a great Sunday buddy! :)
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11330196/coronavirus-scotland-catherine-calderwood-chief-medic-covid-19/
The chief medical officer to Scotland who has been telling everyone to stay at home and advising the first minister on the facts of this shit so called virus, has been caught out.
whilst spreading the doom and gloom fear garbage, she and her family have been driving off to their second home for cosy weekends away.
"the bigger the lie, the more people will believe it"
Who said that?
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/world-game/120834253/england-football-star-kyle-walker-breaks-coronavirus-lockdown-to-hire-two-sex-workers
England footballer who has been posting videos telling everyone to stay at home has been caught with his pants down literally.
He has organised a sex party whilst staying at home himself and his mates.
It's all a lie
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0166354220302011
The FDA-approved Drug Ivermectin inhibits the replication of SARS-CoV-2 in vitro
Although several clinical trials are now underway to test possible therapies, the worldwide response to the COVID-19 outbreak has been largely limited to monitoring/containment. We report here that Ivermectin, an FDA-approved anti-parasitic previously shown to have broad-spectrum anti-viral activity in vitro, is an inhibitor of the causative virus (SARS-CoV-2), with a single addition to Vero-hSLAM cells 2 hours post infection with SARS-CoV-2 able to effect ∼5000-fold reduction in viral RNA at 48 h. Ivermectin therefore warrants further investigation for possible benefits in humans.
con't on link.
This is a very common and easy to get product from even a veterinary clinic. Used on cattle for worms and lice.
I agree with Armap, that the claim of a relationship between 5G and Covid-19 is illogical.
With that said, I am sure as a matter of principle, that 5G will in some way further the psychopaths' goals of obtaining complete control of everything. I very much doubt that it will be a Terminal Phase Field Generator (http://www.goingfaster.com/term2029/helicis.html), however. That would be far too obvious; and that also assumes that they even have such technology to begin with.
Quote from: Ellirium113 on April 05, 2020, 03:03:39 PM
Interesting twist...
https://twitter.com/JohnBWellsCTM/status/1246505891911925762 (https://twitter.com/JohnBWellsCTM/status/1246505891911925762)
He also helped set up the lab in Wuhan where this all started...
Two of his "lab assistants" were Chinese nationals, one a lieutenant in the chicom army, the other caught boarding a plane with 21 bio specimens headed to China
Yeah...
::)
Seeker
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/australian-cruise-ship-stranded-off-uruguay-reports-60percent-on-board-have-coronavirus/ar-BB12i4EQ?ocid=spartandhp
You don't think it would be suggested that those 5g antenna balls have anything to do with this virus on that ship?
No that would only be said by crackpot conspiracy theorists.
Some really good info here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmL7okhbVzU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Le_rfTdayLs
QuoteA retired US Army Colonel is among a growing list of prominent figures to lend weight to the theory that the Coronavirus now ravaging the globe leaked from a Chinese bio-lab in Wuhan in late November.
Lawrence Sellin Ph.D. is a retired colonel with 29 years of service in the U.S. Army Reserve, who previously worked at the U.S. Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases.
In a recent op ed, he writes that while "there appears to be a politically-motivated campaign to demonstrate that CoVid-19 occurred naturally as a species 'jump' from animals to humans originating in the Wuhan wet market...there is still little evidence that directly supports that contention."
https://www.prisonplanet.com/us-army-colonel-coronavirus-was-leaked-from-a-chinese-lab.html (https://www.prisonplanet.com/us-army-colonel-coronavirus-was-leaked-from-a-chinese-lab.html)
QuoteREVEALED: Soros Invested Heavily in Chinese Biotech Research Company with Facility in Wuhan that Researches Respiratory Models and Infectious Disease
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/04/revealed-soros-invested-heavily-chinese-biotech-research-company-facility-wuhan-researches-respiratory-models-infectious-disease/ (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/04/revealed-soros-invested-heavily-chinese-biotech-research-company-facility-wuhan-researches-respiratory-models-infectious-disease/)
Quote from: kevin on April 08, 2020, 08:26:44 AM
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/australian-cruise-ship-stranded-off-uruguay-reports-60percent-on-board-have-coronavirus/ar-BB12i4EQ?ocid=spartandhp
You don't think it would be suggested that those 5g antenna balls have anything to do with this virus on that ship?
No that would only be said by crackpot conspiracy theorists.
If 5G is causing this how do you explain:
- countries with 5G but no cases;
- countries with cases but no 5G;
- people being cured while 5G is still active.
Would the crews of those ships also not have gotten sick much earlier as they have been on it from the time the ship was comissioned into service?
https://nypost.com/2020/04/05/woody-harrelson-sharing-coronavirus-conspiracy-theory-tied-to-5g/
Wild conspiracy theories linking 5G networks to the coronavirus pandemic are being blamed for a spate of attacks on UK cellphone towers — and are even being spread by celebrities such as Woody Harrelson.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQbdvvRVynA&feature=youtu.be
Medalion net, MEO sats.
@Kevin, you don't need to be quite so defensive buddy, people on here share their thoughts, ideas, theories about all sorts and it helps to be skeptical but with an open mind, don't think people are having a shot at you because they are not buying into your specific theory about 5G as the main source of the COVID outbreak & 5G relationship to it.
If you recall an earlier post-RE 5G rollout in Italy they have 7 5G base stations in the whole of Italy where the UK has something like 172 Base Stations - Spain has 18.
The outbreaks in both Italy and Spain don't correlate to the density of the base stations in the 3 countries above.
please check the link ArMaP kindly posted out to us last week - https://www.speedtest.net/ookla-5g-map
You may need to drill down into the map when it opens up it isn't very granular Kevin.
The one great thing about this site IS the diversity of opinions and theories, being challenged about something that you may believe in 100% makes for better critical thinking on our part(s) -
Do I believe a bat caused this Pandemic - NO chance.
Do I believe that a virus was released accidentally OR as a False Flag event by the so-called Deep State, I do think that this has some merit, I for sure don't trust Billy-boy Gates, and his pals Soros and Kissenger and their calls for global vaccinations ONCE a vaccine is found.
Do I believe 5G will be bad for us once it has the global network coverage that they are talking about YES I do believe that this will have really bad effects on humans, plants, and animals that are located near the transmitters -
I am still researching the actual declared power outputs of the transmitters, the transmitter's lobe, the density of the transmitters per unit area and the effective radiated power outputs.
I suspect that there may well be an upturn in the UK 5G network being vandalized, - I did hear that OFCOM (UK https://www.ofcom.org.uk/about-ofcom/latest/media/media-releases
Have quietly told UK news outlets to NOT discuss 5G conspiracy theories in print and on TV and Radio
- source = YT Channel London Real - 2 days back and David Icke interview was taken down by YT about the 5G / Covid links. :o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdYIz42dMH0 8)
Cheers
Fans' :)
fansongecko,
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-52228046
I mean how dare anyone suggest that there is anything wrong with the "soup of radiation"
He should be taken to the tower and locked up, crazy crackpot conspiracy theorist.
Kevin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5g4u1LJQ7_k&feature=share&fbclid=IwAR1BOFPPUD1Pd9wL9y0yURCrqeH6FpVmmAWwxbHd9HK2ufSim0xdfwTkuk8
They surely wouldn't say it's death by covid just to get more money, no not the heroes.
Kevin
1 Problem I have with the 5G theory is that 5G has very limited range also. So IF the frequencies in THAT spectrum are causing it then areas that do not have 5G should not be generating new cases. This would also be a very undesired effect given this would greatly interfere with the use of the technology in psychotronic warfare scenarios where this would be used to induce moods, thoughts etc. vs. a physically debilitating function that could potentially leave evidence of use of such technology for malicious purposes. It would be less traceable if it were used to tell the brain to simply turn off a function and kill the host. The intensity needed to induce this virus would also cause a host of other symptoms in various people not the same response in all people. The odds that 5G would produce the same coronavirus as in the bioweapon scenario or "Event 201" would be quite remarkable.
Quote
1st Stage Signs
feeling a shock as one drifts off to sleep, or seeing seeing lights as one drifts off to sleep.
Unaccountable increased heart rate.
Nervousness.
Irritability.
Aggravation reactions.
Erection dysfunction.
Compressing the vertebrae noted upon waking.
Sensitivity to sound.
Depression.
Minor spasms and Charlie horses.
Inability to concentrate.
Loss of memory.
Night sweats.
Sensitive ear to touch.
Upon waking finding that the muscles of the back are tingling as if electrified.
Ringing in one or both ears and or hear tone bursts
GERD (Difficulty in Swallowing)
Arthritis.
Eye Sight becomes blurred.
Teeth snap together when drowsy.
Loss of sleep.
Nails become wavy.
Water weight and cellulite accumulations on the upper thigh and buttocks from cellular fluids displaced generally from the head and upper body especially in women, where those fluids find ready redistribution in those areas.
Changes in the tone of the internal voice.
Waking up in extreme pain, and arthritis condition.
Spontaneous tearing without emotional thinking.
Mild pressure in the head, a cloudy feeling.
Increased need to urinate during the night.
Feeling puffs of air on the face and back, such may be a demodulation of energy on the skins surface.
Sensation that blood is trickling into localized areas of the brain and other parts of the body, this feeling is akin to the impression that these areas were devoid of blood.
Unaccountable increased heart rate just before drifting off to sleep causing the person to wake up.
2st Stage Signs
Burning sensation on the skin.
Loss of hair.
Feeling of temporary heating of the head.
(demodulating RF effect) Rashes.
Narcoleptic reactions, sleepiness.
Sleep only after exhaustion.
Virtual insomnia.
Miscarriage.
Gaunt face.
Facial wrinkles.
Losing skin turgor.
Hair breaks from rapid microwave heat on hair causing increase fracturing of hair shafts from expansion of water via humidity.
Loosing Control (unexplained anger)
Heating of body. (Body feeling as if it is being cooked)
Waking after sleep feeling as though you did not sleep, children's symptoms can manifest themselves as ADD and Hyperactivity
3rd Stage effects from exposure Loss of coordination.
Accidents from sleeplessness.
Damage to eyesight.
Atrophy of the muscles.
Heart valve damage.
Loss of weight and/or weight gain.
Nausea.
Sensitivity to sound.
Decreased dexterity.
Seizure.
Choking.
Vivid dreams.
Lost time. (Alzheimer type symptoms)
Change of mood.
Heart Attack.
The personality becomes quiet, a lack of thought takes place.
Decrease in mental activity.
Limbs jerk typically as one is trying to sleep.
Weakness.
Lethargy or hyperactivity.
Forgetfulness.
Constipation.
4th Stage Syndromes.
Disease.
Insanity.
Heart Attack.
Stroke.
Death.
https://www.ozelburoistihbarat.com/Content/images/archieve/mk-ultra-project-dew-directed-energy-weapons-electronic-harassment-symptoms-af75747e-88c2-4b4f-84ad-0601063950b1.pdf (https://www.ozelburoistihbarat.com/Content/images/archieve/mk-ultra-project-dew-directed-energy-weapons-electronic-harassment-symptoms-af75747e-88c2-4b4f-84ad-0601063950b1.pdf)
To FANSONGECHO...
"Do I believe a bat caused this Pandemic - NO chance"
Wait didn't you watch the movie 'Contagion'?
Pigs eating Bat crap in China is what started it.... ::) ;)
a} I don't believe that 5G has anything to do with the Corona virus.
However, I have still believed since their inception, that smartphones are one of the most monstrously evil forms of technology that have ever been invented, and thus, the smashing and burning of cell towers is an activity which I overwhelmingly support and encourage. I have long looked forward to a future in which every man, woman, and child on the planet smashes their mobile phone, and where all of the towers have been destroyed. I believe that that could only be positive for humanity as a whole.
b} My experience with mass shootings has consistently taught me to believe that the very earliest available information about a given event, is always the most accurate. The first account I heard regarding the Corona virus, was that it escaped from a virus research laboratory in Wuhan, and that is therefore the account that I am most inclined to believe.
For those who think this thing had natural origins; the three countries which originally had the highest rate of infection, were China, Iran, and Italy. Given Armap's predisposition towards objective logic, I would invite him to explain to me how a naturally occurring virus first appears in three countries with that amount of geographic distance between them, without causing a corresponding level of infection in the other countries between them.
@Kevin, I see Ofcom received 40 complaints about the Ike interview ::) so are investigating the program. :-[ beyond ridiculous.
I did indeed Sgt ;D
So the World Military games were held in.. wait for it... Wuhan in October 2019
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Military_World_Games#List_of_participating_nations
IS it possible, that they have managed to create a weaponised virus that can lay dormant for an extended period of time and by some unknown mechanism become activated at a distance via some binary or tertiary component ?? :o 8)
Also, the Chinese New Year celebrations which fell on the 24th Jan and lasts a week, the figures for people migrating back to China and out again are impressive - 7 million in 2019 - and 70 million total flights for 2019 specific to the celebrations.
source = https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-01-20/china-readies-for-world-s-biggest-human-migration-quicktake
Do we know if there is one or more variants of the COVID virus? - specific to genomes of race(s) in effect a tuned pathogen - The CRISPR gene editing technology would appear to suggest that this is possible.
Have a great Easter break if you can.
:)
Cheers and stay safe.
Fansongecho
QuoteDo we know if there is one or more variants of the COVID virus? - specific to genomes of race(s) in effect a tuned pathogen - The CRISPR gene editing technology would appear to suggest that this is possible.
A couple of weeks ago there were at least 8 different strains of it, it could be more by now...
Quote8 strains of the coronavirus are circling the globe. Here's what clues they're giving scientists.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/03/27/scientists-track-coronavirus-strains-mutation/5080571002/ (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/03/27/scientists-track-coronavirus-strains-mutation/5080571002/)
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/282751#Seven-families-of-viruses-identified,-including-HPV-and-herpesvirus
Everyone is carrying lots of viruses, it is what triggers any of these that 5G is to do with, and it is been beamed from loads of medium earth orbit satellites.
With all the other frequencies (radiations) mixing with 5g now it is an awful soup.
Any way stay at home unlike the UK minister who travelled 150 miles to his home , then another 40 miles to his parents all after spending time with Boris and TELLING everyone to stay at home.
kevin
@Kevin, keep your information coming so we can digest it. There does seem to be a lot of people that agree with your opinion in the world. Looking for a scientific correlation is key.
The other thing that concerns me about this 5G and Huawei is the spying aspect. Looks like China has already been doing some hacking, and could take it to another level.
BlackBerry uncovers China-backed hacking campaign
https://kitchener.ctvnews.ca/blackberry-uncovers-china-backed-hacking-campaign-1.4886987?fbclid=IwAR2k_tkCES8dxyh56kovIy60ETKccZgIJfyK29_gtIWPR9uAPzpd
TORONTO -- BlackBerry Ltd. says its researchers have uncovered how China-backed hackers have been able to extract data from many of the world's servers for a decade -- largely without being noticed by cyber security.
It says the tactics give the hackers the ability to extract information from huge amounts of valuable data from computers using the Linux operating system, which is used on most of the world's web servers and cloud servers.
A 44-page report published by BlackBerry says that five separate groups with links to the Chinese government have been using certain tactics and methods to target Linux systems for a decade.
"We're not suggesting that this is something entirely new and entirely stand-alone, and undiscovered," BlackBerry executive Eric Cornelius said in a phone interview Tuesday.
But, he said, BlackBerry asserts that the security industry has missed a major component of tactics used by a well-established hacker umbrella group known as WINNIT, which the company says works with China's government.
"As an industry, we've tended to focus too much on Windows-based devices because they make up the lion's share of the devices out there," Cornelius said.
"But the adversaries are determined and dedicated and . . . they find any opportunity and, in this case, we've called out some really novel techniques they've used against Linux and even the Android operating system to accomplish their goals."
Cornelius said the point of these China-backed hacking campaigns is to exfiltrate, or steal, information that the United States has claimed is worth "multiple billions of dollars" in intellectual property.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1e4jlZVNiI&feature=share&fbclid=IwAR0gWwHo0AWHvIF8PeYCbRykIit_lkcEuLePkL_2fyuN5HayLi4imjnx9q8
David Icke giving an overview of what is at play.
Quote from: petrus4 on April 10, 2020, 02:04:39 AM
However, I have still believed since their inception, that smartphones are one of the most monstrously evil forms of technology that have ever been invented, and thus, the smashing and burning of cell towers is an activity which I overwhelmingly support and encourage. I have long looked forward to a future in which every man, woman, and child on the planet smashes their mobile phone, and where all of the towers have been destroyed. I believe that that could only be positive for humanity as a whole.
Most people like phones because they allow them to keep in touch with other people, while people like me don't like phones because they allow other people to take control of the way I spend my time. Smartphones allow them to interact with other people in new ways, like having a video chat with family members on the other side of the world, so I don't think they will ever let go of their phones.
One thing that shows how people are connected to their phones is how they accept failures from their phones that they do not accept on computers, they have much more patience for phone problems than they have for problems with other equipment.
Quoteb} My experience with mass shootings has consistently taught me to believe that the very earliest available information about a given event, is always the most accurate. The first account I heard regarding the Corona virus, was that it escaped from a virus research laboratory in Wuhan, and that is therefore the account that I am most inclined to believe.
I heard that version a long time after knowing of the existence of the virus, the first version I heard was that it probably came from an infected animal in a "wet market".
QuoteFor those who think this thing had natural origins; the three countries which originally had the highest rate of infection, were China, Iran, and Italy. Given Armap's predisposition towards objective logic, I would invite him to explain to me how a naturally occurring virus first appears in three countries with that amount of geographic distance between them, without causing a corresponding level of infection in the other countries between them.
Iran and Italy were not the second and third countries to be affected by the virus.
Here's a timeline of the countries infected to include Iran:
| 1 | China | 01-12-2019 |
| 2 | Thailand | 13-01-2020 |
| 3 | United States | 15-01-2020 |
| 4 | Japan | 16-01-2020 |
| 5 | S. Korea | 20-01-2020 |
| 6 | Taiwan | 21-01-2020 |
| 7 | Hong Kong | 22-01-2020 |
| 8 | Macau | 22-01-2020 |
| 9 | Singapore | 23-01-2020 |
| 10 | Vietnam | 23-01-2020 |
| 11 | France | 24-01-2020 |
| 12 | Nepal | 24-01-2020 |
| 13 | Sweden | 24-01-2020 |
| 14 | Malaysia | 25-01-2020 |
| 15 | Canada | 25-01-2020 |
| 16 | Australia | 25-01-2020 |
| 17 | Cambodia | 27-01-2020 |
| 18 | Germany | 27-01-2020 |
| 19 | Sri Lanka | 27-01-2020 |
| 20 | Finland | 28-01-2020 |
| 21 | Pakistan | 29-01-2020 |
| 22 | UAE | 29-01-2020 |
| 23 | India | 30-01-2020 |
| 24 | Philippines | 30-01-2020 |
| 25 | Canary Islands | 31-01-2020 |
| 26 | Italy | 31-01-2020 |
| 27 | Russia | 31-01-2020 |
| 28 | Spain | 31-01-2020 |
| 29 | United Kingdom | 31-01-2020 |
| 30 | Belgium | 04-02-2020 |
| 31 | Egypt | 14-02-2020 |
| 32 | Ecuador | 14-02-2020 |
| 33 | Iran | 19-02-2020 |
Knowing that Iran announced their first two cases and, in the same day, announced they were both dead, I suppose we can push that date back some ten days, so it would be around February 9, with a gain of only two positions, from 33
rd to 31
st.
As for the level of infection, it depends on many factors, mostly how people behave. In a country where people rarely touch each other the disease will spread slower than on a country where people like to touch each other in their greetings.
Quote from: Ellirium113 on April 10, 2020, 12:35:25 PM
A couple of weeks ago there were at least 8 different strains of it, it could be more by now...https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/03/27/scientists-track-coronavirus-strains-mutation/5080571002/ (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/03/27/scientists-track-coronavirus-strains-mutation/5080571002/)
That article mentions a site that has a very interesting map that shows the mutations, spreading from country to country.
https://nextstrain.org/ncov
A little slow (at least on my computer) but interesting. :)
Edited to add: Scroll down for a world map with an animation of the spreading and mutations.
Quote from: micjer on April 10, 2020, 04:38:27 PM
The other thing that concerns me about this 5G and Huawei is the spying aspect. Looks like China has already been doing some hacking, and could take it to another level.
Like all others have been doing before. :)
QuoteTORONTO -- BlackBerry Ltd. says its researchers have uncovered how China-backed hackers have been able to extract data from many of the world's servers for a decade -- largely without being noticed by cyber security.
That report reads more like propaganda than a technical report, as between the technical parts it "injects" some words and sentences that do not make sense from a technical point of view.
One example is when they say that Linux is used on almost all servers because of its "always on" nature. All server operating systems are made to be always on, as servers are not supposed to be turned off.
Interesting, but I don't trust it much.
Quote from: ArMaP on April 10, 2020, 08:41:44 PM
Most people like phones because they allow them to keep in touch with other people, while people like me don't like phones because they allow other people to take control of the way I spend my time.
One of the biggest problems I'm having right now is that while I want to continue to live, the way the world is changing, is creating a scenario where viably living here is becoming more and more difficult. I've had suicidal ideation at times in the past, but over the last week or so it has happened every 1-2 days. The one thing that is holding me back, more than anything else, is that I really don't have a method of doing it available at the moment, which I think is probably a very good thing.
QuoteOne thing that shows how people are connected to their phones is how they accept failures from their phones that they do not accept on computers, they have much more patience for phone problems than they have for problems with other equipment.
This is a good example of the level of popular stupidity which, among other things, is fuelling my current suicidal inclinations. More than anything else, I am tired of humanity. If I could live in genuine isolation, I would be a lot happier.
QuoteI heard that version a long time after knowing of the existence of the virus, the first version I heard was that it probably came from an infected animal in a "wet market".
Iran and Italy were not the second and third countries to be affected by the virus.
I stand corrected. Thank you, Armap.
Quote from: petrus4 on April 11, 2020, 01:12:32 AM
This is a good example of the level of popular stupidity which, among other things, is fuelling my current suicidal inclinations. More than anything else, I am tired of humanity. If I could live in genuine isolation, I would be a lot happier.
The problem with humanity is that, like in other things, the bad gets more noticed than the good, so we get to see and ear about all that stupidity (specially on Facebook and other like it, that only allow positive comments), while the good goes unnoticed.
Interesting videos
https://youtu.be/RQ3Bdi0FZeM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRDPi7l-NA4&feature=emb_title
https://youtu.be/TlbDg09i1wc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ie6lRKAdvuY
Global.
He is the devil incarnate.
Kevin
Quote from: kevin on April 12, 2020, 02:33:51 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ie6lRKAdvuY
Global.
He is the devil incarnate.
Why?
Now that I have the data to do it, I made a short video showing how Covid-19 spread across the World.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRB6dr8SP2A
After China, the first date was January 13. It ends on April 10.
Quote from: kevin on April 12, 2020, 06:27:01 PM
It might be His long curly tail?
No tail visible on the video.
Quote from: Ellirium113 on April 12, 2020, 01:23:46 PM
Interesting videos
https://youtu.be/RQ3Bdi0FZeM
As someone who was born a year after Microsoft was founded, and has used a computer for probably 38 of my 43 years of life, I have sincerely and passionately believed that William Henry Gates III has urgently needed a close encounter with a wood chipper, for the majority of my existence.
(https://www.vermeer.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/product-image-vermeer-bc1800xl-wood-chipper-7.jpg)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjjybyJ59Lw&feature=youtu.be&app=desktop
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86VJlhw0DQQ&app=desktop
Dr. SHIVA Ayyadurai, MIT PhD Crushes Dr. Fauci Exposes Birx, Clintons, Bill Gates, And The W.H.O
https://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=230110
Quote from: petrus4 on April 13, 2020, 05:14:55 AM
As someone who was born a year after Microsoft was founded, and has used a computer for probably 38 of my 43 years of life, I have sincerely and passionately believed that William Henry Gates III has urgently needed a close encounter with a wood chipper, for the majority of my existence.
Why?
Quote from: micjer on April 13, 2020, 04:19:10 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjjybyJ59Lw&feature=youtu.be&app=desktop
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86VJlhw0DQQ&app=desktop
Dr. SHIVA Ayyadurai, MIT PhD Crushes Dr. Fauci Exposes Birx, Clintons, Bill Gates, And The W.H.O
After six minutes I stopped watching, as it sounded that the Dr. was not giving a technical opinion but a political opinion.
Quotehttps://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=230110
That's more interesting. :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OI6QVDeOa1k
If You stop watching this video, well just welcome in the NWO.
Kevin
Quote from: kevin on April 13, 2020, 09:38:20 PM
If You stop watching this video, well just welcome in the NWO.
I didn't even start. :)
Edited to make it clear: I did start it, just enough to see how long it was, which took me less than half a second. Then I stopped without seeing anything of it.
Quote from: ArMaP on April 13, 2020, 07:44:11 PM
Why?
This document (http://www.catb.org/~esr/halloween/halloween1.html) can serve as an introduction. It is a comparitive analysis of Microsoft's and the open source development methodology, and it provides a great illustration of Microsoft's core, repeated modus operandi.
Putting it simply, Gates is a parasitic psychopath, and a quintessential example of the very worst and most destructive characteristics of Friedmanite corporate Capitalism. Every cent of his fortune has come from the theft and marketing of software which he either
extremely cheaply paid for, or outright stole; and Microsoft never fail to poison the well after they have taken what they want, either. The companies they have targetted do not merely have their inventions stolen; they are either acquired or destroyed via abuse of the legal system as well.
Microsoft have held back technological advancement for the sake of their own gain, to a degree that I can hardly even begin to imagine. For a certain period of time, Linux distributions were able to continue regardless; but then Microsoft and Intel introduced the UEFI replacement for the PC BIOS, which effectively means that only operating systems with certifications from either of those two companies, can run natively on PC hardware.
Microsoft have also employed various other tricks so that the majority of modern hardware requires software drivers which will only function under Windows. In the past, it was far more common for different peripherals (modems, disk drives etc) to have their own physical processor, which allowed them to be operating system agnostic.
I should also point out, that I am only talking here about what Gates has done with regards to business. There have been numerous allegations regarding paedophilia, and using his supposed philanthropy as a cover for the eugenicist sterilisation of African populations as well.
This is great news
WASHINGTON DC – In a stunning turn of events, Surgeon General Jerome Adams explained in an interview on live XM radio, that the Coronavirus Task Force has, effectively, dumped the Bill Gates/CDC/WHO predictive contagion model, and is now working with the real data.
https://www.fort-russ.com/2020/04/major-plans-to-re-open-u-s-surgeon-general-adams-dumps-gates-predictive-contagion-model/
This runs contrary to the out-and-out fear-mongering of Dr. Fauci and Bill Gates who have made a media tour, threatening the public that businesses may not re-open for six months to a year, or until and unless governments purchase their conveniently patented, big-pharma vaccination.
Some video links will disappear as the Chinese manage to scrub the stuff from the Internet.
Quote from: petrus4 on April 14, 2020, 06:55:51 AM
Microsoft have held back technological advancement for the sake of their own gain, to a degree that I can hardly even begin to imagine.
Could you give an example?
QuoteFor a certain period of time, Linux distributions were able to continue regardless; but then Microsoft and Intel introduced the UEFI replacement for the PC BIOS, which effectively means that only operating systems with certifications from either of those two companies, can run natively on PC hardware.
EFI is an Intel technology. UEFI is an extension of that managed by the UEFI Forum, of which Intel and Microsoft are part. Microsoft was supposed to be the only entity providing OS image signatures, so if a Linux distribution wanted to have access to Safeboot (part of UEFI) they would need to ask Microsoft for a signature. Some did that. Others created their own signing processes and signed their own OS images. Most do not even use Safeboot, as most UEFI implementations allow it to be disabled.
QuoteMicrosoft have also employed various other tricks so that the majority of modern hardware requires software drivers which will only function under Windows. In the past, it was far more common for different peripherals (modems, disk drives etc) to have their own physical processor, which allowed them to be operating system agnostic.
Hardware vendors chose to do it that way, it was not something imposed by Microsoft. Some vendors have been supplying Linux drivers for a long time while others just ignore it.
QuoteI should also point out, that I am only talking here about what Gates has done with regards to business.
He has acted like a business man trying to put and keep his company at the top, like all do.
QuoteThere have been numerous allegations regarding paedophilia, and using his supposed philanthropy as a cover for the eugenicist sterilisation of African populations as well.
Allegations can be target to anyone and mean nothing if there aren't any real evidences. Most of the cases I have seen about people saying he wants sterilisation of African populations get their information from biased sources and/or sources that purposely present information in a way to fool the reader/watched.
PS: I have seen the information Microsoft sent to their partners to try to fight Linux when looking for new clients, and it was a common business approach.
Quote from: spacemaverick on April 14, 2020, 08:34:02 PM
Some video links will disappear as the Chinese manage to scrub the stuff from the Internet.
That's why I always download videos I find interesting. :)
There is one upside to so many people having all this free time... many have their eyes on the issue - every move made is under the watchful eye of the public now we all aren't so distracted with that "work" thing. ;)
https://youtu.be/WNb64xrcJAY
No Vaccine, No Job: Eugenicist Bill Gates Demands "Digital Certificates" To Prove Coronavirus...https://worldtruth.tv/no-vaccine-no-job-eugenicist-bill-gates-demands-digital-certificates-to-prove-coronavirus-vaccination-status/ (https://worldtruth.tv/no-vaccine-no-job-eugenicist-bill-gates-demands-digital-certificates-to-prove-coronavirus-vaccination-status/)
2nd coronavirus vaccine trial begins in the U.S., with a pinch and a zapQuoteInovio research and development chief Kate Broderick likens it to giving the body an FBI wanted poster so it can recognize the enemy.
But after the skin-deep injection, researchers must hold a device over the spot that gives a little electrical zap. The synthetic DNA is large when it comes to penetrating human cells, and the pulse helps the vaccine more easily penetrate and get to work, Broderick said.
DNA vaccines are a new technology. But Inovio has experimental vaccines against other diseases that are made the same way that have passed initial safety testing.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1180021?fbclid=IwAR2GjhoEaD6vL3n4oY3aZGdgqLCBb0T0r_O042Uw6CkX5vCjFS0M5KupDjY (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1180021?fbclid=IwAR2GjhoEaD6vL3n4oY3aZGdgqLCBb0T0r_O042Uw6CkX5vCjFS0M5KupDjY)
What else can that little zap turn on or off inside that coding? ???
The Elites Are Already Prepared For The Coming Collapse Of The Dollar BubbleQuoteWith the amount of fiat creation that is necessary to support almost the entirety of the U.S. economy for the next several months, I suspect the dollar's global reserve status will come under question before the end of the year. In the meantime, the establishment will attempt to force the idea of a digital currency system into daily public discussion.
With a dollar collapse, the populace will have little choice but to either bow down to the new digital system or go rogue and start building their own systems using their own production, barter, local scrip, and gold and silver. This is the world we are heading into, make no mistake. Be ready for it.
https://www.prisonplanet.com/the-elites-are-already-prepared-for-the-coming-collapse-of-the-dollar-bubble.html (https://www.prisonplanet.com/the-elites-are-already-prepared-for-the-coming-collapse-of-the-dollar-bubble.html)
With 3 different strains and multiple mutations I suspect this virus will also be sticking around until the vaccine is ready...all 8 different flavors and colors:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSVse07y2O4
Ellrrium113,
Your link about so called vaccine shows how 5G is been utilised right now to TRIGGER the covid virus.
the device mentioned will transmit at the required ghz frequency, this is not an either or neither situation, and the vast overall majority of the population are too blind to recognise it.
If Your personal immune system ( field of consciousness) is reduced for whatever reason/s then the virus that is already within You will be able to penetrate Your cells.
The mind control is organised by the Tavistock institute in London.
Kevin
Quote from: kevin on April 15, 2020, 09:38:44 AM
If Your personal immune system ( field of consciousness) is reduced for whatever reason/s then the virus that is already within You will be able to penetrate Your cells.
Why did this happened only now (November 2019, apparently), if the virus was already in everybody's system?
India Drags China to International Court for COVID19 Biological War
https://www.scribd.com/document/454999758/India-Drags-China-to-International-Court-for-COVID19-Biological-War#from_embed (https://www.scribd.com/document/454999758/India-Drags-China-to-International-Court-for-COVID19-Biological-War#from_embed)
Likely lawyers will be the only ones to get any money. But good on India.
This could be a significant move for those that think WHO is working for the Deep State
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEFccVqhu5k
ArMap,
https://www.ageuk.org.uk/Documents/EN-GB/For-professionals/Services%20for%20Later%20Life/ID200921%20Digital%20Inclusion%20In%20Care%20Homes%2024ppA4.pdf?dtrk=true
It will depend upon when the virus was released ( probably by con trails) and then where 5g is located and the satellites focus upon ( they have phased ray directional transmitters)
Then choose the most at risk, and thus cause FEAR BASED CONTROL by causing huge spikes in deaths.
You will eventually have populations that will do as told, by the fuhrer bill gates.
Kevin
Quote from: kevin on April 15, 2020, 04:56:32 PM
It will depend upon when the virus was released ( probably by con trails) and then where 5g is located and the satellites focus upon ( they have phased ray directional transmitters)
How does that explain people getting sick because one specific person was infected and was in contact with them?
QuoteThen choose the most at risk, and thus cause FEAR BASED CONTROL by causing huge spikes in deaths.
There isn't a huge spike (not even a big spike) in deaths.
QuoteYou will eventually have populations that will do as told, by the fuhrer bill gates.
People already do what they are indirectly told, there's no need to change that.
Quote from: ArMaP on April 16, 2020, 01:22:44 AM
How does that explain people getting sick because one specific person was infected and was in contact with them?
There isn't a huge spike (not even a big spike) in deaths.
People already do what they are indirectly told, there's no need to change that.
https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-health-coronavirus-britain-elderly/deaths-soar-at-britains-care-homes-as-covid-19-stalks-elderly-idUKKCN21R3AL
Over 2000 care homes in England are reporting huge deaths related to this.
Those who have created this will be saying to themselves " oh well they would have died soon anyway"
Eventually ArMap You will begin to realise what is been undertaken , and why millions of our ancestors fought to defeat this fascist eugenics based evil.
Kevin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpR_FEYx65E&feature=share&fbclid=IwAR05ynrFguhPWRkYYaMYviWgWfMEwxonBEH1-KzJWjrNLVEL2SkKoW65CCY
They will soon bring in COMPULSORY vaccination.
Take the red pill, or the blue pill?????
Kevin
This reminds me of the movies of Matrix.
Giving in to the vaccine will be giving in to the Matrix. Computer chip will give them ultimate power over your control with even the potential of a terminator code if one strays from obedience.
5G likely is needed for the full implementation of this.
Half of the deaths here in Canada are in old age homes. All patients are forced to take vaccines. Who says that they are not case studies for their planned control.
I see a lot of paranoia going on here. Let's see if we can come up with a movie that makes sense in all of this. A plot that mirrors what's going on in the world today? ;)
Well John Lear says that the current bug was developed in the Area 51 local. More devious gobment involvement. ::)
As far as deaths, sure there are some that are younger that are getting it and dying.
BUT, the vast majority of the deaths, i.e. nursing homes, retirement facilities are the elderly (who can't fight of infection very well) and those that already have pre-existing ailments.
I.E. heart diseases, respiratory problems, overweight, diabetes and general unhealthy life styles.
My wife is an RN that works at a long term care facility and we're talking about people that under normal conditions would be dead already without their daily fix of drugs.
(and another note) retirement homes that keep people 'quarantined' in a group, i.e. trapped are the ones that have those high death rates.
Just my opinion coming from an unhealthy 70 year old heart disease guy, hanging on for the next surprise. ;D 8)
Quote from: kevin on April 16, 2020, 06:58:03 AM
https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-health-coronavirus-britain-elderly/deaths-soar-at-britains-care-homes-as-covid-19-stalks-elderly-idUKKCN21R3AL
Over 2000 care homes in England are reporting huge deaths related to this.
Those who have created this will be saying to themselves " oh well they would have died soon anyway"
Eventually ArMap You will begin to realise what is been undertaken , and why millions of our ancestors fought to defeat this fascist eugenics based evil.
Kevin
That does not answer my question.
BUT, the vast majority of the deaths, i.e. nursing homes, retirement facilities are the elderly (who can't fight of infection very well) and those that already have pre-existing ailments.
I.E. heart diseases, respiratory problems, overweight, diabetes and general unhealthy life styles.
My wife is an RN that works at a long term care facility and we're talking about people that under normal conditions would be dead already without their daily fix of drugs.
Good point Sarge.
My dad died in one of these bug infested places 8 years ago.
I believe there were 13 deaths in a month from just the ordinary flu. This was not a large facility.
The amount of drugs distributed daily room to room made my head spin.
Quote from: micjer on April 16, 2020, 12:52:58 PM
Giving in to the vaccine will be giving in to the Matrix. Computer chip will give them ultimate power over your control with even the potential of a terminator code if one strays from obedience.
Are you talking about a chip included in the vaccines?
I don't see that happening in countries with privacy laws.
Yes, and sure hope you are correct.
So are there privacy laws in Bangladesh...
https://www.biometricupdate.com/201909/id2020-and-partners-launch-program-to-provide-digital-id-with-vaccines
ID2020 and partners launch program to provide digital ID with vaccines
The ID2020 Alliance has launched a new digital identity program at its annual summit in New York, in collaboration with the Government of Bangladesh, vaccine alliance Gavi, and new partners in government, academia, and humanitarian relief.
The program to leverage immunization as an opportunity to establish digital identity was unveiled by ID2020 in partnership with the Bangladesh Government's Access to Information (a2i) Program, the Directorate General of Health Services, and Gavi, according to the announcement.
Digital identity is a computerized record of who a person is, stored in a registry. It is used, in this case, to keep track of who has received vaccination.
......................
It begs the question what other cases can it be used....
I just don t like it at all.
Quote from: ArMaP on April 16, 2020, 01:46:38 PM
Are you talking about a chip included in the vaccines?
I don't see that happening in countries with privacy laws.
You will soon change Your tune, as the vaccine is a sprat to catch a mackerel.
This is a planneddemic, with an agenda, and they will use this under a war footing to impose that agenda, especially if the vast population stick their heads in the sand and believe what they are been told.
Like it or not, this is a war, and it has nothing to do with a virus, that is just a means to start the agenda rolling
Kevin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q83qWJo4_rU
If You think this is all just paranoia, then take the blue pill and become a member of the borg, resistance is futile.
If You aware enough to recognise what is at play, then take the red pill and welcome to the reality of an enslaved population where the elderly will be terminated as useless eaters, where entire races will be terminated to free up such as Africa.
Adolph gates as the leader of a global governance.
If that is a world You want, simply believe them.
Stay couped up like chickens awaiting slaughter.
Kevin
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/coronavirus/review-into-why-ethnic-minorities-worst-hit-by-covid-19/ar-BB12IIsu?MSCC=1587057477&ocid=spartandhp
Hmmmmm if You equate this with a eugenics program????????
But they won't
Kevin
Quote from: kevin on April 16, 2020, 04:05:50 PM
If You think this is all just paranoia, then take the blue pill and become a member of the borg, resistance is futile.
If You aware enough to recognise what is at play, then take the red pill and welcome to the reality of an enslaved population where the elderly will be terminated as useless eaters, where entire races will be terminated to free up such as Africa.
I am becoming tired of the constant Matrix stereotypes; truthfully I did a long time ago. The main reason why, is because in my experience it's usually those who claim that they have the "red pill," who are actually more deluded than anyone else.
QuoteAdolph gates as the leader of a global governance.
Gates isn't the leader of jack squat, as far as I am concerned. He is a contemptible, narcissistic psychopath who uses his retirement money to further a eugenics agenda, while using philanthropy as a cover. He's had some TV spots recently where he was able to make himself look like he knew what he was talking about, in the minds of people who don't know any better; but I've already read about people who actually do know, rejecting his ideas on this.
My perspective on this is astrologically based. The lockdown will broadly end on May the 8th, which is when the lunar North Node retrogrades out of the sign of Cancer and back into Gemini. The Saturn/Pluto conjunction in Capricorn ended a month or so ago, and that and the North Node were the two main drivers of this. We still have Jupiter/Pluto, which has been present during several historical plagues as well, but it is not as bad as Saturn/Pluto. Jupiter is a beneficial influence, so it and Pluto cancel each other out somewhat.
Saturn will retrograde back into Capricorn in late August, and with that we can expect a second wave or "echo," of the virus, lasting between September and probably November, but it will not be as bad as the primary attack, which is almost over at this point.
I invite Armap to record this prediction, and watch what unfolds. If I am wrong, I will have no objection to being told so.
QuoteStay couped up like chickens awaiting slaughter.
Where do you suggest we go, Kevin? I had earlier plans to move into state, but then I had to get a birth certificate in order to even travel domestically now; and although I luckily got it in time, in Australia the state borders are now closed, at least for the time being.
Please do not assume that at least some of us would not move if we had the option.
Petrus4,
Here's a video about frequencies.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PszlnvCFQWA&feature=share&fbclid=IwAR3YKjMtpCDHsqZnTywxzOct03oIeq0P-1YUwDjpglWHGSzx--F-JEbqYU0
Quote from: micjer on April 16, 2020, 02:15:48 PM
Yes, and sure hope you are correct.
So are there privacy laws in Bangladesh...
From what I could see, not much.
Quote from: kevin on April 16, 2020, 04:05:50 PM
If You think this is all just paranoia, then take the blue pill and become a member of the borg, resistance is futile.
If You aware enough to recognise what is at play, then take the red pill and welcome to the reality of an enslaved population where the elderly will be terminated as useless eaters, where entire races will be terminated to free up such as Africa.
I already take several pills, I don't have a need for more, blue or red. :)
As for that idea of "freeing up such as Africa", if they kill the population who does all the work?
QuoteAdolph gates as the leader of a global governance.
If that is a world You want, simply believe them.
No, that's the world some people are using to try to scare other people. I don't know what intentions they have behind that behaviour.
Quote from: petrus4 on April 16, 2020, 06:53:33 PM
I am becoming tired of the constant Matrix stereotypes; truthfully I did a long time ago. The main reason why, is because in my experience it's usually those who claim that they have the "red pill," who are actually more deluded than anyone else.
Exactly.
Isn't it funny how some people talk against Hollywood but blindly accept everything that appears to support their ideas?
Psychology is a funny thing. :)
QuoteThe lockdown will broadly end on May the 8th, which is when the lunar North Node retrogrades out of the sign of Cancer and back into Gemini.
Which lockdown?
QuoteI invite Armap to record this prediction, and watch what unfolds. If I am wrong, I will have no objection to being told so.
Consider it done. :)
Quote from: kevin on April 16, 2020, 06:58:11 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PszlnvCFQWA&feature=share&fbclid=IwAR3YKjMtpCDHsqZnTywxzOct03oIeq0P-1YUwDjpglWHGSzx--F-JEbqYU0
Am watching this now. I'm 2 minutes in, and already I can count three mistakes this video has made, which although I will, is not making me enthusiastic about listening to the rest of it.
a} A health supplement ad at the very start of the video.
No, I'm not one of Alex Jones' gullible, schizophrenic cultists who you can use as a cash battery via colloidal silver, so that you can view pandering to said schizophrenia as an occupation, in lieu of finding a legitimate source of income. I resent the implication. Some people might consider the fact that I have been on a disability support pension since the year after I left high school to be deeply contemptible; but at least I can say that I have never resorted to fraud.
b} The use of gratuitously "dramatic" music while promoting said health supplement.
c} Science. This is a science video, where we're going to be talking about science. Did I remember to mention that there will be science?
Protip:- If you're going to make a video filled with the kind of material that most people associate with the homeless, mentally ill Radagast the Brown stereotype, don't remotely bother trying to beg the indulgence of materialistic atheists or anyone from academia, because you ain't going to get it. That ship has already sailed. I personally don't rely on the opinions of those who primarily care about the word "science," in order to determine what I believe, but I am annoyed by attempts to obtain the permission of said people to exist. Just present your subject, and let me decide if I think it is credible or not by myself.
I absolutely believe in the possibility of sonic weaponry, but the amount of commercialism, "we have to make people think we're
scientific" namedropping, and other BS which this is layered in, is making it painful to sit through. The idea itself is not what bothers me; it's the fact that they are trying so hard to make themselves sound scientifically literate, when it is teeth-grindingly obvious that they aren't.
https://www.infoceuticals.co/en/posts/dr-royal-raymond-rife-rife-frequencies
The5g is transmitted over variant frequencies in the ghz range, from 27 to 100ghz.
The directional phased ray satellites can thus transmit over which ever desired frequency , and be focussed upon specific recievers.
If as I suspect the population of this planets DNA has been plotted and its variations noted, then each variant strand can be targetted with it's own unique bio field frequency, this will enable eugenics to be carried out around the globe.
The ghz range of 60 is the range where iron is targetted and it's ability to enable oxygen absorbtion.
Rife identified such, and knew with a local beamed frequency directed into living entities that every unique disease could be eliminated by matching that specific disease bio field resonance.
His works were destroyed and His findings confiscated.
YOU reader have a unique bio field.
Kevin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFR5EtO_zdM&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR1ptHqd98yMjvhU0VepdnJ9x9EkJ8H8tzv670YyCyd0-6kcw-VmC2-hWQ4
A frequency video.
Quote from: kevin on April 17, 2020, 08:52:06 AM
The directional phased ray satellites can thus transmit over which ever desired frequency , and be focussed upon specific recievers.
What do you mean by "specific recievers"?
Quote from: kevin on April 17, 2020, 08:52:06 AM
https://www.infoceuticals.co/en/posts/dr-royal-raymond-rife-rife-frequencies
The5g is transmitted over variant frequencies in the ghz range, from 27 to 100ghz.
The directional phased ray satellites can thus transmit over which ever desired frequency , and be focussed upon specific recievers.
If as I suspect the population of this planets DNA has been plotted and its variations noted, then each variant strand can be targetted with it's own unique bio field frequency, this will enable eugenics to be carried out around the globe.
The ghz range of 60 is the range where iron is targetted and it's ability to enable oxygen absorbtion.
Rife identified such, and knew with a local beamed frequency directed into living entities that every unique disease could be eliminated by matching that specific disease bio field resonance.
His works were destroyed and His findings confiscated.
YOU reader have a unique bio field.
Kevin
The only problem with this is that the virus is doing the same thing with areas with no 5G coverage so this might only be plausible for a portion of infected. I find it more circumstantial than direct proof. I have little doubt however, that the 5G tech would definitely be used for tracking / spying.
Quote from: Ellirium113 on April 17, 2020, 12:24:58 PM
The only problem with this is that the virus is doing the same thing with areas with no 5G coverage so this might only be plausible for a portion of infected. I find it more circumstantial than direct proof. I have little doubt however, that the 5G tech would definitely be used for tracking / spying.
They have built a grid of medium orbit satellites of directional phase ray transmitters to then beam a desired frequency, this is weapon based, and at present they are beaming a frequency that creates the consequence that they are blaming a virus for.
The virus as with countless other thousands are within us all, it is the frequency that TYRIGGERS the consequences, which all so called diseases are.
This is designed to create fear ( it is working brilliantly)
It is designed to enable a war like footing, again all boxes ticked.
Thank goodness for president Trump, as big a clown as He is been portrayed, He is standing up to them ( them not been humans)
Kevin
Quote from: ArMaP on April 17, 2020, 09:43:41 AM
What do you mean by "specific recievers"?
Humans,
At present the ones with depleted bio fields, to enable the lie been sold so brilliantly.
This is high intelligence operated, but they have no empathy.
Kevin
Quote from: kevin on April 17, 2020, 01:12:18 PM
Thank goodness for president Trump, as big a clown as He is been portrayed, He is standing up to them ( them not been humans)
How is he standing up to them and who are "them"?
Quote from: ArMaP on April 17, 2020, 01:55:39 PM
How is he standing up to them and who are "them"?
I think You would be better asking John Lear for that answer.
Kevin
I'm trying to figure out what 5G has to do with the coronavirus. We should be looking at its origin. What does 5 G have to do with a virus in the medical sense? This thread has gone off-topic.
Quote from: spacemaverick on April 17, 2020, 05:18:00 PM
I'm trying to figure out what 5G has to do with the coronavirus. We should be looking at its origin. What does 5 G have to do with a virus in the medical sense? This thread has gone off-topic.
Try to come out of the programming, You are buying a lie, the biggest ever told.
It is a specific frequency been transmitted at 60 ghz that is causing what is been said to be a virus.
The consequence is cell poisoning with oxygen been unable to be absorbed.
Kevin
From here (http://www.goingfaster.com/term2029/helicis.html):-
After 2015 A.D., SKYNET began to actively use its vast understanding of the electrical and chemical process of the human brain and the human central nervous system to great advantage in regards to security of its automated installations. Large NPFGs, or Neural Phase Field Generators (often called "fear field generators" by the humans who encountered them), were installed deep within the installations, operating on harmonic frequencies which caused the same artificially induced reaction in humans as naturally generated abject fear, paranoia and in some cases, direct nausea or even uncontrolled epilepsy-like fits and seizures. The NPFGs were used to great success as wards on the perimeter to deter security breaches. The science and application behind the NPFG was a breakthrough in human neural research. SKYNET had discovered during its many years of applied study to captured test subjects that specific frequencies of ultra-sonic sound waves, when mixed with specific electromagnetic field variations, could directly affect the human mind and nervous system in an increasingly detrimental method, the more power or the stronger the field was made, the greater the effect or the wider the area of effect.
At very high levels, the NPFG could cause massive cerebral hemorrhaging and even death in the test subjects by destroying the walls of the thin veins and vessels which supplied blood to the brain. This curious effect of tuning the NPFG to highly specific operating frequencies and recalibrating the emitter modulations began to produce consistent results in laboratory evaluations among live test subjects. SKYNET was pleased that it had discovered what could only be termed as a "death field generator." The TPFG, or Terminal Phase Field Generators, first appeared in limited installation testing in 2024 A.D. and by 2026 A.D. the TPFGs were forming one of the core threat buffers to SKYNET's critical asset installations. A radical evolutionary step up from the NPFGs, the TPFG was designed around a much narrower phase induction of the electromagnetic spectrum which affected the human mind and the human nervous system's capacity to operate correctly. Put simply, any human entering the volume of a TPFG would find the electro-chemical operation of their brain and central nervous system to be overloaded. The effect was to burn out the CNS and neural pathways and the end result took less than three seconds to achieve, dropping humans in their spot lifelessly with massive cerebral hemorrhaging and fusing of the finer neural pathways.
The power required to generate this field relegated it's use to fixed installations though research was uncovered in 2032 A.D. that indicated that SKYNET was working on a portable version to be mounted in a heavy tracked chassis as well as a possible orbital variation that could beam the TP field down from space over a large area, with a good amount of ground penetration and casualty effectiveness at more than 30 meters of depth. If SKYNET had ever been able to produce such a device it would have given SKYNET a very real, orbital death ray and one that would have been nearly impossible to defend against by the Resistance.
I believe that this, in plain English, with all of the commercialism, emoting, and other nonsense stripped away, is the allegation being made regarding 5G. That it is, in essense, a networked neural phase field generator; a system for the transmission of ultrasonic frequencies which can be used to control the human mind and emotions, and possibly even to induce death, on command.
If, hypothetically, we assume for a moment that this is true, then we should also consider the amount of power it would place in the hands of whoever controlled it. It would make the proverbial One Ring of Sauron look like a Christmas cracker prize by comparison. Try to imagine how difficult it would be, to effectively resist the owner of such a weapon.
The real barrier to anyone believing such a possibility, more than anything else, is the level of pure horror that it generates.
It's funny. I customarily regard myself as a coward, but when I think about it, I realise I am not. I am able to calmly analyse and discuss ideas, which would cause most human beings to simply go insane with screaming, gibbering terror.
This is the real reason why most people insist that Bill Gates and others like him, are genuinely compassionate philanthropists, and not the child raping, murdering, psychopathic monsters which some of us know them to be. It is because the minds of most people simply can not handle it. Most people are basically kind; and to minds which are kind, or at least harmless, the level of evil which are talking about here, is incomprehensible.
Perhaps the one thing that I should be truly afraid of, is the fact that such thoughts do not have the same effect on me, that they do on the majority. Perhaps this really means that I am just as devoid of innocence as the psychopaths themselves.
We were divinely given the knowledge of this technology, with the intention that it be used for good; as has been the intention behind every form of Aquarian technology so far. Yet as with all of the others, it will most likely be used for the exact opposite. We now have the power to create a dream of such sublime, ineffable beauty that we can scarcely comprehend it; and equally unimaginable nightmares.
Quote from: kevin on April 17, 2020, 04:42:56 PM
I think You would be better asking John Lear for that answer.
Why? ???
Quote from: ArMaP on April 17, 2020, 07:13:14 PM
Why? ???
Maybe, just maybe He has been actively involved with the investigation/s of non human beings , thus He may just.... might be able to best provide the answer to Your question.
Kevin
Quote from: kevin on April 17, 2020, 06:11:44 PM
The consequence is cell poisoning with oxygen been unable to be absorbed.
Haemoglobin doesn't get oxygen or are the other cells the ones not getting the oxygen from haemoglobin?
Quote from: petrus4 on April 17, 2020, 07:11:56 PM
I believe that this, in plain English, with all of the commercialism, emoting, and other nonsense stripped away, is the allegation being made regarding 5G. That it is, in essense, a networked neural phase field generator; a system for the transmission of ultrasonic frequencies which can be used to control the human mind and emotions, and possibly even to induce death, on command.
5G can only emit sound through the phones and other equipment connected to it, by itself it cannot emit sound, so it cannot emit ultrasonic waves.
QuoteIf, hypothetically, we assume for a moment that this is true, then we should also consider the amount of power it would place in the hands of whoever controlled it. It would make the proverbial One Ring of Sauron look like a Christmas cracker prize by comparison. Try to imagine how difficult it would be, to effectively resist the owner of such a weapon.
That's a huge
if.
QuoteThe real barrier to anyone believing such a possibility, more than anything else, is the level of pure horror that it generates.
Not to me. :)
QuoteThis is the real reason why most people insist that Bill Gates and others like him, are genuinely compassionate philanthropists, and not the child raping, murdering, psychopathic monsters which some of us know them to be.
You know them personally? Or do you have real evidence of what is said? If you do not then you do not really
know.
Quote from: kevin on April 17, 2020, 07:24:03 PM
Maybe, just maybe He has been actively involved with the investigation/s of non human beings , thus He may just.... might be able to best provide the answer to Your question.
When I'm talking to someone I never ask questions to other people about what that person is saying to me, if they are not just parroting what they heard they should be able to give a coherent answer.
