I received the following explaining why electrogravitics is dangerous, and would love any input from My friends here relative to this issue:
QuoteYou are correct about that because it vents energy from another dimension and appears to create energy.
The fact that it produces a dimensionless thrust means that it produces its thrust regardless of its inertial frame of reference.
This appears to violate the conservation of energy and mass law. This law is of course in error because we can plainly see that the universe is full of energy and matter and existence implies creation.
It should also be pointed out that it is impossible to prove the non-happening of an event, therefore this law is not a law at all but rather a statement of what the writer of it was unable to do for lack of knowledge and simply assumed everyone else was always going to be just as ignorant.
It was discovered by accident in 1929 and pigeon-holed because they didn't want to rewrite the physical laws and appear stupid. There have been many forms of it over the decades but it remains a sensitive subject because this technology can accellerate an object to speeds near the speed of light as well as spin a generator shaft.
The generator application has dire economic as well as other consequences, but the collision of an object travelling at near light spead with our moon, (which by the way would eventually be inevitable) would create an energy density at the collision site about equal to the energy density near a black hole.
Such an energetic event would unravell the bonds that hold matter together and would result in a shower of both particles and their anti particles.
The resultant malestrom of destruction would self-propagate through the moon at roughly 1/2 the speed of light and convert the entire mass of the moon into gamma radiation in what is in essence a Hypernova explosion.
Within 1.5 seconds the entire Earth would be exposed to a blast of radiation similar to you holding a beach ball-sized nuclear bomb at arms length over the entire surface.
Most of the other planets would also be destroyed and the outer shell of the Sun would be stripped away exposing its 20 million degree core.
Is this reason enough?
(He's wrong about the economic thing...)
FEAR.FEAR,FEAR.
TWADDLE.
hobbit
That's pretty much how I saw it, hobbit. Hope others chime in, but Your assessment is worth much.
He writes that and your response is
(He's wrong about the economic thing...)??????
And Hobbit..... all you have to say is " Twaddle"?
I do have a couple of things to say here.... I am not sure the " by accident" in 1929 is absolutely correct .... or to put it in my Dads words.... maybe its " substantially correct"
Its an interesting scenario. Something someone has put some thought into..... do you think that he would be willing to talk more about those thoughts here himself? I would love to hear what more he has to say.
Linda
This was just some guy who responded to My post on Yahoo free energy group. I know nothing about Him. He claimed it was dangerous, I thanked Him for His statement but was more interested in specifics, and that's what He gave Me. I'll invite Him in, if You and zorg think that's a worthwhile endeavor.
I believe that I know who it is and if I am right it would be well worth it to hear more from him. Linda
Interesting... I will enquire of zorg, and with His go ahead, I will invite this guy into Our midsts.
It was discovered by accident in 1929 and pigeon-holed because they didn't want to rewrite the physical laws and appear stupid. There have been many forms of it over the decades but it remains a sensitive subject because this technology can accellerate an object to speeds near the speed of light as well as spin a generator shaft.
Indeed.
Fast enough to accelerate an object " out of its skin?"
Please visit here. We do need to "talk" and this is the perfect place. Linda
Linda,
I used to be a keen fisherman.
I used bait to attract the prey.
feed in some of the goodies they like and desire.
This establishes a confidence in the quarry
1929 is bait to You and Me.
The moon exploding , the sun been hot, light speed, dimensions, black holes......fear, fear, fear.
Bogey men everywhere...communists everywhere, terrorists everywhere.
Twaddle.
hobbit
There's a right way and many wrong way's to do anything. Things must be looked at from all possible angles, and foresight is one of our greatest assets. If one knows all the possibilities, then one can create safeguards. -Redundent safeguards.
Fukushima for instance... The rod/cores (everything) should have been modular and removable. Emergency Transport systems should have been designed and in place. Emergency offsite storage Facilities should have been designed and in place. Etc Etc etc. Redundancy Redundancy redundancy. >:( Have they done this even Now?
BP oil spill- there were many methods of Emergency Containment that we could have used - These systems should have been in place before we had a problem - Not After. Instead we faltered again and again. >:(
When dealing with things dangerous (especially the destruction of our WORLD Dangerous), we must take all possible precautions. -We do Not. This can and will become the downfall of human kind and quite possibly the World if we do not change.
If we're not willing to think ahead, and prepare for the Greatest of Emergencies, then we are not ready to accept the responsibility to undertake these ventures. PERIOD
Profit Can Not be allowed to overtake our sense of Right and Wrong or it will be our End.
WAKE THE *F* UP PEOPLE - OUR WORLD IS GOING DOWN THE CRAPPER BECAUSE OF THIS RECKLESS METHODOLOGY.
WASTING TIME, MONEY AND RESOURCES WE CAN NOT AFFORD, OR IN SOME CASES EVER REPLACE.
Ahhh whew, that felt good. Just my opinion.
Quote from: hobbit on April 26, 2012, 09:24:09 AM
Linda,
I used to be a keen fisherman.
I used bait to attract the prey.
feed in some of the goodies they like and desire.
This establishes a confidence in the quarry
1929 is bait to You and Me.
The moon exploding , the sun been hot, light speed, dimensions, black holes......fear, fear, fear.
Bogey men everywhere...communists everywhere, terrorists everywhere.
Twaddle.
hobbit
oh i get it. you don't like what i have to say, do ya?
well nothing like talking TO me. gotta talk around me,
like i wasn't here. slick. so what you're saying is
you need to catch some fsh and you know how to
by tossing out some goodies for the fsh to nip on.
but then you get bored and frustrated with their
lack of you-ness and it's such a pain in the keister!
what a freakin' snob.
Quote from: Captain Dave on April 26, 2012, 11:28:52 AM
There's a right way and many wrong way's to do anything. Things must be looked at from all possible angles, and foresight is one of our greatest assets. If one knows all the possibilities, then one can create safeguards. -Redundent safeguards.
Fukushima for instance... The rod/cores (everything) should have been modular and removable. Emergency Transport systems should have been designed and in place. Emergency offsite storage Facilities should have been designed and in place. Etc Etc etc. Redundancy Redundancy redundancy. >:( Have they done this even Now?
BP oil spill- there were many methods of Emergency Containment that we could have used - These systems should have been in place before we had a problem - Not After. Instead we faltered again and again. >:(
When dealing with things dangerous (especially the destruction of our WORLD Dangerous), we must take all possible precautions. -We do Not. This can and will become the downfall of human kind and quite possibly the World if we do not change.
If we're not willing to think ahead, and prepare for the Greatest of Emergencies, then we are not ready to accept the responsibility to undertake these ventures. PERIOD
Profit Can Not be allowed to overtake our sense of Right and Wrong or it will be our End.
WAKE THE *F* UP PEOPLE - OUR WORLD IS GOING DOWN THE CRAPPER BECAUSE OF THIS RECKLESS METHODOLOGY.
WASTING TIME, MONEY AND RESOURCES WE CAN NOT AFFORD, OR IN SOME CASES EVER REPLACE.
Ahhh whew, that felt good. Just my opinion.
when i read stuff like this it reminds me of the stories about how the atlanteans met their end. not sure how true any of that is, but it wouldn't surprise me.
Quote from: Linda Brown on April 26, 2012, 01:58:11 AM
It was discovered by accident in 1929 and pigeon-holed because they didn't want to rewrite the physical laws and appear stupid. There have been many forms of it over the decades but it remains a sensitive subject because this technology can accellerate an object to speeds near the speed of light as well as spin a generator shaft.
Indeed.
Fast enough to accelerate an object " out of its skin?"
Please visit here. We do need to "talk" and this is the perfect place. Linda
why would it be bait? you probably know more about it than he does.
I agree with Hobbit on this one.
That scenario is simply hijacked from a Spielberg film, it is twaddle.
The effect of a near-light collision would be comparable to a large nuclear bomb, that maybe would give us some tidal problems, but the rest is pure fantasy.
No singularity or shower of antimatter particles would ever happen.
Do you think that someone working on this stuff is blissfully unaware of the dangers? We are very, very aware, and we record & study everything to look for the slightest hint it could be dangerous.
Yes, i once posted that playing god with particles like they do at Cern is not a good idea unless they have triple & quadruple redundant systems, like BP should have had, and know what they are doing.
There is a very big difference between discussing possible dangers, and active fear-mongering......
Quote from: PLAYSWITHMACHINES on April 26, 2012, 01:03:44 PM
I agree with Hobbit on this one.
That scenario is simply hijacked from a Spielberg film, it is twaddle.
The effect of a near-light collision would be comparable to a large nuclear bomb, that maybe would give us some tidal problems, but the rest is pure fantasy.
No singularity or shower of antimatter particles would ever happen.
Do you think that someone working on this stuff is blissfully unaware of the dangers? We are very, very aware, and we record & study everything to look for the slightest hint it could be dangerous.
Yes, i once posted that playing god with particles like they do at Cern is not a good idea unless they have triple & quadruple redundant systems, like BP should have had, and know what they are doing.
There is a very big difference between discussing possible dangers, and active fear-mongering......
what is active fear-mongering? like, i haven't personally seen anything on pegasus that is active fear-mongering. although, i admit there are some posts that come close!
DISCLAIMER:
Just because something is in a movie, does not make it FALSE! GET.that.part.straight. It's real important for the continuation of discussion on pegasus.
In fact, there's a very good chance that's why some things are IN MOVIES! Because if it's in a movie, it "CAN'T BE TRUE! " ? What the flip?
you're on a conspiracy forum. Hello?
Sorry, that's not what i meant, i was referring to Amy's quote from that guy in the OP. He's pulling things out of the air when he goes on about the whole solar system being destroyed by something hitting the moon.
And i still can't see how that fits in with electrogravitics?
Of course, with all technology, you will have failiures & accidents (especially when there are humans involved) and doubtless there will be crashes or accidents of some sort.
A robot will simply not make a mistake, unless it fails, and if it fails, it is due to the human that created it. There is always a root cause for everything.
How many people died jumping off cliffs with wings on their backs until the Wright brothers came along? When i think of flight, i think of the failiures as well as the sucesses, it keeps me on my toes 8) All technology is dangerous, and should be handled with the utmost caution.
And when dealing with the unknown, it's always best to err on the safe side, and take as many precautions as possible.
If it's a 1 in 10 billion chance that Cern would create a black hole that would swallow the earth, it's a chance worth taking.
If it was 1 in 10, i would have to think seriously whether to fire it up or not....i would not take that kind of risk, & would not expect others to share that risk.
I know there are scientists who wouldn't give a damn, they just want to switch on their new toy, now THAT'S reckless.
I think that everyone here on Pegasus is just great, no trolls here... :D
Quote from: PLAYSWITHMACHINES on April 26, 2012, 02:03:02 PM
If it's a 1 in 10 billion chance that Cern would create a black hole that would swallow the earth, it's a chance worth taking.
If it was 1 in 10, i would have to think seriously whether to fire it up or not....i would not take that kind of risk, & would not expect others to share that risk.
i'm not sure about it being a chance worth taking and i'll tell you why. i went into a coma about 15 years ago. 5 days later, i woke up. when i woke up they said it was a 1 in a million chance that i would catch the disease that they "thought" might have caused it, in their particular part of the world. 1 in a million. and yet i had it. when i mentioned that to skeptics, while discussing my miraculous recovery, they said: (paraphrasing) odds are meaningless. it either happens or it doesn't. i thought about that and realized that this is the same thing they were teaching in evolution. odds are meaningless, particularly if given enough time. and their skepticism was just an exaggerated version of that. 1 in a billion is still a chance. so who is right?
i wouldn't want to risk it, not based on some of the crazy odds i've read about over the years.
i dunno
You are right, any risk is one too many.
But if the odds were the same as the earth being hit by a meteorite, well, that could happen tomorrow and there won't be any humans doing anything.
I rhink it's sometimes necessary to take SOME risk in order to move forward, as long as we are aware of it, all agree on it, & take as many precautions as possible.
Like testing nuclear reactors far out in space for example, or better still, forget about using reactors at all, we don't need them.
Much of my work involves correcting misakes made by other engineers, and it's a fact that most things break down because someone did not do their job properly in the first place.
If we can eliminate that one problem, the world would be a much safer place already....
Quote from: PLAYSWITHMACHINES on April 26, 2012, 02:27:38 PM
all agree on it,
the key word there is "ALL". all who?
doncha ever wonder why most people are not included in that "all"? who makes these choices and why do they think they are "All"?
lol
shrug. things that make you go "hmmmmmmmm."
Quote from: PLAYSWITHMACHINES on April 26, 2012, 01:03:44 PM
I agree with Hobbit on this one.
That scenario is simply hijacked from a Spielberg film, it is twaddle.
The effect of a near-light collision would be comparable to a large nuclear bomb, that maybe would give us some tidal problems, but the rest is pure fantasy.
No singularity or shower of antimatter particles would ever happen.
Do you think that someone working on this stuff is blissfully unaware of the dangers? We are very, very aware, and we record & study everything to look for the slightest hint it could be dangerous.
Yes, i once posted that playing god with particles like they do at Cern is not a good idea unless they have triple & quadruple redundant systems, like BP should have had, and know what they are doing.
There is a very big difference between discussing possible dangers, and active fear-mongering......
Seems we are all right here.
PWM says it wouldnt be too big an explosion, Hobbit says twaddle, and others say oh no, were gonna die!Correct, correct, correct!
I for one dont worry about death or fear anymore, and for this container to be nuked in a flash wont bother me at all, as I wont have to suffer through the back pain, or the foot pain, or the sickos in the world pushing their doctrines on me....the list goes on, but as an advocate of not worrying about shit, I will say, Dont worry, be happy! Noone dies!
Nothing that is predetermined in our universe can be easily changed, as it is written in our very atoms, what we shall be, and what we shall see. Our future is as permanent as the spirals in the stone at Newgrange, and when we see the truth, as energy beings, it will all become clear.Noone dies!
Die in a moon strike, die from some disease, die from a beating received from secret agents............Whats it matter, when NOONE DIES!!!!
I wont be supporting any war effort, or attempt to alter the moon's orbit, or any other Spielbergey fantasies, as it is a complete waste of my human time here.
When were done were done, and nooooooooooooone will ever change that.
And, if we all stop looking for answers to electrogravitics, and electricity in the simple world we occupy, and start to look for it like PWM says, and like I believe, as a lifeforce which is interdimensional, we may begin to realize why it hasnt moved forward in our last 80 years.....Nobody gets it yet at all.
New theories shed new light, and dammit we need some new light soon!
Resonance, magnetism, and yes, electricity are all lifeforces, and when we approach the study and application of these forces with that thought, we will learn the real reason they are so elusive to our minds, but not our bodies.
Ever been shocked? Why?
Ever watched a magnet spin away from another magnet? Why?
Ever felt a vibration that made your teeth chatter uncontrollably? Why?
Because LIFE happens, thats why.
They are our Lifeforce, these three forces, and everything else's in the universe as well.
TT Brown probably knows now what the ultimate outcome for us is, although he knew it when still a boy, and he is looking to us to see the corellation between the life force and the energy force, and hybridize them into some sort of understanding of our universe. He and Tesla and a few others had the foresight to recognize a part of our world that didnt seem to be real, yet had real effects, and isnt that the definition of a interdimensional force? Reality that seems unreal?
Im listening to you, Dr. Brown, and youre loud and clear!
Fear? It aint s$#t!!!
Death? Bring it!
Loathing? Im done with it!
Cheers!
Littleenki
This is a response I received from Dr. LaViolette:
QuoteThis part of their statement is complete baloney:
"The generator application has dire economic as well as other consequences but the collision of an object travelling at near light spead with our moon, (which by the way would eventually be inevitable) would create an energy density at the collision site about equal to the energy density near a black hole. Such an energetic event would unravell the bonds that hold matter together and would result in a shower of both particles and their anti particles. The resultant malestrom of destruction would self propogate through the moon at roughly 1/2 the speed of light and convert the entire mass of the moon into gamma radiation in what is in essence a Hypernova explosion. Within 1.5 seconds the entire Earth would be exposed to a blast of radiation similar to you holding a beach ball sized nuclear bomb at arms length over the entire surface. Most of the other planets would also be destroyed and the outer shell of the Sun would be stripped away exposing its 20 million degree core. Is this reason enough?"
This certainly makes no sense in subquantum kinetics and neither in standard physics. It seems to be the rather paranoid opinion that someone has formed based on idle speculation and lacking any kind of theoretical or observational support.
I agree that the electrogravitic force is not relative to the craft, as I have stated in Secrets of Antigravity Propulsion. So the part you quote about accelerating a craft to light speed using electrogravitic field propulsion is possible. Whether the ship would increase its mass through a relativistic mass increase effect is debatable since the ship's electorgravitic field would likely drag with it the ambient reference frame, i.e., it would drag a clump of ether medium along with it. So relativistically the ship would behave as though it were at rest or traveling at subrelativistic velocity and hence there would be no infinite increase of spaceship mass.
A 10 ton spacecraft travelling at c and hitting the Moon would release ~mc^2 of energy, i.e. 10^7 grams X (3 X 10^10 cm/s)^2 = 10^28 ergs, or 10^15 megajoules of energy. It would be equivalent to the impact of a 10^15 gram asteroid (800 meters in diameter) traveling at 30 kilometer per second. There would be some UV and X-rays produced, but I doubt much in the way of cosmic rays. Ask any specialist in asteroid impact physics. So Earth would not be in danger if it were directed toward the Moon.
By the way black holes do not exist and cannot form in Nature. I discuss this in my book Subquantum Kinetics and on the Starburst Foundation subquantum kinetics forum: http://starburstfound.org/sqkblog/ (go to the third page of forum entries).
If such a craft were maliciously targeted toward the Earth, an energy release of this magnitude could in theory take out an entire state. But even at a 10 g acceleration, it would take a month of time and over 10 astronomical units of distance for such a ship to accelerate up to light speed. Assuming that astronomers saw it coming and warned the military in time, it could be blasted with a laser weapon and destroyed before reaching the Earth. The threat of possible kamakazi attacks are certainly something that military defense should be aware of when such technology is made public. But they could be avoided if there was oversight on the construction of such vehicles and licensing of their use with continuing tracking to be aware where they go.
Another thing to consider is that we may not be alone. There are likely others out there with better technology than we have who would want to ensure that Earth is safe from such mishaps.
The part about the energy conservation law being in error I would agree with.
You may post this if you wish.
Sincerely,
Paul LaViolette
I think He agrees with hobbit (and Me).
Hello everyone,
i am at a lost for words. Undo11 has a point. el beit her own "Personal" explanation. Linda has curiosity too who this individual is that sent the original message and "May" know who it is. PWM has the physics know how of risk and doesn't plan on hurting anyone with his ventures into such thing's as electrogravitics but yet has the opinion of this letter being a scare monger, in his personal "Opinion". Captain Dave is on the fence, but understands science and nature can produce an affair that "Sometimes" turns out unexpectedly. Littleenki has a view of "We all die anyway" and seems too be on the thought of "Nothing ventured, nothing gained" (As well as PWM) which is not irresponsible but a self supporting belief of of such event's being not problematic, but how we advance our understanding.
Very interesting, I think, personally, it is a fear monger that had sent this information. With the study of electrogravitics, I have not seen nor heard of anything but assumptions and probabilities. But, with those perceptions brought out they are all the same topic of discussion, anyone of them may be correct, then again, we have nothing by means of actual working intention or device that will put any or all of these "Theory's" too rest. What ever the outcome "May" be, there is no way too know until we try these "theory's" with the mindset of doing nothing more than too contribute too humanity.
TT Brown, if he were with us today would probably be doing the math before such advantageous endeavor, Linda would be the"Only" person I would go for this assumption due too her affiliation to the great man. I have asked Linda questions and some of them have been answered, but there are those question's that were important to myself that went way side by her neglect of my requests for those answer's. Does this allow me too think she is not interested in my intellectual inquiry and that I am nothing more than a person she does not know asking redundant and idiotic question's? It has too be in my mental equation. It is a part of the whole too allow me too either not bother with asking anymore, or be more pursuant with her and continually ask. I personally am not like that, I know that if she truly knew what I was asking, and I have asked anything remotely redundant or irrelevant, there may be "No" reply too my inquiry. This would be because she doesn't have the answer, and it "Could" be of the latter I had mentioned above, either way, I cannot let this effect me.
PWM has the right idea I think. There are no "Conclusive" and remotely correct Physics oriented statements this person made that makes any "Real" sense. It is a rambling of someone that has no baring of what would truly happen if an electrogravitic device was achieved, and by such statements, puts this individual in a category of "Afraid" of such sciences being created.
LHC was a great point too bring up, there was nothing wrong with LHC except for some of the cooling tanks failing, then there was those out there that were saying"See, it is happening, they are already finding out they don't know what they are doing and the earth is going too be consumed by a man-made black-hole!" Totally wrong, for we know now that it is working as it should, scientists are discovering data that has never seen before, so much so that just one collision is equal to years of analogy and investigation. That too me is progress of the idea too why the LHC was created. "Did I wonder if these black-hole theory's could come too fruition?" Sure,it is all part of the equation. But, as a part of the equation, it was the absolute worst scenario. Odds or no odds, we cannot allow our selves too become afraid of the unknown. Like littleenki has addressed "Nothing ventured, nothing Gained."
I for one want too see the electrogravitics device work, too it's full potential for humanity, if that meant me throwing the switch too discover if it is applicable, than I would gladly volunteer.
This Dimensional portal talk is not realistic, but is part of the equation, the moon being destroyed by flying shafts, absolutely paranoid of full understanding. The Sun being essentially "Blown Out" is hog wash. We all know that the protection from our Sun comes from our "Geomagnetic fields" and there is no questioning that, for it is "Fact".
I, like all of you have my own interpretation, but there are those that have a seemingly greater cause to fear the unknown for fears sake. Once again "Nothing ventured, nothing gained." I would beg to differ of these thinker's, with all thing's considered, we will never know until we try, and when I say try, I mean with all the cards on the table for intellectual deductive cause and effect of such ventures. Some one here had mentioned it has been 80 years since we have had positive change on our planet and that it was time for something new and innovative, I agree. lets get on with getting on and keep the mindset as it should be "One step at a time."
1Worldwatcher
Quote from: undo11 on April 26, 2012, 12:12:55 PM
oh i get it. you don't like what i have to say, do ya?
well nothing like talking TO me. gotta talk around me,
like i wasn't here. slick. so what you're saying is
you need to catch some fsh and you know how to
by tossing out some goodies for the fsh to nip on.
but then you get bored and frustrated with their
lack of you-ness and it's such a pain in the keister!
what a freakin' snob.
Are YOU called Linda??
I have never been called a "snob"
Part of that many times.
Thank You, I like been a snob.
hobbit snobilicous
Quote from: hobbit on April 26, 2012, 05:10:55 PM
Are YOU called Linda??
I have never been called a "snob"
Part of that many times.
Thank You, I like been a snob.
hobbit snobilicous
hehe. sorry. :D
Quote from: undo11 on April 26, 2012, 12:23:33 PM
why would it be bait? you probably know more about it than he does.
undo 11,
As it was myself the snob who referred to "BAIT"
Perhaps I should better explain.
The date of 1929 is important to Dr brown , especially with reference to the gravitor( or however anyone wants to call it)
Look on rexresearch at patents.
That will act as the bait to those conversant with the history of Dr brown and said electrogravitics.
If You feel as though, or I actually am not responding to You , it is not intentional in any way, You actually make me laugh quite often, which is a rare talent.
The rest of the said letter I called TWADDLE , as that is IMHO( in my hobbit opinion) what it amounts to relative to what I have gleaned and personally experienced of electrogravitics.
TIME
Or what causes the consequence We term as TIME.
If the said letter had referred to such, then I wouldn't have said TWADDLE.
Slobbery snobbery kisses to You.
hobbit
Well put, 1WW, and Ill be there to have a hand on that switch!
Ive always said, if the big event happens during my lifetime, Ill be so blessed to see it!
Let er rip, and as far as cern, well it isnt going to find much in the way of any black holes, as Dr Violette stated the truth...they CANT exist.
Particles and other physical devices are just another way for them to scientificize the reality that we have no idea what creates life, and until this"big event" we never will.
Hobbit, you have driven it into my head for months now, and I DO see the truth, as you said.
Noone dies!
Now, I wish to learn more about the eg field, so hence I built the Hobbit House, full of wonderful manmade equipment and tools.
I can learn how things might work in there, but Im really using all of this technology to realize the Esoteric part of the equation, and until we open up and see what is all around, eg will be a dream of us scientists.
The three forces, magnetism, electricity, and resonance are real, and they determine everything we see and feel in this life, so when I see magnets charging and collapsing their fields with electrical pulses, I also can determine the frequency it happens at with the most efficiency.
This in a nutshell, is life itself, and like you said, 1WW, Linda may not have all the answers, but I DO know if she did, we would all be living right! Linda is approaching the field of electrogravitics from the correct direction, and she has more knowledge than we can ever imagine locked in that brain of hers, and when she is ready, it will fly free. I personally think she knows whats best for us, and when someone types the right sequence of words, she will see it like a thunderstorm coming off the gulf!
I cant wait for that day, Linda, and I know it's coming soon, so I promise to do my part to understand all of this within the context of life and universe, and maybe that will guide me to the tiny little spot of truth we are all searching for, and why not us to find it.
Hybridize the science and the metaphysical together into the truth, and that's the path to the future of "mankind", and it's planet of lessons.
What an awesome idea, and when we learn to become as one in humanity, Amaterasu will see her dreams come to fruition, through the beauty and wonder of lifeforces and not the evil and discontent that are brought upon us by the present controllers of our environs.
Someday, we will understand EG tech, and it will be so easy, we will wonder why it didnt happen sooner, so approach is the key, and the ones used previously( DR Brown's and Tesla's )were the building blocks of the beginning, and we need to recognize the channel markers to sail safely through into realityland!
To add a bit of my own philosophy to Dr brown's quip....
Red right returning, returning, returning!
Dont hit the sandbar of confusion, folks, and your propeller of knowledge will last forever!
going for tea now....like an armchair philosopher! :D
Littleenki
Quote from: hobbit on April 26, 2012, 05:36:12 PM
You actually make me laugh quite often, which is a rare talent.
:D
why thank you.
Quote from: hobbit on April 26, 2012, 05:36:12 PM
undo 11,
As it was myself the snob who referred to "BAIT"
Perhaps I should better explain.
The date of 1929 is important to Dr brown , especially with reference to the gravitor( or however anyone wants to call it)
Look on rexresearch at patents.
That will act as the bait to those conversant with the history of Dr brown and said electrogravitics.
If You feel as though, or I actually am not responding to You , it is not intentional in any way, You actually make me laugh quite often, which is a rare talent.
The rest of the said letter I called TWADDLE , as that is IMHO( in my hobbit opinion) what it amounts to relative to what I have gleaned and personally experienced of electrogravitics.
TIME
Or what causes the consequence We term as TIME.
If the said letter had referred to such, then I wouldn't have said TWADDLE.
Slobbery snobbery kisses to You.
hobbit
Gold for you, Hobbit, good for you! :D
LE
Quote from: Littleenki on April 26, 2012, 06:12:00 PM
Gold for you, Hobbit, good for you! :D
LE
All that is gold does not glitter,
Not all those who wander are lost;
The old that is strong does not wither,
Deep roots are not reached by the frost.
From the ashes a fire shall be woken,
A light from the shadows shall spring;
Renewed shall be blade that was broken,
The crownless again shall be king.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q19z6-tbIHY
you bow to no one....
I saw what you meant by bait.... and of course I am getting to be much more of a wary fish than I ever was before dear Hobbit...... but I did look at it carefully.
But did you notice what has come to us because of that strange message? Look at this explosion of wonderful responses .
I particularly noted that Dr. LaViolette answered and of course most of the wonderful science that he spoke so well goes right over my head something else that he said did not.... In fact it was the ONLY thing that raised out of his message and glared in flashing lights to me.... was I the only one who saw it?
Another thing to consider is that we may not be alone. There are likely others out there with better technology than we have who would want to ensure that Earth is safe from such mishaps.
It is comforting to me to know from him directly that this thought has crossed the threshold of his mind.
Linda
QuoteHybridize the science and the metaphysical together into the truth, and that's the path to the future of "mankind", and it's planet of lessons.
What an awesome idea, and when we learn to become as one in humanity, Amaterasu will see her dreams come to fruition, through the beauty and wonder of lifeforces and not the evil and discontent that are brought upon us by the present controllers of our environs.
VERY WELL PUT!
My concern (most of the time) is not whether we should imagine, engineer, and build these things. It is the recklessness in which we do. It is the amount of forethought we put into them. The more you look for what can go wrong, the better your design will be. The more minds involved, the more thorough your design will be. ( Allowing online commenting for instance would bring up problems and solutions quickly in an organized fashion. )
For instance, in the hypersonic bullet thing they fired off. The skin peeled off? Why? Friction? Heat? Sheer Speed? Was it a unibody design? What was the skin made of? How polished was it? How thick was it? Was a cooling system built into the body, especially at certain points. I've got a ton of questions I would have asked before firing it off.
Too often it is a race to find out what we can do. Then our inital inventions are built to grand scale and mass produced. Later when things go wrong, everyone looks back at the initial design and blames the engineers. Proof of concept does not a finished product make.
When you look at who funds, and then ultimately controls new tech, it can get scary. Most of the time they don't know why it works, they don't care. -They just want more money. This puts them in a position to control and do things without understanding the consequences.
QuoteBy the way black holes do not exist and cannot form in Nature.
- I find that Humorous considering they are within nature.
As for statistics, percentages & odds... They are a guide, not a Rule. 1-10 or 1-10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 doesn't matter because we all know sh!t happens.
Tell me I can or can't do something according to the odd's- doesn't matter to me. If I want it badly enough - in most cases it will happen - especially if I remain unopposed - because you can't quantize belief. I'm of course not alone in this. I know I can do anything, how dedicated to it, or distracted from it, is always the question.
Electricity, Light, Flight, what were the odds they would be imagined, and brought into this reality by "mere mortals"- yet they were.
Initially in life I wanted to make enough money to fund research into certain area's and inventions. Things that would change humanity for the better. The money I made would have allowed me to develop other inventions. Welcome to the real world - I had my Idea's instead stolen by investors who then profitted by them leaving me behind - less than a footnote. I can find investors, trusting them however is another ball game entirely.
I came up with an idea for a Global Cooperative in hopes of eliminating greed, therefore allowing collaboration and more fruitfull progress.
Imagine a web site where one can go to express their Idea. Teams are then developed where needed. The Co-op funds the patents. Everyone gets a percentage and due credit.
There are manufacturing/ machining companies all over the World barely keeping their doors open - but they have the facilities and equipment. Bring them into the Co-op - we can now manufacture anything.
Divide the manufacturing and sales etc out among all participating Countries. This would help to stabilize economies.
The Co-op is owned by the employee's - total accountability = everybody wins.
Install free online education into the system & Tada.
The expansion of this would be amazing.
Quote from: Linda Brown on April 26, 2012, 07:25:45 PM
I saw what you meant by bait.... and of course I am getting to be much more of a wary fish than I ever was before dear Hobbit...... but I did look at it carefully.
But did you notice what has come to us because of that strange message? Look at this explosion of wonderful responses .
I particularly noted that Dr. LaViolette answered and of course most of the wonderful science that he spoke so well goes right over my head something else that he said did not.... In fact it was the ONLY thing that raised out of his message and glared in flashing lights to me.... was I the only one who saw it?
Another thing to consider is that we may not be alone. There are likely others out there with better technology than we have who would want to ensure that Earth is safe from such mishaps.
It is comforting to me to know from him directly that this thought has crossed the threshold of his mind.
Linda
Linda,
The king of fish is the salmon, and in the northern hemisphere it really appreciates north flowing water.
And it has uncanny navigation skills , returning, returning, returning to where it was created.
So what benefits are there in north flowing waters?
The salmon are hard to catch due to their single minded determination to return, they actually are not feeding whilst going upstream.
You know how odd an hobbit I am, and one of those odd features is My ability to detect magnetic currents, and of course to find and follow water, even when it's underground.
As water flows in one direction, the magnetic field flows in the opposite direction, clever is the king of fish???
They appear to defy gravity as they leap up the weirs....clever salmon.
And if You have ever hooked one , and they have set off UPSTREAM, You will know the amazing power they seem to have going upstream.
They do prefer NORTH flowing water.
Odd are the hobbits that operate in the invisable realmns.
hobbit
Quote from: Captain Dave on April 26, 2012, 07:40:05 PM
Captain Dave ;
My concern (most of the time) is not whether we should imagine, engineer, and build these things. It is the recklessness in which we do. It is the amount of forethought we put into them. The more you look for what can go wrong, the better your design will be. The more minds involved, the more thorough your design will be. ( Allowing online commenting for instance would bring up problems and solutions quickly in an organized fashion. )
For instance, in the hypersonic bullet thing they fired off. The skin peeled off? Why? Friction? Heat? Sheer Speed? Was it a unibody design? What was the skin made of? How polished was it? How thick was it? Was a cooling system built into the body, especially at certain points. I've got a ton of questions I would have asked before firing it off.
Too often it is a race to find out what we can do. Then our inital inventions are built to grand scale and mass produced. Later when things go wrong, everyone looks back at the initial design and blames the engineers. Proof of concept does not a finished product make.
When you look at who funds, and then ultimately controls new tech, it can get scary. Most of the time they don't know why it works, they don't care. -They just want more money. This puts them in a position to control and do things without understanding the consequences.
- I find that Humorous considering they are within nature.
As for statistics, percentages & odds... They are a guide, not a Rule. 1-10 or 1-10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 doesn't matter because we all know sh!t happens.
Tell me I can or can't do something according to the odd's- doesn't matter to me. If I want it badly enough - in most cases it will happen - especially if I remain unopposed - because you can't quantize belief. I'm of course not alone in this. I know I can do anything, how dedicated to it, or distracted from it, is always the question.
Electricity, Light, Flight, what were the odds they would be imagined, and brought into this reality by "mere mortals"- yet they were.
Initially in life I wanted to make enough money to fund research into certain area's and inventions. Things that would change humanity for the better. The money I made would have allowed me to develop other inventions. Welcome to the real world - I had my Idea's instead stolen by investors who then profitted by them leaving me behind - less than a footnote. I can find investors, trusting them however is another ball game entirely.
I came up with an idea for a Global Cooperative in hopes of eliminating greed, therefore allowing collaboration and more fruitfull progress.
Imagine a web site where one can go to express their Idea. Teams are then developed where needed. The Co-op funds the patents. Everyone gets a percentage and due credit.
There are manufacturing/ machining companies all over the World barely keeping their doors open - but they have the facilities and equipment. Bring them into the Co-op - we can now manufacture anything.
Divide the manufacturing and sales etc out among all participating Countries. This would help to stabilize economies.
The Co-op is owned by the employee's - total accountability = everybody wins.
Install free online education into the system & Tada.
The expansion of this would be amazing.
amen...
One of us is all of us
and all of us are one
We are each and every one, part of a Greater Community.
arc
Wow, this is getting interesting!
This is the meat & bones of the matter.
We take risks everyday, i took a risk a few days ago that could have killed someone, i didn't stop to think.
Someone with a pacemaker was visiting my lab, and i forgot that the tesla coil was in standby mode.
If the lighting falls below a certain level, or i cover the IR sensor with my hand, it will switch on.
The coil is only partially shielded, and the field is still quite intense.
Not only that, i have some very powerful magnets lying around!
The coil didn't activate, as it was daytime, and the magnets are kept in a far corner on a steel plate, so nothing happened.
Only later, when he told me he had a pacemaker, did i realise just how close to death he was, and you could have knocked me down with a feather.I'm not normally that stupid, and all it takes is a little distraction.....next time i will ask elderly visitors if they have pacemakers...
Normally i trust my feelings, i have an instinct that says doing this or that 'feels' good or bad, and my instinct told me everything was fine, and it was.
I have predicted the cataclysmic failiure of a machine to within 2 days, and i smiled a big fat, smug smile when it finally exploded & sent parts through the roof, with my boss looking on...
He totally ignored my advice to replace the bearings within 2 weeks, and it exploded 16 days later.
I didn't take vibration measurements, or anything like that, i didn't need to, a lifetime of experience with machines is enough. (and the engineers among you will be smiling, i know).
1World has summed it up neatly, we are not going to be ALL agreeing on EVERYTHING, that's just impossible (a word i hardly ever use) but i sense a great feeling of brotherhood & understanding.
We are all discussing the pros, cons, & theories in a freindly, enlightened way, and i am certain we are ALL learning from it, i know i am.
I also feel this 'driving force' trying to guide us, also freindly, and i feel no fear at all, and i have never really feared the unknown, but i have tried to get to know it, since if it is known, it need not be feared.
As for the LHC, i have posted many times elsewhere that it's a waste of time & money IMO.
It cost zillions that could have gone into much easier technology, like Brown's or Podkletnov, Searl et al, and it was based on conventional physics which means it was bound to fail.
Have they found that elusive Higgs particle? No.
Did they learn something about particles waves etc etc? Probably, but it could have been done in a much simpler (=cheaper) fashion, like Brown's approach..
I reasoned that the LHC would not destroy the earth, simply because it would not work properly in the first place.
I'm not a political type, and i will leave that to others who are more skilled in that area, but i am very much aware how this affects all of us, and when i say 'all' of us, i mean 'nearly all' since you will never get 100% of the votes, otherwise we wouldn't have so many election debates ;)
I do sense a direct need that we all co-operate, as one. Those that go on about "i'm not going to give up my personality to that hive mind bullsh*t" should think about that for a while, you will not 'lose' anything, you will gain a lot, your UNIQUE personality will enhance the hive mind, give it more colour.
When i say colour, i mean that the human eye can see 1.4 million different hues, and several million different shades, so yes, each and every one of us will have his or her own unique colour in this emerging light that will take us into the next stage of evolution, the age of Aquarius.
And for me personally,2012 is the year of the dragon, and i'm a dragon, so i think that's where i get my energy from. I intend not to waste a moment of it.
A chance remark, that was misinterpreted, got Amaterasu banned from you-know-where, and she led me here. Zorgon told me that Linda Brown was here, and since then i have met many more wonderful & free-thinking people. We have already had promising results.
And it all happened this year, it can't be coincidence, we were all destined to come here, each by his or her own path....let's make the most of it, i have a feeling that we get only one shot at this.
But here i am shooting off at the mouth again, i haven't read all the posts yet
And as painful as some of our paths have been on the road to HERE on the LivingMoon and in each others company..... it will all be worth it.
This is where we are meant to be and the combination of science and magic will be the crossover that we have needed to step into the next age. But just as arc and PWM have just said.... We are all one in this..... a wondrous windchime array of so many individual pieces. When this special magical wind blows through us we will make music that has never been heard before. This is no mistake.
Linda
I do believe that We will see some awesome things come out of this. I am so blessed to be a part!
I surely don't miss the hours and hours of "debunking" the "debunkers," over at You know where. Don't miss that at all. Here, if someOne disagrees, They have good reasons for Their view and a proper debate can ensue. There it became to Monty Python routine: "Yes it is!" "No it isn't!"
Glad to be rid of THAT mess, in favor of a supportive, honestly curious bunch.
playswithmachines,
"Pacemaker"
I did almost the self same with my dowsing rods.
I run an antiques centre shop, and often check out people who enter, nobody knows what I am thinking, and basically don't have a clue that it is them I am checking.
