Aether has mass and physically occupies three dimensional space. Aether is physically displaced by matter. Displaced aether pushes back and exerts inward pressure toward matter.
Displaced aether pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward matter is gravity.
A moving particle has an associated aether displacement wave. In a double slit experiment the particle travels a well defined trajectory which takes it through one slit while the associated aether wave passes through both.
'Ether and the Theory of Relativity by Albert Einstein'
http://www-groups.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~history/Extras/Einstein_ether.html
"According to the general theory of relativity space without ether is unthinkable"
"the state of the [ether] is at every place determined by connections with the matter and the state of the ether in neighbouring places, ... disregarding the causes which condition its state."
The state of the aether at every place determined by connections with the matter and the state of the aether in neighboring places is the state of displacement of the aether.
'The Third Book of Opticks (1718) by Isaac Newton'
http://www.newtonproject.sussex.ac.uk/view/texts/normalized/NATP00051
"Qu. 21. Is not this Medium much rarer within the dense Bodies of the Sun, Stars, Planets and Comets, than in the empty celestial Spaces between them? And in passing from them to great distances, doth it not grow denser and denser perpetually, and thereby cause the gravity of those great Bodies towards one another, and of their parts towards the Bodies; every Body endeavouring to go from the denser parts of the Medium towards the rarer? ..."
Newton is referring to the state of displacement of the aether. The aether does not have a variable density. However, Newton was correct; displaced aether is the cause of gravity.
'Superfluid Is Shown To Have Property Of A Solid'
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/1999/07/990730072958.htm
"Northwestern University physicists have for the first time shown that superfluid helium-3 -- the lighter isotope of helium, which is a liquid that has lost all internal friction, allowing it to flow without resistance and ooze through tiny spaces that normal liquids cannot penetrate -- actually behaves like a solid in its ability to conduct sound waves."
The aether is, or behaves similar to, a superfliud with properties of a solid; an incompressible fluid.
'NASA's Voyager Hits New Region at Solar System Edge'
http://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2011/dec/HQ_11-402_AGU_Voyager.html
"Voyager is showing that what is outside is pushing back. ... Like cars piling up at a clogged freeway off-ramp, the increased intensity of the magnetic field shows that inward pressure from interstellar space is compacting it."
It is the aether which is displaced by the matter the solar system consists of which is pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward the solar system.
'The Case of the Missing Dark Matter'
http://www.universetoday.com/94680/the-case-of-the-missing-dark-matter/
"A survey of the galactic region around our solar system by the European Southern Observatory (ESO) has turned up a surprising lack of dark matter, making its alleged existence even more of a mystery."
The aether is being displaced by all of the particles of matter which the Milky Way consists of. It is not going to be detected in the galactic region around our solar system because displaced aether pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward matter IS gravity.
It is the aether which is displaced external to the matter which the Milky Way consists of which is pushing back toward the Milky Way which is causing the Milky Way to rotate much faster than the visible matter alone can account for.
'Interpretation of quantum mechanics by the double solution theory - Louis de BROGLIE'
http://aflb.ensmp.fr/AFLB-classiques/aflb124p001.pdf
"When in 1923-1924 I had my first ideas about Wave Mechanics I was looking for a truly concrete physical image, valid for all particles, of the wave and particle coexistence discovered by Albert Einstein in his "Theory of light quanta". I had no doubt whatsoever about the physical reality of waves and particles."
"any particle, even isolated, has to be imagined as in continuous "energetic contact" with a hidden medium"
The hidden medium of de Broglie wave mechanics is the aether. The "energetic contact" is the state of displacement of the aether.
A moving particle has an associated aether displacement wave.
In a double slit experiment the particle travels a well defined path which takes it through one slit. The associated aether wave passes through both. As the aether wave exits the slits it creates wave interference. As the particle exits a single slit the direction it travels is altered by the wave interference. This is the wave piloting the particle of pilot-wave theory. Detecting the particle strongly exiting a single slit turns the associated aether wave into chop. The aether waves exiting the slits interact with the detectors and become many short waves with irregular motion. The waves become disorderly. The waves are disorganized. There is no wave interference. The particle pitches and rolls through the chop. The particle gets knocked around by the chop and it no longer creates an interference pattern.
'Surprise! IBEX Finds No Bow 'Shock' Outside our Solar System'
http://www.universetoday.com/95094/surprise-ibex-finds-no-bow-shock-outside-our-solar-system/
'"While bow shocks certainly exist ahead of many other stars, we're finding that our Sun's interaction doesn't reach the critical threshold to form a shock," said Dr. David McComas, principal investigator of the IBEX mission, "so a wave is a more accurate depiction of what's happening ahead of our heliosphere — much like the wave made by the bow of a boat as it glides through the water."'
The wave ahead of our heliosphere is an aether displacement wave. This is evidence of a moving 'particle', the solar system, having an associated aether wave.
'Hubble Finds Ghostly Ring of Dark Matter'
http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/hubble/news/dark_matter_ring_feature.html
"Astronomers using NASA's Hubble Space Telescope got a first-hand view of how dark matter behaves during a titanic collision between two galaxy clusters. The wreck created a ripple of dark mater, which is somewhat similar to a ripple formed in a pond when a rock hits the water."
The 'pond' consists of aether. The moving 'particles' are the galaxy clusters. The ripple is an aether displacement wave. The ripple is a gravitational wave. This is also evidence of a moving 'particle', the galaxy clusters, having an associated aether wave.
'Giant black hole kicked out of home galaxy'
http://www.astronomy.com/en/News-Observing/News/2012/06/Giant%20black%20hole%20kicked%20out%20of%20home%20galaxy.aspx
"But these new data support the idea that gravitational waves — ripples in the fabric of space first predicted by Albert Einstein but never detected directly — can exert an extremely powerful force."
The fabric of space is the aether.
Gravitational waves are ripples in the aether.
What ripples when galaxy clusters collide is what waves in a double slit experiment; the aether.
Einstein's gravitational wave is de Broglie's pilot-wave.
They are both aether displacement waves.
Very good...
I love the elegance and simplicity.....as does nature 9 times out of ten.
Great post...i give gold.
Cosmic..
While I agree with the existence of the aether, I tend to agree with Dr. Paul A. LaViolette that "particles" are standing waves of "etherons" - as He calls the elements of the aether. I also do not believe in the bending of space/time... With LaViolette's Subquantum Kinetics (SQK), that "bending" is not necessary to predict all of what relativity predicts and much more.
I do recommend reading Dr. LaViolette's Subquantum Kinetics (lots of "squigglies" - math), and Secrets of Antigravity Propulsion (very few "squigglies").
Quote from: Cosmic4life on June 23, 2012, 05:02:16 PM
Very good...
I love the elegance and simplicity.....as does nature 9 times out of ten.
Great post...i give gold.
Cosmic..
Thanks.
I am writing to stay in this loop. Deuem
Quote from: Amaterasu on June 23, 2012, 05:05:12 PM
While I agree with the existence of the aether, I tend to agree with Dr. Paul A. LaViolette that "particles" are standing waves of "etherons" - as He calls the elements of the aether. I also do not believe in the bending of space/time... With LaViolette's Subquantum Kinetics (SQK), that "bending" is not necessary to predict all of what relativity predicts and much more.
I do recommend reading Dr. LaViolette's Subquantum Kinetics (lots of "squigglies" - math), and Secrets of Antigravity Propulsion (very few "squigglies").
In Einstein's Leyden address, every time he mentions motion as applied to the aether it is defined as the aether does not consist of individual particles which can be separately tracked through time. The following is one example.
'Ether and the Theory of Relativity - Albert Einstein'
http://www.tu-harburg.de/rzt/rzt/it/Ether.html
"Think of waves on the surface of water. Here we can describe two entirely different things. Either we may observe how the undulatory surface forming the boundary between water and air alters in the course of time; or else with the help of small floats, for instance we can observe how the position of the separate particles of water alters in the course of time. If the existence of such floats for tracking the motion of the particles of a fluid were a fundamental impossibility in physics if, in fact, nothing else whatever were observable than the shape of the space occupied by the water as it varies in time, we should have no ground for the assumption that water consists of movable particles. But all the same we could characterise it as a medium."
I interpret this to mean it can not be known if aether consists of particles or not. All the same it is a medium which has mass, physically occupies three dimensional space and is physically displaced by matter.
There is no such thing as non-baryonic dark matter traveling with matter. Matter moves through and displaces the aether.
Curved spacetime is displaced aether.
An EXCELLENT POST! Gold from me too. Linda
Very nice job in writing and explaining and compiling.
Couldn't have done a better job, in fact, probably not as good.
Giving gold on this.
Best,
Mikado
Quote from: mpc755 on June 23, 2012, 05:16:52 PM
In Einstein's Leyden address, every time he mentions motion as applied to the aether it is defined as the aether does not consist of individual particles which can be separately tracked through time. The following is one example.
'Ether and the Theory of Relativity - Albert Einstein'
http://www.tu-harburg.de/rzt/rzt/it/Ether.html
"Think of waves on the surface of water. Here we can describe two entirely different things. Either we may observe how the undulatory surface forming the boundary between water and air alters in the course of time; or else with the help of small floats, for instance we can observe how the position of the separate particles of water alters in the course of time. If the existence of such floats for tracking the motion of the particles of a fluid were a fundamental impossibility in physics if, in fact, nothing else whatever were observable than the shape of the space occupied by the water as it varies in time, we should have no ground for the assumption that water consists of movable particles. But all the same we could characterise it as a medium."
I interpret this to mean it can not be known if aether consists of particles or not. All the same it is a medium which has mass, physically occupies three dimensional space and is physically displaced by matter.
There is no such thing as non-baryonic dark matter traveling with matter. Matter moves through and displaces the aether.
Curved spacetime is displaced aether.
I agree with all of this - the "etherons" are not like Our standard idea of particles, but more like waveforms themselves - except that in SQK, there is no need for curvature to explain things.
Though SQK gives rise to "dark energy" (zero point, radiant, "vacuum," orgone, whatever One wishes to call the energy), it does not lend itself to any "dark matter."
HAVE You read either of the works I suggested, or anything on SQK by LaViolette?
Quote from: Amaterasu on June 23, 2012, 07:32:18 PM
I agree with all of this - the "etherons" are not like Our standard idea of particles, but more like waveforms themselves - except that in SQK, there is no need for curvature to explain things.
Though SQK gives rise to "dark energy" (zero point, radiant, "vacuum," orgone, whatever One wishes to call the energy), it does not lend itself to any "dark matter."
HAVE You read either of the works I suggested, or anything on SQK by LaViolette?
As far as I know, any experiment which proposes to detect an aether particle will not be able to distinguished between an actual aether particle and a change in state of the experimental apparatus with respect to the state of the aether in which it exists. In other words, even if a 'ping' is detected associated with an experiment attempting to detect an aether particle, my guess is, it is the experimental apparatus itself which pings.
My interpretation of Einstein's definition of motion as applied to the aether is that we can not know if aether consists of particles, or not. I believe any discussion of etherons, gravitons, WIMPS or any other possible particulate nature of aether is superfluous. That doesn't mean I am saying you can not discuss aether as consisting of etherons or anything else you care to on other threads. Who knows, you could be correct. However, I am asking you to please stop discussing any type of particulate nature of the aether on this thread, it is not warranted. This thread is titled aether displacement and the focus of this thread is on aether displacement. If you are going to continue to refer to theories which are not related to aether displacement then I would prefer you not to continue to post on this thread. Thank you.
What is presently postulated as non-baryonic dark matter is aether. There is no such thing as non-baryonic dark matter traveling with matter. Matter moves through and displaces the aether.
'Was the universe born spinning?'
http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/46688
"The universe was born spinning and continues to do so around a preferred axis"
The Universe spins around a preferred axis because the Universe is, or the local Universe we exist in is in, a jet; analogous to the polar jet of a black hole.
'Mysterious Cosmic 'Dark Flow' Tracked Deeper into Universe'
http://www.nasa.gov/centers/goddard/news/releases/2010/10-023.html
'The clusters appear to be moving along a line extending from our solar system toward Centaurus/Hydra, but the direction of this motion is less certain. Evidence indicates that the clusters are headed outward along this path, away from Earth, but the team cannot yet rule out the opposite flow. "We detect motion along this axis, but right now our data cannot state as strongly as we'd like whether the clusters are coming or going," Kashlinsky said.'
The clusters are headed along this path because the Universe is, or the local Universe we exist in is in, a jet.
The following is an image analogous of the Universal jet.
http://aether.lbl.gov/image_all.html
The reason for the 'expansion' of the universe is the continual emission of aether into the Universal jet. Three dimensional space associated with the Universe itself is not expanding. What we see in our telescopes is the matter associated with the Universe moving outward and away from the Universal jet emission point. In the image above, '1st Stars' is where aether condenses into matter.
The following is an image analogous of the Universe, or the local Universe, we exist in.
http://www.astro.ucla.edu/planetarium/graphics/st_images/BlackHole.jpg
The following is an image analogous of the Universal spin.
http://i.space.com/images/i/612/i02/040817_quasar_illo_02.jpg?1292259454
Dark energy is aether emitted into the Universal jet.
It's not the Big Bang. It's the Big Ongoing.
Wonderfull thread , and opening post.
My hobbit opinion....
The universe is a perfectly packed solid of geometric form of all scale.
A resonant flow travels within this solid along the mirror faces of the geometric STUFF that packs the universe.
The packed stuff never moves at all, it enables mutiple dimensions to co exist in the same location.
You therefore are dealing with two seperate entities when dealing with that which is called the aether.
We are a consequence of what exists in one dimensions of multiple dimensions, and We are enabled to exist due to the information holding resonant flows that travel about upon the geometric faces of the stuff.
The actions of these flows is determined by the fixed geometry of the stuff, and the stuff is so tiny as to be beyond our comprehension of scale, as is the overall universe.
As above, so below encompasses both extremes of the scale involved.
Every atom and the multitude of components of atoms are consequences of the local geometry that they are formulated by, and then the complexity of the periodic table is by means of how the resonant wave flows combine and compound to become whatever , and are then held in a local memory bubble relative to that.
The overall universal flows origonate from the heart centre of the whole and then spin outwars to refract back into the heart centre in an eternal chase.
The FIXED STUFF of perfectly packed geometric form provides the matrix scaffold that enables all in creation.... the illusion is of seperate mass that is moving in a nothing.
That assumed nothing is actually where no-thing in that dimension exists .
All mass is merely compressed and compounded memory of the dual spin flows , and all assumed movement is the displacement of the dominant overall memory field surrounding the apparent mass that is reacting to the symbiotic multitudes of memory field SWITCHING about upon the faces of the fixed scaffolding of universe.
The whole apparent movement of the heavens is due to this ever increasing in scale dual whorling resonant flows.
Gravity is the local consequence of the heart centred net implosion of an increasing of mass, that is in actuality an increase in memory, thus as the memory increases so does the mass, and each memory field interacts with all other memory fields.
The sun, and all stars are therefore merely massive memory locations that enable in the geometry more memory fields to establish , just as they in turn allow moons to establish in their memory fields.
I can actually follow all of this via dowsing at My scale all over the planets surface...I can plot it and measure it, and the geometry shows itself, then I am able to THINK this geometry in and outwards in scale
Just a hobbits personal ramblings of that which is right in front of our noses, but can't see it as iy's omni present.
Quote from: hobbit on June 23, 2012, 11:24:47 PMAll mass is merely compressed and compounded memory of the dual spin flows , and all assumed movement is the displacement of the dominant overall memory field surrounding the apparent mass that is reacting to the symbiotic multitudes of memory field SWITCHING about upon the faces of the fixed scaffolding of universe.
Matter and aether have mass.
'Ether and the Theory of Relativity - Albert Einstein'
http://www.tu-harburg.de/rzt/rzt/it/Ether.html
"Since according to our present conceptions the elementary particles of matter are also, in their essence, nothing else than condensations of the electromagnetic field"
The electromagnetic field is a state of aether. Matter is condensations of aether.
'DOES THE INERTIA OF A BODY DEPEND UPON ITS ENERGY-CONTENT?' A. EINSTEIN
http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/E_mc2/e_mc2.pdf
"If a body gives off the energy L in the form of radiation, its mass diminishes by L/c2."
The mass of the body does diminish. However, the matter which no longer exists as part of the body has not vanished; it still exists, as aether. Matter evaporates into aether. As matter evaporates into aether it expands into neighboring places; which is energy.
When a nuclear bomb explodes matter evaporates into aether. The evaporation is energy. Mass is conserved.
I think that you are ALL wonderful and I will bet everything that you are seeing the truth of the future and I will be very honored to know all of you.
Now I just have to find a place where I can quietly let my head explode.... because it needs to do that. This is all so far beyond my understanding that I wonder if I will ever get it.
Deep breath Brown ..... just go back to what you THINK you know! <g> Linda
Quote from: mpc755 on June 23, 2012, 11:35:24 PM
Matter and aether have mass.
'Ether and the Theory of Relativity - Albert Einstein'
http://www.tu-harburg.de/rzt/rzt/it/Ether.html
"Since according to our present conceptions the elementary particles of matter are also, in their essence, nothing else than condensations of the electromagnetic field"
The electromagnetic field is a state of aether. Matter is condensations of aether.
'DOES THE INERTIA OF A BODY DEPEND UPON ITS ENERGY-CONTENT?' A. EINSTEIN
http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/E_mc2/e_mc2.pdf
"If a body gives off the energy L in the form of radiation, its mass diminishes by L/c2."
The mass of the body does diminish. However, the matter which no longer exists as part of the body has not vanished; it still exists, as aether. Matter evaporates into aether. As matter evaporates into aether it expands into neighboring places; which is energy.
When a nuclear bomb explodes matter evaporates into aether. The evaporation is energy. Mass is conserved.
That word ...ENERGY.
When a nuclear bomb so called explodes , the illusion is of the atoms releasing a vast stored up pot of ENERGY....even though nobody has any clue as to what energy is supposed to be.
The resonance I am finding as flowing along super high frequency pathways is what enables memory, the bomb so called exploding releases vast stored up memory that thus causes all the memory bubbles it encounters to vastly transmute.
The consequence is a change in state and a further consequence called radiation.
The radiation is the memory fields trying to normalise to the condition they are in.
That leads to the implosion of memory into that whilst normalising, thus if your memory encounters this your memory will be absorbed and you will alter in the observed manner .
hobbit
mpc755,
I should state ,so that You realise, that I do not understand( bow down to, accept) the statutes ( rules ) of anyone.
I am merely relaying information that I PICKUP from far larger memory than anyone is capable of storing.
All so called knowledge is transmitted via this medium, and is multidimensional.
No-thing actually exists as seperate mass, it is memory in our case in 3D, the actual memory field been in 4D.
hobbit
Quote from: hobbit on June 23, 2012, 11:54:55 PM
That word ...ENERGY.
When a nuclear bomb so called explodes , the illusion is of the atoms releasing a vast stored up pot of ENERGY....even though nobody has any clue as to what energy is supposed to be.
I do.
Matter and aether have mass.
Matter is condensations of aether.
A change in state of that which has mass is energy.
Quote from: Linda Brown on June 23, 2012, 11:46:16 PM
I think that you are ALL wonderful and I will bet everything that you are seeing the truth of the future and I will be very honored to know all of you.
Now I just have to find a place where I can quietly let my head explode.... because it needs to do that. This is all so far beyond my understanding that I wonder if I will ever get it.
Deep breath Brown ..... just go back to what you THINK you know! <g> Linda
For gravity, the analogy is placing a bowling ball into a tank of water. The bowling ball displaces the water. When you take the bowling ball out of the water the water fills-in where the bowling ball had been. This is evidence the water is pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward the bowling ball. The difference between water and the aether is the aether is, or behaves similar to, a superfluid with properties of a solid.
For the observed behaviors in a double slit experiment then analogy is a boat and its bow wave. In a boat double slit experiment the boat travels a well defined path which takes it through one slit while the bow wave passes through both. As the bow wave exits the slits it creates wave interference which alters the direction the boat travels. Placing buoys at the exits to the slits in order to detect the boat turns the bow wave into chop. The boat gets knocked around by the chop and doesn't really change direction. A moving particle has an associated aether displacement wave. The aether wave is the particle's bow wave.
Robert B. Laughlin, Nobel Laureate in Physics, endowed chair in physics, Stanford University said the following.
"It is ironic that Einstein's most creative work, the general theory of relativity, should boil down to conceptualizing space as a medium when his original premise [in special relativity] was that no such medium existed [..] The word 'ether' has extremely negative connotations in theoretical physics because of its past association with opposition to relativity. This is unfortunate because, stripped of these connotations, it rather nicely captures the way most physicists actually think about the vacuum. . . . Relativity actually says nothing about the existence or nonexistence of matter pervading the universe, only that any such matter must have relativistic symmetry. [..] It turns out that such matter exists."
Matter has mass.
"About the time relativity was becoming accepted, studies of radioactivity began showing that the empty vacuum of space had spectroscopic structure similar to that of ordinary quantum solids and fluids. Subsequent studies with large particle accelerators have now led us to understand that space is more like a piece of window glass than ideal Newtonian emptiness. It is filled with 'stuff' ... "
'Stuff' has mass.
"... that is normally transparent but can be made visible by hitting it sufficiently hard to knock out a part."
Particles of matter are condensations of aether.
"The modern concept of the vacuum of space, confirmed every day by experiment, is a relativistic ether. But we do not call it this because it is taboo."
There is no such thing as non-baryonic dark matter traveling with matter. Matter moves through and displaces the aether.
Matter and aether have mass.
Matter is condensations of aether.
A change in state of that which has mass is energy.Three of the most beautiful sentences I have seen in a VERY VERY long time. Linda
QuoteParticles of matter are condensations of aether.
In SQK, particles are standing waves of "etherons" - or in other words, standing waves of aether...
Quote from: Linda Brown on June 27, 2012, 08:49:44 AM
Matter and aether have mass.
Matter is condensations of aether.
A change in state of that which has mass is energy.Three of the most beautiful sentences I have seen in a VERY VERY long time. Linda
The best word was STUFF.
I saw STUFF. It jumped right up and hit me in the face!
Morgan and his " STUFF" Yes.... I laughed too Hobbit. REALLY Hard!!!
standing waves of aether... Forgive me Amaterasu.... but that phrase makes NO SENSE to me at all, What the heck is a " standing wave?"
Enter the dowser,
Matter does not exist , except as a concentration of the aether .
The aether creates matter in it's universal self similer MEMORY method.
There are two STUFFs relative to the aether.
1...A FIXED railroad type lattice, that is omni directional.
2...A dual spin resonant based fluid like substance that travels on the railroad like lattice , always acting under attraction.
There are posters upon here who fully realise how when a train reachs a set of points , the train will follow the path of least resistance that the switched points offers?
Mass only exists due to the presence of the dual spin flowing substance that enables it to REMEMBER to be.
If one half of that duality is removed from mass , then the mass will begin to FORGET.
I can follow both the lattice structure of universe, which is where the geometry comes in.
But I can equally follow the substance that flows upon the lattice structure.
The lattice structure is the MATRIX.
The reason a craft can enter a seemingly solid mountain, or dive into water without a splash , is because the craft is within a local MEMORY bubble that is in a different dimension of geometry that the lattice structure enables, they BLINK out of 3D.
I can detect the local memory field shape and size about anything, scale of course comes into play , but once You have the geometry and method in Your head, then scale as Alice realised goes out of the window.
Then You can THINK to the extremes of the universe, below any small We can comprehend, and outwards to larger than We can comprehend.
Mass has a SWITCHING rate in the geometry of 3D, it's limit which is not fixed is C.
Other dimensions are not as dense as 3D , thus the rate of switching is almost instant, to our perceptions of time.
I have no qualifications, in fact I struggle to even spell words, but I do have some friends called serpents, who KNOW all there is to KNOW.
hobbit
Quote from: Linda Brown on June 27, 2012, 08:57:08 AM
standing waves of aether... Forgive me Amaterasu.... but that phrase makes NO SENSE to me at all, What the heck is a " standing wave?"
Ok... You've seen oscillating waves on an oscilloscope monitor, right? (I hope so...) The waves go up and down. If the oscilloscope is tuned, the waves will speed up or slow down. When tuned just so, the wave will stand still. You'll still see the hump up and dip down, but they won't be moving. That is basically a "standing" wave. Sort of as much energy is going in as going out...
Now, I am trying to integrate hobbity's explanation with SQK (LaViolette's answer to relativity - which I think is a marvelous model). There is a point, in SQK where enough "concentration" of a given sort of "etheron" density will create a particle "out of thin air..." It happens VERY rarely in the conditions of the Universe as We see then now. But it can and theoretically does happen.
If this concentration is an aggregate of memory - which perhaps "etherons" are the "stuff" of ([grin)] - then it is the "remembering" to be concentrating enough to be...
What say You, hobbity?
Arent all waves typically just ripples of vibration?
(http://pwg.gsfc.nasa.gov/istp/outreach/images/Gusts/balskirt.jpg)
An oscope just shows a 2d version of a wave, and although it is called a standing wave, it is always vibrating and relocating...everything is.
(http://www.miqel.com/images_1/jazz_music_heart/standing-wave-patterns.gif)
The TEP experiment Naudin did shows the 3d waves on his expensive oscope, and they are like toroidal or torsion waves, tapering springs if you will.
This link shows some of the oddest waveforms ever captured on an oscope.
http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/tep70wrd.htm
Back EMF also shows up as 2d on an oscope, but is really a multi octave ringing toroidal spin.
Basically everything is a wave, and as such everything is in tune and can be manipulated from afar through the aether, which is like a broth and we are the beans floating about.
Those watery ripples sure are important.
Le
Funny that you would say this Littleenki
That we are beans in a broth.
Remember what Mikado said recently about the soup not being ready yet? Just wanted you to catch that if you hadn't noticed.
If you had and you did it intentionally..... thats one thing.... if you just "happened" to think of " beans in a broth" and wrote it... I would check your shield. <g> Linda
Its ok, Linda as when I was volunteering for mess duty we had a sensei for a chef, and he would wax philosophcal all day til our ears bled!LOL!
One of his favorite sayings was..."we are all beans in the broth" and Ive been saying it for years!
No external effect necessary, shields on max!
Report to the transporter room? uh oh!
Get me my blue shirt! Ahhh, Im not beaming down in a red shirt!
Le
Quote from: Amaterasu on June 27, 2012, 01:51:57 PM
Ok... You've seen oscillating waves on an oscilloscope monitor, right? (I hope so...) The waves go up and down. If the oscilloscope is tuned, the waves will speed up or slow down. When tuned just so, the wave will stand still. You'll still see the hump up and dip down, but they won't be moving. That is basically a "standing" wave. Sort of as much energy is going in as going out...
Now, I am trying to integrate hobbity's explanation with SQK (LaViolette's answer to relativity - which I think is a marvelous model). There is a point, in SQK where enough "concentration" of a given sort of "etheron" density will create a particle "out of thin air..." It happens VERY rarely in the conditions of the Universe as We see then now. But it can and theoretically does happen.
If this concentration is an aggregate of memory - which perhaps "etherons" are the "stuff" of ([grin)] - then it is the "remembering" to be concentrating enough to be...
What say You, hobbity?
This thread is titled 'Aether Displacement'. As far as I know there is nothing stopping you from starting your own thread.
Einstein defined motion in terms of the aether as aether does not consist of individual particles which can be separately tracked through time.
In aether displacement, which this thread is discussing, this is interpreted to mean it can not be known if aether consists of particles or not.
Quote from: Littleenki
Basically everything is a wave, and as such everything is in tune and can be manipulated from afar through the aether, which is like a broth and we are the beans floating about.
Particles of matter exist in and displace the aether.
Quote from: mpc755 on June 27, 2012, 06:25:46 PM
This thread is titled 'Aether Displacement'. As far as I know there is nothing stopping you from starting your own thread.
Einstein defined motion in terms of the aether as aether does not consist of individual particles which can be separately tracked through time.
In aether displacement, which this thread is discussing, this is interpreted to mean it can not be known if aether consists of particles or not.
A tad confusing who You are addressing there????
Please define what AETHER is.
hobbit
Quote from: mpc755 on June 27, 2012, 06:27:37 PM
Particles of matter exist in and displace the aether.
mmm hmmm...according to who, Einstein?
There are no real particles of matter, they are actually light waves, and dont exist separately from the aether, they are a part of them just having a field interaction, resulting in the appearance of matter. Bhagavad gita...Kybalion...Russell...so on and so forth.
The aether is the ALL, and we cant exist in it, we are a part of it.
Beans in the broth!:D
Cheers, MPC!
Littleenki
Quote from: Littleenki on June 27, 2012, 06:37:32 PM
mmm hmmm...according to who, Einstein?
There are no real particles of matter, they are actually light waves, and dont exist separately from the aether, they are a part of them just having a field interaction, resulting in the appearance of matter. Bhagavad gita...Kybalion...Russell...so on and so forth.
The aether is the ALL, and we cant exist in it, we are a part of it.
Beans in the broth!:D
Cheers, MPC!
Littleenki
Those beans will definately cause a displacement in the aether.
hobbit
Indeed, the Mayans knew it way before we did!LOL!Silly Hobbit!
Teotihuacan designed to concentrate flatulence effects, coming to the humor thread soon!
Thanks for your guidance, Hobbit!
Le
Quote from: hobbit on June 27, 2012, 06:31:35 PM
A tad confusing who You are addressing there????
Please define what AETHER is.
hobbit
I am referring to anyone who is discussing the aether as consisting of any type of particle.
Einstein defined motion as applied to the aether as the aether does not consist of individual particles which can be separately tracked through time. I interpret this to mean it can not be known if aether consists of particles or not.
All I am asking is if you want to discuss a particle nature to the aether then you start another thread. Am I asking for too much?
If you want to understand what the aether is then read the first post on this topic or read the following.
"It is ironic that Einstein's most creative work, the general theory of relativity, should boil down to conceptualizing space as a medium when his original premise [in special relativity] was that no such medium existed [..] The word 'ether' has extremely negative connotations in theoretical physics because of its past association with opposition to relativity. This is unfortunate because, stripped of these connotations, it rather nicely captures the way most physicists actually think about the vacuum. . . . Relativity actually says nothing about the existence or nonexistence of matter pervading the universe, only that any such matter must have relativistic symmetry. [..] It turns out that such matter exists. About the time relativity was becoming accepted, studies of radioactivity began showing that the empty vacuum of space had spectroscopic structure similar to that of ordinary quantum solids and fluids. Subsequent studies with large particle accelerators have now led us to understand that space is more like a piece of window glass than ideal Newtonian emptiness. It is filled with 'stuff' that is normally transparent but can be made visible by hitting it sufficiently hard to knock out a part. The modern concept of the vacuum of space, confirmed every day by experiment, is a relativistic ether. But we do not call it this because it is taboo." - Robert B. Laughlin, Nobel Laureate in Physics, endowed chair in physics, Stanford University
Quote from: Littleenki on June 27, 2012, 06:37:32 PM
mmm hmmm...according to who, Einstein?
There are no real particles of matter, they are actually light waves, and dont exist separately from the aether, they are a part of them just having a field interaction, resulting in the appearance of matter. Bhagavad gita...Kybalion...Russell...so on and so forth.
The aether is the ALL, and we cant exist in it, we are a part of it.
Beans in the broth!:D
Cheers, MPC!
Littleenki
According to de Broglie, Einstein and Laughlin.
'Interpretation of quantum mechanics by the double solution theory - Louis de BROGLIE'
http://aflb.ensmp.fr/AFLB-classiques/aflb124p001.pdf
"When in 1923-1924 I had my first ideas about Wave Mechanics I was looking for a truly concrete physical image, valid for all particles, of the wave and particle coexistence discovered by Albert Einstein in his "Theory of light quanta". I had no doubt whatsoever about the physical reality of waves and particles."
"any particle, even isolated, has to be imagined as in continuous "energetic contact" with a hidden medium"
The hidden medium of de Broglie wave mechanics is the aether. The "energetic contact" is the state of displacement of the aether.
de Broglie's definition of wave-particle duality is of a physical particle having an associated physical wave.
'Ether and the Theory of Relativity by Albert Einstein'
http://www-groups.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~history/Extras/Einstein_ether.html
"According to the general theory of relativity space without ether is unthinkable"
"the state of the [ether] is at every place determined by connections with the matter and the state of the ether in neighbouring places"
The state of the aether at every place determined by connections with the matter and the state of the aether in neighboring places is the state of displacement of the aether. Einstein is referring to a particle which physically displaces the aether.
Subsequent studies with large particle accelerators have now led us to understand that space is more like a piece of window glass than ideal Newtonian emptiness. It is filled with 'stuff' that is normally transparent but can be made visible by hitting it sufficiently hard to knock out a part. - Robert B. Laughlin, Nobel Laureate in Physics, endowed chair in physics, Stanford University
The particle exists in and displaces the aether.
Quote from: hobbit on June 27, 2012, 06:45:06 PM
Those beans will definately cause a displacement in the aether.
hobbit
Exactly.
Particles of matter are condensations of aether. The particles of matter exist in and displace the aether.
"gravity and the relativistic matter pervading the universe are fundamentally related in some mysterious way that is not yet understood" - Laughlin
I understand it.
Aether has mass and physically occupies three dimensional space. Aether is physically displaced by matter. Displaced aether pushes back and exerts inward pressure toward matter.
Displaced aether pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward matter is gravity.
Substantially correct mpc!
Cheers!
Le :)
Quote from: mpc755 on June 27, 2012, 06:25:46 PM
This thread is titled 'Aether Displacement'. As far as I know there is nothing stopping you from starting your own thread.
Einstein defined motion in terms of the aether as aether does not consist of individual particles which can be separately tracked through time.
In aether displacement, which this thread is discussing, this is interpreted to mean it can not be known if aether consists of particles or not.
Right. Well I was answering and responding. Thank You for keeping things on track.
I may point out that I placed "etherons" in quotes, and also, that I don't believe they are considered to be "particles," per se, but PROPERTIES of local conditions in the aether.
Glad I could clarify.
Quote from: Amaterasu on June 28, 2012, 05:29:53 AM
I may point out that I placed "etherons" in quotes, and also, that I don't believe they are considered to be "particles," per se, but PROPERTIES of local conditions in the aether.
Glad I could clarify.
The Higg's boson is condensed aether. The particle knocked out of the window pane as described by Laughlin is condensed aether.
If you are willing to discuss particles of matter as condensations of aether which exist in and displace the aether then that is what this topic is about.
If you want to discuss the aether itself as consisting of anything itself, even if you place quotes around that something, is unwarranted and I would prefer you start another thread.
As far as I know and as far as this thread is concerned the aether is, or behaves as, a one something superfluid with properties of a solid which is capable of being condensed into particles of matter and which particles of matter are capable of evaporating into.
The equatorial rotation period of the Sun is 24.47 days. All planets orbit the Sun in planes, which form only small angles to the Sun's equatorial plane. Furthermore, all planets circle the Sun in the same direction as the Sun's sense of rotation. Please see Figures 4.1 and 4.2 on page 115 of my book GRAVITATIONAL FORCE OF THE SUN. The heliographic latitude of the planets is presented in Table 2.4, page 61 of my book. The earth rotates on its axis every 24 hours. All stars rotate. Johannes Kepler attributed the cause of gravitation to magnetism, and thought that the rotation of the Sun caused the planets to orbit it. In a recent paper in The Astrophysical Journal, volume 746, 43R (2012) Reiners et al. show that the rotation of the stars are related to magnetic field strength. How could the Aether, if it exists at all, cause the rotation of the celestial bodies?
Pari Spolter
orbpublishing@msn.com
Quote from: Pari Spolter on June 29, 2012, 02:26:12 AM
The equatorial rotation period of the Sun is 24.47 days. All planets orbit the Sun in planes, which form only small angles to the Sun's equatorial plane. Furthermore, all planets circle the Sun in the same direction as the Sun's sense of rotation. Please see Figures 4.1 and 4.2 on page 115 of my book GRAVITATIONAL FORCE OF THE SUN. The heliographic latitude of the planets is presented in Table 2.4, page 61 of my book. The earth rotates on its axis every 24 hours. All stars rotate. Johannes Kepler attributed the cause of gravitation to magnetism, and thought that the rotation of the Sun caused the planets to orbit it. In a recent paper in The Astrophysical Journal, volume 746, 43R (2012) Reiners et al. show that the rotation of the stars are related to magnetic field strength. How could the Aether, if it exists at all, cause the rotation of the celestial bodies?
Pari Spolter
orbpublishing@msn.com
Thanks Pari,
I didn't know where to start unravelling all of the errors and nonsense in this thread.
QuoteHow could the Aether, if it exists at all, cause the rotation of the celestial bodies?
Pari Spolter
Do you think it feasible that the celestial bodies are with in their own magnetic ballet and the surrounding "Space" or "Magnetic interaction" as it were is the thing that keeps the ballet going in a concise and rythmic pattern Pari?
1Worldwatcher
Global Moderator
Quote from: Pari Spolter on June 29, 2012, 02:26:12 AM
The equatorial rotation period of the Sun is 24.47 days. All planets orbit the Sun in planes, which form only small angles to the Sun's equatorial plane. Furthermore, all planets circle the Sun in the same direction as the Sun's sense of rotation. Please see Figures 4.1 and 4.2 on page 115 of my book GRAVITATIONAL FORCE OF THE SUN. The heliographic latitude of the planets is presented in Table 2.4, page 61 of my book. The earth rotates on its axis every 24 hours. All stars rotate. Johannes Kepler attributed the cause of gravitation to magnetism, and thought that the rotation of the Sun caused the planets to orbit it. In a recent paper in The Astrophysical Journal, volume 746, 43R (2012) Reiners et al. show that the rotation of the stars are related to magnetic field strength. How could the Aether, if it exists at all, cause the rotation of the celestial bodies?
Pari Spolter
orbpublishing@msn.com
'Milky Way's halo more squished than spherical'
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34735679/ns/technology_and_science-space/t/milky-ways-halo-more-squished-spherical/#.TjkpbmDmE2c
The Milky Way's halo is the state of displacement of the aether. The matter which would form the Milky Way was moving as it displaced the aether. The aether displaced perpendicular to the major direction of motion became the majority force of the displaced aether and forced the matter into the disk. This resulted in the angular momentum of the matter. It is the aether which is displaced outward relative to the plane of the angular momentum which exerts force toward the center of the Milky Way. This force, along with the state of displacement of the aether as determined by the angular momentum of the Milky Way, forced the matter closer together which resulted in the displaced aether looking like a squished beach ball. Aether displacement explains how the Milky Way was created and how the disk and halo formed.
Quote from: 1Worldwatcher on June 29, 2012, 03:16:49 AM
Do you think it feasible that the celestial bodies are with in their own magnetic ballet and the surrounding "Space" or "Magnetic interaction" as it were is the thing that keeps the ballet going in a concise and rythmic pattern Pari?
1Worldwatcher
Global Moderator
Displaced aether pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward matter is gravity.
Quote from: Pari Spolter on June 29, 2012, 02:26:12 AM
The equatorial rotation period of the Sun is 24.47 days. All planets orbit the Sun in planes, which form only small angles to the Sun's equatorial plane. Furthermore, all planets circle the Sun in the same direction as the Sun's sense of rotation. Please see Figures 4.1 and 4.2 on page 115 of my book GRAVITATIONAL FORCE OF THE SUN. The heliographic latitude of the planets is presented in Table 2.4, page 61 of my book. The earth rotates on its axis every 24 hours. All stars rotate. Johannes Kepler attributed the cause of gravitation to magnetism, and thought that the rotation of the Sun caused the planets to orbit it. In a recent paper in The Astrophysical Journal, volume 746, 43R (2012) Reiners et al. show that the rotation of the stars are related to magnetic field strength. How could the Aether, if it exists at all, cause the rotation of the celestial bodies?
Pari Spolter
orbpublishing@msn.com
Is Your book available on line?
IMHO,
The planets are not circulating the sun.
The sun is upon it's own spiral rote , and the planets are downstream of this on their own spiral paths.
The symbiotic interactions between the sun and planets is fibonacci sequenced.
The difficult part to describe is that this is all in a two direction phase conjugate manner, where everything is switching at it's own fibonacci sequence rate.
Nothing actually exists permanately.
The universe is a near solid of geometric perfectly packed shapes below anything in size We can comprehend.
The aether is the resonant flows that are flowing upon the mirror faces of the packed universe .
All so called movement is the illusion of movement, it is actually the sequencing of the switching on/rate relative to the observed.
You do not exist as anything seperate, all is one within it's own memory whorl.
I doubt We will agree?, but look forward to Your valued input, and I will listen carefully.
hobbit
Hello, Pari! and welcome to Pegasus!
I would like to take a peek at your book, too, as new ideas are the crux of how we move forward.
Amazon, I presume?
Many assume the planets orbit on a plane, but that plane may be nowhere near flat or even close.
Every planet chases the sun in a toroidal orbit which results from the entire solar system shifting through the aether, like archimedes' screw.
In your post, you said this...
QuoteAll planets orbit the Sun in planes
And this...
QuoteHow could the Aether, if it exists at all, cause the rotation of the celestial bodies?
Does your book define these planes as a dictionary does?
wiki:
QuoteAll of the planets, comets, and asteroids in the solar system are in orbit around the Sun. All of those orbits line up with each other making a semi-flat disk called the orbital plane.
This is my personal opinion here...and please dont take it as a disagreement or challenge to your's, as I am nowhere near being able to debate these observations of mine with someone who has spent years studying these things, it's just my take!
Be nice to me John!:D
I picture the solar systam as part of the aether, not a separate part from it, and as such, the "orbit" of the planets is akin to the vortex we see when water is rotating in a whirlpool. Hence the aether doesnt cause any rotation at all, but is just another part of the broth which is spiralling within itself, creating said vortex.
It is a fact that the center of any vortex on the very inside wall, at an atomic level, the velocity of shifting is infinite, and thats where the sun comes in, as that infinite velocity, effectively creates what some define as gravity.
Therefore, as certain fringe physicists have posed,(Haramein, Hoagland, etc.) the sun is a "black hole" or vortex center, and what happens to things that are trapped in a vortex?
They spiral around the center, without actually falling into it, but following it wherever it relocates.
I am no expert at orbiting planets, and there are others here which claim to be, so maybe they can come around and make this more clear, if possible.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWxcgJUCDxg
Cheers, Pari, and a warm welcome to PRC!
Littleenki
Here's a link to Her on utub.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EaT3Gm2ajvU
hobbit
Quote from: Littleenki on June 29, 2012, 03:35:12 PM
Hello, Pari! and welcome to Pegasus!
I would like to take a peek at your book, too, as new ideas are the crux of how we move forward.
Amazon, I presume?
Many assume the planets orbit on a plane, but that plane may be nowhere near flat or even close.
Every planet chases the sun in a toroidal orbit which results from the entire solar system shifting through the aether, like archimedes' screw.
In your post, you said this...
And this...
Does your book define these planes as a dictionary does?
wiki:
This is my personal opinion here...and please dont take it as a disagreement or challenge to your's, as I am nowhere near being able to debate these observations of mine with someone who has spent years studying these things, it's just my take!
Be nice to me John!:D
I picture the solar systam as part of the aether, not a separate part from it, and as such, the "orbit" of the planets is akin to the vortex we see when water is rotating in a whirlpool. Hence the aether doesnt cause any rotation at all, but is just another part of the broth which is spiralling within itself, creating said vortex.
It is a fact that the center of any vortex on the very inside wall, at an atomic level, the velocity of shifting is infinite, and thats where the sun comes in, as that infinite velocity, effectively creates what some define as gravity.
Therefore, as certain fringe physicists have posed,(Haramein, Hoagland, etc.) the sun is a "black hole" or vortex center, and what happens to things that are trapped in a vortex?
They spiral around the center, without actually falling into it, but following it wherever it relocates.
I am no expert at orbiting planets, and there are others here which claim to be, so maybe they can come around and make this more clear, if possible.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWxcgJUCDxg
Cheers, Pari, and a warm welcome to PRC!
Littleenki
If an object were at rest with respect to the state of the aether in which it exists there would still be gravity.
Displaced aether pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward matter is gravity.
Mpc quoted:
QuoteIf an object were at rest with respect to the state of the aether in which it exists there would still be gravity.
Displaced aether pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward matter is gravity.
Indeed, MPC, thats how it all connects, through the aether, well put, simply!
If I run across a room, the aether reacts to my relocation by compressing away from me while pushing back towards me....an energy differential which is called gravity.
Hobbit measures it as 55 to 34, and he's spent years finding those numbers.
Basically creation versus annihilation....push and reaction to everything else in the universe.
The sixth law...the law of cause and effect.
Is our solar system being pushed, or is it just relocating as a result of some other event somewhere within the quanta?
Deep stuff! But real interesting mind food!
Cheers, Mpc,
Le
Quote from: Littleenki on June 29, 2012, 07:56:47 PM
Mpc quoted:
Indeed, MPC, thats how it all connects, through the aether, well put, simply!
If I run across a room, the aether reacts to my relocation by compressing away from me while pushing back towards me....an energy differential which is called gravity.
Hobbit measures it as 55 to 34, and he's spent years finding those numbers.
Basically creation versus annihilation....push and reaction to everything else in the universe.
The sixth law...the law of cause and effect.
Is our solar system being pushed, or is it just relocating as a result of some other event somewhere within the quanta?
Deep stuff! But real interesting mind food!
Cheers, Mpc,
Le
The aether would no more react to your relocation than water would react on the hull of a ship that is moving in water, the ship merely moves and that is what you would be doing. The aether is all around you whether you are moving or still just as the water is around the ship moving or still.
Mikado
Mpc,
I should explain grasshoppers( littlenki ) saying 55/34.
Gravity doesn't exist except as a consequence, thats why they rightly can't detect any gravity so called waves.
Here around the Earth the consequence id the sequence net difference between 55 implosion versus 34 outrush.
I have found that rate due to wandering about as lonely as a cloud on My own noted exactly that which I observe.
That observation is of how the aether flows are detectable via dowsing.
Astronauts high above the surface are not subject to this sequence here at the surface, thus they have very little gravity( there will be some relative to distantance from this spheroids surface)
I use the name hobbit due to the fact that I operate via dowsing with that which is invisable to our dominant senses.
The aether is omni present in universe, but ALWAYS follows the path of least resistance, water is our nearest substance to visualise somewhat how the aether is reacting.
Transmutation is the KEY to better comprehending why there is a net inrush relative to this planet, the aether enables creation , and all of creation is memory based.
The grim reaper is annihilation.
This planet is in a state of growth, it is alive, it is a by product of the sun, the sun is a by product of galaxy.
hobbit
Quote from: Mikado on June 29, 2012, 08:10:24 PM
The aether would no more react to your relocation than water would react on the hull of a ship that is moving in water, the ship merely moves and that is what you would be doing. The aether is all around you whether you are moving or still just as the water is around the ship moving or still.
Mikado
Essentially correct ( glad to see You here)
But the ship moving in the water( steel) becomes magnetised relative to the hemisphere it is moving in.
Riddle Me that ?
hobbit
Quote from: hobbit on June 29, 2012, 08:21:04 PM
Essentially correct ( glad to see You here)
But the ship moving in the water( steel) becomes magnetised relative to the hemisphere it is moving in.
Riddle Me that ?
hobbit
Should I call you the riddler? <g>
It was the simplest simili I could think of at the time.
An object moving within the aether doesn't collect barnacles as a ship does either <g>
Mikado
Quote from: Mikado on June 29, 2012, 08:55:12 PM
Should I call you the riddler? <g>
It was the simplest simili I could think of at the time.
An object moving within the aether doesn't collect barnacles as a ship does either <g>
Mikado
http://www.microscopy-uk.org.uk/mag/indexmag.html?http://www.microscopy-uk.org.uk/mag/artjan99/barnac.html
Barnacles are very interesting to hobbits, and they have huge......parts.
They create six plates of calcium carbonate, Me thinks they know lots about the aether????
Back to the steel becoming magnetised... could it be that it becomes so from been in contact with a magntised medium??
Hence could the water itself first become magntised from coming in contact with a magnetised medium...the aether???
hobbit
How about the isogonic lines of force?
How about the movement of the salt water in a constant direction causing magnetization?
..for starters
Mikado
Quote from: Littleenki on June 29, 2012, 07:56:47 PM
Mpc quoted:
Indeed, MPC, thats how it all connects, through the aether, well put, simply!
If I run across a room, the aether reacts to my relocation by compressing away from me while pushing back towards me....an energy differential which is called gravity.
Hobbit measures it as 55 to 34, and he's spent years finding those numbers.
Basically creation versus annihilation....push and reaction to everything else in the universe.
The sixth law...the law of cause and effect.
Is our solar system being pushed, or is it just relocating as a result of some other event somewhere within the quanta?
Deep stuff! But real interesting mind food!
Cheers, Mpc,
Le
The aether is, or behaves similar to, a superfluid with properties of a solid; an incompressible fluid.
The faster an object moves with respect to the state of the aether in which it exists the more aether the object displaces.
The mass of the aether displaced by an object and the mass of the object itself is the relativistic mass of an object.
Quote from: Mikado on June 29, 2012, 08:10:24 PM
The aether would no more react to your relocation than water would react on the hull of a ship that is moving in water, the ship merely moves and that is what you would be doing. The aether is all around you whether you are moving or still just as the water is around the ship moving or still.
Mikado
Correct. A particle moving through the aether is analogous to a ship moving through the water. The faster the ship moves through the water the larger the bow wave. A ship's bow wave is its water displacement wave. The faster a particle moves through the aether the more the particle displaces the aether. The moving particle has an associated aether displacement wave.
In a double slit experiment the particle travels a well defined path which takes it through one slit while the associated aether wave passes through both.
A particle 'at rest' with respect to the state of the aether in which it exists still displaces the aether and the aether still pushes back and exerts inward pressure toward the particle. When you get to a 'particle' as large as the earth the displaced aether pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward the earth is gravity.
Quote from: mpc755 on June 29, 2012, 09:49:28 PM
Correct. A particle moving through the aether is analogous to a ship moving through the water. The faster the ship moves through the water the larger the bow wave. A ship's bow wave is its water displacement wave. The faster a particle moves through the aether the more the particle displaces the aether. The moving particle has an associated aether displacement wave.
In a double slit experiment the particle travels a well defined path which takes it through one slit while the associated aether wave passes through both.
A particle 'at rest' with respect to the state of the aether in which it exists still displaces the aether and the aether still pushes back and exerts inward pressure toward the particle. When you get to a 'particle' as large as the earth the displaced aether pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward the earth is gravity.
And that is why I use the term "displacement" when it comes to the effect that a Gravitor has on the aether.
Nice writing.
Mikado
Quote from: hobbit on June 29, 2012, 08:16:01 PM
Mpc,
I should explain grasshoppers( littlenki ) saying 55/34.
Gravity doesn't exist except as a consequence, thats why they rightly can't detect any gravity so called waves.
Here around the Earth the consequence id the sequence net difference between 55 implosion versus 34 outrush.
I have found that rate due to wandering about as lonely as a cloud on My own noted exactly that which I observe.
That observation is of how the aether flows are detectable via dowsing.
Astronauts high above the surface are not subject to this sequence here at the surface, thus they have very little gravity( there will be some relative to distantance from this spheroids surface)
I use the name hobbit due to the fact that I operate via dowsing with that which is invisable to our dominant senses.