As for John Lear, the fact that he says some things doesn't mean they are true. :)
Quote from: ArMaP on April 17, 2020, 07:43:18 PM
When I'm talking to someone I never ask questions to other people about what that person is saying to me, if they are not just parroting what they heard they should be able to give a coherent answer.
As for John Lear, the fact that he says some things doesn't mean they are true. :)
And what about You ArMap??????????????
Kevin
Quote from: kevin on April 17, 2020, 08:14:16 PM
And what about You ArMap??????????????
Could you be more specific?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYexFRUoGww&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR1TAeVW0FvSV7JpIgxGg1MPovwIU28ud6GsCTlXQWJRP6-xmW7o3MfjfaA
David Icke.
kevin
Quote from: kevin on April 17, 2020, 06:11:44 PM
Try to come out of the programming, You are buying a lie, the biggest ever told.
It is a specific frequency been transmitted at 60 ghz that is causing what is been said to be a virus.
The consequence is cell poisoning with oxygen been unable to be absorbed.
Kevin
Not buying the programming of others but where is scientific truth coming from? Is it more than one proven source? We have had viruses similar to this one before 5 G came along.
Quote from: ArMaP on April 17, 2020, 07:40:22 PM
You know them personally? Or do you have real evidence of what is said? If you do not then you do not really know.
I will accept this.
Quote from: kevin on April 17, 2020, 08:52:06 AM
https://www.infoceuticals.co/en/posts/dr-royal-raymond-rife-rife-frequencies
The5g is transmitted over variant frequencies in the ghz range, from 27 to 100ghz.
The directional phased ray satellites can thus transmit over which ever desired frequency , and be focussed upon specific recievers.
If as I suspect the population of this planets DNA has been plotted and its variations noted, then each variant strand can be targetted with it's own unique bio field frequency, this will enable eugenics to be carried out around the globe.
The ghz range of 60 is the range where iron is targetted and it's ability to enable oxygen absorbtion.
Rife identified such, and knew with a local beamed frequency directed into living entities that every unique disease could be eliminated by matching that specific disease bio field resonance.
His works were destroyed and His findings confiscated.
YOU reader have a unique bio field.
Kevin
If your saying the satellites themselves are transmitting the frequency in powerful enough amplitude to do this then what would the point of the cell towers be? There has already been testing done and showing 0 effects on living cells within 24 hours of continuous exposure at much higher amplitudes. The virus exists which already shoots holes in the 5G theory as this specific virus can not be generated by your body in any way shape or form. It must be contracted. It may be causing a symptom as to what the 60Ghz claim is saying but I seriously doubt that it can create a BAT coronavirus in a HUMAN.
The virus is showing in areas with NO 5G coverage and in some cases death occurs within 24 hours.
5G will be used to track RFID chips that will very likely be part & parcel of the various vaccines distributed. Another clue that the amplitude of the satellites could not be powerful enough to affect you would be that they need an RFID chip to lock onto to track you. I believe you are onto something with the 5G networks having other capabilities but if the blood is starving for air then where does the BAT CORONAVIRUS have anything to do with it? I would suspect the medical testing would show that there is simply an oxygen deficiency in the blood.
I am not saying there isn't a virus.
They have mutated this corona one so that there is low resistance to it.
But try and think of the trojan horse story.
Whilst everyone is fixated on the virus, and there is a virus, it will be in everyone now, under the cover of this is the localised and targeted transmission of 60 ghz to cause the most susceptible to have additional complications of oxygen deficiency, which is then easily said to be the virus.
The adgenda is to create mass fear, and to lock everyone up in a jail like situation where then they will accept compulsery vaccine and be under the control of a fascist technocrazy band of skum bags.
They are achieving this with the biggest lie ever told, in a military view point they have the whole world population looking the wrong way, they are very devious and have the most powerful computing available.
Kevin
Quote from: kevin on April 18, 2020, 08:48:13 AM
The adgenda is to create mass fear, and to lock everyone up in a jail like situation where then they will accept compulsery vaccine and be under the control of a fascist technocrazy band of skum bags.
There is astrological support for a lot of this sort of thing at the moment, yes. One of the things I've realised recently though, is that the nature of transits means that change is inevitable. A given condition can only exist for as long as there is the energy to support it. Pluto spends 20 years in each sign, and Saturn about 3, give or take; so said negative conditions can last for a long time.
Eventually the Sun comes back up again, though; if for no other reason than because it has to. If you read Edward Leedskalnin (http://magneticuniverse.com/uploads/FileUpload/cf/9db98095b5ce01d2a0cb71886b1b9a.pdf), you will know that the planetary orbits themselves generate their own energy, and keep the whole thing going. So if any of said planets were to truly stop and stay in one place, the whole system will collapse.
From that, you can derive both hope and fear. Everything changes; no one state, whether good or bad, lasts forever.
Quote from: petrus4 on April 18, 2020, 10:06:27 AM
There is astrological support for a lot of this sort of thing at the moment, yes. One of the things I've realised recently though, is that the nature of transits means that change is inevitable. A given condition can only exist for as long as there is the energy to support it. Pluto spends 20 years in each sign, and Saturn about 3, give or take; so said negative conditions can last for a long time.
Eventually the Sun comes back up again, though; if for no other reason than because it has to. If you read Edward Leedskalnin (http://magneticuniverse.com/uploads/FileUpload/cf/9db98095b5ce01d2a0cb71886b1b9a.pdf), you will know that the planetary orbits themselves generate their own energy, and keep the whole thing going. So if any of said planets were to truly stop and stay in one place, the whole system will collapse.
From that, you can derive both hope and fear. Everything changes; no one state, whether good or bad, lasts forever.
petrus4,
Edward Leedskalin is a big hero ( well he was quite small actually) of mine, a fellow dowser.
The planets are all emitting specific frequencies, and their variations are orchestra like, rising and falling in volume and in content.
The big clue , as Leedskalin knew is the moon.
This is without doubt all about the constant variation in the inputs here, but now skum bags are able to input variant frequencies to achieve their ( perhaps driven by the planets?) crazed globalists ideas.
They have very very cleverly hidden the said frequencies under the cover of a virus, and thus achieved a cloaked attack on the human population.
Kevin
Quote from: kevin on April 18, 2020, 08:48:13 AM
The adgenda is to create mass fear, and to lock everyone up in a jail like situation where then they will accept compulsery vaccine and be under the control of a fascist technocrazy band of skum bags.
Several countries have compulsory vaccination, and China, where this started, has compulsory whatever they want.
In other countries there isn't any compulsory thing related to health, and that isn't going to change with this.
Also, vaccines, compulsory or not, do not mean people are being controlled.
And no, most people are not victims of mass fear, at least not here in Portugal. Careful, yes, in fear, no.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFgY8acX1Mc&fbclid=IwAR3qcJbKvvsyej8G1H0SCidOYL0Iku9PdmqYnUAEJWRI5OA4Zq2HNnWLRHs
That's the devil, I mean gates and his sidekick, He is a skum bag.
They are talking here in the Uk about the over 70s having to stay on lockdown for a year, or until a vaccine is made.
Herr von gates is running this......WHY???????
Kevin
Hi, I have not had time to catch-up with all the posts but will do, but I heard from a ex-mil/vet friend who told me that there is some belief that the vaccination that Gates is proposing will have two potential elements -
1 - a "Vaccine" against the COVID strain(s) depending on country WITH a nano-chip for one data-set group of humans.
2 - a "Vaccine" against the COVID strain(s) depending on country WITH a nano-chip for another data-set group BUT with DORMANT COVID 19 virus that is ACTIVATED by 5G and the nano-chip as and when they need to FURTHER CULL what ever data-set they need to.
I have a document at my drop-box I just got today so I have not had a chance to read it yet, but you can ping me on email at lightstream2017@gmail.com and I will attach a PDF of the document.
Being totally honest, I am massively worried about this whole friging psychological operation that IS COVID-19, Covid-19, ID2020, Agenda 21.. see a pattern? the Satanists LOVE broadcasting their intentions via implicit and explicit messages, Gates and his mutant wife need a 9mm.
Take care, and stay safe brothers and sisters.
Fans'
Quote from: kevin on April 19, 2020, 05:26:47 PM
Herr von gates is running this......WHY???????
He's running nothing.
Some people share his ideas, some idiots appear to accept what he says as gospel, most people don't care about what he says.
Quote from: fansongecho on April 19, 2020, 05:56:53 PM
Being totally honest, I am massively worried about this whole friging psychological operation that IS COVID-19, Covid-19, ID2020, Agenda 21.. see a pattern? the Satanists LOVE broadcasting their intentions via implicit and explicit messages, Gates and his mutant wife need a 9mm.
I'm more worried about people making this more than it is.
I hear you ArMap, but I really am now worried about this, I really hope that this pandemic ISNT a NWO psy-op, BUT my gut tells me different. :(
Cheers,
F'
Quote from: ArMaP on April 19, 2020, 05:58:39 PM
He's running nothing.
Some people share his ideas, some idiots appear to accept what he says as gospel, most people don't care about what he says.
ArMap,
I really like You and Your optimistic view.
I appreciate the effort You put in here on this forum.
I so wish that skum bag wasn't operating this planneddemic, but He is via his foundation, the W.H.O and a host of other skum.
They have a clear agenda, which they put in plain site.
C.R.S... cause reaction solution.
The virus is a flu, a mutated flu, but healthy strong immune system humans will cope, they have targeted those most at risk, to thus create the fear and control that is rolling out, this is to establish compliance and acceptance, which is the reaction, the solution is what they will offer and thje compliant will be pleased to accept.
Beware strangers bearing gifts.
Kevin, with no fear, that is what they want.
One thing I don't understand is why the "elites" would want to kill large percentages of people.
What would they gain with that?
Quote from: kevin on April 19, 2020, 07:20:00 PM
ArMap,
I really like You and Your optimistic view.
I appreciate the effort You put in here on this forum.
Thanks. :)
QuoteThe virus is a flu, a mutated flu, but healthy strong immune system humans will cope, they have targeted those most at risk, to thus create the fear and control that is rolling out, this is to establish compliance and acceptance, which is the reaction, the solution is what they will offer and thje compliant will be pleased to accept.
And what is that thing they offer? A vaccine?
Quote from: ArMaP on April 20, 2020, 12:20:40 AM
Thanks. :)
And what is that thing they offer? A vaccine?
Of course they will offer a vaccine0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGbYHJcMbz8
that is a big part of their agenda, it's what in the vaccine that is the agenda.
The virus is a cover, and in conjunction with the consequences of targeted 60 ghz transmission mass fear is gripping huge populations, with that they can justify the mass vaccination of the worlds population.
And bill gates is heading this all.
Tonto was correct....white man speaks with forked tongue.
Quote from: kevin on April 20, 2020, 10:08:45 AM
The virus is a cover, and in conjunction with the consequences of targeted 60 ghz transmission mass fear is gripping huge populations, with that they can justify the mass vaccination of the worlds population.
"Fear gripping huge populations"? Where?
QuoteAnd bill gates is heading this all.
Tonto was correct....white man speaks with forked tongue.
Are you an Indian?
Quote from: ArMaP on April 20, 2020, 01:20:21 PM
"Fear gripping huge populations"? Where?
Are you an Indian?
Fear rampant here in UK.
No Tonto was a red injun ( native human American) He was the lone rangers side kick in 1950s TV program.
Kevin
Quote from: kevin on April 20, 2020, 01:59:31 PM
Fear rampant here in UK.
Not here in Portugal.
QuoteNo Tonto was a red injun ( native human American) He was the lone rangers side kick in 1950s TV program.
I know that, I remember watching it on TV many years ago. :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVr5oMmA7_c&feature=share&fbclid=IwAR359KXT0MIMyLQw7rODUApYWNHNfnJJS5agToQ7fIckd5PhtAt76Dfemlo
This is a man who was installing 5g.
Kevin
Quote from: kevin on April 20, 2020, 03:40:24 PM
This is a man who was installing 5g.
"5G is like a laser"? I stopped watching.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3aJI4q3-AI&feature=emb_logo
Somebody needs to be aware the microphone was on.
Flu is a Hoax
Did China Just Admit the Obama Administration Funded $3.7 Mil for COVID-19 Development? QuoteNot only did China admit to harvesting and editing over 100 versions of the coronavirus, but they also fingered the National Institute of Health (NIH) as the government agency responsible for awarding close to $4 million in research grants to the Wuhan Institute of Virology.
According to an article published by Daily Mail, "The Wuhan Institute of Virology undertook coronavirus experiments on mammals captured more than 1,000 miles away in Yunnan which were funded by a $3.7 million grant from the U.S. government."
The same article states that it's a "conspiracy theory" to think that COVID-19 came from the Biosafety Level 4 Laboratory (BSL-4) in Wuhan, and stressed that the virus originated in a bat conveniently located only 20 miles away from the lab at Huanan Seafood Market. There's a big problem with this however. No bats were ever found being sold at the Huanan Seafood Market.
This seems like an appropriate time to note that the Biosafety Level 4 Laboratory (BSL-4) in Wuhan is a specially designated World Health Organization (WHO) research lab.
n addition to there being zero bats sold at the Chinese wet market, white papers show that in all the years of researching, studying, and yes – editing strains of the coronavirus – the virus has not had the capability of jumping from animal to human without interference by way of genome sequencing.
In other words, the virus did not have the ability of being passed from animal to human until those working in the bioweapons lab edited elements of the virus that would make that possible. Though the Chinese want to place all blame on the virus originating from bats (in a seafood market no less), the science speaks for itself and it's telling a different story.
The novel coronavirus COVID-19 so closely resembles two different bat SARS-like coronaviruses that it appears COVID-19 was created through "copy and pasting" the exact amino acid similarity and cannot be a natural mutation within bats or any other mammal.
http://kenningtonpress.com/index.php/2020/04/13/china-admits-to-3-7-million-in-coronavirus-development-from-nih/ (http://kenningtonpress.com/index.php/2020/04/13/china-admits-to-3-7-million-in-coronavirus-development-from-nih/)
Fauci warns "There will be a surprise outbreak" in 2017.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2&v=C95ECjxgcJE&feature=emb_logo
"You don't have a choice" says Bill Gates...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=107&v=xUChdrL6Cd8&feature=emb_title
https://www.thesun.co.uk/tech/11435511/elon-musk-spacex-starlink-satellites-kosovo/
Riders in the sky, transmitting at what frequency??????????
Kevin
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1221396/ufo-sighting-elon-musk-latest-spacex-news-solar-system-satellites-italy
Over northern Italy, You don't suppose if they are transmitting at 60 ghz that they can cause this condition been attributed to a virus...do you??????
Kevin
http://www.songlyrics.com/cowboy-songs/ghost-riders-in-the-sky-lyrics/
Ghost riders in the sky.
Kevin
Quote
The same article states that it's a "conspiracy theory" to think that COVID-19 came from the Biosafety Level 4 Laboratory (BSL-4) in Wuhan, and stressed that the virus originated in a bat conveniently located only 20 miles away from the lab at Huanan Seafood Market. There's a big problem with this however. No bats were ever found being sold at the Huanan Seafood Market.
This is a lie, the article doesn't say that "the virus originated in a bat conveniently located only 20 miles away from the lab at Huanan Seafood Market".
Quote from: kevin on April 21, 2020, 04:58:14 PM
https://www.thesun.co.uk/tech/11435511/elon-musk-spacex-starlink-satellites-kosovo/
Riders in the sky, transmitting at what frequency??????????
I don't know if they are working or not, but if they are then they are supposed to use frequencies between 12 to 18 GHz and from 26.5 to 40 GHz.
Quote from: ArMaP on April 21, 2020, 09:23:54 PM
I don't know if they are working or not, but if they are then they are supposed to use frequencies between 12 to 18 GHz and from 26.5 to 40 GHz.
You don't suppose that those naughty little satellites( over 20,000) are not doing what they are TOLD to do,
do You?????
And W.H.O is telling them to alter their frequency transmissions????
Kevin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxHnRfhDmrk
That is for all the people W.H.O are imprisoned presently, and don't understand what that starry starry night is showing them, perhaps they never will.
Kevin
Thanks Kevin for the song. Beautiful
We need to sign this petition.
We Call For Investigations Into The "Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation" For Medical Malpractice & Crimes Against Humanity
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/we-call-investigations-bill-melinda-gates-foundation-medical-malpractice-crimes-against-humanity
As we look at events surrounding the "COVID-19 pandemic," various questions remain unanswered. On Oct. 18th of 2019, only weeks prior to ground zero being declared in Wuhan, China, two major events took place. One is "Event 201," the other is the "Military World Games," held in none other than Wuhan. Since then a worldwide push for vaccines & biometric tracking has been initiated.
At the forefront of this is Bill Gates, who has publicly stated his interest in "reducing population growth" by 10-15%, by means of vaccination. Gates, UNICEF & WHO have already been credibly accused of intentionally sterilizing Kenyan children through the use of a hidden HCG antigen in tetanus vaccines.
Quote from: kevin on April 22, 2020, 08:06:01 AM
You don't suppose that those naughty little satellites( over 20,000) are not doing what they are TOLD to do,
do You?????
I don't have any way of knowing, you have to ask to the owner of the satellites, SpaceX.
QuoteAnd W.H.O is telling them to alter their frequency transmissions????
You don't know if anyone told them to alter their frequency, do you?
But if they did it would be either inefficient or useless, as different frequencies require different antennas.
Quote from: micjer on April 22, 2020, 01:06:58 PM
At the forefront of this is Bill Gates, who has publicly stated his interest in "reducing population growth" by 10-15%, by means of vaccination. Gates, UNICEF & WHO have already been credibly accused of intentionally sterilizing Kenyan children through the use of a hidden HCG antigen in tetanus vaccines.
"Credibly accused", that's funny.
Quote from: ArMaP on April 22, 2020, 01:48:17 PM
I don't have any way of knowing, you have to ask to the owner of the satellites, SpaceX.
You don't know if anyone told them to alter their frequency, do you?
But if they did it would be either inefficient or useless, as different frequencies require different antennas.
https://60ghz.wordpress.com/
You are wonderful.
Kevin
https://www.bitchute.com/video/mWcUoESRO0c5/
Will ArMap listen to that????
The indoctrination has been almost perfect.......almost.
Kevin
Quote from: kevin on April 22, 2020, 02:28:43 PM
https://60ghz.wordpress.com/
That's the most ridiculous thing I have seen in a long time.
Quote from: kevin on April 22, 2020, 03:04:42 PM
https://www.bitchute.com/video/mWcUoESRO0c5/
Will ArMap listen to that????
No, it's too long.
Any video longer than 2 or 3 minutes needs to be about something I find interesting for me to spend time watching it.
https://www.ibtimes.sg/who-wuhan-lab-hack-reveals-coronavirus-spliced-hiv-make-it-deadly-spread-using-dry-ice-43536
WHO, Wuhan lab hack reveals coronavirus 'spliced' with HIV to make it deadly, spread using dry ice?
"On the 19th of October 2019, Dr. Zhengli Shi...stopped one time, halfway through her journey, opened her suitcase, and placed a block of contaminated dry ice near an air vent at the fish market in question," reads one of the allegedly leaked documents, as pointed out by a user.
On another forum someone looked at the data published as being hacked and found that it came from a 2012 LinkedIn hack that leaked thousands of email addresses and passwords. Someone used the names from that hack to see if the accounts existed on the sites that were now allegedly hacked.
That other forum member also said he/she tried the passwords and none worked.
One thing they haven't explained yet is how a vaccine would possibly be the cure for this if the claim is it is a oxygen issue caused by 5G.
Looking at 5G rollout in Canada it appears Roger's don not seem to be using a 60Ghz bandwidth yet....
Quote"5G is the biggest technological evolution since the launch of wireless in Canada. We are making the right investments, building the right partnerships and deploying the right technology to bring Canadians the very best of 5G," said Joe Natale, President and Chief Executive Officer, Rogers Communications. "5G will not only power businesses, it will fuel entire industries and drive Canada's digital future. We were the first with wireless services thirty-five years ago, and we are once again first to bring this innovative technology to consumers and businesses on Canada's only national network."
The Rogers 5G network initially uses 2.5 GHz spectrum in the downtown cores of Vancouver, Toronto, Ottawa and Montreal and will expand to use 600 MHz 5G spectrum later this year. 600 MHz is best suited to carry wireless data across long distances and through dense urban buildings, creating more consistent and higher quality coverage in both remote areas and smart cities. In the future, Rogers will also start deploying 3.5 GHz spectrum and dynamic spectrum sharing, which will allow 4G spectrum to be used for 5G. Rogers will also turn on 5G in the Rogers Centre, Scotiabank Arena and Rogers Arena to enhance how fans watch the game in the future as innovation and applications develop.
https://about.rogers.com/news-ideas/rogers-starts-rollout-of-canadas-first-5g-network-and-joins-global-5g-forum/ (https://about.rogers.com/news-ideas/rogers-starts-rollout-of-canadas-first-5g-network-and-joins-global-5g-forum/)
Telus also is not using 60 Ghz...
QuoteThe pilot network was set up to reflect a real-world point-to-multi-point connection over commercial central office equipment and transport networks. The network leveraged equipment based on 3GPP 5G foundational technologies over a 28 GHz connection, although the 5G standards body will not be finalized until early 2018.
https://www.telus.com/en/about/news-and-events/media-releases/successful-5g-pilot-places-canada-at-the-forefront-of-global-wireless (https://www.telus.com/en/about/news-and-events/media-releases/successful-5g-pilot-places-canada-at-the-forefront-of-global-wireless)
If there is no 60Ghz networks then how does this theory hold up? What am I missing (I'm sure ARMAP would say the garbage can, I'm trying really hard not to be in full agreement)?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJbxTmwDq10&feature=emb_logo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AD0NR_NZlNc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AD0NR_NZlNc)
I have been listening to this man for a few years now. He uses multiple sources in whatever subject matter that may be transpiring at the time. This actually gives out the facts (with documentation). I think this is worthy of attention. It's 43 minutes long but it is certainly worth it. I have my doubts on some of the theories here but that's just my humble opinion. Please give this video a listen.
https://childrenshealthdefense.org/news/what-you-should-know-about-5g-satellites-how-musks-sci-fi-dreams-are-becoming-our-living-nightmare/?fbclid=IwAR3-bdl0c-SZ4rUHP58eKNKyuoj7UjEvUFDehG5vxTXERfA1asAePOwd_z4
Don't overlook the millions of phased ray antenna fitted locally and been served from satellites.
The frequency they say they are operating at is variable, as and when they desire.
Kevin
I have uncovered some very interesting information in regards to this coronavirus, and how people can become susceptible.
Pretty simple really......
FEAR
Let me explain this in simple terms. When we are in fear we produce Cortisol from our Adrenal glands.
Cortisol suppresses our immune system, making us more susceptible to the disease.
Perhaps we need to stop posting (me included) all of the doom porn articles and links and relax.
We actually are playing right into the hands of the dark side. And perhaps more susceptible to frequencies put out from 5G for that matter.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cortisol
Think about who the majority of people that are getting sick are ......those with an already weakened immune system and also most elderly live in fear of dying.
https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/sleep-struggles-pandemic-could-impact-body-s-fear-response-cause-poor-sleep-1.4903299
micjer,
Fear is all there is to fear.
Exactly, and to rid the fear needs knowledge of what is actually been orchestrated, and it is a very complex orchestra.
Fear uses Your available immune system to best protect the heart, it is where the eternal You resides.
THEY know this, and exploit it to it's maximum.
THEY are skum bags.
Kevin
I think we are on the same page Kevin.
Knowledge Trumps Fear !
It shatters the looking glass.
Quote from: micjer on April 23, 2020, 05:59:55 PM
Think about who the majority of people that are getting sick are ......those with an already weakened immune system and also most elderly live in fear of dying.
None of the elderly people I know and knew were in fear of dying.
Quote from: kevin on April 23, 2020, 06:20:35 PM
Fear is all there is to fear.
I mostly agree with this. :)
QuoteExactly, and to rid the fear needs knowledge of what is actually been orchestrated, and it is a very complex orchestra.
But not with this, as it assumes something is being orchestrated, implying there is a hidden danger, of which I haven't seen any real evidence.
Also, implying there is a hidden danger helps creates and fuels fear and/or anxiety.
I haven't watched any COVID 19 videos. I'm familiar with several of the nursing homes that had high fatalities. My son-in-law has been working double shifts most days at the hospital. He's gotten tired of taking bodies to the morgue. The perks of being a security guard.
Quote from: Shasta56 on April 24, 2020, 03:03:40 AM
I haven't watched any COVID 19 videos. I'm familiar with several of the nursing homes that had high fatalities. My son-in-law has been working double shifts most days at the hospital. He's gotten tired of taking bodies to the morgue. The perks of being a security guard.
Howdo pussycat?
The elderly will be seen as expendable collateral by those who think they are god (pharaoh)
Gates thinks He is such.
Kevin
Quote from: kevin on April 24, 2020, 08:23:41 AM
Gates thinks He is such.
What he thinks is irrelevant, the importance we give him is what may give him power.
Or not. :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKLG7bJmqW0
Ian Crane starts at six minutes, ( wishing Him well as He battles the big C).
They are chopping tens of thousands of trees down now, the rail network has 5g towers every mile or two.
Kevin
People, enough of the doom porn ::)
Spreading fear far and wide never improves any situation, as it increases worry which it turn lowers immune system function;
Worrying about anything only makes it more likely to manifest in your reality
There is nothing to fear but fear itself; Last time I looked, we are born into this world and we are going to leave it again; so quit stirring the pot so much
We are a research forum, remember? Not a tabloid...
There are reports and new info out there on fusion, Boeing's force field patent, lots of interesting things...
8)
Seeker
Quote from: The Seeker on April 24, 2020, 03:28:02 PM
People, enough of the doom porn ::)
Spreading fear far and wide never improves any situation, as it increases worry which it turn lowers immune system function;
Worrying about anything only makes it more likely to manifest in your reality
There is nothing to fear but fear itself; Last time I looked, we are born into this world and we are going to leave it again; so quit stirring the pot so much
We are a research forum, remember? Not a tabloid...
there are reports and new info out there on fusion, Boeing's force field patent, lots of interesting things...
8)
Seeker
The "DOOM PORN" is been blasted constantly by the tabloid so called free press.
Unravelling the real agenda afoot presently is possibly the most important and vital research ever.
Kevin
I look forward to seeing some real evidence of any connection to 5G...Warnings from various people with no supporting evidence is much like listening to Democrats whine about non-existent Russian collusion on everything. We need some REAL data or as far as I am concerned this myth is busted. Micjer posted this video and it without question blows the 5G connection completely out of the water (Gave you some gold for that one... good post).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJbxTmwDq10
Quote from: kevin on April 24, 2020, 09:07:56 PM
Unravelling the real agenda afoot presently is possibly the most important and vital research ever.
I always wondered how people can claim knowing about someone else's secret agenda.
I also still do not see verifiable evidence of 5G having anything to do with a virus. This thread has gone off the deep end.
Definition of virus
1a: any of a large group of submicroscopic infectious agents that are usually regarded as nonliving extremely complex molecules, that typically contain a protein coat surrounding an RNA or DNA core of genetic material but no semipermeable membrane, that are capable of growth and multiplication only in living cells, and that cause various important diseases in humans, animals, and plants
also : FILTERABLE VIRUS
b: a disease or illness caused by a virus
c: the causative agent of an infectious disease
The above is scientifically verifiable.
5G huh. I don't think so.
Quote from: ArMaP on April 25, 2020, 12:30:20 AM
I always wondered how people can claim knowing about someone else's secret agenda.
That's why it is called "conspiracy theory", for the majority of most all of it is just that, theory, with data gleaned from someone's speculations with nothing to substantiate any of it
::)
Seeker
Quote from: spacemaverick on April 25, 2020, 12:45:18 AM
I also still do not see verifiable evidence of 5G having anything to do with a virus. This thread has gone off the deep end.
5G huh. I don't think so.
"Look!!! It's Nibiru!!! AAAgghhh!!!" "The Earth is really flat and all science is a lie!!!" "Fema is building death camps!!! We're all screwed!!!" "5G is gonna fry our brains and turn us into Zombie burger!!!"
::)
Nah, I don't see it either, Mav
Seeker
Quote from: The Seeker on April 25, 2020, 04:05:12 AM
"Look!!! It's Nibiru!!! AAAgghhh!!!" "The Earth is really flat and all science is a lie!!!" "Fema is building death camps!!! We're all screwed!!!" "5G is gonna fry our brains and turn us into Zombie burger!!!"
::)
Nah, I don't see it either, Mav
Seeker
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKnX5wci404
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BTLii-e_UtY&feature=share&fbclid=IwAR0GOO-bMgclud5sSfCMwTy5vA77OJhrSdoGomhZbjPedjww1n-7HLUIXaQ
Surely We haven't been told fibs , have We?
Kevin
Great find Kevin.
I gave you some gold for that piece.
It needs to go viral.
Actual press conference...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfLVxx_lBLU&feature=emb_logo
I would like to see one of those models predicting millions of deaths.
On another forum a member said that this virus was presented has having a high mortality rate, but when I asked him for sources he never gave one and ended up by saying they were irrelevant.
So, can anyone here give me an official source stating they were expecting millions of deaths and/or that SARS-CoV2 has a high mortality rate?
Quote from: ArMaP on April 25, 2020, 02:23:05 PM
I would like to see one of those models predicting millions of deaths.
On another forum a member said that this virus was presented has having a high mortality rate, but when I asked him for sources he never gave one and ended up by saying they were irrelevant.
So, can anyone here give me an official source stating they were expecting millions of deaths and/or that SARS-CoV2 has a high mortality rate?
Your a star,
Even if anyone stated such it would be wiped. and the implementation of the internet of all things, with YOU chipped under the pretext of a virus that's not much different to other flus
The virus is a cover, it's a mutation of the sars virus , but it is a cover for war.
This is world war three, all wars are manufactured, but now they don't need guns.
I am 70 so for Me it's no big deal, but My children and grand children are been led like rats over the cliff edge
They are slamming 5g everywhere here in the UK, and they have Royal Rifes frequencies with MEO satellites.
kevin
What matters is the agenda, and that includes crashing the worlds economy ( to hide , as was 9/11 )
Mortality for COVID-19 appears higher than for influenza, especially seasonal influenza. While the true mortality of COVID-19 will take some time to fully understand, the data we have so far indicate that the crude mortality ratio (the number of reported deaths divided by the reported cases) is between 3-4%, the infection mortality rate (the number of reported deaths divided by the number of infections) will be lower. For seasonal influenza, mortality is usually well below 0.1%. However, mortality is to a large extent determined by access to and quality of health care.
https://www.who.int/news-room/q-a-detail/q-a-similarities-and-differences-covid-19-and-influenza#:~:text=Mortality%20for%20COVID%2D19,quality%20of%20health%20care.
Quote from: ArMaP on April 25, 2020, 02:23:05 PM
I would like to see one of those models predicting millions of deaths.
I may have found one here:
https://www.centerforhealthsecurity.org/event201/event201-resources/event201-model-desc.pdf (https://www.centerforhealthsecurity.org/event201/event201-resources/event201-model-desc.pdf)
Quote from: kevin on April 25, 2020, 02:34:40 PM
Even if anyone stated such it would be wiped.
If? Does that mean that you accept the possibility of what the doctor is saying is based on a lie and that nobody ever predicted millions of deaths?
Also, that's the worst excuse I have ever seen.
Quoteand the implementation of the internet of all things, with YOU chipped under the pretext of a virus that's not much different to other flus
Me chipped? Dream on.
As I said before, I don't see that happening in a country with real privacy and personal data laws, like EU countries.
QuoteWhat matters is the agenda, and that includes crashing the worlds economy ( to hide , as was 9/11 )
Why crash the worlds economy?
Quote from: Ellirium113 on April 25, 2020, 03:16:23 PM
I may have found one here:
https://www.centerforhealthsecurity.org/event201/event201-resources/event201-model-desc.pdf (https://www.centerforhealthsecurity.org/event201/event201-resources/event201-model-desc.pdf)
Thanks, but that is a model applied to a theoretical disease, not a real case and much less about SARS-CoV-2.
It even starts by saying that it "does not relate to and cannot be applied to the current 2019-nCoV outbreaks".
Here is a thought. You can find an expert for any point of view. Who you going to believe? The world is full of experts who get paid to spout their trash.
Quote from: spacemaverick on April 25, 2020, 04:14:51 PM
Here is a thought. You can find an expert for any point of view. Who you going to believe? The world is full of experts who get paid to spout their trash.
If the world is full of "experts who get paid to spout their trash", who do we believe?
Any person on the Internet with an idea?
Quote from: ArMaP on April 25, 2020, 05:16:21 PM
If the world is full of "experts who get paid to spout their trash", who do we believe?
Any person on the Internet with an idea?
I think you nailed it.
Quote from: ArMaP on April 25, 2020, 05:16:21 PM
If the world is full of "experts who get paid to spout their trash", who do we believe?
Any person on the Internet with an idea?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwGOHXWEiFc
My wife works as an RN at a long term rehab unit. This is what she believes.
I tend to agree with her...
How many people would normally die from heart disease, diabetes, GSW's, and other ailments?...Well they are all going to be classified as Covid cases, whether they have it or not. If you die in a hospital right now, you died from Covid....it's a scam for control,,,,
Quote from: Sgt.Rocknroll on April 26, 2020, 12:01:13 AM
If you die in a hospital right now, you died from Covid....it's a scam for control,,,,
In Portugal things are not like that, only people with Covid-19 are considered Covid-19 cases.
Here it's about money and control
Quote from: Sgt.Rocknroll on April 26, 2020, 11:34:23 AM
Here it's about money and control
https://vimeo.com/409259955?ref=fb-share&fbclid=IwAR2PmR_cBw-eFpLxDJkFBujdcNzgY41tCI6DLsIE8oM0gyvLmkJ1qHzAHto
The agenda is GLOBAL.
The virus is a cover, a trojan horse .
Kevin
Quote from: kevin on April 26, 2020, 12:31:15 PM
https://vimeo.com/409259955?ref=fb-share&fbclid=IwAR2PmR_cBw-eFpLxDJkFBujdcNzgY41tCI6DLsIE8oM0gyvLmkJ1qHzAHto
"The government wants to know the temperature of your finger and the blood pressure under its skin"?
Is there any source for that or it's just another of those things we have to accept because someone on the Internet made a video about it?
PS: here in Portugal that's illegal, people were already warned that companies cannot know the temperature of its workers, only a doctor is allowed to know that.
Quote from: kevin on April 26, 2020, 12:33:10 PM
The agenda is GLOBAL.
That agenda (if it exists) may be global, but its application is not, at least until all the countries share the same laws.
For example, the omnipresent surveillance cameras in the UK are forbidden by Portuguese law.
Quote from: ArMaP on April 26, 2020, 01:03:54 PM
That agenda (if it exists) may be global, but its application is not, at least until all the countries share the same laws.
For example, the omnipresent surveillance cameras in the UK are forbidden by Portuguese law.
You need to be careful , You will create mass immigration into Portugal, I can recommend it.
I had a good friend who came here to work from Portugal, I couldn't understand His name so I called Him Ronaldo, He liked it, He's gone back now, and I miss Him.
Kevin
Mass immigration to Portugal is not likely, some refugees asked to move to another country when they saw that Portugal is not a rich country. :)
I would stay in Portugal Armap.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6QdAQgcMIw&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR3z7rfHodDJnPi6JDde1lO2SX0uuiLNhpBK9NBSKnKW1Ge9CLpAzmMGS8k
Kevin
Oy veh,
it is business.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N11tcnPBwf4
Resistance is futile.
Kevin
Covid-19 is the biggest sham ever.
They keep comparing it to the spanish flu. Total fearmongering.
Spanish flu killed an estimated 50,000,000 people and infected 500,000,000 with a World population at the time was estimated to be 1.5 billion.
Todays "Mass pandemic" shows 200,000 deaths and infected 3,000,000 with a world population of 7.7 billion. Milder than a normal flu event.
Its all about crashing the world economy that was going to crash anyways. This gives them an excuse and it is our own fault not the banks and governments.
Quote from: micjer on April 27, 2020, 12:42:28 PM
Covid-19 is the biggest sham ever.
They keep comparing it to the spanish flu. Total fearmongering.
Who makes that comparison?
Quote from: ArMaP on April 27, 2020, 05:03:32 PM
Who makes that comparison?
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-07/why-coronavirus-keeps-being-compared-to-the-1918-spanish-flu/12016782
It s constantly on our MSM here in Canada. Warning of the second wave that will be worse is the latest propaganda that they are pushing, just like the Spanish Flu they say.
>:(
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OH35390sFrk&list=PLKDm1nJ92oev6PIXA1hDzX5go8UWDt_Op (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OH35390sFrk&list=PLKDm1nJ92oev6PIXA1hDzX5go8UWDt_Op)
A playlist from Epoch Times regarding the Corona Virus. Yes, it's one source but I have found similar information on other sources.
Quote from: The Seeker on April 25, 2020, 04:05:12 AM
"Fema is building death camps!!! We're all screwed!!!"
I've never considered it that much of a stretch, that FEMA might have purchased some land in a few different locations, and either be actively using it for drills, or keeping it inactive and in reserve, "just in case."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKVbz2B_PvE&feature=emb_logo
Great summary of what the agenda of the corona scam is really all about.
Also this video has been taken down on youtube. Obviously it is hitting too close to home.
I knew that there was something about this woman that I didn't like.
Canada's current Chief Public Health Officer appeared in a recently resurfaced 2010 documentary in which she advocated using mandatory "tracking bracelets" for people who refuse to take a vaccine after a virus outbreak.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/3qJQpC9bM7ic/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=taa6qfljVC8
Quote from: micjer on April 30, 2020, 02:35:51 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKVbz2B_PvE&feature=emb_logo
I stopped watching when he talked about not consenting to be governed by someone.
QuoteAlso this video has been taken down on youtube. Obviously it is hitting too close to home.
No, the original video is still there.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-TZ1ofSyjg
Quote from: spacemaverick on April 28, 2020, 05:05:22 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OH35390sFrk&list=PLKDm1nJ92oev6PIXA1hDzX5go8UWDt_Op (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OH35390sFrk&list=PLKDm1nJ92oev6PIXA1hDzX5go8UWDt_Op)
A playlist from Epoch Times regarding the Corona Virus. Yes, it's one source but I have found similar information on other sources.
A wake up call Maverick
This is what is controlling Canadians at this time.
https://www.rebelnews.com/fire_theresa_tam
She is from Hong Kong
Dr. Theresa Tam should be FIRED for her COVID-19 failures.
Under her watch as Canada's chief public health official, we have seen tens of thousands of COVID-19 cases and almost three thousand deaths.
But get this: Sheila Gunn Reid can now EXCLUSIVELY reveal that Dr. Tam knew about China's LIES as early as January.
Did you know that this whole time, Dr. Theresa Tam — Canada's public health officer — has been working for the Chinese-controlled World Health Organization?
Her loyalty to the WHO is why she has given such bizarre advice to Canadians — like telling Canadians not to wear masks, or that closing the border to countries where the virus was rampant wouldn't do any good, and her first response back in January was to call anyone worried about the virus a "racist". That never made any sense — until you realize she was taking orders from China's WHO
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4OyeLmTIRQ&feature=emb_logo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6C_26ZIUlrQ&feature=share&fbclid=IwAR10kHoBQsVlX75SVtLyJluxbnPrFLOs6Fpyq8lVfWBSS4ueWmAbvGIu_Hc
I would fast forward the first three minutes.
kevin
Quote from: kevin on May 01, 2020, 02:01:04 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6C_26ZIUlrQ&feature=share&fbclid=IwAR10kHoBQsVlX75SVtLyJluxbnPrFLOs6Fpyq8lVfWBSS4ueWmAbvGIu_Hc
It's interesting that we have a psychiatrist or psychologist talking about something he didn't study and basically saying that all the other doctors that did studied that field are wrong.
PS: he has this on his site. :)
QuoteThe information provided on this site is for informational purposes only and is not intended as a substitute for advice from your physician or other healthcare professional. This information is not medical advice. The articles and essays are for educational purposes and are based upon the opinions of the authors, who retain the copyright to this information. You should not use the information on this site for diagnosis or treatment of any health problem or for prescription of any medication or other treatment. You should consult with a healthcare professional before starting any diet, exercise, or supplementation program, before taking any medication, or if you have or suspect you might have a health problem. If you want to use any information contained on this website you must first get permission in writing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWllDyHaeIQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWllDyHaeIQ)
These two Bakersfield California doctors have many years as Emergency Room doctors with a background in immunology and microbiology. They give you the scientific facts and based on those facts the tell you what the science should guide everyone to do. It goes against the narrative. Youtube took it down and then Youtube reversed itself.
The same video is also on Bitchute here:
http://www.bitchute.com/video/a0nM94Dj3jJq/
It's a long video but is based on scientific fact.
I still liked to see those models that predicted millions of deaths, as I never saw one.
Quote from: ArMaP on May 01, 2020, 12:33:06 AM
I stopped watching when he talked about not consenting to be governed by someone.
He is right about one thing. Scientism is a major problem. There are so many people on Reddit who will unquestioningly believe
anything, as long as the person saying it, is either from academia, or claims to be an "expert."
I don't consider that real science. It's exactly the same as people believing whatever the Pope said in the Middle Ages. The tragic thing is, when you point this out, you're immediately rhetorically asked if you plan to audit "all of science," and then get laughed at and called a science denier. To use the Catholic analogy again, this is the equivalent of saying that we have to believe the local priest's word about what the Bible says, because it's in Latin which means that he is the only one who can read it.
The other thing that bothers me about this, is that it's mostly just the same paranoid, schizotypal ranting that we've been listening to for years already. It gets incredibly repetitive, after a while.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-52481096
I reckon that little story is emblematic of what is going on around the world.
Basically some little jumped up official has determined to stop what the population in their region want to do, and celebrate beltane ( May day).
So they have decided to spread lots of shit where the people would gather, when are the sheep like people going to stop taking notice of such want to be little adolphs??
Most likely this will cause a salmonella outbreak that will be blamed on the chickens who made the shit been from china.
Kevin
Quote from: kevin on May 02, 2020, 01:18:54 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-52481096
I reckon that little story is emblematic of what is going on around the world.
I don't think it is. First of all, Sweden didn't implement a lockdown. Also, different countries have different measures and react in different ways.
QuoteBasically some little jumped up official has determined to stop what the population in their region want to do, and celebrate beltane ( May day).
No, they tried to stop the population from using that specific park for the celebrations. As the article is from before the event we don't know if they succeeded or not.
A different source says that Sweden forbid gatherings of more than 50 people and the mayor was afraid of getting more people than that.
Source (https://edition.cnn.com/travel/article/sweden-lund-chicken-manure-scli-intl/index.html)
QuoteMost likely this will cause a salmonella outbreak that will be blamed on the chickens who made the shit been from china.
I don't think people are going to eat the chicken manure.
https://www.facebook.com/derek.reynolds.140/videos/10221535573599483/?fref=mentions
Do Yourself a favour ArMap, watch this PLEASE
I have grown to really like You.
https://www.facebook.com/derek.reynolds.140/videos/10221535573599483/
Derek Reynolds
Kevin
If You do not CONFORM You vill be eliminated.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-52517797
If You do not agree with the states narrative, you will be blocked from discussing an alternative.
Velcome to zer new world order, or be eliminated.
I have multiple past relatives in shallow graves and in davey jones locker fighting off this skum.
Kevin
https://www.naturalnews.com/hrr/mp3/HRR-2020-5-01-big-tech-coronavirus-censorship-is-an-assault.mp3
Who the frig is who?
Kevin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NzLs-xSss0
Little surprise that the WHO played after 9/11.
We won't get fooled again.....ha ha.
Just who the frig is the who.
Kevin
Quote from: kevin on May 02, 2020, 06:48:35 PM
Do Yourself a favour ArMap, watch this PLEASE
OK, I watched the video. :)
First of all, that doctor that says that this disease looks more like high altitude lack of oxygen is just that,
one doctor, while many thousands of other doctors say something completely different.
The guy in the video says that "published studies on how 5G exposure can drive calcium ions into cells", but the studies talk about WiFi and the 900 MHz and 1800 MHz frequencies used by GSM, also known as 2G. So, if those studies are representative of what's really happening they apply to those frequencies and not specifically to 5G, although I suppose the possible effects can also happen with 5G frequencies.
Then he says that 5G beams "targets you, specifically", which is obviously not true, 5G has the capability of locking onto a device and steer the radio beam in that direction, not on the user. That way of saying it was chosen to instil fear into the listener, as it implies that the person is the target of the radiation.
He then says that the symptoms from VGCC effect include those of the patients suffering from CoViD-19, but that's misleading, as it ignores the main symptoms like dry cough, and includes high spontaneous abortion, something I never heard about CoViD-19. I haven't heard about cellular DNA damage either, or of any the symptoms associated with calcium overload. In conclusion, I don't see the CoViD-19 symptoms on that list.
As I said in a previous post (I think it was on this forum, posting about the same topic in two different forums sometimes makes me forget where I posted what :D), I see no signs of oxygen deprivation in CoViD-19 patients, and I know what those symptoms are, as I have had them all the times I had to go to the hospital to get oxygen during asthma attacks. I haven't seen any reference to those symptoms in relation to CoViD-19 patients mentioned anywhere.
From what I have seen, VGCC happens more in muscle and bone cells and in neurons. I haven't found any reference that points to haemoglobin having a calcium gate like other cells, as they have a different function in the body and work in a different way. Other cells do need calcium, haemoglobin (apparently) doesn't need.
He says that VGCC may be responsible allowing the virus to enter the cells, which ignores the way it functions, as the virus connects to the cells through the proteins making up the "crown" around it, it doesn't need a different way of entering the cells, it already has an effective way of doing it.
I found interesting the words he chooses, like when he says the virus uses nanotechnology. No, the virus doesn't use nanotechnology, nanotechnology tries to replicate what virus and other cells do, it's not the opposite. Once more, the use of those words tries to convey the idea that there is some technology behind the way the virus works, which is a lie.
He says that Bill Gates is funding "efforts to build vaccines", but vaccines are not built, they are not objects that can be built. His talk about Bill Gates is, as usual, unsubstantiated claims. If Bill Gates wants to spread infertility to reduce the population then he should know that the fertility problems Bill Gates talks about exist in Third World countries, not in the countries that have 5G, as those already have low fertility rates.
Then he talks about that silly idea of a "depopulation agenda", something that makes no sense.
In conclusion, this is just another fear mongering video trying to get views and hits, based on lies and suppositions presented as facts.
QuoteI have grown to really like You.
Thanks. :)
Quote from: kevin on May 03, 2020, 08:29:38 AM
If You do not CONFORM You vill be eliminated.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-52517797
If You do not agree with the states narrative, you will be blocked from discussing an alternative.
What we have seen is private companies blocking the alternatives, not states.
Although I'm strongly against any kind of censorship, when people present their ideas as facts and that may affect other people's lives, as we are talking about health issues, the consequences may be bad.
Quote from: kevin on May 03, 2020, 09:05:30 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NzLs-xSss0
Little surprise that the WHO played after 9/11.
The "WHO" or "The Who"?
QuoteJust who the frig is the who.
Again, the "WHO" or "The Who"? :)
Quote from: ArMaP on May 03, 2020, 02:33:34 PM
What we have seen is private companies blocking the alternatives, not states.
Although I'm strongly against any kind of censorship, when people present their ideas as facts and that may affect other people's lives, as we are talking about health issues, the consequences may be bad.
Private corperations /states, they are all in bed together.
It is the lie been rammed down everyones throats presently that is been presented as fact, and they control all information.
Quote from: ArMaP on May 03, 2020, 02:09:43 PM
OK, I watched the video. :)
First of all, that doctor that says that this disease looks more like high altitude lack of oxygen is just that, one doctor, while many thousands of other doctors say something completely different.
The guy in the video says that "published studies on how 5G exposure can drive calcium ions into cells", but the studies talk about WiFi and the 900 MHz and 1800 MHz frequencies used by GSM, also known as 2G. So, if those studies are representative of what's really happening they apply to those frequencies and not specifically to 5G, although I suppose the possible effects can also happen with 5G frequencies.
Then he says that 5G beams "targets you, specifically", which is obviously not true, 5G has the capability of locking onto a device and steer the radio beam in that direction, not on the user. That way of saying it was chosen to instil fear into the listener, as it implies that the person is the target of the radiation.
He then says that the symptoms from VGCC effect include those of the patients suffering from CoViD-19, but that's misleading, as it ignores the main symptoms like dry cough, and includes high spontaneous abortion, something I never heard about CoViD-19. I haven't heard about cellular DNA damage either, or of any the symptoms associated with calcium overload. In conclusion, I don't see the CoViD-19 symptoms on that list.
As I said in a previous post (I think it was on this forum, posting about the same topic in two different forums sometimes makes me forget where I posted what :D), I see no signs of oxygen deprivation in CoViD-19 patients, and I know what those symptoms are, as I have had them all the times I had to go to the hospital to get oxygen during asthma attacks. I haven't seen any reference to those symptoms in relation to CoViD-19 patients mentioned anywhere.
From what I have seen, VGCC happens more in muscle and bone cells and in neurons. I haven't found any reference that points to haemoglobin having a calcium gate like other cells, as they have a different function in the body and work in a different way. Other cells do need calcium, haemoglobin (apparently) doesn't need.
He says that VGCC may be responsible allowing the virus to enter the cells, which ignores the way it functions, as the virus connects to the cells through the proteins making up the "crown" around it, it doesn't need a different way of entering the cells, it already has an effective way of doing it.
I found interesting the words he chooses, like when he says the virus uses nanotechnology. No, the virus doesn't use nanotechnology, nanotechnology tries to replicate what virus and other cells do, it's not the opposite. Once more, the use of those words tries to convey the idea that there is some technology behind the way the virus works, which is a lie.
He says that Bill Gates is funding "efforts to build vaccines", but vaccines are not built, they are not objects that can be built. His talk about Bill Gates is, as usual, unsubstantiated claims. If Bill Gates wants to spread infertility to reduce the population then he should know that the fertility problems Bill Gates talks about exist in Third World countries, not in the countries that have 5G, as those already have low fertility rates.
Then he talks about that silly idea of a "depopulation agenda", something that makes no sense.
In conclusion, this is just another fear mongering video trying to get views and hits, based on lies and suppositions presented as facts.
Thanks. :)
It is a specific transmission of 60 ghz that is been utilised as a weapon , it has been known about for generations and used by secret services due to the manner in which such frequency is absorbed by oxygen and thus become untraceable.
The social distancing is all part of the targeting for tracking.
They are inventing death statistics and including whoever they can to create fear, and it may not be so in sunny Portugal but here in the UK people are in terror, and that is fundamental to their agenda of total control and mass injections.
Injection is the ONLY method of aquiring a virus., and with injection multiple other ingredients can be added.
Gates wants population reduction, He is pure evil.
Kevin
Quote from: kevin on May 03, 2020, 03:16:51 PM
Private corperations /states, they are all in bed together.
Debatable.
QuoteIt is the lie been rammed down everyones throats presently that is been presented as fact, and they control all information.
What lie?
Quote from: kevin on May 03, 2020, 03:25:17 PM
It is a specific transmission of 60 ghz that is been utilised as a weapon , it has been known about for generations and used by secret services due to the manner in which such frequency is absorbed by oxygen and thus become untraceable.
Where is proof of that? The studies talked about in the video were not about 60 GHz.
QuoteThe social distancing is all part of the targeting for tracking.
What's the point of tracking if people are not moving? And tracking is always active, Google has been doing it and even posted the results.
https://www.google.com/covid19/mobility/
QuoteThey are inventing death statistics and including whoever they can to create fear, and it may not be so in sunny Portugal but here in the UK people are in terror, and that is fundamental to their agenda of total control and mass injections.
I see more fear creating lies from people like that guy in the video than from the governments, but I confess I haven't seen much from the UK.
QuoteInjection is the ONLY method of aquiring a virus., and with injection multiple other ingredients can be added.
No, there are many ways of acquiring a virus, or do you think that Measles, for example, has to be injected for someone to be infected?
QuoteGates wants population reduction, He is pure evil.
From what I have seen, Gates wants population reduction through better living conditions, as that's what reduced Europe's birth rate, as people do not need to have 10 children so 2 or 3 reach adulthood and can help their ageing fathers, like we used to do some centuries ago.
That population reduction is needed in countries that have high birth rates and bad living conditions, like most in Africa, there's no reason to reduce the population in rich countries.
If rich countries have smaller populations who is going to buy all those useless things most people in those countries buy today and that make big companies rich and powerful?
Quote from: ArMaP on May 03, 2020, 05:54:36 PM
Debatable.
What lie?
That there is a virus...it's a balloon with spikes stuck on it.
Kevin
Keep Your focus upon 60 ghz, don't mention 4+1.
60 ghz is enabling a condition of oxygen depletion that is then blamed on a blown up balloon.
Gates is pure skum.
Kevin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgnBldI7KPY&feature=share&fbclid=IwAR31vFwOkgjDoiVtqmE2yO3RNAX0fKOz5O42Gy8XNSU50nBtSr9_chXkD_w
Kevin
Quote from: kevin on May 03, 2020, 08:39:10 PM
That there is a virus...it's a balloon with spikes stuck on it.
So, are you calling all those scientists liars?
Quote from: kevin on May 03, 2020, 08:43:07 PM
60 ghz is enabling a condition of oxygen depletion that is then blamed on a blown up balloon.
Prove it.
QuoteGates is pure skum.
Who cares?!
I think part of the problem (this is specific problem and the problem with many so called "conspiracy theories") is that people concentrate their thoughts on a couple of people that are pointed to them as either the ones to follow or the ones to attack.
Me, I just ignore figure heads and try to look for verifiable facts.
In this case of SARS-CoV-2, for example, people keep pointing Bill Gates and Dr. Fauci (or whatever his name is) as being "behind the lie", but they fail to prove that there's a lie, so why should I accept what they say? Just because they made a video?
Quote from: ArMaP on May 03, 2020, 10:34:30 PM
Prove it.
Who cares?!
Mr "Prove it",
At this point You have to try and comprehend where Knowledge originates.
KNOW.
I have spent the last fifteen years trying to come to terms with information I KNOW, that are outside of the constraints of our limited five senses.
The skum bags who are pulling the strings of this global lie have control over the methods and means of obtaniing PROOFS.
The reason I so admire You ArMap is because You are so pure in Your addiction to the limits of a tiny portion of perception available to us.
I KNOW what Your respone/s will be.
I watch the addiction the vast majority have to their phones, which I have never bothered with.
They are consuming fed information, which the skum bags like gates control.
So...You will simply have to find out about 60 ghz for yourself, and it's symbiotic relationship with iron and oxygen absorption, if You want your little fishy on a dishy, go fishing.
Kevin
Here's the way I see it.