I can modulate instantly to whatever I think of them, and normally I check the overall HEART field.
A lady came in and I didn't pick anything up, so I moved close and closer until She asked what I was looking for.
I explained and asked her jokingly if She was a robot, she laughed and said well yes.
It's not often that I am surprised, She explainmed that She had been fitted with a pacemaker at a very early age, I asked if I coud locate it by thinking of it.
As soon as I did She jolted backwards and screamed out.
She was OK and said it was the first time ever She had experienced the pacemaker.
my mind began racing as to what I could have done.
When I think of anything my thoughts( everyone is the same) are through the palms of my hands and soles of my feet( christians THINK)
I am confident of the power of my field, and I connected direct to that pacemaker, She actually felt great, but I sure am carefull since.
This post is essential to the thread title, this is an electrical universe, and We are mere consequences of it's method.
Your memory field is electrogravitic, and one of the main drivers that made me seek out such as here, and Dr brown was after myself experiencing some very odd reaqctions whilst dowsing megalithic sites...and re-locating with the greatest of ease, and as an experienced mig and tig welder I recognise certain smells relative to high frequency signals, and recognise the burns they create.
I have no fear of where I tread with dowsing, which can be dangerous.
hobbit
Hobbit: Agreed.
L.E; absolutely!
Amy; I agree completely with dr LaVioette's assesment, i don't even need to check his math, the figures are in the right range. I would like to talk with him about subquantum kinetics, though....
Linda; Good point, it is my opinion that there is a benign force at work, be it celestial Nth dimensional beings or little green men in saucers, they are guiding us, it could even be God himself (except i don't personally believe in him)-call it what you will.
Everybody seems to forget that these guys are WAY ahead of us, and if they wanted us gone, we would
indeed be gone.....
We are still here, i take that as being a good sign, the only thing that can destroy us is...... us.
Captain Dave;
QuoteMy concern (most of the time) is not whether we should imagine, engineer, and build these things. It is the recklessness in which we do. It is the amount of forethought we put into them. The more you look for what can go wrong, the better your design will be. The more minds involved, the more thorough your design will be. ( Allowing online commenting for instance would bring up problems and solutions quickly in an organized fashion. )
Exactly! That's exactly what i am trying to put into words, thank you :)
QuoteToo often it is a race to find out what we can do. Then our inital inventions are built to grand scale and mass produced. Later when things go wrong, everyone looks back at the initial design and blames the engineers. Proof of concept does not a finished product make.
Right again, my freind.
A machine is not just designed & built, it has to be designed to evolve.
My old Amiga computer being a case in point, it can burn dvd's and can have usb's and MP3's and does it faster than Windoze (boot up time=58 seconds) but it was designed before any of these things existed.
It is truly a remarkable machine, the one posession that is most valuable to me, it can operate invisible internet modes, & can bring down a satellite, and the games are cool as well.
Now you know why it was banned in the U.S.
Youtube Jaques Fresco for some ideas about the evolution of technology, and us.
QuoteQuote
By the way black holes do not exist and cannot form in Nature.- I find that Humorous considering they are within nature.
Here i am neutral, the effect of a black hole is real enough, and while they operate outside of conventiomal physics, so does a bee, an ant, and a
lifter, so no surprise there.
I would not go so far as to say they do or do not exist in nature, merely that we do not understand them fully, like gravity, magnetism, and
chargeQuoteInitially in life I wanted to make enough money to fund research into certain area's and inventions. Things that would change humanity for the better. The money I made would have allowed me to develop other inventions. Welcome to the real world - I had my Idea's instead stolen by investors who then profitted by them leaving me behind - less than a footnote. I can find investors, trusting them however is another ball game entirely.
Been there, done that, welcome to the club ;)
QuoteI came up with an idea for a Global Cooperative in hopes of eliminating greed, therefore allowing collaboration and more fruitfull progress.
Imagine a web site where one can go to express their Idea. Teams are then developed where needed. The Co-op funds the patents. Everyone gets a percentage and due credit.
There are manufacturing/ machining companies all over the World barely keeping their doors open - but they have the facilities and equipment. Bring them into the Co-op - we can now manufacture anything.
Divide the manufacturing and sales etc out among all participating Countries. This would help to stabilize economies.
The Co-op is owned by the employee's - total accountability = everybody wins.
You are more than welcome to post your concept in the inventor's forum, in fact i would like you to do so
Please read my thread on the subject;
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=978.0 (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=978.0)
Hobbit again; 100% with you on that.
Arc;
QuoteOne of us is all of us
and all of us are one
We are each and every one, part of a Greater Community.
I think that's the way it is meant to be, whether we like it or not.
The first hurdle is accepting it, i guess...
Linda again; Yes, and yes!
Amy;
QuoteGlad to be rid of THAT mess, in favor of a supportive, honestly curious bunch.
Thank YOU, Amy, for guiding me here, it's a great place to be.
I love you all :)
QuoteThis post is essential to the thread title, this is an electrical universe, and We are mere consequences of it's method.
Yes it is, and i am sure of our ability to feel it & influence it, i feel it, but i don't have it if you see what i mean.
What i discover with my instruments is the same as you discover with your dowsing rods. Fields. Spirals. Vibration. Energy.
What you see, i can only imagine, but i still see it....
Quote from: PLAYSWITHMACHINES on April 27, 2012, 10:17:27 PM
Yes it is, and i am sure of our ability to feel it & influence it, i feel it, but i don't have it if you see what i mean.
What i discover with my instruments is the same as you discover with your dowsing rods. Fields. Spirals. Vibration. Energy.
What you see, i can only imagine, but i still see it....
I am confident We are running parallel.
And parallel lines are My domain.....NINE parallel lines in three threes....that's 3,6,9.
But the key is phase conjugation, coupled to side by side sets of parallel lines creating bloch( neals) walls between them, then zig zag patterns emerge relative to the distance between the lines.
That's where PORTAL gateways are sited.
Those portal gateways are between dimensions that are in the self same location, but exist upon different faces of geometry.
Through the looking glass....I do wander.
hobbit
I whish i had your insight, old freind :D
I say 'old' because i sense that you are a bit older than myself, that being 47 years.
48 soon, and in 2014 (if we get that far) i will throw the most amazing party, and you are all invited 8) I have even planned the lighting FX already!
Even if you can't make it physically, there will be 3 internet/skype/webcam connections running, so you can all join in, and if the internet is no more, then i will be broadcasting on 27.8 Mz or thereabouts (AM of course).
Wait till you see the rings that my wife & myself wear, the text (in welsh) says;
"One ring to find them, and in their love, bind them"
We bought those rings 2 years ago, on my suggestion, my wife thinks it's the most beautiful phrase ever....
PWM
I invited Dr. LaViolette but He did not respond to My invitation - spoke to all the other stuff I brought up, but expressed nothing one way or another about joining here. I take that is a vote of no interest...
Go to http://starburstfound.org/ and find the contact info. If You speak rationally, He's likely to respond. [grin]
I also asked the poster whose words started this thread if He is interested in joining - have not heard back yet.
Well, you ARE the Communicator, Amy, and i am grateful that you managed to track him down.
I think it's worth my while to contact him, i have a lot to discuss if he is open to it, i do agree with him, and i would like nothing more than to discuss this with him.
Give me 48 hours,
PWM
Quote from: PLAYSWITHMACHINES on April 28, 2012, 01:19:29 AM
Well, you ARE the Communicator, Amy, and i am grateful that you managed to track him down.
I think it's worth my while to contact him, i have a lot to discuss if he is open to it, i do agree with him, and i would like nothing more than to discuss this with him.
Give me 48 hours,
PWM
Paul and I have communicated off and on for a while, actually... [grin] You invite Him, too! If We keep at Him, maybe He'll grace this forum. [hope, hope]
OR....he will feel that he is being nibbled to death by ducks... ;D.
better to just continue with your conversations? He is not living with a bag over his head and I am sure is very aware of what is being said here. At some point the subject will call him over and he will respond.
But the fact that you reached over to touch him on the elbow Amaterasu.... thats special.
Linda
Quote from: Amaterasu on April 27, 2012, 09:24:12 PM
I surely don't miss the hours and hours of "debunking" the "debunkers," over at You know where. Don't miss that at all. Here, if someOne disagrees, They have good reasons for Their view and a proper debate can ensue. There it became to Monty Python routine: "Yes it is!" "No it isn't!"
a certain amount of debate is healthy though. when we challenge each other's concepts, we hone and expand related knowledge. if i hadn't debated the terra papers with you, i would not know what i do today about some aspects of the ancient past.
Standing up for what we have each said individually is really important. And there are cordial and gracious ways of saying almost anything.... its when the discord is more important than progress in understanding... thats when it make it so discouraging.
And I am always aware that the disruption is probably intentional and when you see that on a Forum that goes up in flames because of it.... you have to wonder just whose plan that was and why it was so successful.
The only time plans like that work is when people are not aware of them. I have a feeling that this crowd on the LivingMoon has already seen that kind of thing in action and are not about to let it happen here and that is a GREAT comfort. Most of you have alot of time and energy in sharing your thoughts here and all of that needs to be carefully protected and saved for future readers.
In my particular situation... I am just hoping that something I might happen to say someday will strike a chord with a particular person out there.... and he or she will think...." Wait.... I get it.....that makes sense.... all I have to do is.".... and they will launch off into their own particular creative endeavor and the spark will have successfully jumped from all of us and our efforts.... into the future!
Thats really what I am out to protect.... that single moment in time. As Dad told me once.... I am meant to be the moment between the chalk and the eraser.
I just hope that I am up to the task. Linda
Quote from: undo11 on April 28, 2012, 02:26:53 AM
a certain amount of debate is healthy though. when we challenge each other's concepts, we hone and expand related knowledge. if i hadn't debated the terra papers with you, i would not know what i do today about some aspects of the ancient past.
That was rather M'point. [grin]
At Alpha, et al, it was a Monty Python routine often, while here the debates are good, with all parties willing to reexamine Their positions. It was mainly the Spookz, I highly suspect, who created that. (When One addresses a point and then three posts down the same claims are made as if One had NOT addressed it at all... Yeah.)
I couldn't agree more with you all in your opinion's and mindset's of what it means too be not only resourceful and inventive, but the cordiality that is required for so many people too become friends we have never met.
I can remember when Matayas and Zorgon had asked me too be apart of the team Pegasus, I have some aerospace and aircraft knowledge and mechanical engineering know how, but nothing in comparison of what you guy's bring too the table for such adventurous tasks as putting the science too work and actually using the mindset of nothing short of out standing unknown associates.
I had originally joined that otherr site around 2006, but , and with great pleasure ended up here with you all. I can remember there being, I believe, 12-13 people signed up by invitation, some of those are unfortunately not here right now, but with strong hopes, I hope they will one day return too our site.
Though I do like this website and layout, I will always remember the Yahoo groups days s the "Beginning of the beginning" of all this now.Everyone that is now here is very is absolutely the correct gathering for such high sighted, like minded individuals.
And as for the difference of perceptual thoughts or ideals, it seems too be all good, we cannot be wrong all of the time, but, as a gathering of the minds, we can find the right in these personal ideologies without worrying about trolls, or rude obnoxious people. Linda and the rest that have acknowledge these great characteristics know that we did meet for a reason, and that reason was too elevate our understanding of the possible and the practical between each other too help one another, with respect.
So, with that in mind, I dedicate this too all of us as the vangaards of pure science and understanding of the true meaning of "Team effort".
I have told Zorgon this before, and I will say it now, "Thank you so much for giving me a place where I know I have no problem hanging my hat."
This is for you guy's:
QuoteGo placidly amidst the noise and haste, and remember what peace there may be in silence. As far as possible without surrender be on good terms with all persons. Speak your truth quietly and clearly; and listen to others, even the dull and the ignorant; they too have their story.
Avoid loud and aggressive persons, they are vexatious to the spirit. If you compare yourself with others, you may become vain or bitter; for always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself.
Enjoy your achievements as well as your plans. Keep interested in your own career, however humble; it is a real possession in the changing fortunes of time.
Exercise caution in your business affairs; for the world is full of trickery. But let this not blind you to what virtue there is; many persons strive for high ideals; and everywhere life is full of heroism.
Be yourself. Especially, do not feign affection. Neither be cynical about love; for in the face of all aridity and disenchantment it is as perennial as the grass.
Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things of youth. Nurture strength of spirit to shield you in sudden misfortune. But do not distress yourself with dark imaginings. Many fears are born of fatigue and loneliness.
Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with yourself. You are a child of the universe, no less than the trees and the stars; you have a right to be here.
And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should. Therefore be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be, and whatever your labours and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life keep peace with your soul. With all its shams, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be cheerful.
Strive to be happy.
by American writer Max Ehrmann (1872-1945).
I hope this poem finds its way too your heart and mind, ever since I had first read this poem, my perception's and understanding of the importance of human companionship has been changed forever, no matter who, what or what you bring too our table of existence.
unfortunately, what may start out as a query or disagreement on a subject, can end up being a whole lot more, sometimes rather quickly.
no matter how gently or innocently you put a falsehood or claim to have a superior source of knowledge than someone else's, you must be willing to accept that people will question the veracity of the claim, not because they don't like what you're saying, necessarily, but because they want to know how and why you would arrive to a totally different or mostly different answer than they did, with the same data. this is not unusual and is not meant as a criticism of the theorist, but rather confusion seeking clarification.
you must also be willing to accept that if the answer to the query is not satisfactory, there's a good chance, it will be asked again or the person may even lose interest. i know when skeptics ask me why i believe there was a real stargate when it's just a tv show, they often don't accept my answers and are rarely satisfied with any attempt i make to answer the questions to their satisfaction.
expecting people to suddenly just give up years of research and replace it with your research is over simplifying the complexity of human thinking. it just doesn't work that way unless what you've said is so overwhelmingly obvious, the best you can hope for is a very slow realization and even then, perhaps only to a small degree.
Just to add humor - every time I encounter Desiderata, I can't help thinking of NatLamp's Radio Dinner album, a formative force in My youth, and Deteriorata:
Introduction
You are a fluke
Of the universe.
You have no right to be here.....
Deteriorata! Deteriorata!
Go placidly
Amid the noise and waste.
And remember what comfort there may be
In owning a piece thereof.
Avoid quiet and passive persons
Unless you are in need of sleep.
Rotate your tires.
Speak glowingly of those greater than yourself
And heed well their advice,
Even though they be turkeys.
Know what to kiss.....and when!
Consider that two wrongs never make a right
But that THREE.........do.
Wherever possible, put people on hold.
Be comforted that in the face of all aridity and disillusionment
And despite the changing fortunes of time,
There is always a big future in computer maintenance.
Chorus
You are a fluke
Of the universe.
You have no right to be here.
And whether you can hear it or not
The universe is laughing behind your back.
Remember the Pueblo.
Strive at all times to bend, fold, spindle and mutilate.
Know yourself.
If you need help, call the FBI.
Exercise caution in your daily affairs,
Especially with those persons closest to you.
That lemon on your left, for instance.
Be assured that a walk through the ocean of most souls
Would scarcely get your feet wet.
Fall not in love therefore;
It will stick to your face.
Gracefully surrender the things of youth:
The birds, clean air, tuna, Taiwan
And let not the sands of time
Get in your lunch.
Hire people with hooks.
For a good time call 606-4311;
Ask for "Ken."
Take heart amid the deepening gloom
That your dog is finally getting enough cheese.
And reflect that whatever misfortune may be your lot
It could only be worse in Milwaukee.
Chorus
You are a fluke
Of the universe.
You have no right to be here.
And whether you can hear it or not
The universe is laughing behind your back.
Therefore, make peace with your god
Whatever you conceive him to be---
Hairy thunderer, or cosmic muffin.
With all its hopes, dreams, promises and urban renewal
The world continues to deteriorate.
GIVE UP!
Reprise
You are a fluke
Of the universe.
You have no right to be here.
And whether you can hear it or not
The universe is laughing behind your back.
Beth, surely each One of Us carries an ego, but My point was not that debate cannot become heated at times - it will - but that at that other site, I would have a response, say, of "That violates the laws of thermodynamics," to which I explain that the energy is there in the aether, and no violation is taking place. This response will not be addressed in the next few posts by the same poster, and then that poster will chime in with, "That violates the laws of thermodynamics!"
I saw this pattern over and over. On free energy and on 9/11, especially. That is why I developed the habit of rolling My eyes and telling Them They were right. In fact one poster was particularly prolific at this tactic and in honor of Him, I labeled My action "Bonchification."
So it was not a matter of questions being asked. It was a matter of statements made, being addressed, the addressing of the statements being ignored, and then restating the selfsame things as if they had not been addressed.
So it was not a matter of questions being asked. It was a matter of statements made, being addressed, the addressing of the statements being ignored, and then restating the selfsame things as if they had not been addressed.
Oh! I see that you have met my husband then!
( Sorry sweetie ) Linda
Quote from: Linda Brown on April 28, 2012, 08:33:25 PM
So it was not a matter of questions being asked. It was a matter of statements made, being addressed, the addressing of the statements being ignored, and then restating the selfsame things as if they had not been addressed.
Oh! I see that you have met my husband then!
( Sorry sweetie ) Linda
Yup. I got that tactic frequently.
LOL! re: Your husband!
Quote from: Amaterasu on April 28, 2012, 06:56:19 PM
Just to add humor - every time I encounter Desiderata, I can't help thinking of NatLamp's Radio Dinner album, a formative force in My youth, and Deteriorata:
Introduction
You are a fluke
Of the universe.
You have no right to be here.....
Deteriorata! Deteriorata!
Go placidly
Amid the noise and waste.
And remember what comfort there may be
In owning a piece thereof.
Avoid quiet and passive persons
Unless you are in need of sleep.
Rotate your tires.
Speak glowingly of those greater than yourself
And heed well their advice,
Even though they be turkeys.
Know what to kiss.....and when!
Consider that two wrongs never make a right
But that THREE.........do.
Wherever possible, put people on hold.
Be comforted that in the face of all aridity and disillusionment
And despite the changing fortunes of time,
There is always a big future in computer maintenance.
Chorus
You are a fluke
Of the universe.
You have no right to be here.
And whether you can hear it or not
The universe is laughing behind your back.
Remember the Pueblo.
Strive at all times to bend, fold, spindle and mutilate.
Know yourself.
If you need help, call the FBI.
Exercise caution in your daily affairs,
Especially with those persons closest to you.
That lemon on your left, for instance.
Be assured that a walk through the ocean of most souls
Would scarcely get your feet wet.
Fall not in love therefore;
It will stick to your face.
Gracefully surrender the things of youth:
The birds, clean air, tuna, Taiwan
And let not the sands of time
Get in your lunch.
Hire people with hooks.
For a good time call 606-4311;
Ask for "Ken."
Take heart amid the deepening gloom
That your dog is finally getting enough cheese.
And reflect that whatever misfortune may be your lot
It could only be worse in Milwaukee.
Chorus
You are a fluke
Of the universe.
You have no right to be here.
And whether you can hear it or not
The universe is laughing behind your back.
Therefore, make peace with your god
Whatever you conceive him to be---
Hairy thunderer, or cosmic muffin.
With all its hopes, dreams, promises and urban renewal
The world continues to deteriorate.
GIVE UP!
Reprise
You are a fluke
Of the universe.
You have no right to be here.
And whether you can hear it or not
The universe is laughing behind your back.
Beth, surely each One of Us carries an ego, but My point was not that debate cannot become heated at times - it will - but that at that other site, I would have a response, say, of "That violates the laws of thermodynamics," to which I explain that the energy is there in the aether, and no violation is taking place. This response will not be addressed in the next few posts by the same poster, and then that poster will chime in with, "That violates the laws of thermodynamics!"
I saw this pattern over and over. On free energy and on 9/11, especially. That is why I developed the habit of rolling My eyes and telling Them They were right. In fact one poster was particularly prolific at this tactic and in honor of Him, I labeled My action "Bonchification."
So it was not a matter of questions being asked. It was a matter of statements made, being addressed, the addressing of the statements being ignored, and then restating the selfsame things as if they had not been addressed.
i liked both poems, the original and the lampoon version!
bonch? name seems vaguaely familar.
my previous comment here ( http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=1192.msg12511#msg12511 ) was not aimed at anybody but everybody, including myself.
Bonch...Oh... A major "debunker" there.
Quote from: Amaterasu on April 29, 2012, 01:30:14 AM
Bonch...Oh... A major "debunker" there.
Oh Bonch Oh. :D
hmm, think i may have encountered that person. my first big debunker was a guy who called himself marduk. as far as he was concerned, everything sumerian, akkadian, even stories from india, were all very mundane. i was like, well how do explain enki building his city in the abyss? lol (i was being tricky cause he hadn't as yet acknowledged that the abzu was the abyss and there was no way he would admit the abyss was on dry land, yet here he was claiming the abzu was just that part of sumer where enki built his temple city. i said, well, if he built his temple city in the abyss, you might have some explaining to do. hehe then i proved it by quoting the first assyriologist to decipher sumerian cuneiform-- samuel noah kramer, who translated one of the texts to say just that: et.al, enki built the floating, flying temple city in the abyss and raised it up and floated it over the water like a lofty mountain (kinda paraphrased).
here's 2 excerpts from it:
The lord of the abyss, the king Enki, Enki the Lord who decrees the fates, Built his house of silver and lapis lazuli; Its silver and lapis lazuli, like sparkling light, The father fashioned fittingly in the abyss.
[...]
Then Enki raises the city of Eridu from the abyss and makes it float over the water like a lofty mountain.
this was my artistic impression
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/45stargates/04images/covers/stargates1.jpg)
he then tried to say it was a mundane boat. :D
i said, a boat made of silver and gold? :D
oh yeah, that sounds like it would float on water. the text doesn't say it was made of wood, at all. in fact, it says it was made entirely of silver, covered over in gold, with blue lapis lazuli decorations. oh and its walls could give advice. it roared. it glowed so brightly it lit up the area. sounds just like a boat to me (sarcasm required!). hehe he had two options at that point: admit they had advanced boat tech or admit they had advanced flight tech.
Ah yes, I remember Marduk. Interesting moniker, that. I had a run-in with Him, too, but Boncho was My main...adversary.
NICE pic, BTW!
I am glad that I missed that exchange because surely I would have muddied the conversation up!
"i said, a boat made of silver and gold?
oh yeah, that sounds like it would float on water. the text doesn't say it was made of wood, at all. in fact, it says it was made entirely
of silver, covered over in gold, with blue lapis lazuli decorations. oh and its walls could give advice. it roared. it glowed so brightly it lit up the area. sounds just like a boat to me (sarcasm required!). hehe he had two options at that point: admit they had advanced boat tech or admit they had advanced flight tech.
Ah.... so here I go.... a little late to the party, but what the heck.
Silver and lapis lazurli huh. Exactly the material that the ring given to me by my father was made out of. He handed it to me after I had seen a vision/dream actually come true... I was just twelve years old....had "seen " a specific black horse in my dream... down to the details of the saddle blanket colors and design... in my dream the black horse had a white fence behind it... it was saddled... neighing and galloping with its reins flying loose. When I told Dad about that dream his only comment was that the " horse is looking for you Sweetie" Later that day the horse trader we had searching for a horse for me called my Mother and said he had located a mare we might be interested in. We were to meet him at his farm after Dad got off of work at the lab in Winston Salem ( The Bahnson Lab).
It was dark when we met at his place and I had been so disappointed in earlier horse offers ( which Dad always turned down) that I didn't even bother going to the barn but waited by the corral.... when the mare was brought out I can remember grabbing my Dads arm as she approached.... a coal black mare with a saddle blanket of red, white and black stripes... identical to my dream... when she was led past us and into the corral ( white fenced) the gate hit her haunches and she reared back... broke away from the groom and took off running around and around in circles.... with her reings flying loose... she looked at me as she galloped... and neighed.... the horse broker thought that the deal had been ruined but my Dad simply turned to him and said..." I will take the mare... and I want the saddle and blanket too."
Funny little horse story but afterwards we went out for desert at a local restaurant and Dad presented me with the gift of a ring that he happened to have in his pocket. It was a very old ring... he told me that it was " ancient" ... made of silver and lapis lazurli.. he said that the ancients believed that they could talk through the dimensions of time with it and that it kept them safe. He gave it to me then to remember the special moment that night.... that was in 1958.
Though the ring was a mans ring and did not fit me I wore it on a chain around my neck... or with it taped so that it would fit..... and finally gave it to a fellow someone else has called " Morgan" on a January morning in 1966. He was embarrassed that he didn't have anything to give me in exchange... fished around in his jean pocket and pulled out a New York City transit coin. We were in love... we didn't know what our futures were going to bring. We thought that we might never see each other again....
http://www.smashwords.com/books/view/49963
Well... History is strange isn't it.
And now you talk of a ship made of lapis and silver and gold.... that " roars"..... and you have my immediate attention of course.
One of the traits of one of my Dads technologies is that it happens to " roar" and puts off an odd blue light.
So tell me more. You have my complete attention. Linda
Quote from: Linda Brown on April 29, 2012, 02:57:17 AM
I am glad that I missed that exchange because surely I would have muddied the conversation up!
"i said, a boat made of silver and gold?
oh yeah, that sounds like it would float on water. the text doesn't say it was made of wood, at all. in fact, it says it was made entirely
of silver, covered over in gold, with blue lapis lazuli decorations. oh and its walls could give advice. it roared. it glowed so brightly it lit up the area. sounds just like a boat to me (sarcasm required!). hehe he had two options at that point: admit they had advanced boat tech or admit they had advanced flight tech.
Ah.... so here I go.... a little late to the party, but what the heck.
Silver and lapis lazurli huh. Exactly the material that the ring given to me by my father was made out of. He handed it to me after I had seen a vision/dream actually come true... I was just twelve years old....had "seen " a specific black horse in my dream... down to the details of the saddle blanket colors and design... in my dream the black horse had a white fence behind it... it was saddled... neighing and galloping with its reins flying loose. When I told Dad about that dream his only comment was that the " horse is looking for you Sweetie" Later that day the horse trader we had searching for a horse for me called my Mother and said he had located a mare we might be interested in. We were to meet him at his farm after Dad got off of work at the lab in Winston Salem ( The Bahnson Lab).
It was dark when we met at his place and I had been so disappointed in earlier horse offers ( which Dad always turned down) that I didn't even bother going to the barn but waited by the corral.... when the mare was brought out I can remember grabbing my Dads arm as she approached.... a coal black mare with a saddle blanket of red, white and black stripes... identical to my dream... when she was led past us and into the corral ( white fenced) the gate hit her haunches and she reared back... broke away from the groom and took off running around and around in circles.... with her reings flying loose... she looked at me as she galloped... and neighed.... the horse broker thought that the deal had been ruined but my Dad simply turned to him and said..." I will take the mare... and I want the saddle and blanket too."
Funny little horse story but afterwards we went out for desert at a local restaurant and Dad presented me with the gift of a ring that he happened to have in his pocket. It was a very old ring... he told me that it was " ancient" ... made of silver and lapis lazurli.. he said that the ancients believed that they could talk through the dimensions of time with it and that it kept them safe. He gave it to me then to remember the special moment that night.... that was in 1958.
Though the ring was a mans ring and did not fit me I wore it on a chain around my neck... or with it taped so that it would fit..... and finally gave it to a fellow someone else has called " Morgan" on a January morning in 1966. He was embarrassed that he didn't have anything to give me in exchange... fished around in his jean pocket and pulled out a New York City transit coin. We were in love... we didn't know what our futures were going to bring. We thought that we might never see each other again....
http://www.smashwords.com/books/view/49963
Well... History is strange isn't it.
And now you talk of a ship made of lapis and silver and gold.... that " roars"..... and you have my immediate attention of course.
One of the traits of one of my Dads technologies is that it happens to " roar" and puts off an odd blue light.
So tell me more. You have my complete attention. Linda
interesting story.
well marduk assumed they were white people from the mountains of russia, who had sea going capability and that "heaven" was just a city on a mountaintop. i asked him where he got that idea because holy mountains were often ziggurats or pyramids. and if there were such a place named heaven on top of a ziggurat or pyramid, it might just be a single portal locale such as the temple at the top of the etemenanki. that wasn't the answer he wanted. lol
regarding the metals of enki's temple city, which was called many things including E.ABZU and E.NUN (yes that's like the egyptian "nun" but not the catholic "nun")., i can even cite you the exact quotes and link you to the exact sumerian texts, if you'd like.
they have an equivalent in the story of the appearance of RA, in the LEGEND OF THE DESTRUCTION OF MANKIND. the people were murmuring saying RA's skin was like gold, his bones like silver and his hair like lapis lazuli. i thought waiiiit a minute, this sounds like an exact description of enki's e.abzu. silver inside, gold outside, lapis lazuli decorations. i wonder if they deified an abzu gate in egypt (this was before i realized nimrod had potentially taken a gate to egypt from akkad, when his attempt to reopen the babel abzu had met with great displeasure and resulted in that gate being turned back off and eventually buried under piles of rubble.).
remember there were people sized and ship sized abzus. the people sized ones, were in the structures on land, typically subterranean and under temples. the ship sized ones were under water, typically in large bodies of water, although i did find an odd reference to one in an incan text, on the bottom of lake titicaca.
furthermore, Enki was known by this time as EA. i wondered if perhaps RA was EA or rather RA was EA's gate, deified. but it would have to be a specific one because RA had the biggest and most powerful "EYE" on the planet. the big abzu enki arrived here from, the abyss on the floor of the persian gulf, was potentially known as RA's EYE.
so now you can add to the rest of your theory that the gate is somehow associated with silver and lapis lazuli (and gold) as well.
p.s. EA is pronunced A-YAH. the E has the A as in Abel sound. Hayah. the root word for Jehovah (remember hayah asher hayah? i am that i am?). etymology is:
hyh
hvh
j(hvh)
another version is
h(yh)
(yh)wh
Undo11
Your knowledge goes far beyond mine in the studies named here....... I still have many questions.......
What are the special properties of Lapis Lazurli?
I know that the ring I was given had streaks of gold interlaced in it.....
Anyone out there know its other properties?
And why was that particular stone so valued by the ancients?
Linda
Interestingly... I naturally pronounced EA as A-YAH, not EE-YAH. Though I did wonder whether I was pronouncing it correctly. Now I know. [smile]
Google is amazing of course.
http://www.charmsoflight.com/lapis-lazuli-healing-properties.html
Lapis Lazuli is a combination rock type of Calcite, Lazurite & Pyrite. Lapis Lazuli is a 9th Anniversary gemstone.
Chakras - Throat Chakra, Third Eye Chakra
Birthstone - December
Zodiac - Taurus, Sagittarius
Typical colours - deep blue flecked with gold (Pyrite)
A stone of protection that may be worn to guard against psychic attacks, Lapis Lazuli quickly releases stress, bringing deep peace. It brings harmony and deep inner self-knowledge. Encourages self-awareness, allows self-expression and reveals inner truth, providing qualities of honesty, compassion and morality to the personality. Stimulates objectivity, clarity and encourages creativity. Lapis Lazuli assists to confront and speak one's truth and inspires confidence. It bonds relationships, aiding in expression of feelings and emotions.
Lapis Lazuli boosts the immune system, purifies blood, lowers blood pressure, cooling and soothing areas of inflammation. It alleviates insomnia and vertigo, and overcomes depression. Lapis Lazuli benefits the respiratory and nervous systems and the throat, vocal chords, and thyroid, cleanses organs, bone marrow and thymus
This is what the ancients must have believed too... I wonder about this idea of " purifying blood" came from ... and the idea of "cleansing organs and bone marrow" is interesting too..... going way out on the limb here......( old saying.... cause thats where the fruit is) and I want to wonder out loud if ancient space travelers exposed to impurities in the environment here wouldn't value something that actually DID remove impurities.
I know that Bentonite is known for this. Strangely its other properties made it special in Dads research.
All I am pointing out here is....when an ancient people picks a blue stone up out of the dirt and invests it with special qualities.... for their health and well beings.... maybe they were on to something we should be paying attention to.....
But above and beyond that Dad particularly told me that the rings material could be used to " communicate".... Just so you know where my thoughts are taking me here. It might be a dead end. But its worth the trip I think.
A stone of protection that may be worn to guard against psychic attacks.... interesting to see that because when I handed "Morgan" that ring I told him that I felt that it would " keep him safe" and it was the psychic attacks more than any other that I was thinking of at the time. Linda
Quote from: Linda Brown on April 29, 2012, 06:33:33 AM
Undo11
Your knowledge goes far beyond mine in the studies named here....... I still have many questions.......
What are the special properties of Lapis Lazurli?
I know that the ring I was given had streaks of gold interlaced in it.....
Anyone out there know its other properties?
And why was that particular stone so valued by the ancients?
Linda
to be honest, i always thought that the metals mentioned weren't really silver or gold but just looked like them in color. lapis lazuli, also. not really lapis lazuli but looked like it.
of course, at the time i was developing my theory i had recalled the name of the metal the gates were made of in the tv show. it was naqada (naquada?) or something like that, which just happens to be the name of a time period in which the pharaonic line was initiated at abydos (the naqada period), and there were nearby mines used to build it. so my theory was that some special metal was available from the mines near abydos and it was this metal the gates were made of. that was, however, just a theory, as it seems the texts actually suggest more than one metal is involved, but it might explain why those areas of the planet were more readily developed than the opposite sides of the globe on the same latitude.
sitchin came to a similar conclusion but at an entirely different part of africa. it was also associated with abzu. in fact, he thought the mines of south africa were abzu. he was hitting on high points on all this data, but missing the target and the entire picture by refusing to acknowledge the veracity of data in the new testament, for the most part, except where he thought he could match up a potential nibiru event.
Quote from: Amaterasu on April 29, 2012, 06:38:02 AM
Interestingly... I naturally pronounced EA as A-YAH, not EE-YAH. Though I did wonder whether I was pronouncing it correctly. Now I know. [smile]
yeah! ayah. not sure where the "h" for hayah came from, but i'm pretty sure these two are the same word.
undo,
I am fascinated to hear your take on these time periods and what occured.
I am familiar with Sitchin's work but have heard from many that he missed the mark on several items.
Could you start a thread with your read on the story back then or have you done so already. So far I have only seen bits and pieces in different threads.
Oh, yes, please, Beth! And link to the Sumerian texts (in English, I would hope!)!
Quote from: A51Watcher on April 29, 2012, 08:41:19 AM
undo,
I am fascinated to hear your take on these time periods and what occured.
I am familiar with Sitchin's work but have heard from many that he missed the mark on several items.
Could you start a thread with your read on the story back then or have you done so already. So far I have only seen bits and pieces in different threads.
well erm. i have 300 pages of data on the subject in a thread on ats,called "stargates are real" but it's very hard to read because as time goes on, i learn new info and change some of my theories, other people chime in and either add to it, or try to debunk it, arguments ensue, i throw temper tantrums, so by the end of the thread (if you make it that far) you'd feel like you need a vacation or something. it's emotionally exhausting and very frustrating to read.
i would start another one here, but as i told zorgon, just seems like info that generates too much controversy and gets me into trouble. lol can't seem to help but chime in about it, when the opportunity arises, but to dedicate energy and effort to it, to that degree, again, almost seems like
punching myself in the face, repeatedly.
Quote from: Amaterasu on April 29, 2012, 08:48:13 AM
Oh, yes, please, Beth! And link to the Sumerian texts (in English, I would hope!)!
here's a good one to start with. it has more meaning per square inch than oxford dictionary. i mean, wowzers.
Enki and the World Order
http://etcsl.orinst.ox.ac.uk/cgi-bin/etcsl.cgi?text=t.1.1.3&charenc=j#
Quote from: undo11 on April 29, 2012, 08:51:15 AM
well erm. i have 300 pages of data on the subject in a thread on ats,called "stargates are real" but it's very hard to read because as time goes on, i learn new info and change some of my theories, other people chime in and either add to it, or try to debunk it, arguments ensue, i throw temper tantrums, so by the end of the thread (if you make it that far) you'd feel like you need a vacation or something. it's emotionally exhausting and very frustrating to read.
i would start another one here, but as i told zorgon, just seems like info that generates too much controversy and gets me into trouble. lol can't seem to help but chime in about it, when the opportunity arises, but to dedicate energy and effort to it, to that degree, again, almost seems like
punching myself in the face, repeatedly.
I know the feeling well. My Roswell thread on there is like 27 pages what with all the nonsense that interrupts the topic.
The exact same thread I posted here in which I simply deleted all the exterraneous bs is only like 8 pages. lol
Maybe you could do the same? Some clarity on the era would be most appreciated.
As far as causing trouble?
Just let em try! ZZZAP!! ;)
(p.s. are you familiar with Hancock's 'Fingerprints of the Gods' and do you subscribe to the theory?)
Boy, those Sumerians sure liked writing sappy kiss-assy prose, didn't They! LOL! Haven't gotten through the reading yet, but I jumped right in when I saw the link. Thanks!
EDIT to add: Wow. I wish I knew what all Inana's prerogatives were. She was an interesting Being, indeed.
Quote from: undo11 on April 29, 2012, 08:51:15 AM
well erm. i have 300 pages of data on the subject in a thread on ats,called "stargates are real" but it's very hard to read because as time goes on, i learn new info and change some of my theories, other people chime in and either add to it, or try to debunk it, arguments ensue, i throw temper tantrums, so by the end of the thread (if you make it that far) you'd feel like you need a vacation or something. it's emotionally exhausting and very frustrating to read.
i would start another one here, but as i told zorgon, just seems like info that generates too much controversy and gets me into trouble. lol can't seem to help but chime in about it, when the opportunity arises, but to dedicate energy and effort to it, to that degree, again, almost seems like
punching myself in the face, repeatedly.
Somehow I doubt You would get the degree of negativity here that You got there... Just sayin'.
Quote from: A51Watcher on April 29, 2012, 09:10:03 AM
Maybe you could do the same? Some clarity on the era would be most appreciated.
(p.s. are you familiar with Hancock's 'Fingerprints of the Gods' and do you subscribe to the theory?)
the other problem is, that the thread is 5 years old and during that time, my original website had to come down because hubby retired after 23 years in the air force, thinking he was going to get a job with the DoD and it didn't work out like he planned. he ended up a year without a job as the slot he was thinking he was going to get, was suddenly taken by a woman who was stuck overseas and wanted to come back stateside. she had first priority even though she wasn't actually in the right job slot.
we got behind on everything. was bad. we're still trying to catch up 2 years later. so there are many broken links to images and such that were on my original website. it's hard to follow and just as hard to edit. just ask zorg. he started trying to bring in here and realized it was more work than it was worth.
i do have a series of ebooks on thelivingmoon.com you can read. that's the same website as this pegasus forum is on, just in different section. the first 2 ebooks are outdated as several of my theories have changed or been added to or modified. and the newer, partial ebook has some of my older theories also, so is also somewhat different now as well. lol it's one of those areas where info can expand or change as new information becomes available. and we're talking about 6000 years of recorded history and associated artifacts.
what's hancock's theory? i know i read it but i've read so much stuff.
Sooooo.... Just start fresh.... Let all of that old material find you again. It will. Its going somewhere. It would be a shame to ignore what is trying to happen here.
You said some thing about nearby mines and that your " impression " was that the colors were actually something else?
I think I was fortuneate to miss out on all of the dissention that you had to go throught to get to this point! but I have seen it happen too...
