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Noah's ark found...?
(http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/1579/noahsark.jpg)
http://www.arkdiscovery.com/noah's_ark.htm (http://www.arkdiscovery.com/noah's_ark.htm)


Easter Island Moa's covered by...? Great Flood?
(http://seeker401.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/easter-island-statue-excavation.jpg?w=497&h=623)
http://seeker401.wordpress.com/2011/10/29/easter-island-heads-have-bodies/ (http://seeker401.wordpress.com/2011/10/29/easter-island-heads-have-bodies/)

http://www.eisp.org/3879/ (http://www.eisp.org/3879/)

Ancient Olmec (South-Central Mexico) tablet depicting volcanic eruption and flooding...?
(http://img600.imageshack.us/img600/9795/olmec.jpg)


Large impact crater at the Top of South America...?
(http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/6743/topsamericaimpact1.jpg)


Large impact crater at the Southern Tip of South America...?
(http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/1395/tipsamericaimpact2.jpg)

Ain't that a kick in the nuts...
(http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/2112/ballsr.jpg)

Quote from: Captain Dave on April 14, 2012, 08:52:53 AM
Noah's ark found...?
(http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/1579/noahsark.jpg)
http://www.arkdiscovery.com/noah's_ark.htm (http://www.arkdiscovery.com/noah's_ark.htm)

there's an interesting video on the subject but only regarding evidence on the other side of the atlantic. nothing about this side of the planet.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uV4cIOg-DFY

Good question, Dave, and that Hoah's Ark site is eerily similar to a boat isnt it?

And, yes Ive been kicked in the proverbial "nutz" and it is the ultimate pain!LOL!!!!!!!!

When we say "Noah"s" flood, we are already forcing our selves into a strictured timeline, which has been debated with little finality for hundreds of years. Throughout the worlds history, the strata shows many instances of huge flood and weather events in every geological region, and throughout all periods of humanities existence, and preexistence. As you suggest, asteroids and meteors were most likely the cause os many events, but there is a something different about the flood of the bible.

In a conversation with Hobbit, months ago, he posed the theory of how the Earth's oceans became suspended somehow in the air through a pole shift or gravitational anomaly(cant remember how he said exactly) and had fallen back to Earth in one fell swoop and splash.
Truly it's a wild idea, but when he brought it up and described it, it was amazingly believable, so who knows?

Also, many other civilizations have a flood myth in their history, and many have siggested it was spurred on by Gods interaction with Noah.
Utnapishtim, as he is lesser known was a man who was chosen for his virtue and integrity, and had been the best chance for a survival run through the tumultuos waters of a tsunami or flood.
The story had Noah saving the world, yet other texts say that many survived in the mountains and other hidey holes, and their petroglyphs, and other forms of historical recording show a flood myth, too.

6000-8000 BC and the strata evidence. 
Geological factors that give creedence to this theoretical timeframe are also in play. Around 6000 bc, a number of the worlds largest rivers began to flow excess sediment into their destinations. This began to form wide deltas, that are still existing today.
The chronological evidence in the strata of many rivers shows that they started building sediment up around the end of the sixth millenium bc.
This would indicate that after the inundation of flood waters had occured, the excess water filled the rivers to overflowing capacity, and carried a great deal of sedimentary proof with it down to the end of their flow. Only a massive influx of water could have resulted in the perfect formation of these rivers and their subsequent deltas.

Anyhow, just a theory, and it's a really interesting research subject, as when studying the flood myth, we learn a lot about geology, history, and the way we handle disasters as humans.

Ive also been introduced to a fellow named Giorgio Tsouklaous, who you probably know as the Ancient Alien show creator, Im sure, and he and I had a cool conversation about how the Ark was a dna repository, instead of a animal filled vessel. He is pretty convincing, and I have to say, if there was a way to get animals on an ark, Id like to see it, yet to get a hair or skin sample from animals would be a lot easier!

Another theory for the pile, and whew, is it getting tall!

Cheers!
Littleenki

I believe Noah's flood was an actual event. But in those times when you talked about the 'world' it could mean a thousand miles in any direction. To the local inhabitants it would seem that the whole 'world' had flooded. And all the animals in 'world' could mean the local animals in the area.
Just my weak thoughts on the subject.
Peace... 8)

Quote from: Sgt.Rocknroll on April 14, 2012, 03:35:33 PM
I believe Noah's flood was an actual event. But in those times when you talked about the 'world' it could mean a thousand miles in any direction. To the local inhabitants it would seem that the whole 'world' had flooded. And all the animals in 'world' could mean the local animals in the area.
Just my weak thoughts on the subject.
Peace... 8)

Floods DID occur.
Your thoughts are right on, Sgt, and how the flood would have seemed world ending to anyone in it's wake. What is really odd, is that these floods seem to occur in the same timeframe all around the world, so a Big Event was probably to blame. Asteroid, hemorrhoid, reptoid, who knows?;)

Im hearing the Hobbit footsteps in the hall, and will say it first, that everything is scalar, down to the small settlements of humans that were thinking they were the center of the universe, while the larger, smarter settlement on the nearby hill watched them get washed away from the valley floor. Best to be high on the scale, it seems.

Hills are great for many things, and mankind learned early to take the high ground, eh, Sgt? LOL!

Littleenki

Quote from: Littleenki on April 14, 2012, 03:18:59 PM
Good question, Dave, and that Hoah's Ark site is eerily similar to a boat isnt it?

And, yes Ive been kicked in the proverbial "nutz" and it is the ultimate pain!LOL!!!!!!!!

When we say "Noah"s" flood, we are already forcing our selves into a strictured timeline, which has been debated with little finality for hundreds of years. Throughout the worlds history, the strata shows many instances of huge flood and weather events in every geological region, and throughout all periods of humanities existence, and preexistence. As you suggest, asteroids and meteors were most likely the cause os many events, but there is a something different about the flood of the bible.

In a conversation with Hobbit, months ago, he posed the theory of how the Earth's oceans became suspended somehow in the air through a pole shift or gravitational anomaly(cant remember how he said exactly) and had fallen back to Earth in one fell swoop and splash.
Truly it's a wild idea, but when he brought it up and described it, it was amazingly believable, so who knows?

Also, many other civilizations have a flood myth in their history, and many have siggested it was spurred on by Gods interaction with Noah.
Utnapishtim, as he is lesser known was a man who was chosen for his virtue and integrity, and had been the best chance for a survival run through the tumultuos waters of a tsunami or flood.
The story had Noah saving the world, yet other texts say that many survived in the mountains and other hidey holes, and their petroglyphs, and other forms of historical recording show a flood myth, too.

6000-8000 BC and the strata evidence. 
Geological factors that give creedence to this theoretical timeframe are also in play. Around 6000 bc, a number of the worlds largest rivers began to flow excess sediment into their destinations. This began to form wide deltas, that are still existing today.
The chronological evidence in the strata of many rivers shows that they started building sediment up around the end of the sixth millenium bc.
This would indicate that after the inundation of flood waters had occured, the excess water filled the rivers to overflowing capacity, and carried a great deal of sedimentary proof with it down to the end of their flow. Only a massive influx of water could have resulted in the perfect formation of these rivers and their subsequent deltas.

Anyhow, just a theory, and it's a really interesting research subject, as when studying the flood myth, we learn a lot about geology, history, and the way we handle disasters as humans.

Ive also been introduced to a fellow named Giorgio Tsouklaous, who you probably know as the Ancient Alien show creator, Im sure, and he and I had a cool conversation about how the Ark was a dna repository, instead of a animal filled vessel. He is pretty convincing, and I have to say, if there was a way to get animals on an ark, Id like to see it, yet to get a hair or skin sample from animals would be a lot easier!

Another theory for the pile, and whew, is it getting tall!

Cheers!
Littleenki

the text in the bible referring to noah's flood, in the original language, did not include words like "all" or "everywhere".  i also think there's more than one flood being referenced, a global pre-homosapian flood that was part of the ice age, and a isolated event known as the black sea flood that is most likely the inspiration for the passages in genesis, the story of atrahasis and the epic of gilgamesh.

as far as the atmosphere goes consider this: mars once had an atmosphere.  to the ancient hebrews, earth was the solid ground you could stand on, versus water.  so anywhere there was solid ground, it was called earth.  at the time, the planet was not called earth.  so if the solid ground was on another planet, like mars, for example, it would still have been called earth. 

after reading my info on possible stargate like technology in ancient sumer being related to water and attached somehow to the flood, zorgon suddenly said he thought maybe that's what happened to the atmosphere of mars. in otherwords, the water on mars was pumped literally, thru the stargates in mars underwater locations, to the planet earth's underwater stargate locations, resulting in devastating two planets at once.  without its water, mars' atmosphere dried and thinned out. with a new influx of water, earth's atmosphere became like a greenhouse, which eventually precipitated out.  i believe the text claims it didn't rain before then but dew would rise up from the ground and water everything, like a garden greenhouse

Quote from: Sgt.Rocknroll on April 14, 2012, 03:35:33 PM
I believe Noah's flood was an actual event. But in those times when you talked about the 'world' it could mean a thousand miles in any direction. To the local inhabitants it would seem that the whole 'world' had flooded. And all the animals in 'world' could mean the local animals in the area.
Just my weak thoughts on the subject.
Peace... 8)

was it "world" or "earth" in the original language?  if it was "earth", earth would've been a very generic term at the time, to mean "land".
the "earth" as a planet name, was not the same thing as the "earth" as in "land." the torah texts are so condensed, that you have to pay strict attention to each word and try to reference as many as possible back to the original language.   people who maintain positions on the text, do so from generational 'layering' of opinions of their elders and predecessors, rather than what the text actually says.  that's bad scholarship and is one of the things that has lead to having so many different sects

 

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after reading my info on possible stargate like technology in ancient sumer being related to water and attached somehow to the flood, zorgon suddenly said he thought maybe that's what happened to the atmosphere of mars. in otherwords, the water on mars was pumped literally, thru the stargates in mars underwater locations, to the planet earth's underwater stargate locations, resulting in devastating two planets at once.  without its water, mars' atmosphere dried and thinned out. with a new influx of water, earth's atmosphere became like a greenhouse.

Now that's what Im talkin about, Undo! What an amazing theory, and truly my favorite so far, as a big fan of possible stargate tech in Sumer, hence my screenname, Enki, my father and the overlord of the water. Which of our millions of unique sea creatures actually got their start on mars, I wonder, and how much of our DNA came with that wave of water, and were the martians using the water as an insulator from the stargate, so they could all travel safely through it to Earth, and assume their place here as the dominant species?

Wow, what an idea, Zorgon is a genious to the 42nd power, and I think you and I are on the same page stargate wise, Undo!:D

Sounds like a great idea for a short story......;)

I DO believe stargate tech was very possible, and there's a place where the stargate is still there...Puerto de Hayu Marka, the gate of the gods.
Im certain weve all learned of it, so I wont post a link, but when you see the gate, and it's assymetrical shape, it harkens to those twelve sided Inca stones we also are aware of in Cuzco.
Assymetry is the anti-matter of the universe, as symmetry is the matter, and resonance ties it all together.
What a big step forward it would be for our scientists and stargate enthusiasts to finally realize a stargate needs to be assymetrical to work. Ive speculated it for years, and have met many who agree, so why not think about how assymetrical forms can balance out the symmetrical forms and allow us to step back and forth through a stargate which is opened at the meeting point.
I think of the opposing spirals, and how they are what it looked like to a primitive people when the stargate opened, and released it's coiled fringe energy. The folks who saw this were probably in a hurry to scratch it out on a rock, and hence the spirals, and cup and ring marks we know well.

I do like to think that although the gate to the gods looks assymetrical, a math whiz could probably find some link to the shape and it's points and planes. Then apply these formulas and equations to the beginning of a stargate tech foundation, financed by who else but Richard Branson! He would have a stargate built in five years, if he could be given the chance.

Ok,OK, I love stargate tech, you got me, and I do believe there is truth to the matter, and Sumer is the key. Control the water, and you control the world. Even if it's not from your world.
Hey Enlil, you cant stop me now!
Littleenki

Quote from: undo11 on April 14, 2012, 05:07:50 PM
was it "world" or "earth" in the original language?  if it was "earth", earth would've been a very generic term at the time, to mean "land".
the "earth" as a planet name, was not the same thing as the "earth" as in "land." the torah texts are so condensed, that you have to pay strict attention to each word and try to reference as many as possible back to the original language.   people who maintain positions on the text, do so from generational 'layering' of opinions of their elders and predecessors, rather than what the text actually says.  that's bad scholarship and is one of the things that has lead to having so many different sects

Thats a good point, Undo, and one posed by many scholars who are reluctant to solidly define any words and their translations in ancient texts, as there are so many differing translations, we cant pin down one set of definite words.
I think Earth is the word we are looking at, as the word World is not something that was understood back then. They didnt think there were any others except humans on Earth, so world is a word that had no place or usefulness for them.

I look back on one man, a genious in his own right, yet scorned and castigated by the science community for his deciphering of Sumerian texts...Zecharia Sitchkin.
In the course of a career, he went from promising young prodigy, to insane quack with visions of other planets perturbing us and shifting our poles. He thought he had got it right on, but some of the translations he did seemed to be a bit off, so they were all shot down in one fell swoop.

Ill have to say, I dont have a clue as to what Sumerian writing says, yet i have always felt a bond with Enki, and his playful nature towards humanity, and a flood was Enki's way of getting his point across, back in the day!

Get your trunks on folks, Im thinking of water!

Cheers!
Littleenki

Quote from: Littleenki on April 14, 2012, 05:11:57 PM

Now that's what Im talkin about, Undo! What an amazing theory, and truly my favorite so far, as a big fan of possible stargate tech in Sumer, hence my screenname, Enki, my father and the overlord of the water. Which of our millions of unique sea creatures actually got their start on mars, I wonder, and how much of our DNA came with that wave of water, and were the martians using the water as an insulator from the stargate, so they could all travel safely through it to Earth, and assume their place here as the dominant species?

Wow, what an idea, Zorgon is a genious to the 42nd power, and I think you and I are on the same page stargate wise, Undo!:D

Sounds like a great idea for a short story......;)

I DO believe stargate tech was very possible, and there's a place where the stargate is still there...Puerto de Hayu Marka, the gate of the gods.
Im certain weve all learned of it, so I wont post a link, but when you see the gate, and it's assymetrical shape, it harkens to those twelve sided Inca stones we also are aware of in Cuzco.
Assymetry is the anti-matter of the universe, as symmetry is the matter, and resonance ties it all together.
What a big step forward it would be for our scientists and stargate enthusiasts to finally realize a stargate needs to be assymetrical to work. Ive speculated it for years, and have met many who agree, so why not think about how assymetrical forms can balance out the symmetrical forms and allow us to step back and forth through a stargate which is opened at the meeting point.
I think of the opposing spirals, and how they are what it looked like to a primitive people when the stargate opened, and released it's coiled fringe energy. The folks who saw this were probably in a hurry to scratch it out on a rock, and hence the spirals, and cup and ring marks we know well.

I do like to think that although the gate to the gods looks assymetrical, a math whiz could probably find some link to the shape and it's points and planes. Then apply these formulas and equations to the beginning of a stargate tech foundation, financed by who else but Richard Branson! He would have a stargate built in five years, if he could be given the chance.

Ok,OK, I love stargate tech, you got me, and I do believe there is truth to the matter, and Sumer is the key. Control the water, and you control the world. Even if it's not from your world.
Hey Enlil, you cant stop me now!
Littleenki

i have it all laid out in the stargates are real thread on ats. essentially, well, it's rather complicated.  it goes like this:

the ancient sumerian priests had names for most of the planets, but earth was not clearly named. this is because earth was originally used to refer to dry land.  that means earth as a planet, was more likely nibiru.  this is further qualified by the fact that en.lil's big sumerian temple, the e.kur, was located on the euphrates river at nibru, which means the crossing place.

assyriologists think that's just a reference to the crossing of the euphrates at that location, but in fact, it was more indepth than that.   the places below were mirrored from the places above.   there was a "euphrates river" in the sky, mirrored unto the ground of this planet.  when a planet  crossed that point, it was said to be nibiru (crossing).

mars was associated, even then, with the constellation known today as taurus the bull.   you can see echoes of it in references to enlil and enki as "bulls", and the various other hints and clues.  so whenever i read an excerpt from that time frame, referring to the BULL OF HEAVEN, I not only think of taurus but also of Mars. and let's not forget the precessional age of taurus and how it may have some clues to reveal what happened to mars.

but there's more!  enlil had his own "Abzu" (my theory is the abzu was the general name for the stargates and later, more specific terminology such as Abyss (see the book of revelation, the book of enoch),  Lake of "Fire" (both egyptian texts and biblical), "Portal of the Lords of Eternity" (see shabaka stone reference), "Hathor" and  "Sekhmet" (see the egyptian text, "legend of the destruction of mankind") and "Babel" (see KA.DINGIR.RA and Bab-ilu, in the bible and akkadian-sumerian texts) were disconnected from their original etymological moorings by scholars who didn't have access to the sumerian information until recently.  (sumer was found buried under 8ft of flood silt)). 

Anyway, both enlil and enki were lords of the abyss, however, enki seems to have been the one referenced most often in relation to the abzu.   and to taurus and mars.   (just think, taurus is an "earth" astrological sign and what did en.ki mean?  yeah.....) .   you can see big clues on this thread of thought in the references to the bull of heaven.  in one such example the bull of heaven sucks a bunch of homes and buildings and people, livestock, up into its mouth and then, later, releases it all.  this i believe is zorgon's mars event.

however, i should stipulate that there appears to have been different size gates: personal sized ones were in temples, whereas the big ones, big enough to allow the passage of space ships, were in the big bodies of water, like the persian gulf, for example.

and that was like the clep note version lol

enuma elish screws the story up quite a bit by deifying (making the gate a god) the gate and the wormhole. the abzu became a guy named abzu. and the wormhole became a lady named tiamat. nooo, they were not people or gods for that matter.  one was a piece of gated  technology capable of generating a wormhole (an abzu, an abyss, a wormhole) and the other was the wormhole.
if you read the section where it refers to tiamat basically mating with kingu after abzu dies, realize that is saying that the abzu gate was SHUT DOWN and tiamat's connection was CUT OFF, the wormhole was severed (see any reference to gilgmesh slaying a beast by cutting it in half  or norse mythos about the binding of fenrir), and so the wormhole reconnected at a different gate, called kingu.  after that, she starts cranking out all manner of alien sounding lifeforms.   it was war, afterall. i think of that as "war of the stargates". 

Quote from: undo11 on April 14, 2012, 06:34:39 PM
enuma elish screws the story up quite a bit by deifying (making the gate a god) the gate and the wormhole. the abzu became a guy named abzu. and the wormhole became a lady named tiamat. nooo, they were not people or gods for that matter.  one was a piece of gated  technology capable of generating a wormhole (an abzu, an abyss, a wormhole) and the other was the wormhole.
if you read the section where it refers to tiamat basically mating with kingu after abzu dies, realize that is saying that the abzu gate was SHUT DOWN and tiamat's connection was CUT OFF, the wormhole was severed (see any reference to gilgmesh slaying a beast by cutting it in half  or norse mythos about the binding of fenrir), and so the wormhole reconnected at a different gate, called kingu.  after that, she starts cranking out all manner of alien sounding lifeforms.   it was war, afterall. i think of that as "war of the stargates".

Brilliant, Undo, and very clear and concise as well! You have a great handle on the Sumerian history that is so important in the present. I hope to reach half that level some day in my knowledge of them.
Your idea of words that were previously thought of as names, being actual objects of technology is spot on.
Great post, Undo!
Littleenki

I agree! Undo11 is just Amazing Awesome!

Flood stories and creation stories are worldwide, so I think there's something to them.  If nothing else the Irish Rovers had a good tune about the flood.  I still feel really bad for the unicorns.

Shasta

With any system , it is imperative to know how it operates, and then to realise what the consequences are of that system failing or overloading.
WHY is the water where it is presently?
WHY do the clouds float overhead holding so much when this so called gravity should PULL it downwards?
SOMETHING is wrong, nes pas?
hobbit

Quote from: Shasta56 on April 14, 2012, 09:02:06 PM
Flood stories and creation stories are worldwide, so I think there's something to them. 

So, Earth is how old? 4.5 Billion some say... Just based on that number I would think the Earth would have flooded more than "once". Polar Ice melts causing flooding? Refreezes in new pole location? Could it be that... mixed with some other reoccuring event?

I hear Antarctica was once nice and green...?

QuoteIf nothing else the Irish Rovers had a good tune about the flood.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3sZReyBXTA

We could always use all the discarded plastics; make a mold and start popping out "flood survival pods"...

Quote from: Littleenki on April 14, 2012, 07:31:53 PM
Brilliant, Undo, and very clear and concise as well! You have a great handle on the Sumerian history that is so important in the present. I hope to reach half that level some day in my knowledge of them.
Your idea of words that were previously thought of as names, being actual objects of technology is spot on.
Great post, Undo!
Littleenki

sitchin thought the enuma elish was about the planets and that abzu (same thing as absu and apsu), was the sun.  nopers.  unless it's got a gate associated with it.

have you ever read the book of 1 enoch?

What are the factors?
Polar shifts
Solar flares
Electromagnetic pulses
Radiation
Gaseous releases
Atmospheric changes
Temperature changes
Storms
Earthquakes
Volcanic activity
Asteroid impact
Gravity
Proximity or position of other spatial bodies
Trade winds
Oceanic currents
Tidal shifting
Other outside influences?

Quote from: Captain Dave on April 14, 2012, 09:42:31 PM
So, Earth is how old? 4.5 Billion some say... Just based on that number I would think the Earth would have flooded more than "once". Polar Ice melts causing flooding? Refreezes in new pole location? Could it be that... mixed with some other reoccuring event?

I hear Antarctica was once nice and green...?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3sZReyBXTA

We could always use all the discarded plastics; make a mold and start popping out "flood survival pods"...

wonder how fast the lifeforms could've adapted to such a drastic change as a pole flip in once temperate to tropical climate?  would there be any survivors had they not had millenia to become extremophiles?  (just thinking about the lifeforms they found under antartica recently_)

If something caused the Earths rotational speed to "slow down", would Gravity then not lessen?

That combined with all the other factors would be one hell of a bumpy ride.

Quote from: Captain Dave on April 14, 2012, 10:15:53 PM
If something caused the Earths rotational speed to "slow down", would Gravity then not lessen?

That combined with all the other factors would be one hell of a bumpy ride.

lower gravity, people would gain mass and height i would think?  might explain some mutations mentioned.

Quote from: undo11 on April 14, 2012, 10:27:35 PM
lower gravity, people would gain mass and height i would think?  might explain some mutations mentioned.

And if by the same token, the rotational speed increased...

increased gravity, biological organisms loose mass/height?
Oceans are temporarily "pushed down" causing them to spread out?

So if an asteroid hit Earth, depending upon its direction of impact in relation to Earth's rotation it would cause one of the two?

The change would also affect the tecktonic plates etc...

I've experienced a past life memory of Antarctica being green.

Shasta

In the past I have not talked much about my experiences involving contact with other Civilizations
NOT from the Earth for fear of ridicule.

Since I have been invited to Pegasus, I am encouraged by the those here who appear to be
a little more tolerant to the unexpected and those things seen to be a little weird.

Please bear with me and I will explain about "Noah's Flood" as shown and explained by those
NOT of Earth.

I feel it is my responsibility to pass this on to you.

I was shown how on many planets (Billions throughout this program) partake in a similar phenomena
recorded in History on the Earth, involving what is referred to as "Noah's Flood".

I will try and explain this for you, as I was shown regarding events, soon to affect us on the Earth.

You will have no doubt become aware of the increasing numbers and magnitude of earthquakes
around the world, even to the extent of "Fracking"

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080731104652AAyAK5k

being blamed for smaller earth quakes, occurring around areas where oil exploration is taking place.

Oil is usually taken from areas around The Earths Trenches or near to them for Economic reasons.

The Earth has a "Thermal Cycle", involving the Changing Temperatures (Globally) over a long period of Time
(Some Thousand year Cycle).

What many don't realize, is the interior of the Earth generates Energy which has to be released.

The Flow of Energy eventually escapes outward, through the Earths crust escaping into space.

The Crust of the Earth, as well as some other Planets, Moons etc. have a similar make up
in their crust, in that it is like the Slag on near molten or molten metal.

The crust being like the Slag is able to move on the Earths Mantle, which is NOT as thick,
as scientist are lead to believe.

The Earth's crust is about 1/4 to 1/2 % of the Earth's Diameter, in thickness.
(Some ares even less.)

The Trenches formed by the Movement of "Plate Activity", allows the Earth
to expand slightly, due to changing temperature within the Earth Interior.

The Changes in the Earth's Crust is small to us, but it reflects the FLOW of Energy
between the Earth's Interior and its Atmosphere, across the Crust Slag like Dialectic.

At present we are approaching a "Node" or "Peak" in the Thermal Cycle where the Change takes place,
referred to in some of the Ancient writings now incorrectly treated as religious writings by many.

Instead of Starting with Noah's FLOOD, which is the other Peak or Node i.e. the other End
of the same "Thermal Cycle", I will start at the "Peak" in the "Thermal Cycle"
which draws nearer to us every passing day.

The Earth is slowly expanding at present, due to the increasing Internal Temperatures.

The reason for this expansion, is due to the Hysteresis produced by the nature of the Earth's crust involving Energy FLOW NOT Temperature.
(Like the Slag on partially Molten metal in a furnace.)

Note; that most of the Earthquakes are around the Pacific basin, involving what is commonly known
as "The Ring of Fire" (but the other trenches will also become involved).
It is just that the "The Ring of Fire" surrounds one of the larger plates, and so the reactions
are greater, associated with this Plate and surrounding smaller plates.

The same phenomena produces our tectonic plate movements, referred to as "Continental Drift".

If we look at the most recent Japan Tsunami, it's Wave front was different from other  Tsunami's
produced by many other Earth Quakes.

This is because this latest Japan Tsunami, was generated by the Japan Trench, Kuril Trench
and branch Trench known as the Izu ATrench)

There was an intake of water due the Opening Trench, noted by the Sea receding first,
along the east coast of Japan.
There was then a vertical displacement recorded, in one of the adjacent Plates, which closed
the Gap again, produced in the Trench, displacing the water back out again,
causing the  Tsunami, whose wave front was more or less linear, rather than in arcs.

As the Earth expands more, at some point Water will propagate into a Trench, which suddenly
opens extending deep enough, for the sea water to cause shrinkage in the associated plates.
(As a result in a drop in Plate temperature in that region.)

This will increase a breach in between the plates in the affected regions, and even
more seawater will gush into the Trench at this location. (Perhaps near Japan or South of Japan)

This Action will increase causing the Crust to shrink and lifting back will allowing sea water to enter
back under the Earth's Crust.

This action is extremely Violent at this point and the Seas disappear in a mater of Hours.

When the Water contacts the Magma the water Explodes into Steam causing more Violent
contraction of the Earth's Crust in All directions, much of the Water is thrown up into
the outer regions of our atmosphere, while most of the Water gushes down through the Trenches
to take its new location under the Earth's Crust, leaving No Seas above the Crust.

Re "The Books of Enoch"; 05 to 08  Quote;

Quote05.  And all shall be smitten with fear,
And the watchers shall quake,
And great fear and trembling shall seize them
unto the ends of the Earth.

06. And the high mountains shall be shaken,
And the high hills shall be made low,
And shall melt like wax before the flame,

07.  And the Earth shall wholly rent in sunder,
And all that is upon the Earth shall perish,

And there shall be a judgement upon all men.

08.  But with the righteous HE will make peace,
And will protect the elect, And mercy shall be upon them.

And they shall all belong to GOD,
And they shall be prospered,
And they shall all be blessed.

And HE will help them all,

And LIGHT shall appear unto them,
And HE will make peace with them.

Mars in in this stage of its "Thermal Cycle" where the bulk of its water
is now under its (Mars) Crust.

The Same with our Moon. Perhaps Zorgon and John Lear can tell you something about this ?

Biblical verses, regarding this end of "The Thermal Cycle" which is approaching.

"The Revelation of Jesus Christ" Chapter 21 verse 1 Quote;

Quote1.  Now I saw a new heaven and a new Earth
for the first heaven and the first Earth had passed away

Also there was NO more Sea.

Now at the other End of the "Thermal Cycle" is where "Noah's Flood" occurred.

When the Earth's Crust Shrinks, some of the Plates are suddenly forced upward, and because
the Sea Water Under the crust is under huge pressure, it escapes between the Plates
where the Trenches are.

Re. "Genesis" Chapter 7 verse 11 Quote;

QuoteIn the 600th year of Noah's life,
in the second month,
the 7th day of the month, the same day
were All the Fountains of the Great deep
broken up, etc. etc.

and
"Genesis" Chapter 8 verse 2 Quote;

Quote2.  The Fountains also of the Deep
and the windows of heaven
were stopped.

So the Sea Water changes its Location from under the Earth's Crust,
between the Mantle and the Crust to above the Earth's Crust repeatedly,
resulting from the Earth's continually and Repeating "Thermal Cycle".

Other Civilizations on other Planets, evacuate their planet, too and Return after their Planet
settles down again into a more suitable environment.

They evacuate using their "Transport Interfaces". (in human understanding, then travel forward in time)

The same with Mars; When it settles down again, the Martians  shall return again.

Fortunately many will be evacuated from the Earth, with a little help from our Neighbors
when the time arrives.

It is The Sun which Controls these Changes caused by the thermal cycles taking place in its planets and Moons.

Some involved with remote Viewing report a Solar Flare (This is part of this Phenomena)

Zorgon can tell you more about this event.

There are 2 Features to the Sun;

a.    What our Scientists observe. (Which is an Interactive Holograph)
and
b.    Another Component related to the SHIN. (Involving Processing)

Sadly Science overlooks the Functions of the SHIN as they are NOT even Aware
of the "Processing System" All is made Manifest through.

Quote from: The Matrix Traveller on April 15, 2012, 01:54:42 AM
In the past I have not talked much about my experiences involving contact with other Civilizations
NOT from the Earth for fear of ridicule.

Since I have been invited to Pegasus, I am encouraged by the those here who appear to be
a little more tolerant to the unexpected and those things seen to be a little weird.

Please bear with me and I will explain about "Noah's Flood" as shown and explained by those
NOT of Earth.

I feel it is my responsibility to pass this on to you.

notice in that verse from revelation that there's a new heaven too because it also had passed away.  now how does water in the earth's crust, cause the heavens to pass away?  things that make you go, "hmmm." 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XF2ayWcJfxo

Hi undo11,

;D

Quotenow how does water in the earth's crust, cause the heavens to pass away?

It doesn't ?

Explanation Clearer 4 U ?   :D

The Previous Heaven (Referring to the sky here) is NOT the Same, as in the Later,
the whole Nature of the Atmosphere has Changed, in that the Earth will be surrounded once again
by Moisture in the Upper atmosphere in the form of a Cloud layer.

So can't see the stars anymore...

Hope you understand what I am describing now?    ;D

Re Biblical writings; Many different "Heavens" are Mentioned, and have been confused
by humanity as All though referring to one and the Same Heaven. (Through Ignorance.)

Quote from: The Matrix Traveller on April 15, 2012, 03:24:49 AM
Hi undo11,

;D

It doesn't ?

Explanation Clearer 4 U ?   :D

The Previous Heaven (Referring to the sky here) is NOT the Same, as in the Later,
the whole Nature of the Atmosphere has Changed, in that the Earth will be surrounded once again
by Moisture in the Upper atmosphere in the form of a Cloud layer.

So can't see the stars anymore...

Hope you understand what I am describing now?    ;D

Re Biblical writings; Many different "Heavens" are Mentioned, and have been confused
by humanity as All though referring to one and the Same Heaven. (Through Ignorance.)

oh there's 2 heavens, the starry firmanent and planets, and the other is a "place" suggested to be other dimensional, if you will.  never heard of the air around the planet being called heaven before.  can you document that for me?  i always like to read this kind of thing

Hi undo11,

;D

Quotenever heard of the air around the planet being called heaven before.
can you document that for me?  i always like to read this kind of thing

Actually there are more than 2 Heavens....  :D

Re. The Books of E'NOCH.

In fact many Heavens; Apart from the Billions in the "Processing System" which presents
your Experience to you.

These are the Processing Layers... or known as the "Faces" within the Plane where "The True Mind" resides.

Here is an Abstract Animation of the said Plane and its "Faces".

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/48matrix_traveller/images/0000.gif)

For more on The "Processing System" of The Mind..... (NO Religion or Philosophy)

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?board=112.0

:D

oh that looks like a gate.

Hi undo11

Indeed you are now On Track...    8)   ;D

But you know much about these don't yoiu ???   :D

Undo11, These "Gates" you seek, are between the Layers called "Heavens" NOT Heaven...  :D

I can empathize with Matrix Traveller's reluctance to discuss certain experience's.  I finally decided on a "damn the torpedoes!  full speed ahead approach for myself.  I came out of the broom closet and decided rhat if the hospital chaplain visiting after my  surgery thought I was nuckin futz, he was welcome to his opinion

Quote from: The Matrix Traveller on April 15, 2012, 03:58:05 AM
Undo11, These "Gates" you seek, are between the Layers called "Heavens" NOT Heaven...  :D

i don't seek them, per sey, i'm just a researcher.  considering the stuff described coming out of them, not sure they are people friendly devices.