It would not be much of a discussion forum if we all agreed 100 percent on every issue.
The idea of a forum is like a debate. Present both sides of the argument and look at all of the data and come up with a conclusion.
There seems to be something to the 5G argument that it is not good for us. I am not convinced that it is the sole reason the virus is spreading. Nursing home outbreaks don't fit the mold for one thing.
As far as proving information.....Life is a personal journey and discovery. The idea is for us to come to our own conclusions, not to convince others to believe 100 percent of our beliefs.
Quote from: micjer on May 04, 2020, 12:55:52 PM
Here's the way I see it.
It would not be much of a discussion forum if we all agreed 100 percent on every issue.
The idea of a forum is like a debate. Present both sides of the argument and look at all of the data and come up with a conclusion.
There seems to be something to the 5G argument that it is not good for us. I am not convinced that it is the sole reason the virus is spreading. Nursing home outbreaks don't fit the mold for one thing.
As far as proving information.....Life is a personal journey and discovery. The idea is for us to come to our own conclusions, not to convince others to believe 100 percent of our beliefs.
%g is not dangerous at specific frequencies , it operates across 30/300ghz.
It is dangerous at 60 ghz relative to oxygen absorption into the lungs.
As for care homes look into age UK supplying laptops and wifi in them.
It is a condition been created by 60 ghz that is been blamed on a virus, they are not testing the dead, they are simply assigning anyone with SYMPTONS and claiming it is a virus.
Try to stop accepting there is a virus, there isn't.
Kevin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPMtogVgL9c&feature=share&fbclid=IwAR0AyGSD83yZnXhE7hBEVgdWI-wv7KyPgyuwEJHz7gNiK-jIZWqenV_0m-s
This is part of their agenda globally, even in Portugal.
Resistance is futile
kevin
Just listen to the science, listen to science, listen to the science...theories are just that until proven to be fact.
Quote from: spacemaverick on May 04, 2020, 05:40:04 PM
Just listen to the science, listen to science, listen to the science...theories are just that until proven to be fact.
What science?
Kevin
I put a video up on the thread from 2 frontline doctors with backgrounds in microbiology and immunology. Their backgrounds span decades in their fields. I guess no one watched it. Microbiology and immunology are the sciences. Oh well, I guess no one even attempted to watch a video with facts.
Quote from: spacemaverick on May 04, 2020, 07:59:56 PM
I put a video up on the thread from 2 frontline doctors with backgrounds in microbiology and immunology. Their backgrounds span decades in their fields. I guess no one watched it. Microbiology and immunology are the sciences. Oh well, I guess no one even attempted to watch a video with facts.
I watched that and they made pure sense, they backed it up with vast results, their conclusions was it was no different than the yearly flu, and they kept asking WHY why are we locked down, why is business been destroyed.
They said they were really quiet.
they argued that any quarantine should be of the sick, not the healthy.
Then they talked about the normal flu injections.....that's when they hit the nail on the head stating that most don't want the injection, and unless YOU FORCE THE WHOLE POPULATION TO TAKE IT
That is the agenda.
But I still will say there is no virus, what they are testing for is from injections previously given over the years, been said to be covid.
The condition been created by 60 ghz then been said to be the virus.
Once they FORCE THE WHOLE WORLDS POPULATION TO BE INJECTED then they will really go to town, and blame a mythical virus which the whole population have been indoctrinated to BELIEVE exists and thus accept that billions dying is a result of.
kevin
Quote from: kevin on May 04, 2020, 09:31:27 AM
I have spent the last fifteen years trying to come to terms with information I KNOW, that are outside of the constraints of our limited five senses.
That's where the problem begins, when people start assuming they know things that are just their own interpretation of something.
Knowledge about our interpretation of something is just that, knowledge about our interpretation, it's not knowledge about that something.
QuoteThe skum bags who are pulling the strings of this global lie have control over the methods and means of obtaniing PROOFS.
That's another side of the problem, you are presenting things as facts. To me, to be able to accept what you say, you have to show proof, otherwise why should I believe you? Just because you say so?
QuoteThe reason I so admire You ArMap is because You are so pure in Your addiction to the limits of a tiny portion of perception available to us.
What tiny portion of perception?
QuoteI KNOW what Your respone/s will be.
Then you should have said it.
QuoteI watch the addiction the vast majority have to their phones, which I have never bothered with.
They are consuming fed information, which the skum bags like gates control.
I don't understand the relevance of what other people are doing.
QuoteSo...You will simply have to find out about 60 ghz for yourself, and it's symbiotic relationship with iron and oxygen absorption, if You want your little fishy on a dishy, go fishing.
You are the one talking about it, why should I waste my time doing the research that you, supposedly, already did?
Quote from: kevin on May 04, 2020, 05:16:39 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPMtogVgL9c&feature=share&fbclid=IwAR0AyGSD83yZnXhE7hBEVgdWI-wv7KyPgyuwEJHz7gNiK-jIZWqenV_0m-s
This is part of their agenda globally, even in Portugal.
Resistance is futile
kevin
I couldn't find any government source with that text, do you have one?
Quote from: kevin on May 04, 2020, 08:40:53 PM
But I still will say there is no virus, what they are testing for is from injections previously given over the years, been said to be covid.
The condition been created by 60 ghz then been said to be the virus.
Tell me, why should we believe what you say? Just because you say it?
If I say this disease is the result of watching too many cat videos on YouTube would you accept it?
Questions for Kevin...
I am calling out the 5G Covid myth yet again as I think David Ike is spiking the koolaid.
Where on earth is 60Ghz 5G being broadcast? I have yet to find 1 article stating that 60Ghz 5G is running at full speed.
***Cellular companies are NOT going to KILL their own customers and make themselves broke or be open to class action lawsuits. That is not good for business.***
Why is 5G not affecting EVERYONE in range of the towers?
Why is there COVID showing up beyond the meager range of anywhere that is broadcasting 5G?
How is it spreading to areas with NO coverage?
Tactical direct energy weapons typically have the same affect on most people this does not. They also can not induce cold/flu like symptoms.
The COST of killing us via 5G would be astronomically higher than doing so with a virus not to mention the horrible inefficiancy of having to ensure the entire population is saturated with enough signal strength to even induce a mild symptom.
There is a paper trail follwing the actual VIRUS for over a decade proving A) it EXISTS AS FACT, B) That it has been corroborated by multiple scientists and medical professionals that do NOT even remotely suggest a 5G connection.
60 Ghz is a very SPECIFIC frequency. In order for it to affect you it would likely have to be transmitted at a sustained level for a long time. Switching 5G around on variable frequencies is not going to produce the desired effect. Check out how sound waves create Schladney patterns and you'll see a connection.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvJAgrUBF4w
Thanks Ellirium, my thoughts are in agreement with you.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6FElWiV3Y0
If You don.'t have vaccine they will force You to have it.
With the ability to take all your possessions and home and destroy it.
Land of the free????
Kevin
Quote from: Ellirium113 on May 04, 2020, 11:22:23 PM
Questions for Kevin...
I am calling out the 5G Covid myth yet again as I think David Ike is spiking the koolaid.
Where on earth is 60Ghz 5G being broadcast? I have yet to find 1 article stating that 60Ghz 5G is running at full speed.
***Cellular companies are NOT going to KILL their own customers and make themselves broke or be open to class action lawsuits. That is not good for business.***
Why is 5G not affecting EVERYONE in range of the towers?
Why is there COVID showing up beyond the meager range of anywhere that is broadcasting 5G?
How is it spreading to areas with NO coverage?
Tactical direct energy weapons typically have the same affect on most people this does not. They also can not induce cold/flu like symptoms.
The COST of killing us via 5G would be astronomically higher than doing so with a virus not to mention the horrible inefficiancy of having to ensure the entire population is saturated with enough signal strength to even induce a mild symptom.
There is a paper trail follwing the actual VIRUS for over a decade proving A) it EXISTS AS FACT, B) That it has been corroborated by multiple scientists and medical professionals that do NOT even remotely suggest a 5G connection.
60 Ghz is a very SPECIFIC frequency. In order for it to affect you it would likely have to be transmitted at a sustained level for a long time. Switching 5G around on variable frequencies is not going to produce the desired effect. Check out how sound waves create Schladney patterns and you'll see a connection.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvJAgrUBF4w
60 ghz has been used by the intelligence services since WW11
4+1 is available across 30/300 ghz.
https://www.60ghz-wireless.com/
All of the links about this are created by vested interest companies.
It is 60 ghz that is dangerous relative to an individuals own bio field been reduced ( typically with age)
The 4+1 radiation is now global thanks to Mr elon musks medium orbit satellites.
They can vary at will the transmission frequency to any given area.
Kevin
Did you read this from that site?
QuoteHistoric use of 60GHz frequencies: it's not new !
60GHz has already been used for decades: 60GHz radios have been used commercially since 2001, and for other applications since the 1990's, in many cities worldwide. Long before 5G was even dreamed up, Point-to-Point radios all over the world have used 60GHz band now for decades. There have been NO reported health issues from 60GHz during ALL of this time, no protests, and no studies suggesting that they could, or would cause any harm. If you've read recent scare-mongering about 5G, stop and think rationally. These 60GHz frequencies have been used for decades already with no known adverse effects or health reports. Considerable safety research has been done.
https://www.60ghz-wireless.com/60ghz-technology/60ghz-technology-v-band-wireless-health-and-safety/ (https://www.60ghz-wireless.com/60ghz-technology/60ghz-technology-v-band-wireless-health-and-safety/)
I think we are fearing and focusing on the wrong thing here. The virus is really nothing. Just a bad flu.
The real agenda is the vaccine that they want to force on us.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_9bQ_Ri9p0&feature=emb_logo
In this explosive interview, Spiro Skouras is joined by Dr. Sherri Tenpenny. The two discuss the latest developments regarding the coronavirus situation which was declared a global health pandemic, by the Gates funded World Health Organization, as more information comes to light questioning the need for a global lockdown.
No, it is not the virus, it is the blank check issued to the vaccine and drug manufacturers, which not only provides unlimited funding, but also provides blanket immunity to Big Pharma for any harm attributed with the treatments produced during the declared emergency, including all drugs and vaccines.
This blanket immunity is provided by the US government under the PREP Act and provides the drug and vaccine manufacturers the 'Ultimate Blank Check' during a declared emergency. As Dr. Tenpenny points out, the vaccine and drug manufacturers have zero incentive to produce a safe product, as the declared emergency not only rolls back regulatory standards and removes them from any and all liability, but it also ensures the government will purchase their products.
Quote from: Ellirium113 on May 05, 2020, 12:22:15 PM
Did you read this from that site?https://www.60ghz-wireless.com/60ghz-technology/60ghz-technology-v-band-wireless-health-and-safety/ (https://www.60ghz-wireless.com/60ghz-technology/60ghz-technology-v-band-wireless-health-and-safety/)
Of course I did, the 60 ghz has now been weaponised, and anyone suggesting such has very little other than vested interestd data to look at, but they are letting the cat out of the bag about this with what they do allow to be known.
Kevin
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/04/world-leaders-pledge-74bn-euros-to-research-covid-19-vaccine
I will suggest that the so called vaccine and all the needles etc are already in place, it needs the general populations authority to allow the mass injections justified by a non existent virus creating solid enough fear.
They are operating exactly like religions do, with believers refusing to hear or allow anyone questioning that belief.
They sure are doing a first class mind control plan demic.
Kevin
How is the Vaccine going to stop it if it is caused by 5G? do they plan on adding a device to Jam the signal?
Please keep sending the 5G stuff as I find it interesting. Maybe I'll see something eventually to raise an eyebrow to.
I am curious as to why you seem to have NO skepticism on this and what you found or saw that convinced you this is really happening the way you think it is. I still plan on debating this until I see evidence this is truly causing harm to the population. I find it strange most of the alternative news sites are not shoving this down our throats if it was true.
Another thing that leads me to belive this is bogus is that we have had HAARP arrays EISCAT etc. all capable of doing this YEARS ago. They do not NEED 5G to do it.
Quote from: Ellirium113 on May 05, 2020, 10:03:58 PM
How is the Vaccine going to stop it if it is caused by 5G? do they plan on adding a device to Jam the signal?
Please keep sending the 5G stuff as I find it interesting. Maybe I'll see something eventually to raise an eyebrow to.
I am curious as to why you seem to have NO skepticism on this and what you found or saw that convinced you this is really happening the way you think it is. I still plan on debating this until I see evidence this is truly causing harm to the population. I find it strange most of the alternative news sites are not shoving this down our throats if it was true.
Another thing that leads me to belive this is bogus is that we have had HAARP arrays EISCAT etc. all capable of doing this YEARS ago. They do not NEED 5G to do it.
Here in the UK, a so called expert, the one who demanded the lockdown, a mathematical biologist has just resigned.
He has been caught with His pants down when he demanded lockdown.
He has been doing things with a married woman who has a family and children at his house and She has been travelling to his house to do things, not two metres apart.
The thing is....He will know there was no problem not to, and has said that He considered himself immune because He had contracted the so called virus.
They are playing the tune what the band leader instructs them to play, whilst fiddling.
I have been absorbed into this subject for aprox fifteen years, My own biggest sceptic, not able to believe what I was detecting.
A small band of skum bags have the top of pyramidal control over most of this planet, so good luck seeking proof about them and their agenda, they are very intelligent, with little empathy.
Those dying will be viewed as expendable collateral.
Royal Raymond Rife will give You an insight into the unique frequencies of every element and every living organism, and how by targeting a specific such will lead to it's destruction.
5G per say is not highly dangerous, it is the very specific frequencies it can be tuned to that is, it is weaponised easily, it is so with the correct CONTROL.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-52553229
That's after the chief medical officer for Scotland had to resign for going to her holiday home for weekends at the coast, whilst demanding lockdown.
Whilst the skum bag minister was travelling a 140 miles to one of his other homes whilst demanding lockdown.
They KNOW there is no virus, thus they have no fear of such, but have to play the tune their masters dictate to enable total CONTROL IS ACHIEVED.
This is all been achieved via technology, with a mythical virus been portrayed as the villain.
I can concede how terribly difficult this is to comprehend, it's almost inhuman (correct)
Kevin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3Ja0fsnFO4&feature=share&fbclid=IwAR0nFpYiGQijM6DQwUNoR2h69_UdgIf2dnHkPOzex9JVZRHvDrSeQjQz3us
There is a virus which they made, but it's nothing really dangerous, it is simply the trojan horse that will enable the fear to ramped up to then enable the global vaccination.
Then a really dangerous future can be implemented.
The technology is causing the condition been blamed on this manufactured virus.
Clever sneaky scum.
Kevin
I hope that You noted who fund the Pirbright institute that have the European patent on this virus.
I think He came through the GATES of hell.
They will already have the vaccine ready.
And You can only acquire a virus by injection.
All those elderly people who were given their flu jabs.
All those care homes that age uk gave wifi and laptops to.
Start putting 2 and 2 together and it will add up to 5.
Kevin
https://patriots4truth.org/2020/02/08/british-pirbright-busted-for-coronavirus-hoax/
If You start to delve into the Pirbright institute , with it's links to China and the rothschilds, then think back to flight MH370 and the way that the rothschilds then gained absolute control over certain patents to do with semi conductors and that on flight mh17 were leading experts in the aids virus .
Another plane that was said to have been shot down.
Things may begin to start to make sense to You????/
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/malaysia-airlines-crash-joep-lange-among-up-to-100-aids-researchers-and-activists-on-board-flight-9613821.html
Kevin
http://stateofthenation.co/?p=8136
You have to be a real worm type to dig into this deep deep carry on.
Kevin
http://truth.prabhupada.org.uk/bill-gates-plan-the-5g-corona-virus-connection
Spanish flu started in America...nose bleeds etc etc.
All We hear is radio blah blah, radio whats new?????
Kevin
Quote from: kevin on May 06, 2020, 06:44:39 PM
http://truth.prabhupada.org.uk/bill-gates-plan-the-5g-corona-virus-connection
Spanish flu started in America...nose bleeds etc etc.
That's a bold misleading statement. (the 1918 flu was first observed in Europe) then America with returning soldiers infected.
Coronavirus In Pittsburgh: Researcher Killed In Apparent Murder-Suicide Was Close To 'Making Very Significant Findings' Related To COVID-19, Pitt SaysQuoteOn May 2, police said 37-year-old Dr. Bing Liu was found dead in his home on Elm Court from apparent gunshot wounds to his head, neck and torso. Investigators say they now believe his death is a homicide.
Liu was a research assistant professor at the University of Pittsburgh School of Medicine, his department said on Monday.
"Bing was on the verge of making very significant findings toward understanding the cellular mechanisms that underlie SARS-CoV-2 infection and the cellular basis of the following complications. We will make an effort to complete what he started in an effort to pay homage to his scientific excellence," the department said on its website.
QuoteA second man, later identified as Hao Gu, was also found dead in his car on Charlemagne Circle, near Elm Court. Police say it appears he died from a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head.
According to police, the two victims knew each other. Investigators say they believe the male found in his car shot and killed the man in the Elm Court home before coming back to his car and taking his own life.
https://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2020/05/04/ross-township-apparent-murder-suicide/ (https://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2020/05/04/ross-township-apparent-murder-suicide/)
I'm sure this had nothing to do with his COVID research. ::)
Quote from: kevin on May 06, 2020, 05:47:57 PM
Things may begin to start to make sense to You????/
It's the opposite, I only see a mix of topics arranged to look scary and put people in fear.
Not read the updates of this thread for a while, but I can see recent mention of Bill Gates and forced Vacinations for CV19
Not sure if this has been posted.. apologies if it has...
In ref to Sceptics of A.J and what he seems to be suggesting, from what I can recall when I used to follow him in my earlier days... he suggests that many Scientists who may support most more modern day vaccines are working or connected to Government and maybe affraid to tell any truths due to loosing their jobs...if what A.J says has truths to it.
What I dont know is the suggested experts that A.J has who may give him information on the likes of Bill Gates or vaccines being the treat that he is suggesting....
Its hard to know how the public would be able to tell if they are legit or not... as most of us are NOT scientists at the level required to be able to really make valid judement on the indepth details of the complex science behind vaccines.
This is something however that for my own views that is VERY Hard to try to determine what may or may not be truth..
and I personally would not be happy to be told that we have to take the vaccine as compulsary...
Is the virus designed to do as A.J suggests ... shorten our lives or effect us in negative ways..or for it to kill us off in
a more discreet way rather than killing us in war like ways or risking Nukes...
If they wanted to Kill us off.... How quick would they like to do so I wonder and it would seem that giving us the vaccine is certainly a way just to much more easily cover things up...and easily come up with excuses if or when people may start to die...
or could they also maybe be including some sort of Nano technolgy Chip within the vaccine is something that I wonder they may also be considering...
The way I see it is they already have a large majority of the public mind controlled by their mobile smart phones that has chips in.. so they already are almost able to monitor us to a reasonable degree.
BUT to ensure that the public are more fully controlled for more future reasons... then I am sure that the power hungrey
controllers like Hitlers... Would like to experiment with us all in numerous further ways in what they may see as a type of
further indepth experiment...which I am sure would be much fun and ammusment to them type of persons.
NO doubt there also could be many benefits in the positive science and medical , financial implications as well if they were doing it in the publics best interest...
What I would like to know is ...
At one point I believe Donald Trump looked in quite some detail what Alex Jones was saying..
BUT Just how much he has been effected by his research or suggestions.... either in the past or ever at the present...
No doubt many will be saying that Both Donald Trump n the USA and Boris Johnson in the UK were somewhat delayed in taking what could has been a quicker better response to the CV threats...
Was B.Johnson awaiting for D. Trumps opinions on the treat ? and was D Trump delayed by him considering Alex Jones
suggestions...
Does he believe Alex Jones and if so... HOW does he see Bill Gates if Gates maybe seen as a threat to the World ?
What if anything could or will he do about it ?
If he is a or the trust worthy leader.... many believe him to be ....
Then who ever is involved in trying to mislead us all about this virus.... do they really think that they could fool the likes of any trustworthy honest leaders ?
Or is he involved in it along with most Leaders ?
But it may seem that some Countries leaders claim that they took actions much quicker to have managed to reduce the treat of the virus as they claim to have took the right actions much earlier on.
ONE MAIN THING THAT I DO NOT UNDERSTAND IS ....
WHY was most Countries NOT taking what should have been DESIGNED procedures that should have been already in place if such a threat occurs....
THE USA for eg has Govt organisations like FEMA... Federal Emergency Management Agency..
Are they NOT supposed to have processes / procedures in place if such threats occur ? where they should automatically
take relevent actions if any Virus or threats occurs ? and also have equipment in sore for such emergencies ?
Seeing that these organisations DID NOT appear to act as they could have done.. to me makes me severely QUESTION
what has occured and question why should we believe them ???
In ref to should we consider what the likes of A.J maybe suggesting..
I personally think in the past he has raised many a valid topic that has raised many questions about what we are told
by the likes of Govt and the media who I do believe all work together under the control of who ever empowers them or those types of organisations.
Such as A.J claims that the likes of Bin Larden had been suggested as having been killed off on maybe 3 occasions and
we never got to see any signs of his body !
That raises numerous major concerns as to what we believe by Govt and media..
What I also question is Why Has Trump not made any comments on this ???
On one occasion A.J had suggested that ALL WORLD leaders were put in Power by the NWO or who or what ever
the behind the scenes leaders / controllers are !
ArMaP
QuoteSo, are you calling all those scientists liars?
Bill Gates Announces World Government Will Forcibly Inoculate Entire Planet - FULL SHOW 5/6/20
https://banned.video/watch?id=5eb3369ab92746003a078a83
47,407 views
May 6, 2020
The Alex Jones Show
Meanwhile, Gates also says China Good, America Bad Amid Coronavirus Response. Tune in as we reveal the true agendas driving the global response to the coronavirus:
https://banned.video/channel/the-alex-jones-show
Quote from: ArMaP on May 07, 2020, 01:31:54 AM
It's the opposite, I only see a mix of topics arranged to look scary and put people in fear.
I reckon Portugal may be the perfect place to ride out this crap?
You are more than right about the fear, that is what the virus is designed to instill, that will then enable their agenda of global injections to further their agenda,
They are reporting today that black people are four times more likely to die from the virus than white people.
And that is a glimpse of the eugenics part of their agenda.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/coronavirus/uk-coronavirus-live-boris-johnson-to-review-lockdown-as-bank-of-england-gives-stark-recession-warning/ar-BB13FZQN?MSCC=1588853614&ocid=spartandhp
Kevin
Alex Jones claims that Donald trump is going to suggest that this Corona Virus is a Hoax.
https://banned.video/watch?id=5eb33bd3fad18d0060d7c388
A.J puts his view on Why Trump did not act sooner...and suggest that the Govt / NWO are now putting everything in place to destroy te economy and all that hes been saying over the years.
He suggests that Trump could not act in certain ways as he would had been blamed for mass Murder if initiually he claimed it had been a hoax.. and that the stock market could had crashed and the economy would had been destroyed severely more than it has so far. (That may no doubt be questionable ! )
He suggests that the Virus was developed by Obama's team some years ago and that they took it to China ...
and that Trump has to be careful how he goes about dealing with the situation...
He says that the virus is NOT as serious as made out or worse than normal Flu ...and has been now proven.
He also says that Trump will challenge Bill Gates...
A.J also says that the Health service / Hospitals / health care system etc make about or charge about $ 13 K per person who are in Hospital for general other serious health type issues...
BUT that they are charging $39K per person on CV19 issues.. !!! :o
and how poor people are now being denied help in many cases and denied benefits...as computer systems and phone systems are seen to be failing and people cannot get thru to the Social security as in many cases its overwhelmed and offices are closed so the public cannot even visit..
Do we believe what he is saying and Will Trump do as he suggest ???
A.J sounds convincing..and may have some valid points.... but its still hard to say if hes just spinning his own agenda.
I will be curious to see if Trump does as he indicates..
but even then do we really know if Trump is legit..and that can we really try to telll what maybe for real or maybe just put on for show and deceipt by those who are involved or displayed to us..
be it on TV media or online...be it politicians. or even the likes of A.J..
or are they all just acting it all out to make us believe what ever we decide maybe truth.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxee2W54dBY&fbclid=IwAR3OtYvbJy7nCUyKcSZs1z8Yi-Ya5jqz6OOWxGDsKc5W_1rHUdO8GkrTqkI
Kevin
Quote from: astr0144 on May 07, 2020, 01:23:19 PM
Alex Jones claims that Donald trump is going to suggest that this Corona Virus is a Hoax.
https://banned.video/watch?id=5eb33bd3fad18d0060d7c388
A.J puts his view on Why Trump did not act sooner...and suggest that the Govt / NWO are now putting everything in place to destroy te economy and all that hes been saying over the years.
He suggests that Trump could not act in certain ways as he would had been blamed for mass Murder if initiually he claimed it had been a hoax.. and that the stock market could had crashed and the economy would had been destroyed severely more than it has so far. (That may no doubt be questionable ! )
He suggests that the Virus was developed by Obama's team some years ago and that they took it to China ...
and that Trump has to be careful how he goes about dealing with the situation...
He says that the virus is NOT as serious as made out or worse than normal Flu ...and has been now proven.
He also says that Trump will challenge Bill Gates...
A.J also says that the Health service / Hospitals / health care system etc make about or charge about $ 13 K per person who are in Hospital for general other serious health type issues...
BUT that they are charging $39K per person on CV19 issues.. !!! :o
and how poor people are now being denied help in many cases and denied benefits...as computer systems and phone systems are seen to be failing and people cannot get thru to the Social security as in many cases its overwhelmed and offices are closed so the public cannot even visit..
Do we believe what he is saying and Will Trump do as he suggest ???
A.J sounds convincing..and may have some valid points.... but its still hard to say if hes just spinning his own agenda.
I will be curious to see if Trump does as he indicates..
but even then do we really know if Trump is legit..and that can we really try to telll what maybe for real or maybe just put on for show and deceipt by those who are involved or displayed to us..
be it on TV media or online...be it politicians. or even the likes of A.J..
or are they all just acting it all out to make us believe what ever we decide maybe truth.
What I have been trying to get across here is the way the virus is been used as a trojan horse.
It is been portrayed as the arch villain that super hero gates will kill with his virus.
The virus is not that harmful, and if We were all out in the sun ( in Portugal) which kills the virus, and temperatures above 18c also, but more importantly We were building immunity to it, then it would be just another flu.
Hidden inside the trojan horse is the technology of 60 ghz ( and other frequencies) that is what is causing the condition been written as cause of death on so many death certificates.
This is all brilliantly designed to cause global fear and both cover for a financial collapse and to enable gates de population agenda with eugenics involved .
Never forget that all of the Nazi's scientists were taken to the UK and America under operation paperclip.
Kevin
Hi Kevin,
Thanks for your explanation on your thoughts / research...
I have been away some time so I have not managed to keep up on the forum or posts on this thread in any reasonable detail as I would have liked.
If I can I will try to look further into what you have said.... as some of your points I was not familiar with.
BUT You maybe right....
if I cannot get around to taking time to catch up in more detail. in reasonable time..
Can I ask .. how you obtained your info on this trojan horse technology / 60 Hz..
seems quite hard to believe or very high tech but very scary, if so...
Was it from one of the known conspirists like A.J or David Icke or from some other source ... or maybe some Scientist ?
Yes... thats what I have been led to believe that the Nazis were taken to USA and other countries,
but at the same time... I seem to recall also A.J suggesting that such things have just gone on for many times in History to some degree from the time that the main Rich Controllers who ever they maybe started their plans.
be it Rothschilds or similar characters with such powers.
Quote
What I have been trying to get across here is the way the virus is been used as a trojan horse.
It is been portrayed as the arch villain that super hero gates will kill with his virus.
The virus is not that harmful, and if We were all out in the sun ( in Portugal) which kills the virus, and temperatures above 18c also, but more importantly We were building immunity to it, then it would be just another flu.
Hidden inside the trojan horse is the technology of 60 ghz ( and other frequencies) that is what is causing the condition been written as cause of death on so many death certificates.
This is all brilliantly designed to cause global fear and both cover for a financial collapse and to enable gates de population agenda with eugenics involved .
Never forget that all of the Nazi's scientists were taken to the UK and America under operation paperclip.
Kevin
Sorry for the two typo error in my earlier post.. ... I am surprised to reread what I said and also having the same error twice.... unless some hacker from the NWO has entered and altered my spelling ! who may have seen it as a Treat rather than a Threat ! ???
I meant to say
THREAT Not
TREAT...
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=11476.msg150696#msg150696
QuoteWhat I dont know is the suggested experts that A.J has who may give him information on the likes of Bill Gates or vaccines being the treat that he is suggesting....
Quote
Was B.Johnson awaiting for D. Trumps opinions on the treat ? and was D Trump delayed by him considering Alex Jones
suggestions...
astr0144,
I have been on this trail for aprox 15 years, to exactly nail down how I know about 60 ghz in isolation is difficult, and I spent months trying to glean everything left about Royal Raymond Rife.
I am a dowser, and as such operate in an unseen reality, hence Why I first took the monica ..hobbit.
I have been sort of driven by SOMETHING and spent many years involved with Linda Brown about her fathers works ..TT Brown.
When dealing with such it is not about been TOLD things, it is finding out about by yourself and been able to read between the lines .
By the way, where do You think such as David Icke get their information from?
I had fallen into a rabbit hole where Alice in wonderland resides, and it is deeper than most humans will ever comprehend
TT Brown was first and foremost a radio man, a communications expert, and involved with the best of the best, secret communications about this globe been vital.
60 ghz has unique properties in it's relationship with oxygen, and so it has been kept secret for many years, but what is now involved is basically WAR, as it has been weaponised, and yes an enemy that has been right here for millenniums is involved, a very clever and cunning enemy in the extreme, I like William Blakes painting of such which I will link.
This enemy looks like humans, walks like humans, talks like humans so don't go looking for aliens in the sky.
https://www.artfund.org/supporting-museums/art-weve-helped-buy/artwork/8506/cerberus
Basically that curly tailed monster has escaped via the GATES of hell, and is hungry.
Kevin
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gate_of_All_Nations
TT Browns final project was called...project xerxes.
GATES swing both ways, You can enter or leave via a gate.
You can never be sure what may be released when You open a gate.
The gateway of all nations, and there are more things in heaven and Earth than meets the eyes.
Kevin
Hi Kevin,
I have managed to read a few more of your posts...in ref to 60 HZ etc, so may have a bit more of an idea what you are explaining, but It will take me some time to look more into this.
What you said in your last posts seems most interesting.
According to your profile, you only became a member last year.. so are relatively new.
When you mentioned TT Brown..../ Linda...
I wondered was you a member a few years ago also when many on PRC with Zorgon were discussing TT Brown with someone that they believed to be Linda.. who I am and maybe most members are still maybe not sure if it was really her or not..
as "Z" and others had some sort of fall out... and either she left or "Z" banned her... This was going on more when I was more LESS aware (being a newbie and still so in many areas even after some years :) .) who such persons were. and some years later I seem to recall Zorgon and others still questioning was it her or not ?
I dont claim to really know much detail compared to others on here in ref to that.. but if it was really Linda or TTs daughter...then its like having Einstein or Tesla's relatives as members on PRC.
Would you have any idea / thoughts if you think it was really TTs Daughter or not ?
Will try to catch up more and comment further when I can.
Astr0
Quote60 ghz has been used by the intelligence services since WW11
4+1 is available across 30/300 ghz.
https://www.60ghz-wireless.com/
All of the links about this are created by vested interest companies.
It is 60 ghz that is dangerous relative to an individuals own bio field been reduced ( typically with age)
The 4+1 radiation is now global thanks to Mr elon musks medium orbit satellites.
They can vary at will the transmission frequency to any given area.
Kevin
In ref to the 1918 Flu...
I thought that I may had posted a ref to it a few weeks ago.. and thought that I read it had started in the USA.
but re reading Wikipedea on it... it says its still disputed and has made a ref to both Europe / France or Spain maybe
being refereed to as "Spanish " you would think ! and also the USA...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_flu
Disease Influenza
Virus strain A/H1N1
Location Worldwide
First outbreak Disputed
Quote
United States
Some have suggested that the epidemic originated in the United States. Historian Alfred W. Crosby stated in 2003 that the flu originated in Kansas,[26] and popular author John M. Barry described a January 1918 outbreak in Haskell County, Kansas, as the point of origin in his 2004 article.[5]
Quote
Quote from: kevin on May 06, 2020, 10:44:39 AM
http://truth.prabhupada.org.uk/bill-gates-plan-the-5g-corona-virus-connection
Spanish flu started in America...nose bleeds etc etc.
That's a bold misleading statement. (the 1918 flu was first observed in Europe) then America with returning soldiers infected.
« Last Edit: May 06, 2020, 02:18:29 PM by Sgt.Rocknroll »
I have found some prior posts that I made with links to some of the past Flu pandemics on pages 8 and 9
heres one link
Quotehttp://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=11476.msg150217#msg150217
astr0144,
I was banned off here at that time, the TIME was not right.
One of the things Linda kept saying was..."wait for it"
Some say Her father built a time machine.
He kept His cat called hobbit on a leash, a strange thing to do?
Whilst on here I built a huge respect for Zorgon.
Time =gravity.
gravity =time.
Alter one, and You alter the other.
Kevin
I seem to recall various misunderstandings / disputes with certain members connected from another TT related group
of members who had joined PRC from that group...
and later Z having some issues...
But I knew nothing or very little about what had been going on as a newish or much less knowledgable member...
I will have to make my own judgement at what an answer maybe in ref to Linda.. I think !
Space, Time and Gravity are things that I have tried to gain more interest in... but lack the IQ points to grasp some
concepts of it.. but it seems one of the most interesting subjects for Science related students...
I am not if you believe UFOs / advanced technology may just be manmade or if they maybe some ET stuff that has come to this planet.
Also I am unsure if the likes of TR3Bs may work on some type of TT Brown concepts on some other advanced technology ..
Thks for posting this link on Forced vaccinations ? This sort of thing really concerns me !
As to HOW quickly they can change laws and the public do not even know until its too late...
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=11476.msg150677#msg150677
QuoteIf You don.'t have vaccine they will force You to have it.
With the ability to take all your possessions and home and destroy it.
Land of the free????
Kevin
How Utter Evil they can be !
They can change the law or move the goal posts or invent anything they like...and take us away without any consent.
How much authority do they now have lined up and on what scale ?
How many prision like camps / hospitals Fema camps do they have for us ? lined up NOW !
How does one get out of such a thing if at all possible...
No where to Run any more...!
Although a recent foreign neighbor arrived a few weeks ago with a young family and soon disappeared after they announced lock down...Something I suspect that they knew what to expect and may have had some where or some way to get out of the Country even in Lock down...
Quote from: kevin on May 07, 2020, 06:18:40 PM
astr0144,
I was banned off here at that time, the TIME was not right.
One of the things Linda kept saying was..."wait for it"
Some say Her father built a time machine.
He kept His cat called hobbit on a leash, a strange thing to do?
Whilst on here I built a huge respect for Zorgon.
Time =gravity.
gravity =time.
Alter one, and You alter the other.
Kevin
astr0144,
There were some very strange things going on with someone using the name Mikado.
He had his house bulldozed to the ground.
Powerful forces at work indeed.
Gravitator. gravitor.
Kevin
A writer called Paul Schatzkin was asked to write the life story of TTBrown.
He suddenly stopped, as if spooked.
Kevin
I recall Mikados name, but was not realy sure what was going on with the Other related TT / LB follower members
I cant really recall too much about it or did not understand much about it then or now...as Z and various other members were connected some years prior from other groups inc ATS ...so it would have been or was hard to follow or understand the discussions... but if Mikado did have his house bulldozed... that seems very disturbing.
I will have to allow some of your shorter comments to sink in I think to try to gain maybe more understanding ..
but some of the words I think have certain meanings to me.
Quoteastr0144,
There were some very strange things going on with someone using the name Mikado.
He had his house bulldozed to the ground.Powerful forces at work indeed.
Gravitator. gravitor.
Kevin
I dont recall Pauls name... but its a real shame if he was not to have wrote the book.
Quite possible he was asked from certain hidden powers not to do so.
Quote from: kevin on May 07, 2020, 07:12:37 PM
A writer called Paul Schatzkin was asked to write the life story of TTBrown.
He suddenly stopped, as if spooked.
Kevin
Quote from: astr0144 on May 07, 2020, 10:10:45 AM
In ref to Sceptics of A.J and what he seems to be suggesting, from what I can recall when I used to follow him in my earlier days... he suggests that many Scientists who may support most more modern day vaccines are working or connected to Government and maybe affraid to tell any truths due to loosing their jobs...if what A.J says has truths to it.
Some vaccines are compulsory in some countries, other countries do not have any compulsory vaccination, like Italy.
In Portugal, some vaccines are compulsory but we may ignore some of those without any problem, I spent many years without taking my vaccines, and only got them when I went to get the machine to make my own diabetes tests, as the nurse saw that I didn't have the vaccines updated and gave me the vaccines. In Portugal, unless under an emergency or calamity state (as we are now) everybody has the right to refuse medical any procedure.
QuoteIs the virus designed to do as A.J suggests ... shorten our lives or effect us in negative ways..or for it to kill us off in
a more discreet way rather than killing us in war like ways or risking Nukes...
Seasonal flu kills more people than CoViD-19, in Portugal 3 times more, as we usually have around 3000 deaths from seasonal flu and we are today at 1105 deaths from CoViD-19.
QuoteIf they wanted to Kill us off.... How quick would they like to do so I wonder and it would seem that giving us the vaccine is certainly a way just to much more easily cover things up...and easily come up with excuses if or when people may start to die...
or could they also maybe be including some sort of Nano technolgy Chip within the vaccine is something that I wonder they may also be considering...
If people taking one specific vaccine start to die unexpectedly people would notice, and doctors would notice, and not all doctors work for the government, so they couldn't keep those from talking about it and publishing their results.
As for a possible chip inside the vaccine, it could only be something like a RFID chip, as it would need to be so small that it couldn't do much, it could only be a mostly passive chip.
QuoteThe way I see it is they already have a large majority of the public mind controlled by their mobile smart phones that has chips in.. so they already are almost able to monitor us to a reasonable degree.
I would say more than reasonable.
QuoteBUT to ensure that the public are more fully controlled for more future reasons... then I am sure that the power hungrey
controllers like Hitlers... Would like to experiment with us all in numerous further ways in what they may see as a type of
further indepth experiment...which I am sure would be much fun and ammusment to them type of persons.
The best way of controlling people is to have them on their side. That's why here in Portugal, during the fascist regime, bread, milk and other necessary products that the people needed (most of the people were poor) were subsidised by the state, to allow people to have access to those things but not to others they didn't want people to have, like education.
If someone spoke against the government then the people that were not able to get an education and, because of that, didn't even know how to read (one bishop said that people should only learn how to sign their name, reading the newspaper headlines could be dangerous) would react against them because the government appeared to be good to them.
QuoteBut it may seem that some Countries leaders claim that they took actions much quicker to have managed to reduce the treat of the virus as they claim to have took the right actions much earlier on.
Some countries did things in one way, other countries in a different way, it doesn't sound like they were all on the same page in reacting against CoViD-19.
QuoteWHY was most Countries NOT taking what should have been DESIGNED procedures that should have been already in place if such a threat occurs....
From what I have seen, countries were not really prepared for a thing like this, they were not expecting a new disease that spreads that fast. Fortunately, it's not as contagious as measles, otherwise all countries would have reached full saturation of the health system in a week or two.
(Portugal was above 80% capacity of the UCI beds after some days, now we are below 50%)
QuoteTHE USA for eg has Govt organisations like FEMA... Federal Emergency Management Agency..
Are they NOT supposed to have processes / procedures in place if such threats occur ? where they should automatically
take relevent actions if any Virus or threats occurs ? and also have equipment in sore for such emergencies ?
Apparently they were not expecting something this big (or were not really expecting an epidemic), and I saw at least one article saying that some of the equipment they had (not specifically FEMA, but the Strategic National Stockpile) was past their expiration date.
QuoteSeeing that these organisations DID NOT appear to act as they could have done.. to me makes me severely QUESTION
what has occured and question why should we believe them ???
Probably the thing that usually happens, incompetence and corruption, with some people ignoring their duties and some people diverting money/equipment to companies belonging to their family and friends.
QuoteBill Gates Announces World Government Will Forcibly Inoculate Entire Planet - FULL SHOW 5/6/20
https://banned.video/watch?id=5eb3369ab92746003a078a83
Sorry, I'm not going to watch an almost 3 hours video from a guy I don't like.
Quote from: kevin on May 07, 2020, 01:12:14 PM
I reckon Portugal may be the perfect place to ride out this crap?
Not perfect, but at least a good place. :)
QuoteYou are more than right about the fear, that is what the virus is designed to instill, that will then enable their agenda of global injections to further their agenda,
If that's the case don't you see you are helping them with your posts? You aren't providing real evidences of what you say, so people tend to dismiss it, so, if "they" exist, they get stronger when people dismiss your posts as being unproven.
If you have clear evidences, post them, if you do not then it means you need more investigation, so you can get to the evidence.
QuoteThey are reporting today that black people are four times more likely to die from the virus than white people.
I saw something similar one month or more ago, from the US.
QuoteAnd that is a glimpse of the eugenics part of their agenda.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/coronavirus/uk-coronavirus-live-boris-johnson-to-review-lockdown-as-bank-of-england-gives-stark-recession-warning/ar-BB13FZQN?MSCC=1588853614&ocid=spartandhp
I don't understand where's the eugenics in that article. ???
Quote from: astr0144 on Today at 02:10:45 AM
I included my prior posts and have included Armaps comments and replied inbetween the two in Black BOLDER TYPE.
QuoteIn ref to Sceptics of A.J and what he seems to be suggesting, from what I can recall when I used to follow him in my earlier days... he suggests that many Scientists who may support most more modern day vaccines are working or connected to Government and maybe affraid to tell any truths due to loosing their jobs...if what A.J says has truths to it.
In ref to Vaccines... No doubt we can have differing views, that can depend upon varied factors. which is what makes some find it VERY HARD to try to decide what to do or consider about them.
Before Alex Jones educated me on his views on them.. which I now do seriously more consider... prior to this... I probably would not had questioned them. and probably been willing to go along with them if some Doctors or medical
persons had suggested we accept taking them.
Also if certain people already are using them.. or have had situations where they had taken them before and maybe
been benifited by them... then that would seem so much harder to question any negative sides or conspiracies to them.
Then there is the main concern about past epiemics where its suggested that the invention of the virus saved humanity during those death / deadly times... that if say today we were to witness people we know start to die on a larger scale..
if it was then a vaccine could help save or reduce our chances of being effected... in many cases I am sure most would welcome chancing requesting to have treatment and to accpt having the vaccine.
and this is also why if someone comes along with an EVIL like intention behind suggesting that the public should consider taking such treatment.... then its very hard to know any different.. and we also are just often no better than
children who can only go along or accpt what adults would tell or advise us.
In cases where there is a genuine severe epidemic dangerous disease... that is Very contagous....then that would
seem that taking a vaccine if its been created and proven to some accptable degree to aid us for the better..
then if it then comes down to what should we think if some people decide that they will not accept being vaccinated..
then it could be that the majority will agree with any authorities to enforce such people to be vaccinated as so to aid them not infecting others.. or ourseleves in the future.
So this is also an IDEAL solution for anyone who may have deliberate evil like intentions... to be able to use such a
thing to convince the masses to go along with it.... unless somehow or someone trusted can educate us differently
to aid us to avoid accpting them and also stopping authorities from enforcing them on us...of which only certain trusted persons of certain influences could be chosen for this ..Armap
QuoteSome vaccines are compulsory in some countries, other countries do not have any compulsory vaccination, like Italy.
In Portugal, some vaccines are compulsory but we may ignore some of those without any problem, I spent many years without taking my vaccines, and only got them when I went to get the machine to make my own diabetes tests, as the nurse saw that I didn't have the vaccines updated and gave me the vaccines. In Portugal, unless under an emergency or calamity state (as we are now) everybody has the right to refuse medical any procedure.
QuoteIs the virus designed to do as A.J suggests ... shorten our lives or effect us in negative ways..or for it to kill us off in a more discreet way rather than killing us in war like ways or risking Nukes...
So are you suggesting those figures for seasnal Flu is the avg norm each year ?
and is 1105 CV 19 deaths in total since virus became more known from say early January..?
Comparing to the Uk where we are now upto over 30,000 deaths... a big diference !
and as far as I am aware... the UK CV 19 deaths so far in say just 3 to 5 months... is much more than just normal type seasonal flu deaths... (Not sure what that figure maybe with out checking..)
QuoteSeasonal flu kills more people than CoViD-19, in Portugal 3 times more, as we usually have around 3000 deaths from seasonal flu and we are today at 1105 deaths from CoViD-19.
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If they wanted to Kill us off.... How quick would they like to do so I wonder and it would seem that giving us the vaccine is certainly a way just to much more easily cover things up...and easily come up with excuses if or when people may start to die...
or could they also maybe be including some sort of Nano technology Chip within the vaccine is something that I wonder they may also be considering...
I am NOT sure if MOST Doctors are in some way or another connected to some sort of Govt as most of us maybe
in one way or another...but I suspect most are in the fact that in the UK for eg.. Most Doctors connected t it are in someway connected to a Govt controlled organisation as I suspect are most Drs who run even private type services.
BUT In the reality of things... would they ALL decide NOT to expose certain things.. just to ensre that they keep their jobs or careers... then I do suspect to quite a certain degree many would keep quite as they have a Lot to loose.
but I also suspect some would stand up for what they see as a major moral issue..esp if it was likely to effect certain people that they care about in some way.
In ref to NANO type chips or RFIDs... I am NOT certain they do exist... as yet.. BUT I suspect its highly possible that they
could do.. or that they have some other similar technology that gets smaller and smaller and harder to detect.
I think I have seen something on TV that has indicated such technolgy may exist...if I recall correctly.
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If people taking one specific vaccine start to die unexpectedly people would notice, and doctors would notice, and not all doctors work for the government, so they couldn't keep those from talking about it and publishing their results.
As for a possible chip inside the vaccine, it could only be something like a RFID chip, as it would need to be so small that it couldn't do much, it could only be a mostly passive chip.
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The way I see it is they already have a large majority of the public mind controlled by their mobile smart phones that has chips in.. so they already are almost able to monitor us to a reasonable degree.
Probably so QuoteI would say more than reasonable.
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BUT to ensure that the public are more fully controlled for more future reasons... then I am sure that the power hungrey controllers like Hitlers... Would like to experiment with us all in numerous further ways in what they may see as a type of further indepth experiment...which I am sure would be much fun and ammusment to them type of persons.
You make some good points and may well have the better or best solutions as itsort of helps hide it infront of everyone
along with the fear of what may happen if your risk trying to question or query certain things that you may disagree with.. if the majority appear to accept and go along with something..Quote
The best way of controlling people is to have them on their side. That's why here in Portugal, during the fascist regime, bread, milk and other necessary products that the people needed (most of the people were poor) were subsidised by the state, to allow people to have access to those things but not to others they didn't want people to have, like education.
If someone spoke against the government then the people that were not able to get an education and, because of that, didn't even know how to read (one bishop said that people should only learn how to sign their name, reading the newspaper headlines could be dangerous) would react against them because the government appeared to be good to them.
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But it may seem that some Countries leaders claim that they took actions much quicker to have managed to reduce the treat of the virus as they claim to have took the right actions much earlier on.
What you say seems to be the case.... but it does surprise me that their is not one main type of proven better way to
go about dealing with certain situations that is a Worldwide proven agenda that Countries agree to use or apply in certain situations... or maybe its best to NOT do things everyhee in the same way incase something goes wrong..
in one area hopefully that wont get repeated in other areas in the World.Quote
Some countries did things in one way, other countries in a different way, it doesn't sound like they were all on the same page in reacting against CoViD-19.
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WHY was most Countries NOT taking what should have been DESIGNED procedures that should have been already in place if such a threat occurs....
I agree that generally overall in most cases such things are very rare...
BUT they DO HAPPEN and Such organisations are well aware that things happen unexpected..
and there are ways tobe best prepared for such events .. Some may say they have NO excuse !!!Quote
From what I have seen, countries were not really prepared for a thing like this, they were not expecting a new disease that spreads that fast. Fortunately, it's not as contagious as measles, otherwise all countries would have reached full saturation of the health system in a week or two.
(Portugal was above 80% capacity of the UCI beds after some days, now we are below 50%)
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THE USA for eg has Govt organisations like FEMA... Federal Emergency Management Agency..
Are they NOT supposed to have processes / procedures in place if such threats occur ? where they should automatically take relevent actions if any Virus or threats occurs ? and also have equipment in sore for such emergencies ?
Again I agree we could say generally it was not expected and I can understand ignoring explanation dates for stock piled materials or drugs etc that could then have to be discared and replaced if you can then obtain the items ok.Quote
Apparently they were not expecting something this big (or were not really expecting an epidemic), and I saw at least one article saying that some of the equipment they had (not specifically FEMA, but the Strategic National Stockpile) was past their expiration date.
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Seeing that these organisations DID NOT appear to act as they could have done.. to me makes me severely QUESTION what has occured and question why should we believe them ???
That is probably correct and no doubt we can all be answerable for such situations at times..Quote
Probably the thing that usually happens, incompetence and corruption, with some people ignoring their duties and some people diverting money/equipment to companies belonging to their family and friends.
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Bill Gates Announces World Government Will Forcibly Inoculate Entire Planet - FULL SHOW 5/6/20
https://banned.video/watch?id=5eb3369ab92746003a078a83
I understand and dont blame you..
unfortunately I have also not watched it and cannot tell you the areas or times on the video of what maybe the most valid parts.
if I get time I MAY try to watch some of it..over the next few days..
This is a shorter video that I thought that I posted but I think that I did not do so..but that meant and intended to post it....
EXCLUSIVE! Trump To Expose Coronavirus Hoax!https://banned.video/watch?id=5eb33bd3fad18d0060d7c388
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Sorry, I'm not going to watch an almost 3 hours video from a guy I don't like
astr0144
Did you answer any thing of my post? I can't see if you did.
ArMaP
I am trying to answer at the moment in stages as I edit some of your comments...
I did not realise you had come back online before I edited the post.
I should have done this off line before I posted .. but thought that I could do this before anyone read it.
I will try to complete before my time is up to ammend...
I was trying to find some easier quicker way to answer in a certain layout without repeating the whole post to refer to..
but I have probably made a bitof a pigs ear of how I have tried to lay it out or ammend it unfortunately. ???
Quote from: ArMaP on May 08, 2020, 12:19:19 AM
astr0144
Did you answer any thing of my post? I can't see if you did.
Quote from: astr0144 on May 07, 2020, 11:59:24 PM
Before Alex Jones educated me on his views on them.. which I now do seriously more consider... prior to this... I probably would not had questioned them. and probably been willing to go along with them if some Doctors or medical
persons had suggested we accept taking them.
Also if certain people already are using them.. or have had situations where they had taken them before and maybe
been benifited by them... then that would seem so much harder to question any negative sides or conspiracies to them.
People have been using vaccines for centuries without problems worse than the disease they are supposed to fight. The last time I was vaccinated was in 2015, against diphtheria and tetanus, with no side effects.
What do you think is the problem with vaccines?
QuoteIn cases where there is a genuine severe epidemic dangerous disease... that is Very contagous....then that would
seem that taking a vaccine if its been created and proven to some accptable degree to aid us for the better..
Do you mean something like measles? It's highly infectious and is almost eradicated in some countries like Portugal. It only reappeared in recent years because some people do not like vaccines.
QuoteSo this is also an IDEAL solution for anyone who may have deliberate evil like intentions... to be able to use such a
thing to convince the masses to go along with it.... unless somehow or someone trusted can educate us differently
to aid us to avoid accpting them and also stopping authorities from enforcing them on us...of which only certain trusted persons of certain influences could be chosen for this ..[/b]
But why use vaccines? What vaccines have that those hypothetical evil people want to use them to control the masses?
QuoteSo are you suggesting those figures for seasnal Flu is the avg norm each year ?
and is 1105 CV 19 deaths in total since virus became more known from say early January..?
Yes. On a bad year we had almost twice that, with nearly 6,000 deaths.
QuoteComparing to the Uk where we are now upto over 30,000 deaths... a big diference !
Portugal's death rate for CoViD-19 is 108 deaths per million, for the UK it's 451.
QuoteBUT In the reality of things... would they ALL decide NOT to expose certain things.. just to ensre that they keep their jobs or careers... then I do suspect to quite a certain degree many would keep quite as they have a Lot to loose.
Their oath is to protect human life, do you think they would accept something like this without any problem? Besides that we have doctors from all political colours, so we always have doctors against the government.
You see, doctors are people too. :)
QuoteIn ref to NANO tye chips or RFIDs... I am NOT certain they do exist... as yet.. BUT I suspect its highly possible that they
could do.. or that they have some other similar technology that gets smaller and smaller and harder to detect.
I think I have seen something on TV that has indicated such technolgy may exist...if I recall correctly.
[/b]
"May exist" means nothing.
Yes, we have the technology to create nano chips, but would a chip do inside the human body? One isolated nano chip cannot do much, if "they" wanted it to do something they would need to add a power supply and interfaces for it to "read" the surroundings and actuators to act according to their program. We are far from nano chips that can have all that functionality, and, again, the question reappears: why?
QuoteWhat you say seems to be the case.... but it does surprise me that their is not one main type of proven better way to
go about dealing with certain situations that is a Worldwide proven agenda that Countries agree to use or apply in certain situations... or maybe its best to NOT do things everyhee in the same way incase something goes wrong..
in one area hopefully that wont get repeated in other areas in the World.
Most countries can't agree with basic things, why would they agree on having a common way of reacting against a pandemic?
I re call seeing some ref to Cerbercus on some TV program that I watched at sometime... but I am not sure what it may
have been other than maybe something like "Ancient Aliens" or something like about Greek Myths and Monsters..
so it seems that I THINK you suggest what we have been discussing is to do with pure Human activity..
but again I am not sure if you may have any views that ETs may exist or have done in some ways connected with us in someway.
In ref to GATES.. is this in ref to some sort of portal / Star Gate or Bill Gates maybe :)
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This enemy looks like humans, walks like humans, talks like humans so don't go looking for aliens in the sky.
https://www.artfund.org/supporting-museums/art-weve-helped-buy/artwork/8506/cerberus
Basically that curly tailed monster has escaped via the GATES of hell, and is hungry.
Quote from: kevin on May 07, 2020, 05:40:13 PM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gate_of_All_Nations
TT Browns final project was called...project xerxes.
GATES swing both ways, You can enter or leave via a gate.
You can never be sure what may be released when You open a gate.
The gateway of all nations, and there are more things in heaven and Earth than meets the eyes.