It makes old stuff almost impossible to read through. all of that was not random ... I know that you see that now....
The positive thing is that you didn't give up.... here you are!.... and there is something that is STILL asking to be shown here.... something that you know....
So please start a new thread. If we all find it too fantastic we can just not respond.... want to bet that won't happen?
Linda
Speaking of mining. The material of Lapis Lazurli is generally from an area in Afghanistan. It has been mined by humans for over 6000 years.
Just an interesting point.
What else was mined?
You keep coming back to the idea of a "GATE"
Do you remember the FIRST time that concept came to you? The very first? Because if we need to go back a little bit we might as well go to the first moment that you thought this might be possible.
Probably tough to do huh?
Thats really a question that might go out to everybody. Beyond the Stargate programs.... when was the first thought of such a thing to each of you.
With me it was the image of someone putting a rose down and having it disappear. And knowing that at some other place and in some other time a very special person picked it up. That was the first thought for me.
Now its just the hard work of getting from here to there. Linda
yeah in fact i do remember. i was studying the book of revelation and decided i would try to figure out why some things were in there, that i hadn't studied before. i hadn't studied the bottomless pit (abyss) in revelation 9. so i started to research it, and it lead all the way back to the abzu of enki.
i knew nothing about the abzu of enki at the time, which is kinda odd. i don't recall how i ended up connecting these two things. i think it was the etymology. at the time i was thinking, well, if there was such a thing in the time of the prophet john, there must still be such a thing and perhaps was such a thing before then as well. it's possible also, that i stumbled on to samuel noah kramer's reference to the abyss and enki. i should try a google search and see how far down in the search engine it goes before it pulls up his references
well i'm not seeing anything that jogs my memory on how i found it. i knew it must be some kind of odd gated thing because it says it has a door, and the door has to be unlocked with a key, so it couldn't be the ocean. not to mention, i've never heard of swimming locusts before so i knew if it was in the water, that the things that come out of are presumably not part of the water but from some place on the other side of the door.
Without having to get specific and without having to prove anything to anybody.... what do you think... after all of this time studying... what do you think is out there. What do you see it as being.... A door to another dimension? A gate? Thats the impression that I get from some of the things that you have said and you seem to be looking for a clue in the past that will consolidate that thought in your head. What if you didn't need proof from the past..... what would you see? You can be as fanciful as you want to be here.... Thats part of all of this.... what is your " minds eye" showing you?
Linda
Quote from: Linda Brown on April 29, 2012, 05:28:59 PM
what is your " minds eye" showing you?
Linda
if i didn't have past info, i wouldn't have studied it, and i wouldn't know anything about it, most likely. whether it's to another planet or another dimension, i dunno what to say on that. i mean it could be either or, or even right here in this dimension on this planet (some say there's an entire civ underground, but i don't know why it would need a key to unlock it.
it seems unlikely unless that part already happened (the timeline in that part is a bit sketchy but i do believe the constellations mentioned may help in some way with identifying timeframe, but i'm not well studied in that area so the best i can do is find someone who has already figured out timeframe for that, and that's gonna be difficult as the only person i found who had studied timeline in revelation, specificially, died recently. i don't think anyone else had quite the level of expertise he did so it's unlikely i'll find anyone else who would know or even try. it's not a pleasant subject for most of us.
this is a curious line of questioning. i get the feeling you're trying to lead it in a certain direction. what is YOUR take on it?
Beth, what of the Dogon and Nommo? Or the Oannes "myths...?" What are Your thought on those?
Quote from: Amaterasu on April 29, 2012, 06:09:15 PM
Beth, what of the Dogon and Nommo? Or the Oannes "myths...?" What are Your thought on those?
jury's still out on dogon.
oannes. ..well that's gotta be some later reference to enki. what do you think?
I get the impression that Oannes is the same character as Nommo. I do recommend reading The Sirius Mystery - it's available in PDF on the web - and though it's a bit outdated in the sense that additional info has surfaced, it is impeccable research, and makes a strong case for a connection, not only of Nommo and Oannes, but also Them to Enki/EA...
VERY enlightening.
Quote from: Amaterasu on April 29, 2012, 06:14:13 PM
I get the impression that Oannes is the same character as Nommo. I do recommend reading The Sirius Mystery - it's available in PDF on the web - and though it's a bit outdated in the sense that additional info has surfaced, it is impeccable research, and makes a strong case for a connection, not only of Nommo and Oannes, but also Them to Enki/EA...
VERY enlightening.
pretty obvious, actually. i'm not sure, but i think i've either heard that author on c2c or read some of his material before, but doesn't sitchin also claim oannes and enki are the same ? one of those times where i agree with him.
Beth,
Nothing I could say would help you see what is your own path to discover. I was just sort of asking you for a summary of where you think you are at the moment in your understanding of all of this.
Questions can pile up, trust me... but at some time its probably a good thing to just ask yourself " What are my conclusions to this point?" Linda
Quote from: undo11 on April 29, 2012, 06:24:11 PM
pretty obvious, actually. i'm not sure, but i think i've either heard that author on c2c or read some of his material before, but doesn't sitchin also claim oannes and enki are the same ? one of those times where i agree with him.
Robert Temple is the author of The Sirius Mystery. To be frank... I haven't really looked into Sitchen in detail, so I am unsure what His claims are - except for the "Nibiru" thing. And I'm on the fence about that.
Quote from: Amaterasu on April 29, 2012, 06:43:01 PM
Robert Temple is the author of The Sirius Mystery. To be frank... I haven't really looked into Sitchen in detail, so I am unsure what His claims are - except for the "Nibiru" thing. And I'm on the fence about that.
sitchin's take on all of that stuff is that they are aliens from planet nibiru, some of who mined earth in the past, for gold to salt nibiru's atmosphere with. a scientist who is identified in the tale as enki, is part of the mining team. he has royal parents. his father is anu and his brother is enlil. the junior anunnaki didn't want to work at mining anymore and went on strike. enki was forced to come up with a solution. his solution was to take a primitive cave man he had seen on the planet, and upgrade him with his own genes and use the new race thus created to work the mines instead.
the anunnaki have very long lifespans, lasting into the 1000 year range. a new anunnaki takes over possession of the earth at the end of each age of precession. it parallels some of what terra papers say and the rest of it is different.
Quote from: Linda Brown on April 29, 2012, 06:32:41 PM
Beth,
Nothing I could say would help you see what is your own path to discover. I was just sort of asking you for a summary of where you think you are at the moment in your understanding of all of this.
Questions can pile up, trust me... but at some time its probably a good thing to just ask yourself " What are my conclusions to this point?" Linda
oh my conclusions at this point are, that there's a stargate of mammoth proportions buried under the newer stretch of the euphrates river, created by silt deposition over the last 4000 or so years, out into the gulf. and it is one of the eye of ra gates. it's the big abzu. somebody is gonna come down from space and open it with a key of some kind. i do not believe in the occult version of these gate openings, which is mostly based on sex magick. i do believe that's a distraction from the real deal, which is not sexual at all.
I've been thinking that our ancient ancestors who are on the other side of the Universe are coming back for a visit... Probably just my imagination but at times I feel like I've contacted them, but I'm no psychic. Just a day-dreamer...
Quote from: Captain Dave on April 29, 2012, 07:39:02 PM
I've been thinking that our ancient ancestors who are on the other side of the Universe are coming back for a visit... Probably just my imagination but at times I feel like I've contacted them, but I'm no psychic. Just a day-dreamer...
Oh, I feel it too. VERY strongly. I don't think it is a dream.
Quote from: undo11 on April 29, 2012, 09:45:12 AM
the other problem is, that the thread is 5 years old and during that time, my original website had to come down because hubby retired after 23 years in the air force, thinking he was going to get a job with the DoD and it didn't work out like he planned. he ended up a year without a job as the slot he was thinking he was going to get, was suddenly taken by a woman who was stuck overseas and wanted to come back stateside. she had first priority even though she wasn't actually in the right job slot.
we got behind on everything. was bad. we're still trying to catch up 2 years later. so there are many broken links to images and such that were on my original website. it's hard to follow and just as hard to edit. just ask zorg. he started trying to bring in here and realized it was more work than it was worth.
i do have a series of ebooks on thelivingmoon.com you can read. that's the same website as this pegasus forum is on, just in different section. the first 2 ebooks are outdated as several of my theories have changed or been added to or modified. and the newer, partial ebook has some of my older theories also, so is also somewhat different now as well. lol it's one of those areas where info can expand or change as new information becomes available. and we're talking about 6000 years of recorded history and associated artifacts.
what's hancock's theory? i know i read it but i've read so much stuff.
Ok I see. Thanks for the explanation.
If Zorg conceded defeat that pretty much says it all.
Perhaps a thread just to answer questions for inquiring minds? You are kind of doing that already but it is spread throught several threads here.
As to Hancock's 'Fingerprints of the Gods' he basically makes a case for all the interestinig spots around the globe that exhibit advanced stone cutting and moving capability, aligned these sites with an astronomical compass bearing in mind, pointing to a period of about 14,000 years ago.
This also happens to be around the same time the Sphinx was carved, but this discovery had not been made or confirmed yet at the time of writing his book or I'm sure he would have included it.
That book was the one however that brought the odd 'antechamber' in the GP to my attention. No one else had ever focused attention on that area to my knowledge.
Quote from: Linda Brown on April 29, 2012, 02:57:17 AM
One of the traits of one of my Dads technologies is that it happens to " roar" and puts off an odd blue light.
Think I may have seen/heard that a couple times...
So you can understand my interest when someone who is well steeped in ancient stories mentions that in combination with lapis lazurli... which also has a strong connection with me. Just trying to establish one dot at a time~
Linda
well for those who didn't watch any of the stargate tv series (up to stargate atlantis. not so sure about the last one. it's a bit, shall we say, over the top? has very little in the way of actual information and is mostly just a melodrama in the same vein of the new battlestar galactica series, that took a somewhat interesting and basically informative concept, with intermittent bits of humor and camp, and turned it into a depressing soap opera), the following might prove interesting. a bit of back history is required, however:
any time the bible talks about people being killed enmasse by "holy" or "unholy" rivals to humans, my lie detector starts going off and further investigation ensues. reason? because i know as a parent and friend of others, that i would not wish death or destruction or hell or torture, on other sentient beings, whether i deemed them to be humans or not.
the idea that there's a righteous judge or judges of all our activities, is not such a bad thing, but the idea there's a righteous judge or judges of all our activities who suddenly loses the ability to have compassion, understanding, hindsight or foresight, is not a righteous judge. if i can do better than that; me, just a lowly human of less than glorious standards or abilities, than why wouldn't a superior entity or entities, be able to? of course, they/he/she is able to. so the next question is, what does it mean then that we see such language in the texts?
many people have suggested that such texts are required to scare humans, who are part animal, into behaving with some semblance of intelligent sentience and not just thoughtless reactions to random or deliberate input meant to jerk them around like puppets on a string.
the fact of the matter is, even THAT is the result of believing yourself worthy or capable of righteously judging others, which in human parlance means you're an ego maniac like the rest of us. now why would a righteous judge or judges present themselves as ego maniacs?
maybe because its our (humans) language and we understand it, we respond to it, and the ultimate idea is to get us to respond in some predictable or unpredictable way. to change us, to mold and shape us, into something better than the original product. and we all do that with each other and our own children to one degree or another.
in effect the texts are speaking human to get non-human responses commensurate with the goal, which is, to make us use our abilities, to shape us into something more than human puppets. i'm guessing the idea is to cut the puppet strings and react of your own accord, without the need of a nanny because you finally figured out what nanny was trying to say.
therefore, it is my belief that hell is not what we've been lead to believe, but is rather, yet another name for a wormhole. the text of revelation sounds dire and grim, but perhaps this is because we are viewing it from our human thought patterns. it's also possible that humans who haven't as yet cut their own puppet strings, have tinkered with the texts in an effort to manipulate the destiny of the entire race, perhaps in a way that is not commensurate with rational, compassionate, thinking, humans capable of real intelligent decisions.
killing or allowing to suffer, those we disagree with because they might continue to be stupid otherwise, is not the right course of action, although i'm sure it's tempting, but THAT is the exact problem we are complaining about in the first place! we can't escape the cycle of being stupid ourselves if we keep repeating the same mistakes we're complaining about.
with that being said, i would like to direct your attention to the events i've already described about the arrival of enki's floating, flying, glowing city, whose walls give advice and whose interior is a "tangled thread beyond understanding." i honestly believe the tv show, stargate atlantis, tried to clue us in on that one. observe and remember the sumerian symbol of divinity:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xa_Up4myonk
not only was it rising from water, it had an internal gate. however, it was also capable of using even larger gates, that the tv show called "super gates." although the show doesn't depict a super gate under water, let's just consider the possibility as that is exactly what the sumerian texts say happened and what the bible is hinting at as well, in the book of revelation, 9th chapter.
A very insightful & thought provoking post, Undo 8)
We humans have a terrible ego problem i think. But we only have to go out at night & look up at the stars to realise how small & insignificant we really are.
But we are also capable of great things when we work together.
And you are right; it's time to cut the puppet strings, & show Nanny that we can walk on our own now.....
Quote from: PLAYSWITHMACHINES on April 30, 2012, 12:05:00 PM
A very insightful & thought provoking post, Undo 8)
We humans have a terrible ego problem i think. But we only have to go out at night & look up at the stars to realise how small & insignificant we really are.
But we are also capable of great things when we work together.
And you are right; it's time to cut the puppet strings, & show Nanny that we can walk on our own now.....
I submit that though Our bodies are small...Our minds, Our awareness, can have any size.
Thank you so much Beth for that response. Linda
Quote from: PLAYSWITHMACHINES on April 30, 2012, 12:05:00 PM
A very insightful & thought provoking post, Undo 8)
We humans have a terrible ego problem i think. But we only have to go out at night & look up at the stars to realise how small & insignificant we really are.
But we are also capable of great things when we work together.
And you are right; it's time to cut the puppet strings, & show Nanny that we can walk on our own now.....
the impression i get is we're supposed to react supernaturally, as a matter of nature. if that makes sense. our default position should be such, that it does the least amount of harm and the most amount of good, but certainly shouldn't contain hurting each other as a prerequisite, no matter how f'ed up we may think the other person is. debate is fine. i'm talking about people who go around trying, literally, trying, with all their ability to get people killed in massive numbers because of their world view. that's the wrong approach and history has proved it so many times, it's almost comical that people are still falling for it.
ah well, we live, we learn.
Maybe a long time ago whatever " intelligence" we are experiencing made the decision that it was important to make sure we survived while we learned.
I have often wondered why in the world a technology as wonderful as my Dads represented would be so completely obscured.... above and beyond (I think )what was humanly possible at the time.
How were men and women around my Dads work convinced to live their entire lives in the shadow of something so big.... and yet keep it safe from disclosure? This was a MAJOR accomplishement and I don't think I have yet even realized what a massive undertaking it was!
What makes us all believe that NOW seems to be the time for the final.... as Amaterasu says in her petition.... release of information? Are we actually there yet? Wherever THERE is? Finally????
Linda
This is a transfer of information from The Cosmic Token but the question, as you can see, originated from Paul Schatzkin as he was beginning to try to deal with a conclusion that is difficult for most people. Ultimately the challenge turned out to be too much for him.... for reasons that perhaps he will only be able to explain today. But his question here, asked so many years ago.... remains valid.... and I ask it of you too....
Sun Apr 01, 2012 4:38 am
Here is an excellent post from Paul Schatzkin. Now years later it is time to ask this question again and see what happens THIS time. Note the date.... nearly six years ago folks. Has the question gotten any closer to being answered?????
Here is Pauls message from his forum ttbrown.com
on Thu Jun 15, 2006 4:18 pm In the past week, along with all the other things that have been going on on the main website and here in the forums, there have been a couple of very important posts that, for the first time since all this started nearly a year ago, actually start to put a NAME on some of the ideas that we have been dancing around.
Simply stated: Something Townsend Brown discovered, which we're calling "Electro-Gravitic Communications," is actually a means of communicating with "other dimensions." There, I said it. Again.
The subject has come up, and the point more or less nailed, in a thread that started here:
http://forum.ttbrown.com/viewtopic.php?p=1558#1558
A corollary thread also appears here:
http://forum.ttbrown.com/viewtopic.php?p=1585#1585
So you can see, the idea has been percolating in the background for some time. Now we need to deal with it seriously -- and, if we can, scientifically.
What I'd like is everybody's help in coming up with a reasonable explanation of what we're talking about in terms of contemporary science.
For example: I was recently read (somewhere... I am still looking for the exact source/quote) that "Quantum theory allows for the existence of other dimensions" -- or words to that effect.
Is that true? Where in Quantum Theory does is say that?
Whether or not there's anything about "added dimensions" in fundamental quantum theory, I do know that its latest variation, "String Theory" actually requires more than the four temporal dimensions that constitute our physical "reality." String Theory calls for something like 10 or 11 dimensions.
Did any of you see the PBS/Nova documentary based on Brian Green's book, "The Elegant Universe" ? There is a very interesting scene in the documentary (but not in the book) where Green simulates using a "Gravity Phone" to call somebody... in another dimension! (who answers and says "I thought I told you not to call me during 'The Simpsons'...").
What do you think Brian Green would say if he learned that some kid in Ohio came up with just such a device based on a discovery he made more than 80 years ago!?!?
So, can we have a clear, grounded discussion of these questions? I want to toss around some answers to this question:
"If accepted theories of physics, i.e. quantum mechanics or Stirng Theory provide for the existence of dimensions hidden beyond our physical world, then how can we make a case that Townsend Brown's "Electro-Gravitic Communications" devices provide the means for communicaitng with those hidden dimensions?"
I am no expert on Quantum Mechanics (is anybody?). I know only what I've read about "String Theory." But it seems to me that rooted somewhere in some forms of generally accepted current-day scientific theory, there is a solid foundation for what we are saying Townsend Brown discovered, built, and operated, and now is the time to get those 'scientific ducks' in a row, to make the case that the rest of the world is just now catching on to what our Dr. Brown knew all his life.
Anybody care to suggest how we do that? Clearly... concisely, and without going off on verbal tangents, please. The object here is to be understandable -- and, ultimately, persuasvie.
Anybody?
--PS
Quote from: Linda Brown on April 30, 2012, 04:15:50 PM
What makes us all believe that NOW seems to be the time for the final.... as Amaterasu says in her petition.... release of information? Are we actually there yet? Wherever THERE is?
Linda
What makes ME think so is that without a solution, the "bad guys" win. We NEED free energy - and I would like to see gravity control along with that - to wrest Their power away from Them.
Much more time and We will be greeting One anOther in FEMA camps.
Its obviously not an easy thing to do Amaterasu... Notice the question that Paul asked so many years ago. THAT seemed a perfectly logical question, seems to me.... with an answer that should not be that hard to uncover....
And yet.... for reasons still unknown.... he wrote the book.... and then bascially mentally went " screaming off into the woods" .... After taking a really hard turn from what he told me he was doing ( writing the human interest story, a true biography of Townsend Brown) to suddenly declaring that because he hadn't found the " secret" to the technology Dad was working on that suddenly now his entire life was..... not valid.
How do you get from that point to the other point without a whole lot of help from outside influences. In the message that was above this post Paul was really asking the proper questions. What happened?
Some of you know the dispute that I have had on the forum called the Quonset Hut. The same man who ran that forum into the ground is the same man that Paul Schatzkin met just a month before he quit. Tell me that is a coincidence? I will TRY to believe you. But the agendas have been painfully obvious.
This story of this " technology" and the understanding of it is as important as the developments that will spring from it. And there are dark forces out there that don't want that to happen.....They can be easily spotted but not always identified. Linda
linda,
personally, i'm not a big fan of boogeymen, and by that i don't mean fictitious scary guys, i mean, people who deliberately try to scare you, to elicit a response. creepy, in other words. i don't do creepy. if creepy comes around, i pull out my evangelical hat and start to preachin'. so this boogeyman you have, who is throwing wrenches in the works of things and scaring you just a little too much, is currently on my "hmm, i think i feel a sermon coming on." that's my only valid response. it bugs me that it bugs you that much. no body should be afraid of each other.
I wish I had an answer, Linda. It would be great if I did. I just know that NOW is the time for free energy to flow.
Oh and I am sure that you could come up with a scathing sermon too Beth!
But what you are seeing from me is not fear. Just recognition that such agendas DO exist and they are ACTIVELY still working to suppress the information on my Dads work from getting into the proper hands ( which to me is everyone who has a stake in the future).
I do not fear these bogeymen.... but I do regard them with the cautious respect that they deserve. (Sort of like spoting a rattlesnake)
These are not a band of lightweight malcontents ( though they will use those types as their dull tools in certain situations).... They are individuals with a solid reason for " throwing monkeywrenches" in the forward going flow of information about my Dad. I am not going to pretend that I know all of their reasons.... that goes beyond my paygrade.... but I recognize them by their " works".
And you will too when you start being even more aware of their activities. You and others like you are their worst nightmare. They can't "handle" you. Linda
wish I had an answer, Linda. It would be great if I did. I just know that NOW is the time for free energy to flow.
Then THAT'S the answer. NOW is the time. Linda
Quote from: Linda Brown on April 30, 2012, 06:11:05 PM
wish I had an answer, Linda. It would be great if I did. I just know that NOW is the time for free energy to flow.
Then THAT'S the answer. NOW is the time. Linda
Ok. [smile] I just know it is. That is My impetus. My raison d'etre.
This thread has the makings of a great theoretical paper, note mind you, that it is a theoretical paper of the Human species consciousness and awareness of the potentiality of such far fixated ideologies of being truth.
If one realises that there is a some what side effect of amnesia with in our ability to accept, comprehend and utilize these so too be lost thoughts or thinking processes, then they too will over ride the current status quot of understanding what Lay ahead.
As for Hancocks book, "Finger prints of the Gods" his ideology for the ancients is that they were able to do thing's that we as a species are rediscovering now. The temple of the Sun and Moon, for example had huge square stone Calderon's,, for the most part, the main stream sciences said "Look, they built an above ground water supply that fed the entire community, how ingenuitive of them." for Graham Hancock it was an Epiphany that he realised that these weren't water containment systems at all for just sustenance.
While he was doing his investigation, he had felt a trimmer, he seen the glass of liquids on the table react too it, that is when he realised that the stone megalithic square community watering holes may have had great value in Earth quake sensing scenario's. Under further investigation, he found out that the location of each of these was able to produce of reaction of earthquakes happening around the world thousands of miles away with unbelievable accuracy. he also was a staunch believer that we are missing a part of our consciousness that leaves us too be under the category as "Amnesiacs" for lack of a better word.
I have read "Finger Prints of the Gods" myself, this is before I had read Sitchins writing's with "The 12Th Planet" series. Though Sitchin and Hancock remained as friends and confidant's over these issues until Sitchin's death in 2009, October 9Th, they could only arrive at one instance why and when the amnesia took place. This was the assimilation factors now seen with religions and cults.
They began too structure diversity under the guise of understanding what is being said, not in the understanding of the lost processes of the ancients. They, for example, had created their own world of awareness. And when this took place, and tribes began to separate and become oblivious too one another, they did what the higher Archy of the current establishment suggested, and became defiant too any outside ideologies and inspirations therefore becoming the dominant reguardless of truth of this fact.
Both Sitchin and Hancock were on the same page of perception's, and with these megalithic structures being built , too the likes we would have a hard time doing today, it remains as an enigma of sorts to why we currently think these new technologies didn't exist before with much more tech than mainstream sciences want too admit.
Essentially, we would have to rewrite the entire history books of humanity if this was proved too be true, and the PTB's definitely don't want too do that.
Though I cannot as eloquently recite what I have read by both of these author's as Undo11 has done impeccably, I can remain constent that we are, for all practicality, a species with severe "Amnesia" "From what was before, will be once again." quote from the bible, not sure where, but it has stuck with me for the up and coming understanding's of such topics.
I was awakened in 2005 with this theoretical ideology. I have never heard of it until then. But, with my personal experiences with UFO sighting's, reading's of the bible and other texts, knowing that some of these lore's may be factual with the deciphering of the Sumerian texts, there had too be something too it, back then I think the species(Our Species) was more practical to have written down these lost words as fact based, only too be found by a civilization of amnesiacs too decipher as pure Romanticism and fiction.
There was a point when Gilgamesh was approaching the Cedar Forest, in the text he had mentioned guards made of a strange metal with glowing red eye's, too me this sound's as if it were a automated system with laser guided abilities. And the before mentioned metal these were made of was of a metal not seen before by Gilgamesh.
Whether these stories pull out the facts for us like minded people or not, it is a timeless tale of nothing short than that of what was being experienced, if this wasn't the case, for all prctical matter's "they created the tablet's too tell" or we would still be writing in this ancient Sumerian writing.
We had lost sight of our true forefathers abilities, only now to reawaken it's true and very desirable potential. IMHO.
1Worldwatcher
Its interesting that you would bring up " amnesia" in sort of a world wide cultural way.... while I have been wrestling with the idea of " amnesia " in a more individual and personal way.
Asking myself... if you were involved in a super secret organization for years and years and then wanted out.... just how could you manage that? The old joke about " Once CIA always CIA" would be lightweight to the organization that I am thinking of.... and the secrets held by a person " in " for so many years would be horrendous..... How would that organization assure themselves that their retirees would be able to go into a normal private life.
As in the old movie "Paycheck" maybe the best situation would be just to have them agree to undergo a " process" where everything " special" that they knew was " erased " from their memory? Would that actually work?
And what you have been saying here 1WW is that entire cultures might have been treated the same way???? After knowing such amazing things..... to suddenly not know of them at all.....what a tragedy, what a loss.... but would that be the only way that they could safely continue... have normal lives for centuries.....
So while I am pondering over single individuals... perhaps this entire thing has been done before... with entire groups of humans.... occasionally though there is always that situation where a person can " remember" what is supposed to be lost. And then that person who happens to hold the true knowledge is then charged with keeping it safe and trying to help others remember when the time is right. We all seem to be looking for some kind of a key.... to some sort of mystery... but I think at the same time.... down deep ... we realize that whatever it is.... we have known it all along.
One person.... or millions.... what is the actual difference? Linda
In The Terra Papers, Humanity was subject to "erasure" of memory by Marduk. Though some scattered souls escaped the process, virtually all were rounded up and run through the erasure process.
So... Yeah. Likely cultural amnesia purposefully promulgated.
Quote from: Amaterasu on April 30, 2012, 05:05:50 PM
Quote from: Linda Brown on Today at 08:15:50 AM
"What makes us all believe that NOW seems to be the time for the final.... as Amaterasu says in her petition.... release of information? Are we actually there yet? Wherever THERE is?"
What makes ME think so is that without a solution, the "bad guys" win. We NEED free energy - and I would like to see gravity control along with that - to wrest Their power away from Them...
I submit for consideration that the evidence shows TT Brown's work is not withheld because of free energy potential, but for it's military potential.
That is the same reason the technology Bob Lazar encountered is being withheld. It too has massive 'free' energy potential but is not the reason it is so closely guarded.
Free is a slightly misleading term because as Zorgon points out, all energy sources require infrastructure and transmission and outlets. Somebody has to initially provide those and also maintain them.
So perhaps the infamous term 'too cheap to meter' might be more accurate. ;)
So..... historically.... if you understand and agree with the Terra Papers.... then it is not so far out of line then for me to consider that this " process" might still be in use occasionally....
in my book I mention meeting the character the Paul Schatzkin decided to call " Morgan". I had been working all summer (1967) at a place called GTI in Santa Monica and there were alot of strange things going on around me.... ( General Curtis LeMay standing on a rickety lab chair to change a lightbulb was one of the strangest!)
It was a stressful summer and I hadn't had any kind of a break... and I wondered where Morgan was and what he was doing but that of course was not information that was forthcoming. I had pretty much accepted the fact that we were lost to each other.
We had said goodbye in January of that year. after rescuing alot of my Dads papers from a lab outside Philadelphia. ( first and last time you are going to see this woman doing a cat -burglar routine) and he had said...." see you in San Francisco"... strangely in the fall those words came true. I was able to meet up with him in September... In San Francisco .... as he had predicted.....
The next morning Dad met us with the car that he and I were going to drive back to Santa Monica. Morgan and I stood there .... knowing that perhaps we might never see each other again... and he looked at me with the strangest expression that I have ever seen on any humans face.... as if he knew something but could never put it into words... and couldn't share it with me either........He looked off toward the bay and finally looked at me in that odd way and simply said..." You are going this way.... and I am going that.... I nodded.... got in the car and drove off.
http://www.smashwords.com/books/view/49963
That expression has haunted me for years. Recently I was able to meet with the man Paul chose to call "Morgan" in THAT EXACT SPOT..... and he had no memory of that meeting years ago at all. I scanned his face to see if there was a flash of recognition regarding the location....and there was nothing.
And now I wonder if he knew then.... when he looked at me in that oh so strange way... if he knew even then.... that there would be a time when we would stand in that spot again and he would not remember?
Sorry .... just a strange wander through some current and very odd thoughts on my part! Linda
Hi A51!
" submit for consideration that the evidence shows TT Brown's work is not withheld because of free energy potential, but for it's military potential.
That is the same reason the technology Bob Lazar encountered is being withheld. It too has massive 'free' energy potential but is not the reason it is so closely guarded.
And I absolutely agree with you but I would like to add a couple of thoughts.
I do believe that the military does have some of this material that they have " classified" and Boy oh Boy oh Boy.... they are not going to let that out. Period.
But there is another situation going on here too. There are " Secret" situations that even the military doesn't know about yet. (You can't classify something that you don't even know about.... and I believe that this has happened here ... so what they DO know about the military has a death grip on... but the rest?????
What they "Don't " know about is controlled by an.... lets call them.... an entity.... that is not releasing that information either... at least not all at once. Interesting that the small leaks that have happened have not occurred in the military sector....( or if they have let some things go that direction it has been classified quickly.)
I sense that there is a movement afoot which intends to let some of this information out to the public. I believe that Forums like this one and others are just part of the overall plan...
This is no little deal and I have no idea how long this process will take, but in my opinion I see the beginning of it...... And when it does broach the surface this " bubble" will not be owned by any government. It will hit all over all at once.....
Linda
Quote from: A51Watcher on April 30, 2012, 08:04:38 PM
I submit for consideration that the evidence shows TT Brown's work is not withheld because of free energy potential, but for it's military potential.
That is the same reason the technology Bob Lazar encountered is being withheld. It too has massive 'free' energy potential but is not the reason it is so closely guarded.
Free is a slightly misleading term because as Zorgon points out, all energy sources require infrastructure and transmission and outlets. Somebody has to initially provide those and also maintain them.
So perhaps the infamous term 'too cheap to meter' might be more accurate. ;)
And I submit that it's likely both - but the free energy aspect is the biggest threat. Money = meaningful energy expended. As Jeremy Rifkin, a highly regarded economist, puts it: money is just stored energy credits. Add abundant free energy and the need for money (in any form) dissipates, removing the power that comes with it.
Without money, the few thousand (or less) evil Ones who are planning to kill Us all would just be a few thousand (or less) equally Self empowered, just like the billions of Us, with no means to control all of Us.
A51,
QuoteI submit for consideration that the evidence shows TT Brown's work is not withheld because of free energy potential, but for it's military potential.
I agree, but there is a bigger part of understanding with such perceptional acknowledgement's. It becomes very convoluted for the masses when such thing's are dubbed too the realm of 'Conspiracy theories' too allow them too continue with no discloser because they have these advantageous abilities, but too release such a thing? That would be what I call "Monetary suicide" for them. Militarily is the key word. And thus is condemned to it's application's for bettering humanity in the far back of their mind's for such a disclosure.
And as far as I can tell with TTB involvement, he was only a part of the whole, kept at bay by his propagator's intentionally and adamantly. If you have a puzzle and one piece is missing, the puzzle becomes redundant to piece together, but for the PTB, they just cut out a piece that fit's, color it too it's closest potential for finishing it, and then pat themselves on the back for being so ingenious and creative. Most would throw the puzzle away, but for what they have done thus far, is nothing short of 'Deception' on a grand scale. They make the picture whole with improvised pieces of self centered mindedness, we are the ones looking for the piece in hopes of it's ultimate and virtual 'Authenticity' to it's creation.
QuoteThat is the same reason the technology Bob Lazar encountered is being withheld. It too has massive 'free' energy potential but is not the reason it is so closely guarded.
Bob and his associates of this matter have done what they could too make this issue public. Not for self gain, but for the masses as being factual and real. If Bob did not come out with his side of this tale, chances are we would have not known what we now know today. As far as I am concerned, he is a martyr too the cause, for what they have done too him is reprehensible and self damning at the same time. Two thing's that that draws flies by the droves. And I am not talking about sugar here!! LOL
Heck, with having people like John Lear here on our site as part of the answer, where else can one find more truth to a supposed 'Conspiracy' that is so closely connected? I proclaim "Nowhere".
One can take it or leave it, but isn't it odd that they are only denying it without tangible deniability? Which is why, s far as I can deduce, they kept the researchers and scientists away from mingling with one another, in both TTB's and Lazar's account of such thing's.
QuoteFree is a slightly misleading term because as Zorgon points out, all energy sources require infrastructure and transmission and outlets. Somebody has to initially provide those and also maintain them.
So perhaps the infamous term 'too cheap to meter' might be more accurate.
"Monetarism" is all I can say. We are not worth the loss of such equitable and high stake finances by their (PTB's) eyes. The raw materials are here for the application's of everything that has been built or dreamed, but it was the affore mentioned disbursement of our very beginning's that allowed us too be where we are today, monetarily speaking. Too Enki and Ea (Correct that if I am wrong Undo11, not versed without seeing lineage as formatted. lol), it was a prospect of survival for a race in distress, by what has been disclosed per Sitchin's writing's of the Annanaki, somewhere, sometime in the past, there was a price placed for value's of supply and demand, err go our current understanding of capitalism and monetary issue's at hand now. Some proclaim that Neadertahl was trading trinkets of rocks, shell and beads, if this is fact then it was instilled in them that they are too be constituents of both greed of property, possesion's being the undeniable authority during their time. Disbursing of the original group that was too become us is where territorial demise comes in and the monetary is what they realized as what we call now 'Spoils of war'.
Hancocks deduction's are fascinating, and with all thing's being put to the microscopic of probabilities, it suffice too say that they were and are truly smarter than we are today with such little technology. "Or was there such a thing as impossible, in that time?" IMHO..
1Worldwatcher
Linda,
QuoteThis is no little deal and I have no idea how long this process will take, but in my opinion I see the beginning of it...... And when it does broach the surface this " bubble" will not be owned by any government. It will hit all over all at once.....
As long as we have all these individuals coming forward with testimony and affiliation's, the fight is on. And on another note, if one truly thinks deeply upon it's probability "We seem too be coming to the point of where all thing's are not what they seem, and we ARE rediscovering our full potentials and origin's." Rediscovering old technologies, huh? Is that what we are doing now? I think so. Not so much the technology part, but the awakening of a amnesiac from a coma? Could possibly be.
Quote from: Amaterasu on April 30, 2012, 08:49:29 PM
And I submit that it's likely both...
I agree. But the military option is the one they have legal justification and authority for. Any senate or congressional hearing by 'select' members will quickly rule in their favor.
The devices with no military applications they have to be a lot more sneaky about disappearing.
Quote
- but the free energy aspect is the biggest threat.
To the industrialists in power that is true. The (normal) military have a different agenda, but they work hand in hand with the former because they require funding and companies to build their toys for them.
MJ-12 or whatever their true designation is, pulls the strings of both from behind the curtain.
The devices with no military applications they have to be a lot more sneaky about disappearing.
Been my experience that EVERYTHING that they wish to call "attached to military applications."... is suddenly " attached to military applications" without too much of an explanation to anyone.
And what the military has a hard time grabbing in the white world without explainations..... the black ops attached to them has no problems at all and no one to answer to either. Linda
Let's for the sake of better comprehending this... that TIME is involved.
Then ponder on what those who have control over time will be capable of???
Nobody can do anything other than they would allow... as they can view our future and manipulate anyone with the MEMORY technology that involves TIME.
To better think this out, consider Yourself jumping forward a few years and looking at the then history back to the here and now.
If anyone had done anything You didn't desire to occur, You could return to the here and now and alter their memory to remove the information required to achieve what they did, but which then doesn't occur.
If YOU had a device that enabled time interactions, would YOU allow anyone , or everyone to have similer access??
Going back in time will be also available, but it must equal to the here and now , otherwise You may not exist at all, thus what is has occured, even if You went back to ensure it occured.
confusing indeed?
hobbit
My Dad once said that possibility was a little bit like someone tapping a kaleidoscope on the edge. The patterns would shift. Colors all the same but in different places and of course those colors would never know that they had been " tapped".
Indeed.... if you happened to have that ability who would you hand it off to? Linda
Quote from: Linda Brown on April 30, 2012, 08:25:59 PM
So..... historically.... if you understand and agree with the Terra Papers.... then it is not so far out of line then for me to consider that this " process" might still be in use occasionally....
in my book I mention meeting the character the Paul Schatzkin decided to call " Morgan". I had been working all summer (1967) at a place called GTI in Santa Monica and there were alot of strange things going on around me.... ( General Curtis LeMay standing on a rickety lab chair to change a lightbulb was one of the strangest!)
It was a stressful summer and I hadn't had any kind of a break... and I wondered where Morgan was and what he was doing but that of course was not information that was forthcoming. I had pretty much accepted the fact that we were lost to each other.
We had said goodbye in January of that year. after rescuing alot of my Dads papers from a lab outside Philadelphia. ( first and last time you are going to see this woman doing a cat -burglar routine) and he had said...." see you in San Francisco"... strangely in the fall those words came true. I was able to meet up with him in September... In San Francisco .... as he had predicted.....
The next morning Dad met us with the car that he and I were going to drive back to Santa Monica. Morgan and I stood there .... knowing that perhaps we might never see each other again... and he looked at me with the strangest expression that I have ever seen on any humans face.... as if he knew something but could never put it into words... and couldn't share it with me either........He looked off toward the bay and finally looked at me in that odd way and simply said..." You are going this way.... and I am going that.... I nodded.... got in the car and drove off.
http://www.smashwords.com/books/view/49963
That expression has haunted me for years. Recently I was able to meet with the man Paul chose to call "Morgan" in THAT EXACT SPOT..... and he had no memory of that meeting years ago at all. I scanned his face to see if there was a flash of recognition regarding the location....and there was nothing.
And now I wonder if he knew then.... when he looked at me in that oh so strange way... if he knew even then.... that there would be a time when we would stand in that spot again and he would not remember?
Sorry .... just a strange wander through some current and very odd thoughts on my part! Linda
Missed this. Could be, Linda. And if the time travel info is true, He may have known He would not remember...
Quote from: Linda Brown on April 30, 2012, 10:40:27 PM
The devices with no military applications they have to be a lot more sneaky about disappearing.
Been my experience that EVERYTHING that they wish to call "attached to military applications."... is suddenly " attached to military applications" without too much of an explanation to anyone.