Hi undo11,

:D

Quotei don't seek them, per sey, i'm just a researcher.

Research = "Search" ....   :D  To Seek is to search for !   8)   :D

Quote from: The Matrix Traveller on April 15, 2012, 04:05:59 AM
Hi undo11,

:D

Research = "Search" ....   :D

lol! well okay let's split hairs!  this is what i mean:
i don't want to actually encounter one that has
any negative stuff attached.   i just picked up the
trail while researching what i thought was a different subject and at that point, i had zero interest in the tv show, the movie or stargates.  it just became obvious.  so even initially my "research" was not
an effort to find a gate. it was an effort to find out what the abyss in revelation was, and that lead me all the way back to the abzu of enki.

Hi undo11,

I'm just teasing you... In fact I have a respect for your work...  8)

But now you know "Star Gates" exist, why Not have the Courage to explore them...

No Harm from this..

Have TRUST in Your LIFE and NOT the "Flesh".

Your Mind Rules over your "Flesh" but your Flesh can't rule over Your "True Mind" The Real YOU..

Quote from: The Matrix Traveller on April 15, 2012, 04:15:22 AM
Hi undo11,

I'm just teasing you... In fact I have a respect for your work...  8)

But now you know "Star Gates" exist, why Not have the Courage to explore them...

No Harm from this..

Have TRUST in Your LIFE and NOT the "Flesh".

Your Mind Rules over your "Flesh" but your Flesh can't rule over Your "True Mind" The Real YOU..

yeah i know.  lol well according to associated texts, they are one way trips for humans. and since i'm still human, i guess that answers that. :D

But getting back to Noah's Flood again...

Yep it is the Action taking place at one end of the Earths "Thermal Cycle" and the other end is about to take place
where the Seas return to under the Earths Crust again between the Mantel and the Earths Crust.

A natural event that repeats every few thousand years, again and again and again.

It's part of the Replenishing (Involving recycling) process the Earth goes through.

Re. my earlier post in this forum.

Quote from: The Matrix Traveller on April 15, 2012, 04:25:22 AM
But getting back to Noah's Flood again...

Yep it is the Action taking place at one end of the Earths "Thermal Cycle" and the other end is about to take place
where the Seas return to under the Earths Crust again between the Mantel and the Earths Crust.

A natural event that repeats every few thousand years, again and again and again.

It's part of the Replenishing (Involving recycling) process the Earth goes through.

Re. my earlier post in this forum.

so who are the guys err....ETs?  that told you this stuff?

Hi again undo11,

Quoteyeah i know.  lol well according to associated texts, they are one way trips for humans. and since i'm still human, i guess that answers that. :D

Yea I know, but I hope you are Living so surly your LIFE is more Precious than your Flesh isn't it ?

Our bodies are temporary... BUT our LIFE is "Immortal". (NO Religion Involved)

It can't Die as LIFE & Death are "Opposites", so one cannot become the other....  8)   :D

Hmmmmm Undo11,

Quoteso who are the guys err....ETs?  that told you this stuff?

Now you are an intelligent Woman, so I am sure you can figure it out through "Research".

Quote from: The Matrix Traveller on April 15, 2012, 04:31:10 AM
Hi again undo11,

Yea I know, but I hope you are Living so surly your LIFE is more Precious than your Flesh isn't it ?

Our bodies are temporary... BUT our LIFE is "Immortal". (NO Religion Involved)

It can't Die as LIFE & Death are "Opposites", so one cannot become the other....  8)   :D

yeah i know that too but what i'm saying is, you go in, you ain't coming out.  now i happen to think a great deal of my family.  i don't think my time here is finished.  so why would i want to risk not being able to come back ?  sounds rather detrimental if you have things to do still. lol

anyway, let's get back to who the guys are that told you the stuff about the earth's crust because they are essentially ignoring something like 6000 years of written history and when that happens, little warning bells go off in my head.

Quote from: The Matrix Traveller on April 15, 2012, 04:34:32 AM
Hmmmmm Undo11,

Now you are an intelligent Woman, so I am sure you can figure it out through "Research".

no i'm actually an idiot. you have to tell it straight and don't pussyfoot around or i will get irritated and lose interest.

Quoteyeah i know that too but what i'm saying is, you go in, you ain't coming out.  now i happen to think a great deal of my family.  i don't think my time here is finished.  so why would i want to risk not being able to come back ?  sounds rather detrimental if you have things to do still. lol

Why do you base your assumptions on Guess work of the Flesh re. what others Guess Work have recorded?

Quoteanyway, let's get back to who the guys are that told you the stuff about the earth's crust because they are essentially ignoring something like 6000 years of written history and when that happens, little warning bells go off in my head.

Your interpretation of your Experience...   :D

And what you are told by those, also searching for answers...

The Human Primate is Not very reliable in his/her  interpretation 
through the "Double Logic" present in his/her Genes...  8)   :D

Guess that's why the Species is Grounded ?   :D

Quoteno i'm actually an idiot. you have to tell it straight and don't pussyfoot around or i will get irritated and lose interest.

I don't believe you are as you put it an idiot... I refuse to believe it anyway...

The questions you ask are Not a part of this forum...    ;D

For this discussion please address this in my Forum Questions & Answers.  :D

I look forward to your questions there...   :D   ;D

Quote from: The Matrix Traveller on April 15, 2012, 04:50:06 AM
I don't believe you are as you put it an idiot... I refuse to believe it anyway...

The questions you ask are Not a part of this forum...    ;D

For this discussion please address this in my Forum Questions & Answers.  :D

I look forward to your questions there...   :D   ;D

tap dancing around the question.  shame on ya.  i have A.D.D.  YOU JUST lost my interest. hehe! 

when you decide to talk to me normally, get back to me. :D

Quote from: undo11 on April 15, 2012, 04:53:59 AM
tap dancing around the question.  shame on ya.  i have A.D.D.  YOU JUST lost my interest. hehe! 

when you decide to talk to me normally, get back to me. :D

I am just showing Respect for this Forums Moderator.

I am most certainly not tap dancing as I invited you into my Forums... To ask ANY questions...

Perhaps you aren't interested after all, but that is your choice.

Quote from: The Matrix Traveller on April 15, 2012, 04:58:22 AM
I am just showing Respect for this Forums Moderator.

I am most certainly not tap dancing as I invited you into my Forums... To ask ANY questions...

Perhaps you aren't interested after all, but that is your choice.

okay, tmt, you are a gentlespirit, but frankly, i don't believe very much of what you say, and that's because it doesn't agree with what i say. haha!  now then, are you gonna be honest an admit you are having the same issues or are we gonna tap dance around that too? 

this here is the deal. most of what you quote is straight from the mouth of jesus.  you quote his words, at least, the ones you like, and then scold me for quoting his words as well or for referencing anything outside your personal view of his words.  that's fine and dandy, just realize that you are doing that and i'm not going to beat around the bush about it.  it is what it is. plain and simple.   

don't ask me not to take the words of others into account when you have plainly done so, unless you mean to say you are jesus ? 

in which case i will ask how the sam hill did only some of your words get in the bible and who said the rest of the stuff?

Quote from: undo11 on April 15, 2012, 05:06:49 AM
okay, tmt, you are a gentlespirit, but frankly, i don't believe very much of what you say, and that's because it doesn't agree with what i say. haha!  now then, are you gonna be honest an admit you are having the same issues or are we gonna tap dance around that too? 

this here is the deal. most of what you quote is straight from the mouth of jesus.  you quote his words, at least, the ones you like, and then scold me for quoting his words as well or for referencing anything outside your personal view of his words.  that's fine and dandy, just realize that you are doing that and i'm not going to beat around the bush about it.  it is what it is. plain and simple.   

don't ask me not to take the words of others into account when you have plainly done so, unless you mean to say you are jesus ? 

in which case i will ask how the sam hill did only some of your words get in the bible and who said the rest of the stuff?

???   :(   :'(

It is your free will to believe or interpret anything in the way you wish to, that is you right.

I am NOT here to convince you or anyone of anything, but merely to pass on what I have seen
and been shown.

Not sure why you are attacking me in this way or what your motives are ???

Regarding the man you call "Jesus", He was a trades person a Builder/carpenter in fact,
who was recorded as being around approx 2,000 years ago that is according to the records.

Some see him as another Philosopher.

Perhaps your interpretation of this carpenter is much different than mine ???

But as I said, My Forums are NOT about "Religion", So I don't get your point ????

You have lost me on that one...   :D

Quote from: The Matrix Traveller on April 15, 2012, 05:29:07 AM
???   :(   :'(

It is your free will to believe or interpret anything in the way you wish to, that is you right.

I am NOT here to convince you or anyone of anything, but merely to pass on what I have seen
and been shown.

Not sure why you are attacking me in this way or what your motives are ???

Regarding the man you call "Jesus", He was a trades person a Builder/carpenter in fact,
who was recorded as being around approx 2,000 years ago that is according to the records.

Some see him as another Philosopher.

Perhaps your interpretation of this carpenter is much different than mine ???

But as I said, My Forums are NOT about "Religion", So I don't get your point ????

You have lost me on that one...   :D

do you have a photographic memory?  maybe you read the new testament and whole chunks of it are like glued to your brain somehow?   

anyway, the topic of the thread is treading into sumerian-akkadian history.  which your "contacts", who you've decided you shouldn't reveal even though you brought them up in this thread,
said it's a cyclic phenomenon  and therefore none of the words of the ancient texts are legit. lol

if i had a dollar, hmm, no, not a dollar. ... if i had a gold coin for everytime i was told that nothing in history is accurate, except the pieces people want to believe, i'd be swimming in gold coins (doesn't sound so good. make that, if i had a great book for every time i was told that i was quoting religion when i used passages from the bible, but they were quoting obvious wisdom when they used passages from the bible i'd have the biggest library in the world).

Quotedo you have a photographic memory?  maybe you read the new testament and whole chunks of it are like glued to your brain somehow?

there is no need to go that way undo11...

Quoteanyway, the topic of the thread is treading into sumerian-akkadian history.  which your "contacts", who you've decided you shouldn't reveal even though you brought them up in this thread,
said it's a cyclic phenomenon  and therefore none of the words of the ancient texts are legit. lol

What ever you like to interpret...   ;D

Quoteif i had a dollar, hmm, no, not a dollar. ... if i had a gold coin for everytime i was told that nothing in history is accurate, except the pieces people want to believe, i'd be swimming in gold coins (doesn't sound so good. make that, if i had a great book for every time i was told that i was quoting religion when i used passages from the bible, but they were quoting obvious wisdom when they used passages from the bible i'd have the biggest library in the world)

You sure have some stress here, don't you ???   ;D

Calm down.... no ones getting at you. 

It was NOT my intention, to Stress you out like this Undo11    :(

I now regret writing the 1st Post, regarding "Noah's Flood" as it has stressed you out so much.   :(

Better if we leave it alone I think,  Don't you ?   ;D

sure if you want lol

better if you just say who those guys were that told you the flood was a cyclical event regarding the earth's crust and the ocean.  see, the first thing that says is, "undo11 your research is hogwash because the texts are hogwash."  and i don't think they are.  the next thing that says is your super secret contacts are saying that everything we know about the ancient past,  is useless information so no need to believe any of it.  now i dunno about you but i find that rather suspect.  if someone came to me and said, "i will tell you the truth and the truth is none of that other stuff is true," i'd be asking them to prove it.  and since your contacts didn't tell me that directly but rather chose to use you as their vehicle, i'll ask you then.  i think it's important that you divulge it here because here is where you began your "revelation."

I'm gonna jump in here and mention that TMT brought up His contacts in His forum, and suggests that anyOne wanting info on that visit His forum here on Pegasus. - http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=1114.0

I figure We all have differing perspectives - I know John Lear believes that the "quake" in Japan was a nuclear weapon that was detonated...  [shrug]

Me?  I leave all possibilities open, until I have first hand experience.  If Peter Moon is correct, We're all correct, as We each may have experienced a different reality.  [grin]

Anyway, kiss and make up?  [grin]

"Then Enki raises the city of Eridu from the abyss and makes it float over the water like a lofty mountain"

that's a quote from the first assyriologist to interpret sumerian cuneiform. his name was samuel noah kramer.  in the resulting research text, he speaks regarding the arrival of enki from the abyss, which was also the abzu.

enki arrived from the abzu/abyss, in his floating, flying, roaring, glowing, submersible, temple city made entirely of gold, lapis lazuli and silver.  (meaning it was metal).  it had an interior that was a tangled thread beyond understanding.  the references are directly from the original texts. for example:

QuoteThe lord of the abyss, the king Enki, Enki the Lord who decrees the fates, Built his house of silver and lapis lazuli; Its silver and lapis lazuli, like sparkling light, The father fashioned fittingly in the abyss.

that's from "Enki Builds the E-Engurra" by kramer, but the text themselves are the original source material

so where do we draw the line?  is some of that true and some not ?
or can we pitch that out too ?  cause see this enki guy, those old texts say he saved the noah figure from the flood.
now why would he do that if he didn't exist? and if he did exist, then how did he know, in 3000 BC, that water was infiltrating the earth's crust?  and if he didn't know, then why's it say he did know there was a flood coming and told the guy how to avoid certain death?

Quote from: Amaterasu on April 15, 2012, 07:00:16 AM
I'm gonna jump in here and mention that TMT brought up His contacts in His forum, and suggests that anyOne wanting info on that visit His forum here on Pegasus. - http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=1114.0

I figure We all have differing perspectives - I know John Lear believes that the "quake" in Japan was a nuclear weapon that was detonated...  [shrug]

Me?  I leave all possibilities open, until I have first hand experience.  If Peter Moon is correct, We're all correct, as We each may have experienced a different reality.  [grin]

Anyway, kiss and make up?  [grin]

i'm not mad.  i'm just honest.   the way i look at it, if you're honest with people they'll get the hang of it, and be honest right back and that's what you want. people who will respect you enough to tell you the truth.

Undo11.

You wrote Quote;

Quote"undo11 your research is hogwash because the texts are hogwash."

Don't be silly... I had Respect for you work.

Why are you trying to make me review that ???

Come on Settle down.

Quotei think it's important that you divulge it here because here is where you began your "revelation."

NOT TRUE. I have written about this many years before you read this.

Quotei'm not mad.  i'm just honest.   the way i look at it, if you're honest with people they'll get the hang of it, and be honest right back and that's what you want. people who will respect you enough to tell you the truth.

We know you are NOT Mad...

But don't accuse me of anything as I have nothing at all against you...

In Fact I had Respect for Your Work.

And this is the TRUTH...

So here is a    :-*   and a hug, and I regret upsetting you. It was NOT my intention.

i'm not upset either. lol  so you can't apologize for what you didn't do wrong.   i was just explaining why i said what i said. i didn't say it because i was mad or upset or even stressed out.  i said it cause it's what i thought you meant. i mean,   i do believe you asked me just a page ago, why i believed the words of men or something. lol  you should probably revisit what you've said over the last few pages :D

it's no biggie matrix.  just realize i'm not over here growling, i'm just like....what?  lol honest, go read what you've been saying and pretend like you're reading someone else's writing there.  if the thread is about noah's flood and we're talking about it from the position of the sumerian-akkadian texts, as well as the bible, and you come in and say it wasn't any of that but rather a normal, natural cyclical event, and that the ancient guys just made up alot of the associated stories, i have to ask where you get that info, cause i have a source for mine. 

you say my source is not relevant. i say it is. tomaytoe, tomaatoe.

seems to be too easy these days to get people to read what you say by prefacing it with "old texts are bullshit" (paraphrasing. hehe).  i think that's lazy scholarship.  not that i'm a scholar, mind you, i'm just a wannabe.  but i do not believe anyone could make serious  pronouncements like that over the entirety of written history, without something to back it up.  even ET would have some hefty explaining to do if he/she/it came to me with such a statement.

matrix,

you asked me who i thought jesus was.  :D

well that's asking a huge question but i'll try to condense it down to:

1. enki, also known as ea
2. later, the son of cleopatra, known by his roman name, caesarian.
3. the second adam (et.al, the second atum)
4. god the creator of the human body, in a human body, or in sumerian-akkadian terminology, he was the second most important of the anunnaki, one of two sons of anu.

he has a few more in there but it would take pages for me to explain it. and to list them all off.

here he is
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qhmby5wpnu0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gPMefaG6-c
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mSU53HoFzs

Quoteand you come in and say it wasn't any of that but rather a normal, natural cyclical event, and that the ancient guys just made up alot of the associated stories,

If you are going to be Truthful, please tell the TRUTH.

It sounds Like you are bias to any other persons suggestions other than your own ???

As for me, I can ONLY report what I have seen & Heard.

As I said, I once respected your views but now I am finding that increasingly difficult,
which is rather sad.

I offered you an "Olive Branch", ubdo11, but you trampled it under foot.

It doesn't really matter as I an Nothing.

Quotei have to ask where you get that info, cause i have a source for mine.

I extended an Invite to you, but in return I received Slander from you.

I am a truthful person, and if you are going to accuse me of anything, then please at least tell the TRUTH.

You wrote Quote;

Quoteyou say my source is not relevant.

Now this is plain Plainly UNTRUE undo11.

I have never said anything like this to you.

I took it you were Truthful, but sadly you are now Forcing me, reluctantly to reconsider this.   :(

Quote from: undo11 on April 15, 2012, 09:06:23 AM
matrix,

you asked me who i thought jesus was.  :D

well that's asking a huge question but i'll try to condense it down to:

1. enki, also known as ea
2. later, the son of cleopatra, known by his roman name, caesarian.
3. the second adam (et.al, the second atum)
4. god the creator of the human body, in a human body, or in sumerian-akkadian terminology, he was the second most important of the anunnaki, one of two sons of anu.

he has a few more in there but it would take pages for me to explain it. and to list them all off.

here he is
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qhmby5wpnu0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gPMefaG6-c
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mSU53HoFzs

You are entitled to your interpretations and Beliefs.

And I have a right to mine.

Just leave it that...    :D   ;D

Quote from: The Matrix Traveller on April 15, 2012, 09:29:50 AM
If you are going to be Truthful, please tell the TRUTH.

It sounds Like you are bias to any other persons suggestions other than your own ???

As for me, I can ONLY report what I have seen & Heard.

As I said, I once respected your views but now I am finding that increasingly difficult,
which is rather sad.

I offered you an "Olive Branch", ubdo11, but you trampled it under foot.

It doesn't really matter as I an Nothing.

I extended an Invite to you, but in return I received Slander from you.

I am a truthful person, and if you are going to accuse me of anything, then please at least tell the TRUTH.

You wrote Quote;

Now this is plain Plainly UNTRUE undo11.

I have never said anything like this to you.

I took it you were Truthful, but now I am forced to reconsider this.   :(

good! you should also be forced to reconsider when some entities come to you and say "eh, none of that stuff is true!" well, it takes a great deal to prove that since we have huge piles of archaeological evidence for the authenticity of ancient texts all over the world and increasing evidence for the authenticity of what they say inside them.  so how can you suggest or accept the notion, that they were just make believe? 

i'm not gonna go back and quote ya :D  cause then we get in a quoting match.  no need for that.   but if you want me to, i will.  you only get this one chance to boss me around, and then, poof. :D

QuoteYou are entitled to your interpretations and Beliefs.

And I have a right to mine.

of course you do! no one is arguing that.  but i just begged to differ on the idea that the old texts were fiction.  and THAT is what caused this conversation.. 

if anyone watched those movies, bear in mind that i don't believe they are completely accurate, but i do believe they fill in alot of gaping holes, quite nicely.  it makes total sense to me that Enki would feel it his duty to make amends for his human creations, which enlil and some of the other anunnaki, were not remotely fond of.

it also fits in nicely with the egyptian clues i had been following, such as the "rod and staff" of jehovah,  being the biblical equivalent of the egyptian crook and flail.  the more i read and learned, the more i realized the egyptian pharaohs were alot more than we have been lead to believe and that the virgin birth concept was a reference to a woman being artificially inseminated and then artificially delivered. in other words, she didn't have sex because it wasn't necessary to impregnant her.  this suggests the egyptian pharaonic line, even as late as jesus' time frame, were high tech, in fact, i theorize those bones in their tombs, aren't THEIR bones

Hi undo11,

Quotebut i just begged to differ on the idea that the old texts were fiction.  and THAT is what caused this conversation..

Clarify Please.

Quote from: undo11 on April 15, 2012, 10:04:22 AM
if anyone watched those movies, bear in mind that i don't believe they are completely accurate, but i do believe they fill in alot of gaping holes, quite nicely.  it makes total sense to me that Enki would feel it his duty to make amends for his human creations, which enlil and some of the other anunnaki, were not remotely fond of.

it also fits in nicely with the egyptian clues i had been following, such as the "rod and staff" of jehovah,  being the biblical equivalent of the egyptian crook and flail.  the more i read and learned, the more i realized the egyptian pharaohs were alot more than we have been lead to believe and that the virgin birth concept was a reference to a woman being artificially inseminated and then artificially delivered. in other words, she didn't have sex because it wasn't necessary to impregnant her.  this suggests the egyptian pharaonic line, even as late as jesus' time frame, were high tech, in fact, i theorize those bones in their tombs, aren't THEIR bones

Cool subject here, Undo, and trust me Im going to read up more on my namesake this week, as you have picqued my interest with the Stargate/Sumer connection.

I truly am sorry to never have visited your part of the forum, and am glad I did now.

In addition, has anyone ever pondered the possibility of the first few dynastic pharoahs being the
early Sumerian nomads who migrated southwestward into Egypt after the flood event?
And if those Sumerians were possessning stargate tech, did they reset it up in Giza?
Hmmmm. more food for thought. And as Littleenki, I have a responsibility to know this stuff, dont I? LOL!
Oh, and check my new avatar....much more appropriate than me standing in front of the Max Planck lab in Jupiter, Fl....hehehe!
It's quanta better than the old one(pun intended);)
Cheers!
Littleenki

Quote from: Littleenki on April 15, 2012, 03:10:57 PM
Cool subject here, Undo, and trust me Im going to read up more on my namesake this week, as you have picqued my interest with the Stargate/Sumer connection.

I truly am sorry to never have visited your part of the forum, and am glad I did now.

In addition, has anyone ever pondered the possibility of the first few dynastic pharoahs being the
early Sumerian nomads who migrated southwestward into Egypt after the flood event?
And if those Sumerians were possessning stargate tech, did they reset it up in Giza?
Hmmmm. more food for thought. And as Littleenki, I have a responsibility to know this stuff, dont I? LOL!
Oh, and check my new avatar....much more appropriate than me standing in front of the Max Planck lab in Jupiter, Fl....hehehe!
It's quanta better than the old one(pun intended);)
Cheers!
Littleenki

abydos, egypt, site of the subterranean temple known as the osirieon, is a big player in that.

and get this:
abydos is the greek spelling.  the egyptian spelling is abdju.  the "dj" in abdju is pronounced "z", like djoser is pronounced "zoser"

so abydos=abdju=abzu. 

i can't take credit for that discovery however.  david rohl was the egyptologist that discovered there were aLOT of early mesopotamian artifacts at abydos.  and discovered various etymology clues, such as that.  another author, named peter goodgame, wrote it down as well in a book called "the giza discovery." 

MMMM HMMM !!! Wow, I love it.

There are so many pieces to the puzzle, but there is a point where there are no more pieces, and the puzzle is complete. It seems like over time and by so many actions that the pieces have been thrown all over the place!

People sometimes have a piece just laying around inside their head and they don't even know it. Which makes it difficult for those actively trying to fit it all together.

I know the Masons, Illuminatti and Church have hidden many things from the people over thousands of years. I suspect with some excuse that they are protecting us - but in many cases I believe it is simply to maintain power over us and protect their secrets. What part of the truth do they have?

The tombs and bones of kings have been desecrated at temples by different groups (even thousands of years ago) and then piled together - losing the ability to identify them. Were they covering up what might be DNA evidence someday?

So many things quite purposely done to throw anyone off the trail of the Truth.

Perhaps in their ceremonies they have tapped into some type of remote viewing and been sending info back and forth through time?

I believe the Chinese sit on lands containing tombs and artifacts from ancient relatives - not their own.

Had the Pharaohs tapped into something natural but unknown to others that gave them abilities that others didn't understand?

It seems the picture is not a simple one. So many perspectives, each carrying part of the truth.

Quote from: The Matrix Traveller on April 15, 2012, 10:51:36 AM
Hi undo11,

Clarify Please.

hmm, seems i jumped the gun on this one! when i read it originally, it said "danger will robinson, danger!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWwOJlOI1nU

it was just a brief comment here

At present we are approaching a "Node" or "Peak" in the Thermal Cycle where the Change takes place,
referred to in some of the Ancient writings now incorrectly treated as religious writings by many.

i read the last part: "incorrectly treated as religious writings " as "incorrect religious writings." lol 

now it could be argued that what we call religious writings are in fact, just their historical texts and we have took to calling them "religious" because they deal with "hypernatural" phenomenon (something i've proposed to a limited degree, but not entirely).

  to me, the old texts are windows into the past about the lifestyles of those ancient people, their royals, the extent of their knowledge they were willing to reveal and the little bread crumb trails they have left scattered about that verify the data as being indeed, hyper- or super-natural.   i don't view such data as fictitious since most of it can be done with science today. and since the laws of science were theoretically the same then as they are now, it's not hard to connect the dots once you come to grips with it in the first place.

that's not to say that the "miraculous" didn't happen, but rather it not only happened, it happened as a result of advanced scientific knowledge, many millenia in advance of human knowledge.  it seems to also contain hyperdimensional or other dimensional info, so i don't think it is all mundane information.

It was mentioned earlier that if the planet sustained an impact and the rotation of the planet slowed, that gravity would lessen and that the inhabitants would gain height/mass...

I believe there have been tombs found around the World with what appear to be giant humans in them?

By the same token, another impact causing the planet to speed up might cause the inhabitants to get shorter over time? lol

What an interesting puzzle... If only we could put all the pieces together.

Quote from: Captain Dave on April 15, 2012, 07:26:33 PM
It was mentioned earlier that if the planet sustained and impact and the rotation of the planet slowed, that gravity would lessen and that the inhabitants would gain height/mass...

I believe there have been tombs found around the World with what appear to be giant humans in them?

there's a great deal of argument about that.  i can list a few here:

1.  the average height of a human for 1000s of years, was about 4ft 6" in.  as a result, anyone significantly taller, such as basketball player height, would be viewed as a giant.  og, the king of bashan, for example, was listed in the old testament at around 10ft tall.

2.  there are mutations and diseases related to great height.  they are considered diseases today because the gravity we experience is too much for an extremely tall person's heart to keep pumping such huge volumes of blood up and down such a large surface area, for many decades.  at one time, this may not have been so, particularly if you read the work of the gentleman who says the planet (and all planets/moons) grow, and on a smaller planet, the gravity would be much less, resulting in the ability for larger framed lifeforms to exist undeterred.  think dinosaurs. he says dinosaurs would not be able to survive today, as their great mass in our current gravity due to the growth of the planet, would cause them to topple over and be unable to get up).

3. the argument is put forth that depictions of large humans such as depictions of pharaohs being exceedingly large, was just an artistic way of showing authority/power, over their subjects.  the counter argument of this are the nephilim references, suggesting the ruling class of the time was not entirely human, and as a result not subject to the same weaknesses.  also the singular word for nephilim (nephal - feller), translates to "giant" in several old texts.

4. there's one last argument i forgot to mention:  when dinosaur bones began to be unearthed, the people who found them thought they must be the bones of the giants referred to in ancient texts.  this may account for "some" or "all" such finds. who knows?  i mean, it's not that hard to imagine a tall sentient species co-existing with a tall dinosaur species.

Just sitting here on my little boat, smile on my face, thinking WOW...  ;D

Quote from: Captain Dave on April 15, 2012, 08:09:24 PM
Just sitting here on my little boat, smile on my face, thinking WOW...  ;D

Hehehe! Capn Dave, a bewildered day on the little boat is better than a productive day at work!
And yes, it's 5 oclock somewhere....the Azores!
Littleenki

am i not making sense?  this is possible!  i have times when i go back and read what i wrote and realize i should've proof read it first before pushing the button.  i keep telling ya folks i have a.d.d.  hehe!

well actually, adhd. :D

Quote from: undo11 on April 15, 2012, 08:19:07 PM
am i not making sense?  this is possible!  i have times when i go back and read what i wrote and realize i should've proof read it first before pushing the button.  i keep telling ya folks i have a.d.d.  hehe!

well actually, adhd. :D

Highly Probable, bordering on factual... I guess depending on which documentation and archeological evidence you have access to.  ::)

Would love to have a museum that puts it all together.


Matrix-
As to the "other side" of things... I know where the door(s) are, I have a key... But I'm liking the whole "flesh/ body" experience... It's warm & laid back and I see no reason to give it up until absolutely necessary.  ;)
( besides, I have yet to own a small bar on a tropical Island )

Quote from: Captain Dave on April 15, 2012, 08:43:43 PM
bordering on factual... I guess depending on which documentation and archeological evidence you have access to.  ::)

you have access to a different version by chance?

Quote from: undo11 on April 15, 2012, 09:15:00 PM
you have access to a different version by chance?

No, no. I just meant that with so much documentation and evidence hidden or missing over the years, mis-translations, flat out fakes, mis-interpretations etc, that it's hard to know the real truth.

The things you've researched and stated seem to be very accurate, but I wonder what is missing due to the afore-mentioned...

Just for arguements sake, say that inhabitants of this planet once reached a point where genetic engineering was possible. The Nephelim could have been just like us but with engineered enhancements.

They could also have been individuals that found a way back from another "dimension" for a lack of better words.

They could have been "left-overs" from previous generations that evolved here.

They could have been from another planet.

They could have been created by "The Living God" and been straight from Heaven?

So I feel like you're on the right track, maybe even 80% or higher accuracy. I can't help feeling like theres so much more to the story though.

Quote from: Captain Dave on April 15, 2012, 09:31:57 PM
No, no. I just meant that with so much documentation and evidence hidden or missing over the years, mis-translations, flat out fakes, mis-interpretations etc, that it's hard to know the real truth.

The things you've researched and stated seem to be very accurate, but I wonder what is missing due to the afore-mentioned...

Just for arguements sake, say that inhabitants of this planet once reached a point where genetic engineering was possible. The Nephelim could have been just like us but with engineered enhancements.

So I feel like you're on the right track, maybe even 80% or higher accuracy. I can't help feeling like theres so much more to the story though.

yeah me too.

i keep getting little hints from the texts about a melding of man and machine.  metal and flesh.  translators have assumed that meant men in armor.  i think it's more than that. 

was interviewing a scholar of the ancient languages, named michael s. heiser.  i asked him what he made of the old testament reference to king david having access to "mighty men", one of which killed 800 men by himself.   in the video series i posted about jesus earlier in the thread, there are more videos leading up to and following the section on jesus.  in it, the lady claims to have evidence that many of the bible patriarchs were in fact, pharaohs and that the info and texts are specifically designed to hide that information, but make it obvious to people who are in the know.  king david, she says, was a pharaoh, as was solomon, joseph, etc.  really fascinating information, believably correlated, with plenty of etymological evidence as well.  it makes so much more sense to me.

like jesus referring to himself as the alpha and omega, is a direct reference to the holder of the crook and flail, which form the shapes of the greek letters for alpha and omega. pretty wild stuff. it also identifies him as the first and the last pharaoh, which is precisely who caesarian was. cleo was not the last pharaoh, caesarian was. 

ironically, he would've had political and hereditary landrights to the entire planet, including the roman empire, and religious and hereditary rights to the messiah title and the land of israel, from the house of david.   he was exactly what they were waiting for -- et.al, a ptolemy pharaoh, related by birth to the tribe of judah, fitting all their requirements for the man who would rule the nations with a "rod" of iron (a reference to the pharaoh's shepherding crook, symbol of his authority over the people as a result of lineage, according to their prophecies).

fascinating stuff. 

In an experience I had when I was younger (1980's), I walked and spoke with a being made of light that looked very very similar to what the show Star Gate portrays as the ancients. I guess the only real difference I noticed was that the face of the being had no human flesh color and was the same color all over including the "clothing".

Now I didn't write any of that down. I spoke with different people about it, but not really that many. I can only guess that others have had similar experiences with the same beings due to the similarities.

The experience I had was down right Biblical in nature, but I never wrote it down. So how much of history is just like that?

( plus try telling people what happened in a situation like that - they think you be coo koo! I was Freaked out - right onto the straight and narrow. People for the most part don't like to be preached to - so I just stopped telling people. Plus, it isn't easy being that good either, society tends to persecute that which is unlike them. So I went back to being "normal". Every great once in awhile something would cause me to tell the tale, but for the most part I just keep it to myself. Better to be silent and thought a fool than open your mouth and prove it lol. )

Quote from: Captain Dave on April 15, 2012, 09:52:00 PM
In an experience I had when I was younger (1980's), I walked and spoke with a being made of light that looked very very similar to what the show Star Gate portrays as the ancients. I guess the only real difference I noticed was that the face of the being had no human flesh color and was the same color all over including the "clothing".