The aether is omni present in universe, but ALWAYS follows the path of least resistance, water is our nearest substance to visualise somewhat how the aether is reacting.
Transmutation is the KEY to better comprehending why there is a net inrush relative to this planet, the aether enables creation , and all of creation is memory based.
The grim reaper is annihilation.
This planet is in a state of growth, it is alive, it is a by product of the sun, the sun is a by product of galaxy.
hobbit
Surprise! IBEX Finds No Bow 'Shock' Outside our Solar System'
http://www.universetoday.com/95094/surprise-ibex-finds-no-bow-shock-outside-our-solar-system/
'"While bow shocks certainly exist ahead of many other stars, we're finding that our Sun's interaction doesn't reach the critical threshold to form a shock," said Dr. David McComas, principal investigator of the IBEX mission, "so a wave is a more accurate depiction of what's happening ahead of our heliosphere — much like the wave made by the bow of a boat as it glides through the water."'
The wave ahead of our heliosphere is an aether displacement wave. This is evidence of a moving 'particle', the solar system, having an associated aether wave.
'Hubble Finds Ghostly Ring of Dark Matter'
http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/hubble/news/dark_matter_ring_feature.html
"Astronomers using NASA's Hubble Space Telescope got a first-hand view of how dark matter behaves during a titanic collision between two galaxy clusters. The wreck created a ripple of dark mater, which is somewhat similar to a ripple formed in a pond when a rock hits the water."
The 'pond' consists of aether. The moving 'particles' are the galaxy clusters. The ripple is an aether displacement wave. The ripple is a gravitational wave. This is also evidence of a moving 'particle', the galaxy clusters, having an associated aether wave.
'Giant black hole kicked out of home galaxy'
http://www.astronomy.com/en/News-Observing/News/2012/06/Giant%20black%20hole%20kicked%20out%20of%20home%20galaxy.aspx
"But these new data support the idea that gravitational waves — ripples in the fabric of space first predicted by Albert Einstein but never detected directly — can exert an extremely powerful force."
The fabric of space is the aether.
Gravitational waves are ripples in the aether.
What ripples when galaxy clusters collide is what waves in a double slit experiment; the aether.
Einstein's gravitational wave is de Broglie's pilot-wave.
They are both aether displacement waves.
Quote from: hobbit on June 29, 2012, 09:21:13 PM
http://www.microscopy-uk.org.uk/mag/indexmag.html?http://www.microscopy-uk.org.uk/mag/artjan99/barnac.html
Barnacles are very interesting to hobbits, and they have huge......parts.
They create six plates of calcium carbonate, Me thinks they know lots about the aether????
Back to the steel becoming magnetised... could it be that it becomes so from been in contact with a magntised medium??
Hence could the water itself first become magntised from coming in contact with a magnetised medium...the aether???
hobbit
'Ether and the Theory of Relativity - Albert Einstein'
http://www.tu-harburg.de/rzt/rzt/it/Ether.html
"Since according to our present conceptions the elementary particles of matter are also, in their essence, nothing else than condensations of the electromagnetic field"
The electromagnetic field is a state of aether. Matter is condensations of aether.
'DOES THE INERTIA OF A BODY DEPEND UPON ITS ENERGY-CONTENT?' A. EINSTEIN
http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/E_mc2/e_mc2.pdf
"If a body gives off the energy L in the form of radiation, its mass diminishes by L/c2."
The mass of the body does diminish. However, the matter which no longer exists as part of the body has not vanished; it still exists, as aether. Matter evaporates into aether. As matter evaporates into aether it expands into neighboring places; which is energy. Mass is conserved.
When a nuclear bomb explodes matter evaporates into aether. The evaporation is energy. Mass is conserved.
All good if you consider that a particle is a different thing than the aether itself.
Some say the particle is part of the aether, which inversely is all particles.
Some say particles are "in" the aether and therefore are separate from it.
Depends on which you subscribe to, really.
At the deepest level it's all one.
Of course there may be a way to differentiate the different levels of atomic structures right on up to galaxies, planets, and ships "moving through the water"
But the basest definition of it all, is that it is one.
Interesting thread nevertheless, and this one will probably go on for a while I hope.
We can all say what we think it is or what someone has postulated or theorized tt is, but the truth is, noone really knows.
This book, that article...all speculation at any level, really.
well, almost noone...
Le
Great research mpc755,
gave you one of my gold my friend, keep up the good work, will keep a close eye for what is too come , really thinking the right track is with in grasp, for sure.
Keep in mind, I am not a scientist, I am a novice Yacht man at best. ;)
I have done research into to applications of wave propagation's and magnetic influences myself, this was in the days o infancy of the PRC forums, so do enjoy what has been discussed thus far.
The work I did on it is saved in archival, but Will try to find it for your review, seemingly the Chinese had used powerful magnet's to write on water. Was in touch with the researchers for a time, back in 2005, but since have lost all contact with these individuals, but they did confide in me that they were on to something big, now we have high floating railgun yielding stealth water vessels coming into play. Not saying they were or are associated with this inception of naval apparatus, but it is strange how they all fell too the way side of topical conversation's..
1Wordlwatcher
Global Moderator
Quote from: Littleenki on June 29, 2012, 10:02:00 PM
All good if you consider that a particle is a different thing than the aether itself.
Some say the particle is part of the aether, which inversely is all particles.
Some say particles are "in" the aether and therefore are separate from it.
Depends on which you subscribe to, really.
At the deepest level it's all one.
Of course there may be a way to differentiate the different levels of atomic structures right on up to galaxies, planets, and ships "moving through the water"
But the basest definition of it all, is that it is one.
Interesting thread nevertheless, and this one will probably go on for a while I hope.
We can all say what we think it is or what someone has postulated or theorized tt is, but the truth is, noone really knows.
This book, that article...all speculation at any level, really.
well, almost noone...
Le
Particles of matter are condensations of aether which exist in and displace the aether.
A not so great analogy is an ice cube in a drink of water. The ice cube is a solid version of liquid water which exists in and displaces the water. The ice melts into liquid water.
Matter evaporates into aether. When a nuclear bomb explodes matter evaporates into aether. The evaporation is energy. Mass is conserved.
Chicken and egg, which came first???
I say a sound came first.
The consequences came next.
The confusion arises from the ongoing symbiotic interactions.but the maker made the creation.
The mass is created by the aether, the aether maintains it's creation, and annihilates it.
Spin is imparted to the aether relative to the geometry of the fixed form of universe, the geometry leads into vortex finite points where the spin counter rotates and vortexs out.
This is the basis of breathing in/out, of compression and decompression, hot and cold. yin and yang.
hobbit
One more thing I would like too add, if I may, is the "Aether" as a whole. We here seem to have our own takes on what it could possibly be with no real explanation o of the "How's"" it could be, LE said something that sparked a thought with in me, "What if all the solar systems combined is creating the aether as we know it, and there for remains unexplainable for deductive understanding of how it came to be?"
Just a thought with in the premises of the conversation. After all, we know friction does cause magnification, without it magnification would be just as rare as Iridium, but knowing what we know, it is fare too say and extrapolate that it has to have a beginning scenario to be what it is today in our conceptual minds.
I do believe we are the on the right path, but the members here are the reason for this right path assumption, EG/EM are all good, but there is more too the theories by way of explanation using something that is in abundance and readily available, perpetual motion happens, there fore, we should know how to create this effect for further understanding of our Universe as we know it thus far.
1Worldwatcher
Global Moderator
Quote from: hobbit on June 29, 2012, 10:29:13 PM
Chicken and egg, which came first???
I say a sound came first.
The consequences came next.
The confusion arises from the ongoing symbiotic interactions.but the maker made the creation.
The mass is created by the aether, the aether maintains it's creation, and annihilates it.
Spin is imparted to the aether relative to the geometry of the fixed form of universe, the geometry leads into vortex finite points where the spin counter rotates and vortexs out.
This is the basis of breathing in/out, of compression and decompression, hot and cold. yin and yang.
hobbit
'Was the universe born spinning?'
http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/46688
"The universe was born spinning and continues to do so around a preferred axis"
The Universe spins around a preferred axis because the Universe is, or the local Universe we exist in is in, a jet; analogous to the polar jet of a black hole.
'Mysterious Cosmic 'Dark Flow' Tracked Deeper into Universe'
http://www.nasa.gov/centers/goddard/news/releases/2010/10-023.html
'The clusters appear to be moving along a line extending from our solar system toward Centaurus/Hydra, but the direction of this motion is less certain. Evidence indicates that the clusters are headed outward along this path, away from Earth, but the team cannot yet rule out the opposite flow. "We detect motion along this axis, but right now our data cannot state as strongly as we'd like whether the clusters are coming or going," Kashlinsky said.'
The clusters are headed along this path because the Universe is, or the local Universe we exist in is in, a jet.
The following is an image analogous of the Universal jet.
http://aether.lbl.gov/image_all.html
The reason for the 'expansion' of the universe is the continual emission of aether into the Universal jet. Three dimensional space associated with the Universe itself is not expanding. What we see in our telescopes is the matter associated with the Universe moving outward and away from the Universal jet emission point. In the image above, '1st Stars' is where aether condenses into matter.
The following is an image analogous of the Universe, or the local Universe, we exist in.
http://www.astro.ucla.edu/planetarium/graphics/st_images/BlackHole.jpg
The following is an image analogous of the Universal spin.
http://i.space.com/images/i/612/i02/040817_quasar_illo_02.jpg?1292259454
Dark energy is aether emitted into the Universal jet.
It's not the Big Bang. It's the Big Ongoing.
Quote from: mpc755 on June 29, 2012, 10:32:24 PM
Curved spacetime is displaced aether.
'Was the universe born spinning?'
http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/46688
"The universe was born spinning and continues to do so around a preferred axis"
The Universe spins around a preferred axis because the Universe is, or the local Universe we exist in is in, a jet; analogous to the polar jet of a black hole.
'Mysterious Cosmic 'Dark Flow' Tracked Deeper into Universe'
http://www.nasa.gov/centers/goddard/news/releases/2010/10-023.html
'The clusters appear to be moving along a line extending from our solar system toward Centaurus/Hydra, but the direction of this motion is less certain. Evidence indicates that the clusters are headed outward along this path, away from Earth, but the team cannot yet rule out the opposite flow. "We detect motion along this axis, but right now our data cannot state as strongly as we'd like whether the clusters are coming or going," Kashlinsky said.'
The clusters are headed along this path because the Universe is, or the local Universe we exist in is in, a jet.
The following is an image analogous of the Universal jet.
http://aether.lbl.gov/image_all.html
The reason for the 'expansion' of the universe is the continual emission of aether into the Universal jet. Three dimensional space associated with the Universe itself is not expanding. What we see in our telescopes is the matter associated with the Universe moving outward and away from the Universal jet emission point. In the image above, '1st Stars' is where aether condenses into matter.
The following is an image analogous of the Universe, or the local Universe, we exist in.
http://www.astro.ucla.edu/planetarium/graphics/st_images/BlackHole.jpg
The following is an image analogous of the Universal spin.
http://i.space.com/images/i/612/i02/040817_quasar_illo_02.jpg?1292259454
Dark energy is aether emitted into the Universal jet.
It's not the Big Bang. It's the Big Ongoing.
The accepted comprehension can provide uncountable links to that comprehension.
I rely on My personal observation, and it does not comply to the accepted norm.
The aether is not been displaced by the mass, the mass is reacting to the alteration in the phase conjugate aether flows, the illusion is of a seperate mass that creates displacement.
The mass doesn't actually exist except within a local dual spin of aether around it's pole...the caduceus.
There is an in balance relative to the spin of aether around the hemispheres, the northern been dominant.
This is due to transmutation into mass in 2D.
hobbit
Quote from: hobbit on June 29, 2012, 10:43:24 PMThe aether is not been displaced by the mass
We are going to have to agree to disagree. This thread is titled 'Aether Displacement', which means particles of matter which are condensations of aether exist in and displace the aether.
Now, of course, you do not have to agree with this. However, this is what this thread is about.
As far as I know, you are capable of starting your own thread to discuss your ideas. Please do so. Thanks.
Quote from: mpc755 on June 29, 2012, 10:19:19 PM
Matter evaporates into aether. When a nuclear bomb explodes matter evaporates into aether. The evaporation is energy. Mass is conserved.
Therefore, if the aether condenses matter, and different types of (i.e. Aluminum @ 26.9 versus copper @63.5)matter as we know it has different mass then matter with high mass versus matter with low mass has a greater concentration of the aether.
Secondly, since you brought up the nuclear explosion, would you say that if one could remove the effects of the aether condensing matter than that matter would dissolve? My answer is yes.
Mikado
Ouch ,mpc, threads are for discussion, anyone can discuss.
Im enjoying what youve posted, and Im sure we will all learn here!
You cant have threads of your very own.
We are a team here, buddy, lets be cool.
Cheers
Le
And I agree with you and it would be the most horrifying weapon ever devised. Any disagreement on that Mikado? Linda
Ouch, Mikado, a fission bomb?
That would be nasty!
Le
No..... he is not talking fission bomb. Littleenki.
Linda
Pineapples anyone?
Lle
Not fission, not pineapples.
and yes Linda, something entirely different.
Mikado
Tell us, tell us!:)
Le
Neutralization of radioactive material, perhaps...? Just a guess.
correct me if I am wrong Mikado but if I were to borrow some lines from the Navigator... it would be the ability to simply convince matter.... to be ... no more.
To " forget" the bonds that make matter what it is?
"would you say that if one could remove the effects of the aether condensing matter than that matter would dissolve? My answer is yes.
Have I translated your meaning well enough?No need for explanations. A simple yes or no will do.
Thanks
Linda
Quote from: Mikado on June 29, 2012, 11:49:04 PM
Therefore, if the aether condenses matter, and different types of (i.e. Aluminum @ 26.9 versus copper @63.5)matter as we know it has different mass then matter with high mass versus matter with low mass has a greater concentration of the aether.
Secondly, since you brought up the nuclear explosion, would you say that if one could remove the effects of the aether condensing matter than that matter would dissolve? My answer is yes.
Mikado
Aether condenses [into] matter. Aether and matter are different states of the same material.
A nuclear bomb explosion removes the effects of some of the condensed matter associated with the nuclear material by causing some of the nuclear material to evaporate into aether. Or, did I not understand the question?
Quote from: Littleenki on June 30, 2012, 12:14:17 AM
Ouch ,mpc, threads are for discussion, anyone can discuss.
Im enjoying what youve posted, and Im sure we will all learn here!
You cant have threads of your very own.
We are a team here, buddy, lets be cool.
Cheers
Le
I am trying to be cool. However, if someone posts something to the effect of, "matter does not displace aether" when that is what this topic is about then there really is no reason for that poster to continue to post on this thread. It is obvious that poster is not going to change their mind.
If you started a thread titled "water is wet" and a poster continually responded with "no, water is dry" then after a while when you realized that poster was not going to change their mind and was just going to continually post "no, water is dry" on your "water is wet" thread then after a while isn't it okay to suggest to that poster that you are going to have to agree to disagree and that poster should start another thread if they want to discuss "water is dry"?
Quote from: mpc755 on June 30, 2012, 06:30:22 AM
If you started a thread titled "water is wet" and a poster continually responded with "no, water is dry" then after a while when you realized that poster was not going to change their mind and was just going to continually post "no, water is dry" on your "water is wet" thread then after a while isn't it okay to suggest to that poster that you are going to have to agree to disagree and that poster should start another thread if they want to discuss "water is dry"?
Well the problem that I see is that a lot of people with great minds have different theories on whether or not the aether exists or not and what exactly its properties are. As far as I can tell, no one yet has come up with proof as to which theory is correct.
Until that happens your ideas are as sound as anyone else's. This is a free discussion forum and as such you will find disagreements
Now as to water being wet or dry. it is like the three questions we have in the registration;
1. What color is the sun
2. What color is the grass
3. what color is the sky
All those that joined gae the accepted answer but we all know there are several answers, all true
Is water Dry?
There Is Such Thing As Dry WaterQuoteDon't ask me what voodoo they used but scientists have created dry water. Well, they originally invented it back in 1968 but they've recently re-discovered it and this time, found an actual use for it.
First, dry water, how does that even make sense? Ben Carter, Ph.D, the researcher, explains:
[It's] known as "dry water" because it consists of 95 percent water and yet is a dry powder. Each powder particle contains a water droplet surrounded by modified silica, the stuff that makes up ordinary beach sand. The silica coating prevents the water droplets from combining and turning back into a liquid. The result is a fine powder that can slurp up gases, which chemically combine with the water molecules to form what chemists term a hydrate.
http://gizmodo.com/5624936/there-is-such-thing-as-dry-water
So both answers are correct Water is wet and water is dry :D
Quote from: mpc755 on June 29, 2012, 10:59:08 PM
We are going to have to agree to disagree. This thread is titled 'Aether Displacement', which means particles of matter which are condensations of aether exist in and displace the aether.
Now, of course, you do not have to agree with this. However, this is what this thread is about.
As far as I know, you are capable of starting your own thread to discuss your ideas. Please do so. Thanks.
If a thread was titled,
Only those who agree with this theory are allowed to reply?????
You would then have a cult.
It's how religions operate, they only allow those who agree, and have the same belief.
The beauty of a site such as pegasus is the variety of different comprehensions that are seeking correct answers together.
You present Your comprehension as of mass displacing the aether, and that the aether is pushing back against the mass.
With respect, that is the illusion , and an apparent consequence.
I am not disagreeing with the statement that mass arises from a TRANSMUTATION from one state to another which a seemingly none existant aether facilitates.
What I am trying to suggest is that very transmutation process is similer to steam transmuting to water, in that on this planet, that is in a near constant state and the net result is the formation of mass...a growing alive planet...and that a further consequence is a net inrush we call gravity.
Excellent thread OP.
hobbit
Hello LE, I just thought you might need me to toss a pinapple in this thread 8)
http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a286609.pdf (http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a286609.pdf)
Aha, Raymond, well tossed my friend! And caught...I was thinking they were talking something completely different...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqosS6DBwhA
And some math...Im seeing it differently every day, buddy!
Thinking of you, and tell Dc hi!
Le
Quote from: Linda Brown on June 30, 2012, 03:48:57 AM
correct me if I am wrong Mikado but if I were to borrow some lines from the Navigator... it would be the ability to simply convince matter.... to be ... no more.
To " forget" the bonds that make matter what it is?
"would you say that if one could remove the effects of the aether condensing matter than that matter would dissolve? My answer is yes.
Have I translated your meaning well enough?No need for explanations. A simple yes or no will do.
Thanks
Linda
yes
Sadly........ thankyou...............Linda
From Zorgon
What color is the sun?
I kept putting in white. "xxx", maybe I misspelled it, white "xxx"
Maybe this was a trick question! "xxx"
OK, "Yellow", yea your in....Silly deuem!
Quote from: zorgon on June 30, 2012, 07:17:46 AM
Well the problem that I see is that a lot of people with great minds have different theories on whether or not the aether exists or not and what exactly its properties are. As far as I can tell, no one yet has come up with proof as to which theory is correct.
Until that happens your ideas are as sound as anyone else's. This is a free discussion forum and as such you will find disagreements
Now as to water being wet or dry. it is like the three questions we have in the registration;
1. What color is the sun
2. What color is the grass
3. what color is the sky
All those that joined gae the accepted answer but we all know there are several answers, all true
Is water Dry?
There Is Such Thing As Dry Water
http://gizmodo.com/5624936/there-is-such-thing-as-dry-water
So both answers are correct Water is wet and water is dry :D
Matter can't displace and not displace aether at the same time.
In aether displacement, aether has mass and physically occupies three dimensional space. Aether physically occupies three dimensional space. Aether IS physically displaced by matter. Displaced aether pushes back and exerts inward pressure toward the matter. Displaced aether pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward matter IS gravity.
I think there should be a limit to the number of times I have to respond to a "no it doesn't" post.
Quote from: hobbit on June 30, 2012, 07:34:28 AM
If a thread was titled,
Only those who agree with this theory are allowed to reply?????
You would then have a cult.
It's how religions operate, they only allow those who agree, and have the same belief.
The beauty of a site such as pegasus is the variety of different comprehensions that are seeking correct answers together.
You present Your comprehension as of mass displacing the aether, and that the aether is pushing back against the mass.
First of all, in aether displacement, the aether has mass. If you read the very first three words of my original post you would know this. This thread starts with, "Aether has mass". So for you to say "aether is pushing back against the mass" shows you have not taken the time to understand what aether displacement is about.
Aether and matter are different states of the same material.
Aether and matter have mass.
As far as we know there is no space, nor any part of three dimensional space, devoid of mass.
QuoteWith respect, that is the illusion , and an apparent consequence.
I understand that is you opinion. However, aether displaced by matter is what AETHER DISPLACEMENT is all about.
QuoteI am not disagreeing with the statement that mass arises from a TRANSMUTATION from one state to another which a seemingly none existant aether facilitates.
What I am trying to suggest is that very transmutation process is similer to steam transmuting to water, in that on this planet, that is in a near constant state and the net result is the formation of mass...a growing alive planet...and that a further consequence is a net inrush we call gravity.
Excellent thread OP.
hobbit
And I am stating that there is no inrush we call gravity.
Mass is that which physically occupies three dimensional space.
Aether has mass.
Aether is displaced by matter.
Displaced aether pushes back and exerts inward pressure toward matter.
Displaced aether pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward matter IS gravity.
Mpc, you just agreed with hobbit.
Le
What? Well blow me blowdown pipes cause I don't see it!
If you have a glass of water, and put a rock in it, the water is displaced by the rock
If either is indeed a 'substance' then it only follows logically that if a rock (matter) is placed in the aether, the aether would be displaced
Seems simple enough to me but heck what do I know?
::)
That is the problem with metaphor's, they are never quite right.
The difference is that the rock(matter) is not the result of the water but matter is the result of the aether.
Mikado
Quote from: zorgon on July 01, 2012, 01:11:38 AM
Seems simple enough to me but heck what do I know?
::)
It is that simple. ;)
Quote from: Littleenki on July 01, 2012, 12:14:10 AM
Mpc, you just agreed with hobbit.
Le
Quote from: hobbit on June 30, 2012, 07:34:28 AMWith respect, that is the illusion
Aether displacement is not an illusion. Aether displacement is what occurs physically in nature.
Aether is physically displaced by matter.
Quote from: zorgon on July 01, 2012, 01:11:38 AM
If you have a glass of water, and put a rock in it, the water is displaced by the rock
If either is indeed a 'substance' then it only follows logically that if a rock (matter) is placed in the aether, the aether would be displaced
The better analogy is placing an ice cube in a glass of water. The ice cube displaces the water.
The ice cube can be considered to be 'codensations' of water. The ice cube 'evaporates' into water.
QuoteSeems simple enough to me but heck what do I know?
::)
You correctly understand what occurs physically in nature better than mainstream physics.
QuoteAether and matter are different states of the same material.
Ah, so aether and matter are the same. :)
QuoteAether is displaced by matter.
Huh? Something is displaced by itself?? ???
QuoteDisplaced aether pushes back and exerts inward pressure toward matter.
Oh, so aether isnt matter??...biggger HUH? ??? ???
QuoteDisplaced aether pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward matter IS gravity.
Ok, aether is matter, but it is able push back against itself? ??? ??? ???
Triple Huh???
Le
Quote from: Littleenki on July 01, 2012, 02:40:11 PM
Ah, so aether and matter are the same. :)
Aether and matter are different states of the same material.
QuoteHuh? Something is displaced by itself?? ???
Ice consists of the same material as does liquid water. When you place an ice cube into a drink of water the ice cube displaces the water. The ice cube exists in and displaces the water.
Particles of matter are condensations of aether. Particles of matter exist in and displace the aether.
QuoteOh, so aether isnt matter??...biggger HUH? ??? ???
Aether is matter in its 'evaporated' state; analogous to water is ice in its melted state.
QuoteOk, aether is matter, but it is able push back against itself? ??? ??? ???
When you place an ice cube into a drink of water the water pushes back and exerts inward pressure toward the ice cube.
Particles of matter exist in and displace the aether. The aether pushes back and exerts inward pressure toward the particles of matter.
When you get to something as large as the Earth, the aether displaced by the particles of matter the Earth consists of pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward the Earth is gravity.
Gravity is a PUSH, not a PULL
T. Townsend Brown
1923
Reading this, I am reminded of the Wright Brothers.
Quote from: Linda Brown on July 01, 2012, 02:53:09 PM
Gravity is a PUSH, not a PULL
T. Townsend Brown
1923
I think Le Sage is the best known push theory of gravity. However, I think it is incorrect to think of there as being particles associated with the aether.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_Sage%27s_theory_of_gravitation
It is the aether itself which is displaced by matter which
pushes back and exerts inward pressure toward matter which
is gravity.
The aether which exists between the Earth and the Moon is displaced by both the Earth and the Moon and is pushing back toward the Earth and toward the Moon. This displaced aether offsets and cancels each other out to some degree. You can think of this aether as being more 'at rest' than the aether which encompasses the Earth and the Moon.
The aether which encompasses the Earth and the Moon is able to exert more pressure on the solid matter Earth than it can the liquid oceans. This causes the solid matter Earth to be pushed closer to the Moon than the ocean water opposite the Moon. This causes the ocean to 'rise' opposite the Moon. The aether displaced between the Earth and Moon is able to exert less pressure on the ocean water between the Earth and the Moon than it can the solid matter Earth. This causes the ocean to 'rise' between the Earth and Moon.
So, aether and matter are the same. :)
An ice cube in a glass of water is like the surface of the water meeting the atmosphere.
Still all the same. Different densities of the same thing.
Different molecules, and isotopes of the same element at it's base, (hydrogen?), and thats where Dr Brown saw the light.
And then Im reminded of ORME. Or transmutation, which takes the aether and makes everything in existence from it.
Are we flying yet, Wilbur? :)
Le
Quote from: Littleenki on July 01, 2012, 03:12:36 PM
So, aether and matter are the same. :)
It is not accurate to same aether and matter are the same. Aether and matter are different states of the same material.
Ice is
not the same as liquid water.
It is difficult to tell since you intersperse your innuendo with sarcasm which on some levels shows a bit of arrogance...or are you just having fun?
Quote from: Littleenki on July 01, 2012, 02:40:11 PM
Ah, so aether and matter are the same. :)
Huh? Something is displaced by itself?? ???
Oh, so aether isnt matter??...biggger HUH? ??? ???
Ok, aether is matter, but it is able push back against itself? ??? ??? ???
Triple Huh???
Le
Just my opinion but look at your post.
You find it indredulous that something is being displaced by itself but isn't that what ice and water are? They are the same just different states.
Have fun.
Mikado
Quote from: mpc755 on July 01, 2012, 03:16:11 PM
It is not accurate to same aether and matter are the same. Aether and matter are different states of the Quotesame material.
Ice is not the same as liquid water.
Same material....isotopes of hydrogen and oxygen.
Yes, ice is the same as water, as the elemental makeup is the same.
Freezing slows the specific molecules of liquid water, causing them to slow to the point of becoming a seeming solid.
Entropy occurs within ice, and it resumes its liquid state through such.
All the while, gravity is pushing against us from the spherical plane, and is the result of implosion from every direction imaginable...close to what Legage says, but on a more multi dimensional level.
Annihalation is the resistance to the creation, and if creation were a bit stronger we would all float off into space, which of course would be anti gravity.
If gravity was only a push, we would all look like pancakes.
And if it was all pull, we would be a double stack of self same pancakes.
So it is a balance between the two forces of the universe...creation versus annihalation, and as of now Hobbit has the closest theory of how the difference keeps us shaped like we are, in our meat suits. 55 vs 34.
Try dowsing, it will shed the lead armor, and bring in a new suit of titanium chain mail. I have, and it makes everything easier to understand, as the universe talks to us through the rods, which are just a metal metaphor for our desire to learn.
Cheers!
Littleenki
Going out on a limb.
I have been reading this forum in various different arenas or threads. I see many theories here and there are some areas that I have found interesting as well as enlightening.
When it comes to the aether, there are several different ideas that seem to "float" around. Primarily, I have seen a goodly amount of twisted established science being expressed. If someone cannot express established science than how can one be expected to correctly identify that which is anomalous to that established science?
What mpc755 has posted, so far, is one of the closest "cliff notes" interpretation of Dr. Brown's theory on the aether.
So far, mpc755 is spot on. I would recommend that those that are serious in following Dr. Brown take heed.
Just my two cents,
Mikado
Semantics. Important Semantics..... but semantics still. Ice is NOT the "same thing as water" fer one thing... its colder! and its harder! right? But underneath when it has undergone a melting process... Only then is it the same.
And Mikado is right here...
"If someone cannot express established science than how can one be expected to correctly identify that which is anomalous to that established science?
The anomaly has to be identified and you can't do that without a base to stand on. And each statement has to be carefully considered.
Linda
Quote from: Littleenki on July 01, 2012, 03:41:19 PM
Ice is not the same as liquid water.
Same material....isotopes of hydrogen and oxygen.
Yes, ice is the same as water, as the elemental makeup is the same.
Freezing slows the specific molecules of liquid water, causing them to slow to the point of becoming a seeming solid.
Entropy occurs within ice, and it resumes its liquid state through such.
All the while, gravity is pushing against us from the spherical plane, and is the result of implosion from every direction imaginable...close to what Legage says, but on a more multi dimensional level.
Annihalation is the resistance to the creation, and if creation were a bit stronger we would all float off into space, which of course would be anti gravity.
If gravity was only a push, we would all look like pancakes.
And if it was all pull, we would be a double stack of self same pancakes.
So it is a balance between the two forces of the universe...creation versus annihalation, and as of now Hobbit has the closest theory of how the difference keeps us shaped like we are, in our meat suits. 55 vs 34.
Try dowsing, it will shed the lead armor, and bring in a new suit of titanium chain mail. I have, and it makes everything easier to understand, as the universe talks to us through the rods, which are just a metal metaphor for our desire to learn.
Cheers!
Littleenki
WHAT!?!?!?!?
Do you even know what "entropy" is?
"Entropy occurs within ice, and it resumes its liquid state through such."
The change in the states of matter are not entropic and that gross mistake says it all.
The burning of wood is entropic. You cannot reverse the process regardless of how much energy you put into it.
When ice melts into water, a change of state, it can be returned to ice again.
Smoke cannot be turned back into wood.
Mikado
Quote from: Linda Brown on July 01, 2012, 03:45:28 PM
Semantics. Important Semantics..... but semantics still.
Move along, move along, move along. Times wasting. Linda
Not semantics Linda, and you know it.
Mikado
Quote from: Littleenki on July 01, 2012, 03:41:19 PM
Ice is not the same as liquid water.
Same material....isotopes of hydrogen and oxygen.
Yes, ice is the same as water, as the elemental makeup is the same.
Freezing slows the specific molecules of liquid water, causing them to slow to the point of becoming a seeming solid.
Entropy occurs within ice, and it resumes its liquid state through such.
All the while, gravity is pushing against us from the spherical plane, and is the result of implosion from every direction imaginable...close to what Legage says, but on a more multi dimensional level.
Annihalation is the resistance to the creation, and if creation were a bit stronger we would all float off into space, which of course would be anti gravity.
If gravity was only a push, we would all look like pancakes.
And if it was all pull, we would be a double stack of self same pancakes.
So it is a balance between the two forces of the universe...creation versus annihalation, and as of now Hobbit has the closest theory of how the difference keeps us shaped like we are, in our meat suits. 55 vs 34.
Try dowsing, it will shed the lead armor, and bring in a new suit of titanium chain mail. I have, and it makes everything easier to understand, as the universe talks to us through the rods, which are just a metal metaphor for our desire to learn.
Cheers!
Littleenki
Here we go. A poster who is unable to understand there is a difference between ice and liquid water...
Now, what am I supposed to do with such a poster? How many times do I have to repeat the obvious post that ice
is different than liquid water?
Aren't I now at the point with a poster who is unable to understand that there is a difference between ice and water that I can request they start their own thread to discuss their ideas?
How about the fact that I am using ice and water as
analogous to aether and matter? Do I have to spend the rest of the day trying to convince a poster that ice
is different than liquid water? What am I supposed to do with a poster who is unable to understand when you put an ice cube into a drink of water the ice cube displaces the liquid water? What am I supposed to do with a poster who is unable to understand the ice cube displaces the water because they are different?
Here is what I do know (in addition to understanding ice and liquid water are not the same thing).
Aether has mass and physically occupies three dimensional space. Aether is physically displaced by matter. Displaced aether pushes back and exerts inward pressure toward matter.
Displaced aether pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward matter is gravity.
A moving particle has an associated aether displacement wave. In a double slit experiment the particle travels a well defined path which takes it through one slit while the associated aether wave passes through both.
There is no such thing as non-baryonic dark matter traveling with matter. Matter moves through and displaces the aether.
Quote from: Mikado on July 01, 2012, 03:44:01 PM
Going out on a limb.
I have been reading this forum in various different arenas or threads. I see many theories here and there are some areas that I have found interesting as well as enlightening.
When it comes to the aether, there are several different ideas that seem to "float" around. Primarily, I have seen a goodly amount of twisted established science being expressed. If someone cannot express established science than how can one be expected to correctly identify that which is anomalous to that established science?
What mpc755 has posted, so far, is one of the closest "cliff notes" interpretation of Dr. Brown's theory on the aether.
So far, mpc755 is spot on. I would recommend that those that are serious in following Dr. Brown take heed.
Just my two cents,
Mikado
I figured out aether displacement almost 30 years ago on my own.
Post a link to where Dr. Brown describes the observed behaviors in a double slit experiment as a moving particle and its associated aether wave.
Post a link to where Dr. Brown describes the relationship between mass and energy as matter is condensations of aether, matter evaporating into aether is energy, mass is conserved.
Post a link to where Dr. Brown describes the Universe we exist in as being in a larger version of a polar jet black hole, where it is not the Big Bang, it is the Big Ongoing.
We are all using words here to get across what we are trying to say. Some of us do not understand what the others are trying to express ....
MPC is right. His thread should not be hijacked the moment someone wants to argue over the fact that ice is not the same as water...
And Mikado brought out a wonderful point. Water can go to Ice and then back to water.
Wood however can not go to smoke and then back to wood.
Some things will happen in nature and some will not.
To Hobbit and to you too Littleenki. I know that you both see a slightly different world than some but Mikado and MPC are struggling to see a path of language that THEY can use to communicate. They really should not learn about your world right now. Its not that your world is less valid.... but it just serves to distract and confuse right now... so I ask you to read and watch and see where they will go with their conversation. They may end up on the same spot where you are standing and you will not have had to do anything.... they will find their way by themselves.... which maybe is the point of all of this?
I just urge... understand that there are different " lanuages at work here. Don't let them separate you. It happened once in prehistory. Lets not let it happen again. Linda
I figured out aether displacement almost 30 years ago on my own.
Really? Can you share with us how that came about?
Linda
First of all guys, this image is the front page of the definition of Entropy from Wiki....(http://thumbs.dreamstime.com/thumblarge_368/1235348435J8qw5n.jpg)
Along with this text....
Ice melting in a warm room is a common example of increasing entropy,[note 1] described in 1862 by Rudolf Clausius as an increase in the disgregation of the water molecules in ice.[1] I guess I should think you are more learned than the folks at wiki...well, I wont stick up for wiki often, but here I will.
And mpc, it seems you still havent learned the definition of a forum....with this quote...
QuoteHere we go. A poster who is unable to understand there is a difference between ice and liquid water...
Now, what am I supposed to do with such a poster? How many times do I have to repeat the obvious post that ice is different than liquid water?
You dont need to "do anything with me" Mpc, and my opinion is just as welcomed here as your's.
Yes, Mikado, I am having fun, no arrogance intended. I enjoy this sort of mental volleyball, and find it to be quite good at adding to my understanding of the universe, and its wonders, while sharing my viewpoints in a neutral manner.
I know you do as well, and beneath the hard exterior of any of us, is usually a soft warm soul, whose only goal is to further our learnings.
Of course we all see things a bit differently, and sure, I could reply to someone with a hamfisted pile of opinions and not so subtle innuendo, but thats just not me.
And as such, we can soldier on with wiki pages and links to articles written in the 18th century, I will approach the issue with a fresh outlook, as we see some past approaches others have taken have no fruit to bear, and havent for centuries.
Believe me, even with the burp some had upon your joining, I respect your wealth of knowledge, and am really, really enjoying this civil effort we have settled into, and in no way want to ever seem arrogant or brazen as to any post I make.
Of course, the boiler discussion was quite informative as you and Hobbit had me on google learning about them! Cool!
Fun?
Yes indeed, and someday we will see all this become a combination of many ideas theories and discoveries, and that will be cause for a celebration majeur!
Cheers, and have a great day!
Littleenki
Quote from: Linda Brown on July 01, 2012, 04:04:44 PM
I figured out aether displacement almost 30 years ago on my own.
Really? Can you share with us how that came about?
Linda
Yes, mpc, it sounds lke a story we should hear. Im all ears, amigo!
Le
Quote from: Linda Brown on July 01, 2012, 04:04:44 PM
I figured out aether displacement almost 30 years ago on my own.
Really? Can you share with us how that came about?
Linda
Through common sense I figure out gravity was caused by space being displaced by matter. I did know of Einstein's curved spacetime at the time and am not sure how that played into my understanding of the physical displacement of space by matter being the cause of gravity. I do know it was my intuition which caused me to understand gravity is caused by space being displaced by matter. I originally called my concept spacial displacement. the spelling of spacial was intentional to denote it was space which was displaced by matter.
I soon realized that referring to gravity as space being displaced by matter was inadequate. I realized I needed to distinguish between three dimensional space or that which physically occupies three dimensional space as being displaced by matter. Since I was referring to that which physically occupies three dimensional space as being displaced by matter I realized it was the aether which is physically displaced by matter. I changed the name of my concept to aether displacement.
I also realized in order for the aether to be physically displaced by matter it had to have mass.
I think it was around this time that someone on a forum asked me to explain what occurs physically in nature in a double slit experiment in terms of aether displacement. It was instantly obvious to me that the moving particle has an associated aether displacement wave, the particle travels a well defined path which takes it through one slit while the associated aether wave passes through both.
Some time after all this I learned about dark matter. I realized that the concept of non-baryonic dark matter traveling with matter was incorrect. For a time I renamed my concept to 'dark matter displacement' since I understand there is no such thing as non-baryonic dark matter traveling with matter and that what is really being discussed is matter moving through and displacing the aether. Changing the name of my concept to 'dark matter displacement' caused more confusion then anything else because people are unable to understand what is referred to as non-baryonic dark matter does not travel with matter, matter moves through and displaces the aether. So, I renamed my concept back to aether displacement.
I am not sure when I figured out the relationship between mass and energy or that dark energy is aether emitted into the Universal jet.
Quote from: Littleenki on July 01, 2012, 04:06:49 PMYou dont need to "do anything with me" Mpc, and my opinion is just as welcomed here as your's.
Not on this thread if you are unable to understand ice is different than water. Not on this thread if you are unable to understand, in a drink of water, ice exists in and displaces the water. Not on this thread if you are unable to understand one of the reasons why ice
is different than water is that in a drink of water the ice exists in and displaces the water.
There is a limit to how much the OP should have to deal with in support of their concept and I think that limit is surpassed if someone is unable to understand there is a difference between ice and water.
This is what its all about. And MPc..... what are you going to do with such a poster???? Appreciate him!!! And learn to get along with him/her without letting your path be swayed!.... Littleenki is right. ..... this is a forum..... if you wanted only your own opinion here you should write your own book! (Thats actually a sugestion because your writing is wonderful_
And Mikado is right..... you have come the closest yet to understanding what Dad was trying to say...
We are all working together here to learn. Lets not let anything pull us off the trail. Linda
Fascinating, Mpc, and clear, as well!
I do see a great deal of validity in your idea of what aether is and how it might be a separate yet similar version of matter.
By no means am I ever saying you are patently wrong, we just share slightly different views of the same thing.
Whose to say either of us are wrong, and could it be we are both right in some way?
Do you think the vibrations that make up many seeming solid substances in the universe could be creating an appearance of different things like aether and matter, and thats how it keeps us on our toes?
Are we bandying about what the universe wants us to, like those volleyball players?
Maybe so, and as a poster on this forum says so wisely..."Me do'em what universe want'em!" (thanks sarkoy!)
Cheers, and thanks for the concise explanation of how you arrived to your theories, it is very interesting indeed!
Le
Quote from: Linda Brown on July 01, 2012, 04:25:39 PM
This is what its all about. And MPc..... what are you going to do with such a poster???? Appreciate him!!! And learn to get along with him/her without letting your path be swayed!.... Littleenki is right. ..... this is a forum..... if you wanted only your own opinion here you should write your own book! (Thats actually a sugestion because your writing is wonderful_
And Mikado is right..... you have come the closest yet to understanding what Dad was trying to say...
We are all working together here to learn. Lets not let anything pull us off the trail. Linda
I can not appreciate anyone who insists ice is the same as liquid water. I can not appreciate anyone taking up bandwidth on a thread I started when they are unable to understand ice exists in and displaces liquid water. I can not appreciate anyone who is unable to understand one of the reasons why ice and liquid water
are different is because ice displaces liquid water.
Quote from: Littleenki on July 01, 2012, 04:28:44 PM
Fascinating, Mpc, and clear, as well!
I do see a great deal of validity in your idea of what aether is and how it might be a separate yet similar version of matter.
By no means am I ever saying you are patently wrong, we just share slightly different views of the same thing.
Whose to say either of us are wrong, and could it be we are both right in some way?
Do you think the vibrations that make up many seeming solid substances in the universe could be creating an appearance of different things like aether and matter, and thats how it keeps us on our toes?
Are we bandying about what the universe wants us to, like those volleyball players?
Maybe so, and as a poster on this forum says so wisely..."Me do'em what universe want'em!" (thanks sarkoy!)
Cheers, and thanks for the concise explanation of how you arrived to your theories, it is very interesting indeed!
Le
You stated I was agreeing with a poster who stated aether displacement is an illusion.
I have no idea how you can think we are discussing the same thing.
If you are willing to take two steps back and re-read my original post and think about it for a while then maybe we can have a conversation. And you also need to realize there is a difference between ice and liquid water.
Quote from: mpc755 on July 01, 2012, 04:22:08 PM
Not on this thread if you are unable to understand ice is different than water.
( Littleenki..... you DO understand that ice is different than water, don't you?)Not on this thread if you are unable to understand, in a drink of water, ice exists in and displaces the water.
Littleenki.... You DO understand that ice displaces water, don't you? Not on this thread if you are unable to understand one of the reasons why ice is different than water is that in a drink of water the ice exists in and displaces the water.
[color=green]I don't have to ask him again....and you don't have to tell him that he doesn't belong here because he does.... just as much as you do.[/color]
There is a limit to how much the OP should have to deal with in support of their concept ( EXCUSE ME.... there is a limit to trying to help people understand what you are saying? REALLY?) and I think that limit is surpassed if someone is unable to understand there is a difference between ice and water.
You said it.... the time limit is surpassed......
This is silly. Move along move along move along
Quote from: Littleenki on July 01, 2012, 04:06:49 PM
First of all guys, this image is the front page of the definition of Entropy from Wiki....(http://thumbs.dreamstime.com/thumblarge_368/1235348435J8qw5n.jpg)
Along with this text....
Ice melting in a warm room is a common example of increasing entropy,[note 1] described in 1862 by Rudolf Clausius as an increase in the disgregation of the water molecules in ice.[1] I guess I should think you are more learned than the folks at wiki...well, I wont stick up for wiki often, but here I will.
And mpc, it seems you still havent learned the definition of a forum....with this quote...
You dont need to "do anything with me" Mpc, and my opinion is just as welcomed here as your's.
Yes, Mikado, I am having fun, no arrogance intended. I enjoy this sort of mental volleyball, and find it to be quite good at adding to my understanding of the universe, and its wonders, while sharing my viewpoints in a neutral manner.
I know you do as well, and beneath the hard exterior of any of us, is usually a soft warm soul, whose only goal is to further our learnings.
Of course we all see things a bit differently, and sure, I could reply to someone with a hamfisted pile of opinions and not so subtle innuendo, but thats just not me.
And as such, we can soldier on with wiki pages and links to articles written in the 18th century, I will approach the issue with a fresh outlook, as we see some past approaches others have taken have no fruit to bear, and havent for centuries.
Believe me, even with the burp some had upon your joining, I respect your wealth of knowledge, and am really, really enjoying this civil effort we have settled into, and in no way want to ever seem arrogant or brazen as to any post I make.
Of course, the boiler discussion was quite informative as you and Hobbit had me on google learning about them! Cool!
Fun?
Yes indeed, and someday we will see all this become a combination of many ideas theories and discoveries, and that will be cause for a celebration majeur!
Cheers, and have a great day!
Littleenki
And did you always take wiki as hard proof?
Entropy as defined from a macroscopic viewpoint (thermodynamic) would be the example of ice, however, there is another view from an engineering principle that is taught in Engineering.
What mpc755 used with the water and ice is nothing more than a metaphor and you et al are taking it to a level where he wasn't even going.
Entropy in engineering views things a bit different than thermodynamics. If you had any engineering you would know this. For example, an internal combustion engine is entropic. An electric motor is non-entropic. You can't put exhaust gases back up the exhaust and get gas only in your tank, the engine is entropic. A motor can be reversed, you can put a current into the motor and get rotational movement or you can turn the armature and get electric out of it. Two very simple examples.
You are not just having fun you are doing something else.
Quote from: quoteBelieve me, even with the burp some had upon your joining, I respect your wealth of knowledge, and am really, really enjoying this civil effort we have settled into, and in no way want to ever seem arrogant or brazen as to any post I make.
Really? The burp?
As to not wanting to seem arrogant and brazen, you already have. I know I am direct and don't mollycoddle my words but it is not arrogance as much getting the fly poop out of the pepper.
AS to using Google on the boiler's, I didn't use it, you are projecting exactly how you operate and I thank you for that so now I know what I am up against <g>
I can further guarantee you that I will never celebrate with you but then if you really want to know why, send a PM.
Mikado
Quote from: Linda Brown on July 01, 2012, 04:34:34 PMEXCUSE ME.... there is a limit to trying to help people understand what you are saying? REALLY?
Yes. And that limit is when it is obvious the poster is
not trying to understand what the thread is about and is more interested in making statements having nothing to do with the thread and being so obstinate that they refuse to understand ice displaces liquid water
because they are different.
Quote from: mpc755 on July 01, 2012, 04:33:57 PM
You stated I was agreeing with a poster who stated aether displacement is an illusion.
I have no idea how you can think we are discussing the same thing.
If you are willing to take two steps back and re-read my original post and think about it for a while then maybe we can have a conversation. And you also need to realize there is a difference between ice and liquid water.
I see your frustration. Try to understand and put it in perspective. Anyone who is promoting the use of dowsing rods to explain the aether really seems to be attempting to drag their theories into a theory to help explain what it is they believe.
Frustrating.
Just do what the Wizard said to Dorothy...Ignore the man behind the curtain.
Mikado
What mpc755 used with the water and ice is nothing more than a metaphor and you et al are taking it to a level where he wasn't even going.
How do all of us know where HE was going with his metaphor Mikado. You and he have a far better understanding with this than I think we ever will...
I am not one who understands science and the words that you are both using here I would have to learn carefully myself. I do understand that water can turn to ice and back again.
I understand that wood can turn to heat, light, smoke and ash..... and once that happens it can never be wood again..... there always seems a direction to things.
What some of us non scientific types are simply trying to say is that SOMETIMES things go in all directions at once. Aether is like that..... At the same time it is going forward it is going backward.... up down sideways....
Explain that.
I do understand that sometimes you can go in two directions at once. What is that called?
Linda
Odd that you would choose to say this Mikado
:Just do what the Wizard said to Dorothy...Ignore the man behind the curtain.
Linda
Quote from: Mikado on July 01, 2012, 04:42:22 PM
I see your frustration. Try to understand and put it in perspective. Anyone who is promoting the use of dowsing rods to explain the aether really seems to be attempting to drag their theories into a theory to help explain what it is they believe.
Frustrating.
Just do what the Wizard said to Dorothy...Ignore the man behind the curtain.
Mikado
Championing a concept is like running a political campaign. If you don't take on all challengers you appear weak. In a political campaign you can not say, "I don't have to respond to that". Yes, you do and so don't I on this thread.
Thanks.
Quote from: mpc755 on July 01, 2012, 04:01:36 PM
I figured out aether displacement almost 30 years ago on my own.
Post a link to where Dr. Brown describes the observed behaviors in a double slit experiment as a moving particle and its associated aether wave.
Post a link to where Dr. Brown describes the relationship between mass and energy as matter is condensations of aether, matter evaporating into aether is energy, mass is conserved.
Post a link to where Dr. Brown describes the Universe we exist in as being in a larger version of a polar jet black hole, where it is not the Big Bang, it is the Big Ongoing.
I've been trying to stay out of this but had to ask this question:
You say, "...the observed behaviors in a double slit experiment as a moving particle and its associated aether wave." So... How do You explain the fact that when the particle is observed as to which slit it has gone through the aether wave fails to manifest? (i.e., the interference pattern is no longer seen, but instead the "expected" two spots.)
Quote from: Linda Brown on July 01, 2012, 04:48:26 PM
What mpc755 used with the water and ice is nothing more than a metaphor and you et al are taking it to a level where he wasn't even going.
How do all of us know where HE was going with his metaphor Mikado. You and he have a far better understanding with this than I think we ever will...
I am not one who understands science and the words that you are both using here I would have to learn carefully myself. I do understand that water can turn to ice and back again.
I understand that wood can turn to heat, light, smoke and ash..... and once that happens it can never be wood again..... there always seems a direction to things.
What some of us non scientific types are simply trying to say is that SOMETIMES things go in all directions at once. Aether is like that..... At the same time it is going forward it is going backward.... up down sideways....
Explain that.
I do understand that sometimes you can go in two directions at once. What is that called?
Linda
The aether is, or behaves similar to, a superfluid with properties of a solid. The aether is not going forward and backward at the same time.
Aether is displaced by matter.
Quote from: Linda Brown on July 01, 2012, 04:48:26 PM
What mpc755 used with the water and ice is nothing more than a metaphor and you et al are taking it to a level where he wasn't even going.
How do all of us know where HE was going with his metaphor Mikado. You and he have a far better understanding with this than I think we ever will...
I am not one who understands science and the words that you are both using here I would have to learn carefully myself. I do understand that water can turn to ice and back again.
I understand that wood can turn to heat, light, smoke and ash..... and once that happens it can never be wood again..... there always seems a direction to things.
What some of us non scientific types are simply trying to say is that SOMETIMES things go in all directions at once. Aether is like that..... At the same time it is going forward it is going backward.... up down sideways....
Explain that.
I do understand that sometimes you can go in two directions at once. What is that called?
Linda
Linda, his metaphor fits exactly with your Father's work and the fact that he did this 30 years ago fits with others as you know. For some reason, it appears that it is always 30 years. Almost as if there was this "event" that happened and those that had their "ears" on heard it.
Anyway, I digress.
Two directions at once? Sure, it is how an EM wave propagates and it is called TEM wave.