And what the military has a hard time grabbing in the white world without explainations..... the black ops attached to them has no problems at all and no one to answer to either. Linda
Very true!
hobbit,
i think time is local to the observer, so if they used a device to modify time, it would effect their timeline only. no one else would be effected. everywhere you go, there you are. :D
at one point in revelation it says time would be no more. i thought that was an odd thing to say, very odd. how could "time" not exist. then i considered a possible additional layer, relating to the planet saturn. at the time it was not called saturn nor did it have anything to do with khronos, as far as i know, but it's a future prophecy, and as a prophecy, it could be relating things relevant to the future observer. perhaps the text was saying saturn is blown up or something.
prophecy is about the only thing i can think of that has the potential to modify time for alot of people simultaneously, by causing people to behave in a certain way in anticipation of its fulfillment.
Quote from: undo11 on May 01, 2012, 05:42:22 AM
at one point in revelation it says time would be no more. i thought that was an odd thing to say, very odd. how could "time" not exist. then i considered a possible additional layer, relating to the planet saturn. at the time it was not called saturn nor did it have anything to do with khronos, as far as i know, but it's a future prophecy, and as a prophecy, it could be relating things relevant to the future observer. perhaps the text was saying saturn is blown up or something.
prophecy is about the only thing i can think of that has the potential to modify time for alot of people simultaneously, by causing people to behave in a certain way in anticipation of its fulfillment.
Might I add that when using gravity amplifiers for propulsion across the universe, 'time is no more'.
Could traveling through a stargate have the same effect?
That's the thought that struck me when I read your post.
Quote from: A51Watcher on May 01, 2012, 05:48:05 AM
Might I add that when using gravity amplifiers for propulsion across the universe, 'time is no more'.
Could traveling through a stargate have the same effect?
That's the thought that struck me when I read your post.
oh that's interesting!
undo said, "At one point in Revelation it says time would be no more. I thought that was an odd thing to say, very odd. how could "time" not exist"?
I have taken that quote about the heavenly future to mean time will cease, because there will be no more use for it.
Now, everything is happening within our brief lifetimes of <100 years, with "death" facing us. So, we must relate time to everything we do, to keep it all straight, until the end.
Then, eternity is eternity, and "time" will not even have meaning, in the sense of forever, in a "spirit world". No times, no ages, no death, no disease, no sadness, no sorrow, no...................................................................such. Those are just a few of the promises from the same book as is the "Revelation" you mentioned. Yep, no clocks!! :))
I also would guess that the "time shall be no more" statement would fit right in with the statement of "one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years is as one day", in that same book (2nd Peter 3/8) ;)
Quote from: rdunk on May 01, 2012, 06:30:35 AM
undo said, "At one point in Revelation it says time would be no more. I thought that was an odd thing to say, very odd. how could "time" not exist"?
I have taken that quote about the heavenly future to mean time will cease, because there will be no more use for it.
Now, everything is happening within our brief lifetimes of <100 years, with "death" facing us. So, we must relate time to everything we do, to keep it all straight, until the end.
Then, eternity is eternity, and "time" will not even have meaning, in the sense of forever, in a "spirit world". No times, no ages, no death, no disease, no sadness, no sorrow, no...................................................................such. Those are just a few of the promises from the same book as is the "Revelation" you mentioned. Yep, no clocks!! :))
I also would guess that the "time shall be no more" statement would fit right in with the statement of "one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years is as one day", in that same book (2nd Peter 3/8) ;)
yep! read it, many times.
also noticed that science says if you were to travel fast enough, the time on earth would've passed slower, and you could come back to earth and have had only a few hours pass for you whereas the earth have a great deal more time pass. i forget the exact equation but i bet there's one for 1-1000 ratio.
TIME is GRAVITY.
Keely.
Time is not linear.
Undo 11 is a time machine, as are all living entities.
Undo 11 You exist in Your own unique time bubble, but it is within the Earths similer,and the earth is within the suns similer, which is within the galaxies similer .
The inputs into all of this are in a continuum of variation in multiple phase conjugation vectors.
Phase conjugation means in both directions at once directly opposite each other.
But they are not travelling at exactly the same rate, thus time occurs.
Look at the picture I use on here, it was carefully chosen, a torroidal ring.
Think of a flow circulating such , in both directions at once, to simplify that think of a figure of eight, and time flowing out from the centre , it's similer to breathing in/out, a decompression occurs as time goes out towards the outer edge of the figure of eight, then an implosion back into the centre.
ONLY at the centre will time meet itself again.
Think of the centre as a PINCH point, and as time nears such it will compress and eventually pass itself.....thats where no time is.
Then a reverse of spin will occur to both flows.
At the centre pinch point I doubt the sun will shine, and then it will appear to the observer that the sun has reversed it's pathway.
hobbit
Quote from: hobbit on May 01, 2012, 08:12:01 AM
TIME is GRAVITY.
Keely.
Time is not linear.
Undo 11 is a time machine, as are all living entities.
Undo 11 You exist in Your own unique time bubble, but it is within the Earths similer,and the earth is within the suns similer, which is within the galaxies similer .
The inputs into all of this are in a continuum of variation in multiple phase conjugation vectors.
Phase conjugation means in both directions at once directly opposite each other.
But they are not travelling at exactly the same rate, thus time occurs.
Look at the picture I use on here, it was carefully chosen, a torroidal ring.
Think of a flow circulating such , in both directions at once, to simplify that think of a figure of eight, and time flowing out from the centre , it's similer to breathing in/out, a decompression occurs as time goes out towards the outer edge of the figure of eight, then an implosion back into the centre.
ONLY at the centre will time meet itself again.
Think of the centre as a PINCH point, and as time nears such it will compress and eventually pass itself.....thats where no time is.
Then a reverse of spin will occur to both flows.
At the centre pinch point I doubt the sun will shine, and then it will appear to the observer that the sun has reversed it's pathway.
hobbit
was just thinking ya know, if you make a choice to alter your time frame by crossing a time barrier where it is a hour earlier than it was where you came from, you are the only person that change in time effects, as the people already in that time, are experiencing time as normal, and people in the time zone you came from, unless they cross the time zone as well, will continue to experience time as normal. your choice is not effecting anyone but you. so the idea someone could create a time device that could cause everyone's time to change simultaneously, would be more likely to be a different timeline in which the time chosen by the device, is the time the person is in. he/she changed his/her time zone, as it were.
same for time passing slower as you increase speed. you are the only one that is effecting unless you have a fellow or fellow travellers who are travelling with you. meanwhile, on earth, time continues at its normal pace.
Quote from: hobbit on May 01, 2012, 08:12:01 AM
TIME is GRAVITY.
Keely.
Time is not linear.
Undo 11 is a time machine, as are all living entities.
Undo 11 You exist in Your own unique time bubble, but it is within the Earths similer,and the earth is within the suns similer, which is within the galaxies similer .
The inputs into all of this are in a continuum of variation in multiple phase conjugation vectors.
Phase conjugation means in both directions at once directly opposite each other.
But they are not travelling at exactly the same rate, thus time occurs.
Look at the picture I use on here, it was carefully chosen, a torroidal ring.
Think of a flow circulating such , in both directions at once, to simplify that think of a figure of eight, and time flowing out from the centre , it's similer to breathing in/out, a decompression occurs as time goes out towards the outer edge of the figure of eight, then an implosion back into the centre.
ONLY at the centre will time meet itself again.
Think of the centre as a PINCH point, and as time nears such it will compress and eventually pass itself.....thats where no time is.
Then a reverse of spin will occur to both flows.
At the centre pinch point I doubt the sun will shine, and then it will appear to the observer that the sun has reversed it's pathway.
hobbit
At the pinch point, we would shine back at the sun, eh hobbit?:)
The sun itself would be centered on a pinch point, and it sees nothing of us.
When we are born, that is just the beginning of the next assemblage of matter, forming our bodies, and as we age this process slows, and becomes dead. Then we begin back along that same path, as our bodies return back to a state of disassemblage, and we cease to exist as meat and tissue.
Bones however take millenia to degrade, and thats why our bones arent really a part of our life force, and are just the framework for holding the actual life being we are. Of course bones are alive while we walk about, but what do they turn into when we arent? Right on, calcium and a few minerals with hardly anything else. A spent framework, like the shell of a burned skyscarper.
Life and death, time and gravity, all forces with solid foundations in theory, yet forces we will never completely understand, as we arent supposed to. A million explanations, each more correct and incorrect than the next....a perfect phase conjugation of facts, with a cloak of secrecy placed over it by some sentient force, we have no clue about. Some say GOD, or aliens, but the truth is, we dont travel anywhere, we dont die, and there is no such thing as time as we know it.
As you say Hobbit, we relocate within this field, and when we feel time or gravity, it's just the movement of these memory fields through the so called aether.
Ah, such a curious lifeform we are, trying to figure out the impossible, but at least if we approach it from an esoteric standpoint we can speculate with some certainty, we are spiralling in and out for eternity, in a time when there is no time.
Memory fields are what I think are responsible for gravity and the aether's movement, and these fields are always imploding faster than they are appearing, so we get that effect of being pushed down into the Earth's core, where something really cool is happening....Time as we know it.
The difference.
Seems the earth has a heart center, too Hobbit, doesnt it?
And yes, as you say, everything IS scalar!
Cheers!
Littleenki
Anyone ever contiplate eth effects of "Jet Lag" as a possible form of time meridian effect due to traveling the Lat. lines? I know the significance of Long. line, but as we navigate through time zones, and some seem to think this is caused by time lines of ahead and behind, but maybe this is the physical effect of time travel itself?
Just a thought.
1Worldwatcher
Quote from: Linda Brown on April 29, 2012, 06:58:48 AM
This is what the ancients must have believed too... I wonder about this idea of " purifying blood" came from ... and the idea of "cleansing organs and bone marrow" is interesting too..... going way out on the limb here......( old saying.... cause thats where the fruit is) and I want to wonder out loud if ancient space travelers exposed to impurities in the environment here wouldn't value something that actually DID remove impurities.
This is why I am with the affirmed belief that the hundreds of thousands of witnesses to "demons of hell" and "UFO's" and "Alien's" have historically for thousands of years been associated with a smell of Sulfur. What is Sulfur? It is a strong anti parisitic and antitoxicant.
If you were a demon, or an alien. Why would you smell of sulfur.
A little observation. :)
Best,
A
I
Perhaps another question might be... if you are a witness and believe that you are seeing a " demon" or an "alien"... why would you at the same time be smelling sulfur?
Look at some of the reports. Its easy enough to wonder if the witnesses were seeing " aliens" BECAUSE of the smell of sulfur.
Remember the Oracle of Delphi ( there were actually many of them and their abilities to converse with " other dimensions" and to see into the future made them so powerful that some leaders of the ancient world would not make a move without consulting the Oracle first? The oracle would slip into a seeming " trance".
I believe modern investigators discovered pockets of sulfur at Delphi and many have wondered if the gases in that area were part of the " experience"
Not a great favorite for most people.... sulphur springs smell like rotten eggs....
I haven't made a big study in this direction but it looks like it might have some merit... following your question.... why sulfur? And what might be the connection? Linda
One of the best sources for sulfur smells is shallow ground water.
When we sprinkle our yards here in FLA, it stinks if the well is shallow, so should we ask...why does ground water come to the surface when these sightings or encounters take place, and what is the reasoning for bringing this well water to the surface?
Are their methods for travel linked to groundwater, and is it possible their bodies or craft actually are interacting with the shallow aquifers as the ground plane, pulling the water in mist form to the surface?
Didnt Tesla like to build over shallow aquifers?
Lots of theories here...at least for me!
I would think the visitors dont need to use a simple thing like sulfur if they possessed such high technology. They would have something way more sophistcated and subtle.
But then again, they could use it for impact, as we recognize the smell as being somthing negative, and to keep us in fear with negativity would be an effective weapon.
Le
Interesting take Littleenki.
I know that this might be tough but I would like to pull the topic here back a little closer to the opening statement. We have strayed a bit and all of those really great conversations are just enough off topic to be difficult to find.... Back please to
" Why Electrogravitics might be dangerous" Or some discussion even close to that?
Hobbit would talk about memory fields.
And if something can act upon those " memory fields" for transportantion between dimensions.... then possibly if it uses that... could it encourage other things to " forget" what they are? If an atom " forgets" its bonds to make it what it is.... what happens?
All important since there are many now wanting to see the Electrogravitic technology released to the public.
It would be important then I think to really understand it first.???? Linda
Mornin' Linda!
I have found a new understanding of EG recently as you know, and whether it is real or not we may never know. When these devices switch between dimensions at superluminal speed, I wonder how safe it is to be within the device or craft, or even in it's path, as it must have a pre effect.
For instance, when the twin disc apparatus is spinning around the pylon, it already knows where it will be as it has to plot it's path before it switches through dimensions, as if it didnt, it couldnt achieve superluminal velocity. If one stands in that path-to-be, do they actually become affected by it even though the device isnt appearing in that spot yet?
Like the Millenium Falcon mapping out the path before switching to hyperspace?
I picture a true EG device in action, where we decide it's time to hop in one and actually fly it, and as soon as we do so, we become part of the device, like Scotty's transporter.
Is it possible, that as Hobbit poses, everthing is constantly switching, and to balance that switching at the right resonant frequency would cause matter to combine, like in the Philadelphia Experiment, or Teslas mechanical resonator?
Sure it could be dangerous, but so is a chain saw, if you hold it by the wrong end!
Cheers!
Littleenki
I hope that you are keeping a notebook...<g>
it already knows where it will be as it has to plot it's path before it switches through dimensions, as if it didnt, it couldnt achieve superluminal velocity. If one stands in that path-to-be, do they actually become affected by it even though the device isnt appearing in that spot yet?
Morgans words on explaining something to me keep coming around again...." It puts a whole new meaning to " Pull up, pull up!" or..... Blink out! Blink OUT!"
Linda
Im on my third comp book, and counting...LOL!
Morgan is a wise fellow, and it's taken me some time to see the reality of all of this, and i sure have a long way to go, but it is getting clearer by the day, almost as if I ignore it, and then it comes to me...very strange, but very pleasing, too!
Le
Quote from: Linda Brown on June 21, 2012, 02:15:13 PM
Interesting take Littleenki.
I know that this might be tough but I would like to pull the topic here back a little closer to the opening statement. We have strayed a bit and all of those really great conversations are just enough off topic to be difficult to find.... Back please to
" Why Electrogravitics might be dangerous" Or some discussion even close to that?
Hobbit would talk about memory fields.
And if something can act upon those " memory fields" for transportantion between dimensions.... then possibly if it uses that... could it encourage other things to " forget" what they are? If an atom " forgets" its bonds to make it what it is.... what happens?
All important since there are many now wanting to see the Electrogravitic technology released to the public.
It would be important then I think to really understand it first.???? Linda
I would encourage the viewing of Walter Russells periodic tables, and think of how matter is created in the geometry of opposing spiral fields.
Sulpher on the normal periodic table is number 16, and it will be, as all is...a consequence of transmutation.
It may be that such a strong smell would be noticable when a local transmutation occurs?????
http://www.flickr.com/photos/esaruoho/sets/72157604222958040/
hobbit
Thats a great point, Hobbit!
Any transmutation will share similarities with others regardless of the event or the result.
Is sulfur odor a common effect of transmutation?
Could be.....
Le
Quote from: Littleenki on June 21, 2012, 06:41:37 PM
Thats a great point, Hobbit!
Any transmutation will share similarities with others regardless of the event or the result.
Is sulfur odor a common effect of transmutation?
Could be.....
Le
Look where sulpher is in Russells table of octaves...in the sixth.
Imagine having a device that could play the sound of music?????
hobbit
QuoteI would think the visitors dont need to use a simple thing like sulfur if they possessed such high technology. They would have something way more sophistcated and subtle.
Chanel no.9 perhaps? :)
QuoteBut then again, they could use it for impact, as we recognize the smell as being somthing negative, and to keep us in fear with negativity would be an effective weapon.
Right on, and throw a nice 3D laser show in there & some fireworks, and you will have the whole village on it's knees, wanting you to marry their daughters LOL
Now where's that silver motorcycle outfit..........:)
OK back on topic, fascinating info there ;) I would have thought the smell would be Ozone, it is around here.......And the spirals, resonance, all in the right direction IMO
Linda made a good point about the dangers, and i appreciate it when people like Raymond take lots of safety measures.
Normally i just hide round the corner & switch it on with a broomhandle, but that may not be enough if you start getting into the Kw range :) and if my gravitors start moving THAT fast, i will have to move to the 'external testing facility'...
I see there are 10 pages posted as to EG being dangerous. Well, so is EM.
I worked on RADAR system employed by helicopters in the military, TACAN for one. We used to cook hotdogs on a stick by simply keying up. What about microwave ovens? They can be dangerous as well and they are probably in a good percentage of homes and they should be checked periodically for leaky gaskets around the doors.
How about electrocution? The electricity being generated is a result of a generator which is EM. That is why children are taught not to lick the wall sockets.
If EG is developed into a commercially viable alternative to EM, it will have it's drawbacks as well. EM relies heavily on a current/magnetic relationship whereas EG is a voltage/gravity relationship.
The greatest danger lies elsewhere.
Just my opinion,
Mikado
PWM asks....
Now where's that silver motorcycle outfit..........:)
(http://images5.fanpop.com/image/photos/31000000/Robocop-robocop-31038763-1024-768.jpg)
This might be a bit more effective at spooking the local talent!LOL!
When we do address the dangers of Em and Eg(yes Mikado, I too cooked hot dogs in the military, but they were wrapped in foil and tied to a test bed turbine in the aimd shop! 8)we have to see all the dangers, and as mikado has posed they are many.
A chicken wrapped in foil and cooked on one of these is amazingly moist, and is done in about 25 minutes!(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-WN3QjAt2HwU/TdxLQWXP_hI/AAAAAAAAAXs/wHZI0J9hu_Q/s1600/708_turbine_engine.jpg)
Personally, my nde involved 220 a/c and a pair of wet shoes when a boy, and it profoundly changed me, as well as peaked my interest in electricity from an early age.
What can harm us can help us, as we see, and to be aware of the many results of messin' with these fields, we can see the channel without the markers.
I have to think about my first cymatics experiement using a midbass speaker and a 500 watt fosgate amplifier(remember them anyone? Then youre dating yourself!)
My ears rang for days and were never the same, resulting in a lifetime of tinnitus.
Although I learned the essence of resonance and how certain frequencies become immensely louder when tuned in, I also learned those navy flight deck earmuffs are priceless for doing prolonged experiments with cymatics....not to mention my neighbors asking me if I had aliens landing in my shop!
As you pointed out, Mikado, there is an as of yet unknown part of EG that may be horribly dangerous, even fatal, if not addressed before working with it, and as Zorgon posted in a thread on The Aviary, we probably have lost many volunteer pilots and craft to this lack of understanding, as the military in the past, tended to just "fly it" before doing the math and engineering completely.
Of course, with the stealth tech and such, they had no choice but to let the computers do the piloting, and I have to wonder, what really powers some of those unmanned vehicles? Are they unmanned as to save lives(something the military has plenty of) or are they just so dangerous to an occupant, they cant be flown any other way?
There is something floating out there for us to find, and the first one to find it will be the first one to understand the dangers of EG and Em science beyond what we already have learned(whatever that is ??? ???)
Le
Quote from: Mikado on June 22, 2012, 03:51:44 PM
I see there are 10 pages posted as to EG being dangerous. Well, so is EM.
I worked on RADAR system employed by helicopters in the military, TACAN for one. We used to cook hotdogs on a stick by simply keying up. What about microwave ovens? They can be dangerous as well and they are probably in a good percentage of homes and they should be checked periodically for leaky gaskets around the doors.
How about electrocution? The electricity being generated is a result of a generator which is EM. That is why children are taught not to lick the wall sockets.
If EG is developed into a commercially viable alternative to EM, it will have it's drawbacks as well. EM relies heavily on a current/magnetic relationship whereas EG is a voltage/gravity relationship.
The greatest danger lies elsewhere.
Just my opinion,
Mikado
ANY idea what VOLTAGE is????
What GRAVITY is?????
I see no point in claiming something is a consequence of something that You cannot explain.
hobbit
Quote from: hobbit on June 22, 2012, 06:56:23 PM
ANY idea what VOLTAGE is????
What GRAVITY is?????
I see no point in claiming something is a consequence of something that You cannot explain.
hobbit
As a matter of fact I do and thanks in part to my work. Further, for you to say that I do not is a bit presumptive.
If experiments can show a relationship between Voltage and Gravity then it might be safe to assume at the moment, that there is a definite link. Further, in keeping with what Dr. Brown expressed as areas of high/low Kmu and all points in between and if there is a relationship, as postulated to the aether than it is not too terribly difficult to at least be able to describe voltage and gravity and their relationship with certain other variables.
No use in explaining this any further for it is apparent that you are looking for an argument and I do not wish another "warning" for simply answering a question but I felt the need to at least offer a response.
Best to you,
Mikado
Quote from: Mikado on June 22, 2012, 09:05:30 PM
As a matter of fact I do and thanks in part to my work. Further, for you to say that I do not is a bit presumptive.
If experiments can show a relationship between Voltage and Gravity then it might be safe to assume at the moment, that there is a definite link. Further, in keeping with what Dr. Brown expressed as areas of high/low Kmu and all points in between and if there is a relationship, as postulated to the aether than it is not too terribly difficult to at least be able to describe voltage and gravity and their relationship with certain other variables.
No use in explaining this any further for it is apparent that you are looking for an argument and I do not wish another "warning" for simply answering a question but I felt the need to at least offer a response.
Best to you,
Mikado
Usual double talk ....saying nothing.
hobbit
Quote from: Mikado on June 22, 2012, 09:05:30 PM
As a matter of fact I do and thanks in part to my work. Further, for you to say that I do not is a bit presumptive.
If experiments can show a relationship between Voltage and Gravity then it might be safe to assume at the moment, that there is a definite link. Further, in keeping with what Dr. Brown expressed as areas of high/low Kmu and all points in between and if there is a relationship, as postulated to the aether than it is not too terribly difficult to at least be able to describe voltage and gravity and their relationship with certain other variables.
No use in explaining this any further for it is apparent that you are looking for an argument and I do not wish another "warning" for simply answering a question but I felt the need to at least offer a response.
Best to you,
Mikado
Please explain where I am looking for an argument, as YOU have stated here????
Any idea what voltage is????
Any idea what gravity is?????
Next thing YOU will be saying that this is evidence of an argument, and YOU will be stating as fact that I have started an argument, which is clear for all to see is NOTHING but a figmant of YOUR imagination.
Hobbit
Maybe we are all figments of other peoples imagination Hobbit!
I just found this. From Paul Schatzkins old Forum and you had just been as active here... talking this time rather boldly about the FTM remember? ( Nick Cook had dubbed it the Fu#@king Time Machine and Paul picked up those initials.... so that were he got it and what it refers to.
And then langley had quite a moment and sent this message.... Please note the time and the people posting here and especially the thought that hits Langley out of the blue and his reaction ( I need a smoke!)
by Langley on Wed Feb 27, 2008 4:25 am
James Barrett wrote:
Langley,
I think all of us will contribute to a boom in sales of " The Hunt for Zero Point". Nick Cook will never understand ( at least right now) that his little book is being used as a sort of text. Mine is in tatters.
How bout page 31 where AGAIN he sees without seeing......... JDB
Hi James, goody theres new chapters up, but before I go to them, I need to report a hair raising collision I had on page 221 of Cooks Book.
Now, as part of my thing, for a number of years, Ive been in the habit of going to Lanl website (Los Alamos website) and doing searches (as part of my digging stuff up re atomic testing) and one of the terms I had cause to search for starting about 5 years ago was "spin vectors". And dang it, though there was heaps of stuff openly available on the topic at lanl, there was enough stuff back then pulled by the lanl search engine which were classified and not available to the global general public. What I had been after was a clear explanation of Annihilation reactions (for some reason I was trying to figure what made the atom normally robust, and what made it go wonky. A question I had related to the relationship of the electron to the proton. What would happen when they met - what ordinarily kept them from meeting. (Which reveals the general state of my ignorance more than anything else. though I knew that Annihilation reactions occured and that the particles involved disappeared in puff of gamma. )(I have registered this in the forums a while back) And so remembering my confusion when hits where labelled "restricted" not for public release popped up at lanl, I spun out when I read the following on page 221 of Cooks Book:
"A point is reached where a large number of electrons and protons with opposite charges and (OPPOSITE-emphasis added) directions of spin are into collision and annihilate with one another" Coats wrote. "
And I saw, as I read this 5 minutes ago, the utter relational conformity with Brown's understandings (or what I understand of those). Schauberger created something in which ionisation occurred, but in which the ions (ie charged particles including separated electrons, protons and also including atoms which have had some of their electrons removed) (ion is a long word) both positive and negative were free. So upon meeting, the plus value (proton) and negative value (electron) summed to zero - and anhiliation reactions took place. With Brown's work the ozone problem is testament to the fact that Oxygen ions (O3 - ozone a + free radical) did not recombine as a result of Brown's machinery. But in the application of this basic fact (valence, recombination, annhilation and the circumstances of the occurences) does the B2 emit gamma from its trailing edges? If so there is perhaps evidence of a Schauberger as well as a Brown effect. (Brown methology to produce the ions, Schauberger effect (possibly engineered via the flow dynamics of the boundary layer over the wings) to produce "annhilation" thrust enhancement at the trailing edges. This sounds nuts, but IF the Schauberger effect is real, then why not.
Bear with me. For five years Ive been wondering whats so secret about "spin vectors" and then on P221 Cook explains it, not knowing that he has.
I need another smoke.
Someone once wrote about the radioactive properties of the B2. I think now the story might be true, but if so it is not strontium 90 paint. It is gamma from mutual annhilation of protons and electrons on the trailing edges of the wings.Langley
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Linda Brown,
Where is Langley these days????
I went off in a spin there didn't I??
Every living entity is a FTM.
The Earth is a living entity.
Every living entity is enabled to operate as a seperate FTM within it's own electrogravitic bubble of torus shaped electrogravitic flows.
Every seperate torus bubble is vectored to, and supplied from the dominant bubble it is within.
To utilise the Earths life enabling bubble of electrogravitic content may endanger all the seperate similer bubbles reliant on a constant input from the dominant bubble they exist within.
Extreme caution until a full comprehension of how this all operates will have been required before the moronic military minded ones weaponised a system that in all probability would kill the planet and all upon it.
Here's a link to everythingiselectric where electrobleme is pondering about fossils.
I consider that fossilization occurs instantly when a huge spike occurs that momentarrilly removes the electrogravitic field from around the Earth, either locally , or wholly.
In an instant all will forget, but the individual bubble about living entities will enable them to remember for a fractionally longer time, and as everything resets they become captured within the new memory condition.
The ASSUMED millions of years is just that....assumed.
The actuality may be over much shorter cyclic time loops of tens of thousands of years.
hobbit
Couldnt have said it better myself, Hobbit!
My torus is bouncing off of your torus, and if the military gets involved, our torus' will be deflated in a hurry!
I have been picturing the EG devices TTB made(double disc on a pylon) and have realized they too are FTM's. I wish we could slow down the apparatus and watch it shift through dimensions...how cool would that be?
Le
Quote from: Littleenki on June 22, 2012, 11:22:57 PM
Couldnt have said it better myself, Hobbit!
My torus is bouncing off of your torus, and if the military gets involved, our torus' will be deflated in a hurry!
I have been picturing the EG devices TTB made(double disc on a pylon) and have realized they too are FTM's. I wish we could slow down the apparatus and watch it shift through dimensions...how cool would that be?
Le
I mean't to add in a link to electroblemes site about fossilisation ocuring in the blink of an eye.
Imagine the earths memory field bubble been instantly discharged, but living entities having their own been left sort of in limbo, and then the earth resetting and the living been encased in the compounded and compressed new earths memory?????
I seem to be unable to cut and paste for some reason...probably Me been tired.
hobbit
http://www.everythingselectric.com/forum/index.php?topic=171.0
hobbit
Hobbit,
As Dad wrote.
Returning.... Returning.... Returning.
Linda
Three times is the charm, Linda!
What you speak of Hobbit is the instantaneous transmutation of our surroundings, whilest we remain alive...is it possible that the planet jumps forward in our "time" to a point well ahead of the present, while we remain in a normal living state?
Ouch, that would be quite a surprise!
Or do we die and become a part of the strata?Buried deep in transmutated geology?
I think of ooparts when I read that forum post by electrobleme, as in the spheres found in deep mines in South Africa, and the chipping hammer found in France.
(http://www.floridafusion.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/ancient-hammer1.jpg)
(http://www.floridafusion.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/african-spheres.jpg)
Were these items the victim of a hiccup in the Earth's electrical fields?
I see a lot differently now,with the introduction to the EU site, thanks again Hobbit!
Cheers!
Littleenki
Littleenki,
Earthquakes are our best clue imho.
I doubt too many people have tried dowsing an earthquake, except a crazy hobbit?
I knew something was about to occur, so sat up late waiting when an earthquake happened, it was bizzare trying to stand and use the rods as TIME ripped past Me.
I stayed reasonably calm enough to observe, the rods were been almost torn out of My hands.
I was really excited and couldn't sleep thinking about what an earthquake actually is, not what the indoctrination system TELLS us.
BALANCE at the heart is how the normal condition is, as the Egyptians showed with the heart been weighed on scales.
Two opposing flows in near balance is what We are so used to....the normal here and now moment....the slight out of balance creating what we term as time...
A sudden overload in the implosion one of those opposite flows is what an earthquake is, imho.
the volcanos been the direct opposit where an overload of outflow causes local resistance , and transmutation occurs.
If You can imagine a vast overload of either , then think of these flows as going in all directions at once , and several of them really overloading , then mountains been displaced , and sea floor levels been displaced can be understood .
It is really difficult to break free from the thought that mass is not a continuum in existance, but merely a local memory that is supported by the dual enablers ....the dragons...the serpents.
And if these dragons are released, then they cause annihilation of MEMORY.
Hobbit, friends with the serpents
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REvmhBO99I4
Why Electrogravitics is "Dangerous" - A Reason
Electrogravitic weapons systems, of which a beam weapon is one aspect. But the real thunderbolt is the gravitic weapon or gravity weapon which is based on microwave technology.
You just have to watch that video of the WTC where the central core literally disintegrates to dust as you watch. Explain to me how those steel frames vaporized into dust in seconds....
Then you will understand the real danger :D
911 WTC North Tower Core columns turned into dust
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udc4LVr5z6s
Almost as if there was a second pulse, which was required to finish it off. Sad day for the people.:(
I watched that happen, and knew in my heart it was something a whole lot more than what they said, and how it was basically a war trigger concocted by our own goverment. All my employees and business colleagues told me I was nuts, that the planes fuel did it, but for some reason I just knew.
They werent willing to believe it was possible, until Bush stood on that flight deck and trumpeted victory! It all went downhill from there, and now most of those same folks agree it was inside, so I guess I was a decade ahead of the curve!DOH!
All one has to do from an engineering standpoint is look at the cause and results of the WTC collapse, and it becomes clear, it shouldnt have happened unless there was some sort of "help".
As for earthquakes Hobbit, do you think those forces you are speaking of are the same type of thing we see here in this video, but manmade?
Yes, gravity waves. And are the microwave beams Zorgon and many others allude to not only what caused the WTC collapse, but also what cause tectonics and earth events?
Just in natural form?
Man made or not, it seems the last ten years have been really shaky, if you know what I mean, and tsunamis and fukushima...it's almost as if someone is trying to shake up humanity and disassociate us.
Why havent they just finished us off? Any guess is as good as mine, but with decade of furtherment on this technology, I shudder to think of what capabilities they have now.
Another possibility I thought of, and Im sure Hobbit has, too, is that our memory field is changing into a less stable period, where things arent remaining in balance, and the universe is correcting it's problems.
I picture ripples of memory causing all matter to be affected and making our world a rather dangerous place to be right now, as these gravity waves ripple and surge.
(http://pwg.gsfc.nasa.gov/istp/outreach/images/Gusts/balskirt.jpg)
Years ago I read about the parker spiral, and knew something was afoot, and what it seems like now is we are the tiny plastic toy in the bathtub when a person sits in it causing all the waves and subsequent tiny toy capsizing.
Is EG dangerous because it never operates at the same level, and has no constant? is it because it is a force of the memory field, and when those shifts occur, as in the collective conscious, all matter becomes a victim?
Are we with our own memories causing it?
And that beam weapon.....how many are there, and if there are enough, will that be how the Bilderbergs fight back when we finally begin to take control away from them?
Many questions in this reply, but many answers are needed to understand why our lives are so dangerous and how gravity does affect everything, all the time.
I think what will ultimately decide how dangerous EG is, shall be the fact that we are messing with something we shouldnt, and it is going to come back to bite somebody, just hopefully the right hand will get bitten!
Cheers(if possible :o)
Littleenki
Quote from: hobbit on June 22, 2012, 09:24:39 PM
Please explain where I am looking for an argument, as YOU have stated here????
Any idea what voltage is????
Any idea what gravity is?????
Next thing YOU will be saying that this is evidence of an argument, and YOU will be stating as fact that I have started an argument, which is clear for all to see is NOTHING but a figmant of YOUR imagination.
Hobbit
Here:
I see no point in claiming something is a consequence of something that You cannot explain.
hobbit
By saying that I cannot explain something is the prelude to an argument and I will not begin any conversation with you for you are VERY argumentative.
Mikado
Quote from: Linda Brown on June 22, 2012, 10:26:22 PM
Maybe we are all figments of other peoples imagination Hobbit!
I just found this. From Paul Schatzkins old Forum and you had just been as active here... talking this time rather boldly about the FTM remember? ( Nick Cook had dubbed it the Fu#@king Time Machine and Paul picked up those initials.... so that were he got it and what it refers to.
And then langley had quite a moment and sent this message.... Please note the time and the people posting here and especially the thought that hits Langley out of the blue and his reaction ( I need a smoke!)
by Langley on Wed Feb 27, 2008 4:25 am
James Barrett wrote:
Langley,
I think all of us will contribute to a boom in sales of " The Hunt for Zero Point". Nick Cook will never understand ( at least right now) that his little book is being used as a sort of text. Mine is in tatters.
How bout page 31 where AGAIN he sees without seeing......... JDB
Hi James, goody theres new chapters up, but before I go to them, I need to report a hair raising collision I had on page 221 of Cooks Book.
Now, as part of my thing, for a number of years, Ive been in the habit of going to Lanl website (Los Alamos website) and doing searches (as part of my digging stuff up re atomic testing) and one of the terms I had cause to search for starting about 5 years ago was "spin vectors". And dang it, though there was heaps of stuff openly available on the topic at lanl, there was enough stuff back then pulled by the lanl search engine which were classified and not available to the global general public. What I had been after was a clear explanation of Annihilation reactions (for some reason I was trying to figure what made the atom normally robust, and what made it go wonky. A question I had related to the relationship of the electron to the proton. What would happen when they met - what ordinarily kept them from meeting. (Which reveals the general state of my ignorance more than anything else. though I knew that Annihilation reactions occured and that the particles involved disappeared in puff of gamma. )(I have registered this in the forums a while back) And so remembering my confusion when hits where labelled "restricted" not for public release popped up at lanl, I spun out when I read the following on page 221 of Cooks Book:
"A point is reached where a large number of electrons and protons with opposite charges and (OPPOSITE-emphasis added) directions of spin are into collision and annihilate with one another" Coats wrote. "
And I saw, as I read this 5 minutes ago, the utter relational conformity with Brown's understandings (or what I understand of those). Schauberger created something in which ionisation occurred, but in which the ions (ie charged particles including separated electrons, protons and also including atoms which have had some of their electrons removed) (ion is a long word) both positive and negative were free. So upon meeting, the plus value (proton) and negative value (electron) summed to zero - and anhiliation reactions took place. With Brown's work the ozone problem is testament to the fact that Oxygen ions (O3 - ozone a + free radical) did not recombine as a result of Brown's machinery. But in the application of this basic fact (valence, recombination, annhilation and the circumstances of the occurences) does the B2 emit gamma from its trailing edges? If so there is perhaps evidence of a Schauberger as well as a Brown effect. (Brown methology to produce the ions, Schauberger effect (possibly engineered via the flow dynamics of the boundary layer over the wings) to produce "annhilation" thrust enhancement at the trailing edges. This sounds nuts, but IF the Schauberger effect is real, then why not.
Bear with me. For five years Ive been wondering whats so secret about "spin vectors" and then on P221 Cook explains it, not knowing that he has.
I need another smoke.
Someone once wrote about the radioactive properties of the B2. I think now the story might be true, but if so it is not strontium 90 paint. It is gamma from mutual annhilation of protons and electrons on the trailing edges of the wings.Langley
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Really? IP's Linda...remember.
zorg, surely it can be used as a weapon, just as electricity or explosive power. I would never suggest otherwise. But the original premise was that merely its use - for peaceful purposes or otherwise - was a danger.
It is not dangerous except as We choose to misuse it.
Quote from: Amaterasu on June 23, 2012, 06:37:20 PM
zorg, surely it can be used as a weapon, just as electricity or explosive power. I would never suggest otherwise. But the original premise was that merely its use - for peaceful purposes or otherwise - was a danger.
It is not dangerous except as We choose to misuse it.
HEAR! HEAR!
Mikado. Please explain to everyone here exactly what you mean by this remark as it pertains to Langleys message above?
Really? IP's Linda...remember.
I think that only fair because inuendo is not flattering to anyone. Linda
Quote from: Linda Brown on June 23, 2012, 06:51:12 PM
Mikado. Please explain to everyone here exactly what you mean by this remark as it pertains to Langleys message above?
Really? IP's Linda...remember.
I think that only fair because inuendo is not flattering to anyone. Linda
Why? So I will get another warning? I am at 25% now and I don't want anymore. I don't even know what I did to get it in the first place but I can bet it was YOU that complained.
Not taking the bait.
It stands as it stands. IP's Linda, IP's don't lie, especially over time and across to another forum.
Mikado
We don't need to talk about IPs Mikado. The rest of the conversation here is too valuable to see you get reprimanded. We can always cover this another time or on another Forum. I agree with you. Linda
And no Mikado I was not the one who complained. Linda
Quote from: Linda Brown on June 23, 2012, 07:09:46 PM
And no Mikado I was not the one who complained. Linda
sure....sure...
wanna buy a bridge? <g>
Mikado
We were talking about Paul going back and finally publishing the book. He " threw up his hands in January of 09.... made arrangements to publish the manuscript unedited a few weeks later.... don't know when that finally happened.
But he had FINISHED the book which he had been posting on line, chapter at a time.... nearly a year earlier. I foolishly thought that he was just taking the time to sort of decompress and totally believed him when he repeated that he was getting ready for the rewrite and that we could address some of the issues that I was worried about then.
One of my concerns was that he had ( after we signed our contract) actually taken it upon himself to write about "Morgan " and me.... drawing from what I had told him and from my journal notes.... this was not part of our agreement .... and I was uncomfortable with alot of that private information going out there like that. For other reasons too.... Paul had no contract with me to tell MY story. The agreement that he had with me was ONLY to tell Dads..... so yes... I was not exceptionally happy with the intrusion into my personal life and was counting on him removing much of it.
That's my side of it. I am wondering what spin you will have on that Mikado since you seem to think that the book should have had a better " due diligence" I totally agree with you here. Those sections that spoke of the love affair that I had going with Morgan had no business in a biography of Thomas Townsend Brown.
Linda
Quote from: Mikado on June 23, 2012, 02:44:49 PM
Here:
I see no point in claiming something is a consequence of something that You cannot explain.
hobbit
By saying that I cannot explain something is the prelude to an argument and I will not begin any conversation with you for you are VERY argumentative.