Now I didn't write any of that down. I spoke with different people about it, but not really that many. I can only guess that others have had similar experiences with the same beings due to the similarities.

The experience I had was down right Biblical in nature, but I never wrote it down. So how much of history is just like that?

what did the "being" say?

That it was sent to walk with me through a test of my immortal soul.

( Being of light said - I have been sent to walk with you through a test of your immortal soul. )

And if I had started this thread, it would have been titled - - God's Flood -Faith or Fiction? Of course, I would not have started it anyway, because I accept on the basis of "faith", that the Biblical account of Noah, and the eventual flood (120 years Noah planned for, and waited on) did happen, just as is stated.

Noah had nothing to do with the flood, other than to prepare for it, and to go through it.

There is at least good Biblical reason for us to not base "fact" upon what can be found and "seen" in all of the ........ologys, because of various Biblical scriptures, including Hebrews 11:3:

-------------------"Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.------------------ 

Doesn't that pretty much says to us that "The things that we "see", in all of our "science", may very well not be "the fact of any matter"? God spoke it all into existence, except for man, whom he did made with his hands.

I do understand we are each left to decide for ourselves, what is faith, fact, or fiction, and I do respect that for us all! ;D

here's the videos about the underlying info on the egyptian connection to the bible patriarchs.  i don't agree with everything she says, but she's got some really good information here that i think explains sumerian Enki, Enlil and Anu's connection to Jesus and caesarian.  Amen (as in the egyptian god), i do believe is etymologically related to sumerian Anu.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lI2K6ESmHJI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvSXF2_h5qo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRd5GlEZIDo

i don't think the ring mentioned in the last video, supposedly written about in talmud ( talmud is awful ), is a magic ring.  i'll give you 3 guesses what i think it is. :D

Quote from: Captain Dave on April 15, 2012, 10:12:44 PM
That it was sent to walk with me through a test of my immortal soul.

( Being of light said - I have been sent to walk with you through a test of your immortal soul. )

what was the test?

Quote from: undo11 on April 15, 2012, 10:20:24 PM
i don't think the ring mentioned in the last video, supposedly written about in talmud ( talmud is awful ), is a magic ring.  i'll give you 3 guesses what i think it is. :D

1. The great circle of life (rebirth/reincarnation)
2. Yin/Yang (positive/negative chasing eachother endlessly)
3. The ring of marriage

(etag rats)

Re: the videos i posted above and the trail i had been following regarding the "alpha and omega." if the last pharaoh was caesarian or esa, who was the first pharaoh?  I believe the first pharaoh was Enki.   and that he wasn't a human being, et. al, he wasn't a homosapian.  he was an atum.  it all fits together like a gigantic, millenia sized puzzle.

however,  secret societies think the first pharaoh was osiris because they refuse to admit that the egyptian dynasties predated the flood.  osiris was biblical nimrod, as tons of evidence, and i do mean tons, indicate.  he was also known as akkadian enmerkar and the egyptian narmer, the founder of the post flood egyptian dynasty.    he became a "mighty one" after he was already born.  the dude was genetically modified, while alive.  i don't know what they did to him, but he became a nephilim.

Quote from: undo11 on April 15, 2012, 11:00:57 PM
what was the test?

In the test there were two paths to choose from. One a winding path, that was clean and free of obstacles (to my left). One that was straight towards the light (the one that was in front of me.)

There were quite a few different tests.

Whew, long story there. I'll have to write out the whole thing in another thread because many many many things happened.

Long story short... it was about faith & belief in God and how to increase that faith.

( I mean the type of faith where you can walk through anything. Watch your flesh be torn and instantly watch it heal...)

I take it that nobody actually wants to puzzle out how and why a flood could have occured???
I thought that this thread was about such??
Hobbit

Quote from: hobbit on April 15, 2012, 11:26:30 PM
I take it that nobody actually wants to puzzle out how and why a flood could have occured???
I thought that this thread was about such??
Hobbit

Aren't all things tied together in the fabric of the Universe?
             
                                               ;D

I don't really think there is much debate as to whether there was a flood or not? It seems to mainly be about why or how?

What aspect do you see hobbit?

I personally feel that it was an asteroid impact. Does this occur on a regular basis? I would guess that given the spanse of all eternity that yes it happens "regularly".

Why does it happen?

Well ultimately perhaps it's Gods "reset button".  ( Perhaps it's some alien races reset button...  >:( )

Leaving it to science I would think the sheer number of objects being affected by what appears to be violent action from other objects within the Universe that there is no clear way for us to map where/when.

To do so we would have to know all the possible outcomes of every action within a huge area around us. Based on current publicly available knowledge we can only keep our eyes peeled.

Unless "alien" influences are willing to give us their charts and or willing to irradicate any possible threats, it will IMO remain a guessing game.

If we are already advanced enough to take action against impending doom from said asteroids - say within space and at great distance, I have no proof.

The first page of this thread shows what I believe to be large asteroid impacts. If not, what are they? If indeed they are what they appear to be, then would they not cause a wordwide flood?

I suppose diving, dredging and dating materials from within those impact area's would tell us if they are indeed from the same time period as Noah's flood? They could also tell us of other possible time periods where other floods and world changing events have occured?

Quote from: Captain Dave on April 15, 2012, 11:33:58 PM
Aren't all things tied together in the fabric of the Universe?
             
                                               ;D

I don't really think there is much debate as to whether there was a flood or not? It seems to mainly be about why or how?

What aspect do you see hobbit?

Any flood of water will be as a consequence of a flood of the universal permeating force that enables water to both be below and above your sailing vessel.
That force operates in a duality of spin.

To flood the planet, or large areas of the planet will require a sudden alteration in the fairly constant balance of that duality We have ever in recent history experienced.
It would require either all of the above surface clouds to descend to surface, or for sub surface water to be attracted to an higher level above surface.

IMHO there is no force called gravity, what we term such is a mere local condition relative to this planets surface area presently.

The moon is the big clue in how it enables alteration relative to its location, and in tandem with other solar bodies locations.
IF another presently unknown body came onto the scene as such, then a huge electrical discharge may result in said water level alterations.
hobbit

So in other words, if the Moon gets moved closer to Earth by some force, or another large enough spatial mass wanders past, then the Oceans could move around alot causing flooding? Or I should say could have caused flooding?

Looking at the moons surface, and seeing what has been called lava flows (not sure if thats correct terminology) I'm guessing something hot, heavy and moving at great speed hit the moon at one point or another? I wonder if during that same time period, the Earth also received a few hits?

Given that the moon remains "locked" facing us and line of sight issues I really think we probably got hit first.

It seems like quite a few different things could have or have happened to Earth over 4.5 billion years.

It would be nice to have a chronological order and list of all Major natural disasters.

I wonder if some method has been used to date when all major craters on Earth occured? I'd love to have that list...

I was once told by a "bible scholar friend" who said that the text's on the exodus from egypt were mistranslated. That in fact Moses fled aross a "sea of reed's" or marsh-land's and not the Red Sea as portrayed.

I later heard that an archeological team found evidence that a volcano had erupted in the area around the same time as Moses exodus and a sunami occured.



   

Quote from: Captain Dave on April 16, 2012, 03:06:18 AM
It seems like quite a few different things could have or have happened to Earth over 4.5 billion years.

It would be nice to have a chronological order and list of all Major natural disasters.

I wonder if some method has been used to date when all major craters on Earth occured? I'd love to have that list...

I was once told by a "bible scholar friend" who said that the text's on the exodus from egypt were mistranslated. That in fact Moses fled aross a "sea of reed's" or marsh-land's and not the Red Sea as portrayed.

I later heard that an archeological team found evidence that a volcano had erupted in the area around the same time as Moses exodus and a sunami occured.

my favorite was in a book written several years ago now that described the parting of the red sea in a very unique way.  he said they were accompianed by a space ship the entire way. that it generated the pillar of fire by night and the pillar of cloud by day, and that descriptions of the area on the night before the parting of the sea, could be easily construed to be a large craft, hovering above the sea in that area and literally evaporating all water below it, creating the wind blowing thru the camp the night before.  i'd have to go hunt it down, as it is a fascinating description of almost every sighting in the old testament and a couple in the new as well.

not finding it but i did find this little gem. it's carl sagan theorizing how to terraform the planet venus:

The late astronomer and astrophysicist Carl Sagan once put forward an ingenious plan for terraforming (making a planet hospitable) the currently infernal world of Venus. Sagan calculated that if we bombarded Venus with 1000 rocket-loads of blue-green algae, some of the hardy one-celled organisms would reproduce in the upper atmosphere before crashing down to the surface, which has a temperature of 900 degrees Fahrenheit. This incredibly hot temperature is nothing to some algae that thrive in boiling hot springs on Earth. Rocket-loads of the tough algae cells released into the thick cloud cover continually over a period of years would ultimately allow a flourishing colony of cells that would convert the carbon-dioxide in the Venusian atmosphere into oxygen. After several hundred years, enough oxygen would be formed on Venus to cool down the planet and vastly reduce the Venusian greenhouse effect. This in turn would allow the significant amounts of water vapour which is known to exist in the atmosphere of Venus to fall as rain. The end product would be a cycle of rainfall and the formation of rivers and lakes on the planet. Sagan's plans are not pipe dreams; computer simulations have determined that a terraforming programme for Venus is entirely feasible if enough time, money and technology is provided for the project, which would literally reap astronomical profits. A transformed Venus would not only become a second Earth for humanity to colonise, it would present unprecedented territorial ownership disputes among the nations of Earth.

As Venus has no tectonic plate system like Earth, it would be earthquake free. Secondly, the Venusian day lasts 243 Earth days; that would be 243 days of continual sunshine in the planet's tropical belt, which entails obvious advantages over Earth's tourist industry. Venus would become the ultimate retreat for this planet's millionaires, and the ultra-novel extraterrestrial holiday location would require a sizeable workforce from Earth. The prolonged period of sunshine on Venus would probably necessitate subterranean or air-conditioned dwellings where artificial night could be simulated. Another possibility at stimulating a localised form of night could work by orbiting inflatable reflective myelin mirrors around the planet. The shadows of these mirrors falling on the surface of Venus would create an oasis of darkness which the inhabitants would experience as a solar eclipse effect. Alternatively, perhaps anyone tiring of the eight-month day could even journey to the dark side of Venus, where the stars would be on view for as long as there were clear skies. Of course, no one is entirely sure what resources lie beneath the Venusian crust, but as the planet is almost a twin of the Earth in size and gravity, we must surmise that there will be radioactive ores, gold, silver and many other precious metals and minerals present.

http://www.reocities.com/Athens/Atlantis/5469/oldtestament.html

Quote from: rdunk on April 15, 2012, 10:15:22 PM

There is at least good Biblical reason for us to not base "fact" upon what can be found and "seen" in all of the ........ologys, because of various Biblical scriptures, including Hebrews 11:3:

-------------------"Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.------------------ 

Doesn't that pretty much says to us that "The things that we "see", in all of our "science", may very well not be "the fact of any matter"? God spoke it all into existence, except for man, whom he did made with his hands.

Yes, Rdunk I agree with you here on this.

Well, as much as the subject can hold, I would like to
inquire what others think about the aspect of the possibility
that Noah was chosen due to his DNA.

In that time there were Angels that had come to earth
and had inter mingled with the women....

Its very controversial, yet I keep finding so many
items to point back to this.

Noah's DNA was not 'corrupted" or otherwise he was found
to be acceptable. What was the criteria?

Quote from: burntheships on April 16, 2012, 03:37:40 AM
Yes, Rdunk I agree with you here on this.

Well, as much as the subject can hold, I would like to
inquire what others think about the aspect of the possibility
that Noah was chosen due to his DNA.

In that time there were Angels that had come to earth
and had inter mingled with the women....

Its very controversial, yet I keep finding so many
items to point back to this.

Noah's DNA was not 'corrupted" or otherwise he was found
to be acceptable. What was the criteria?

that's an interesting question because in other hebrew writings it is said that noah's parents were concerned at his appearance.  he looked different but they were assured he was normal.  i'm not sure on the details.

the biblical account suggests, that noah was not genetically polluted, and that appeared to be a requirement.  i am stumped as to what the pollution was that it would qualify wiping some and not wiping others but it clearly had something to do with his "Generations", which i view as a very big clue that the pollution was genetic..

I've, shall we say, encountered the idea that cross-species procreation was possible at one time.  This idea accounts for centaurs, mermaids, harpies and various other mixed species.  Non-polluted genetic material and/or offspring would have been single species.  Only human, only feline, only equine, etc.  I was not an eyewitness, as far as I know, so I can only offer what I've encountered in other writings.

Shasta

Undo,

It is very interesting, especially considering that there is
no mention of Noahs wife, and it is known that mtDNA is passed
on by the mothers eggs.

I find it all very interesting.

Quote from: burntheships on April 16, 2012, 04:28:33 AM
Undo,

It is very interesting, especially considering that there is
no mention of Noahs wife, and it is known that mtDNA is passed
on by the mothers eggs.

I find it all very interesting.

Great point bts.

As a genealogist, when I discovered the fact about mtDNA being passed along by the mother, it occured to me how backwards we have the tradition of women taking men's names at marriage.

In all aspects it would be more logical to trace to have it the other way round. Keep the mothers name along with the mtDNA that goes with it please.


We genealogisits have a hard enough time as it is, trying to piece together all these bits of informations!   ;)

(Tracing one's biological history is coming into play quite a bit these days to determine one's risk or being prone to experience certain conditions due to heriditary history.)

Area51,

Yes, well what you mention also applies to what we know
about the egyptian's and their lineage,
correct me if I am wrong.

(its late and I am tired)

Well, I am glued to the thread. I have long studied the
account of Noah, and his Ark....acutally since being a young girl.

I try to keep an open mind.

A51...
You said
"As a genealogist, when I discovered the fact about mtDNA being passed along by the mother, it occured to me how backwards we have the tradition of women taking men's names at marriage.

Hasn't always been that way though.... until the religions who were paternalistic took over... the womans linage was very carefully noted. Those who are now watching what some have called " the Feminine Rising" might say that things are swinging the other way....

I wanted to ask you if you have studied the possibility that Psychic abilities may be inherited... and  if they somehow may be linked to the Mitochondrial DNA that you mention..... Mr. Twigsnapper on our Forum has for years fallen back on the saying.... over and over and over again " Remember The Women..... Now he admittedly for most of his colorful life has been quite an admirer of women....( usually the dangerous, pistol under the pillow, white gardenia in her hair type) BUT I have always felt when he hits us with that saying over and over again that he is meaning something really serious here......

Am I right in thinking that all of the human species genetically can be traced back to FIVE women?

That little bit of information got lodged in my brain and I am not sure that it is accurate or not.  Linda

Quote from: Linda Brown on April 16, 2012, 05:36:05 AM

Am I right in thinking that all of the human species genetically can be traced back to FIVE women?

I am not up on the latest in this field, but as I recall the number is quite small.

The only other relevant fact I am aware of is that The Wolf is the original ancestor of all dog species we see today. It contains all of the original information that is seen only partially in all of the various offshoots of dog breeds we see today, but they all trace back to The Wolf.

Could we consider The Wolf to have 'untainted' genetics?


edit to add:  not sure about the passing along paranormal abilities part, but you know the old saying, 'it runs in the family'.

'It' (whatever that might happen to be in question, health considerations or natural inclinations or abilities) has also been known to skip a generation then re- appear.

   

Quote from: A51Watcher on April 16, 2012, 06:02:33 AM
'It' (whatever that might happen to be in question, health considerations or natural inclinations or abilities) has also been known to skip a generation then re- appear.

I note that My father, who was quite brilliant mathematically passed none of that skill to any of Us three kids, but My daughter, the only grandchild, one day as I was explaining the number line to Her at age four, looked up at Me and said, "Mommy, math is easy!"

I was thrilled!  I only hoped She still thought that when She hit calc and trig!  At 9, She is in a magnet school for math and science now, and I hear, getting A's.

So it did indeed skip a generation.

Psychic/psychotic traits run in my family.  It seems to be psychic traits on the paternal side and psychotic traits on the maternal side.  No wonder I think I'm a cat.

Shasta

Hi Undo11,

Firstly Let me apologize to  Captain Dave, as my first Post was about my understanding
of "Noah's Flood" and the Connection to what is about to take place some time in the future.
It was NOT my wish to be led into the fruitless discussion which followed.

So  Captain Dave please accept my deepest apologies for what has occurred.


Undo11,

Re. my statement which should NOT be taken out of Context Quote;

QuoteAt present we are approaching a "Node" or "Peak" in the Thermal Cycle where the Change
takes place, referred to, in some of the Ancient writings now incorrectly treated as religious writings
by many.

Undo11, You wrote Quote;

Quoteread the last part: "incorrectly treated as religious writings " as "incorrect religious writings." lol

now it could be argued that what we call religious writings are in fact, just their historical texts
and we have took to calling them "religious" because they deal with "hypernatural" phenomenon
(something i've proposed to a limited degree, but not entirely).

  to me, the old texts are windows into the past about the lifestyles of those ancient people,
their royals, the extent of their knowledge they were willing to reveal and the little bread crumb
trails they have left scattered about that verify the data as being indeed, hyper- or super-natural.
i don't view such data as fictitiousp

Neither do I ???

Quotesince most of it can be done with science today. and since the laws of science were theoretically the same then as they are now, it's not hard to connect the dots once you come to grips with it in the first place.

that's not to say that the "miraculous" didn't happen, but rather it not only happened, it happened as a result of advanced scientific knowledge, many millenia in advance of human knowledge.  it seems to also contain hyperdimensional or other dimensional info, so i don't think it is all mundane information.

Sorry Undo11, I am at a loss to what your argument is.   :o   ???   ;D

As I have agreed with you.

So you have lost me on this One.... Sorry     :(


My Definition, regarding "incorrectly treated as religious writings"

I see the ancient writings as being very relevant, as I guess you do too.

I understand The writings, as Parables, regarding the History of the Soul
and "The Metamorphose of The Soul".

Now the reason I see them in this way, is the result of Experiencing Death (so called)
in August 1973.

I was certified officially, as "Brain Dead".

A doctor pronounced my body as officially or legally  "Dead", in August 1973.

More than 30 + minutes later, I was then conscious of this world once again.

So I have no requirement, to guess about WHAT (NOT Who)
has produced the ALL weather you believe me or not.

It makes no difference whatsoever to the TRUTH of what happened.

Sorry, but you have no power to change this Fact, through what you want to believe or not.

You are entirely free to believe what you want or don't want to but you don't have the right
to accuse me of Lying or that my writings aren't true.

Now the reason I say the Ancient Writings regarding The Soul are in "Parables" is because
I clearly recognize what is hidden in these writings, as a result of experiencing "Outside"
this known universe during the 30 + minute period mentioned above, whether you believe it not.

Regarding "Noah's Flood"; I gave an account of this in my original post in this forum.

My original Post in this forum, was about what I knew about The Earth's "Thermal Cycles"
and the connection with "Noah's Flood. Some of which has been reported on TV etc.

I thought it may be of interest to others and add some understanding.


As regard to the questions you asked regarding the source you can find those answers in my forum.

The reason I have Not answered your question, regarding the Source in this forum,
was because of your unwarranted sarcastic remarks, and as I respect  Captain Dave,
I have no desire to address questions relating to other subjects in this Forum,
unless  Captain Dave Himself wants to me to.

But really there is so much involved, it would require repeating my forum here, and that is simply
not practicable..  ;D

With regard to explaining more regarding "Noah's flood" I am more than happy to do so.    ;D

If Not then that's also OK by me.   ;D

Please, no apologies are necessary!  ;D

Speaking to each other at all usually means we are trying to convey or understand something - usually our experiences. That sharing in itself shows care for others & not ill will. Though frustration does sometimes get the better of us.

I know that words can not always convey the true experience, and it seems therefore the essence of what we mean is lost. With that said, thank you all for taking the time and making the attempt to share your thoughts, idea's and knowledge.

Though sometimes it takes awhile for me to understand what is said, I do enjoy trying. Often what is said today will make sense tomorrow or a week, or maybe even in years to come. When the time is right, the puzzle pieces fall into place. So much of what you each say, causes me to see a larger picture of our existence and that to me is one of the greatest things in life.

---

Though sometimes it seems things are going off topic, you never know where those off topic comments may lead... They may trigger a memory or an idea that solves a 6000 year old mystery. Some of the greatest things are discovered by accident, so far be it from me to stymie the  process.  ;)

Hi Undo11,

Here is an interesting Article on Venus.

Physics@Suite101

http://paul-a-heckert.suite101.com/tectonic-and-geologic-activity-on-venus-a111167

Paul A. Heckert - I have a Ph.D. in astrophysics, over 30 years experience teaching physics and astronomy, and over 60 published research articles.

Read more at Suite101: Tectonic and Geologic Activity on Venus: Venus's Surface Has Processes Different from Earth's Plate Tectonics | Suite101.com http://paul-a-heckert.suite101.com/tectonic-and-geologic-activity-on-venus-a111167#ixzz1sC9BQ05I

Peace.

;D.

Quote from: The Matrix Traveller on April 16, 2012, 10:43:17 AM
Hi Undo11,

Here is an interesting Article on Venus.

Physics@Suite101

http://paul-a-heckert.suite101.com/tectonic-and-geologic-activity-on-venus-a111167

Paul A. Heckert - I have a Ph.D. in astrophysics, over 30 years experience teaching physics and astronomy, and over 60 published research articles.

Read more at Suite101: Tectonic and Geologic Activity on Venus: Venus's Surface Has Processes Different from Earth's Plate Tectonics | Suite101.com http://paul-a-heckert.suite101.com/tectonic-and-geologic-activity-on-venus-a111167#ixzz1sC9BQ05I

Peace.

;D.

interesting!

the page i linked with info on carl sagan's venus terraform, also had this little juicy tidibt:

No natural phenomenon can account for the parting of the Red Sea, but if we are open-minded enough to entertain the hypothesis that extraterrestrials were responsible, we could imagine some potent antigravity forces pushing back the waters. We can already manipulate liquids at a distance with electrostatic forces. Many computer printers utilise this affect by using electrical fields to manoeuvre jets of charged ink around paper. If you let a thin stream of water run from a tap, then comb you hair and place the comb inches from this stream, the static electricity in the comb will actually bend the flow. If the static charge was greater, the water would flow at right angles, and if the electricity was charged further by a Van de Graff generator, you would be able to draw up gallons of water from a swimming pool. To part the Red Sea would take millions of watts of power, but that would easily be expendable to a space faring race.

Quote from: undo11 on April 16, 2012, 05:46:14 PM
the page i linked with info on carl sagan's venus terraform, also had this little juicy tidibt:

No natural phenomenon can account for the parting of the Red Sea, but if we are open-minded enough to entertain the hypothesis that extraterrestrials were responsible, we could imagine some potent antigravity forces pushing back the waters. We can already manipulate liquids at a distance with electrostatic forces. Many computer printers utilise this affect by using electrical fields to manoeuvre jets of charged ink around paper. If you let a thin stream of water run from a tap, then comb you hair and place the comb inches from this stream, the static electricity in the comb will actually bend the flow. If the static charge was greater, the water would flow at right angles, and if the electricity was charged further by a Van de Graff generator, you would be able to draw up gallons of water from a swimming pool. To part the Red Sea would take millions of watts of power, but that would easily be expendable to a space faring race.

The water would have been easier to force apart through the artificial integration of gravity fields, or a electroctstic effect for an advanced race bent on protecting, and helping the jews on their exodus. Any tech required would have been rudimentary to them, as pulling a big ship through space for thousand sof light years requires a bit more pop than parting some water, which was acheived with advanced tech no doubt.
For the parting, i picture some sort of force like a coriolis effect where the water spirals away in opposing directions from the center point of the event.
Like a two way drain, pulling the water in two distinct directions away from the event ground zero.

Whoever was feeidng the jews manna, was the most likely culprit, and the tech was most likely similar to what is described in Sagan's venus terraforming report. Manna was just algae, and was created through photosynthesis daily, and kept the jews alive all that time. parting the red sea was just the Advanced races way of sending a huge message to the pursuers: stay back!

The bible is one of my favorite research tools, and to sit down and read it with an open mind is a challenge unto itself, as there are so many different ways to decipher whats being written in there, and so many ways it's been altered through the years.
It is now a more telling indicator of what was wrong with society for all those two thousand years, than it is a show of power for the goodness of society, which we all know is lacking these days.

A good book? well maybe not, but a treasure trove of twisted tales and hidden meanings that creates a conundrum among the religious folks of the world. To learn from the Bible, one needs to immediately recognize the redundant, rhetorical nature of it, and the way stories have been changed many times over, and then we can look into the minds of those who wrote it for the clues to why they would lie, or write semi and non truths about our history.

Oh yeah, I forgot about the Romans. Ever since they took over, it's been a sideshow for religion, with hypocrisy and double standards being the norm for most trapped therein.

It went away with the Gnostics, and has yet to return(the true nature of Jesus and his teachings) and has been bastardized by the worlds so called christian religions for centuries.

Littleenki

littleenki

i've had the opportunity to see this question from many sides, primarily because i have been a non-christian, a fundie christian and a rather off the wall, fundie christian.  i've also study this subject from many angles, and i can tell ya right now, of all the religions on this planet, christianity is the only one that actually started treating females as if they had value above that of chattel.   for example:

in china, they killed their female children because they were considered maggots in the rice.  sons were required as part of the cultural tradition, to help their parents in their waning years.  whereas females, once married, were bound to their husband's family and had to help him with his parents.  so female children were often killed after they were born.  it got so bad, soon there were very few females left in all of china.  the young men, with no family to be concerned about and no prospect of ever having a female mate, formed roaming bands of warriors who ended up overthrowing the chinese empire.  but at what cost?

the hindus, as a result of vedic traditions regarding bridal dowry, killed so many of their female children at birth, that the only ones who had female companionship were the maharajis.  these maharajis would go to war against each other, and take each other's women.  so they began to gather all the women in the kingdom in the center of the city, young, old, infants, and burn them alive, rather than let the invaders have them.

both of these cultures still do this kind of thing today, even though their governments have outlawed it.  in fact, the 1 child policy has resulted in the registered deaths of millions of unborn females, fforcibly aborted by government writ, and millions more secretly killed by their own mothers.

and we haven't even got to female circumsion, which is actually female genital mutilation.  the idea being that if the woman has no clitoris, she won't be interested in cheating on her man, even if he's a maniac.

in greece, they prefered male companionship to female, and formed a complex social order based on pedarasty.  female children were often killed or simply starved to death after birth.

did i mention what the old testament jews did to women?  or the muslims?   or what about stalin, hitler, mao?  we gonna talk about
some insane killing, let's start with the really big guns.  the ones that have deliberately and methodically killled, down thru the course of history, female children specifically, for no crime other than being born female. 

I don't let the Christian Ethic off that lightly. They may not have starved or disposed of their women but women were nothing more than a husbands property.  or their fathers responsibility until he could offer enough dowry to get them off his hands.... And Christianity is a Paternalistic religion.... They don't say.... "Our Father"...for no reason. And the only reason that the Virgin Mary got a passing nod by the church is that they needed someone to stand for the "Mother Earth" to the new Christians drawn in from their Pagan upbringings. She fulfilled a purpose....

So I am just throwing a marker down. Women have gotten a raw deal.... for a very long time.   Linda

Quotein china, they killed their female children because they were considered maggots in the rice.  sons were required as part of the cultural tradition, to help their parents in their waning years.  whereas females, once married, were bound to their husband's family and had to help him with his parents.  so female children were often killed after they were born.  it got so bad, soon there were very few females left in all of china.  the young men, with no family to be concerned about and no prospect of ever having a female mate, formed roaming bands of warriors who ended up overthrowing the chinese empire.  but at what cost?

Isn't is funny what the western world believes about China.

I was married under Chinese Law!
Our Marriage certificate is in China.

When I lived in China I saw more woman in the streets than men.    ;D

Quote from: Linda Brown on April 17, 2012, 01:05:01 AM
I don't let the Christian Ethic off that lightly. They may not have starved or disposed of their women but women were nothing more than a husbands property.  or their fathers responsibility until he could offer enough dowry to get them off his hands.... And Christianity is a Paternalistic religion.... They don't say.... "Our Father"...for no reason. And the only reason that the Virgin Mary got a passing nod by the church is that they needed someone to stand for the "Mother Earth" to the new Christians drawn in from their Pagan upbringings. She fulfilled a purpose....

So I am just throwing a marker down. Women have gotten a raw deal.... for a very long time.   Linda

i have no doubt whatsoever that christians have, over the centuries, paid like very little attention to what was said about women by jesus. he said there's no more male or female, slave or free, etc, for all are one in christ jesus.  he took a female to the front of synagogue had her speak to the men, which was a big no-no.   women weren't allowed on the same floor, much less in the front talking.  some of them even tripped over their own robes to avoid looking at women. 

why jesus' approach to women was ignored alot is probably to keep the christian men from being accused of being pussy whipped into submission by their women, since every other culture probably thought they were crazy.  even the vikings treated their women like crap.

to atheists like the communists, women are looked at like heads of cattle, and if there are too many calves, just take out the heifers. 

you get the idea.  there's no place on this planet truly safe for women but i feel a heckuvalot safer here than i would anywhere else.

Quote from: The Matrix Traveller on April 17, 2012, 01:21:30 AM
Isn't is funny what the western world believes about China.

I was married under Chinese Law!
Our Marriage certificate is in China.

When I lived in China I saw more woman in the streets than men.    ;D

that's odd since every newspaper and humanitarian org on the planet is complaining about the situation for female children over there.  might explain why the orphanges are filled with female children, almost exclusively.  maybe you're seeing the generation that's alive now, but give it 20 years, and the ones that were aborted, won't be there.  and those streets are gonna look pretty male.

Men, Women... Are both not equal? Different reproductive organs but not much difference otherwise.

Throughout all of history have not both been shown capable of treachery & honor... love & hate... lies & truth... gentleness & brutality?

Where is the big difference? Ah, yes - societal ruling class laws. Who makes the laws? People who don't have to worry about following them.

We are all a product of our experiences and environment. Will we ever achieve balance? Well, our record isn't looking very good so far.

Perhaps perfection is in the imperfection and things are exactly as they are meant to be? The World I dream of is nothing like this, but I am small and the mountain is large. I've tried to move the mountain with faith, but when it started dropping boulders I quit.

I envy Noah and his people, the World must have been a Paradise without all the over complication! I know, that's probably wrong to say, but it's still the truth.

I guess it's all a matter of perspective and which one you're living.

Quote from: Captain Dave on April 17, 2012, 02:28:18 AM
Men, Women... Are both not equal? Different reproductive organs but not much difference otherwise.

Throughout all of history have not both been shown capable of treachery & honor... love & hate... lies & truth... gentleness & brutality?

Where is the big difference? Ah, yes - societal ruling class laws. Who makes the laws? People who don't have to worry about following them.

We are all a product of our experiences and environment. Will we ever achieve balance? Well, our record isn't looking very good so far.

Perhaps perfection is in the imperfection and things are exactly as they are meant to be? The World I dream of is nothing like this, but I am small and the mountain is large. I've tried to move the mountain with faith, but when it started dropping boulders I quit.

I envy Noah and his people, the World must have been a Paradise without all the over complication! I know, that's probably wrong to say, but it's still the truth.

I guess it's all a matter of perspective and which one you're living.

that's thought provoking concept: et.al, noah's time being paradiscal. in the sumerian-akkadian version, is isn't some normal guy on the street who gets rescued from the flood by enki, but rather the king of sumer lol 

Hi undo11,

If you are referring to abortions you may be right, but this happens in most Countries now Sadly.

Sometimes illegally, but in some Countries it is legal as in NZ.

So its NOT just in China.

Is Abortion legal in the U.S. ?

Quote from: The Matrix Traveller on April 17, 2012, 03:41:58 AM
Hi undo11,

If you are referring to abortions you may be right, but this happens in most Countries now Sadly.

Sometimes illegally, but in some Countries it is legal as in NZ.

So its NOT just in China.

Is Abortion legal in the U.S. ?

yep. 

what the issue is, is because of the traditional customs and religion of the people of china, they prefer boy children. so when told they could only have 1 child and any others would have to be avoided by using contraceptives, such as forced IUDs or abortion, most of them chose to abort any female children.  originally, they were told the gender of the child, so they could make a choice.  after like 10 years of something like 80% of all female fetuses being aborted,, the chinese government made it illegal to tell the parents the baby's gender.  so now they go to private, back street doctors, sympathetic to their plight. 

some opt to go ahead and have the female child and just not tell the government that they have them, but then that female doesn't qualify for any government services, so if they get sick, they can't be taken to  government doctors.  they get no schooling, no doctors, and become essentially lower than the family pet.  and then they try again for a boy child.

alot of the female babies are just left in the street after they're delivered in those back street doctor's offices or by some neighborhood midwife.

it's an odd situation and a horrible one too.  parents of boy children are now looking ahead and realizing their little boy is not going to have a way to pass on the family name.   it's already starting to impact remote areas, and they are opting to kidnap other people's female children, going as far as crossing over into surrounding nations in search of future wives for their boys.  there are whole villages where there are no female children, at all.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISme5-9orR0

It is horribly wrong to abort children because of their gender. Abortion itself is such a tricky subject all together. I could understand in rape cases, where the child having to grow up with the knowledge of how they were created would be horrible. There are just so many variables to consider.