Kevin
I have not really studied the history of Vaccines over centuries.. and mainly are only aware of them in more modern times.. so how they may compare I dont really know. in terms of any or the positive or negitive effects .
I can only really comment on what witnessed from Alex Jones and some of his associates educational views on it that I have watched online.
It may well be in some cases some Vaccines are OK and work positivly to help us and do not cause any real problems.
but some of things that I seem to recall AJ talking about are the use of mercury in them that can cause us problems and side effects..as well as shortening our life span and causing some cancers.
so that is some of the problems with Vaccines which I think we have discussed in some past posts at some time. if you can recall some of the points that I have indicated.
Quotes from ArMaP
QuotePeople have been using vaccines for centuries without problems worse than the disease they are supposed to fight. The last time I was vaccinated was in 2015, against diphtheria and tetanus, with no side effects.
What do you think is the problem with vaccines?
In ref to what may be seen as VERY seriious Proven infections... then as I have said in some cases Vaccines maybe our only solution... even if they may have some negative effects.. it maybe we have to chance it and hope for the best.
but on some occasions it was suggested that some vaccines had been including really concerning other things within them that was suggested to be very bad for us but they still tried to fool us to accept them as being OK to take.
if I recall maybe on one maybe swine or bird Flu and H1 / N1 that also included some other part of the vaccine for some other issues that had been found to cause a lot of cancer and many other health related issues.
QuoteH1N1 Swine Flu Vaccine Insert Admits It Causes Guillain-Barre Syndrome, Vasculitis, Paralysis, Anaphylactic Shock And Death
Bird Flu Pandemic
Tuesday, Sept 29th, 2009
The package insert for the Influenza A (H1N1) 2009 Monovalent Vaccine manufactured by Novartis has been leaked on the Internet. According to that package insert, the vaccine (based on an earlier vaccine product known as Fluvirin) is known to cause a whole host of very nasty side effects such as guillain-barre syndrome, vasculitis, anaphylactic shock and even death.
Of course anyone who has been studying vaccine side effects already knows that it causes all of these things, but the story here is that the insert for the swine flu vaccine itself is admitting all of these things. The insert says that it was updated during September 2009, so it reflects the very latest information.
You can read the package insert for this vaccine for yourself right here.....
http://www.fluscam.com/Vaccine_Package_Inserts_files/Novartis_A-H1N1_2009_Monvalent_VaccinePackageInsert_BasedOn1980Approvalfor%20Fluvirin_UCM182242.pdf
The following is a list of some of the very nasty side effects that the vaccine package insert admits to
LOOK HOW LONG THE LIST IS !!!
*Local injection site reactions (including pain, pain limiting limb movement, redness, swelling, warmth, ecchymosis, induration)
*Hot flashes/flushes
*Chills
*Fever
*Malaise
*Shivering
*Fatigue
*Asthenia
*Facial edema.
*Immune system disorders
*Hypersensitivity reactions (including throat and/or mouth edema)
*In rare cases, hypersensitivity reactions have lead to anaphylactic shock and death
*Cardiovascular disorders
*Vasculitis (in rare cases with transient renal involvement)
*Syncope shortly after vaccination
*Digestive disorders
*Diarrhea
*Nausea
*Vomiting
*Abdominal pain.
*Blood and lymphatic disorders
*Local lymphadenopathy
*Transient thrombocytopenia.
*Metabolic and nutritional disorders
*Loss of appetite.
*Arthralgia
*Myalgia
*Myasthenia
*Nervous system disorders
*Headache
*Dizziness
*Neuralgia
*Paraesthesia
*Febrile convulsions
*Guillain-Barré Syndrome
*Myelitis (including encephalomyelitis and transverse myelitis)
*Neuropathy (including neuritis)
*Paralysis (including Bell's Palsy)
*Respiratory disorders
*Dyspnea
*Chest pain
*Cough
*Pharyngitis
*Rhinitis
*Stevens-Johnson syndrome
*Pruritus
*Urticaria
*Rash (including non-specific, maculopapular, and vesiculobulbous).
.....
https://www.prisonplanet.com/h1n1-swine-flu-vaccine-insert-admits-it-causes-guillain-barre-syndrome-vasculitis-paralysis-anaphylactic-shock-and-death.html
QuoteDo you mean something like measles? It's highly infectious and is almost eradicated in some countries like Portugal. It only reappeared in recent years because some people do not like vaccines.
I can only suspect that it has been at some stage a easier way to get the public to accept as some forms of treatment to what may had been some designed intentional virus to say shorten our life if say for eg they aimed to either do some tests on the masses or help reduce populations in some way.
QuoteBut why use vaccines? What vaccines have that those hypothetical evil people want to use them to control the masses?
that does seem a LOT for a warmer country..for just general Flu... but overall your CV 19 seems relatively low.. although you have a lower population maybe in comparision.. or maybe not if per million !
QuoteYes. On a bad year we had almost twice that, with nearly 6,000 deaths.Portugal's death rate for CoViD-19 is 108 deaths per million, for the UK it's 451.
I agree that You would think Drs should take a moral oath and maybe most do... but I suspect a certain % may not
fully comply...
Yes some will take sides in certain issues..but I am not sure how that they may act on some major issues that maybe suggested to them from Govt..
Alex Jones has made many a comment about Govt type Scientist sideing with Govt and I assume that also includes medical type ones who are also Doctors..
QuoteTheir oath is to protect human life, do you think they would accept something like this without any problem? Besides that we have doctors from all political colours, so we always have doctors against the government.
You see, doctors are people too. :)
I would more than likely say that they probly do already exist ... as I thin Nano techology has now become much more commonly used or will soon be so..
as to how they may work in the way you refer to... I am not sure but you may be right and I maybe wrong !
QuoteMay exist" means nothing.
Yes, we have the technology to create nano chips, but would a chip do inside the human body? One isolated nano chip cannot do much, if "they" wanted it to do something they would need to add a power supply and interfaces for it to "read" the surroundings and actuators to act according to their program. We are far from nano chips that can have all that functionality, and, again, the question reappears: why?
Whatyou say maybe correct.. but if they have a positive proven overall method... why should that not becoem a standard method or procedure...like the use of say British Standards maybe used in many Countries for various things.
QuoteMost countries can't agree with basic things, why would they agree on having a common way of reacting against a pandemic?
ArMaP
If what you say about normal Flu death rates Verses comparing to Covid 19 ones we have had so far...
If normal ones mainly world wide are relative to their populations scales and sizes...
Then it may well be that all Countries have well over reacted on all of this and we have been well and truly conned and misled and had parts of our lifes taken away .
Just a quick update on some of the USA stock market main indices such as the Dow Jones , S&P 500 and Nasdaq.100
On the Nasdaq , it appears to have recovered quite well so far since the large decline into March 20th... it has been back up over 70 % of its recent past declines and the S&P500 (or also known as SPX ) has been back upto 66%.... with the Dow having recovered at one stage to over 50%.
Looking at the Nadaq and SPX I would like to think there is a fair chance it could soon get back up to levels before the crash.
which would seem quite amazingly incredible if it does in such a short time... considering we are now being told to expect severe problems from the effects of the CV 19 Virus...
I think if the market hold up into next week i they have a good chance or a full recovery...if I had to take a quick analysis of whatI se of the charts..
(https://api.wsj.net/api/kaavio/charts/big.chart?nosettings=1&symb=ndx&uf=0&type=2&size=2&sid=127123&style=320&freq=1&entitlementtoken=0c33378313484ba9b46b8e24ded87dd6&time=8&rand=1588515108&compidx=&ma=0&maval=9&lf=1&lf2=0&lf3=0&height=335&width=579&mocktick=1)
(https://api.wsj.net/api/kaavio/charts/big.chart?nosettings=1&symb=spx&uf=0&type=2&size=2&sid=3377&style=320&freq=1&entitlementtoken=0c33378313484ba9b46b8e24ded87dd6&time=8&rand=1856336797&compidx=aaaaa%3a0&ma=0&maval=9&lf=1&lf2=0&lf3=0&height=335&width=579&mocktick=1)
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=11476.msg150218#msg150218
https://www.bitchute.com/video/WS0sN8ijWroS/ (https://www.bitchute.com/video/WS0sN8ijWroS/)
Hey Kevin; 5 G what do you think?
Quote from: spacemaverick on May 08, 2020, 03:55:54 AM
https://www.bitchute.com/video/WS0sN8ijWroS/ (https://www.bitchute.com/video/WS0sN8ijWroS/)
Hey Kevin; 5 G what do you think?
It played for a short while then froze.
Here's hoping that Your president has the balls to really stand up to this enemy.
It's the most cunning of enemies possible.
Kevin
5Qs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTyWFn6eW_M
Kevin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0A_TYt7icIo&fbclid=IwAR0Wge3tWUcE89HyjIdodsnxwZVr9MxtfTz0CBaFjLKF6qd-5YIJkylqeQM
He is what I consider as an American, in the land of the free.
Kevin
Quote from: astr0144 on May 08, 2020, 02:39:48 AM
I have not really studied the history of Vaccines over centuries.. and mainly are only aware of them in more modern times.. so how they may compare I dont really know. in terms of any or the positive or negitive effects .
I can only really comment on what witnessed from Alex Jones and some of his associates educational views on it that I have watched online.
That's the problem, those "educational" views that are one sided and based on specific situations that go wrong and ignoring the good.
QuoteIt may well be in some cases some Vaccines are OK and work positivly to help us and do not cause any real problems.
No, all vaccines are OK, otherwise they wouldn't be accepted, as they have to be tested like all other medicines.
Quotebut some of things that I seem to recall AJ talking about are the use of mercury in them that can cause us problems and side effects..as well as shortening our life span and causing some cancers.
The presence of Mercury in some vaccines is a result of using a preservative to allow for a longer shelf life for the vaccines, thiomersal. Vaccines themselves do not have Mercury.
Anyway, thiomersal has not been used in Vaccines in the EU for several years.
Quoteso that is some of the problems with Vaccines which I think we have discussed in some past posts at some time. if you can recall some of the points that I have indicated.
The problem with vaccines is not really a problem with vaccines, vaccines are mostly safe.
Quotebut on some occasions it was suggested that some vaccines had been including really concerning other things within them that was suggested to be very bad for us but they still tried to fool us to accept them as being OK to take.
"Suggested" doesn't mean it's true. :)
Quoteif I recall maybe on one maybe swine or bird Flu and H1 / N1 that also included some other part of the vaccine for some other issues that had been found to cause a lot of cancer and many other health related issues.
https://www.prisonplanet.com/h1n1-swine-flu-vaccine-insert-admits-it-causes-guillain-barre-syndrome-vasculitis-paralysis-anaphylactic-shock-and-death.html
All medicines have side effects, the fact that they include the list of possible side effects is a proof they are not hiding it.
One thing they say on the inserts is how common or rare are the side effects, and the worse described on that list appear as very rare, which means less than one case in 10,000 people inoculated.
QuoteI can only suspect that it has been at some stage a easier way to get the public to accept as some forms of treatment to what may had been some designed intentional virus to say shorten our life if say for eg they aimed to either do some tests on the masses or help reduce populations in some way.
Why would they want to shorten our lives? To have less people creating wealth? What would "they" gain from it?
Quotethat does seem a LOT for a warmer country..for just general Flu... but overall your CV 19 seems relatively low.. although you have a lower population maybe in comparision.. or maybe not if per million !
Portugal has a warmer weather, but it changes frequently and very rapidly, so many people catch colds and flu. And yes, Portugal has a relatively low death rate by CoViD-19, specially when compared with our Spanish neighbours. One of the reasons appears to be the fact that all political parties decided to not make this a political problem and all acted together, so we didn't waste time with political discussions, like happened in Spain.
QuoteI agree that You would think Drs should take a moral oath and maybe most do... but I suspect a certain % may not
fully comply...
Some I'm sure don't care, but the ones I know they almost all care about the people more than about government orders.
QuoteAlex Jones has made many a comment about Govt type Scientist sideing with Govt and I assume that also includes medical type ones who are also Doctors..
You shouldn't accept all Alex Jones (or anyone else) says without verifiable proof.
QuoteI would more than likely say that they probly do already exist ... as I thin Nano techology has now become much more commonly used or will soon be so..
as to how they may work in the way you refer to... I am not sure but you may be right and I maybe wrong !
Nano technology exists, but I don't think it's advanced enough to be used as you were suggesting, as they would need a much more complex chip and a way of powering it. A simple, mostly passive chip like RFID chips is one thing, but a chip that can "work" needs more power, some sensors and actuators.
QuoteWhatyou say maybe correct.. but if they have a positive proven overall method... why should that not becoem a standard method or procedure...like the use of say British Standards maybe used in many Countries for various things.
There isn't a proven method because things are not equal in all countries, they have to be adapted to each specific situation.
QuoteIf what you say about normal Flu death rates Verses comparing to Covid 19 ones we have had so far...
If normal ones mainly world wide are relative to their populations scales and sizes...
Then it may well be that all Countries have well over reacted on all of this and we have been well and truly conned and misled and had parts of our lifes taken away .
We haven't been conned because we (or at least I :) ) were not told that this had a huge mortality rate. The biggest problem with CoViD-19 is how fast it spreads, creating a flood of people needing medical attention and in some cases more complex ICU treatment.
If the disease reaches a point where there are more sick people than available hospital beds then the health system starts to go down, with hospitals not being able to respond to the surge in demand. That then affects doctors and nurses, as they have to work more hours than they can, so mistakes become more common and the probability of doctors and nurses getting sick increases.
Also, lack of hospital resources affects people with other health problems, so if someone has a heart attack and goes to the hospital they will find it a complete mess, with no beds available and overworked staff.
The whole idea behind the lockdowns was to slow the rate at which CoViD-19 spreads, to give the health system time to react.
It worked in Portugal, as we don't have that many cases or deaths per day but the slowing down is slower than on other countries, where everything happened faster.
PS: Portugal, being a poorer country, doesn't have many ICU beds, that was our biggest problem, as we reached more than 80% occupancy at the start of the pandemic, but now we are below 50.
Quote from: kevin on May 08, 2020, 03:18:00 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0A_TYt7icIo&fbclid=IwAR0Wge3tWUcE89HyjIdodsnxwZVr9MxtfTz0CBaFjLKF6qd-5YIJkylqeQM
He is what I consider as an American, in the land of the free.
A police officer that doesn't understand why they are told to arrest people that do not follow the rules is a little strange. ::)
PS: here in Portugal the police has only orders to arrest the worst cases, like infected people that decide to get out of the hospital and walk about without any protection, the police's work in this situation has been more about counselling than enforcing the rules.
ArMaP..
I will try to answer some of your points when I can ... but I know somethings we have discussed before and maybe still
have either not fully convinced each other or more inbred type views that we may still continue to consider even after discussions that we still sometimes tend to state or repeat again . (Some things just being human nature)
But I have made a related post to some others points I have further considered or raised .
The thing is sometimes... no matter what we may say or suggest or points .. theres usually an alternative no matter what ! No matter what view points one may take at the time... and then sometimes we says similar things again and may make a differing comment or view point... (Again often just human nature)
and somethings are just sometimes just awkward for some to try to explain or its somewhat seen as too time consuming to do a good enough job.
I think yourself at times go above and beyond the majority in various ways, that most of us will not are are unable to do in valid enough detail.
ArMaP
QuoteThat's the problem, those "educational" views that are one sided and based on specific situations that go wrong and ignoring the good.
I just tried to go thru this thread from the start (just as a quickish type scan ) to try to to aborb and gain a bit more understanding what has been wrote...
and to try to find out a bit more about when the 5 G / 60 Hz theory started to try to gain further undertanding and to
see what others members thoughts on it have been.
and I have to say... it is a combination of quite a few things with what may seem like some very intellegent content along with very disturbing material. that Could explode my head !
Trying to conclude so far on my attempts on trying to absorb some of this...
I will probably need several further reads just to try to make some valid judgement.
In many cases ... the less knowledable or intellegent hope that those who know more and are more knowledgabele and aware.. then it maybe we tend to accept or consider certain things with not always being to judge some things one way or another..or it takes a LOT of time and research and learning to try to make decisions that could be proven..
and I really dont think a large majority of people are able to this...
and maybe its only a set few that can try to judge better on more complex issues...
Some things I noted along the way...
Several videos seem to have now disappeared...
(Maybe Youtube or other websites have deleted them or maybe moderators have )
There has been quite a few comments or questions raised and some repeated...(which always will happen on forums)
and yet some I THINK have also been recently brought up again even at later stages in the thread.
Such as for eg.. Things like ... the issue behind vaccines... that as far as I recall have been discussed several times
before Covid 19... and Issues / comments from Conspircists like Alex Jones..
who makes comments about the likes of Bill Gates... and the suggestions that have been made about his agenda.
I am curious now.. if ArMaP who has at least ( maybe a few ) now watched some videos...
where as far as I know... some has had Bill Gates making making his comments out right.
I am still not sure if he has any real views on him or is still sceptical ?
If I recall (without adding refs to it)... He made some comments earlier in this thread in ref to Bill Gates..
and also later when I recently have made some posts mentioning Gates... he questioned me about him again.
and my impression was he still did not really go along with the negative comments I made in ref to B.G or accept them.
Does he see any evidence to support he indicates an evil agenda taking place ? or does maybe he think what Gates maybe be saying is for the best for us or the public masses ?
My view is quite often ArMaP wants to see the best or positive views on people or organisations..biz or companys. be it from suggested experts..or Drs / Scientist..politictions and that he maybe does not believe that some could have bad intentions.
I think many of us are brought up often to believe most such people should be trusted ...
since being online and looking into things like we discuss on this forum along with Conspiracy websites etc.
I think many of us end up then being flooded with a lot of negative stuff...of which in many cases...eventually I think we just often do start to believe many of them ...
and after a certain time... we get so used to accepting that they may well be right...
so for eg... why would the Govt or who ever want to reduce the population...
Why would they Kill us off etc...
As things have changed so much since say WW 2 ... technology wise... things are quite incredible..
but how much better off are the majority when we see the way that the employment situation has become.
and how technology has probably take away more jobs than its created at least so far.
and we have an ageing population...that they claim is causing so many problems...
if it is down to economics and money... then who knows what the Doctors and Scientist may now have to consider.
and what may or may not do or inform us about.
The way I see it... We all in some way or other are controlled by someone who is either superior to us..be it cleverer, stronger.. more knowledgable, richer etc...
and we are all at differing levels..
At School if I recall.... when they have what we called Grammer Schools and an 11 plus exam at age of 11..
Those who passed the 11 plus went to grammer School and and often became the leaders...but only 25 % pass to do so.
Then above this level there are other schools.. that the clever can be given the chance to do another exam that is a higher level and so on.
So those people .. generally do better in Life, get the better jobs and deal with life better and MAYBE easier at to a set degree... (BUT also do more difficult things that the majority can NOT do..)
So often these are the people we often put our trust and faith in ? or believe...
But when the likes of us members who study a certain ammount of things...
we no doubt doubt become at least a bit more knowledgable than most (at least I think we may believe or hope so..
but unfortunately that is not always the case ??? myself included .. as some things we can a have mental blocks or bad memory , lack of intake and / or understanding in enough detail or what ever.. etc etc)
So its just so hard for most to really be able to make real judgements esp on the complex stuff..
and thats why we look up to others who we think or believe may know better...
and it takes a lot of time often to observe someone... like Alex Jones for eg... to try and determine if whats he tells us is likely the truth or not...
I will agree in my early days... I KNEW very little and like many we all start somewhere..
and its only if get on a forum like this.. that you can get some other valid or valuable comparison views from others who have similar interest.
I also have to ask ArMaP and others who may still question it...
Have many who has been on this thread... had any change of views on 5 G and Kevs 60 HZ theories ?
On another basic attempt to look into what Kev says... Do I think its possible ?
I am no where near as educated in Science as some on here.. but
I and I know others have been aware of many a thing in relation to Mind Control.. other things that can be effected by
Electro magnetic waves etc ...
So I could not as yet disagree that the theory could not be truth... but then again I cannot prove it..
and probably most of us are in that position. but some of you do have more education and understanding in these areas.
So I am trying to find out if others may have made alternative views on he theory ?
I ran out of time adding this to my last post..
In ref to ArMaP again and Alex Jones and Bill Gates..
The link that I posted the other day... I managed to take a quick look at the first few mins.
and A.J shows a video of an interview of Bill Gates where he is taking about vaccines and some of the related things that we are led to believe he has discussed..
it seems as if the video has been taken down and A.Js channel closed down .
I wonder if there is another website with it on... (many are just links to his removed website )
A.J had his youtube channel taken down some months / years ago... I wonder how long he has his recent one up
before its been removed... I suspect quite sometime... so why its removed NOW I wonder...
How serious is his channel to the authorities... No doubt .. Quite severe !
(Did anyone manage to watch it or some of it at all... and do you have any comments on it if you thought that there was anything worth mentioning ...or that you have views on it ?)
I dont know if you did take a quick browsse of it.. but if you have or had..
Then my initial thoughts on it was Gates comments did seem quite threatening to us all.
and he was seeming to be acting like Big brother and dictating to us what we can and cannot do.or what may be..
Now in my opinion... he could have said some of this in a much toned down way to put his points across and not seemed like the school bully.
That to me does make me think hes a threat !
or does it take an authority figure to dictate to as an opinion would you maybe think if you believe what he may be doing is to ensure we do as he says in that it maybe for the best for
us !
Bill Gates Announces World Government Will Forcibly Inoculate Entire Planet - FULL SHOW /6/20
https://banned.video/watch?id=5eb3369ab92746003a078a83
If either Alex Jones or Bill Gates is misleading us ... what are the consequencies ?
Who do we trust ? and whos view or is there alternatives ?
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The other thing that Id like to consider..
is If there is such variable technology that can use Electro magnetic type waves..
I suspect that there could be several other ways that they could either effect severely in some ways or destroy us..
so does it really need the Virus / vaccines theories... or is this just the best way they can go about it without raising
any more than would be considered or accepted reasoning.... that would therefore be less obvious or questionable
as to the reasons behind it...
In other words is this a way to give us the best acceptable excuse ?
But is it really the best most effective way ?
How quick is it aimed to occur and to what depth ? How severe ? what % of population .
Alex jones used to claim he had a book he somehow obtained.. that gave a plan as to how they planed to do things?
He has always mentioned vaccines since I followed him maybe 10 yrs....but I am not sure hes has ever mentioned this particular virus before...
so if the virus is not genuine ..was this created in advance or how how much may they have already been doing in other ways.... How do we know they have not been killing people in Hospitals in other ways for some years or messing with
peoples other medications ?
The Food and drink theories have occurred Since A. Jones early days..but that seems a slower life shortening method..
rather than a quicker kill..
astr0144,
Excellent deductions and reasonings.
A story.....
Akin to the Trojan horse story where the Greeks could not defeat the city of Troy even after ten years of surrounding the city and trying everything to defeat troy.
This story is now replicated with computer virus.
Then think of the covid 19 as the horse, left by the greeks as they sailed away apparently giving up.
The people of Troy wheeled the great horse into the city as a trophy, but hidden carefully within this horse are highly trained super soldiers waiting their chance at night fall to emerge and defeat the cities defences.
Fast forward to the here and now, and view these scum bags some call elites as the potential invaders and killers of humanity.
They have tried and tried for years to reduce the worlds population with all kinds of attacks, but our inbuilt DEFENSE ( immune) system has repelled all efforts.
But they develop a technology that the vast majority of humans love and carry with them, addicted to this technology.
They surround the whole planet with this technology and it's weapons are not visible, hidden within the normally semi safe super technology are the super soldier killer force, only to be deployed when humans are entrapped in prison ( cruise ships), the human defense system weakens as we age, and the cruise ships are populated with rich aged.
The virus is released in a location where Your super killer technology goes to work ( Wuhan) and it is DECLARED AS THE KILLER.
tHIS IS REPEATED ON THE CRUISE SHIPS WHERE THE PERFECT IMPRISONED SITUATION OCCURS AND THE AGED FALL LIKE FLIES, AGAIN THE VIRUS IS DECLARED AS THE KILLER AND MASS PANIC BEGINS WITH A GLOBAL RESPONSE OF IMPRISONMENT FOR HUMANS.
FEAR GRIPS MANY( AND THIS REDUCES OUR DEFENSES SYSTEM)
The deaths are not tested, and the hospitals financially rewarded for declaring death to covid just on symptons.
All the time this is going on more and more super killers are deployed about the globe, whilst the fear filled stay in prison fearing the wrong enemy.
Wearing masks that will do far more harm to the wearer as any rejected myriad of virus are reinhaled.
As the super killers are not visible anyone suggesting they are responsible is ridiculed, any attempt to debate or divulge such is removed and ridiculed, and the fear filled masses turn on the ones trying to point out the non visible as been the real killer, and it will be then able to really kill it's chosen targets at will when more and more people contract the virus after been injected with it.
Cerberus has escaped its underground cage as the GATES of hell have enabled this.
It's a story that repeats over time, and the people are always caught out.
To the victor, the history.
Kevin
Look at the peaks on a graph in this link relative to O2 and H2O.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extremely_high_frequency
Then think of what You are made of.
The cruise ships were fitted with Medallion net, they are the big white balls on top of the ships, and they are operating with both the medium orbit satellites and the fixed geo orbit satellites, part of the cruise ships advertising was how wonderful this was, that the ship was bathed in 5g and passengers were even given free 5g phones.
But the trick is in the peaks of transmission band that is variable, outside of those peaks is less interaction with oxygen.
Thus it is easily turned into a targeted weapon system, which has been perfected for years in war situations and in crowd control.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQbdvvRVynA
Kevin
Hi Kevin,
Thks for your further posts / comments.
If what your telling us is the truth... its amazing what you have learned or discovered..
on what to me would be quite a challenging set of subjects of science and engineering.
Not to mention how you have studied how they maybe going about things.
In ref to some of the things about the virus.. in the early stages I did not really take too much notice like I am sure most of us did not... so although I seem to recall somethings about the Cruise ships... I did not think too much about it or really know what was going on or the main facts.
Now I am going to have to investigate this further ! ???
But it reminds me of the Kingsman Film... where people are given a Free Sim for their Mobile phones.
which are designed to later explode and kill its users..
seems maybe a similar comparision...Now if they are at it this, it is part of their ploy.. along with the Spectre Bond Movie...with can now be seen as possible reality ...
Interesting comparison story Troy / trojon horse V or = s : Covid 19.
This is no doubt one of the issues is its hidden or hard to detect and if created by design with bad intentions..which they can cover up..or continue with varied excuses etc... Majority of us know no different..
but even if we do know.... is it now too late or can anything still be done.
Those who maybe in the know and did want to try to expose it..with a risk to do so.. would need to be able to go about in in some unique clever way...and not risk the wrong exposure ...
or some just may want to avoid it with their associates.. family friends etc if they know its possible.
but can we escape ... or only if one has the money to do so and ways around the system with a place to disappear to.
No doubt there are still some places that would be better than staying in the main major countries..where authority is or could be more rife.
I wonder where the best places would be to have best chance to avoid for the average person.. if such a place exists would be possible to escape to without being rich . Depending upon a persons circumstances..
It would be tempting to disappear for a year or so to weigh up what occurs and also avoid any of the real potential problems that could soon follow...
The main problem we mayhave now is how much time have we got... ?
and WOULD you sell your House of such a thing if you could obtain money to find a way out...
or for eg if you believed that the Stock market was going to crash...this year..
would you sell your house or make such types of committments...to either avoid losses in our assets or property.
because I think I see this as one of those type of situations..
like the recent decline in the markets we just had...
maybe being aware of something that may do and what you believe will do..
is a HUGE commitment to make a judgement on...
(Although some major Stk market Indexs (Nasdaq / S&P500) have recovered quite well in a very fast time so far which I cannot easily believe)... I dont recall ever seeing markets behave as they just have ..If they do continue back up..even to ne highs...could it still even have a 2nd attempt down... or is the reality thing are now better as they maybe suggesting to us in terms of a economic recovery... But you have Low Oil prices... and the concerns of currencies..
which may make it hard to really judge...
If one really believe this to be the threat that is likely to occur...
what plans could you still take if any..
or has the majority now missed the boat ?
They have locked down the country and trying to suggest that you dont sell your house !
but there may still be ways !
How far is one willing to act on this ?
or do we only go along and await to see what fate brings which usually most of us just do !
as things to require too much effort...especially when your older..
or people have just become too set in their ways..and its very hard to break the mode..
as we have all been mind controlled , softened and brainwashed for so long.
Cerberus
In Greek mythology, Cerberus (/ˈsɜːrbərəs/;[2] Greek: Κέρβερος Kérberos [ˈkerberos]), often referred to as the hound of Hades, is a multi-headed dog that guards the gates of the Underworld to prevent the dead from leaving. Cerberus was the offspring of the monsters Echidna and Typhon, and is usually described as having three heads, a serpent for a tail, and snakes protruding from multiple parts of his body. Cerberus is primarily known for his capture by Heracles, one of Heracles' twelve labours.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cerberus
This is from the GENERAL MEDICAL COUNCIL as described in the video...in ref to our rights or non rights during
epidemics..
which the presenter says have VERY recently (April ) been ammended that probably most of us was not aware of.
Im not sure if this is the exact same page or if Ive misjudged it.. but its probably a similar page if one searchs.
I am a bit over tired after trying to catch up on this stuff and may need to get some sleep...
https://www.gmc-uk.org/ethical-guidance/ethical-guidance-for-doctors/confidentiality---disclosing-information-about-serious-communicable-diseases/disclosing-information-about-serious-communicable-diseases
QuoteIn our guidance Confidentiality: good practice in handling patient information we say:
1. Trust is an essential part of the doctor patient relationship and confidentiality is central to this. Patients may avoid seeking medical help, or may under- report symptoms, if they think their personal information will be disclosed by doctors without consent, or without the chance to have some control over the timing or amount of information shared.
17. You must disclose information if it is required by statute, or if you are ordered to do so by a judge or presiding officer of a court.
18. You should satisfy yourself that the disclosure is required by law and you should only disclose information that is relevant to the request. Wherever practicable, you
62.You should ask for a patient's consent to disclose information for the protection of others unless the information is required by law or it is not safe, appropriate or practicable to do so1. You should consider any reasons given for refusal.
64. If it is not practicable or appropriate to seek consent, and in exceptional cases where a patient has refused consent, disclosing personal information may be justified in the public interest if failure to do so may expose others to a risk of death or serious harm. The benefits to an individual or to society of the disclosure must outweigh both the patient's and the public interest in keeping the information confidential.
67. Before deciding whether disclosure would be justified in the public interest you should consider whether it is practicable or appropriate to seek consent (see paragraph 14). You should not ask for consent if you have already decided to disclose information in the public interest but you should tell the patient about your intention to disclose personal information, unless it is not safe or practicable to do so. If the patient objects to the disclosure you should consider any reasons they give for objecting.
68. When deciding whether the public interest in disclosing information outweighs the patient's and the public interest in keeping the information confidential, you must consider:
the potential harm or distress to the patient arising from the disclosure – for example, in terms of their future engagement with treatment and their overall health
the potential harm to trust in doctors generally – for example, if it is widely perceived that doctors will readily disclose information about patients without consent
the potential harm to others (whether to a specific person or people, or to the public more broadly) if the information is not disclosed
the potential benefits to an individual or to society arising from the release of the information
the nature of the information to be disclosed, and any views expressed by the patient
whether the harms can be avoided or benefits gained without breaching the patient's privacy or, if not, what is the minimum intrusion.
If you consider that failure to disclose the information would leave individuals or society exposed to a risk so serious that it outweighs the patient's and the public interest in maintaining confidentiality, you should disclose relevant information promptly to an appropriate person or authority.
About this guidance
2
Confidentiality is important to all patients and all patients are entitled to good standards of care, regardless of what disease they might have, or how they acquired it. Those who have, or may have, a serious communicable disease2 might be particularly concerned about their privacy. This explanatory guidance sets out how the general principles in our guidance Confidentiality apply when doctors are accessing, using or disclosing information about the infection status of patients who have serious communicable diseases.
Protecting information against improper disclosure
3
You should make sure that information you hold or control about a patient's infection status is at all times effectively protected against improper disclosure. If you disclose information about a patient's infection status, you must keep disclosures to the minimum necessary for the purpose.
Control and surveillance of serious communicable diseases
4
You must pass information about notifiable diseases to the relevant authorities for communicable disease control and surveillance. Different diseases are notifiable in different UK countries and the reporting arrangements differ. You should follow the arrangements where you work.3 You should disclose anonymised information if practicable and as long as it will serve the purpose.
Protecting patients from risks posed by your health or your colleagues' health
5
Good medical practice4 says:
28. If you know or suspect that you have a serious condition that you could pass on to patients, or if your judgement or performance could be affected by a condition or its treatment, you must consult a suitably qualified colleague. You must follow their advice about any changes to your practice they consider necessary. You must not rely on your own assessment of the risk to patients.
29. You should be immunised against common serious communicable diseases (unless otherwise contraindicated).
6
You should follow our guidance Raising and acting on concerns about patient safety if you are concerned that a colleague who has a serious communicable disease is practising, or has practised, in a way that puts patients at risk of infection5. You should inform your colleague before passing the information on, as long as it is practicable and safe to do so.
Disclosing information about patients who are diagnosed with a serious communicable disease to those providing direct care
7
Most patients understand and expect that relevant information must be shared within the direct care team to provide their care. If a patient objects to disclosure of personal information that you are convinced is essential to provide them with safe care, you should follow the guidance at paragraphs 30 - 31 of Confidentiality. If the patient does not have capacity to make the decision, you can disclose information if it is in their overall benefit, in line with the guidance at paragraphs 48 - 49 of Confidentiality.
8
If a patient who has been diagnosed with a serious communicable disease refuses to allow you to tell others providing their care about their infection status, and you believe that failing to disclose the information will put healthcare workers or other patients at risk of infection, you should explain to the patient the potential consequences of their decision and consider with the patient whether any compromise can be reached.
9
Like everyone else, healthcare workers are entitled to protection from risks of serious harm. But disclosure of information about a patient's infection status without consent is unlikely to be justified if it would make no difference to the risk of transmission – for example, if the risk is likely to be managed through the use of universal precautions that are already in place.6 If the patient continues to refuse to allow you to tell other members of the healthcare team about their infection status, you must abide by their wishes unless you consider that disclosing the information is necessary to protect healthcare workers or other patients from a risk of death or serious harm.
Disclosing information in response to injuries to colleagues and others
10
If a colleague, police officer or anyone else suffers a needlestick or similar injury involving a patient who has, or may have, a serious communicable disease, you should make sure that a risk assessment is made urgently by an appropriately qualified colleague. Post-exposure prophylaxis should be offered in accordance with that risk assessment, depending on the type of body fluid or substance involved and the route and severity of the exposure.7
11
You should ask for the patient's consent to disclose their infection status after other people have been exposed to a serious communicable disease. If the patient cannot be persuaded to consent to disclosure, or if it is not safe or practicable to ask for their consent, you may disclose information if it is justified in the public interest. This could be, for example, if the information is needed for decisions about the continued appropriateness of post-exposure prophylaxis. You should follow the guidance on disclosing information in the public interest at paragraphs 63 - 70 of Confidentiality.
Informing people at risk of infection from serious communicable disease
12
You should explain to patients who have serious communicable diseases how they can protect others from infection, including from sexually transmitted diseases. This includes the practical measures they can take to avoid transmission, and the importance of informing people with whom they have sexual contact about the risk of sexual transmission of serious communicable diseases.
13
You may disclose information to a person who has close contact with a patient who has a serious communicable disease if you have reason to think that:
the person is at risk of infection that is likely to result in serious harm
the patient has not informed them and cannot be persuaded to do so.
14
If you believe that an adult who is at risk of infection lacks capacity to understand this information, and is at risk of serious harm, you must give relevant information promptly to an appropriate responsible person or authority, unless it is not of overall benefit to the patient to do so (see paragraphs 55 - 56 of Confidentiality).
15
You should tell the patient before you disclose the information if it is practicable and safe to do so. When you are tracing and notifying people, you should not disclose the identity of the patient, if practicable. You must be prepared to justify a decision to disclose personal information without consent.8
Disclosing information when children and young people are at risk of a serious communicable disease
16
Most patients with a serious communicable disease who are parents of, or care for, children will do all they can to protect the children from the risk of infection or the effects of the disease. You should make sure the patient understands the information and advice you give them, which you should tailor to their needs. You should do all you reasonably can to support them in caring for themselves and in protecting their children.
17
You should explain to a patient with a serious communicable disease the importance of testing any children who may already be infected, including children without symptoms and young people who might have been vertically infected with a blood-borne virus.
18
If you are concerned that a child is at risk of serious harm because their parents cannot be persuaded to protect them from the risk of infection, or because they refuse to allow the child to be tested, you should treat it as a safeguarding concern and follow the advice in our guidance Protecting children and young people: the responsibilities of all doctors.9
Recording serious communicable diseases on death certificates
19
If a serious communicable disease has contributed to the cause of death, you must record this on the patient's death certificate.
Quote from: kevin on May 05, 2020, 08:58:23 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6FElWiV3Y0
If You don.'t have vaccine they will force You to have it.
With the ability to take all your possessions and home and destroy it.
Land of the free????
Kevin
astr0144,
With reference to your question of where to ride out this storm as such.
With what our admired armap displays on here and Myself having portuguese friends,
I find the portuguese to be high empathy human beings, with moral and ethics to admire.
Kevin
Quote from: astr0144 on May 09, 2020, 03:05:54 AM
I will try to answer some of your points when I can ... but I know somethings we have discussed before and maybe still
have either not fully convinced each other or more inbred type views that we may still continue to consider even after discussions that we still sometimes tend to state or repeat again . (Some things just being human nature)
I'm not here to convince anyone, I just try to make people understand my point of view (which I, obviously, think is closer to the truth, otherwise I would have preferred a different one), as the thing I hate the most is lies, as people use lies to control other people.
QuoteI think yourself at times go above and beyond the majority in various ways, that most of us will not are are unable to do in valid enough detail.
Thanks. :)
QuoteIn many cases ... the less knowledable or intellegent hope that those who know more and are more knowledgabele and aware.. then it maybe we tend to accept or consider certain things with not always being to judge some things one way or another..or it takes a LOT of time and research and learning to try to make decisions that could be proven..
and I really dont think a large majority of people are able to this...
and maybe its only a set few that can try to judge better on more complex issues...
Everyone can judge about any matter, if they have enough information about it, that's why dictators control access to information, as information really is power.
But, not having the information doesn't mean people aren't intelligent enough to make a decision, it means only that they didn't get as much information as others, so if they can get access to the same information they will be in an equal footing with the others.
QuoteSeveral videos seem to have now disappeared...
(Maybe Youtube or other websites have deleted them or maybe moderators have )
Or the channel owners deleted them, that's also a possibility.
Quoteand my impression was he still did not really go along with the negative comments I made in ref to B.G or accept them.
You're right, I don't go along with the "evil Gates" theory. :)
QuoteDoes he see any evidence to support he indicates an evil agenda taking place ? or does maybe he think what Gates maybe be saying is for the best for us or the public masses ?
I haven't seen any thing that points to a possible evil agenda from on in which Bill Gates takes part.
QuoteMy view is quite often ArMaP wants to see the best or positive views on people or organisations..biz or companys. be it from suggested experts..or Drs / Scientist..politictions and that he maybe does not believe that some could have bad intentions.
I do (for people, organisations are a different thing), because, from what I have seen in my 57 years of living on this planet, most people are good, or at least they are only bad to people they personally know and for who they have something against.
QuoteI think many of us are brought up often to believe most such people should be trusted ...
That's part of the problem, people should be trusted by their actions, not because they had a better life that allowed them to spend more time at school and get a degree or because they appear to be more intelligent than others.
Quotesince being online and looking into things like we discuss on this forum along with Conspiracy websites etc.
I think many of us end up then being flooded with a lot of negative stuff...of which in many cases...eventually I think we just often do start to believe many of them ...
That's the problem with negativity, negative opinions are "louder" than positive, so they grab more people's attentions, and, like someone once said, a lie repeated many times becomes truth (it doesn't, but many people accept it as truth just because it's said many times).
Sometimes, positive opinions are even considered as a sign of weakness, as dismissed.
Another thing, just in the same way we shouldn't accept what someone says just because they are famous/rich/knowledgeable in one or more areas/whatever, we also shouldn't be automatically against that person.
QuoteAs things have changed so much since say WW 2 ... technology wise... things are quite incredible..
but how much better off are the majority when we see the way that the employment situation has become.
and how technology has probably take away more jobs than its created at least so far.
and we have an ageing population...that they claim is causing so many problems...
if it is down to economics and money... then who knows what the Doctors and Scientist may now have to consider.
and what may or may not do or inform us about.
As you said above, we (the so called Western countries) have an ageing population, result of better life conditions leading to a longer life. So, if we have an ageing, non productive population, why would the government/whoever wanted to reduce the population in those countries? If they reduce the population then they will gather less taxes, and, for those that really are only looking for power over people will have less people to control.
That's why I think the idea of population reduction in "Western countries" doesn't make sense, and I also have yet to see an explanation for it that makes sense.
QuoteThe way I see it... We all in some way or other are controlled by someone who is either superior to us..be it cleverer, stronger.. more knowledgable, richer etc...
and we are all at differing levels..
Only because we think they are above us. They really aren't. :)
QuoteAt School if I recall.... when they have what we called Grammer Schools and an 11 plus exam at age of 11..
Those who passed the 11 plus went to grammer School and and often became the leaders...but only 25 % pass to do so.
Then above this level there are other schools.. that the clever can be given the chance to do another exam that is a higher level and so on.
So those people .. generally do better in Life, get the better jobs and deal with life better and MAYBE easier at to a set degree... (BUT also do more difficult things that the majority can NOT do..)
Being able to continuing studying until getting a degree (for example) is not a sign that they are better than the rest, it's only a sign that they were able to do it while others were not.
For example, my elder sister was a secondary school teacher some years ago, and in one school there were students from a poor area, one of them had serious troubles learning because she was almost always drunk (she was 13 or 14, something like that), because in her home they didn't have money to buy enough food. How can someone in those conditions, even if intelligent, finish school and get a degree? Everything was against her. Also, it's a known fact that lacking good nutrition while growing up prevents people from reaching full development, both physical and mental, so people from poor backgrounds have always trouble in school and, because of that, cannot get high paying jobs and their families keep on living on conditions that do not allow them to get out of the vicious circle.
[/quote]I also have to ask ArMaP and others who may still question it...
Have many who has been on this thread... had any change of views on 5 G and Kevs 60 HZ theories ?[/quote]
No, none, as I haven't seen any verifiable evidence of what is being proposed, while it's a fact that 60 GHz frequencies have been in use for several decades.
QuoteSo I am trying to find out if others may have made alternative views on he theory ?
He's theory as an alternative view of what is being presented by what we are seeing: a pandemic created by a virus that was already seen, photographed, filmed and studied by many people.
QuoteI also have to ask ArMaP and others who may still question it...
Have many who has been on this thread... had any change of views on 5 G and Kevs 60 HZ theories ?
I believe there is an agenda of some sort being taken advantage of, maybe not so much planned from the start. I still do not believe this has anything to do with 5G... HOWEVER I do think 5G will certainly be used for nefarious purposes and that they do pose a health risk to some people but I don't believe it has anything to do with this virus. From what I have been reading 5G can cause much different symptoms than what we are seeing from the virus. There is definitely some coincidental symptoms that seem to be enough of a convincing factor to some people. Still waiting for the proof.
Quote from: astr0144 on May 09, 2020, 05:16:37 AM
How serious is his channel to the authorities... No doubt .. Quite severe !
I think it's irrelevant, as it's just another guy with videos on the Internet. If the authorities wanted to "take care of him" it would be easy to fake a paedophilia case against him and have him discredited and locked for a few years.
QuoteThen my initial thoughts on it was Gates comments did seem quite threatening to us all.
and he was seeming to be acting like Big brother and dictating to us what we can and cannot do.or what may be..
It's easy to edit a video to make it look like what we want it to, that's why I prefer to look at the original sources.
QuoteNow in my opinion... he could have said some of this in a much toned down way to put his points across and not seemed like the school bully.
That to me does make me think hes a threat !
Do you mean he was talking in the same way Alex Jones talks, as if shouting makes it truth? ;)
QuoteIf either Alex Jones or Bill Gates is misleading us ... what are the consequencies ?
I don't know about Bill Gates, as he talks of what can be done, but I do think Alex Jones is misleading people with the things he says and how he says them.
QuoteWho do we trust ? and whos view or is there alternatives ?
I surely don't trust a snake oil salesman like Alex Jones, and I don't trust Bill Gates when he talks about things he cannot control.
QuoteIn other words is this a way to give us the best acceptable excuse ?
But is it really the best most effective way ?
Of course not, killing 300,000 people in whole world is nothing, malaria kills around 400,000 every year and nobody cares.
QuoteHow quick is it aimed to occur and to what depth ? How severe ? what % of population .
0.004% of the world's population has died from CoViD-19 until today.
Quoteso if the virus is not genuine ..was this created in advance or how how much may they have already been doing in other ways.... How do we know they have not been killing people in Hospitals in other ways for some years or messing with
peoples other medications ?
People usually have families and friends, how many do you know that have had a strange death?
QuoteThe Food and drink theories have occurred Since A. Jones early days..but that seems a slower life shortening method..
rather than a quicker kill..
That's what he says to sell that food stuff he is constantly promoting.
PS: see if this is the missing video
https://www.bitchute.com/video/CqCnABV38omI/
Quote from: kevin on May 09, 2020, 08:58:01 AM
Fast forward to the here and now, and view these scum bags some call elites as the potential invaders and killers of humanity.
They have tried and tried for years to reduce the worlds population with all kinds of attacks, but our inbuilt DEFENSE ( immune) system has repelled all efforts.
Why have they tried to reduced the world's population and why would they do it to the population of the richer countries, the ones using 5G?
QuoteThe deaths are not tested, and the hospitals financially rewarded for declaring death to covid just on symptons.
Once again, where is the proof of what you are saying? You are making serious accusations here, so I think you better show some evidence of what you are saying.
Quote from: kevin on May 09, 2020, 09:23:03 AM
The cruise ships were fitted with Medallion net, they are the big white balls on top of the ships, and they are operating with both the medium orbit satellites and the fixed geo orbit satellites, part of the cruise ships advertising was how wonderful this was, that the ship was bathed in 5g and passengers were even given free 5g phones.
I can only find two cruise ships with CoViD-19 cases, "Diamond Princess" and "MS Zaandam". "Diamond Princess" had 712 cases and 13 deaths, "MS Zaandam" had 9 cases and 2 deaths.
Quote from: astr0144 on May 09, 2020, 10:29:18 AM
This is from the GENERAL MEDICAL COUNCIL as described in the video...in ref to our rights or non rights during
epidemics..
which the presenter says have VERY recently (April ) been ammended that probably most of us was not aware of.
I looked for the laws he was talking about and the only April amendment I found wasn't related to what he said. Unfortunately, I didn't kept the link, so I'll have a look to the one you posted.
Quote from: kevin on May 09, 2020, 11:36:38 AM
astr0144,
With reference to your question of where to ride out this storm as such.
With what our admired armap displays on here and Myself having portuguese friends,
I find the portuguese to be high empathy human beings, with moral and ethics to admire.
Kevin
Thanks. :)
OK, some questions:
1 - Why would the so called elites want to kill people in the richer countries? You know, those basic questions they ask in detective stories: who, what, where, when, why. We supposedly know the "who" (more or less, as "the elite" is not really known), the "what", the "where" and the "when", but we don't know the most important, the "why", the reason behind it all.
2 - If they want to kill people, why use 5G, that is almost not in use today, to kill people?
3 - If they are using 60 GHz radio from satellites, why are they using a frequency that has a huge atmospheric attenuation?
4 - If they are using 60 GHz radio, that only affects the superficial layer of the skin, how does that affect the whole body?
This is for ArMap.
I hope it makes You laugh as much as it did Me.
Don't feed the beast.
https://sharechecklist.gov.uk/
Kevin
I appreciate your reply and thoughts E113..
I was aware that you took some initial interest and was researching further into this.
I will try to look into further things on it. that I am still curious about...
but its good to get members initial thoughts if they took some time to look into it in some detail.
It is however appearing quite a complex topic that I think needs some researchers who either have a fair interest or some past / prior knowledge of certain aspects of it.
Quote from: Ellirium113 on May 09, 2020, 05:28:29 PM
I believe there is an agenda of some sort being taken advantage of, maybe not so much planned from the start. I still do not believe this has anything to do with 5G... HOWEVER I do think 5G will certainly be used for nefarious purposes and that they do pose a health risk to some people but I don't believe it has anything to do with this virus. From what I have been reading 5G can cause much different symptoms than what we are seeing from the virus. There is definitely some coincidental symptoms that seem to be enough of a convincing factor to some people. Still waiting for the proof.
Nice find ArMaP.
To me at the moment this is one of the most serious issues we all need to consider & really try to check details indepth on all this ?
This is what I said originally incase you read it see brackets below but not sure its still valid..
since I initally posted I have since managed to find Bill Gates clip... its in the 1st two minutes..
starts around the 1 min (56 secs ) mark to about 2 mins mark.
seems he was being interviewed on some news program...
(I wonder which one.... FTs wrote on the screen ..Financial Times maybe )
need to pick out the bones out of this maybe that I managed to find ...
Done recently on April 9th .2020 ...
On a Quick browse.. I cannot see any ref in the transcript to what we see on AJs video ?
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This is the lightly edited transcript of a conversation between Bill Gates, co-chair of the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation, and the FT's Vanessa Kortekaas, which took place on April 2, via Skype.
FINANCIAL TIMES: So I want to start by going back in time to five years ago. As many people know, you warned that the greatest risk of global catastrophe wasn't a war, but a highly infectious virus. Why didn't anybody listen? And if some people did, what was done to prepare for the pandemic that exists now?
BILL GATES: Well, not enough was done. A system wasn't built. We didn't really do the number of simulations to try and figure out, OK, how are we going to connect up the diagnostics? How are we going to get the vaccine going? There were some investments. For example, our foundation, Wellcome Trust and a number of governments created Cepi (the Coalition for Epidemic Preparedness Innovation), which is about making vaccine platforms that are ready when we get surprised to manufacture a new vaccine faster than has been done in the past.
So some work was done but, in retrospect, the saddest thing is to be able to say yes, that was right. But the whole point of the speech was to drive the research and the planning and the simulation which would have allowed us to stop this at a very early stage.
FT: And in terms of the global response now, many countries, including the UK and the US, have been criticised for not doing enough testing and not doing it fast enough. What is your assessment of the global response so far and, specifically, of President Trump's response to this crisis in the US?
BG: Well, I'm sure there'll be plenty of time, once we're on top of this, to look at before the epidemic hit, what more could have been done, when the epidemic hit. I don't think any country has a perfect record. Taiwan comes close.
They really were talking about it, and it's unfortunate they weren't part of the WHO (World Health Organization) to really get those warnings paid attention to. Most countries didn't see it as [becoming] as big a problem as it's ended up being. And of course, when you have exponential growth, that means if you miss, you know, three doubling times, it's eight times as big and much, much harder to get under control.
So a few countries, particularly those that have the experience of dealing with Mers or Sars, they were the fastest to respond. South Korea is an example of that. China, which had a lot of cases, now is in a very different state where they are able to get most people going back to school and back to work. And so there's lessons about, what did they do to drop the numbers? And what are they doing to avoid a rebound? Because until we get a vaccine that we've given to a high percentage of the global population, we will be at risk of rebound.
FT: And what would you say is the single most important thing that needs to happen now? The World Health Organization has said test, test, test. Is testing the key here? Or what about, for example, the role of technology? We've seen some Asian countries use technology to spread information so quickly, which has helped them fight the virus. What do you think is the single most important thing that has to happen right now?
BG: Well, testing is what guides you to see, do you need to do more social isolation, or have you gotten to a point where you can start to open up a bit? It can't just be numbers of tests though. You have to have the results coming back in less than 24 hours, and you have to prioritise who gets tested. The demand for tests exceeds supply in every country. And some countries really stepped in, like South Korea, and made sure the right people were being tested. They have a unified system that could look at the individual cases and weigh the criteria.
The US does not have that. We have so many different companies, labs. And most of tests go in without any criterion. And so now we have these backlogs that really devalue what can be done with those tests. So the fact that the numbers have gone up doesn't mean that we're doing this well at all.
That is still ahead of us to get organised on prioritising properly. So your contacts, if you test positive here, before they become infectious, that they need to isolate. The PCR test is sensitive enough to catch it even before you'll have symptoms. And that's the ideal case — where you don't go on to infect anyone else, which is the key to bringing those numbers down.
So today, the appropriate testing and isolation are the primary tactics. In the mid-term, getting some drugs that will reduce the hospitalisation and death rate, that will be very important. And the ultimate solution is a highly effective, safe vaccine. But getting billions of doses is hard. And our foundation works in all of those areas.
We're providing funding even now in parallel to scale up the manufacturing of the most promising vaccines — way more than we will end up picking. Because even though that's a few billion dollars of manufacturing capacity, the fact that it will be ready because we do it in parallel, that anything that cuts a month off of the time until we vaccinate is worth literally hundreds of billions, if not trillions.
FT: And can you just briefly expand more on that investment. So as you say, your foundation has announced $100m investment to go towards this global response. Can you just outline some of the areas where that's going to?
BG: Yeah, a lot of that's going to help the capacity in the developing worlds step up. Some actually helped China with the early response. Some is now helping in Europe and the US. We think a lot about the developing countries. And they have the biggest challenge because the social isolation is much harder for them. Just getting the food supply to work reliably — the distance, when you live in [an] urban slum area, you're not going to be able to be quite as separated as would be ideal there.
So those countries, even though their numbers are quite small today, sadly, it's very likely that many of those countries won't be able to contain it unlike, say China, which is at point 0.01 per cent, or some of the other countries. A lot of the rich countries should be able to keep it to a few per cent infected. These countries, many of them will experience a widespread epidemic so that, over time, the majority of their people are infected. And that will lead to hospital overloading, deaths from other conditions, and very substantial burden for those countries.
FT: And let's talk more about that big picture then for the developing world. We're at this point, it seems like quite a scary point, where, as you say, the virus is just starting to spread in developing countries. We know it's already spread throughout Africa, but hasn't quite taken off yet. How big of an impact do you think it will have in terms of deaths and the number of infections? And how worried are you about the ability of developing countries to fight this?
BG: We could get lucky, and there could be something about [the] weather that means that some countries have lower force of infection — we don't know that. Our assumption has to be, because we are seeing in some southern hemisphere places like Australia, quite a bit of infection, that it's not dramatically seasonal and that it's just gotten started slower in Africa. I hope something shows up that changes that.