Mikado
Quote from: Amaterasu on July 01, 2012, 04:52:55 PM
I've been trying to stay out of this but had to ask this question:
You say, "...the observed behaviors in a double slit experiment as a moving particle and its associated aether wave." So... How do You explain the fact that when the particle is observed as to which slit it has gone through the aether wave fails to manifest? (i.e., the interference pattern is no longer seen, but instead the "expected" two spots.)
'Interpretation of quantum mechanics by the double solution theory - Louis de BROGLIE'
http://aflb.ensmp.fr/AFLB-classiques/aflb124p001.pdf
"When in 1923-1924 I had my first ideas about Wave Mechanics I was looking for a truly concrete physical image, valid for all particles, of the wave and particle coexistence discovered by Albert Einstein in his "Theory of light quanta". I had no doubt whatsoever about the physical reality of waves and particles."
"any particle, even isolated, has to be imagined as in continuous "energetic contact" with a hidden medium"
The hidden medium of de Broglie wave mechanics is the aether. The "energetic contact" is the state of displacement of the aether.
A moving particle has an associated aether displacement wave.
In a double slit experiment the particle travels a well defined path which takes it through one slit. The associated aether wave passes through both. As the aether wave exits the slits it creates wave interference. As the particle exits a single slit the direction it travels is altered by the wave interference. This is the wave piloting the particle of pilot-wave theory. Detecting the particle strongly exiting a single slit turns the associated aether wave into chop. The aether waves exiting the slits interact with the detectors and become many short waves with irregular motion. The waves are disorganized. There is no wave interference. The particle pitches and rolls through the chop. The particle gets knocked around by the chop and it no longer creates an interference pattern.
The analogy is a boat double slit experiment. If the bow wave is strong enough exiting the slits it will create wave interference. As the boat exits a single slit the direction it travels will be altered by the wave interference. If you place buoys at the exits to the slits in order to detect the boat the bow wave exiting both slits will be turned to chop. The boat will get knocked around by the chop and the boat will be 'detected' in the 'expected' two spots.
Ow, Mikado you hurt my last feeling! LOL!
Besides,I could care less as to celebrating with someone who is a closet antagonist.
Just being civil, but innuendo?
Pm you?
Your not worth the time buddy.
If you want to pm me, you can, I have nothing to hide.
Le
Man, I doubeldogdare any other Forum to match these conversations!!!!! This is GREAT!!!!!
Sticking my head back in this.... a mild objection...
Mikado.... You said....
"Anyone who is promoting the use of dowsing rods to explain the aether really seems to be attempting to drag their theories into a theory to help explain what it is they believe.
I object to your saying what Hobbit is " seeming to do" You have know real knowledge of what he is doing.... just as he has no real knowledge of what your agenda is....... so lets forget trying to explain what others " seem to be doing..... OK???
And you can never say that this Forum doesn't have its own brand of humor. LOL. Linda
Quote from: Linda Brown on July 01, 2012, 05:14:10 PM
And you can never say that this Forum doesn't have its own brand of humor. LOL. Linda
Indeed, Im laughing now! And I think the aether is flowing from my eye sockets.
Hope it doesnt freeze! :o
PRC is the best!
Le
mpc755 said:
QuoteChampioning a concept is like running a political campaign. If you don't take on all challengers you appear weak. In a political campaign you can not say, "I don't have to respond to that". Yes, you do and so don't I on this thread.
Thanks.
We are not a "Political Convention" per 'se. We are a group of individuals with different perceptions and ideals for the food of thought.
I personally believe that this is a self absorbed idea of what the aether truly is, it has thus far only promoted self analogies and contributed too nothing short of nothing, other than "Ice is water that is in a frigid state by freezing and then can be melted again to become liquid water." type of discussion.
The "Mass" of the "Aether" you have so graciously postulated on is described as a free flowing EM/EG/EHD/Magnetic/frequency with no real explanation's. It is all hersay for the rhetoric of the conversation of the topic.
As far as TTB's contribution for your thoughts and perception's "Good for you!" he is an admirable man, but lets not go by the way side of ridicule and cut downs because something is not being understood.
LE is very smart, and I give he credit for his insights, he is a scientist by nature, and with all the back and forth, the really bad example of using Ice as a medium only adds to the confusion, there we are talking "Apples and Oranges" as Mikado has referred too it already.
"Give us something more 'Intellectual' mcp, something that wow's as to the point it can't be argued with. Right now, you have stood on the shoulder's of men and scientists, bare your chest and let her rip,I want to know exactly where you are going with this topic.
So far , only speculation and some very annoying innuendo's, but nothing iron clad too say the least.
1Worldwatcher
Global Moderator
Mikado,
You had this to say which I believe deserves its own thread. What should we call it.... because it is bound to develop into something interesting. Odd that Mikado would be the one to point it out.
"Linda, his metaphor fits exactly with your Father's work and the fact that he did this 30 years ago fits with others as you know. For some reason, it appears that it is always 30 years. Almost as if there was this "event" that happened and those that had their "ears" on heard it.
So lets talk about the " event 30 years ago"
Which would have made the wider span of investigation .... the late sixties into the early seventies????
MPC.... since you first mentioned it.... what kind of " event" did it seem to you?
Anyone else?
Linda
Quote from: mpc755 on July 01, 2012, 04:29:47 PM
ice displaces liquid water.
I have not read the whole thread. Are we all in agreement that the ether is fluid like, is responsible for many field effects due to the manner it interacts with "matter/energy" and energy/matter displaces the ether like a solid does a fluid?
If so I'm with you... :D
Quote from: 1Worldwatcher on July 01, 2012, 05:20:54 PM
mpc755 said:
We are not a "Political Convention" per 'se. We are a group of individuals with different perceptions and ideals for the food of thought.
I personally believe that this is a self absorbed idea of what the aether truly is, it has thus far only promoted self analogies and contributed too nothing short of nothing, other than "Ice is water that is in a frigid state by freezing and then can be melted again to become liquid water." type of discussion.
The "Mass" of the "Aether" you have so graciously postulated on is described as a free flowing EM/EG/EHD/Magnetic/frequency with no real explanation's. It is all hersay for the rhetoric of the conversation of the topic.
As far as TTB's contribution for your thoughts and perception's "Good for you!" he is an admirable man, but lets not go by the way side of ridicule and cut downs because something is not being understood.
LE is very smart, and I give he credit for his insights, he is a scientist by nature, and with all the back and forth, the really bad example of using Ice as a medium only adds to the confusion, there we are talking "Apples and Oranges" as Mikado has referred too it already.
"Give us something more 'Intellectual' mcp, something that wow's as to the point it can't be argued with. Right now, you have stood on the shoulder's of men and scientists, bare your chest and let her rip,I want to know exactly where you are going with this topic.
So far , only speculation and some very annoying innuendo's, but nothing iron clad too say the least.
1Worldwatcher
Global Moderator
Maxwell's displacement current is a physical displacement of the aether.
Einstein, de Broglie, Newton and Maxwell all describe the state of the aether as determined by its connections with the matter and the state of the aether in neighboring places as the state of displacement of the aether.
I can't help it if you are too self absorbed to understand this.
Quote from: Pimander on July 01, 2012, 06:04:14 PM
I have not read the whole thread. Are we all in agreement that the ether is fluid like, is responsible for many field effects due to the manner it interacts with "matter/energy" and energy/matter displaces the ether like a solid does a fluid?
If so I'm with you... :D
The aether is, or behaves similar to, a superfluid with properties of a solid.
I like the following description of what the aether is as long as you realize particles of matter are able to move through and displace the 'window glass'.
"Subsequent studies with large particle accelerators have now led us to understand that space is more like a piece of window glass than ideal Newtonian emptiness. It is filled with 'stuff' that is normally transparent but can be made visible by hitting it sufficiently hard to knock out a part. The modern concept of the vacuum of space, confirmed every day by experiment, is a relativistic ether. But we do not call it this because it is taboo." - Robert B. Laughlin, Nobel Laureate in Physics, endowed chair in physics, Stanford University
I think it is premature to discuss a fluid like flow with respect to the state of the aether.
Einstein defined motion as applied to the aether as the aether does not consist of individual particles which can be separately tracked through time. If the aether does not consist of individual particles which can be separately tracked through time then how can we know if the aether physically flows?
At the same time I am stating the Universe we exist in is a larger version of a black hole polar jet. Dark energy is aether emitted into the Universal jet.
Well then, how does aether get emitted into the Universal jet at the same time it doesn't flow? Again, the best I can do at this time is to say the aether emitted into the Universal jet displaces the existing aether in the Universal jet. Where the displacement increases the pressure great enough aether condenses into particles of matter. This is where '1st Stars' are labelled in the following image which is analogous to the Universal jet we exist in.
http://aether.lbl.gov/image_all.html
When I first looked at animations of Jupiter's moon where the outer moons orbit opposite of the inner moons it looked analogous to me of a hurricane where the outer most arms of a hurricane 'fall off' and go int the opposite direction of the rest of the bands of the hurricane.
However, after some time I just don't think we should discuss aether as a fluid which flows.
It is correct to discuss the state of aether as the state of displacement of the aether.
I think that is where the focus should be, at least for now, because it is supported by ALL of the experimental evidence.
Quote from: Linda Brown on July 01, 2012, 05:26:20 PM
Mikado,
You had this to say which I believe deserves its own thread. What should we call it.... because it is bound to develop into something interesting. Odd that Mikado would be the one to point it out.
"Linda, his metaphor fits exactly with your Father's work and the fact that he did this 30 years ago fits with others as you know. For some reason, it appears that it is always 30 years. Almost as if there was this "event" that happened and those that had their "ears" on heard it.
So lets talk about the " event 30 years ago"
Which would have made the wider span of investigation .... the late sixties into the early seventies????
MPC.... since you first mentioned it.... what kind of " event" did it seem to you?
Anyone else?
Linda
I figured out aether displacement through intuition.
Quote from: mpc755 on July 01, 2012, 06:34:45 PM
The aether is, or behaves similar to, a superfluid with properties of a solid.
I think it is premature to discuss a fluid like flow with respect to the state of the aether.
Einstein defined motion as applied to the aether as the aether does not consist of individual particles which can be separately tracked through time. If the aether does not consist of individual particles which can be separately tracked through time then how can we know if the aether physically flows?
At the same time I am stating the Universe we exist in is a larger version of a black hole polar jet. Dark energy is aether emitted into the Universal jet.
Well then, how does aether get emitted into the Universal jet at the same time it doesn't flow? Again, the best I can do at this time is to say the aether emitted into the Universal jet displaces the existing aether in the Universal jet. Where the displacement increases the pressure great enough aether condenses into particles of matter. This is where '1st Stars' are labelled in the following image which is analogous to the Universal jet we exist in.
http://aether.lbl.gov/image_all.html
When I first looked at animations of Jupiter's moon where the outer moons orbit opposite of the inner moons it looked analogous to me of a hurricane where the outer most arms of a hurricane 'fall off' and go int the opposite direction of the rest of the bands of the hurricane.
However, after some time I just don't think we should discuss aether as a fluid which flows.
It is correct to discuss the state of aether as the state of displacement of the aether.
I think that is where the focus should be, at least for now, because it is supported by ALL of the experimental evidence.
Superfluid eh? That's very interesting.
I need to look at this properly. What is a black hole polar jet? What is current thought on it. I think if there is a singularity present, there might not be one at black holes....
Quote from: mpc755 on July 01, 2012, 06:37:10 PM
I figured out aether displacement through intuition.
Ah so?
Not through science then? Pity
Thank You for Your explanation. Another question...
What do You see as explaining the Biefeld-Brown Effect? Or do You deny it exists?
For the record, I still think the ether behaves like a fluid (in relation to matter) and the solution to any of novel propulsion, warp drive or "antigravity/overgravity" will probably lie in assuming it is.....
However, I am open to change my mind if I see a reason why this isn't the case. The ether behaves like a fluid from an engineering perspective so why not treat it as one?
Quote from: Pimander on July 01, 2012, 06:41:33 PM
Superfluid eh? That's very interesting.
I need to look at this properly.
'Superfluid Is Shown To Have Property Of A Solid'
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/1999/07/990730072958.htm
"Northwestern University physicists have for the first time shown that superfluid helium-3 -- the lighter isotope of helium, which is a liquid that has lost all internal friction, allowing it to flow without resistance and ooze through tiny spaces that normal liquids cannot penetrate -- actually behaves like a solid in its ability to conduct sound waves."
The window glass in the following is analogous to a superfluid with properties of a solid; a supersolid.
"Subsequent studies with large particle accelerators have now led us to understand that space is more like a piece of window glass than ideal Newtonian emptiness. It is filled with 'stuff' that is normally transparent but can be made visible by hitting it sufficiently hard to knock out a part. The modern concept of the vacuum of space, confirmed every day by experiment, is a relativistic ether. But we do not call it this because it is taboo." - Robert B. Laughlin, Nobel Laureate in Physics, endowed chair in physics, Stanford University
QuoteWhat is a black hole polar jet? What is current thought on it. I think if there is a singularity present, there might not be one at black holes....
http://www.space.com/261-twisted-physics-black-holes-spout.html
Quote from: zorgon on July 01, 2012, 06:44:54 PM
Ah so?
Not through science then? Pity
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Max_Planc
"New scientific ideas never spring from a communal body, however organized, but rather from the head of an individually inspired researcher who struggles with his problems in lonely thought and unites all his thought on one single point which is his whole world for the moment."
Quote from: Amaterasu on July 01, 2012, 06:53:49 PM
Thank You for Your explanation. Another question...
What do You see as explaining the Biefeld-Brown Effect? Or do You deny it exists?
Never heard of it before but it appears to be an ion thruster, correct?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ion_thruster
If so then this is different than the aether. Ions are still particles of matter which exist in and displace the aether.
Quote from: Pimander on July 01, 2012, 07:03:32 PM
For the record, I still think the ether behaves like a fluid (in relation to matter) and the solution to any of novel propulsion, warp drive or "antigravity/overgravity" will probably lie in assuming it is.....
However, I am open to change my mind if I see a reason why this isn't the case. The ether behaves like a fluid from an engineering perspective so why not treat it as one?
The aether is, or behaves similar to, a superfluid with properties of a solid; a supersolid. It should be treated as one.
Stop the BS Forum Games.
Untill anyone here posting on this thread can do this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UvtQXliHxdc
YOU are not qualified for forum Knowhow or Bullying on this topic. You are no more than anyone else here (including myself) that is trying to find answers to the facinating topics that some of us like to explore and find an answer to whilst conducting one self in a civil manner.
If you want argue like "the be all and end all the universe" then refer to the above video and realise YOU cannot do that, and if you can do something amazing or understand then please give instructions on how to do so. I suspect most people are here for knowledge in topics that they may not understand but at the same time looking for an answer. To have biggoted commentry and self proclaimed experts running around claiming this and that bores the utter tears out of them
Grow up
Quote from: Somamech on July 01, 2012, 07:43:51 PM
Stop the BS Forum Games.
Untill anyone here posting on this thread can do this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UvtQXliHxdc
YOU are not qualified for forum Knowhow or Bullying on this topic. You are no more than anyone else here (including myself) that is trying to find answers to the facinating topics that some of us like to explore and find an answer to whilst conducting one self in a civil manner.
If you want argue like "the be all and end all the universe" then refer to the above video and realise YOU cannot do that, and if you can do something amazing or understand then please give instructions on how to do so. I suspect most people are here for knowledge in topics that they may not understand but at the same time looking for an answer. To have biggoted commentry and self proclaimed experts running around claiming this and that bores the utter tears out of them
Grow up
Not sure who you are referring to but I assume it is me. I am not trying to bully, act uncivilized, or be a biggot. And you might want to be more honest with yourself. When you state it bores the utter tears out of them you are really stating it bores the tears out of you.
You should grow up, stop reading this thread, or both.
Quote from: mpc755 on July 01, 2012, 07:58:01 PM
Not sure who you are referring to but I assume it is me. I am not trying to bully, act uncivilized, or be a biggot. And you might want to be more honest with yourself. When you state it bores the utter tears out of them you are really stating it bores the tears out of you.
You should grow up, stop reading this thread, or both.
Put up or shut up
Quote from: Somamech on July 01, 2012, 08:05:41 PM
Put up or shut up
I did in my very first post. You add no value.
Quote from: mpc755 on July 01, 2012, 08:10:07 PM
I did in my very first post. You add no value.
Working model please
You are talking of the arts the masters know AND use. SO YOU should be able to provide a working model on how to achive you theory for us to replicate
Quote from: mpc755 on July 01, 2012, 08:10:07 PM
I did in my very first post. You add no value.
So you dont find people who can actually do what you claim as valid ?
They are the people who know what it feels like, along with well honed theorys accompanied with written books that anyone can learn.
You are on a hard sell there on your mission :o :P
Quote from: Somamech on July 01, 2012, 08:12:18 PM
Working model please
You are talking of the arts the masters know AND use. SO YOU should be able to provide a working model on how to achive you theory for us to replicate
What I have figured out is the cause which conditions the state of the aether of relativity.
"The state of the [ether] is at every place determined by connections with the matter and the state of the ether in neighbouring places, ... disregarding the causes which condition its state." - Albert Einstein
The state of the aether at every place determined by connections with the matter and the state of the aether in neighboring places is the state of displacement of the aether.
I have figured out what de Broglie referred to as the "energetic contact" with a hidden medium.
"any particle, even isolated, has to be imagined as in continuous "energetic contact" with a hidden medium" - Louis de Broglie
The hidden medium of de Broglie wave mechanics is the aether. The "energetic contact" is the state of displacement of the aether.
I figured out what Robert B. Laughlin, Nobel Laureate in Physics, endowed chair in physics, Stanford University considers to be not yet understood.
"gravity and the relativistic matter pervading the universe are fundamentally related in some mysterious way that is not yet understood"
Aether has mass and physically occupies three dimensional space. Aether is physically displaced by matter. Displaced aether pushes back and exerts inward pressure toward matter.
Now, you will respond with a "no it doesn't" or "there is no evidence of" or "provide evidence of the aether" or some other type of nonsense simply because you are unable to understand aether is displaced by matter.
Quote from: Somamech on July 01, 2012, 08:27:53 PM
So you dont find people who can actually do what you claim as valid ?
They are the people who know what it feels like, along with well honed theorys accompanied with written books that anyone can learn.
You are on a hard sell there on your mission :o :P
"The modern concept of the vacuum of space, confirmed every day by experiment, is a relativistic ether. But we do not call it this because it is taboo." - Robert B. Laughlin, Nobel Laureate in Physics, endowed chair in physics, Stanford University
I posted a Master of what you claim
Nothing more and you said that I will reply in another manner 8)
QuoteNow, you will respond with a "no it doesn't" or "there is no evidence of" or "provide evidence of the aether" or some other type of nonsense simply because you are unable to understand aether is displaced by matter.
I posted a video of a Master that does KNOW what he is doing.
I can keep this going on for ever if you like ;D
I know more people with better tales, and lessons available to anyone to anyone to learn :P
So where do we go from here seeing you accused me of saying this is not real ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UvtQXliHxdc
:P
Your theory is just that a theory till you can walk the talk
Quote from: Somamech on July 01, 2012, 08:38:43 PM
I can keep this going on for ever if you like ;D
The modern concept of the vacuum of space, confirmed every day by experiment, is a relativistic ether. But we do not call it this because it is taboo." - Robert B. Laughlin, Nobel Laureate in Physics, endowed chair in physics, Stanford University
The wave which propagates a photon is a relativistic ether wave. In a double slit experiment the relativistic ether wave passes through both slits while the 'particle' travels through a single slit.
you clearly have no idea what you are talking about
Quote from: Somamech on July 01, 2012, 08:47:27 PM
you clearly have no idea what you are talking about
What ripples when galaxy clusters collide is what waves in a double slit experiment; the aether.
The ripple is a gravitational wave.
Einstein's gravitational wave is de Broglie's pilot-wave.
They are both aether displacement waves.
Quote from: mpc755 on July 01, 2012, 08:49:07 PM
What ripples when galaxy clusters collide is what waves in a double slit experiment; the aether.
The ripple is a gravitational wave.
Einstein's gravitational wave is de Broglie's pilot-wave.
They are both aether displacement waves.
Working model please
You would have to have tested this if you are so sure... or is this a theory ?
Quote from: Somamech on July 01, 2012, 08:58:20 PM
Working model please
You would have to have tested this if you are so sure... or is this a theory ?
I figured out what relates relativity with quantum mechanics.
Einstein's gravitational wave is de Broglie's pilot-wave.
Both are aether displacement waves.
Quote from: mpc755 on July 01, 2012, 09:02:09 PM
I figured out what relates relativity with quantum mechanics.
Einstein's gravitational wave is de Broglie's pilot-wave.
Both are aether displacement waves.
So you have a working model ? or a theory ?
Quote from: mpc755 on July 01, 2012, 04:53:30 PM
The aether is, or behaves similar to, a superfluid with properties of a solid. The aether is not going forward and backward at the same time.
Aether is displaced by matter.
You missed IMHO.
Unless You have some evidence to back up Your as fact statement??
IMHO( in my hoibbit opinion)
The aether is not merely a single subject, it is far more complex., and it most certainly travels in counter spin flows in precise opposite direction in layers, and the clouds of water in different conditions of state of water reveal this.
Matter doesn't exist except as a local memory , and no matter how arranged that matter is, it is always within a memory field of torus form that implodes into and out of a heart centre that maintains the memory .
The memory is fed down in scaler fashion , and in this planets condition that results in a constant growth of mass.
The net inrush is what we term gravity.
Mass is created in a fixed lattice matrix of universe, that a resonant based fluid like substance travels about in the mirror like faces of the scalar geometric substance that forms the fixed near solid universe.
If mpc would simply ponder where mass origonates, then He/She??
would instead of trying to bully this theory he has , and deem anyone who offers alternate theory as someone to be kicked out of a thread.
May instead contemplate a creation and annihilation continuum , where mass is a consequence that remains in it's state as long as the memory field that here has a net implosion ratio remains reasonably steady.
I can follow the flowing part of what is called the aether, and can also detect and plot and follow each and every memory field about that which I atune to.
I can then determine how each memory firld sym biotically interacts with the larger memory fields it exists within.
I have wandered about multiple megalithic sites made of huge blocks of mass in varios forms, and have gleaned any understanding of the consequences of their placenents etc, no matter how much scorn is thrown my way....I ramble onwards.
hobbit
Quote from: mpc755 on July 01, 2012, 07:32:24 PM
Never heard of it before but it appears to be an ion thruster, correct?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ion_thruster
If so then this is different than the aether. Ions are still particles of matter which exist in and displace the aether.
No. The effect is much stronger than ion wind - though many try to hide it under that label. It's like 3 orders of magnitude stronger...and is predicted in LaViolette's SQK. It is the foundational effect in electrogravitics:
PDF's Electrogravitics:
http://www.dtic.mil/cgi-bin/GetTRDoc?AD=ADA227121
http://arxiv.org/ftp/physics/papers/0211/0211001.pdf
http://www.ssrsi.org/Onsite/PDFbin/Biefeld-Brown%20Effect.pdf
http://www.rqm.ch/Central%20Oscillator%20and%20SpaceQuantaMedium.pdf
http://jnaudin.free.fr/lifters/files/ElectrograviticsElectrokineticsValone.pdf
http://www.integrityresearchinstitute.org/Loder.PDF
http://users.teilar.gr/~a.a.nass/files/C6.pdf
http://www.checktheevidence.com/pdf/The%20Case%20for%20AntiGravity-booklet.pdf
http://www.ostfalia.de/export/sites/default/de/pws/turtur/NeuesVerzeichnis/Film_englisch.pdf
Also: http://www.padrak.com/ine/INE24.html
Quote from: Somamech on July 01, 2012, 09:05:03 PM
So you have a working model ? or a theory ?
I'm explaining what occurs physically in nature.
Quote from: mpc755 on July 01, 2012, 09:16:05 PM
I'm explaining what occurs physically in nature.
Yeah so you have replicated that what you see in nature or just have a theory?
Quote from: hobbit on July 01, 2012, 09:13:52 PM
You missed IMHO.
Unless You have some evidence to back up Your as fact statement??
IMHO( in my hoibbit opinion)
The aether is not merely a single subject, it is far more complex., and it most certainly travels in counter spin flows in precise opposite direction in layers, and the clouds of water in different conditions of state of water reveal this.
Matter doesn't exist except as a local memory , and no matter how arranged that matter is, it is always within a memory field of torus form that implodes into and out of a heart centre that maintains the memory .
The memory is fed down in scaler fashion , and in this planets condition that results in a constant growth of mass.
The net inrush is what we term gravity.
Mass is created in a fixed lattice matrix of universe, that a resonant based fluid like substance travels about in the mirror like faces of the scalar geometric substance that forms the fixed near solid universe.
If mpc would simply ponder where mass origonates, then He/She??
would instead of trying to bully this theory he has , and deem anyone who offers alternate theory as someone to be kicked out of a thread.
May instead contemplate a creation and annihilation continuum , where mass is a consequence that remains in it's state as long as the memory field that here has a net implosion ratio remains reasonably steady.
I can follow the flowing part of what is called the aether, and can also detect and plot and follow each and every memory field about that which I atune to.
I can then determine how each memory firld sym biotically interacts with the larger memory fields it exists within.
I have wandered about multiple megalithic sites made of huge blocks of mass in varios forms, and have gleaned any understanding of the consequences of their placenents etc, no matter how much scorn is thrown my way....I ramble onwards.
hobbit
Einstein defined motion as applied to the aether as the aether does not consist of individual particles which can be separately tracked through time.
I interpret this to mean, at the galactic level, it can not be known if aether flows or not.
There is directionality to galaxy clusters moving through the Universe which can not be explained by the Big Bang. This could possibly be interpreted as a flow through the Universe of the aether.
However, at this time, I think it is more important to work with what there is evidence of and that is aether is displaced by matter.
Quote from: mpc755 on July 01, 2012, 09:23:04 PM
Einstein defined motion as applied to the aether as the aether does not consist of individual particles which can be separately tracked through time.
I interpret this to mean, at the galactic level, it can not be known if aether flows or not.
There is directionality to galaxy clusters moving through the Universe which can not be explained by the Big Bang. This could possibly be interpreted as a flow through the Universe of the aether.
However, at this time, I think it is more important to work with what there is evidence of and that is aether is displaced by matter.
Thanks for that ;)
You have just proven in your weasel way that you have no working model
8)
Heres a rodin coil for you :-X
Its invisible
Quote from: Amaterasu on July 01, 2012, 09:14:32 PM
No. The effect is much stronger than ion wind - though many try to hide it under that label. It's like 3 orders of magnitude stronger...and is predicted in LaViolette's SQK. It is the foundational effect in electrogravitics:
PDF's Electrogravitics:
http://www.dtic.mil/cgi-bin/GetTRDoc?AD=ADA227121
http://arxiv.org/ftp/physics/papers/0211/0211001.pdf
http://www.ssrsi.org/Onsite/PDFbin/Biefeld-Brown%20Effect.pdf
http://www.rqm.ch/Central%20Oscillator%20and%20SpaceQuantaMedium.pdf
http://jnaudin.free.fr/lifters/files/ElectrograviticsElectrokineticsValone.pdf
http://www.integrityresearchinstitute.org/Loder.PDF
http://users.teilar.gr/~a.a.nass/files/C6.pdf
http://www.checktheevidence.com/pdf/The%20Case%20for%20AntiGravity-booklet.pdf
http://www.ostfalia.de/export/sites/default/de/pws/turtur/NeuesVerzeichnis/Film_englisch.pdf
Also: http://www.padrak.com/ine/INE24.html
I don't know enough about it to comment.
Quote from: Somamech on July 01, 2012, 09:18:28 PM
Yeah so you have replicated that what you see in nature or just have a theory?
Here is an experiment which I have not yet performed but if it behaves as predicted it would be evidence of aether displacement.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/21/Kim_EtAl_Quantum_Eraser.svg
If beam splitter BSb is replaced with D4 the photons traveling the blue path which are detected at D1 and D2 may correspond with the interference patterns being created at D0. If this is the case then the which-way information of the photons will be known and this is evidence nothing is delayed, nothing is erased and de Broglie was correct.
It is evidence de Broglie was correct because it is evidence the particle traveling toward D0 has associated waves traveling both the red and blue paths and that wave interference is occurring prior to the particle being detected at D0 regardless of what else happens in the experiment.
Quote from: Somamech on July 01, 2012, 09:25:46 PM
Thanks for that ;)
You have just proven in your weasel way that you have no working model
8)
Then general relativity is not a working model.
'Ether and the Theory of Relativity by Albert Einstein'
http://www-groups.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~history/Extras/Einstein_ether.html
"According to the general theory of relativity space without ether is unthinkable"
"the state of the [ether] is at every place determined by connections with the matter and the state of the ether in neighbouring places, ... disregarding the causes which condition its state."
The state of the aether at every place determined by connections with the matter and the state of the aether in neighboring places is the state of displacement of the aether.
Quote from: mpc755 on July 01, 2012, 09:39:08 PM
Then general relativity is not a working model.
'Ether and the Theory of Relativity by Albert Einstein'
http://www-groups.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~history/Extras/Einstein_ether.html
"According to the general theory of relativity space without ether is unthinkable"
"the state of the [ether] is at every place determined by connections with the matter and the state of the ether in neighbouring places, ... disregarding the causes which condition its state."
The state of the aether at every place determined by connections with the matter and the state of the aether in neighboring places is the state of displacement of the aether.
So you have a working model or not ?
:o
Quote from: Somamech on July 01, 2012, 09:44:30 PM
So you have a working model or not ?
:o
Is general relativity a working model? Because I figured out what causes the condition of the state of the aether of relativity.
'Ether and the Theory of Relativity by Albert Einstein'
http://www-groups.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~history/Extras/Einstein_ether.html
"According to the general theory of relativity space without ether is unthinkable"
"the state of the [ether] is at every place determined by connections with the matter and the state of the ether in neighbouring places, ... disregarding the causes which condition its state."
The state of the aether at every place determined by connections with the matter and the state of the aether in neighboring places is the state of displacement of the aether.
Quote from: mpc755 on July 01, 2012, 09:51:12 PM
Is general relativity a working model? Because I figured out what causes the condition of the state of the aether of relativity.
'Ether and the Theory of Relativity by Albert Einstein'
http://www-groups.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~history/Extras/Einstein_ether.html
"According to the general theory of relativity space without ether is unthinkable"
"the state of the [ether] is at every place determined by connections with the matter and the state of the ether in neighbouring places, ... disregarding the causes which condition its state."
The state of the aether at every place determined by connections with the matter and the state of the aether in neighboring places is the state of displacement of the aether.
SO you claim to have figured it out but you dont have a working model to share ?
A working model that is not qoutes from wikipedia would help ?
Quote from: Somamech on July 01, 2012, 09:59:20 PM
SO you claim to have figured it out but you dont have a working model to share ?
A working model that is not qoutes from wikipedia would help ?
The working models are general relativity and wave mechanics.
What I have figured out is what causes the state of the aether in general relativity.
'Ether and the Theory of Relativity by Albert Einstein'
http://www-groups.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~history/Extras/Einstein_ether.html
"According to the general theory of relativity space without ether is unthinkable"
"the state of the [ether] is at every place determined by connections with the matter and the state of the ether in neighbouring places, ... disregarding the causes which condition its state."
The state of the aether at every place determined by connections with the matter and the state of the aether in neighboring places is the state of displacement of the aether.
What I have figured out is what de Broglie referred to as the "energetic contact" in wave mechanics.
'Interpretation of quantum mechanics by the double solution theory - Louis de BROGLIE'
http://aflb.ensmp.fr/AFLB-classiques/aflb124p001.pdf
"any particle, even isolated, has to be imagined as in continuous "energetic contact" with a hidden medium"
The hidden medium of de Broglie wave mechanics is the aether. The "energetic contact" is the state of displacement of the aether.
Quote from: Somamech on July 01, 2012, 09:30:45 PM
Its invisible
Aether cat says your being silly
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Bluebird/CheshireCat.png)
Aether flows that are 720 degree based conform to a geometry that creates life.
The flower of life patterns that cannot help but arise in a cymatics type consequence.
http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2012/wadenhill/wadenhill2012a.html
It's difficult to visulaise, as it's none visable to our eyes.
I deal in the invisible, as a ,
hobbit
Rotation is the one thing connecting the movements & energies of the planets.
Everybody is thinking 'what causes the rotation?'
Now i am at this moment more interested in the effects of that rotation, for they are many & varied.
We maybe can't study the cause, but we can study the effects.
That will bring us closer to the cause, methinks..
Ah, seawater is of course slightly conductive, ever so slightly magnetic, & may well move in patterns dictated by electrical changes in our atmosphere.
But i would think thermo-flows (gulf stream etc) are stronger by far.
So what happens when water is flowing in one direction, but EM currents are flowing in another?
We should ask Harwell if they have some old underwater gauss meters lying around.... ;)
And the Japanese can sell you an MHD yacht, totally silent, electric.
A bit like an underwater gravitor, except it is purely electromagnetic.
MPC:
QuoteThe aether is, or behaves similar to, a superfluid with properties of a solid; an incompressible fluid.
The faster an object moves with respect to the state of the aether in which it exists the more aether the object displaces.
The mass of the aether displaced by an object and the mass of the object itself is the relativistic mass of an object.
Yes, this would appear to be so, but where is energy in this equation?
Einstein never really thought of gravity as a wave, but a distortion of the space-time, something i have my doubts with. I thend also towards an 'ether' theory, but more along the lines of Bearden, Aspden & more recently LaViolette.
What is interesting is that these theories have a lot in common, and explain gravity, mass, time etc better than GR & QM can.
Hobbit's 'memory field' is describing the 'information' component of energy, in all it's forms.
The 55/34 ratio is not unlike SQK theory, which supports Brown's analogy of positive particles having a bigger attraction component than their negative counterparts. Hence the terms 'gravity hill' & 'gravity well'.
Conventional physics also states that 'gravity waves' (the elusive graviton:) travel no faster than light.
This is clearly wrong, because nearly all AG researchers (including Tesla himself) concluded that gravity travels much faster than light.
Just ask an astronomer.
I agree with Mikado on this;
QuoteSecondly, since you brought up the nuclear explosion, would you say that if one could remove the effects of the aether condensing matter than that matter would dissolve? My answer is yes.
This would be analagous to 'removing the local memory field' to Hobbit, and 'disrupting the ether matrix' for the rest of us. Is it possible to 'disintegrate' mass without the destructive explosion of released energy?
Probably, but it's not something i would like to experiment with ;)
QuoteGoing out on a limb.
I have been reading this forum in various different arenas or threads. I see many theories here and there are some areas that I have found interesting as well as enlightening.
When it comes to the aether, there are several different ideas that seem to "float" around. Primarily, I have seen a goodly amount of twisted established science being expressed. If someone cannot express established science than how can one be expected to correctly identify that which is anomalous to that established science?
What mpc755 has posted, so far, is one of the closest "cliff notes" interpretation of Dr. Brown's theory on the aether.
So far, mpc755 is spot on. I would recommend that those that are serious in following Dr. Brown take heed.
Just my two cents,
Mikado
Heed taken, i want to see this theory develop, try 'modern aether science' by Aspden;
http://www.mediafire.com/view/?f5lqxunpflwrwdr (http://www.mediafire.com/view/?f5lqxunpflwrwdr)
There will be plenty of gravity theories posted soon ;) so let's get back to ether & displacement...
Meanwhile, i can see the discussion deterioating at this point (page 8 or so), & i have to be up early, but i look forward to joining the discussion on entropy, and engineering.
Sleep well, freinds, & don't bite each other, i would like something intelligent to read tomorrow :)
PWM
Look at these with a mind free from indoctrination.
THINK of what is been shown.
The hill shown in the first link to this crop circle is Silbury hill....I often sit on the top of it THINKING.
http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2012/wadenhill/groundshots.html
Every stalk of the crop exists in it's own memory field where transmutation occurs that We call growth.
As the aether overloads( or is purposely overloaded locally) the atoms that compose the crop are attracted instantly in a magnetic type manner to displace in space relative to the direction of the aether flow overloading.
That flow will ALWAYS correspond to the geometry and thus follow a local vortex.
Those vortexs can and do exist at all scale.
I have wandered about in crop circle of all shapes and sizes checking and checking and checking the myriad of things that contibute to these spirals, and why a central area remains stood up.
I do this in many crops that are not these recognised crop circles, and if YOU observe carefully You will see this everywhere.
Maybe some little green men heard me thinking of these patterns???
hobbit
So far I am hearing just alot of words. All well meaning, Still words.
One says.... where is your working model? And the other says.... quoting Mikado
:This would be analagous to 'removing the local memory field' to Hobbit, and 'disrupting the ether matrix' for the rest of us. Is it possible to 'disintegrate' mass without the destructive explosion of released energy?Probably, but it's not something i would like to experiment with
You say that Hobbits views are not perhaps valid in the " scientific world".... the Hobbit could care less... as could I actually..... but this is interesting.... pushing forward to a " working model" for what would prove the theory. RIGHT? And yet you all agree with this concept?
This would be analagous to 'removing the local memory field' to Hobbit, and 'disrupting the ether matrix' for the rest of us. Is it possible to 'disintegrate' mass without the destructive explosion of released energy?Probably, but it's not something i would like to experiment with
Well, gee. It would be a working model right? Sort of like the Atomic Bomb was right? Linda
If it doesn't have the "destructive explosion of released energy: then it has to be......OK.... right? Do you even know what he has just said????
Quote from: PLAYSWITHMACHINES on July 01, 2012, 10:36:24 PM
Rotation is the one thing connecting the movements & energies of the planets.
Everybody is thinking 'what causes the rotation?'
Now i am at this moment more interested in the effects of that rotation, for they are many & varied.
We maybe can't study the cause, but we can study the effects.
That will bring us closer to the cause, methinks..
Ah, seawater is of course slightly conductive, ever so slightly magnetic, & may well move in patterns dictated by electrical changes in our atmosphere.
But i would think thermo-flows (gulf stream etc) are stronger by far.
So what happens when water is flowing in one direction, but EM currents are flowing in another?
We should ask Harwell if they have some old underwater gauss meters lying around.... ;)
And the Japanese can sell you an MHD yacht, totally silent, electric.
A bit like an underwater gravitor, except it is purely electromagnetic.
MPC:
Yes, this would appear to be so, but where is energy in this equation?
'Interpretation of quantum mechanics by the double solution theory - Louis de BROGLIE'
http://aflb.ensmp.fr/AFLB-classiques/aflb124p001.pdf
"any particle, even isolated, has to be imagined as in continuous "energetic contact" with a hidden medium"
The hidden medium of de Broglie wave mechanics is the aether. The "energetic contact" is the state of displacement of the aether.
The particle can be subatomic or the 'particle' can be the Earth.
The state of displacement of the aether is the energy.
Quote
Einstein never really thought of gravity as a wave, but a distortion of the space-time, something i have my doubts with.
Curved space-time is displaced aether.
QuoteI thend also towards an 'ether' theory, but more along the lines of Bearden, Aspden & more recently LaViolette.
What is interesting is that these theories have a lot in common, and explain gravity, mass, time etc better than GR & QM can.
Hobbit's 'memory field' is describing the 'information' component of energy, in all it's forms.
The 55/34 ratio is not unlike SQK theory, which supports Brown's analogy of positive particles having a bigger attraction component than their negative counterparts. Hence the terms 'gravity hill' & 'gravity well'.
Conventional physics also states that 'gravity waves' (the elusive graviton:) travel no faster than light.
This is clearly wrong, because nearly all AG researchers (including Tesla himself) concluded that gravity travels much faster than light.
Just ask an astronomer.
I agree with Mikado on this;
This would be analagous to 'removing the local memory field' to Hobbit, and 'disrupting the ether matrix' for the rest of us. Is it possible to 'disintegrate' mass without the destructive explosion of released energy?
Probably, but it's not something i would like to experiment with ;)
Heed taken, i want to see this theory develop, try 'modern aether science' by Aspden;
http://www.mediafire.com/view/?f5lqxunpflwrwdr (http://www.mediafire.com/view/?f5lqxunpflwrwdr)
There will be plenty of gravity theories posted soon ;) so let's get back to ether & displacement...
Meanwhile, i can see the discussion deterioating at this point (page 8 or so), & i have to be up early, but i look forward to joining the discussion on entropy, and engineering.
Sleep well, freinds, & don't bite each other, i would like something intelligent to read tomorrow :)
PWM
Quote from: Littleenki on July 01, 2012, 05:03:18 PM
Ow, Mikado you hurt my last feeling! LOL!
Besides,I could care less as to celebrating with someone who is a closet antagonist.
Just being civil, but innuendo?
Pm you?
Your not worth the time buddy.
If you want to pm me, you can, I have nothing to hide.
Le
No, a realist.
As to being worth the time, time as in time served?
Nah, I won't stoop that low to comment on time with you.
Mikado
Quote from: Linda Brown on July 01, 2012, 05:12:41 PM
Man, I doubeldogdare any other Forum to match these conversations!!!!! This is GREAT!!!!!
Sticking my head back in this.... a mild objection...
Mikado.... You said....
"Anyone who is promoting the use of dowsing rods to explain the aether really seems to be attempting to drag their theories into a theory to help explain what it is they believe.
I object to your saying what Hobbit is " seeming to do" You have know real knowledge of what he is doing.... just as he has no real knowledge of what your agenda is....... so lets forget trying to explain what others " seem to be doing..... OK???
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=1623.msg22871#msg22871
If gravity was only a push, we would all look like pancakes.
And if it was all pull, we would be a double stack of self same pancakes.
So it is a balance between the two forces of the universe...creation versus annihalation, and as of now Hobbit has the closest theory of how the difference keeps us shaped like we are, in our meat suits. 55 vs 34.
Try dowsing, it will shed the lead armor, and bring in a new suit of titanium chain mail. I have, and it makes everything easier to understand, as the universe talks to us through the rods, which are just a metal metaphor for our desire to learn.
Cheers!
Littleenki
You are objecting to the wrong boy, I was commenting on the above statement that was made to mpc755
Mikado
Quote from: Mikado on July 02, 2012, 01:26:43 AM
No, a realist.
As to being worth the time, time as in time served?
Nah, I won't stoop that low to comment on time with you.
Mikado
Keep milking it Mikado, your an antaginist cut and dry, and you know it.
Stop wasting the forum's time also, it's rude and unnecessary.
Le
Quote from: mpc755 on July 01, 2012, 07:32:24 PM
Never heard of it before but it appears to be an ion thruster, correct?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ion_thruster
If so then this is different than the aether. Ions are still particles of matter which exist in and displace the aether.
I can categorically so no, it is not an ion thruster.
Mikado
Quote from: hobbit on July 01, 2012, 09:13:52 PM
You missed IMHO.
Unless You have some evidence to back up Your as fact statement??
IMHO( in my hoibbit opinion)
The aether is not merely a single subject, it is far more complex., and it most certainly travels in counter spin flows in precise opposite direction in layers, and the clouds of water in different conditions of state of water reveal this.
Matter doesn't exist except as a local memory , and no matter how arranged that matter is, it is always within a memory field of torus form that implodes into and out of a heart centre that maintains the memory .
The memory is fed down in scaler fashion , and in this planets condition that results in a constant growth of mass.
The net inrush is what we term gravity.
Mass is created in a fixed lattice matrix of universe, that a resonant based fluid like substance travels about in the mirror like faces of the scalar geometric substance that forms the fixed near solid universe.
If mpc would simply ponder where mass origonates, then He/She??
would instead of trying to bully this theory he has , and deem anyone who offers alternate theory as someone to be kicked out of a thread.
May instead contemplate a creation and annihilation continuum , where mass is a consequence that remains in it's state as long as the memory field that here has a net implosion ratio remains reasonably steady.
I can follow the flowing part of what is called the aether, and can also detect and plot and follow each and every memory field about that which I atune to.
I can then determine how each memory firld sym biotically interacts with the larger memory fields it exists within.
I have wandered about multiple megalithic sites made of huge blocks of mass in varios forms, and have gleaned any understanding of the consequences of their placenents etc, no matter how much scorn is thrown my way....I ramble onwards.
hobbit
He missed? He was asked to show a model to prove what he has said. Equal footing.
Mikado
Quote from: Littleenki on July 02, 2012, 01:40:55 AM
Keep milking it Mikado, your an antaginist cut and dry, and you know it.
Stop wasting the forum's time also, it's rude and unnecessary.
Le
Funny, I would say the exact same thing to you regarding this thread.
Mikado gets it.
Quote from: Mikado on July 02, 2012, 02:01:13 AM
He missed? He was asked to show a model to prove what he has said. Equal footing.
Mikado
The models for aether displacement already exist. They are general relativity and wave mechanics/pilot-wave theory.
There is an aether in general relativity.
'Ether and the Theory of Relativity by Albert Einstein'
http://www-groups.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~history/Extras/Einstein_ether.html
"According to the general theory of relativity space without ether is unthinkable"
"the state of the [ether] is at every place determined by connections with the matter and the state of the ether in neighbouring places, ... disregarding the causes which condition its state."
The state of the aether at every place determined by connections with the matter and the state of the aether in neighboring places is the state of displacement of the aether.
'Interpretation of quantum mechanics by the double solution theory - Louis de BROGLIE'
http://aflb.ensmp.fr/AFLB-classiques/aflb124p001.pdf
"any particle, even isolated, has to be imagined as in continuous "energetic contact" with a hidden medium"
The hidden medium of de Broglie wave mechanics is the aether. The "energetic contact" is the state of displacement of the aether.
A moving particle has an associated aether displacement wave.
Where pilot-wave theory is incorrect is in thinking there are hidden variables. There are no such things as hidden variables. Downconverted photon pairs are created with opposite angular momentums. Remove the nonsense of hidden variables from pilot-wave theory and you have the wave piloting the particle of aether displacement.
mpc755, I was actually referencing hobbit's post where he was presenting a theory but yet everyone else was demanding a working model from you. Equal footing, he should have to present one as well.
Just a simple observation,
Mikado
Quote from: Mikado on July 02, 2012, 02:35:01 AM
mpc755, I was actually referencing hobbit's post where he was presenting a theory but yet everyone else was demanding a working model from you. Equal footing, he should have to present one as well.
Just a simple observation,
Mikado
The working models associated with aether displacement already exist. What I have done is figured out what Einstein was referring to when he discussed the state of the aether as determined by its connections with the matter and the state of the aether in neighboring places and what de Broglie was referring to as the "energetic contact" with a hidden medium are both referring to the state of displacement of the aether.
Quote from: mpc755 on July 01, 2012, 09:33:55 PM
I don't know enough about it to comment.
Well... I gave plenty of links to get Ya started. [smile]
Quote from: Mikado on July 02, 2012, 02:35:01 AM
Equal footing, he should have to present one as well.
Perhaps he should indeed...
but I see the difference between the two styles of presentation...
don't you?
Quote from: Mikado on July 02, 2012, 02:35:01 AM
mpc755, I was actually referencing hobbit's post where he was presenting a theory but yet everyone else was demanding a working model from you. Equal footing, he should have to present one as well.
Just a simple observation,
Mikado
Then by Your simple observation means You will note I said..."You missed off IMHO" in a post to mpc????
I am mikado relaying my personal observations of how this little hobbit interacts with My surroundings.
I am defficient in such verbal techniques unlike Yourself, but perhaps I am far far superior in My little abililities than could ever be put into words to satisfy You???
I would suggest with respect , and I have always held You in such, but along a specific route, that You represent how many operate and demand such proofs, and You are an excellent eng. in such , but it is within a confined church of proof.
That proof has to be within the confines of Your church walls and rule books contents.
The hobbit operates right through such walls, they simply offer little resistance to what the hobbit utilises, in fact the earth itself is almost as if it were a mere super movi.
Mpc can supply countless references of how the best minds within Your church like thinking have condensed over time, and it is all very compelling.
IMHO( in my hobbit opinion)
Is just that, but I will huff and I will puff until I blow Your church walls down, they will vanish as if by magic to those confined within them.
Fear not sir Mikado, there is nothing to fear, but fear.
hobbit
Quote from: mpc755 on July 01, 2012, 08:33:08 PM
Aether has mass and physically occupies three dimensional space. Aether is physically displaced by matter. Displaced aether pushes back and exerts inward pressure toward matter.
I think that ather/Aether is displaced by matter, which is exactly why it does not have the properties of a solid. It has the properties of a fluid like "something".
noun
1.
a substance, as a liquid or gas, that is capable of flowing and that changes its shape at a steady rate when acted upon by a force tending to change its shape [PIMANDER EDIT: Which is why it can be
DISPLACED. ]
adjective
2.
pertaining to a substance that easily changes its shape; capable of flowing. [PIMANDER EDIT: Which is why it can be
DISPLACED. ]
SOURCE: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/fluid
Quote from: Pimander on July 02, 2012, 11:26:50 AM
I think that ather/Aether is displaced by matter, which is exactly why it does not have the properties of a solid. It has the properties of a fluid like "something".
noun
1.
a substance, as a liquid or gas, that is capable of flowing and that changes its shape at a steady rate when acted upon by a force tending to change its shape [PIMANDER EDIT: Which is why it can be DISPLACED. ]
adjective
2.
pertaining to a substance that easily changes its shape; capable of flowing. [PIMANDER EDIT: Which is why it can be DISPLACED. ]
SOURCE: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/fluid
The aether has to have properties of a solid or light would not propagate through it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luminiferous_aether
"However, a transverse wave apparently required the propagating medium to behave as a solid, as opposed to a gas or fluid. ... These models had to agree with the fact that the electromagnetic waves are transverse but never longitudinal."
This is why Robert Laughlin describes the aether as a piece of window glass.
"Subsequent studies with large particle accelerators have now led us to understand that space is more like a piece of window glass than ideal Newtonian emptiness." - Robert B. Laughlin, Nobel Laureate in Physics, endowed chair in physics, Stanford University
'Superfluid Is Shown To Have Property Of A Solid'
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/1999/07/990730072958.htm
"Northwestern University physicists have for the first time shown that superfluid helium-3 -- the lighter isotope of helium, which is a liquid that has lost all internal friction, allowing it to flow without resistance and ooze through tiny spaces that normal liquids cannot penetrate -- actually behaves like a solid in its ability to conduct sound waves."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supersolid
"A supersolid is a spatially ordered material with superfluid properties."
The aether is, or behaves similar to, a superfliud with properties of a solid; a supersolid. Which is why it can be displaced
and light waves are able to propagate through it.
Quote from: zorgon on July 02, 2012, 09:15:32 AM
Perhaps he should indeed...
but I see the difference between the two styles of presentation...
don't you?
As a matter of fact I do. However, what is sauce for one is sauce for the other.
I do believe that when mpc755 uses the word "model", he/she is using the word in a different context than what Somamech was using the word as.
mpc755 is looking at representative models to support his theory whereas Somamech is looking at a POP (Proof Of Principle) model.
As to demanding things, a good simili would be if someone makes a factual statement, without proof, and expects everyone to believe but yet demands verifiable proof from others, it is wrong.
Mikado
Quote from: mpc755 on July 01, 2012, 09:33:55 PM
I don't know enough about it to comment.
We figured that out on Page One.
We suggest that you 'put up or shut up' also, as everything you have put forth here so far has been "you figured it out for yourself" and "y'all better believe me or go somewhere else."
BTW, do you have a working model?
Yes or no.
tfw
(leaves room and switches hats)
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Littleenki
Quote from: thorfourwinds on July 02, 2012, 03:31:28 PM
Quote from: mpc755
I don't know enough about it to comment.