There is a growing populous problem and it must be fixed, if we don't do it, nature will. If we do it, then we have control over it and can do it with care. Voluntarily - Free birth control. If nature does it... well you can bet it won't be pretty.

China has over one Billion more people than we do here in the US alone. With over 7 Billion people on the planet and the Earths abilities to sustain us being strained beyond reason, we're looking more and more like a runaway train. If the number increases exponentially from 7 Billion as would be expected what then?

Well, reason should be telling us what to do, but instead we are forced to let it get worse. Population control is a world wide problem. Birth control should be free World wide period.   

Not only are we polluting and changing our atmosphere etc, we're over exhausting so many different ecosystems.

These problems are all solvable, but the way our systems are designed, don't dare make a sound or you will be taken away.

It's like watching a child stick their finger in an electric outlet and being gagged & tied up so you can't do anything about it.

Sure, there are quite a few variables that caused Noah's flood... Ultimately though could it have been caused by yet another generation of human beings out of control?

After Hurricane Ike came through here, there were no fishermen around for quite awhile. When they came back, they remarked how Incredible the fishing was! Ah Fish, Fish everywhere! No Sh1t, I wonder why? lol

Quote from: Captain Dave on April 17, 2012, 04:50:37 AM


Sure, there are quite a few variables that caused Noah's flood... Ultimately though could it have been caused by yet another generation of human beings out of control?

originally, i theorized that enki had experimented one time too many with his human, animal and plant life creations and caused some horrible mutations that made most of the plant and animal life inedible, inadvertently or deliberately, made alot of people sick, and caused major droughts to spawn as a result of the dying greeny. sorta like a 3000 BC version of a big pharma company, ran by a powerful scientist who just happened to be an ET. 

but then i read the mahabharata.  there were alot more things going on than just some new lifeforms being introduced to the planet's ecosystem.   there were horrible wars, on a scale unlike anything we've seen yet, although hiroshima and nagasaki are reminiscent of what was going on, it was actually much worse than that.   

anybody that's read sitchin's earth chronicles is probably familar with the pyramid war texts.  i believe he theorized that enlil had a couple bases between egypt, the sinai peninsula and jerusalem, and that jerusalem was like our nasa -- a ground control station and space port.

i think sitchin is frequently off, but not there. i think he's right on the money.  jerusalem is a hotspot because jerusalem IS A HOT SPOT.  solomon was told to build there because that was the original site of enlil's space port.  to the egyptians, he had another name.  i'm still trying to figure it out.  i will.  :D

anyway, there's some heavy duty activity back then that could've lead to the planet being unliveable, because the ancient texts all point to that:  the planet was not fit for human life anymore and the nephilim had taken to eating the remaining humans, sorta like a solyent green scenario. and as they died, their cries went "up to heaven".   this angered "god in the heavens." now i dunno if that was enlil, enki or anu.   but i'm fairly certain anu was the "god of the heavens" so i'm gonna guess he's the one that said, "FIX THIS!" and enlil's fix was wipe the slate.  and enki's fix was, save the ones that aren't sick before enlil wipes the slate.

Quote from: Captain Dave on April 14, 2012, 08:52:53 AM
Large impact crater at the Top of South America...?
(http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/6743/topsamericaimpact1.jpg)

Large impact crater at the Southern Tip of South America...?
(http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/1395/tipsamericaimpact2.jpg)

I checked around and the two craters I posted above aren't listed anywhere that I can find... I probably missed something somewhere though... Uhh, cause those are some extinction level impacts... Uh, two of them... so thats Dino's bye by and maybe even Dino's great great great grand pappy's too etc.

I guess Noah could have surfed one of them, maybe the one off the tip of S. America but figured they were a little before his time.

These have to be asteroid impacts... If you zoom in on the southern one, within Google Earth, you can see "fingers" of land pushed up at the far eastern side of the crater creating small islands along the curved craters edge.

This wouldn't occur from anything I can think of but an asteroid plowing into the sea floor and pushing up land mass as it came to rest. Water then rushing into the wall of pushed up land that rose above sea level at it highest elevation and pushing through the weakest points creating the remaining islands.

http://impact.scaredycatfilms.com/ (http://impact.scaredycatfilms.com/)

Quote from: Captain Dave on April 17, 2012, 06:07:57 AM
I checked around and the two craters I posted above aren't listed anywhere that I can find... I probably missed something somewhere though... Uhh, cause those are some extinction level impacts... Uh, two of them... so thats Dino's bye by and maybe even Dino's great great great grand pappy's too etc.

I guess Noah could have surfed one of them, maybe the one off the tip of S. America but figured they were a little before his time.

http://impact.scaredycatfilms.com/ (http://impact.scaredycatfilms.com/)

you sure that's an impact crater and not a ridge forming from the creation of new land?  have you ever seen anything by neal adams?

like this, for example:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJfBSc6e7QQ

I still think it's a crater.  ;D Asteroid came in at glancing angle and pushed/rolled to a stop. The rest eroded later.

(http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/8012/samericacrater.jpg)

Re Noah's Flood ,

The Main source of water, was from the Fountains of the deep, according to the wrings.

The rain was a secondary phenomena lasting 40 days and nights, but the former involving
the "Fountains" of the deep, lasted perhaps (guessing) about 8 Hours.

I mentioned the verses referring to the Fountains in my first post in this forum.

This involves water coming up through the "Trenches" (where the tectonic plates collide and interact)
from under the Earths Crust, Involving the Earths "Thermal Cycle".

A somewhat Catastrophic event for the human Primate, and other animals.

The pressure was so great behind the water, water was shot thousands of feet into the atmosphere
and came down as Rain over the following 40 days and nights.

It Rained for the First time as a mist used to come up from the Earth, then condense into water
forming rivers and lakes, in the times before "Noah's flood" during the previous stage
of the Earths "Thermal Cycle", (the Cold Cycle) according to the writings.

Another interesting thing was, Color was seen for the first time also noted in the wrings..

Re. The "Rainbow" appeared for the first time, which was recorded as a covenant
between God & Man.

I can also explain the workings behind this as well.

Nope, Asteroid. Asteroid hit, massive amounts of water thrown into the upper atmosphere causing rain. Tidal waves all over. Flooding... Impact caused massive shock waves, earth quakes, stress and pressure on plates all over, even causing undergound aquifers to spew out as fountains.  ;D

Changed the speed of Earths rotation, even caused the Earth's axis to change.

Saw it all happen in my head.  :o ;D

The video showing Pangea is great, but couldn't this impact have happened much later?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p13yZAjhU0M

Quote from: The Matrix Traveller on April 17, 2012, 06:47:52 AM
Re Noah's Flood ,

The Main source of water, was from the Fountains of the deep, according to the wrings.

The rain was a secondary phenomena lasting 40 days and nights, but the former involving
the "Fountains" of the deep, lasted perhaps (guessing) about 8 Hours.

I mentioned the verses referring to the Fountains in my first post in this forum.

This involves water coming up through the "Trenches" (where the tectonic plates collide and interact)
from under the Earths Crust, Involving the Earths "Thermal Cycle".

A somewhat Catastrophic event for the human Primate, and other animals.

The pressure was so great behind the water, water was shot thousands of feet into the atmosphere
and came down as Rain over the following 40 days and nights.

It Rained for the First time as a mist used to come up from the Earth, then condense into water
forming rivers and lakes, in the times before "Noah's flood" during the previous stage
of the Earths "Thermal Cycle", (the Cold Cycle) according to the writings.

Another interesting thing was, Color was seen for the first time also noted in the wrings..

Re. The "Rainbow" appeared for the first time, which was recorded as a covenant
between God & Man.

I can also explain the workings behind this as well.

that is so interesting.  but "the deep" is the abzu/abyss/bottomless pit.  well the deep is a wormhole.  so i'm gonna add my "nope" to captain dave's "nope," and now we have 3 different theories. 

yours is
1. thermal cycles, earth cracks open, water rushes in, then earth closes, water is injected into the atmosphere in the form of hot steam.

captain dave's is
2.  asteroid impact, water is splashed into the atmosphere

mine is
3. the abzu gates on the ocean floors (7 in number) of this planet and on mars, opened up and pumped the contents of mars oceans, into our oceans.  i admit, mine sounds the goofiest, but the deep is the abzu/abyss/bottomless pit.  and the abzu is where enki rose up from in his roaring, shining, sparkling, flying, floating, gold and silver blue gemmed, tangled thread beyond understanding, temple city.  and he landed in sumer.

the bottomless pit also is alluded to as ejecting fire and smoke into the atmosphere, which is released when the abzu gate is opened.  but look at the description of what else comes out of it.  i don't think it's fire and smoke, i think it's glowing and steam. that doesn't sound like the contents of the ocean floor's thermal ridges.   (see revelation 9)

the word "fountain" there comes from the word "Eye"
it's the "Eye of the Deep"
i'm telling ya, that ain't a crack in the floor. it's a wormhole gate.  or rather, a series of wormhole gates.  a bunch of abzus.  another way to say it is:

eye of the abyss which is the 
eye of ra.

well, just read the legend of the destruction of mankind.

ra's eye was the most powerful eye on the planet, so apparently, it is/was the biggest gate on earth. 

i think ra is ea (enki) because the description they give for his physical appearance in that story, is the same as the one given for enki's e.abzu temple. skin like gold, enki's temple was covered in gold, bones like silver, enki's temple was constructed of silver covered in gold.  hair like lapis lazuli, enki's temple was decorated with lapis lazuli.  that to me says, in big flashing letters that ra and ea are one in the same. or better yet, enki's abzu was deified in the figure of ra.

hey check this out. see the red disk ?
that's mars.....theoreticaly, of course. :D
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e7/Maler_der_Grabkammer_der_Nefertari_001.jpg

Well, they probably all happened then... the Earth is a pretty old girl and looks like she's been through quite a few scrapes. When on Earth is anything ever simple?! lol

The writings are based on who's perspective? I mean people in different places would have seen different things happening in their local area.

watch this and keep an "Eye" on Jack's "eye."
they are so toying with us
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfOana0gTzY

Quote from: Captain Dave on April 17, 2012, 07:38:37 AM
Well, they probably all happened then... the Earth is a pretty old girl and looks like she's been through quite a few scrapes. When on Earth is anything ever simple?! lol

The writings are based on who's perspective? I mean people in different places would have seen different things happening in their local area.

which writings?  the legend of the destruction of mankind is, i think, the egyptian version of noah's flood. with egyptian cultural twists and egyptian names for everything.

for example, hathor and sekhmet are two parts of ra's eye.  makes no sense unless you realize hathor is a gate name and so is sekhmet.  hathor gate was on mars and sekhmet was on earth.  so ra's eye is a huge gate, with two parts, one on earth and one on mars. theoretically, anyway.  i just think z is right about that.

the bottomless pit and fountains of the deep references are in old and new testaments of the bible. they have correlations in egyptian mythos as well.   i'm almost positive (not quite, but almost) that the lake of fire is not on fire nor a lake, but a gate that glows  and looks like water.    i've got an egyptian pic of it around here somewhere. 

Quote from: undo11 on April 17, 2012, 07:40:39 AM
watch this and keep an "Eye" on Jack's "eye."
they are so toying with us
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfOana0gTzY

Yeah that is pretty cool! Theres always more than one way to skin a cat though right? I mean yes, you can do ANYTHING with just yer brain. But, you can also build machines/devices to do the same thing.

Funny, it seems like there are two schools divided. I like them both. Do I want to use my noggin to change the TV channel or pick up the remote? The wife and I would be in constant battle without the remote!

Well, I guess unless we were both watching two different shows on the same TV... But that gets complicated...

Face of the Deep ?

Genesis Ch. 1 verse 2 ?

Can anyone explain this please...

QuoteIt Rained for the First time as a mist used to come up from the Earth, then condense into water
forming rivers and lakes, in the times before "Noah's flood" during the previous stage
of the Earths "Thermal Cycle", (the Cold Cycle) according to the writings.

Another interesting thing was, Color was seen for the first time also noted in the wrings..

Re. The "Rainbow" appeared for the first time, which was recorded as a covenant
between God & Man.

How does a meteor cause this ?

Quote from: Captain Dave on April 17, 2012, 07:50:39 AM
Yeah that is pretty cool! Theres always more than one way to skin a cat though right? I mean yes, you can do ANYTHING with just yer brain. But, you can also build machines/devices to do the same thing.

Funny, it seems like there are two schools divided. I like them both. Do I want to use my noggin to change the TV channel or pick up the remote? The wife and I would be in constant battle without the remote!

the epic of gilgamesh claims the earth was flooded by a weapon. it was simply called the flood weapon.

"Like a battle force, the destructive flood weapon passed over the people. No man could see his fellow, nor could people be distinguished from the sky. Even the gods were afraid of the flood weapon. "

Quote from: The Matrix Traveller on April 17, 2012, 07:56:48 AM
Face of the Deep ?

Genesis Ch. 1 verse 2 ?

yep. the face of the deep is the super massive black hole that created this galaxy.  see:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=leZdJmUF4lM

that's the short version. the full version is on google video and is called supermassive black holes.  it's by the science channel.  they figured out the entire universe was created by super massive black holes.

Quote from: The Matrix Traveller on April 17, 2012, 08:01:11 AM
Can anyone explain this please...

How does a meteor cause this ?

Well, who wrote it? I mean no disrespect to the author, but one persons view of the world does not all things make.

I know many who have never seen the snow fall. If that persons writings were all that survived a catastrophe, then someone else might think that it had never snowed before their writings.

The amount of information a person had access to back then was limited and isn't quite the same as being plugged into the Internet for instance.

I believe some of the Hopi references to spirit kachinas are references to asteroids. So it's all in the description and the belief. Do you believe the Blue Kachina is a Spirit or just a rock? Perspective makes all the difference.

A flood could be viewed as a weapon of the Gods, especially if it is accompanied by thunderous sounds and tremendous wind.

Once again, a matter of perspective.

here's the full length

see this (if you haven't already)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3834632996973653146

Quote from: Captain Dave on April 17, 2012, 08:15:22 AM
Well, who wrote it? I mean no disrespect to the author, but one persons view of the world does not all things make.

I know many who have never seen the snow fall. If that persons writings were all that survived a catastrophe, then someone else might think that it had never snowed before their writings.

The amount of information a person had access to back then was limited and isn't quite the same as being plugged into the Internet for instance.

I believe some of the Hopi references to spirit kachinas are references to asteroids. So it's all in the description and the belief. Do you believe the Blue Kachina is a Spirit or just a rock? Perspective makes all the difference.

A flood could be viewed as a weapon of the Gods, especially if it is accompanied by thunderous sounds and tremendous wind.

Once again, a matter of perspective.

it's only viewed that way now because we assume the ancient people were stupid lol 

i don't think so. :D

this guy talks about a reference in the book of enoch in which it's like so obvious enoch is seeing, first hand, a super massive black hole.  just listen to when he starts quoting the passages in enoch.  it's flippy as heck. 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UukVS-tcqa8

Quote from: Captain Dave on April 17, 2012, 08:15:22 AM
Well, who wrote it? I mean no disrespect to the author, but one persons view of the world does not all things make.

I know many who have never seen the snow fall. If that persons writings were all that survived a catastrophe, then someone else might think that it had never snowed before their writings.

The amount of information a person had access to back then was limited and isn't quite the same as being plugged into the Internet for instance.

I believe some of the Hopi references to spirit kachinas are references to asteroids. So it's all in the description and the belief. Do you believe the Blue Kachina is a Spirit or just a rock? Perspective makes all the difference.

A flood could be viewed as a weapon of the Gods, especially if it is accompanied by thunderous sounds and tremendous wind.

Once again, a matter of perspective.

Makes sense to me, but was this the case ?

Just asking...  ;D

Quote from: undo11 on April 17, 2012, 08:26:58 AM
here's the full length

see this (if you haven't already)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3834632996973653146

Yeah, and each one of those galaxies is just a speck of dust! lol

Undo11

Quoteit's only viewed that way now because we assume the ancient people were stupid lol

i don't think so. :D

Bingo

You are onto it...  ;D

I agree with you 100 % !

E' NOCH The 7th from A' DAM Not Enoch Cains son. was reported to write;

The Book of E' NOCH I-XXXVI Ch. 1 verses 05 to 07  Quote;

Quote05. And all shall be smitten with fear,

And the watchers shall quake,

And great fear and trembling shall seize them unto the ends of the Earth.

06. And the high mountains shall be shaken,
And the high hills shall be made low,

And shall melt like wax before the flame,

07. And the Earth shall wholly rent in sunder,

And all that is upon the Earth shall perish,

Hmmmmm... "Rent in Sunder" ?

No, no no, I didn't say the ancient people were stupid. Here's what I mean though... I can pick five people from my neighborhood right now.

One is 60 and worked as a fridge repairman

One is 23 and in medical school

One is 42 and works at a bait camp

One is 2 and is still in diapers

One is 74 and a wood worker

If a cataclyism were to happen right now and only they survived what would happen? What would they write? What would they base their writings on? None of them are dumb.

So it's all about Who survived and Who is doing the writing.

The experience they have in life is whats being brought to the table in their writing.

Oh and then let what they write simmer for thousand of years, let it be translated to other languages, let the Churches get ahold of it...

enoch's saying, basically, that there are
2 columns that extended up and down from his position, to such height and depth that he cant see where they end and that they have heavenly fire on them. and are positioned above and below a deep pit that's just floating in space, and around which 7 stars are rotating, caught in the "prison" house of the stars. 

have you ever seen a diagram of the ergosphere of a black hole?  looks just like a giant eye.

Quote from: The Matrix Traveller on April 17, 2012, 08:49:49 AM
E' NOCH The 7th from A' DAM Not Enoch Cains son. was reported to write;

The Book of E' NOCH I-XXXVI Ch. 1 verses 05 to 07  Quote;

Hmmmmm... "Rent in Sunder" ?

boy i'd sure like to see that in the original language with a translation concordance!
that sounds like a huge ......well it sounds like an immense something comes down on the earth somewhere by mount sinai .  have any idea what the heaven of heavens is?  another interesting phrase

Captain dave,
With respect.
You are repeating....that which You have been indoctrinated with.
You are assigning all consequences to that indoctrination.
Can You try to explain what creates the wind?
Instead of repeating that great winds did this or that.

Unless the basics are comprehended, then the consequences are easily misunderstood.
Beans is not the answer.
hobbit

Quote from: undo11 on April 17, 2012, 08:52:47 AM
enoch's saying, basically, that there are
2 columns that extended up and down from his position, to such height and depth that he cant see where they end and that they have heavenly fire on them. and are positioned above and below a deep pit that's just floating in space, and around which 7 stars are rotating, caught in the "prison" house of the stars. 

have you ever seen a diagram of the ergosphere of a black hole?  looks just like a giant eye.

So, then he witnessed something way out of the ordinary! Quite possibly even something not created by those from Earth.

QuoteIf a cataclyism were to happen right now and only they survived what would happen? What would they write? What would they base their writings on? None of them are dumb.

Makes sense to me....

but haven't you have overlooked "The Living One" experiencing each person.?
i.e. the Partitions of The LIFE looking out of the eyes.

and only considered the Flesh?

This is why when you get to my old age, you feel the same as you did as a child,

Only the head has become full of B.S. what we (including me especially) believe or don't believe.

This is the Nonsense we oldies have become. But the LIFE in us is The "Opposite to the Flesh".

Quote from: hobbit on April 17, 2012, 09:08:11 AM
Captain dave,
With respect.
You are repeating....that which You have been indoctrinated with.
You are assigning all consequences to that indoctrination.
Can You try to explain what creates the wind?
Instead of repeating that great winds did this or that.

Unless the basics are comprehended, then the consequences are easily misunderstood.
Beans is not the answer.
hobbit

Haha... Whell then.
What I'm saying is that it's all a matter of perspective and of who's perspective.

The one who has realized all, or the child still learning.

I really enjoy both perspectives. (and a few inbetween)

Is thought real? I suppose as real as anything else.

But I still use a hammer to drive a nail.  ;D

Ahhh, I love you guys.

Captain Dave.
All things occuring relative to the planet, are within the memory field of the planet.
All things occuring to You are within Your memory field.
Concentrate upon the wind, sil vous plait.
This song is wrong.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_OsXcCMTT7Q

Every atom of atmosphere is re-locating in time...the time within the planets memory field.
The planet is within the suns memory field.
The sun is in a larger such...add infirnitum.
You are within the planets memory field.

The wind is not blowin.
The water is not flowing.
The tides are WHAT??
hobbit

Quote from: hobbit on April 17, 2012, 09:32:55 AM
Captain Dave.
All things occuring relative to the planet, are within the memory field of the planet.
All things occuring to You are within Your memory field.
Concentrate upon the wind, sil vous plait.
This song is wrong.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_OsXcCMTT7Q

Every atom of atmosphere is re-locating in time...the time within the planets memory field.
The planet is within the suns memory field.
The sun is in a larger such...add infirnitum.
You are within the planets memory field.

The wind is not blowin.
The water is not flowing.
The tides are WHAT??
hobbit

Sounds like you're walking around inbetween everything.

QuoteBut I still use a hammer to drive a nail.  ;D

But where did All this come from, if it did come, and more to the Point WHY ?

Some do know...  perhaps a hobbit is one of them?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLUzJeto0Wo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0cVdPHOIxw

he doesn't mention in the second video, that the ergosphere of the wormhole contains a particle exchange system. 

Since the ergosphere is outside the event horizon, it is still possible for objects to escape from the gravitational pull of the black hole. An object can gain energy by entering the black hole's rotation and then escaping from it, thus taking some of the black hole's energy with it. This process of removing energy from a rotating black hole was proposed by the mathematician Roger Penrose in 1969, and is called the Penrose process.[3]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ergosphere

Quote from: Captain Dave on April 17, 2012, 09:09:38 AM
So, then he witnessed something way out of the ordinary! Quite possibly even something not created by those from Earth.

he saw a super massive black hole with radiation jets (his massive pillars with heavenly fire on them).  what's more, it was a super massive black hole in an active galaxy.  this galaxy, where we are now, has not been active for a very long time.  so he was either in the past, witnessing the birth of this galaxy (which seems unlikely since it says there were already 7 stars caught in its gravity well), or he was in an active galaxy elsewhere in this or some other universe.  either way, the dude, back in like 4000 BC or thereabouts, witnessed a super massive black hole in an active galaxy. 

the way the text is written,it sounds as if he didn't just witness it, but travelled thru it or travelled thru something nearby that emptied into the same vicinity, because there are two accounts during this event both which contain slightly different information about the same experience he is having.

this is the one that just floors me . the clues are all over the place. 
he has a "vision" (i'm beginning to think that's code lingo for a witnessing the functions of a gated wormhole large enough to physically see without scientific devices, thru which beings emerge). the camera swings in and focuses on one of his eyes.  and he "sees" what sounds like a wormhole forming above him in the sky.  then the text says, the "heavens opened" lol  and out of the "opening" came these metal-like flying things.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ET7WXK4D_g

Quote from: The Matrix Traveller on April 17, 2012, 09:45:44 AM
But where did All this come from, if it did come, and more to the Point WHY ?

Some do know...  perhaps a hobbit is one of them?

Quite possible, anything is...

I once asked God while in a dream, for a riddle that even he couldn't solve.

I had the dream when I was like 12, so it's been awhile, but here's the basic answer I got...

If I God, chose for all things that I have created to no longer exist, including myself, what would there be?



( I didn't use quotation marks, because I can't remember the exact words... )

The dream was pretty cool though... Big giant huge stone stairs, leading up to a throne ( I mean the stairs were so big I couldn't climb them ) God in Masculine Muscular form sitting on the throne, but his face was like the sun with beams of light concealing the form of his face... Voice that was powerful, yet still kind...

All around pretty cool dream, kind of had a Michael Angelo like appearance. God spoke to me in quite a few dreams, taking different forms, showing me glimpses of my future etc...


PS.
Hobbit, I disagree, Beans are often the answer. (Especially with maple bacon.) Within beans are complex secrets to life, and many gaseous anomolies. For all we know, the whole Universe could be modeled after and growing just like a bean. But I could be wrong. -and now I'm hungry.

next part:

i've noticed that they frequently included animorphs, combined with metals, coming out of these wormholes.   bronze, gold, brazen, iron, etc.  for example, in the video above, he had the face of a man, a bull, an eagle?, a lion. 

in the opening of the bottomless pit chapter in revelation 9, they have hair like a woman, teeth like a lion, tail like a scorpion, face like a man.

theorizing here but maybe those are the addresses for the gates. using specific parts of the constellations.  hair like a woman would be a star in virgo's hair, teeth like a lion, a star in leo's mouth, tail like scorpion, a star or stars in scorpio's tail, and face like a man, i'm not sure about.

What is a BLACK HOLE???????
Who invented such garbage????
hobbit

Quote from: hobbit on April 17, 2012, 07:32:19 PM
What is a BLACK HOLE???????
Who invented such garbage????
hobbit

Pretty sure God did it...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yH_8LzQ3mSk

Quote from: Captain Dave on April 17, 2012, 07:38:06 PM
Pretty sure God did it...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yH_8LzQ3mSk

Black holes and god are invented .
That was a whirlpool.
hobbit

Quote from: hobbit on April 17, 2012, 07:47:02 PM
Black holes and god are invented .
That was a whirlpool.
hobbit

how do explain enoch witnessing what appears to be the description of a super massive black hole, 6000 years ago?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GT-HTJ0HB1I


^that's what he described.

Quote from: hobbit on April 17, 2012, 07:32:19 PM
What is a BLACK HOLE???????
Who invented such garbage????
hobbit

Ive never seen a black hole, have you?
How do we know they are holes, anyhow?
Maybe they are just places in space where light doesnt occur.
Hmmmm
LE

Quote from: hobbit on April 17, 2012, 07:47:02 PM
Black holes and god are invented .
That was a whirlpool.
hobbit

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/invent (http://www.thefreedictionary.com/invent)
The FreeDictionary.com defines Invent as:

Quotein·vent (n-vnt)
tr.v. in·vent·ed, in·vent·ing, in·vents
1. To produce or contrive (something previously unknown) by the use of ingenuity or imagination.
2. To make up; fabricate: invent a likely excuse.

So I agree to some extent... It's all "imagination".

Yep, that was a Whirlpool. (Cousin to the Black Hole)

My guess is that God created Whirlpools to help us better understand Black holes. Kind of like a grade school lesson for curious beings? I also think Whirlpools, (at least in part), are caused by Black holes... sort of an off-shoot or result of.

Though in a different sense, I believe Black holes are just a more "amplified" Whirlpool.

Quote from: Littleenki on April 17, 2012, 08:31:51 PM
Ive never seen a black hole, have you?
How do we know they are holes, anyhow?
Maybe they are just places in space where light doesnt occur.
Hmmmm
LE

physics. :D
here's an example:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXaDO-U_2yA

those are the stars circling the super massive black hole at the center of the milky way galaxy.  every galaxy has its own super massive black hole. did you watch the google video i posted, of how they figured this out?
it's here and it's worth it
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3834632996973653146

Quote from: Captain Dave on April 17, 2012, 08:32:06 PM

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/invent (http://www.thefreedictionary.com/invent)
The FreeDictionary.com defines Invent as:
So I agree to some extent... It's all "imagination".

Yep, that was a Whirlpool. (Cousin to the Black Hole)

My guess is that God created Whirlpools to help us better understand Black holes. Kind of like a grade school lesson for curious beings? I also think Whirlpools, (at least in part), are caused by Black holes... sort of an off-shoot or result of.

Nobody has ever seen or has any idea about something that is an imaginary invention.
I am not about to start debating about such, as many people are believers.
They believe what they have been indoctrinated with.
They believe the bible fact like.


If there were a flood, either the land mass re-locates lower that the normal water level or the water level re-locates above the land mass.

If the land mass re-locates towards the centre of the planet, then the fluid water about and around the lowered land mass will flood such an area.

I would suspect local land mass re-location rather than a global raise in water levels.
hobbit

Quote from: hobbit on April 17, 2012, 08:46:52 PM
Nobody has ever seen or has any idea about something that is an imaginary invention.
I am not about to start debating about such, as many people are believers.
They believe what they have been indoctrinated with.
They believe the bible fact like.


If there were a flood, either the land mass re-locates lower that the normal water level or the water level re-locates above the land mass.

If the land mass re-locates towards the centre of the planet, then the fluid water about and around the lowered land mass will flood such an area.

I would suspect local land mass re-location rather than a global raise in water levels.
hobbit

the problem here is, you have been indoctrinated in the exact opposite pole. there's actually a happy middle, where we take the ancient texts (not just the bible) and consider they might have valuable information in them to some degree or another, and not just for determining how the ancient people lived, but if anything else was happening at the time, that today, we can explain with science.  ever tried it?

Quote from: undo11 on April 17, 2012, 08:41:51 PM
physics. :D
here's an example:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXaDO-U_2yA

those are the stars circling the super massive black hole at the center of the milky way galaxy.  every galaxy has its own super massive black hole. did you watch the google video i posted, of how they figured this out?
it's here and it's worth it
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3834632996973653146

With respect,
You are listening to fiction...assumption presented in a fact like manner.
You may as well post links to daffy duck.
IMHO, there is NO FORCE prently called GRAVITY.
They don't have a clue...period.
hobbit

Quote from: undo11 on April 17, 2012, 08:51:35 PM
the problem here is, you have been indoctrinated in the exact opposite pole. there's actually a happy middle, where we take the ancient texts (not just the bible) and consider they might have valuable information in them to some degree or another, and not just for determining how the ancient people lived, but if anything else was happening at the time, that today, we can explain with science.  ever tried it?

"WE can explain with science"
Thanks for the humour.
Present science is the latest religion.
It is a belief system with it's rules(laws)
Thankfully hobbits avoided any such programming.
I observe nature, and evaluate what I detect using more senses than the average bear( yogi bear talk)

You are buying into this religion( control )
They have invented a huge vocabulary of fictional terms, and present them in a fact like manner until these descriptive fictions are accepted as facts.

Dyslexia has been My saviour.

hobbit 

Quote from: hobbit on April 17, 2012, 09:03:54 PM
"WE can explain with science"
Thanks for the humour.
Present science is the latest religion.
It is a belief system with it's rules(laws)
Thankfully hobbits avoided any such programming.
I observe nature, and evaluate what I detect using more senses than the average bear( yogi bear talk)

You are buying into this religion( control )
They have invented a huge vocabulary of fictional terms, and present them in a fact like manner until these descriptive fictions are accepted as facts.

Dyslexia has been My saviour.

hobbit

I hope someday to speak scientist, as I certainly dont know the math part....
No gravity in a black hole either, just differing levels of implosion versus emittance, the rules of the universe. And why cant light occur in a black hole? Because everything is reduced to a spaghetti string, and waves and fields cant get their poop together in there, so they wait to be released as energy, when the black hole begins expelling matter again. If it ever does.....
And as a dyslexic, let me offer this word of advice for you Hobbit
eloh kcalb a otni llaf tnod, suoregnad er'yeht luferac eb.
Cheers!
Littleenki

Quote from: hobbit on April 17, 2012, 08:46:52 PM
Nobody has ever seen or has any idea about something that is an imaginary invention.
I am not about to start debating about such, as many people are believers.
They believe what they have been indoctrinated with.
They believe the bible fact like.


If there were a flood, either the land mass re-locates lower that the normal water level or the water level re-locates above the land mass.

If the land mass re-locates towards the centre of the planet, then the fluid water about and around the lowered land mass will flood such an area.

I would suspect local land mass re-location rather than a global raise in water levels.
hobbit

Sure, but If I took say 1/3 of Earths water and froze it into two big Ice Cubes. Then placed both of them on land masses in an area that was nice and cool. While they remain frozen, the sea level wouldn't rise, but if I melt them, then it would right?.

Over time the Earth would also act as a type of sponge as well, absorbing water into the soil etc and expanding as the water was reintroduced in non frozen form. Much of it also evaporating and entering the upper atmosphere to fall periodically in the form of rain.

Now if I displace water in the Ocean by throwing in a big chunk of rock, the sea level would temporarily go up directly proportionate to the size of the rock. Just like throwing a pebble into a still pond, waves would go out in all directions.

However, if I threw the rock in at an angle, larger waves would be created, flowing in the direction of greater force applied. These waves of greater force eventually impact specific area's and flow over the land. The immediate displacement of water caused by the object being dropped into the Ocean however would go out in all directions causing temporary flooding just about everywhere. Well, much of it would depend on the size of the chunk of rock and the speed at which it was thrown.