It's very easy to say this disease has about a 1 per cent case fatality rate. And when you overload your hospitals you can get up to 2-3 per cent rate. Now, then again, Africa has a younger population, so that brings your numbers down. But the comorbidities in terms of smoke inhalation, both indoor and outdoor, TB, HIV, malnutrition, those are much higher there. And so you'd have quite a bit of uncertainty. But it's not impossible that you'd see [a] 2 per cent overall death rate, which is a horrific situation, potentially, even worse, as you have panic and other healthcare is very disrupted.
FT: You mentioned the difficulty of self-isolation. Is the whole lockdown approach that we see in developed countries, is that doomed to fail in developing countries because for some people it's just not practical? If they have to go outside to collect food or sell goods for their livelihood or, as you say, if they live in cramped conditions or slums, how can that possibly work?
BG: It's a super good question. Many of the developing countries are going to do their best on this. So India is doing it. Now, it's early days. They have to figure out — do food delivery people, are they allowed to still do their jobs or not? So these things are tricky to put into place the exact, you know, what is essential? Can you go out and walk your dog, or which businesses should be there? And the US didn't do much practice thinking about this. So we're figuring it out.
For the developing countries, I'd say it's definitely worth trying to flatten the curve. But the likelihood that you'll be successful and only have a few per cent infected — somewhere as you go down level of income, particularly in those urban slum areas — I worry that it will not be effective. But even if it delays and spreads things out, the number of health workers who get infected, the overload of the medical system, there is value to it in terms of the speed of which the infection gets into the broad population.
FT: You've said you're an optimist. And the world could use some good news or at least some hope. Is there reason to be optimistic about the ability of these poorer countries to fight this crisis, to fight the virus? Where are the pockets of hope?
BG: Well, the rural areas, the force of infection should be reduced particularly if people understand about the mixing. Although, right now, you have people leaving urban areas going back to the rural areas, so it won't be zero. We will get a vaccine. And the role of our foundation is to make sure that medicines like this are available to the entire world. We have partners like Gavi who will help us with that distribution. I'm sure governments will step up on this.
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And so over the next couple of years, hopefully in 18 months, we'll get that vaccine, and things can be so you're not completely changing the economy because of coronavirus. And economies can come back. As painful as this is, as unprecedented as it is, the deaths, those you can't reverse. And so right now, people are scared. People are doing less economically.
Governments are trying to make sure that's a lot of people, so that the case infection rate goes to below 1 [per cent]. But yes, eventually, these tools — hopefully one of the platforms we've been investing in, actually for a decade, like the RNA vaccines — those are the most flexible and easiest to ramp up. So we're hoping that that's the way we get to the vaccine that gets us out of this terrible problem.
FT: And I want to talk more about the vaccine in a minute. But in terms of the obligation that rich countries have to help poor countries — rich countries are struggling to support their own citizens through this crisis. So what is the obligation that rich countries have to help the developing world?
BG: Well, that's always a question. There are countries that spend more than 0.7 per cent of GDP in regular times helping the poorest get things like measles vaccines and greatly uplift their countries so that they're stable and participating in the world economy. The UK is a generous donor, Sweden, Norway. Germany has become a lot more generous.
And so you can see that ranking there. I do think, despite the fact that you've got huge domestic problems and huge economic problems, you know that idea that you can keep that 0.7 per cent or even go up as much as a factor or two above that — because the impact of those dollars on helping things not completely deteriorate, helping hold things together, helping accelerate that vaccine manufacturer — I think the case on that will be compelling. But everybody's dealing with an immense number of priorities.
Then, again, they've decided to not operate under the normal fiscal constraints. And so the idea of, say, tens of billions helping buy those vaccines and get that manufacturing — it used to be in the aid game, that was a very, very big number. Now, when you're talking about making it easier to not have infection coming back into your country, you can make both a humanitarian and a self-interested argument that even a few per cent [of GDP] going against that for the rich countries would be a wise investment.
FT: Do you think this is the most concerted global effort ever to find a vaccine? And could we see one before 18 months' time?
BG: If everything went perfectly with the RNA vaccines — the Moderna is already in a human trial. You could do a little better than that. But remember, we're talking about making billions of doses. And even just to have the glass vials, the pill, finish the distribution, 18 months would be . . . a lot has to go well — not everything — to hit that. There are many constructs being worked on.
The experienced vaccine companies bring a lot to this because understanding safety and efficacy and how you go through the trials — so we need some new ones, which, for the people we're backing are RNA/DNA. And then there's four others that are more conventional, sure to work but [with] slightly longer schedules. And we have to fund the science, the testing, and the manufacturing capacity of all of those over at least seven or eight. We need to be ready to go once you have safety and efficacy.
FT: And what responsibility do you think national governments, philanthropies, and the private sector have to co-operate in order to find these solutions? And where do tech companies fit in this picture?
BG: Well, the deep expertise of making vaccines is some at the academic level, government research level, but a lot, particularly in safety and manufacturing, is in the private sector. And the government's not used to figuring out, OK, who's good at what, and what's the right way to do that? Our foundation plays a role there because we're funding the invention of vaccines and the scale-up and low-cost vaccines. That's what we're doing all the time to reduce deaths in the poor countries.
And so [the] private sector is very important. But the overall template has to come from government. And government here, where it doesn't know who can make ventilators or how testing gets overly backlogged, that is a big challenge. We don't have . . . we didn't practise at all for what we're going through here. And even, you know, who's responsible, and is that somebody who actually has the right domain knowledge? That's not totally clear as we try to move through this.
There are people like Dr [Anthony] Fauci, who brings a scientific, data-driven view to these things. And so it's great that he's in a strong position. He and I have talked a lot about how we get all the different actors, including the US government, our foundation partners, like IHME and Gavi and various of the companies that will be key to this, bring them together.
The tech companies don't make vaccines. But they can do a lot to let people still connect together. They can do a lot to let us look at the data and have deep insights into that. All these articles are being published. And so Microsoft and many others are letting you navigate that information in a very rich way. And so they'll step up. Believe me, anything I'm calling a private company [for] that's clear, well-defined, and they know, if I'm calling, it's likely to really make a difference.
They all say yes to these things. This is so top-of-mind. We've got the entire economy shut down. So everybody's trying to pitch in. Co-ordinating that when a lot of people don't understand, OK, which tests are the most important, or which information is, it's a bit difficult. And so key people at the foundation are working night and day to try and pull these resources together. But when we have asks for these people, they are dying to help out.
FT: And what about that trade-off? You just mentioned, obviously, the economic pain. What do you think the right balance is between the trade-off of protecting people's lives and the economic hit? Do you see a situation where the global economy could be virtually at a standstill for a year or even more?
BG: Well, it won't go to zero, but it will shrink. Global GDP is going to take probably the biggest hit ever. Maybe the Depression was worse or 1873, I don't know. But in my lifetime this will be the greatest economic hit. But you don't have a choice. People act like you have a choice. People don't feel like going to the stadium when they might get infected. You know, it's not the government who's saying OK, just ignore this disease, and people are deeply affected by seeing these deaths, by knowing they could be part of the transmission chain, and old people, their parents, their grandparents could be affected by this.
And so you don't get to say, ignore what's going on here. There will be the ability, particularly in rich countries, to open up if things are done well over the next few months. But for the world at large, normalcy only returns when we've largely vaccinated the entire global population. And so although there's a lot of work on testing, a lot of work on drugs that we're involved with, trying to achieve that ambitious goal, which has never been done for the vaccine, that rises to the top of the list.
FT: Once this pandemic, once we find solutions to this, looking far ahead into the future, do you think that people will just return to a sort of a short-termism view where we're too focused on economic gain to invest properly and prepare properly for another once-in-a-century pandemic? And what is your message right now to world leaders and global policymakers to avoid the world being caught off guard again?
BG: Well, there's no doubt, having paid many trillions of dollars more than we might have had to if we'd been properly ready, people will, this time, because it affected the rich countries. This is the biggest event that people will experience in their entire lives. We will have standby diagnostics. We will have deep antiviral libraries. We will have antibodies scale up. We will have vaccine platforms. We will have early warning systems. We will do germ games.
The cost of doing all those things well is very small compared to what we're going through here. And so now people realise, OK, there really is a meaningful probability every 20 years or so with lots of world travel that one of these [viruses] will come along. And so the citizens expect the government to make it a priority. It won't cost as much as the defence budget, say, but it will be a meaningful investment. Some of those investments will help medical work in other areas. A vaccine platform, cheap, fast diagnostics — these are not things that are only valuable for an epidemic.
FT: So you're confident then that lessons will be learned from this experience and that the pain, both in terms of the loss of life and the economic hit, will be bad enough to make people prepare for next time?
BG: Yes, but it shouldn't have required a many trillions of dollars loss to get there. I remember when I put up this slide in that [TED] talk. And I showed that it was trillions of dollars. I felt like, wow, that is so gigantic. Why are people saying $10, $20, $30 billion, which, in a government budget sense, is almost nothing — but yes, this time, we've been whacked on the head here at home, people we know. The science is there. Countries will step forward.
FT: Bill Gates, thank you for your time.
BG: Thank you.
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in the final seconds...around 1 min 50sec)
GATES appears to be saying... people think that they have a choice... and they DO NOT !
and that people think its the Govt telling them...(A . Jones Chips in and says "Oh Really" ! ) 1 min 13 secs
and
he says things may get back to normal when we have largly vaccinated the
World population..
NOW that does not seem edited to me ...
If you think it is... in what way would you suggest ?
A.J chips in as hes speaking at one point admittedly edited..
but is Gates content actually edited ? I dont thnk so...
IF not I still do NOT see reason to Question Alex Jones on him making such an issue with this..
Unless what Gates is saying is as genuine as he makes out..and his vaccines will be the good for us.
But How can we know that until we are given them ? Would we want to risk it ? Would you ?
If its Not edited..
I still find that VERY VERY concerning !!! :o ???
Gates makes ref to trying to take certain precautions and the elderly etc... that can be seen as reasonable advice..
which we are now aware about ..
but he still seem to be someone of authority as his BUSINESS in Vaccinations , ploying to vaccinate a large majorty of us ?
we know hes the
Bill and Milinda Gates foundation do we not ?
Would you still not Agree ?
At the moment I still think Alex Jones is right on what hes saying..
The question for me is also... What real evidence has A.J got that Gates has in some ways been killing people with
his vaccines.. other than maybe those from the 3rd World..
Has he got evidence of 1st world deaths on a reasonable scale ? in which we can agree with him with more certainty.
Quote(Astr0) Then my initial thoughts on it was Gates comments did seem quite threatening to us all.
and he was seeming to be acting like Big brother and dictating to us what we can and cannot do.or what may be..
ArMaP
It's easy to edit a video to make it look like what we want it to, that's why I prefer to look at the original sources.
(For some reason when the videos were on A.Js recent banned channel (that was taken down) I was not able to watch it
on my Laptop. that usually has worked ok for other website onlin vids on the browsers I have (FF / GC)
but I was able to watch it on a Mobile phone.
In ref to the bitchute one you posted..I still cant get it to play on FF.. butI can just about get it to play on GC...but I cannot seem to easily get it to play when I move or slide the play bar below to try to scan for the area I am looking for..
So at the moment I cannot seem to find the Bill Gates part that I thought was in the 1st 5 mins..and I think I have gone thru parts of the 1st 5 mins..
so I wondering if I made a mistake and it was on another video that was on AJs pre banned channel.
Ill try and work on it as I need to analyse it a bit more and also look at some other Bill Gates vids that Kev posted.
Id not really thought that the vids maybe false edited ....and Id be doubtful myself that they are at this stage..
although I do accept it could be...)
ArMaP
Quote
PS: see if this is the missing video
https://www.bitchute.com/video/CqCnABV38omI/
Unfortunately I dont think the part I posted was exactly the same one that the video referred to.. but I believe its somewhere on that website...
I need to try to clarify the details more. when I can
Ill try to answer other points later ...
Quote
I looked for the laws he was talking about and the only April amendment I found wasn't related to what he said. Unfortunately, I didn't kept the link, so I'll have a look to the one you posted.
Quote from: ArMaP on May 09, 2020, 07:05:27 PM
OK, some questions:
1 - Why would the so called elites want to kill people in the richer countries? You know, those basic questions they ask in detective stories: who, what, where, when, why. We supposedly know the "who" (more or less, as "the elite" is not really known), the "what", the "where" and the "when", but we don't know the most important, the "why", the reason behind it all.
2 - If they want to kill people, why use 5G, that is almost not in use today, to kill people?
3 - If they are using 60 GHz radio from satellites, why are they using a frequency that has a huge atmospheric attenuation?
4 - If they are using 60 GHz radio, that only affects the superficial layer of the skin, how does that affect the whole body?
!, to gain the support and acceptance of the people for the desired agenda.
As an example ....demolish some towers, blame someone, the people demand You "Go get em"
CRS...cause reaction solution.
2 I have covered that with the trojan horse, it is to enable sufficient fear to implement your agenda.
3.Watch the weather, only use it when the sky is clear.
4 You are not researching correctly, the skin layer is affected by different frequencies that is utilised in crowd control.
60 ghz reacts with iron, and it is irons ability to enable oxygen absorption that is causing the CONDITION been blamed on the virus.
these are well thought out war stratergies with lots of distractions such as some cruise ships not been targeted and thus been used as an example to deflect attention from 60 ghz.
Don't feed the beast, only BELIEVE what the state tells you.
Kevin
Quote from: kevin on May 09, 2020, 07:50:07 PM
!, to gain the support and acceptance of the people for the desired agenda.
As an example ....demolish some towers, blame someone, the people demand You "Go get em"
CRS...cause reaction solution.
And that agenda is...
Quote2 I have covered that with the trojan horse, it is to enable sufficient fear to implement your agenda.
That's not an answer to my question, I asked why use something that is almost not in use today, as most programmed 5G systems are still being built. Wouldn't it work better with something alread widespread?
Quote3.Watch the weather, only use it when the sky is clear.
60 GHz radio is absorbed by O2 molecules in the air, even in clear, dry weather it has a higher attenuation than other frequencies.
QuoteHowever, it is maximum at a few specific absorption lines, mainly those of oxygen at 60 GHz and water vapor at 24 GHz and 184 GHz.
Source (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extremely_high_frequency#Propagation)
Quote4 You are not researching correctly, the skin layer is affected by different frequencies that is utilised in crowd control.
Your'e right, crowd control systems use 95 GHz, not 60 GHz.
Quote60 ghz reacts with iron, and it is irons ability to enable oxygen absorption that is causing the CONDITION been blamed on the virus.
Proof, please. ;)
Quotethese are well thought out war stratergies with lots of distractions such as some cruise ships not been targeted and thus been used as an example to deflect attention from 60 ghz.
Well, they look nothing like well thought out war strategies, as a well thought out strategy would be picked out by conspiracy theorists that would publish their theories on the Internet.
A well thought out strategy would have all the people on their side.
QuoteDon't feed the beast, only BELIEVE what the state tells you.
You see, in a well thought out strategy they wouldn't need to tell people to believe only in the official version, people would ignore the alternative theories on their own.
ArMap,
Much respected one.
Only believe what the states tell You, don't listen to anything else.
Haemoglobin has four iron atoms.
Oxygen binds with these ( think in terms of magnetics, with polarities attracting or repelling)
60 ghz alters the spin of the orbital electrons of oxygen, thus it isn't absorbed by the haemoglobin.
This will result in a condition.....almost exactly that which is been called by a virus.
You will need to research into magnetic biology, or as I recommended Royal Raymond Rife.
But trust Your state, only listen to what they are telling You, all else is by crazy crackpots.
Kevin
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/government-cracks-down-on-spread-of-false-coronavirus-information-online
Kevin
https://www.ucsfhealth.org/education/hemoglobin-and-functions-of-iron
Kevin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fz5z126qliY&feature=emb_logo&fbclid=IwAR2kSKgtxIexvlLnbV-6jmgAbBd8toPWBa-NCXiWkEiy5ggeJa8-bqw8Xxg
Please remember to believe only what the states tell you.
That man is not suggesting that the Italian state have lied about the death figures ..is He??//
No the state never tells lies.
Kevin
I have watched some more of the Alex Jones Video.
BILL GATES ANNOUNCES WORLD GOVERNMENT WILL FORCIBLY INOCULATE ENTIRE PLANET - FULL SHOW 5/6/20
https://www.bitchute.com/video/CqCnABV38omI/
There was some more of the Gates Interview/s.(3 off)..from about 25 mins mark onwards. / 30 min and past 40 mins 56 secs..mark At about the 38 min mark.... A.J shows Gates smiling when discussing the death rates, effect on economy etc..
unless it was fake edited as it shows two people (Interviewr and BG ) from seperate areas in two screens together..
which could be possible... unless someone else can prove it is for real...which if so is further concerning...
but no doubt A.J could just be making an issue of it and maybe Gates is smiling for some other point of his view or thought process at the time...if he disagreed or believed things were not being said as he considers things...
but Around the 2hr 15 min mark
He says that Gates under the control of the Elites, Rothchilds, those attend Bilderberg etc
Have planned this to destroy Donald Trump leading up to the US Election ...I would not disagree with this ! and suspect it could be the major issues behind it...
May not need to say too much on th subject if this is the case as it explains a lot..
even thou thinking about it now it may seem more obvious ..
I surpose their could be others reasons that are nothing to do with whos in Power..
and we never really know for sure if its all put on or if Trump be involved..
But I would be doubtful that he is ! I think Trump seemed quite legit and more trust worthy... other than
if it turns out he slipped up on be too slow to act on Cv 19 issue if it does tunr out to be a case situation.
Then Unfortunately many will see that as his main failing..
On the video it talks about how Sweden did NOT lock down and the death rates have not been any where near the predictions .... even thou its population differs... proportionally it suggests its not the real threat that they are making out..
see 1 hr 38 mark PJ Watson
Coronavirus (COVID-19) statistics
Sweden cases
Updated 10 May at 13:58 local
Confirmed
26,322
+401
Deaths
3,225
+5
Recovered
4,971
The demography of Sweden is monitored by Statistics Sweden (SCB). As of August 2018, the population of
Sweden was estimated to be 10.2 million people, making it the 90th most populous country in the world.
This article makes an issue of it ...which maybe valid because the Uk has about a population about 6 times higher
about 66 million and recently past the 31,000 Covid 19 deaths..
Coronavirus (COVID-19) statistics
United Kingdom cases
Updated 10 May at 14:18 local
Confirmed
215,260
+3,896
Deaths
31,587
+346
Recovered
1,918
So Maybe A.J has got his facts mixed up on that...
but maybe we have to ask if 26,000 deaths for 10 Mill population if they did not have a lock down..is anything
to really be concerned about in comparision as to whats going on or occurred so far ?
https://www.newsweek.com/sweden-coronavirus-deaths-children-lockdown-1502548
Why Sweden is not in Lockdown.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1262325/sweden-coronavirus-strategy-why-is-sweden-not-in-lockdown
It seems Bill Gates has the LARGEST Private foundation in the World...But is that Bigger than any Heath Authority organisation... or World heath Organisation that Alex Jones /Paul J Watson refers to as having made a LOT of mistakes which seemed diliberate in ref to this virus.
Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation
QuoteThe Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation (BMGF), previously the William H. Gates Foundation, is an American private foundation founded by Bill and Melinda Gates. Based in Seattle, Washington, it was launched in 2000 and is reported to be the largest private foundation in the world,[4] holding $46.8 billion in assets.[3]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_%26_Melinda_Gates_Foundation
Paul J Watson says he does not believe in the 5 G theory and takes the mic out of it.. about the 1 hr 21 min mark.
but have had any suggested experts discuss it on their show .. I dont know. as they usually interview experts of some sort...
In the AJ video I referred to in my prior post.
At around the 2 hr 13 mark onwards. it shows what maybe some hoaxs in this Covid 19 topic.
At 2 hrs 16.53
One of A.Js guest John Rappoport (Nomorefakenews.com )goes on to speak how the whole death rates from Covid 19 could easily have been faked...and that those who believed that they had it and went to hospital were told that they had the virus.. when it may not really exist...
BUT that were then helped to die thru some various things (and other means ) that we believe we are seeing in a discreet way in order to make us believe they died of the virus.
If so .. who were the so called Doctors and Staff...involved...
and are some of them Murderers on instruction from whoever has designed this ???
In such a case ... some how they would have had to have what seemed like leading Drs.. (who are in on the hoax)
who in turn does the killings and controls those around him and manages to cover up as to how they kill off the patients.
That would seem very hard to believe..BUT Id would wonder if its possible ?
John says that the World heath Organisation that you would think is either Govt control or funded by public taxes etc
that its also funded by Gates..where a Professor Neil Furguson a scientist computer modeller creates the plan.
whos the Prof Lockdown who has been sacked for being found visiting his Girl friend.. or has he ??
are we just led to believe this..
would you sack some main Professor for such a thing in reality ??? surely Not !
He had suggested that 100 000 or million could die this year
Hes been involved in some past similar predictions , huge cattle deaths with mad cow disease, bird flue ,swine flue etc
that I think John suggests was also a hoax..and that he a poor track record and yet he was in charge of such past MAJOR concerns...and what ever that says... no one can dispute it ...
QuoteProfessor Neil Ferguson, and the idiot presidents and prime ministers who believe his computer predictions
May
4
Nothing is riding on this except the immediate future of the human race
Ferguson used old failed model to predict COVID deaths
by Jon Rappoport
May 4, 2020
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Buying, for the moment, the official story about the "pandemic," there were two basic choices:
Let people go about their lives and develop, through contact, natural immunity to the disease; or imprison populations in their homes.
Why was the second choice made?
This is my second article about Neil Ferguson (first article, here), the UK professor whose computer model of COVID-19 changed the world and drove that second choice.
Ferguson's model predicted a worst-case estimate of 510,000 deaths in the UK, and 2.2 million deaths in the US.
At that point, anybody who was anybody stood up and saluted.
Both heads of government, Trump and Johnson, radically changed course. Instead of allowing people to go about their lives and develop natural immunity, they took the lockdown approach, devastating their economies.
Below, I'll reprint quotes from my first article, exposing Professor Ferguson's track record of abysmal and destructive failures in predicting the spread of diseases.
This record was available to anyone—including Trump, Fauci, Deborah Birx, Boris Johnson—but of course these important people have no time to read or think.
Apparently, a key White house conversation went something like this:
FAUCI: Mr. President, we have a new report from the UK. A computer model is predicting the spread of the epidemic. There could be 2 million deaths in the US, if we don't take drastic action. There must be heavy lockdowns. The state governors will have to carry that ball, but your position on this needs to be unequivocal.
TRUMP: Two million deaths. You're sure?
FAUCI: Yes, sir. Quite sure.
TRUMP: No way out? Except lockdowns?
FAUCI: That's right.
TRUMP: Well, then. Okay.
The sheer brilliance in the Oval Office that day must have been blinding.
So, first up, let's take a peek at a recent article from Nature, the venerable British medical journal. April 2, "Special report: The [computer] simulations driving the world's response to COVID-19":
"...it's natural to wonder how reliable any of the [computer] simulations are. Unfortunately, during a pandemic it is hard to get data — such as on infection rates — against which to judge a model's projections."
This is called a clue. Computer models predicting the spread of disease may be an interesting academic exercise, but in the real world, where lives and nations are on the line, THE DATA, on which the projections are based, are elusive. Without accurate data, what do you have? How about opinion, bias, and conjecture?
Nature: "'You can project [via computer models] forwards and then compare against what you get. But the problem is that our surveillance systems are pretty rubbish', says John Edmunds, who is a modeller at the LSHTM [London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine]. 'The total numbers of cases reported, is that accurate? No. Accurate anywhere? No'."
I see. Rubbish. Total number of cases—inaccurate everywhere. Bad data. No data. In other words, the computer models are sophisticated tripe.
Nature: "'Forecasts made during an outbreak are rarely investigated during or after the event for their accuracy, and only recently have forecasters begun to make results, code, models and data available for retrospective analysis,' Edmunds and his team noted last year in a paper that assessed the performance of forecasts made in a 2014–15 Ebola outbreak in Sierra Leone. They found that it was possible to reliably predict the epidemic's course one or two weeks ahead of time, but no longer, because of the inherent uncertainty and lack of knowledge about the outbreak."
Computer predictions are rarely investigated for accuracy. Can't make accurate predictions for more than two weeks ahead. Do you suppose Fauci, who has served as a public health dictator since medieval times, is aware of this, but is ignoring it? That's a rhetorical question, Your Honor. I withdraw it. The answer is obvious.
Finally, Nature provides us with this startling factoid: "The 16 March simulations that the [Neil Ferguson] team ran to inform the UK government's COVID-19 response used an agent-based model built in 2005 to see what would happen in Thailand if H5N1 avian flu mutated to a version that could spread easily between people."
That's like saying, "This year, the driver in the Indianapolis 500 is sitting in a car built 15 years ago. He's dusted it off and hopes it works and doesn't crash into the wall."
You may think this is an unkind comparison, but we know something about that dusty Ferguson 2005 computer model of avian flu. Here is a quote from the Business insider, 4/25:
"...he [Ferguson] was accused of creating panic by overestimating the potential death toll during the 2005 Bird [avian] Flu outbreak. Ferguson estimated 200 million could die. The real number was in the low hundreds."
THIS is the basic model Ferguson has now used to project deaths from COVID-19.
Are your eyeballs popping? They should be.
Without further ado, here is the Business Insider, 4/25, reporting Neil Ferguson's other grotesque prediction failures:
"Michael Thrusfield, a professor of veterinary epidemiology at Edinburgh University, told the paper he had 'déjà vu' after reading the [Ferguson] Imperial paper [on COVID], saying Ferguson was responsible for excessive animal culling during the 2001 Foot and Mouth [actually, Mad Cow disease] outbreak."
"Ferguson warned the government that 150,000 people could die. Six million animals were slaughtered as a precaution, costing the country billions in farming revenue. In the end, 200 people died."
"In 2009, one of Ferguson's models predicted 65,000 people could die from the Swine Flu outbreak in the UK — the final figure was below 500."
Want more? The Business Insider raises the level of shock even higher.
"Ferguson co-founded the MRC Centre for Global Infectious Disease Analysis, based at Imperial [College], in 2008. It is the leading body advising national governments on pathogen outbreaks."
"It gets tens of millions of dollars in annual funding from the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation, and works with the UK National Health Service, the US Centres for Disease Prevention and Control (CDC), and is tasked with supplying the World Health Organization with 'rapid analysis of urgent infectious disease problems'."
Getting the picture?
Bill Gates wants a COVID vaccine before planetary lockdowns end. The lockdowns, of course, are already making a wreck of the Earth's economies.
Bill Gates' money goes to Ferguson.
Ferguson supplies, to the CDC and WHO, a vastly worthless but frightening computer projection of COVID deaths. Ferguson thus communicates a justification for the Gates global vaccine plan.
The CDC and WHO act, based on what Gates wants, as expressed by Ferguson.
National governments surrender to WHO and CDC. LOCKDOWNS.
What say you, Trump, Johnson, Merkel, Macron, et al? Are you merely clueless idiots, no brighter than some passerby on a street corner who's handed a sign for a protest, and joins the line, having zero idea what he's supporting? Are you that stupid, as you point to Ferguson's farce of a computer model, with eyes glazed?
Are you simply in fear of experts who, on their best day, should be consigned to modelling numbers of cockroaches in motel rooms?
Or are you hostile idiots, who intend to destroy countless lives as economics sink further into ruin, day by day?
P.S. Perhaps you're thinking, "These governments couldn't be THAT crazy and stupid and vicious. They couldn't have acted based on Neil Ferguson's computer model..."
Business Insider, 4/25: "Ferguson's team warned Boris Johnson that the quest for 'herd immunity' [letting people live their lives out in the open in the UK] could cost 510,000 lives, prompting an abrupt U-turn [massive national lockdown in the UK]...His [Ferguson's] simulations have been influential in other countries as well, cited by authorities in the US, Germany, and France."
"On March 23, the UK scrapped 'herd immunity' in favor of a suppression strategy, and the country made preparations for weeks of lockdown. Ferguson's study was responsible."
"Dr Deborah Birx, coronavirus response coordinator to the Trump administration, told journalists at a March 16 press briefing that the Imperial paper [Ferguson's computer projection] prompted the CDC's new advice to work from home and avoid gatherings of 10 or more."
TO READ ALL MY ARTICLES ON THE COVID LUNACY:
The above article was one from his website blog.. of which there are more Covid articles on it..
Im not sure if this is from one he shows from his video.
THIS IS WHAT CONCERNS ME AT THE MOMENT..
IF what John says is partially true for Prof N Furgusens past records which he shows news articles ref to them..
Then why has Boris Johnson (BoJo)or one of his associates if he was in Hospital as we were led to believe challenged it ?
or has that been an excuse for BO JO to not have to makes comments on it...
Its suggested that Donald Trump is a Friend with BoJo..but can you trust Johnson ?
So what the hell is going on ?
IF Trump is to challenge Bill Gates and This UK Prof....and the UK Govt etc
How will he look at Bo JO and the UK Govt ? if this proves to be valid...
But having said all this, can we believe that all the other Scientist etc who we are led to believe are doing this or that
and investigating the virus etc or other companies who may be saying trying to design a vaccine...
can we really believe all these people would in on the hoax ?
or even just main few leaders who may be in charge..
How many would it take to pull this off...
and HOW do those who maybe at the top recruit such people to go along with it ?
That is a hard one to figure out ! and How can anyone prove that even John Rap or A.J etc..
Another thought !
If we think the Virus is for real and that a vaccine could be our saviour is one view...
The Vaccine may protect us..
but is or do we know that the Vaccine is going be safe ? or is it designed to badly effect or kill us.
If we think its all fake... and want to ignore it..
But if it is for real... we could catch it and die..
or We believe that we dont want to take any vaccine and eventual become infected by the virus .
In the UK every Thursday....
Thur the TV media.. at 8 pm... they suggest everybody claps the NHS and carers and Doctors.
and people are doing this on a huge scale every week.
Maybe just my present view...but
To me this is total mind control over the top and thats why I dont go along with what is happening.
Paul Watson makes a ref to this ...as wel as how some staff are larking / dancing around and laughing while dressed in their PPE equipment ...
then you have all your neighbors snooping or observing and commenting who is at their doors each week..
and then they are trying to say get talking with your neighbors but social distance..
and then you later see huge groups close together less than 2 ms apart..
In ref to any Hospital Staff etc if this is the case..who are genuine..
No doubt they deserve praises but does it have to be in the way that the populace is being encouraged to go about it.
It is widely reported that in the USA the medi care system is paid $13000 for each covid patient they handle, and $39000 for each one that they put on ventilators
Oh vey , it is business.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/04/huge-mn-senator-doctor-hospitals-get-paid-list-patients-covid-19-three-times-much-patient-goes-ventilator-video/
Here in the Uk the death certificate is now been reported on symptom, not on an actual cause.
So if it looks like a covid, it is declared as such, even though they have not tested.
And that's where two almost identical conditions can be added together to ramp up the fear.
Most of the deaths they even admit openly are related to those with pre existing life threatening conditions.
But please keep believing the governments story, all else is crackpots, don't listen or debate, the EXPERTS KNOW BEST
You know like him caught with His pants down that demanded everyone to be put into lock down.
Kevin
https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sumer_anunnaki/reptiles/reptiles17a.htm
Just suppose in a fantasy story manner that there are reptilian races running this planet.
Humans have iron based blood to enable oxygen absorption.
Reptiles have copper based blood oxygen absorption, bill gates would make a great candidate to play the part of king reptile in any film version imho.
.
So it would make a great story line if the humans who were unaware of the difference were wiped out by the reptiles with technology targeted at iron????
Reptiles are notorious for lack of empathy.
Of course this is just fiction , so keep believing the governments, only they care for you.
Kevin
Quote from: kevin on May 10, 2020, 08:16:43 AM
Only believe what the states tell You, don't listen to anything else.
It's not a question of believe what the state tells, it's a question of believing reproducible data. Data about the virus has been confirmed by many countries, organisations and scientists working in the field. Their information are consistent to what was already know about other virus.
What you have been posting is lacking verifiable data, that's why I keep asking for sources.
Why should I believe in someone on the Internet with an idea instead of believing the state and all the people that confirm this is a virus close to the one behind SARS?
QuoteHaemoglobin has four iron atoms.
Oxygen binds with these ( think in terms of magnetics, with polarities attracting or repelling)
It's not a magnetic thing, it's a chemical thing, if it was magnetic people would come out of an MRI with lack of oxygen in the blood.
Quote60 ghz alters the spin of the orbital electrons of oxygen, thus it isn't absorbed by the haemoglobin.
That's when I ask for proof. Show me studies proving that 60 GHz radio frequencies change the spin of the electrons in the oxygen molecules.
QuoteThis will result in a condition.....almost exactly that which is been called by a virus.
The symptoms of lack of oxygen in the blood are not like the this virus' symptoms.
QuoteYou will need to research into magnetic biology, or as I recommended Royal Raymond Rife.
If there's verifiable data, maybe.
QuoteBut trust Your state, only listen to what they are telling You, all else is by crazy crackpots.
Keeping on repeating that makes it look like a child putting the fingers on his ears and speaking loud to avoid listening to things that he doesn't like.
If you have the data that supports what you are saying, post it, otherwise I don't have any reason to believe what you're saying.
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=magnetobiology&&view=detail&mid=8D0CC7F21AB71D82DDBC8D0CC7F21AB71D82DDBC&&FORM=VDRVRV
I have good reason/s to know what this is all about.
Kevin
Quote from: kevin on May 10, 2020, 12:17:58 PM
That man is not suggesting that the Italian state have lied about the death figures ..is He??//
He is, and being part of the Italian parliament he is part of the state.
One of the things he said is not true, in Germany not all things were working perfectly on May 4, Germany has yet to open everything.
The only thing similar to what he was talking about I could find was this:
QuoteNel 35,7% dei casi segnalati viene riportata almeno una co-morbidità (patologie cardiovascolari, patologie respiratorie, diabete, deficit immunitari, patologie metaboliche, patologie oncologiche, obesità, patologie renali o altre patologie croniche).
Translation:
In 35.7% of the cases was reported at least one comorbidity (cardiovascular disease, respiratory disease, diabetes, immune deficiency, metabolic disease, oncological disease, obesity, kidney disease or other chronic disease).
Source (https://www.epicentro.iss.it/coronavirus/bollettino/Bollettino-sorveglianza-integrata-COVID-19_7-maggio-2020.pdf)
Quote from: ArMaP on May 10, 2020, 05:29:34 PM
He is, and being part of the Italian parliament he is part of the state.
One of the things he said is not true, in Germany not all things were working perfectly on May 4, Germany has yet to open everything.
The only thing similar to what he was talking about I could find was this:Translation:
In 35.7% of the cases was reported at least one comorbidity (cardiovascular disease, respiratory disease, diabetes, immune deficiency, metabolic disease, oncological disease, obesity, kidney disease or other chronic disease).
Source (https://www.epicentro.iss.it/coronavirus/bollettino/Bollettino-sorveglianza-integrata-COVID-19_7-maggio-2020.pdf)
Yes I know He is part of the Italian state, and that which He is accusing the Italian state of lying about will translate almost percentage wise across all states of the globe, due to this been a global lie.
The man has balls, hopefully so does president Trump.
Kevin
Quote from: astr0144 on May 10, 2020, 01:27:29 PM
At about the 38 min mark.... A.J shows Gates smiling when discussing the death rates, effect on economy etc..
unless it was fake edited as it shows two people (Interviewr and BG ) from seperate areas in two screens together..
which could be possible... unless someone else can prove it is for real...which if so is further concerning...
but no doubt A.J could just be making an issue of it and maybe Gates is smiling for some other point of his view or thought process at the time...if he disagreed or believed things were not being said as he considers things...
A.J. sure is fixated on Gates' face while the question was posed, but we don't know what he said before that question or what his answer to the question was.
QuoteHe says that Gates under the control of the Elites, Rothchilds, those attend Bilderberg etc
Have planned this to destroy Donald Trump leading up to the US Election ...
That's a typical closed minded point of view. Just to stop Trump they created a pandemic? They just had to shoot him, like they did with other US presidents.
QuoteOn the video it talks about how Sweden did NOT lock down and the death rates have not been any where near the predictions .... even thou its population differs... proportionally it suggests its not the real threat that they are making out..
I'm always hearing about predictions but never see them. :)
QuoteSo Maybe A.J has got his facts mixed up on that...
He did.
Sweden has 2,567 cases per million, Portugal, with more or less the same population, has 2,688. Sweden has 3,220 deaths, Portugal 1,126, but while Sweden has today 656 new cases and 45 new deaths Portugal has 138 new cases (although I think this values is too low when compared with previous days) and 12 new deaths, which appear to show that the situation in Portugal is slowing down while in Sweden is not.
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/Portugal.png)
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/Sweden.png)
It also looks like Sweden, like Germany, had a slow start.
QuoteIt seems Bill Gates has the LARGEST Private foundation in the World...
That's irrelevant, as what's important it's not its size but what he does with it. ;)
Quote from: astr0144 on May 10, 2020, 04:25:48 PM
If so .. who were the so called Doctors and Staff...involved...
and are some of them Murderers on instruction from whoever has designed this ???
In such a case ... some how they would have had to have what seemed like leading Drs.. (who are in on the hoax)
who in turn does the killings and controls those around him and manages to cover up as to how they kill off the patients.
That would seem very hard to believe..BUT Id would wonder if its possible ?
For something like that to work they would need to involve most of the hospital staff. Either that or replace the staff. Both situations would be easily spoken off on Social Media by the people affected.
Quote from: kevin on May 10, 2020, 04:37:42 PM
It is widely reported that in the USA the medi care system is paid $13000 for each covid patient they handle, and $39000 for each one that they put on ventilators
I don't care about the USA, if this is global conspiracy then things must be done the same way everywhere.
QuoteHere in the Uk the death certificate is now been reported on symptom, not on an actual cause.
In Portugal all cases are tested and only get a CoViD-19 death certificate if they were infected.
Quote from: kevin on May 10, 2020, 05:03:56 PM
Humans have iron based blood to enable oxygen absorption.
Reptiles have copper based blood oxygen absorption, bill gates would make a great candidate to play the part of king reptile in any film version imho.
Copper doesn't work with oxygen in the same way, it's not good to transport oxygen.
QuoteSo it would make a great story line if the humans who were unaware of the difference were wiped out by the reptiles with technology targeted at iron????
A story, yes, but not really good. To me, a good story needs credibility, and such a story wouldn't have much.
QuoteReptiles are notorious for lack of empathy.
So am I. :)
QuoteOf course this is just fiction , so keep believing the governments, only they care for you.
You are starting to sound like a broken record or someone that repeats the same thing again and again to convince himself that he is right.
Quote from: kevin on May 10, 2020, 05:21:27 PM
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=magnetobiology&&view=detail&mid=8D0CC7F21AB71D82DDBC8D0CC7F21AB71D82DDBC&&FORM=VDRVRV
I have good reason/s to know what this is all about.
Kevin
I stopped watching when he talked about microwave ovens, as those are shielded and the radiation doesn't get out.
Quote from: kevin on May 10, 2020, 06:06:38 PM
Yes I know He is part of the Italian state, and that which He is accusing the Italian state of lying about will translate almost percentage wise across all states of the globe, due to this been a global lie.
It doesn't translate to other countries, most countries were as affected as Italy or Spain (Spain was even worse than Italy but doesn't get as much publicity, for whatever reasons).
QuoteThe man has balls, hopefully so does president Trump.
Or doesn't know what he is saying, which also reminds me of Trump. :)
Just because I like statistics, here are the charts for CoViD-19 cases in the UK and the USA.
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/UK.png)
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/USA.png)
PS: that small "platform" that appears on all charts close to April 19 is the result of a fault in my data, I had to use the same data from the previous day.
ArMap,
I am going to not post for a while, My needle needs sharpening ( records used to get broken due to gramophone needles going blunt)
You are a star, shine on You crazy diamond.
Kevin
I am not sure what you mean ArMap..
I think you may have misunderstood.
From I could see so far as I am watching it...
The women who is speaking about ref to a microwave...(I assume an Mic oven ) I think shes giving an eg how a microwave could be heating any food or what ever within the microwave that has water or moisture in it ...
or you can boil your water in a microwave..
Whoever she is she seems very bright and knowledable... is she a Dr or Scientist...or both...
I dont think its suggesting that the Microwave oven effects anything outside it..or a similar principle.
I am NOT greatly clued up on 5G or the 60 GHz but Im guessing its some sort of Microwave or electromag wave in the EM spectrum..
So I assume somehow these microwave signals somehow via some power source can travel various distances and effect waters atoms or molecules whereever...and water H2O has oxygen in it.... thats also within our bodies.
and maybe have an effect on the spin of the oxygen atoms or surrounding electrons that circulae and spin around an o2 molecule....is as Kevs trying to describe.
Hence those Ox atoms when combined make up o2 which has now become a molecule as its now more that just one
oxygen atom.
But maybe each of the now two atoms in the molecule and their atoms .molecules electrons is what spins by the effects of the 60 Ghz 5G frequecy.. and so it does not react as normal..or something like that..
shes refers to a micowave eg of 2.4 .... im not sure what this unless its a lower freqency that normal microwave ovens work on.. then she refers to different power rates...Does that mean higher power will help send the waves further or stronger somehow ??? that I dont fully understand and can only guess.
Then when we breathe in Air into our lungs which contains oxygen...or 02...
when it then passes thru to our blood stream... it attempts to mix with the iron or hemoglobin..
Hemoglobin is a Iron related protein within our blood... that then reacts with the o2...when o2 passes thru the lungs into our blood stream. BUT due to the effects of 60 GhZ acting on the o2... that stops the 02 reacting to the hemoglobin..as it should. and therefore... the hemoglobin cannot UP take oxygen or o2 around your body where its needed to the likes of various orgins in the body or the brain where its most needed..
But because the 5g / 60 Ghz creats a spin effect on the 02 or ox atoms... maybe its not reacting as it should..
thus efecting the blood within the body that is no longer working as it should..
FOR some reason it says that Oxygen only seems to get effected in frequncy of 60Ghz to the degree that they are descibed as shown by a chart comparison compred to othe frequencies or after... even at 100Ghz it does not react anything like at 60 Ghz. in terms of a high spike on the chart...
and then this effects our brain and immune system...or maybe allows a virus to attack us if ones involved or maybe it makes it appear that is what is happening..
Shes goes on to say that the Telecom companies who provide 5G have admitted that the 60 ghz signal is asorbable by the oxygen. or interact with oxygen. I m not exactly sure what that means.
I THINk it says or suggests that the 60GHZ Frequency waves (5G) is ABSORBABLE by Oxygen...
does it mean it reacts or that its fails to react... the 60 Ghz effects on or within the o2 .... but is it being absorbed correctly if needed for the body to work correctly..or NOT. is it a case its not properly absorbing it as it should be ?
FIVGB
It says that if you mess with oxygen aborbtion to the body and the 60 Ghz freqency wave impacts oxygen and that when you mess with the oxygen absorbtion in the human biology and body that this causes severe health problems to us ..
It says that 60 ghz does NOT travel very far and that they need many smaller cell dishes or what ever transmitts the waves instead one main large type dish...
The video shows some people in China who were fainting... this was due to lack of oxygen getting into the body / brain
by the 5 G....and maybe later thay could have been accused of having the virus when they did not..
How disturbing that would be...God help them or us if its effects us like this...
The speaker says what they call Covid is acute respitory desease.
and that CV is NOT new , its a cold or flu and is references to it are wrote from the past on Common disinfectants. like detoll for eg or sanitisers etc.
So How long has CV really been known or CV19 a new version of an older version ?
She went on to say in 2015. to 2019. there were 200 to 26,000 Scientist from over 41 countries who opposed 5G...
who complained to he United Nations Yet the Govt or who ever have ignored them..and now see to aim to bring it out to the masses.
so much for Science / Scientific opinion / opposition ?
It goes on to say how Big Phamacutical Companys are what I think is maybe bribing Professors with pay offs..
to mislead maybe the Govt and the public etc to allow them to increase their products and services severely by
100s of in some case 1000s of %.
If so Totally Corrupt ...
Yes I do believe this can or does happen....and could possibly believe this theory..
That now seems to apply many things to do with Govt decisions all over.
I find in the UK now.... most things that have Govt involved are very draconian and hush hush... and made very awakward to deal with..be it your local council or other organisations.
Quote from: ArMaP on May 10, 2020, 06:38:24 PM
I stopped watching when he talked about microwave ovens, as those are shielded and the radiation doesn't get out.
Quote from: kevin on May 10, 2020, 07:03:09 PM
ArMap,
I am going to not post for a while, My needle needs sharpening ( records used to get broken due to gramophone needles going blunt)
You are a star, shine on You crazy diamond.
Kevin
I hope you're back soon.
It may not look like it, but I like your posts, even if I don't agree with the content (and ask for proof like a slightly scratched record). :)
PS: the younger readers may be wondering what's this talk about broken records and blunt needles. :)
Quote from: astr0144 on May 10, 2020, 08:32:16 PM
I am not sure what you mean ArMap..
I think you may have misunderstood.
At 2:50 the guy says:
"... your cellphone is affecting your biology is an important place to start. Your cellphone, your microwave oven, you microwave frequencies, you know, your sonic toothbrush..."
QuoteI am NOT greatly clued up on 5G or the 60 GHz but Im guessing its some sort of Microwave or electromag wave in the EM spectrum..
5G uses several frequencies, one of them 60 GHz, but most of the companies already operating 5G systems are not using the 60 GHz channel.
QuoteSo I assume somehow these microwave signals somehow via some power source can travel various distances and effect waters atoms or molecules whereever...and water H2O has oxygen in it.... thats also within our bodies.
and maybe have an effect on the spin of the oxygen atoms or surrounding electrons that circulae and spin around an o2 molecule....is as Kevs trying to describe.
Yes, that's the theory, that 60 GHz radio frequencies affect the spin of the electrons in the oxygen athoms.
QuoteBut maybe each of the now two atoms in the molecule and their atoms .molecules electrons is what spins by the effects of the 60 Ghz 5G frequecy.. and so it does not react as normal..or something like that..
Electrons are always spinning, spin is one of the characteristics of atomic particles.
Quoteshes refers to a micowave eg of 2.4 .... im not sure what this unless its a lower freqency that normal microwave ovens work on.. then she refers to different power rates...Does that mean higher power will help send the waves further or stronger somehow ??? that I dont fully understand and can only guess.
She is probably talking about the frequency common microwave ovens use, 2.4 GHz.
QuoteThen when we breathe in Air into our lungs which contains oxygen...or 02...
when it then passes thru to our blood stream... it attempts to mix with the iron or hemoglobin..
Hemoglobin is a Iron related protein within our blood... that then reacts with the o2...when o2 passes thru the lungs into our blood stream. BUT due to the effects of 60 GhZ acting on the o2... that stops the 02 reacting to the hemoglobin..as it should. and therefore... the hemoglobin cannot UP take oxygen or o2 around your body where its needed to the likes of various orgins in the body or the brain where its most needed..
That's what I don't believe. Being an asthmatic I know perfectly well what happens when oxygen cannot enter the lungs, and the symptoms are nothing like the CoViD-19 symptoms. When haemoglobin cannot receive oxygen it doesn't turn red, it remains bluish, so the finger tips turn blue , then the fingers, hands, etc., if the situation progresses, until the person dies from lack of oxygen, it doesn't take days to happen, a couple of hours is enough.
QuoteBut because the 5g / 60 Ghz creats a spin effect on the 02 or ox atoms... maybe its not reacting as it should..
thus efecting the blood within the body that is no longer working as it should..
The 60 GHz radiation doesn't create the spin in the Oxygen electrons, they are already spinning.
I don't know if a change in spin would change the chemical properties of the oxygen atoms.
QuoteFOR some reason it says that Oxygen only seems to get effected in frequncy of 60Ghz to the degree that they are descibed as shown by a chart comparison compred to othe frequencies or after... even at 100Ghz it does not react anything like at 60 Ghz. in terms of a high spike on the chart...
I saw a chart on Wikipedia that showed radio signal attenuation at different frequencies, and that showed a spike at 60 GHz for oxygen.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/71/Micrwavattrp.png)
Source (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extremely_high_frequency#Propagation)
QuoteShes goes on to say that the Telecom companies who provide 5G have admitted that the 60 ghz signal is asorbable by the oxygen. or interact with oxygen. I m not exactly sure what that means.
It's natural they say it, as it's a know characteristic of the frequency, being absorbed by O2.
QuoteI THINk it says or suggests that the 60GHZ Frequency waves (5G) is ABSORBABLE by Oxygen...
does it mean it reacts or that its fails to react... the 60 Ghz effects on or within the o2 .... but is it being absorbed correctly if needed for the body to work correctly..or NOT. is it a case its not properly absorbing it as it should be ?
Radio is absorbed by several materials at different frequencies, I
suppose that those materials are somewhat affected by those frequencies, but I do not know how.
QuoteIt says that if you mess with oxygen aborbtion to the body and the 60 Ghz freqency wave impacts oxygen and that when you mess with the oxygen absorbtion in the human biology and body that this causes severe health problems to us ..
Obviously, we need oxygen to live, without oxygen we die in a short time.
QuoteIt says that 60 ghz does NOT travel very far and that they need many smaller cell dishes or what ever transmitts the waves instead one main large type dish...
True, as the 60 GHz radiation is easily absorbed by O2 it doesn't travel far, so they need more antennas and smaller cells.
QuoteThe video shows some people in China who were fainting... this was due to lack of oxygen getting into the body / brain
by the 5 G....and maybe later thay could have been accused of having the virus when they did not..
If they collapsed for lack of oxygen in the blood they wouldn't be able to get up again, like the man on the elevator (I saw that part), after collapsing he would stay there for a few minutes more until he died. He shows no signs of difficulty breathing.
QuoteHow disturbing that would be...God help them or us if its effects us like this...
The speaker says what they call Covid is acute respitory desease.
and that CV is NOT new , its a cold or flu and is references to it are wrote from the past on Common disinfectants. like detoll for eg or sanitisers etc.
So How long has CV really been known or CV19 a new version of an older version ?
Many people make that mistake.
Coronavirus is a type of virus, that now familiar sphere with "spikes" all around it (the proteins that allow it to connect to cells).
The virus responsible for SARS is also a coronavirus, as are some of the virus responsible for the common cold.
This new virus was named SARS-CoV-2, as it was considered similar to the coronavirus (CoV) that causes SARS.
Quote
She went on to say in 2015. to 2019. there were 200 to 26,000 Scientist from over 41 countries who opposed 5G...
who complained to he United Nations
Yet the Govt or who ever have ignored them..and now see to aim to bring it out to the masses.
so much for Science / Scientific opinion / opposition ?
Many people are against 5G because of the lack of studies about the possible consequences of the use frequencies that have not been used so close to people in their phones.
I agree with the need of studies, as there isn't enough data to say it's completely harmless.
QuoteIt goes on to say how Big Phamacutical Companys are what I think is maybe bribing Professors with pay offs..
to mislead maybe the Govt and the public etc to allow them to increase their products and services severely by
100s of in some case 1000s of %.
Big Pharma are known for paying doctors to make them prescribe their own drugs over other company's drugs, but for something like this I doubt many doctors would do what the companies were asking for, as that is clearly a crime.
QuoteThat now seems to apply many things to do with Govt decisions all over.
I find in the UK now.... most things that have Govt involved are very draconian and hush hush... and made very awakward to deal with..be it your local council or other organisations.
But, once more, if this is supposed to be a global thing then all governments should be behaving in the same way, but they aren't.
There's nothing I have seen that supports the 5G/CoViD-19 connection.
In ref to your earlier Comment ArMaP....and on of mine..
(I made a slip in that you referred to a He whos comment I may had overlooked that part and I looked at what the She had said however some of the comments were of a similar in relation to Mic Ovens )
you mentioned that your stopped watching when he talked about Mic Ovens.
but on your later reply post other things that are effect us / our biology by Mic Waves.. ie cell phones toothbrush.
That I assume are not shielded in the same way as you describe a mic oven maybe...
or are they designed in a similar so that radiation does not get out ?
so as we mainly talking about Telecom and Mobile Phones in ref to 5G...
Are you by any chance comparing a Mobile Phone with a Micowave being sealed to stop radiation..
or is the effect on the mobile phone different and justs recieves the signal..
If the Mobile Verses the Microwave vary why ere you not just taking the Mobile phone into consideration when you later had said you stopped watching the video when you saw a ref to a microwave oven...
Why did you not keep watching whe you was aware that a Moble Phone was also mentioned in the sceneio that you seemed to descibe. ? ie the sheilding and that the radiation does not get out..
Does radiation get sealed or out of a Mobile phone ? in a similar comparision ?
It was often suggested that Mobile Phones were a danger to us.. so I assume there is some radiation that comes from
the mobile phone.. and its not sealed in the same ways as a mic oven..
or does the radiation come with the microwaves and just surround us when we use a mobile phone..
If so or not whats the difference ?
or have you now considered anything different since reading my prior post.. which so far I am not sure if my made you consider anything differently..
although I can see that from your other points / comments it has not changed your view or maybe made you consider some other things differently.. I dont think !
QuoteArMap
I stopped watching when he talked about microwave ovens, as those are shielded and the radiation doesn't get out.
Quote
At 2:50 the guy says:
"... your cellphone is affecting your biology is an important place to start. Your cellphone, your microwave oven, you microwave frequencies, you know, your sonic toothbrush..."
From what I read you seem to have a fair understanding in this topic now...
but you dont see enough to still fully convince you...
so you seem to have done some quite indepth detective research...
Not sure which telecom companies are using or plan to use (If some may alter to 60 Ghz) but I also thought that one concern was the China telecom Co Huawei that planned to use it and thats maybe the main thing that raised this concern.
Quote5G uses several frequencies, one of them 60 GHz, but most of the companies already operating 5G systems are not using the 60 GHz channel.
In ref to Electrons .. I mainly thought that they orbited around the atom..only... I dont think I was aware they also spinned. so it seems very similar to how planets orbit the sun where they also rotate...
I THOUGHT that the fact that they were suggesting that the electrons spin when effected by the microwave...
that this was the issue..
But HOW it effects the spin to make the atom differ exactly I DONT KNOW ! Maybe thats what the main issue is !
maybe : The angular momentum or spin speed of the electron probably alters and this may effect the binding...QuoteThe electron spin is one of the three inherent properties of the electrons; the others are mass and charge of the electron. The electron spin is described as the spinning of the electron around its axis
I THOUGHT that the Spin effect stopped the Oxy atoms / Mols binding with the Hemoglobin...and this is what the problem was..
QuoteYes, that's the theory, that 60 GHz radio frequencies affect the spin of the electrons in the oxygen atoms.