We figured that out on Page One.
Wow! Moderators who take quotes out of context. How pathetic is that?
The quote you mined was specifically referring to the Biefeld-Brown Effect.
Quote
BTW, do you have a working model?
The representative models are general relativity and pilot-wave/wave mechanics.
There is an aether in general relativity.
'Ether and the Theory of Relativity by Albert Einstein'
http://www-groups.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~history/Extras/Einstein_ether.html
"According to the general theory of relativity space without ether is unthinkable"
"the state of the [ether] is at every place determined by connections with the matter and the state of the ether in neighbouring places."
The state of the aether at every place determined by connections with the matter and the state of the aether in neighboring places is the state of displacement of the aether.
'Interpretation of quantum mechanics by the double solution theory - Louis de BROGLIE'
http://aflb.ensmp.fr/AFLB-classiques/aflb124p001.pdf
"any particle, even isolated, has to be imagined as in continuous "energetic contact" with a hidden medium"
The hidden medium of de Broglie wave mechanics is the aether. The "energetic contact" is the state of displacement of the aether.
A moving particle has an associated aether displacement wave.
Where pilot-wave theory is incorrect is in thinking there are hidden variables. There are no such things as hidden variables. Downconverted photon pairs are created with opposite angular momentums. Remove the nonsense of hidden variables from pilot-wave theory and you have the wave piloting the particle of aether displacement.
Here is an experiment which if performed and behaves as predicted would be a proof of principle model of aether displacement.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/21/Kim_EtAl_Quantum_Eraser.svg
If beam splitter BSb is replaced with D4 the photons traveling the blue path which are detected at D1 and D2 may correspond with the interference patterns being created at D0. If this is the case then the which-way information of the photons will be known and this is evidence nothing is delayed, nothing is erased and de Broglie was correct.
It is evidence de Broglie was correct because it is evidence the particle traveling toward D0 has associated waves traveling both the red and blue paths and that wave interference is occurring prior to the particle being detected at D0 regardless of what else happens in the experiment.
Quote from: thorfourwinds on July 02, 2012, 03:31:28 PM
We figured that out on Page One.
We suggest that you 'put up or shut up' also, as everything you have put forth here so far has been "you figured it out for yourself" and "y'all better believe me or go somewhere else."
BTW, do you have a working model?
Yes or no.
tfw
(leaves room and switches hats)
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Petty bickering and personal insults will not be tolerated.
This is a research and learning forum and all are expected to adhere to T&C (even those who pretend to haver never heard the term...)
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Hold on a second.
Yes, mpc755 comes across direct but some of you here need to look at the history of the sciences.
Didn't Einstein's equations amounted to nothing more then an unproven theory with NO working model?
You figured it out on page one? How trite to make that statement.
It has been said to me by Zorgon that this is a place to present ideas, theories, principles, results of experiments to share with others. Isn't that what mpc755 is doing?
If you don't like their style, okay, I can understand that but what he says is valid as a basis to begin experimentation. The need for a theory is essential in the beginning and then the work in devising experiments to prove the theory.
You'all need to learn some tolerance.
After all, a good deal of what is being discussed is ...
"Theoretical Physics".
Now I don't know if I am addressing a the member or the moderator but I have voiced my opinion as to what I see going on.
Bottom line, if you don't like what mpc755 has to say...ignore the thread.
Mikado
Quote from: mpc755 on July 02, 2012, 12:12:20 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supersolid
"A supersolid is a spatially ordered material with superfluid properties."
The aether is, or behaves similar to, a superfliud with properties of a solid; a supersolid. Which is why it can be displaced and light waves are able to propagate through it.
This is semantic nonsense.
So it is a fluid, one with no viscosity: A superfluid.
Like a fluid (gas) it fills all space available and can be displaced without causing friction - completely unlike a solid.
I do not see why you think a medium must be spacially ordered to propagate waves. It is
NOT KNOWN how EM waves (light) propogate through the ether. It is a mystery.
Mass does not displace the aether.
The aether causes mass to displace .
It does this in a near solid perfectly packed omni present and geometrically shaped universe.
The universal geometric stuff never moves.
Mass is created by the flowing aether, and it does so within it's own unique memory bubble.
All of the memory field bubbles compound to eventually become overall the planet, and at each stage the most dominant memory field contains and is composed of all the others within it.
This carries on outwards with this planet been within the suns, the sun been wthin the galaxy add infirnitum to whatever is the overall field of universe.
Connecting together all of these fieldsand operating exactly the self same way at any scale as all others is magnetic flows of north pole and south pole .
These feed all the individual fields and this duality is what enables mass and matter and life to exist and be maintained in a never ending churning about the dominant memory pole whatever exists within.
These flows rise and fall and in doing so create tidal consequences at all scale.
The displacement is caused from external and internal variations that cause overall the memory field to SWITCH in the geometry, and internally to SWITCH the mass or matter within the field.
The overall driver and which came first in a chicken and egg type situation is the aether flows.
The then created mass does locally cause a displacement of the flows as it utilises some of the flow to maintain it's memory field which is constantly forgetting as mass is transmuting.
This is why I keep adding the word SYMBIOTIC, it's a constant fluxing , but with a series of circulaions about the spheroid shaped created mass with concentrations into and out of the pole areas which creates the lights often seen.
The circulating layers are why We have clouds, and if You puzzle out what is at play with raindrops , You will realise the simple operation at play, that is overall super complicated.
The earth will have layers created in super conductive manner, and very high resistive manner, and the symbiotic interactions between the aether maker , and the aether surrounded made is dependant on where in this layering it is, and it will try to normalise if re positioned.
All of course imho , the ramblings of.
hobbit
Quote from: Pimander on July 02, 2012, 03:59:15 PM
I do not see why you think a medium must be spacially ordered to propagate waves. It is NOT KNOWN how EM waves (light) propogate through the ether. It is a mystery.
Agreed.
Mikado
Quote from: Pimander on July 02, 2012, 03:59:15 PM
This is semantic nonsense.
So it is a fluid, one with no viscosity: A superfluid.
Like a fluid (gas) it fills all space available and can be displaced without causing friction - completely unlike a solid.
I do not see why you think a medium must be spacially ordered to propagate waves. It is NOT KNOWN how EM waves (light) propogate through the ether. It is a mystery.
The whole reason for the Michelson-Morley experiment was that it was thought the aether had to be a solid in order to support transverse waves. That is why the Michelson-Morley experiment looked for a stationary aether the Earth moved through.
'Superfluid Is Shown To Have Property Of A Solid'
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/1999/07/990730072958.htm
"Northwestern University physicists have for the first time shown that superfluid helium-3 -- the lighter isotope of helium, which is a liquid that has lost all internal friction, allowing it to flow without resistance and ooze through tiny spaces that normal liquids cannot penetrate -- actually behaves like a solid in its ability to conduct sound waves."
The aether is, or behaves similar to, a superfliud with properties of a solid; a supersolid.
Quote from: hobbit on July 02, 2012, 04:01:42 PM
Mass does not displace the aether.
Aether has mass and physically occupies three dimensional space. Aether is physically displaced by matter. Displaced aether pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward matter is gravity. A moving particle has an associated aether displacement wave. In a double slit experiment the particle travels a well defined trajectory which takes it through one slit while the associated aether wave passes through both.
The whole reason for the Michelson-Morley experiment was that it was thought the aether had to be a solid in order to support transverse waves. That is why the Michelson-Morley experiment looked for a stationary aether the Earth moved through.[/color
]And after that experiment the stampede started discounting the aether entirely. They were mistaken. Linda
Quote from: Linda Brown on July 02, 2012, 04:10:43 PMAnd after that experiment the stampede started discounting the aether entirely. They were mistaken. Linda
The Michelson-Morley experiment disproved a stationary aether the Earth moved through. The Sagnac effect disproved a completely entrained aether. The aether is neither stationary nor completely entrained by the Earth. Aether is displaced by matter.
MPC.... you said quite awhile ago that you figured all of this out " On your own" about thirty years ago.
Can you tell us how this revealation came to you? Was it the result of painstaking lab work? Or study of work before you? Or did it just occur to you sort of " out of the blue"
Its always interesting to see the seed of passion before it sprouts.
Linda
Quote from: Linda Brown on July 02, 2012, 04:15:46 PM
MPC.... you said quite awhile ago that you figured all of this out " On your own" about thirty years ago.
Can you tell us how this revealation came to you? Was it the result of painstaking lab work? Or study of work before you? Or did it just occur to you sort of " out of the blue"
Its always interesting to see the seed of passion before it sprouts.
Linda
Intuition and common sense.
OK.... intuition...... and common sense.
I like those qualities. I try to use them all the time.
But can your remember what particularly it was that you felt.....and when you felt it? What was the process that this intuition took to reach what is obviously a grand passion for you now. Alot of people have intuition and common sense but that does not lead them to the path that you have taken.
A little more information about what happened thirty years ago? Linda
Quote from: Linda Brown on July 02, 2012, 04:20:14 PM
OK.... intuition...... and common sense.
I like those qualities. I try to use them all the time.
But can your remember what particularly it was that you felt.....and when you felt it? What was the process that this intuition took to reach what is obviously a grand passion for you now. Alot of people have intuition and common sense but that does not lead them to the path that you have taken.
A little more information about what happened thirty years ago? Linda
Thirty years ago when I graduated from college I was trying to figure out what I wanted to do with my life and one of the things I wanted to do was to make a difference, have my voice heard. I figured if I figured out gravity then my voice would be heard, so that is what I did.
So you decided ahead of time then that you were simply going to find out what gravity was.... and that would help you make your mark on the world.... and that was it?
Linda
Quote from: Linda Brown on July 02, 2012, 04:32:53 PM
So you decided ahead of time then that you were simply going to find out what gravity was.... and that would help you make your mark on the world.... and that was it?
Linda
Pretty much. I had written a biography on Einstein as part of an astronomy class.
Are You at all familiar with the work of LaViolette? I think You might find it interesting to compare what You have figured out with what He has.
Darn. How is it then I wonder that others have not been able to do that? Wouldn't that be wonderful! Decide what your future discoveries are going to be and then just go out and do them!
Maybe you were fortunate MPC.... perhaps you lucked out by not running into professors and other experts who tried to tell you that what you were doing was supposed to be impossible to their standards.... not knowing any different you just went out and did it.
I say terrific.
But now here comes the really hard part. You can't just say the words and make it so. Even if they are true. You can say true words until you are blue in the face and no one is going to listen to you until you have some solid lab proof that this has been proven and harking back to Einsteins ideas will not help you here. This has to be something of your own and it has to hold up....
The inspiration might have hit you easily but I think that you realize maybe that your work has just begun?
I understand what it is to see everything " In a flash" I do it sometimes..... and Dad did it too..... Now the work begins trying to explain that to the people around you. THATS when you start earning your gold stars in this Universe. My very best to you for the future. Linda
Quote from: Linda Brown on July 02, 2012, 04:47:19 PM
Darn. How is it then I wonder that others have not been able to do that? Wouldn't that be wonderful! Decide what your future discoveries are going to be and then just go out and do them!
Maybe you were fortunate MPC.... perhaps you lucked out by not running into professors and other experts who tried to tell you that what you were doing was supposed to be impossible to their standards.... not knowing any different you just went out and did it.
I say terrific.
But now here comes the really hard part. You can't just say the words and make it so. Even if they are true. You can say true words until you are blue in the face and no one is going to listen to you until you have some solid lab proof that this has been proven and harking back to Einsteins ideas will not help you here. This has to be something of your own and it has to hold up....
The inspiration might have hit you easily but I think that you realize maybe that your work has just begun?
I understand what it is to see everything " In a flash" I do it sometimes..... and Dad did it too..... Now the work begins trying to explain that to the people around you. THATS when you start earning your gold stars in this Universe. My very best to you for the future. Linda
Here is an experiment which if performed and behaves as predicted would be a proof of principle model of aether displacement.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/21/Kim_EtAl_Quantum_Eraser.svg
If beam splitter BSb is replaced with D4 the photons traveling the blue path which are detected at D1 and D2 may correspond with the interference patterns being created at D0. If this is the case then the which-way information of the photons will be known and this is evidence nothing is delayed, nothing is erased and de Broglie was correct.
It is evidence de Broglie was correct because it is evidence the particle traveling toward D0 has associated waves traveling both the red and blue paths and that wave interference is occurring prior to the particle being detected at D0 regardless of what else happens in the experiment.
Quote from: hobbit on July 02, 2012, 04:01:42 PM
Mass does not displace the aether.
The aether causes mass to displace .
It doesn't matter which way round you put it.
It means EXACTLY THE SAME THING!I'm just going to leave you guys to it I think. Someone let me know if people start making sense or progress. (http://zx-10r.net/forum/images/smilies/smilies/eyecrazy.gif)
Quote from: Pimander on July 02, 2012, 06:15:04 PM
It doesn't matter which way round you put it. It means EXACTLY THE SAME THING!
I'm just going to leave you guys to it I think. Someone let me know if people start making sense or progress. (http://zx-10r.net/forum/images/smilies/smilies/eyecrazy.gif)
Until you understand the aether is, or behaves similar to, a superfluid with properties of a solid it is preferred you stay away.
"Until you understand the aether is, or behaves similar to, a superfluid with properties of a solid it is preferred you stay away
I can not believe that you actually wrote that!
What well are you drinking from sir? You are not the know all and end all of knowledge here and just a little bit of humility might serve your cause well in the future!
You are STILL a very long way from understanding Aether.... as I see it. Have you read Kosyrev?(corrected my spelling ..... with a Z...thanks Hobbit) Do you even know who he is? Lets talk about " intelligent aether for a little bit" OK..... and lets see if you can keep up. ( Gee, I left the e out of Aether too!!! now corrected! ) Linda
Quote from: Linda Brown on July 02, 2012, 06:30:27 PM
"Until you understand the aether is, or behaves similar to, a superfluid with properties of a solid it is preferred you stay away
I can not believe that you actually wrote that!
What well are you drinking from sir? You are not the know all and end all of knowledge here and just a little bit of humility might serve your cause well in the future!
You are STILL a very long way from understanding Aether.... as I see it. Have you read Kosyrev? Do you even know who he is? Lets talk about " intelligent ather for a little bit" OK..... and lets see if you can keep up. Linda
My response was appropriate for a poster stating, "Someone let me know if people start making sense or progress."
Quote from: Linda Brown on July 02, 2012, 06:30:27 PM
"Until you understand the aether is, or behaves similar to, a superfluid with properties of a solid it is preferred you stay away
I can not believe that you actually wrote that!
What well are you drinking from sir? You are not the know all and end all of knowledge here and just a little bit of humility might serve your cause well in the future!
You are STILL a very long way from understanding Aether.... as I see it. Have you read Kosyrev? Do you even know who he is? Lets talk about " intelligent ather for a little bit" OK..... and lets see if you can keep up. Linda
I feel like liza Minnelli.
It's with a Z Linda,
http://divinecosmos.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=334&Itemid=30
I suggest everyone chills a little.
the aether is fabulous, and complicated, there's no need for anyone to push off, as in our current understandings the aether doesn't make sense.
hobbit been pushed and pulled, but never shaken.
Quote from: hobbit on July 02, 2012, 06:39:25 PM
I feel like liza Minnelli.
It's with a Z Linda,
http://divinecosmos.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=334&Itemid=30
I suggest everyone chills a little.
the aether is fabulous, and complicated, there's no need for anyone to push off, as in our current understandings the aether doesn't make sense.
hobbit been pushed and pulled, but never shaken.
It does make sense.
It is ironic that Einstein's most creative work, the general theory of relativity, should boil down to conceptualizing space as a medium when his original premise [in special relativity] was that no such medium existed [..] The word 'ether' has extremely negative connotations in theoretical physics because of its past association with opposition to relativity. This is unfortunate because, stripped of these connotations, it rather nicely captures the way most physicists actually think about the vacuum. . . . Relativity actually says nothing about the existence or nonexistence of matter pervading the universe, only that any such matter must have relativistic symmetry. [..] It turns out that such matter exists. About the time relativity was becoming accepted, studies of radioactivity began showing that the empty vacuum of space had spectroscopic structure similar to that of ordinary quantum solids and fluids. Subsequent studies with large particle accelerators have now led us to understand that space is more like a piece of window glass than ideal Newtonian emptiness. It is filled with 'stuff' that is normally transparent but can be made visible by hitting it sufficiently hard to knock out a part. The modern concept of the vacuum of space, confirmed every day by experiment, is a relativistic ether. But we do not call it this because it is taboo." - Robert B. Laughlin, Nobel Laureate in Physics, endowed chair in physics, Stanford University
Laughlin refers to the aether as matter and 'stuff', meaning aether has mass.
Laughlin refers to the aether as a piece of window glass, meaning the aether is, or behaves similar to, a supersolid.
Aether has mass which means it physically occupies three dimensional space and is displaced by matter.
That's all you need to understand and pretty much every open question facing mainstream physics is answered.
Hobbit and I agree that the word " stuff" has special meaning to us too! Linda
Quote from: Linda Brown on July 02, 2012, 06:47:16 PM
Hobbit and I agree that the word " stuff" has special meaning to us too! Linda
'stuff' does not mean having mass to hobbit. Does 'stuff' mean having mass to you? Because that's what it means in aether displacement.
We are such stuff as dreams are made of.
Have you read the rest of what he said? It might surprise you
Prospero:
Our revels now are ended. These our actors,
As I foretold you, were all spirits, and
Are melted into air, into thin air:
And like the baseless fabric of this vision,
The cloud-capp'd tow'rs, the gorgeous palaces,
The solemn temples, the great globe itself,
Yea, all which it inherit, shall dissolve,
And, like this insubstantial pageant faded,
Leave not a rack behind. We are such stuff
As dreams are made on; and our little life
Is rounded with a sleep.
Linda
IAll I need to understand?
That's all you need to understand and pretty much every open question facing mainstream physics is answered.
Thats nice to know that it is so simple MPC. I think that Hobbit and I and maybe some others might disagree with you..... but its good to be confident in your views.
Linda
Quote from: Linda Brown on July 02, 2012, 06:53:53 PM
We are such stuff as dreams are made of.
Have you read the rest of what he said? It might surprise you
Prospero:
Our revels now are ended. These our actors,
As I foretold you, were all spirits, and
Are melted into air, into thin air:
And like the baseless fabric of this vision,
The cloud-capp'd tow'rs, the gorgeous palaces,
The solemn temples, the great globe itself,
Yea, all which it inherit, shall dissolve,
And, like this insubstantial pageant faded,
Leave not a rack behind. We are such stuff
As dreams are made on; and our little life
Is rounded with a sleep.
Linda
Does 'stuff' mean having mass to you? A yes or no answer will suffice.
Because that's what it means in aether displacement.
Quote from: mpc755 on July 02, 2012, 06:41:08 PM
Just responding in kind.
QuoteSuperfluid vacuum theory (SVT), sometimes dubbed as the theory of BEC vacuum, is an approach in theoretical physics and quantum mechanics where the physical vacuum (fundamental non-removable background) is viewed as superfluid or BEC. The microscopical structure of the physical vacuum is currently largely unknown and is a subject of intensive studies in SVT. An ultimate goal of the approach is to develop scientific models that unify quantum mechanics (describing three of the four known fundamental interactions) with gravity. This makes SVT a candidate for the theory of quantum gravity. It is hoped that development of such theory would unify into a single consistent model all fundamental interactions, and to describe all known interactions in the Universe, at both microscopic and astronomic scales, as different manifestations of the same entity, superfluid vacuum.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superfluid_vacuum (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superfluid_vacuum)
And now?
A "Tried, True & Tested Model" would be nice at this juncture of explanation.
QuoteIt is evidence de Broglie was correct
Not because someone said so.
1Worldwatcher
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Quote from: 1Worldwatcher on July 02, 2012, 06:58:27 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superfluid_vacuum (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superfluid_vacuum)
And now?
A "Tried, True & Tested Model" would be nice at this juncture of explanation.Not because someone said so.
1Worldwatcher
Global Moderator
The following experiment refutes the notion of a delayed choice and the notion of a quantum eraser.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/21/Kim_EtAl_Quantum_Eraser.svg
If beam splitter BSb is replaced with D4 the photons traveling the blue path which are detected at D1 and D2 may correspond with the interference patterns being created at D0. If this is the case then the which-way information of the photons will be known and this is evidence nothing is delayed, nothing is erased and de Broglie was correct.
It is evidence de Broglie was correct because it is evidence the particle traveling toward D0 has associated waves traveling both the red and blue paths and that wave interference is occurring prior to the particle being detected at D0 regardless of what else happens in the experiment.
Quantum Eraser. That's odd.
" You are the moment between the chalk and the eraser."
And I rather think that we all are.
Sorry.... I might have jumped subject there but maybe some will see the importance of that comment. To the others.... just ignore.
Quote from: Linda Brown on July 02, 2012, 06:57:00 PM
IAll I need to understand?
That's all you need to understand and pretty much every open question facing mainstream physics is answered.
Thats nice to know that it is so simple MPC. I think that Hobbit and I and maybe some others might disagree with you..... but its good to be confident in your views.
Linda
Mass is that which physically occupies three dimensional space.
Aether has mass.
Aether is physically displaced by matter.
Displaced aether pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward matter is gravity.
A moving particle has an associated aether displacement wave. In a double slit experiment the moving particle travels a well defined path which takes it through one slit while the associated aether wave passes through both.
The above correctly explains most of the open questions facing physics today.
Quote from: Linda Brown on July 02, 2012, 07:16:01 PM
Quantum Eraser. That's odd.
" You are the moment between the chalk and the eraser."
And I rather think that we all are.
Sorry.... I might have jumped subject there but maybe some will see the importance of that comment. To the others.... just ignore.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delayed_choice_quantum_eraser
In what is incorrectly referred to as a delayed choice quantum eraser experiment nothing is delayed and nothing is erased.
In what is incorrectly referred to as a delayed choice quantum eraser experiment nothing is delayed and nothing is erased.PRECISELY MY MEANING ABOVE. Linda
I keep stumbling into these quotes but they are so well worth repeating here
"In order to test this idea in the laboratory, it was necessary to create an area that was completely free of air (a vacuum) and lead-shielded from all known electromagnetic radiation fields by using what is known as a Faraday cage. This airless vacuum space was then cooled down to absolute zero or -273°C, the temperature where all matter should stop vibrating and thus produce no heat.
These experiments proved that instead of an absence of energy in the vacuum, there is a tremendous amount of it, from a completely non-electromagnetic source!
Dr Puthoff has often called this a "seething cauldron" of energy in very high magnitudes. Since this energy could still be found at absolute zero, this force was dubbed "zero point energy" or ZPE, whereas the Russian scientists usually call it the "physical vacuum" or PV.
Established mainstream physicists Dr John Wheeler and Dr Richard Feynman calculated that the amount of zero-point energy in the space volume of a single light bulb is powerful enough to bring all the world's oceans to the boiling point!
http://divinecosmos.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=334&Itemid=30Your reaction to this MPC?
Linda
Quote from: Linda Brown on July 02, 2012, 07:53:27 PM
I keep stumbling into these quotes but they are so well worth repeating here
"In order to test this idea in the laboratory, it was necessary to create an area that was completely free of air (a vacuum) and lead-shielded from all known electromagnetic radiation fields by using what is known as a Faraday cage. This airless vacuum space was then cooled down to absolute zero or -273°C, the temperature where all matter should stop vibrating and thus produce no heat.
These experiments proved that instead of an absence of energy in the vacuum, there is a tremendous amount of it, from a completely non-electromagnetic source!
Dr Puthoff has often called this a "seething cauldron" of energy in very high magnitudes. Since this energy could still be found at absolute zero, this force was dubbed "zero point energy" or ZPE, whereas the Russian scientists usually call it the "physical vacuum" or PV.
Established mainstream physicists Dr John Wheeler and Dr Richard Feynman calculated that the amount of zero-point energy in the space volume of a single light bulb is powerful enough to bring all the world's oceans to the boiling point!
http://divinecosmos.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=334&Itemid=30Your reaction to this MPC?
Linda
Not exactly sure about the experiment you are referring to. However, zero point energy associated with a particle is the state of displacement of the aether connected to and neighboring the particle.
This is what de Broglie referred to as the following.
"any particle, even isolated, has to be imagined as in continuous "energetic contact" with a hidden medium"
The hidden medium of de Broglie wave mechanics is the aether. The "energetic contact" is the state of displacement of the aether.
A moving particle has an associated aether displacement wave.
mpc,
It appears Your whipping up a right little TEMPEST here????
There are those who venture to suggest, that the bard be a time traveller???
Duth thar push back theory allow for such a senario????
hobbit
You said
However, zero point energy associated with a particle is the state of displacement of the aether connected to and neighboring the particle.
OK......and yet......you are not familiar with the experiment mentioned above and repeated below here?
In order to test this idea in the laboratory, it was necessary to create an area that was completely free of air (a vacuum) and lead-shielded from all known electromagnetic radiation fields by using what is known as a Faraday cage. This airless vacuum space was then cooled down to absolute zero or -273°C, the temperature where all matter should stop vibrating and thus produce no heat.
These experiments proved that instead of an absence of energy in the vacuum, there is a tremendous amount of it, from a completely non-electromagnetic source
You should be jumping for joy that someone has already ( at least they SAY they have already ) done the experiment mentioned above. I would think that this would be part of your understanding of what was gong on here. It only bolsters your case when someone says..... where is the experiment..... learn more about this and then point in this direction!
Unless of course it is important to be the only person standing here? If thats going to be the case... You may find yourself very lonely MPC. Linda
And of course I happen to like this section
"These experiments proved that instead of an absence of energy in the vacuum, there is a tremendous amount of it, from a completely non-electromagnetic source
Linda
Quote from: Linda Brown on July 02, 2012, 08:11:27 PM
You said
However, zero point energy associated with a particle is the state of displacement of the aether connected to and neighboring the particle.
OK......and yet......you are not familiar with the experiment mentioned above and repeated below here?
In order to test this idea in the laboratory, it was necessary to create an area that was completely free of air (a vacuum) and lead-shielded from all known electromagnetic radiation fields by using what is known as a Faraday cage. This airless vacuum space was then cooled down to absolute zero or -273°C, the temperature where all matter should stop vibrating and thus produce no heat.
These experiments proved that instead of an absence of energy in the vacuum, there is a tremendous amount of it, from a completely non-electromagnetic source
You should be jumping for joy that someone has already ( at least they SAY they have already ) done the experiment mentioned above. I would think that this would be part of your understanding of what was gong on here. It only bolsters your case when someone says..... where is the experiment..... learn more about this and then point in this direction!
Unless of course it is important to be the only person standing here? If thats going to be the case... You may find yourself very lonely MPC. Linda
What I do not know is if the energy they are detecting in the vaccum is the energy associated with the state of displacement of the aether in the container. The container walls themselves are displacing the aether. There are particles of matter in any vaccum created artificially on Earth so there is also energy associated with the state of displacement of the aether connected to and neighboring the very few particles of matter in the vaccum.
However, I do not know if the state of displacement of the aether accounts for all of the energy detected.
You said here...
"What I do not know is if the energy they are detecting in the vaccum is the energy associated with the state of displacement of the aether in the container
And that means..... what?...... that besides what you believe that there might be something else at play in their experiment??? Thats an interesting thought.
How can you separate them so that you know what is what is yours and what is "theirs"?
However, I do not know if the state of displacement of the aether accounts for all of the energy detected.
And I have to ask.... How do you know this. I am not asking you to prove anything to me.... notice that.... I am simply asking how you know this......Linda
Quote from: Linda Brown on July 02, 2012, 08:42:16 PM
Tou said here...
"What I do not know is if the energy they are detecting in the vaccum is the energy associated with the state of displacement of the aether in the container
And that means..... what...... that besides what you believe that there might be something else at play in their experiment??? Thats an interesting thought.
How can you separate them so that you know what is what is yours and what is "theirs"? Linda
Calculate the energy within the container walls associated with the state of displacement of the aether associated with the container walls and add to that the energy associated with the state of displacement of the aether with respect to any particles which exist in the container and compare that to the energy detected.
How?
Oh I see what you are saying needs to be done but I would like to hear from you how you propose to get that done? Linda
Quote from: Linda Brown on July 02, 2012, 08:48:02 PM
How?
Gravity is the state of displacement of the aether associated with the particles of matter the Earth consists of which are doing the displacing. That can be calculated using general relativity. I wonder if something similar could be calculated associated with the particles of matter the container consists of and the particles of matter which exist in the vacuum which are causing the state of displacement of the aether in the container.
Words, words words MPC.
You will have to do better than that to be taken seriously.
I am sorry but thats the honest truth.
That can be calculated using general relativity
Specifically..... HOW?
Linda
Hobbit.
One step at a time dear Hobbit I think
There are those who venture to suggest, that the bard be a time traveller???
Is interesting that he is the one who coined the phrase " into thin air". So when we describe that someone stepped into a " portal " and " disappeared into thin air" we will have to remember him huh? Linda
Quote from: Linda Brown on July 02, 2012, 08:58:29 PM
Words, words words MPC.
You will have to do better than that to be taken seriously.
I am sorry but thats the honest truth.
That can be calculated using general relativity
Specifically..... HOW?
Linda
Curved spacetime is displaced aether.
The calculations associated with curved spacetime could be used to calculate the state of displacement of the aether in the vacuum.
Why is it that I get the feeling that you are simply running back to your source to get another shovel of coal for this fire.
You can talk about this further with Mikado if you want. I grow weary of it. Linda
Quote from: Linda Brown on July 02, 2012, 10:14:20 PM
Why is it that I get the feeling that you are simply running back to your source to get another shovel of coal for this fire.
You can talk about this further with Mikado if you want. I grow weary of it. Linda
Why is it that I get the feeling that you are simply trying to do everything you can possibly do not to understand what occurs physically in nature to cause gravity and the observed behaviors in a double slit experiment.
If you want to understand gravity and what occurs physically in nature in a double slit experiment then understand the following.
Displaced aether pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward matter is gravity.
A moving particle has an associated aether displacement wave. In a double slit experiment the particle travels a well defined trajectory which takes it through one slit while the associated aether wave passes through both.
Aether is a piece of cloth...
drop something onto that cloth it will stretch the fabric...
tension of that fabric will wont to push back...
You can try this at home
Quote from: zorgon on July 02, 2012, 10:20:02 PM
Aether is a piece of cloth...
drop something onto that cloth it will stretch the fabric...
tension of that fabric will wont to push back...
You can try this at home
What you are describing is the state of displacement of the aether.
Quote from: mpc755 on July 02, 2012, 10:21:25 PM
What you are describing is the state of displacement of the aether.
yeah but I did it in four lines :D
Quote from: zorgon on July 02, 2012, 10:31:35 PM
yeah but I did it in four lines :D
Aether displaced by matter pushes back and exerts inward pressure toward the matter; which is gravity.
I did it in one.
Thank you fellas. Linda
Except that is what the ether does not do. Never mind. ::)
(http://www.physicsclassroom.com/class/newtlaws/u2l3a1.gif)
The reason the objects continue with a constant motion is because ether is NOT how you guys describe. Jeeeez!
WTF is going on here lol.
Ah! Here comes the moment between the either/ or!
haha.... thats funny......
Hello Primander.... Your description then of aether?
Linda
Quote from: Linda Brown on July 02, 2012, 10:57:01 PM
Thank you fellas. Linda
Why are you unable to answer if 'stuff' has mass, or not?
In aether displacement, mass is defined as that which physically occupies three dimensional space. Aether has mass.
Quote from: Littleenki on July 03, 2012, 12:12:29 AM
Copied and pasted.again.
'Horava-Lifshitz theory as a Fermionic Aether in Ashtekar gravity'
http://arxiv.org/abs/1206.6296
"We show how Ho\v{r}ava-Lifshitz (HL) theory appears naturally in the Ashtekar formulation of relativity if one postulates the existence of a fermionic field playing the role of aether. The spatial currents associated with this field must be switched off for the equivalence to work. Therefore the field supplies the preferred frame associated with breaking refoliation (time diffeomorphism) invariance, but obviously the symmetry is only spontaneously broken if the field is dynamic."
Another article referring to the state of displacement of the aether.
Now thats somethin new mpc...Lol!
Ya got me goin! :)))
Le
Quote from: Littleenki on July 03, 2012, 12:27:16 AM
Now thats somethin new mpc...Lol!
Ya got me goin! :)))
Le
The following article describes the aether as an incompressible fluid resulting in what the article refers to as gravitational aether caused by pressure (or vorticity).
'Phenomenology of Gravitational Aether as a solution to the Old Cosmological Constant Problem'
http://arxiv.org/abs/1106.3955
"One proposal to address this puzzle at the semi-classical level is to decouple quantum vacuum from space-time geometry via a modification of gravity that includes an incompressible fluid, known as Gravitational Aether. In this paper, we discuss classical predictions of this theory along with its compatibility with cosmological and experimental tests of gravity. We argue that deviations from General Relativity (GR) in this theory are sourced by pressure or vorticity."
The following article describes gravity as a pressure exerted by aether toward matter.
'The aether-modified gravity and the G ?del metric'
http://arxiv.org/pdf/1109.5654v2
"As for the pressure, it is equal to p = 53??g,6a2 so, it is positive if ?g < 3 which is the weaker condition than the previous one. One notes that the results corresponding to the usual gravity are easily recovered. Also, it is easy to see that the interval ?g < 15 corresponds to the usual matter."
The following article describes a gravitating vacuum where aether is the quantum vacuum of the 21-st century.
'From Analogue Models to Gravitating Vacuum'
http://arxiv.org/pdf/1111.1155
"The aether of the 21-st century is the quantum vacuum, which is a new form of matter. This is the real substance"
The following articles describe what is presently postulated as dark matter is aether.
'Quantum aether and an invariant Planck scale'
http://arxiv.org/abs/1110.3753
"this version of aether may have some bearing on the abundance of Dark Matter and Dark Energy in our universe."
"mass of the aether"
'Scalars, Vectors and Tensors from Metric-Affine Gravity'
http://arxiv.org/pdf/1110.5168
"the model obtained here gets closer to the aether theory of , which is shown therein to be an alternative to the cold dark matter."
'Unified model for dark matter and quintessence'
http://arxiv.org/pdf/physics/0610135
"Superfluid dark matter is reminiscent of the aether and modeling the universe using superfluid aether is compatible."
'Vainshtein mechanism in Gauss-Bonnet gravity and Galileon aether'
http://arxiv.org/pdf/1107.1892
"the perturbations of the scalar field do not propagate in the Minkowski space-time but rather in some form of "aether" because of the presence of the background field"
Apologies MPC107
I just accidently ruined your post by pressing modify instead of quote. Sorry about that. I have removed it but if you post it again I will reply.
How embarassing lol.
Quote from: Pimander on July 03, 2012, 12:39:52 AM
Apologies MPC107
I just accidently ruined your post by pressing modify instead of quote. Sorry about that. I have removed it but if you post it again I will reply.
How embarassing lol.
No worries.
Objects are able to move through the aether because the aether is, or behaves similar to, a superfluid with properties of a solid; a supersolid.
Superfluids and supersolids are able to push back and exert inward pressure toward matter. There is no friction in the interaction and no loss of energy in the interaction.
The energy an object uses to displace the aether the aether returns to the object as the aether 'displaces back'.
Is the Earth displacing the aether or is the aether displacing the Earth? Both are occurring simultaneously with equal force.
Hey, 1WW, let it slide of your back like water from a duck, amigo...take a breather and try to become balanced again, we all have these moments from time to time, and we all are here with you as friends will be.
You are of strong mind, and dont let anything ruffle your feathers, mate.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vX5R00ndzQo
Keeping you in my thoughts, friend.... :D
Littleenki
Isn't it interesting that twenty to thirty years ago if you even mentioned the word " aether" you were laughed out of the Physics classroom. Now look at all of these different people discussing what it is, precisely.
Thats amazing to me.
Of course that long ago people were calling Kozyrev a crackpot. Now they are realizing that they are studying from textbooks that are quoting him directly and he is being called the father of his field. The Russians jailed him but apparently something reached out, he said, and touch him on the shoulder.
Handsome man wasn't he? Looked a little bit like Sean Connery I thought...
The FBI tried to call Dad a " crackpot" too.... and one of the funniest interviews which was supposed to be in their " expert analysis of his work" was the contribution of a secretary who said that she felt his ideas of space travel were silly and the " man must not be credible" This was one of their " expert" witnesses regarding the validity of Dads work. The FBI reports are interesting to read because they interviewed EVERYONE... even neighbors who had never even seen Dad. Makes you still wonder what this government spends its money on. Apparently two men were on Dad for five years and at the end of it they closed the case..... citing that they finally had decided that he had quit Science for good. One of them was smart enough to add...." paraphrasing here.... we should continue to watch him. Someone this dedicated to what his lifes passion is .... will not just quit."
( I understand from Mr. Twigsnapper that the FBI agents that had followed Dad for so many years left that service and were hired on by a group working for William Stephenson. And that same team ended up working along side Dad while we were in Philadelphia at the Decker Lab in 1966.
So really..... its a testament to Dad I think... that these gentleman would develop such an interest in what he was doing to spend the first five years watching him for the FBI and even more years working alongside him!That just boggles my mind.
Before I met them Mr. Stephenson referred to them as " our men at Deckers".....
Linda
Quote from: Linda Brown on July 03, 2012, 06:04:26 AM
Isn't it interesting that twenty to thirty years ago if you even mentioned the word " aether" you were laughed out of the Physics classroom. Now look at all of these different people discussing what it is, precisely.
Thats amazing to me.
Funny you should say that. I don't see it that way at all. I posted the following quote from Ralph Laughlin on a different physics forum and I was immediately banned as an 'ether crackpot'. That's right, all it took was for me to quote from a Nobel laureate having to do with aether and I was banned.
"It is ironic that Einstein's most creative work, the general theory of relativity, should boil down to conceptualizing space as a medium when his original premise [in special relativity] was that no such medium existed [..] The word 'ether' has extremely negative connotations in theoretical physics because of its past association with opposition to relativity. This is unfortunate because, stripped of these connotations, it rather nicely captures the way most physicists actually think about the vacuum. . . . Relativity actually says nothing about the existence or nonexistence of matter pervading the universe, only that any such matter must have relativistic symmetry. [..] It turns out that such matter exists. About the time relativity was becoming accepted, studies of radioactivity began showing that the empty vacuum of space had spectroscopic structure similar to that of ordinary quantum solids and fluids. Subsequent studies with large particle accelerators have now led us to understand that space is more like a piece of window glass than ideal Newtonian emptiness. It is filled with 'stuff' that is normally transparent but can be made visible by hitting it sufficiently hard to knock out a part. The modern concept of the vacuum of space, confirmed every day by experiment, is a relativistic ether. But we do not call it this because it is taboo." - Robert B. Laughlin, Nobel Laureate in Physics, endowed chair in physics, Stanford University
Take a look at how lazy mainstream physicists are by reading the following.
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2012/06/08/dark-matter-vs-aether/
"So the aether was a theoretical idea that never found experimental support. In 1905 Einstein pointed out how to preserve the symmetries of Maxwell's equations without referring to aether at all, in the special theory of relativity, and the idea was relegated to the trash bin of scientific history."
Einstein also stated, "According to the general theory of relativity space without ether is unthinkable". How mainstream physics is able to interpret this to mean there isn't an aether in relativity is beyond me.
There do appear to be some mainstream physicists who are starting to get it. Like the following.
'Horava-Lifpoopz theory as a Fermionic Aether in Ashtekar gravity'
http://arxiv.org/abs/1206.6296
"We show how Ho\v{r}ava-Lifpoopz (HL) theory appears naturally in the Ashtekar formulation of relativity if one postulates the existence of a fermionic field playing the role of aether. The spatial currents associated with this field must be switched off for the equivalence to work. Therefore the field supplies the preferred frame associated with breaking refoliation (time diffeomorphism) invariance, but obviously the symmetry is only spontaneously broken if the field is dynamic."
A dynamic aether field with the spatial currents switched off seems to me to be discussing the state of displacement of the aether.
Ice floats, it is less dense than water, so it actually displaces less as a solid than it would as a liquid.
And if you post a theory, you can expect people to misunderstand, or not understand, and argue some points of the topic. If you say 'i don't want anyone posting here who disagrees with me' it will get very boring very quickly.
There are 3 ways you can try to prove this theory, 1. By experiment & direct observation, 2. Mathematical expressions, 3. Logic.
Ideally you would need to prove all 3 before the theory can even be accepted as such, but we're not that fussy here on PRC ;) and i will settle for logic if it is sound.
Yes, i like your theory of aether displacement, but are we not allowed to discuss the pro's & cons of it???
Wikipedia: It is a very good source, better than G**rgoyle or YooToob. Everything is carefully researched, if an item is not reliably sourced, it says so in red at the top of the page......
QuoteI can't help it if you are too self absorbed to understand this.
That is nothing short of arrogance. Make us understand, it's your theory, you have to explain it to us....
Zorgon is right, intuition doesn't cut it, although Hobbit uses it to great advantage, not all of us have it.....
Logic, then.
Movement relative to the aether frame may well cause displacement, sure, but what about rotation?
This causes all kinds of anomalous effects, and could well be due to a 'whirlpool' effect in the aether caused by the rotating mass. Torsion fields, anyone?
Podketnov's 'gravity pulse generator' produced a shock wave which dented steel plate 50 feet away, went through walls etc. This wave appeared to be superluminal at first, as measured by Oblensky et al.
So could this be aether displacement without the associated mass? The energy was supplied by a very rapid movement of charge, which if you have read my posts, has some very interesting properties.
This brings us very neatly to T.T.Browns experiments, which were also of the same nature, and also proven by the charge displacement setup, let's call it a 'sharp field gradient' for scientific correctness ;)
The effect of this displacement on certain ceramics, metals, liquids & plasma's is without question, and has therefore been verified from at least 3 sources.
Is this an 'electro-gravitic wave' or is it 'aether displacement'?
Could they both be one & the same thing?
The only way to find out is through dilligent research, honest reporting of facts, sound math & sound theory.
And discussing it, of course........
QuoteQuote from: Amaterasu on 01-07-2012, 10:53:49
Thank You for Your explanation. Another question...
What do You see as explaining the Biefeld-Brown Effect? Or do You deny it exists?
Never heard of it before but it appears to be an ion thruster, correct?
Like i said, lots of research......
Quote"any particle, even isolated, has to be imagined as in continuous "energetic contact" with a hidden medium"
The hidden medium of de Broglie wave mechanics is the aether. The "energetic contact" is the state of displacement of the aether.
The particle can be subatomic or the 'particle' can be the Earth.
The state of displacement of the aether is the energy.
Good! Now we are getting somewhere.
QuoteIf you don't like their style, okay, I can understand that but what he says is valid as a basis to begin experimentation. The need for a theory is essential in the beginning and then the work in devising experiments to prove the theory.
You'all need to learn some tolerance.
Thank you Mikado.
QuoteMass does not displace the aether.
The aether causes mass to displace .
It does this in a near solid perfectly packed omni present and geometrically shaped universe.
And you, Hobbit. A supersolid universe would have to be geometrically arranged in order to work.
Of course, if mass can displace aether, then the reverse is also true :)
I'm not going to argue the 'chicken/egg' part of that, see that both statements are equally true.
QuoteBut now here comes the really hard part. You can't just say the words and make it so. Even if they are true. You can say true words until you are blue in the face and no one is going to listen to you until you have some solid lab proof that this has been proven and harking back to Einsteins ideas will not help you here. This has to be something of your own and it has to hold up....
Eggxactly, Linda!
;D
The problem with Einstein is that he did not have all the data to start with (Maxwell's original work) and he very astutely proposed that mass somehow bends time & space around it.
This i do not agree with, but the theory of aether being displaced is more correct, IMO what you are refferring to as 'condensation' of the aether into mass, is the same as the Higgs field theory.
This is IMO somewhat closer to the truth, but again it is all conjecture, as is a large chunk of our 'conventional' physics.....
Score so far;
PRC 1 Einstein 1
QuoteQuote from: mpc755 on 02-07-2012, 14:21:25
What you are describing is the state of displacement of the aether.
yeah but I did it in four lines
;D ;D ;D ;D
QuoteIsn't it interesting that twenty to thirty years ago if you even mentioned the word " aether" you were laughed out of the Physics classroom. Now look at all of these different people discussing what it is, precisely.
Thats amazing to me.
Yes, amazing to me, too :)
The FBI? They managed to lose 5 crates of Tesla's papers LOL!
Hoover set us back 100 years...... :o
QuoteTake a look at how lazy mainstream physicists are by reading the following.
Yes!
Now we are getting somewhere ::)
All we need to do now is prove it, with a proof of concept model (mathematical or real)...........
Quote from: PLAYSWITHMACHINES on July 03, 2012, 12:48:56 PM
Ice floats, it is less dense than water, so it actually displaces less as a solid than it would as a liquid.
I am using ice and water as
analogous of matter and aether. I used ice and water to refer to ice as 'condensations' of water and for ice to 'evaporate' into water and to show that ice displaces water.
To mention ice as being less dense than water shows you are completely missing the point of the
analogy.
Quote
And if you post a theory, you can expect people to misunderstand, or not understand, and argue some points of the topic. If you say 'i don't want anyone posting here who disagrees with me' it will get very boring very quickly.
I am open to discussing aether displacement. My first posted started with "Aether has mass and physically occupies three dimensional space. Aether is physically displaced by matter".
If a poster continually responds with "Aether does not have mass and is not displaced by matter" then there really is no reason to try and have a 'conversation' with that poster now is there?
Quote
There are 3 ways you can try to prove this theory, 1. By experiment & direct observation, 2. Mathematical expressions, 3. Logic.
Ideally you would need to prove all 3 before the theory can even be accepted as such, but we're not that fussy here on PRC ;) and i will settle for logic if it is sound.
Every time a double slit experiment is performed is evidence of aether displacement. Gravity is evidence of aether displacement. The ripple created when galaxy clusters collide is evidence of aether displacement. The wave out ahead of our heliosphere is evidence of aether displacement. The offset between galaxy clusters and the light lensing through the space neighboring the galaxy clusters is evidence of aether displacement. The Milky Way's halo is evidence of aether displacement. The zero point energy associated with a particle is evidence of aether displacement.
These are direct observations of the effects caused by aether displaced by matter.
Quote
Yes, i like your theory of aether displacement, but are we not allowed to discuss the pro's & cons of it???
Of course we are supposed to discuss the pro's and con's
of aether displacement. However, there is zero reason to 'discuss' aether displacement with someone who insists aether is not displaced by matter.
Quote
Wikipedia: It is a very good source, better than G**rgoyle or YooToob. Everything is carefully researched, if an item is not reliably sourced, it says so in red at the top of the page......
Quote
I can't help it if you are too self absorbed to understand this.
That is nothing short of arrogance. Make us understand, it's your theory, you have to explain it to us....
The poster I was responding to said the following.
Quote
I personally believe that this is a self absorbed idea of what the aether truly is
I must have missed your post where you told that poster their post is nothing short of arrogance.
Quote
Zorgon is right, intuition doesn't cut it, although Hobbit uses it to great advantage, not all of us have it.....
Logic, then.
Movement relative to the aether frame may well cause displacement, sure, but what about rotation?
Movement through and displacement of the aether means there isn't an aether frame
Watch the following video starting at 0:45 to see a visual representation of the state of the aether. What is referred to as a twist in spacetime is the state of displacement of the aether. What is referred to as frame-dragging is the state of displacement of the aether.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9ITt44-EHE
The analogy is putting a mesh bag full of marbles into a superfluid and spinning the bag of marbles. If you were unable to determine if the superfluid consists of particles or not you would
still be able to detect the state of displacement of the superfluid.
The superfluid connected to and neighboring the mesh bag of marbles is in the same state throughout the rotation of the bag in the superfluid.
The aether connected to and neighboring the Earth is in the same state, or almost the same state, throughout the Earth's rotation about its axis and orbit of the Sun.
The state of which as determined by its connections with the Earth and the state of the aether in neighboring places is the state of displacement of the aether.
Quote
This causes all kinds of anomalous effects, and could well be due to a 'whirlpool' effect in the aether caused by the rotating mass. Torsion fields, anyone?
Podketnov's 'gravity pulse generator' produced a shock wave which dented steel plate 50 feet away, went through walls etc. This wave appeared to be superluminal at first, as measured by Oblensky et al.
So could this be aether displacement without the associated mass? The energy was supplied by a very rapid movement of charge, which if you have read my posts, has some very interesting properties.
Aether and matter are different states of the same material.
Aether and matter have mass.
Mass is that which physically occupies three dimensional space.
Aether has mass.
Quote
This brings us very neatly to T.T.Browns experiments, which were also of the same nature, and also proven by the charge displacement setup, let's call it a 'sharp field gradient' for scientific correctness ;)
The effect of this displacement on certain ceramics, metals, liquids & plasma's is without question, and has therefore been verified from at least 3 sources.
Is this an 'electro-gravitic wave' or is it 'aether displacement'?
Could they both be one & the same thing?
The only way to find out is through dilligent research, honest reporting of facts, sound math & sound theory.
And discussing it, of course........
Like i said, lots of research......
Good! Now we are getting somewhere.
Thank you Mikado.
And you, Hobbit. A supersolid universe would have to be geometrically arranged in order to work.
Of course, if mass can displace aether, then the reverse is also true :)
I'm not going to argue the 'chicken/egg' part of that, see that both statements are equally true.
Eggxactly, Linda!
;D
The problem with Einstein is that he did not have all the data to start with (Maxwell's original work) and he very astutely proposed that mass somehow bends time & space around it.
This i do not agree with, but the theory of aether being displaced is more correct, IMO what you are refferring to as 'condensation' of the aether into mass, is the same as the Higgs field theory.
This is IMO somewhat closer to the truth, but again it is all conjecture, as is a large chunk of our 'conventional' physics.....
Score so far;
PRC 1 Einstein 1
;D ;D ;D ;D
Yes, amazing to me, too :)
The FBI? They managed to lose 5 crates of Tesla's papers LOL!
Hoover set us back 100 years...... :o
Yes!
Now we are getting somewhere ::)
All we need to do now is prove it, with a proof of concept model (mathematical or real)...........
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/21/Kim_EtAl_Quantum_Eraser.svg
If beam splitter BSb is replaced with D4 the photons traveling the blue path which are detected at D1 and D2 may correspond with the interference patterns being created at D0. If this is the case then the which-way information of the photons will be known and this is evidence nothing is delayed, nothing is erased and de Broglie was correct.
It is evidence de Broglie was correct because it is evidence the particle traveling toward D0 has associated waves traveling both the red and blue paths and that wave interference is occurring prior to the particle being detected at D0 regardless of what else happens in the experiment.
QuoteThese are direct observations of the effects caused by aether displaced by matter.
It's is not my fault you are unable to understand this.
You presume to know what i do & do not understand, and you don't even notice when i show approval of your theory.
However, a theory needs to be proved, and not by refferring to other theories as proof....
It would be interesting to see if the gravity probe B actually measured subtle changes in gravity, as noted by Brown all those years ago, but i don't really trust NASA as a source, you may want to visit John Lear's forum for more on that.
Sorry, i'm having problems with .svg files right now, could you place a diagram?
It sounds like the quantum eraser experiment, entangled photons etc.
Now that is something we could base a working (or non-working) physical model on, right?