Quote from: Captain Dave on April 17, 2012, 09:29:51 PM
Sure, but If I took say 1/3 of Earths water and froze it into two big Ice Cubes. Then placed both of them on land masses in an area that was nice and cool. While they remain frozen, the sea level wouldn't rise, but if I melt them, then it would right?.

Over time the Earth would also act as a type of sponge as well, absorbing water into the soil etc and expanding as the water was reintroduced in non frozen form. Much of it also evaporating and entering the upper atmosphere to fall periodically in the form of rain.

Now if I displace water in the Ocean by throwing in a big chunk of rock, the sea level would temporarily go up directly proportionate to the size of the rock. Just like throwing a pebble into a still pond, waves would go out in all directions.

However, if I threw the rock in at an angle, larger waves would be created, flowing in the direction of greater force applied. These waves of greater force eventually impact specific area's and flow over the land. The immediate displacement of water caused by the object being dropped into the Ocean however would go out in all directions causing temporary flooding just about everywhere. Well, much of it would depend on the size of the chunk of rock and the speed at which it was thrown.

You disply typical materialistic thinking.
To You a rock is a rock.
To me it's a local compression of memory.
hobbit, entering a black hole, bye.

Quote from: hobbit on April 17, 2012, 08:55:28 PM
With respect,
You are listening to fiction...assumption presented in a fact like manner.
You may as well post links to daffy duck.
IMHO, there is NO FORCE prently called GRAVITY.
They don't have a clue...period.
hobbit

I could post links to people who know what you explain in a much better fashion that are not on this message board...  and who also learnt from someone who has been studied by the US Navy. Try to be nice  :P

wait, are we talking about the holographic universe?

Quote from: Somamech on April 17, 2012, 09:45:01 PM
I could post links to people who know what you explain in a much better fashion that are not on this message board...  and who also learnt from someone who has been studied by the US Navy. Try to be nice  :P

I assure that I am been "NICE"
I fully realise though how I will grate upon the programming most people have been so expertly subjected to.
So I know when to exit stage left.
I do not have any wordsmith skills, so explaining isn't My path.
hobbit

Quote from: Captain Dave on April 17, 2012, 09:12:55 AM

The one who has realized all, or the child still learning.

Funny thing everytime I think I have come to a place
where I have learned so much, I realize just how much
I have to learn.  :D

Quote from: hobbit on April 17, 2012, 10:18:37 PM
I assure that I am been "NICE"
I fully realise though how I will grate upon the programming most people have been so expertly subjected to.
So I know when to exit stage left.
I do not have any wordsmith skills, so explaining isn't My path.
hobbit

I understand you, Hobbit, I always have! There is no way to adequately thank you for your direction, but i will spend my life trying.
If everyone could see what you see, the world would be a much different place!
Not everyone gets your style, so they will take it as grating, but it really is another way to teach a difficult to understand subject, gravity or not, so some will not see what you are saying right away, and take it as grumpiness or discourse, yet I know it's your passion for these subjects that fuels your fiestiness.
Hobbits are different, and they need to be approached as so, as not to miss any clues he might drop in your path. As an enlightened Hobbit in training, i have had to learn the ways of a Hobbit, and I must say, to learn from a Hobbit is a rewarding and worthwhile experience.
ill always remember the first post, at another forum, and I thought WTF?
Then as I sat there later, I thought, wow, he was right, and I got it.
Hobbit is a teacher of a different kind, and one who takes his field seriously, if not in a roundabout way, and thats a Hobbit thing, too, making a hole big enough to run through, but not big enough for a human.
Wordsmithery isnt necessary, they will get it someday, Hobbit!

Your amigo, Littleenki

mmkay, no answer on the "are we talking about holographic universe?"
it's not going to dawn on me, so might as well explain it. 
i'll just wander off thinking -- i wonder if i forgot to take the dishes out of the dishwasher.

blonde, i'm blonde. 

must.explain.to.me.or.i.will.not.get.it

Quote from: undo11 on April 18, 2012, 06:18:13 AM
mmkay, no answer on the "are we talking about holographic universe?"
it's not going to dawn on me, so might as well explain it. 
i'll just wander off thinking -- i wonder if i forgot to take the dishes out of the dishwasher.

blonde, i'm blonde. 

must.explain.to.me.or.i.will.not.get.it

I have gray hair, wanna trade? LOL and the dishes are still in the dishwasher, i always forget to take them out!
I think Matrix ought to chime in here, as a holographic universe seems right up his alley!
We really have no idea what is real and what is a holograph, so how would one find out if it is?
Buy a rocket, and see if you can get into space, or bounce off of the Haarp force field, your choice!
A holographic universe would explain a lot, and would also open a whole new can of worms.

It.is.a.universe.made.up.of.holograms....hey that was hard to type!;))))gettin late, must stop typing...
LE

Hi Littleenki
To understand the "Holographic Universe" it can not be understood in a 5 minute crash course,
from the net.

I myself have had a Co. Designing & Manufacturing Automotive Computers for some years,
and in March1995 I gave this away, to study the field I am currently now in.

I have now spent  about 17 years full time with R&D involving Interactive "Video Interfaces"
with the Mind.

This was the result of experiences, which stated in1960's involving what some refer to as UFO Phenomena.
By the 1970's I was involved with local activities, which I am unable to say much abut at this stage.
In the 1980's I became more involved but independently.
And in the 1990's became personally involved with others Not from Earth as well as in the 2000's.
This has carried on up until today.

During the Last 17 years I have Compiled more than 50,000 detailed, Geometric Drawings
explaining the Technical side, Involving the Holographic Universe and the Mind.

So far In my forums, I have only scratched the surface, regarding a very simple "Introduction"
to this field of work.

I will soon be revealing, an in depth forum, explaining the discoveries made to date,
explaining the practical uses of these Technologies.

I will be showing in detail, how to build many different projects involving different technologies
of the Mind i.e.  "Awareness" or LIFE.

These technologies are intended to be used in practical applications, involving "Manufacturing",
"Transport", "Building", "Medical Science", "Communications", "Education", "Entertainment",
as well as many others.

Still staying with water, but adding some resonance.
Perhaps Paul should see these orbs littleenki?
http://www.humanresonance.org/water.html

This is supposed to be the dawning of the age of Aquarious, shown with a water picher, but what can the water hold?
http://www.greatdreams.com/aquarius.htm
hobbit

never been ignored by a hobbit before.  new experience. not sure i like it but i suppose i could get use to it. :D

Excellent post, matrix, and a bit of your life in a very complicated nutshell!
The experiences youve had in the last 17 years are incredible, and very believable, too.
The things youve seen have formed the new you, and your efforts to HELP mankind are very noble. Holding or hiding this information away would be a crime, and your willingness to share is an indicator of your ability to cope with bizarre realities. Most would cower in a corner after going through what you have, yet you plug along every minute of every day to bring us the truth.

Your experiences are as wild as a movie, and soon when we all feel the reality of what youve seen in person, we will understand like you do, the REAL nature of nature.

As you said, some things cant be discussed, but when the lesson plan is complete and we are actively programming our minds for the next phase of life, we will all see what you saw, in a crystal clear manner.

And, as for the UFO experience, well, at least you are aware of something happening, as most are wiped afterwards of any pertinent info regarding the sighting. To recall any part of a visit with EBE's is priceless, and a talent to be respected. I have always thought that a sighting might be a hologram or thought imprint, and what really scares me is "who is imprinting me?"

My own sighting was so real, I could see the glimmer of the craft and feel the wind as it went by hundreds of feet away from me. It felt as if I was seeing something Id seen before, as if it were programmed into me to see it at a certain time, and when the trigger came around, there was my UFO. Does that make sense?
Deja Vu if I may....

Ive never seen or encountered any aliens or EBE entities, yet I have a very unique idea of how their minds work, and the EBE mind is a powerfully improved version of our own I believe, sort of a human 2.0 and we are the prototype.

I, too, believe the EBE's use their minds as built in controllers for whatever tech they are working with at the time, and the way they use their minds results in a craft with few moving parts, and a very easily constructed power system. If there are even any control panels in an alien craft I would be surprised, as their senses are so much more available to them for use, and switches and buttons arent necessary to fly any craft, when you have the mind as a steering wheel!

Looking forward to the next phase,
Littleenki

i probably shouldn't jump in here only seeing tha last few posts..8 pages..geeeeeeesh.ok i will read later
but being an aquarius - this symbol has always tickled me
  the water pouring out is
suppposed to represent info to any who want it

it has always made me laugh that the figure is holding the urn and pouring out that
knowledge to others ..did the figure gather the info or was it just his job to
distribute the info
lol..sorry to butt in..but this has always made me laugh when thinking of symbols
of any kind
leaving now..
:D

Quote from: sky otter on April 18, 2012, 02:32:14 PM
i probably shouldn't jump in here only seeing tha last few posts..8 pages..geeeeeeesh.ok i will read later
but being an aquarius - this symbol has always tickled me
  the water pouring out is
suppposed to represent info to any who want it

it has always made me laugh that the figure is holding the urn and pouring out that
knowledge to others ..did the figure gather the info or was it just his job to
distribute the info
lol..sorry to butt in..but this has always made me laugh when thinking of symbols
of any kind
leaving now..
:D

Yeehaw! you go Sky!
The urn or vessel is symbolic of life energy, and knowledge, and the pouring of it means you are a teacher, or healer. Heres a cool site for those who are unfamiliar with the sign of Aquarius  http://www.astrology-online.com/aquarius.htm
And, as Littleenki, I must point out how important water is to me, and my namesake was the penultimate carrier of water.
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sumer_anunnaki/esp_sumer_annunaki19.htm

Only one paragraph? am I on the right thread?
LOL!!!!

Quote from: hobbit on April 18, 2012, 09:08:18 AM
Still staying with water, but adding some resonance.
Perhaps Paul should see these orbs littleenki?
http://www.humanresonance.org/water.html

This is supposed to be the dawning of the age of Aquarious, shown with a water picher, but what can the water hold?
http://www.greatdreams.com/aquarius.htm
hobbit

So funny you mention Paul, and his orbs, Hobbit, as he has been posting a few new videos on MP.
And whats even funnier is the thread I started over there about La Mana, and the wolfpack of the Megalithic Portal's skeptics and pseudoscientists has attacked.
Bat400 was the most adverse to believing the finds there are not a hoax, and weve had a rather spirited discussion about it over the last few days.

In my friendly way,we once again agreed to disagree, and the thread is awaiting a Hobbit's touch.
Water is the one indicator that reacts with all four forces in science, and no other element or molecular structure does so with such aplomb.

And, as you know, I am a fish, and cant go a day without my TT Brown time in the pool or spring.

Someday we will swim together, Hobbit, and when that day comes, I will consider it the crux of my learning...to meet one of my mentors, and swim with my number one hero all at the same time!  Can we as Hobbits swim? Heck yeah!... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hobbit

Water is the test meter for all forces, as it reacts to all of them in a different way.

Watch the water is the best advice for a newbie, as it was the crowning point in my transference of learning from human to Hobbit. The day you posted "watch the water" was the day it began to come together for me.

Heres me receiving a gift from the sea, as Hobbits do, and dinner for ten people was the result!
Water holds all the keys, doesnt it, Hobbit?

Littleenki

Quote from: undo11 on April 18, 2012, 11:08:18 AM
never been ignored by a hobbit before.  new experience. not sure i like it but i suppose i could get use to it. :D

I,m not ignoring thee, I like thee.

Thar may have to t'understand Yorkshire.
Here's a utub link t'explain t'all.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u89rOI8z8Oc&feature=related
Floods in thar allsu.
Thar sees I don't talk t'english.
I talk Yorks pudding.
Gods county, where men are men, and women.............smile.

hobbit

Quote from: hobbit on April 18, 2012, 05:36:13 PM
I,m not ignoring thee, I like thee.

Thar may have to t'understand Yorkshire.
Here's a utub link t'explain t'all.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u89rOI8z8Oc&feature=related
Floods in thar allsu.
Thar sees I don't talk t'english.
I talk Yorks pudding.
Gods county, where men are men, and women.............smile.

hobbit

Yep, I understood every word.... :o what an amazing story,that Bible, Ive never heard it before.... 8)
Back to me drinkins, it's pikelets and pop today fer me, and heres a link fer ye yorkshire puddins who arent learned of the yorkshire dialect.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/northyorkshire/voices2005/glossary/glossary.shtml
Not a tyke yet, but there's time still!
LE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qk8Q9Kmkm3M

Undo11,
have You got it in for me?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvs4bOMv5Xw

Before a flood of complaints pours down upon us , perhaps We should return to the threads OP?
I hate to be boring, but.....why do the clouds form in the sky?
Why does the rain fall?

What is the method that enables this?
What alteration could occur to create either a sudden rise in water levels or lowering of land mass?


Unless You know how this system operates , You will never be able to determine if such an occurance happened.
You will never have so called free energy because You will remain blind to the supply force that enables all so called energy to exist.

hobbit

Forbidden archeology ?Noah's Ark Found hidden conspiracy.flv
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QvsG3E7WAn0

Quote from: hobbit on April 18, 2012, 10:29:54 PM
Undo11,
have You got it in for me?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvs4bOMv5Xw

Before a flood of complaints pours down upon us , perhaps We should return to the threads OP?
I hate to be boring, but.....why do the clouds form in the sky?
Why does the rain fall?

What is the method that enables this?
What alteration could occur to create either a sudden rise in water levels or lowering of land mass?


Unless You know how this system operates , You will never be able to determine if such an occurance happened.
You will never have so called free energy because You will remain blind to the supply force that enables all so called energy to exist.

hobbit

nooo, i don't have it "in for you."
here, listen to gandalf!  what's he saying? (read the words of his song)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ti5OaadrS9I

what's the "door where it began?"

Quote from: Captain Dave on April 19, 2012, 12:40:59 AM
Forbidden archeology ?Noah's Ark Found hidden conspiracy.flv
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QvsG3E7WAn0

i saw that years ago.  many arguments for and against that.
what i thought was interesting was the location the ark supposedly came to rest, in the sumerian-akkadian version.  it wasn't ararat, but it was nearby ararat. i theorized that perhaps the whole mountain range was called by the name in the sumerian-akkadian version. whereas the biblical version was more precise. or vice-a-versa.  if it's vice-a-versa, they 've been looking in the wrong place for 2 thousand years. lol

you should ask zorg to chime in his two cents on this topic.  seems i recall him saying or suggesting that noah's ark wasn't a wooden ship at all. his version was more like a space flight capable zoo, that left one planet during that planet's flood catastrophe and came here.  i don't recall if he said he got that version from the tibetan monks or similar.

Quote from: Captain Dave on April 14, 2012, 08:52:53 AM
Large impact crater at the Top of South America...?
(http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/6743/topsamericaimpact1.jpg)


Large impact crater at the Southern Tip of South America...?
(http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/1395/tipsamericaimpact2.jpg)

Because the Earth rotates on it's axis in an Easterly direction, and both of these impacts show that the objects came in and hit, moving in an Easterly direction, it would account for an increase in Earth's rotational speed & therefore an increase in gravity?

So the asteroids sped up the Earth just like a top?


side note...
( Sooo, if we wanted to speed up or slow down the planet, we could create a fast moving object ( one skimming on the surface of the water or in the air ) and then direct it down to impact the planet surface. We would then be able to increase/decrease gravity? )

QuoteBecause the Earth rotates on it's axis in an Easterly direction, and both of these impacts show that the objects came in and hit moving in an Easterly direction, it would account for an increase in Earth's rotational speed & therefore an increase in gravity.

So the asteroids sped up the Earth just like a top.

Interesting theory; Can you please supply the math. Captain Dave.

Quote from: The Matrix Traveller on April 19, 2012, 04:08:41 AM
Interesting theory; Can you please supply the math. Captain Dave.

Haha, noooo... I'm no mathematician... Just a crude theory. Well, I might be able to, but I'm really more of an idea kinda guy, and to me math just isn't fun.   ;D

I suppose if it ever became so important that we Had to do it in order to save the planet... I'd find a calculator somewhere.

Quote from: Captain Dave on April 19, 2012, 04:31:16 AM
Haha, noooo... I'm no mathematician... Just a crude theory. Well, I might be able to, but I'm really more of an idea kinda guy, and to me math just isn't fun.   ;D

:D

i hear ya.  math is fun as long as it's easy.  when it starts getting pages long for one equation, that's when it's not so fun anymore.

Quote from: undo11 on April 19, 2012, 04:37:25 AM
:D

i hear ya.  math is fun as long as it's easy.  when it starts getting pages long for one equation, that's when it's not so fun anymore.

ouch, you guys are right, math is a bitch! But necessary, so best advice is to marry a mathematician! Or buy one of those nifty TI calculators!
LE

Quote from: undo11 on April 19, 2012, 04:37:25 AM
:D

i hear ya.  math is fun as long as it's easy.  when it starts getting pages long for one equation, that's when it's not so fun anymore.

Plus there would be sooooo many variables to take into consideration. I'd rather go fishing.

Though I suppose if it were done on another planet, we could match Earth's gravity. Would be nice if we had machines located near North and South poles... Put in a "rail" type track or tube in a circle with  weighted objects that you can slam the breaks on...

Would give some control over a gradual increase or decrease in the planets rotational speed, so wouldn't be such a violent major event. ( like an Asteroid impact!  :o )

Quote from: Captain Dave on April 14, 2012, 08:52:53 AM
Large impact crater at the Top of South America...?
(http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/6743/topsamericaimpact1.jpg)

Here it looks like you can see where the plate was fractured from the impact... - creating a fault line...
(http://files.abovetopsecret.com/files/img/qs4f8da697.gif)

Quote from: Captain Dave on April 19, 2012, 04:46:05 AM
Plus there would be sooooo many variables to take into consideration. I'd rather go fishing.

Though I suppose if it were done on another planet, we could match Earth's gravity. Would be nice if we had machines located near North and South poles... Put in a "rail" type track or tube in a circle with  weighted objects that you can slam the breaks on...

Would give some control over a gradual increase or decrease in the planets rotational speed, so wouldn't be such a violent major event. ( like an Asteroid impact!  :o )

hubby says we need ziplines everywhere.  ZEeeeeeeeeeeeeeeewhooshhhhhhhh....

Quote from: Captain Dave on April 19, 2012, 06:23:14 AM

Hi Captain Dave,

Nope... "Trenches" NOT caused by Impacts.

What you have shown is well known and part of "The Ring of Fire".

In the Lower part, is known as the "Middle America Trench" NOT a fault.
Faults exist around and associated with this trench. Part of "The Ring of Fire"
encircling the  "Pacific Ocean".

This is where the "Pacific Plate" interacts with "American Continental Shelf".

The upper region you have shown again is a Trench called the "Aleutian Trench",
also a part of "The Ring of Fire", where the "Pacific Plate" interacts with its adjacent
Plate also part of the "Continental  Shelf".

These are "Tectonic Components" of the Earth involving other Mechanics.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacific_Ring_of_Fire

http://vulcan.wr.usgs.gov/Glossary/PlateTectonics/Maps/map_plate_tectonics_world.html

http://www.kamchatkapeninsula.com/ringoffire.html

Regarding "Impact  Craters"; they cover much of  the Earths surface, according to geologists.

http://www.passc.net/EarthImpactDatabase/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_impact_craters_on_Earth

http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2009/08/impactcraters/all/1

ADDED....

Part of "The Japan Trench", also part of The Ring of Fire.

http://www.google.co.nz/imgres?imgurl=http://alterman47.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/japantrench1.jpg&imgrefurl=http://alterman47.wordpress.com/2011/03/12/a-point-of-elemental-water-at-the-japan-trench/&h=600&w=630&sz=41&tbnid=DtS65lRo8JgRwM:&tbnh=90&tbnw=95&prev=/search%3Fq%3DThe%2BJapan%2BTrench%26tbm%3Disch%26tbo%3Du&zoom=1&q=The+Japan+Trench&docid=2BtQtuv8S8YplM&sa=X&ei=_7OPT7nGNZGQiAeBkZjwAw&ved=0CEIQ9QEwBQ&dur=21

Quote from: The Matrix Traveller on April 19, 2012, 07:36:56 AM
Hi Captain Dave,

Nope... "Trenches" NOT caused by Impacts.

What you have shown is well known and part of "The Ring of Fire".

In the Lower part, is known as the "Middle America Trench" NOT a fault.
Faults exist around and associated with this trench. Part of "The Ring of Fire"
encircling the  "Pacific Ocean".

This is where the "Pacific Plate" interacts with "American Continental Shelf".

The upper region you have shown again is a Trench called the "Aleutian Trench",
also a part of "The Ring of Fire", where the "Pacific Plate" interacts with its adjacent
Plate also part of the "Continental  Shelf".

These are "Tectonic Components" of the Earth involving other Mechanics.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacific_Ring_of_Fire

http://vulcan.wr.usgs.gov/Glossary/PlateTectonics/Maps/map_plate_tectonics_world.html

http://www.kamchatkapeninsula.com/ringoffire.html

Regarding "Impact  Craters"; they cover much of  the Earths surface, according to geologists.

http://www.passc.net/EarthImpactDatabase/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_impact_craters_on_Earth

http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2009/08/impactcraters/all/1

ADDED....

Part of "The Japan Trench", also part of The Ring of Fire.

http://www.google.co.nz/imgres?imgurl=http://alterman47.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/japantrench1.jpg&imgrefurl=http://alterman47.wordpress.com/2011/03/12/a-point-of-elemental-water-at-the-japan-trench/&h=600&w=630&sz=41&tbnid=DtS65lRo8JgRwM:&tbnh=90&tbnw=95&prev=/search%3Fq%3DThe%2BJapan%2BTrench%26tbm%3Disch%26tbo%3Du&zoom=1&q=The+Japan+Trench&docid=2BtQtuv8S8YplM&sa=X&ei=_7OPT7nGNZGQiAeBkZjwAw&ved=0CEIQ9QEwBQ&dur=21

Whell, I can't be right ALLLL the time.  ???  :P

Good Try though Captain Dave...  ;D

It sounded convincing...

The Impact Zone still looked interesting...  ;D

Quote from: Captain Dave on April 19, 2012, 04:04:30 AM
Because the Earth rotates on it's axis in an Easterly direction, and both of these impacts show that the objects came in and hit, moving in an Easterly direction, it would account for an increase in Earth's rotational speed & therefore an increase in gravity?

So the asteroids sped up the Earth just like a top?


side note...
( Sooo, if we wanted to speed up or slow down the planet, we could create a fast moving object ( one skimming on the surface of the water or in the air ) and then direct it down to impact the planet surface. We would then be able to increase/decrease gravity? )

The illusion is of a spinning planet, and because the cause of this illusion is acting in scalar fashion out into universe , this is what We BELIEVE.
THE EARTH IS FIXED.
The flows of TIME...tempus fugit are that which causes the illusion and the SWITCHING RATE.
The flows are toroidal heart centred at all scale.
The planet is alive, it is remembering to be as it is relative to the orchestra like inputs and outputs which respond to the variations in flow rates relative to the complexity of galaxy.

No-thing moves.....TIME enables re-location.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbpURBJA4uA
hobbit

Hi Hobbit,

Why is it that many can't differentiate between the "Story" (experience of one Universe)
and WHY and HOW it is produced ?

Are we alone in all this ?   :D

The Matrix Traveller,
                                 TIME flows upon the matrix.
TIME overloads, both implosion and emittance.
TIME enables re-location.
The so called tectonic plates , are where the dragons flows of TIME create the illusion of movement as one zone is fractionally out of step with it's neighbours zone.
The consequence is what is called an earthquake.
I have stood( or tried to) in the path of time as an earthquake was happening, and observed.
TIME as We know it is a consequence of the sequence rate of implosion versus emittance relative to the toroidal bubble about this planet.
TIME enables the bubble within which memory occurs, alter the local rate of this sequence and You will have extremes known as earthquakes and volcanoes.
The universe is a fixed near solid substance that enables creation to occur relative to the encoded local memory field about whatever is encoded to be in that particuler dimension.
The dimensions are all in the self same location, they are geometry based relative to the mirror faces of the base substance of universe....dodecahedrons that perfectly pack.

The memory field intensities and geometries determine which dimension the memory is operating in....to cross from one dimension to another requires an alteration in the field memory to enable a trip across.
As Alice did.
hobbit

Quote from: The Matrix Traveller on April 19, 2012, 09:24:16 AM
Hi Hobbit,

Why is it that many can't differentiate between the "Story" (experience of one Universe)
and WHY and HOW it is produced ?

Are we alone in all this ?   :D

ALL is ONE.
Memory is the key.
You can only remember that which is within YOUR memory field.
Theres lots of memory within the planets memory field, even more in the solar systems, even more in galaxy, and universe has even more.
The trick is in atuning....modulating ones own memory field to act as radio/antenae to whatever other field You desire to tune to.
I have a hobbits ability to modulate My field memory to whatever other memory field I think of, and recognise.

I call it radio 1.618...also on .618, and my uncle fibonacci is the DJ.
hobbit

 ;D

dear Hobbit and Matrix
can i give you guys a hug..
i truly enjoy reading you both and feel the truth in your words
even though you both talk funny.. ;)...i get it
i'm so glad you are sharing here
thank you
Sky

I see the toroidal heart center as the secret to many parts of the construct and the relocation of memories throughout it's fields.
Is it right to imagine the universe as one conglomeration of fields interacting with each other constantly, creating our memories and imprinting them on the construct?
Yes.
Is it right to describe the universe as scalar in fashion where everything is placed in layers where they are of most importance?
Yes.

our memories are imprinted on the construct, and the fields place them where they fit best.

Picture a hard drive, clicking and whirring, all the while placing bits in their best places, forming the construct of the computer's "mind"
Then picture every thought you have, affecting every thing else around us, effectively reprogramming our surroundings to react to that thought.
realization is one small step ahead of time, and is why we seem to live IN the construct instead of ON it, in true scalar fashion.
It has to be scalar, as that is the only way we can assign levels of importance to our memory fields.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onion
Like this vegetable, it puts the nutrients, and such, in layers for storage and future use, efffectively creating a universe within itself.
Just like us.
I think of the construct as a palette for our minds to draw or paint whatever it feels like. The result is when we recall a memory, everything has to line up to allow that memory to be remembered.

To place the memories and their respective fields in perfect order is the job of the mind, and the mind places the memories in the proper alignment within or on the construct.

Geometry and fibonacci figure into the equation perfectly, as all transfer and movement of memories is to be done with the least amount of universal"space", and the magnetic and resonant nature of how that is done, is the code for the creation of all memory fields, and what we call matter.

Which leads me to ponder...how does the construct transfer our memory fields into physically manifested experiences?
Why do I feel something I pick up, if it is part of me as we postulate here?

Because of the 89 vs 55. As youve taught me, Hobbit, the physical feeling we receive from touching and picking up things has been incorrectly named gravity, and the difference between the movement and alignment of our memory fields is what gives us a sense of weight and solidness.

So, the physical sensation we get from the construct is just a result of the local differences in the implosion vs emittance, creating a feel of "weight" and as the memory fields place themselves in differing patterns within the construct, we "feel" the weight in question.

Like someone said once, you are what youre made of, and we are all made of one thing...memories.

Its a lot to understand for anyone, and an open mind is a necessity to "get it" so anyone who reads what Hobbit and Matrix are typing is privy to the truth. Now, they just have to SEE it and everything will be fine..:D
Cheers!
Littleenki

And here are some observations from different sides.

Side One.... what the heck are you guys talking about? This discussion is supposed to be about "Noah's Flood" and this train left that track a LONG time ago....

Side Two..... What could possibly account for this "human memory" of this enormous Flood and the Biblical message ( white dove and all) that there was hope for renewal?

Side Three.... How do deep Trenches and traces of ancient meteor strikes count in all of this and more importantly why is it that all of you have chosen over the past several days to center on it?

Side Four... why is it that scientist ( international scientists... not just the Americans) have taken up the challenge to explore the deep trenches.... not for just what might be found there but for the proven GRAVITATIONAL ANOMALIES that have been registered in them.

Side FIVE ( and this is where I stick my toes into all of this) Why would a group in the thirties be probing around the deepest trench in the Caribbean... all of the time very carefully measuring gravity?

Now I wasn't around when Noah had to deal with the famous message " Build the Arc" and frankly all I can do right now is smother a smile because I hear clearly Bill Cosbys voice..... that very deep voice saying.... NOAH..... Yes Lord?

But I have been really affected in  the last few years by dreams that have sent me on a long mission for facts. One of them was a vision.... of boats of all kinds being swamped by a whale and then after a long period of silence there was the sight of bits and pieces " bubbling" to the surface.... and then... I swear to you... In that dream I heard a voice that said " Now BUILD YOUR BOAT.

I hadn't really drawn any parallels between that ancient Noah story and my silly dream... but what if I am not the only one being given the message to " build a boat?"

What does that mean for our future? And I am apparently not the only one seeing that amazing " wave" that others have " seen" approaching.....

And now we have these long rambles here on the LivingMoon (which is as lovely a ship that is going to be found.)...but there are others talking as they sail too... some have called it an Armada and I can see that is what it is.... because unlike Noahs situation.... ONE Arc is not going to be enough for this....

Dad wrote some messages to me ( I assume it was to me).... but the message was penned in 1944.... I wasn't born until 1945.... and he wrote this before I was even conceived.... he had typed out a long story which read like a danged science fiction novel. It was all about a group of people ( several scattered groups of people) who together developed the largest ship ever imaginable... and .... his words said...." someday it will lift away like a tiny sailboat pushes away from a dock."... that gently..... this is something that he told my mother when they were on their first date in 1927....so he had held on to that thought for a long time before he typed all of those pages.....at the end of it though he wrote....." Daughter... these words are as true as the rain on the window above your head."

Difficult to explain. Ya kinda had to be there...

Even though the words that Hobbit and Matrix and Littleenki and now others seem difficult they are actually pointing our thoughts toward a new understanding. It may be years before its something that we can all see.... they have taken on a very difficult chore... sort of like the fish who has seen a cow in a pasture. How does that poor fish find the fish words to adequately convey what that cow is and represents? What does that MEAN to a fish?

But look at the movement in that direction here in your own gathering on the LivingMoon.  You guys started out with an urge to talk about Noah.... but that's not the totality of it......Its a grand thing to watch happening....

Of course.... those are just my impressions of what is happening and each one of you is meant to see and feel something else.   Linda

Boy are you right, linda, that thread veered right into the next dimension!
Your dream about the sinking ship is one I had many times years ago, and the message is clear:
YOU must now take the wheel, and sail the newest ship through treacherous seas as Noah did, and WE must realize the story of Noah is most likely a metaphorical one, as many Bible stories are, and now, what does it mean?
Rebirth through trial.
The bobbing items are the new ideas you have and the sinking of the ship was a metaphor for your desire to close one chapter and open another.
As we gather the bits and pieces, our armada grows stronger, and when we finally build that beautiful "tiny sailboat" it will be like she was with us all along.
The trenches are a good point to start for a new approach to Noah's predicament, as the water level would have been much lower then, and any trenches might have been valleys instead.
And in those valleys, maybe there are things only our government knows about(anomalies?)

Would it be possible the trenches hold the keys to all of our questions about the flood and how the world changed afterward?

Heck, only one or two missions down there have been made public, and Im sure there is WAY more to this story.

That TOTO still has me going, and the possibility of clandestine bases in the trenches is a big possibility.
Why would they be down there otherwise? I pondered to think of the whole alien craze and the idea of a bermuda triangle could be based on humanoid USO bases in the trenches.

I think Hobbit was onto something, when he asked"What is pressure?". It seems pressure down there may be the key to hanessing some sort of gravitic force, or at least finally observing it where it slows down greatly because of said pressure.

To be a fly on the wall of that Black sub.....

LE

Littlenki,

I was by trade a heating eng.(plumber)
I once was faced with pressure ...right in the face, as an ice plug let go after freezing the water in a pipe and 24 stories of pressure came bursting out of the pipe, this all in the hallway of an office block.

I had to deal with it fast...I did by managing to fit a valve onto the thread, but was nearly drowned doing it.
I also worked for several years on really high pressure hydraulics, and very high pressure steam.

I am a highly qualified welder , and was the welding engineer responsible to RR ltd, working on turbine blades.
I have observed lots along a very varied pathway.

Pressure and electricity have always bugged Me.

Pressure is the result of resistance, it is the substance resisting the route of something that desires to so call move it's location.

There is no so called energy, there is resistance.

There is ONE force that mass causes a resistance to in universe, where there is little resistance We call empty space.
It is not empty, it simply offers little resistance.
The sun offers resistance, and We are downstream of that resistance.
You offer resistance at a programmed rate, and thus cause a rise in temperaturerelative to the resistance.
but because We presently are blind ( veiled) the what is been resisted, You are told energy is creating the temperature.

The universal flows are electrical in nature, they create areas of magnetism, that enables creation of mass from the compression of the flows, there was no rubbish big bang, mass forms , and is merely super compressed flows that permeate universe, the geometry of the base substance of universe determines the complexity of the outcomes of the periodic table which is resonant based( see Walter Russell)
Each element offers different resistances to the free flow , this in turn creates magnetism which can be harnessed to do work, but can also enable rather more exotic occurances in universe.