QuoteElectrons are always spinning, spin is one of the characteristics of atomic particles.
In ref to my last prior comment above .. that the atoms spin effect may stop it binding with the hemoglobin..
could be the issue... BUT just HOW severe it can effect the binding... Maybe it just has some medium effect rather than a full effect.. and thats why those people did not turn fully Blue...
but you made an interesting good point that I had not considered and maybe right..
QuoteThat's what I don't believe. Being an asthmatic I know perfectly well what happens when oxygen cannot enter the lungs, and the symptoms are nothing like the CoViD-19 symptoms. When haemoglobin cannot receive oxygen it doesn't turn red, it remains bluish, so the finger tips turn blue , then the fingers, hands, etc., if the situation progresses, until the person dies from lack of oxygen, it doesn't take days to happen, a couple of hours is enough.
answers similar to above election spin.
QuoteThe 60 GHz radiation doesn't create the spin in the Oxygen electrons, they are already spinning.
I don't know if a change in spin would change the chemical properties of the oxygen atoms.
YES maybe.. BUT maybe it makes the spin differ in speed or whatever and it wont bind for those altered reasons..
that I think we would struggle to get to know the full details.
QuoteMany people make that mistake.
Coronavirus is a type of virus, that now familiar sphere with "spikes" all around it (the proteins that allow it to connect to cells).
The virus responsible for SARS is also a coronavirus, as are some of the virus responsible for the common cold.
This new virus was named SARS-CoV-2, as it was considered similar to the coronavirus (CoV) that causes SARS.
yes..
QuoteMany people are against 5G because of the lack of studies about the possible consequences of the use frequencies that have not been used so close to people in their phones.
I agree with the need of studies, as there isn't enough data to say it's completely harmless
NOW its interesting that you seem to agree with that ...BUT you may question other things we had discussed of other Drs / scientists companies etc where you dont seem to accept for certain cases that could do similar..ie take bribes and pay offs to go along with either big biz or Govts for corrupt purposes etc..
so why agree with that and not some of the other simialar things that we discussed or that A.J has suggested on numerous occasions... in which often say that you dont believe him on many a similar thing hes referred to.
QuoteBig Pharma are known for paying doctors to make them prescribe their own drugs over other company's drugs, but for something like this I doubt many doctors would do what the companies were asking for, as that is clearly a crime.
Maybe only mainly the larger main Countries .. not all !
QuoteBut, once more, if this is supposed to be a global thing then all governments should be behaving in the same way, but they aren't.
There's nothing I have seen that supports the 5G/CoViD-19 connection.
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Did it ever occur to anyone our common RADAR has been using these frequencies for years... NO ONE HAS DIED FROM IT!
QuoteThe frequencies of radar sets today range from about 5 megahertz to about 130 gigahertz (130,000,000,000 oscillations per second!). However, certain frequencies are also preferred for certain radar applications. Very long-range radar systems usually operate at lower frequencies below and including the D-band. 3 GHz (ASR)
https://www.radartutorial.eu/07.waves/Waves%20and%20Frequency%20Ranges.en.html (https://www.radartutorial.eu/07.waves/Waves%20and%20Frequency%20Ranges.en.html)
Quote from: Ellirium113 on May 11, 2020, 12:12:03 PM
Did it ever occur to anyone our common RADAR has been using these frequencies for years... NO ONE HAS DIED FROM IT!
https://www.radartutorial.eu/07.waves/Waves%20and%20Frequency%20Ranges.en.html (https://www.radartutorial.eu/07.waves/Waves%20and%20Frequency%20Ranges.en.html)
Nice one.....BUT.....(they will say)....lol...such gooblygook... ;) ::)
Seems a valid point...and certainly of interest.
I know very little in ref to Radar...only what Ive seen / experienced in films on TV or on some ships or at an airport.
fansongecho may know more as I think he worked with Radar !
If anything I thought that it maybe with the Radio Frequency area while the Mobile networks or system was to do with Microwave part of the spectrum. Did not think that they may overlap.
I dont think I have ever seen it referred to or spelt out in a EMF chart where usually you see eg from Radio, micowave, Light (IR / UV ), X Ray and Gamma.
(http://www.swiftrunnerministries.com/resources/My%20EMF%20chart.png.opt860x430o0%2C0s860x430.png)
but it seems Radar is on this chart and comes towards the Radio / Microwave area
(https://th.bing.com/th/id/OIP.0d1I1qYxdpJ-G4Jjk-lc3wHaFj?pid=Api&rs=1)
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-UvCLgmB_H-E/TVXyPAnD9xI/AAAAAAAAAus/IQ21G_cjcsg/s1600/Electromagnetic_Spectrum_Full_Chart.jpg
In the chart it shows mobile phones ranging on the other or old system I assume between 900mhz and 2.4 ghz
and radar at 1 to 100 / 130 Ghz.
For Telecom companies that use either other signals or 5 G . does radar not effect them in some way would you think ?
or could they have some way to block it ?
On one of the later videos that was being discussed about magnetbiology... it referred to certain things that can effect it.. like trees and other types of objects...
If Radar is similar to Microwave 5g in wave type... As radar waves hits objects and bounces off and returns...or thats the impression I think I presently visualise...
Then im not sure how it compares. or maybe affected.
I wonder if they use something like this ! may interfere with the Mobile masts or dishes or what ever.
or is this just for effecting the return signal to the radar and not the output signal that may interfere with Mobile masts.
It will probably be the transmitter that sends the signals out.
Quote
The radar transmitter produces the short duration high-power rf pulses of energy that are radiated into space by the antenna.
https://www.radartutorial.eu/08.transmitters/Radar%20Transmitter.en.html
QuoteRadar jamming and deception is a form of electronic countermeasures that intentionally sends out radio frequency signals to interfere with the operation of radar by saturating its receiver with noise or false information. Concepts that blanket the radar with signals so its display cannot be read are normally known as jamming, while systems that produce confusing or contradictory signals are known as deception, but it is also common for all such systems to be referred to as jamming.
There are two general classes of radar jamming, mechanical and electronic. Mechanical jamming entails reflecting enemy radio signals in various ways to provide false or misleading target signals to the radar operator. Electronic jamming works by transmitting additional radio signals towards enemy receivers, making it difficult to detect real target signals, or take advantage of known behaviors of automated systems like radar lock-on to confuse the system.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radar_jamming_and_deception
another radar link that gives some brief descriptions.
https://www.who.int/peh-emf/publications/facts/fs226/en/
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Did it ever occur to anyone our common RADAR has been using these frequencies for years... NO ONE HAS DIED FROM IT!
https://www.radartutorial.eu/07.waves/Waves%20and%20Frequency%20Ranges.en.html (https://www.radartutorial.eu/07.waves/Waves%20and%20Frequency%20Ranges.en.html)
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Quote from: astr0144 on May 11, 2020, 05:46:28 AM
you mentioned that your stopped watching when he talked about Mic Ovens.
but on your later reply post other things that are effect us / our biology by Mic Waves.. ie cell phones toothbrush.
That I assume are not shielded in the same way as you describe a mic oven maybe...
or are they designed in a similar so that radiation does not get out ?
Other things do not emit electromagnetic radiation with that power level, so they are not dangerous. Also, lower frequencies are less dangerous, and a toothbrush probably only emits at 50 or 60 Hz, the frequency of the socket to which they may be connected or the frequency related to the rotation speed of the motor or other actuator (like in the case of ultrasound).
QuoteAre you by any chance comparing a Mobile Phone with a Micowave being sealed to stop radiation..
or is the effect on the mobile phone different and justs recieves the signal..
No, I just mentioned that I stopped watching because the man was saying that microwave ovens affect our magnetic fields. If they are shielded to stop radiation from getting out then their radiation doesn't affect us.
QuoteWhy did you not keep watching whe you was aware that a Moble Phone was also mentioned in the sceneio that you seemed to descibe. ? ie the sheilding and that the radiation does not get out..
Because the way he said it made me think he was not being honest.
QuoteDoes radiation get sealed or out of a Mobile phone ? in a similar comparision ?
No, if the radiation from a mobile phone was blocked they wouldn't be able to work.
QuoteIt was often suggested that Mobile Phones were a danger to us.. so I assume there is some radiation that comes from
the mobile phone.. and its not sealed in the same ways as a mic oven..
or does the radiation come with the microwaves and just surround us when we use a mobile phone..
If so or not whats the difference ?
The frequencies cell phones use can be dangerous,
but not with the amount of power used by cell phones. Older phones worked with higher power transmissions, but when studies started appearing showing that they could be harmful the makers reduced the power to reduce the probability of negative effects on the users, as they weren't interested in being sued.
Quoteor have you now considered anything different since reading my prior post.. which so far I am not sure if my made you consider anything differently..
although I can see that from your other points / comments it has not changed your view or maybe made you consider some other things differently.. I dont think !
I didn't change my mind. :)
QuoteFrom what I read you seem to have a fair understanding in this topic now...
but you dont see enough to still fully convince you...
so you seem to have done some quite indepth detective research...
I haven't made much research, but I studied electricity in high school (3 years), and although I didn't have any classes about radio I have read about in books and magazines about electronics (I have two courses on electronics, those paid by the EU many years ago to help develop the technological side of countries just after joining the EU).
QuoteNot sure which telecom companies are using or plan to use (If some may alter to 60 Ghz) but I also thought that one concern was the China telecom Co Huawei that planned to use it and thats maybe the main thing that raised this concern.
Huawei is a equipment maker, not a telecoms company. They make the equipment and IT related companies use. At work, our telecom and Internet provider is Vodafone, and the equipment they installed was from Huawei.
Quotemaybe : The angular momentum or spin speed of the electron probably alters and this may effect the binding...[/b]
Maybe, but I doubt it, as if that happens it would have been noticed a long time ago, as that frequency has been in use for many years.
QuoteIn ref to my last prior comment above .. that the atoms spin effect may stop it binding with the hemoglobin..
could be the issue... BUT just HOW severe it can effect the binding... Maybe it just has some medium effect rather than a full effect.. and thats why those people did not turn fully Blue...
If they do not turn blue then they do not need to have a tube inserted in their trachea to help them breath, I have lived many years with difficulty breathing and only needed to go to the hospital 5 or 6 times in the last 52 years.
QuoteNOW its interesting that you seem to agree with that ...BUT you may question other things we had discussed of other Drs / scientists companies etc where you dont seem to accept for certain cases that could do similar..ie take bribes and pay offs to go along with either big biz or Govts for corrupt purposes etc..
I do not agree with that because they would need to bribe many thousands of people, and we would only need one that speaks about it (with evidences) to bring it all down.
Quoteso why agree with that and not some of the other simialar things that we discussed or that A.J has suggested on numerous occasions... in which often say that you dont believe him on many a similar thing hes referred to.
I agree that 60GHz was not tested on the conditions they are going to be used by cell phones, so I think testing it first is better than reaching the conclusion that it is dangerous after some years of use. But that doesn't mean I have to believe unrelated things. :)
QuoteMaybe only mainly the larger main Countries .. not all !
Well, the largest countries are China and India. :)
Quote from: Ellirium113 on May 11, 2020, 12:12:03 PM
Did it ever occur to anyone our common RADAR has been using these frequencies for years... NO ONE HAS DIED FROM IT!
https://www.radartutorial.eu/07.waves/Waves%20and%20Frequency%20Ranges.en.html (https://www.radartutorial.eu/07.waves/Waves%20and%20Frequency%20Ranges.en.html)
It was mentioned on the
The Truth About 5G thread but not on this one. :)
Quote from: astr0144 on May 11, 2020, 01:39:15 PM
For Telecom companies that use either other signals or 5 G . does radar not effect them in some way would you think ?
or could they have some way to block it ?
The atmosphere does the blocking. The 60 GHz frequency radio can only go a short distance (a couple of km at most, but usually less than that), so while it's used on radar it's not used on long distance radar, so, unless they put 5G antennas working at 60 GHz close to a 60 GHz radar I don't think they will have problems.
QuoteIf Radar is similar to Microwave 5g in wave type... As radar waves hits objects and bounces off and returns...or thats the impression I think I presently visualise...
Then im not sure how it compares. or maybe affected.
I wonder if they use something like this ! may interfere with the Mobile masts or dishes or what ever.
or is this just for effecting the return signal to the radar and not the output signal that may interfere with Mobile masts.
I don't understand what you mean by thins. ???
QuoteIt will probably be the transmitter that sends the signals out.
Cell phones are transmitters and receivers, as are the antennas, otherwise the communication would be in one direction only.
I found an interesting study on the effects of microwaves on human biology, here (https://www.cambridge.org/core/services/aop-cambridge-core/content/view/S1759078711000122).
Quote from: astr0144 on May 11, 2020, 01:39:15 PM
Seems a valid point...and certainly of interest.
I know very little in ref to Radar...only what Ive seen / experienced in films on TV or on some ships or at an airport.
fansongecho may know more as I think he worked with Radar !
If anything I thought that it maybe with the Radio Frequency area while the Mobile networks or system was to do with Microwave part of the spectrum. Did not think that they may overlap.
I dont think I have ever seen it referred to or spelt out in a EMF chart where usually you see eg from Radio, micowave, Light (IR / UV ), X Ray and Gamma.
(http://www.swiftrunnerministries.com/resources/My%20EMF%20chart.png.opt860x430o0%2C0s860x430.png)
but it seems Radar is on this chart and comes towards the Radio / Microwave area
(https://th.bing.com/th/id/OIP.0d1I1qYxdpJ-G4Jjk-lc3wHaFj?pid=Api&rs=1)
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-UvCLgmB_H-E/TVXyPAnD9xI/AAAAAAAAAus/IQ21G_cjcsg/s1600/Electromagnetic_Spectrum_Full_Chart.jpg
In the chart it shows mobile phones ranging on the other or old system I assume between 900mhz and 2.4 ghz
and radar at 1 to 100 / 130 Ghz.
For Telecom companies that use either other signals or 5 G . does radar not effect them in some way would you think ?
or could they have some way to block it ?
Telecom channels are encrypted that is why you can't simply use internet with any device that does not get the encryption key through the ISP. They only look at the encrypted packets on that wave not the others this is how multiple devices work off the same frequencies. They use a sort of pulse width modulation between different encrypted packets.
Quote
On one of the later videos that was being discussed about magnetbiology... it referred to certain things that can effect it.. like trees and other types of objects...
If Radar is similar to Microwave 5g in wave type... As radar waves hits objects and bounces off and returns...or thats the impression I think I presently visualise...
Then im not sure how it compares. or maybe affected.
I wonder if they use something like this ! may interfere with the Mobile masts or dishes or what ever.
or is this just for effecting the return signal to the radar and not the output signal that may interfere with Mobile masts.
It will probably be the transmitter that sends the signals out.
https://www.radartutorial.eu/08.transmitters/Radar%20Transmitter.en.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radar_jamming_and_deception
another radar link that gives some brief descriptions.
https://www.who.int/peh-emf/publications/facts/fs226/en/
Radar waves will have no effect on the other forms of communication as it is all on separate channels. If you used a general receiver of some sort that listens to everything it would be quite a mess of distorted signals. This is the same reason you can not listen to regular a regular CB radio and pick up channels running on private crystals with the same sort of radios. The private crystal radios will use a specific frequency that other devices are not using. The 60 Ghz will use digital signal in encrypted. The video below can explain FAR better than I can.
Incidentally The 5G Routers will put out FAR more power than the 5G phones. I have had one beside me for years now and I have yet to drop dead or get COVID, or any other sickness from it. My skin is not burnt. I like to think my mind works perfectly fine (but some days I have my doubts...LOL). Ideally the service providers want to use the lower end of the spectrum as they travel further.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-gGeAe-PJA
An article from 2001 that explains how the oxygen attenuation of the 60 GHz frequency helps reduce interference between different sources.
Fixed Wireless Communications at 60GHz Unique Oxygen Absorption Properties (https://www.rfglobalnet.com/doc/fixed-wireless-communications-at-60ghz-unique-0001)
After doing a certain ammount of attempted research and quesioning on this topic ,I m not sure if I am much wiser..???
I am still not sure what to make of everything researched or discussed so far with the 5g / 60 Ghz / Corona Virus threat concerning theory...it maybe we are not really greatly wiser or convinced one way or another.
from various videos from suggested experts who I assume some of the speakers are Scientists or Engineers or have high knowledge of the things that they discuss in the video.
and then we have our reseach and discussions of members which some have certain more knowledge in some of the related areas / topics. and then we have the Conspiracists with the likes of Alex Jones and his associates theories and suggestions. and finally the TV media and Politictionns
QuoteOther things do not emit electromagnetic radiation with that power level, so they are not dangerous. Also, lower frequencies are less dangerous, and a toothbrush probably only emits at 50 or 60 Hz, the frequency of the socket to which they may be connected or the frequency related to the rotation speed of the motor or other actuator (like in the case of ultrasound).
So How would the EMF Radiation vary between a Cell Phone and Microwave oven ? / and in ref to Power levels ?
I can visulise a toothbrush having to have less power and radiations threat effect... A Microwave oven is larger item and maybe seen to require more power and its radiation effect could seem more of a threat if not sealed as such.... BUT I am NOT sure how a Cell / Mobile Phone may compare... as small as they maybe in size.... I am not really sure how much power their batteries produce or what radiation effect that they maybe having... or exactly how the radiation effect relates to the phone... if it recieves a microwave signal and emits one when in use to the same or different degree...
or if radition signal is just all around if its sent to the phone..
QuoteNo, I just mentioned that I stopped watching because the man was saying that microwave ovens affect our magnetic fields. If they are shielded to stop radiation from getting out then their radiation doesn't affect us.
Ok he may had made a mistake in ref to the Mic Oven... but was his other items not worth being considered to continue to watch further as later the speakers go into the more indepth detail.
Im not sure if you later have rewatched the rest of it...and if so... did any of it add any further interest or concerns to what they were explaining ? or if you did watch has not altered your view ?
QuoteBecause the way he said it made me think he was not being honest.
As said before (above)... Maybe he made a mistake on that item... but he continues to refer to Mobile Phone which is what we are researching..
QuoteNo, if the radiation from a mobile phone was blocked they wouldn't be able to work.
From what you say...I assume that a Mobile Phone is NOT sealed in the same way as a Microwave oven... and as it both receives and sends out signals...and it relates to radiation which I assume is the Microwave EMF.. How Much concern or difference would you say could the radiation be and is it varying in relation to both receiving the Mic EMF and transmitting it in any way or would that be about the same level either way ?
As I note you mentioned Older Mobiles V newer ones and how they have reduced the threat of radiation...
QuoteThe frequencies cell phones use can be dangerous, but not with the amount of power used by cell phones. Older phones worked with higher power transmissions, but when studies started appearing showing that they could be harmful the makers reduced the power to reduce the probability of negative effects on the users, as they weren't interested in being sued.
I think that explain my prior question
QuoteI didn't change my mind. :)
QuoteI haven't made much research, but I studied electricity in high school (3 years), and although I didn't have any classes about radio I have read about in books and magazines about electronics (I have two courses on electronics, those paid by the EU many years ago to help develop the technological side of countries just after joining the EU).
Interesting that you studied it in how you describe and have some fair knowledge of it..or it seems maybe more than
many..inc me.. I have had some education in the past on it but parts hard to understand or follow to be confident with it.
if I take time and work on it and get an interest in it enough.. while I am on top of it I can sort of follow some of it..
but once I stop doing so... weeks or months later.... Ive forgot it to some degree and would struggle recalling it of hand.
but parts I get reminded about and can recall parts at times.. that applies to a lot of things with me.
Some people just have very recall memory and seem to learn it once and can then understand or apply it much better.
they are the lucky or gifted ones who who dont seem to struggle as much..
QuoteHuawei is a equipment maker, not a telecoms company. They make the equipment and IT related companies use. At work, our telecom and Internet provider is Vodafone, and the equipment they installed was from Huawei.
I was not sure prior to this exactly sure what Huawei did... However as they are Chinese.. and may not provide a telecom network service.. could they join up with one say major related Chinese
one..or would that even matter...if other main networks were convinced of any agenda thru what ever means to consider dealing with them. ...other than just offering its product to the world or whoever and having other telecom networks connect to use their equipment..
such was what was indicated here ..
With the development of 5G wireless networks, there have been calls from the U.S. to prevent the use of products by Huawei or fellow Chinese telecommunications company ZTE by the U.S.
QuoteMaybe, but I doubt it, as if that happens it would have been noticed a long time ago, as that frequency has been in use for many years.
But could the 5 G / 60 Ghz have some slight variation that makes the valid difference along what the Conspiricists are suggesting.
QuoteIf they do not turn blue then they do not need to have a tube inserted in their trachea to help them breath, I have lived many years with difficulty breathing and only needed to go to the hospital 5 or 6 times in the last 52 years.
But do they need to turn blue to actually faint ? and if it was doing this to them... and they were taken to hospital and suggested to have the virus...if the system is or were faking it..they could still make out that the patient needed a tube inserted...
But I surpose another major point is that it does not happen to all of them ... I assume ... and the video for some reason has just shown a couple of egs...Has there been enough ref / evidence to suggest its occurring on a larger scale ??? Id rather doubt it addmittedly.
QuoteI do not agree with that because they would need to bribe many thousands of people, and we would only need one that speaks about it (with evidences) to bring it all down.
They may not need to bribe thousands... just those who are in charge .for certain things....
I mean you agreed about the Health scandles referred to in the magneticbiologyvideo.. HOW many peole were involved in that as just that eg... NUMEROUS ! that mainly went along with those few that were the leaders in charge who made the decisions... ..as the workers or who ever follow what they are told and often things can get covered up...
Hence similar things I could believe could occur in others types of various organisations...
It would be a case those at the Top who may planning what ever they have in mind if for eg to control the health system... they in turn tell the directors or managers...
and thay may only be given certain information depending whats required... and the manager setc pass down instruction to the other levels / workers etc etc.
If One Big organisaton could do such a thing... I believe its possible many others could as well..
I suspose its a bit like the Nasa moonlanding Conspiricy that we have discussed in the past... in how so many departments involved just do certain things in says creating various parts
or doing various types of jobs related ot connected to it...
but only a few people would know whats really could be going on...
Im saying that I agree NASA M.Ls was faked ... but i think we did agree that often many things could had been possible..if operated..
it would depend on the agenda..
Its the same thing with Policticians... do they tell us the truths about many things...Not always IMO... they cover thing up..and they are the suggested leaders we are led to believe to trust.. and how many in various Countries have been found corrupt...in the past ... although some in the 1st world have been harder to fully prove..
look at all the dirty tricks that have been suggested in the US elections... is not a potential similar thing that could go on if there is a cover up...
It may only take a certain % of various top leader type people who may support such an agenda say from the Bilderbergers if they are able to influence such people to along with their agendas... if we are to believe that the
theories behind Bilderberg is true ?
QuoteI agree that 60GHz was not tested on the conditions they are going to be used by cell phones, so I think testing it first is better than reaching the conclusion that it is dangerous after some years of use. But that doesn't mean I have to believe unrelated things. :)
QuoteWell, the largest countries are China and India. :)
In ref to you bringing up Radar E113... and you informing us how it compared...and that Radar has never killed anyone
I think from reading your comments that you gave some explanations as to how other things may not seem effected.
to allow them to continue to work.
I think that I can understand how encryption can work...and that it maybe on seperate channels but I maybe not fully clear in considering that the effects of radar do not cause some sort of issue with 5 G....
and the fact that you brought it up.. I was thinking that may mean that 5G should be very similar and therefore be no threat...
Im not sure if you had the answers after your initial related post that informed us or if since you have go on to research and consider some further answers to offer explanations...
Based on what you have said.. do you still think that the threat with 5 G is unlikely to exist ?
other than that some of your points ...Would also you see maybe ArMaPs basic description below may offer another simple explanation ?
ArMaP
QuoteThe atmosphere does the blocking. The 60 GHz frequency radio can only go a short distance (a couple of km at most, but usually less than that), so while it's used on radar it's not used on long distance radar, so, unless they put 5G antennas working at 60 GHz close to a 60 GHz radar I don't think they will have problems.
Ellirium113
QuoteTelecom channels are encrypted that is why you can't simply use internet with any device that does not get the encryption key through the ISP. They only look at the encrypted packets on that wave not the others this is how multiple devices work off the same frequencies. They use a sort of pulse width modulation between different encrypted packets
QuoteRadar waves will have no effect on the other forms of communication as it is all on separate channels. If you used a general receiver of some sort that listens to everything it would be quite a mess of distorted signals. This is the same reason you can not listen to regular a regular CB radio and pick up channels running on private crystals with the same sort of radios. The private crystal radios will use a specific frequency that other devices are not using. The 60 Ghz will use digital signal in encrypted. The video below can explain FAR better than I can.
Incidentally The 5G Routers will put out FAR more power than the 5G phones. I have had one beside me for years now and I have yet to drop dead or get COVID, or any other sickness from it. My skin is not burnt. I like to think my mind works perfectly fine (but some days I have my doubts...LOL). Ideally the service providers want to use the lower end of the spectrum as they travel further.
Quote from: Ellirium113 on May 11, 2020, 12:12:03 PM
Did it ever occur to anyone our common RADAR has been using these frequencies for years... NO ONE HAS DIED FROM IT!
https://www.radartutorial.eu/07.waves/Waves%20and%20Frequency%20Ranges.en.html (https://www.radartutorial.eu/07.waves/Waves%20and%20Frequency%20Ranges.en.html)
https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/policy/navy/nrtc/14089_ch4.pdf
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/radio-frequency-radiation-may-cause-cancer-israeli-study-suggests-1.5918197
http://www.bbc.co.uk/insideout/yorkslincs/series3/radiation_RAF_radar_yorkshire_health_cancer_fears_risk.shtml
https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/benjamin-netanyahu-suggests-to-microchip-kids-slammed-by-experts-627381
https://www.theportugalnews.com/news/trees-to-be-implanted-with-microchips/50951
Dogs, trees, what next?
In all places, fancy that.
Kevin
Alex Joness video channel is back up..
He has another video I intend to watch where he claims chipping is coming to us all.. and that this virus is leading to it I think thru the vaccine...
This is one thing that I want to try to make a judgement on...as it could happen quite soon if they alrady have it in place ..
Theres no doubt with Alex Jones..his media channels are now high tech and his broadcasts give variable effective looking backgound that him look like a very rich modern studio ...
and his commentry now I think is a bit over the top not to mention his advertising breaks and comments..
I am still not sure if hes legit or employed by whoever maybe planning what he claims..
but he claims to have a quite a lot of evidence that Chipping is coming...
and would not doubt its highly possible.
but hes going on about having a huge deduction in population ...of millins / billion... in ref to the Georgia guide stones
to leave 500 mill or whatever the figure was..
How are whoever remains going to deal with all that
He also makes ref to how we are being asked to to use these tracking apps for this virus...
where they are saying its to test who has the virus or who we could come in contact with..
but he reckens its part of getting us to accept chipping...which it certainly could be...
He says over 10,000 Swedes have now agreed to this...for free bus rides..
Will other Countries ofer this to get the populace to start going along with it..?
Theres also ref to threatening people who use what they see as inappropiate speech.. to do with the virus either in China or maybe USA and other things and getting people to report each other... Similar to what the Nazis did..
and the authorities investigating...
How many would they have to employ to deal with this ?
One problem now is people can easily record things on Mobile phones..so they see this as proof.
whats it coming too..
In the Uk and maybe other Countries..
The Govt had laid down a set of rules and had asked the public to follow them..with only suggesting we could go out for food when needed and exercise 1 hr a day..and that we could not visit anyone...or travel very far from our homes unless itwas essental.
Then yesterday.. they tell us that they have got the virus threat down due to lockdown and have altered some of the rules.... and now will allow us to met up with an associate or other family member who lives elsewhere... but only one at a time.. and ideallly outside as they say research shows the virus less threat outside ... which I think many of us already had considered.
Then the next thing you know... the news sasy China may now have a 2nd wave or new threat..
so I wonder what may happen next... or is still part of their plan if Jones is correct...where thet may play along with us ..
It now seems they are saying that they could have a vaccine in place in a few months maybe by Sept..
The Economist - Homepage
Quote
Bjorn Cyborg
Why Swedes are inserting microchips into their bodies
No more worries about losing your wallet—but plenty about privacy
Europe
Aug 2nd 2018 edition
Aug 2nd 2018
ON SOME Swedish trains, passengers carry their e-tickets in their hands—literally. About 3,000 Swedes have opted to insert grain-of-rice-sized microchips beneath the skin between their thumbs and index fingers. The chips, which cost around $150, can hold personal details, credit-card numbers and medical records. They rely on Radio Frequency ID (RFID), a technology already used in payment cards, tickets and passports.
By one estimate there are 10,000 cyborgs with chip implants around the world. Sweden, home to several microchip companies, has the largest share. Fifty employees of Three Square Market, a Wisconsin-based firm, volunteered to receive chip implants that can be used to pay at vending machines and log in to computers. Individuals can order do-it-yourself kits, which come with sterilisation tools and a needle to inject the device, or attend "implant parties", where a professional gives chips to a group. Sometimes they get T-shirts that say "I got chipped".[/b]
https://www.economist.com/europe/2018/08/02/why-swedes-are-inserting-microchips-into-their-bodies
It seems we got away from the virus again.
Quote from: astr0144 on May 12, 2020, 12:28:39 PM
So How would the EMF Radiation vary between a Cell Phone and Microwave oven ? / and in ref to Power levels ?
A microwave oven emits around 700 W of radiation power, while a cell phone, at most, around 2 W.
QuoteI can visulise a toothbrush having to have less power and radiations threat effect... A Microwave oven is larger item and maybe seen to require more power and its radiation effect could seem more of a threat if not sealed as such.... BUT I am NOT sure how a Cell / Mobile Phone may compare... as small as they maybe in size.... I am not really sure how much power their batteries produce or what radiation effect that they maybe having... or exactly how the radiation effect relates to the phone... if it recieves a microwave signal and emits one when in use to the same or different degree...
Cell phones receive a weak microwave radio signal and emit a a microwave signal back to the antenna that will convert it into some other signal (radio, electricity for common copper cables or light for fibre optics.
Quoteor if radition signal is just all around if its sent to the phone..
Today's cell phones are surrounded by radiation and are always "looking" for a signal that has its ID, so he can act on that signal and receive a call or message.
5G, using the 60 GHz frequency, can use directional antennas that, after receiving a signal from the phone can send the radiation directly in that direction, reducing the power needed to communicate with that phone and the possible interference from other radio signals at that frequency.
QuoteOk he may had made a mistake in ref to the Mic Oven... but was his other items not worth being considered to continue to watch further as later the speakers go into the more indepth detail.
I'm not interested in the other items because they do not transmit microwave radiation.
QuoteIm not sure if you later have rewatched the rest of it...and if so... did any of it add any further interest or concerns to what they were explaining ? or if you did watch has not altered your view ?
I didn't watch the rest.
QuoteFrom what you say...I assume that a Mobile Phone is NOT sealed in the same way as a Microwave oven... and as it both receives and sends out signals...and it relates to radiation which I assume is the Microwave EMF.. How Much concern or difference would you say could the radiation be and is it varying in relation to both receiving the Mic EMF and transmitting it in any way or would that be about the same level either way ?
I'm not sure about what it is that you are referring to. If it's a comparison between the radiation from a microwave oven and a cell phone then, even if the frequency is the same, the oven emits at a power level that is around 300 times that of a cell phone.
QuoteSome people just have very recall memory and seem to learn it once and can then understand or apply it much better.
they are the lucky or gifted ones who who dont seem to struggle as much..
I'm lucky in that aspect, as I do have a relatively good memory. :)
QuoteWith the development of 5G wireless networks, there have been calls from the U.S. to prevent the use of products by Huawei or fellow Chinese telecommunications company ZTE by the U.S.
Part of that comes from the hatred the US has toward China, part from a commercial point of view and part from an espionage point of view. The problem is that most equipment makers didn't start making 5G equipment, so now Huawei has almost all the equipment available. Some countries, fearing that China can do the same the US and other "western" countries did in the past (and are obviously doing now) fears that the equipment comes preloaded with some kind of "backdoor" to allow the Chinese government/military/whatever to spy on the communications that go through their equipment.
Refusing to accept Chinese equipment gives an opportunity to the non Chinese companies that were slow to start adopting 5G. It also gives an opportunity for the western governments/military/whoever to do their own eavesdropping through their equipment.
QuoteBut do they need to turn blue to actually faint ? and if it was doing this to them... and they were taken to hospital and suggested to have the virus...if the system is or were faking it..they could still make out that the patient needed a tube inserted...
If, as said, they were fainting from lack of oxygen, the turning blue would be a consequence of the lack of oxygen, and it would appear before the fainting, as would breathing in short, fast breaths, most likely accompanied by a rising of the shoulders to try to expand the lungs (I did that many times during my asthma attacks).
QuoteBut I surpose another major point is that it does not happen to all of them ... I assume ... and the video for some reason has just shown a couple of egs...Has there been enough ref / evidence to suggest its occurring on a larger scale ??? Id rather doubt it addmittedly.
That's one example of something that we cannot know and they do not explicitly say: how many cases happened? They imply that they were many and that the cause was lack of oxygen, but we see three or four and the one we see moving shows no signs of difficulty breathing. As far as we know they could have been only those cases, and the reasons for the fainting could be many.
QuoteThey may not need to bribe thousands... just those who are in charge .for certain things....
I mean you agreed about the Health scandles referred to in the magneticbiologyvideo..
I did? Where? ???
QuoteHOW many peole were involved in that as just that eg... NUMEROUS ! that mainly went along with those few that were the leaders in charge who made the decisions... ..as the workers or who ever follow what they are told and often things can get covered up...
It's not a question of bribing the leaders, as they would need to bribe the people working with the patients, the leaders rarely go near the patients.
QuoteI suspose its a bit like the Nasa moonlanding Conspiricy that we have discussed in the past... in how so many departments involved just do certain things in says creating various parts
or doing various types of jobs related ot connected to it...
but only a few people would know whats really could be going on...
This case is different, as the people that are in contact with the patients are many, so it would be very difficult to hide it from doctors, nurses, auxiliary staff and families.
QuoteIt may only take a certain % of various top leader type people who may support such an agenda say from the Bilderbergers if they are able to influence such people to along with their agendas... if we are to believe that the
theories behind Bilderberg is true ?
Well, I don't believe the Bilderberg is what they say what it is, both the organisers and the conspiracy theorists, I think it's most likely something in between, with the powerful discussing how they can maintain their power without the population knowing, but that power they have is not as much as the conspiracies say.
Quote from: kevin on May 12, 2020, 03:01:54 PM
https://www.theportugalnews.com/news/trees-to-be-implanted-with-microchips/50951
Dogs, trees, what next?
In all places, fancy that.
Kevin
If they are used only as electronic tags to store information I don't have a problem with it, but if they are intending to use it for more than that they are going to have problems.
Quote from: astr0144 on May 12, 2020, 03:17:52 PM
Alex Joness video channel is back up..
No surprises there, the site didn't stop working.
QuoteTheres no doubt with Alex Jones..his media channels are now high tech and his broadcasts give variable effective looking backgound that him look like a very rich modern studio ...
Other people's fear is his what gives him money.
Quoteand his commentry now I think is a bit over the top not to mention his advertising breaks and comments..
To get even more people to be afraid and buying into what he says. Business as usual.
QuoteI am still not sure if hes legit or employed by whoever maybe planning what he claims..
I think he just wants to make money, with no further hidden agenda.
Quotebut hes going on about having a huge deduction in population ...of millins / billion... in ref to the Georgia guide stones
to leave 500 mill or whatever the figure was..
That's just silly, how would all the rich and powerful get their riches and power? That would be killing the golden eggs chicken (was it a chicken?).
QuoteHe also makes ref to how we are being asked to to use these tracking apps for this virus...
where they are saying its to test who has the virus or who we could come in contact with..
Here in Portugal there's a phone application for that, several people have already joined this new "fashion".
QuoteTheres also ref to threatening people who use what they see as inappropiate speech.. to do with the virus either in China or maybe USA and other things and getting people to report each other... Similar to what the Nazis did..
and the authorities investigating...
How many would they have to employ to deal with this ?
Not many, people do that on their own, they just have to see the other person as not being part of "their side" of the problem. That's why information is important, as it can make people think, and thinking can make people make conclusions and understand that what's happening is not what they tell us.
QuoteOne problem now is people can easily record things on Mobile phones..so they see this as proof.
Cell phone makers (and probably governments) can do that easily, turning on their phones' microphone and camera without the users knowing.
Quote from: kevin on May 12, 2020, 02:41:23 PM
https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/policy/navy/nrtc/14089_ch4.pdf
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/radio-frequency-radiation-may-cause-cancer-israeli-study-suggests-1.5918197
http://www.bbc.co.uk/insideout/yorkslincs/series3/radiation_RAF_radar_yorkshire_health_cancer_fears_risk.shtml
https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/benjamin-netanyahu-suggests-to-microchip-kids-slammed-by-experts-627381
Like with most things, the doses are important.
I remember reading many years ago of a man that was working on an antenna for intercontinental communications (I think it was a short wave antenna). I don't remember if he was working on the wrong antenna or if they turned the antenna on when they shouldn't, but the result was that the men ended up dying from the radiation. One of those antennas probably work with
Good bye all....
I don't think I'll be back..I need a change.
Well, just be safe, then, and good luck. :)
Thanks for your replies ArMaP and comments..
Thanks for your technical guidence
I dont think it has has changed certain views much on certain things...or things are worth replying too much further..
unless theres an impression that some sort of concern in relation to what we discussed.
Few other members have made any coments to add..
Maybe this topic has had its time... if members are so bored... or it needs a break for now...
I dont think we are going to really conclude on 5 G or of AJs conspiracy...
unless you think its worth continueing on..
I think some people are getting discouraged as this topic is completely off the rails. 5G and AJ conpiricies should move to a new thred to allow for this one to continue discussions around the virus.
Quote from: Ellirium113 on May 13, 2020, 01:29:38 PM
I think some people are getting discouraged as this topic is completely off the rails. 5G and AJ conpiricies should move to a new thred to allow for this one to continue discussions around the virus.
Agreed.
There was a thread about 5G that Thor had started so discussion should be moved to that thread.
This whole corona virus is so over blown. In saying that I feel bad for the folks that are coming down with it.
But to kill the economy, lock people down, and implement martial law in many locations points towards a separate agenda of surveillance, vaccinations, and ultimate goal of chipping the masses.
All government leaders in different countries around the world are all saying and doing basically the same thing, and taking their marching orders from the WHO. Look at who influences WHO, and you will find China and Bill Gates. Fauci in the US is involved, as is T Tam here in Canada. Many people think they are all doing a great job. Sorry I have to disagree.
It may be better if a thread was about 60 ghz.
I have started to notice something here in the UK which has Me even more concerned and it is fish stocks with white spot.
The parasite that causes this is in most water ways and fish tanks, but it is when the fish's immune system is stressed that the parasite gets it's chance.
Oxygen depletion is the stress.
Kevin
Please move any further 5G discussion to a new thread unless it is 100% relevant to COVID-19.
Back on topic...
"We Sent Them Samples Of A Goat, A Papaya & A Pheasant": Tanzanian President Catches WHO In Epic Lie QuoteAs the number of confirmed coronavirus cases explodes across Africa, the creeping involvement of the WHO has made some leaders suspicious of the NGO. Tanzanian President John Magufuli was growing suspicious of the organization, so he reportedly decided to investigate whether the organization was as trustworthy and reliable as it claimed to be.
He played what the local press described as "a trick" on the organization: He sent the WHO samples of a goat, a papaya and a quail for testing.
All three samples reportedly tested positive. When the president heard the news, he reportedly confronted the WHO, then kicked the organization out of the country. Though, to be sure, the WHO has yet to comment on the situation.
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/we-sent-them-samples-goat-papaya-pheasant-tanzanian-president-catches-who-epic-lie (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/we-sent-them-samples-goat-papaya-pheasant-tanzanian-president-catches-who-epic-lie)
The bought and paid for MSM in the US definately won't be telling this story.
And how many more lies are the WHO telliing.
Quote from: Ellirium113 on May 13, 2020, 10:25:31 PM
"We Sent Them Samples Of A Goat, A Papaya & A Pheasant": Tanzanian President Catches WHO In Epic Lie https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/we-sent-them-samples-goat-papaya-pheasant-tanzanian-president-catches-who-epic-lie (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/we-sent-them-samples-goat-papaya-pheasant-tanzanian-president-catches-who-epic-lie)
Does the WHO test samples sent by countries? I never heard about it.
In ref to the Corona Virus,
Appologies if I upset the thread E113 / SpaceMav. (I now realise you started the thread ! )
and maybe not sure what to write from now on..
I dont really understand on some things that some of the Conspiracist may say is that much of a concern..
as only the likes of them over alterative views or facts..
and I some of the facts they give are often valid and worth checking out.
They point many past facts from other similar viruses and how these so called experts had made their predications
or what they suggested were needed to do... and nearly in every case they have proven wrong.
On a TV popular program this morning... in the UK.... where they have amain top Doctor advsor... who said there has only ever been one Virus completely eradicated thru out .history.. I think he may had said Small pox..
this link gives one more (Rinderpest ) or ones that have almost been eradiacted..
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eradication_of_infectious_diseases
this one ask you to accpt cookies.. but you can read some parts without doing so..if you scroll.
https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/infectious-diseases-that-have-been-globally-eradicated.html
So generally do vaccines work ?
However
I may be wrong it hard to find many alternative views other that the likes of A.Jones or David Icke.
and what they are saying now is challenging what we are being told by the media.
They now make a lot of claims to suggest the whole thing has been B.S...in terms of its suggested seriousness.
Thats not to say some sort of CV19 may exist..
and that a lot of the people being included in the figures given to us include death rates from other means...
The UK is still allowing people to come into the Country from all over yet most other countries are having isolation periods or at least some sort of checks on anyone entering their country. even if its just peoples temperature.
It was suggested that Japan prevented early on anyone entering their country and have much larger population than the Uk... maybe about 130 Million...and ony has about 700 deaths in total.. V over 32,000 deaths in the U.K that has a population of 66 million. (Its also suggested if they include carehome deaths in the UK that total is over 50,000 deaths )
I think a large majority of others Countries leaders have a lot to answer for if it is a geniune serious virus
JAPAN CV19
Updated 14 May at 13:07 local
Confirmed
16,103
+54
Deaths = 696+18
Recovered
9,868
+948
https://inews.co.uk/news/coronavirus-japan-deaths-cases-covid-19-lockdown-measures-why-measures-2521139
The Uk now has slacked off in quite a lot of ways... and the worry now if still if the threat is still existing..
that there could be a stage 2 occurring soon.
David Icke is saying that he has had many Nurses and Drs contacting him saying people are being killed diliberately
who dont have any virus and that Many Drs or those who in relevant positions who query or know whats going on or question to the media or Policitions are being silienced or cencered...and that and that most of the law / Police are having to go along with being hussed up ..or act in ways that they are disaproving of.
If its true about Bill Gates and his Vaccines... where they also say he has another type of new vaccine that does not need injecting... it is utterly very very disturbing..
The media / internet main companies like FB, Google etc are now managing to block many things that is is attempted to be posted or reported on it.
On a Negaitive Concern about Alex Jones..
He just posted some videos to do with Project Bluebeam and an Alien Invasion along interviewing Dr Steven Greer.
That is rather concerning for his Credibility !
Although if everything he claims is true... that they also maybe going to try to deceive us all with that as well...
Quote from: Ellirium113 on May 13, 2020, 01:29:38 PM
I think some people are getting discouraged as this topic is completely off the rails. 5G and AJ conpiricies should move to a new thred to allow for this one to continue discussions around the virus.
Quote from: astr0144 on May 14, 2020, 01:20:47 PM
So generally do vaccines work ?
They do. Although only one human virus has been eradicated, the percentage of people catching diseases for which there are vaccines has been reduced.
QuoteI may be wrong it hard to find many alternative views other that the likes of A.Jones or David Icke.
and what they are saying now is challenging what we are being told by the media.
The problem is that some people like to contradict the official version, regardless of it being false or not, just so they can be on the opposite side.
QuoteThey now make a lot of claims to suggest the whole thing has been B.S...in terms of its suggested seriousness.
Thats not to say some sort of CV19 may exist..
and that a lot of the people being included in the figures given to us include death rates from other means...
That may happen in some cases, but in Portugal all suspect cases are tested to see if they were infected or not. Also, in some cases (like the Portuguese version of Euronews) they specifically say "CoViD-19 related deaths", they do not say that people died from it, many times people die from other diseases they already had and that got stronger (or their defences got weaker) because of CoViD-19.
QuoteThe UK is still allowing people to come into the Country from all over yet most other countries are having isolation periods or at least some sort of checks on anyone entering their country. even if its just peoples temperature.
That was the biggest error Portugal made, we took too long to close the borders.
I know a Portuguese lawyer that married an Italian man, and as she still has some pending cases in Portugal she comes back every month or so. The last time she came to Portugal was at the beginning of March, and she said that at the airport nobody asked her a thing, they just let her enter without any problems, and she was coming from the most affected area in Italy.
The first cases Portugal had were people that came back from Italy and Spain and that spread the disease to the people close to them.
QuoteThe Uk now has slacked off in quite a lot of ways... and the worry now if still if the threat is still existing..
that there could be a stage 2 occurring soon.
I have heard some people talking about a stage 2, but I think they are mostly referring to the people that didn't caught in in stage 1 getting it now.
QuoteDavid Icke is saying that he has had many Nurses and Drs contacting him saying people are being killed diliberately
who dont have any virus and that Many Drs or those who in relevant positions who query or know whats going on or question to the media or Policitions are being silienced or cencered...and that and that most of the law / Police are having to go along with being hussed up ..or act in ways that they are disaproving of.
Do you really believe that doctors and nurses are working all those hours to kill people and say nothing about it?
QuoteIf its true about Bill Gates and his Vaccines... where they also say he has another type of new vaccine that does not need injecting... it is utterly very very disturbing..
Not all vaccines need to be injected, the polio vaccine is put on the mouth, if I'm not mistaken.
I would find it hard to believe ArMaP.
David Icke is saying some Drs have been saying about it... and I also said they he had said some things are being covered up....
but I admitt its hard to imagine how they could silence so many Staff.
But I find many things very hard to believe.. that seem to have been true..
so Im not sure that this could have some truths to it..
but at the moment Its this Bill Gates theory that does make me question it..
I mean equally how could Jones put such a or his reputation to be purely lying.. esp when he has seemed to connected with Donald Trump... or has been ...I equally just dont buy it.. and as I have said before... He has convinced me to consider several things thru folowing him that I have yet to be seen disproved.
I will be certainly be questioning him and his credibility if Trump does NOT investigate Bill Gates as he has saidso I will await to see if does in the near future...
I will admitt to one main thing that concerned me about one of Jones pedictions when he was making such claims about the Clintons... and Hillary... where he was saying about her getting arrested if trump won the election..
and when he did... Trump also made ref to this.... BUT... as far as I am aware he did or has not as yet acted on it..
so things like that do leave some questionings about both AJ and DT !Not everything he says is right and yes he may be a bit a snake salesman...
but he could be doing a lot worse things.. and if he is legit , he would have to be a entrepneur to make a living and fund himself somehow.
He certainly seems to have incredible talking energy...
No doubt if he was BS to such a scale.. you would wonder why or how he is still around..
and if he is some sort of plant for whoever... which is possible... then we could also ask need he be saying anything..
and why not shut up on certain things he brings to our attention..
either way what ever of the two scenerios... they both are quite extreme.
and I believe I have seen well enough corruption in numerous things that as I say have been very hard to believe..
but maybe seem less so as we get older...
If However Alex Jones was discrediting Bill Gates and his Vaccines for some reasons to say try convince the public not to accept them... and say in reality Bill Gates is honest and right in what he may claim...
Then WHY would Jones be doing that to his followers.... who may die if dont take the vaccine if the virus really is a main threat as we had been told ..
I dont think he does what he does just for money.. I think he does it as he believe he trying to do justice to help prevent severe corruption for his family and others and his Country and humanity...which I think majority of decent people would consider.
Although he claimed in a video today that he was offered so many million to go against Trump in the Election.
in he says he declined...
but the reality is I dont think we will ever really know one way or another if he has good or bad intentions in relation
to the likes of the public..
Its hard to say if AJ has faked some of his Bill Gates videos... but if not he does show quite a few egs where Gates seems to be saying some rather weird and questionable things...that seem rather concerning..
Jones and PJ Watson / David Icke also however does discuss certain people in the UK who are classed as main Scientist , Doctors and experts / Policitions.. and has given several egs how their past claims have been horrendous..
and yet they are still in their jobs... if hes right you wonder how these people are still employed..
I can only imagine as they are puppets for whoever when lying and in mosts cases the public do not question them or understand or know any better or fear to question them ..
and usually they are experts at lying and covering up..
and the system is hard for even honest trusted experts to go up against it...and they have to question risking doing it.
as they can be made to look the fool if those opposing twist the facts...
I believe we see this a lot in many areas of life.. esp in Politics and big business etc...
Quote
Do you really believe that doctors and nurses are working all those hours to kill people and say nothing about it?
Quote from: astr0144 on May 14, 2020, 10:56:47 PM
No doubt if he was BS to such a scale.. you would wonder why or how he is still around..
Because BS is not illegal.
Quoteand if he is some sort of plant for whoever... which is possible... then we could also ask need he be saying anything..
and why not shut up on certain things he brings to our attention..
If he is some sort of plant for whoever then you can be sure that what he does is positive for their side.
I'm more inclined for him being just a shady businessman that is running is business in the best way he sees ti get more money.
QuoteThen WHY would Jones be doing that to his followers.... who may die if dont take the vaccine if the virus realy is a main threat ..
Money.
QuoteI dont think he does what he does just for money.. I think he does it as he believe he trying to do justice to help prevent severe corruption for his family and others and his Country and humanity...which I think majority of decent people would consider.
Someone that lives from his viewers fears is not to be trusted.
Quotebut the reality is I dont think we will ever really know one way or another if he has good or bad intentions in relation
to the likes of the public..
That's true, he is the only one that knows what's behind the scenes.
I decided to take a look at some statistics from the UK and in local area into Hospital death rates.
just as an initial brief excercise..
I found one webpage that gives some Hospital deaths data back from 2011.
for some reason not all main hospitals in my area are listed..
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-15897345
there a ref that may suggest that there is 148 listed but I cannot not be bother to count..but it seems over 100.
eg
An article below says that there was 168 NHS Hospitals around the UK back in 2010148 rows · 28/11/2011 · After adjustment, some hospitals still have higher than expected death ...
NHS ACUTE TRUST IN HOSPITAL +30 D... IN HOSPITAL (HSMR) LOW-RISK CONDITI...
Aintree University Ho... 111 89 1.32
Airedale NHS Found... 93 84 0.64
Ashford and St Peter'... 91 102 0.68
During a 30 day period it seems that on an average out several hospitals around the Country that the average death rates for each seems between 70 to 100 / 120 per hospital
I managed also to find some article for death rates in about 10 hospitals in my area since the Corona virus.
and so far the highest one shows about 400 deaths..
but most of the 9 others seems around 200 or lower... this was dated0 for 14th May 2020 and these figures are since the virus arrived... and what I think is maybe even for 60 to 90 days... and not just the last 30 days..
so a 400 death rate shown at the highest death rate hospital in my area... could be 200 to 133 or less a month
So If the Hospitals were faking it..or not
then are these figures greatly different from normal death rates
for some reason the two or 3 hospitals closer to my area do not seem to be publishing any information of their death rates.. or CoV 19 ones...and I suspect this applys to most hospitals in the UK..
but somehow the article that I came across the reported must have obtained the data from somewhere.
So even if there was an average of 200 deaths over a month (30 days).. thats about 6 deaths a day.
if it was averaging at 100 deaths .. that could be about 3 a day on average..
that maybe a normal death rate in hospital anyway... or maybe double if others on average are added.
Is that a lot to cover up if they place someone in charge to see the patients off...
The data does not show how many cases that there maybe.. or what % of cases Verses deaths in hospital over the periods.
I do agree however it does seem hard that they would place so many persons for each hospital if they were doing this diliberatly..
but you really never know... as who ever may employ them... could have a list of hidden secret killers..
and would a 150 or so be that many for a large organisation who may do such things.
I certainly could imagine such organisations could exist. other than just M16..
This shows some data from the UK back in March..
where it says there was about 3912 deaths in the UK
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/deathsinvolvingcovid19englandandwales/deathsoccurringinmarch2020
There were 3,912 deaths involving the coronavirus (COVID-19) that occurred in March 2020 in England and Wales; of these, 3,372 (86%) had COVID-19 assigned as the underlying cause of death
If back then you divided the 3912 deaths for the month by say 148 hospitals (but there are more not listed)
thats about 26 per hospital...over 30 days less than 1 a day per hospital
since then we have had April which we are led to believe was much worse...and we are now into mid May.
I cannot find a figure for April that is shown on a quick search that is made obvious
but this offers some info but it seems you have to download each days files..which im no prepared to do.
unless someone else can out this data ..
https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/covid-19-daily-deaths/
Found this in ref to upto around mid April
(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/04/16/12/27225286-8225185-image-a-1_1587036183948.jpg)
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8225185/Was-coronavirus-deaths-peak-WEEK-ago-Figures-suggest-April-8-lethal-day.html
so we went from about 3912 cases in March to 12800 cases by Mid April ... 2 weeks later.
about 8900 more cases in 2 weeks
so what is 12800 / 150 hospitals = 85 deaths per hospital since the start of the virus
over say last 30 days that could be about 3 deaths a day .
or maybe we could take the extra 8900 cases over that 2 week period...
divide by 148 hospitals.... 8900 / 148 = about 60 per hospital then divide say by 15 days.. thats about 4 a day more
per hospital..
but the figures since the start of the virus could be a lot less.
A Month later for May 15th... the figures have now reached 33,000 in total.
so if we take 33,000 and divide by 148 hospitals since say Jan 15th... aabout 3 months ago.
33000 / 148 = 223 per hospital over 3 months.. averaging about 75 a month
75 / 30 days = average about 2.5 deaths a day based on just 148 hospitals... of which we know there are several more.
How many Hospitals in the UK
admittedly there are various different types of hospitals... that only a certain ammount deal with Corona Virus.