Shall we have a go?
:)
Your posts are refreshing Playing with Machines.
I have noticed that sometimes individuals who create a theory react has a parent would. Sooner or later, the child must stand or fall on it's own merit.
This theoretical treatise that mpc755 has been putting forth is at that point of development, it needs to try to take its first steps and that be a more detailed experiment other than the slit.
Just because there is success with one experiment doesn't mean it is perfect. It just means that in that instance, it worked.
Just my opinion,
Mikado
QuoteThis theoretical treatise that mpc755 has been putting forth is at that point of development, it needs to try to take its first steps and that be a more detailed experiment other than the slit.
Agreed, if there's any way of taking this further, we need some kind of working model.
I'm sure you all know the 'buckyball' C60 slit experiment?
Could this be evidence that the C60 molecules actually had a corresponding aether wave, that would give the effects shown?
Interesting, to say the least.
Quote from: PLAYSWITHMACHINES on July 03, 2012, 02:05:16 PM
You presume to know what i do & do not understand, and you don't even notice when i show approval of your theory.
However, a theory needs to be proved, and not by refferring to other theories as proof....
It would be interesting to see if the gravity probe B actually measured subtle changes in gravity, as noted by Brown all those years ago, but i don't really trust NASA as a source, you may want to visit John Lear's forum for more on that.
Sorry, i'm having problems with .svg files right now, could you place a diagram?
It sounds like the quantum eraser experiment, entangled photons etc.
Now that is something we could base a working (or non-working) physical model on, right?
Shall we have a go?
:)
If you can get the following experiment performed or need help performing it then let me know.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/21/Kim_EtAl_Quantum_Eraser.svg
If beam splitter BSb is replaced with D4 the photons traveling the blue path which are detected at D1 and D2 may correspond with the interference patterns being created at D0. If this is the case then the which-way information of the photons will be known and this is evidence nothing is delayed, nothing is erased and de Broglie was correct.
It is evidence de Broglie was correct because it is evidence the particle traveling toward D0 has associated waves traveling both the red and blue paths and that wave interference is occurring prior to the particle being detected at D0 regardless of what else happens in the experiment.
Quote from: PLAYSWITHMACHINES on July 03, 2012, 02:24:50 PM
Agreed, if there's any way of taking this further, we need some kind of working model.
I'm sure you all know the 'buckyball' C60 slit experiment?
Could this be evidence that the C60 molecules actually had a corresponding aether wave, that would give the effects shown?
Interesting, to say the least.
Yes, the C60 slit experiment is evidence of a moving particle having an associated aether wave. To think the C-60 molecule is able to interfere with itself at the same time if you place detectors at the exits to the slits at the last instant prior to the C-60 molecule exiting the slit(s) the C-60 molecule molecule is detected as 60 interconnected atoms exiting a single slit is nonsense.
Q. Why is the particle always detected entering, traveling through and exiting a single slit in a double slit experiment?
A. The particle always enters, travels through and exits a single slit. It is the associated aether wave which passes through both slits.
Quote from: Mikado on July 03, 2012, 02:17:02 PM
Your posts are refreshing Playing with Machines.
I have noticed that sometimes individuals who create a theory react has a parent would. Sooner or later, the child must stand or fall on it's own merit.
This theoretical treatise that mpc755 has been putting forth is at that point of development, it needs to try to take its first steps and that be a more detailed experiment other than the slit.
Just because there is success with one experiment doesn't mean it is perfect. It just means that in that instance, it worked.
Just my opinion,
Mikado
I agree an experiment is beneficial. However, do you really think it is particles of matter which exist in quantities less than in any vacuum artificially created on Earth which are able to push back and exert inward pressure toward the solar system? Of course not.
'NASA's Voyager Hits New Region at Solar System Edge'
http://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2011/dec/HQ_11-402_AGU_Voyager.html
"Voyager is showing that what is outside is pushing back. ... Like cars piling up at a clogged freeway off-ramp, the increased intensity of the magnetic field shows that inward pressure from interstellar space is compacting it."
It is the aether which is displaced by the matter the solar system consists of which is pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward the solar system.
Yes, an experiment which refutes a so-called delayed choice quantum eraser experiment is preferred. However,
ALL of the existing evidence
IS evidence aether is displaced by matter.
Quote from: mpc755 on July 03, 2012, 03:16:53 PM
I agree an experiment is beneficial. However, do you really think it is particles of matter which exist in quantities less than in any vacuum artificially created on Earth which are able to push back and exert inward pressure toward the solar system? Of course not.
'NASA's Voyager Hits New Region at Solar System Edge'
http://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2011/dec/HQ_11-402_AGU_Voyager.html
"Voyager is showing that what is outside is pushing back. ... Like cars piling up at a clogged freeway off-ramp, the increased intensity of the magnetic field shows that inward pressure from interstellar space is compacting it."
It is the aether which is displaced by the matter the solar system consists of which is pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward the solar system.
Yes, an experiment which refutes a so-called delayed choice quantum eraser experiment is preferred. However, ALL of the existing evidence IS evidence aether is displaced by matter.
What you are failing to grasp is that ANY theory cannot just be verified by one experiment, regardless of what other theoreticians say in support of each, otherwise, you end up with all in the box and condemning something or supporting something as did occur over 100 years ago.
Now follow me closely here.... what I am putting forth is that MORE experiments need to be developed to substantiate the claims and these experiments will lead to the ability for applications...possibly. These experiments would be developed to build mathematical models so that the aether/matter can be predicted/calculated so as to predict it's characteristics for any given circumstance. Otherwise, your theory is relegated to what ever anyone says it is but you make a good argument, now it needs work.
Since you prefer metaphors and/or analogies I will put it this way. You plant a single kernal of corn and it grows, it produces two ears of corn and you conclude that ALL corn stalks grow two ears of corn. That is not always the case mind you. Perhaps a poor analogy but I will think of a better one as my time is rushed at the moment.
Mikado
Quote from: Mikado on July 03, 2012, 03:45:24 PM
What you are failing to grasp is that ANY theory cannot just be verified by one experiment, regardless of what other theoreticians say in support of each, otherwise, you end up with all in the box and condemning something or supporting something as did occur over 100 years ago.
Now follow me closely here.... what I am putting forth is that MORE experiments need to be developed to substantiate the claims and these experiments will lead to the ability for applications...possibly. These experiments would be developed to build mathematical models so that the aether/matter can be predicted/calculated so as to predict it's characteristics for any given circumstance. Otherwise, your theory is relegated to what ever anyone says it is but you make a good argument, now it needs work.
Since you prefer metaphors and/or analogies I will put it this way. You plant a single kernal of corn and it grows, it produces two ears of corn and you conclude that ALL corn stalks grow two ears of corn. That is not always the case mind you. Perhaps a poor analogy but I will think of a better one as my time is rushed at the moment.
Mikado
A ripple is created when galaxy clusters collide and is incorrectly assumed the ripple is created in dark matter. There is a wave out ahead of our heliosphere which is incorrectly assumed to be created by particles of matter which exist in quantities less than in any vacuum created artificially on Earth. Voyager detected what is outside of our solar system is pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward the solar system which is assumed to be particles of matter which exist in quantities less then in any vacuum artificially created on Earth. There is evidence of an offset between the light lensing through the space neighboring a galaxy cluster and the galaxy cluster itself which is most correctly explained by the galaxy clusters moving through and displacing the aether. 'Dark matter' has been shown to be smoothly distributed throughout dwarf galaxies which is most correctly explained by understanding there is no such thing as non-baryonic dark matter traveling with matter; matter moves through and displaces the aether.
And on and on and on is the evidence which
is evidence aether is displaced by matter.
Now follow me closely here... many experiments have already been performed which are evidence aether is displaced by matter.
MPC.... what you are saying here is not really any different than what my Dad was quoted as saying in 1928. I suspect that both of you were drawing from the same well as far as your inspirations were concerned.
But what Mikado says here is absolutely right. What you have ahead of you now is WORK to get other people to understand you on THEIR base of abilities. Just continuously telling you what you believe to be the truth will not make it manifest as truth in their mind.
Using little stories again. Men like Dad and you and others.... are the bright reef fish of our ocean. Sometimes they are able to leap out of the water and observe something never before seen by fish. Splash..... back in the water. Now here is the problem.... How to explain to the other fish?.....what that cow that you saw grazing in a pasture next to the ocean actually WAS. What experiments toward proof can you devise that will enlighten them? ( Assuming that they even have come to a point where they even CARE to start with!)
( You need help....and then you had better start with some pretty darned smart fish or.... you are REALLY not going to get anywhere.)
I suggest that you are in pretty good company here. Many of these brightly colored fish have experienced that odd sight too... many will see it slightly differently but if you work together the knowledge will also get stronger and deeper and more will join.
Who knows what it will take for these fish to enjoy and totally understand what you have seen?.... maybe they will have to design a flying fish ship that can escort them around that world of cows out there.... whatever it will take.... they can do..... as long as they work together.
Or not..... really up to all of you.... each one makes his own choice. Linda
Quote from: Linda Brown on July 03, 2012, 04:27:22 PM
MPC.... what you are saying here is not really any different than what my Dad was quoted as saying in 1928. I suspect that both of you were drawing from the same well as far as your inspirations were concerned.
But what Mikado says here is absolutely right. What you have ahead of you now is WORK to get other people to understand you on THEIR base of abilities. Just continuously telling you what you believe to be the truth will not make it manifest as truth in their mind.
Using little stories again. Men like Dad and you and others.... are the bright reef fish of our ocean. Sometimes they are able to leap out of the water and observe something never before seen by fish. Splash..... back in the water. Now here is the problem.... How to explain to the other fish?.....what that cow that you saw grazing in a pasture next to the ocean actually WAS. What experiments toward proof can you devise that will enlighten them? ( Assuming that they even have come to a point where they even CARE to start with!)
( You need help....and then you had better start with some pretty darned smart fish or.... you are REALLY not going to get anywhere.)
I suggest that you are in pretty good company here. Many of these brightly colored fish have experienced that odd sight too... many will see it slightly differently but if you work together the knowledge will also get stronger and deeper and more will join.
Who knows what it will take for these fish to enjoy and totally understand what you have seen?.... maybe they will have to design a flying fish ship that can escort them around that world of cows out there.... whatever it will take.... they can do..... as long as they work together.
Or not..... really up to all of you.... each one makes his own choice. Linda
I am not seeing anything everyone else is not seeing. I figured out what is occurring physically in nature to cause what is observed.
My point.
I am not seeing anything everyone else is not seeing. I figured out what is occurring physically in nature to cause what is observed.
So did Dad. Now what will you do? Linda
Quote from: Linda Brown on July 03, 2012, 04:49:42 PM
My point.
I am not seeing anything everyone else is not seeing. I figured out what is occurring physically in nature to cause what is observed.
So did Dad. Now what will you do? Linda
There is the experiment I propose that I would help execute.
There is also just keeping at it.
Absolutely!!!! Linda
Quote from: mpc755 on July 03, 2012, 04:55:48 PM
There is also just keeping at it.
Why?
It's already at 20 pages..
What's left to say? ???
Quote from: zorgon on July 03, 2012, 05:06:09 PM
Why?
It's already at 20 pages..
What's left to say? ???
When you figure out something like gravity and the observed behaviors in a double slit experiment then maybe you will understand.
And Zorgon.... I don't think that MPC and I were actually talking about only his participation here but at least I was meaning IN GENERAL.
Is this boring? Is there a limit to the pages spent in this direction? Do you think that this conversation should be concluded? If so, please let us all know. OK Linda
Quote from: Linda Brown on July 03, 2012, 05:14:40 PM
And Zorgon.... I don't think that MPC and I were actually talking about only his participation here but at least I was meaning IN GENERAL.
Is this boring? Is there a limit to the pages spent in this direction? Do you think that this conversation should be concluded? If so, please let us all know. OK Linda
Why would a conversation where we are discussing what occurs physically in nature which causes gravity and the observed behaviors in a double slit experiment be concluded?
Why should a conversation which links general relativity with quantum mechanics be concluded?
When mainstream physics understands Einstein's gravitational wave is de Broglie's pilot-wave then this conversation can be concluded.
It should never be.... that was the point that I was making.
BUT on the other hand we are guests here and Zorgon is our host. We have to keep this in mind...If this is uncomfortable for him for any reason of course this longstanding ( maybe even multigenerational) conversation is welcomed on my Dads ship... the Resolute.... but only if we need to adjorn from this venue. I do not want this conversation to take up more than its share of the other interesting messages that are coming this way...And only Zorgon knows how he wants to pilot his ship. Linda
Quote from: Linda Brown on July 03, 2012, 05:47:01 PM
It should never be.... that was the point that I was making.
BUT on the other hand we are guests here and Zorgon is our host. We have to keep this in mind...If this is uncomfortable for him for any reason of course this longstanding ( maybe even multigenerational) conversation is welcomed on my Dads ship... the Resolute.... but only if we need to adjorn from this venue. I do not want this conversation to take up more than its share of the other interesting messages that are coming this way...And only Zorgon knows how he wants to pilot his ship. Linda
It's one thread. It can be easily avoided by those not interested in understanding what occurs physically in nature to cause gravity, the observed behaviors in a double slit experiment, and what links general relativity and quantum mechanics: the aether.
If Mpc constantly demands that His theory is the only theory...then it becomes boring.
If He is prepared to think outside the box of conventional sciences,
http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2012/chilcombdown/chilcombdown2012a.html
Then it will become interesting.
hobbit
Quote from: hobbit on July 03, 2012, 05:52:40 PM
If Mpc constantly demands that His theory is the only theory...then it becomes boring.
If He is prepared to think outside the box of conventional sciences,
http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2012/chilcombdown/chilcombdown2012a.html
Then it will become interesting.
hobbit
You keep insisting aether is not displaced by matter in a thread titled 'Aether Displacement'. You should start your own thread.
OR..... we can walk away entirely from this one. no one wants to sing in a one note band.
Linda
So if the aether behaves like a super fluid, and being incompessible, a shock wave as such would travel through it almost instantly, like a Newton's cradle.
This is interesting, since it would mean the wave would travel ahead of the mass. In this respect, it should be possible to 'see' an interference pattern before the particles enters the slit.
Heisenberg made this part of the experiment very uncertain ::) but it would be nice to see what can be done along these lines...
Quote from: Linda Brown on July 03, 2012, 06:22:08 PM
OR..... we can walk away entirely from this one. no one wants to sing in a one note band.
Linda
Aether displacement is the note which correctly explains gravity, the observed behaviors in a double slit experiment, the relationship between mass and energy and it's the big ongoing.
If that note isn't good enough for you then don't let the door hit you...
Quote from: PLAYSWITHMACHINES on July 03, 2012, 06:24:29 PM
So if the aether behaves like a super fluid, and being incompessible, a shock wave as such would travel through it almost instantly, like a Newton's cradle.
This is interesting, since it would mean the wave would travel ahead of the mass. In this respect, it should be possible to 'see' an interference pattern before the particles enters the slit.
Heisenberg made this part of the experiment very uncertain ::) but it would be nice to see what can be done along these lines...
Aether is able to change state at 'c'. The particles create the interference pattern.
A moving particle's associated aether wave is analogous to the bow wave of a boat. As the particle propagates through the aether it displaces different regions of aether. The aether connected to the particle is always going to be the most displaced aether even though the aether connected to the particle continually changes as the particle moves through the aether.
Right fella
Would it be alright Zorgon to have a Parallel thread entitled " Aether Displacement" that does not have the restrictions on its conversations that MPC has placed. That way he can sit here and whistle his one note tune and maybe we all can have a fruitful discussion elsewhere. Asking for your permission to do that in the Townsend Brown section or asking for you to do that for us in an area where you would prefer it. Thanks in advance.
Linda
Quote from: hobbit on July 03, 2012, 05:52:40 PM
If Mpc constantly demands that His theory is the only theory...then it becomes boring.
Well at least there is one person that gets it :D
When I have to go into a thread and delete 20 some odd post that are just silly banter...
When I have to go into a thread to remove nasty posts...
When a thread dominates the recent posts column and people get tired of it getting nowhere and complain to staff
When arrogance keeps telling people to shut up and leave the thread
Then yes it is time to reevaluate the worth of continuance
20 Gold for you Hobbit :D
MPC,
You said
"When you figure out something like gravity and the observed behaviors in a double slit experiment
And THAT statement infers that YOU have????
You must really believe that don't you???
Its good to be confident. Bad to be arrogant. Which are you then???
I will let you finally answer that one yourself. Linda
Quote from: zorgon on July 03, 2012, 06:37:47 PM
Well at least there is one person that gets it :D
When I have to go into a thread and delete 20 some odd post that are just silly banter...
When I have to go into a thread to remove nasty posts...
When a thread dominates the recent posts column and people get tired of it getting nowhere and complain to staff
When arrogance keeps telling people to shut up and leave the thread
Then yes it is time to reevaluate the worth of continuance
20 Gold for you Hobbit :D
Then ban me, lock the thread, or both.
Quote from: mpc755 on July 03, 2012, 05:56:52 PM
You keep insisting aether is not displaced by matter in a thread titled 'Aether Displacement'. You should start your own thread.
No, that is why I posted the seemingly perfectly timed crop circle of a box.
I am not saying the aether is not displaced, it is You who keep saying I am.
I am saying it is not a mere push in a pressured universe that a mass moving creates, it is far far more complicated , but a consequence is a net inrush into mass.
It occurs in all directions at once , hence You me and everything else is not a pancake.
You are demanding You are correct, and You may or may not be, but.
You are therefore demanding that no other additional or variant information may be included in this thread...only YOUR theory must be discussed.
We are trying to explain that You will be alone inside Your box called Your theory.
Where does mass origonate.
How does it seemingly move and spin.
How does the whole shooting match remain in the cyclic patterns it apparently does??
hobbit
Quote from: Linda Brown on July 03, 2012, 06:40:44 PM
MPC,
You said
"When you figure out something like gravity and the observed behaviors in a double slit experiment
And THAT statement infers that YOU have????
You must really believe that don't you???
Its good to be confident. Bad to be arrogant. Which are you then???
I will let you finally answer that one yourself. Linda
Aether has mass and physically occupies three dimensional space. Aether is physically displaced by matter. Displaced aether pushes back and exerts inward pressure toward matter.
Displaced aether pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward matter is gravity.
A moving particle has an associated aether displacement wave. In a double slit experiment the particle travels a well defined trajectory which takes it through one slit while the associated aether wave passes through both.
Quote from: hobbit on July 03, 2012, 06:43:52 PM
No, that is why I posted the seemingly perfectly timed crop circle of a box.
I am not saying the aether is not displaced, it is You who keep saying I am.
I am saying it is not a mere push in a pressured universe that a mass moving creates, it is far far more complicated , but a consequence is a net inrush into mass.
It occurs in all directions at once , hence You me and everything else is not a pancake.
You are demanding You are correct, and You may or may not be, but.
You are therefore demanding that no other additional or variant information may be included in this thread...only YOUR theory must be discussed.
We are trying to explain that You will be alone inside Your box called Your theory.
Where does mass origonate.
How does it seemingly move and spin.
How does the whole shooting match remain in the cyclic patterns it apparently does??
hobbit
Aether has mass.
Particles of matter are condensations of aether.
Then ban me, lock the thread, or both.So there is the hidden agenda uncovered.
I suggest that those who care lift information that is useful from this post and we all take that and meet else where. Not exactly what the fellow here has in mind but thats the joy of having a mind of your own. You can do the unexpected.
I frankly find very little that I can understand at all. And a whole lot less that I care about... especially when an oversized ego is caught in a repetitive loop.. But the manipulation was interesting to watch occuring.
Linda
Hobbit. You made more sense than any of it.
Linda
This thread should stay, IMO
I would like to see how this mechanism operates.
If aether condenses into mass, there must be a mechanism which decides what mass it is to be.
And we seem to have ignored energy completely :o energy=mass.
Aether=mass, therefore aether=energy also.
Is that what you're saying?
Of course, i can fire up my 'Mr. Fusion' tabletop reactor & turn some mass into energy, but how does the aether respond to this?
Altering the density of aether would alter gravity, would it not?
I have to go, there's a coil that needs tuning..... 8)
Quote from: Linda Brown on July 03, 2012, 06:55:37 PM
Hobbit. You made more sense than any of it.
Linda
Thank You lovely lady.
Gravity seems to trigger a reaction in whatever manner it is debated????
I have spent ever so much time following how the aether is imho observable via dowsing.
A great part of this has entailed observing what happens where huge lumps of mass called megaliths are placed in precise positions where multiple flows around 360 degrees cross each other.
I have had to be able to take apart both that which would occur if the mass wasn't there, and the consequences of the mass been there.
To do that You have to be able to detect what the mass is doing in isolation, as much as is possibe.
Then compare the consequences of the mass been there.
What becomes apparent is that mass is held within it's own special field, and if You cut up the mass each individual field will replicate the origonal, and they will be atuned as self similer fields( radio/antennae?)
The larger the mass the more of a field it has in diameter terms about it, and that field has direction foccused into the centre of the mass, but that focus is similer to the avater I have purposely used upon this forum.
In pure Kozyrev fashion the mass when positioned to perfection where four dominant points meet acts like a sponge absorbing the aether, in a specific spin direction.
The megalithic builders appear to have known how to build up this, and how to utilise the mass positioned in series to further increase the flows down one desired route.
Basically this was to displace the aether flows in a very specific and local direction.
I do not actually therefore fully doubt mpc theory, but.
I have gone on rambling and further identifying the method/s of how all of this operates, and it gets ever more complicated, but fabulous.
I seem to be able to achieve this alone, on My own ( but the aether is alive) and the longer I stay fully atuned with the flows and directly atuned with them the better the transfer of the information the aether carries occurs.
Transmutation across dimensions is constant, and mass doesn't actually exist as a seperate anything, but is held in a type of condensation of the aether within the local memory field that the aether establishs.
The really big eureka moment is when the picture of the solid form of universe appears, and how the resonant dual spin aether flows operate in this solid perfectly packed, and geometrically shaped universe.
The geometry is created by the solid that is far smaller than We can comprehend, but not so small as We cannot think down into it.
White rabbits are sort of present though.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzV51yXLTY0
hobbit
Quote from: PLAYSWITHMACHINES on July 03, 2012, 06:58:23 PM
This thread should stay, IMO
I would like to see how this mechanism operates.
If aether condenses into mass, there must be a mechanism which decides what mass it is to be.
Aether
HAS mass.
Aether condenses into matter.
Quote
And we seem to have ignored energy completely :o energy=mass.
Aether=mass, therefore aether=energy also.
Is that what you're saying?
'Ether and the Theory of Relativity - Albert Einstein'
http://www.tu-harburg.de/rzt/rzt/it/Ether.html
"Since according to our present conceptions the elementary particles of matter are also, in their essence, nothing else than condensations of the electromagnetic field"
The electromagnetic field is a state of aether. Matter is condensations of aether.
'DOES THE INERTIA OF A BODY DEPEND UPON ITS ENERGY-CONTENT?' A. EINSTEIN
http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/E_mc2/e_mc2.pdf
"If a body gives off the energy L in the form of radiation, its mass diminishes by L/c2."
The mass of the body does diminish. However, the matter which no longer exists as part of the body has not vanished; it still exists, as aether. Matter evaporates into aether. As matter evaporates into aether it expands into neighboring places; which is energy. Mass is conserved.
When a nuclear bomb explodes matter evaporates into aether. The evaporation is energy. Mass is conserved.
A change in state of that which has mass is energy.
Quote
Of course, i can fire up my 'Mr. Fusion' tabletop reactor & turn some mass into energy, but how does the aether respond to this?
Altering the density of aether would alter gravity, would it not?
I have to go, there's a coil that needs tuning..... 8)
The aether is, or behaves similar to, a superfluid with properties of a solid, a supersolid, an incompressible fluid.
mpc755,
Oy vey, less of the Einsteins please, He is the main reason we are in the state We are presently.
What if I was to suggest to You that a nuclear so called explosion is in fact an implosion???
All to do with the aether where super rapid implosion of the aether is taken from all in it's path, and the resultant materials in general are defficient in their aether requirement and are taking back in the aether to normalise, and that this is called radiation.
Therefore if Your field is exposed to this defficient materials it will take Your aether, thus You will forget how to be, either locally or overall.
That the super imploded aether will have transmuted into the very dense materials found near the so called explosion , and that these will not be radio active.
The apparent outward movement been caused by the implosion of aether into the transmutation process causing an attraction zone to the materials in it's path.
We are fooled by this seemingly expanding area because We do not understand the dynamics of what is at play.
Cold is where there is more aether...at the poles, heat is less aether ...at the equator.
The sun is transmuting in oppisit method to the planets.
The centre of this planet will not be hot, but be crystaline orientated to the poles.
hobbit
hobbit
Quote from: hobbit on July 03, 2012, 08:11:18 PM
mpc755,
Oy vey, less of the Einsteins please, He is the main reason we are in the state We are presently.
What if I was to suggest to You that a nuclear so called explosion is in fact an implosion???
All to do with the aether where super rapid implosion of the aether is taken from all in it's path, and the resultant materials in general are defficient in their aether requirement and are taking back in the aether to normalise, and that this is called radiation.
Therefore if Your field is exposed to this defficient materials it will take Your aether, thus You will forget how to be, either locally or overall.
That the super imploded aether will have transmuted into the very dense materials found near the so called explosion , and that these will not be radio active.
The apparent outward movement been caused by the implosion of aether into the transmutation process causing an attraction zone to the materials in it's path.
We are fooled by this seemingly expanding area because We do not understand the dynamics of what is at play.
Cold is where there is more aether...at the poles, heat is less aether ...at the equator.
The sun is transmuting in oppisit method to the planets.
The centre of this planet will not be hot, but be crystaline orientated to the poles.
hobbit
hobbit
Aether has mass.
When a nuclear bomb explodes matter evaporates into aether. The evaporation is energy. Mass is conserved.
A change in state of that which has mass is energy.
Lets talk about something else Hobbit. Shall I meet you on another topic somewhere? Linda
Quote from: Linda Brown on July 03, 2012, 08:20:40 PM
Lets talk about something else Hobbit. Shall I meet you on another topic somewhere? Linda
A PM would have been more appropriate.
Quote from: Linda Brown on July 03, 2012, 08:20:40 PM
Lets talk about something else Hobbit. Shall I meet you on another topic somewhere? Linda
I would meet You in another dimension .
I too feel Your frustration, but there must be a way to show mpc We are not fighting his theory, we are trying to assist in its development.
I recieved not very complimentary comments relative to the god einstein, which I won't delve into as it's akin to talking about God, and we know the consequences of hitting that button???
I must admit I am at the end of My tether as far as mass SIMPLY been concentrated aether .
hobbit
Quote from: hobbit on July 03, 2012, 08:29:09 PM
I would meet You in another dimension .
I too feel Your frustration, but there must be a way to show mpc We are not fighting his theory, we are trying to assist in its development.
I recieved not very complimentary comments relative to the god einstein, which I won't delve into as it's akin to talking about God, and we know the consequences of hitting that button???
I must admit I am at the end of My tether as far as mass SIMPLY been concentrated aether .
hobbit
AETHER HAS MASS.
MATTER IS CONDENSED AETHER.Please start your own thread.
Quote from: mpc755 on July 03, 2012, 08:33:44 PM
AETHER HAS MASS.
MATTER IS CONDENSED AETHER.
Please start your own thread.
No!
You are not mein fuhrer....are You????
hobbit
I have a question for you MPC....now that you have well established your point.....And the thread is totally uncontested to be yours... you must now shoulder the responsibility for it, right?
What do you have to say NOW? Shall we move along then? If we nod and say " yes dear"..... then where is this conversation going? No more constant rewinding of the same material. Something new?..... Linda
Quote from: hobbit on July 03, 2012, 08:43:57 PM
No!
You are not mein fuhrer....are You????
hobbit
How does my very first post start?
It's starts with, "Aether has mass".
For posters at this stage to continue to state "mass is condensation of aether" means they are NOT paying attention.
AETHER HAS MASS.
Can we at least acknowledge posters will read the sentence above and realize this means the following?
MATTER IS CONDENSATIONS OF AETHER.
Quote from: Linda Brown on July 03, 2012, 08:45:39 PM
I have a question for you MPC....now that you have well established your point.....And the thread is totally uncontested to be yours... you must now shoulder the responsibility for it, right?
What do you have to say NOW? Shall we move along then? If we nod and say " yes dear"..... then where is this conversation going? No more constant rewinding of the same material. Something new?..... Linda
Something correct.
Aether has mass and physically occupies three dimensional space. Aether is physically displaced by matter. Displaced aether pushes back and exerts inward pressure toward matter.
Displaced aether pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward matter is gravity.
A moving particle has an associated aether displacement wave. In a double slit experiment the particle travels a well defined trajectory which takes it through one slit while the associated aether wave passes through both.
As an antique dealer ...I often buy old 33 rpm records and players of such.
It is annoying how often the needle becomes stuck in one groove, thus the self same information starts repeating over and over again.
It's a shame but I have to trash those records.
hobbit
Quote from: hobbit on July 03, 2012, 08:56:18 PM
As an antique dealer ...I often buy old 33 rpm records and players of such.
It is annoying how often the needle becomes stuck in one groove, thus the self same information starts repeating over and over again.
It's a shame but I have to trash those records.
hobbit
Do you have any records that start with "Aether has mass, MATTER is condensations of aether" and when you hear this do you insist it means mass is condensations of aether?
The record is stuck repeating the same information over and over again because you are unable to understand what is said.
Aether has mass.
Matter is condensations of aether.
Yes, yes we heard you the first time.
I wonder now if the agenda here is simply to draw our attention here and away from another thread that needs attention and is somehow sensitive and needing a draw away????
I am inclined to think that. The old flopping prairie chicken routine. Alot of feathers and no meat......
Course I will be happy to come back here when the needle on all of this finds a fresh groove and moves on. Linda
You tell us then what your meaning of mass and matter is and why it is different???? to you and not to us????? . Linda
Quote from: Linda Brown on July 03, 2012, 09:06:25 PM
You tell us then what your meaning of mass and matter is and why it is different???? to you and not to us????? . Linda
You mean you want me to explain the relationship between mass, matter and aether ... again.
Mass is that which physically occupies three dimensional space.
Aether and matter have mass.
Matter is condensations of aether.
You will have to do better than that. Perhaps in your mind you are explaining yourself but obviously from the reaction of your sort of captive audience here... the information is not getting through and no amount of repeating the same old rhetoric is going to do it. You probably will have to reach down into some sort of creative teaching aid to get there. Mean time/ We wait but go on to other things at the same time. Linda
Quote from: Linda Brown on July 03, 2012, 09:16:38 PM
You will have to do better than that. Perhaps in your mind you are explaining yourself but obviously from the reaction of your sort of captive audience here... the information is not getting through and no amount of repeating the same old rhetoric is going to do it. You probably will have to reach down into some sort of creative teaching aid to get there. Mean time/ We wait but go on to other things at the same time. Linda
If I say, "Aether has mass, matter is condensations of aether" and the response from a poster is to interpret this to mean "mass is condensations of aether" then there is no amount of teaching I can do to get that poster from there to here because what that poster is stating is "mass is condensations of mass" which is nonsense.
Aether and matter are different states of the same material.
Aether and matter have mass.
Matter is condensations of aether.
Either understand the above or not. Doesn't matter to me. I can't make it anymore clear than that.
My hobbit senses tell Me that Zorgons sword is quiverring in it's sheath ????
Hears something perhaps sent by king Aurthur Himself ?
This crop circle is below avalon...liddington castle, I have wandered all over there and followed the main flow that crosses the M4 where this is.
There are two triangles shown one upside down to the other, with a circulation about them.
mpc , I would recommend You look at these triangles with a nod towards how electricity and magnetism result in a consequence called gravity.
http://www.silentcircle.co.uk/liddington010712.html
hobbit
hobbit
Either understand the above or not. Doesn't matter to me. I can't make it anymore clear than that.
Then you have failed here huh? Linda
Quote from: hobbit on July 03, 2012, 09:25:48 PM
My hobbit senses tell Me that Zorgons sword is quiverring in it's sheath ????
Hears something perhaps sent by king Aurthur Himself ?
This crop circle is below avalon...liddington castle, I have wandered all over there and followed the main flow that crosses the M4 where this is.
There are two triangles shown one upside down to the other, with a circulation about them.
mpc , I would recommend You look at these triangles with a nod towards how electricity and magnetism result in a consequence called gravity.
http://www.silentcircle.co.uk/liddington010712.html
hobbit
hobbit
This thread is titled 'Aether DIsplacement'. In aether displacement, displaced aether pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward matter is gravity.
Quote from: Linda Brown on July 03, 2012, 09:29:56 PM
Either understand the above or not. Doesn't matter to me. I can't make it anymore clear than that.
Then you have failed here huh? Linda
Not with the following poster.
Quote from: Linda Brown on June 27, 2012, 08:49:44 AM
Matter and aether have mass.
Matter is condensations of aether.
A change in state of that which has mass is energy.
Three of the most beautiful sentences I have seen in a VERY VERY long time. Linda
mpc,
In a horse racing type analogy.
You looked good in the parade ring, and set off great...fell at first fence.
Any idea what this chap was seeing in His hands???
http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://www.renaissanceastrology.com/images/hermestrismegistus1.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.renaissanceastrology.com/hermestrismegistus.html&h=386&w=300&sz=45&tbnid=FSvhUtE1oFiEFM:&tbnh=91&tbnw=71&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dhermes%2Btrismegistus%26tbm%3Disch%26tbo%3Du&zoom=1&q=hermes+trismegistus&usg=__wHwkpmsP-zA_CkMP6K8AhJDfbag=&docid=dzHKt7i75hTiKM&sa=X&ei=GVnzT93wKKHL0QWupvyvCQ&ved=0CGoQ9QEwAg&dur=1281
Hobbit friends with serpents.
And THAT poster expected you to go further and was just congratulating you on reaching the station that you had reached. She didn't think that you were going to set up permanent camp there with the same old song. Linda
Quote from: Linda Brown on July 03, 2012, 09:51:09 PM
And THAT poster expected you to go further and was just congratulating you on reaching the station that you had reached. She didn't think that you were going to set up permanent camp there with the same old song. Linda
Do you understand the following or don't you? If you do then you will understand how much nonsense it is to say "mass is condensations of aether".
Matter and aether have mass.
Matter is condensations of aether.
A change in state of that which has mass is energy.
If you don't understand the above three sentences and how responding with "mass is condensations of aether" is complete nonsense then please start your own thread.
And I ask myself.... while I am caught up in this conversation.... like the flashing neon light in Charlie Wilsons War..... who is moving a battlewagon into position somewhere else? There is an interesting thought/ Linda
Quote from: Linda Brown on July 03, 2012, 09:58:47 PM
And I ask myself.... while I am caught up in this conversation.... like the flashing neon light in Charlie Wilsons War..... who is moving a battlewagon into position somewhere else? There is an interesting thought/ Linda
Because you know you are being ridiculous. You keep insisting on more and more information when you are unwilling to stop and understand the following and its implications.
Aether has mass and physically occupies three dimensional space. Aether is physically displaced by matter. Displaced aether pushes back and exerts inward pressure toward matter.
Displaced aether pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward matter is gravity.
A moving particle has an associated aether displacement wave. In a double slit experiment the particle travels a well defined trajectory which takes it through one slit while the associated aether wave passes through both.
Quote from: mpc755 on July 03, 2012, 08:16:50 PM
Aether has mass.
When a nuclear bomb explodes matter evaporates into aether. The evaporation is energy. Mass is conserved.
A change in state of that which has mass is energy.
Excuse me...... may I ask a question or two? What is the primary Quantitative dimension of mass?.....-would that be "Proton Mass" as used in the "CGS unit system" If so, the MASS of a proton is measured in grams (
g).
Distance (based on the Planckt Constance of orbit jumps) is identified in centimeters
and Time is identified from the Minkowski equation for ephemeris time.
Velocity (
v) is measured in "cm/sec"?
Which all leads us to Force...... What exactly is the FORCE of the resisting eather, and is it defined as the "dyne" force (gm-cm/sec
2)
In essence, -Could it be defined as resistance to displacement by electromagnetic means..... Are we just witnessing the coulomb force at work on the mass of a proton are we not?
But wait.... Beifeld/Brown force also has an effect on the proton mass through beneficiation the "mass density" of any homogeneous dielectric.
What could that possibly be due to?....... maybe it's an alloy of say 95% Platinum 5% Osmium atomically bonded to a vapour deposit of barium titanate?
plays with machines.... get to work 8) Anonymous
Quote from: Tromprenard on July 03, 2012, 10:08:59 PM
Excuse me...... may I ask a question or two? What is the primary Quantitative dimension of mass?.....-would that be "Proton Mass" as used in the "CGS unit system" If so, the MASS of a proton is measured in grams (g).
Distance (based on the Planckt Constance of orbit jumps) is identified in centimeters
and Time is identified from the Minkowski equation for ephemeris time.
Velocity (v) is measured in "cm/sec"?
Which all leads us to Force...... What exactly is the FORCE of the resisting eather, and is it defined as the "dyne" force (gm-cm/sec2)
In essence, -Could it be defined as resistance to displacement by electromagnetic means..... Are we just witnessing the coulomb force at work on the mass of a proton are we not?
But wait.... Beifeld/Brown force also has an effect on the proton mass through beneficiation the "mass density" of any homogeneous dielectric.
What could that possibly be due to?....... maybe it's an alloy of say 95% Platinum 5% Osmium atomically bonded to a vapour deposit of barium titanate?
plays with machines.... get to work 8) Anonymous
I do not know how aether displacement relates to the bonding of atoms or how aether displacement relates to charged particles beyond the particles physical displacement of the aether.
Maxwell's displacement current is a physical displacement of the aether. I often wonder if particle spins cause a displacement of the aether which results in charged particles.
do not know how aether displacement relates to the bonding of atoms or how aether displacement relates to charged particles.
You don't? Thats interesting.
Linda
Quote from: Linda Brown on July 03, 2012, 10:17:39 PM
do not know how aether displacement relates to the bonding of atoms or how aether displacement relates to charged particles.
You don't? Thats interesting.
Linda
No idea. Haven't had the time to think about it and am not sure I want to.
Tromprenard,
To You sir I award the Legion D,honneur.
To give up one You love ,so that it could have a better life, is the most noble of all that a human can do.
You have the ultimate respect and admiration that this hobbit can give .
bon courage mon brave.
I hope You couldn't repeat all of that post in french also????
hobbit
Quote from: mpc755 on July 03, 2012, 10:15:48 PM
I do not know how aether displacement relates to the bonding of atoms or how aether displacement relates to charged particles beyond the particles physical displacement of the aether.
Maxwell's displacement current is a physical displacement of the aether. I often wonder if particle spins cause a displacement of the aether which results in charged particles.
I say Maxwell describes an Electro-magnetic field and NOT an electrogravitic field.
Youre going in circles quoting classical physics... I just wanted to know about your definition of the word MASS.... it is measure as a primary unit what is THAT primary unit if not a single proton mass.? Study the fundamentals first....What if Newton was off just a bit because
G is NOT constant... Look at the moon!
Raymond
Quote from: Tromprenard on July 03, 2012, 11:04:29 PM
I say Maxwell describes an Electro-magnetic field and NOT an electrogravitic field.
Youre going in circles quoting classical physics... I just wanted to know about your definition of the word MASS.... it is measure as a primary unit what is THAT primary unit if not a single proton mass.? Study the fundamentals first....What if Newton was off just a bit because G is NOT constant... Look at the moon!
Raymond
Mass is that which physically occupies three dimensional space. Aether and matter have mass.
Aether is displaced by matter. Gravity is the force associated with the displaced aether pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward the matter.
Mass is not a measure of G. Matter displacing aether and the force the displaced aether exerts toward the matter is G.
The Earth consists of more particles of matter than the Moon. The particles of matter the Earth consists of displace more aether than the particles of matter the Moon consists of. The force associated with the aether displaced by the Earth exerting inward pressure toward the Earth is greater than the force associated with the aether displaced by the Moon exerting inward pressure toward the Moon. That is why
G is NOT constant.
Quote from: mpc755 on July 03, 2012, 11:24:02 PM
Mass is that which physically occupies three dimensional space (as defined by Euclid, or Reimann?)(snip) ....The force associated with the aether displaced by the Earth exerting inward pressure toward the Earth is greater than the force associated with the aether displaced by the Moon exerting inward pressure toward the Moon. That is why G is NOT constant.
Yes...yes.... yess it's the FORCE...What "unit" are you using to define the primary unit of force?
Be specific and get to the facts.
Raymond
a tilt of the hat because i am toujours pret mon ami navigator...
raymond
Quote from: Tromprenard on July 03, 2012, 11:48:30 PM
Yes...yes.... yess it's the FORCE...What "unit" are you using to define the primary unit of force?
Be specific and get to the facts.
Raymond
Yes...yes...yes it's the FORCE associated with the displaced aether pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward the matter.
Pick whatever unit you want. I am explaining to you what occurs physically in nature to cause gravity.
You have a Jupiter made of lead and the gaseous giant Jupiter in our solar system. Both of their diameters are the same. The lead Jupiter contains more particles of matter than does the gaseous giant Jupiter. The lead Jupiter contains less aether than does the gaseous giant Jupiter. The lead Jupiter displaces more aether than does the gaseous giant Jupiter. There is more displaced aether pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward the lead Jupiter than there is pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward the gaseous giant Jupiter. There is more force associated with the displaced aether pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward the lead Jupiter than there is associated with the displaced aether pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward the gaseous Jupiter.
Wow, Mpc, I sat back today and gave you a shot at explaining, or even making a new point to validate your "theory" but its the same old song and dance...even after Tromprenard gave you the answer!
Gravity is so out of reach for understanding in this realm of effort, its pushing back on my brain!
Some extra reading should be on your plate, before making anymore copy and paste statements, and can I suggest Dr Seuss?
"I like nonsense, it wakes up the brain cells. Fantasy is a necessary ingredient in living, It's a way of looking at life through the wrong end of a telescope. Which is what I do, And that enables you to laugh at life's realities."
Cheers!
Littleenki
Cheers!
Littleenki
Cheers!
Littleenki
etc etc...:D
mpc755,
Are you ready to give up yet? If not, then consider what Tromprenard is saying. He is asking if you have any equations developed. If so, what are the units that define the variables.
As for anyone else, I am not sure if hubris or ignorance or just plain arrogance reigns, not that you appear to be lacking on that last one.
Can YOU answer the first sentence?
Mikado
Quote from: Mikado on July 04, 2012, 04:57:14 AM
mpc755,
Are you ready to give up yet? If not, then consider what Tromprenard is saying. He is asking if you have any equations developed. If so, what are the units that define the variables.
As for anyone else, I am not sure if hubris or ignorance or just plain arrogance reigns, not that you appear to be lacking on that last one.
Can YOU answer the first sentence?
Mikado
And what I have been saying for 24 pages now is the calculations already exist in general relativity.
Curved spacetime is displaced aether.
What Einstein describes as the state of the aether as determined by its connections with the matter and the state of the aether in neighboring places I have determined is the state of displacement of the aether.
I am not sure if hubris or ignorance or just plain arrogance reigns, not that you appear to be lacking on that second one.
Can YOU understand the first sentence?
Quote from: Littleenki on July 04, 2012, 04:15:23 AMGravity is so out of reach for understanding in this realm of effort, its pushing back on my brain!
Displaced aether pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward matter is gravity.
You choose to remain ignorant of understanding this.
Quote from: mpc755 on July 04, 2012, 12:55:20 PM
Can YOU understand the first sentence?
Yes, I CAN. You said:
Matter and aether have mass.
Matter is condensations of aether.
A change in state of that which has mass is energy.
added:
Energy added to mass will affect it's interaction with the aether.
The more the mass the less the energy needed
The less the mass the greater the energy needed
Results from experimentation....I get you...you just have to learn to converse better.
Mikado
Quote from: Mikado on July 04, 2012, 03:08:31 PM
Yes, I CAN. You said:
Matter and aether have mass.
Matter is condensations of aether.
A change in state of that which has mass is energy.
added:
Energy added to mass will affect it's interaction with the aether.
The more the mass the less the energy needed
The less the mass the greater the energy needed
Results from experimentation....I get you...you just have to learn to converse better.
Mikado
When someone shows up on the 23rd page and asks for units, equations and calculations when I have been stating since page one that what I have figured out is the state of the aether of GENERAL RELATIVITY then I do not have to converse better. When a poster shows up on the 23rd page without making the effort to understand what I have done is figured out the pseudo-force of curved space is the actual force of the displaced aether then I do not have to converse better. When a poster shows up on the 23rd page without making any effort to understand what is being discussed and tells me to "Be specific and get to the facts" then I do not have to converse better.
Do you get that?
The faster an object moves with respect to the state of the aether in which the object exists the more aether the object displaces. Relativistic mass is the mass of the object and the mass of the displaced aether connected to and neighboring the object.
Quote from: mpc755 on July 04, 2012, 01:02:47 PM
Displaced aether pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward matter is gravity.
You choose to remain ignorant of understanding this.
If it were then large objects would experience friction in deep space.... They do not.
Quote from: Pimander on July 04, 2012, 03:46:45 PM
If it were then large objects would experience friction in deep space.... They do not.
Seriously? We are on the 23rd page of this topic and you are just now getting around to bringing up friction?
Objects interaction with superfluids and supersolids are by definition frictionless. That does not mean there is no interaction.
You are in a bowling alley. The lane is made of a supersolid dense enough to support the bowling ball. The building is filled with a superfluid. You bowl the bowling ball. The bowling ball displaces the superfluid as it rolls along on top of the supersolid. The bowling ball never stops.
Quote from: mpc755 on July 04, 2012, 03:40:45 PM
When someone shows up on the 23rd page and asks for units, equations and calculations when I have been stating since page one that what I have figured out is the state of the aether of GENERAL RELATIVITY then I do not have to converse better. When a poster shows up on the 23rd page without making the effort to understand what I have done is figured out the pseudo-force of curved space is the actual force of the displaced aether then I do not have to converse better. When a poster shows up on the 23rd page without making any effort to understand what is being discussed and tells me to "Be specific and get to the facts" then I do not have to converse better.
Do you get that?
The faster an object moves with respect to the state of the aether in which the object exists the more aether the object displaces. Relativistic mass is the mass of the object and the mass associated with the state of displacement of the aether connected to and neighboring the object.
How about this scenario...maybe the poster who showed up on the 23rd page just saw the thread? Maybe they were not online to respond? How about this, the thread was started on June 23rd by you. The person who asked you the question has medical issues at times. Perhaps that is the delay. Why do you assume?
Why can't you just answer his question? What are the units of Force? Simple enough really unless of course all you wish to do is repeat yourself.
How about this. What if you had the intestinal fortitude to write a paper with your results and then you were published. Now what if you were asked to speak to a select group. Now what if a person in the audience asked you a question, would you answer them or would you simply tell them to read your paper or would it be somewhere in between?
I am a person who has been characterized as being vinegar to catch flies, frankly, I don't give a darn but there comes a time when I can get frustrated as well for I find myself repeating because individuals just don't get it but I endeavour.
Is it too much to humour and answer?
Mikado
It does look like 24 pages or Push Pull debating.
IMHO:Things are in motion for a reason, they are being pulled. If they were in constant push mode they should stand still and not move. Deuem
Quote from: Pimander on July 04, 2012, 03:46:45 PM
If it were then large objects would experience friction in deep space.... They do not.
The inward pressure and the outward pressure are equal. If not, the matter would dissolve back into the aether.
Mikado
Quote from: Mikado on July 04, 2012, 03:51:54 PMWhy can't you just answer his question? What are the units of Force? Simple enough really unless of course all you wish to do is repeat yourself.
Why can't you understand this answer? The units of force already exist in general relativity. Simple enough really unless of course all you wish to do is repeat yourself.
Is it too much to humor and understand?
I know that what you are saying. However, maybe the person wants to see if YOU know the answer.
Quote from: mpc755 on July 04, 2012, 03:55:01 PM
Why can't you understand this answer? The units of force already exist in general relativity. Simple enough really unless of course all you wish to do is repeat yourself.
And if you were to read a bit better, I DID NOT ask you about the units.
Not too terribly observant, are you?
As to repeating, well, others are observant.
If someone felt endeavorous, they could go through your 24 page post and probably reduce it by 90%. It is so very repetitious.
I suppose in your world there is no room for clarification of your statements.
Mikado
Quote from: Mikado on July 04, 2012, 04:01:47 PM
I know that what you are saying. However, maybe the person wants to see if YOU know the answer.
And if you were to read a bit better, I DID NOT ask you about the units.
Not too terribly observant, are you?
As to repeating, well, others are observant.
If someone felt endeavorous, they could go through your 24 page post and probably reduce it by 90%. It is so very repetitious.
I suppose in your world there is no room for clarification of your statements.
Mikado
It is so repetitious because posters like yourself can't even remember what they just posted.
Quote from: Mikado on July 04, 2012, 03:51:54 PMWhy can't you just answer his question? What are the units of Force? Simple enough really unless of course all you wish to do is repeat yourself.
"What are the units of Force?"
IS asking about the units.
The units which exist in GENERAL RELATIVITY.
The theory which I figured out the state of the aether as determined by its connections with the matter and the state of the aether in neighboring places is the state of displacement of the aether.
Quote from: mpc755 on July 04, 2012, 04:06:17 PM
It is so repetitious because posters like yourself can't even remember what they just posted.
"What are the units of Force?" IS asking about the units.
The units which exist in GENERAL RELATIVITY.
The theory which I figured out the state of the aether as determined by its connections with the matter and the state of the aether in neighboring places is the state of displacement of the aether.
Here we go again.
Perhaps the poster is asking for you to state the units to showcase to the readers that you know what you are talking about. What you have been doing is to use others works as reference and the foundation of what you are saying.
Perhaps that is all your capabilities are. The compilation of others work to fit in with your gifted insight. Perhaps you lack the ability to go to the next step and that would be the application of the theory, ever hear of applied science?
Perhaps you have spent your load and you powder bag is empty.
It is a shame really for you have a very good theory that fits with Dr Brown's work, it would explain the "departure from Coulomb's". However, when you cease being the center of your universe, I am sure others will enjoy "discussing" it and not being "told" it. That characteristic probably has given you great opportunities elsewhere but it won't here with me.
That is how I see this and you can have the last dig (post), I will not give you anymore of my time.
Best to you and yours,
Mikado
Quote from: Mikado on July 04, 2012, 04:22:51 PM
Here we go again.
Perhaps the poster is asking for you to state the units to showcase to the readers that you know what you are talking about. What you have been doing is to use others works as reference and the foundation of what you are saying.
Perhaps that is all your capabilities are. The compilation of others work to fit in with your gifted insight. Perhaps you lack the ability to go to the next step and that would be the application of the theory, ever hear of applied science?
Perhaps you have spent your load and you powder bag is empty.
It is a shame really for you have a very good theory that fits with Dr Brown's work, it would explain the "departure from Coulomb's". However, when you cease being the center of your universe, I am sure others will enjoy "discussing" it and not being "told" it. That characteristic probably has given you great opportunities elsewhere but it won't here with me.
That is how I see this and you can have the last dig (post), I will not give you anymore of my time.