Mikado
<<<SNIPPED>>>
I merely wanted to debate what is involved with the thread subject....electrogravitics and it's dangers.
If We don't fully understand what voltage is, and what gravity is, then how stupid could one be to start playing about with the very basic building blocks of LIFE.
hobbit
"then how stupid could one be to start playing about with the very basic building blocks of LIFE.
hobbit"
Pretty dumb Hobbit. But I am sure that there are those out there willing to do it.... and so sure of themselves that they think that they can get away without any consequences. I am not so sure. And I don't think that you are either. I will stick with the cautious Hobbit. <g> Linda
Quote from: Linda Brown on June 23, 2012, 08:15:25 PM
"then how stupid could one be to start playing about with the very basic building blocks of LIFE.
hobbit"
Pretty dumb Hobbit. But I am sure that there are those out there willing to do it.... and so sure of themselves that they think that they can get away without any consequences. I am not so sure. And I don't think that you are either. I will stick with the cautious Hobbit. <g> Linda
We may be been given a very clear demonstration of how anyone stupid enough to throw a switch on something without comprehending the local consequences.... is affected by such?????
I know I keep blathering on about memory, but just suppose that a persons personal memory field could be jepordised and corrupted by been exposed to the local affects of an electrogravitic device??????
They may become paranoid in the extreme?????
And You know that ...paranoia will always annoy ya.
If segments of their memory become erased, and infilled with differing information, they may begin to think even those closest to them are aginst them?????
They may begin to see shadows in the brightest of rooms????
hobbit
And enemies where once loving friends stood. I gotcha. Linda
Hobbit said
"They may begin to see shadows in the brightest of rooms?"
Maybe the gigantic ego of someone blocking the light? :o
Cheers, Hobbit :)
Le
Quote from: undo11 on April 29, 2012, 08:51:15 AM
well erm. i have 300 pages of data on the subject in a thread on ats,called "stargates are real" but it's very hard to read because as time goes on, i learn new info and change some of my theories, other people chime in and either add to it, or try to debunk it, arguments ensue, i throw temper tantrums, so by the end of the thread (if you make it that far) you'd feel like you need a vacation or something. it's emotionally exhausting and very frustrating to read.
Quote from: A51Watcher on April 29, 2012, 09:10:03 AM
I know the feeling well. My Roswell thread on there is like 27 pages what with all the nonsense that interrupts the topic.
The exact same thread I posted here in which I simply deleted all the exterraneous bs is only like 8 pages. lol
Ah yes I am doing the same with many of my old threads and locking them with a sticky for that same reason.
We have ALL worked hard on those threads for years and the info just gets lost and buried. My stargate material is 42 pages just my posts alone in that "Stargates are Real" thread and Russo already moved 25 pages to the workshop here. Many of those posts though are chit chat and repeated info.
What we need is someone to do an outline and summary of that thread like someone did with Sleeper's mega thread Perhaps I can pay someone to do that professionally and then we can keep it as a reference PDF
But while we are at it... the same thing is happening here... :D
Somehow we are talking Sumerians in the electrogravitic threads :P
This topic is already getting so huge that members are having real issues following the information. And the ongoing Hatfields vs McCoys feud is not helping. In fact it is having the effect of people focusing more on the soap opera aspect than the research and data on the topic. (you should see my emails and PMs)
We may need to hire someone to do a summary of facts in this area as well :P
I know its a conspiracy forum and I know that because of that things can get heated... but other members are just seeing the fight and losing sight of the topic
Quote from: Amaterasu on June 23, 2012, 06:37:20 PM
It is not dangerous except as We choose to misuse it.
uh huh and since when has mankind ever been able to resist using new technology as a weapon first?
We discovered fire... we found that we could use it to burn our enemies
We discovered Oil Tars Long before we dreamed of it as fuel we used it to pour burning hot oil on people attacking our castles
We created atomic energy, the first thing we did was nuke two cities
Beside you tell me EG can provide unlimited free power...
History tells us that unlimited power corrupts absolutely 90% of the human race at this time cannot be trusted to handle such immense power 'for the good of all'
That doesn't mean we shouldn't try, but we can't just drop it on joe public without safeguurds either
Secret Societies were originally set up NOT to hide knowledge but to TEACH it wisely... and to protect it from the then current PTB
Unfortunately some (but not all) went to the Dark Side :D
Quote from: zorgon on June 23, 2012, 10:33:24 PM
Ah yes I am doing the same with many of my old threads and locking them with a sticky for that same reason.
We have ALL worked hard on those threads for years and the info just gets lost and buried. My stargate material is 42 pages just my posts alone in that "Stargates are Real" thread and Russo already moved 25 pages to the workshop here. Many of those posts though are chit chat and repeated info.
What we need is someone to do an outline and summary of that thread like someone did with Sleeper's mega thread Perhaps I can pay someone to do that professionally and then we can keep it as a reference PDF
But while we are at it... the same thing is happening here... :D
Somehow we are talking Sumerians in the electrogravitic threads :P
This topic is already getting so huge that members are having real issues following the information.
Zorgon you said.....And the ongoing Hatfields vs McCoys feud is not helping. In fact it is having the effect of people focusing more on the soap opera aspect than the research and data on the topic. (you should see my emails and PMs)
I have to say something because I think that it is possible that you folks are missing what may be actually happening here....I agree that a certain amount of " stick to the topic" is important. I have had it happen before when I thought that we were talking about electrogravitational stuff and suddenly we were baking pies!.... but there is an odd sort of thing going on here that we have to be careful not to thwart just because we don't recognize it when it is happening. One person on a long ago thread likened it to us all being windchimes and having this special mystical wind blowing through.... invisibile of course but certainly there.... if you make those windchimes stationary... or lock them down and don't allow them the freedom to swing in WHAT LOOKS LIKE A RANDOM PATTERN then you lose the sound that they make when the wind hits them and I think we are all a little bit like this wonderful orchestra..... anyway.... trying to get enough wisdom to realize what is happening here....and I would ask that we all be a little careful about what we might be inhibiting . We don't know what this communication is yet folks.... it would be a shame to slam a door in its face because we don't understand.
Zorgon if you feel the " Hatfield and McCoy" drama is NOT helping to uncover some interesting facts and fruitful facts about the dangers of electrogravitics and where it has been and where it is going then please point me to a discussion that is closer to the heart of the matter? Do you really feel that the discussion here is not helping to explore the dangers of electrogravitics to the world? I am just following the rules and dealing with the situation the best way that I can.... show me how I can improve. Our so called " feud:" is more on topic than most here. Feuding as we may be Mikado and I are right in the middle of some important work here... and it is the topic.
We may need to hire someone to do a summary of facts in this area as well :P
I know its a conspiracy forum and I know that because of that things can get heated... but other members are just seeing the fight and losing sight of the topic
The fight IS the topic......One way of looking at it. If you have developed or are developing such a force where are your respponsibilities? Could it be possible that this Forum is becoming an instrument to work all of that out? You can call it all drama if you want but are you actually seeing what may be going on here. I may be dense sometimes but I am not entirely stupid and I think that these are important conversations. Linda
Quote from: Mikado on June 23, 2012, 06:58:48 PM
Why? So I will get another warning? I am at 25% now and I don't want anymore. I don't even know what I did to get it in the first place but I can bet it was YOU that complained.
Not taking the bait.
It stands as it stands. IP's Linda, IP's don't lie, especially over time and across to another forum.
;D IP means unless you are using a proxy server, your IP leaves a trace where ever you go. Its how forums can ban and block people. Its also how we check new members if they are spammers or otherwise naughty around the net :D
(http://www.danasoft.com/vipersig.jpg)
If Mikado were specific about what IPs worry him so much perhaps there are simple explanations.... or if not simple at least might clarify his concerns. As it is right now I only see him declaring broadcast inuendo... which is aimed at somehow clouding my credibility.
This latest was a near threat that he could expose me somehow because a poster by the name of JD Barrett happened to have the same IP as this. I am assuming thats what he was saying but of course he never actually came out with that charge. He is very good at not being specific so that he does not have to answer specifically himself.
His actions surprise me because Mikado I thought was was an engineer well versed in Internet stuff.... and as such I would think that there may be other explanations for someone posting from the same address. Lets see how many of them could there be?
GEE.... sorry if I sound a bit simplistic but wouldn't that include the possibility that this JDBarrett was sitting right here at my desk when he posted that? Just asking .
Its just ONE of the many possibilities and I am not even sure which one is Mikados favorite! But the scenarios that he favors are always derogatory in my direction. WHY IS THAT?
Linda
Keeping totally on topic.
Given that electrogravitics may be dangerous, and possibly the ultimate of secrets upon this planet, and maybe much further afield also????
Could it possibly be that such as the fictional named JDBarrett when posting upon the hut , had the ability to route via Lindas Ip address, as others involved may have also .
That this then been noted by I assume Fred???
led to the suspicion that Linda was all of these people all at once?????
Paranoia runs riot.
hobbit
Quote from: Linda Brown on June 24, 2012, 12:03:49 AM
If Mikado were specific about what IPs worry him so much perhaps there are simple explanations.... or if not simple at least might clarify his concerns. As it is right now I only see him declaring broadcast inuendo... which is aimed at somehow clouding my credibility.
This latest was a near threat that he could expose me somehow because a poster by the name of JD Barrett happened to have the same IP as this. I am assuming thats what he was saying but of course he never actually came out with that charge. He is very good at not being specific so that he does not have to answer specifically himself.
His actions surprise me because Mikado I thought was was an engineer well versed in Internet stuff.... and as such I would think that there may be other explanations for someone posting from the same address. Lets see how many of them could there be?
GEE.... sorry if I sound a bit simplistic but wouldn't that include the possibility that this JDBarrett was sitting right here at my desk when he posted that? Just asking .
Its just ONE of the many possibilities and I am not even sure which one is Mikados favorite! But the scenarios that he favors are always derogatory in my direction. WHY IS THAT?
Linda
That excuse is getting really old Linda.
Ask yourself, why would the PTB want to route so many different individuals through your IP? It makes no common sense for it would draw unwanted attention to you and disclose your location which at time, you were using a pseudonym to remain anonymous. They would have been doing you no favors for they would have been exposing you.
This is getting old and is NOT on topic regardless of what another poster has said. And to bring up Fred in a forum where he isn't and where it has no bearing on the topic is just casting aspersions and not nice ones.
Mikado
Quote from: Linda Brown on June 23, 2012, 08:15:25 PM
Quote"then how stupid could one be to start playing about with the very basic building blocks of LIFE.
hobbit"
Pretty dumb Hobbit.
Well then that means that EG is dangerous doesn't it? If no one understands how it works and what it can do?
::)
Quote from: Mikado on June 23, 2012, 07:16:24 PM
sure....sure...
Well it wasn't Linda that filed the complaint It was one of my staff that had enough.
Quote from: zorgon on June 24, 2012, 12:53:53 AM
Well it wasn't Linda that filed the complaint It was one of my staff that had enough.
Greetings:
We're pretty sure it was more than one.
Let's put the two of them in a squared circle and charge admission...
Probably be more on topic and much more interesting...
IMHO only.
Good luck with all of it, as EG truly needs understanding and we are on the side of the truth.
tfw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKs8ft0dBss
Le ;)
I think that the only comment I have at this point is that things that make no sense to Mikado are not necessarily nonsensical. Just my personal opinion.
He himself made quite a point of saying that he could present a IP for himself elsewhere ....so if even he could do it.....other administrators on the Hut could do it.... almost anyone anywhere with the right skill could do it.... so I think this entire discussion is pretty much a waste of time. I do note however the agenda behind it.... which is to .... at all costs.... discredit me.
Again my personal opinion based on observation. Linda
OK.... You guys want to know my beef with Mikado straight out? Its very simple actually.
Hobbit says this
"then how stupid could one be to start playing about with the very basic building blocks of LIFE.
hobbit"
And he was VERY accurate. And Mikado mentions in one of his tests that the thing " sang" in a way he had never heard. Do any of you remember that particular post?
Sang!.... and he wonders why I am upset over the fact that he has basically decided long ago to " go it on his own" and that he knows so much more than anyone else around him.
And yet it "sings" and he doesn't know what that means.
I have no words for the contempt I have for that brand of irresponsible scientific exploration. Especially when he ( of all people) knows the potential of this thing.
. So there you have it. No words are just about what its worth..... and I suppose that really its too late now. Mikado is so smug in thinking that no one will come down his lane but its not he alone that will suffer.
And maybe John was right after all. Linda
Since apparently it would be wise for us not to talk about random IPs.... I just wanted to ask why you let that big message by Langley fly right by and you had NOTHING at all to say about that. Why is that? Especially this part
Bear with me. For five years Ive been wondering whats so secret about "spin vectors" and then on P221 Cook explains it, not knowing that he has.
I need another smoke.
Someone once wrote about the radioactive properties of the B2. I think now the story might be true, but if so it is not strontium 90 paint. It is gamma from mutual annhilation of protons and electrons on the trailing edges of the wings.Langley
The link to Pauls website where this is drawn is in the original message above. Linda
Senior Officer
I would have thought that would have been important!
instead you divert the attention to IPs. Lets get back to the important material that Langley presented Staying on topic here!!
Messa ge 148, this thread...... Linda
Quote from: zorgon on June 23, 2012, 10:57:02 PM
uh huh and since when has mankind ever been able to resist using new technology as a weapon first?
We discovered fire... we found that we could use it to burn our enemies
We discovered Oil Tars Long before we dreamed of it as fuel we used it to pour burning hot oil on people attacking our castles
We created atomic energy, the first thing we did was nuke two cities
Beside you tell me EG can provide unlimited free power...
History tells us that unlimited power corrupts absolutely 90% of the human race at this time cannot be trusted to handle such immense power 'for the good of all'
That doesn't mean we shouldn't try, but we can't just drop it on joe public without safeguurds either
Secret Societies were originally set up NOT to hide knowledge but to TEACH it wisely... and to protect it from the then current PTB
Unfortunately some (but not all) went to the Dark Side :D
You forget one thing... With free energy comes no need for money. History has never had a time when some form of exchange ("money") was unneeded, nor when there was no energy scarcity, nor when robots were doing all necessary work no One WANTS to do.
"If You want peace, take the profit out of war."
So. Since only individuals could have motive to weaponize - jealousy as motive, perhaps - any weapons will be used very locally, and society will deal with the guilty as They do now.
The whole idea of "looking at history" to give One a map of terra incognita (abundant energy, robots to do all necessary work no One WANTS to do) seems less than likely to offer a good picture.
In history, the MAIN reason for weaponizing was money and it's other form, power. Add the overunity, and One cannot have power over anyOne but One's Self.
I say give Them power for home and vehicle, and MOST will be VERY happy with that. Take the costs of energy out of transportation, agriculture, and industry and everything is free.
And you think that kind of world will be handed to you Amaterasu? I hope that you are right. But you still have not come to grips with the danger of electrogravitics while you are counting on its benefits so heavily. I remember we started this thread or one very much like it.... and you couldn't see the dangers.
Now that you have had a chance to do some reading.... do you still feel that the dangers are remote?
Linda
Amaterasu. Please.... this is VERY important.... we have all had a good time here "playing" with personalities... I have tried to say that this is important stuff but apparently my message is not getting through because I am supposed to be too emotionally involved. Well. I kinda wish all of you were just a little more emotional about this. You might pay just a little more attention to words of warning.
I am on topic. In fact I think that it is important to review what the first post was.
#################################
From Amaterasu....
I received the following explaining why electrogravitics is dangerous, and would love any input from My friends here relative to this issue:
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You are correct about that because it vents energy from another dimension and appears to create energy.
The fact that it produces a dimensionless thrust means that it produces its thrust regardless of its inertial frame of reference.
This appears to violate the conservation of energy and mass law. This law is of course in error because we can plainly see that the universe is full of energy and matter and existence implies creation.
It should also be pointed out that it is impossible to prove the non-happening of an event, therefore this law is not a law at all but rather a statement of what the writer of it was unable to do for lack of knowledge and simply assumed everyone else was always going to be just as ignorant.
It was discovered by accident in 1929 and pigeon-holed because they didn't want to rewrite the physical laws and appear stupid. There have been many forms of it over the decades but it remains a sensitive subject because this technology can accellerate an object to speeds near the speed of light as well as spin a generator shaft.
The generator application has dire economic as well as other consequences, but the collision of an object travelling at near light spead with our moon, (which by the way would eventually be inevitable) would create an energy density at the collision site about equal to the energy density near a black hole.
Such an energetic event would unravell the bonds that hold matter together and would result in a shower of both particles and their anti particles.
The resultant malestrom of destruction would self-propagate through the moon at roughly 1/2 the speed of light and convert the entire mass of the moon into gamma radiation in what is in essence a Hypernova explosion.
Within 1.5 seconds the entire Earth would be exposed to a blast of radiation similar to you holding a beach ball-sized nuclear bomb at arms length over the entire surface.
Most of the other planets would also be destroyed and the outer shell of the Sun would be stripped away exposing its 20 million degree core.
Is this reason enough?
(He's wrong about the economic thing...)
You did not name your source Amaterasu. I have a feeling that I know who it was. Maybe if you could name him...it might sink in here just a little more.
And if he is right about everything else Amaterasu..... who gives a royal rip about the " economic thing". Just trying to put things into perspective around here ... Before I get called Chicken Little again. <g> Linda
To be fair, I don't know who the guy is. I posted to the Yahoo free energy group and the guy responded with that. I did ask Him if He wanted to come aboard here but never got a response on that. (Seems that happens to Me a lot! LOL! I asked that other guy the same and got no response.)
So... I don't know what to tell You. I could comb My emails to find what He sent and let You know what He called Himself, but as I recall, it was not identifying.
Thats OK then. If he wants to be recognized I am sure that he will step forward. His view was astoundingly astute.... and I thought I recognized some of his phrasing.
One of the most important things that he said was
"You are correct about that because it vents energy from another dimension and appears to create energy.
The fact that it produces a dimensionless thrust means that it produces its thrust regardless of its inertial frame of reference.
I don't know if you realized it or not but when Mikado and some of the others invest themselves in a conversation about what happens when this thing " works" this is what they are talking about and your : guest poster" hit it squarely on the head..... That lets me know that he is well aware of what he is talking about.
In nature this Effect is demonstrated by ball lightning, The strangest and still the most unexplained things about ball lightning is when it is formed by an arc..... a sudden discharge.... it should only last for a short time.... but in some cases ball lightning actually acts as if it is " drawing its energy from somewhere else", And indeed it is.
Years ago no one could venture the thought that it was pulling energy from " another dimension" but now thanks for writing from La Violette and others.... People are beginning to consider the possibilities....
If he is right about that part of his message then there is a good chance that he is right about the rest of it.... and it is easy to see that if you are drawing energy from another dimension .... that action just might be answered........by messages in return or maybe even a personal visit.
Thanks for the response. As pessimistic as I might have sounded in the last few messages ( and stressed out too, I know, I know... I am really sorry about that..... ) I still have wonderful views of the gummer ahead of us.......editing in here.... of course I meant SUMMER... and I THOUGHT I had proofread that! At least you know its me! ) Linda
I did delve back in My email and found a name: Alius Sage. I doubt this is His real name, though. Does it mean anything to You?
Quote from: Mikado on June 24, 2012, 12:45:30 AM
That excuse is getting really old Linda.
Ask yourself, why would the PTB want to route so many different individuals through your IP? It makes no common sense for it would draw unwanted attention to you and disclose your location which at time, you were using a pseudonym to remain anonymous. They would have been doing you no favors for they would have been exposing you.
This is getting old and is NOT on topic regardless of what another poster has said. And to bring up Fred in a forum where he isn't and where it has no bearing on the topic is just casting aspersions and not nice ones.
Mikado
Removed My reply to save anyone thinking they have to "BABYSIT" Me in any way.
I may leave this forum.
hobbit
PLEASE STAY HOBBIT. IF YOU LEAVE I WILL LOSE MY NAVIGATOR.
Please stay. Just.... sometimes.... don't say anything... and when you see me starting off wrongfooted.... tell me...Please. Don't leave now. That would have been the plan.
I will learn to shut up too. Linda
The TOPIC of this conversation is..... Why Electrogravitics is Dangerous.
And like others have already pointed out here.... So is Electromagnetism. Thanks to Tesla and many great men we use it every day. We also experienced the atomic bomb..... which wondrously ..... ( though it was a terrible thing) was only used twice. Has anyone ever thought..... what it would have been like.?... if there were MORE bomb making materials available at the time????? Has anyone stopped to REALLY look at the history of World War Two and possibly see that there were many forces that seemed to be at work to limit that supply of fissionable material to just two at the time? How did that happen to come about?
Dad once asked me "what was one of the biggest secrets of World War Two?"
And "what was ONE secret that was not compromised."
I answered.... something silly... I don't even remember.... something about the Manhattan Project....and he just shook his head...." Stalin knew that we had the bomb before the first test and he knew about the test almost immediately." "Oh"... I said..... what then could the biggest secret have possibly been...
"That there were only two bombs available to use.... at that time"
You guys are students of history. What might have happened if that news had gotten to the Japanese military?
What might have happened if somehow the US had been able to build MORE bombs and have them ready?
This is on topic because you see when you have something SO DANGEROUS it needs to be protected. And when that wall goes up.... there are others who are always going to be bent on tearing it down for their own purposes.
They use all kinds of techniques but the object is to erode away the protective barrier around that "special something ".... they have plans for its use themselves.....but how would they use it?
The person that Paul Schatzkin at one time chose to call "Morgan" said that the "cost" for this effort would be "Nothing short of everything". He has paid an enormous price already.... but As long as there are people like that out there.... and people who recognize those efforts..... our future will stand the way we hope to live it... in peace and hopefully the prosperity that Amaterasu envisions.
And why am I here. Dad already told me.
"You are the moment between the chalk and the eraser"
Linda
Mornin' Linda,
What I noticed in that e-mail Amy got, was in that mystery e-mail, Alius Sage spoke of interdimensional power tapping, and how the BB Effect might be an interdimensional shifter of sorts.
As you know recently I had posed this...The Bb Effect might actually be time travel, with the movement being an extremely fast switching between dimensions, resulting in a superluminal switching velocity. This would be the reason for having to use extreme voltages, and like that ball lightning, once it starts, it goes for quite a while, if not forever.
I would imagine this to be the basis for what you were told...to look at the ball lightning.
I would wonder how we could make such a device safe within any lab or such, as the interdimensional aspect of it doesnt play by the rules. And how would we control the part of it that occurs in the other dimension it operates at, if we cant even prove it's existence?
If there were a way to form ball lightning in a lab, and keep it under control...which there isnt yet as I know, it would be the single most amazing breakthrough ever in energy generation, and definitley the most important in physics.
Ole John Hutchison was probably one of the few who got it, and maybe even your Alius Sage. He is quite a mischevious guy!
Either that, or a certain fellow named after what happen when we weld? 8)
Hobbit, you know whats going on here, and have a better understanding of these connections between dimensions than any professor or physicist, so what is your take on that message that Amy received?
Are we finding the nodal points are the key, and is it imperative that these generators or energy devices get built on them? It really is an electric universe, and one which will have it at every dimension, and scale, eh?
Maybe we need to learn to transmute the energy through dimensional levels, with no moving parts, and just a megalithic structure for a generator.
Hmmm, sounds like we are harkening back to megalithic times for some answers, and wouldnt it be fitting to find the pyramids and others are just as capable as any nuclear plant or hydroelectric dam today? 8)
Sitting right there under our noses for millenia...silly homo sapiens, are we really that blind? ??? ???
Le
Oh yes.... but that is the Creators gift to us.... to keep us from getting in over our heads...
And as irritation as the delays caused by Mikado and others like him are to me.......... I accept them as agents of protection too.
The thing is though......... after a certain point in our development we will see through all of that.... when someone like " Sage" sends a message.... that needs to be discounted.... the ploy is..... talk about IPs.....and immediately the conversation is galloping off in a different direction AWAY from where it should have stayed..... ( and I am the worlds worst, I admit it. I fire up easily enough..... but that is not going to happen any more because now I get the drift of what has been happening all of these years and I see the reasoning behind it.
I see Paul now in a light that I could not see him before. And I understand finally what his publishing company name really means in the long run....HE might not even see it yet.... which is the grand irony in all of this..... but I see it. Paul was assigned to the task of doing EXACTLY what he did.
Nothing else would have fired me out of my complacency here in the desert. Nothing but the insult of his quiting the way he did would have fired my burners toward writing my version of things in " The Good-Bye Man".......... and now with Mikado taking the turn that he has..... I have found energy in another direction. Anybody see a fine Cosmic hand at work here?
I do.
And me? I just go along with as little information as possible. And I finally figured out the why of that the other day....
George was standing there telling me how eventually he is going to tear this other wall down.... expand the house in a totally different direction and I could feel the unrest and unhappiness rising in me like a flood. All my life having stuff moved around... or set outside ... has meant that we would be leaving... and the anxiety builds in me around here to the point that I doubt I could ever explain it to anyone. I can barely breathe.... and the more he talks about the changes in the future.... the more upset I get! Finally I just sort of yelled at him " DON'T TELL ME ALL OF THIS! I CAN'T HEAR ALL OF IT! JUST TELL ME WHAT I NEED TO KNOW TODAY AND TOMORROW! NO MORE! I JUST CAN'T STAND IT. ITS TOO MUCH!
And in the middle of my rant I can hear Morgans words to me about what Dad had told him years and years ago.....".Don't share this information with Linda. She NEEDS NOT TO KNOW.
So there I am folks and here we all are . Now what happens? Linda
The hand is always there, we need to remind ourselves not to let go, Linda.
It is a foggy world we live in, with many dangers within it's cloudy existence, and the hand will shepherd you through every time.
Why is EG so dangerous? Because we just dont understand what things it's capable of, we only have found the thin layer of sugary mysticism on it's surface, while deep within are the truthful layers of an amzingly delicious cake.
Scrape the frosting off, and the cake begins to dry out, so when we are fully aware and able to eat the whole cake, no scraping of frosting will be necessary, just one big bite, and a huge glass of milk to wash it down...Dont anyone touch that cake...:D
Then we will be gifted with the world we deserve, and the beautiful world mankind's forefathers once had.
Now Im hungry for some reason...cake anybody?
Cheers!
Littleenki
Someday I am going to eat and swim my way into a vacation....!!!!!....
Looking for a " writers hut" somewhere . Isolated... in some woods maybe....water nearby.....
Maybe I will go back to that house that I found in Pa. I wrote about it in the Good-Bye Man..
I had sort of " run away" from all the tensions of my home in the desert. George and I were not getting along at the time.....he had even mentioned divorce.... and all of a sudden this character Paul named "Morgan" had stepped back into my life.... Morgan and I had taken several of what I can only call " dream like " adventures together.... and then he was GONE like nobody but Mogan can get " gone"....
And I wanted to go back to Boston to talk to an old friend. (This is a person who through his life has lived under many names too..... I think at the time I was calling him " Boston".... but now we refer to him as "Mr. Twigsnapper")
I took the train to Boston.... and Boston and I went on sort of a great Road trip.....where he was able to tell me far more about my Dads work than I ever expected to hear. About my Moms activities too.....
My mind was really confused. I had George on one side....not being happy with me or our life together apparently because I was not able to be 100% in his life anymore and he couldn't understand the one that I had lived before we met..... and on the other hand I had a fellow that came back into my life like a blinding flash of purple.violet light.... and then suddenly was GONE again.... and I asked myself..... for how many years THIS time?..... so I stood there in a small town in Pa and looked at a small brick house that was old but sturdy and I could see myself there with a pair of Yorkies....a fire burning.... fine comforters on the bed.... a polished wood floor that creaked when I walked across it........I could see it very clearly..... but .... it just wasn't time yet..... Boston just shook his head and managed to say before he got back in the car..." You are so much like your Dad"
Diversion from the topic... a little.... but in a way its an attempt by me to show just what happens when a person comes up against the forces that are involved here. Things roll downhill on a personal level and sometimes thats even more important a story to tell than the scientific parts of it. Because how would anybody ever understand????
http://www.smashwords.com/books/view/49963
( Rose helped me write a much cleaner account of that meeting with " Boston" and how I came to learn so much more about what was happening regarding my life surrounded by my fathers work.
If you are interested at all about the life of Townsend Brown please take a look because we would have much more to talk about here if you could understand what has already happened.)
So what happens when I find myself there a second time??? Linda
Quote from: Linda Brown on June 24, 2012, 02:29:58 PM
Oh yes.... but that is the Creators gift to us.... to keep us from getting in over our heads...
And as irritation as the delays caused by Mikado and others like him are to me.......... I accept them as agents of protection too.
Linda
I have created no delays. If you continue to cast out negative comments about me, I will start hitting the "report" key.
You really need to begin to let it go.
Mikado
Quote from: Linda Brown on June 24, 2012, 01:21:38 PM
PLEASE STAY HOBBIT. IF YOU LEAVE I WILL LOSE MY NAVIGATOR.
Please stay. Just.... sometimes.... don't say anything... and when you see me starting off wrongfooted.... tell me...Please. Don't leave now. That would have been the plan.
I will learn to shut up too. Linda
Linda,
I recieved a PM with..."We are tired of babysitting You guys", and part of one of my posts snipped.
I appreciate the PMs I have recieved, thank You to those who sent them.
hobbit
It would appear that I can be accused of been "VERY ARGUMENTATIVE"
But cannot reply to such.
ATS2????
hobbit
Not hardly. What you fail to recognize is that it was an attempt by Zorgon to do BETTER than alpha tango.
Instead of just zapping posts with rude content, he thought it a shame to zap ENTIRE posts that otherwise had good points, aside from the childish outbursts.
And so he allowed valuable time to be wasted in order to save the 'important' points and allow them to remain.
As I predicted ingrates would instead whine about their post being 'censored'.
That is why I prefer to just zap them period without a word.
If what you had to say what so darn important, you can just re- type it all over again withOUT the snarky comments and see if it flies this time.
But hey, that's just my preference.
Sounds like someone is going to write another book! Good for you!
Stay out of Colorado, theyre having a meteor shower attack!
http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/31209538/detail.html
Ive read through about a fourth of Parallel Universe today, and actually find it quite captivating, not what I expected at all. Thanks for the push, as I read so many books, it will help explain some of the others Ive read.
There is very little tech talk in there, but a plethora of Dr Brown's life stories, and it lends more insight as to some of his experiments.
Great read so far!
I apologize to all here that I hadnt read it sooner. Especially you , Linda and Hobbit!
It also seems to fill in the blanks from your book Linda, and thats always good when trying to understand why someone like him had the amazing ideas he did.
Anyway, here weve received ten inches of rain so far today, so the pool will be cold tonight, any swimmers? :D
Cheers!
Littleenki
"Ive read through about a fourth of Parallel Universe today, and actually find it quite captivating, not what I expected at all. Thanks for the push, as I read so many books, it will help explain some of the others Ive read.There is very little tech talk in there, but a plethora of Dr Brown's life stories, and it lends more insight as to some of his experiments.
Great read so far!
Look carefully at the care he has taken to deal with the Navy and with the material around Denison. The man worked hard. His interview with Jim Lee ( the man who took Dads " fan precipitator" and turned it eventually into the " Ionic Breeze" is an interesting read.
Mikado has been so busy saying that Paul was fed so much misinformation that it turned his book into a "Pile of empty shells" is absolutely not true.
I can see that your conclusion might have been negative. But as I told Paul.... He wrote a VERY good book! Just imagine how wonderful it would have been if he had just taken the time to do the standard edit work and the second rewrite that I thought that both of us were looking forward to.
But he sort of ran into a speed bump mental delay.
These things happen I guess. Linda
Would love to read the book. It will make its way into My hands when waiting is fulfilled.
As for that swim, Dave... I'll wait till the Fukushima fallout has settled to the bottom... [grin]
Quote from: hobbit on June 24, 2012, 08:32:12 PM
Linda,
I recieved a PM with..."We are tired of babysitting You guys", and part of one of my posts snipped.
hobbit
Oh good grief.... The part that was snipped was you calling someone a moron. Posts like that serve no purpose and are NOT welcome here
It is also very poor etiquette to post contents of a private message into the public area.
But yeah this bickering is like children in kindergarten as far as most people are concerned, so yeah we are tired of babysitting
The regular members, most of whom have no idea what you guys are talking about with the coded references and cryptic comments to material from other sites... are fed up I see it in PM's I see it in posts, the most recent last night from deuem
I understand that this feud has been going on for over 6 years across various forums...
Like ATS you say? Well people insulting each other and then screaming censorship when its dealt with... THAT is what caused the issues at ATS in the first place
But posting of private notes from mods trying to keep the drama under control? You bet they will be deleted. That is just not cool
Quote from: zorgon on June 24, 2012, 09:24:31 PM
Oh good grief.... The part that was snipped was you calling someone a moron. Posts like that serve no purpose and are NOT welcome here
It is also very poor etiquette to post contents of a private message into the public area.
But yeah this bickering is like children in kindergarten as far as most people are concerned, so yeah we are tired of babysitting
The regular members, most of whom have no idea what you guys are talking about with the coded references and cryptic comments to material from other sites... are fed up I see it in PM's I see it in posts, the most recent last night from deuem
I understand that this feud has been going on for over 6 years across various forums...
Like ATS you say? Well people insulting each other and then screaming censorship when its dealt with... THAT is what caused the issues at ATS in the first place
But posting of private notes from mods trying to keep the drama under control? You bet they will be deleted. That is just not cool
I DID NOT CALL ANYONE A MORON.
PUT UP THE PART YOU CLIPPED.
hobbit
Quote from: A51Watcher on June 24, 2012, 09:00:54 PM
Not hardly. What you fail to recognize is that it was an attempt by Zorgon to do BETTER than alpha tango.
Instead of just zapping posts with rude content, he thought it a shame to zap ENTIRE posts that otherwise had good points, aside from the childish outbursts.
And so he allowed valuable time to be wasted in order to save the 'important' points and allow them to remain.
As I predicted ingrates would instead whine about their post being 'censored'.
That is why I prefer to just zap them period without a word.
If what you had to say what so darn important, you can just re- type it all over again withOUT the snarky comments and see if it flies this time.
But hey, that's just my preference.
Who is an "INGRATE"
Whatever one is???
As for retyping the part which was clipped ...I can't remember what it was fully
hobbit
Mikado,
Please read the post that you have gotten so upset over. Can't you see the compliment there?
Read it again.
Oh yes.... but that is the Creators gift to us.... to keep us from getting in over our heads...
And as irritation as the delays caused by Mikado and others like him are to me.......... I accept them as agents of protection too.
Linda
And to Hobbit and the rest of the membership. I am sorry if I seem to be dragging you all through years and years of this.... but the topic was "A reason I recieved Why Electrogravitics is Dangerous" and the opening statement.... you have to agree was chilling.
But anytime something takes us OFF that subject.... look hard at what is really happening. Dear Hobbit! I KNOW that you know better and I should too....and we are going to try to explain to those readers who haven't a clue why this is so important.... aren't they here to learn?
You can't form conclusions about situations without knowing more about them. Simple as that.
Mikado is here to lend his side to things..... so his views I am sure will be well represented.
I promised to remain as civil as humanly possible. and I think that he has agreed that we will try to limit out childish behavior....What more can we offer?
And I sure admire the restraint that this board has displayed.
HOBBIT.... YOu are playing into a wrongfooted effect. Watch out for landmines!!!! Please drop it!!!! Lets stick to the subject.
Linda
Quote from: hobbit on June 24, 2012, 09:38:09 PM
I DID NOT CALL ANYONE A MORON.
PUT UP THE PART YOU CLIPPED.
hobbit
A) i don't appreciate you yelling :P
B) your clipped post... It is stored in reports along with the complaint that we acted on
YOUR OFFENSIVE suggestion that I am very argumentitive is YOUR normal moronic logic .Note: this post will be removed shortly back where it belongs in the trash
And yes I AM getting annoyed... in case there was any doubt 8)
Just so that people will understand what I am saying here and not consider it a " cryptic message" I want to say to Hobbit....." Watch out for the Ill wind rising".
He knows what that means. But if you don't understand it I will try to explain.
Whenever you have a group of people together like this one in a Forum and the topic is a " sensitive one" as THIS CERTAINLY IS.... A topic which is carefully monitored.... you will have programs which are designed to attack the very cohesiveness of that same Forum. Soon without understanding why... one Forum member is responding heatedly to another. .... the topic strays ( thats the point of it) but its more sinister than simply delaying a fruitful and positive discussion of the topic.... the aim is to split that very membership assunder. Hobbit here is responding to a " mood" that he SHOULD have recognized..... and many of you are doing the same....In your communications you will soon open doors for more discord unless you stop the Effect in its tracks and do not let it get a foothold here.
I watched it happen with countless other Forums.... and even coming close to suggesting that this forum remotely resembles ATS is something else speaking here Hobbit and you know it! Don't let this happen.
If all of you don't understand this then thats fine. This message is for the ones that have watched this and seen it in operation .... the old saying might have been " An ill wind rising"..... But thanks to your strong monitors here this will not happen on the LivingMoon. Trust the process Hobbit.....OK?
All is well. Lets go Forth! Linda
good thing i haven't been involved in the conversation this time, so it can't be blamed on me. :D
hey if'n ya want me to get involved i can. i mean, if you miss my paranoid negative side, i can probably arrange a visit. lol not that hard to do, ya know? which makes me wonder what you folks are up to, anyway. you yell at me for being paranoid and negative and i come back and find all this negative paranoid stuff going on.
linda
there is not " An ill wind rising".
hobbit
no one is a moron.
mikado
quit picking fights with people.
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thank you. :D
Linda, you are right about the concerns, they have all been listed here, but please let the 'control' thing go. Just sit back & let the topic flow, is my advice.
Hobbit, dear freind, please stay, and please refrain from using all caps. This isn't anything like ATS nor will Zorgon let that happen....
As regards the OP, you recently quoted it Linda, did you read my reply?
I said it was amateuristic at best & fear-mongering at worst.
And i still thank Amy for sending me this info, whether it's helpful or not.
Our job is to sort the fact from the fiction, in a clean, logical discussion.
Pegasus is one of the very few places where we can work in peace, let's keep it that way.
Getting back on topic, there are several specific dangers with this tech;
The first is that we may inadvertently create a black hole/dimension shift or even open a wormhole that will allow ;demons' from another dimension to enter our world.
Hogwash, all of it.
Next, we have the scenario from the OP about objects being accelerated into the Earth, either by us, or ET's.
Also hogwash.
Then we have the possibility of certain offshoots like kinetic energy weapons. These are a very real threat, but thankfully no-one knows how to build them (except a few military black ops) and that's something we should worry about!
Then there is the other danger of mind control, taking us maybe in a direction we are not destined for, or as Zorg puts it, 'we can't handle it'
I think our job is still primarily about getting people educated.
Let them know the options, just like with fire.
"Look, you can cook with it, keep warm etc"
"But it is also dangerous, you can kill with it, use it wisely"
Given the choice, most of us have learned to live with fire, both it's benefits & it's dangers.We still use it, even though it regularly gets out of our control, so we need a 'fire brigade' just to deal with it :)
Anyone here who doesn't agree with that?
And so it will be with EG and free energy tech, but first we will have to get to the stage where we need energy merely to survive, when it will be a very scarce commodity, that people will want to know more....