The actual number, correct as at September 2019, is that there are 1,257 hospitals in the UK. This number includes the NHS Trust-managed hospitals and the additional private hospitals that are currently in use
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_hospitals_in_England
This was from 2014...just for NHS Hospitals
it seems that they have been reduced down quite a lot..
from 2300 or more if inc non NHS ones... to the 1257 that was suggested in the info above
How many NHS hospitals are there in the UK? (in 2014)= 2300
There are currently 2300 NHS hospitals in the UK. Statistics show that in 2012 the NHS employed 146,075 doctors, 369,868 qualified nursing staff, and 37,314 managers. This signifies that the number of doctors employed by the NHS has increased by an annual average of 3.4 per cent since 2002. It is interesting to know that there were 34,006 more NHS nurses in 2012 compared to ten years earlier. Needless to say, between 2002 and 2012 the NHS recruited 5,020 additional managers, an average annual increase of 1.5 per cent.
http://infomory.com/numbers/number-of-nhs-hospitals-in-the-uk/
QuoteMany people wonder how many hospitals there are in the UK. Some websites state the answer is 168, but this is far from the real picture. The "168" was merely the number of NHS England Trusts in 2010.
QuoteMany people wonder how many hospitals there are in the UK. Some websites state the answer is 168, but this is far from the real picture. The "168" was merely the number of NHS England Trusts in 2010. A trust typically manages many hospitals, therefore the number of hospitals is much larger. The eagle-eyed will also spot that the 168 represented NHS England, and of course the UK isn't just England. In addition to this, not all private hospitals are managed by NHS Trusts.
The actual number, correct as at September 2019, is that there are 1,257 hospitals in the UK. This number includes the NHS Trust-managed hospitals and the additional private hospitals that are currently in use. As of April 2020, there are also 5 temporary Nightingale Hospitals being set up in London, Bristol, Birmingham, Manchester and Harrogate to provide more beds for Coronavirus patients – however, these will close once the pandemic is under control and the additional space is no longer required.
https://www.interweavetextiles.com/how-many-hospitals-uk/
astr0144,
There may or may not be more or less deaths than normal, and I doubt that the vast majority of those working in hospitals are not doing their best to care for their patients in extreme conditions.
What I do doubt is what is causing the condition they are trying to treat .
This is a link to one of My most respected observers of nature.
https://www.water-for-health.co.uk/our-blog/2020/03/viktor-schauberger-living-water-and-lessons-from-nature/
If You look at the report cards at the bottom of hospital beds and see ..nil by mouth...it is basically the end of life due to no water.
Water carries life enabling properties, and 60 ghz is reducing this.
Look carefully at hospitals, observe the cell towers in them.
Kevin
I am not doubting that the hospital staff are not pulled ou and working extremely hard..
and there could be some geniune virus or something that is effecting patients...
All I was trying to do was explain some other facts that may give better idea how many deaths maybe actually occurring on average per day..
In ref to what you say about Water and mobile or Micowave Masts...
and what maybe seem as many end of Lifes due to lack of water... in ref to your theory.
that could possibly account for such things.
One of my relatives passed away due to what you describe..due to severe dehyration... and ended up geting an infection known as Sepstis which has recently seemed to become all of a sudden made more aware in the news...prior to that I had never heard of it.. she then ended up with weak bladder and weeing a lot..
The person unfortunatley had ended up with some mental issues and the home where she had been, stopped visitors who used to keep an eye on her and ensure she was drinking ok on knowing about her bladder issue..
when she was taken to hospital and we were told shes was severely dehydrated ..
The home could only do so much for her... but at the same time because they stopped visitors by involving social services... who made such a decision... they would not allow her visitors... and she soon ended up dying.
As one of the regular Its hard not to blame their decision..or the home...
but they said that they had to take action as the person had made some comments one of her bad days..
and they partially suggested that one of her visiters was coming too much... but they severely reduced visits to see her.
on occasions when we did.. we often found her very thirsty as if they had not given her much or enough to drink.
on one occasion I ended up offering her 3 drinks which she drank it all...
she later died in hospital and I beieve she was allowed to die.. it was very sad !
I will have to check if there was such micowave masts involved.
Quote from: kevin on May 15, 2020, 10:38:31 AM
astr0144,
There may or may not be more or less deaths than normal, and I doubt that the vast majority of those working in hospitals are not doing their best to care for their patients in extreme conditions.
What I do doubt is what is causing the condition they are trying to treat .
This is a link to one of My most respected observers of nature.
https://www.water-for-health.co.uk/our-blog/2020/03/viktor-schauberger-living-water-and-lessons-from-nature/
If You look at the report cards at the bottom of hospital beds and see ..nil by mouth...it is basically the end of life due to no water.
Water carries life enabling properties, and 60 ghz is reducing this.
Look carefully at hospitals, observe the cell towers in them.
Kevin
LONDON FALLING London coronavirus cases fall to just 24 a day with predictions it could be wiped out from capital in a fortnight.
Look what they are saying now about London ?
Are they speaking far too soon...?
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11627400/london-coronavirus-cases-virus-wiped-out/
I am fully expecting a massive return of the CONDITION.
The change of the chevrons from red to green signalled their excuse.
They will say they protected everyone whilst in a strict lockdown, but it will be our fault, not theirs when the condition returns.
This is all a PLAN DEMIC and very intelligent planning ahead is involved.
Kevin
I will be very surprised if all of a sudden things remain on green and recover without some other major issue or reversal again..
They may now be boosting the stock market .../ economy ..
but change its direction again in a few months time.
but I still think that they are playing very games with us !
How things can seem to change from one day to the next in sentment../ opinion.
Quote from: kevin on May 15, 2020, 02:12:34 PM
I am fully expecting a massive return of the CONDITION.
The change of the chevrons from red to green signalled their excuse.
They will say they protected everyone whilst in a strict lockdown, but it will be our fault, not theirs when the condition returns.
This is all a PLAN DEMIC and very intelligent planning ahead is involved.
Kevin
Alex Jones Warns Trump Against Forced COVID-19 Vaccinations.
bad news for those who oppose forced vaccines or chipping.
On listening to a new Alex Jones video... A.J is saying that President Trump is at the moment agreeing to go along with Vaccinations and Bil Gates ....
and says he is trying to educate him to not do so.
I thought that he would had done this alredy in the past if he had in his earlier days been in contact with Trump..
So NOW I am confused...
the other day he was saying Trump was going after or to question Bill Gates ..
unless its a ploy he is going along with for some reason for now..
Either that or Jones is wrong ! or to be distrusted..
But I do not want to see forced vaccinations or microchipping everyone..
and would still severely question Trump and Gates on that if they are really planning it.
https://banned.video/watch?id=5ebde730244ac5001d26aad0
astr0144, great work with those statistics. :)
Quote from: astr0144 on May 15, 2020, 11:39:44 AM
LONDON FALLING London coronavirus cases fall to just 24 a day with predictions it could be wiped out from capital in a fortnight.
From what I have seen I wouldn't be surprised if the next day the numbers grow again. Looking at the charts for whole countries those variations disappear, but at least here in Portugal (a smaller country) they are clear, as you can see below.
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/New_Cases_Portugal.png)
PS: yes, the chart goes below zero, that day they found out that several cases were reported twice. It was the second time that happened.
Thank you for your appreciation.
I know you like to statistics..
but I am not sure how you may view them in relation to what I may have been trying suggest or consider..
if for eg... I was still suggesting that maybe overall some of the Cov 19 deaths that we are led to believe
may also include normal other deaths..or of similar number.. that may roughly double the normal exectation.
or maybe for many hospitals other than the larger main city areas... the death rates may not be that high..
and if there was something going on... woud it be that hard for say a couple of hundred selected persons to
kill off some patients if their job was to aid in making the public believe if it was some sort of hoax...
or froms the effects of something like the 5G theory for eg..
The figures are only very approximate to get some sort of idea...
No doubt some of the larger busier hospitals would have a lot more to deal with... and may require more
persons involved.... again if it was being done deliberate.
BUT NOW seem to possibly have Donald Trump maybe going along with things in the USA... it would hard to think hes in it as well.
Quote from: ArMaP on May 15, 2020, 09:59:05 PM
astr0144, great work with those statistics. :)
Deaths registered weekly in England and Wales, provisional: week ending 1 May 2020
I found this that shows some updated statisical information on the UK Covid situation that shows in quite some detail
various facts of information.
If you find the chart below on the website you can place your mouse on each bar and get the facts and details
for each weeks information.
(https://www.ons.gov.uk/chartimage?uri=/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/deathsregisteredweeklyinenglandandwalesprovisional/weekending1may2020/b1502a6b)
On trying to do searchs on Bing for Covid data on two main hospitals in my area... I cannot find any facts or details..
There some ealier newspaper articles that had some facts from eary March... but updates since..
or any ref to local private forums etc who may have been discussing such a thing..
I have to wonder why ?
Alex jones has been saying how the Internet is getting more and more controlled and covered up now... and I think he is right.
Alex Jones on one of his latest videos now believes Trump is pretending to go along with the vaccines agenda..and on doing so... can maybe prevent Gates taking control of it... or thats what he claims to believe...
To take some control he is suggesting the Military and Older will be vacinatated (but maybe initially only on choice)
maybe to stop ideas of vaccinating the younger generations from the start to delay things.
Then in later he thinks by the time things have been prepared.. that he will be able to dilute the situation so it does not go ahead..
At the moment he would be under to much pressure for too many opposing parties if he did not show to do something
or to oppose it at this time.... can only hope he is right.
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/deathsregisteredweeklyinenglandandwalesprovisional/weekending1may2020
Quote from: astr0144 on May 16, 2020, 01:06:08 AM
Thank you for your appreciation.
I know you like to statistics..
I do. :)
Quotebut I am not sure how you may view them in relation to what I may have been trying suggest or consider..
if for eg... I was still suggesting that maybe overall some of the Cov 19 deaths that we are led to believe
may also include normal other deaths..or of similar number.. that may roughly double the normal exectation.
One thing I have seen is that it looks like each country has their way of counting the CoViD-19 deaths. In Portugal all suspect deaths are tested (that's probably one of the reasons Portugal is one of the countries with more tests per capita), but in other countries they only need a suspicion to put "CoViD-19" in the death certificate.
If someone wanted to increase the numbers of deaths they wouldn't need to kill people, they only needed to classify other deaths as CoViD-19 deaths to alter the statistics.
QuoteBUT NOW seem to possibly have Donald Trump maybe going along with things in the USA... it would hard to think hes in it as well.
I never understood why some people thought Donald Trump could be a presidential candidate and then be elected president if there was some huge cabal against him. As a last resort they would kill him, it wouldn't be the first time an US president was killed.
To me, specially in this CoViD-19 case, it looks like someone that is allowed to do what he wants but, in really problematic situations, has to do what he is told, like Barack Obama before him.
Good point... in what you say about how they may count some deaths as Covid elated that only maybe thought as such.. but have had not official check if thats what you have found reported ..
As I mentioned in a recent prior post...& in relation to that Alex Jones was saying similar... that he has to believe that they have been including nomal deaths in their statistics for Covid. along with my own thoughts that may well be the case.
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One thing I have seen is that it looks like each country has their way of counting the CoViD-19 deaths. In Portugal all suspect deaths are tested (that's probably one of the reasons Portugal is one of the countries with more tests per capita), but in other countries they only need a suspicion to put "CoViD-19" in the death certificate.
If someone wanted to increase the numbers of deaths they wouldn't need to kill people, they only needed to classify other deaths as CoViD-19 deaths to alter the statistics.
I also have said on and off about a similar view...in ref to D.T.
Yes I was also led to believe again From Alex Jones theories that ALL presidents have to do as they are told..
by someone or thing above them... who as has discussed on quite a few occasions on PRC in the past that many believ it to be what may describes either NWO/ Illuminati, Rothchilds etc.. or the Rich sectors..
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I never understood why some people thought Donald Trump could be a presidential candidate and then be elected president if there was some huge cabal against him. As a last resort they would kill him, it wouldn't be the first time an US president was killed.
To me, specially in this CoViD-19 case, it looks like someone that is allowed to do what he wants but, in really problematic situations, has to do what he is told, like Barack Obama before him.
.From what you say now... you give me the impression that you may now maybe have considered some of the facts and considered other possible views rather than fully believing that this Covid is what they make it out to be..
Quote from: astr0144 on May 16, 2020, 11:17:29 PM
.From what you say now... you give me the impression that you may now maybe have considered some of the facts and considered other possible views rather than fully believing that this Covid is what they make it out to be..
No, I still think what I thought before, that this is a disease created by a virus. :)
https://www.educationviews.org/1962-life-in-2022-image-depicted-everyone-trapped-in-pods/
Do You think they may have had a time machine to view 2022?
At least some things never change, the woman is not looking where's she's going ( kevin dives for cover)
Kevin
Maybe for now we have covered many of the other possibilites or theories that got considered.
but after looked at more statistics... thks for your further updated view.
Have to see now what occurs from now on. What Trump and other Countries decide to do
I assume still that if they bring out a vaccine that you would opt or agree to take it ?
Quote from: ArMaP on May 17, 2020, 12:32:01 AM
No, I still think what I thought before, that this is a disease created by a virus. :)
It has been discussed in the forum on certain threads..
or that there may even be a looking glass that alows whoever to look into the future .
I think most disagree with the time travel theory..
but I do find an interesting consideration.
I noted those pods and meant to to post the image... ???
but to me it looks more like in the 1920s than it does 2022..
or at least some (2 or 3) of the main people we can see, appear from the 1920s IMO.
ie 100 Yrs before now or time before when the article was wrote.
Wonder why they would have made it look like that yet ref to the future...
one wonders if something like that is what we come down to...if this thing
continues on and appears to get worse. :o
(http://www.educationviews.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/130520pod.jpg)
I thought maybe we may start to consider some sort of helmets or suits first..
(https://th.bing.com/th/id/OIP.SyABl-l2O4lmDXtqhyPOZgHaDt?pid=Api&rs=1)
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see more egs below
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1962 'Life in 2022' Image Depicted Everyone Trapped in PodsQuoteA depiction of life in 2022 by an Italian magazine first published in 1962 depicted pedestrians using motorized pods instead of walking, something that may turn out to be quite accurate given current fears over coronavirus.
The image was drawn by Walter Molino, an Italian comics artist and illustrator. It featured on the front page of a 1962 edition of La Domenica del Corriere, an Italian weekly newspaper which ran from 1899 to 1989.
The cartoon shows individuals navigating the sidewalk from within the confines of their own personal pod
While the depiction was probably more of a pedestrian travel-related prediction, it meshes quite eerily with current fears over coronavirus, which has led to suggestions that the "new normal" must incorporate a similar pod-based lifestyle to protect against the virus, because apparently immune systems don't function anymore.
As the video below shows, a restaurant in the Netherlands is trialing individual greenhouse-style pods where diners eat in "safety" as their waiter brings them their food on a long board while wearing a head visor and a mask.
What happens in summer when the glorified greenhouses reach near oven temperatures was not discussed in the video.
Proposals for people to be ensconced within their own pods for air travel, trips to the beach and other activities have also emerged in recent weeks. Live in a pod, work in a pod, socialize in a pod, travel in a pod!
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Quote from: kevin on May 17, 2020, 08:21:59 AM
https://www.educationviews.org/1962-life-in-2022-image-depicted-everyone-trapped-in-pods/
1962 'Life in 2022' Image Depicted Everyone Trapped in Pods
Do You think they may have had a time machine to view 2022?
At least some things never change, the woman is not looking where's she's going ( kevin dives for cover)
Kevin
(https://th.bing.com/th/id/OIP.mKlxVGFhiFV87ozO2X1VTwHaFj?w=251&h=187&c=7&o=5&pid=1.7)
(https://th.bing.com/th/id/OIP.nSsv771MW6scPBHB3ptxqwHaHa?w=173&h=169&c=7&o=5&pid=1.7)
(https://th.bing.com/th/id/OIP.rcP1biKXYwQhX2avlK85RwHaJD?w=171&h=203&c=7&o=5&pid=1.7)
(https://th.bing.com/th/id/OIP.x-w2xvntPlUzMd6ZtHEk1QAAAA?pid=Api&rs=1)
(https://th.bing.com/th/id/OIP.2KDcs54SdabsFE0UozbdHgHaHa?w=195&h=201&c=7&o=5&pid=1.7)
(https://th.bing.com/th/id/OIP.pnkA1ee9fACJFWZiWZ7HigAAAA?w=149&h=207&c=7&o=5&pid=1.7)
'Coronavirus did NOT come from animals in Wuhan market': Landmark studyQuoteThe new research is clear in its finding. 'The publicly available genetic data does not point to cross-species transmission of the virus at the market,' said Alina Chan, a molecular biologist, and Shing Zhan, an evolutionary biologist. Their paper insists all routes for 'zoonotic' (animal to human) transmission – in this case from bats – must be examined. It says: 'The possibility that a non-genetically engineered precursor could have adapted to humans while being studied in a laboratory should be considered.'
The revelations add to the growing clamour for an international inquiry into the outbreak. 'We need to get to the bottom of many things in relation to Covid-19,' said Tory MP Bob Seely, a member of the Commons' Foreign Affairs Select Committee. 'We need to know where this virus began, why we were told at one time there was no human transmission, and what was the role of the Chinese Communist Party.'
Sourcing the virus is key to understanding the disease, developing vaccines and stopping fresh outbreaks. But the issue has become fraught after US President Donald Trump claimed it emerged from a Wuhan laboratory working on bat-borne diseases and China responding by blaming American soldiers at a sports contest.
https://www.prisonplanet.com/coronavirus-did-not-come-from-animals-in-wuhan-market-landmark-study.html (https://www.prisonplanet.com/coronavirus-did-not-come-from-animals-in-wuhan-market-landmark-study.html)
Peer-Reviewed Study Rejects Pangolins As Intermediary Species For COVID-19QuoteVia PLOS:
The outbreak of a novel corona Virus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) in the city of Wuhan, China has resulted in more than 1.7 million laboratory confirmed cases all over the world. Recent studies showed that SARS-CoV-2 was likely originated from bats, but its intermediate hosts are still largely unknown. In this study, we assembled the complete genome of a coronavirus identified in 3 sick Malayan pangolins. The molecular and phylogenetic analyses showed that this pangolin coronavirus (pangolin-CoV-2020) is genetically related to the SARS-CoV-2 as well as a group of bat coronaviruses but do not support the SARS-CoV-2 emerged directly from the pangolin-CoV-2020.
https://www.prisonplanet.com/peer-reviewed-study-rejects-pangolins-as-intermediary-species-for-covid-19.html (https://www.prisonplanet.com/peer-reviewed-study-rejects-pangolins-as-intermediary-species-for-covid-19.html)
Study located here:
https://www.scribd.com/document/461601819/Journal-ppat-1008421#from_embed (https://www.scribd.com/document/461601819/Journal-ppat-1008421#from_embed)
The thoughts that I now have with this virus and suggestions of now bringing in vaccinations... that maybe come enforced..
After 9/11 ...from 2001..
at least in the USA..... they brought in a type of enforced control to visitors to their country..
by making everyone give their finger print and later maybe even their eye irsis details...or no one was allowed to enter the country.
As they started just taking one fingerprint and later they took all of of at least one of a visitors hand..
and asked you to look into a camera..
From what I recall ... Many did not get an pre warning about this for visitors that was made clear to them in advance ?
or it was NOT continued to be made known for visitors who may only visited for the 1st time say a year or more later.
I dont recall the UK airlines who went to the USA for eg... making people fully aware of that they were doing this ?
I dont think all other Countries have brought this in...like they have in the USA.
But Now all people who visited the USA are on a Data base file containing their details whether they agree to it or not..
or they would have had to return home.. and I dont know how many may had opted to do that... as at the time... such things of personal data were not considered in the way that they are now..
Now that people are more aware and may now have further considered this...
Would they see it as a misuse of their human rights ?
Being on such a data base if your not a criminal .. where the system now has those peoples details...
seems rather intrusive..
and they have be rather what they do in the future and hope that they do not have their finger prints left somewhere at the scene of someone elses crime... in which they may end up getting investigated..or even accused.
I suspect the next thing that they may requesting or enforcing is sampling of all our DNA to be put on a Data base file.
if its not already been created..from the past...
QuoteBut Now all people who visited the USA are on a Data base file containing their details whether they agree to it or not..
or they would have had to return home.. and I dont know how many may had opted to do that... as at the time... such things of personal data were not considered in the way that they are now..
Now that people are more aware and may now have further considered this...
Would they see it as a misuse of their human rights ?
There is no need to worry about such things it has had little effectiveness on catching any actual terrorists. If your worried about what the government is watching you do then stay off the internet PERIOD! They and other corporations collect tons of data on you daily without your knowledge or consent. It has been so for many years now. I don't really think they care about what you do so long as you don't fall into a certain criteria of individual with nefarious motives. ALL laws trample the rights of some individuals while protecting others. If these laws were not in place do you feel the world would be a better place today? Without them the anarchists will do whatever they please and when THAT affects you, you will ask for the laws. Whether those laws are the right ones is debatable.
You make some fair points .. and we are aware... and no doubt chance when posting on this forum..
but at the same time we may like to discuss such things with those who do discuss such topics..
or offer advice and opinions..
In ref to 9/11... it depend on ones view..
If you believe as a conspiracy that it was done deliberate as has been severely discussed on this and other similar forums and all over the internet..
Those who question or disbelieve that it was done as the Govts have informed us or tried to make us to believe..
Then those people probably disagree with them enforcing to take our finger prints..
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I may now have some differing views on 9/11 as I have seen one theory that I think could be correct at least as to how the buildings colapsed... ie via Aluminium oxide in the planes materials being ignited that created severe heat mixed with the fuel.. maybe than rather just the placed explosives theory..
but I still cannot account for Building 7s collapse..
so such people who have such views may well strongly disagree that they had the right to do that..if they that
the govt were involved and wanted to bring in more surveilance as does appear to have since occurd on a huge scale since... but also some will also say they would have done this either way suh as if if it was genuine legit terror attack.
In terms of them just doing certain things however...
They often do things with little or no prior warning.. and thats my issue.
For eg... if a person was to visit the USA but decided that they did not agree with passing on their details...
but was NOT pre warned what to expect...
There only other chocie would be to be sent back ... and thats provided that they would actually do that..
or at least not question or investigate you further.
thats my concern..
but some things are too hard to determine what gets done...and the rights and wrongs in relation to it.
No doubt if we do get effected by certain issues .. most of us would look for authorities guidence.
Quote
There is no need to worry about such things it has had little effectiveness on catching any actual terrorists. If your worried about what the government is watching you do then stay off the internet PERIOD! They and other corporations collect tons of data on you daily without your knowledge or consent. It has been so for many years now. I don't really think they care about what you do so long as you don't fall into a certain criteria of individual with nefarious motives. ALL laws trample the rights of some individuals while protecting others. If these laws were not in place do you feel the world would be a better place today? Without them the anarchists will do whatever they please and when THAT affects you, you will ask for the laws. Whether those laws are the right ones is debatable.
Kissinger: Failure to establish post-COVID new world order 'could set the world on fire'Quote"The pandemic has prompted an anachronism, a revival of the walled city in an age when prosperity depends on global trade and movement of people."
Kissinger believes that "the world's democracies need to defend and sustain their Enlightenment values."
"A global retreat from balancing power with legitimacy will cause the social contract to disintegrate both domestically and internationally," he stated.
"Yet this millennial issue of legitimacy and power cannot be settled simultaneously with the effort to overcome the Covid-19 plague. Restraint is necessary on all sides — in both domestic politics and international diplomacy."
Kissenger warned that failure either to conquer the coronavirus or to build the post-coronavirus world order might lead to global catastrophe.
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?action=post;topic=11476.550;last_msg=150875 (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?action=post;topic=11476.550;last_msg=150875)
QuoteYou make some fair points .. and we are aware... and no doubt chance when posting on this forum..
but at the same time we may like to discuss such things with those who do discuss such topics..
or offer advice and opinions..
In terms of them just doing certain things however...
They often do things with little or no prior warning.. and thats my issue.
For eg... if a person was to visit the USA but decided that they did not agree with passing on their details...
but was NOT pre warned what to expect...
Laws are passed and stricken down on nearly a daily basis in order to keep up one has to do the research on their own. Even with the COVID laws being passed, if your not watching for these you won't know what had been set into law (ex. the social distancing 2m rule was made LAW in Canada. If your not watching the news you would find this out the hard way.)
QuoteThere only other chocie would be to be sent back ... and thats provided that they would actually do that..
or not question you further.
thats my concern..
Rejecting it would probably raise more flags than if one was to simply just go through with it. Unless you HAVE SOMETHING TO HIDE it really isn't going to make any difference.
Quotebut some things are too hard to determine what gets done...and the rights and wrongs in relation to it.
No doubt if we do get effected by certain issues .. most of us would look for authorities guidence.
You nailed it on the head there. Some of this is knee-jerk reactions to what the population is DEMANDING. It's that fine line of being a "just" law or being a "Draconian" law... see the below example...
QuoteAccidentally spreading Covid-19 is wanting grandma dead, say opponents of ending lockdowns. Yet activists now worry that proposed laws to punish those who threaten to spread it deliberately would discriminate against minorities.
A Florida man spat and coughed on a police officer responding to a domestic violence call, and faces up to five years in prison on a federal charge of biological weapons hoax (he was negative for Covid-19). Another man in Texas, who falsely claimed on Facebook that he paid someone to spread the virus at local grocery stores, was charged with the same thing. A Michigan man who wiped his face with a store employee's shirt might get three months in jail and a $500 fine for misdemeanor assault and battery.
These are just some of the recent incidents across the US highlighted by Reuters, as Covid-19 lockdowns – originally intended to last for two weeks – have stretched to two months, with some jurisdictions saying they want to extend them indefinitely.
https://www.rt.com/usa/488692-criminalizing-covid-discrimination-minorities/ (https://www.rt.com/usa/488692-criminalizing-covid-discrimination-minorities/)
Quote from: kevin on May 17, 2020, 08:21:59 AM
https://www.educationviews.org/1962-life-in-2022-image-depicted-everyone-trapped-in-pods/
Do You think they may have had a time machine to view 2022?
No, as we do not have those individual cars to reduce traffic problems (that's what the original image was supposed to show, not pedestrians in pods, as we can see the pedestrians on the sidewalk in the background).
Apparently, that was related to something that supposedly happened in New York, when a postal worker decided to get out of his car and walk over the cars in a traffic jam.
(Source (http://www.weirduniverse.net/blog/archive/2018/09/P20))
QuoteAt least some things never change, the woman is not looking where's she's going ( kevin dives for cover)
;D
Quote from: astr0144 on May 17, 2020, 10:24:12 AM
I assume still that if they bring out a vaccine that you would opt or agree to take it ?
I was supposed to take the seasonal flu vaccine, but I forgot, twice. :)
Being a diabetic I don't have to pay for the seasonal flu vaccine, but if I have to pay for a possible SARS-COV2 vaccine I will not take it, that's for sure.
Also, in Portugal, medical procedures cannot be mandatory.
Good further points E113...
I may have made a few moderations alterations / additions since you replied ref to 9/11.
and how my views may have changed on it... but that took maybe 18 years to do so..
I seen what I seen a new valid theory I thin from last year..
and I DID think even on this forum.. many of us at one one time considered the many conspiracy theories on it..
Including some of the likes of some of Alex Jones extreme type ones ...
The trouble is probably a large % of people do not manage to or maybe incapable to keep up ..
but that I suppose applies to numerous existing laws that most of us was not aware of at some stage in our lives...as adults or children.
QuoteLaws are passed and stricken down on nearly a daily basis in order to keep up one has to do the research on their own. Even with the COVID laws being passed, if your not watching for these you won't know what had been set into law (ex. the social distancing 2m rule was made LAW in Canada. If your not watching the news you would find this out the hard way.)
Quote
There only other chocie would be to be sent back ... and thats provided that they would actually do that..
or not question you further.
thats my concern..
Rejecting it would probably raise more flags than if one was to simply just go through with it. Unless you HAVE SOMETHING TO HIDE it really isn't going to make any difference.
Quote
but some things are too hard to determine what gets done...and the rights and wrongs in relation to it.
No doubt if we do get effected by certain issues .. most of us would look for authorities guidence.
You nailed it on the head there. Some of this is knee-jerk reactions to what the population is DEMANDING. It's that fine line of being a "just" law or being a "Draconian" law... see the below example...
WAS YOU OR ANYONE AWARE AFTER 9/11 when they brought in Finger printing for visitors..
this article suggested it referred to in 2004... that was 2 to 3 years after..
I wonder why they also were also taking peoples photographs... when they have those already on the passports...
was this another double check to compare passport photos.
BUT there is also a ref to FACE SCANNING in the BBC article further below
and this seems to be the future.. that includes facial recognition / biometrics.
(https://www.futuretravelexperience.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/ba-biometric-boarding.jpg)
LAX and Lufthansa examine the benefits of biometric processing
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https://www.futuretravelexperience.com/2018/08/five-examples-of-biometrics-in-action-at-us-airports/
QuoteThe US has been routinely fingerprinting and face-scanning foreign visitors since January 2004.
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Secretary of Homeland Security Tom Ridge watches as a foreign visitor gets fingerprinted and photographed at a US-VISIT station at Atlanta's airportQuoteATLANTA — Foreigners entering U.S. airports and seaports from all but 27 nations were having their fingerprints scanned and their photographs taken beginning Monday as part of a new program to tighten border security.
Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge, who was in Atlanta to help launch the program at Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta International Airport, said Monday on NBC's "Today" show that the pilot program before the formal launch had led to 21 foreigners' being denied entry because they had earlier been deported for criminal or other legal issues.
"We want to keep our borders open. We are a welcoming country, but we want to secure the country as well," Ridge said. "We want them to come to the United States to work and to visit and to study, but we also need to make sure we have a record of who comes into the country and when they leave."
Most passengers breezed through the fingerprinting and picture-taking Monday, spending only a few seconds more than they normally would at the Customs station where they were asked about their visits.
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All 115 U.S. airports that handle international flights and 14 major seaports are covered by the program, under which Customs officials can instantaneously check an immigrant's or a visitor's criminal background.
Called US-VISIT, or U.S. Visitor and Immigrant Status Indicator Technology, the program will check up to 24 million foreigners each year, although some will be repeat visitors.
Some nations not affected
The only exceptions will be visitors from 27 countries — most of them European nations whose citizens are allowed to come to the United States for up to 90 days without visas. Ridge said citizens from those countries would have machine-readable passports by October that provided the same information as what the U.S. system checked for.
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Inkless fingerprints will be taken and checked instantaneously against a national digital database for criminal backgrounds and any terrorist lists. The process will be repeated when the visitors leave the country as an extra security measure and to ensure that they complied with visa limitations.
Bill Strassberger, a spokesman for the Homeland Security Department, said that once screeners became proficient, the extra security would take only 10 to 15 seconds per person. Foreign travelers also will continue to pass through regular Customs points and answer questions.
Photographs will be used to help create a database for law enforcement. The travel data are supposed to be securely stored and made available only to authorized officials on a need-to-know basis.
A similar program is to be installed at 50 land border crossings by the end of next year.
Policy accepted, with reservations
Travelers criticized the new U.S. policy as heavy-handed, but some voiced grudging acceptance of the need for tighter security.
At the airport in Mexico City, Mexicans returning to the United States arrived up to six hours before their flights were scheduled to take off Monday.
Many said the new measures were inconvenient, but most appeared to be moving through security and check-ins with few delays.
"I think it is a little much," said Constanza Carrillo, 30, a computer software technician who lives in Denver. "But if it feels safer for the government of the United States and for Americans, we don't have a problem with it."
Victor Fuentes, 18, a Mexican returning to the United States to study at a high school in Chicago, said more security was better than less.
"It's fine with me because it is for the safety of everyone," he said.
However, in Brazil, which has requested that Brazilians be removed from the U.S. list, police started fingerprinting and photographing Americans arriving at Sao Paulo's airport last week in retaliation.
"At first, most of the Americans were angered at having to go through all this, but they were usually more understanding once they learned that Brazilians are subjected to the same treatment in the U.S.," said Wagner Castilho, a spokesman for Brazilian police.
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Ridge said that the United States was "prepared to live by one international standard" and that he felt it would become the system adopted by Washington.
Sept. 11 origin
The U.S. system, which consists of a small box that digitally scans fingerprints and a camera that snaps digital pictures, will gradually phase out a paper-based system that Congress mandated be modernized following the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.
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A person whose fingerprints or photos raise questions would not be turned away automatically. The visa holder would be sent to secondary inspection for further questions and checks. Officials have said false hits on the system have been less than 0.1 percent in trial runs.
The system was scheduled to begin operation New Year's Day, but it was delayed to avoid the busy holiday travel period.
Congress provided $368 million to produce the system and put it in airports, but it provided only $330 million of the $400 million President Bush requested to put the system in land borders in 2004.
Additional background is online at http://www.dhs.gov/us-visit.
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/3875747/ns/us_news-security/t/us-begins-fingerprinting-most-visitors/#.XsEuidQwit8
A BBC article on it..
US fingerprints 'allied' visitors(http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/39703000/jpg/_39703031_checdkap203.jpg)
Millions of fingerprints are being checked each year
QuoteUS fingerprints 'allied' visitors
Visitors being checked with the new system at Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta International Airport
Millions of fingerprints are being checked each year
A US requirement for visitors to be fingerprinted and photographed is being expanded to include citizens from America's closest allies.
The move will affect visitors from 27 countries - including the UK, Japan and Australia - whose nationals are able to visit the US without a visa.
The change in the US-Visit programme is due to take effect by 30 September.
The programme is designed to fight terrorism, but has been criticised by many - notably in Latin America.
Secure passports
The US-Visit (US Visitor and Immigrant Status Indicator Technology) security system is meant to identify travellers who have violated immigration controls, have criminal records or belong to groups listed as terrorist organisations by the US.
The US has been routinely fingerprinting and face-scanning foreign visitors since January.
But Washington decided to extend the programme after determining that visa waiver countries will not meet an October deadline to introduce sophisticated passports, which include biometric data and make counterfeiting virtually impossible.
COUNTRIES AFFECTED
Andorra, Australia, Austria, Belgium, Brunei, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Iceland, Ireland, Italy, Japan, Liechtenstein, Luxembourg, Monaco, Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Portugal, San Marino, Singapore, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, UK
The UK authorities, for example, have said they will not be able to issue the new passports with the new data - such as an individual's fingerprints or iris pattern - before mid-2005.
The administration announced on Friday that it would seek a two-year extension of the deadline from Congress.
Security officials said the delay of the new passport system meant the port-of-entry security checks would therefore have to be extended.
Citizens from the 27 countries will still be allowed to visit the US without a visa, although they will now have to be fingerprinted and photographed before they enter.
"We recognise that the visa waiver country travellers are among our best allies, friends, and international guests," said Asa Hutchinson, undersecretary for border and transportation security.
"We are doing all we can to make sure the security measures cause minimal inconvenience."
'Privacy protected'
The plans, if approved by Congress, will entail a massive increase in the visitors to the US requiring checks. Some 13 million visitors from visa waiver countries visit the US each year, compared to some 19 million from non-visa waiver countries.
Canadians will now be the only foreign nationals able to enter the US without the checks, Mr Hutchinson said.
Asked whether the data on visitors would be kept, Mr Hutchinson said it would - in part to "facilitate travel" for frequent visitors to the US.
He said fingerprints were checked against criminal databases, but the information was "strictly protected under privacy rules".
When the border procedures for non-visa waiver countries were introduced at the beginning of the year, Brazil protested by introducing similar checks for US visitors to Rio de Janeiro.
But the US authorities the news measuers do not add any significant time to the process of clearing immigration.
And the BBC's Washington correspondent Justin Webb points out that there may be some benefits.
Some people who were going to have to get visas will be allowed to continue using the scheme.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3595221.stm
Quote from: astr0144 on May 17, 2020, 12:58:12 PM
I dont think all other Countries have brought this in...like they have in the USA.
In the EU (or, more correctly, in the Shengen area), there are no border controls (except now, that countries have suspended the Shengen agreement so they could close their borders), so something like that is not possible for citizens of EU countries visiting other EU countries.
Also, it's a big personal rights abuse and wouldn't be tolerated by the most active personal rights organisations, like in Germany, where they are very strong.
QuoteI suspect the next thing that they may requesting or enforcing is sampling of all our DNA to be put on a Data base file.
if its not already been created..from the past...
I think I read somewhere that in the UK everybody that is arrested gets their DNA put on a database, but I'm not sure about it.
Now the authorities may not be to happy if the new that you did not take those :)
But do you think that you would agree to take (or risk it ) the Covid Vaccine if it was for Free willingly ?
So are you saying Generally in Portugal that they dont tend to enforce such things..
when you say medical procedures cannot be mandatory !
Also you think maybe Portugal may be one of a few European Countries that are like that..
I am not sure how others Countries may end to compare..
But your Country may get some atempted visitors once that they start suggesting that their countries vaccination may become enforced.
At the moment in the UK you can actually travel in some cases by plane...to certain countries but in most cases ..
on arrival... I suspect most countries we would visit would do some sort of tests or involve isolation.
BUT in the UK we have allowed Numerous 1000s of people to visit us with NO test or isolation what so ever...since Covid in the last 3 months.. I thought that a TV program may had said as many as 18 million visitors ..
Quote from: ArMaP on May 17, 2020, 01:45:10 PM
I was supposed to take the seasonal flu vaccine, but I forgot, twice. :)
Being a diabetic I don't have to pay for the seasonal flu vaccine, but if I have to pay for a possible SARS-COV2 vaccine I will not take it, that's for sure.
Also, in Portugal, medical procedures cannot be mandatory.
How do you view the USAs fingerprinting for their Visitors ArMaP
similar to what you wrote or referred to in relation to EU / Germany or do you agree in what the USA have done / did ?
This gives some history upto 2013 of the use of Biometrics esp in the USA..
which may tell what they have or had brought in...since 9/11 or from 2004 onwards .
see some further details further below
https://www.biometricupdate.com/201802/history-of-biometrics-2
The thing is no matter what we may think... in terms of have we got anything to hide...
any of us could become or do a criminal act and maybe not even be aware of it...
so that's the other side of that it may apply if we have anything to Hide !
I suspect a very large % of people have done illegal things when they were younger not even being aware of it and sometimes these things can come back to haunt us...
I have some things similar to this and I still do NOT know if I should feel guilty or not or if some things were beyond my control or intellect abilities of understanding or realising..or being aware at the time.. maybe due to severe stress that could had been occurring at the time.
QuoteUnless you HAVE SOMETHING TO HIDE it really isn't going to make any difference.
Quote
Though initially only samples from convicted criminals, or people awaiting trial, were recorded, the Criminal Justice and Police Act 2001 changed this to allow DNA to be retained from people charged with an offence, even if they were subsequently acquitted. The Criminal Justice Act 2003 later allowed DNA to be taken on arrest, rather than on charge. Between 2004 when this law came into force and 2012, anyone arrested in England and Wales on suspicion of involvement in any recordable offence (all except the most minor offences) had their DNA sample taken and stored in the database, whether or not they are subsequently charged or convicted. In 2005-06 45,000 crimes were matched against records on the DNA Database; including 422 homicides (murders and manslaughters) and 645 rapes.[8] However, not all these matches would have led to criminal convictions and some would be matches with innocent people who were at the crime scene. Critics argued that the decision to keep large numbers of innocent people on the database did not appear to have increased the likelihood of solving a crime using DNA.[9] Since the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 in 2012, those not charged or not found guilty must have their DNA data deleted within a specified period of time.[3]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_National_DNA_Database
Quote from: ArMaP on May 17, 2020, 02:00:38 PM
In the EU (or, more correctly, in the Shengen area), there are no border controls (except now, that countries have suspended the Shengen agreement so they could close their borders), so something like that is not possible for citizens of EU countries visiting other EU countries.
Also, it's a big personal rights abuse and wouldn't be tolerated by the most active personal rights organisations, like in Germany, where they are very strong.
I think I read somewhere that in the UK everybody that is arrested gets their DNA put on a database, but I'm not sure about it.
Some Biometric egs below since 2004.
Quote2004 – US-VISIT program becomes operational
The United States Visitor and Immigrant Status Indication Technology (US-VISIT) program is the cornerstone of the DHS visa issuance and entry I exit strategy. The US-VISIT program is a continuum of security measures that begins overseas at the Department of State's visa issuing posts, and continues through arrival to and departure from the US. Using biometrics, such as digital inkless fingerprints and digital photographs, the identity of visitors requiring a visa is now matched at each step to ensure that the person crossing the US border is the same person who received the visa. For visa-waiver travelers, the capture of biometrics first occurs at the port of entry to the US. By checking the biometrics of a traveler against its databases, US-VISIT verifies whether the traveler has previously been determined inadmissible, is a known security risk (including having outstanding wants and warrants), or has previously overstayed the terms of a visa. These entry I exit procedures address the US critical need for tighter security and its ongoing commitment to facilitate travel for the millions of legitimate visitors welcomed each year to conduct business, learn, see family, or tour the country.
2004 – DOD implements ABIS
The Automated Biometric Identification System (ABIS) is a Department of Defense (DoD) system implemented to improve the US Government's ability to track and identify national security threats. The associated collection systems include the ability to collect, from enemy combatants, captured insurgents, and other persons of interest, ten rolled fingerprints, up to five mug shots from varying angles, voice samples (utterances), iris images, and an oral swab to collect DNA.
2004 – Presidential directive calls for mandatory government-wide personal identification card for all federal employees and contractors
In 2004, President Bush issued Homeland Security Presidential Directive 12 (HSPD-12) for a mandatory, government-wide personal identification card that all federal government departments and agencies will issue to their employees and contractors requiring access to Federal facilities and systems. Subsequently, Federal Information Processing Standard (FIPS) 201, Personal Identity Verification (PIV) for Federal Employees and Contractors, specifies the technical and operational requirements for the PIV system and card. NIST Special Publication 800-76 (Biometric Data Specification for Personal Identity Verification) is a companion document to FIPS 201 describing how the standard will be acquiring, formatting and storing fingerprint images and templates for collecting and formatting facial images; and specifications for biometric devices used to collect and read fingerprint images. The publication specifies that two fingerprints be stored on the card as minutia templates.
2004 – First statewide automated palm print databases are deployed in the US
In 2004, Connecticut, Rhode Island and California established statewide palm print databases that allow law enforcement agencies in each state to submit unidentified latent palm prints to be searched against each other's database of known offenders.
2004 – Face Recognition Grand Challenge begins
The Face Recognition Grand Challenge (FRGC) is a US Government-sponsored challenge problem posed to develop algorithms to improve specific identified areas of interest in face recognition. Participating researchers analyze the provided data, try to solve the problem, and then reconvene to discuss various approaches and their results – an undertaking that is driving technology improvement. Participation in this challenge demonstrates an expansive breadth of knowledge and interest in this biometric modality.
2005 – US patent for iris recognition concept expires
The broad US patent covering the basic concept of iris recognition expired in 2005, providing marketing opportunities for other companies that have developed their own algorithms for iris recognition. However, the patent on the lrisCodes® implementation of iris recognition developed by Dr. Daugman will not expire until 2011.
2005 – Iris on the Move is announced at Biometrics Consortium Conference
At the 2005 Biometrics Consortium conference, Sarnoff Corporation (now SRI International) demonstrated Iris on the Move, a culmination of research and prototype systems sponsored by the Intelligence Technology Innovation Center (ITIC), and previously by the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA). The system enables the collection of iris images from individuals walking through a portal.
2008 – U.S. Government begin coordinating biometric database use
Finger image and facial quality measurement algorithms and related toolset development was finalized. An iris quality measurement algorithm was also developed.
The FBI and Department of Defense also started working on next generation databases designed to include iris, face and palm data, in addition to fingerprint records.
The Department of Homeland Security denied an individual entry into the U.S. after cross-matched biometric data identified the individual as a known or suspected terrorist
Quote from: astr0144 on May 17, 2020, 02:05:34 PM
Now the authorities may not be to happy if the new that you did not take those :)
My doctor knows I didn't take them because she was the one prescribing them. Medical data is higher on the list of personal data that cannot be shared unless anonymised.
Many years ago, when I was in school, they said that we needed to have a tuberculosis test done. Everybody in my room got it, except two people, and one of those was me. ;D
It wasn't really mandatory, as most people thought.
QuoteBut you agree to take (or risk it ) the Covid Vaccine if it was for Free willingly ?
Only after seeing that there were no side effects, so I wouldn't take it during the first year or two.
QuoteSo are you saying Generally in Portugal that they dont tend to enforce such things..
when you say medical procedures cannot be mandatory !
They do not enforce it, but in some cases some vaccines (or at least some tests) may be mandatory for specific jobs. Jobs in which people work with children or with people with immune system problems usually have to show that they are not a danger for those they are going to work with. That's why anyone working with children has to present their criminal record before being accepted.
As for general medical procedures, a couple of years ago there was a homeless man (from Ukraine or another East Europe country) that got a big sore on one leg, and the leg was getting worse and worse, with people worrying that he would probably lose his leg if he didn't go to the hospital. Some people called the police or the firemen to take it to the hospital, but as he didn't want to go nobody could do a thing. He eventually accepted to go to the hospital to get his leg treated, and the last I heard of him his brother came to Portugal to take it back home.
As a kind of PS to that story, anyone that is legally in Portugal can stay where they want, unless they break into someone's home or something like that. Some years ago there was a homeless woman that decided to live under the balconies of the building where I live. My 5th floor neighbour, who is afraid of fires after watching one too close to her when she lived in Macao, decided to call the police to see if they could do something about the cardboard boxes the woman used to make her small shelter. The police said that the only thing they could do was to ask her for identification, there are no loitering laws in Portugal.
QuoteAlso you think maybe Portugal may be one of a few European Countries that are like that..
According to this (https://vaccine-schedule.ecdc.europa.eu/), vaccines are not mandatory in Austria, Cyprus, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, Germany, Greece, Ireland, Latvia, Liechtenstein, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Netherlands, Norway, Portugal, Romania, Spain, Sweden and United Kingdom.
QuoteBut your Country may get some atempted visitors once that they start suggesting that their countries vaccination may become enforced.
People said the same when we decriminalised drug use, that we would become an addicts paradise, but it didn't happen.
I may have had a similar situation at one time when I was at school. :D
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My doctor knows I didn't take them because she was the one prescribing them. Medical data is higher on the list of personal data that cannot be shared unless anonymised.
Many years ago, when I was in school, they said that we needed to have a tuberculosis test done. Everybody in my room got it, except two people, and one of those was me. ;D
It wasn't really mandatory, as most people thought.
That would seem wiser... I just hope that they don't try to bring in a very fast application of it all in which we are not given time to see
what may happen to any who are willing to initially volunteer may react to the vaccines.
QuoteOnly after seeing that there were no side effects, so I wouldn't take it during the first year or two.
That's something that I am always unsure about in ref to such loiter laws....inc the U.K
I think that they have suggested them... but whether they can enforce them by law I am unsure.
We still have homeless on the streets although recently they attempted to remove them off the streets since Covid came in..
after people had complained for years prior that the Govt had done very little to aid the homeless situation in the past
QuoteThe police said that the only thing they could do was to ask her for identification, there are no loitering laws in Portugal.
Nice find...
The question is will countries be forced to alter their laws if this continues on as may being suggested..
QuoteAccording to this, vaccines are not mandatory in Austria, Cyprus, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, Germany, Greece, Ireland, Latvia, Liechtenstein, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Netherlands, Norway, Portugal, Romania, Spain, Sweden and United Kingdom.
If there is more countries doing similar in Europe.. they will have more choice..
but its interesting what you have said about the drug situation outcome.. I was not aware of that..
QuotePeople said the same when we decriminalised drug use, that we would become an addicts paradise, but it didn't happen
Quote from: astr0144 on May 17, 2020, 02:43:24 PM
How do you view the USAs fingerprinting for their Visitors ArMaP
similar to what you wrote or referred to in relation to EU / Germany or do you agree in what the USA have done / did ?
I'm against it, naturally, as there is no need to get more data than they already have about the people entering the country, even if the US signed an agreement with the EU about personal data protections to be considered a safe country in matters of personal data protection.
Quote from: astr0144 on May 17, 2020, 02:55:45 PM
We still have homeless on the streets although recently they attempted to remove them off the streets since Covid came in..
after people had complained for years prior that the Govt had done very little to aid the homeless situation in the past
In Portugal, most towns provided shelter for the homeless, as most got some food from restaurants and coffee shops that were closed, and the people that stayed at home didn't remember that homeless person they used to get a coin or two every day, so most were not getting very little food.
QuoteThe question is will countries be forced to alter their laws if this continues on as may being suggested..
They cannot be forced, it's as simple as that.
Quotebut its interesting what you have said about the drug situation outcome.. I was not aware of that..
Yes, several years ago, because of the problem with drug addicts getting HIV from syringe sharing and stuff like that, we started a program to help them getting back to normal. It was considered that one of the problems was that drug use was a crime, so people stayed away from anything connected to the state. The solution was to consider possession for personal use a health problem instead of a crime, so now people that are caught using or in possession of drugs are sent to a committee that presents them the options they have to leave their addiction.
Drugs sale is still a crime.
I thought maybe I was starting to believe to be one of a few who may be against it.
so I appriciate your view on it.
and yes talk about the recent increase in Data Protection Laws for the public....or even from further in the past.
QuoteHow do you view the USAs fingerprinting for their Visitors ArMaP
Quote
I'm against it, naturally, as there is no need to get more data than they already have about the people entering the country, even if the US signed an agreement with the EU about personal data protections to be considered a safe country in matters of personal data protection.
In the UK ... I believe maybe a few years ago we mayhave had a reasonable Social security System.. known as the DHSS.. Dept of heath and Social security .. that delt with the benefits system for those in need or who where unemployed.
Then after the 2008 Financial crash... the Govt altered some of the system to tighten up on things...
and started doing a more frustating set of changes for anyone applying for benefits..
where as anyone on them for many years before generally were easily allowed to obtain them without too much investigation or hassel.
So now for eg... if you become unfit to work... where you used to apply for what was known as Employment Support Allowance (ESA)... Its now changed to something called Universal credit. (U.C)that sort of combines other types of benefits that are similar in certain ways...such as the old Job seekers allowance (JSA)for those who are fit to seek for work.
https://www.gov.uk/universal-credit
You used to be able to obtain such benefits if you were unfit to work from JUST a Doctors Note...
but they will only now allow I think it was maybe two doctors note before they ask you to go for a medical.
Just before they brought in the new system... anyone who was claiming the ESA who claimed to be unfit for work.
once they signed on... for the first few months they would get support.. but afte say 3 months.. they were asked to
go for medicals... where the system used a contract company to access claiments..
and later there were many issues against this.. as it was often claimed those doing the accessment were not fully medically trained. and a vast majority of times... they started to go really strict and told most that they were fit to work.
and were told to then seek work and go on the Job seekers (JSA) benefit...
BUT if you did NOT do as they asked your benefits would be stopped
also Since then... many people who are still ill or unfit to work.or even quite badly disabled.. and get refused benefits and still can not work also get their benefits stopped.. and maybe for upto 6 months..
and since then quite a lot of people no longer can get benefits..
and what they have done now is bring out FOOD BANKS... that reply on Charity...
and NOW we have a LOT of these that have occured in the last year or two...where it replies on the public donations.
So for eg... say you were able to survive even on just ten pounds or dollars ($ GBPs 10.00 ) worth of food.
that you may get from a food bank to keep you going for a week...
The benfits system will not even give such people ten pounds a week..
and they have to obtain this food from the food banks... YOU HAVE TO GET A VOUCHER FROM the Benefits system or some sort of authority...
This I cannot believe... that the British Public go along with this...
To me its a UTTER disgrace..
Also even if you work.. if you now were to get sacked... they can refuse you benefits..so many have to now find work..no matter what or starve. or live of savings if they can.
This may be why we had so many still on the streets or why crime was so high...
Thats the UK today for you... ! >:( :(
Although it may still be better than some other Euro or other modern type Countries.
Some say it should be against our Human Rights..
On trying to get helps from Solicitors / lawyers etc.... generally they are little help..
I know some people who have tried and tried to obtain aid help and generally thats been very hard to obtain or find..
Many of the public say things like some people who are saying they are unfit for work are just trying it on..
and that the system needed to be strict with the system to rule such people out..
and that maybe the case or so for some... especially in the uncertain climate we are in now where reasonable jobs are still hard to get...
but some will say can you blame them for trying..
because the other alternative now on the new Univeral credit system now requires you if you are fit to work and on JSA..
to do 35 hrs worth of Job seaching a week..
where as prior to this all you had to do was apply for just 4 jobs per fortnight...
Being on benefits for the JSA type is now seen as a full time job..
MANY PEOPLE NOW... ARE OFF the benefits system.. and have just taken any job to get off it..
and Now the Govt were boasting how the Unemployment levels have dropped ..and how well they had done.
Again for years prior to this .. prior generations were getting loads of types of benefits..for many years..
but now.. newer generations or those new to benefits struggle to get any in some cases..
It seems many of these food banks belong to something called the Trusell Trust..
That I think is also connected with the Govt...
https://www.trusselltrust.org/
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Zkn7NhBWEYo/Uw4B61ozi8I/AAAAAAAAcY8/19Zdq-wSO-w/s1600/foodbank_clipart.jpg)
(https://www.trusselltrust.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2016/01/volunteer-sorting-food-1112-480x280.jpg)
(https://i.cbc.ca/1.4483009.1515702646!/fileImage/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/16x9_620/food-bank-volunteers.jpg)
(https://www.trusselltrust.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2015/05/Large-photo-Square-500px-220x220.jpg)
QuoteIn the UK, more than 14 million people are living in poverty – including 4.5 million children. We support more than 1,200 food bank centres in the UK to provide a minimum of three days' nutritionally-balanced emergency food to people who have been referred in crisis, as well as support to help people resolve the crises they face. Between April 2018 and March 2019, food banks in our network provided a record 1.6 million food supplies to people in crisis, a 19% increase on the previous year.
QuoteFood vouchers
Care professionals such as health visitors, schools and social workers identify people in crisis and issue them with a food bank voucher. This means people can receive a food bank parcel of three days' nutritionally balanced, non-perishable food from their local food bank
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PROFESSIONALS IDENTIFY PEOPLE IN NEED
Food banks partner with a wide range of care professionals such as doctors, teachers, health visitors and social workers to identify people in crisis and give them a food bank voucher to access emergency food.
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More than 40,000 people give up their time to volunteer at food banks across the UK.
People bring their voucher to a food bank centre where it can be redeemed for three days' emergency food. Volunteers welcome people and offer them further support to help resolve the crisis they face.
(https://th.bing.com/th/id/OIP.dwTpUwxADj5lwKEBNyRs6QHaE8?pid=Api&rs=1)
There are some others and a few church type ones which I am not sure how they operate..
but two of three of them are being even promoted by the TV media on quite a large scale.
and people are giving a lot to these charities..may be more than what the Govt would pay if they paid out just even a small ammount of money to those seeking unfit for work benefits..
The dont seem to see thru this and go along with it..
but to me this is severely wrong...
as you should have the rights to obtain moeny to buy ones own choice of food within reason and not what the food banks issue.. that is restricted to type of rationing..