Best to you and yours,
Mikado
What I have done is figured out what Einstein referred to as the state of the aether as determined by its connections with the matter and the state of the aether in neighboring places as described in general relativity.
"According to the general theory of relativity space without ether is unthinkable" - Albert Einstein
The state of the aether as determined by its connections with the matter and the state of the aether in neighboring places is the state of displacement of the aether.
What Einstein referred to as curved spacetime physically exists in nature as displaced aether.
What I have done is figured out the pseudo-force of curved spacetime physically exists in nature as the force of the displaced aether.
Now, it would seem to me that you should ask yourself why you insist on not understanding this.
Quote from: mpc755 on July 04, 2012, 03:51:02 PM
Seriously? We are on the 23rd page of this topic and you are just now getting around to bringing up friction?
I know exactly what a superfluid is. ::) You either have a very serious communication problem or you are trolling. Get a grip and stop being rude. I am trying to put a different angle on this. If you're right you protest too much methinks. :P
Quote from: mpc755 on July 04, 2012, 03:51:02 PM
Objects interaction with superfluids and supersolids are by definition frictionless. That does not mean there is no interaction.
An interaction that involves "pushing back" would also effect a body in motion.... If the ether has structure and position and "pushes back" you would have friction if the object moves.
All you are doing is saying is
SOMETHING is pushing back therefore it is ether. I could just say something is pulling in and therefore it must be the matter.....
It doesn't mean anything either way...... you still don't know why it happens - that is why is is still a mystery specifically WHY the Universe is the way it is.Why can't some of you grasp that essential little Salmon of Knowledge. That Great Mystery?
Be the wise bear..wait for that salmon..wait for it!
Le
Quote from: Pimander on July 04, 2012, 05:28:58 PM
I know exactly what a superfluid is. ::)
No, you don't.
Quote
You either have a very serious communication problem or you are trolling. Get a grip and stop being rude. I am trying to put a different angle on this. If you're right you protest too much methinks. :P
An interaction that involves "pushing back" would also effect a body in motion.... If the ether has structure and position and "pushes back" you would have friction if the object moves.
BY DEFINITION an objects interaction with a superfluid or a supersolid is FRICTIONLESS.
Quote
All you are doing is saying is SOMETHING is pushing back therefore it is ether. I could just say something is pulling in and therefore it must be the matter..... It doesn't mean anything either way......
You have one of two choices. You insist the bowling ball in the following analogy slows down because of friction which means you do not understand what a superfluid or a supersolid is or you understand the bowling ball displaces the superfluid, there is no friction in the interaction of the bowling ball and the superfluid and supersolid, and the bowling ball rolls forever.
You are in a bowling alley. The lane is made of a supersolid dense enough to support the bowling ball. The building is filled with a superfluid. You bowl the bowling ball. The bowling ball displaces the superfluid as it rolls along on top of the supersolid. The bowling ball never stops.
The energy the bowling ball requires to displace the superfluid is returned to the bowling ball as the superfluid 'displaces back'.
Quoteyou still don't know why it happens - that is why is is still a mystery specifically WHY the Universe is the way it is.[/size]
What occurs physically in nature to cause gravity and the observed behaviors in a double slit experiment may still be a mystery to you. It isn't to me.
Aether has mass and physically occupies three dimensional space. Aether is physically displaced by matter. Displaced aether pushes back and exerts inward pressure toward matter.
Displaced aether pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward matter is gravity.
A moving particle has an associated aether displacement wave. In a double slit experiment the particle travels a well defined trajectory which takes it through one slit while the associated aether wave passes through both.
MPC you say 'Aether has mass'
Then you say 'Aether condenses into mass'
Then you say 'Aether pushes against mass'
It can't be all three.....
I'm outta here 8)
Quote from: PLAYSWITHMACHINES on July 04, 2012, 08:19:39 PM
MPC you say 'Aether has mass'
Then you say 'Aether condenses into mass'
Then you say 'Aether pushes against mass'
It can't be all three.....
I'm outta here 8)
I never said any such thing.
I have ALWAYS said, 'Aether condenses into matter'.
I have ALWAYS said, 'Aether pushes against matter'.
Quote from: PLAYSWITHMACHINES on July 04, 2012, 08:19:39 PM
MPC you say 'Aether has mass'
Then you say 'Aether condenses into mass'
Then you say 'Aether pushes against mass'
It can't be all three.....
I'm outta here 8)
Come on over Luke, Ive got boxes of federals left! Fireworks, woohoo!
See ya in the special area...... 8)
Cheers, Le
Quote from: Littleenki on July 04, 2012, 09:10:59 PM
Come on over Luke, Ive got boxes of federals left! Fireworks, woohoo!
See ya in the special area...... 8)
Cheers, Le
Since the very beginning of this thread I have ALWAYS said aether has mass and MATTER is condensations of aether.
I know this is pointless since it appears no one on this tread besides myself is able to actual read and understand what is posted.
Aether and matter are different states of the same material.
Aether and matter have mass.
'Ether and the Theory of Relativity - Albert Einstein'
http://www.tu-harburg.de/rzt/rzt/it/Ether.html
"Since according to our present conceptions the elementary particles of matter are also, in their essence, nothing else than condensations of the electromagnetic field"
The electromagnetic field is a state of aether. MATTER is condensations of aether.
'DOES THE INERTIA OF A BODY DEPEND UPON ITS ENERGY-CONTENT?' A. EINSTEIN
http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/E_mc2/e_mc2.pdf
"If a body gives off the energy L in the form of radiation, its mass diminishes by L/c2."
The mass of the body does diminish. However, the MATTER which no longer exists as part of the body has not vanished; it still exists, as aether. MATTER evaporates into aether. As MATTER evaporates into aether it expands into neighboring places; which is energy. Mass is conserved.
When a nuclear bomb explodes MATTER evaporates into aether. The evaporation is energy. Mass is conserved.
Quote from: mpc755 on July 04, 2012, 09:24:13 PM
Since the very beginning of this thread I have ALWAYS said aether has mass and MATTER is condensations of aether.(snip) Mass is conserved.
OK..... I Understand.. What makes you think I had not read the whole thread......Did you bother pasting the math of your definitions?.... No!
And so I repeat the question...........Now What is the Unit of Mass? You are saying the word MASS...Are you not?.... What is the unit of mass?
As for "butting-in with questions" Everything I say here is tied directly to my face and my image... I don't use Pseudo-anonymous code names, nor do I use or believe in your word "Pseudo-force"unless you can explain the first order logic and your complete theory to explain the word "Force".
I will question and poke holes in everything you say so that you can correctly identify your dimensional fundamentals
Do you understand EPR Paradox and Einstein's last work before he died?.
If you think you have something NEW then Show us your face and be proud of your work... don't argue AROUND the point... get to it.... :P
Just a suggestion by the trickfox.
I think I'm beginning to like MPC755...he thinks alot about the problem so it's a sure thing he is an asset to this forum.
Raymond
Quote from: Tromprenard on July 04, 2012, 10:52:13 PM
OK..... I Understand.. What makes you think I had not read the whole thread.
General relativity is an aether theory.
"According to the general theory of relativity space without ether is unthinkable" - Albert Einstein
Einstein defined the interaction of aether and matter as follows.
'Ether and the Theory of Relativity by Albert Einstein'
http://www-groups.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~history/Extras/Einstein_ether.html
"the state of the [ether] is at every place determined by connections with the matter and the state of the ether in neighbouring places, ... disregarding the causes which condition its state."
Einstein stated he was '"disregarding the causes which condition" the state of the aether because he was unable to figure out what conditions the state of the aether.
That's what I figured out. I figured out what causes the condition of the state of the aether.
The cause which conditions the state of the aether as determined by its connections with the matter and the state of the aether in neighboring places is its displacement by matter.
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.....Did you bother pasting the math of your definitions?.... No!
The math of general relativity still applies.
It is the role aether plays in general relativity which I figured out.
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And so I repeat the question...........Now What is the Unit of Mass? You are saying the word MASS...Are you not?.... What is the unit of mass?
And so I repeat my answer.........it's whatever the unit of mass is in general relativity when referring to particles of matter.
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As for "butting-in with questions" Everything I say here is tied directly to my face and my image... I don't use Pseudo-anonymous code names, nor do I use or believe in your word "Pseudo-force"unless you can explain the first order logic and your complete theory to explain the word "Force".
Gravity is a "pseudo-force" in general relativity because gravity is defined as the curvature of spacetime. Defining gravity as the curvature of spacetime is a geometrical definition of gravity. Defining gravity as caused by curved spacetime does not represent what is occurring physically in nature to cause gravity.
Curved spacetime is displaced aether.
Displaced aether pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward matter IS gravity.
I am defining gravity as an actual force.
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I will question and poke holes in everything you say so that you can correctly identify your dimensional fundamentals
Great, ask all the questions you want. However, we are not going to make any progress until you realize what I have done is figured out what causes the condition of the state of the aether of general relativity. We are not going to make any progress until you realize I have figured out the role aether plays in general relativity.
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Do you understand EPR Paradox and Einstein's last work before he died?.
Einstein believed in hidden-variables. There are no such things as hidden-variables. When a downconverted photon pair are created they are created with exact opposite polarizations. Downconverted photon pairs are always detected with opposite spins because they are propagating with exact opposite angular momentums.
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If you think you have something NEW then Show us your face and be proud of your work... don't argue AROUND the point... get to it.... :P
The point is what I have figured out is the role aether plays in general relativity.
It is the same role the aether plays in de Broglie's wave mechanics/pilot-wave theory.
Einstein's gravitational wave is de Broglie's pilot-wave.
They are both aether displacement waves.
QuoteThe point is what I have figured out is the role aether plays in general relativity.
Ok, well I'm looking forward to your published and peer reviewed journal of this monumental feat.... Hundreds of Laboratories have spend BILLIONS of dollars trying to do what you claimed to have accomplish. You are a brilliant star if you are correct, and I hope some day someone won't say ,....so who was that mpc-guy anyhow? ???
Raymond
Whisper words of wisdom...Let it be.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdMBdYVWvKw
Quote from: hobbit on July 05, 2012, 08:48:18 AM
Whisper words of wisdom...Let it be.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdMBdYVWvKw
"There will be an answer..."
There is an answer.
Aether is physically displaced by matter.
'Giant dark matter bridge between galaxy clusters discovered'
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/48073143/ns/technology_and_science-space/
"A giant string of invisible dark matter has been discovered across the universe between a pair of galaxy clusters."
'It' exists between galaxy clusters because it is the aether.
More evidence there is no such thing as non-baryonic dark matter traveling with matter. Matter moves through and displaces the aether.
Quote from: Tromprenard on July 05, 2012, 02:09:49 AM
Ok, well I'm looking forward to your published and peer reviewed journal of this monumental feat.... Hundreds of Laboratories have spend BILLIONS of dollars trying to do what you claimed to have accomplish. You are a brilliant star if you are correct, and I hope some day someone won't say ,....so who was that mpc-guy anyhow? ???
Raymond
Greetings Brother Raymond:
So glad to see you here and help this
'mpc-guy' attempt to understand what the rest of us have been saying for many, many, many pages.
Have some gold!
(http://i1073.photobucket.com/albums/w400/thorfourwinds/NumismaticGoldCoins.png)
The circular 'logic' that this entity espouses is beginning to get a bit old, to say the least.
Interesting to note how it sidesteps the 'real' questions here and continues to post other people's work/theories/opinions to attempt to validate 'what I have figured out...'
This statement exemplifies the complete lack of understanding by
mpc of what everyone else in this thread is talking about:
QuoteWe are not going to make any progress until you realize I have figured out the role aether plays in general relativity.
So it's still 'your way or the highway' still, eh what? :o
Peace Love Light
tfw
Liberty & Equality or Revolution
Quote from: thorfourwinds on July 05, 2012, 02:23:14 PM
Greetings Brother Raymond:
So glad to see you here and help this 'mpc-guy' attempt to understand what the rest of us have been saying for many, many, many pages.
Have some gold!
(http://i1073.photobucket.com/albums/w400/thorfourwinds/NumismaticGoldCoins.png)
The circular 'logic' that this entity espouses is beginning to get a bit old, to say the least.
Interesting to note how it sidesteps the 'real' questions here and continues to post other people's work/theories/opinions to attempt to validate 'what I have figured out...'
This statement exemplifies the complete lack of understanding by mpc of what everyone else in this thread is talking about:
So it's still 'your way or the highway' still, eh what? :o
Peace Love Light
tfw
Liberty & Equality or Revolution
I was being asked what the units and calculations associated with aether displacement are.
I have figured out the role aether plays in general relativity.
I have figured out the role aether plays in wave mechanics/pilot-wave theory.
If a poster was unable to understand the units and calculations already exist in general relativity and wave mechanics/pilot-wave theory then the conversation would not have progressed.
So, my response was appropriate.
Sorry for cutting in,
But know that you have figured this all out, what are you going to do with it?
What are your goals if you don't mind me asking?
Deuem
Quote from: mpc755 on July 04, 2012, 07:38:19 PM
No, you don't. [know whata superfluid is]
BY DEFINITION an objects interaction with a superfluid or a supersolid is FRICTIONLESS.
And therefore by definition cannot "push back" on anything as it would flow around it.
Good luck in your quest to understand gravity. You aren't there yet.
AS A MEMEBER OF THE PEGASUS TEAM: Learn to be civil and respectful of other memebrs or your stay here will be
VERY short. Don't say you weren't warned.
Quote from: deuem on July 05, 2012, 03:43:42 PM
Sorry for cutting in,
But know that you have figured this all out, what are you going to do with it?
What are your goals if you don't mind me asking?
Deuem
I figured out gravity so I could get on a late night talk show and say to an audience automate the highways.
Quote from: Pimander on July 05, 2012, 05:05:56 PM
And therefore by definition cannot "push back" on anything as it would flow around it.
Good luck in your quest to understand gravity. You aren't there yet.
AS A MEMEBER OF THE PEGASUS TEAM: Learn to be civil and respectful of other memebrs or your stay here will be VERY short. Don't say you weren't warned.
You are bowling in a bowling alley where the alley is made of a supersolid and the building is filled with a superfluid. What happens to the superfluid in front of the bowling ball? It is displaced.
Quote from: mpc755 on July 05, 2012, 05:21:04 PM
You are bowling in a bowling alley where the alley is made of a supersolid and the building is filled with a superfluid. What happens to the superfluid in front of the bowling ball? It is displaced.
Which is the ether, the alley or the medium filling the building?
Quote from: Pimander on July 05, 2012, 05:25:27 PM
Which is the ether, the alley or the medium filling the building?
The whole building could be filled with a supersolid the bowling ball rolls through but I thought that would be too confusing an analogy so I have the bowling ball rolling through the superfluid. The superfluid is playing the roll of the aether in the analogy.
As the bowling ball rolls down the lane there is a superfluid in its path. The bowling ball displaces the superfluid. The bowling ball pushes the superfluid out of the way as it rolls along. As the superfluid fills-in where the bowling ball had been it pushes the bowling ball along its path. There is pushing between the bowling ball and the superfluid. There is no loss of energy in the interaction. Hence, the frictionless nature of superfluid and supersolids.
Quote from: mpc755 on July 05, 2012, 05:17:40 PM
I figured out gravity so I could get on a late night talk show and say to an audience automate the highways.
Mr mpc755, Obviously you don't know me very well, That was a real question. I like to ask questions that would be for the benefit of mankind and maybe yourself. I really don't think your answer was on the up and up! A little joke maybe! I see many frustrated people bring up new ideas with no motive other that they can do it. Ok there are a lot of things people can do. Einstein also invented a refrigerator that no one bought so it ended up useless. If you have a new idea, I ask again. Nicely, What do you want to do with it? What is your end game to help the rest of humanity take a step forward? Thanks.
Quote from: deuem on July 05, 2012, 05:56:58 PM
Mr mpc755, Obviously you don't know me very well, That was a real question. I like to ask questions that would be for the benefit of mankind and maybe yourself. I really don't think your answer was on the up and up! A little joke maybe! I see many frustrated people bring up new ideas with no motive other that they can do it. Ok there are a lot of things people can do. Einstein also invented a refrigerator that no one bought so it ended up useless. If you have a new idea, I ask again. Nicely, What do you want to do with it? What is your end game to help the rest of humanity take a step forward? Thanks.
My answer was legitimate. If we automate the highways it will create hundreds of thousands if not millions of jobs. It will reduce our (U.S.) dependence on foreign oil. It will reduce green house gas emissions. It will make us more productive. It will reduce the stress in our lives.
Quote from: mpc755 on July 05, 2012, 05:40:14 PM
The whole building could be filled with a supersolid the bowling ball rolls through but I thought that would be too confusing an analogy so I have the bowling ball rolling through the superfluid.
Yep,because you're just so much more intelligent than I am. It couldn't be that I am not confused and know where you are coming from already. ::)
Quote from: mpc755 on July 05, 2012, 05:40:14 PMThe superfluid is playing the roll of the aether in the analogy.
Great- the ether is a superfluid and not a solid!
Quote from: mpc755 on July 05, 2012, 05:40:14 PMAs the bowling ball rolls down the lane there is a superfluid in its path. The bowling ball displaces the superfluid. The bowling ball pushes the superfluid out of the way as it rolls along. As the superfluid fills-in where the bowling ball had been it pushes the bowling ball along its path. There is pushing between the bowling ball and the superfluid. There is no loss of energy in the interaction. Hence, the frictionless nature of superfluid and supersolids.
Yes I know. The superfluid will not effect the bowling ball (matter). A superfluid cannot slow down the ball because it HAS NO FRICTION AND IS NOT CAPABLE OF EXERTING A FORCE ON OTHER MATTER IN MOTION BY DEFINITION.
Can you not see that we can't know whether the ether is what we observe causing gravity? It might be something else, we just don't know. Justsaying it is the ether does not prove that it is.
By the same token, we cannot take how electromagnetism is propogated through space as evidence that the ether is a supersolid because we do not know how electromagnetism is propagated. It remains a mystery.
Mysterious FORCES, in fact MERCURIAL forces are at work. We can't nail them down.
http://www.psychopropulseur.com/cgs3.jpg
Quote from: Pimander on July 05, 2012, 06:40:32 PM
Yep,because you're just so much more intelligent than I am. It couldn't be that I am not confused and know where you are coming from already. ::)
Great- the ether is a superfluid and not a solid!
The aether is, or behaves similar to, a superfluid with properties of a solid; a supersolid.
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Yes I know. The superfluid will not effect the bowling ball (matter). A superfluid cannot slow down the ball because it HAS NO FRICTION AND IS NOT CAPABLE OF EXERTING A FORCE ON OTHER MATTER IN MOTION BY DEFINITION.
You are unable to understand the difference between a superfluid/supersolid exerting pressure toward an object and friction.
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Can you not see that we can't know whether the ether is what we observe causing gravity? It might be something else, we just don't know. Justsaying it is the ether does not prove that it is.
By the same token, we cannot take how electromagnetism is propogated through space as evidence that the ether is a supersolid because we do not know how electromagnetism is propagated. It remains a mystery.
Mysterious FORCES, in fact MERCURIAL forces are at work. We can't nail them down.
'NASA's Voyager Hits New Region at Solar System Edge'
http://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2011/dec/HQ_11-402_AGU_Voyager.html
"Voyager is showing that what is outside is pushing back. ... Like cars piling up at a clogged freeway off-ramp, the increased intensity of the magnetic field shows that inward pressure from interstellar space is compacting it."
It is the aether which is displaced by the matter the solar system consists of which is pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward the solar system.
'Offset between dark matter and ordinary matter: evidence from a sample of 38 lensing clusters of galaxies'
http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/1004/1004.1475v1.pdf
"Our data strongly support the idea that the gravitational potential in clusters is mainly due to a non-baryonic fluid, and any exotic field in gravitational theory must resemble that of CDM fields very closely."
The offset is due to the galaxy clusters moving through the aether. The analogy is a submarine moving through the water. You are under water. Two miles away from you are many lights. Moving between you and the lights one mile away is a submarine. The submarine displaces the water. The state of displacement of the water causes the center of the lensing of the light propagating through the water to be offset from the center of the submarine itself. The offset between the center of the lensing of the light propagating through the water displaced by the submarine and the center of the submarine itself is going to remain the same as the submarine moves through the water. The submarine continually displaces different regions of the water. The state of the water connected to and neighboring the submarine remains the same as the submarine moves through the water even though it is not the same water the submarine continually displaces. This is what is occurring physically in nature as the galaxy clusters move through the aether.
'Surprise! IBEX Finds No Bow 'Shock' Outside our Solar System'
http://www.universetoday.com/95094/surprise-ibex-finds-no-bow-shock-outside-our-solar-system/
'"While bow shocks certainly exist ahead of many other stars, we're finding that our Sun's interaction doesn't reach the critical threshold to form a shock," said Dr. David McComas, principal investigator of the IBEX mission, "so a wave is a more accurate depiction of what's happening ahead of our heliosphere — much like the wave made by the bow of a boat as it glides through the water."'
The wave ahead of our heliosphere is an aether displacement wave. This is evidence of a moving 'particle', the solar system, having an associated aether wave.
'Hubble Finds Ghostly Ring of Dark Matter'
http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/hubble/news/dark_matter_ring_feature.html
"Astronomers using NASA's Hubble Space Telescope got a first-hand view of how dark matter behaves during a titanic collision between two galaxy clusters. The wreck created a ripple of dark mater, which is somewhat similar to a ripple formed in a pond when a rock hits the water."
The 'pond' consists of aether. The moving 'particles' are the galaxy clusters. The ripple is an aether displacement wave. The ripple is a gravitational wave. This is also evidence of a moving 'particle', the galaxy clusters, having an associated aether wave.
'Giant black hole kicked out of home galaxy'
http://www.astronomy.com/en/News-Observing/News/2012/06/Giant%20black%20hole%20kicked%20out%20of%20home%20galaxy.aspx
"But these new data support the idea that gravitational waves — ripples in the fabric of space first predicted by Albert Einstein but never detected directly — can exert an extremely powerful force."
The fabric of space is the aether.
Gravitational waves are ripples in the aether.
What ripples when galaxy clusters collide is what waves in a double slit experiment; the aether.
Einstein's gravitational wave is de Broglie's pilot-wave.
They are both aether displacement waves.
Quote from: Tromprenard on July 05, 2012, 09:07:15 PM
http://www.psychopropulseur.com/cgs3.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathematics_of_general_relativity
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metric_tensor_%28general_relativity%29
'Interpretation of quantum mechanics by the double solution theory - Louis de BROGLIE'
http://aflb.ensmp.fr/AFLB-classiques/aflb124p001.pdf
Quote from: mpc755 on July 05, 2012, 09:09:01 PM
The aether is, or behaves similar to, a superfluid with properties of a solid; a supersolid.
You are unable to understand the difference between a superfluid/supersolid exerting pressure toward an object and friction.
'NASA's Voyager Hits New Region at Solar System Edge'
http://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2011/dec/HQ_11-402_AGU_Voyager.html
"Voyager is showing that what is outside is pushing back. ... Like cars piling up at a clogged freeway off-ramp, the increased intensity of the magnetic field shows that inward pressure from interstellar space is compacting it."
It is the aether which is displaced by the matter the solar system consists of which is pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward the solar system.
'Offset between dark matter and ordinary matter: evidence from a sample of 38 lensing clusters of galaxies'
http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/1004/1004.1475v1.pdf
"Our data strongly support the idea that the gravitational potential in clusters is mainly due to a non-baryonic fluid, and any exotic field in gravitational theory must resemble that of CDM fields very closely."
The offset is due to the galaxy clusters moving through the aether. The analogy is a submarine moving through the water. You are under water. Two miles away from you are many lights. Moving between you and the lights one mile away is a submarine. The submarine displaces the water. The state of displacement of the water causes the center of the lensing of the light propagating through the water to be offset from the center of the submarine itself. The offset between the center of the lensing of the light propagating through the water displaced by the submarine and the center of the submarine itself is going to remain the same as the submarine moves through the water. The submarine continually displaces different regions of the water. The state of the water connected to and neighboring the submarine remains the same as the submarine moves through the water even though it is not the same water the submarine continually displaces. This is what is occurring physically in nature as the galaxy clusters move through the aether.
'Surprise! IBEX Finds No Bow 'Shock' Outside our Solar System'
http://www.universetoday.com/95094/surprise-ibex-finds-no-bow-shock-outside-our-solar-system/
'"While bow shocks certainly exist ahead of many other stars, we're finding that our Sun's interaction doesn't reach the critical threshold to form a shock," said Dr. David McComas, principal investigator of the IBEX mission, "so a wave is a more accurate depiction of what's happening ahead of our heliosphere — much like the wave made by the bow of a boat as it glides through the water."'
The wave ahead of our heliosphere is an aether displacement wave. This is evidence of a moving 'particle', the solar system, having an associated aether wave.
'Hubble Finds Ghostly Ring of Dark Matter'
http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/hubble/news/dark_matter_ring_feature.html
"Astronomers using NASA's Hubble Space Telescope got a first-hand view of how dark matter behaves during a titanic collision between two galaxy clusters. The wreck created a ripple of dark mater, which is somewhat similar to a ripple formed in a pond when a rock hits the water."
The 'pond' consists of aether. The moving 'particles' are the galaxy clusters. The ripple is an aether displacement wave. The ripple is a gravitational wave. This is also evidence of a moving 'particle', the galaxy clusters, having an associated aether wave.
'Giant black hole kicked out of home galaxy'
http://www.astronomy.com/en/News-Observing/News/2012/06/Giant%20black%20hole%20kicked%20out%20of%20home%20galaxy.aspx
"But these new data support the idea that gravitational waves — ripples in the fabric of space first predicted by Albert Einstein but never detected directly — can exert an extremely powerful force."
The fabric of space is the aether.
Gravitational waves are ripples in the aether.
What ripples when galaxy clusters collide is what waves in a double slit experiment; the aether.
Einstein's gravitational wave is de Broglie's pilot-wave.
They are both aether displacement waves.
'Dark Matter Core Defies Explanation in NASA Hubble Image '
http://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2012/mar/HQ_12-068_Hubble_Dark_Core.html
"This technique revealed the dark matter in Abell 520 had collected into a "dark core," containing far fewer galaxies than would be expected if the dark matter and galaxies were anchored together. Most of the galaxies apparently have sailed far away from the collision. "This result is a puzzle," said astronomer James Jee of the University of California in Davis, lead author of paper about the results available online in The Astrophysical Journal. "Dark matter is not behaving as predicted, and it's not obviously clear what is going on. It is difficult to explain this Hubble observation with the current theories of galaxy formation and dark matter.""
The dark matter core does not defy explanation. The dark matter core is not a puzzle. The dark matter core is not difficult to explain. It is obviously clear what is going on.
Dark matter and galaxies are not anchored together. Matter moves through and displaces the aether.
Aether Displacement
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Quote from: mpc755 on July 04, 2012, 07:38:19 PM
What occurs physically in nature to cause gravity and the observed behaviors in a double slit experiment may still be a mystery to you. It isn't to me.
Lets call your ether wave a gravity wave. Now what causes the gravity wave? You're just saying it is the ether but don't really know.
Quote from: mpc755 on July 04, 2012, 07:38:19 PM
Aether has mass and physically occupies three dimensional space. Aether is physically displaced by matter. Displaced aether pushes back and exerts inward pressure toward matter.
If it "pushes back" or causes inward pressure and has structure and position IT WOULD CAUSE FRICTION TO ANY BODY IN MOTION.
I will try to explain one more time. Do you think that it is the ether that causes friction of a ball flying through the air? No, you think it is the air I imagine and not the ether.
Do you think it is ether that causes gravity or something else? Why can't gravity be caused by something else (i.e. not by a frictionless medium)?
What if gravity is caused by interaction with matter in a neighbouring parallel universe? This is not a working model but simply an idea I'm toying with.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4nnpg4N35o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFLW5uxzoKA
This idea ties in with some attempts to explain dark matter and energy. It also ties in with a theory I have about consciousness and Psi (ESP etc)
Very cool.
More aether displacement.
(http://science.nasa.gov/media/medialibrary/2005/11/16/16nov_gpb_resources/vortex1_crop.jpg)
Quote from: Pimander on July 09, 2012, 01:00:04 PM
Lets call your ether wave a gravity wave. Now what causes the gravity wave? You're just saying it is the ether but don't really know.
A gravity wave is an aether displacement wave analogous to the bow wave of a boat. A boat moving through the water displaces the water. A moving boat has an associated water displacement wave which is called a bow wave.
Aether has mass. Aether physically occupies three dimensional space. Aether is physically displaced by matter.
Matter moving through the aether displaces the aether.
The ripple created when galaxy clusters collide is an aether displacement wave.
The ripple created when galaxy clusters collide is a gravitational wave.
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If it "pushes back" or causes inward pressure and has structure and position IT WOULD CAUSE FRICTION TO ANY BODY IN MOTION.
Please learn the difference between friction and the ability of a superfluid/supersolid to push back and exert inward pressure toward an object which exists in it.
Frictionless means no loss of energy in the interaction of an object and a superfluid/supersolid. It does not mean no interaction.
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I will try to explain one more time. Do you think that it is the ether that causes friction of a ball flying through the air? No, you think it is the air I imagine and not the ether.
Do you think it is ether that causes gravity or something else? Why can't gravity be caused by something else (i.e. not by a frictionless medium)?
What if gravity is caused by interaction with matter in a neighbouring parallel universe? This is not a working model but simply an idea I'm toying with.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4nnpg4N35o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFLW5uxzoKA
This thread is titled 'Aether Displacement'. In aether displacement, displaced aether pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward matter is gravity.
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This idea ties in with some attempts to explain dark matter and energy. It also ties in with a theory I have about consciousness and Psi (ESP etc)
What is mistaken for non-baryonic dark matter which travels with matter is the aether matter moves through and displaces.
The Universe is, or the local Universe we exist in is in, a jet; a larger version of a black hole polar jet.
The following image is analogous to the polar jet we exist in.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:CMB_Timeline300_no_WMAP.jpg
Dark energy is aether emitted into the Universal jet.
It's not the Big Bang; it's the Big Ongoing.
Quote from: mpc755 on July 06, 2012, 11:39:47 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathematics_of_general_relativity
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metric_tensor_%28general_relativity%29
'Interpretation of quantum mechanics by the double solution theory - Louis de BROGLIE'
http://aflb.ensmp.fr/AFLB-classiques/aflb124p001.pdf
>:(You know what MPC755, You are a stubborn individual who seeks to avoid quoting any reality.... I was not asking about all the text you quoted here. you are not telling me anything new.
In fact you are telling me that you simply DO NOT UNDERSTAND the dimensions of Quantity or Quality.... These are ordinary engineering terms to build machines that you are using now...
Tell me.. have you used anything that makes use of a DeBoglie wave lately? I don't care about your complete misunderstanding of physics but hey.... be serious about reality. I don't care that you are cutting and pasting stuff all over. But why are you avoiding a direct question as simple as.: What is the Quantitative description unit for MASS!
This is my last appeal for you to prove that you are not just an amateur collectionist of modern day physics theorem that have no practical application thus far.
If you cannot answer that simple " mass" question, - then perhaps.... just perhaps you are a miserable failure (God-forbid) who is unable to resolve the most basic notions of reality and machines that work using this reality. Don't you ever have to turn a screw driver, or a torque wrench...What is the "Mass"/ force you are using... how is it defined?
Raymond
Quote from: Tromprenard on July 10, 2012, 08:07:44 AM
>:(You know what MPC755, You are a stubborn individual who seeks to avoid quoting any reality.... I was not asking about all the text you quoted here. you are not telling me anything new.
In fact you are telling me that you simply DO NOT UNDERSTAND the dimensions of Quantity or Quality.... These are ordinary engineering terms to build machines that you are using now...
Tell me.. have you used anything that makes use of a DeBoglie wave lately? I don't care about your complete misunderstanding of physics but hey.... be serious about reality. I don't care that you are cutting and pasting stuff all over. But why are you avoiding a direct question as simple as.: What is the Quantitative description unit for MASS!
This is my last appeal for you to prove that you are not just an amateur collectionist of modern day physics theorem that have no practical application thus far.
If you cannot answer that simple " mass" question, - then perhaps.... just perhaps you are a miserable failure (God-forbid) who is unable to resolve the most basic notions of reality and machines that work using this reality. Don't you ever have to turn a screw driver, or a torque wrench...What is the "Mass"/ force you are using... how is it defined?
Raymond
Why do you insist on not understanding I have figured out the relationship between general relativity and quantum physics?
Why do you insist on not understanding Einstein's gravitational wave is de Broglie's pilot-wave?
Why do you insist on not understanding they are both aether displacement waves?
Why do you insist on not understanding displaced aether pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward matter is gravity?
Why do you insist on not understanding there is no such thing as non-baryonic dark matter anchored to matter?
Why do you insist on not understanding matter moves through and displaces the aether?
Why do you insist on not understanding the following?
'Interpretation of quantum mechanics by the double solution theory - Louis de BROGLIE'
http://aflb.ensmp.fr/AFLB-classiques/aflb124p001.pdf
"If a hidden sub-quantum medium is assumed, knowledge of its nature would seem desirable. It certainly is of quite complex character. It could not serve as a universal reference medium, as this would be contrary to relativity theory."
de Broglie is referring to a relativistic aether. The same aether as Einstein.
'Ether and the Theory of Relativity - Albert Einstein'
http://www.tu-harburg.de/rzt/rzt/it/Ether.html
"As to the mechanical nature of the Lorentzian ether, it may be said of it, in a somewhat playful spirit, that immobility is the only mechanical property of which it has not been deprived by H. A. Lorentz. It may be added that the whole change in the conception of the ether which the special theory of relativity brought about, consisted in taking away from the ether its last mechanical quality, namely, its immobility."
An immobile aether is a universal reference medium. Both de Broglie and Einstein are stating the aether is not an immobile universal reference medium.
"It is ironic that Einstein's most creative work, the general theory of relativity, should boil down to conceptualizing space as a medium when his original premise [in special relativity] was that no such medium existed [..] The word 'ether' has extremely negative connotations in theoretical physics because of its past association with opposition to relativity. This is unfortunate because, stripped of these connotations, it rather nicely captures the way most physicists actually think about the vacuum. . . . Relativity actually says nothing about the existence or nonexistence of matter pervading the universe, only that any such matter must have relativistic symmetry. [..] It turns out that such matter exists. About the time relativity was becoming accepted, studies of radioactivity began showing that the empty vacuum of space had spectroscopic structure similar to that of ordinary quantum solids and fluids. Subsequent studies with large particle accelerators have now led us to understand that space is more like a piece of window glass than ideal Newtonian emptiness. It is filled with 'stuff' that is normally transparent but can be made visible by hitting it sufficiently hard to knock out a part. The modern concept of the vacuum of space, confirmed every day by experiment, is a relativistic ether. But we do not call it this because it is taboo." - Robert B. Laughlin, Nobel Laureate in Physics, endowed chair in physics, Stanford University
This is my last appeal to you to explain why you can not understand any of the above.
Quote from: mpc755 on July 10, 2012, 11:58:10 AM
Why do you insist on not understanding I have figured out the relationship between general relativity and quantum physics?
There's already a theory about this. It's called String Theory. ::)
My ideas, that I have gently tried to introduce you to, are an attempt to integrate string theory with modern Psi research and consciousness research. It also related to something called "A fields", which are a scientific interpretation of the Akashic record - called by some
Aether.I know that your opinion is that I don't understand you. Your opinion is wrong. I do think you have missed something. I suspect you are possibly only interested in your own ideas so I am probably wasting my time here. If that changes, we can discuss.
All the best
Mpc wrote,
"Why do You insist in not understanding"...blah blah blah.
The common comprehension of the word UNDERSTAND is to actually comprehend what is been said.
It can also mean to bow down to...to accept ...to comply with....whatever blah , blah , blah is.
You have expressed a theory.
You are not backing this up with any currently accepted science or factums.
You have repeated the self same explanation ad nauseum.
Other posters are asking for confirmations, if You can't provide such then say IMHO.....that is fairy snuff.
But You cannot say what You just have , and so many times.
You cannot insist that others must understand
You are alienating other posters by repeating parrot fashion the self same sentences, then demanding to know why they dont understand.
With Tromprenard You have the most brilliant of the brilliant trying to assist You, He has probably forgotten more than You will ever know.
IMHO You are spouting absolute twaddle, but there are consequences relative to what You are saying that can be debated and quantified.
hobbit
Quote from: Pimander on July 10, 2012, 01:57:43 PM
There's already a theory about this. It's called String Theory. ::)
This thread is titled 'Aether Displacement'. In aether displacement Einstein's gravitational wave is de Broglie's pilot-wave; both are aether displacement waves. In aether displacement, displaced aether pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward matter is gravity. In aether displacement, in a double slit experiment, the moving particle travels a well defined trajectory which takes it through one slit while the associated aether wave passes through both.
Quote
My ideas, that I have gently tried to introduce you to, are an attempt to integrate string theory with modern Psi research and consciousness research. It also related to something called "A fields", which are a scientific interpretation of the Akashic record - called by some Aether.
I know that your opinion is that I don't understand you. Your opinion is wrong. I do think you have missed something. I suspect you are possibly only interested in your own ideas so I am probably wasting my time here. If that changes, we can discuss.
All the best
Aether displacement is the most correct theory which unites relativity and quantum physics.
Quote from: hobbit on July 10, 2012, 02:10:53 PM
Mpc wrote,
"Why do You insist in not understanding"...blah blah blah.
The common comprehension of the word UNDERSTAND is to actually comprehend what is been said.
It can also mean to bow down to...to accept ...to comply with....whatever blah , blah , blah is.
You have expressed a theory.
You are not backing this up with any currently accepted science or factums.
You have repeated the self same explanation ad nauseum.
Other posters are asking for confirmations, if You can't provide such then say IMHO.....that is fairy snuff.
But You cannot say what You just have , and so many times.
You cannot insist that others must understand
You are alienating other posters by repeating parrot fashion the self same sentences, then demanding to know why they dont understand.
With Tromprenard You have the most brilliant of the brilliant trying to assist You, He has probably forgotten more than You will ever know.
IMHO You are spouting absolute twaddle, but there are consequences relative to what You are saying that can be debated and quantified.
hobbit
I have figured out what unites relativity with quantum physics. If you, and other posters, choose not to understand this then that is your choice.
The following is evidence of aether displacement. If you choose not to understand the following is evidence of aether displacement then that is your choice.
'NASA's Voyager Hits New Region at Solar System Edge'
http://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2011/dec/HQ_11-402_AGU_Voyager.html
"Voyager is showing that what is outside is pushing back. ... Like cars piling up at a clogged freeway off-ramp, the increased intensity of the magnetic field shows that inward pressure from interstellar space is compacting it."
It is the aether which is displaced by the matter the solar system consists of which is pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward the solar system.
'Offset between dark matter and ordinary matter: evidence from a sample of 38 lensing clusters of galaxies'
http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/1004/1004.1475v1.pdf
"Our data strongly support the idea that the gravitational potential in clusters is mainly due to a non-baryonic fluid, and any exotic field in gravitational theory must resemble that of CDM fields very closely."
The offset is due to the galaxy clusters moving through the aether. The analogy is a submarine moving through the water. You are under water. Two miles away from you are many lights. Moving between you and the lights one mile away is a submarine. The submarine displaces the water. The state of displacement of the water causes the center of the lensing of the light propagating through the water to be offset from the center of the submarine itself. The offset between the center of the lensing of the light propagating through the water displaced by the submarine and the center of the submarine itself is going to remain the same as the submarine moves through the water. The submarine continually displaces different regions of the water. The state of the water connected to and neighboring the submarine remains the same as the submarine moves through the water even though it is not the same water the submarine continually displaces. This is what is occurring physically in nature as the galaxy clusters move through the aether.
'Surprise! IBEX Finds No Bow 'Shock' Outside our Solar System'
http://www.universetoday.com/95094/surprise-ibex-finds-no-bow-shock-outside-our-solar-system/
'"While bow shocks certainly exist ahead of many other stars, we're finding that our Sun's interaction doesn't reach the critical threshold to form a shock," said Dr. David McComas, principal investigator of the IBEX mission, "so a wave is a more accurate depiction of what's happening ahead of our heliosphere — much like the wave made by the bow of a boat as it glides through the water."'
The wave ahead of our heliosphere is an aether displacement wave. This is evidence of a moving 'particle', the solar system, having an associated aether wave.
'Hubble Finds Ghostly Ring of Dark Matter'
http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/hubble/news/dark_matter_ring_feature.html
"Astronomers using NASA's Hubble Space Telescope got a first-hand view of how dark matter behaves during a titanic collision between two galaxy clusters. The wreck created a ripple of dark mater, which is somewhat similar to a ripple formed in a pond when a rock hits the water."
The 'pond' consists of aether. The moving 'particles' are the galaxy clusters. The ripple is an aether displacement wave. The ripple is a gravitational wave. This is also evidence of a moving 'particle', the galaxy clusters, having an associated aether wave.
'Dark Matter Core Defies Explanation in NASA Hubble Image '
http://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2012/mar/HQ_12-068_Hubble_Dark_Core.html
"This technique revealed the dark matter in Abell 520 had collected into a "dark core," containing far fewer galaxies than would be expected if the dark matter and galaxies were anchored together. Most of the galaxies apparently have sailed far away from the collision. "This result is a puzzle," said astronomer James Jee of the University of California in Davis, lead author of paper about the results available online in The Astrophysical Journal. "Dark matter is not behaving as predicted, and it's not obviously clear what is going on. It is difficult to explain this Hubble observation with the current theories of galaxy formation and dark matter.""
The dark matter core does not defy explanation. The dark matter core is not a puzzle. The dark matter core is not difficult to explain. It is obviously clear what is going on.
Dark matter and galaxies are not anchored together. Matter moves through and displaces the aether.
'Giant black hole kicked out of home galaxy'
http://www.astronomy.com/en/News-Observing/News/2012/06/Giant%20black%20hole%20kicked%20out%20of%20home%20galaxy.aspx
"But these new data support the idea that gravitational waves — ripples in the fabric of space first predicted by Albert Einstein but never detected directly — can exert an extremely powerful force."
The fabric of space is the aether.
Gravitational waves are ripples in the aether.
What ripples when galaxy clusters collide is what waves in a double slit experiment; the aether.
Einstein's gravitational wave is de Broglie's pilot-wave.
They are both aether displacement waves.
Anyone got a white flag????
hobbit
Quote from: hobbit on July 10, 2012, 02:28:41 PM
Anyone got a white flag????
hobbit
You could choose to correctly understand the following is evidence of aether displacement.
'NASA's Voyager Hits New Region at Solar System Edge'
http://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2011/dec/HQ_11-402_AGU_Voyager.html
"Voyager is showing that what is outside is pushing back. ... Like cars piling up at a clogged freeway off-ramp, the increased intensity of the magnetic field shows that inward pressure from interstellar space is compacting it."
It is the aether which is displaced by the matter the solar system consists of which is pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward the solar system.
'Offset between dark matter and ordinary matter: evidence from a sample of 38 lensing clusters of galaxies'
http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/1004/1004.1475v1.pdf
"Our data strongly support the idea that the gravitational potential in clusters is mainly due to a non-baryonic fluid, and any exotic field in gravitational theory must resemble that of CDM fields very closely."
The offset is due to the galaxy clusters moving through the aether. The analogy is a submarine moving through the water. You are under water. Two miles away from you are many lights. Moving between you and the lights one mile away is a submarine. The submarine displaces the water. The state of displacement of the water causes the center of the lensing of the light propagating through the water to be offset from the center of the submarine itself. The offset between the center of the lensing of the light propagating through the water displaced by the submarine and the center of the submarine itself is going to remain the same as the submarine moves through the water. The submarine continually displaces different regions of the water. The state of the water connected to and neighboring the submarine remains the same as the submarine moves through the water even though it is not the same water the submarine continually displaces. This is what is occurring physically in nature as the galaxy clusters move through the aether.
'Surprise! IBEX Finds No Bow 'Shock' Outside our Solar System'
http://www.universetoday.com/95094/surprise-ibex-finds-no-bow-shock-outside-our-solar-system/
'"While bow shocks certainly exist ahead of many other stars, we're finding that our Sun's interaction doesn't reach the critical threshold to form a shock," said Dr. David McComas, principal investigator of the IBEX mission, "so a wave is a more accurate depiction of what's happening ahead of our heliosphere — much like the wave made by the bow of a boat as it glides through the water."'
The wave ahead of our heliosphere is an aether displacement wave. This is evidence of a moving 'particle', the solar system, having an associated aether wave.
'Hubble Finds Ghostly Ring of Dark Matter'
http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/hubble/news/dark_matter_ring_feature.html
"Astronomers using NASA's Hubble Space Telescope got a first-hand view of how dark matter behaves during a titanic collision between two galaxy clusters. The wreck created a ripple of dark mater, which is somewhat similar to a ripple formed in a pond when a rock hits the water."
The 'pond' consists of aether. The moving 'particles' are the galaxy clusters. The ripple is an aether displacement wave. The ripple is a gravitational wave. This is also evidence of a moving 'particle', the galaxy clusters, having an associated aether wave.
'Dark Matter Core Defies Explanation in NASA Hubble Image '
http://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2012/mar/HQ_12-068_Hubble_Dark_Core.html
"This technique revealed the dark matter in Abell 520 had collected into a "dark core," containing far fewer galaxies than would be expected if the dark matter and galaxies were anchored together. Most of the galaxies apparently have sailed far away from the collision. "This result is a puzzle," said astronomer James Jee of the University of California in Davis, lead author of paper about the results available online in The Astrophysical Journal. "Dark matter is not behaving as predicted, and it's not obviously clear what is going on. It is difficult to explain this Hubble observation with the current theories of galaxy formation and dark matter.""
The dark matter core does not defy explanation. The dark matter core is not a puzzle. The dark matter core is not difficult to explain. It is obviously clear what is going on.
Dark matter and galaxies are not anchored together. Matter moves through and displaces the aether.
'Giant black hole kicked out of home galaxy'
http://www.astronomy.com/en/News-Observing/News/2012/06/Giant%20black%20hole%20kicked%20out%20of%20home%20galaxy.aspx
"But these new data support the idea that gravitational waves — ripples in the fabric of space first predicted by Albert Einstein but never detected directly — can exert an extremely powerful force."
The fabric of space is the aether.
Gravitational waves are ripples in the aether.
What ripples when galaxy clusters collide is what waves in a double slit experiment; the aether.
Einstein's gravitational wave is de Broglie's pilot-wave.
They are both aether displacement waves.
Oh dear, its getting maniacal, Hobbit!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hmz6DVpz0s
Le
Quote from: Littleenki on July 10, 2012, 02:38:24 PM
Oh dear, its getting maniacal, Hobbit!
Le
The following is evidence of aether displacement. If you choose not to understand this then that is your choice.
'NASA's Voyager Hits New Region at Solar System Edge'
http://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2011/dec/HQ_11-402_AGU_Voyager.html
"Voyager is showing that what is outside is pushing back. ... Like cars piling up at a clogged freeway off-ramp, the increased intensity of the magnetic field shows that inward pressure from interstellar space is compacting it."
It is the aether which is displaced by the matter the solar system consists of which is pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward the solar system.
'Offset between dark matter and ordinary matter: evidence from a sample of 38 lensing clusters of galaxies'
http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/1004/1004.1475v1.pdf
"Our data strongly support the idea that the gravitational potential in clusters is mainly due to a non-baryonic fluid, and any exotic field in gravitational theory must resemble that of CDM fields very closely."
The offset is due to the galaxy clusters moving through the aether. The analogy is a submarine moving through the water. You are under water. Two miles away from you are many lights. Moving between you and the lights one mile away is a submarine. The submarine displaces the water. The state of displacement of the water causes the center of the lensing of the light propagating through the water to be offset from the center of the submarine itself. The offset between the center of the lensing of the light propagating through the water displaced by the submarine and the center of the submarine itself is going to remain the same as the submarine moves through the water. The submarine continually displaces different regions of the water. The state of the water connected to and neighboring the submarine remains the same as the submarine moves through the water even though it is not the same water the submarine continually displaces. This is what is occurring physically in nature as the galaxy clusters move through the aether.
'Surprise! IBEX Finds No Bow 'Shock' Outside our Solar System'
http://www.universetoday.com/95094/surprise-ibex-finds-no-bow-shock-outside-our-solar-system/
'"While bow shocks certainly exist ahead of many other stars, we're finding that our Sun's interaction doesn't reach the critical threshold to form a shock," said Dr. David McComas, principal investigator of the IBEX mission, "so a wave is a more accurate depiction of what's happening ahead of our heliosphere — much like the wave made by the bow of a boat as it glides through the water."'
The wave ahead of our heliosphere is an aether displacement wave. This is evidence of a moving 'particle', the solar system, having an associated aether wave.
'Hubble Finds Ghostly Ring of Dark Matter'
http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/hubble/news/dark_matter_ring_feature.html
"Astronomers using NASA's Hubble Space Telescope got a first-hand view of how dark matter behaves during a titanic collision between two galaxy clusters. The wreck created a ripple of dark mater, which is somewhat similar to a ripple formed in a pond when a rock hits the water."
The 'pond' consists of aether. The moving 'particles' are the galaxy clusters. The ripple is an aether displacement wave. The ripple is a gravitational wave. This is also evidence of a moving 'particle', the galaxy clusters, having an associated aether wave.
'Dark Matter Core Defies Explanation in NASA Hubble Image '
http://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2012/mar/HQ_12-068_Hubble_Dark_Core.html
"This technique revealed the dark matter in Abell 520 had collected into a "dark core," containing far fewer galaxies than would be expected if the dark matter and galaxies were anchored together. Most of the galaxies apparently have sailed far away from the collision. "This result is a puzzle," said astronomer James Jee of the University of California in Davis, lead author of paper about the results available online in The Astrophysical Journal. "Dark matter is not behaving as predicted, and it's not obviously clear what is going on. It is difficult to explain this Hubble observation with the current theories of galaxy formation and dark matter.""
The dark matter core does not defy explanation. The dark matter core is not a puzzle. The dark matter core is not difficult to explain. It is obviously clear what is going on.
Dark matter and galaxies are not anchored together. Matter moves through and displaces the aether.
'Giant black hole kicked out of home galaxy'
http://www.astronomy.com/en/News-Observing/News/2012/06/Giant%20black%20hole%20kicked%20out%20of%20home%20galaxy.aspx
"But these new data support the idea that gravitational waves — ripples in the fabric of space first predicted by Albert Einstein but never detected directly — can exert an extremely powerful force."
The fabric of space is the aether.
Gravitational waves are ripples in the aether.
What ripples when galaxy clusters collide is what waves in a double slit experiment; the aether.
Einstein's gravitational wave is de Broglie's pilot-wave.
They are both aether displacement waves.
Quote from: mpc755 on July 10, 2012, 02:18:14 PM
I have figured out what unites relativity with quantum physics. If you, and other posters, choose not to understand this then that is your choice.
OK, I'm sick of your nonsense now! You are only interested in your own ideas so I'll help you out shall I?
If YOU PERSONALLY, "have figured out what unites relativity with quantum physics," then you are in line for a
Nobel Prize.
Congratulations for unifying physics, you will be bigger than Einstein, Newton and the rest.
Oh yes, don't forget to publish a paper on it, otherwise someone might pinch your idea off here and submit that Nobel Prize winning paper first. DOH! ::)
Some people just don't get it!