And Linda: No mood swings here, at least ;)
Quote from: undo11 on June 24, 2012, 10:52:35 PM
linda
there is not " An ill wind rising".
hobbit
no one is a moron.
mikado
quit picking fights with people.
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thank you. :D
I have not said anyone is a moron, I did describe mikados logic as moronic.
Moronic logic is child like logic.
He declared He would not debate anything with Me because I was "VERY ARGUMENTITIVE"
It was His logic thus, that because He considered that I was IN HIS OPINION very argumentative that He could not debate .
I found His post declaring that I am "very argumentitive "offensive.
Which though I did not go bleating to the moderators about....I have never complained to them.
I do not consider saying someones logic is moronic to be offensive, merely a descriptive word that describes someones logic as child like.
If I had called anyone MORON, as You have just posted as though I had, it would have been offensive to declare a poster as having the IQ of a child.
I am in no way qualified to declare that any poster on here can be classed as a moron.
Have You any qualifications to allow You to ????
hobbit
Welcome back, Hobbit. :)
Now can i leave you lot alone for a few hours? i need some sleep here...
Quote from: PLAYSWITHMACHINES on June 24, 2012, 11:05:42 PM
Linda, you are right about the concerns, they have all been listed here, but please let the 'control' thing go. Just sit back & let the topic flow, is my advice.
Fine... believe me.... I am happy enough to do that. As I said....Hobbit, dear freind, please stay, and please refrain from using all caps. This isn't anything like ATS nor will Zorgon let that happen....( I believe and trust in that too.)As regards the OP, you recently quoted it Linda, did you read my reply?
I said it was amateuristic at best & fear-mongering at worst. ( and in the middle? ;)) And i still thank Amy for sending me this info, whether it's helpful or not.
Our job is to sort the fact from the fiction, in a clean, logical discussion. And thats a tough job, understood.Pegasus is one of the very few places where we can work in peace, let's keep it that way. Amen to that.Getting back on topic, there are several specific dangers with this tech;
The first is that we may inadvertently create a black hole/dimension shift or even open a wormhole that will allow ;demons' from another dimension to enter our world.
Hogwash, all of it. ( I think that expression is sort of interesting. Has anyone ever tried to wash a Hog? Just wondering. I don't think its as neat at many would want it to be! This is something that years ago John Lear wholeheartedly believed. Perhaps he has changed his mind NOW but then he was entirely convinced. My only point being.... its not always as easy as it seems to discount these worries, Handy word though and I will save it for use later on!)Next, we have the scenario from the OP about objects being accelerated into the Earth, either by us, or ET's.
Also hogwash. ( Oh Goody! Another one!!!)
Then we have the possibility of certain offshoots like kinetic energy weapons. These are a very real threat, but thankfully no-one knows how to build them (except a few military black ops) and that's something we should worry about! ( Oh well, nothing to worry about here folks just the occasional black operation. No Hogs being washed here then!!! <g>)
Then there is the other danger of mind control, taking us maybe in a direction we are not destined for, or as Zorg puts it, 'we can't handle it'
I think our job is still primarily about getting people educated. ( You didn't address this very well PWM... is the "mind control thing another Hogwash Party? Just so that I can put my mind at ease! ;))
Let them know the options, just like with fire.
I agree with you. So far we have two hogwashes, one black probability and another mind control thingy that didn't even register a real comment? OK... I guess I can deal with those options! ;)"
Look, you can cook with it, keep warm etc"
"But it is also dangerous, you can kill with it, use it wisely"
Given the choice, most of us have learned to live with fire, both it's benefits & it's dangers.We still use it, even though it regularly gets out of our control, so we need a 'fire brigade' just to deal with it :)
Anyone here who doesn't agree with that?
Whats to argue with?
And so it will be with EG and free energy tech, but first we will have to get to the stage where we need energy merely to survive, when it will be a very scarce commodity, that people will want to know more....
And Linda: No mood swings here, at least ;)
Well that is a great plus. Happy to hear it. Linda
Quote from: hobbit on June 24, 2012, 11:17:25 PM
I have not said anyone is a moron, I did describe mikados logic as moronic.
Moronic logic is child like logic.
He declared He would not debate anything with Me because I was "VERY ARGUMENTITIVE"
It was His logic thus, that because He considered that I was IN HIS OPINION very argumentative that He could not debate .
I found His post declaring that I am "very argumentitive "offensive.
Which though I did not go bleating to the moderators about....I have never complained to them.
I do not consider saying someones logic is moronic to be offensive, merely a descriptive word that describes someones logic as child like.
If I had called anyone MORON, as You have just posted as though I had, it would have been offensive to declare a poster as having the IQ of a child.
I am in no way qualified to declare that any poster on here can be classed as a moron.
Have You any qualifications to allow You to ????
hobbit
i'll rephrase, no one is acting moronic
and we all love ya hobbit. don't worry.
Quote from: undo11 on June 25, 2012, 12:48:38 AM
i'll rephrase, no one is acting moronic
and we all love ya hobbit. don't worry.
I don't worry, especially about what anyone thinks about Me, it is water off a ducks back.
Attacks against someone like Myself who offers up a vastly different reality to the common accepted and brilliantly indoctrinated status quo, are never ending.
I will though defend Myself with equal force.
I threaten many peoples EGO built little castle walls that they defend to the death.
The most assumed learned and or organised religion types have the most huge EGOs.
They assume they are right, and construct walls of like minded people where they can become kings within this castle.
I am thus viewed as the enemy, as I question and threaten that castle wall, and because they view Me as an enemy, they tell their like minded followers I am the enemy, so then I must be the enemy , therefore they all must attack the threat.
This can become pack like in the attacks, akin to hyenas encircling their prey.
I am very well used to this, and can sense the onset of such.
The best method of defense is attack, so don't think My methods too moronic, as I know exactly what I am doing, with intent.
Basically at the first opportunity bring the situation to the boil, it makes the players show their hand as such, if the castle walls are too solid, and built of firmly like minded people, then if the bringing the situation to the boil doesn't create a breach in the castle wall, then it's best to simply ramble off, in hobbit fashion.
It's no use banging your head against a really solid EGO.
hobbit
hobbit
sorry to burst your balloon on that one, but z is not a religious person although he has knowledge of rosicrucianism and buddhism. he is otherwise, not religious and this is his forum, and he is not attacking you and there are no hyena packs circling you.
Quote from: undo11 on June 24, 2012, 10:40:13 PM
good thing i haven't been involved in the conversation this time, so it can't be blamed on me. :D
hey if'n ya want me to get involved i can. i mean, if you miss my paranoid negative side, i can probably arrange a visit. lol not that hard to do, ya know? which makes me wonder what you folks are up to, anyway. you yell at me for being paranoid and negative and i come back and find all this negative paranoid stuff going on.
Handed Ye a wee bit o' gold!
Linda,
Just pointing out that the term, "hogwash," refers to the nasty, filthy water one ends up with after washing the hog, not the act of washing one. [grin]
Funny. English is funny.
Car Wash is not the water from washing cars.
Rightfully it paints a conflicting picture!
And speaking of definitions.....Amaterasu.... since you have put so much into your efforts with Electrogravitational stuff..... doesn't it concern you that some people keep confusing it with " lifters'????
Linda
And I have missed ya Undo! The place lost some of its flavor.
"hey if'n ya want me to get involved i can. i mean, if you miss my paranoid negative side, i can probably arrange a visit. lol not that hard to do, ya know? which makes me wonder what you folks are up to, anyway. you yell at me for being paranoid and negative and i come back and find all this negative paranoid stuff going on.
Want to ask yourself why that might be?
Maybe when you left something turned its attentions elsewhere? ( For those who believe thats just my imagination.... your points are well taken.... but my opinion still stands)
I am actually relieved that you have " turned over a new leaf!" before all this broke out here.
How are you doing by the way? How is the new leaf attitude treating you?
Linda
Quote from: Linda Brown on June 24, 2012, 02:38:15 AM
OK.... You guys want to know my beef with Mikado straight out? Its very simple actually.
Hobbit says this
"then how stupid could one be to start playing about with the very basic building blocks of LIFE.
hobbit"
And he was VERY accurate. And Mikado mentions in one of his tests that the thing " sang" in a way he had never heard. Do any of you remember that particular post?
Sang!.... and he wonders why I am upset over the fact that he has basically decided long ago to " go it on his own" and that he knows so much more than anyone else around him.
And yet it "sings" and he doesn't know what that means.
I have no words for the contempt I have for that brand of irresponsible scientific exploration. Especially when he ( of all people) knows the potential of this thing.
. So there you have it. No words are just about what its worth..... and I suppose that really its too late now. Mikado is so smug in thinking that no one will come down his lane but its not he alone that will suffer.
And maybe John was right after all. Linda
A few things need to be corrected here for those that have not worked in any technical field related to EM.
"Sang" is a term that refers to how EM sounds under load. It is what I heard as a young boy from old timers and I have referred to it as that ever since. For example, when an electric motor operates, an experienced person can listen to it and tell what the load is, in other words, it will sing to you.
A good deal of equipment will do this. High tension wires will sing and if you know what to listen for you can tell the load and the humidity.
I can see that the use of the term "sang" has been twisted into something esoterical as if the device was communicating. It was not. When High Voltage is applied to a capacitor it will make a noise. An experienced person can tell characteristics about it.
Some old techs will say that the motor, the transformer etc will talk to you, instead of sing, and if you know what your listening to, it can tell you a good deal about how it is operating.
As to Hobbit being accurate about Life and EG, I can't comment for I have no technical data, and no one has presented any such data to date, that any EG device etc will have a link to life itself.
Now of course someone will say that the body has an EM component so therefore it must presumably have an EG component as well. It more than likely does, however, we have been using devices based upon EM for quite a few years and as I sit here typing away this post I am not affected by it.
It has been noted in the quote that I am being irresponsible in my work. Well, not getting into the fact that I have been portrayed as falling flat on my face and quitting and now I am proceeding irresponsibly I don't quite know how to approach this other than they don't know what they are talking about and are only "presuming" any effects.
I find this thread to be giving out nothing more than "chicken little" information and that I find reprehensible and stifling to the human endeavour in discovering mysteries of the universe.
Will this lead to a situation as Madame Curie? I don't know but if it wasn't for her, well, I wouldn't be alive today and writing this. Great discoveries require great tenacity. Theodore Roosevelt was a hero of mine. A gentleman gave me print of a quote of his 21 years ago and I have it on the wall of my lab.
Quote from: T. RooseveltFar better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs even though checkered by failure, than to rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy nor suffer much because they live in the gray twilight that knows neither victory nor defeat.
Sometimes new science will require a leap of faith, it may be off a bottomless precipice or it may be only a 3 foot drop.
Mikado
linda
need a bit more gold to loosen my brain up enough to recall. hehe donations gratefully accepted. clicky the little gold thingy on the side there. (just kidding!)
hmm, in answer to your question, i'm pondering lord of the rings.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B362NK6K01U
in the scene, gandalf is talking to frodo, who is asking about the history of the one ring that gandalf has discovered the identity of. the scene switches to gandalf going to minas tirith, to read the account of isildur, who was the last person to be seen with the one ring.
gandalf sifts thru the pages and finds the account and reads it. it talks about how isildur became obsessed with it. kinda reminds me of your journey to uncover what your dad knew. it's like an obsession. you need to write a good book to exercise all that out of ya, cause i don't like reading yet another account of how everybody is evil and all that, every time something even minor goes wrong.
You could very well be right Undo. You said
"you need to write a good book to exercise all that out of ya, cause i don't like reading yet another account of how everybody is evil and all that, every time something even minor goes wrong.
They say that writing a journal or a diary has elements of that.... that you can write what is really bugging you.... get it out on paper... and then almost magically its almost as if the paper has been given the responsibility of taking care of those thoughts .... and the writer is free of them.
A new book project is like that too.... especially if it is formed as a science fiction.... I can write what I want.... say what I want.... and let history figure out the value of what I have written. They can use it to put certain historical dots together or they can be simply entertained. I won't care because I will have finished what has been expected of me.. At least the story will be out there.
I have heard some writers say that they absolutely had to write a certain story because... Like you said... they were obsessed with it. Have you ever wondered where that sort of obsessive inspiration comes from?
Of course I kind of react to the word " obsessive " in a negative way.... I would rather consider myself dedicated to this cause.... but the word obsessed works fine too. Just a matter of how you want to look at it.
And ultimately this whole situation will resolve itself and it will probably do it through the actions of other people so I have probably done all that was really expected of me so far.... I reacted against the thought that people I knew and loved were being " swept under the rug" and forgotten to history and their lives and accomplishments were being forgotten and or misrepresented. . Some can let that happen and just shrug and say.... "oh well, too bad" .... and some can't. I am one of those who can't.... especially when I realize that there is something really horrendous at stake here....
But I think that many of you here are right. There are some who will see what the technology actually is and what it represents for our future and some who won't....... and there isn't I think a hill of beans more that I can do about it...
So I hope you have been having fun with your new leaf. I am still sort of looking for mine. Linda
Quote from: Linda Brown on June 24, 2012, 12:03:49 AM
His actions surprise me because Mikado I thought was was an engineer well versed in Internet stuff.... and as such I would think that there may be other explanations for someone posting from the same address. Lets see how many of them could there be?
Linda
In the offset chance that anyone is curious, my Degree is in Electronic Engineering and not the Internet. I never claimed to know the Internet that well, in fact, I had to hire someone for dealing with the Hut.
There is a big difference between the Internet and the type of Engineer I am. That is why there are specialists.
Just FYI
Mikado
You can be exceptionally " well versed " in something Mikado without having to have a degree in it..( Just as Dad was)..so I am not sure what you are trying to say here.
But thank you for bringing your Electronic background up..(my Degree is in Electronic Engineering) ..I think most people would like to hear what your actual experience in this field is.... since I am sure that you have been presented and accepted as a recognized expert in the technology of Townsend Brown. Linda
Quote from: Linda Brown on June 25, 2012, 05:43:22 AM
You can be exceptionally " well versed " in something Mikado without having to have a degree in it..( Just as Dad was)..so I am not sure what you are trying to say here.
But thank you for bringing you Electronic background up..(my Degree is in Electronic Engineering) ..I think most people would like to hear what your actual experience in this field is.... since I am sure that you have been presented and accepted as a recognized expert in the technology of Townsend Brown. Linda
Yeah, right. I suppose you would like me to post my CV?
Not going to happen, you have done enough damage to my family and I by posting personal info on your site.
I will still contain my anonymity and will be very careful who I trust in the future for the protection of my family.
Thank God the custom is for daughters to change their last name when they marry.
Just a bit that I bit at, sorry SO
Mikado
I am not interested in you posting your personal information Mikado but I do think that the people here who are accepting you ..... as you just said.... with a degree in Electronics to at least give us a little more information in that direction. They are trusting in your words here.... and I don't see why you couldn't oblige them . Its a simple request.
How much actual schooling have you had in the field that you profess to know so well?
Linda
Quote from: Linda Brown on June 25, 2012, 06:02:35 AM
I am not interested in you posting your personal information Mikado but I do think that the people here who are accepting you ..... as you just said.... with a degree in Electronics to at least give us a little more information in that direction. They are trusting in your words here.... and I don't see why you couldn't oblige them . Its a simple request.
How much actual schooling have you had in the field that you profess to know so well?
Linda
More than your Father.
Mikado
My Dad never got a Doctorate or any degree. Every one here knows that. Why are you being so evasive? Linda
Quote from: Linda Brown on June 25, 2012, 06:13:57 AM
My Dad never got a Doctorate or any degree. Every one here knows that. Why are you being so evasive? Linda
So that everyone will know, this is how this will work out.
I will say what I have from where, then some individual will want to track me down.
I do not wish a repeat of what you did to my parents or having individuals showing up at the farm and further, this is not the forum to start this in.
I want my anonymity and if you can't understand that then too bad but others here do understand the concept.
This ends now. If you don't wish to believe me, no sweat off my back but I am sure that those that are educated will be able to tell from my writing that I do have a good understanding and education which is a bit better than your own.
Mikado
Quote from: Linda Brown on June 25, 2012, 02:47:22 AM
Funny. English is funny.
Car Wash is not the water from washing cars.
Rightfully it paints a conflicting picture!
And speaking of definitions.....Amaterasu.... since you have put so much into your efforts with Electrogravitational stuff..... doesn't it concern you that some people keep confusing it with " lifters'????
Linda
I do believe there is a component - and likely the larger of the components - that is electrogravitic in lifters. The air is serving as the dielectric... And there is some small assist through the "ion wind." At least that's how I understand it. [smile]
But of course, to get serious lift, a non-linear, high K dielectric would be optimal for EG experimentation. And, of course, VERY high voltage.
Quote from: Amaterasu on June 25, 2012, 06:23:50 AM
And, of course, VERY high voltage.
What do you base that statement upon?
Mikado
The book, Secrets of Antigravity Propulsion, by Dr. Pail A. LaViolette.
As for Your CV, I would not like to know details, like, "Got degree from XYZ University, worked as [whatever] at LMQ company..."
I would like to have something like, "Got Degree (specify) at an institution specializing in [whatever], worked as a [whatever] for 5 years, worked as a [whatever] for two years, ect.
As for Me, I have no degree, but have tested as "genius" in spatial perception, with other areas all in the 98th or 99th percentile, worked in banking for 14 years, worked in graphics for 15 years, and have studied on My own, chaos theory, fractals, emergence, social engineering, psychology, with interest in the tipping point. I also have been a writer all My life, and have published articles, manuals, ads, short stories, a novella and a book.
Just so You don't think I am asking of You something I would not offer M'self. [grin]
*grabs the popcorn* (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-basic/popcorn.gif) (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)
Yous cracks Me up, Beth! LOLOL!
Quote from: undo11 on June 25, 2012, 06:54:47 AM
*grabs the popcorn* (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-basic/popcorn.gif) (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)
The TENSION mounts, in the torsion field, the popcorn crackles.
You are a gem Undo.
hobbit
Quote from: undo11 on June 25, 2012, 01:35:00 AM
hobbit
sorry to burst your balloon on that one, but z is not a religious person although he has knowledge of rosicrucianism and buddhism. he is otherwise, not religious and this is his forum, and he is not attacking you and there are no hyena packs circling you.
It would be interesting to discuss PRESSURE, in how a balloon operates.
I never said Z was religious.
I never said Z was attacking Me.
He is not alone knowing a great deal about such as the rosicrucians, but I won't carp on about them.
( that was a joke about a type of fish called crucians that are carp)
The hyenas encircling was how like minded( whatever like) group together to bolster that thinking, and then act in a pack manner to deal with any threat to that thinking.
hobbit
Quote from: Mikado on June 25, 2012, 05:54:44 AM
I suppose you would like me to post my CV?
That is neither wise nor required.
There was one thing that ATS did that was used to solve such an issue WHEN THE NEED OF PROOF BECAME NECESSARY
The person making the claim simply vetted himself/herself to the owners, who then vouched for their credentials
However we are not at a point where such a step is required :D
If you were asking for money to help build a device I might want proof of credentials... other wise it is a moot point.
But on the internet if you state you have a degree, people will always call you on it
Writers write and talk, Engineers build... So far besides a few lifters and implied black ops projects all we have is talk. Perhaps when we can see the devices being built we night get somewhere. I don't have another hundred years to wait :P
As I hear it this debate between yours and Linda's camp has been running for nigh on 6 years.
And what is there to show for all that time and frustration?
Just asking ;)
A Reason I Received Why Electrogravitics is "Dangerous"
The biggest "Danger" I see in all this is APATHY...
Constant debate and bickering with no progress to a solution will guarantee that "We the people.." will lose interest very quickly and will just say... "EG? Oh that... nothing to see there... hey did you hear the latest about Justin Bieber?"
APATHY
Apathy: (also called impassivity or perfunctoriness) is a state of indifference, or the suppression of emotions such as concern, excitement, motivation and passion.
"Build it and they will come!" an old wise adage
Can any one of you build me a simple lifter with an on board power supply that doesn't need wires?
I think I need to get the rust off my armor and sharpen some swords... useful skills to have in case the SHTF on Dec 21, 2012 :P We even have our own full size loom. We like to survive in comfort :D
I always have expected that when the proper questions are UNDERSTOOD AND ASKED then doors will open to us that we never EVER realized were closed.
I believe that's the situation that is happening here.
You keep asking where the unit is that has no wires.... I expect that you might ask some Air Force or particular Navy project. I sure don't have one in my backyard and I doubt that I would get very far building it. I already know that and I think that you do too. So theres one answer I think that we might agree on?
So aren't we wasting time even talking about it?
No..... because I expect this Forum has a teaching agenda? Am I wrong? I have always hoped that if we all keep uncovering additional information that SOMEDAY someone out there will finally put all of the dots together and get the complete view that we now lack. You have worried about there being too much information. Apparently that hasn't been the case because no one has stood up yet and yelled BINGO ( though I think many are wonderfully close!)
But why do you want to build that lifter? We are talking about Electrogravitics here. And STILL no one understands that it is NOT entirely illustrated when someone trots a "lifter" out.....
but to keep from talking about the real research toward the Biefeld-Brown Effect others will stampede you in that direction. Or perhaps off in a direction that is sure to take the focus away from the proper questions being developed!
Again Zorgon... if WE want the correct answer to something.... then WE ( not pointing you out individually but speaking as you have here... of the masses...unless you meant it as a personal request...)
Then WE need to identify the question that will lead to the proper answer and then ASK it. Build the proper ballfield and they will show up! Don't build a polo field and then sit around in bewilderment and anger because no ballplayers have walked out of the cornfield!
My personal passionate plea. Linda
Im getting out the chain mail I wore in 1982, Z, its calling me!
What I always see when I think of the word apathy, is how close it is to Pathetic, and thats what describes those who mire themselves in pointless efforts, while ignoring the treasures around them.
I have no use for apathy, and as such no use for pathetic people as well, they just get ya killed when as you say, the S hits the F!
My Conan broadsword is somewhere in this mess...argh! Attics are hot!:)
I really think the key to a lifter that flies on it's own lies in thse tiny power supplies...
(http://www.tomtilley.net/projects/bugzapper/images/zappers.jpg)
A bit of time on the bench, and some good tiny lithium batteries, and why not?
Plus, it would be the first flying mosquito zapper, and could drone about the backyard killing flies and skeeters with impunity!
Hey, doesnt the military have the patent on that? :o :o :o :o
Anyone have a few, they are willing to wrest from the hands of the wife?
Ill be looking for that photo of you in your steel, Zorgon, I really miss the renaissance festival's old days, when we could just walk in with full chain mail and real weapons!
And of course, weave us all some Pegasus breastplate covers, so those Mayan gods will know who they are dealing with LOL!
Watchin Orion!
Cheers!
Littleenki
Quote from: Amaterasu on June 25, 2012, 06:51:22 AM
The book, Secrets of Antigravity Propulsion, by Dr. Pail A. LaViolette.
As for Your CV, I would not like to know details, like, "Got degree from XYZ University, worked as [whatever] at LMQ company..."
I would like to have something like, "Got Degree (specify) at an institution specializing in [whatever], worked as a [whatever] for 5 years, worked as a [whatever] for two years, ect.
As for Me, I have no degree, but have tested as "genius" in spatial perception, with other areas all in the 98th or 99th percentile, worked in banking for 14 years, worked in graphics for 15 years, and have studied on My own, chaos theory, fractals, emergence, social engineering, psychology, with interest in the tipping point. I also have been a writer all My life, and have published articles, manuals, ads, short stories, a novella and a book.
Just so You don't think I am asking of You something I would not offer M'self. [grin]
Fair enough,
I would like to have something like, "Got Degree (Electronics Engineering) at an institution specializing in [Electronics technology], worked as a [self employed shop owner from 1972 till 1980] for 5 (years, worked as a [whatever] for two years, ect.
In 1980 I worked for a company that built Lasers. I was educated in small and medium frame ion lasers, both scientific and medical, CO2 medical lasers and photocoagulators. (I was honor graduate in all three classes)
In 1981, I accepted a position to teach Electronics which I did for 8 1/2 years where I developed a lesson plan teaching the 8080 processor in 1985. During that time I received my VOC ED I certificate and was working on a BA in education, I never finished the BA in education.
Taking advantage of being part of the faculty, they offered night classe where I took machine shop (beginners and advanced) and welding ( stick, MIG and TIG which was called Heliarc welding back then).
As to military experience, I was in the US Army for 18 months. I was to go to Fort Rucker for flight school but washed out due to a kidney infection and I missed my seat at the school which they then put me in the Avionics program at the SouthEastern Signal School at Fort Gordon. I graduated there as Honor Graduate and the rank of E4.
In 1997 into '98 I took law classes at a community college for Paralegal.
I also held a license for Rail inspection for all Classes of Railroads.
I am also a published writer. I had two short stories published in the mid 70's, Lesson plans for a company called NIDA in the 80's and an article in a National Model Railroad magazine in 2005.
Is that enough? I can keep going.
And since you wanted to mention your IQ, I will give mine - 148. That number and $1.36 gets you a cup of coffee, 12 oz, at the local WAWA.
Mikado
Thank You, Mikado. Now I have a better idea of Your experience. Sounds like You could build something quite handily. [smile]
(Since I gave no numbers and was speaking of the General Aptitude Test Battery (GAT-B) test, not an IQ test, per se - note I placed "genius" in quotes - I will explain that on a scale, where 100 is "average" and 130 is the 99th percentile, in spatial perception, I scored 159.)
So.... we have AT LEAST two genius level people able to talk about " Why Electrovitics is Dangerous"
We ought to be able to have some quality conversations on the table.
Linda
Genius.
IQ.
Both are IMHO central to the question of electrogravitics been dangerous.
Dangerous to who ?
Dangerous to humans, or to the control held over humans?
The ability to store and retrieve information is central to so called IQ.
The question arises then about what is stored in the here and now moments memory of humans?
I consider the mass of that information is indoctrinated, in a repeat fashion where those able to store and retrieve this are classed as high IQ.
Just suppose that a bulk of the downloaded information is false relative to universe.
And just suppose that electrogravitics opens a portal, not to some little green men, but to information , universal information....such as Tesla could tap into?
Then think how easily the whole human population can be controlled when they are convinced that the BELIEF they have in the information they are downloaded is correct, but it is not, and it limits to what can be interacted via the status quo presently.
Then further consider what efforts may be undertaken by whoever/whatever presently controls al;l information to maintain the status quo.
I consider We are all capable of connecting to that universal library of information...akashic records?????
hobbit
Hobbit.
You open so many possibilities that my head hurts.
Linda
Quote from: Amaterasu on June 25, 2012, 05:26:25 PM
Thank You, Mikado. Now I have a better idea of Your experience. Sounds like You could build something quite handily. [smile]
(Since I gave no numbers and was speaking of the General Aptitude Test Battery (GAT-B) test, not an IQ test, per se - note I placed "genius" in quotes - I will explain that on a scale, where 100 is "average" and 130 is the 99th percentile, in spatial perception, I scored 159.)
I wouldn't be so quick to say quite handily. I, like a few others here, have a curiosity that needs to be satisfied, like taking a long cool drink of water when really, really thirsty.
Let't hope that there are more thirsty people than not.
Mikado
Right you are Hobbit, and when we realize there is a metaphysical aspect to our universe and its mysteries, like EG, and such, we will make strides unseen.
Akashic record? You bet your sweet bippy!
Le
Quote from: Mikado on June 25, 2012, 06:39:50 PM
I wouldn't be so quick to say quite handily. I, like a few others here, have a curiosity that needs to be satisfied, like taking a long cool drink of water when really, really thirsty.
Let't hope that there are more thirsty people than not.
Mikado
Theres a saying,
Curiosity killed the cat.
It warns of the dangers of experimentation without knowing the consequences.
When that curiosity becomes ...curiouser and curiouser, then it's time for tea.
https://www.cs.indiana.edu/metastuff/wonder/ch7.html
hobbit
Time for Tea. Yes Indeed Hobbit.
I have already had a dream that a Mr. Lionell has joined a " tea party/ rosegarden luncheon" With him he brings a messengers pouch that is fairly full. He sets it beside his seat.... others are at the teaparty and one of them now I know is my mother. The silver haired lady makes a comment about her making some mistakes in some sort of appointment and thats why this Mr. Lionell has been delayed.... and I am not sure what that means but I am open to the possibility Mikado that you are that man and this group is the " Rosegarden teaparty. But the interesting thing is...
Are you just here to glean information from US? or are you prepared and able to share some of the information that you came to the teaparty with.
Its just a dream.
Pay no attention if it doesn't mean something to you but you have seemed extraordinarily interested in being here for some reason..... strange things happened which seemed to keep you off.... you blamed Zorgon.... remember.... you found out later it was a mistake and thats why you had the delay.
So I ask again. Are you here to contribute or just use this place as a lightning rod for your so called " due-diligence campaign?
Linda
Seeing as the 'ttb notebook' thread has temporarily been blocked (due to pointless arguments) i missed a chance for a reply.
So if i may, i would like to discuss some more your difference of opinion with Raymond about the math, namely the use of datasets to arrive at a formula. Of course you can do it without datasets, like D.A. I'm sure you are aware of that....
I hope we are still able to have some technical discussions here, i am IN NO WAY interested in character referennces, talk of other forums, or other social issues, i want to talk engineering.....
I do believe, hobbity, that indeed, EG is dangerous to the control We are kept in.
I envision - nay, LIVE IN - a time when that control is gone and We, Humanity, are free.
Quote from: PLAYSWITHMACHINES on June 25, 2012, 09:26:25 PM
Seeing as the 'ttb notebook' thread has temporarily been blocked (due to pointless arguments) i missed a chance for a reply.
So if i may, i would like to discuss some more your difference of opinion with Raymond about the math, namely the use of datasets to arrive at a formula. Of course you can do it without datasets, like D.A. I'm sure you are aware of that....
I hope we are still able to have some technical discussions here, i am IN NO WAY interested in character referennces, talk of other forums, or other social issues, i want to talk engineering.....
I am not sure but are you addressing my opinion on this? I wouldn't want to just assume.
Mikado
Quote from: hobbit on June 25, 2012, 06:59:08 PM
Theres a saying,
Curiosity killed the cat.
It warns of the dangers of experimentation without knowing the consequences.
Amaterasu is wanting the world to have free energy robots doing the work and no money To do that according to her concept we need the info out there
Those that supposedly have that info talk in riddles and play games so NO ONE understands what is going on
There are those on here who say enough talk, let's build SOMETHING
Bob Lazar and John Lear were the type who like to blow things up to see what would happen, kinda like this
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/47john_lear/04images/Bob_Lazar/ammoniumnitratepage3aj0.jpg)
"This is the 3000 pouinds of ammonium nitrate going up :" - John LeatrSo many of us here are the type that don't mind the risks :D
LindaAnd I am supposed to be impressed by this logic? :o
"Logic is little tweeting bird chirping in meadow. Logic is wreath of pretty flowers that smell bad." - Spock
So many of us here are the type that don't mind the risks
Yes. I have been dealing with those types. Can't say I am too impressed....because it is normally ego driven with no consideration for the others that their actions will affect.
Just ask someone like Iron Pants LeMay in his prime and you will get an earful of that.... he himself admitted that if we had lost the war he would have been charged with being one of the major war criminals of the war.
He didn't mind the risks. He wasn't the one paying the price.
Linda
There is a point to caution, but there comes a time for action before one reaches stagnation.
If certain people throughout history did not take risks we would not have much of what we have accomplished.
I see people all the time blaming the Aliens, the PTB, the Illuminati, the Masons, whoever or what ever the flavor of the day is. Yet at the same time few of those who blame others will have the guts to stand up and take the risks for the good of the many.
But no worry... the Government is making sure that American kids of the future will not have chemistry sets to blow things up in the garage, or have Bunsen burners in chemistry labs that precious little junior might burn himself on, and its illegal in many states already to own chemistry equipment. My assay lab would be illegal in several states today because I am obviously going to make meth.
The ATF is even telling us how much gunpowder we are allowed to use in our cannons for demo shots (that have no cannonball just flash and bang)\ - not that we always listen :P )
But you can bet those third world counties are still teaching their kids how to make bombs
Today you can even get arested for sending a sulfur mineral specimen across certain state lines because sulfur can be used for illegal fireworks
Hallow are the Ori... I am glad I will soon be moving on to the next plane :P
Don't be in a big rush to be on the next plane Zorgon. You are needed and appreciated too much here.
You are right of course..... you can't sit in a rocking chair and wonder.....there comes a time when all the careful considerations are done.... and action is the only thing then that is going to count.
Lets hope that we are reaching the tipping point on that! Linda
Quote from: Linda Brown on June 26, 2012, 02:51:07 AM
Just ask someone like Iron Pants LeMay in his prime and you will get an earful of that.... he himself admitted that if we had lost the war he would have been charged with being one of the major war criminals of the war.
He didn't mind the risks. He wasn't the one paying the price.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5j2F4VcBmeo
Oh wait you can't watch videos :P
Quote from: Linda Brown on June 26, 2012, 03:16:11 AM
Don't be in a big rush to be on the next plane Zorgon.
No rush on my part but as I said time is shrinking. It may approach zero point in my lifetime ;)
FIRE IN THE HOLE
(http://landoflegendslv.com/40pastmembers/roguescove/images/Events/Colorado2002/Cannon/C000.jpg)
I do believe we got a warning a few times from the ATF marshall for too much BANG
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Bluebird/pickinonme.gif)
Ya cant have too much BANG, Zorgon, buy that ATF guy a cup of coffee, and a donut and make a friend for life!
I dont see you as sitting in that rocking chair just yet, and your time theory has kept my wheels churning for a day and a half now!
And then Amy mentioned NZ having appeared to move over the years, and I thought WTF?
Is transmutation taking place all around us, and are we experiencing this time dilation or whatever it would be called as a result of our technology messing with it?
Could our high voltage devices and machines actually be causing a continuance of the PE as well?
If we fire up larger "transdimensional lifters" will we be shepherding in more dimensional rifts, causing the Earth's so called "time" to be even more dilated? Or compressed?
Maybe this is the whole core theory and gist to the name of this very thread.....if we keep up the experimentation and building of these cute little lifters and their huge counterparts like whatever the military might have, are we effectively like the cat that poops where it eats?
I wonder if there is a world full of time portals or subdimensions occuring right under our noses, and we are the ones who, throughout our search for what this BB Effect really is and EG really does, are opening these dangerous rifts.
Again, whats that in the field? A tractor...nope...it's a stargate with a tractor in it! :o
And where did my sunglasses go? 8)
Littleenki
QuoteThere is a point to caution, but there comes a time for action before one reaches stagnation.
If certain people throughout history did not take risks we would not have much of what we have accomplished.
I see people all the time blaming the Aliens, the PTB, the Illuminati, the Masons, whoever or what ever the flavor of the day is. Yet at the same time few of those who blame others will have the guts to stand up and take the risks for the good of the many.
Yes, Ron, absolutely. I see the problems a bit more clearly now. Amy is looking too far into the future. Sorry my dear, but it's true, you are seeing way ahead of actual events, or events that will unfold soon.
You can't help it, and i want you to stay that way, ok? You are one of the rare people who sees it
as it should be and some may call it wishful thinking, but it is the right way of thinking.
Of course, there will be a transition period, and ET may or may not turn up to help us at this time.Let's just say i for one won't be counting on it.
I mean, if we can't even get off this mudball without first destroying it or ourselves, or both, we deserve no help at all.
There will be hardship, strife etc, and of course natural disasters, which seem to be more frequent these days?
So let's prepare for the worst, hope for the best, and solve some of the mysteries present on thelivingmoon.
We can, we have the info, the expertise, the intelligence.
Let's just do it ;)
And please don't use BANG and zero-point in the same sentence, i still get a little uncomfortable from my 3rd ZPE experiment...LOL
Dave:
I understand what you are saying, re; lifters, but do you remember my comment about time forwarding electrons?
If you witness this effect, then you are reaching dangerous/very interesting levels, IMO
Yes, i still think we will be taking risks with this tech, and therefore all the greater need for communication, & being honest, and i think the risk is justified, to a certain extent.
I am not happy when they fire up the LHC when they don't really understand it. But i have also stated that anyone working on this is fully aware of the risks. It's a tough call to make sometimes......
See ya all later, i have coils to wind.....
PWM...
You said "Of course, there will be a transition period, and ET may or may not turn up to help us at this time.Let's just say i for one won't be counting on it.
Orrrrr..... ET is here.... has been here for a long time.
Thats what John believes apparently. It could very well be that he is right.... and maybe was even right when he said that it was because of the work of Townsend Brown that they are here...... I know that he does not remember saying that... that point is relatively moot.... other people have said that too..... sooo
And I notice that you are beginning to explore the idea of the FTM....with Mikado.... which I am sure might turn into an interesting discussion..... and I am sure that he is JUST as interested in hearing from you.
You don't think that he has hung on for all of these years without being as serious as I am about it .... right.?... so this is no school yard competition.... and maybe it might take awhile for others to grasp the seriousness of it.
My point is..... If a portal was opened by scientists using my Dads technology..... when do you think that happened? Or maybe even more important to ask..... When do you think it WILL happen. Because you see..... with time travel.... once that all starts. Nothing is the reality that you believed before.
Ask your prospective associate in all of this (if you get the chance )if he believes that the FTM has been built yet. Not sure what he will tell you but I think that he will probably say "NO."..... and I would too.
What does that mean LUKE?
Thats an awfully big ball to be up in the air at the moment..... wouldn't you say?
Linda
I see what youre saying, Luke as the requirement of super hv keeps me out of the ballpark!
I do think time forwarding electrons is a good theory, or even fact, and do you think electrons are more than meets the eye, like I do?
And Russell may have been on to something years ago when he proposed there are no negative particles, just discharging and charging ones, so superluminal speed would be a profound possibility for any device using milions of volts, as the electrons couldnt get back fast enough to their deparure point, and became backed up, dilating the perceived time field.
Lots to think about, and maybe I need a climb up that hill you conquered!
With a sherpa, of course!
Cheers!
Le
Linda, I believe it is a certainty that off-worlders are here, have been for some time; Ingo Swann's account should be enough to at least make most folk wonder... but then again, the majority would have trouble believing it if they had a craft land in their yard unless it ate their cat and raided the refrigerator...
seeker
Quote from: the seeker on June 27, 2012, 02:41:15 AM
Linda, I believe it is a certainty that off-worlders are here, have been for some time; Ingo Swann's account should be enough to at least make most folk wonder... but then again, the majority would have trouble believing it if they had a craft land in their yard unless it ate their cat and raided the refrigerator...
seeker
Even then they would demand some ID! ;D
Quote from: the seeker on June 27, 2012, 02:41:15 AM
Linda, I believe it is a certainty that off-worlders are here, have been for some time; Ingo Swann's account should be enough to at least make most folk wonder... but then again, the majority would have trouble believing it if they had a craft land in their yard unless it ate their cat and raided the refrigerator...seeker
Yes, I agree with you. So if we are following the line that has been down for a long time then John Lear was right when he said that they were here.... and at one time he thought that they were here because of my Dad ( whether he remembers or not, people will have to decide )..... others have consistantly tried to link my Dad to that event from William Moore in the Philadelphia Experiment .... to John and I believe that there were other accounts too . I haven't bothered to keep up with them. The idea that might have happened through the mistake that my Dad may have made..... or men around him .... using his technology may have made...that still is not something that I can bear..