The clouds and water are based heavily upon hydrogen, and it is the carrier of what is flowing, the planet creates layers  of opposite attractions that polarised atoms are attracted to.
Any sudden alteration is those layers will cause sudden and huge deluges, and create attractions zones within the planet where mass will be attracted towards.

If as I suspect We are nearing a PINCH point in the geometry of the flows, then at such a time either of the senarios of deluge or land sink is a possibilty, imho.

Then perhaps we will learn just what HAARP has been striving to control???
To litterally equalize any sudden overload.

hobbit

lol  i feel like ron paul

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tb5aGgQXhXo

Quote from: undo11 on April 19, 2012, 08:06:33 PM
lol  i feel like ron paul

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tb5aGgQXhXo

Words are strange?
Do You feel( as in your turning male) like ron paul?
Do You feel( as in how Your fingers detect) like ron paul?
Do You feel( know how he feels)like ron paul?

By the way( I,m in England) who is ron paul?
Is he the invisable man?
If He is invisable...how does he feel things??
hobbit

Quote from: undo11 on April 19, 2012, 08:06:33 PM
lol  i feel like ron paul

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tb5aGgQXhXo

So what you're saying is that you're the most reasonable & intelligent one in the race and for some reason you're being ignored?  ;D

Hahaha, I'm just kidding though it may be true...

Quote from: Captain Dave on April 19, 2012, 08:27:39 PM
So what you're saying is that you're the most reasonable & intelligent one in the race and for some reason you're being ignored?  ;D

Hahaha, I'm just kidding though it may be true...

wait, let me review..............

oh you're ron paul too!

Quote from: hobbit on April 19, 2012, 08:22:15 PM
Words are strange?
Do You feel( as in your turning male) like ron paul?
Do You feel( as in how Your fingers detect) like ron paul?
Do You feel( know how he feels)like ron paul?

By the way( I,m in England) who is ron paul?
Is he the invisable man?
If He is invisable...how does he feel things??
hobbit

your writing style, spelling, grammar, and thought choices, are similar to little enki's.  are you two buddies ?  if not, you should be.   oh wait, yes you are buddies.  was mentioned earlier by little enki.   soooooo, yeah.  interesting

Quote from: undo11 on April 19, 2012, 08:33:17 PM
your writing style, spelling, grammar, and thought choices, are similar to little enki's.  are you two buddies ?  if not, you should be.   oh wait, yes you are buddies.  was mentioned earlier by little enki.   soooooo, yeah.  interesting

Littleenki is seeking wisdom, He now sees via the palms of his hands instead of the limited eyes.
He's my lillte apprentice.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2yIkDVs0cA&feature=related
Call Him grasshopper
hobbit

Quote from: undo11 on April 19, 2012, 08:30:34 PM
wait, let me review..............

oh you're ron paul too!

Thanks!

It sure seem's like "they've" pushed him as far back as possible in soo many ways.

The truth though is that no President will every be able to do what we really need. Not without the power of the people behind him. For something like that to happen, people would have to know the laws well enough to effect real changes in our systems.

Figuratively speaking of course...
Take the President out of the White House and surround him with "the people" and we might all have a fighting chance. Otherwise, as long as he's stuck surrounded by "them" we're all stuck.

The truth is hidden from the light of day by a lot of underhanded dealings, lies, corruption etc etc etc... This has been the policy for countless generations... They hide the truth using the guise that we can not know because we are not able to handle it. Then how is it that they were able to? The truth is more like, they enjoy the power they have and don't want to lose it.

Jesus comes in trying to spread the truth... what did they do?

Noah speaks the truth... what did they do...

and so on and so forth...

Sorry, that was a little bit of a rant there! lol

Rather than limit Our solution to this country (no chance), Let's work on a global solution.  I have the petition in My sig...  And My posts here, The End of Entropy, in particular.

I'm out tweeting and emailing like a cyberfiend!  LOL!

Excellent post, Hobbit, as I had been puzzling over pressure lately, and what it means in the big picture.
That pipe was a near death experience for you!
Ive been in a room when the fire sprinklers popped, and all the water from a ten story building and it's system came blasting out at me while on drywall stilts, what a fun time that was!
I never made it out of the room(10x12) before the door blew out and three feet of water went into a lawyers office! OOps, epic fail on the sprinkler man's part that day!
So, what is electricity?(Hobbit)
Compressed gravity, perhaps?(Rauscher)
Resonating particles?(Tesla)
A concentrated flow of the potential in any given circuit?(any electrician):)
A hybrid of them all?
The pressures rising!And it wants out!
Posted is a drawing I made a few months ago after some deep remote viewing, and I dont know why I saw it, but here goes!

Quote from: hobbit on April 19, 2012, 08:42:38 PM
Littleenki is seeking wisdom, He now sees via the palms of his hands instead of the limited eyes.
He's my lillte apprentice.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2yIkDVs0cA&feature=related
Call Him grasshopper
hobbit

Ah yes, master, I SEE now!;D
Hobbit, I loved kung fu, but never got the wisdom until later in life, thanks for the kind word!
LE

Quote from: Amaterasu on April 19, 2012, 09:05:40 PM
Rather than limit Our solution to this country (no chance), Let's work on a global solution.  I have the petition in My sig...  And My posts here, The End of Entropy, in particular.

I'm out tweeting and emailing like a cyberfiend!  LOL!

The USA is a just a small part of the whole, but we are all affected by the same things.

I can come up with plans all day long that would benefit the World, and help bring a better balance.  But if they don't like my efforts, I lose my freedom or my life.

Quote from: Littleenki on April 19, 2012, 09:16:36 PM
Ah yes, master, I SEE now!;D
Hobbit, I loved kung fu, but never got the wisdom until later in life, thanks for the kind word!
LE

And I see things also .
So who's the apprentice?
Maybe ?, it's the blind leading the blind?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCyJRXvPNRo
grasshopper hobbit

Quote from: Captain Dave on April 19, 2012, 09:18:25 PM
The USA is a just a small part of the whole, but we are all affected by the same things.

I can come up with plans all day long that would benefit the World, and help bring a better balance.  But if they don't like my efforts, I lose my freedom or my life.

Think on this....
Nobody dies.
Thus what is it YOU fear???
hobbit

lol be careful with the hobbit worship, lil sam.  i will have to warn the z-man that he has a new cult forming in the noah thread. hehe!

Captain dave,

there's a really good video on that subject that someone shared with me after i went on a rant about how all these powerful religions and organizations, have as one of their founding principles, the concept that if someone doesn't belong to your clique, you may lie to them, steal from them, cheat them, and relegate them to the status of non-relevant.

the jews say as a jew you may steal from, cheat, lie to, etc, a gentile.
the mormons say as a mormon, you may steal from, cheat, lie to, etc, a gentile.
the muslims say as a muslim, you may steal from, cheat, lie to, etc, a kaffir (A non-muslim).
scientologists say as a scientologist, you may do anything you want to fair game (anybody they don't like).
governments, same thing.
secret societies are not quite as bad.  they just omit information, rather than telling you to lie, they tell you to just not talk about it.

that suggests a survival of the fittest scenario of mammoth proportions.  if anyone can lie to, cheat, steal from, etc, anybody else they want, with impunity, just by belonging to a "club", we gots ourselves a big problem.   cause the rest of us are being told to not lie, to not steal, to not cheat, etc.  even our enemies are supposed to be treated like cherished friends and loved ones, even while they're plotting the downfall of anyone stupid enough to believe them.

so this guy reads my statements above and shares this video with me:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddq8FwIfw7w

Quote from: undo11 on April 19, 2012, 09:35:02 PM
lol be careful with the hobbit worship, lil sam.  i will have to warn the z-man that he has a new cult forming in the noah thread. hehe!

First meeting of the Hobbit club this sunday at noon!;)))
LOL!  Undo youre a trip!
That video is pretty wild, and the religidiots are well versed in their cliquey mentality.
Cheers!
LE

Quote from: Littleenki on April 19, 2012, 09:43:17 PM

Quote from: undo11 on April 19, 2012, 09:35:02 PM
lol be careful with the hobbit worship, lil sam.  i will have to warn the z-man that he has a new cult forming in the noah thread. hehe!

First meeting of the Hobbit club this sunday at noon!;)))
LOL!  Undo youre a trip!
That video is pretty wild, and the religidiots are well versed in their cliquey mentality.
Cheers!
LE

it's not just religious people though.  i'm religious, in the official description of the word, but not in quite the same way. i observe all this stuff going on and wonder, just who is actually going to tell the truth? and all i see are a long line of liars waiting for their shot at abusing everybody else.   

get this. i play a video game with violence in it.  i try to do as little violence as possible, and instead elect roles where i can heal and buff and resurrect people instead.  meanwhile there are people out there who have no qualims about us killing people in real life, here or abroad, who are upset that people play video games with violence in them. 

i'm like, "okay, i've had it!"   

Quote from: undo11 on April 19, 2012, 09:46:58 PM
First meeting of the Hobbit club this sunday at noon!;)))
LOL!  Undo youre a trip!
That video is pretty wild, and the religidiots are well versed in their cliquey mentality.
Cheers!
LE


it's not just religious people though.  i'm religious, in the official description of the word, but not in quite the same way. i observe all this stuff going on and wonder, just who is actually going to tell the truth? and all i see are a long line of liars waiting for their shot at abusing everybody else.   

get this. i play a video game with violence in it.  i try to do as little violence as possible, and instead elect roles where i can heal and buff and resurrect people instead.  meanwhile there are people out there who have no qualims about us killing people in real life, here or abroad, who are upset that people play video games with violence in them. 

i'm like, "okay, i've had it!"   

Those games arent anything I can comment on as the only game I have is...gasp!...Wii!
Id play a game where I can be a philantropist or a healer, cool idea, the little jesus video game, where you can heal, resurrect, and make fish pate for hundreds with a single carp!
I bet some of the games youve worked on are pretty cool.
Religious is ok but to push it or negate my beliefs with theirs...thats who Ive coined religidiots.
No comment on the scientologists, as I live near clearwater, fl, their headquarters, and I dont want to end up in flag getting brainwashed!
LOL!
Cheers!
LE

Quote from: undo11 on April 19, 2012, 09:46:58 PM
First meeting of the Hobbit club this sunday at noon!;)))
LOL!  Undo youre a trip!
That video is pretty wild, and the religidiots are well versed in their cliquey mentality.
Cheers!
LE


it's not just religious people though.  i'm religious, in the official description of the word, but not in quite the same way. i observe all this stuff going on and wonder, just who is actually going to tell the truth? and all i see are a long line of liars waiting for their shot at abusing everybody else.   

get this. i play a video game with violence in it.  i try to do as little violence as possible, and instead elect roles where i can heal and buff and resurrect people instead.  meanwhile there are people out there who have no qualims about us killing people in real life, here or abroad, who are upset that people play video games with violence in them. 

i'm like, "okay, i've had it!"   

Reap as YOU sow.
We are co-creators within the memory field pf this planet.
Thank you for not assisting in the uplift of killing etc.
If each person took personal responsibility for their actions, then We can create whatever we desire.

Perhaps just talking about a flood, will create such?
hobbit

Quote from: Captain Dave on April 19, 2012, 09:18:25 PM
The USA is a just a small part of the whole, but we are all affected by the same things.

I can come up with plans all day long that would benefit the World, and help bring a better balance.  But if they don't like my efforts, I lose my freedom or my life.

And so I may.  But I cannot live knowing I could try and did nothing and just let it all go down the toilet.

So the Plan is to:

1)  Raise awareness that this technology exists so that We can -

2)  Call for the release of the overunity technology to -

3)  Remove the cost of energy in manufacturing, transportation, agriculture, homes, & misc. so -

4)  The cost of building robots to do the necessary jobs no One wants to do becomes affordable so -

5)  We can relieve Ourselves of undesired toil, being supported easily at this point on social services since -

6)  Money will become unnecessary when the effort to collect the penny for the week's groceries (the room full of furniture, the house, the [fill in the blank]) is more than the penny is worth

By abundantly replacing the money with what it represents (meaningful energy expended), the need for money dissipates and there is no motive to promote consumerism.  There is no motive to solve issues the cheapest or most profitable way.  There is no motive to steal - if One wants it, another can be had for the asking on the web. There is no motive to defraud.  There is no motive to silence discoveries.  There is no motive to hide cures.  There is no motive to do what does not give One bliss.

There WILL be motive to better the world - Those who contribute will earn appreciation, thanks, gratitude, namr recognition and Self satisfaction.  Instill a Betterment Ethic in place of the work "ethic" (a slave's ethic - enrich others with One's Human energy).

"From Each according to BLISS; to Each according to DESIRE."

Quote from: hobbit on April 19, 2012, 10:06:42 PM
Reap as YOU sow.
We are co-creators within the memory field pf this planet.
Thank you for not assisting in the uplift of killing etc.
If each person took personal responsibility for their actions, then We can create whatever we desire.

Perhaps just talking about a flood, will create such?
hobbit

no you don't reap as you sow if you're popular or famous or have lots of power ......... or have a bunch of people either independently and/or dependently, defending you.  all i'm saying is, this whole thing is getting pretty friggin ridiculous.

i'm supposed to be responsible for crap people did years decades centuries or even millenia ago, because their skin was the same color or they read the same books or prayed to the same or similar gods or whatever.   that just makes me want to scream sometimes.

i'm thinking- - well, if i can be held personally responsible for what other people did because of a genetic similarity in skin color, then we should have no qualms about holding the entirety of the male gender personally responsible for anything done to women since the dawn of homosapians ?  no? 

well what the hell then?   

Quote from: undo11 on April 19, 2012, 10:22:25 PM
no you don't reap as you sow if you're popular or famous or have lots of power ......... or have a bunch of people either independently and/or dependently, defending you.  all i'm saying is, this whole thing is getting pretty friggin ridiculous.

i'm supposed to be responsible for crap people did years decades centuries or even millenia ago, because their skin was the same color or they read the same books or prayed to the same or similar gods or whatever.   that just makes me want to scream sometimes.

i'm thinking- - well, if i can be held personally responsible for what other people did because of a genetic similarity in skin color, then we should have no qualms about holding the entirety of the male gender personally responsible for anything done to women since the dawn of homosapians ?  no? 

well what the hell then?

Go girl go.
I am a hobbit, and fully realise the superiority of the female half of humanity.
i apologise for the inadequate nature of the male half....sorry.

I forgive all, as they did not KNOW what they were doing.

Undo11, do not carry the cross of others such inadaquacies, instead forgive them.

Otherwise YOU take on their failings.
The males are locked into their physical left brains....by an alien force...mostly via flouride in their water, toothpaste and deoderants.
Their pineal glands are not activated as well as females....forgive them.

The males do as they are told, and re easily corrupted....forgive them.

Bring it on fast when We return to a matriarchal society.

hobbit

i don't particularly want a matriarchal society or a patriarchal one.  i thought the egyptians at least tried to get that part right.  i'd prefer if they would just stop beating the war drums, most of it race or religion/non-religion related, and start actually telling the truth.

Quote from: undo11 on April 19, 2012, 10:56:47 PM
i don't particularly want a matriarchal society or a patriarchal one.  i thought the egyptians at least tried to get that part right.  i'd prefer if they would just stop beating the war drums, most of it race or religion/non-religion related, and start actually telling the truth.

"The truth"

Do You consume animals and vegatables?
Do YOU kill them to TAKE their life force???
WELL???
hobbit

Quote from: hobbit on April 19, 2012, 11:03:37 PM
"The truth"

Do You consume animals and vegatables?
Do YOU kill them to TAKE their life force???
WELL???
hobbit

i don't but i do consume the results of someone else doing so.  yesterday i noticed an ant on the bathroom floor, apparently had reached the end of its life course and could not flip back over. it was on its back. it struggled like crazy. i felt bad for it but didn't want to kill it, so i left it there. an hour later, i go back in there and the ant is still alive. i decide i should remove it and put it outside, i picked it up with a piece of toilet paper and it accidentally fell into the furry rug by the toilet. i tried to pick it up again with the toilet paper and apparently it was grasping rug fibers with it's backlegs.  the end result was not pretty.  i actually cried over killing the ant, cause i was trying to save it.

in the video game i'm playing at the moment, i'm killing fictitious thingies called "dust stormers."  they are "elementals". 
when i sit down i squish a few million dust mites.   my immune system annihilates germs, bacteria and virii.  of course, as far as i know, i didn't invent this body system, i just try to manage it.

why?   

"WHY" ...to survive( animal)
To experience....the real YOU.
YOU have experienced what it is like to kill an ant.
YOU will report this to the even higher YOU via DMT.
You crave novelty( hence the games)
You are Me, as I am He, as YOU are him.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nnpil_pRUiw
hobbit

Kukukuchu! I just murdered a flounder....
Time to eat!
LE

One of These....


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LaINmX_aM70



may allow you to see the Actual Flood taking Place.

If you could build a "Little Light Box" like seen in the Video above.  LOL.

:D   ;D

Quote from: undo11 on April 19, 2012, 11:11:04 PM
i don't but i do consume the results of someone else doing so.  yesterday i noticed an ant on the bathroom floor, apparently had reached the end of its life course and could not flip back over. it was on its back. it struggled like crazy. i felt bad for it but didn't want to kill it, so i left it there. an hour later, i go back in there and the ant is still alive. i decide i should remove it and put it outside, i picked it up with a piece of toilet paper and it accidentally fell into the furry rug by the toilet. i tried to pick it up again with the toilet paper and apparently it was grasping rug fibers with it's backlegs.  the end result was not pretty.  i actually cried over killing the ant, cause i was trying to save it.

I do things like that too. There was a butterfly in the water near my boat... It was still alive, I thought it only right to help if I could, thinking it is a living being and if I were in it's position I would of course want the help.

It was funny, because I had to look around to make sure no one was looking... I didn't want anyone seeing a grown man trying to save a butterfly.

Now I went to great length to do all this...find something to put under the butterfly in the water so as not to injure it and/or lose anymore of the powder on it's wings etc... leaning out in precarious position to retrieve it etc.

So I saved the butterfly... Put it on the deck in the sun so it's wings could dry... Watched it carefully thinking hmm, looks like it's going to be fine. It finally righted itself... wings moving & drying... I was all proud of myself.

I left the deck for awhile and went about my business. When I came back, the wind had knocked the little guy back into the water and this time it was a ways below the surface, swirling around in the current. I looked down in frustration thinking, really God, are you serious?

I remember thinking, well all things die, I guess it was just it's turn.

We all die... at least from this form, from this life. I have no fear of dying... but rather that when I go, I will no longer be here, I will be somewhere else. Once there, I won't be able to come back here in this life, and I have things that I'd like to do here before I go.

I can go there anytime, and am in fact heading there quickly enough.

BTW... that video was right on.

The wife and I were discussing this earlier.

The Great Circle of Accountability...

1. The Jewish leaders wanted Jesus dead, but couldn't do it themselves. They went to the Romans and phrased things in a way so as to push the Romans to do it.

2. The Romans didn't want to do it so they escaped by leaving it to the people.

3. The people knew that if they chose Jesus over Barabbas then they would have to deal with The Jewish leaders, Romans & Roman Cops...

So who was responsible?

My answer is All of them.

Have things really changed so much in all this time? Seems to me like the same games are still being played, just with more people involved.

QuoteSo I saved the butterfly... Put it on the deck in the sun so it's wings could dry...
Watched it carefully thinking hmm, looks like it's going to be fine. It finally righted itself...
wings moving & drying...
I was all proud of myself.

Yeah... It takes courage to part from monkey thinking?

QuoteI left the deck for awhile and went about my business. When I came back, the wind had knocked the little guy back into the water and this time it was a ways below the surface, swirling around in the current. I looked down in frustration thinking, really God, are you serious?

There is a Lesson in this for You as these things do NOT involve the imaginations
of the human Species, nor religion or Philosophy of the Human Species.   :D

This World is NOT about what most believe it to be, and can't understand most things,
so either Guess, assume, or they turn against The LIFE experiencing all species.

QuoteI remember thinking, well all things die, I guess it was just it's turn.

Yes that is a human understanding but is that really what it is about?

QuoteWe all die... at least from this form, from this life.
I have no fear of dying... but rather that when I go, I will no longer be here, I will be somewhere else.
Once there, I won't be able to come back here in this life, and I have things that I'd like to do here before I go.

I used to think this way in my younger years in the early 1970's.

But I the experienced Death. (Found Death was a human Myth.)

I was pronounced Dead (Legally by a Doctor) then returned again, some + 30 minutes later.

So I no Longer need to guess about dying so called.

Read my Forum "Processing System"/ 0001 Coming to know the Origin of this Universe. No religion involved.

This outlines the experience regarding Dying.

Later "Fear" set in realizing I couldn't die.

But then Understanding came and I No Longer fear NOT being able to die.

So its NOT a matter of fearing Death but rather of NOT being able to Die
and what happens next NOT involving guess work or human belief.

So Later I was able to Understand and accept eternal LIFE.

Regarding The ancient Christian writings... Quote;

Quote10.  Jesus said, "I have cast fire upon the world,
and see, I am guarding it until it blazes."

11.  Jesus said, "This heaven will pass away,
and the one above it will pass away.

The dead are not alive,
and the living will not die.

In the days when you consumed what is dead,
you made it what is alive.

When you come to dwell in THE LIGHT, what will you do?

Regarding this part of the text see below..  Quote;

QuoteIn the days when you consumed what is dead,
you made it what is alive.

It was added in by the "Scribes".

NOTE; It is out of Place with regard to the rest of the text and contradicts other areas
of this writing as well as other texts.

I have known many who have passed from this realm of existence. They are not here where I am - they are passed through a door to another place. Their body is buried in the Earth.

But many, many, return.

The world is NOT a "Test" for Monkeys or "Primates, as many would have you believe.

Its about LIFE, and The "Processing Construct" which displays your Experiences.   :D

If LIFE knows ALL things, why would it need to "Test" anything,
as It would already know the Outcome, seeing that LIFE knows ALL things.   :D

So the world is NOT according to Monkey thinking now is it ?

Its about Something Quite different !

Funny how "Monkey" or "Primate" want's to be First in everything ?

Especially when only a "Program" or Story...  :D

Our attention should be on LIFE the FIRST Priority NOT the "Flesh",
"Monkey" or "Primate", as was taught in Ancient times.

Quote from: undo11 on April 19, 2012, 11:11:04 PM
i don't but i do consume the results of someone else doing so.  yesterday i noticed an ant on the bathroom floor, apparently had reached the end of its life course and could not flip back over. it was on its back. it struggled like crazy. i felt bad for it but didn't want to kill it, so i left it there. an hour later, i go back in there and the ant is still alive. i decide i should remove it and put it outside, i picked it up with a piece of toilet paper and it accidentally fell into the furry rug by the toilet. i tried to pick it up again with the toilet paper and apparently it was grasping rug fibers with it's backlegs.  the end result was not pretty.  i actually cried over killing the ant, cause i was trying to save it.

in the video game i'm playing at the moment, i'm killing fictitious thingies called "dust stormers."  they are "elementals". 
when i sit down i squish a few million dust mites.   my immune system annihilates germs, bacteria and virii.  of course, as far as i know, i didn't invent this body system, i just try to manage it.

why?

Undo11, Why? Me thinks the answer to that question (if there is one) is very dependent, and variable, upon who is responding, and their individual understandings, and belief systems.

As humans, we absolutely can take ourselves down every thought process, and just accept or reject what our mind is presented. This innate ability is really a great thing, except, unbridled and unguided, it can take us completely away from reality, and into areas of "weird and confused". There are so many "tangents" in what I would term "normal life", keeping straight definitely needs attention, but, when dealing with the fields of "strange", I think we can get derailed even more easily.

Even on a discussion forum like this, everyone is different, with not just a few being "very different". That can be good for us, with each presenting their views on each subject, but, it can become bad for us, if we cannot, or if we refuse, to differentiate between what is "reality", what is "posi-reality", and what is "fairy tale/make believe". What makes this even more difficult is that sometimes "reality" can look/seem pretty weird, while at other times the "fairy tale" can just make us feel good.

So, at times, it can get pretty difficult to stay "straight", especially when there is significant emphasis leading us otherwise - maybe more-so today, than ever before.

Undo11, like you, I have a soft heart too. I have a distaste for killing animals for sport, although I have in the past. But, there is a reason animals and fish are here, and most all of them are in the food chain, of other animals (even the animals know that), and/or of humans. That is simply a part of life on this planet, as it has always existed. Regarding "ants", well, you cry when one dies, and the Ant Eater eats all he can find. And I, because the fire ants here in Texas are everywhere, and leave a sore on me when one stings me, I kill them by the thousands at a time, in their mounds. They can be extremely dangerous for many elements of our lives including people, children  and livestock (of which I have none).

Most people (adults) are intelligent enough to know a "Pied Piper" when we see one. On the other hand, a "wolf in sheep's clothing" can be hard to discern. That is why it is so important for us to "find that solid rock", and for us "to stay grounded with and in it", regardless of what may come our way. Then we don't have to be bothered with some of the really "nitnoy stuff", like whether ants live or die, or whether there are actual aliens or not, or, whether there is "actually gravity" or not.

There are some things that we should just KNOW, and we should stand on those things, while listening to and dealing with things that don't fit that description. Stand firm in your own mind, and just don't be bothered by that other stuff!!!

All IMVHO!  ;)




 

Quote from: rdunk on April 20, 2012, 05:02:15 AM
Undo11, Why? Me thinks the answer to that question (if there is one) is very dependent, and variable, upon who is responding, and their individual understandings, and belief systems.

As humans, we absolutely can take ourselves down every thought process, and just accept or reject what our mind is presented. This innate ability is really a great thing, except, unbridled and unguided, it can take us completely away from reality, and into areas of "weird and confused". There are so many "tangents" in what I would term "normal life", keeping straight definitely needs attention, but, when dealing with the fields of "strange", I think we can get derailed even more easily.

Even on a discussion forum like this, everyone is different, with not just a few being "very different". That can be good for us, with each presenting their views on each subject, but, it can become bad for us, if we cannot, or if we refuse, to differentiate between what is "reality", what is "posi-reality", and what is "fairy tale/make believe". What makes this even more difficult is that sometimes "reality" can look/seem pretty weird, while at other times the "fairy tale" can just make us feel good.

So, at times, it can get pretty difficult to stay "straight", especially when there is significant emphasis leading us otherwise - maybe more-so today, than ever before.

Undo11, like you, I have a soft heart too. I have a distaste for killing animals for sport, although I have in the past. But, there is a reason animals and fish are here, and most all of them are in the food chain, of other animals (even the animals know that), and/or of humans. That is simply a part of life on this planet, as it has always existed. Regarding "ants", well, you cry when one dies, and the Ant Eater eats all he can find. And I, because the fire ants here in Texas are everywhere, and leave a sore on me when one stings me, I kill them by the thousands at a time, in their mounds. They can be extremely dangerous for many elements of our lives including people, children  and livestock (of which I have none).

Most people (adults) are intelligent enough to know a "Pied Piper" when we see one. On the other hand, a "wolf in sheep's clothing" can be hard to discern. That is why it is so important for us to "find that solid rock", and for us "to stay grounded with and in it", regardless of what may come our way. Then we don't have to be bothered with some of the really "nitnoy stuff", like whether ants live or die, or whether there are actual aliens or not, or, whether there is "actually gravity" or not.

There are some things that we should just KNOW, and we should stand on those things, while listening to and dealing with things that don't fit that description. Stand firm in your own mind, and just don't be bothered by that other stuff!!!

All IMVHO!  ;)

thanks for the advice.  alot of smart people here.  one of the things that bug me about all this, is i see people every day,  on the internet, complaining about christians or christianity.  christians are blamed for stuff other people did, including everything in the old testament.   i got news for them, not only was i not here to make choices on the things i'm being blamed for, neither were my parents, grandparents, great grandparents, and probably great great grandparents, and who knows the extent of options they had during those times?   

  christians are blamed because they're still human and do dumb things, like everybody else.  christians are blamed for being hypocrites and from where i'm standing, that seems to be an universal short coming of people in general, so why christians in particular?  this reminds me of the "kick me" sign taped to george mcfly's back and it has  long since lost its comedy value.

Hi rdunk,

Spot on with your Advice rdunk...   ;D

Its refreshing to say the least.

Quote from: undo11 on April 20, 2012, 06:04:03 AM
thanks for the advice.  alot of smart people here.  one of the things that bug me about all this, is i see people every day,  on the internet, complaining about Christians or Christianity.  Christians are blamed for stuff other people did, including everything in the old testament.   i got news for them, not only was i not here to make choices on the things i'm being blamed for, neither were my parents, grandparents, great grandparents, and probably great great grandparents, and who knows the extent of options they had during those times?   

  Christians are blamed because they're still human and do dumb things, like everybody else.  Christians are blamed for being hypocrites and from where i'm standing, that seems to be an universal short coming of people in general, so why Christians in particular?  this reminds me of the "kick me" sign taped to George mcfly's back and it has  long since lost its comedy value.

Another simple but challenging thought Undo! You are right about the never ending attack on Christians, and Christianity in general. On the basis of the Bible, and the Christian faith, the conflict you describe started in the Garden of Eden, with the lying serpent, and continues throughout to now, and will until the end of the end-time, which is near at hand!

Christians are an easy mark, because the very name "Christian" is almost like the "mark of the beast", and is inflammatory to many around the world. Loving others is what being a Christian is supposed to be all about. And, yet, as you say, often times the human part of the Christian fails to exhibit that element of God's love, and thus opening the doors to the never ending attacks is seen as being a common fault. Even with our faults, yet God still loves us (all people) unconditionally, even while we were/are not committed Christian members of his "family". In this, lies the "solid foundation" of "life"!

Just KNOW the world is going to continue the attacks, but the "world" doesn't win this "fight"! We know how the story ends, with a new beginning! So, don't sweat the small stuff!

Quote from: The Matrix Traveller on April 20, 2012, 06:47:35 AM
Hi rdunk,

Spot on with your Advice rdunk...   ;D

Its refreshing to say the least.

Thanks Matrix Traveler for your comments!!! I do appreciate your efforts to help us here, with some of your life details and experiences. Helping each other is a big part of what life is all about!

well my kids all ganged up on me and basically told me i should have no opinion and that i should apologize for the opinions i do have.  seems defending yourself is now considered rude. 

so i apologize for having opinions, stating them frankly, and defending myself on the subject of jesus. to be honest, no amount of criticism is going to change my mind on that, so the only way for us to converse is to assume that if you have something negative to say about christianity, that i'm probably over here sitting on my fingers so i don't defend myself and as a result, won't be talking to you at all. 

now why in the sam hill does it have to come to that?  to be honest, i'm a bit ticked off.

Quote from: rdunk on April 20, 2012, 05:02:15 AM
Undo11, Why? Me thinks the answer to that question (if there is one) is very dependent, and variable, upon who is responding, and their individual understandings, and belief systems.

As humans, we absolutely can take ourselves down every thought process, and just accept or reject what our mind is presented. This innate ability is really a great thing, except, unbridled and unguided, it can take us completely away from reality, and into areas of "weird and confused". There are so many "tangents" in what I would term "normal life", keeping straight definitely needs attention, but, when dealing with the fields of "strange", I think we can get derailed even more easily.

Even on a discussion forum like this, everyone is different, with not just a few being "very different". That can be good for us, with each presenting their views on each subject, but, it can become bad for us, if we cannot, or if we refuse, to differentiate between what is "reality", what is "posi-reality", and what is "fairy tale/make believe". What makes this even more difficult is that sometimes "reality" can look/seem pretty weird, while at other times the "fairy tale" can just make us feel good.

So, at times, it can get pretty difficult to stay "straight", especially when there is significant emphasis leading us otherwise - maybe more-so today, than ever before.

Undo11, like you, I have a soft heart too. I have a distaste for killing animals for sport, although I have in the past. But, there is a reason animals and fish are here, and most all of them are in the food chain, of other animals (even the animals know that), and/or of humans. That is simply a part of life on this planet, as it has always existed. Regarding "ants", well, you cry when one dies, and the Ant Eater eats all he can find. And I, because the fire ants here in Texas are everywhere, and leave a sore on me when one stings me, I kill them by the thousands at a time, in their mounds. They can be extremely dangerous for many elements of our lives including people, children  and livestock (of which I have none).

Most people (adults) are intelligent enough to know a "Pied Piper" when we see one. On the other hand, a "wolf in sheep's clothing" can be hard to discern. That is why it is so important for us to "find that solid rock", and for us "to stay grounded with and in it", regardless of what may come our way. Then we don't have to be bothered with some of the really "nitnoy stuff", like whether ants live or die, or whether there are actual aliens or not, or, whether there is "actually gravity" or not.

There are some things that we should just KNOW, and we should stand on those things, while listening to and dealing with things that don't fit that description. Stand firm in your own mind, and just don't be bothered by that other stuff!!!