He keeps asking you all why you don't understand him and I am sitting back here because all of the scientific rhetoric is way over my head but I do see a trend and a motion that somehow you smart folks have missed.
He is leading you off. The entire pack. And you don't see it. What a glorious waste of the intellect expressed here.
Trickfox..... you are following a drag bag... there is no fox at the end of this discussion. Just more discussion.
Linda
Quote from: Linda Brown on July 10, 2012, 03:02:17 PM
He keeps asking you all why you don't understand him and I am sitting back here because all of the scientific rhetoric is way over my head but I do see a trend and a motion that somehow you smart folks have missed.
He is leading you off. The entire pack. And you don't see it. What a glorious waste of the intellect expressed here.
Trickfox..... you are following a drag bag... there is no fox at the end of this discussion. Just more discussion.
Linda
All you have to do is understand how water is displaced by objects which exist in it and how the bow wave of a boat is a water displacement wave and you can understand aether displacement.
Why do you choose not to understand aether displacement correctly explains what occurs physically in nature to cause gravity and the observed behaviors in a double slit experiment?
Talk to Mikado. Linda
Quote from: Linda Brown on July 10, 2012, 03:34:50 PM
Talk to Mikado. Linda
I'm asking you. I have correctly explained what occurs physically in nature to cause gravity. I have correctly explained what occurs physically in nature to cause the observed behaviors in a double slit experiment.
Displaced aether pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward matter is gravity.
In a double slit experiment, the particle has a well defined trajectory which takes it through one slit while the associated aether wave passes through both.
You insist on not understanding this. Why?
You asked me why. Here is the answer.
I think that you are a puppet of Mikados. Sent here to spend an amazing amount of time beating around a nonexistant bush.... wasting everyones valuable time.
You constantly repeat the same phrases which speaks to me that you are a programed individual. As such I have not time for you or your thoughts or your questions because they are not in my opinion in the slightest genuine.
You asked. There is the answer. Linda
Quote from: Linda Brown on July 10, 2012, 03:43:14 PM
You asked me why. Here is the answer.
I think that you are a puppet of Mikados. Sent here to spend an amazing amount of time beating around a nonexistant bush.... wasting everyones valuable time.
You constantly repeat the same phrases which speaks to me that you are a programed individual. As such I have not time for you or your thoughts or your questions because they are not in my opinion in the slightest genuine.
You asked. There is the answer. Linda
I am not a sockpuppet of anyone. I figured out aether displacement on my own 30 years ago.
Why does everyone seem to be afraid of understanding what occurs physically in nature to cause gravity and the observed behaviors in a double slit experiment?
I shouldn't have to repeat my self. The evidence is obvious and clear. The following
IS evidence of aether displacement.
'NASA's Voyager Hits New Region at Solar System Edge'
http://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2011/dec/HQ_11-402_AGU_Voyager.html
"Voyager is showing that what is outside is pushing back. ... Like cars piling up at a clogged freeway off-ramp, the increased intensity of the magnetic field shows that inward pressure from interstellar space is compacting it."
It is the aether which is displaced by the matter the solar system consists of which is pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward the solar system.
'Offset between dark matter and ordinary matter: evidence from a sample of 38 lensing clusters of galaxies'
http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/1004/1004.1475v1.pdf
"Our data strongly support the idea that the gravitational potential in clusters is mainly due to a non-baryonic fluid, and any exotic field in gravitational theory must resemble that of CDM fields very closely."
The offset is due to the galaxy clusters moving through the aether. The analogy is a submarine moving through the water. You are under water. Two miles away from you are many lights. Moving between you and the lights one mile away is a submarine. The submarine displaces the water. The state of displacement of the water causes the center of the lensing of the light propagating through the water to be offset from the center of the submarine itself. The offset between the center of the lensing of the light propagating through the water displaced by the submarine and the center of the submarine itself is going to remain the same as the submarine moves through the water. The submarine continually displaces different regions of the water. The state of the water connected to and neighboring the submarine remains the same as the submarine moves through the water even though it is not the same water the submarine continually displaces. This is what is occurring physically in nature as the galaxy clusters move through the aether.
'Surprise! IBEX Finds No Bow 'Shock' Outside our Solar System'
http://www.universetoday.com/95094/surprise-ibex-finds-no-bow-shock-outside-our-solar-system/
'"While bow shocks certainly exist ahead of many other stars, we're finding that our Sun's interaction doesn't reach the critical threshold to form a shock," said Dr. David McComas, principal investigator of the IBEX mission, "so a wave is a more accurate depiction of what's happening ahead of our heliosphere — much like the wave made by the bow of a boat as it glides through the water."'
The wave ahead of our heliosphere is an aether displacement wave. This is evidence of a moving 'particle', the solar system, having an associated aether wave.
'Hubble Finds Ghostly Ring of Dark Matter'
http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/hubble/news/dark_matter_ring_feature.html
"Astronomers using NASA's Hubble Space Telescope got a first-hand view of how dark matter behaves during a titanic collision between two galaxy clusters. The wreck created a ripple of dark mater, which is somewhat similar to a ripple formed in a pond when a rock hits the water."
The 'pond' consists of aether. The moving 'particles' are the galaxy clusters. The ripple is an aether displacement wave. The ripple is a gravitational wave. This is also evidence of a moving 'particle', the galaxy clusters, having an associated aether wave.
'Dark Matter Core Defies Explanation in NASA Hubble Image '
http://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2012/mar/HQ_12-068_Hubble_Dark_Core.html
"This technique revealed the dark matter in Abell 520 had collected into a "dark core," containing far fewer galaxies than would be expected if the dark matter and galaxies were anchored together. Most of the galaxies apparently have sailed far away from the collision. "This result is a puzzle," said astronomer James Jee of the University of California in Davis, lead author of paper about the results available online in The Astrophysical Journal. "Dark matter is not behaving as predicted, and it's not obviously clear what is going on. It is difficult to explain this Hubble observation with the current theories of galaxy formation and dark matter.""
The dark matter core does not defy explanation. The dark matter core is not a puzzle. The dark matter core is not difficult to explain. It is obviously clear what is going on.
Dark matter and galaxies are not anchored together. Matter moves through and displaces the aether.
'Giant black hole kicked out of home galaxy'
http://www.astronomy.com/en/News-Observing/News/2012/06/Giant%20black%20hole%20kicked%20out%20of%20home%20galaxy.aspx
"But these new data support the idea that gravitational waves — ripples in the fabric of space first predicted by Albert Einstein but never detected directly — can exert an extremely powerful force."
The fabric of space is the aether.
Gravitational waves are ripples in the aether.
What ripples when galaxy clusters collide is what waves in a double slit experiment; the aether.
Einstein's gravitational wave is de Broglie's pilot-wave.
They are both aether displacement waves.
Tell Mikado I don't believe a word you or he says.
You can repeat things all you want. It is a waste of your time and energy unless you can break the bonds that hold you and actually interact with the people here who have tried to reach out to you.
Good luck to you. Linda
Quote from: Linda Brown on July 10, 2012, 04:08:35 PM
Tell Mikado I don't believe a word you or he says.
You can repeat things all you want. It is a waste of your time and energy unless you can break the bonds that hold you and actually interact with the people here who have tried to reach out to you.
Good luck to you. Linda
No one except for Mikado has reached out. All everyone else has done is put up road blocks to their being able to understand aether displacement, yourself included.
You can't even answer if 'stuff' has mass. Why?
You insisted I explain the energy in a vacuum in an experiment I had never even heard of before in terms of aether displacement or you were going to walk away from the conversation. Why?
What is it with the posters on this forum who's only idea of 'helping' the thread is to pontificate their own ideas which have nothing to do whatsoever with aether displacement?
What is it with the posters on this forum who insist on not understanding the following
IS evidence of aether displacement?
'NASA's Voyager Hits New Region at Solar System Edge'
http://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2011/dec/HQ_11-402_AGU_Voyager.html
"Voyager is showing that what is outside is pushing back. ... Like cars piling up at a clogged freeway off-ramp, the increased intensity of the magnetic field shows that inward pressure from interstellar space is compacting it."
It is the aether which is displaced by the matter the solar system consists of which is pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward the solar system.
'Offset between dark matter and ordinary matter: evidence from a sample of 38 lensing clusters of galaxies'
http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/1004/1004.1475v1.pdf
"Our data strongly support the idea that the gravitational potential in clusters is mainly due to a non-baryonic fluid, and any exotic field in gravitational theory must resemble that of CDM fields very closely."
The offset is due to the galaxy clusters moving through the aether. The analogy is a submarine moving through the water. You are under water. Two miles away from you are many lights. Moving between you and the lights one mile away is a submarine. The submarine displaces the water. The state of displacement of the water causes the center of the lensing of the light propagating through the water to be offset from the center of the submarine itself. The offset between the center of the lensing of the light propagating through the water displaced by the submarine and the center of the submarine itself is going to remain the same as the submarine moves through the water. The submarine continually displaces different regions of the water. The state of the water connected to and neighboring the submarine remains the same as the submarine moves through the water even though it is not the same water the submarine continually displaces. This is what is occurring physically in nature as the galaxy clusters move through the aether.
'Surprise! IBEX Finds No Bow 'Shock' Outside our Solar System'
http://www.universetoday.com/95094/surprise-ibex-finds-no-bow-shock-outside-our-solar-system/
'"While bow shocks certainly exist ahead of many other stars, we're finding that our Sun's interaction doesn't reach the critical threshold to form a shock," said Dr. David McComas, principal investigator of the IBEX mission, "so a wave is a more accurate depiction of what's happening ahead of our heliosphere — much like the wave made by the bow of a boat as it glides through the water."'
The wave ahead of our heliosphere is an aether displacement wave. This is evidence of a moving 'particle', the solar system, having an associated aether wave.
'Hubble Finds Ghostly Ring of Dark Matter'
http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/hubble/news/dark_matter_ring_feature.html
"Astronomers using NASA's Hubble Space Telescope got a first-hand view of how dark matter behaves during a titanic collision between two galaxy clusters. The wreck created a ripple of dark mater, which is somewhat similar to a ripple formed in a pond when a rock hits the water."
The 'pond' consists of aether. The moving 'particles' are the galaxy clusters. The ripple is an aether displacement wave. The ripple is a gravitational wave. This is also evidence of a moving 'particle', the galaxy clusters, having an associated aether wave.
'Dark Matter Core Defies Explanation in NASA Hubble Image '
http://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2012/mar/HQ_12-068_Hubble_Dark_Core.html
"This technique revealed the dark matter in Abell 520 had collected into a "dark core," containing far fewer galaxies than would be expected if the dark matter and galaxies were anchored together. Most of the galaxies apparently have sailed far away from the collision. "This result is a puzzle," said astronomer James Jee of the University of California in Davis, lead author of paper about the results available online in The Astrophysical Journal. "Dark matter is not behaving as predicted, and it's not obviously clear what is going on. It is difficult to explain this Hubble observation with the current theories of galaxy formation and dark matter.""
The dark matter core does not defy explanation. The dark matter core is not a puzzle. The dark matter core is not difficult to explain. It is obviously clear what is going on.
Dark matter and galaxies are not anchored together. Matter moves through and displaces the aether.
'Giant black hole kicked out of home galaxy'
http://www.astronomy.com/en/News-Observing/News/2012/06/Giant%20black%20hole%20kicked%20out%20of%20home%20galaxy.aspx
"But these new data support the idea that gravitational waves — ripples in the fabric of space first predicted by Albert Einstein but never detected directly — can exert an extremely powerful force."
The fabric of space is the aether.
Gravitational waves are ripples in the aether.
What ripples when galaxy clusters collide is what waves in a double slit experiment; the aether.
Einstein's gravitational wave is de Broglie's pilot-wave.
They are both aether displacement waves.
The answer to it all is found in his response here
No one except for Mikado has reached out.Thats the entire ball of wax folks... none of your words meant a thing Pimander... nor yours Hobbit...He can't see any of that. He just is as a machine... repeating over and over and over.....
Much the way you respond Mikado.
Linda
Quote from: Linda Brown on July 10, 2012, 04:48:04 PM
The answer to it all is found in his response here
No one except for Mikado has reached out.Thats the entire ball of wax folks... none of your words meant a thing Pimander... nor yours Hobbit...He can't see any of that. He just is as a machine... repeating over and over and over.....
Much the way you respond Mikado.
Linda
Point to one post where any poster, besides Mikado, actually discusses aether displacement and does not just pontificate their own idea.
It is all as simple as your inability to answer the following question.
Does 'stuff' have mass?
In aether displacement, aether has mass and is physically displaced by matter.
Quote from: mpc755 on July 10, 2012, 05:02:05 PM
Point to one post where any poster, besides Mikado, actually discusses aether displacement and does not just pontificate their own idea.
mpc755=pontificate
forum=discussion (which would normally involve more than one persons ideas)
You don't get it....
Oh but Primander. He knows EXACTLY what his agenda is.... he may not understand WHY he is doing what he is doing.... but he is very sure that this is his mission here. And it has NOTHING to do with aether displacement as much as distraction from other subjects. The time you spend here trying to " reach him" is time pulled away from other more productive endeavors here.
So if you see that there is a possibility of that happening here and you don't totally disagree with me... then I would suggest turning to another thread and leaving this one to him. Linda
Quote from: Pimander on July 10, 2012, 05:32:28 PM
mpc755=pontificate
forum=discussion (which would normally involve more than one persons ideas)
You don't get it....
This thread is titled 'Aether Displacement'. This thread is to discuss aether displacement. In aether displacement, aether has mass and physically occupies three dimensional space. Aether is physically displaced by matter. Displaced aether pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward matter is gravity. In a double slit experiment, a moving particle has an associated aether displacement wave. The particle travels a well defined trajectory which takes it through one slit while the associated aether wave passes through both.
I look forward to your first post where you actually discuss aether displacement.
Do you even get how boring this is? Bye. Linda
Quote from: Linda Brown on July 10, 2012, 05:37:53 PM
Oh but Primander. He knows EXACTLY what his agenda is.... he may not understand WHY he is doing what he is doing.... but he is very sure that this is his mission here. And it has NOTHING to do with aether displacement as much as distraction from other subjects. The time you spend here trying to " reach him" is time pulled away from other more productive endeavors here.
So if you see that there is a possibility of that happening here and you don't totally disagree with me... then I would suggest turning to another thread and leaving this one to him. Linda
Why, on a physics forum, are you unable to answer if 'stuff' has mass? What is the point of 'engaging' in a physics forum if you can't answer if 'stuff' has mass?
In aether displacement, aether has mass and physically occupies three dimensional space. Aether is physically displaced by matter. Displaced aether pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward matter is gravity. In a double slit experiment, the moving particle travels a well defined trajectory which takes it through one slit while the associated aether wave passes through both.
Quote from: Linda Brown on July 10, 2012, 05:42:05 PM
Do you even get how boring this is? Bye. Linda
What occurs physically in nature to cause gravity and the observed behaviors in a double slit experiment bores you?
Quote from: mpc755 on July 10, 2012, 05:44:23 PM
What occurs physically in nature to cause gravity and the observed behaviors in a double slit experiment bores you?
Yawn.... you already copy and pasted about that. ::)
Quote from: Pimander on July 10, 2012, 05:58:36 PM
Yawn.... you already copy and pasted about that. ::)
So, on a physics forum, you find it boring and causes you to yawn when someone has figured out what occurs physically in nature to cause gravity and the observed behaviors in a double slit experiment?
Are you still pontificating? :P
Quote from: Pimander on July 10, 2012, 06:08:03 PM
Are you still pontificating? :P
I figured out what occurs physically in nature to cause gravity and the observed behaviors in a double slit experiment.
Quote from: Linda Brown on July 10, 2012, 05:37:53 PM
So if you see that there is a possibility of that happening here and you don't totally disagree with me... then I would suggest turning to another thread and leaving this one to him. Linda
I just wanted to be sure what I was dealing with rather than be rash.... I know what I am dealing with now. :)
P.S. @mpc: Come back to the forum and let us know when you pick up your Nobel Prize. :P
Quote from: Pimander on July 10, 2012, 06:12:57 PM
I just wanted to be sure what I was dealing with rather than be rash.... I know what I am dealing with now. :)
P.S. @mpc: Come back to the forum and let us know when you pick up your Nobel Prize. :P
I'm still waiting for your first post which has anything to do with aether displacement.
With permission from the folks that have the ability to do so.... I ask that we lock this thread and move along. We have wasted enough time here. Pimander, Zorgon. I am repeating some international messages that are urgent .... Lock it. Lock it. Lock it. Please. Linda
Quote from: mpc755 on July 10, 2012, 07:01:55 PM
I'm still waiting for your first post which has anything to do with aether displacement.
Go back and take a look yourself if you can read and not just paste.
Quote from: mpc755 on July 10, 2012, 06:10:49 PM
I figured out what occurs physically in nature to cause gravity and the observed behaviors in a double slit experiment.
If YOU PERSONALLY, "have figured out what unites relativity with quantum physics," then you are in line for a
Nobel Prize.
Congratulations for unifying physics. You will be bigger than Einstein, Newton and the rest.
Oh yes, don't forget to publish a paper on it, otherwise someone might pinch your idea off here and submit that Nobel Prize winning paper first. DOH! ::)
Quote from: Linda Brown on July 10, 2012, 07:10:25 PM
With permission from the folks that have the ability to do so.... I ask that we lock this thread and move along. We have wasted enough time here. Pimander, Zorgon. I am repeating some international messages that are urgent .... Lock it. Lock it. Lock it. Please. Linda
What are you afraid of?
Why are you so afraid as to not even be able to answer if 'stuff' has mass?
In aether displacement, aether has mass and physically occupies three dimensional space.
See how easy that was?
Why does understanding gravity and what occurs physically in nature in a double slit experiment scare you so much that you are unable to just stay away from this thread; that you have to have it locked?
If you do want to understand what occurs physically in nature to cause gravity and the observed behaviors in a double slit experiment then understand the following.
Displaced aether pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward matter is gravity. In a double slit experiment the particle travels a well defined path through one slit while the associated aether wave passes through both.
Quote from: Pimander on July 10, 2012, 07:13:44 PM
Go back and take a look yourself if you can read and not just paste.
I looked. I did not find one post of yours which had anything to do with aether displacement.
Keep looking... :o
Quote from: Pimander on July 10, 2012, 07:20:32 PM
Keep looking... :o
I have. There is not one post of yours which discusses aether displacement.
So... At the risk of continuing this thread... My question is...
If You place two ice cubes in water, closely together, and let go, the pressure of the water "equalizes" and the cubes are not pressed more closely together. They can and will float apart. So...
If this aether is gravity, and presses against the planet and the bodies upon the planet in equal force all around, like water on the ice cubes...
Why then do We not drift off the planet?
Quote from: Amaterasu on July 10, 2012, 08:30:56 PM
So... At the risk of continuing this thread... My question is...
If You place two ice cubes in water, closely together, and let go, the pressure of the water "equalizes" and the cubes are not pressed more closely together. They can and will float apart. So...
If this aether is gravity, and presses against the planet and the bodies upon the planet in equal force all around, like water on the ice cubes...
Why then do We not drift off the planet?
The aether is, or behaves similar to, a superfluid with properties of a solid; a supersolid.
'NASA's Voyager Hits New Region at Solar System Edge'
http://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2011/dec/HQ_11-402_AGU_Voyager.html
"Voyager is showing that what is outside is pushing back. ... Like cars piling up at a clogged freeway off-ramp, the increased intensity of the magnetic field shows that inward pressure from interstellar space is compacting it."
It is the aether which is displaced by the matter the solar system consists of which is pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward the solar system.
The aether where Voyager is is not equalized. It is pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward the solar system.
Quote from: mpc755 on July 10, 2012, 08:39:51 PM
QuoteQuote from: Amaterasu on Today at 04:30:56 PM
So... At the risk of continuing this thread... My question is...
If You place two ice cubes in water, closely together, and let go, the pressure of the water "equalizes" and the cubes are not pressed more closely together. They can and will float apart. So...
If this aether is gravity, and presses against the planet and the bodies upon the planet in equal force all around, like water on the ice cubes...
Why then do We not drift off the planet?
The aether is, or behaves similar to, a superfluid with properties of a solid; a supersolid.
'NASA's Voyager Hits New Region at Solar System Edge'
http://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2011/dec/HQ_11-402_AGU_Voyager.html
"Voyager is showing that what is outside is pushing back. ... Like cars piling up at a clogged freeway off-ramp, the increased intensity of the magnetic field shows that inward pressure from interstellar space is compacting it."
It is the aether which is displaced by the matter the solar system consists of which is pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward the solar system.
The aether where Voyager is is not equalized. It is pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward the solar system.
Does anyOne else see an answer to My question here? Sorry, mpc. That does not answer the question as far as I can see.
Tell You what. Forget I asked. Thanks for the repeat of stuff You said before - which did not answer My question and why I was led to ask it. But please... Pretend I never asked. Thanks.
Quote from: Amaterasu on July 10, 2012, 09:14:10 PM
The aether is, or behaves similar to, a superfluid with properties of a solid; a supersolid.
'NASA's Voyager Hits New Region at Solar System Edge'
http://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2011/dec/HQ_11-402_AGU_Voyager.html
"Voyager is showing that what is outside is pushing back. ... Like cars piling up at a clogged freeway off-ramp, the increased intensity of the magnetic field shows that inward pressure from interstellar space is compacting it."
It is the aether which is displaced by the matter the solar system consists of which is pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward the solar system.
The aether where Voyager is is not equalized. It is pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward the solar system.
Does anyOne else see an answer to My question here? Sorry, mpc. That does not answer the question as far as I can see.
Tell You what. Forget I asked. Thanks for the repeat of stuff You said before - which did not answer My question and why I was led to ask it. But please... Pretend I never asked. Thanks.
Of course it answers your question. Where Voyager is right now it detected aether displaced by the matter the solar system consists of which is pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward the solar system.
Closer to the Earth this pushing back and pressure exerted by the aether toward the Earth is call gravity.
Sorry you are unable to understand such a simple answer.
Anybody need an extra dog for the dog and pony show that is being held here? I got a couple extra. Linda
Quote from: Linda Brown on July 10, 2012, 09:42:05 PM
Anybody need an extra dog for the dog and pony show that is being held here? I got a couple extra. Linda
The poster asked what the difference between two ice cubes in a glass of water and gravity. I explained the difference by referring to the experimental evidence from Voyager which is detecting what is outside of the solar system which is pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward the solar system. What is outside of and is pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward the solar system is the aether which is displaced by the matter the solar system consists of.
When you get to the Earth the aether displaced by the Earth pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward the Earth is gravity.
Quote from: Linda Brown on July 10, 2012, 09:42:05 PM
Anybody need an extra dog for the dog and pony show that is being held here? I got a couple extra. Linda
The postulate Theory as proposed by mpc755 is no more heretical than SQK or QT or HD etc etc ....
It is not just for him to prove the positives....the burden also falls on us to prove the negatives should we be inclined to do so.
If you have proof that invalidates mpc755's theory please feel free to provide it......off the cuff remarks that serve no purpose other than to ridicule members is neither helpful nor desirable.....
In fact it is getting tedious and annoying.
The Mikado effect will no longer be tolerated.
If you feel so strongly about mpc755's thread...the answer is very simple...do not post in it...move along.
Cosmic..
It is not just for him to prove the positives....the burden also falls on us to prove the negatives should we be inclined to do so.
REALLY?
Funny. I haven't seen that happening in the rest of the world around me.... that someone can say one thing....over and over and over again and the rest of the world then has to spend time and energy to prove him incorrect.
No.... it doesn't work like that. What works is as you suggested. Just walk away.
off the cuff remarks that serve no purpose other than to ridicule members is neither helpful nor desirable.....
My remark was not " off the cuff", In fact it had a profound meaning for those that want to spend their time and energy to figure it out.... Oh but wait.... the world doesn't work like that. Does it?
Carry on folks. My dog and I have better shows to watch. Linda
Quote from: Linda Brown on July 10, 2012, 10:21:36 PM
It is not just for him to prove the positives....the burden also falls on us to prove the negatives should we be inclined to do so.
REALLY?
Funny. I haven't seen that happening in the rest of the world around me.... that someone can say one thing....over and over and over again and the rest of the world then has to spend time and energy to prove him incorrect.
No.... it doesn't work like that. What works is as you suggested. Just walk away.
off the cuff remarks that serve no purpose other than to ridicule members is neither helpful nor desirable.....
My remark was not " off the cuff", In fact it had a profound meaning for those that want to spend their time and energy to figure it out.... Oh but wait.... the world doesn't work like that. Does it?
Carry on folks. My dog and I have better shows to watch. Linda
All of the following is evidence aether is displaced by matter. If you have a more correct explanation for any of the following then provide it. If you have any evidence to refute the correct understanding all of the following is evidence aether is displaced by matter then provide it.
Can't, can you?
Do you know why you can't?
Because all of the following
IS evidence aether is displaced by matter.
'NASA's Voyager Hits New Region at Solar System Edge'
http://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2011/dec/HQ_11-402_AGU_Voyager.html
"Voyager is showing that what is outside is pushing back. ... Like cars piling up at a clogged freeway off-ramp, the increased intensity of the magnetic field shows that inward pressure from interstellar space is compacting it."
It is the aether which is displaced by the matter the solar system consists of which is pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward the solar system.
'Offset between dark matter and ordinary matter: evidence from a sample of 38 lensing clusters of galaxies'
http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/1004/1004.1475v1.pdf
"Our data strongly support the idea that the gravitational potential in clusters is mainly due to a non-baryonic fluid, and any exotic field in gravitational theory must resemble that of CDM fields very closely."
The offset is due to the galaxy clusters moving through the aether. The analogy is a submarine moving through the water. You are under water. Two miles away from you are many lights. Moving between you and the lights one mile away is a submarine. The submarine displaces the water. The state of displacement of the water causes the center of the lensing of the light propagating through the water to be offset from the center of the submarine itself. The offset between the center of the lensing of the light propagating through the water displaced by the submarine and the center of the submarine itself is going to remain the same as the submarine moves through the water. The submarine continually displaces different regions of the water. The state of the water connected to and neighboring the submarine remains the same as the submarine moves through the water even though it is not the same water the submarine continually displaces. This is what is occurring physically in nature as the galaxy clusters move through the aether.
'Surprise! IBEX Finds No Bow 'Shock' Outside our Solar System'
http://www.universetoday.com/95094/surprise-ibex-finds-no-bow-shock-outside-our-solar-system/
'"While bow shocks certainly exist ahead of many other stars, we're finding that our Sun's interaction doesn't reach the critical threshold to form a shock," said Dr. David McComas, principal investigator of the IBEX mission, "so a wave is a more accurate depiction of what's happening ahead of our heliosphere — much like the wave made by the bow of a boat as it glides through the water."'
The wave ahead of our heliosphere is an aether displacement wave. This is evidence of a moving 'particle', the solar system, having an associated aether wave.
'Hubble Finds Ghostly Ring of Dark Matter'
http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/hubble/news/dark_matter_ring_feature.html
"Astronomers using NASA's Hubble Space Telescope got a first-hand view of how dark matter behaves during a titanic collision between two galaxy clusters. The wreck created a ripple of dark mater, which is somewhat similar to a ripple formed in a pond when a rock hits the water."
The 'pond' consists of aether. The moving 'particles' are the galaxy clusters. The ripple is an aether displacement wave. The ripple is a gravitational wave. This is also evidence of a moving 'particle', the galaxy clusters, having an associated aether wave.
'Dark Matter Core Defies Explanation in NASA Hubble Image '
http://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2012/mar/HQ_12-068_Hubble_Dark_Core.html
"This technique revealed the dark matter in Abell 520 had collected into a "dark core," containing far fewer galaxies than would be expected if the dark matter and galaxies were anchored together. Most of the galaxies apparently have sailed far away from the collision. "This result is a puzzle," said astronomer James Jee of the University of California in Davis, lead author of paper about the results available online in The Astrophysical Journal. "Dark matter is not behaving as predicted, and it's not obviously clear what is going on. It is difficult to explain this Hubble observation with the current theories of galaxy formation and dark matter.""
The dark matter core does not defy explanation. The dark matter core is not a puzzle. The dark matter core is not difficult to explain. It is obviously clear what is going on.
Dark matter and galaxies are not anchored together. Matter moves through and displaces the aether.
'Giant black hole kicked out of home galaxy'
http://www.astronomy.com/en/News-Observing/News/2012/06/Giant%20black%20hole%20kicked%20out%20of%20home%20galaxy.aspx
"But these new data support the idea that gravitational waves — ripples in the fabric of space first predicted by Albert Einstein but never detected directly — can exert an extremely powerful force."
The fabric of space is the aether.
Gravitational waves are ripples in the aether.
What ripples when galaxy clusters collide is what waves in a double slit experiment; the aether.
Einstein's gravitational wave is de Broglie's pilot-wave.
They are both aether displacement waves.
mpc755.
I would like to know how Aether Displacement relates to the Casimir Effect.
Cosmic..
Quote from: Cosmic4life on July 10, 2012, 10:38:11 PM
mpc755.
I would like to know how Aether Displacement relates to the Casimir Effect.
Cosmic..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casimir_effect#Vacuum_energy
"a "field" in physics may be envisioned as if space were filled with interconnected vibrating balls and springs, and the strength of the field can be visualized as the displacement of a ball from its rest position"
A 'field' in physics is space filled with aether and the strength of the field is the displacement of the aether from its rest position.
Each of the plates in the Casimir effect displace the aether. The displaced aether which exists between the plates is pushing back toward each of the plates which causes the aether displaced by each of the plates which exists between the plates to offset. This aether is more at rest than the aether which is displaced by the plates which encompasses the plates. The reduced force associated with the aether which exists between the plates along with the displaced aether which encompasses the plates which is pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward the plates causes the plates to be forced together.
What occurs physically in nature in the Casimir effect is the same phenomenon as gravity.
Aether is the gravitational field.
'Lorentz violation, Gravity, Dissipation and Holography'
http://arxiv.org/abs/1207.2325
"Few physicists however realized that a new kind of "aether" made it back into physics after 1915, with the general theory of relativity: the gravitational field."
Displaced aether pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward matter is gravity.
Lorentz is bunk, i'll give you that :D
Gravity is a PUSH my Dad was quoted as saying in the nineteen twenties.... You both are saying the same thing.
Show me where your thinking has progressed? Linda
Quote from: PLAYSWITHMACHINES on July 11, 2012, 07:23:14 PM
Lorentz is bunk, i'll give you that :D
Aether is mobile. It's mobility is its state of displacement.
Quote from: Linda Brown on July 11, 2012, 07:29:36 PM
Gravity is a PUSH my Dad was quoted as saying in the nineteen twenties.... You both are saying the same thing.
Show me where your thinking has progressed? Linda
'Ether and the Theory of Relativity by Albert Einstein'
http://www-groups.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~history/Extras/Einstein_ether.html
"the state of the [ether] is at every place determined by connections with the matter and the state of the ether in neighbouring places, ... disregarding the causes which condition its state."
The state of the aether at every place determined by connections with the matter and the state of the aether in neighboring places is the state of displacement of the aether. Aether has mass and physically occupies three dimensional space. Aether is physically displaced by matter. Displaced aether pushes back and exerts inward pressure toward matter.
Displaced aether pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward matter is gravity.
I figured out the role aether plays in relativity.
'Interpretation of quantum mechanics by the double solution theory - Louis de BROGLIE'
http://aflb.ensmp.fr/AFLB-classiques/aflb124p001.pdf
"any particle, even isolated, has to be imagined as in continuous "energetic contact" with a hidden medium"
The hidden medium of de Broglie wave mechanics is the aether. The "energetic contact" is the state of displacement of the aether.
A moving particle has an associated aether displacement wave.
The wave of wave-particle duality is an aether displacement wave.
I have figured out the role aether plays in quantum physics.
I have figured out what waves in relativity.
I have figured out what waves in quantum physics.
What waves in relativity is what waves in quantum physics; the aether.
I have united relativity with quantum physics.
I have united relativity with quantum physics.
My Goodness! Write your paper! Present this to the world! Why are you still here? In fact thats a VERY good question. WHY are you here?
Linda
Quote from: Linda Brown on July 11, 2012, 08:15:38 PM
Why are you still here? In fact thats a VERY good question. WHY are you here?
To present his vision to the world
Just like many others are here
And he only has one thread ;)
Quote from: Linda Brown on July 11, 2012, 08:15:38 PM
I have united relativity with quantum physics.
My Goodness! Write your paper! Present this to the world! Why are you still here? In fact thats a VERY good question. WHY are you here?
Linda
For the most part, mainstream physics is in denial of the existence of the aether.
I need those of us who understand there is an aether to begin discussing the aether using a common language.
I need those of us who understand there is an aether to understand and speak up about there not being any substance referred to as non-baryonic dark matter anchored to matter.
I need those of us who understand there is an aether to understand and speak up about what is presently postulated as non-baryonic dark matter anchored to matter is actually the aether which matter moves through and displaces.
I need those of us who understand there is an aether to understand and speak up about aether has mass, physically occupies three dimensional space and is physically displaced by matter.
I need those of us who understand there is an aether to understand and speak up about displaced aether pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward matter being gravity.
I need those of us who understand there is an aether to understand and speak up about the wave of wave-particle duality being an aether wave.
I need those of us who understand there is an aether to understand and speak up about aether displacement being the most correct explanation of what occurs physically in nature.
Thats the first progress I have seen here.
And Zorgon.... yes.... I agree with you that having the ability to be here and speak up is important!
However it should be at least noted that this conversation has gone in circles so many times I think (as well as others) that this has been primarily just a sort of intellectual sinkhole... intentionally placed here.
Could that be possible????
But maybe there is hope for it after all?
Nice turn MPC. Now lets see if anyone actually answers you. Linda
Quote from: hobbit on July 12, 2012, 07:48:20 AM
no comment...well ...boring.
hobbit
'Dark Matter Core Defies Explanation in NASA Hubble Image '
http://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2012/mar/HQ_12-068_Hubble_Dark_Core.html
"This technique revealed the dark matter in Abell 520 had collected into a "dark core," containing far fewer galaxies than would be expected if the dark matter and galaxies were anchored together. Most of the galaxies apparently have sailed far away from the collision. "This result is a puzzle," said astronomer James Jee of the University of California in Davis, lead author of paper about the results available online in The Astrophysical Journal. "Dark matter is not behaving as predicted, and it's not obviously clear what is going on. It is difficult to explain this Hubble observation with the current theories of galaxy formation and dark matter.""
The dark matter core does not defy explanation. The dark matter core is not a puzzle. The dark matter core is not difficult to explain. It is obviously clear what is going on.
Dark matter and galaxies are not anchored together. There is no such thing as non-baryonic dark matter traveling with matter.
Aether has mass. Matter moves through and displaces the aether.
I look forward to your more correct explanation.
Quote from: mpc755 on July 12, 2012, 01:15:28 PM
'Dark Matter Core Defies Explanation in NASA Hubble Image '
http://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2012/mar/HQ_12-068_Hubble_Dark_Core.html
"This technique revealed the dark matter in Abell 520 had collected into a "dark core," containing far fewer galaxies than would be expected if the dark matter and galaxies were anchored together. Most of the galaxies apparently have sailed far away from the collision. "This result is a puzzle," said astronomer James Jee of the University of California in Davis, lead author of paper about the results available online in The Astrophysical Journal. "Dark matter is not behaving as predicted, and it's not obviously clear what is going on. It is difficult to explain this Hubble observation with the current theories of galaxy formation and dark matter.""
The dark matter core does not defy explanation. The dark matter core is not a puzzle. The dark matter core is not difficult to explain. It is obviously clear what is going on.
Dark matter and galaxies are not anchored together. There is no such thing as non-baryonic dark matter traveling with matter.
Aether has mass. Matter moves through and displaces the aether.
I look forward to your more correct explanation.
The quote was nothing to do with You mpc.
I welcome at last You requesting others theories on the aether...
"I look forward to your more correct explanation"
I do not doubt at all that there is a net inrush into this planet, whereas there could be a net outrush from the sun?
It is the methodology of how this occurs where I for one would offer additional theory relative to what You have pounded at us so much( which fits Your theory funnily enough??)
There are plenty here who as they origonally said at the beginning of this thread see great merit in where You are going, but You are alienating them by repeating parrot fashion the self same sentences.
We are Your friends.
hobbit
Quote from: hobbit on July 12, 2012, 03:35:22 PM
The quote was nothing to do with You mpc.
I welcome at last You requesting others theories on the aether...
"I look forward to your more correct explanation"
I do not doubt at all that there is a net inrush into this planet, whereas there could be a net outrush from the sun?
It is the methodology of how this occurs where I for one would offer additional theory relative to what You have pounded at us so much( which fits Your theory funnily enough??)
There are plenty here who as they origonally said at the beginning of this thread see great merit in where You are going, but You are alienating them by repeating parrot fashion the self same sentences.
We are Your friends.
hobbit
There is no net outrush from the Sun.
What you are referring to as the inrush to this planet is the force associated with the aether displaced by the Earth which is pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward the Earth.
Until you understand aether displacement is correct and correctly explains what occurs physically in nature to cause gravity and the observed behaviors in a double slit experiment you are not helping.
You are more interested in your own notions than in understanding what this thread is about.
I am explaining to you why there is a dark matter core.
'Dark Matter Core Defies Explanation in NASA Hubble Image '
http://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2012/mar/HQ_12-068_Hubble_Dark_Core.html
"This technique revealed the dark matter in Abell 520 had collected into a "dark core," containing far fewer galaxies than would be expected if the dark matter and galaxies were anchored together. Most of the galaxies apparently have sailed far away from the collision. "This result is a puzzle," said astronomer James Jee of the University of California in Davis, lead author of paper about the results available online in The Astrophysical Journal. "Dark matter is not behaving as predicted, and it's not obviously clear what is going on. It is difficult to explain this Hubble observation with the current theories of galaxy formation and dark matter.""
The dark matter core does not defy explanation. The dark matter core is not a puzzle. The dark matter core is not difficult to explain. It is obviously clear what is going on.
Dark matter and galaxies are not anchored together. There is no such thing as non-baryonic dark matter traveling with matter.
Aether has mass. Matter moves through and displaces the aether.
The analogy are two boats which pass by each other closely. Their bow waves interact and slosh back and forth.
'Slosh' may not be an entirely accurate analogy since the aether is, or behaves similar to, a superfluid with properties of a solid; an incompressible fluid. However, the analogy is correct in describing the boats as moving through and displacing the water.
You need to understand I correctly understand why there is a dark matter core.
Moderators: Can this thread be moved out of Linda's area or can I start a thread titled 'Aether Displacement' in another area and have this thread locked or deleted?
Linda: I hope you will continue to participate in this thread. However, now that I realize it is under your area I do not think this is the correct place for it.
Quote from: mpc755 on July 12, 2012, 05:05:11 PM
Moderators: Can this thread be moved out of Linda's area or can I start a thread titled 'Aether Displacement' in another area and have this thread locked or deleted?
Linda: I hope you will continue to participate in this thread. However, now that I realize it is under your area I do not think this is the correct place for it.
The thread will be moved.
All members: Please refrain from discussing each other and stick to the topic of the thread.
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=1853.0
I absolutely agree.
( I wrote before this little note... messages crossing in the aether!)
"All members: Please refrain from discussing each other and stick to the topic of the thread. We were, properly tending to business here....I thought.... weren't we???? I note that my earlier thread was removed. I had simply restated his first statement on this thread so that we could talk about THAT. I believe that was proper. And you say that was a PERSONAL conversation? I post a complaint on that.
But MPC has asked for the thread to be moved which I guess solves the entire problem.
Linda
If anyone is finding this thread for the first time and wonders what aether displacement is all about I suggest you read the first post and the following.
'Dark Matter Core Defies Explanation in NASA Hubble Image '
http://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2012/mar/HQ_12-068_Hubble_Dark_Core.html
"This technique revealed the dark matter in Abell 520 had collected into a "dark core," containing far fewer galaxies than would be expected if the dark matter and galaxies were anchored together. Most of the galaxies apparently have sailed far away from the collision. "This result is a puzzle," said astronomer James Jee of the University of California in Davis, lead author of paper about the results available online in The Astrophysical Journal. "Dark matter is not behaving as predicted, and it's not obviously clear what is going on. It is difficult to explain this Hubble observation with the current theories of galaxy formation and dark matter.""
The dark matter core does not defy explanation. The dark matter core is not a puzzle. The dark matter core is not difficult to explain. It is obviously clear what is going on.
Dark matter and galaxies are not anchored together. There is no such thing as non-baryonic dark matter traveling with matter.
Aether has mass. Matter moves through and displaces the aether.
The analogy are two boats which pass by each other closely. Their bow waves interact and the water sloshes back and forth.
'Sloshes' may not be an entirely accurate analogy since the aether is, or behaves similar to, a superfluid with properties of a solid; a supersolid. However, the analogy is correct in describing the boats as moving through and displacing the water. The galaxies are moving through and displacing the aether.
'Dark matter scaffolding of universe detected for the first time'
http://www.astronomy.com/en/News-Observing/News/2012/07/Dark%20matter%20scaffolding%20of%20universe%20detected%20for%20the%20first%20time.aspx
"It looks like there's a bridge that shows that there is additional mass beyond what the clusters contain," he said. "The clusters alone cannot explain this additional mass."
What exists between the galaxy clusters is aether. Aether has mass.
The galaxy clusters are not traveling with non-baryonic dark matter. The galaxy clusters are moving through and displacing the aether.
Hi all! Marvelous mind candy being shared here!!! I do accept the existence of an aether/ether, but was wondering...
If a particle is a standing wave, isn't saying that matter displaces aether is like saying a wave displaces the ocean?
I think it is something like this...
Particle is to aether as wave is to ocean. Not separate, always connected, all is one.
If matter displaces aether, then how do you account for inertia and gravity which affects every particle/atom of matter of an object to it's core. I think we need to keep in mind that after an object accelerates to a steady speed, then the G(gravity) force subsides to zero. Seat of the pants stuff! lol If there was constant resistance from a displaced aether, then the G force would not subside, but increase as speed increases. All matter is never apart from its source, the aether. Inertia is stored in the aether(space). IMHO that connection is the source of mass, inertia and gravity and more. Or I could just have toooo much free time on my hands!!!! lol
COSMO
By the way...that's my dog's name! : )
Halloloooya!
Gold for you Cosmo!
Well put new member!
Cheers!
Littleenki
Quote from: COSMO on July 14, 2012, 01:07:39 AM
Hi all! Marvelous mind candy being shared here!!! I do accept the existence of an aether/ether, but was wondering...
If a particle is a standing wave, isn't saying that matter displaces aether is like saying a wave displaces the ocean?
The moving particle has an associated aether wave.
Quote
I think it is something like this...
Particle is to aether as wave is to ocean. Not separate, always connected, all is one.
If matter displaces aether, then how do you account for inertia and gravity which affects every particle/atom of matter of an object to it's core. I think we need to keep in mind that after an object accelerates to a steady speed, then the G(gravity) force subsides to zero. Seat of the pants stuff! lol If there was constant resistance from a displaced aether, then the G force would not subside, but increase as speed increases. All matter is never apart from its source, the aether. Inertia is stored in the aether(space). IMHO that connection is the source of mass, inertia and gravity and more. Or I could just have toooo much free time on my hands!!!! lol
COSMO
By the way...that's my dog's name! : )
The better analogy is a boat made of ice moving through the water. The boat is made of condensations of liquid water. The boat is connected to the water. However, the boat moves through and displaces the water. The water is not anchored to the boat. The boat has a bow wave. The bow wave is the boat's water displacement wave.
A particle of matter moves through the aether. A particle of matter is made of condensations of aether. The particle of matter is connected to the aether. The particle moves through and displaces the aether. The particle of matter is not anchored to the aether. The moving particle has an associated aether displacement wave.
Quote from: mpc755 on July 14, 2012, 03:18:18 AM
A particle of matter moves through the aether. A particle of matter is made of condensations of aether. The particle of matter is connected to the aether. The particle moves through and displaces the aether. The particle of matter is not anchored to the aether. The moving particle has an associated aether displacement wave.
I said I wasn't going to post here again but what the heck.
Mass is the amount of "Condensations of the Aether"
Lead is a greater condensation than aluminum.
Mikado
Quote from: Mikado on July 14, 2012, 04:29:57 AM
I said I wasn't going to post here again but what the heck.
Mass is the amount of "Condensations of the Aether"
Lead is a greater condensation than aluminum.
Mikado
Mass is that which physically occupies three dimensional space.
Aether and matter have mass.
Matter is condensations of aether.
Lead has more mass than aluminum because it contains more condensed aether per volume.
Quote from: mpc755 on July 14, 2012, 05:09:39 AM
Mass is that which physically occupies three dimensional space.
Aether and matter have mass.
Matter is condensations of aether.
Lead has more mass than aluminum because it contains more condensed aether per volume.
And that is what I said. Thanks for confirming.
Wow! I got GOLD!!!! Are we working with ounces here??? lol How do I cash in???
Hey, thanks Littleenki, so...when is you father coming back??? How DO they steer that planet?? They must signal for a turn a lllooonnnggg way off!!! lol
Mikado,
We are still talking theories right??? I prefer to think of it like this...
All matter is still quite active at the atomic and subatomic level. Your ice boat is really made up of a whole LOT of little waves...but waves in the aether none the less, dynamic, not static. If ice was to to water as matter is to ether, then the G force would not be exerted through the whole body of mass and gravity does not act on just the surface of an object, but on EVERY particle. If G force is generated by aether displacement, then G force would on be felt only on the surface of your ice boat and would INCREASE as speed increased. But in real world that clearly does not happen. Each and every little wave is always connected to the ether. I don't think of it as a condensation, but more like an extension of aether from the subatomic level all the way up to larger(macro) objects, such as your ice boat. But that's just a theory.....lol I think Tesla said that inertia was the result of micro-helices in the aether...think I read that in Bill Lyne's book. BBBrrrrr...ice boats....cold way to sail!!!!
Cosmo
Quote from: Mikado on July 14, 2012, 05:14:50 AM
And that is what I said. Thanks for confirming.
That's not what you said.
You said, "Mass is the amount of "Condensations of the Aether""
Aether has mass. Aether does not have to be condensed in order for there to be mass.
If you understand aether itself has mass then what you were trying to say is better said as the following.
The more particles of matter, which are "condensations of the aether", which exist within a volume the greater the mass of the volume. Even if there are no particles of matter within the volume there is still mass in the volume because the volume will contain aether which has mass.
Quote from: COSMO on July 14, 2012, 05:16:09 AM
Wow! I got GOLD!!!! Are we working with ounces here??? lol How do I cash in???
Hey, thanks Littleenki, so...when is you father coming back??? How DO they steer that planet?? They must signal for a turn a lllooonnnggg way off!!! lol
Mikado,
We are still talking theories right??? I prefer to think of it like this...
All matter is still quite active at the atomic and subatomic level. Your ice boat is really made up of a whole LOT of little waves...but waves in the aether none the less, dynamic, not static. If ice was to to water as matter is to ether, then the G force would not be exerted through the whole body of mass and gravity does not act on just the surface of an object, but on EVERY particle. If G force is generated by aether displacement, then G force would on be felt only on the surface of your ice boat and would INCREASE as speed increased. But in real world that clearly does not happen. Each and every little wave is always connected to the ether. I don't think of it as a condensation, but more like an extension of aether from the subatomic level all the way up to larger(macro) objects, such as your ice boat. But that's just a theory.....lol I think Tesla said that inertia was the result of micro-helices in the aether...think I read that in Bill Lyne's book. BBBrrrrr...ice boats....cold way to sail!!!!
Cosmo
The ice boat analogy is mine.
The closer to the center of the Earth you get the more displaced aether there is pushing down and exerting inward pressure toward you.
There is more displaced aether pushing down and exerting pressure toward you at the center of the Earth than there is at the surface of the Earth. There is more displaced aether pushing down and exerting inward pressure toward the surface of the Earth than there is at the top of a mountain.
Quote from: mpc755 on July 14, 2012, 05:28:25 AM
That's not what you said.
You said, "Mass is the amount of "Condensations of the Aether""
Aether has mass. Aether does not have to be condensed in order for there to be mass.
If you understand aether itself has mass then what you were trying to say is better said as the following.
The more particles of matter, which are "condensations of the aether", which exist within a volume the greater the mass of the volume. Even if there are no particles of matter within the volume there is still mass in the volume because the volume will contain aether which has mass.
But that is what I said.
In physics as taught, Mass is the density of matter, therefore, speaking in just terms of matter as mass, then the greater the mass the greater the condensations.
Mikado
Quote from: Mikado on July 14, 2012, 05:42:35 AM
But that is what I said.
In physics as taught, Mass is the density of matter, therefore, speaking in just terms of matter as mass, then the greater the mass the greater the condensations.
Mikado
Mass is not the density of matter.
Speaking in just terms of matter as mass is incorrect.
Aether has mass.
Even if a region of three dimensional space contains no particles of matter it still has mass because it contains aether.
Quote from: mpc755 on July 14, 2012, 05:49:51 AM
Mass is not the density of matter.
Speaking in just terms of matter as mass is incorrect.
Aether has mass.
Even if a region of three dimensional space contains no particles of matter it still has mass because it contains aether.
It is in classical physics and if you can't understand that then how do you expect to be taken seriously with you rationalized theory?
The density of matter is called Mass in physics.
Mikado
Quote from: Mikado on July 14, 2012, 05:52:52 AM
It is in classical physics and if you can't understand that then how do you expect to be taken seriously with you rationalized theory?
The density of matter is called Mass in physics.
Mikado
One of the main points of what I am proposing is that there is no such thing as non-baryonic dark matter anchored to matter.
What is mistaken to be non-baryonic dark matter traveling with matter is the aether which matter moves through and displaces.
"Einstein's 'First Paper'"
http://www.worldscibooks.com/etextbook/4454/4454_chap1.pdf
"The velocity of a wave is proportional to the square root of the elastic forces which cause [its] propagation, and inversely proportional to the mass of the aether moved by these forces."
The velocity of a wave is proportional to the square root of the elastic forces which cause its propagation, and inversely proportional to the mass of the aether displaced by these forces.
There was a time in 'physics' when it was insisted the Earth was stationary. Must we stick with that understanding in order to be taken seriously?
In aether displacement, mass is defined as that which physically occupies three dimensional space.
Aether has mass.
Aether having mass is what allows it to physically occupy three dimensional space, be physically displaced by matter and to push back and exert inward pressure toward matter; which is gravity.
Aether having mass is what allows it to be displaced into the form of a wave by a moving particle.
Aether having mass is what allows it to be the wave of wave-particle duality.
Amici, what about to measure real distances to the Stars? ::)
Quote from: SarK0Y on July 14, 2012, 01:01:16 PM
Amici, what about to measure real distances to the Stars? ::)
You have to take into account the state of displacement of the aether.
Curved spacetime is displaced aether.
Quote from: mpc755 on July 14, 2012, 03:14:06 PM
You have to take into account the state of displacement of the aether.
Curved spacetime is displaced aether.
Mpc755, to measure distances 4 one object from different sites makes possible to figure out at least a little how ether runs. 4 instance, let's take points A B C, we know AB & AC distances + angle BAC is known to us too, so no trouble to calculate canonical BC. but if theoretical BC gets unpredictable delta with real one -- no doubt, Space out there has warps or dusted locations.