.... If DAD KNEW that was going to happen what could he do to stop it?
I have been thinking about that for a long long time. And I finally have figured out what Dad planned . Its the only way that he could change the future that was at one time set by that first encounter. That Mistake has to be corrected. The Time kaliedescope has to be nudged.... probably more than once.... Definitely a brewthat has been cooking for years....
But Like somebody else said. Its not soup yet. Linda
Quote from: PLAYSWITHMACHINES on June 26, 2012, 11:59:56 PM
Yes, Ron, absolutely. I see the problems a bit more clearly now. Amy is looking too far into the future. Sorry my dear, but it's true, you are seeing way ahead of actual events, or events that will unfold soon.
You can't help it, and i want you to stay that way, ok? You are one of the rare people who sees it as it should be and some may call it wishful thinking, but it is the right way of thinking.
Of course, there will be a transition period, and ET may or may not turn up to help us at this time.Let's just say i for one won't be counting on it.
I mean, if we can't even get off this mudball without first destroying it or ourselves, or both, we deserve no help at all.
Not as far in the future as You might think. Once FE is released to ALL, I give it 5-10 years for money to be a thing of the past. Of course... If it takes 500 years to be released... (NOT!)
And the reason We are destroying this "mudball" has EVERYTHING to do with... Yep. MONEY. If We can eliminate the NEED for it, We will be motivated to go for BEST solutions and not the most profitable or cheapest (like paying fines over cleaning up pollution...). If We govern stigmergicly, as opposed to having a controlMIND...er...governMENT, We will have no one set of People "in charge."
Seriously, You may think it will be a long time, but consider: if awareness of My essay reaches the tipping point, We will be motivated to spend MONEY to make it happen. After all, the MONEY spent will be moot in the end. And We will, most of Us, put Out efforts conjoined into making it so. And what keeps projects and such from leaping forth at breakneck speed now? MONEY.
IF We can get this to the tipping point.
Quote from: Linda Brown on June 26, 2012, 02:51:07 AM
So many of us here are the type that don't mind the risks
Yes. I have been dealing with those types. Can't say I am too impressed....because it is normally ego driven with no consideration for the others that their actions will affect.
Rubbish. They are the ones with the guts to make the big decisions. This is in contrast to the ones who cling to the present state of affairs out of fear.
Quote from: Linda Brown on June 26, 2012, 02:51:07 AM
He didn't mind the risks. He wasn't the one paying the price.
A novel propulsion system with the potential to free the masses from energy dependence, will have its winners and losers. The economy will SHRINK! I will write more on this later but it will be bad for the very wealthy. Tough luck! The many matter more.
You cannot have massive change without someone paying the price. Only the greater good is what matters.
Yes, to make it as painless as possible is a noble aim. However, that should never be at the expense of a brighter future for the majority. AND I DO NOT JUST MEAN THE MAJORITY OF BRITISH, US, CANADIAN CITIZENS. The English speaking western democracies are not the only consideration which is why sometimes defending the national interest is in conflict with progress.
Now I know that might conflict with a few oaths or how so many of you think. Tough!
Said with all respect.... but some of us have seen this sentiment before and it did not end well for a great number of people!
:You cannot have massive change without someone paying the price. Only the greater good is what matters.
Rubbish squared!
The greater good maybe?..... handing over the future safety of the entire planet to a bunch of scientific yahoos that don't even understand what they are dealing with is not looking out for the greater good, It is shallow and egotistical. Some would throw the switch...... NOMATTER WHAT.....just to prove to themselves that they could do it.
I KNOW Pimander that we are actually ageeing with each other here. I just would rather err on the side of caution than see us get into a situation that we did not see coming, Linda
Quote from: Linda Brown on June 27, 2012, 09:50:30 AM
The greater good maybe?..... handing over the future safety of the entire planet to a bunch of scientific yahoos that don't even understand what they are dealing with is not looking out for the greater good, It is shallow and egotistical. Some would throw the switch...... NOMATTER WHAT.....just to prove to themselves that they could do it.
Scientists will not be the ones making the decisions. They will be the ones trying (and possibly in a few cases capable of being able) to understand what we are dealing with.
Yes some are idiots (RE: switch throwers), hence the need for some caution. However, I firmly believe that private and national interest have reigned for too long.
Edward Leedskalnin had a secret that could have benefited the whole world
He took it to his grave, albeit left us cryptic clues that no ones has yet replicated
I see no gain for the good of the many
Quote from: Pimander on June 27, 2012, 09:27:38 AM
Rubbish. They are the ones with the guts to make the big decisions. This is in contrast to the ones who cling to the present state of affairs out of fear.
A novel propulsion system with the potential to free the masses from energy dependence, will have its winners and losers. The economy will SHRINK! I will write more on this later but it will be bad for the very wealthy. Tough luck! The many matter more.
You cannot have massive change without someone paying the price. Only the greater good is what matters.
Yes, to make it as painless as possible is a noble aim. However, that should never be at the expense of a brighter future for the majority. AND I DO NOT JUST MEAN THE MAJORITY OF BRITISH, US, CANADIAN CITIZENS. The English speaking western democracies are not the only consideration which is why sometimes defending the national interest is in conflict with progress.
Now I know that might conflict with a few oaths or how so many of you think. Tough!
Oaths, secrets, pensions, compartmentalisation....all great ways to maintain the status quo.
BUT, perhaps not merely for the greed of a few???
We have come from a horse and cart to jet planes rather quickly???
To take the next step may need restrainst, a pull back on the harness as such.
Nothing is free, so this free energy thinking is deluded, especially if that energy is suddenly been taken from others that live by that supply???
We take as though We are the rightfull top of the pile as such, what happens if We suddenly realise We are well down the pecking order, such as a spring lamb is to ourselves presently.
We TAKE the lamb and kill it, skin it, disect it, carve it up and heat it up, then devour it....adding some mint sauce from a mint plant that we have also murdered.
If You suddenly jumped into a sea full of starving sharks, it may be well advised to be able to swim faster than they can first???
Otherwise they will treat You as the lamb, perhaps adding a lttle bit of seaweed to taste better?
hobbit
Thankyou Hobbit for this
"Nothing is free, so this free energy thinking is deluded, especially if that energy is suddenly been taken from others that live by that supply???
Do people honestly think that dipping into another dimension could be as simple as siphoning fuel from this magic tank.... we dont have it here on this side so we will just.... draw it from the other.
Think just one moment how we might react if energy draws started happening all over our planet! We probably have had that happen to us but we just didn't recognize it much less do anything about it....
But what it the guy on the otherside objected and had the wherewithall to do something about it.
Interesting scenario huh?
I know they wouldn't be like this but my mind wants to show what one hundred tornados would look like out in the Kansas countryside. Linda
It doesn't have to be free to be useful or more efficient.
Energy is already drawn from this side.
Quote from: zorgon on June 27, 2012, 10:15:17 AM
Edward Leedskalnin had a secret that could have benefited the whole world
He took it to his grave, albeit left us cryptic clues that no ones has yet replicated
I see no gain for the good of the many
Indeed, Zorgon, and so many seem to idolize Ed, but dont realize he might have been one of our last hopes for furthering that field of science. Even if his morals and ethics told him he should "take it to the grave" it should have been his duty to write it down somehwere, eh?
Maybe he has written it down, as the pre Egyptians did,(Hermetically) and maybe we need to step back and look at coral castle for what it is other than a tourist attraction.
I think the clues are there for the right mind, and he probably thought it would take fifty or so years for us to figure it out.
He also may have felt we werent ready for it back when he built it, though, so hence the cryptic nature of it. ???
Im going there in August, so Ill take some pics if I find anything odd which isnt in the usual books and videos. Who knows, maybe he laid it out for someone like me to find?
Nah, Im just a commoner with a camera! :P
Littleenki
Energy is already drawn from this side.Did you mean this the way that I meant it? I was talking about draws from another dimension.
???
Linda
Quote from: zorgon on June 27, 2012, 10:15:17 AM
Edward Leedskalnin had a secret that could have benefited the whole world
He took it to his grave, albeit left us cryptic clues that no ones has yet replicated
I see no gain for the good of the many
You might want to take a look at 7RedOrbs' work... I think He has cracked the code.
Quote from: Linda Brown on June 27, 2012, 02:42:19 PM
Energy is already drawn from this side.Did you mean this the way that I meant it? I was talking about draws from another dimension.
???
Yes from another dimension. I have no proof of this, just some experiences and hunches....
Quote from: Pimander on June 27, 2012, 04:36:11 PM
Yes from another dimension. I have no proof of this, just some experiences and hunches....
When things get quiet around here ( yeah lets not hold our breaths! I would love to start a thread where we could talk about these observations. maybe others have seen similar? ( I sounded like Hobbit just then!!!)
Linda
There is plenty of "parapsychology" and "paranormal" investigations relevant when we get time.
I thin there is some interesting material in some of Dion Fortunes novels.
I said i would be working, but i end up here,
Hi Dave;
QuoteI do think time forwarding electrons is a good theory, or even fact, and do you think electrons are more than meets the eye, like I do?
I haven't yet witnessed it myself, but i will make careful observations as we move into the HV range, this is a distinct possibility & is linked to time travel. But transporting electrons is one thing, matter is another....
I do not believe Mikado knows any more on that subject as the rest of us, hopefully he will be able to explain further if we see him again....
Quoteand do you think electrons are more than meets the eye, like I do?
And Russell may have been on to something years ago when he proposed there are no negative particles, just discharging and charging ones, so superluminal speed would be a profound possibility for any device using milions of volts, as the electrons couldnt get back fast enough to their deparure point, and became backed up, dilating the perceived time field.
I believe it is something like that, yes.
You see, charge has not yet been defined officially, except as being relative to the surface area of an electron, and i think that don't mean squat (to use a scientific term).
Electrons simply carry the charge, they are not the nature of charge itself.
I tend to treat charge as a
separate dimension, as dictated by D.A. and it works out fine....
QuoteLots to think about, and maybe I need a climb up that hill you conquered!
With a sherpa, of course!
Hell, no: just a good pub at the end of it with steak & ale pie, and good local beer/whiskey to finish off! :) But the view was amazing....not really.....
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=1192.0;attach=1415;image)
Amy;
Yes, i do hear you,
QuoteIF We can get this to the tipping point.
THATS the question. I hope we will live to see it happen, i know in my heart that if we fail, there will be 100's of years of misery, simply because people never knew!
That thought infuriates me as well, and i will do my utmost to see it doesn't happen, by my reckoning, i have less than 25 years to live, so it had better happen soon.
Please don't get me wrong, you have been my guide, and will continue to be so.
Oh my, i read further...
Pimander;
I totally agree with you, just as i agree with Linda.
Hobbit:
You have just quoted from 'the left hand of the electron' by Asimov, maybe you've never heard of it, but you got to the point nonetheless!
Good for you.
QuoteNothing is free, so this free energy thinking is deluded, especially if that energy is suddenly been taken from others that live by that supply???
We take as though We are the rightfull top of the pile as such, what happens if We suddenly realise We are well down the pecking order, such as a spring lamb is to ourselves presently.
We TAKE the lamb and kill it, skin it, disect it, carve it up and heat it up, then devour it....adding some mint sauce from a mint plant that we have also murdered.
Pimander; i read what you're saying, but IMO the energy is the same in all dimensions, just in different forms, & can always be tapped.Good luck on the paranormal phenomenon, i have been one of the lucky ones to have been 'there & back again', as Bilbo would say.....
Go forth in peace.
Luke
Yes, Luke, if We don't succeed, most of Us will die, and Humanity will be enslaved for a long time to come.
Therefore, I spend every spare moment pushing the paradigm.
Hey, PWm, I do agree that Russell had most of it right...pretty good for an ancient alien, eh?;) I have pounded the idea of vibrations and cymatics for years, among friends and colleagues, and when I watch some of the old guys do it, like Russell, it warms my heart to know Im on the right path.
Really after watching the video of his work earlier, I am reminded of Matrix Traveller and his theories. very similar, wouldnt you say? I miss that dude, and Capn' Dave, too. :(
Roller coasters? We have the best in Florida! And all the guys who work on them are from other countries it seems!LOL! If you come near me, Ill be riding that sucker with pride!
Ben Nevis is one smashing hill, Luke, and it would kick my ass!
Wherever you end up, I wish you the best, and when you do get here, make sure to avoid the yankee steak and ale...its nothing like the real one!!!
Of course when you come over, there will be some good ol american barbecue for you to sink your teeth into, with a pitcher of ...Newcastle!
Ahhhh, ribs and Newkie Broons!:D
Cheers!
Le
Good morning/afternoon/evening ;)
Summing up a few points;
Energy is inter-dimensional, trans-luminal, and can be directly exchanged for mass. This seems to be connected with vibration (waves, cymatics) and with fields (spirals). So in effect, some of (or maybe all of) our energy comes from another dimension, and goes also to it.....
Are we tapping energy from another dimension & in doing so depriving some entity of life? No more than they are tapping into ours...
All things being equal "as above, so below" (are you a Mason, Hobbit?LOL) then the energy exchange between dimensions is mutual, any small differences in the local field will be subtituted for mass.
In plain English: Energy is everywhere, all the time, in every dimension.
Excesses or shortages in energy at a given point at a given time will allow for the spontaneous creation/destruction of mass.
Being able to control this mechanism would mean having the ultimate technology. We would in effect, become gods :o able to create or destroy matter at will, and have unthinkable amounts of energy to play with.........
That's a long way off, & need not concern us now (but keep it in mind for the future). Hopefully by then we will have evolved emotionally enough to handle it wisely.....
Where we are now, with EG & 'free energy' experiments, are just the leading edges of this tech. We should proceed with caution, but i ask you this:
What can we, joe public do, that hasn't already been done in some secret bunker X years ago, and at far higher power levels?
These are the 'button pushers' doing so not because they really want to, they are ordered to do it, or they will miss next year's funding...think about that for a bit.
We 'fringe scientists' have that choice, we can decide whether to throw that switch or not, and i repeat, we aren't using anywhere near the power they are using.....so i say go for it, & i have mentioned already what a dangerous power level can do, & what to look out for.
L.E.:
QuoteReally after watching the video of his work earlier, I am reminded of Matrix Traveller and his theories. very similar, wouldnt you say? I miss that dude, and Capn' Dave, too.
Me too, buddy :)
They have nukie brown in the US?
My god, you guys are more civilised than i thought! LOL
I might bring some Kentish Spitfire ale to compare it with!
Ahhh, like a breath of fresh air, Luke quotes the second maxim...The Law of Correspondence! Love it buddy!
Its what make my container plants thrive, as above, so below...as below, so above!
I think your short concise post says it all, PWM about how others have thrown the switch at higher levels of voltage and with much bigger boats.
What I see is sort of like a child in a meadow, finding a tiny helpless butterfly(aether) and gently letting it land on her hand. Then, the butterfly shares it's beauty with the child and makes a profound impact on her life, through the peaceful understanding and careful handling of it's tiny body.
The butterfly is the prize, Luke, and as long as these mad scientists continue to try to shove a ten pound shell into a 22 caliber chamber, they wont find the grail.
When we realize what "electricity" can be versus what theyve thought it is...that will be the first day of the next phase of man's knowledge of aether and what energy really is.
Tesla's A/C?
Shifting?
As above, so below....yin and yang....balance my friend, and no more massive doses of current and the damage it does to every part of a circuit, or the entropy it creates within a device running at high current.
Voltage as a safe force? I would love to see it in my lifetime, and that coke machine that shocked me into a NDE when a boy might have been the seed sown for me to become a part of all this...who knows?
Cheers, amigo, and Ill have another two pints, as long as I dont have to share with Winston!:D
Old speckled hen for me, though!
Cheers!
(http://buglersbeerblog.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/oldspeck.jpg)
Le
PWMs,
look at David ovasons book as regards masons and America.
Hobbit
or this...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nj0f2B3sKTk
Le
It's not so much that We need to "evolve emotionally" as We need to remove profit motive. Virtually all evil is driven by money/power in an energy-scarce society. In energy abundance, there is no money or power over Others to be had; ergo, no motive for evil.
This is one point where we will disagree Amy and unfortuneately it is a basic issue. We are both thinking that one thing will change society... I believe recieving the wisdom will do it... and the decisions will flow downhill from there to eventually find us where you want to go...
You believe that its not the wisdom that will promote the change but the change that will prove out the wisdom.
Perhaps we just have to see that maybe its something that neither of us have considered before and that both of us had fallen in the " either / or trap.
In any case. At the very least we are thinking about the possibilities and without that for SURE... Nothing will happen. Linda
Society needs to change its diaper and move on, and the ones who have perpetrated this ridiculous so called civilization of ours for millenia, need to be reeducated or just die off.
The secret is to learn the real needs of a society and apply them with love and kindness, and some will never change, so those ones need to be separated so we may carry on with the new world we deserve.
Basically a hybrid of Amys and Lindas ideas, is what is needed.
And a big island for the ones who want to keep up the failed doctrines.
Le
Until We remove profit motive, those already enriched through profit will NOT let information flow to allow any change - that is why They're avidly going after the interweb. Let Us hope that the genie is out of the bottle and cannot be put back in. Somehow, though, with mass media still spewing what They want Us to believe - even on the web - They may have that genie under control still.
Quote from: Amaterasu on June 28, 2012, 05:27:15 PM
It's not so much that We need to "evolve emotionally" as We need to remove profit motive. Virtually all evil is driven by money/power in an energy-scarce society. In energy abundance, there is no money or power over Others to be had; ergo, no motive for evil.
Yes, Amy i agree, and it might happen sooner than we think.
I'll let you in on a big secret, the money's almost gone ::)
Once the money system fails, it will be back to gold nuggets, copper pennies & good old fashioned swap trading that will have to tide us over.
At the same time, the one thing we need the most--energy--is becoming more expensive, and most sources will fail sooner or later.
Sooner, because without money, there will be no-one to run those power stations, maintain the net etc etc.
Again, we need alternatives that work, and can be used now.
There's plenty to choose from, until we can get something better fired up....(not literally i hope) :-\
The genie is well out of the bottle & is currently soaring over the Atlantic...LOL
When I use the term "money," perhaps I should use the words "value exchange." Yes, the form of value exchange We are presently using is becoming worthless and "gone." No, money in the sense of value exchange is not.
So... Let Me rephrase.
It's not so much that We need to "evolve emotionally" as We need to remove profit motive. Virtually all evil is driven by (value exchange)/power in an energy-scarce society. In energy abundance, there is no (value exchange) or power over Others to be had; ergo, no motive for evil.
As long as We need to exchange value to account for meaningful energy expended - i.e., We live in an energy-scarce society - Some will have power over Others. Some will control Others, therefore. (S/He who has the (value exchange) goods, makes the rules.) When We ALL have energy freely available, and robots to do any necessary work no One or not enough People WANT to do, there will be no need to use (value exchange).
Yes, i agree with all of that.
But (and there's always one lurking around somewhere) the energy abundance has to come about real soon, or it's going to play out as you stated. There will HAVE to be an interim, where basic precious metals are traded. It will be like the old system of paying someone for their energy in doing work, with wich they can feed themselves to get the energy to, uh, work...
Sounds cruel, but that's exactly what we are doing now.
The goals are twofold,
1 Educate people about the money/energy issue, let them see there's a way out.
2 The way out, is free energy. I'm talking windmills, solar, ZPE, HHO, Biofuel, you name it.
The energy/gravity problem is a shared one.
Crack one & you have the other IMO and we have to get something done soon, while we still have power for our soldering irons :o
After that, we will be back in the stone age, where power Mosfet's are hard to come by. That's my biggest problem.
But i will remain optimistic, there's plenty of people doing this kind of thing.
Some of them are bound to get it, (and if you are one of the lucky few, don't forget to tell the rest of us!)
PS my remark about emotional evolving has more to do with learning to handle the god-like powers we could unleash in the future :D
Yes. It DOES have to happen soon. That is why I am on Twitter (I hate Twitter, but it IS a good tool). That is why I have blogged all over the web. That is why I have posted in a zillion forums. That is why I beg others to take My message out and spread it too.
IF the tipping point is reached soon enough, We can change the world for the better.
As for the "godlike powers" - no one Person will have the power to go it alone, and with stigmergic governANCE via the web, open source and all that, those who care will be involved in the choices We make in any large group. And without the profit motive blinding Us to BEST choices, We will choose wisely.
I would like to think so, but the cynical part of me says we need another 100 years at least.....
We do what we can, it's better than doing nothing, right?
If every One who touches the ideas, who incorporates the awareness, passes it on to two others... We could reach the tipping point in a month...
Of course, MOST of the People who gain awareness do nothing with it. Sad but true.
Still, I plug on, because, as You say, it's better than doing nothing - and there's a chance it will take hold.
There's always a chance, no matter how small....
'Awareness' is growing at an exponential rate, it seems.
As long as we still have internet (or any form of communication) then we will continue to talk with each other & eventually figure out the answers.
There are so many smart people out there, and they will 'gravitate' to sites like this one ;D
Ya know... I have even given People permission to take My work and call it Their own, just as long as the ideas spread. And some days it looks like they are, and other days I skirt despair. But I will NOT give up.
Quote from: Amaterasu on June 28, 2012, 10:08:49 PM
Ya know... I have even given People permission to take My work and call it Their own, just as long as the ideas spread. And some days it looks like they are, and other days I skirt despair. But I will NOT give up.
And there will be many stood alongside of You, who also won't......
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUTXb-ga1fo
hobbit
Thank You, hobbity. I will watch the vid before I turn in so I can reboot when I'm not using My computer. But I imagine I can guess the content. And I so appreciate the boost!
Please bear with me.... or join me if you wish.... I have decided to go very slowly reading through this particular thread to see where it might have started .... this.... strange dissention that we all are talking about now. I believe that its face will be revealed here if we study the way different members reacted to the flow of conversation.
I have gotten past page for so far and everyone is really doing well.... wonderful thoughts being exchanged... no problems..... I will get back as I start hitting bumps. Anyone want to join me. I just want to see when the souring started here..... If we recognize it here.... we can stop it in its tracks if it begins again.
Linda
Well, the OP is bound to create a bit of a stir, and we covered all the aspects of 'dangerous' from accidentally destroying the planet to MIB scenario's, psy-ops, etc.
Dissent? With the opening statement?
Not from me, at least 8)
Of course it's dangerous, when man first discovered fire, it must have been dangerous also. It still is......
I am not investigating the opening statement PWM because like you.... I feel that OF Course this is a dangerous thing that needs to be regarded and treated carefully.
What I am more interested in is seeing how each of the members here responded to each other and when the " Mikado Effect" started being noticed....because as you might recall I believe it was in this thread that it heated up past salvation.....Captain Dave punched out and soon after that so did Matrix.... after sending off some very irate PMs that really didn't make too much sense. I still believe that he was " encourage" by some other force to go in that direction....
Just want to see how it began to manifest itself. As I said if you reread the thread.... I have only gotten to page five I think and everyone is getting along really well.....
As soon as I have the time I hope to get back to it.
Linda
You go ahead, Linda :D
I have a very good memory, so i normally only read these threads once.
And i'm sorry to say it, but i am enjoying Mikado's presence here, you are entitled to your opinion, but I for one am enjoying it immensely...
Yes, i've seen this deterioation happen on other forums also, and it's sad. It's a lack of self control imo.
Maybe it's time we took a step back, pretend we are all new here, & start again...
I just reread your post PWM and it sort of brought me up short . Why should I bother to look for the fingerprint of something I already know exists. I am just wasting my time. If others are curious enough about what happened here and the potential of it in the future then they can read these messages for themself. Telling folks about it is not at all effective unless they uncover it themselves.
So I am withdrawing that energy spent in that direction.
Only so much of that mental stuff available for me to use!!! Think I had better save some of it for the really tough stuff ahead.
I wanted to thank you Zorgon ( I believe it was you right?) who put up the orgnizational chart for project Winterhaven. Notice the participation of the Franklin Institute.........( and also the University of Pa which always seemed to be somewhere in the background regarding my Dads work....That strange association has not come to the surface entirely yet....
Hiding in plain sight... is the Cosmic Glue that kept all of those things together but apart at the same time..
Lets get back to the statement.... Why Electrogravitics may be dangerous..... any more thoughts? Linda
I will say this once and in short:
ElectroGravitics is no more dangerous than ElectroMagnetism.
Both can be dangerous.
The chicken little syndrome needs to end and rational discussion to ensue. Does anyone here understand Inductive circuits? Does anyone here understand polar coordinates (or rectangular) for inductive circuits vs. capacitive circuits? Does anyone understand that inductive circuits are 180 degrees opposite from capacitive?
Start with that as your base. There are dangers that present themselves with heavy magnetic fields that are produced by xformers to motors and power transmissions, so too there will be with what is produced by a gravitic field.
And here is one last item.
WARNING! POSSIBLY OFF TOPIC!
I will say this again for somewhere in this forum I said it but can't seem to find it - there is no "anti-gravity" just as there is no "anti-electric" or "anti-magnetic".
However, there is "negative resistance" and in light of that perhaps a more accurate term would be "negative gravity".
Mikado
A butter knife is dangerous, if you stick it in someone's eye.
EG being dangerous? Sure, it uses HV and DUH! of course it can be dangerous.
It's other elements...time dilation, visual distortions, what have you...dangerous at a level we dont even comprehend.
Wish we could discuss anything without worrying about danger, but it seems there is danger lurking everywhere...oops, scratched my ear with a q-tip...there will be blood!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12Iosf6btzM
Le
Dr. LaViolette would agree with You, Mikado. Yes, like fire and electricity, EG has its dangers. The reasons given in the OP are absurd, and I had concluded that upon reading the letter. Dr. LaViolette, too, says they are absurd.
None of the dangers are such that We could not devise safe ways to use it.
Quote from: Littleenki on July 08, 2012, 06:06:22 PM
A butter knife is dangerous, if you stick it in someone's eye.
EG being dangerous? Sure, it uses HV and DUH! of course it can be dangerous.
It's other elements...time dilation, visual distortions, what have you...dangerous at a level we dont even comprehend.
Wish we could discuss anything without worrying about danger, but it seems there is danger lurking everywhere...oops, scratched my ear with a q-tip...there will be blood!
Le
Uh...let's see. I floated up as flotsam and you put me in the proper waste receptacle so I know you are not addressing me for you said you were not going to. Therefore, forgive me for not lambasting you with what you said above because NONE of it you can prove (i.e. - "It's other elements...time dilation, visual distortions, what have you...dangerous at a level we dont even comprehend.")... hypothecations with no factual proof.
Your sarcasm is noted for that is your weapon of choice instead of your intelligence. Unless of course you are going to do that "special thing" you described to Raymond one time...pathetic.
Now do what you say and keep your sarcasm and not respond to me as you said you were going to do.
Mikado
Quote from: Mikado on July 08, 2012, 05:57:37 PM
I will say this once and in short:
ElectroGravitics is no more dangerous than ElectroMagnetism.
And this is from you? And this we are supposed to take seriously?
Why don't you ask others here folks.... which is more dangerous? Mikados opinion? Gather others before you come to any conclusions. Electomagnetism or Electrogravitics.... in the wrong hands? As I recalled it some likened the atomic bomb to being like a " firecracker" against an electrogravitic manifestation.
I dare you to dispute that Mikado. So your statement is grossly misleading.Both can be dangerous.
The chicken little syndrome needs to end and rational discussion to ensue.
Lets start with you Sir
/ Does anyone here understand Inductive circuits? Does anyone here understand polar coordinates (or rectangular) for inductive circuits vs. capacitive circuits? Does anyone understand that inductive circuits are 180 degrees opposite from capacitive?
Start with that as your base. There are dangers that present themselves with heavy magnetic fields that are produced by xformers to motors and power transmissions, so too there will be with what is produced by a gravitic field.
And here is one last item.
WARNING! POSSIBLY OFF TOPIC!
Oh here we go again.... being controlled. Stick to the topic yourself Mikado.
I will say this again for somewhere in this forum I said it but can't seem to find it - there is no "anti-gravity" just as there is no "anti-electric" or "anti-magnetic".
We all know that. Tell us something new.
However, there is "negative resistance" and in light of that perhaps a more accurate term would be "negative gravity".
And that has been mentioned too here.... still waiting for that new information Mikado... especially to back up that first statement that "ElectroGravitics is no more dangerous than ElectroMagnetism.
Ttick to THAT discussion if you are going to involve all of your vast knowledge here. LindaMikado
Lucky i'm wearing Goretex pants, ouch :o
I have to admit Mikado, that if there is proof of 'negative resistance' (which there is) then it could prove that 'vacuum energy' or 'zero point' really does exist.
This would mean you could unleash more than 60 Gigawatts per cubic centimetre if you wanted to...This is analogous to Tesla's Scalar weapons, which the Russians at least, take a keen interest in.
We've seen all the arguments on the LHC right?
"it's going to create a black hole & swallow the Earth"
"it's going to open up a stargate that will allow evil (and for some reason, flesh eating) aliens to attack us"
Etc, etc. All fanciful fear-mongering, IMO
BUT.....we are playing with something we don't understand, and caution is advised of course.
Consider the reputed effect of time-forwarding electrons.
Innocent in itself, but if you accidentally send 200,000 volts into the future, you will never be able to enter that room again until that voltage has returned, and gone to earth :o
And the only other 'danger' i see is that the Alphabet people may come knocking on your door, asking you to stop, or else......
Quote from: Linda Brown on July 08, 2012, 06:26:03 PM
And again, I attempt to quote and can't because you insist on putting in you response within the quote.
Yes, I expect to be taken as serious as others.
As to this - " As I recalled it some likened the atomic bomb to being like a " firecracker" against an electrogravitic manifestation."
You are essentially correct. (remember the truck? well, I am talking a heavy hauler here.)
and there is this:
Quote from:
WARNING! POSSIBLY OFF TOPIC!
Oh here we go again.... being controlled. Stick to the topic yourself Mikado.
I will say this again for somewhere in this forum I said it but can't seem to find it - there is no "anti-gravity" just as there is no "anti-electric" or "anti-magnetic".
We all know that. Tell us something new.
However, there is "negative resistance" and in light of that perhaps a more accurate term would be "negative gravity".
And that has been mentioned too here.... still waiting for that new information Mikado... especially to back up that first statement that "ElectroGravitics is no more dangerous than ElectroMagnetism.
Ttick to THAT discussion if you are going to involve all of your vast knowledge here. LindaMikado
I gave ample warning that my following comment was going to be "Off Topic". You state the obvious.
As to any new information, why? If individuals are so "scared" of EG then why give out info that is a bit beyond that?
You make me laugh at your antics to prod and belittle me when you do such a good job of it yourself.
I also see you must have been upset...."Ttick"??? The "S" is typed with the left ring finger and not the left index finger...suppose I still get to you.
Ahhhhh...free rent!
Mikado
Oh but PWM you have to understand that Mikado SKOFFS at the possibility of that happening.....its like daring Chuck Norris to come beating down your door.... No matter what others say about that man.... he can't possibly be that tough.... RIGHT! I skoff at the face of that danger Mikado swaggers.
( I always wonder about swaggering men ;)) May be other reasons for walking so funny I think to myself.
Oh.... another good one.... Did you know that Chuck Norris is the only one who can gargle peanut butter?
Now THATS tough. Linda
Quote from: Mikado on July 08, 2012, 05:57:37 PM
I will say this once and in short:
ElectroGravitics is no more dangerous than ElectroMagnetism.
Both can be dangerous.
The chicken little syndrome needs to end and rational discussion to ensue. Does anyone here understand Inductive circuits? Does anyone here understand polar coordinates (or rectangular) for inductive circuits vs. capacitive circuits? Does anyone understand that inductive circuits are 180 degrees opposite from capacitive?
Start with that as your base. There are dangers that present themselves with heavy magnetic fields that are produced by xformers to motors and power transmissions, so too there will be with what is produced by a gravitic field.
And here is one last item.
WARNING! POSSIBLY OFF TOPIC!
I will say this again for somewhere in this forum I said it but can't seem to find it - there is no "anti-gravity" just as there is no "anti-electric" or "anti-magnetic".
However, there is "negative resistance" and in light of that perhaps a more accurate term would be "negative gravity".
Mikado
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4I9DMSvJxg
hobbit
Is that all you care about Mikado.... having free rent in someones head? I can see that....
Linda
PLAYSWITHMACHINES,
When I speak of "negative resistance" I am referring to that characteristic that is reserved for a "Tunnel Diode", SCR's, LED's etc.
However, there is a great deal of work going on with the aspect of negative resistance being employed in the operation of motors.
Mikado
QuoteOh.... another good one.... Did you know that Chuck Norris is the only one who can gargle peanut butter?
Now THATS tough. Linda
I can't do that, but i learned to kiss girls by sucking oatmeal through a straw ;D
Hi Hobbit 8)
Quote from: Linda Brown on July 08, 2012, 06:57:43 PM
Is that all you care about Mikado.... having free rent in someones head? I can see that....
Linda
He11 no! It's a mess in there.
Mikado
Quote from: Linda Brown on July 08, 2012, 06:54:32 PM
Oh but PWM you have to understand that Mikado SKOFFS at the possibility of that happening.....its like daring Chuck Norris to come beating down your door.... No matter what others say about that man.... he can't possibly be that tough.... RIGHT! I skoff at the face of that danger Mikado swaggers.
( I always wonder about swaggering men ;)) May be other reasons for walking so funny I think to myself.
Oh.... another good one.... Did you know that Chuck Norris is the only one who can gargle peanut butter?
Now THATS tough. Linda
Practice what you preach this is..
OFF TOPIC!
Ah, but that 'tunnel effect' is a dead giveaway, isn't it?
The motion of charge is a truly remarkable thing, even our electronics are capable of 'overunity' but we don't even know it....
Amy you said
"Dr. LaViolette would agree with You, Mikado. Yes, like fire and electricity, EG has its dangers. The reasons given in the OP are absurd, and I had concluded that upon reading the letter. Dr. LaViolette, too, says they are absurd.[/color
]I would like to counter that statement. Why don't you ask Dr. Violette a very simple question. Which of the two is the most potentially dangerous.... EM or EG.
Lets see what he personally will say.
This is the statement that Mikado made. We are sticking with that "ElectroGravitics is no more dangerous than ElectroMagnetism"I really do want to see what Dr. Violette has to say regarding THAT statement.
We are sticking to the topic here of the statement that Mikado chose to make.... and only that.... no other absurd discussions please. That one is plenty enough!!!
Linda
Gabriel Kron - Tensor Analysis of Networks
Off topic? How Mikado
"Practice what you preach this is..
OFF TOPIC!
We are in the electrogravitics section talking about how dangerous it is. One member mentioned that the alphabet agencies would most likely be beating down any developers door ( because it is dangerous) and I mentioned the fact that you have previously skoffed at such an idea. THAT is not off topic.
Maybe the Chuck Norris Joke strayed a bit but you always mention him for some reason so I thought it was appropriate as well as funny.
So this is not off topic and since I seem to be the moderator here I think that I have the ability to call that? Anybody disagree? Lets talk about it.
So, isn't it true Mikado that you have really made quite a joke about anyone coming to your door. Is that because you have no development to be worried about and there for can afford that kind of strange attitude?
You keep saying you have something.... so .... more power to you. I should think that you might be concerned that someone WILL someday come down your lane....
Or perhaps they have already? Its a valid question. Linda
Quote from: Linda Brown on July 08, 2012, 07:31:47 PM
Amy you said
"Dr. LaViolette would agree with You, Mikado. Yes, like fire and electricity, EG has its dangers. The reasons given in the OP are absurd, and I had concluded that upon reading the letter. Dr. LaViolette, too, says they are absurd.[/color
]I would like to counter that statement. Why don't you ask Dr. Violette a very simple question. Which of the two is the most potentially dangerous.... EM or EG.
Lets see what he personally will say.
This is the statement that Mikado made. We are sticking with that "ElectroGravitics is no more dangerous than ElectroMagnetism"I really do want to see what Dr. Violette has to say regarding THAT statement.
We are sticking to the topic here of the statement that Mikado chose to make.... and only that.... no other absurd discussions please. That one is plenty enough!!!
Linda
Well... I suppose it depends on the scale... Taking the initial post in consideration, I have to guess EM and EG are in the same ballpark relative to the dire statements made.
You might be right Linda EM is not as dangerous as EG, But it could be more dangerous we just have to wait until EG is proved right, also depends on How you use EG, plus Linda if you use EG the right way (not for evil) it can be better than EM in some cases, for example a solar wind or EMP can distroy EM communication not for EG
I think EG is WAY more cooler than EM.
Amy,
You are asking people to sign your petition to release the electrogravitic technology and you don't understand that there is an enormous difference in the dangers presented?????
Well... I suppose it depends on the scale... Taking the initial post in consideration, I have to guess EM and EG are in the same ballpark relative to the dire statements made.
When we first messaged about this you couldn't see it either.....your head was more wrapped in the economics of the world which is where your first passion lies. My point was..... without a world to speak of..... economics doesn't count for much. does it.
And you still are not seeing what has been said here? You are going to let someone like Mikado equate the dangers involved and call them EQUAL?????
Please tell me thats not true.
Linda
Quote from: Linda Brown on July 08, 2012, 07:45:33 PM
Off topic? How Mikado
"Practice what you preach this is..
OFF TOPIC!
We are in the electrogravitics section talking about how dangerous it is. One member mentioned that the alphabet agencies would most likely be beating down any developers door ( because it is dangerous) and I mentioned the fact that you have previously skoffed at such an idea. THAT is not off topic.
Maybe the Chuck Norris Joke strayed a bit but you always mention him for some reason so I thought it was appropriate as well as funny.
Maybe? It was off topic. I mentioned Chuck Norris at different times due to certain facts that his biography doesn't match what YOU told everyone. In other words, deception caught. Don't believe me? How about the fact that you claimed that he went out with Tula and according to his own biography he was married. Next time, if you are going to use someone in the public eye make sure you at least have things match.
Quote from: Linda Brown on July 08, 2012, 07:45:33 PM
So this is not off topic and since I seem to be the moderator here I think that I have the ability to call that? Anybody disagree? Lets talk about it.
Yes, I disagree. You are show casing everything I have claimed... "do as I say and not what I do" mentality.
Quote from: Linda Brown on July 08, 2012, 07:45:33 PMSo, isn't it true Mikado that you have really made quite a joke about anyone coming to your door. Is that because you have no development to be worried about and there for can afford that kind of strange attitude?
You keep saying you have something.... so .... more power to you. I should think that you might be concerned that someone WILL someday come down your lane....
Or perhaps they have already? Its a valid question. Linda
I make a joke...a big fat joke...out of what you claimed. NO one will come down my lane, they haven't, at least anyone connected with a fictional group perpetrated in the mind of someone.
In fact, someone did come down my lane, as a matter of fact, two different individuals and it had nothing to do with any "alphabet" agencies. It had everything to do with you posting personal information at the Cosmic Token which led to two individuals coming down the lane of the farm and my parents being hassled with phone calls. Here is a news flash for you...no utilities are in my name for just the reason explained.
That is a self fulfilled prophecy.
No light came on, there is no twigsnapper, there is no Morgan super spy. You talk of shams, most of the first hand info supplied by them to Paul Schatzkin was a sham.
Now, are you done with this stuff? I am getting weary of you persistent attempts to get me off topic.