Also many people are now ashamed to go to beg for such things and some do not try to do so..
and are suffering really badly from this.. financially and severely health wise..
Many also will not go for a medical as they see that as a Data Protection issue... and dont trust the Govt to keep their
medical details from other future employers ... also they them seleve may have some other medical considition or mental issues thatthey want to keep private that could effect them getting future employment if it was to get exposed..
Some try to use Mental issues when applying like depression... but are often now turned down.
In order to beat the system now... the need a very good excuse or made up medical condition that cannot easily be questioned or proven... in you may need a Doctor to advise them what to say..
How could they do thatI wonder ?
especially those in real crisis.. of which there are many who at least need time and benefits to help them recover..
and you want to know why I question Govt ?
Quote from: ArMaP on May 17, 2020, 04:38:44 PM
In Portugal, most towns provided shelter for the homeless, as most got some food from restaurants and coffee shops that were closed, and the people that stayed at home didn't remember that homeless person they used to get a coin or two every day, so most were not getting very little food.
They cannot be forced, it's as simple as that.
Yes, several years ago, because of the problem with drug addicts getting HIV from syringe sharing and stuff like that, we started a program to help them getting back to normal. It was considered that one of the problems was that drug use was a crime, so people stayed away from anything connected to the state. The solution was to consider possession for personal use a health problem instead of a crime, so now people that are caught using or in possession of drugs are sent to a committee that presents them the options they have to leave their addiction.
Drugs sale is still a crime.
https://summit.news/2020/03/16/denmark-passes-law-enabling-forced-coronavirus-vaccinations/https://www.loc.gov/law/foreign-news/article/china-vaccine-law-passed/
https://greatgameindia.com/italian-politician-demand-bill-gates-arrest-for-crimes-against-humanity/?fbclid=IwAR2JpfiZfNQwKcF3B2-tQuJm8Qrq-XkiG4hU12SZG2Z-PmKs-0m0W6CvF0A
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Quote from: astr0144 on May 17, 2020, 05:22:08 PM
You used to be able to obtain such benefits if you were unfit to work from JUST a Doctors Note...
but they will only now allow I think it was maybe two doctors note before they ask you to go for a medical.
In Portugal, if you get sick you go to the doctor and he fills a form saying you are unfit for work up to some date. At that date you can get another form prolonging the situation.
If you become really unfit for any kind of work related to what you worked on I think you have to go to a special medical committee or something like that, so instead of a doctor you have a declaration issued by two or three doctors to confirm that you have some percentage of disablement that prevents you from work. From that point on you can receive a disabled pension.
If you are fired from your work you get unemployment pay, but you do not have to prove that you are looking for work, as there's an organisation that does that for you, sending you letters telling you that you need to go some place where they are looking for workers. If you refuse to go you lose the payment, but as long as you keep going where they tell you to go you can keep on receiving the unemployment pay. I think that after two years, if you didn't get a job you are considered a long time unemployed person and things are different, but I don't know how.
Now, to get back on topic, the government declared that any medical appointments related to CoViD-19 are free. People with low income do not pay for any appointments, and neither do people suffering from some disease, like diabetes (that's why I don't pay for my medical appointments, only for the medication).
Portugal also declared that all foreigners trying to legalise their situation should be considered as Portuguese citizens regarding all CoViD-19 appointments and/or tests and treatments, so they have either little or nothing to pay.
Portugal may be a relatively poor country, but we still have a relatively supporting Social Security. :)
Interesting to compare how things work in Portugal in ref to Unemployment / benefits etc.
I think in certain ways ... for long term unfit for work situations... its a bit similar... in that such persons have to face a medical board.. maybe rather than have an actual suggested medical.
and in Maybe I did forget to add.. that in the UK... they do attempt to place longer term unemployed on certain courses,
training or attempt to send you for certain jobs.. and they were last time I investigated sending longer term Un-Employd
to attend at some location to get assistance in applying for jobs and giving interview or other types of training etc..
and yes in that case if you do not attend.. you get you benefits stopped..
the problem with it is after a while...if you do not find some suitable or go along with things.. it just becomes a routine
and is not really any help at all after you have done this for 2/3 months..
so many get fed up with it and just think its a waste of their time.. just to get a small payment.
Many have given up as decent work opportunities for some are very rare now...
As far as I know the unemployed are or were entitled to free perscriptions../ certain medical treatments or dental treatment..
But overall they have tightened things up.
and now make you work for benefits in terms of the time applying for jobs that you have to now put in.
Quote from: ArMaP on May 18, 2020, 02:08:06 AM
In Portugal, if you get sick you go to the doctor and he fills a form saying you are unfit for work up to some date. At that date you can get another form prolonging the situation.
If you become really unfit for any kind of work related to what you worked on I think you have to go to a special medical committee or something like that, so instead of a doctor you have a declaration issued by two or three doctors to confirm that you have some percentage of disablement that prevents you from work. From that point on you can receive a disabled pension.
If you are fired from your work you get unemployment pay, but you do not have to prove that you are looking for work, as there's an organisation that does that for you, sending you letters telling you that you need to go some place where they are looking for workers. If you refuse to go you lose the payment, but as long as you keep going where they tell you to go you can keep on receiving the unemployment pay. I think that after two years, if you didn't get a job you are considered a long time unemployed person and things are different, but I don't know how.
Now, to get back on topic, the government declared that any medical appointments related to CoViD-19 are free. People with low income do not pay for any appointments, and neither do people suffering from some disease, like diabetes (that's why I don't pay for my medical appointments, only for the medication).
Portugal also declared that all foreigners trying to legalise their situation should be considered as Portuguese citizens regarding all CoViD-19 appointments and/or tests and treatments, so they have either little or nothing to pay.
Portugal may be a relatively poor country, but we still have a relatively supporting Social Security. :)
The UK will receive 30million doses of a coronavirus vaccine "by September
This came out today... which was what I suspected...If it is Alex Jones describes.. I suspect that this was already made prior to what they may tell us.
Coronavirus vaccine 'by September': Oxford University strikes deal with AstraZeneca to produce 30 million doses of the jab - the moment it's proved to work
Business Secretary Alok Sharma said the UK will get access to an Oxford University developed vaccine first
Vaccine currently going through clinical trials and a deal has been done with AstraZeneca to make it if it works
The deal would see AstraZeneca make 100 million doses with 30 million available for Britain by September
But Mr Sharma warned there are 'no certainties' regarding vaccine and said it could prove not to be effective
The vaccine announcement came as the UK's coronavirus death toll increased by 170 to a total of 34,636
Here's how to help people impacted by Covid-19.
Dont click on link if you dont accept cookies...
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11643790/oxford-coronavirus-vaccine-uk/
Watching a TV program earlier..
It was saying that in Quatar ...anyone who does not wear a mask in ref to the Covid virus.. will be fined the equivilent of
$55,000 or 3 yrs in Jail..
How on earth wil most people afford that !.... its JUST NOT possible..
Qatar to dole out $55,000 fines, jail time for not wearing face masks..
Read more: https://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2020/05/qatar-masks-coronavirus-jail-fines-spike.html#ixzz6MnGTTpl9
https://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2020/05/qatar-masks-coronavirus-jail-fines-spike.html
QuoteIt was saying that in Quatar ...anyone who does not wear a mask in ref to the Covid virus.. will be fined the equivilent of
$55,000 or 3 yrs in Jail..
LOL basically wear a mask or we'll make sure you DO get COVID and make sure you go broke as well!
Italian lawmaker demands Bill Gates be ARRESTED for 'crimes against humanity'... But WHY? QuoteAn Italian lawmaker has managed to bring the conspiracy blame-game to an entirely new level, exercising her parliamentary privilege to blast Bill Gates as a "vaccine criminal" and globalist tool.
QuoteBeing a well-known anti-vax activist, Cunial singled-out Gates as the villain primarily because of the vaccination campaigns that his foundation has been conducting for years in less-developed countries. But while boldly accusing the billionaire of sterilizing millions of women in Africa and paralyzing hundreds of thousands of children in India, she also added a good pinch of GMOs and 5G tech to the dense conspiracy mix of his 'sins.'
The Italian politician also harshly criticized the anti-coronavirus lockdown measures that her country was among the first to impose. According to Cunial, the isolation serves the globalist agenda too, while the Italians have been subjected to a "holy inquisition of false science."
"It is our children who will lose more, who are 'raped souls,'" Cunial said. "In this way, the right to school will be granted only with a bracelet to get them used to probation, to get them used to slavery and involuntary treatment."
https://www.rt.com/news/488912-italy-parliament-bill-gates-coronavirus/ (https://www.rt.com/news/488912-italy-parliament-bill-gates-coronavirus/)
One thing I noticed on the site from where I get my statistics is that the UK and the Netherlands stopped publishing the number of recovered and active cases, they are only publishing total cases and deaths.
Watching some further Alex Jones updates.
He shown a video that says that some Scientists in Austria claims the virus is manmade or modified from a pror virus and created diliberaltly by China to create World economic caous.
(Maybe that last part was AJs own view)
https://summit.news/2020/05/18/austrian-study-finds-sign-of-human-intervention-in-coronavirus/
Alan Dershowitz (US Lawyer) is saying that we have NO rights to refuse vaccines and anyone who does... will be forced to a Doctor to have us injected by force. Alex Jones exploded severely to his comments blowing a fuse !.
Worth a read of his background.. He is or was on Trumps legal team yet it suggested he was a Hillary clinton Supporter and Democrat... and has been involved with some well known legal cases..
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Dershowitz
https://www.infowars.com/epstein-defender-dershowitz-says-forced-vaccination-is-legal/
Another Change in Ref to Donald Trumps recent statements in ref to Vaccinations..
An A.J video shows Donald Trump now saying that the USA is looking at a FULL vaccine for the public...
but that not everyone may want to take them. ???
Trump has been taking some Drug lately that he was led to believe could help him against the virus.
some Drs are now saying its potenitally dangerous and could have bad sid effects.
Also that there could also be upto 500 other alternative potential cures to vaccines.
Lastly for now Bill Gates still want to chip us all to aid us to solve the virus issues..
QuoteOn this Monday broadcast of American Countdown, constitutional attorney Robert Barnes breaks down billionaire eugenicist Bill Gates' diabolical plan to vaccinate and microchip every human being on Earth in the name of combating the coronavirus pandemic. Author Michael Malice joins the show to give his take on the prolonged shutdowns and the massive protests erupting nationwide as a result.
https://www.infowars.com/bill-gates-plan-to-chip-the-world-explained-watch-live/
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-52704836
this is a report about care homes in Sweden where they were told to not send the elderly to hospital.
Basically they were left to suffocate due to oxygen depletion.
They want a high death count to create the fear.
Cause ...reaction...solution.
The solution is mandatory vaccination with inbuilt technology.
Velcome to zer new world order.
Kevin
Quote from: kevin on May 19, 2020, 07:30:43 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-52704836
this is a report about care homes in Sweden where they were told to not send the elderly to hospital.
Basically they were left to suffocate due to oxygen depletion.
They want a high death count to create the fear.
Cause ...reaction...solution.
The solution is mandatory vaccination with inbuilt technology.
Velcome to zer new world order.
Kevin
Actually problem, reaction, solution, and it's called the Hegelian Dialectic.
Correct spacemaverick.
And as ever they seem to have no empathy towards those they murder to enable their Hegelian dialectic shit to be enabled.
You could be well forgiven for considering them to be not human.
To be some form of reptiles??????????
Kevin
Quote from: astr0144 on May 19, 2020, 07:13:40 AM
(Maybe that last part was AJs own view)
It is, the study (done only by computer, they didn't work with biological material, only simulations) only says that the virus is either a result of chance or was manipulated to affect more humans, but it doesn't point to any possible source and much less to reasons for doing it.
QuoteAlan Dershowitz (US Lawyer) is saying that we have NO rights to refuse vaccines and anyone who does... will be forced to a Doctor to have us injected by force. Alex Jones exploded severely to his comments blowing a fuse !.
I saw a couple of days ago in another forum that there's a 1905 Supreme Court decisions that says that the states have the power to, besides other things, impose mandatory vaccines.
QuoteTrump has been taking some Drug lately that he was led to believe could help him against the virus.
some Drs are now saying its potenitally dangerous and could have bad sid effects.
That's because taking a medicine for something we don't have, expecting that it helps if we catch is more likely to create side effects.
There are no preventive medicines for viruses, only a vaccine can do that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNLjZ6L8tU0&fbclid=IwAR3CKABbIH6eq9kVW7GMsZD26ga-GOqI9_SfwId7u6Q05l5Pu6FhoRw-5Fw
This is difficult to watch, but eventually you may start to see the picture He is trying to paint.
The whole virus circus is garbage, it's an exercise to install total control, if Your happy with that do nothing.
Kevin
Quote from: kevin on May 20, 2020, 06:00:09 AM
This is difficult to watch, but eventually you may start to see the picture He is trying to paint.
Why do you say it's difficult to watch?
(I didn't watch it, I'm not going to waste 50 minutes of my life with this)
I'm pleased president trump watched the dead zone........
https://heavy.com/entertainment/2020/05/dead-zone-plague-coronavirus/
Kevin
Just watched another video from Alex Jones associates..
who now suggests he now believes that Donald Trump has now been converted to go along and favor Vaccines.
It seems that Astra Zenica has now got a go ahead for 300 million Vaccines... and their share prices have skyrocketed since March. as have also another company called Mederna .
Jones really makes all these claims against Gates and his vaccines etc very severely agressively towards him...
Is there any other proof other than AJs views to prove Bill Gates has Killed or damaged people in the way Jones describes....
What other proof can we obtain,...
Its suggested certain other Doctors / Scientists oppose him... but also many support him.
So How do the likes of us get confirmation as to who is right ? and what we should believe.
This maybe my last post for a while. or ever depending what occurs...
So good luck everyone if I do not return.
Quote from: kevin on May 21, 2020, 06:00:42 PM
I'm pleased president trump watched the dead zone........
https://heavy.com/entertainment/2020/05/dead-zone-plague-coronavirus/
Kevin
Quote from: astr0144 on May 21, 2020, 09:39:40 PM
Is there any other proof other than AJs views to prove Bill Gates has Killed or damaged people in the way Jones describes....
I haven't seen any proof, claims.
In ref to the likes of Alex Jones claims on Bill Gates.
Looking at Bill Gates webpage on his Wikipedia page...
There seems only one ref to anyone opposing him and thats from A.J.
But Alex Jones is now saying that the technogy is so great that those in power now can severely Police the internet
and stop many others articles and posts who oppose Gates when they write on sites like twitter / Facebook etc.
To me Jones sounds really quite convincing...
and on and off over the years he has made numerous refs to Gates and still make lots of other facts about the medical and health departments who are connected to World Govt and Gates... that do seem very corrupt if what he is saying is true facts..
But proving these things to the likes of average people is not easy to do as there are no doubt a lot of cover ups.
and a lot of these people are very good liars..
But it just seems not enough other experts who may oppose Gates are coming out to make the public aware..
is it just thats its made too awkward for them now or they get to become maybe seen as unpopular or non professional
or they have too much at stake.. or feel its too much of a risk to them and their families..or risking their jobs etc.
but the thimg is if it is as evil as made out and they know..
if nothings done... the population could be doomed...
Jones is making out one of these viruses vaccines is severely high tech and will screw us all up...and alter many things with in our bodies DNA...almost Alien like...nana tech that alters our cells..
and its suggested high chances of us getting cancers from them as well as other severe side effects othern than ones we are usually aware of..
and that they are creating a scenio to fear into us to want to rush out the vaccines to us as soon as possible without having it correcty tested and proven... so we have much time to question it..
so within a few months... maybe by Sept ..they can be rolling it out on a huge scale world wide...This is the description of two of his recent videos
World Exclusive! mRNA Vaccines Constitute an 'Alien' Nanotech Takeover - FULL SHOW 5/20/20May 21, 2020
The Alex Jones Show
Vanderbilt researchers describe the process as nanotech viruses taking over every cell in the human body. Tune in as we uncover the nanotech technology being introduced during the coronavirus takeover of the globe:
Gates Backed Covid-19 Vaccine Reprograms Cells with Synthetic Nanotech VirusesMay 20, 2020
The Alex Jones Show
Alex Jones breaks down how Vanderbilt researchers describe the process as nanotech viruses taking over every cell in the human body.
Quote from: ArMaP on May 21, 2020, 09:42:10 PM
I haven't seen any proof, claims.
Quote from: ArMaP on May 21, 2020, 09:42:10 PM
I haven't seen any proof, claims.
Take a look here you may find 1 or 2 or 3 or more items.
https://greatgameindia.com/bill-gates-agenda-in-india-exposed-by-robert-kennedy-jr/ (https://greatgameindia.com/bill-gates-agenda-in-india-exposed-by-robert-kennedy-jr/)
That seems a good potentially valid article towards the research E113.
In A.Js video... David Knight talks about Modernas involvement...
Im not sure if Gates is involved direct with it or not or if Astra Zenica maybe as well..
but its suggested that their vaccine will cause cancers..
https://www.modernatx.com/
QuoteWhat is mRNA?
Messenger RNA, or mRNA, plays a fundamental role in human biology, transferring the instructions stored in DNA to make the proteins required in every living cell. Our approach is to use mRNA medicines to instruct a patient's own cells to produce proteins that could prevent, treat, or cure disease
Quote from: Ellirium113 on May 21, 2020, 10:20:17 PM
Take a look here you may find 1 or 2 or 3 or more items.
https://greatgameindia.com/bill-gates-agenda-in-india-exposed-by-robert-kennedy-jr/ (https://greatgameindia.com/bill-gates-agenda-in-india-exposed-by-robert-kennedy-jr/)
Quote from: Ellirium113 on May 21, 2020, 10:20:17 PM
Take a look here you may find 1 or 2 or 3 or more items.
https://greatgameindia.com/bill-gates-agenda-in-india-exposed-by-robert-kennedy-jr/ (https://greatgameindia.com/bill-gates-agenda-in-india-exposed-by-robert-kennedy-jr/)
I didn't have time to read it all (they use too many links, some pointing to the page we are reading, making us go round and round), but when we read the sources it looks more like accusations without confirmation, like when they say that "it was revealed that Bill Gates offered $10 million bribe for a forced vaccination program". The link says nothing like that.
Try this gentleman, he is more credible than Alex Jones. Don't put him down until you listen to him. (my suggestion)
James Corbett at Corbett Report
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7A_cMpKm6w (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7A_cMpKm6w)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igx86PoU7v8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igx86PoU7v8)
Each week he will put out a new video on Bill Gates and he allows for Bill gates excerpts where Bill Gates tells what he and his wife are doing. This deals with vaccinations for coronavirus and just about everything else.
Quote from: spacemaverick on May 22, 2020, 02:19:40 AM
Try this gentleman, he is more credible than Alex Jones. Don't put him down until you listen to him. (my suggestion)
It's easy to be more credible than Alex Jones. :)
I wont put him down because I don't know him, but I wont watch the videos either, they are too long for me.
Quote from: ArMaP on May 22, 2020, 09:13:37 PM
It's easy to be more credible than Alex Jones. :)
I wont put him down because I don't know him, but I wont watch the videos either, they are too long for me.
Your choice....it's hard to judge a video if you don't watch it.
Quote from: spacemaverick on May 23, 2020, 03:05:15 AM
Your choice....it's hard to judge a video if you don't watch it.
That's why I didn't judge it. :)
I think if we should point out the timestamps of particular areas of LONG videos to check out that would help. Some of us don't have the time to watch very long vids.
Quote from: Ellirium113 on May 23, 2020, 01:11:36 PM
I think if we should point out the timestamps of particular areas of LONG videos to check out that would help. Some of us don't have the time to watch very long vids.
Actually a good idea! James Corbett reports are about 30 minutes long.
Roll up, roll up for the wonderful vaccine ......
https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/salud/salud_vacunas26.htm?fbclid=IwAR0uqc2PWZoZS2-bnu5bFvevBTZfhWUbRkU-vMy2XjeDgB4TySa9rL_Fqng
Afterall Mr gates says that without it there will be no return to normal.
He does want to de populate You know, doesn't hide it, grins when talking about it
Kevin
Quote from: kevin on May 23, 2020, 06:35:37 PM
Afterall Mr gates says that without it there will be no return to normal.
I wonder why some people give him so much importance (specially those that are against him).
QuoteHe does want to de populate You know, doesn't hide it, grins when talking about it
His idea is to create the conditions for people to have less children.
In some societies having many children is the only way of having a relatively comfortable
old age (I put old age in italics because in those countries the life expectancy is low when compared with the richer countries, with, for example, Portugal having a life expectancy of 82 and Nigeria only 58). As infant mortality is very high in those countries (around 7% for Nigeria and 0.4% for Portugal) people know they have to have many children. Also, having many children means having many working hands in the family.
By reducing infant mortality people do not need to have as many children, and by creating better conditions people can live longer, again reducing the need to have many children.
That's what happened in Europe and in the US, as people up to the industrial revolution needed to have many children so they could have a good chance of their children reaching adulthood (my maternal grandmother had 4 siblings, of which only one (besides her) got to be old enough to marry and have children). Also, having many children meant having many working hands to work the land or for the factories, so while the rich provided the land and factories the poor provided the hands at a cheap price.
That's why they call the workers proletariat, a word that comes from the Latin word proletarius, which means having children (that's why we use the word "prole" in Portuguese to mean "offspring"), as the only thing they could provide was their work and children.
The invention of vaccines created a huge reduction in deaths from smallpox, allowing a higher number of people to reach adulthood in Europe, which in turn allowed for longer working lives and gave people time to teach their children and grandchildren.
With the rise in industrialisation being also applied to agriculture brought cheaper food, which, along with higher wages given to the workers, a result of a rise of demand for workers for the rising number of factories, resulted in a better average life for the workers, so at the middle of the 20th century, European families had less children that those 50 years before them. With electricity becoming widespread, resulting in new developments in industry and creating the bases for the IT society, the situation kept on the same direction, with people having less and lees children, resulting in an old population in Western countries, with the mean age in Europe being 43.1 years while in Africa its 19.7.
So, the idea is that vaccinating people will lead to longer lives and lower infant mortality, which leads to people having less children. Increasing quality of life also increases life expectancy and, again, reduces the number of children people feel is the ideal, resulting in a slowing of the increase of population in the world.
That's how Bill Gates (and others) say they want to reduce the world population: creating better conditions for people to live, so they do not need to have as many children as they do now, reducing the growth of the population, not the population.
I'm from a Catholic/Mormon family. My mother was one of four children, and my father was one of either 12 or 13. Some of my father's siblings died in infancy. I know both churches still encourage having "as many children as God gives you," but I don't know that either one has offered any actual advice regarding the economics of large families. It might be better to have negative population growth for a time, to allow our Mother Earth to heal.
In ref to can we prove if Bill Gates is legit or NOT...
IF he does have the intentions that Alex Jones suggests.. and intends to vaccine all of us or chip us all...
in a way that would be very negitive to us all...
That MAYBE the Most impotrant issue that we have to be concerned about at the moment..
But of the few of us who comment in this thread...
we dont really have a lot of agreement of full evidence to agree to one way r the other as yet...
and still maore likely will be like this until a vaccine may get suggested...or that the authorities start to insist everyone must agree to it all..
Quote from: astr0144 on May 27, 2020, 05:18:37 PM
In ref to can we prove if Bill Gates is legit or NOT...
IF he does have the intentions that Alex Jones suggests.. and intends to vaccine all of us or chip us all...
in a way that would be very negitive to us all...
First question: why should we believe Alex Jones?
Quote from: astr0144 on May 27, 2020, 05:18:37 PM
In ref to can we prove if Bill Gates is legit or NOT...
IF he does have the intentions that Alex Jones suggests.. and intends to vaccine all of us or chip us all...
in a way that would be very negitive to us all...
That MAYBE the Most impotrant issue that we have to be concerned about at the moment..
But of the few of us who comment in this thread...
we dont really have a lot of agreement of full evidence to agree to one way r the other as yet...
and still maore likely will be like this until a vaccine may get suggested...or that the authorities start to insist everyone must agree to it all..
Bill Gates is reportedly working on 8 different Vaccines. Other people (NOT BILL GATES) are also making vaccines. So even IF the theory of Gates wanting to reduce numbers through a vaccination program turns out to be true, that might only apply to the 8 vaccines and will be very traceable if people with THOSE specific vaccines start dropping. This will confirm the conspiracy theorist's allegations and open the floodgates for Gates to begin defending himself from the massive blowback he would get over it. In essence there is a battle over getting a vaccine to production first to be the dominant leader in sales. Already plans are in the works to prevent people from suing the vaccine companies if it doesn't work as advertised.
I have explained this on other occasions... such as some past other major things that occurred such as the death of Bin Larden as an eg where he informed his followers or suggested that his death was a 3rd time occasion..
plus other people who have been on his show and interest shown to him from Donald Trump at one time.
and some other influencial peopple of whom many may trust their judgement to some degree..
in terms of the actual virus... or Bill Gates....
I can only go off him making comments on the likes of Gerge Sorus and Bill Gates over many years.
he has claims of connections to other insiders etc who claims to be more aware of Gates agendas..
But to be it can be seen like politics... both partys may may make out to be knowledgable / honest...as to why we should trust them..
We can always say how do we beleieve anything or anyone !
is whatever we may think only an individuals opinion ?
Quote from: ArMaP on May 27, 2020, 10:41:40 PM
First question: why should we believe Alex Jones?
You may make some valid worthwhile points to further consider E113.
I do just hope that any other organisations ar not totally controlled by the W.H.O of its suggested Bills Gates controls.
but as far as I am aware ,chances are ...that have to connected to it...
It would be more comforting if there were some more trusted compnaies involved in the developement or could have opposing views and control if need be ...or say on such things if they challenged things from Gates or W.H.O..that can also offer us alternatives...
Quote from: Ellirium113 on May 28, 2020, 12:03:30 AM
Bill Gates is reportedly working on 8 different Vaccines. Other people (NOT BILL GATES) are also making vaccines. So even IF the theory of Gates wanting to reduce numbers through a vaccination program turns out to be true, that might only apply to the 8 vaccines and will be very traceable if people with THOSE specific vaccines start dropping. This will confirm the conspiracy theorist's allegations and open the floodgates for Gates to begin defending himself from the massive blowback he would get over it. In essence there is a battle over getting a vaccine to production first to be the dominant leader in sales. Already plans are in the works to prevent people from suing the vaccine companies if it doesn't work as advertised.
Quote from: astr0144 on May 28, 2020, 04:49:27 PM
I have explained this on other occasions... such as some past other major things that occurred such as the death of Bin Larden as an eg where he informed his followers or suggested that his death was a 3rd time occasion..
How can that be a reason to believe him? Did he say how and when Bin Ladden would be killed?
Quoteplus other people who have been on his show and interest shown to him from Donald Trump at one time.
and some other influencial peopple of whom many may trust their judgement to some degree..
That's no reason to believe him.
QuoteI can only go off him making comments on the likes of Gerge Sorus and Bill Gates over many years.
he has claims of connections to other insiders etc who claims to be more aware of Gates agendas..
"Claims" that are never proved are just that, so why should we believe some guy that claims many things he can't prove?
I don't.
QuoteWe can always say how do we beleieve anything or anyone !
is whatever we may think only an individuals opinion ?
I tend to believe people that:
- are talking about things they are supposed to know;
- are proved to be right in previous occasions when talking about that subject;
- they are not talking about other people, specially people with whom they are not connected;
- they say things that can be verified as true, in which they base their opinions, and they present their opinions as being opinions instead of presenting them as facts.
Another thing in ref to Alex Jones from my point of view and I assume others who have followed him over some years.. is that things vary on and off and memories can change...or become faded or confused....
or we recall seeing some facts that get discussed at various times... that we may then get our facts rather mixed up..
and maybe cannot really recall exactly what was said or we recall some various versions of things that may had altered over time..
In my earlier days on obverving Jones and when I become member on PRC... I used to think that many members on here had similar views and were followers of people like Jones...Especially like Zorgon who was our main leader... that if he maybe seemed to agree that maybe others suported his views...(Although often "Z" would make other suggestions to AJs views..)
But as we get older wiser etc... we may observe such things are not always that way..or we have misjudged. or views may change.. or we may alter and then at sometime revert back again...
As I had at one time followed Jones a Lot over at least 2 years at one time on a regular basis..
I also had some of my views based on certain things that I had studied and maybe been led to believe..
So often Jones views seemed to go along with the others things that I had studied..
so maybe thats why I took a fair amount of notice from his views..
He certainly appeared to me as if he had studied certain things in immense detail.. and had a very wide knowledge in certain areas.. at least more than any one I was aware off when I was younger..
He also seemed to at one time often referring to many suggested False flags that were occurring around the World at one stage..when many terror type situations seemed to be occurring...
Then he went on a lot about the Clintons... and his claims of many of their negitive sides.. as well as about Obama.
Now When Trump got elected... Many of the things Jones talked about.... Donald Trump also referred to them.
So for me... I saw Trump maybe to be more trust worthy... and I believed that he was to do things better than the democrats ....in which in many I believe that to have been so.. at least upto Covid 19..
So thats some reasons why I do value Jones opinions..
Proving certain things... are not always possible.and I used to assume some of his guests were trusted experts...but no doubt some have proven unworthy..although at times they may had believed genuinely that they were right..
NO Jones never said HOW and When Bin Larden would be killed...What makes you ask me that ?
As far as I know I never refered to that at all...
I just said that from what I recall on one or some of his videos... he claimed that past things had been suggested from various sources that he believed in.. had suggested that Bin Larden had been killed on at least 3 prior occasions..
HOWEVER ... I MAY had also thought or related to maybe another statement that Bin Larden had been captured on more than one occasion... and some how mixed that up with him also having died on on those occasions..
As far as I recall Bin Larden did not get captured more than once.. at least in terms of what the public were made to believe..
On a quick search I can find some articles that refer to some other past dates..
but I cannot find any of the main media articles referring to it..in such a way it would had become major news..say for eg if he was claimed to ha died back in 2001 or 2002.. which some articles have suggested..
one article suggested its occurred on 9 occasions..if one could believe that ..
Not likely to be a very trusted source.. but it does make some ref to Bin Larden being killed more than one occasion.
that was suggested as May 2011....but if I recall they never showed his body to prove it...and told some very weird story that I could not believe and thats why I would believe Jones view more..and COULD never trust what the seal team told us.. that seemed utter BS...
Alex Jones: Killing of bin Laden Claimed Nine Separate Times
https://goldenageofgaia.com/2011/05/04/alex-jones-claims-of-killing-bin-laden-nine-separate-times/
Top US Government Insider: Bin Laden Died In 2001, 9/11 A False Flag
https://www.prisonplanet.com/top-us-government-insider-bin-laden-died-in-2001-911-a-false-flag.html
This guy ..Dr. Steve R. Pieczenik was on Jones show a lot at one time.. who I used to think could be trusted..
that I thought may had also been ex CIA... (Not that we can trust them too easily)
but Jones got a lot of such people who he claimed spilled the real stories..behind the scenes..
Theydid appear to be very intellegent...and maybe thats why I may have tended to consider them worthy sources at that time...but my views could now be more wary of such people..as often I do think its hard to judge what to believe.
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Top US government insider Dr. Steve R. Pieczenik, a man who held numerous different influential positions under three different Presidents and still works with the Defense Department, shockingly told The Alex Jones Show yesterday that Osama Bin Laden died in 2001 and that he was prepared to testify in front of a grand jury how a top general told him directly that 9/11 was a false flag inside job
This article make a ref to Bin Larden having died in 2002 from Jones...
so we now have at least 3 date referred to.... one for 2001.. another 2002, and the main one we are most recent led to believe in 2011.https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/sociopol_binladen15.htm
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Alex Jones was told live on the radio in 2002 by high-level Council on Foreign Relations members that Osama Bin Laden had died of kidney failure in early 2002.
Quote from: ArMaP on May 28, 2020, 09:17:53 PM
How can that be a reason to believe him? Did he say how and when Bin Ladden would be killed?
That's no reason to believe him.
"Claims" that are never proved are just that, so why should we believe some guy that claims many things he can't prove?
I don't.
I tend to believe people that:
- are talking about things they are supposed to know;
- are proved to be right in previous occasions when talking about that subject;
- they are not talking about other people, specially people with whom they are not connected;
- they say things that can be verified as true, in which they base their opinions, and they present their opinions as being opinions instead of presenting them as facts.
The things Alex Jones says can (apparently) be found on any conspiracy theory site.
Using people that talk as if they are specialists means nothing if they do not really have the qualifications, but they convince many people. It's like on the adverts on TV, when some woman appears on screen along with the text "(some name), laundry specialist", but on the footer, on very small letters, it says "contracted actor" or something like that.
Maybe so or not ArMaP..
Its always hard to know what to believe may be truth.
Now we have the race riots occuring in the USA in ref to the death of George Floyd at the hands of police, which devolved into looting, violence, and mayhem....so Lock down in certain places has come to a halt.
This is a copy of related articles just posted on A.Js infowars..
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European Union Begs President Trump To Reconsider Decision To Cut Ties With W.H.O.
So why doesn't EU fork over $400 million annually to fund their precious globalist institution?
Infowars.com - May 30, 2020 15 Reacties
European Union Begs President Trump To Reconsider Decision To Cut Ties With W.H.O.
Image Credits: Thierry Monasse/picture alliance via Getty Images.
The European Union (EU) is asking the Trump administration to reconsider its decision to end America's relationship with the World Health Organization (WHO).
In a statement released Saturday, European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen and top EU official Josep Borrell stressed that the WHO must "lead the international response to pandemics," but to do that WHO must receive U.S. funding.
"Global cooperation and solidarity through multilateral efforts are the only effective and viable avenues to win this battle the world is facing," von der Leyen wrote.
"The WHO needs to continue being able to lead the international response to pandemics, current and future. For this, the participation and support of all is required and very much needed."
Von der Leyen added that America should "avoid" actions that "weaken" the global body.
"In the face of this global threat, now is the time for enhanced cooperation and common solutions. Actions that weaken international results must be avoided," von der Leyen wrote.
"In this context, we urge the US to reconsider its announced decision."
Trump announced Friday that the U.S. is "terminating" its relationship with the WHO over its poor response to the coronavirus and its unusually close relationship with China.
"China has total control over the World Health Organization," said Trump Friday. "Today we will be terminating our relationship with the WHO and redirecting those funds to other worldwide and deserving urgent global public health needs."
"China's coverup of the Wuhan virus allowed the disease to spread all over the world. Chinese officials ignored their reporting obligations to the WHO and pressured the WHO to mislead the world when the virus was first discovered by Chinese authorities," Trump added.
https://www.infowars.com/european-union-begs-president-trump-to-reconsider-decision-to-cut-ties-with-w-h-o/
Why Does Bill Gates Want To Block Out The Sun?The elite have a deep understanding of the Sun's life-sustaining powers
Why does billionaire globalist Bill Gates, and the foundation he runs with his wife Melinda, invest time and money in blocking out the light coming to earth from our sun?
https://www.infowars.com/why-does-bill-gates-want-to-block-out-the-sun/
The video did not seem to work when I tried it.. so we may have to see if A.J rectifies it to find out what its about.
On looking on Firefox browser the video appears on the website, but on google chrome it does not show the video when I just checked ... so maybe hes ammending the issues..
Quote from: ArMaP on May 29, 2020, 01:13:53 AM
The things Alex Jones says can (apparently) be found on any conspiracy theory site.
Using people that talk as if they are specialists means nothing if they do not really have the qualifications, but they convince many people. It's like on the adverts on TV, when some woman appears on screen along with the text "(some name), laundry specialist", but on the footer, on very small letters, it says "contracted actor" or something like that.
Just some thoughtsastro0144
Impeachment replaced by COVID-19, then replaced by riots whose actions of one idiot (notice I said 1) cop ignited riots. Now the Mayor of St. Paul saying those arrested are from outside the area. Orchestration much? Just my opinion of course.
I think that I know what you mean Spacemav, but maybe not totally sure what you mean by Orchestration.!
would that mean another created distraction maybe in ref to Trumps Impeachment issue...
My opinion on that at stage in ref to this event would be Id be surprised if its some sort diliberate distraction... but it could be a possibility if thats what you are referring to..or like a further false flag...set up
Quoteorchestration
the planning or coordination of the elements of a situation to produce a desired effect, especially surreptitiously.
Quotesurreptitiously
in a way that attempts to avoid notice or attention; secretively.
would that suggest something done deliberate to create or distract... rather than just a poor judgement on the Policemans behalf.
In terms of the Cop issue... and what occurred from that...
On looking at the news incident of it... it appears the policeman involved held the man down with excessive force on his head or neck that may had cut his circulation off...
I do not think for one Minute things are ever easy for Police when they have to restrain people and one can understand how such things can happen at the heat of the moment.
But also in ref to George Floyde and his family if he was innocent it has been most unfortunate...
I thought on the news it was showing riots having since starting to occur in various places around the USA.. not just where the incident took place..
Quote from: spacemaverick on May 30, 2020, 08:59:37 PM
Just some thoughtsastro0144
Impeachment replaced by COVID-19, then replaced by riots whose actions of one idiot (notice I said 1) cop ignited riots. Now the Mayor of St. Paul saying those arrested are from outside the area. Orchestration much? Just my opinion of course.
Quote from: astr0144 on May 30, 2020, 07:39:23 PM
Its always hard to know what to believe may be truth.
Only if you don't look for the sources of information, as that makes things easier. :)
QuoteThis is a copy of related articles just posted on A.Js infowars..
And a good example of how easy it is to make things look different from the truth.
Here (https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/statement_20_983) you have the original statement from the EU commission. In it (like in the excerpts used on Alex Jones' article) you can see that do not talk about money, so Alex Jones' conclusion that to be able to lead the international response to pandemics the "WHO must receive U.S. funding" is not there.
You can also see something that the AJ's article omits, that
all WHO members decided on an "impartial, independent and comprehensive evaluation" of the response to this pandemic, so it means the US also agreed to that, but now, before that evaluation starts, they want to leave the WHO.
Also, although the US gives more money that other countries, nobody is forcing them to do it, as the donations are voluntary, so the US could just give less money.
QuoteWhy does billionaire globalist Bill Gates, and the foundation he runs with his wife Melinda, invest time and money in blocking out the light coming to earth from our sun?
Another misleading statement, and even more so in the video, when they ask "Why does Bill Gates and his foundation want to control the weather?"
According to the images the video shows, Bill Gates (and not his foundation) is one of several entities that gave money to experiments to see how effective geoengineering could be. The experiment they talk about in the video was to see how the particles spread in the stratosphere would disperse, to see if that could be used in geoengineering.
QuoteThe video did not seem to work when I tried it.. so we may have to see if A.J rectifies it to find out what its about.
It worked for me on my main browser, Opera.
Quote from: astr0144 on May 30, 2020, 09:25:24 PM
I think that I know what you mean Spacemav, but maybe not totally sure what you mean by Orchestration.!
Quotewould that suggest some done deliberate to create or distract... rather than just a poor judgement on the Policemans behalf.
I may be wrong, but I think that what
spacemaverick means is how this event was used by the media, not the event in itself.
Quote from: astr0144 on May 30, 2020, 09:25:24 PM
I think that I know what you mean Spacemav, but maybe not totally sure what you mean by Orchestration.!
would that mean another created distraction maybe in ref to Trumps Impeachment issue...
My opinion on that at stage in ref to this event would be Id be surprised if its some sort diliberate distraction... but it could be a possibility if thats what you are referring to..or like a further false flag...set up
would that suggest some done deliberate to create or distract... rather than just a poor judgement on the Policemans behalf.
In terms of the Cop issue... and what occurred from that...
On looking at the news incident of it... it appears the policeman involved held the man down with excessive force on his head or neck that may had cut his circulation off...
I do not think for one Minute things are ever easy for Police when they have to restrain people and one can understand how such things can happen at the heat of the moment.
But also in ref to George Floyde and his family if he was innocent it has been most unfortunate...
I thought on the news it was showing riots having since starting to occur in various places around the USA.. not just where the incident took place..
Having been in law enforcement myself, the gentleman was already handcuffed with more officers present. He should have been placed ina car with a cage in it and that was all. Many of my colleagues have said the same thing. What he did he should have been stopped by one of the officers on the scene even though he was most senior. Most senior becomes the incident command officer nad makes him in charge of the scene. This kind of training come under National Incident Command Training. Once the suspect is subdued and under control, all further force is not needed. Even though he was senior that does not excuse the other others for failure to act. This will go all the way back to when he was trained and all subsequent training. This is the normal investigation procedure internally as well as for criminal and civil. Of course, there is the thin blue line that some will not cross because of the culture, but that is no excuse for breaking the law, policy, and procedure.
Quote from: ArMaP on May 30, 2020, 10:05:23 PM
I may be wrong, but I think that what spacemaverick means is how this event was used by the media, not the event in itself.
Used by the media itself...yes...sorry about that...I should have been more clear.
Nationally with the various riots, I believe them to be orchestrated by an organization but have no proof as of yet.
There was a mention on the news that the Policeman who restrained the man, had been done on quite a few other occasions for over use of force...
I understand that other officers maybe should have challenged him... but during the moments of the 7 minutes..
under the event / stress of it all... things just got overlooked or maybe other officers had some fear in relation to
the Cop if he was senior to them...thats it may had been hard for them to challenge him at te heat of the moment.
It may have also been an over reaction.... as sometimes I imaginge trying to restrain certain people can vary as to how
hard one will act upon a suspect.. especially if the person being restrained seems more agressive or stronger than average.. I think thats where judgements vary on individuals own strengths or weaknesses in how well that they may do things....
but yes no doubt questions will be asked and the incident will be scrutinised in detail.
QuoteNationally with the various riots, I believe them to be orchestrated by an organization but have no proof as of yet.
Quote
Having been in law enforcement myself, the gentleman was already handcuffed with more officers present. He should have been placed ina car with a cage in it and that was all. Many of my colleagues have said the same thing. What he did he should have been stopped by one of the officers on the scene even though he was most senior. Most senior becomes the incident command officer nad makes him in charge of the scene. This kind of training come under National Incident Command Training. Once the suspect is subdued and under control, all further force is not needed. Even though he was senior that does not excuse the other others for failure to act. This will go all the way back to when he was trained and all subsequent training. This is the normal investigation procedure internally as well as for criminal and civil. Of course, there is the thin blue line that some will not cross because of the culture, but that is no excuse for breaking the law, policy, and procedure.
I am not really sure wht you both mean in relation to the event being used by the media...
in what way do you mean this ?... do you mean the media has since heightened the issue that led to the after events from the public... or as a means of further distractions to other issues...be it Trump or CV19 related or something else ?
Quote from: spacemaverick on May 30, 2020, 10:13:32 PM
Used by the media itself...yes...sorry about that...I should have been more clear.
ArMaP
QuoteI may be wrong, but I think that what spacemaverick means is how this event was used by the media, not the event in itself.
I have not really studied what has been said or watched the video as yet..
I was just thinking that Maybe Trump was showing some concerns over the W.H.O as suggested by A.J in a previous
video ... in which he claims that Bill Gates had been connected to the W.H.O...and that maybe Trump was opposing it if he does have issues with Bill Gates agendas as was suggested by A.J on one of his recent videos...
that was what I initially thought he was trying to indicate that maybe Trump was showing some further resistance to the WHO. I have not checked the finer details...
In ref to Bill Gates ref to control the Weather ... thats new to me.. and if he is involved I will have to now try to gain more understanding what that may involve..
but messing about with the weather other than HARRP may seem rather concerning...
why would they need to do this ? I wonder... what are their suggested reasons ? and I wonder how others who oppose it may view it....if it is seen as a concern if aimed to alter the conditions somehow.. without long term data to back up what may happen if they attempt to alter things in the atmosphere that could alter the weather...etc..
I may try your Opera browser, I have been looking for an alternative ! :)
Quote from: ArMaP on May 30, 2020, 10:02:12 PM
Only if you don't look for the sources of information, as that makes things easier. :)
And a good example of how easy it is to make things look different from the truth.
Here (https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/statement_20_983) you have the original statement from the EU commission. In it (like in the excerpts used on Alex Jones' article) you can see that do not talk about money, so Alex Jones' conclusion that to be able to lead the international response to pandemics the "WHO must receive U.S. funding" is not there.
You can also see something that the AJ's article omits, that all WHO members decided on an "impartial, independent and comprehensive evaluation" of the response to this pandemic, so it means the US also agreed to that, but now, before that evaluation starts, they want to leave the WHO.
Also, although the US gives more money that other countries, nobody is forcing them to do it, as the donations are voluntary, so the US could just give less money.
Another misleading statement, and even more so in the video, when they ask "Why does Bill Gates and his foundation want to control the weather?"
According to the images the video shows, Bill Gates (and not his foundation) is one of several entities that gave money to experiments to see how effective geoengineering could be. The experiment they talk about in the video was to see how the particles spread in the stratosphere would disperse, to see if that could be used in geoengineering.
It worked for me on my main browser, Opera.
I guess I'm confusing you all, sorry.
Okay, here is what I was trying to say. When we have had riots in various cities in the past, there was found to be an organization behind it. I am saying the same thing here. I have no positive proof. This is just my opinion. However, when a St. Paul Mayor says people arrested are from out of town, I say there is something to it. There are other mayors now saying the same thing. When we had the Trump inauguration, we encountered the same thing and there was proof that ANTIFA was involved. Not saying that here though. I am guessing that the Democratic Socialists of America may be involved. I hear of snippets of information regarding the DSA in this case. (Just my opinion)
I agree with you 1000%. This is organized warfare, instigated by the far left. DemoRATS leaders are bailing out these criminals and that's all you need to know. They are not peaceful protesters, but organized thugs. >:(
https://www.news4jax.com/news/national/2020/05/30/complaint-autopsy-reveals-nothing-to-support-strangulation-as-cause-of-george-floyds-death/
Complaint: Autopsy reveals nothing to support strangulation as cause of George Floyd's death
"an autopsy revealed nothing to support strangulation as the cause of death. The exam concluded that the combined effects of being restrained, potential intoxicants in Floyd's system and his underlying health issues, including heart disease, likely contributed to his death."
Now both sides will hire 'experts' to counter each other....
Did it look terrible, yes....did these actions cause his death? Probably not....
Can you imagine what will happen if they get intelligent jurors to decided this case and they find the officer 'not guilty'?...
Same thing as Rodney King and Michael Brown....
OH and BTW....hold your breathe and then try to talk....you can't do it....it's impossible...so if you're talking, you can breathe....J/S ::)
So what happened to 'social distancing' ? Man the CoronaVirus bees spradin' everywhere....But Antifa thugs all have masks anyway...so we bees good.... ;)
https://www.worldwideentertainmenttv.com/new-alternate-footage-shows-3-officers-holding-down-george-floyd/
There were three holding Him down, and in the video on that link You can see the fourth one get something out of the vehicle and hand it to one holding Him down?
Do they carry injections to calm people?
Kevin
Quote from: kevin on June 01, 2020, 02:36:36 PM
https://www.worldwideentertainmenttv.com/new-alternate-footage-shows-3-officers-holding-down-george-floyd/
There were three holding Him down, and in the video on that link You can see the fourth one get something out of the vehicle and hand it to one holding Him down?
Do they carry injections to calm people?
Kevin
I've seen this video before...what the one officer retrieves look to be keys....probably for cuffs or leg restrains...it's not clear....
Quote from: Sgt.Rocknroll on June 01, 2020, 11:48:50 AM
"an autopsy revealed nothing to support strangulation as the cause of death. The exam concluded that the combined effects of being restrained, potential intoxicants in Floyd's system and his underlying health issues, including heart disease, likely contributed to his death."
I saw that a couple of days ago, and I didn't like it, because of that "potential intoxicants in Floyd's system". If they didn't find them they shouldn't mention them.
QuoteDid it look terrible, yes....did these actions cause his death? Probably not....
I think it's likely that they did, being not able to breath for several minutes damages the body.
QuoteOH and BTW....hold your breathe and then try to talk....you can't do it....it's impossible...so if you're talking, you can breathe....J/S ::)
You can, what makes it difficult to speak is breathing too fast.
Well I don't know of anyone lying on his stomach holding his breathe and speaking, let alone naturely.
Seeing further what has been said and what has happened ... its quite hard to believe the outcome.
If the Police did not need to hold George Floyde down as long as they appear to have done so...
and I think you could imagine his breathing at least restricted..even if he was able to talk... or his blood flow to his brain/head could had been reduced if the Cop was pressing on one of his neck arteries that takes blood upto the brain..
Then how George died... its seems that it could have been avoided.. and they did not act correctly as Spacemaverick has explained.
I found it concerning on How Trump responded... quickly referring to riots theft met with Military with guns..
There may be some groups involved but it seems no doubt many other members of the public have since joined in at various locations around the USA on a huge scale..
As has been said, similar to this have occurred before... and it could also be part of a polictical opportunity ploy...
Its hard to belive how such a thing can occurr and what can follow in such a short time...and the destruction involved..
People die everyday in bad situations...and maybe even by authorities..(Police / Military etc) but this incident certainly has led to severe explosive effects..
One may wonder if say that some groups or opposing party wanted to do some sort of set up..
Although very unlikely due to seeing the people involved after such as george Floydes family / brother etc
That if who ever were to have some how set this such a type of incident up to make it look for real...
similar to a false flag... if they would have used someone who say had few connections or family to come forward..
if they were able to use some planted Cop.. they make this look for real... but the persons involved may have just acted it out... then if they used fake ambulance etc...and others involved in the background they could make things up...
if they were planning on using this to further upset things and make huges distractions from all the other things going on..
I mean with Covid virus deaths you never get to see what happens to the people who die.. so do we really know what has happened in this case..
Paul J Watson Alex Jones side kick.... has some articles of some other theories... one being that Russias funding the riots..
https://summit.news/2020/06/02/obama-national-security-advisor-claims-russia-is-funding-rioting-in-us/
https://summit.news/
quote from Sgt RR
Quotehttps://www.news4jax.com/news/national/2020/05/30/complaint-autopsy-reveals-nothing-to-support-strangulation-as-cause-of-george-floyds-death/
Complaint: Autopsy reveals nothing to support strangulation as cause of George Floyd's death
"an autopsy revealed nothing to support strangulation as the cause of death. The exam concluded that the combined effects of being restrained, potential intoxicants in Floyd's system and his underlying health issues, including heart disease, likely contributed to his death."
Now both sides will hire 'experts' to counter each other....
Did it look terrible, yes....did these actions cause his death? Probably not...
Quote from: spacemaverick on May 31, 2020, 03:37:23 AM
Okay, here is what I was trying to say. When we have had riots in various cities in the past, there was found to be an organization behind it. I am saying the same thing here. I have no positive proof. This is just my opinion. However, when a St. Paul Mayor says people arrested are from out of town, I say there is something to it. There are other mayors now saying the same thing. When we had the Trump inauguration, we encountered the same thing and there was proof that ANTIFA was involved. Not saying that here though. I am guessing that the Democratic Socialists of America may be involved. I hear of snippets of information regarding the DSA in this case. (Just my opinion)
I really don't care if people protest and march, but when the radical left unleashes their hords of losers and destroy and burn, it's a bit much to stand by and watch this crap.
A good portion of people couldn't give two hoots and a hollar about Floyd. They got an axe to grind.
Its most unfortunate what has occurred since and no doubt hard to accept..
similar things have happened before..
Today In the UK (and I assume USA and elsewhere)..
They are making quite a concern in the media of the incident being a Black race issue thing..
coming up with Black Lives Matter.
They appear to be trying to educate the UK viewers on a Main morning TV program about trying to come to terms with racism... based on this recent event...
But they have been trying to do that know for some years already since the huge influx that we now have in the UK other other nationalities..
and who is to say that a similar incident could not have occurred to a white person..
Was the Cop doing what he did as a racist thing.... maybe..and you would assume these days you have to be fully aware that almost everyone can now record incidents..so if he was... he was either very careless, if it was not is intention to get noticed in the way he has been..
Was he somehow trying to create race issues acting on behalf of who ever..
or was just the heat of the moment that went on longer than the norm...and he over reacted with too much force.
Another issue that they have brought out today in the UK is... if you have a partner who lives elsewhere... you cannot meet up to do as consulting adults on having sex basis.. ???
QuotePiers Morgan engaged in a furious row with Tory MP Tobias Ellwood over the Government's new lockdown sex ban
It comes a day after the Government rolled out lockdown guidelines that include the clause that completely bans two people from separate households gathering in a private place.
Piers kicked off the clash by asking Mr Ellwood via videolink: "why are you banning sex?"
The politician initially refused to comment, telling Piers he was not aware of the story and urged him to move on.
Refusing to take no for an answer, Piers snapped: "I've just read it to you."
The politician initially refused to comment, telling Piers he was not aware of the story and urged him to move on
The politician initially refused to comment, telling Piers he was not aware of the story and urged him to move onCredit: ITV
Growing increasingly frustrated, Mr Ellwood sniped it was another example of why his party was boycotting the show.
After being pressed further by the Daily Mail's Andrew Pierce, Mr Ellwood finally admitted that it sounded "ridiculous".
He said: "On the face of it, it does sound ridiculous, but you don't respect the fact that if I've not read into the story..."
Piers shouted: "You've just answered the question that I asked you 10 minutes ago. The reason you didn't want to answer is because you hadn't read the story, which I read to you four times.
"I don't know what more I can do to help you."
Piers didn't hold back in the clash
dont click on lik if you dont trust cookies...
https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbiz/11761582/piers-morgan-clash-tobias-ellwood-sex-ban/
Quote from: Sgt.Rocknroll on June 02, 2020, 01:07:43 PM
I really don't care if people protest and march, but when the radical left unleashes their hords of losers and destroy and burn, it's a bit much to stand by and watch this crap.
A good portion of people couldn't give to hoots and a hollar about Floyd. They got an axe to grind.
Quote from: astr0144 on June 02, 2020, 05:07:46 PM
They are making quite a concern in the media of the incident being a Black race issue thing..
coming up with Black Lives Matter.
They are because they (whoever "they" may be) have something to gain from making it a racial issue.
While it's possible that there was a racist motive to use excessive force it's also possible that it was a personal reason, as they worked at the same time as security guards on a bar.
I not sure I agree that this is made totally obvious that it was a racial incident..
Police (Inc white police can act similar to their own race when over reacting with force or during violent incidents)
People are assuming that.. but what evidence is there in reality ? Is it a media thing that has also sparked this off more !
Has the Cop admitted to that ?
I was not aware that they may have had some past connection.. I have issed seeing that mentioned ...
Quote from: ArMaP on June 02, 2020, 11:58:34 PM
They are because they (whoever "they" may be) have something to gain from making it a racial issue.
While it's possible that there was a racist motive to use excessive force it's also possible that it was a personal reason, as they worked at the same time as security guards on a bar.