All IMVHO!  ;)

WRONG

Quote from: NewTheories on April 20, 2012, 10:22:39 AM
WRONG

elaborate?

Oh THIS is going to be fun.   Linda

Quote from: undo11 on April 20, 2012, 10:40:40 AM

Quote from: NewTheories on April 20, 2012, 10:22:39 AM
WRONG

elaborate?

I'm with You, Beth.  It seems intellectually...lazy, at best, to make claims without support and demonstration.  And, I would think, intellectually dishonest, at worst.

Quote from: undo11 on April 20, 2012, 10:21:47 AM
well my kids all ganged up on me and basically told me i should have no opinion and that i should apologize for the opinions i do have.  seems defending yourself is now considered rude. 

so i apologize for having opinions, stating them frankly, and defending myself on the subject of jesus. to be honest, no amount of criticism is going to change my mind on that, so the only way for us to converse is to assume that if you have something negative to say about christianity, that i'm probably over here sitting on my fingers so i don't defend myself and as a result, won't be talking to you at all. 

now why in the sam hill does it have to come to that?  to be honest, i'm a bit ticked off.

Thats what the kids are learning these days, and it's the mantra of the NWO.

Your beliefs in Jesus and his teachings are totally ok, as he WAS a man, and he DID teach the world new ideas about us. Im not a believer he was the son of any god, but that cant stop me from following his teachings.
You are a strong woman, Undo, and your opinions DO matter, so dont stop presenting them, as that's the beginning of the atrophic society they want to create.

Being ticked off is a sure sign of passion, so youve got that on your side, too!

You cant win the game without a good defense.

LE

So many of the things you all say make perfect sense to me and that feels so good - Thanks.

Like a ghost ship tossed upon the sea, with no anchor to keep me still. I've wandered too and fro, with no heading to take me home.  Endless days turns into nights, where nothings wrong and nothings right.  What it means I just don't know, as I drift past endless shores.

In this dream I'm still not free, as I wander endlessly. Surely Heaven only knows where I was meant to be.

But I have felt the rain, the sun shining down on my face, I have felt the pain and I have felt God's Grace.

Like a gentle rain, falls on the window pane, above my head, somehow it all makes sense.


( Woke up hearing music in my head which hasn't happened for quite awhile, so I started writing this down based on what I've experienced lately. It's still an unfinished song, but it gives me hope. )  ;D

Quote from: undo11 on April 20, 2012, 10:40:40 AM
elaborate?

He is inadvertently promoting lazy thinking, if not also saying not to think as well in places.

Quote from: NewTheories on April 20, 2012, 09:07:09 PM
He is inadvertently promoting lazy thinking, if not also saying not to think as well in places.

Eh ?

You were quoted and then talked "of yourself in third person"   :o

Quote from: Linda Brown on April 20, 2012, 12:29:03 PM
Oh THIS is going to be fun.   Linda

OOOOO yeah Noah and the Water....  yeah I need to get into THIS one :D

Quote from: zorgon on April 20, 2012, 09:35:48 PM
OOOOO yeah Noah and the Water....  yeah I need to get into THIS one :D

I cant wait to hear the Mars flood theory, it sounds very strong! Zorgon!
LE

Quote from: NewTheories on April 20, 2012, 09:07:09 PM
He is inadvertently promoting lazy thinking, if not also saying not to think as well in places.

Would it be beyond the reasonable to request specifics?  WHERE do You see Him inadvertently doing this?  What statements were made that lead You to believe these things, and how do You figure it all?

Quote from: Captain Dave on April 20, 2012, 07:51:34 PM
So many of the things you all say make perfect sense to me and that feels so good - Thanks.

Like a ghost ship tossed upon the sea, with no anchor to keep me still. I've wandered too and fro, with no heading to take me home.  Endless days turns into nights, where nothings wrong and nothings right.  What it means I just don't know, as I drift past endless shores.

In this dream I'm still not free, as I wander endlessly. Surely Heaven only knows where I was meant to be.

But I have felt the rain, the sun shining down on my face, I have felt the pain and I have felt God's Grace.

Like a gentle rain, falls on the window pane, above my head, somehow it all makes sense.


( Woke up hearing music in my head which hasn't happened for quite awhile, so I started writing this down based on what I've experienced lately. It's still an unfinished song, but it gives me hope. )  ;D

Hey Cap'n Dave, great start for a song, and it sounds like a good one for us boaters!
Those experiences come out in some cool ways for us, and lyrics are very artistic!
I wonder if Noah brought along a musician and his wife, as two of every kind, I was a drummer for a while, and we ARE animals, right?!?!?!:D
Pleasant dreams,
Littleenki

Quote from: rdunk on April 20, 2012, 05:02:15 AM
Undo11, Why? Me thinks the answer to that question (if there is one) is very dependent, and variable, upon who is responding, and their individual understandings, and belief systems.

As humans, we absolutely can take ourselves down every thought process, and just accept or reject what our mind is presented. This innate ability is really a great thing, except, unbridled and unguided, it can take us completely away from reality, and into areas of "weird and confused". There are so many "tangents" in what I would term "normal life", keeping straight definitely needs attention, but, when dealing with the fields of "strange", I think we can get derailed even more easily.

Even on a discussion forum like this, everyone is different, with not just a few being "very different". That can be good for us, with each presenting their views on each subject, but, it can become bad for us, if we cannot, or if we refuse, to differentiate between what is "reality", what is "posi-reality", and what is "fairy tale/make believe". What makes this even more difficult is that sometimes "reality" can look/seem pretty weird, while at other times the "fairy tale" can just make us feel good.

So, at times, it can get pretty difficult to stay "straight", especially when there is significant emphasis leading us otherwise - maybe more-so today, than ever before.

Undo11, like you, I have a soft heart too. I have a distaste for killing animals for sport, although I have in the past. But, there is a reason animals and fish are here, and most all of them are in the food chain, of other animals (even the animals know that), and/or of humans. That is simply a part of life on this planet, as it has always existed. Regarding "ants", well, you cry when one dies, and the Ant Eater eats all he can find. And I, because the fire ants here in Texas are everywhere, and leave a sore on me when one stings me, I kill them by the thousands at a time, in their mounds. They can be extremely dangerous for many elements of our lives including people, children  and livestock (of which I have none).

Most people (adults) are intelligent enough to know a "Pied Piper" when we see one. On the other hand, a "wolf in sheep's clothing" can be hard to discern. That is why it is so important for us to "find that solid rock", and for us "to stay grounded with and in it", regardless of what may come our way. Then we don't have to be bothered with some of the really "nitnoy stuff", like whether ants live or die, or whether there are actual aliens or not, or, whether there is "actually gravity" or not.

There are some things that we should just KNOW, and we should stand on those things, while listening to and dealing with things that don't fit that description. Stand firm in your own mind, and just don't be bothered by that other stuff!!!

All IMVHO!  ;)

Just wanted to give a big thumbs up to all of that! 
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The only way to truly understand something is to look at it from all perspectives. At the end of the day, I just pick one and roll with it.

Quote from: NewTheories on April 20, 2012, 09:07:09 PM
He is inadvertently promoting lazy thinking, if not also saying not to think as well in places.

Maybe the above is just "lazy posting"!  ;) Just kidding!!!

NewTheories, if the quoted comment is made relative to what I said, in the post you quoted - I certainly did not intend to say to "not think"! What I thought I said, (in different words) is to have an open mind, but to filter everything that is said, relative to what you KNOW, and relative to what you BELIEVE.

NewTheories,  you are certainly welcome to think everything I said is "WRONG", as you said in a prior reply, but that then is just you, putting your "filter" on what someone else has said. That is just what I was suggesting that everyone needs to do, to maintain sense and sensibility relative to this very chaotic day and time, and relative to the broad diversity of belief systems prevalent in discussion forums, such as this.

Animals are animals! Humans are humans! And God is God!!!!!!! Now go filter that!!!  ;D ;D

Quote from: Littleenki on April 21, 2012, 12:03:14 AM
Hey Cap'n Dave, great start for a song, and it sounds like a good one for us boaters!
Those experiences come out in some cool ways for us, and lyrics are very artistic!
I wonder if Noah brought along a musician and his wife, as two of every kind, I was a drummer for a while, and we ARE animals, right?!?!?!:D
Pleasant dreams,
Littleenki

Yeah I wonder what the daily life was like on Noah's boat?

Wish you were here, I just don't do drums well. I started recording a little of that song today, so I won't forget it (sounds a little like a sting song). Will upload it when finished.

Thanks for the positive influences!
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Quote from: Captain Dave on April 21, 2012, 12:06:42 AM
Just wanted to give a big thumbs up to all of that! 
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Bluebird/ying-yang.gif)
The only way to truly understand something is to look at it from all perspectives. At the end of the day, I just pick one and roll with it.

Thanks Captain, for the "thumbs up. And you kinda said what I did, but you were somehow able to say it in a lot fewer words than I did!!!  ;D ;D

Quote from: Amaterasu on April 20, 2012, 10:57:32 PM
Would it be beyond the reasonable to request specifics?  WHERE do You see Him inadvertently doing this?  What statements were made that lead You to believe these things, and how do You figure it all?

Yes, because i would rather you learn how to think for yourself, his post was just a example.

I think The Matrix Traveller has said the sole purpose of this programme is to make people think or question?.

Ask Yourself the Right Questions and you will get the Right Answers.

Quote from: Captain Dave on April 21, 2012, 12:18:47 AM
Yeah I wonder what the daily life was like on Noah's boat?

Wish you were here, I just don't do drums well. I started recording a little of that song today, so I won't forget it (sounds a little like a sting song). Will upload it when finished.

Thanks for the positive influences!
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Awesome, Cap'n Dave, I cant wait to hear it!  Being a sailor calls for a guitar and some tunes, it makes the cruise go better every time!

I dont think my drumming style would be too appropriate, as I played mostly double kick, and four toms with a double kettle...can you say Slipknot-psychosocial?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wws7mnMewPw

Damn I wish I could play like that still!!!

When I played with a small garage band, the guitarists had to crank their amps to keep up with my playing. They were so pissed that every time I rolled the double kick, all the shit in the garage would rattle like crazy!LOL!
So, we ended up playing a lot of easier stuff, like ironically the police, one of my favorites, and also a lot of Journey as the ladies dug it!

Heres a song for the flood thread, too, a good one, Flood by Jars of Clay
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfAhpX_wIBk

I bet I could still play that line....LOL!

Whats your favorite style? If I were a guitarist Id have to pick a few faves, like Vai, Malmsteen, and of course Zappa!

If Noah had a band on the Ark, it wouldve been so cool to listen as we drifted across the flooded worlds oceans, and what is a cruise without a crooner? :D
Cheers!
Littleenki

But you must never never Whistle at Sea..... or you will whistle up a Wind ...

One ol sea dog to another.    :D

Quote from: The Matrix Traveller on April 21, 2012, 03:24:44 AM
But you must never never Whistle at Sea..... or you will whistle up a Wind ...

One ol sea dog to another.    :D

I've heard that, but never tried it. Have to give it a shot the next time I'm out and the wind dies.  :)

During hurricane Ike, there was a point when I thought we might just lose the boat, right about then Welcome to the Machine came on.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5jRewnxSBY
It was perfect timing. Winds screaming so loudly they moved every inch of the boat... You could feel all that FORCE, hitting us like an unending blast of Earths own breath... Swells Raising the big ole heavy hull up in the air and dropping her like a rock... half tipped over... Praying to God and making promises was about all we could do! lol

I remember looking at my first mate (wife) and seeing how nervous she was while we were looking out the hatch and I told her - Honey just pretend it blows like this everyday and get used to it, like it's a normal thing. (Seemed to work for both of us! lol)

LOL...

I know that feeling well Captain.

It soon sobers one up...  :D

Quote from: Littleenki on April 21, 2012, 02:46:39 AM
Whats your favorite style? If I were a guitarist Id have to pick a few faves, like Vai, Malmsteen, and of course Zappa!

If Noah had a band on the Ark, it wouldve been so cool to listen as we drifted across the flooded worlds oceans, and what is a cruise without a crooner? :D
Cheers!
Littleenki

There are too many to list on favorites, I have heard so many awesome styles! If I had to pick one though, it would be David Gilmour because their music feels the most like an old friend and has always touched my soul.

I've been playing guitar and singing since I was about six years old and it was always the most powerful draw in my life. Started playing piano before that. I came up with a style like grunge back in the early 80's, but something always stopped me from getting where I needed to be. Life always seems to get in the way.

---

A friend of mine that I used to play guitar with in Grade school lives out in LA now and just released this one...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXihUNY9GZc
His name is Rich Jacques, the lead singer/guitarist in the video...Super cool guy.

---

(I played with a band like that slipknot vid as the lead singer... too much screaming for me... The parts where the vocals are clean though sound better to me. Nice drums though!)

Mr Jacques has a fine band there, Capn, he should go far with that song, it's very nice and has a poetry feel to it, along with a powerful message in three words, Give it All, the only way to Get it All, right? :D

And yes, I wish Corey from slipknot would confine his voice to one style, as the screaming and the smooth dont really mix that well for me, it's either death metal or folk music for me, but never a mixture! LOL!

Heres his new band, and although their a bit heavy, listen to the difference from slipknot, and its a big change for him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEn-nTkbEM0

Now thats better, Corey!(except for the little autotuned part I could do without)

Once again, interesting drum line....classic surf styling switchbeats with a rock bass line.


Cheers, and now its off to work, talk to ya later!
Littleenki

rdunk,

i've been pondering what you said and this is my take on it:

ancient texts actually defend each other.  they are not as opposite as we've been lead to believe.  for example, the sumerian-akkadian texts tell the same or similar stories to those told in the bible, as do some of the babylonian texts, assyrian texts, ugaritic texts (<---have you read the ugaritic texts?) and definitely, egyptian texts. 

if jehovah was only one god, how do we end up with three?  and if those three are one, then how do we end up with three parts all claiming to be the same individual.  jesus was praying to himself?   we've just gotten stuck in a singular way of reading ancient texts, either as myth or as half truth or as full truth but, in only one way and one way only, even if there's oodles of texts that suggest otherwise in the same book. that's an incorrect approach, i do believe.   

there's a reason for everything in the text and to ignore one part because it doesn't fit another, suggests making excuses for it and it doesn't need us to make excuses for it.  it needs us to learn it and find out why it says what it says.   cause generational layering can screw things up mightily.   let me give you an example:

how many animals got on the ark with noah? 

take your time.

There are Different "Fathers" for example.

Found in the writings just some of the different ones.   :D

a.    The Father
b.    Our Father.
c.     My Father.
d.    The Father IN Me (Referred to, by "Jesus The Carpenter").
e.    My (Outer or Farther away) Father i.e. I GO to my Father. and "I Come From The Father" and in other cases The Father.

The same is found in God.

a.    God
b.    The Lord God.
c.    The WORD (In the beginning was the "WORD" and The "WORD" was GOD.)
d.    My God.
e     Your Father
f.     God The Father
g.    God The Son.
h.    God the Holy Spirit
i.     god/s

In Genesis it is written :"Let Us make MAN (NOT A' DAM) in Our Image". etc etc.

These 2 are...

1.    The WORD.
and
2.    The LIFE of God (The only begotten of "The WORD") i.e. The LIGHT of MAN
and NOT A' DAM the Damned One i.e the Flesh.

Quote from: The Matrix Traveller on April 22, 2012, 02:15:45 AM
There are Different "Fathers" for example.

Found in the writings just some of the different ones.   :D

a.    The Father
b.    Our Father.
c.     My Father.
d.    The Father IN Me (Referred to, by "Jesus The Carpenter").
e.    My (Outer or Farther away) Father i.e. I GO to my Father. and "I Come From The Father" and in other cases The Father.

The same is found in God.

a.    God
b.    The Lord God.
c.    The WORD (In the beginning was the "WORD" and The "WORD" was GOD.)
d.    My God.
e     Your Father
f.     God The Father
g.    God The Son.
h.    God the Holy Spirit
i.     god/s

In Genesis it is written :"Let Us make MAN (NOT A' DAM) in Our Image". etc etc.

These 2 are...

1.    The WORD.
and
2.    The LIFE of God (The only begotten of "The WORD") i.e. The LIGHT of MAN
and NOT A' DAM the Damned One i.e the Flesh.

?  it says adam because it's a reference to atum, the egyptian god of creation.   the translators just had a hard time differentiating adam-god and adam-clone of god. not to mention, adam is a plural word.  it was not 'MAN' it was adam.   most of the torah is an egyptian book, written in hebrew.

A' DAM and MAN are entirely different "Entities".

Just Change the Fonts into the ZION Language (NOT Hebrew), Lay down
and Sup with "The MAN Child" or "The Son of MAN" NOT A' DAM (Rotate the Fonts)
and the Secret is Revealed.    :D

When in The ZION Language it is Plain to understand.

The "Geometric Algorithms"

a.    A' DAM
and
b.    MAN

are totally Different.

correct, sorta (as far as a'dam and man being different).

first there were the adam (plural) gods.  they were male and female.  don't ask me, i'm just telling you what the text says.
the adam race was copied (cloned ) in their images.  males and females were called adam in the text. it's not talking about humans yet, but rather, the original "copies" of adam (atum) the god of creation.   the adam race (copies) were as yet, not in their "Fallen" state. 

then dna was added that gave the female adam the ability to procreate.  the premise was, if they had "animal like intercourse" they could be like the adam-gods and create copies of themselves.  but the adam-gods didn't procreate via intercourse but rather via cloning.  there was no pain in childbirth because new adam were created by cloning them.

  this dna to give them the procreative ability was apparently mammalian.   the mammalian body is the "flesh".   one of the adam-gods apparently warned them that having such flesh would be a sure death sentence.  they went along with it anyway.  now the adam-gods had a pow-wow and said, we can't have our clones running all over the place, with eternally regenerating bodies, procreating like crazy.  so they  called for a nerf to the adam race (clones).  it even lays this out very precisely in the text of genesis.

when a generation of female adams capable of mammalian  procreation were introduced, this is the first time you see a splittling between the adam references of male and female adam.  now you have adams on one side, who are male, and eves on the other, who are female.  when they procreate the next generation of adams are now part mammal part adam, with the nerf in place, to keep us from procreating like mad and filling up the universe in a couple thousand years (exaggeration but not much lol)

Quote from: undo11 on April 22, 2012, 01:42:04 AM
rdunk,

I've been pondering what you said and this is my take on it:

ancient texts actually defend each other.  they are not as opposite as we've been lead to believe.  for example, the sumerian-akkadian texts tell the same or similar stories to those told in the bible, as do some of the Babylonian texts, Assyrian texts, ugaritic texts (<---have you read the ugaritic texts?) and definitely, Egyptian texts. 

if Jehovah was only one god, how do we end up with three?  and if those three are one, then how do we end up with three parts all claiming to be the same individual.  Jesus was praying to himself?   we've just gotten stuck in a singular way of reading ancient texts, either as myth or as half truth or as full truth but, in only one way and one way only, even if there's oodles of texts that suggest otherwise in the same book. that's an incorrect approach, i do believe.   

there's a reason for everything in the text and to ignore one part because it doesn't fit another, suggests making excuses for it and it doesn't need us to make excuses for it.  it needs us to learn it and find out why it says what it says.   cause generational layering can screw things up mightily.   let me give you an example:

how many animals got on the ark with Noah? 

take your time.

Hi undo1 I will comment on your question about "how many animals got on the ark with Noah" first. Of course, as you likely know, God told Noah in two different places how many of each kind to bring on the ark. In Genesis 6, God specified  "two of all living creatures, male and female". Then in Genesis 7, God specifies "2 - Take with you seven pairs of every kind of clean animal, a male and its mate, and one pair of every kind of unclean animal, a male and its mate, 3 - and also seven pairs of every kind of bird, male and female".

To me, I do not see God's instructions as contradictory. I rather see them as the same basic instruction, with Genesis 7 being complimentary to the instructions in Genesis 6, with broadened specific detail. For me, I accept that God did it that way for very specific reason, which very well may have been for, as stated in Isaiah 25:7"

"25[I am the Lord] Who frustrates the signs and confounds the omens [upon which the false prophets' forecasts of the future are based] of the [boasting] liars and makes fools of diviners, Who turns the wise backward and makes their knowledge foolishness".

Who can discern (or know) the mind of God?? IMO, anyone that does does try may very well find disappointment.

Now, for me, my comments on your "animal question" pretty much encompass my thoughts on your other comments, made relative to your "pondering" and "take" on what I had said.  :D

I accept what is termed the "Word of God", as is consolidated in a book called the Bible. But God's word is not confined to the written page, because it is termed in the Bible scripture, "to be alive, and sharper than a two edged sword". Thus, as God is everywhere (omnipresent), so is his Word!!

So, for me, I have no interest in trying to prove what must be accepted on the basis of "faith". I am confident there is much to be found, if searched out, to bring to question various elements of God's Word. But then the bible itself is full of such actions on the parts of those who believed otherwise, ie, contrary to God's word. On that point, I suppose the next similar thread we could title, "Was The Parting of The Red Sea, and the Death of Pharaoh's Army, Fact of fiction"??  ;)

Undo, there is probably no acceptable/complete simple answer on your seeming points of paradox regarding what you understand from the Bible.  Just getting something written down, by man (as the Spirit guided), that all men (includes women) could somewhat understand was probably a monumental task, maybe even for God.

Relative to the "Trinity", God is God! He had a plan from the beginning, and that plan had to include making a way for overcoming man's drastic act of disobedience in the Garden. That "way" had to include a "risen Savior", and God's promise of that Holy Spirit (Comforter) which is the "earnest" of our inheritance until the redemption (Eph. 1:13-14). I just accept that "God's way is God's way". Sure does make it sweet and simple!!!

One other thing on the animals - have you noticed the New International translation describes the animals by saying pairs of all creatures that have the breath of life in them "came to Noah"? That would indicate that somehow the animals were told by God to go to Noah. In earlier Genesis scripture, God did speak to the animals, so there is no reason to conclude otherwise here. An interesting thought, I think! Would have been a bit hard for Noah to do the roundup himself, since he was working on the ark for 120 years, a period of time which would equal several generations of all of the animals.

;D ;D

Quote from: rdunk on April 22, 2012, 05:36:22 AM
Hi undo1 I will comment on your question about "how many animals got on the ark with Noah" first. Of course, as you likely know, God told Noah in two different places how many of each kind to bring on the ark. In Genesis 6, God specified  "two of all living creatures, male and female". Then in Genesis 7, God specifies "2 - Take with you seven pairs of every kind of clean animal, a male and its mate, and one pair of every kind of unclean animal, a male and its mate, 3 - and also seven pairs of every kind of bird, male and female".

To me, I do not see God's instructions as contradictory. I rather see them as the same basic instruction, with Genesis 7 being complimentary to the instructions in Genesis 6, with broadened specific detail. For me, I accept that god did it that way for very specific reason, which very well may have been for, as stated in Isaiah 25:7"

"25[I am the Lord] Who frustrates the signs and confounds the omens [upon which the false prophets' forecasts of the future are based] of the [boasting] liars and makes fools of diviners, Who turns the wise backward and makes their knowledge foolishness".

Who can discern (or know) the mind of God?? IMO, anyone that does does try may very well find disappointment.

Now, for me, my comments on your "animal question" pretty much encompass my thoughts on your other comments, made relative to your "pondering" and "take" on what I had said.  :D

I accept what is termed the "Word of God", as is consolidated in a book called the Bible. But God's word is not confined to the written page, because it is termed in the Bible scripture, "to be alive, and sharper than a two edged sword". Thus, as God is everywhere (omnipresent), so is his Word!!

So, for me, I have no interest in trying to prove what must be accepted on the basis of "faith". I am confident there is much to be found, if searched out, to bring to question various elements of God's Word. But then the bible itself is full of such actions on the parts of those who believed otherwise, ie, contrary to God's word. On that point, I suppose the next similar thread we could title, "Was The Parting of The Red Sea, and the Death of Pharaoh's Army, Fact of fiction"??  ;)

Undo, there is probably no acceptable/complete simple answer on you seeming points of paradox regarding what you understand from the Bible.  Just getting something written down, by man (as the Spirit guided), that all men (includes women) could somewhat understand was probably a monumental task, maybe even for God.

Relative to the "Trinity", God is God! He had a plan form the beginning, and that plan had to include making a way for overcoming man's drastic act of disobedience in the Garden. That "way" had to include a "risen savior", and God's promise of that Holy Spirit (Comforter) which is the "earnest" of our inheritance until the redemption (Eph. 1:13-14). I just accept that "God's way is God's way". Sure does make it sweet and simple!!!

One other thing on the animals - have you noticed the New International translation describes the animals by saying pairs of all creatures that have the breath of life in them "came to Noah"? That would indicate that somehow the animals were told by God to go to Noah. In earlier Genesis scripture, God did speak to the animals, so there is no reason to conclude otherwise here. An interesting thought, I think! Would have been a bit hard for Noah to do the roundup himself, since he was working on the ark for 120 years, a period of time which would equal several generations of all of the animals.

;D ;D

it isn't contradictory. the word all wasn't in the original language of the text there.  my theory is, somebody added it into one of the translations as a result of not understanding the context of "earth" being "soil" not "earth" being the name of the planet at the time.  also, since earth is the soil, and not the planet, when it says the earth was flooded, it just means the land, as far as they could see, and that is now proven to be a scientifically validated event, called the black sea flood.  bugger buried ancient sumer under 8 feet of flood silt. would've been catastrophic.

yeah you are sort of onto it.    :D

Note the writings refer to "The Return of The Son of MAN" NOT the Son of A' DAM.

Note we have MAN & WO-MAN..

In A' DAM's case it is different.

Note; how A' DAM is written  A'    DAM.

NOT Adam.

I write these "Titles" in upper Caps as this is how they were originally written, and later on
Lower caps were introduced.

The Structure of the Words came from and using the Original ZION Glyphs which were used
in a much different way than the Languages we write in today.

The Change came about from BABYLON.

Which originally came From "The House of David" Nothing at all to do with King David later
on in the writings.

"The ROOT of DAVID" is actually "The Bright and Early Morning Star" mentioned In
"The Revelation of Jesus Christ", in the last Chapter of the Roman bible Ch. 22 verse 16.

Today some claim "The Bright and Early Morning Star" as being Venus, which plainly NOT True.

The First "Star", (Nothing at all to do with Stars in any Universe.) was a "6 Pointed Star"
that was used to access Libraries of LIFE in the Beginning of "The ALL".

2 ION Greek "Delta" one inverted over the other gives a 6 Pointed Star, which is the ZION "Delta".
The ION Greek "Delta" is 1/2 of the original ZION language "Delta Star".
The First of the Angels also mentioned in Chapters 1 & 2 of "The Revelation of Jesus Christ",
who were told to repent i.e. Change.

Please do NOT confuse "Angels" with "Watchers" as they are Totally Different from each other...

The "Alpha" came out of this "Delta Star".

So the "Delta" and "Alpha" Stars are actually the Same, because of the Marriage between these 2.

This is why the "Alpha" Star is known also as "The Bride" and "The Bride Groom".
They are truly ONE.

If we take the ancient ION Greek "Alpha" laying on its side, i.e laying down to Sup,
and take a copy of this, invert the same image, and lay it over the first "Alpha",
we get that 6 Pointed Star again...  :D

In the ZION Language which I will show how this is obtained displaying the Fonts in an "Animation",
Which I will make up shortly for you, showing where they Came from, ZION into ION Greek,
where also "Demotic Egyptian" writing came from (Different than what is taught today.)

The 2 Titles are A' DAM & EVE are different.

But in the Case of WO-MAN & MAN they both incorporate the title MAN.

The Latter is Married where the Former (Flesh is NOT married but instead these 2 cleave to each other)

The descendants of A' DAM and EVE have coveted the "Title", MAN & WO-MAN.

This is why the "Carpenter/Builder" Jesus, referred to "The Return of the Son of MAN"
and NOT The Return of The Son of A' DAM.

Clear as Mud ?   ;D

My writing is very, very, poor, so please excuse my poor communication, but I have tried my best for you.   :D

Perhaps this will be easier to understand in "Animation" Form ?   ;D

the problem you're most likely encountering is called english translation. 

wo-man was not a word in hebrew. it's an english word.
the word for wo-man in the original hebrew was not even remotely similar to the word for man in original hebrew.  and the word for eve was not the same as the word for woman because eve was the first "wife" (mom), the first female human to give birth to a copy of herself and her mate (an adam) via sexual intercourse, 9 month gestation and vaginal delivery. 

and the word for man, had two possible translations.  any time the english text says man, check it to see what the original word was there.  some "man" examples are from the word "adam" and some "man" examples are from the word "enowsh".  for example, the men who came to see abraham in his tent, who he called various things such as adonai, yahweh, adam and enowsh.  i think this is another example of how generational layering has effected the meaning of the text.

the translators had their jobs cut out for them.  that was not an easy task.  let's look at the word for woman in the creation of the eve, verse:

'ishshah

how does one get ishshah out of adam?

these verses are extremely condensed. 

and i will explain now (which proves adam was atum (et.al a group of creator gods that the adam race was made in the image of)

the only way to get "woman" out of "man" in the "word" sense of the original text language, is if you realize  "eve" is "chavvah" and "chavvah" is from "chavah" and "chavah" is from "havah" and "havah" is from hayah and hayah is jehovah and jehovah is at least 3 gods.   it's telling you right there that eve was from jehovah, in the sense of "taken out of" not in the sense of "hey, here's a gift adam. a wifey, have fun."  lol

now how in the sam hill did eve "come from god" if she came from man ? cause that's the idea of them stating "Woman" from "Man"  but it ain't woman from man, it's woman from atum.   i can tell ya!  it's because the original adam was atum (both plural words), et.al, the egyptian gods of creatiion. 

the translators didn't know what to make of it, exactly, so they probably debated, asked some jewish scholars of their day, and that was the result :

chavah came from adam, when more precisely it should read:

chavah (chayah) came from havah (hayah).

remember what "god" told moses when he asked him who he should say sent him to the people with the 10 commandments?  he said he was

hayah asher hayah. 

biggggggggggggggggggg clue.

Hi Undo11,

Quotethe problem you're most likely encountering is called english translation.

wo-man was not a word in hebrew. it's an english word.

Sorry I obviously didn't make it clear enough for You...


This knowledge has absolutely Nothing at all to do with Translations !


It has to do with the "Geometric" Understanding of The Glyphs and their origin.

I am Referring to The ZION Language NOT... I Repeat NOT "Hebrew".

The ZION Language, is NOT a Language of the "Primate Species".

So it Can't be translated into any other Language.

The Knowledge here.... is to do with GEOMETRY and "The Processing System" of LIFE,
i.e. The LIGHT of MAN, NOT A' DAM & EVE and their  descendants who currently populate the Earth.

You Languages are the Result of the Programs of LIFE.

Human Kind does NOT Create anything All is Inspired by "The One True Mind"
i.e. "Awareness" or LIFE and NOT The "Flesh" as humans desperately desire to believe.

Languages are Inspired by "The True Mind" not the Human Species...

(hint: chavah was made in the image of atum (god) not in the image of adam (man).  now i'm not saying this means god is a woman.  what i'm saying is, it proves the original adam (atum)  were both male and female, and their subsequent creations, were both male and female.  the translators and scribes down thru the ages, just had trouble separating adam(atum)-god from adam-man, so they smashed it all together in their translations. )

Quote from: The Matrix Traveller on April 22, 2012, 08:27:37 AM
Hi Undo11,


Sorry I obviously didn't make it clear enough for You...


This knowledge has absolutely Nothing at all to do with Translations !


It has to do with the "Geometric" Understanding of The Glyphs and their origin.

I am Referring to The ZION Language NOT... I Repeat NOT "Hebrew".

The ZION Language, is NOT a Language of the "Primate Species".

So it Can't be translated into any other Language.

The Knowledge here.... is to do with GEOMETRY and "The Processing System" of LIFE,
i.e. The LIGHT of MAN, NOT A' DAM & EVE and their  descendants who currently populate the Earth.

when you quote the english text, you put your foot in the door of translation problems.

Quote from: undo11 on April 22, 2012, 08:29:54 AM
when you quote the english text, you put your foot in the door of translation problems.

Please read again. But This Time without preconceived beliefs.

Quotewhen you quote the english text, you put your foot in the door of translation problems.

NO... You did NOT Understand what I was saying...  Sorry.   :(

QuoteThis is why the "Carpenter/Builder" Jesus, referred to "The Return of the Son of MAN"
and NOT The Return of The Son of A' DAM.

second atum.   (he calls himself that).

how can jesus be the second adam and god at the same time? easy peasy.  atum=adam, plural words meaning gods.
adam race = clones and then humans, made in the image of the adam/atum.

the return of the second atum.  who was the first atum? :D

Quotehow can jesus be the second adam and god at the same time? easy peasy.  atum=adam, plural words meaning gods.

How the Hell do you arrive at this Interpretation ?   :(

Are You  telling me, you only know the Dead and have NO Knowledge of "The Place of LIFE",
or even The ZION language ?

In other words You only know the "Flesh" and NOT "The Place of LIFE" ?