Mikado
Quote from: dcooper on July 08, 2012, 08:13:20 PM
You might be right Linda EM is not as dangerous as EG, But it could be more dangerous we just have to wait until EG is proved right, also depends on How you use EG, plus Linda if you use EG the right way (not for evil) it can be better than EM in some cases, for example a solar wind or EMP can distroy EM communication not for EG
I think EG is WAY more cooler than EM.
EMP will disrupt EG communications as well.
Mikado
As you know Dylan Dad said that there was a parallel relationship between EG and EM.... Everything developed in EM can be developed in EG someday.... and yes.... if we concentrate on the good I think its " way cooler too"
ASk Mikado to prove his last statement.
Linda
Quote from: Linda Brown on July 08, 2012, 08:14:39 PM
Amy,
You are asking people to sign your petition to release the electrogravitic technology and you don't understand that there is an enormous difference in the dangers presented?????
Well... I suppose it depends on the scale... Taking the initial post in consideration, I have to guess EM and EG are in the same ballpark relative to the dire statements made.
When we first messaged about this you couldn't see it either.....your head was more wrapped in the economics of the world which is where your first passion lies. My point was..... without a world to speak of..... economics doesn't count for much. does it.
And you still are not seeing what has been said here? You are going to let someone like Mikado equate the dangers involved and call them EQUAL?????
Please tell me thats not true.
Linda
You claim that you do not have an understanding of the science and yet you are attempting to make an argument in regards to the dangers of EG.
BOTH EM and EG have dangers to them. One could just as easily claim all the dangers of EM for there is enough evidence of that.
To claim the dangers of a heretofore unexplored area as dangerous is to imply that one has knowledge for one must understand what it is to cite the dangers and frankly, you have already publicly claimed to have no scientific understanding.
Chicken Little indeed.
Mikado
Quote from: Linda Brown on July 08, 2012, 08:19:28 PM
As you know Dylan Dad said that there was a parallel relationship between EG and EM.... Everything developed in EM can be developed in EG someday.... and yes.... if we concentrate on the good I think its " way cooler too"
ASk Mikado to prove his last statement.
Linda
Why should I answer him when he came right out and said that he wouldn't answer me in a previous post somewhere?
Oh...what the he11.
If one really understands what EG is they would understand that it is the method of propagation. However, what is being transmitted is derived from normal electronics which are susceptible to EMP.
Proof positive that those making statements don't really understand what they are talking about.
Mikado
Quoteit vents energy from another dimension and appears to create energy.
.......
The fact that it produces a dimensionless thrust means that it produces its thrust regardless of its inertial frame of reference.
This appears to violate the conservation of energy and mass law. This law is of course in error because we can plainly see that the universe is full of energy and matter and existence implies creation.
......
The generator application has dire economic as well as other consequences, but the collision of an object travelling at near light spead with our moon, (which by the way would eventually be inevitable) would create an energy density at the collision site about equal to the energy density near a black hole.
(http://www.sherv.net/talking/swf/funny/9.gif) (http://www.desismileys.com/smileys/desismileys_4422.gif)
so scared stuff ::) here needs Just to recall how permanent magnets interact with each other: they only tend towards stable position (South against North & North against South). in short, interaction of permanent magnetic fields can't produce continuous acceleration, so any realization of M-glider uses A/C to get stable vector of forces. & there're Nothing about extra Dimensions +
to violate the conservation of energy and mass law :)
Quote from: Linda Brown on July 08, 2012, 08:14:39 PM
Amy,
You are asking people to sign your petition to release the electrogravitic technology and you don't understand that there is an enormous difference in the dangers presented?????
Well... I suppose it depends on the scale... Taking the initial post in consideration, I have to guess EM and EG are in the same ballpark relative to the dire statements made.
When we first messaged about this you couldn't see it either.....your head was more wrapped in the economics of the world which is where your first passion lies. My point was..... without a world to speak of..... economics doesn't count for much. does it.
And you still are not seeing what has been said here? You are going to let someone like Mikado equate the dangers involved and call them EQUAL?????
Please tell me thats not true.
Linda
No... I'm letting Dr. LaViolette clue Me in. According to HIM, the dire scenarios offered in the letter I received are out of the realm of the reasonable. Mikado's view just happens (? or is similarly based) to come close to LaViolette's view.
Unless You can offer specifics of what EG has that is beyond Dr. LaViolette's, Mikado's and My understanding...I'm guessing I can't place a lot of credence in the notion that one small misstep will vanish the planet (or life thereupon).
I don't give Your insinuations zero probability, but with what I have from LaViolette, and generally agreed to by Mikado, as well as My own grasp...I have to give them low probability. In large part because I don't know specifically what You are even talking about.
Don't think EMP might disrupt EG In Townsend Brown Electrogravitic communication it Said it can penetrate throw every thing (also some articles, which is at the thomastownsendbrown website), plus he showed it can pass through EM shield. if they penetrate throw objects like a "g"wave then it should go throw EMP as well as solar wind.
I have to disagree with you Mikado, if that's not enough for you then fine, But I disagree
Quote from: dcooper on July 08, 2012, 08:31:00 PM
Don't think EMP might disrupt EG In Townsend Brown Electrogravitic communication it Said it can penetrate throw every thing (also some articles, which is at the thomastownsendbrown website), plus he showed it can pass through EM shield. if they penetrate throw objects like a "g"wave then it should go throw EMP as well as solar wind.
I have to disagree with you Mikado, if that's not enough for you then fine, But I disagree
You missed the point.
The electronics to generate the frequency are still EM based. EMP will destroy them and thus you will not have a transmitter.
Disagree. It is what it is. The difference between EG and EM is the propagation of the wave. And that is determined by the final transmitter. Prior to that, the electronics are the same.
Mikado
OH Mikado can you read and reply on Electrogravitics & UFO propulsion 1/3 on page two my reply #22, I would love to hear from you, Thanks dcooper
Quote from: Mikado on July 08, 2012, 08:36:21 PM
Disagree. It is what it is. The difference between EG and EM is the propagation of the wave. And that is determined by the final transmitter. Prior to that, the electronics are the same.
Mikado
Mikado, do ye really think that so-called EG is something different than EM effects????
SarK, it definitely IS different, though there is a relationship. Electromagnetogravitics... All three are intimately connected, but each expresses in separate ways.
Does anyone else smell cheesesteak farts? ???
Quote from: Amaterasu on July 08, 2012, 08:49:05 PM
SarK, it definitely IS different, though there is a relationship. Electromagnetogravitics... All three are intimately connected, but each expresses in separate ways.
Amaterasu, what is reason to think so??? where ever were experiments on the LEO to measure forces precisely???? no magic to use magnetic field of the Earth to repulse Gravity.
There is a relationship/coupling between electricity and Gravity & charge - mass, so yes it does have a relation between EG and EM but also with gravity
But Townsend Brown never went or discovered how magnetic and Electromagnetic might be coupled to Gravity but it is obvious that there is.
Quote from: SarK0Y on July 08, 2012, 09:01:58 PM
Amaterasu, what is reason to think so??? where ever were experiments on the LEO to measure forces precisely???? no magic to use magnetic field of the Earth to repulse Gravity.
I highly recommend reading Dr. Paul A. LaViolette's Secrets of Antigravity Propulsion... Unless You are not mathematically challenged like I am - in which case, read His Subquantum Kinetics. (Too many squigglies for Me in that last work...)
Also read My thread, Electrogravitics - A Simplified Description here: http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=1308.0
That last is My own based on LaViolette's work.
Dad was never able to have some of his work verified and published... especially.... the stuff that you are probably most interested in
but I do recall him spending thousands of dollars having SRI run back up tests on things that we had already done.
I found that discouraging but he said that it was necessary. Where are those reports now.... I have never seen them. Who has those reports and the math to back them up. I don't know. I saw a check once made out to them for One Hundred Thousand Dollars.... Drawn on his account in Nassau.... never heard anything more about that.
If you find out where all that went please let me know. Linda
Amaterasu, Biefeld - Brown's experiments didn't exclude interactions with Earth's M-field, thus claims about Gravity have remained non-proven :) thus far i only've seen the effects related to regular M-glider conceptions. apparatus of this kind is useful thinge to really advance Cosmonautics ahead, but actually too far to be put amongst AG stories ::)
sARKOY;
The B-B effect is real, it's been confirmed by several groups already.
I do not believe the earth's magnetic field would react with this experiment enough to be measured, the local EM field is 10,000 times (if not millions) more dense.
Quote from: PLAYSWITHMACHINES on July 08, 2012, 11:14:28 PM
sARKOY;
The B-B effect is real, it's been confirmed by several groups already.
I do not believe the earth's magnetic field would react with this experiment enough to be measured, the local EM field is 10,000 times (if not millions) more dense.
PLAYSWITHMACHINES, i no've ever said effect unreal, but its very roots've been remained a little bit vague. EM Force is much stronger than Gravity, to be saying softly, so i no see any reason to put Gravity as the very top culprit :) seems many humans have been charmed with Gravity's spells & are about to see Her elusive figure everywhere ::) i'm damned sure there're EM's stories. :)
Quote from: SarK0Y on July 09, 2012, 01:34:28 AM
PLAYSWITHMACHINES, i no've ever said effect unreal, but its very roots've been remained a little bit vague. EM Force is much stronger than Gravity, to be saying softly, so i no see any reason to put Gravity as the very top culprit :) seems many humans have been charmed with Gravity's spells & are about to see Her elusive figure everywhere ::) i'm damned sure there're EM's stories. :)
According to LaViolette's subquantum kinetics (SQK), gravity is only APPARENTLY weak. If You read My electrogravitics post You would see that it is a very strong force that, because of virtually equal numbers of positive gravity particles being (nearly) cancelled out by negative gravity particles (the positive gravity (PG) of a PG particle is ever so slightly greater than an NG particle), the NET gravity is slight and positive. Positively charged particles have PG, negatively charged particles have NG.
By separating positive and negative particles, a gravity field is created in which matter will "fall" towards the positive particles and away from the negative. Attach the whole to the matter "falling" and the fall drags the field along, creating perpetual movement in the positive direction. Thus, if the positive is "up" relative to the earth, what is within this independent field will appear to have "antigravity" as it "falls" upward.
sarKOY I agree with you 8)
I think charge is the culprit here.
What people call 'static' electricity, is linked to very powerful forces, i see charge being a dimension in itself.
This would explain a lot of things, IMO...
Nicely put PWM
"What people call 'static' electricity, is linked to very powerful forces, i see charge being a dimension in itself."
I haven't seen others express it that way.
Linda
Quote from: Linda Brown on July 09, 2012, 03:39:54 PM
Nicely put PWM
"What people call 'static' electricity, is linked to very powerful forces, i see charge being a dimension in itself."
I haven't seen others express it that way.
Linda
I have thought of static electricity as a stressed reaction between dimensions, and a sort of indicator that something is holding pressure within a certain location, and when it occurs, that location comes into proximity with another similarly stressed dimension, causing the connection we actually visualize and hear.
A by-product of something else much greater.
Each spark or arc, a proof of an existing nodal point, where dimensions meet, and as Hobbit sees, these places can be sensed by dowsing, which is the ultimate finder of unseen and unmeasurable forces.
More than just rubbing the feet upon carpet.
Unless the carpet and the foot exist in two different dimensions, eh PWM?
Cheers!
Le
Quote from: Amaterasu on July 09, 2012, 06:58:17 AM
According to LaViolette's subquantum kinetics (SQK), gravity is only APPARENTLY weak. If You read My electrogravitics post You would see that it is a very strong force that, because of virtually equal numbers of positive gravity particles being (nearly) cancelled out by negative gravity particles (the positive gravity (PG) of a PG particle is ever so slightly greater than an NG particle), the NET gravity is slight and positive. Positively charged particles have PG, negatively charged particles have NG.
By separating positive and negative particles, a gravity field is created in which matter will "fall" towards the positive particles and away from the negative. Attach the whole to the matter "falling" and the fall drags the field along, creating perpetual movement in the positive direction. Thus, if the positive is "up" relative to the earth, what is within this independent field will appear to have "antigravity" as it "falls" upward.
Amaterasu, aforementioned conjectures look too childish: i did put out the arguments why it so. if to say about Gravity, i recalled quite attractive theory (http://www.space.com/828-leaking-gravity-explain-cosmic-puzzle.html). Looks hella good ::) 8) :)
Quote from: PLAYSWITHMACHINES on July 09, 2012, 11:59:35 AM
sarKOY I agree with you 8)
I think charge is the culprit here.
What people call 'static' electricity, is linked to very powerful forces, i see charge being a dimension in itself.
This would explain a lot of things, IMO...
PLAYSWITHMACHINES, i so'm bored to've seen all-that AG-prone B$ (http://www.msn101.com/content/emoticons/Sigh_TWR6SF.gif) EM effects have the everything to travel up to the Moon & Beyond.
There HAS to be a link between EM and gravity.
We call it 'EG' as a sort of general description.
Quote from: PLAYSWITHMACHINES on July 10, 2012, 12:39:56 AM
There HAS to be a link between EM and gravity.
We call it 'EG' as a sort of general description.
HD - Physics will give these Links with accurate description, but too early yet ;) hyperdimensional prisms can convert one kind of field to another...
Quote from: SarK0Y on July 10, 2012, 12:31:42 AM
Amaterasu, aforementioned conjectures look too childish: i did put out the arguments why it so. if to say about Gravity, i recalled quite attractive theory (http://www.space.com/828-leaking-gravity-explain-cosmic-puzzle.html). Looks hella good ::) 8) :)
Well, Sar, all I can say is that LaViolette took chemical reactions and applied the principles to the subquantum world. The math works, and unlike relativity, it
predicted the Biefeld-Brown Effect. On top of that, LaViolette had never HEARD of the BBE (or TT Brown) when He got the predictions, thinking there was something wrong with His model until He encountered TT Brown and the BBE.
So... Point to wacky theories all Ya want...SQK predicts EVERYTHING both of Einstein's theories predicts AND much more that is TESTABLE.
You might want to actually check it out. [smile]
Quote from: Amaterasu on July 10, 2012, 04:05:16 AM
Well, Sar, all I can say is that LaViolette took chemical reactions and applied the principles to the subquantum world. The math works, and unlike relativity, it predicted the Biefeld-Brown Effect. On top of that, LaViolette had never HEARD of the BBE (or TT Brown) when He got the predictions, thinking there was something wrong with His model until He encountered TT Brown and the BBE.
So... Point to wacky theories all Ya want...SQK predicts EVERYTHING both of Einstein's theories predicts AND much more that is TESTABLE.
You might want to actually check it out. [smile]
Are you sure about that fact in that LaViolette never heard of Brown? I have heard differently but then, that is how the rumor mill seems to work. Just wondering if you could reference that .
Mikado
Granted, Mikado, I take Him at His word in Secrets of Antigravity Propulsion. Yes, I am certain He has made that claim. What is there to suggest He was...embellishing the truth?
The man has been gracious to answer the questions I have posed. He seems to be on the up and up. Truly certain that SQK - if not THE perfect model, is one hell of a lot closer than relativity. Have You read Secrets? (Or Subquantum Kinetics...?)
Quote from: Amaterasu on July 10, 2012, 04:05:16 AM
Well, Sar, all I can say is that LaViolette took chemical reactions and applied the principles to the subquantum world. The math works, and unlike relativity, it predicted the Biefeld-Brown Effect. On top of that, LaViolette had never HEARD of the BBE (or TT Brown) when He got the predictions, thinking there was something wrong with His model until He encountered TT Brown and the BBE.
So... Point to wacky theories all Ya want...SQK predicts EVERYTHING both of Einstein's theories predicts AND much more that is TESTABLE.
You might want to actually check it out. [smile]
Amaterasu, i damned don't understand how Neutron got zero mass (https://encrypted-tbn3.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRDg7157Km3GmHU6E-RpXjetLkCOnxqL0KwU-qJfqY0keZ4MFi9) the
EVERYTHING means that all stuff about Atomic Masses, Relativistic speeds & so forth is Just B$ $tory. + mass of Proton is Just slightly greater than of Electron, right? ::)
From what i remember from high school, the proton has about 1,870 times the mass of an electron, yet they carry equal amounts of charge.
The question is: How much energy can you put into an electron, and how much can you remove?........
Quote from: Amaterasu on July 10, 2012, 04:30:31 AM
Granted, Mikado, I take Him at His word in Secrets of Antigravity Propulsion. Yes, I am certain He has made that claim. What is there to suggest He was...embellishing the truth?
The man has been gracious to answer the questions I have posed. He seems to be on the up and up. Truly certain that SQK - if not THE perfect model, is one hell of a lot closer than relativity. Have You read Secrets? (Or Subquantum Kinetics...?)
I have "Secrets...". First of all I was not suggesting that he was embellishing. However, he did have the Turman papers as an addendum and discussed them. That indicates to me that he was aware of Dr. Brown at some point to include into the book which further indicates that he had to have known for some amount of time.
Nothing other than that.
I am not slandering him in the least.
Mikado
I have "Secrets...". First of all I was not suggesting that he was embellishing. What WERE you suggesting then actually Mikado?
I am not slandering him in the least.
Wise move.
we all know that slander is not your style Mikado. .
Because you know that you can not get away with it. So you knock it down a few notches and go with the " negative innuendos...." which I have to admit you have honed to a fine art. Your messages are riddled with them and they are meant to create discord.
And it works... until it doesn't.
Right now its just wasting time.
Linda
Quote from: Linda Brown on July 10, 2012, 03:23:32 PM
I have "Secrets...". First of all I was not suggesting that he was embellishing. What WERE you suggesting then actually Mikado?
I am not slandering him in the least.
Wise move.
we all know that slander is not your style Mikado. .
Because you know that you can not get away with it. So you knock it down a few notches and go with the " negative innuendos...." which I have to admit you have honed to a fine art. Your messages are riddled with them and they are meant to create discord.
And it works... until it doesn't.
Right now its just wasting time.
Linda
Just look at what you posted and then ask yourself the same questions you asked me.
Oh, and I quoted you so that your message will stay. I know how you enjoy the delete/edit key.
Mikado
And just what is it to you that I use a facility here that is provided to me? Again the negative innuendo Mikado.
Why don't you join MPC. He might need some help in that area. I think some are catching on to him.
Notice that was a suggestion. Not a directive. Linda
Quote from: Linda Brown on July 10, 2012, 03:39:43 PM
And just what is it to you that I use a facility here that is provided to me? Again the negative innuendo Mikado.
Why don't you join MPC. He might need some help in that area. I think some are catching on to him.
Notice that was a suggestion. Not a directive. Linda
More Brownisms
(in the voice of W.C. Fields)
" Go away kid, you are bothering everybody...go play on the white line on the street"
Mikado
Not going anywhere Mikado.
Too bad.
Quote from: SarK0Y on July 10, 2012, 01:02:19 PM
Amaterasu, i damned don't understand how Neutron got zero mass (https://encrypted-tbn3.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRDg7157Km3GmHU6E-RpXjetLkCOnxqL0KwU-qJfqY0keZ4MFi9) the EVERYTHING means that all stuff about Atomic Masses, Relativistic speeds & so forth is Just B$ $tory. + mass of Proton is Just slightly greater than of Electron, right? ::)
Who said anything about MASS? The neutron has no CHARGE. And it is charge that is linked to gravity.
Quote from: PLAYSWITHMACHINES on July 10, 2012, 02:35:10 PM
From what i remember from high school, the proton has about 1,870 times the mass of an electron, yet they carry equal amounts of charge.
The question is: How much energy can you put into an electron, and how much can you remove?........
PLAYSWITHMACHINES, SQK says ye did waste Time in the high school ;) it really amuses me how well-known effects can be misinterpreted & shall transform to basis 4 severe assaults onto Science :o to float in the ionized gases or into magnetic field Just're old good School, but to realize these thinges needs deal with High - Power stuff.
Quote from: Amaterasu on July 10, 2012, 07:49:02 PM
Who said anything about MASS? The neutron has no CHARGE. And it is charge that is linked to gravity.
Amaterasu, so mass doesn't correlate with gravity, right? ::)
Not directly, no. Enjoy the eye-rolling. [smile]
Quote from: Amaterasu on July 10, 2012, 08:55:28 PM
Not directly, no. Enjoy the eye-rolling. [smile]
Amaterasu, in short, experimental data was classified by evil govt's ;)
Quote from: SarK0Y on July 10, 2012, 09:05:05 PM
Amaterasu, in short, experimental data was classified by evil govt's ;)
Or misinterpreted... If the "laws" are incorrect, the whole interpretation will be off. Just sayin'.
Quote from: SarK0Y on July 10, 2012, 07:52:53 PM
PLAYSWITHMACHINES, SQK says ye did waste Time in the high school ;) it really amuses me how well-known effects can be misinterpreted & shall transform to basis 4 severe assaults onto Science :o to float in the ionized gases or into magnetic field Just're old good School, but to realize these thinges needs deal with High - Power stuff.
You ain't seen nothin' yet..........
QuoteWho said anything about MASS? The neutron has no CHARGE. And it is charge that is linked to gravity.
Listen to Amy, she knows.....
Linda: for the last time, back off...
Quote from: Amaterasu on July 10, 2012, 09:20:17 PM
Or misinterpreted... If the "laws" are incorrect, the whole interpretation will be off. Just sayin'.
Amaterasu, all theories of Physics are wrong because no one can be completed to 100%. in short, 'tis only approximation, goes on & on ad infinitum, but one question needs precision about .01 & another of 10^-37. :)
QuoteListen to Amy, she knows.....
PLAYSWITHMACHINES, Practice always has the last Word, but no one of us ;)
I can work to 0.001 if you want, (1 Micron, by hand) wait for the 'gravity' thread.....
Quote from: PLAYSWITHMACHINES on July 11, 2012, 12:05:13 AM
I can work to 0.001 if you want, (1 Micron, by hand)
i said about detailization: the same object can be described with different accuracy.
I agree!
:D
Am I to understand from the above that the conclusion is that mass is not linked to gravity?
Mikado
Quote from: SarK0Y on July 10, 2012, 11:59:51 PM
Amaterasu, all theories of Physics are wrong because no one can be completed to 100%. in short, 'tis only approximation, goes on & on ad infinitum, but one question needs precision about .01 & another of 10^-37. :)
Yes, but when One has a theory that explains, predicts and is far more testable than a previous theory, what are the odds that it is a BETTER theory than the previous one?
In the case of SQK, it explains EVERYTHING that relativity does - PLUS the BBE, plus other things, predicts more and has been tested. So...
Go ahead and hang on to Einstein if You wish. I'm backing SQK. [shrug]
Quote from: Amaterasu on July 11, 2012, 05:42:26 AM
Yes, but when One has a theory that explains, predicts and is far more testable than a previous theory, what are the odds that it is a BETTER theory than the previous one?
In the case of SQK, it explains EVERYTHING that relativity does - PLUS the BBE, plus other things, predicts more and has been tested. So...
Go ahead and hang on to Einstein if You wish. I'm backing SQK. [shrug]
well,
Amy, i give up. i don't like any theory before it no's shown the least real thinge... Just sayin'
(http://officeimg.vo.msecnd.net/en-us/images/emoticon-with-zippered-mouth-MH900437803.jpg)
Ah, that's just the trick isn't it?
We are trying to prove the theory here, either by logic, math, or a physical working model based on the theory.
SQK is very complex & has a lot in common with at least 5 other theories.
Proving any one of the 5 will also prove SQK (in part).
Burkhard Heim, for example....
Quote from: SarK0Y on July 11, 2012, 12:17:43 AM
i said about detailization: the same object can be described with different accuracy.
Detailization! LOL. That sounds like one of those Americanisations your Presidents use to me. Not actually a word but sounds clever. :o
This thread was about EG and it's dangers as started by Amaterasu.
"You are correct about that because it vents energy from another dimension and appears to create energy."
I do not agree with this - "vents energy". EG is the polar opposite of EM. Both have an "Electrical" component. The variable is "Magnetic" in one and "Gravitic" in another. The statement would be correct if EM vented energy from another dimension.
"The fact that it produces a dimensionless thrust means that it produces its thrust regardless of its inertial frame of reference. "
I agree with this statement. Regardless of the orientation of a Gravitor, it will create a displacement in the aether regardless of any local displacement.
"This appears to violate the conservation of energy and mass law. This law is of course in error because we can plainly see that the universe is full of energy and matter and existence implies creation."
Not too sure about violating the "Law of the Conservation of Energy". I will reserve any comment for it is too conclusive to based upon only what it "appears".
"It should also be pointed out that it is impossible to prove the non-happening of an event, therefore this law is not a law at all but rather a statement of what the writer of it was unable to do for lack of knowledge and simply assumed everyone else was always going to be just as ignorant. "
Not to sure what is being referenced
"It was discovered by accident in 1929 and pigeon-holed because they didn't want to rewrite the physical laws and appear stupid. There have been many forms of it over the decades but it remains a sensitive subject because this technology can accellerate an object to speeds near the speed of light as well as spin a generator shaft. "
AS to accelerating towards the speed of light, it is assumptive at this time. As to spinning a generator, absolutely for if EM can do it, EG should do it just as easily.
"The generator application has dire economic as well as other consequences, ...<snip>"
Perhaps. Electricity along with light bulbs sure did put a hurting on the Whale oil industry. And the list would go on. Any change would take time.
"...<snip>...but the collision of an object travelling at near light spead with our moon, (which by the way would eventually be inevitable) would create an energy density at the collision site about equal to the energy density near a black hole.
Such an energetic event would unravell the bonds that hold matter together and would result in a shower of both particles and their anti particles.
The resultant malestrom of destruction would self-propagate through the moon at roughly 1/2 the speed of light and convert the entire mass of the moon into gamma radiation in what is in essence a Hypernova explosion.
Within 1.5 seconds the entire Earth would be exposed to a blast of radiation similar to you holding a beach ball-sized nuclear bomb at arms length over the entire surface.
Most of the other planets would also be destroyed and the outer shell of the Sun would be stripped away exposing its 20 million degree core.
Is this reason enough?"
Not too sure how any of this ties in with EG unless of course it would be applied to a spacecraft and the pilot fell asleep but then they could just as easily impact the Earth as well. We saw what two airplanes could do to two towers but airplanes are still flying.
Mikado
It was discovered by accident in 1929 and pigeon-holed because they didn't want to rewrite the physical laws and appear stupid
Mikado. I am surprised that you left that comment stand without commenting.
I have always wondered how anyone could use that particular phrase. How can you " rewrite physical laws" and be stupid....
Linda
Quote from: Linda Brown on July 11, 2012, 03:43:48 PM
It was discovered by accident in 1929 and pigeon-holed because they didn't want to rewrite the physical laws and appear stupid
Mikado. I am surprised that you left that comment stand without commenting.
I have always wondered how anyone could use that particular phrase. How can you " rewrite physical laws" and be stupid....
Linda
I left it alone for obvious reasons - it would have involved mentioning your Father which would have been the reason for you to interject.
I was wrong.
Mikado
Quote from: Mikado on July 11, 2012, 02:55:17 PM
This thread was about EG and it's dangers as started by Amaterasu.
I'll decide whether any digression after 27 pages of a thread is reasonable.
Quote from: Mikado on July 11, 2012, 02:55:17 PM
"This appears to violate the conservation of energy and mass law. This law is of course in error because we can plainly see that the universe is full of energy and matter and existence implies creation."
Not too sure about violating the "Law of the Conservation of Energy". I will reserve any comment for it is too conclusive to based upon only what it "appears".
Basically if energy from a novel propulsion system (or whatever phenomenon) involves energy from another dimension then it only breaks a law of conservation of energy if you DO NOT include said dimension as part of this universe.
I think if there are multiple dimensions/parallel universes then they are part of the universe.
The key to many of the mysteries of conventional and esoteric science lies in inter-dimensionality. Of course using it could be dangerous, but so can driving a motor car and we still do it. What we should be doing really is assessing HOW DANGEROUS this type of technology potentially is.
If the USS Eldridge is anything to go by, perhaps it is VERY dangerous. Will this stop humans using it? Did it stop them using nuclear weapons or power? No Nobel Prize to the genius who works out the answer to this one. That would be me of course. 8)
Quote from: Linda Brown on July 11, 2012, 03:43:48 PM
It was discovered by accident in 1929 and pigeon-holed because they didn't want to rewrite the physical laws and appear stupid
Mikado. I am surprised that you left that comment stand without commenting.
I have always wondered how anyone could use that particular phrase. How can you " rewrite physical laws" and be stupid....
Linda
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Quote from: Pimander on July 11, 2012, 03:49:25 PM
I'll decide whether any digression after 27 pages of a thread is reasonable.
I apologize. I was only trying to direct what my post was responding to and not to make any criticisms or critical statements about 27 pages.
Again, sorry for whatever it is I did. I seem to be doing so many things wrong on this forum.
Mikado
Thank you Pimander!
QuoteBasically if energy from a novel propulsion system (or whatever phenomenon) involves energy from another dimension then it only breaks a law of conservation of energy if you DO NOT include said dimension as part of this universe.
The key to many of the mysteries of conventional and esoteric science lies in inter-dimensionality. Of course using it could be dangerous, but so can driving a motor care and we still do it. What we should be doing really is assessing HOW DANGEROUS this type of technology potentially is.
As to that part about the black-hole collisions etc, well my reply is in there somewhere at the beginning LOL
Lets get back to 'anomalies that would suggest this tech is physically dangerous' and the evidence for it......like my remark about time-forwarding electrons which everyone seems to have missed?
Yes... important.
Morgan said that there was a "price to pay" for the use of advanced technology linked to my Dads work. I think I am beginning to understand what he meant but I need to know what you all see too...
Lets get back to 'anomalies that would suggest this tech is physically dangerous' and the evidence for it......like my remark about time-forwarding electrons which everyone seems to have missed?.
YES... can we talk about that some more? Linda
PWM. Sorry to ask and be a pain in the rump but....
Would you mind re-posting your key remarks regarding the dangers so the discussion can continue minus the mind numbing background noise?
Fine ;D
I mentioned that i read some stories to do with large lifter experiments.
It has been mentioned that after prolonged periods of use, sparks started appearing in the areas where the liters were being tested, some hours or even days after the lifter had been deactivated
(it is unclear at this time if the lifters were physically removed from the room at that point)
I have even devised a simple experiment to determine if this is true, let me see, got a diagram somewhere...
Here it is....
(edit) sorry i posted befor that last one, Pim, do you mean my remark on the original doom scenario? I thought that was mostly B.S.)
P.S.
Notice the clocks on the wall :o these should ideally be digital, counting at least 1/100 second intervals, up to 100's of hours...
Not only to time the exact arrival of the spark, but also to see if the clock keeps time with the other one mounted outside the cage...
Neon sensors will pick up the accumulating charge, & they could serve to trigger the cameras.
Great setup, Luke, seen it before, but its always a good refresher!
May I suggest adding a couple of ports for a frequency analyser, and a possible spectrum analyser as well for any non visible light anomalies?
A freq analyser will sense any sound disturbances, and pinpoint their occurence on a graph.
A camera is good, but a spec analyser will give the best observation results for any superluminal or non visible anomalies.
Something is going on there, which hasnt been pinpointed yet, and when it is, it may well be dangerous, but only in the hands of the warmakers.
Cheers!
Thanks Dave,
Yes, it would be great to add instruments all over it to measure just about everything LOL!
Non-visible light sources is a most interesting line, as regards UFO sightings.
Many have reasoned that EG or AG tech would have optical side effects.
Being invisible is one of them.... ::)
Which begs the question; Do we have 'predator' type invisible aliens running round in the jungle?
And do we have someone like Arnie Schwanzenlekker out there fighting them?
Of course, it doesn't have to be a 'lifter' in that room, it could be anything... ;)
The answer to those questions?
Do we have invisible aliens out there? Probably yes
Do we have a force out their fighting them... invisible also? Why not.... using the same technology... right...
REmember what William Moore said... Whatever they are they have the ability to alter your perception of reality.
What did he call his book.... Think it was The Philadelphia Experiment? NO
Actually it was " Project Invisibility.... The Philadelphia Experiment."
maybe its about time we start talking about optical invisibility here... we keep saying that the clues are right in front of us... and we can't see them... well... Now is the time folks. Times a wastin. Linda
Good :)
So what we need first is to establish these optical effects.
No i'm not going to dive into philadelphia files, i want something more concrete & up to date like that experiment i posted.
Ideas, anyone?
Quote from: PLAYSWITHMACHINES on July 11, 2012, 07:11:03 PM
Good :)
So what we need first is to establish these optical effects.
No i'm not going to dive into philadelphia files, i want something more concrete & up to date like that experiment i posted.
Ideas, anyone?
Infra red camera, night vision attachments,, as far as optical effects are concerned...
This would be the camera for visual effects..
http://www.pco.de/categories/scmos-cameras/pcoedge/
A good spectrum analyser....
http://www.thorlabs.com/newgrouppage9.cfm?objectgroup_id=5276
All in all about 30 grand for both..some big bucks!
For the poor man, a night vision camera or a good quality video camera could work..
Im thinking of...
sorta like ghost hunting!
Le
Well, it's not going to be that high tech around here ;D
But i do have an infrared webcam laying around (don't ask :-[)
And i have an excellent storage scope & another one coming this week.
(sorry Steve, not yours, i don't have the room for it, but thanks for the offer)
And of course, i've still got the 'sensor tree'.... :P
Quote from: PLAYSWITHMACHINES on July 11, 2012, 09:14:44 PM
Well, it's not going to be that high tech around here ;D
But i do have an infrared webcam laying around (don't ask :-[)
And i have an excellent storage scope & another one coming this week.
(sorry Steve, not yours, i don't have the room for it)
And of course, i've still got the 'sensor tree'.... :P
Hows about some photooptical sensors with spectrum specific lenses and pickups...connected to the ubiquitous laptop?
(http://www.scielo.br/img/revistas/abo/v69n2/29072f1.gif)
Much cheaper!
Le
OOOO that's neat, haven't seen those yet, drool :)
GlobalSpec (dotcom) gives me very nice sensor info..
http://www.globalspec.com/electronics (http://www.globalspec.com/electronics)
Cool 8) 8) 8)
Oooh, global spec, like a candy store for a geek! 8)
Yummy!
I see the way of finding the dangerous nature of EG and how to find its secrets are through the use of sensors and such, even though some effects might not be observable, they may have some sort of effect on the room or cage the experiment takes place in.
That alone would enable us to center on the cause of the anomalous event, even if we didnt know what it was.
Those leveling lasers could be the grail to seeing if light deviates around a lifter, like some think it does around the sun. Using a target with hashmarks on the opposing wall, we would see where the light hits after the lifter is hovering along the horizontal plane of the laser.
Still thinking sound though, as everything vibrates...thanks Mr Tesla!
I would like to launch a lifter unencumbered by short wires in a calm wind, and let it rise as high as it wants to go.
I perceive a lifter as trying to be a cloud, and it wants to relocate to where it feels balanced.
Like a cloud.
Anyone have a 5000 ft spool of 30 gauge wire?
And a hard hat and ladder?
And am I just spinning my wheels here?
I know its dangerous, but not from the electricity, and thats where I think the thread was coming from as the OP put it.
Still wouldnt want to be riding in one, that mouse was quite lucky!
Le
Please, i'm LOL'd out here ;D ;D ;D ;D
You got it in one, though 8)
Quote from: PLAYSWITHMACHINES on July 11, 2012, 07:11:03 PM
Good :)
So what we need first is to establish these optical effects.
No i'm not going to dive into philadelphia files, i want something more concrete & up to date like that experiment i posted.
Ideas, anyone?
I completely believe that the Philadelphia Experiment story as it was written was a very cleverly designed misinformation ploy to let people know that " something had happened regarding the opening of a portal".... but the rest of it was designed to lead all investigator in the wrong direction. Said that from the first and still believe it. I know that there are some of you out there who truly want to believe every word of the Philadelphia Experiment and that would be your choice. I see as Nick Cook described it..... A very carefully orchestrated disinformation campaign. I am paraphrasing there folks whenI find his book " The Hunt for Zero Point... I will quote it directly and properly. He sensed through his research that something was very wrong with the story and I have come to believe him , and have more detailed reasons to come to that conclusion.
So avoiding it for source of material is a very good idea. Linda
Quote from: Pimander on July 11, 2012, 02:22:48 PM
Detailization! LOL. That sounds like one of those Americanisations your Presidents use to me. Not actually a word but sounds clever. :o
OFFtopic: look in a grammar book of old En, ye'll see many clever stuff ::)
Quote from: PLAYSWITHMACHINES on July 11, 2012, 05:16:20 PM
Fine ;D
I mentioned that i read some stories to do with large lifter experiments.
It has been mentioned that after prolonged periods of use, sparks started appearing in the areas where the liters were being tested, some hours or even days after the lifter had been deactivated
(it is unclear at this time if the lifters were physically removed from the room at that point)
I have even devised a simple experiment to determine if this is true, let me see, got a diagram somewhere...
Here it is....
(edit) sorry i posted befor that last one, Pim, do you mean my remark on the original doom scenario? I thought that was mostly B.S.)
Hi PWM, In your attached drawing what are the conductive spheres for. And are they connected to the rebar?
Also when you mention Large lifters, can you give me an idea of size? On size meaning square feet or the amount of material used?
On prolonged usage, is this minutes or days aloft?
One more, when you turn yours off do you tie the leads together or leave them apart? Meaning is there any residual force left over?
Deuem
Hi Deuem;
a little clarification is needed here, I havn't done this experiment yet, but it will appear in the IF group soon.
The spheres are earthed, they are there to attract sparks from 'returning' electrons.
The size, i'm not sure of, anything like one of Naudin's efforts would do.
Say about 1 foot across or bigger.
The alleged effects happen after the lifter has been running for several hours at least. Myself i would like to run them 12 hours on, 24 hours off, something like that.
As for the wires, i don't know. personally, i would remove the lifter entirely for the 'off' period, & see what happens.
With my luck, i will be just putting it back in 24 hours later and....ZZZZAPP!
;D ;D
Quote from: PLAYSWITHMACHINES on July 13, 2012, 02:08:34 AM
Hi Deuem;
a little clarification is needed here, I havn't done this experiment yet, but it will appear in the IF group soon.
The spheres are earthed, they are there to attract sparks from 'returning' electrons.
The size, i'm not sure of, anything like one of Naudin's efforts would do.
Say about 1 foot across or bigger.
The alleged effects happen after the lifter has been running for several hours at least. Myself i would like to run them 12 hours on, 24 hours off, something like that.
As for the wires, i don't know. personally, i would remove the lifter entirely for the 'off' period, & see what happens.
With my luck, i will be just putting it back in 24 hours later and....ZZZZAPP!
;D ;D
Hi PWM,
No problem if you have not run this test yet. I did take it as an idea you have.
On the spheres, You mentioned earthed. That is Ok but are they attached to the rebar system or on their own. By Earthed do you mean the household ground or a copper rod pounded in the ground many feet?
I never heard of the Naudin efforts, will try and look them up.
For us, if and when we do this I won't be going after something as small as 1 foot, it has been done many times. The mouse and above is the objective. Need to keep stepping up the pace. Will be using different approach that is in planning now.
I have heard some people ground the wires or the lifter to a resistor before touching it. Have you heard this also?
12 on 12 off is a good time period. I think anything past 8 hours is ok for now. Then build up to never off.
I want to stay away from the Zap, sounds painful !
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