Quote from: SarK0Y on July 14, 2012, 05:42:24 PM
Mpc755, to measure distances 4 one object from different sites makes possible to figure out at least a little how ether runs. 4 instance, let's take points A B C, we know AB & AC distances + angle BAC is known to us too, so no trouble to calculate canonical BC. but if theoretical BC gets unpredictable delta with real one -- no doubt, Space out there has warps or dusted locations.
The warps are the state of displacement of the aether.
Quote from: mpc755 on July 14, 2012, 06:32:09 PM
The warps are the state of displacement of the aether.
Mpc755, i no'm about to've contradicted your statement, but only did add the technique to deal with such a mystic entity like ether is ;)
Quote from: SarK0Y on July 14, 2012, 07:36:10 PM
Mpc755, i no'm about to've contradicted your statement, but only did add the technique to deal with such a mystic entity like ether is ;)
We are both discussing the state of displacement of the aether.
The reason why aether is displaced by matter is because it has mass and physically occupies three dimensional space.
Aether displacement describes the role aether plays in general relativity.
Aether displacement describes the role aether plays in quantum physics.
Aether displacement unifies relativity and quantum mechanics.
Einstein's gravitational wave is de Broglie's pilot-wave.
They are both aether displacement waves.
Quote from: mpc755 on July 14, 2012, 09:04:13 PM
We are both discussing the state of displacement of the aether.
The reason why aether is displaced by matter is because it has mass and physically occupies three dimensional space.
Aether displacement describes the role aether plays in general relativity.
Aether displacement describes the role aether plays in quantum physics.
Aether displacement unifies relativity and quantum mechanics.
Einstein's gravitational wave is de Broglie's pilot-wave.
They are both aether displacement waves.
i'm not sure ether has mass because gravity ain't only force.
Quote from: SarK0Y on July 14, 2012, 09:18:19 PM
i'm not sure ether has mass because gravity ain't only force.
The notion of non-baryonic dark matter traveling with matter is incorrect. There is not such thing as non-baryonic dark matter anchored to matter.
What is presently postulated as non-baryonic dark matter which travels with matter is actually the aether which matter moves through and displaces.
'Dark matter' has now been detected between galaxy clusters.
'Dark matter scaffolding of universe detected for the first time'
http://www.astronomy.com/en/News-Observing/News/2012/07/Dark%20matter%20scaffolding%20of%20universe%20detected%20for%20the%20first%20time.aspx
"It looks like there's a bridge that shows that there is additional mass beyond what the clusters contain," he said. "The clusters alone cannot explain this additional mass."
'Dark matter' has also been detected not anchored to galaxies which refutes the notion dark matter is anchored to matter.
'Dark Matter Core Defies Explanation in NASA Hubble Image'
http://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2012/mar/HQ_12-068_Hubble_Dark_Core.html
"This technique revealed the dark matter in Abell 520 had collected into a "dark core," containing far fewer galaxies than would be expected if the dark matter and galaxies were anchored together. Most of the galaxies apparently have sailed far away from the collision. "This result is a puzzle," said astronomer James Jee of the University of California in Davis, lead author of paper about the results available online in The Astrophysical Journal. "Dark matter is not behaving as predicted, and it's not obviously clear what is going on. It is difficult to explain this Hubble observation with the current theories of galaxy formation and dark matter.""
The dark matter core does not defy explanation. The dark matter core is not a puzzle. The dark matter core is not difficult to explain. It is obviously clear what is going on.
Dark matter and galaxies are not anchored together. There is no such thing as non-baryonic dark matter traveling with matter.
The analogy are two boats which pass by each other closely. Their bow waves interact and the water sloshes back and forth.
'Sloshes' may not be an entirely accurate analogy since the aether is, or behaves similar to, a superfluid with properties of a solid; a supersolid. However, the analogy is correct in describing the boats as moving through and displacing the water. The galaxies are moving through and displacing the aether.
All of the evidence is evidence there is no such thing as non-baryonic dark matter anchored to matter. All of the evidence is evidence aether has mass and matter moves through and displaces the aether.
Aether having mass is what allows it to physically occupy three dimensional space, be physically displaced by matter and to push back and exert inward pressure toward matter; which is gravity.
Aether having mass is what allows it to be displaced into the form of a wave by a moving particle.
Aether having mass is what allows it to be the wave of wave-particle duality.
Robert B. Laughlin, Nobel Laureate in Physics, endowed chair in physics, Stanford University said the following.
"It is ironic that Einstein's most creative work, the general theory of relativity, should boil down to conceptualizing space as a medium when his original premise [in special relativity] was that no such medium existed [..] The word 'ether' has extremely negative connotations in theoretical physics because of its past association with opposition to relativity. This is unfortunate because, stripped of these connotations, it rather nicely captures the way most physicists actually think about the vacuum. . . . Relativity actually says nothing about the existence or nonexistence of matter pervading the universe, only that any such matter must have relativistic symmetry. [..] It turns out that such matter exists.
Matter has mass. Describing the aether as matter is ascribing mass to the aether.
"About the time relativity was becoming accepted, studies of radioactivity began showing that the empty vacuum of space had spectroscopic structure similar to that of ordinary quantum solids and fluids. Subsequent studies with large particle accelerators have now led us to understand that space is more like a piece of window glass than ideal Newtonian emptiness. It is filled with 'stuff' that is normally transparent but can be made visible by hitting it sufficiently hard to knock out a part.
'Stuff' has mass. Describing aether as 'stuff' is ascribing mass to the aether.
"The modern concept of the vacuum of space, confirmed every day by experiment, is a relativistic ether. But we do not call it this because it is taboo."
'Empty Space is not Empty!'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4D6qY2c0Z8
"Why does nothing weigh something"
'Nothing' weighs something because aether has mass.
"Most of the mass of the proton comes not from the quarks within a proton but from the empty space between the quarks"
The empty space in a proton consists of aether.
Aether has mass.
The rate at which an atomic clock ticks is determined by the state of the aether in which it exists. The faster a clock moves with respect to the state of the aether in which it exists the more aether the clock displaces. The more aether the clock displaces the more the aether pushes back and exerts inward pressure toward the clock. The greater the aether pushes back and exerts inward pressure toward the clock the slower the clock ticks.
The rate at which an atomic clock ticks is a physical process determined by the physical state of the aether in which it exists, which is the state of displacement of the aether.
I do agree with some of your observations but could you please explain inertia.
Quote from: COSMO on July 23, 2012, 04:30:12 PM
I do agree with some of your observations but could you please explain inertia.
The aether is, or behaves similar to, a superfluid with properties of a solid; a supersolid.
As an object moves through the aether the object displaces the ether. The object requires energy to displace the aether. The aether returns to the object the same amount of energy as the aether 'displaces back'. There is no loss of energy in the interaction of the object and the aether.
You are in a bowling alley. The lane is made of a supersolid strong enough to support the bowling ball. The bowling alley is filled with a superfluid. You roll the bowling ball toward the pins. The bowling ball displaces the superfluid as the bowling ball rolls along on top of the supersolid. The bowling ball requires energy to displace the superfluid. The superfluid returns to the bowling ball the same amount of energy as the superfluid 'displaces back'.
There is no loss of energy in the interaction of the bowling ball and the superfluid and the bowling ball rolls forever.
Considering that analogy, wouldn't the resistance only act on the surface of the bowling ball if it is displacing ether? Same with gravity, if the bowling is displacing ether, then gravity would only act of the surface of an object.
Quote from: COSMO on July 23, 2012, 05:25:13 PM
Considering that analogy, wouldn't the resistance only act on the surface of the bowling ball if it is displacing ether? Same with gravity, if the bowling is displacing ether, then gravity would only act of the surface of an object.
Aether exists where particles of matter do not. So if we are discussing the Earth which is traveling through the aether, aether exists where the particles of matter do not throughout the Earth. Where the particles of matter the Earth consists of exist, the aether is displaced. This causes the displaced aether which exists external to the Earth to push back and exert inward pressure toward, and throughout, the Earth.
If aether exists where particles are not, then how can aether have mass?
Mass is made up of particles.
Aether is mass, and aether is particles, one in the same.
Fruit in the cake, beans in the broth, but all one and nothing connected.
Glass casting is forming a mass from particles, they are one and yet are a liquid, but their atoms never touch. Is the glass separate from the aether around it...of course it is, yet it is part of the whole, a whole which contains everything everywhere and appears separate beause of aether density.
Aether density decides what appears to be mass and what doesnt.
The bowling ball is the same as the aether, just more dense. It doesnt move either.
Nothing moves, it relocates through memory field interaction in a holographic universe.
ALL is one, and one is ALL
Yet nothing touches.hmmmm, sounds like a quagmire of unexpalinable physics, eh?
And thats what GOD is...life and its unexplainable unobservable light.
Sorry, mpc, had to chime in, with respect of course for your views.
Careful Cosmo, its deep in here!:-)
Le
Quote from: Littleenki on July 23, 2012, 08:07:50 PM
If aether exists where particles are not, then how can aether have mass?
Mass is made up of particles.
Aether is mass, and aether is particles, one in the same.
Fruit in the cake, beans in the broth, but all one and nothing connected.
Glass casting is forming a mass from particles, they are one and yet are a liquid, but their atoms never touch. Is the glass separate from the aether around it...of course it is, yet it is part of the whole, a whole which contains everything everywhere and appears separate beause of aether density.
Aether density decides what appears to be mass and what doesnt.
The bowling ball is the same as the aether, just more dense. It doesnt move either.
Nothing moves, it relocates through memory field interaction in a holographic universe.
ALL is one, and one is ALL
Yet nothing touches.hmmmm, sounds like a quagmire of unexpalinable physics, eh?
And thats what GOD is...life and its unexplainable unobservable light.
Sorry, mpc, had to chime in, with respect of course for your views.
Careful Cosmo, its deep in here!:-)
Le
Aether and matter are different states of the same material.
Aether and matter have mass.
Matter is condensations of aether.
Quote from: Littleenki on July 23, 2012, 08:07:50 PM
If aether exists where particles are not, then how can aether have mass?
Mass is made up of particles.
Aether is mass, and aether is particles, one in the same.
Fruit in the cake, beans in the broth, but all one and nothing connected.
Glass casting is forming a mass from particles, they are one and yet are a liquid, but their atoms never touch. Is the glass separate from the aether around it...of course it is, yet it is part of the whole, a whole which contains everything everywhere and appears separate beause of aether density.
Aether density decides what appears to be mass and what doesnt.
The bowling ball is the same as the aether, just more dense. It doesnt move either.
Nothing moves, it relocates through memory field interaction in a holographic universe.
ALL is one, and one is ALL
Yet nothing touches.hmmmm, sounds like a quagmire of unexpalinable physics, eh?
And thats what GOD is...life and its unexplainable unobservable light.
Sorry, mpc, had to chime in, with respect of course for your views.
Careful Cosmo, its deep in here!:-)
Le
Yes Le, but some of go where the rest fear to tread! I'm up to my eyeballs in ether!!!! Yes, a quagmire, an enigma wrapped in a conundrum, but I DO see the clear and simple model.
Matter, which has mass is nothing more than ether in movement.
Not condensed. When ether is placid it is NOT observable except by it's gravitation influence, and it acts on EVERY particle/wave of matter/energy.
I guess it can be talked about in terms of memory fields, but I kind of see that as a way that standard physics explains it without really explaining it. What exactly is memory made out of anyway? The perfect analogy is waves on the surface of the ocean.....yep here he goes with the wave thing again! But consider the storm 1000 miles to sea that drives in the monstrous waves on the north shore of Hawaii.(lived there 3 years brah!!!) It is not the water from the storm that reaches the beach but merely the ENERGY of the motion being transferred and creating the waves until they hit the shore. That is what memory is, energy transferred in a 2 dimensional medium, that creates WAVES/PARTICLES. We can't observe this transfer because we are 3 dimensional beings, it looks like MAGIC!!! Hey....let's call it information!!! Oh, that's already been done! :D :D :D :D
Quote from: COSMO on July 24, 2012, 01:23:49 AM
Yes Le, but some of go where the rest fear to tread! I'm up to my eyeballs in ether!!!! Yes, a quagmire, an enigma wrapped in a conundrum, but I DO see the clear and simple model.
Matter, which has mass is nothing more than ether in movement.
Not condensed. When ether is placid it is NOT observable except by it's gravitation influence, and it acts on EVERY particle/wave of matter/energy.
I guess it can be talked about in terms of memory fields, but I kind of see that as a way that standard physics explains it without really explaining it. What exactly is memory made out of anyway? The perfect analogy is waves on the surface of the ocean.....yep here he goes with the wave thing again! But consider the storm 1000 miles to sea that drives in the monstrous waves on the north shore of Hawaii.(lived there 3 years brah!!!) It is not the water from the storm that reaches the beach but merely the ENERGY of the motion being transferred and creating the waves until they hit the shore. That is what memory is, energy transferred in a 2 dimensional medium, that creates WAVES/PARTICLES. We can't observe this transfer because we are 3 dimensional beings, it looks like MAGIC!!! Hey....let's call it information!!! Oh, that's already been done! :D :D :D :D
Non-baryonic dark matter has been found not to be anchored to matter.
Q. What is the difference between non-baryonic dark matter which is not anchored to matter and aether?
A. Nothing.
Aether has mass. Aether physically occupies three dimensional space. Aether is not anchored to matter. Matter moves through and displaces the aether.
Displaced aether pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward matter is gravity.
A moving particle has an associated aether displacement wave. In a double slit experiment the moving particle travels through a single slit while the associated aether wave passes through both.
'What fills space? - Craig Hogan, director of the Center for Particle Astrophysics'
http://www.fnal.gov/pub/today/
"For example, the Higgs field is much weirder than the comparisons with molasses or crowds suggest, since it does not actually drag or impede particles, but still somehow shares its mass with them."
"the Higgs field ... shares its mass with [particles of matter]"
Now the Higgs field has mass.
Aether has mass.
Matter is condensations of aether.
'Concerning CERN: Cliff Burgess on the discovery of the Higgs boson'
http://phys.org/news/2012-07-cern-cliff-burgess-discovery-higgs.html
"At CERN they have just provided the first experimental evidence that this picture of the vacuum having physical properties is right. They did so by exciting a wave in the vacuum, which in their experiment looks like a new type of particle."
At CERN they have just provided the first experimental evidence that this picture of the vacuum having physical properties is right. They did so by exciting a wave in the aether, which in their experiment looks like a new type of particle.
"You can think of the whole picture as an analogy where elementary particles are replaced by fish. Suppose you were interested in the properties of fish and how they move and why some fish move faster than others given the same amount of effort. This would be very hard if you did not understand what water was. In order to understand properly the motion of fish, you must first also understand the environment through which they move. Now, those who study fish never doubted the existence of water because, unlike the fish, scientists do not live in it. If you were the first to propose that water existed, it might be a harder sell since everyone would take it for granted. The acid test would be to move the water, or to excite a water wave, since that would show that there was something "there" besides just fish. So the radical theoretical proposal is that we are all moving through a medium, and it is the properties of this medium that partially control the behaviour of elementary particles. Again the acid test is to perturb the vacuum and excite a wave in it. This is what the experiments at CERN seem to have done for the very first time."
So it is obvious that we are all moving through the aether, and it is the properties of this aether that partially control the behaviour of elementary particles. Again the acid test is to perturb the aether and excite a wave in it.
Something which is done every time a double slit experiment is performed.
'Plenty of dark matter near the Sun'
http://www.astronomy.com/~/link.aspx?_id=874895de-75ba-46c5-9a39-7d614a94fcf5
What is thought to be a change in the density of the dark matter is the state of displacement of the aether.
i use to be an a/c tech and come up with the theory that there is no such thing as an absolute vacuum.if this is true then a hydrogen atom should be able to expand forever.but what is inside?my theory i a bottomless pit.eventually the higgs will be split in half using double slit.etc.into infinity.
the question to ask is what is nature.the particles all want to be atoms.whether the atom is ripped apart down to the higgs or pyled onto till we have universes.the normal state everything eventually reverts back to atom state.
Quote from: robomont on August 13, 2012, 08:20:16 AM
i use to be an a/c tech and come up with the theory that there is no such thing as an absolute vacuum.if this is true then a hydrogen atom should be able to expand forever.but what is inside?my theory i a bottomless pit.eventually the higgs will be split in half using double slit.etc.into infinity.
the question to ask is what is nature.the particles all want to be atoms.whether the atom is ripped apart down to the higgs or pyled onto till we have universes.the normal state everything eventually reverts back to atom state.
Aether has mass.
Particles of matter are condensations of aether.
When a nuclear bomb explodes matter evaporates into aether. The evaporation is energy. Mass is conserved.
can you mathematically show your theory in a "theory of everything" equation?
Quote from: robomont on August 13, 2012, 02:01:12 PM
can you mathematically show your theory in a "theory of everything" equation?
The mathematics already exist in general relativity and de Broglie's wave mechanics.
What I have figured out is what Einstein was referring to as the state of the ether and what de Broglie referred to as the energetic contact with a hidden medium.
'Ether and the Theory of Relativity by Albert Einstein'
http://www-groups.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~history/Extras/Einstein_ether.html
"the state of the [ether] is at every place determined by connections with the matter and the state of the ether in neighbouring places, ... disregarding the causes which condition its state."
The state of the aether at every place determined by connections with the matter and the state of the aether in neighboring places is the state of displacement of the aether.
'Interpretation of quantum mechanics by the double solution theory - Louis de BROGLIE'
http://aflb.ensmp.fr/AFLB-classiques/aflb124p001.pdf
"any particle, even isolated, has to be imagined as in continuous "energetic contact" with a hidden medium"
The "energetic contact" is the state of displacement of the aether.
'An Extended Dynamical Equation of Motion, Phase Dependency and Inertial Backreaction'
http://arxiv.org/abs/1208.3458
"we provide further evidence of the "fluidic" nature of space itself. This "back-reaction" is quantified by the tendency of angular momentum flux threading across a surface."
"When a system is subject to a sudden change of velocity or direction of motion, there appears an induction force that opposes such a change. This induction force is related to the inertia of bodies. The previous discussion implies that a nonuniform motion of a body that is under observation from a frame of reference (inertial or noninertial), undergoes real physical changes due to the intrinsic properties of the physical vacuum, its polarizability and backreaction inductive term. The inductive term can be identi ed with the Berry's geometric phase acquired over the course of a cycle, when the system is subjected to cyclic adiabatic processes. As for the electromagnetic eld, the inductive e ect is local and referred to absolute space, apparently countering Mach's viewpoint [10]. This work reveals a new concept of unity among the fundamental physics that govern classical mechanics and electrodynamics, from macroscopic to microscopic scales."
What the article refers to as "back-reaction" is the displaced aether pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward matter.
The Milky Way's halo is the state of displacement of the aether.
Curved spacetime is the state of displacement of the aether.
The Milky Way's halo is curved spacetime.
The following is an image of the state displacement of the aether.
The following is an image of curved spacetime.
(http://bccp.berkeley.edu/Images/darkmattermap.jpg)
I'd like a physics expert to answer two questions of mine about the idea of aether:
It seems to me that the whole notion of virtual particles creates an aether, a medium in space.
There is such a thing as antenna resistance or radiation resistance in RF design - normally about 318 ohms in free space. If something is resisting, how could an aether not exist?
Quote from: Eighthman on September 08, 2012, 02:46:05 PM
I'd like a physics expert to answer two questions of mine about the idea of aether:
It seems to me that the whole notion of virtual particles creates an aether, a medium in space.
There is such a thing as antenna resistance or radiation resistance in RF design - normally about 318 ohms in free space. If something is resisting, how could an aether not exist?
Gold for that question, 8th, and put on your helmet, it may get a bit bumpy!
Cheers!
Quote from: Eighthman on September 08, 2012, 02:46:05 PM
I'd like a physics expert to answer two questions of mine about the idea of aether:
It seems to me that the whole notion of virtual particles creates an aether, a medium in space.
There is such a thing as antenna resistance or radiation resistance in RF design - normally about 318 ohms in free space. If something is resisting, how could an aether not exist?
There are no such things as virtual particles. Virtual particles are more of the absurd nonsense made up by mainstream physicists because they are unable to understand aether has mass and physically occupies three dimensional space.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casimir_effect#Vacuum_energy
"a "field" in physics may be envisioned as if space were filled with interconnected vibrating balls and springs, and the strength of the field can be visualized as the displacement of a ball from its rest position"
A 'field' in physics is space filled with aether and the strength of the field is the displacement of the aether from its rest position.
Each of the plates in the Casimir effect displace the aether. The displaced aether which exists between the plates is pushing back toward each of the plates which causes the aether displaced by each of the plates which exists between the plates to offset. This aether is more at rest than the aether which is displaced by the plates which encompasses the plates. The reduced force associated with the aether which exists between the plates along with the displaced aether which encompasses the plates which is pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward the plates causes the plates to be forced together.
What occurs physically in nature in the Casimir effect is the same phenomenon as gravity.
"It is ironic that Einstein's most creative work, the general theory of relativity, should boil down to conceptualizing space as a medium when his original premise [in special relativity] was that no such medium existed [..] The word 'ether' has extremely negative connotations in theoretical physics because of its past association with opposition to relativity. This is unfortunate because, stripped of these connotations, it rather nicely captures the way most physicists actually think about the vacuum. . . . Relativity actually says nothing about the existence or nonexistence of matter pervading the universe, only that any such matter must have relativistic symmetry. [..] It turns out that such matter exists. About the time relativity was becoming accepted, studies of radioactivity began showing that the empty vacuum of space had spectroscopic structure similar to that of ordinary quantum solids and fluids. Subsequent studies with large particle accelerators have now led us to understand that space is more like a piece of window glass than ideal Newtonian emptiness. It is filled with 'stuff' that is normally transparent but can be made visible by hitting it sufficiently hard to knock out a part. The modern concept of the vacuum of space, confirmed every day by experiment, is a relativistic ether. But we do not call it this because it is taboo." - Robert B. Laughlin, Nobel Laureate in Physics, endowed chair in physics, Stanford University
'A principle of relativity for quantum theory'
http://arxiv.org/abs/1209.3887
"The main motivation to try to formulate a new theory according to the above principle is that, as far as we know, the most plausible proposal for a source of dark energy is the assumption of a "cosmic aether" permeating all space whose origin is unknown."
'Was the universe born spinning?'
http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/46688
"The universe was born spinning and continues to do so around a preferred axis"
The Universe spins around a preferred axis because the Universe is, or the local Universe we exist in is in, a jet; a larger version of a black hole polar jet.
'Mysterious Cosmic 'Dark Flow' Tracked Deeper into Universe'
http://www.nasa.gov/centers/goddard/news/releases/2010/10-023.html
'The clusters appear to be moving along a line extending from our solar system toward Centaurus/Hydra, but the direction of this motion is less certain. Evidence indicates that the clusters are headed outward along this path, away from Earth, but the team cannot yet rule out the opposite flow. "We detect motion along this axis, but right now our data cannot state as strongly as we'd like whether the clusters are coming or going," Kashlinsky said.'
The clusters are headed along this path because the Universe is, or the local Universe we exist in is in, a jet.
The following is an image analogous of the Universal jet.
http://aether.lbl.gov/image_all.html
The reason for the 'expansion' of the universe is the continual emission of aether into the Universal jet. Three dimensional space associated with the Universe itself is not expanding. What we see in our telescopes is the matter associated with the Universe moving outward and away from the Universal jet emission point. In the image above, '1st Stars' is where aether condenses into matter.
Dark energy is aether emitted into the Universal jet.
It's not the Big Bang; it's the Big Ongoing.
I'd like to say a big 'Thank You!' to the O.P. of this thread, as they linked to a wonderful speech from Einstein that goes virtually unnoticed by the mainstream science folks.
Knowledge of the Aether is too liberating to keep the sheep confined to the man-made caves and TV sets. If folks realized, (and soon they shall). that our embodiment were but an illusion painted upon the Aethereal canvas, the time measured until full on guv-mental overthrow could be meted in mere milliseconds...or just a few 'h' units if you've made friends with Max.
Quote from: IRCyborg on September 24, 2012, 06:50:08 AM
I'd like to say a big 'Thank You!' to the O.P. of this thread, as they linked to a wonderful speech from Einstein that goes virtually unnoticed by the mainstream science folks.
Knowledge of the Aether is too liberating to keep the sheep confined to the man-made caves and TV sets. If folks realized, (and soon they shall). that our embodiment were but an illusion painted upon the Aethereal canvas, the time measured until full on guv-mental overthrow could be meted in mere milliseconds...or just a few 'h' units if you've made friends with Max.
"Doth not this aethereal medium in passing out of water, glass, crystal, and other compact and dense bodies in empty spaces, grow denser and denser by degrees, and by that means refract the rays of light not in a point, but by bending them gradually in curve lines? ...Is not this medium much rarer within the dense bodies of the Sun, stars, planets and comets, than in the empty celestial space between them? And in passing from them to great distances, doth it not grow denser and denser perpetually, and thereby cause the gravity of those great bodies towards one another, and of their parts towards the bodies; every body endeavouring to go from the denser parts of the medium towards the rarer?" – Newton
Newton is referring to the state of displacement of the aether.
The aether does not grow denser and denser. The aether is, or behaves similar to, a supersolid. However, Newton is correct, displaced aether pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward matter is gravity.
Maxwell's displacement current is a physical displacement of the aether.
Einstein defined the state of the aether as determined by its connections with the matter and the state of the aether in neighboring places. This is the state of displacement of the aether.
de Broglie described a particle, even isolated, as in energetic contact with a hidden medium. de Broglie was describing a particle's displacement of the aether. The displaced aether pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward the particle is the energetic contact.
Aether has mass and physically occupies three dimensional space. There is no such thing as non-baryonic dark matter not anchored to matter.
Matter moves through and displaces the aether.
Displaced aether pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward matter is gravity.
A moving particle has an associated aether displacement wave. In a double slit experiment the particle travels through a single slit and the associated aether wave through both.
The Milky Way's halo is the state of displacement of the aether.
The Milky Way's halo is what Einstein referred to as curved spacetime.
Everything is with respect to the state of the aether in which it exists, including the rate at which atomic clocks tick. This is why the speed of light is always measured to be 'c'.
Curved spacetime is displaced aether.
'Dark Matter Core Defies Explanation in NASA Hubble Image'
http://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2012/mar/HQ_12-068_Hubble_Dark_Core.html
"This technique revealed the dark matter in Abell 520 had collected into a "dark core," containing far fewer galaxies than would be expected if the dark matter and galaxies were anchored together. Most of the galaxies apparently have sailed far away from the collision. "This result is a puzzle," said astronomer James Jee of the University of California in Davis, lead author of paper about the results available online in The Astrophysical Journal. "Dark matter is not behaving as predicted, and it's not obviously clear what is going on. It is difficult to explain this Hubble observation with the current theories of galaxy formation and dark matter.""
The dark matter core does not defy explanation. The dark matter core is not a puzzle. The dark matter core is not difficult to explain. It is obviously clear what is going on.
Non-baryonic dark matter and galaxies are not anchored together. There is no such thing as non-baryonic dark matter. Matter moves through and displaces the aether.
Aether has mass.
An objects resistance to acceleration is the force of the displaced aether pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward the object.
Inertial mass is the mass of an object as it is accelerated with respect to the state of the aether in which it exists. The object displaces the aether as it moves through the aether. Since it is accelerating the force exerted by the displaced aether toward and throughout the object is not equally applied to the object.
Gravitational mass is the force exerted by the displaced aether toward and throughout an object. When you are standing on the surface of the Earth the aether displaced by the Earth is pushing down and exerting inward pressure toward you.
Both are the same phenomenon. Both are discussing the displaced aether pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward an object.
Relativistic mass is the mass of the object and the mass of the aether connected to and neighboring the object which is displaced by the object. The faster an object is moving with respect to the state of the aether in which it exists the more the object displaces the aether the greater the relativistic mass of the object.
The Universe, or our local Universe, is a larger version of one of these.
(http://www.dailygalaxy.com/.a/6a00d8341bf7f753ef017ee5c5bd92970d-500wi)
Dark energy is aether emitted into the Universal jet.
It's not the Big Bang; it's the Big Ongoing.
'Empty Black Holes, Firewalls, and the Origin of Bekenstein-Hawking Entropy'
http://arxiv.org/abs/1212.4176
"But why an incompressible fluid? The reason comes from an attempt to solve the (old) cosmological constant problem, which is arguably the most puzzling aspect of coupling gravity to relativistic quantum mechanics [13]. Given that the natural expectation value for the vacuum of the standard model of particle physics is ? 60 orders of magnitude heavier than the gravitational measurements of vacuum density, it is reasonable to entertain an alternative theory of gravity where the standard model vacuum decouples from gravity. Such a theory could be realized by coupling gravity to the traceless part of the quantum mechanical energy-momentum tensor. However, the consistency/covariance of gravitational field equations then requires introducing an auxiliary fluid, the so-called gravitational aether [14]. The simplest model for gravitational aether is an incompressible fluid (with vanishing energy density, but non-vanishing pressure), which is currently consistent with all cosmological, astrophysical, and precision tests of gravity [15, 16]:
__3__
32?GN G?? = T?? ? T? g?? + T?? ,
T?? = p (u? u? + g?? ), T ??;? = 0,
where GN is Newton's constant, T?? is the matter energy momentum tensor and T?? is the incompressible gravitational aether fluid. In vacuum, the theory reduces to GR coupled to an incompressible fluid."
'Toward a real synthesis of quantum and relativity theories: experimental evidence for absolute simultaneity'
http://arxiv.org/abs/1301.4253
"Abstract. We have demonstrated spatially-discontinuous quantum jumps of electrons at a distance as long as about 1cm. The effect occurs in a modified integer quantum Hall system consisted of a great number of extended Laughlin-Halperin-type states. Our observations directly contradict the no-aether Einstein's interpretation of special relativity together with the Minkowski's model of spacetime. However they are consistent with the aether-related Lorentz-Poincare's interpretation that allows absolute simultaneity. We thus strongly challenge the fundamental status of Lorentz invariance and hence break the basic argument against de Broglie-Bohm realistic quantum theory. We argue that both de Broglie-Bohm and Lorentz-Poincare theories are capable of providing a real synthesis of quantum and relativity theories. This synthesis is of such kind that quantum theory appears the most fundamental physical theory for which relativity is only a limiting case. In accordance with this hierarchy, quantum theory naturally resolves the problem of aether in Lorentz-Poincare's relativity. The role of aether could be played by a deeper Bohm-type undivided quantum pre-space, the relevance of which at any lengthscale directly follows from our observations."
"The point is we break the basic argument against pilot-wave theory, that is, the lack of Lorentz invariance. We have thus got two quantum theories, standard QM and the pilot-wave theory, and both are equally successful in prediction of experimental observations. However, their principle difference is that the former rests on mysticism and indeterminism while the latter rests on realism and determinism which is the basis of all current physical theories. As a result, the former encounters serious conceptual problems and can hardly be unified with relativity theory. Conversely, the latter naturally avoids conceptual problems and can easily be unified with relativity or, more precisely, with the Lorentz-Poincare's version of this theory. In this situation, the choice in favour of one of these theories seems self-evident though it clearly will take some courage to overcome the existing prejudices about quantum theory."
What waves in a double slit experiment is the aether.
Aether has mass. Aether physically occupies three dimensional space. Aether is physically displaced by matter. There is no such thing as non-baryonic dark matter anchored to matter. Matter moves through and displaces the aether.
A 'new dark force' is more speculative than understanding space itself has mass.
'Galactic Pile-Up May Point to Mysterious New Dark Force in the Universe'
http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2013/01/musket-ball-dark-force/
"The reason this is strange is that dark matter is thought to barely interact with itself. The dark matter should just coast through itself and move at the same speed as the hardly interacting galaxies. Instead, it looks like the dark matter is crashing into something — perhaps itself – and slowing down faster than the galaxies are. But this would require the dark matter to be able to interact with itself in a completely new an unexpected way, a "dark force" that affects only dark matter."
It's not a new force. It's the aether displaced by the galaxies interacting analogous to the bow waves of two boats which pass by each other.
'Ether and the Theory of Relativity by Albert Einstein'
http://www-groups.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~history/Extras/Einstein_ether.html
"the state of the [ether] is at every place determined by connections with the matter and the state of the ether in neighbouring places"
The state of the aether at every place determined by connections with the matter and the state of the aether in neighboring places is the state of displacement of the aether.
'Hubble Finds Ghostly Ring of Dark Matter'
http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/hubble/news/dark_matter_ring_feature.html
"Astronomers using NASA's Hubble Space Telescope got a first-hand view of how dark matter behaves during a titanic collision between two galaxy clusters. The wreck created a ripple of dark mater, which is somewhat similar to a ripple formed in a pond when a rock hits the water."
The 'pond' consists of aether. The analogy are two boats which pass by each other very closely. Their bow waves slosh back and forth and create a ripple in the water.
The Milky Way's halo is what is referred to as the curvature of spacetime.
The Milky Way's halo is the state of displacement of the aether.
The geometrical representation of gravity as curved spacetime physically exists in nature as the state of displacement of the aether.
Displaced aether pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward matter is gravity.
'NASA's Voyager Hits New Region at Solar System Edge'
http://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2011/dec/HQ_11-402_AGU_Voyager.html
"Voyager is showing that what is outside is pushing back. ... Like cars piling up at a clogged freeway off-ramp, the increased intensity of the magnetic field shows that inward pressure from interstellar space is compacting it."
It is not the particles of matter which exist in quantities less than in any vacuum artifically created on Earth which are pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward the solar system.
It is the aether, which the particles of matter exist in, which is the interstellar medium. It is the aether which is displaced by the matter the solar system consists of which is pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward the solar system.
'Offset between dark matter and ordinary matter: evidence from a sample of 38 lensing clusters of galaxies'
http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/1004/1004.1475v1.pdf
"Our data strongly support the idea that the gravitational potential in clusters is mainly due to a non-baryonic fluid, and any exotic field in gravitational theory must resemble that of CDM fields very closely."
The offset is due to the galaxy clusters moving through the aether. The analogy is a submarine moving through the water. You are under water. Two miles away from you are many lights. Moving between you and the lights one mile away is a submarine. The submarine displaces the water. The state of displacement of the water causes the center of the lensing of the light propagating through the water to be offset from the center of the submarine itself. The offset between the center of the lensing of the light propagating through the water displaced by the submarine and the center of the submarine itself is going to remain the same as the submarine moves through the water. The submarine continually displaces different regions of the water. The state of the water connected to and neighboring the submarine remains the same as the submarine moves through the water even though it is not the same water the submarine continually displaces. This is what is occurring physically in nature as the galaxy clusters move through and displace the aether.
'Interpretation of quantum mechanics by the double solution theory - Louis de BROGLIE'
http://aflb.ensmp.fr/AFLB-classiques/aflb124p001.pdf
"When in 1923-1924 I had my first ideas about Wave Mechanics I was looking for a truly concrete physical image, valid for all particles, of the wave and particle coexistence discovered by Albert Einstein in his "Theory of light quanta". I had no doubt whatsoever about the physical reality of waves and particles."
"any particle, even isolated, has to be imagined as in continuous "energetic contact" with a hidden medium"
The hidden medium of de Broglie wave mechanics is the aether. The "energetic contact" is the state of displacement of the aether.
"For me, the particle, precisely located in space at every instant, forms on the v wave a small region of high energy concentration, which may be likened in a first approximation, to a moving singularity."
A particle is a moving singularity which has an associated aether displacement wave.
In a double slit experiment the particle travels a well defined path which takes it through one slit. The associated wave in the aether passes through both. As the aether wave exits the slits it creates wave interference. As the particle exits a single slit the direction it travels is altered by the wave interference. This is the wave piloting the particle of pilot-wave theory. Detecting the particle strongly exiting a single slit destroys the coherence between the particle and its associated wave in the aether.
What ripples when galaxy clusters collide is what waves in a double slit experiment; the aether.
Might want to watch this MPC...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QsFBxCR8CY
Itll help you understand the Young experiment better.
Quote from: Littleenki on March 18, 2013, 05:05:59 PM
Might want to watch this MPC...
Itll help you understand the Young experiment better.
A particle is a moving singularity which has an associated aether displacement wave.
In a double slit experiment the particle travels a well defined path which takes it through one slit. The associated wave in the aether passes through both. As the aether wave exits the slits it creates wave interference. As the particle exits a single slit the direction it travels is altered by the wave interference. This is the wave piloting the particle of pilot-wave theory. Detecting the particle strongly exiting a single slit destroys the coherence between the particle and its associated wave in the aether.
Or this..as good as the first...
speaking of "singularities of course...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q185InpONK4
Quote from: Littleenki on March 18, 2013, 06:30:31 PM
Or this..as good as the first...
speaking of "singularities of course...
The Milky Way's halo is what is referred to as the curvature of spacetime.
The Milky Way's halo is the state of displacement of the aether.
The geometrical representation of gravity as curved spacetime physically exists in nature as the state of displacement of the aether.
Displaced aether pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward matter is gravity.
But, with displacement, shall we not experience resistance?
Does not resistance show a state of duality?
And space having no physical resistance, nor field interactions at the level one would expect in a halo of physical spacetime which is as you describe, is there then no duality, but Oneness...and overall aether containing and made up of ALL and ONE at once?
So, how can the aether displace itself if it is ONE?
Perhaps through memory displacement, quantum thought does not displace, yet instantly occurs without measurable time in between points, due to both being of the same aether.
If ALL is ONE, then displacement cannot occur.
Matter,Mass, solid, liquid....all densities of the same thing..the well known ALL.
Connected forever, never being separate.
The Universe is Mental.
Quote from: Littleenki on March 18, 2013, 07:06:24 PM
But, with displacement, shall we not experience resistance?
Does not resistance show a state of duality?
And space having no physical resistance, nor field interactions at the level one would expect in a halo of physical spacetime which is as you describe, is there then no duality, but Oneness...and overall aether containing and made up of ALL and ONE at once?
So, how can the aether displace itself if it is ONE?
Perhaps through memory displacement, quantum thought does not displace, yet instantly occurs without measurable time in between points, due to both being of the same aether.
If ALL is ONE, then displacement cannot occur.
Matter,Mass, solid, liquid....all densities of the same thing..the well known ALL.
Connected forever, never being separate.
The Universe is Mental.
Resistance: yes.
Friction: no.
There is no loss of energy in the interaction of objects and the aether.
Q. Is the Earth displacing the aether or is the aether displacing the Earth?
A. Both occur simultaneously with equal force.
Whatever energy the Earth requires to displace the aether the aether returns to the Earth as the aether 'displaces back'.
There is never any loss in energy, just a relocation of it along geometric lines.
If the earth and aether are of one substance, one cannot displace the other, as it is itself.
Friction is just a forced meeting of densities of the selfsame aether.
Good brain food however, these theories and thoughts, eh?
Quote from: Littleenki on March 18, 2013, 08:00:08 PM
If the earth and aether are of one substance, one cannot displace the other, as it is itself.
An ice cube in a glass of water displaces the water. They both consist of H2O.
Particles of matter are condensations of aether. Particles of matter exist in and displace the aether.
QuoteAn ice cube in a glass of water displaces the water. They both consist of H2O.
They both consist of the same thing..one aether..even when they were miles apart when both were water..still one.
QuoteParticles of matter are condensations of aether.
There are no particles..of anything...aether included. ALL is ONE.
QuoteParticles of matter exist in and displace the aether.
See above.... ;)
Quote from: Littleenki on March 19, 2013, 02:11:15 AM
They both consist of the same thing..one aether..even when they were miles apart when both were water..still one.
An ice cube and liquid water both consist of the same thing, H2O. An ice cube in a glass of water displaces the water.
QuoteThere are no particles..of anything...aether included. ALL is ONE.
Particles of matter are condensations of aether. Particles of matter exist in and displace the aether.
'Ether and the Theory of Relativity - Albert Einstein'
http://www.tu-harburg.de/rzt/rzt/it/Ether.html
"Since according to our present conceptions the elementary particles of matter are also, in their essence, nothing else than condensations of the electromagnetic field"
The electromagnetic field is a state of the aether. Particles of matter are condensations of aether.
'DOES THE INERTIA OF A BODY DEPEND UPON ITS ENERGY-CONTENT?' A. EINSTEIN
http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/E_mc2/e_mc2.pdf
"If a body gives off the energy L in the form of radiation, its mass diminishes by L/c2."
The mass of the body does diminish. However, the matter which no longer exists as part of the body has not vanished; it still exists, as aether. Matter evaporates into aether. As matter evaporates into aether it expands into neighboring places; which is energy. Mass is conserved.
When a nuclear bomb explodes matter evaporates into aether. The evaporation is energy. Mass is conserved.
Hey MPC, remember... quoting Einstein wont gain any ground with me or many of the current crop of researchers into certain fields which have been hijacked and decimated by following his faulty equations for decades...I understand though, he did say a few things which were interesting..worthy of discussion perhaps?
Black Holes...
Space Time...
anyways...
QuoteWhen a nuclear bomb explodes matter evaporates into aether. The evaporation is energy. Mass is conserved.
Remember, nothing evaporates, it becomes less dense, as a result of relocation of its memory fields along the geometric construct of the universe...as it has to return to its static density, one such as the aether, which cannot be described adequately by scientists yet, due to their inability to "measure" the density of anything beyond worldy "matter".
An atom bomb relocates the densities within its core to the density from which they came, and there is nothing separate at all, ever.
I do see where you are coming from, and trust me I totally understand your viewpoints, I harbored them for years myself.
As you have posted nearly a mile(;)) of links and words supporting your theory of aether and its separate nature...I implore you to read this simple tome, one of a hundred pages or so to perhaps give you a more comprehensive idea of where science has run from for years, as it has tucked itself neatly into a corner...
and..its free for kindle...
http://www.amazon.com/Kybalion-Hermetic-Philosophy-Ancient-ebook/dp/B004TIK32E/ref=sr_1_1?s=digital-text&ie=UTF8&qid=1363704186&sr=1-1&keywords=the+kybalion
Its free, so enjoy if you care to..it may mean nothing to you, and it may change your life..its all whats in the cards for you yourself.
All the best, MPC, I do admire your tenacity my friend.
Le
Quote from: Littleenki on March 19, 2013, 02:46:42 PM
QuoteWhen a nuclear bomb explodes matter evaporates into aether. The evaporation is energy. Mass is conserved.
Remember, nothing evaporates, it becomes less dense
Aether and matter have mass. Particles of matter are condensations of aether.
This thread is titled 'Aether Displacement'. In aether displacement, particles of matter exist in and displace the aether.
When a nuclear bomb explodes matter evaporates into aether. The evaporation is energy. Mass is conserved.
This may assist in showing how everything is one, different densities of the same, as that atom bomb explodes, the densified aether, the plutonium, becomes less dense and returns to the density it once was, as are all things, everywhere...
(http://www.meta-synthesis.com/webbook/35_pt/russell_1.gif)
Cheers!
Quote from: Littleenki on March 19, 2013, 03:39:34 PM
This may assist in showing how everything is one, different densities of the same, as that atom bomb explodes, the densified aether, the plutonium, becomes less dense and returns to the density it once was, as are all things, everywhere...
Cheers!
As the atom bomb explodes the particles of matter evaporate into aether. The evaporation is energy. Mass is conserved.
This thread is titled 'Aether Displacement'. In aether displacement, particles of matter are condensations of aether. In aether displacement, particles of matter exist in and displace the aether.
In aether displacement, displaced aether pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward matter is gravity.
In aether displacement, a moving particle has an associated aether displacement wave. In aether displacement, in a double slit experiment the particle travels through a single slit and the associated wave in the aether passes through both.
Yes I remember the name of the thread....thats what its called.
I guess theres not much convincing you, then, but hey, good banter anyways...Cheers!
Le
Quote from: Littleenki on March 19, 2013, 05:21:20 PM
Yes I remember the name of the thread....thats what its called.
I guess theres not much convincing you, then, but hey, good banter anyways...Cheers!
Le
Aether has mass. Aether physically occupies three dimensional space. Aether is physically displaced by particles of matter. Displaced aether pushes back and exerts inward pressure toward matter.
Displaced aether pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward matter is gravity.
A moving particle has an associated aether displacement wave. In a double slit experiment the particle travels through a single slit and the associated wave in the aether passes through both.
But I have as much displaced aether pushing back from below me as above me..Hmmm, why dont I float around? Especially if aether is being pushed away by Earth, then Id fly even higher....
Quote from: Littleenki on March 19, 2013, 07:07:37 PM
But I have as much displaced aether pushing back from below me as above me..Hmmm, why dont I float around? Especially if aether is being pushed away by Earth, then Id fly even higher....
The aether displaced by the Earth is pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward the Earth.
'NASA's Voyager Hits New Region at Solar System Edge'
http://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2011/dec/HQ_11-402_AGU_Voyager.html
"Voyager is showing that what is outside is pushing back. ... Like cars piling up at a clogged freeway off-ramp, the increased intensity of the magnetic field shows that inward pressure from interstellar space is compacting it."
It is not the particles of matter which exist in quantities less than in any vacuum artifically created on Earth which are pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward the solar system.
It is the aether, which the particles of matter exist in, which is the interstellar medium. It is the aether which is displaced by the matter the solar system consists of which is pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward the solar system.
Still floating...not agreeing here Mpc, no offense, just dont see it that way.
If aether pushes back on matter from every conceivable angle, then every step I take I am floating higher from the Earth's surface, and, as the matter of the Earth is pushing back towards space, carrying me even more upwards, I shall float unfettered for days, until my mass either outweighs the Earth, or I become a celestial body myself.
The Einsteinian math is flawed, tis a shame eh?
Quote from: Littleenki on March 19, 2013, 07:59:37 PM
Still floating...not agreeing here Mpc, no offense, just dont see it that way.
If aether pushes back on matter from every conceivable angle, then every step I take I am floating higher from the Earth's surface, and, as the matter of the Earth is pushing back towards space, carrying me even more upwards, I shall float unfettered for days, until my mass either outweighs the Earth, or I become a celestial body myself.
The Einsteinian math is flawed, tis a shame eh?
The matter the solar system consists of displaces the aether far past where Voyager is. This displaced aether is pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward the solar system.
'NASA's Voyager Hits New Region at Solar System Edge'
http://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2011/dec/HQ_11-402_AGU_Voyager.html
"Voyager is showing that what is outside is pushing back. ... Like cars piling up at a clogged freeway off-ramp, the increased intensity of the magnetic field shows that inward pressure from interstellar space is compacting it."
It is not the particles of matter which exist in quantities less than in any vacuum artifically created on Earth which are pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward the solar system.
It is the aether, which the particles of matter exist in, which is the interstellar medium. It is the aether which is displaced by the matter the solar system consists of which is pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward the solar system.
'Black hole discharge in massive electrodynamics and black hole disappearance in massive gravity'
http://arxiv.org/abs/1303.2665
"the black hole excretes negative energy 'aether' and grows."
The Universe is, or the local Universe we exist in is in, a larger version of a black hole polar jet. Dark energy is aether emitted into the Universal jet.
'Was the universe born spinning?'
http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/46688
"The universe was born spinning and continues to do so around a preferred axis"
The Universe spins around a preferred axis because the Universe is, or the local Universe we exist in is in, a jet; a larger version of a black hole polar jet.
'Mysterious Cosmic 'Dark Flow' Tracked Deeper into Universe'
http://www.nasa.gov/centers/goddard/news/releases/2010/10-023.html
"The clusters appear to be moving along a line extending from our solar system toward Centaurus/Hydra, but the direction of this motion is less certain. Evidence indicates that the clusters are headed outward along this path, away from Earth, but the team cannot yet rule out the opposite flow. "We detect motion along this axis, but right now our data cannot state as strongly as we'd like whether the clusters are coming or going," Kashlinsky said."
The clusters are headed along this path because the Universe is, or the local Universe we exist in is in, a jet.
The following is an image analogous of the Universal jet.
http://aether.lbl.gov/image_all.html
The reason for the 'expansion' of the universe is the continual emission of aether into the Universal jet. Three dimensional space associated with the Universe itself is not expanding. What we see in our telescopes is the matter associated with the Universe moving outward and away from the Universal jet emission point. In the image above, '1st Stars' is where aether condenses into matter.
Dark energy is aether emitted into the Universal jet.
It's not the Big Bang; it's the Big Ongoing.
There was no Big Bang or otherwise...
There are no black holes.....
www.thunderbolts.info
Cheers
Quote from: Littleenki on March 20, 2013, 02:04:44 PM
There was no Big Bang or otherwise...
There are no black holes.....
Cheers
This tread is titled 'Aether Displacement'. In aether displacement, the Universe is, or our local Universe is in, a larger version of a black hole polar jet.
'Black hole discharge in massive electrodynamics and black hole disappearance in massive gravity'
http://arxiv.org/abs/1303.2665
"the black hole excretes negative energy 'aether' and grows."
The Universe is, or the local Universe we exist in is in, a larger version of a black hole polar jet. Dark energy is aether emitted into the Universal jet.
'Was the universe born spinning?'
http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/46688
"The universe was born spinning and continues to do so around a preferred axis"
The Universe spins around a preferred axis because the Universe is, or the local Universe we exist in is in, a jet; a larger version of a black hole polar jet.
'Mysterious Cosmic 'Dark Flow' Tracked Deeper into Universe'
http://www.nasa.gov/centers/goddard/news/releases/2010/10-023.html
"The clusters appear to be moving along a line extending from our solar system toward Centaurus/Hydra, but the direction of this motion is less certain. Evidence indicates that the clusters are headed outward along this path, away from Earth, but the team cannot yet rule out the opposite flow. "We detect motion along this axis, but right now our data cannot state as strongly as we'd like whether the clusters are coming or going," Kashlinsky said."
The clusters are headed along this path because the Universe is, or the local Universe we exist in is in, a jet.
The following is an image analogous of the Universal jet.
http://aether.lbl.gov/image_all.html
The reason for the 'expansion' of the universe is the continual emission of aether into the Universal jet. Three dimensional space associated with the Universe itself is not expanding. What we see in our telescopes is the matter associated with the Universe moving outward and away from the Universal jet emission point. In the image above, '1st Stars' is where aether condenses into matter.
Dark energy is aether emitted into the Universal jet.
It's not the Big Bang; it's the Big Ongoing.
'The universal Higgs fit'
http://arxiv.org/abs/1303.3570
"Higgs decay into Dark Matter"
'Ether and the Theory of Relativity - Albert Einstein'
http://www.tu-harburg.de/rzt/rzt/it/Ether.html
"Since according to our present conceptions the elementary particles of matter are also, in their essence, nothing else than condensations of the electromagnetic field"
The electromagnetic field is a state of the aether. Particles of matter are condensations of aether.
'DOES THE INERTIA OF A BODY DEPEND UPON ITS ENERGY-CONTENT?' A. EINSTEIN
http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/E_mc2/e_mc2.pdf
"If a body gives off the energy L in the form of radiation, its mass diminishes by L/c2."
The mass of the body does diminish. However, the matter which no longer exists as part of the body has not vanished; it still exists, as aether. Matter evaporates into aether. Aether has mass. As matter evaporates into aether it expands into neighboring places; which is energy.
When a nuclear bomb explodes matter evaporates into aether. The evaporation is energy. Mass is conserved.