I find this hard to believe !

I sincerely Hope you do know, "The Place of LIFE".

Quote from: The Matrix Traveller on April 22, 2012, 09:39:05 AM
How the Hell do you arrive at this Interpretation ?   :(

Are You  telling me, you only know the Dead and have NO Knowledge of "The Place of LIFE",
or even The ZION language ?

In other words You only know the "Flesh" and NOT "The Place of LIFE" ?

I find this hard to believe !

I sincerely Hope you do know, "The Place of LIFE".

not sure about the zion language, no. what is the zion language?

Sorry Undo11 Not sure how you made the Comments you did when are NOT Familiar with The ZION Language ?

But anyway I was trying to explain something you are Not aware of.

Please go back and read very, very, Carefully what I had written regarding the ZION Language.

But don't try and mix it with your own understanding.

Keep it separate...

This is about something you are NOT Aware of, but please, this certainly
does NOT say, I don't know what I am Talking about.

Those who have Witnessed "The LIGHT" i.e. "The Place of LIFE" will be able to follow what I have written and may even understand.

It does NOT come from any human origin, neither is it taught by the human Primate,
but rather can be found in "The Book of LIFE" NOT found on Earth,
except in the form of "Parables" Inspired by "The Tue Mind", or "Awareness"
sometimes referred to as "The LIFE of God" in Ancient writings.

as to how i came up with that interpretation:

"m" denotes plural.
this is why "elohim" is plural,  nephilim is plural, etc.
there was more than one adam and there was more than one gender of adam and more than one kind of adam.  there were female adam and male adam. there were the adam gods (atum) and the adam race (adam).  the race of adam were made in the image of adam.  that's gotta be why the translators had trouble with it.  how can adam be made in the image of himself?  no wonder the egyptians said that atum was "self-created."   adam - god is not the same as adam - man.   also explains why eve ends up being made in the image of adam-man instead of adam-god because they didn't understand that adam-god was not the same as adam-man.

moses was raised egyptian, not to mention his ancestors in his family tree from noah, settled in egypt and ethiopia after the flood.   they would've taken the same stories that ended up in the text of the bible, with them to egypt and ethiopia.  moses would've learned it from those texts in egypt and from his own hebrew family as well.  he would call the gods of creation - atum, because that was the egyptian word for the gods of creation.  well, to be precise, the actual egyptian word is more like "tm"  (tum or tem. they were also pretty much voweless like the hebrews).

sorta how we call a hebrew deity "god" and an egyptian deity "god" and a hindu deity "god" etc.   moses was relating the creation as the people he was leading out of egypt, would've recognized it, with egyptian words, translated into hebrew.   the hebrews added their own flavor by using their own language variants and cultural variants, many of which originally derived from the same place -- et. al, sumer. 

i just connected the dots.   

Quote from: The Matrix Traveller on April 22, 2012, 11:29:22 AM
Sorry Undo11 Not sure how you made the Comments you did when are NOT Familiar with The ZION Language ?

But anyway I was trying to explain something you are Not aware of.

Please go back and read very, very, Carefully what I had written regarding the ZION Language.

But don't try and mix it with your own understanding.

Keep it separate...

This is about something you are NOT Aware of, but please, this certainly
does NOT say, I don't know what I am Talking about.

Those who have Witnessed "The LIGHT" i.e. "The Place of LIFE" will be able to follow what I have written and may even understand.

It does NOT come from any human origin, neither is it taught by the human Primate,
but rather can be found in "The Book of LIFE" NOT found on Earth,
except in the form of "Parables" Inspired by "The Tue Mind", or "Awareness"
sometimes referred to as "The LIFE of God" in Ancient writings.

it's very interesting!
i understand that this flesh body is a primate.  i also understand that i have a spirit body which is not a primate. 
i still don't know what the language of zion is.

Hi undo11,

Here are a couple of Mosaics showing some examples of these Glyphs.

The first attachment shows the Letter "Z" on Jesus Gown.

In ION Greek Zeta Alpha Omega as well as Zeta Omega Omega means LIFE.

In the ZION Language "Z" Means LIFE. It is a Rotation of the "N" (To do with the Dance)

The Second shows Letters or Glyphs on these ones Gowns.

There are thousands of other photos on the net showing the ZION Language
displayed in Icons ans Mosaics, in ancient churches, Monasteries, Cathedrals etc.

The written Demotic Egyptian Language also came from The ZION Language.

Quote from: The Matrix Traveller on April 22, 2012, 12:14:54 PM
Hi undo11,

Here are a couple of Mosaics showing some examples of these Glyphs.

The first attachment shows the Letter "Z" on Jesus Gown.

In ION Greek Zeta Alpha Omega as well as Zeta Omega Omega means LIFE.

In the ZION Language "Z" Means LIFE. It is a Rotation of the "N" (To do with the Dance)

The Second shows Letters or Glyphs on these ones Gowns.

There are thousands of other photos on the net showing the ZION Language
displayed in Icons ans Mosaics, in ancient churches, Monasteries, Cathedrals etc.

The written Demotic Egyptian Language also came from The ZION Language.

what about the glyphs connects them to a language not on this planet , found in a book, not on this planet, relating to LIFE (apparently not on this planet?) ?

Hello Undo and Matrix, nice to see you both playing "Nicely"!! LOL I have been following this thread with skepticism, but that is because of my personal acceptance of such trivial "Reach for the sky" answer's. There are no real winner's in this pissing contest, only self interpreted ideologies of what  is and what is not self consciously correct.
The whole Noah's ark thing has been left to the translators of such topics, though I do believe that there was something that was suppose too have taken place, and regardless of the A'dam/Adam or any of that kind of affiliation has anything at all too do with the Flood stories, other than they are recorded into religious texts, there is no real bearing of a conclusive and absolute argument.
All religions stem from one incident, that be the Apocryphal moment, it has been essentially lost to time of what had endured such self awareness for the ancients.
It would be very cool if they could produce absolute evidence of the Ark story, but, I have a feeling they never will, not definitively anyway.
Nice too see you both here though... ;)

Quoteit's very interesting!
i understand that this flesh body is a primate.  i also understand that i have a spirit body which is not a primate.

This is why I was puzzled by you Comments...

Because you do know the Difference between LIFE and "Flesh".    ;D

 

Quotei still don't know what the language of zion is.

I was trying to explain this to you a few posts ago.

The ZION Language is "The WORD of God". i.e. the Communication of God.

This is why it is Written Jesus was the WORD made Flesh.

In other words God is LIVING Communication...

See "The Gospel According to John" Ch. 1 verses 1 to 13.

He tells you what GOD is.

Now go back to my post referring to The Gospel According to John Ch. 1

Look I am NOT trying to be a know it all I am just trying to share a little knowledge
I received from "The LIGHT" i.e. "The LIFE of GOD".

First here is the "Gama"  for the "G" in English for the Word God.

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/48matrix_traveller/images/002_Gamma.gif)

Second is the "Omega" for the "O"

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/48matrix_traveller/images/003_Omega.gif)

and the Delta. or "D".

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/48matrix_traveller/images/004_Delta.gif)

And Now the Glyphs added together to Produce the Geometric Algorithm in ZION,
which is the Root of ALL experienced is produced through
"The WORD of God"..

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/48matrix_traveller/images/005_G_O_D.gif)

Quote from: 1Worldwatcher on April 22, 2012, 12:23:15 PM
Hello Undo and Matrix, nice to see you both playing "Nicely"!! LOL I have been following this thread with skepticism, but that is because of my personal acceptance of such trivial "Reach for the sky" answer's. There are no real winner's in this pissing contest, only self interpreted ideologies of what  is and what is not self consciously correct.
The whole Noah's ark thing has been left to the translators of such topics, though I do believe that there was something that was suppose too have taken place, and regardless of the A'dam/Adam or any of that kind of affiliation has anything at all too do with the Flood stories, other than they are recorded into religious texts, there is no real bearing of a conclusive and absolute argument.
All religions stem from one incident, that be the Apocryphal moment, it has been essentially lost to time of what had endured such self awareness for the ancients.
It would be very cool if they could produce absolute evidence of the Ark story, but, I have a feeling they never will, not definitively anyway.
Nice too see you both here though... ;)

Most of this I agree with.... good comments.

But regarding The ZION Language, (NOT Hebrew) now that is a different matter...  :D

Quotewhat about the glyphs connects them to a language not on this planet , found in a book, not on this planet, relating to LIFE (apparently not on this planet?) ?

"The Book of LIFE" is found in the Libraries of EVERY Soul Construct.

My Forums are about the "Processing System" of LIFE i.e. "Awareness".

I will be showing HOW to Access "The Book of LIFE".

Quote from: 1Worldwatcher on April 22, 2012, 12:23:15 PM
Hello Undo and Matrix, nice to see you both playing "Nicely"!! LOL I have been following this thread with skepticism, but that is because of my personal acceptance of such trivial "Reach for the sky" answer's. There are no real winner's in this pissing contest, only self interpreted ideologies of what  is and what is not self consciously correct.
The whole Noah's ark thing has been left to the translators of such topics, though I do believe that there was something that was suppose too have taken place, and regardless of the A'dam/Adam or any of that kind of affiliation has anything at all too do with the Flood stories, other than they are recorded into religious texts, there is no real bearing of a conclusive and absolute argument.
All religions stem from one incident, that be the Apocryphal moment, it has been essentially lost to time of what had endured such self awareness for the ancients.
It would be very cool if they could produce absolute evidence of the Ark story, but, I have a feeling they never will, not definitively anyway.
Nice too see you both here though... ;)

  just curious what the criteria is for reading the text, reaching a conclusion about what you read in the text, and sharing it with others, vs.  the "non-self-interpreted" version?  how do you show that your interpretation is not bad just because you interpret it?  what happens the minute somebody interprets something? does it like automatically go bad?

It's not about proving anything at all, but rather the exchange of Knowledge.

After all... ALL comes from the same place.... LIFE NOT the Flesh.   :D

Sorry I need to go get some "beauty sleep" for this old, old, old body...

I will continue with this later...

Please accept my apologies...

Quote from: The Matrix Traveller on April 22, 2012, 12:47:40 PM
It's not about proving anything at all, but rather the exchange of Knowledge.

After all... ALL comes from the same place.... LIFE NOT the Flesh.   :D

didn't ask you that question. 
i need to know, what qualifies some people to have interpretations but not others?  is there some super secret magic word ?

Quote from: undo11 on April 22, 2012, 12:50:04 PM
didn't ask you that question. 
i need to know, what qualifies some people to have interpretations but not others?  is there some super secret magic word ?

Sorry we got out of sync I was answering to 1Worldwatcher ...   ;D

re... It's not about proving anything at all, but rather the exchange of Knowledge.

After all... ALL comes from the same place.... LIFE NOT the Flesh.   :D

Now... I neeeeeed that "beauty sleep"....  ;D

Quotejust curious what the criteria is for reading the text, reaching a conclusion about what you read in the text, and sharing it with others, vs.  the "non-self-interpreted" version?

There is nothing tangible for any texts that were written, we have to remember that these stories were once thought of as lore by the very people that covet them today. They simply took the words for what they were conveying as most religions and cults have done for century's.
Not only that, this has nothing to do with the Ark story, if it was proven to be accurate with the deluge, then the story or incident you are speaking of didn't take place during that time period, it was much, much earlier and later depending who the actor is on the stage of conversation.

Quotehow do you show that your interpretation is not bad just because you interpret it?

I have interpreted nothing. I was merely pointing out the irresistible need to be correct of such matters. Matrix has a very good idea of what is being discussed, but it still doesn't pertain to the whole Ark story. Not saying your argument doesn't or shouldn't be merited, just that the time lines are absolutely obscured from one event too another.
That's all.

Quotewhat happens the minute somebody interprets something? does it like automatically go bad?

With out tangible evidence? Without full comprehension of all viable facts and evidence's too back them up? As I have said before, religions are derived from one and the same. It had a beginning, meaning 1 religion, and then from there it was distributed for the world as we know it today.
I usually don't talk religion-s, But I have been reading the posts here and wonder when we are going to get back on topic of OP thread. "Noah's Ark fact or Faked"?
What Jesus, Adam or A'dam have to do with the Ark is beyond my current understanding of such tales, but I think I know enough that the people mentioned were all related to Noah in one way or another, but weren't there for the deluge that was the new beginning of mankind.
Sorry if I came across wrong, I was merely stating my observation.
With respects,
1Worldwatcher

Quote from: 1Worldwatcher on April 22, 2012, 01:03:19 PM
There is nothing tangible for any texts that were written, we have to remember that these stories were once thought of as lore by the very people that covet them today. They simply took the words for what they were conveying as most religions and cults have done for century's.
Not only that, this has nothing to do with the Ark story, if it was proven to be accurate with the deluge, then the story or incident you are speaking of didn't take place during that time period, it was much, much earlier and later depending who the actor is on the stage of conversation.

I have interpreted nothing. I was merely pointing out the irresistible need to be correct of such matters. Matrix has a very good idea of what is being discussed, but it still doesn't pertain to the whole Ark story. Not saying your argument doesn't or shouldn't be merited, just that the time lines are absolutely obscured from one event too another.
That's all.

With out tangible evidence? Without full comprehension of all viable facts and evidence's too back them up? As I have said before, religions are derived from one and the same. It had a beginning, meaning 1 religion, and then from there it was distributed for the world as we know it today.
I usually don't talk religion-s, But I have been reading the posts here and wonder when we are going to get back on topic of OP thread. "Noah's Ark fact or Faked"?
What Jesus, Adam or A'dam have to do with the Ark is beyond my current understanding of such tales, but I think I know enough that the people mentioned were all related to Noah in one way or another, but weren't there for the deluge that was the new beginning of mankind.
Sorry if I came across wrong, I was merely stating my observation.
With respects,
1Worldwatcher

just out of curiosity, is there a tanglible, verifiable fact, older than like 1 minute ago?

First of all, WELCOME!
Indeed, 1WW, it's a quagmire of possibilities from the first moment in creation, as like with any tale passed from mouth to ear to print by us humans, will become a totally different story when it reaches the last person.

Yet, to achieve the progression of understanding we have, to declare something"definitively impossible to know" is practically impossible itself in this particular instance, as here on Pegasus, we are all about getting answers as to WHY?

Final decisons, and ominous declarations of any phase of this conversation will cause that progression to wane, and it isnt the direction for someone who has true interest in this subject to walk in. 

As far as ancient texts and the books of whatever religion are concerned,  semantics and non- stonewritten glyphery makes it all that much more mysterious for the next translator to grasp, and the twisting of the knowledge begins right there.

Undo and Matrix are both right in their views, and with good reason, they have been doing this research for years, and have seen the truth in the writings amongst the falsehoods, and disinformation.

Stonewritten Glyphs versus texts.

Those glyphs, in their pure form, such as most any found in the world, are just as they were written when carved into the stone they imprint.

Stonewritten glyphs havent been changed at all, and you know what they say, "If you want something to mean something to the next generation...carve it in stone."

So it's in our wheelhouse to open our minds, and accept that these glyphs are the only solid scripture there will ever be.
Steer your vessel into that channel of truth, and youll never hit bottom.
Glyphs are forever. An invitation to see what the folks back then were thinking, and decipher it how we may.
The glyphs still dont change, no matter what we determine them to say.
If we make the wrong translation of them, scribes dont rewrite them into the stone, as they do with texts. Unfortunately, glyphs can mean a dozen different things geographically speaking, and many glyphs are the same for different words within closely located ancient societies.

Now, when we approach the runway of texts, we can only skid off into the field of our own poor translations, and to fully translate any ancient text, is nearly impossible without a firm knowledge of the times, and the people who wrote them.

A firm knowledge of the times?
Undo has definitely met that criteria.
As has Matrix.

This knowledge of historical past, shows the timeline of why texts may have been changed, and how theses changes were translated and integrated into their history.

Thats important to see where they changed or altered the texts for their own desires, as many societies added and removed parts of their own historical texts, when a new leader or figure became prominent, and had a different doctrine than the last.

I could bandy on about how ancient texts may as well be toilet paper for our minds, but I dont think they are totally corrupted, and I know Undo is the best person Ive met to make any sense of the Biblical scriptures, within a reality mindset.
She clearly has done her homework, and is extremely well versed in the corellations of Egyptian mythology and history, and the writings of the Bible, which if you really look hard, are one in the same.

And, as you will see through your trips on the PRC, Matrix is one person who is in touch with the purest form of life itself, the mind and it's power over everything.
Is his knowledge just something different from the rest, or is it possible he's seeing the very truth within our texts scribes have spent so much ink on scratching out and mutating from the originals, and have so corrupted, as to be useless in anyway?

That star of David is a definite indicator of good and bad, light and dark, or male and female...your choice! A perfect translation 'tis!

Wait and see 1WW, as this story has been discussed and thrown around for millenia, and we wont be solving it today. Keep that mind open, and try to allow the real knowledge bubbles to percolate to the surface.

Cheers, and welcome to Pegasus,:D
Littleenki

let me see, how do we connect the dots between the atum and the flood?  well, the atum are the elohim.   the torah lists them as separate.  the atum ends up being only a single human male in the text.  the elohim ends up being only a single male god, who just so happens to only like male hebrews most of the time.   

closer examination reveals, that perhaps, elohim was not a single god and that adam was more than one guy as well.  and not just more than one guy ,but an entire race of males and females, created/copied/cloned in the image of the elohim (atum).

it's even possible all the races on the planet are accounted for in the story, not as a result of descending directly from the singular adam of the torah, but as a result of descending from some adam of the torah.  more than one. which means, if you follow that line of thinking, more than one racial group would've had a noah equivalent too or there would be no racial groups other than noah's original family.  the torah is the story of ONE family tree because it just happens to be a very important family tree.

now let's tie that to sumerian-akkadian texts.
the elohim are the atum are the anunnaki.
ALL the same.  some have said, the flood has completely natural causes, so there's no need for generating angry gods to explain it.   if you say so.  there's certainly enough documentation now to verify it happened so the real crux of the argument has turned from "prove it happened" to "prove it has anything to do with a supernatural god".

Quote from: undo11 on April 22, 2012, 01:07:40 PM
just out of curiosity, is there a tanglible, verifiable fact, older than like 1 minute ago?

Yes, Undo, Im still hungry!;)
LE

QuoteFinal decisons, and ominous declarations of any phase of this conversation will cause that progression to wane, and it isnt the direction for someone who has true interest in this subject to walk in.

Hi Littlenki,
I was glad you responded the way you did, and I do understand, I have been a member of the Pegasus group since it began back in the Yahoo groups days, it is just my posting numbers are low due to reluctance of posting anything I don't know about.
I was never pulling sides or trying to deem any of this conversation as not worthy of discussion, I was merely pointing out without the ark with writing on the hull, there is going to be only speculation.
I have seen the figure represented for being the ark on the mountain long ago, and it is definitely a maritime vessel, but what vessel, your guess is as good as mine. There is no other substantial evidences to prove of it's validity, and doesn't in no way shape or form conclusively come to an answer.
I know both Undo and Matrix from ATS days. I have always respected their input and discussions, and will continue to do so. They are associates that are well merited for what we do here on the Pegasus group, and by no means did I mean I would under mind their "Thesis" of what is and what is not of this topic. I am atheist, so I don't care one way or the other, but with possibility of AI DNA manipulation? Sounds more acceptable than an 'All Loving God' story.
I once had an astronomer friend that taught me how to use my telescope and the importance of measurement whilst using it, one of her favorite saying's was "Off by just 1/10 of a degree, your still a billion miles of to the reality." With that in High and sight, I Was just saying that, even though both Undo and Matrix qualify for translating the current discussion of talk, it will and still does remain a question of 'Biblical' proportion's in analogy. (Pun intended)LOL
The ancient glyph's are more readily to be the right answer, but questioning a translation from one form to another becomes moot for deciphering without both sides of the table standing ground.
I know Undo and Matrix Respect one another as well. And as I do, I will not quit asking question's and searching for answers. It is a part of 'My' DNA too want to know, but until that answer comes for this particular discussion topic "has anyone yet proved that the Noah's Ark story has a real Ark too find?"
Sciences provide proof of the deluge, it just hasn't been able too exactly coincide all texts as factual autobiographies or absolute oral transmission.
Thanks for your input, I do understand what you are conveying, and I will not ever discern a member here for their take on what is what when I don't even know...
With Respects,
1Worldwatcher 

"I have interpreted nothing. I was merely pointing out the irresistible need to be correct of such matters. Matrix has a very good idea of what is being discussed, but it still doesn't pertain to the whole Ark story. Not saying your argument doesn't or shouldn't be merited, just that the time lines are absolutely obscured from one event too another.
That's all."

And I have been sitting on the sidelines watching this conversation unfolding and wondering...." why.... its almost as if the entire LivingMoon conversations have been put on a sort of...time off of the thread.... time off.....sideline.... waitfor it....... And I am wondering in the middle of this wonderful windchime that is called the LivingMoon....  why suddenly everything seems to have quieted to one note....and concentrated on also " taking a breath".... What is it that is coming our way?

Just a strange thought from the sidelines.    Linda

Quote from: 1Worldwatcher on April 22, 2012, 02:08:07 PM
Hi Littlenki,
I was glad you responded the way you did, and I do understand, I have been a member of the Pegasus group since it began back in the Yahoo groups days, it is just my posting numbers are low due to reluctance of posting anything I don't know about.
I was never pulling sides or trying to deem any of this conversation as not worthy of discussion, I was merely pointing out without the ark with writing on the hull, there is going to be only speculation.
I have seen the figure represented for being the ark on the mountain long ago, and it is definitely a maritime vessel, but what vessel, your guess is as good as mine. There is no other substantial evidences to prove of it's validity, and doesn't in no way shape or form conclusively come to an answer.
I know both Undo and Matrix from ATS days. I have always respected their input and discussions, and will continue to do so. They are associates that are well merited for what we do here on the Pegasus group, and by no means did I mean I would under mind their "Thesis" of what is and what is not of this topic. I am atheist, so I don't care one way or the other, but with possibility of AI DNA manipulation? Sounds more acceptable than an 'All Loving God' story.
I once had an astronomer friend that taught me how to use my telescope and the importance of measurement whilst using it, one of her favorite saying's was "Off by just 1/10 of a degree, your still a billion miles of to the reality." With that in High and sight, I Was just saying that, even though both Undo and Matrix qualify for translating the current discussion of talk, it will and still does remain a question of 'Biblical' proportion's in analogy. (Pun intended)LOL
The ancient glyph's are more readily to be the right answer, but questioning a translation from one form to another becomes moot for deciphering without both sides of the table standing ground.
I know Undo and Matrix Respect one another as well. And as I do, I will not quit asking question's and searching for answers. It is a part of 'My' DNA too want to know, but until that answer comes for this particular discussion topic "has anyone yet proved that the Noah's Ark story has a real Ark too find?"
Sciences provide proof of the deluge, it just hasn't been able too exactly coincide all texts as factual autobiographies or absolute oral transmission.
Thanks for your input, I do understand what you are conveying, and I will not ever discern a member here for their take on what is what when I don't even know...
With Respects,
1Worldwatcher

Hey 1WW, and thanks for the wise insightful reply!
I did see something special in your post wording, and kind of saw you knew your stuff by those few  words within.
It is really great to meet another person who has been with these folks for years, as many here seem to have been.
I am blessed to join you guys here, and have a place for the exchange of these wonderful ideas, and theories.

Now, about that ark....
I will say, that image of the ark is overwhelmingly boatlike, and for it to be anything but, is a departure from reality, yet was it a boat?
Or, was it a symbolically constructed building, made to represent a boat, that would have been high enough in the mountains to stay safe during the flood, or at least was launched higher up.

I, as a bit of an archaeology buff, would also wonder, if it isnt a boat, maybe there is much more to dig up in the surrounding area, thats so deep noone has found any clues.
The ark as a building? Why not?
Damn, Ive exposed my esoteric personality! Just kill me now!LOL!:D

Cheers, and it's a pleasure to make your acquaintance, 1worldwatcher!
Littleenki

Been watching M'self here and thinking...  The "Noah" story is a lot older than the Bible.  The Bible is just the latest in a string of such stories...  And I do believe Enki (the "God," not Our esteemed member here) did help some of Humanity avoid the deluge, however it came to be...

Quote from: Linda Brown on April 22, 2012, 02:32:34 PM
"I have interpreted nothing. I was merely pointing out the irresistible need to be correct of such matters. Matrix has a very good idea of what is being discussed, but it still doesn't pertain to the whole Ark story. Not saying your argument doesn't or shouldn't be merited, just that the time lines are absolutely obscured from one event too another.
That's all."

And I have been sitting on the sidelines watching this conversation unfolding and wondering...." why.... its almost as if the entire LivingMoon conversations have been put on a sort of...time off of the thread.... time off.....sideline.... waitfor it....... And I am wondering in the middle of this wonderful windchime that is called the LivingMoon....  why suddenly everything seems to have quieted to one note....and concentrated on also " taking a breath".... What is it that is coming our way?

Just a strange thought from the sidelines.    Linda

Indeed, Linda, and why have several of us dove into this thread with wild abandon?

It could be a sign, and if it is, as long as it involves boats and the sea...Im on board...pun intended:)

What is it about the Bible, and the world's mysteries today, that doesnt want to stop interacting?
Is it that the Bible really is a code book like some say, and full of indicators of whats to come, without all the religious and godlike undertones? Was it the original format for our Disinformation we so love to hate?;)

Are we headed into that "approaching wave" where spirituality meets technology?

I know we are, as why would we be here discussing Noah and the ark with such fervor?

So many cross linked tidbits here, it's like a table of hors deuvres to be scoffed upon like so mnay ravenous partygoers! Chow down folks, it's all there for free!

I, for one, am progressing ahead patiently, whilest finding clues in my own life, such as my recent reaffirming of my obligation to society to offer any help I can in the technology department. This is why I feel Ive been drawn to the Token and the Moon, as it's a "magnet" for knowledge and learning for me.
A place to connect with people who have open minds, and fresh ideas, to further the cause of mankind's continued progression into what I like to call the Golden Day, where mind and body become one, and all physical chains of bondage are cast aside.

The ark is truly a bonding theme for many, and maybe it's the one piece of true evidence we will need to propel us into that realm of joy, Dolores Cannon speaks so candidly of.

Could the ark be that bond?

A bond between man and gods, proving our ancestral heritage beyond a shadow of a doubt, as a duality based lifeform, created for the sole purpose of excercising our demons from our ethereal selves, so we can once again become the "gods" we once were, back in Noah's day.
Dying in the flood to be reborn with new life, just less godlike?

Of course, with the agreeance of many here, I must add that those "gods" may have been the Sumerian annunaki, and the originators of our hybrid species.
And they were well known for the control of watery occurences, werent they?
:D
Cheers!
Littleenki

I am happy that you were able to see what I was trying to point out....That there are things going on here and that we are responding to those impulses even here on the LivingMoon.... or maybe I should say... especially on the LivingMoon. I consider that all of you may be specially refined antennae....

And I feel like a party pooper for not jumping right on into this Noahs Arc discussion.

When I was a kid this was one of the stories that most fascinated me. I loved stories of Ancient Times and spent all kinds of time researching what various civilizations did. I learned quickly that the men and women out there digging and reporting were also quite jealous of their ideas and nothing could ever quite match the kind of " intellectual food fight" and nasty barbs that one could throw at another for disagreeing with the point that they were trying to make. THAT was discouraging...... I wanted them to look at ALL of the possibilities, even though some of them were outside their realm.

My brother said something to me about this time that really crushed me.

I was nine, I think....I had laid out all of my most recent research about a couple of historical characters.... everything that had ever been written of them and their times and I asked him very seriously.... there was a point... where the trail disappeared... and I asked him...." I wonder what happened to them?"  He frowned for a minute and then seriously said" Well I know one thing for sure....."  There was a pause and I hung on his every word.... so happy that he was going to contribute to my search.... to say something positive and helpful....'  His response?  " They are both dead now".  And then he just walked away.

As I said. At the time I was crushed. But my brother Joseph had a point. Sometimes you just are not going to know things that are beyond your scope. He went to the basic of what he could safely conclude.... the ONLY thing that was safe to conclude. They were both gone.... centuries ago... and maybe most of my " research" was just rehashing what other humans had concluded and how would I ever know what was valid and what was not.

So in this I have to take a few steps back and maybe join you later.... my path right now has to be more immediate and that's why I have to concentrate on an age where people who can speak up are still with us...And mysteries still are plentiful!

Linda

Quote from: 1Worldwatcher on April 22, 2012, 02:08:07 PM

Sciences provide proof of the deluge, it just hasn't been able too exactly coincide all texts as factual autobiographies or absolute oral transmission.

well i've been tracking all the old stories, especially the ones that appear to generate the most skepticism, because

1) i want to know if the skepticism is warranted, and

2) i want to know if there's an answer to the skepticism (we are all inherently skeptical about things outside our vision or knowledge and if we didn't give it some kind of initial trial and error period, we'd be likely to accept almost anything, even out right lies) and

3) i want to share that the texts are historically accurate and then explore just how much more info resolves from the supernatural side as a result.

and finally,

4)  i want to understand the rationale behind those events, the rationale behind how people respond to those events and as a result, the rationale behind why i respond as i do to the info concerning those events.  i don't like the idea of believing something just because everyone else does, but rather believing something because it is true.  i don't cling to the idea that just because someone tells me a thing is true, that that means it is true.  and i don't blame other people for asking those same questions

Regarding the writings we have to consider what the Carpenter was reported to have said regarding The Scribes  Quote;

Quote39.  Jesus said,

"The Pharisees and the Scribes
have taken The Keys of Knowledge
and Hidden Them.

They themselves have NOT entered,
nor have they allowed to enter
those who wish to.

You, however, be as wise as serpents
and as innocent as doves."

But the Geometry remains, in the writing which are in Parable for the Inner Mind and NOT The Flesh.

If we go back to the writings of E'  NOCH we find the evidence regarding the nature of these writings Quote;

From... "THE BOOK of E'NOCH" I-XXXVI"  (One of the remaining Books of E' NOCH today) Quote;

QuoteCh. 1  Verse 01.

The words of the blessing of E'NOCH,
where-with he blessed the elect and righteous'
who will be living in the day of  tribulation,
when all the wicked and godless are to be removed.

02.  And he took up his parable and said-

E'noch a righteous man, whose Eyes were Opened by GOD,

saw the Vision of THE HOLY ONE in the Heavens,
which the angels showed me, and from them
I  heard everything,

and from them I understood as I saw,
but not for this generation, but for a remote one
which is for to come.

03. Concerning the elect I said, and took up my parable concerning them:

THE HOLY GREAT ONE will come forth from HIS Dwelling'

04.  And THE ETERNAL GOD will tread upon the Earth,
even on Mount Sinai and appear from HIS Camp
and appear in the strength of HIS might
from the HEAVEN of Heavens.

05.  And all shall be smitten with fear,

And the watchers

The Watchers are NOT Angels but instead are the Partitions of The True Mind.

This is NOT my reasoning but I have been shown by The LIGHT

i.e. The Place of LIFE or "The LIFE of GOD".

The knowledge I was Given, is NOT from the human Species but instead by The LIGHT.

Quoteshall quake,

And great fear and trembling shall seize them unto the ends of the Earth.

06. And the high mountains shall be shaken,
And the high hills shall be made low,
And shall melt like wax before the flame,

07.  And the Earth shall wholly rent in sunder,
And all that is upon the Earth shall perish,

And there shall be a judgement upon all men.

08.  But with the righteous HE will make peace,
And will protect the elect, And mercy shall be upon them.

And they shall all belong to GOD, And they shall be prospered,

And they shall all be blessed.

And HE will help them all,

And LIGHT shall appear unto them,

And HE will make peace with them.

This is The LIGHT I was taken into.

NOT a single human, NOT even my own Flesh can Change this.

Quote09.   And behold! HE cometh with ten thousands of HIS Holy Ones
to execute judgement upon all, And to destroy all the ungodly:

And to convict all flesh of all the works of  their ungodliness
which they have ungodly committed,

And of all the hard things which ungodly sinners have spoken against HIM.

Quote from: The Matrix Traveller on April 22, 2012, 09:26:09 PM
Regarding the writings we have to consider what the Carpenter was reported to have said regarding The Scribes  Quote;

But the Geometry remains, in the writing which are in Parable for the Inner Mind and NOT The Flesh.

If we go back to the writings of E'  NOCH we find the evidence regarding the nature of these writings Quote;

From... "THE BOOK of E'NOCH" I-XXXVI"  (One of the remaining Books of E' NOCH today) Quote;

The Watchers are NOT Angels but instead are the Partitions of The True Mind.

This is NOT my reasoning but I have been shown by The LIGHT

i.e. The Place of LIFE or "The LIFE of GOD".

The knowledge I was Given, is NOT from the human Species but instead by The LIGHT.

This is The LIGHT I was taken into.

NOT a single human, NOT even my own Flesh can Change this.

so are you suggesting noah's ark was a story about an event that happens in everybody's brain or are you suggesting noah's ark wasn't a real boat but a metaphor for something else?